Liverpool Banter Archive July 29 2013

29 Jul 2013 20:36:32
Any updates on Toby Alderweireld? I used the death function, nothing been mentioned in a while. Are LFC still interested in this player. Thanks and keep up the good work 👍

Death function?
I knew you were making changes eds but that's a bit extreme.

MIKEY {Ed001's Note - had to do something to cut down on the abuse.....}

The "death" function?

29 Jul 2013 20:35:08
hi eds, I watched a few of the pre-season games, and I wasnt impressed with what I saw. this team needs 3 quality players to challenge for a top 4 spot . 1.central defender 2.a hard tackling central midfielder 3.a quality centre forward. borini and aspas need time to settle I don't think they going to make much of a difference. I wish we had another barnes and beardsley. this team is ordinary, competing with the likes of aston villa and swansea. sad state of affairs. SA RED

SA being ''skeptical person''i take it! Uglygeordiegenius

Ibe is teh new John Barnes and Coutinho is the new Beardsly.

The fact you think villa and Swansea are competing with each other shows you know nothing

It is disrespectful to group swansea with villa. Villa are relegation candidates where as swansea are a well ran club, who play good football and with a bright young manager

A sad state of affairs is you calling yourself a Liverpool fan!

Unforyunatly I have to agree. Always said that Borini is too light weight for the premiership, definatly need another quality central derfender & midfielder, still don't think Allan is the right player.

30 Jul 2013 00:45:47
Dude, if we're judging by preseason, Moyes will get utd relegated.
Give the team a chance, and wait until January before adding your opinion on what the team may or may not need, because with sturridge out, and over a month of the window left, we have only a limited idea of how the squad will look September 3rd

Alvy

Wake up and smell the coffee. if I know nothing then look at last years league table and games against the lesser sides.we don't have the quality for a top 4 challenge.optimism is one thing and reality is another. GET REAL DUDE! SA RED

It always makes me laugh when people say players are too lightweight for the Premier League:-
Coutinho
Fabregas
Silva
Mata
Modric
Aguero
I could go on.

29 Jul 2013 20:22:29
I'm a fan of Rodgers so far. His style ethic etc.
but is he just a yes man for FSG or whoever?
Not being nasty as I like the guy and not even knocking FSG. Just his quotes in the press never tie up.
Last summer we're buying players a striker. We didn't
We are not in for any defenders. Today linked with two.
Doing all ALL business early. We haven't.
Mignolet is competition for Renia. Need top cover in all places. Renias gone.
Wants to keep Suarez. We all know he's sold if bid comes in over £50mil
Assidi is a great player with a big future. Never played him can't wait to sell him
Spearing needs game time doors open should signs of improvement happen. Will be sold regardless of being player if the year.
There are others. Just seems very says one thing then the almost opposite happens. Is he just reading a script? Is he not kept in the loop? Is someone else making the decisions

Another negative no name poster - fans think they have a right to transparency - we don't - there is a game to be played in the media - which all clubs do - if you showed all your cards in a game of poker or talked through your every move, you would never win!

we tried to sign a striker last season and admittedly we got caught out

we have brought players in early - hopefully more to come before the deadline - which still has more than a MONTH to go.

There will be players that need to be moved on - but they need a place to move onto and at an acceptable (to the club - not the fans - it's not OUR money)

The current manager has created a good team shape - demanding that everyone works hard - and has good players - admittedly, we do need a bit more quality but we need players that meet this ethic. We will no doubt miss out on players - all clubs do!

No doubt after (or even during) the first game against Stoke, you'll get the usual jokers (armchair managers) that come on here slating Rodgers for his tactical naivety and thinking they could do better with no experience of managing a club!

I'm sure Mr Rodgers will have us set up ready to kick it for the season ahead

100% Red

Maybe he dosent want to say we don't want him he's makin to many mistake make teams think twice about the players time has avolved this is the way to do it properly big a player up your selling. makes them look good bring out there strenth is how to sell an item . no . or be honest when your selling your car an tell them your getting rid cause the engin isn't trustworthy . baffles me people have no clue about life how do u all survive . its a war zone out there

Why don't you sign your posts Yoda?
Han

29 Jul 2013 20:12:31
What is with all the abuse for players wanting to leave Liverpool to further their career? If a player wants to leave, we as fans need to respect their decision, thank them and wish them good luck with their futures.
Then support the next player who comes in.

Thank you Reina for your 8 years of service. I can understand why you would want to play for one of the best teams in the world. Good luck with your career and I hope one day your dream of playing for Barcelona comes true.
Welcome Simon Mignolet!

Thank you Suarez for your time at Liverpool. I respect your decision to leave and I hope you find Real Madrid's bench comfortable enough. Good luck and good bye.
Welcome Iago Aspas!

A big welcome to Kolo Toure and Luis Alberto too!

Red Rum

The players that leave have my utmost respect if, before they leave, they don't make themselves out to be bigger than the club and, after they leave, they don't talk rubbish about how LFC is a great backup choice if their first choice had come off.

So, good luck to Shelvey and Carroll, both of whom never said anything bad about the club as far as I can recall.

Want to leave, leave and shut ya gob if they can't do that then don't expect the fans to!

I'd agree but I do think BR has called Reinas bluff on this transfer. I can see where some fans are coming from.

Well said

Agree.

What's the point in talking about a player who has already left.

As you say you cannot blame a player in wanting to better his career. With the window so far for us it doesn't look like we are going places fast and a players career is short.

Suarez at Arsenal will have CL football, more than we can offer.

We are only able to purchase young unproven players on lower wage/signing fees it's not going to make Suarez think we are improving the squad.

BR is doing the best he can I'm sure of that with the little support we've had. With what Reina said shows how tough a position he's in under the owners

Agreed. Although some 'moves' do leave a bitter aftertaste.

I don't think anyone begrudges players leaving to further their career, but isn't it more a case of fans taking a dislike to how they go about it.

I don't blame Suarez for wanting to play Champions League in the same way I respect Reina's dream is to play for Barca, but why do they have to shoot their mouth off in the press every 5 minutes? That's the problem.

Bale may move to Madrid, but has he come out and said anything disrespectful about Spurs?

Raoul

Please don't compare Carroll to Reina. Reina was a professional football player - regardless of his Barcelona ambition - who served LFC for 8 years. The other "player" was anything but.

How was Carroll anything but a professional? He didn't complain when Rodgers wanted him out, he even offered to fight for his place. It's not his fault he got shipped out. I'm not having a go at Rodgers either because he's bot my cup of tea either. That's not to say I don't value his commitment. Reina however, great servant but if you want a move to Barcelona, then you have to go.

CC

29 Jul 2013 20:08:01
I'm off to marmiris Friday, seen they got a anfield bar, anyone been there? Will they show stevies game sat? Good place to watch the game or is there better sports bars? Any info will be appriciated - kinderfish

Ive been there if you put your Liverpool kit on you get half price drinks while the game is on

They will def show the game and also the united bar is next door so there is plenty of banter, been a couple of times and the craic is great.

gee man

Yep I been there! It was fantastic! I was there when we had a champions league qualifier game on. It was packed with Liverpool fans and the atmosphere was great. We sat out doors watching it in the big screen. I was impressed with how well it was decorated & was recording videos inside and out haha. Enjoy your holiday pal.

Alsky

They will show the game if it is on lfc tv or on a free to view channel. great bar but get in early.

Been there many times mate. it's sandwhiched between and everton and Manchester United bar. good little sports square. bound to have the game on. gets packed on matchday, they play Liverpool songs for about 2 hours before kick off. Quality

Been there last year when the Euro's were on and nearly every bar showed the game on at the time there. So you will probably find another bar with it on anyway. Only problem is the time difference. Have a great holiday and I'm also going back next week.

29 Jul 2013 19:53:28
what a devastating piece of news, RIP christian benitez, devastating, let's just wish the best for his family and friends.

ynwa christian

Well said.

Well said la, don't matter the colour of your shirt at times like this. Thoughts with his family

Waltonred

29 Jul 2013 19:47:49
Liverpool are believed to hold an interest in Portuguese midfielder Paulo Machado, who currently plies his trade in Greece with Olympiacos.

According to Portuguese website, the Reds are looking closely at the 27-year-old as a possible summer reinforcement, having been impressed with his debut campaign at the Greek champions.

No thanks, we have far too many average players already.

29 Jul 2013 19:19:57
Right, Reina, I hope none of you are being fooled by his apparently sincere letter. He wanted to leave to go to Barcelona, which is fair enough, he told the club and they took fully understandable measures to ensure he was replaced, moving quickly to secure our top gk target. Then Reina's mive doesn't come off, in his opinion he's ready for another season. So what, we wait until he wants to leave and then get left in the lurch because someone else signed our target? No, we moved promptly and correctly. Then we couldn't afford to pay two world class keepers to play one role, so, sinse Reina is the one who wants out and Mignolet is the long term future, bed Mignolet in and get the defense used to their long term partner and let Reina go on loan to see out this year before his move to Barcelona. We couldn't afford for Reina to sit on the bench nor would it make sense delaying the unstable period of switching gk. I think thr club did everytuing correct but should have communicated their reasons to Reina, his time with us deserves honesty.

Eds I know this ain't a rumour but can you post it in rumours just so the lads/ladys can agree/disagree and reply so on, your opinion would also be greatly appreciated.

Anfild Andy

Great post

gee man

Totally agree Andy. Rogers could not hang around waiting to see if the Barcelona move came about. Thanks Pepe you have been great but now you want to leave its time for the team to evolve and for you to move on.

Livern01

29 Jul 2013 19:00:54
Good luck Pepe mate, sorry it didn't work out wish you good luck for the season .

Not sure what all the fuss is about, Pepe probably did want to stay but, by showing he would move t the right club( barca) he also weakened his hand . We have a good replacement and more money to strengthen the squad .

BR can't please everybody, I am glad that we have a manager who will make some bold decisions rather than panda to the senior players & fickle fans .BR has been slagged from some the whole time, he has made mistakes but he has also cut the wage bill, signed 2 of the best young players in the prem sturridge, coutinho and installed a style of play that we can produce on a more consistent basis.

FSG are moving the club well away from the financial cliff we were on and we now look to be building for a champions league challenge .

BR has gone on record saying he is looking to bring in some 1st 11 quality players, let's give him a chance .

keep the faith its not all bad lads!

Kobi

29 Jul 2013 18:47:24
If I told my gf that I loved her with all my heart but I would leave her if I got the nod from Nicole Scherzinger should I be surprised if she looked for her George Clooney?

Pepe - your honesty left you open. Nobody wants to hear they are second choice. Truth hurts regardless of your intentions.

Nicole - if you're reading this you're still number one. Just don't let the gf know.

Gidgo

Stay away from me bird lad

mayhem 1981

Haha Funny that gave me the giggles!

This was refreshing to read. made me laugh amongst all the doom and gloom on here

29 Jul 2013 18:30:51
Hi Ed,
Hearing talk of Coates to Fulham a lot down this End,
also wisdom going there on Loan? (could be Pony)

Also is it just me but with all the outgoings (Carrol etc)

there does not seem to be actually much money spent? I know there a few weeks to go yet in the window, but can I just say one thing to FSG


GET SPENDING!!!!

Where about in Staines fella?
I'm 'west-side' in Egham.

29 Jul 2013 18:11:07
Reina has been a loyal servant for LFC for many years, he could have left many times and who could blame him with the sort of players we were buying and how we had dropped from being a feared team in Europe to become a feared team in the lowest part of the premiership. Yes he may have wanted to go to Barcelona but I bet nearly every player in the club has one dream team that their heads will be turned for. If we are still struggling to get into the top four the likes of Courtinho, Aspas etc will all want to jump ship and play for top teams in Europe. Not many players stay at one club for the years Reina has so let's not disrespect him (like some supporters and club have) and just thank him for his loyal service through some of our the darkest recent years. Also yes he has made some blunders but if you look at the matches in the last couple of years you will find nearly every player have made plenty of blunders which has cost us games, Gerrard included. Thanks Pepe for your service from all true supporters. MrT

He stayed at Liverpool because they paid him 110000 per weak.

If he had got the move he wanted when he wanted it 2 years ago we would of been in a right mess. Finally club 1 player 0

29 Jul 2013 17:27:59
It iis better for Reina if he goes. It's World Cup soon and he needs to be playing regular competitive matches. He is not going to get them at Liverpool - the future is Mignolet, and we can't afford to have Reina sat on the bench and he can't afford to be sat there.

29 Jul 2013 15:38:54
Hi Eds!
Just wondering, do you know anything about the whereabouts of Jerome Sinclair? Was he included in the pre-season tour? Did he play? I have'nt had the opportunity to watch any of the games. Do you reckon he will be given some minutes on the pitch the comming season?

Ole, Norway {Ed001's Note - I don't think he was old enough to travel mate.}

He's been injured. Just got the all clear to resume training yesterday I believe

Unlikely he will play for the first team just yet - reckon BR only played him so he could say he picked the youngest ever player! Only just Academy age (he was in the 15-16 age bracket last season!) but expect him to be a regular in the U21 team this season rather than U18 as he is another in the Ibe mould. If he keeps his head down he'll make it, and with Sterling, Wisdom and Ibe setting the example he has a great chance. Great to have youngsters with such a fantastic work ethic. Shelvey should've taken notice!

-Nibbits

29 Jul 2013 16:31:41
pepe reina really needs to get over himself!

Agreed if he wanted to stay that much he could have took a pay cut.

MIKEY

29 Jul 2013 16:26:55
"Think it's about time Rodgers got the backing of everyone.
He is our manager, and we are Liverpool F.C.
We are not where we want to be right now, but Rodgers didn't put us there, did he?!
Neither did FSG.
They are both trying to put things right now, so for all those moaners, think a little."

Saw this in the middle of a post made late last night/early this morning, and couldn't agree more.

His initial point wasn't centred around this idea, but thought I'd copy and paste and hopefully keep the doom-mongers away, and the optimists happy!

Positivity is a very under-rated tool.

Who is against Rodgers? Didn't see any post against Rodgers. It is mostly against FSG and some players.
People have nothing to write anymore and are writing non stories.
Rodgers is top manager, I don't want anyone else at the moment.
The only issue I have is that the team is one star player far from the 4th position and it seems the owners don't get this.

You back who you want to.

Seriously?
Do you come on here much?

Moaning about everything and anything, but most recently he's getting a good bit of stick from the usual blerts regarding the handling of Pepe's situation.

Agreed mate; stick with Rodgers and we won't go far wrong.

29 Jul 2013 15:39:27
I think we can all agree that Mignolet and Jones will be our goalkeepers next season.

Our back four will no doubt remain; Johnson, Toure, Agger and Enrique, with Skrtel, Kelly and Wisdom providing the back up. Cissokho could also join on loan as cover for Enrique.

Our Midfield duo will be Gerrard and Lucas with Henderson and Allen as competition/cover. However, a defensive midfielder as cover for Lucas is needed because as we know we tend to struggle when Lucas doesn't play. Morgan Schneiderlin of Southampton would be a good option and will be available following the arrival of Victor Wanyama.

We need 2 wide players to go straight into the first team. Hatem Ben Arfa and Cristian Tello would be excellent acquisitions as they would both be available for around £20m in total. Sterling and Ibe will provide cover and competition for the wide positions. Downing is a player on very high wages and I would expect Liverpool to be looking to move him on.

Coutinho will be our central attacking midfielder and Alberto will provide cover for him.

Our strike force will be Sturridge, Aspas, and a replacement for Suarez. Borini could do with a loan move as I do not feel he is ready for the first team YET.
Strong Rumours suggest that Roberto Soldado could replace Luis Suarez should Spurs not act quickly to secure his services.

What do you think?

Red Rum

Agree with most, however were short on strikers as it is so no way will we let Borini go out on loan, if anything it will be a sale as he is very highly rated in Italy, Schneiderlin would be a decent back up as he was good last season and will be made available due to Wanyama joining, I doubt Soldado will replace Suarez, I think we will use the money and buy wingers x2, attacking mid and cf. Ben Arfa is good on his day but far too injury prone and Tello will stay at Barcelona, we need 2 world class wingers in the mold of Bernard, Sanchez, Turan, Diego Costa, Muriel etc

If our 1st eleven is Johnson and Enrique at fullback, and lucas and gerrard in the middle god help us, Johnson Enrique and lucas aren't fit to wear the jersey, kelly at right back cissokho at left back at least would improve us defensively,

majestic69

I'm hearing soldado's deal to spurs is basically done!

I worry about Soldado. I don't think he is the answer for me. Reminds me of Morientes to be honest.
Great goal record in Spain playing against some carp defenses.
He has a severe lack of pace and with no sell on value for a 28mil purchase.
Bad move in my opinion.
Say what you want about Carroll but we were able to recoup more than half of his fee through loan fees and an eventual sale.
If he comes then I will support him 100% but if I was the manager he would not be considered.
But then again if I was the manager we would not be finishing 7th either. More like 17th! No messin

Majestic, I respect everybody's right to an opinion, but I can't believe you think Lucas isn't fit to wear the jersey. In his position he's one of the best in the world.

Andy H

Hes mediocre, don't think its a coincidence since he's been 1st choice we have been mediocre too,

majestic69

I agree with you jonnybarnes. Carrolls fee was obviously over inflated but the way the club recouped half the fee was very smart. Especially loaning him to Allardyce where they knew he'd do well.

Well I wouldn't say one of the best in the world! Maybe one of the best in the prem

29 Jul 2013 15:13:56
Wow!
Very sad!
RIP Christian Benitez

Indeed, terrible tragedy. RIP

29 Jul 2013 14:42:38
hey eds could you clear something up for me.
Just going to use gerrard as an example, - his contract runs until 2015 ye? But let's say he (or anyone else) wanted to retire early, in let's say 2014, how does that work?
Is he allowed do it? Does he have to pay the club? Does the club pay him? what's the situation?

Jak {Ed002's Note - The club would let him retire but retain his registration.}

29 Jul 2013 14:18:01
Just heard llori will now cost 10 million or more! I can't see us paying that for a back up defender therefore I think the medicals booked in for this week are Alderweireld who will only cost 6.8! And Melgarejo or Cissokho on loan, I still expect Papa to come in once Skertel leaves which will leave us with 4 defenders Agger, Papa, Alderweireld and Toure 2 brilliant pairings! Which will allow us to finally play a high line and pressing high too! Cheers PDLFC

29 Jul 2013 14:16:26
Not that he'll ever read this but Reina, pull the other one mate!

"I wanted to stay". yeah right fella!

That's why you've been flirting with Barca over the last few months.

What? You expect Rodgers to just hang around and wait for Barca then be left up s**t street with no first choice keeper?

Liverpool Football Club does not go on hold for anyone, not even you Mr Reina.

Thanks for your loyalty over the years Pepe, especially when others couldn't wait to jump ship.

But please don't disrespect us anymore than you already have sunshine. tata!

Spot on, perfect post.

Here here! (Waves hanky).

The A man.

29 Jul 2013 14:04:53
Arsenal will put a third and FINAL bid of £42m plus add-ons up to £47.5m.

This will be put in by Tuesday evening.

Rumour has it that Suarez's agent has discussed with Arsenal regarding wages (£150k p/week) on a 4 year contract.

The 2nd Arsenal bid of £40m +£1 DID activate a clause in Suarez's contract as it was over £40m from a CL league club. However, Liverpool have rejected it claiming that Arsenal will only be a "proper CL team" once they have come through their play off games. Suarez's team of advisors are unhappy as they see this as a breach of contract.

Arsenal can either play the waiting game and hope Madrid don't come in and snatch Suarez or, as the rumour suggest, they can offer nearer Liverpool's valuation and get a deal done BEFORE the play off games.

We will know where this saga is heading by Friday THIS WEEK!

Wednesday matey, BR has stated it has to be sorted either way for the 31st.

Piddy.

Unless LFC are pretty sure of credible interest in Suarez from others, I'd take a hypothetical 42M plus add-ons from Arsenal personally.

We all know that the clause relates to being able to "shoot the breeze" with Suarez and nothing else. If there was a release clause then surely Arsenal would have activated it and he would be off?
The clause your'e thinking of is "SANTA CLAUSE" (ED, touch me fella. I am on fire tonight la!)
I do have a question related to this though Ed's. Why can't Arsenal be done for tapping up? How do they know about the exact figure which allows them to talk to Suarez? We have not given them permission to talk so if Suarez's agent has indeed discussed the clause with Arsenal then surely that amounts to an illegal approach? Thanks.

Arsenal should be like anybody else in this country and save their pennies up in a piggybank until they have enough(£50 mill) then splash the cash!

29 Jul 2013 15:05:39
Not Liverpool related but,
RIP Christian 'Chucho' Benitez.

Saw him play few time its so sad what a waste only 27 years old RIP mate YNWA

29 Jul 2013 15:01:06
Suarez is going to put himself in a very difficult position, he is now a RM back up option to Bale which is looking more likely to happen(potentially great deal for spurs), Madrid apparently said this to his agent leaving Arsenal the only club offering a bid which will be rejected over and over again by Liverpool as they won't sell to a direct rival, and with Suarez rumoured to be waiting to see if Arsenal get into the CL group stage proper it looks like this saga won't end till the transfer window has shut. Should be interesting to see if he plays a part in Gerard's testimonial and sees what loyalty really is.

Have you not listened to anything the Eds have said? RM want both players, not one or the other, and they have the finances to pull it off as well. {Ed002's Note - There is a secondary complication surrounding another player who Real Madrid would like to hang on to but will only do so on their terms. Right now the focus is Bale - then we will see what happens. I understand they are not keen to pay too much for Suarez either. However, there is more than a month to go remember.}

I know Liverpool do not want to sell to Arsenal but of their bid gets to 45+ with add-ons then I would prefer LFC to do the deal rather than lose Arsenal as a bidder and have RM playing tricks until late in the window and trying to get Suarez for 35m.

Kidder

29 Jul 2013 13:57:55

I notice a lot of people have responded negatively towards the thought of signing Michu. I really don't know why! He is very similar to Mkhitaryan (fast, good finisher, right place at the right time etc). It is obviously that ype of player Rodgers is after. A versatile attacking midfielder who will add 15 or so goals a season. Michu has proven he can do that 2 years on the spin now (17 in La Liga and 15 in the Prem). what's the problem there? Yes, I understand that he dropped off in the second half of the season. But he is very much a player who can only shine in a team playing well. If the team is getting the ball into dangerous areas and creating chances, he will crop up to put them away. His link up play is good also. However, he is not the Suarez/Coutinho like magician who will fashion a chance from nothing. He will however make the difficult finishes look effortless. To do this though, he needs service (something Swansea failed to give him in the second half of the season). He ca
n play anywhere across the front 3, or even in the number 10 hole. At 27 he is coming into his prime, whilst offering vast experience. He is worth about £15-20m. Tbh, he was worth £12-13m last summer when Swansea picked him up for a pint of lager and a pack of flakeys! He would be an excellent buy, proven in the league, and this style of play. One thing I have noticed this pre season is that Sterling and Ibe have been constently (more so Ibe) hitting the byline, getting their head up to cut it back to the edge of the box, and having nobody there to pass it too. We lack that 'ghost' who will just show up on the edge to smash it home (Gerrard just cannot do it for 90 minutes anymore). Michu would flourish in our team.

Another key point worth picking up on is the amount of people worried we will lose Coutinho! Bloody hell, we only siggned him 6 months ago! If he is blinding next season, and turns out to be the best in the league, yes he may leave for Barca etc. But we will get 50, 60 hell maybe even 80 big fat Millions for him! Then we can invest that back into the team, and sign another load of Coutinhos, till eventually, we are established enough in our own right, to hold on to those players. But seriously, sitting here hoping Coutinho doesn't do too good in case we lose him, is beyond stupid! I want him to do his absolute best. If he hits 20 goals and 20 assists next year, cool. We'll probably land CL footy, and he will have increased his value by about £50-70m in 18 months at the club! Its a business game now. Its lovely to think loyalty exists and that Coutinho might stay till he's 30. But odds are, that won't happen. English players tend to be the ones who stick around for the long haul
(and we sure as hell aren't lacking young English talent!).

Keep your heads up lads, and look forward to next season. Especially don't write off class players like Michu, just because they are not being signed from Bayern Munich. When we signed Sturridge he had about 20 goals in 100 games I think. Then he went and scored 11 in 15. If Rodgers rates Michu, he knows best.

There is no substance to this Michu rumour so there is no point in wasting time and effort over such sheer speculation. Get a life!

29 Jul 2013 16:20:50
Agreed 100% mate, great post

Totally agree with you.
I would not sign him now though as the price will be too much.
Like you said. We should be looking at this type of player before a move to the prem or before they are on the radar so to speak.

Michu is not quick and whilst he us a good finisher, I don't think he's what we're after.

30 Jul 2013 02:01:17
One point you have missed within your rant, he isn't for sale!

29 Jul 2013 14:02:34
Harry Scousser

Pepe Reina wanted to go the summer Rafa left. Arsenal offered £20 million and Reina told LFC that he wants to go to Arsenal. LFC refused the offer and "made" Reina stay. He has never been consistent again.

Stop turning everything into a negative argument. You are a hypocrite, why dont' you say the same with Suarez?

The real AG

29 Jul 2013 15:02:18
The Real AG.
Dude. I just posted a quote from the press here, The assumptions was just based on the Quote.
Reina wanted to Go to barcelona, same as Suarez wants Real,
Reina would have stayed with Liverpool If Barca didn't come up
How on earth you accused me of being a Hypocrate?. Who are you then?
This Is Insane.So people here needs to satisfy you and your opinion before posting it.
And hows that a Negative coment?

29 Jul 2013 15:14:32
So was Gerrard flirting to go to chelsea, then why the club kept him and didn't treat him lilke Reina, let's be honest here it was totaly shame the way club treated Reina, and people talk about loyalty ha ha!

Belter post mate!

Ok was reina been loyal flirting with barca what if we waited and lost out on mig's and he left then besides mig's is better now than reina flapping dropping shots running ove goal get over it

Reina made it clear he would go if Barcelona cam for him. There was a very good chance they would have keeping in mind Valdes said a while back he will be leaving.

What were LFC supposed to do? Wait for Reina? We did what was in our best interest, that is buy a good replacement so if/when Barca came, we wouldn't be caught with our pants down. This is exactly what happened last summer when we loaned out Carroll and couldn't get Dempsey in. Would you have taken that chance? Knowing you from your post here, I wouldn't put it past you do it such a stupid thing.

Nobody needs to satisfy me. What is all this crap?

You are negative because you are only looking at it from Reina's perspective, and concentrating only on what he said, not what LFC have done, that is get in a replacement early.

Or did you want Reina to sit on the bench, earning his 100K a week, not playing a game whole season and eventually being NOT picked for the World Cup, thereby dropping his value further? Again, knowing you, I wouldn't put it past you to do such a thing if you were making the decision.

You have nothing whatsoever to contribute except picking up on every little detail and making them sound as a problem created by LFC, the club you claim you support.

You were moaning about Aspas when he signed, why didn't I see a single post from you pointing out that he has 3 goals and 2 assists in under 180 mins of football, albeit friendly games.

You did the same with Coutinho and Sturridge when they were bought in. You moaned we were bringing in failures from other clubs.

The real AG

Reina has wanted out for 3 seasons now, he got his wish this time and now

Atleast he won't be moping around the goal anymore with a glum face because we didn't hire rafa

Gerrard did flirt with Chelsea but the difference is that when he decided to stay he did not play "shabite" (davey bootle:) like Reina did.

29 Jul 2013 13:47:40
Got to say I love Rodgers and all but I'm really disappointed how Reina has been treated, if what he is saying is true, disappointed with the club.

Jlk

It isn't ideal but if reina said that he would consider barca to rodgers if an offer was made then what was he (rodgers) supposed to do. Reina had a good career at Liverpool but everyone here could see that he has declined in the last 2 seasons. Napoli is a good move for him.
derryred

But not disappointed with Reina for telling the club he wanted to leave - hence the purchase of Mignolet.

Totally disagree if you have a player publically saying he wants to play for another team then he is showing no loyalty. Pepe's heart just ain't in it and is always dreaming of his barca move. If he is so great why didn't barca buy him? Good move all round and get shot of suarez next.

Im a big fan of Reina but the simple fact is that for 2-3 years he has flirted with the likes of Barca. We can't just wait until he's gone, we had to plan and move forward. In addition for a GK he earns an extraordinary amount of money, and whilst still a very good keeper his form had dipped. It made sense to move forward, as difficult a decision as it may be.

Richards

29 Jul 2013 14:53:13
And people keep on talking about Loyalty, this is how we treat a player who has serve us for 8 years, what a shame

That stuff has nothing to do with Rodgers. It's our owners they wanted pepe of the wage bill, think it saves them 5.5m this year. We've gotten rid of 100k a week an bort in 40k with mignolet. It's good business by the owners. Pep is past it u can already tell mignolet is Ina a differnt class

If you said to your Mrs, "look darling, I love you and everything, but if a hotter girl comes along then i'd like to leave you" what do you think she would do - kick you out and find a bloke who appreciates her?

Made his bed now lie in it. hasn't been great for over 3 seasons anyway!

Danski

So when Suarez leaves would you believe an outlandish open letter where he says he was forced out?

Reina wanted to leave, we bought a younger hungrier player and put Reina in his place.

Why because he wanted to leave we replaced him then he never got his move so we've to pay his wages to sit on the bench

Well i'm dissapointed that he saw us as second choice

Well done to the club for making tough decisions and showing leadership

So what's the difference in Reina talking about playing for other teams and Saurez doing the same? BR is very two faced you can't have one rule for one but not the other. MK

Love Pepe but time to move on.

He loved the club so much he allowed himself to get more than a stone overweight at the start of last season. For a professional footballer on 110k a week that's disgraceful and disrespectful to the people who pay his wages - us. No surprise he gifted 4 or 5 goals while in his Elvis state.

Danski, You could say that Saurez is saying the same thing, but I don't see Rodgers kicking him to the curb in fact he's accepting it and inviting more disrespect in the hope that Saurez changes.

No the Suarez situation is different he's a huge asset to the club i'm sure BR doesn't like his attitude but for the sake of the club he has to put up with it because he's our star player don't compare Reina to Suarez they're completely different and the only reason we can't kick Suarez to the curb like Reina is because we want the right amount of money before we do so.

29 Jul 2013 13:27:11
Good letter from Reina this morning, a big fan of his and more than anything his character I'm sure will be missed. And in a way I liked the part where he wasn't happy about not be informed etc. for me it shows we probably made the right call there and it seems its just naturally ended on a sour note, unfortunately.

Whether we should have told him we were accepting a bid, or not told him, is an interesting debate. However if you strip back claims of loyalty he has shown and other favourable personal qualities, this was very much about swiftly ending a situation without it dragging on I believe.

If we had informed Pepe 'we have a loan offer from Napoli, what do you think? your decision. ', this would give the player and his agent the power to court other clubs which Reina may prefer over Napoli, as his next best option if he can't get Barcelona. How long could this take? He initially wanted to leave this summer, and now we would have to wait for him to find a club that suits him at this time, or if not, he'll gladly 'fight for his place', knowing what he's been looking for and standing idly by.

It's interesting how Rodgers has told the story of how he took Pepe out to dinner last month, and told him he wanted to bring in another GK for competition. I'm sure much more than that was said at the dinner, (no manager will just name drop 'Barcelona' when speaking to the media). But I think Rodgers will feel generally sad about how the situation ended, even though he has explained (off the record) the very valid reasons for why he couldn't keep Pepe around.

Now the fact is the player is under contract for us, and we knew that there was a higher chance of a negative situation arising through informing the player of the offer. When Napoli's offer came in, knowing that he originally wanted to leave, and the dangerous game of putting the player's future in his hands and all that power, the decision was made by the club, 100% the correct decision.

This was in no way a pushed out the back-door job. Carroll's loan move and sale definitely was back-door (for good reasons), but not Pep's. I'm not going to let player power tarnish the legacy of a good player, he'll be sorely missed. Whilst Reina isn't too happy now, the bottom line is that everything has been handled in the best way possible for LFC. RC

I think this demonstrates strong management. Even though I love Pepe we have to realise he has been flirting with Barcelona for the past two seasons and he would have been off like a shot if they wanted him. Rodgers clearly wants players who will fight for the LFC cause and not put up with anybody who has an eye on another club.

Excellent post.
ND

Truth is Reina could have said said 'no' to the loan deal. Napoli asked, Liverpool thought it was good for both parties, agreed terms, asked Reina what he thought and he said yes.

Love Reina, good guy but think he probably feels sore that he has genuine competition for his place. No big deal what he's said. Wish him and his family all the best!

Great post RC you clearly have a bit of kop on, hopefully everyone takes a moment to read this before slating rodgers for his treatment of the player.
derryred

Stu69 has just put it in a nutshell for me . good luck to pepe

In that case Rodgers should have gotten rid of Suarez last summer.

So - I want to leave LFC for Barca, I will if they come in for me but I'll negotiate a new contract if I don't get the move I want - yeah, sure.

Thanks for the great years Pepe, you were an excellent player for LFC for years. Hope you have rejuvenated success at your next club, I'm pulling for you, but Don't let the door hit you on the way out, LFC first.

SpudRed

Fantastic post RC.

As much as we all love PR, he's gone out on loan and we need to focus on getting the best out of Mignolet.

As much as it would be desirable to play for Barcelona, PR already passed a wrong message out to BR. What do we expect, that a manager would sit and keep his hands folded, waiting and praying that no bid comes. That would amount to the same issue with Clint Dempsey some seasons ago.

All in all, I think this demonstrates BR's level of management. We all make mistakes but I think on the PR issue, it was well-handled; never mind the press and the lopsided way of reporting things (Do we all remember the Henrikh to sign Liverpool FC 'by Monday' confirmation?)

Cheers,
O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

29 Jul 2013 13:21:47
Alfre� Finnbogason any interest in this player
Heard him mentioned a couple of times {Ed019's Note - Not that I know}

Signing for Celtic as far as I know

29 Jul 2013 13:13:29
Just heard suarez is waiting till august to find out if arsenal are actually in the champions league before handing in a transfer request, the qualifiers are harder than they use to be so it not certain arsenal will be there. its not a definate just what I've heard but it sounds logical

29 Jul 2013 13:11:38
I think one of the main problems over the years has been a lack of quality wingers. In my opinion it couldve been solved by getting Arda Turan when he was at Galatasary. If i'm not mistaken he's a Liverpool fan and wasnt King Kenny a huge fan? I'd imagine he'd be more expensive now and he's not getting any younger. Would love to see him in a Liverpool shirt though!

Agreed. would have loved him to come here after Galatasaray. even now he'd be awesome. quality player!

Danski

29 Jul 2013 13:05:11
The way we have handled Reina is exactly how we should have dealt with Suarez last summer, after he was batting his eyelids at clubs in Italy.

Now we are paying for it with this ongoing circus.

And I could care less about his "thirty goals' or how "special" he is. What good, exactly, did it do us? We could play a striker from the Championship up top and probably still finish seventh.

Anyway, good to see the club are learning lessons.

29 Jul 2013 12:47:28
This season could 2 ways, bale goes to Madrid and we keep Suarez, he is dedicated to the club for a year and we add 2 quality players and we get 4th spot orrrrrr bale stays at spurs and we sell Suarez to arsenal. We replace Suarez with 2 average la liga players at best and we finish in the lowest position in the premier league ever. Because if the gunners sign our best player we are screwed!

Can't argue with that now eds can you?

Do you think we were trying to sign Micky to play alongside Suarez?

Cheers

Red said fred

Wow - only 2 ways, let's try a few others - Bale stays and has a bad season, he is most certainly not a Ronaldo or a Suarez.
Saurez stays and scores another 20 odd league goals, Sturridge throws in the same, with Coutinho getting double figures, and then there is always a chance Aspas and Alberto are successes.
Arsenal don't manage to get another striker - they've been knocked back by Higuain, and hopefully Suarez.
United's full potential is realised and they finish where the quality of their squad merits.

U r making us look like aston villa.

It doesn't matt ers if suarez stays or not.
Only thing is we can't sell him to arsenal or spurs.
Instead if madrid or any italian club trigers 40miln. Or even 20miln+player. Then we could surely add more creativity and goals.
Peaple making so much abt losing 30 goal strik er are fergeting sturidge.
I think struridge and aspas can get
around 35-40 goals and add another 20 from coutinho+gerrard+hendo and rest. We cam easyly cros the 60+ goals mark.

Last season spurs scored 12 goals less
than us but finished 11 pts above us.

It the Gk, Cb and a DM that is needed. And
am taking abt upgrade in these department. not like go and get the most expensive star. Decent upgrades plus a world class CAM. Erickson. and we surely get in the top 4 mix.

Spurs will finish above Arsenal this season with or without Bale, Suarez would not be enough to keep Arsenal 4th as they are also missing a reliable GK and a commanding CB. Spurs on the other hand need need a LB, RW & a ST but if Bale goes they will be offered Coentrao for LB, Di Maria for RW and are in advanced talks with Soldado for ST with £23.5m change from the GB sale on top. We should only accept straight cash for LS from anybody but Arsenal as they will be a rival again this season.
Scouse-Pride

I could argue that all day long

Just think it's mad that even if Bale did go to Madrid AND Luis went to Arsenal, how it'd still massively impact us?

Surely, we'd sign someone too? So, would you like 2 predict their possible success/failure at us aswell?

This original post is just pointless, as it's so hypothetical.

You could prove to be right, yeah, but you can't hang around waiting and thinking about all the 'options' (all 2 that is!)

Just play the cards life deals you!

I can argue with that with so many ways that its not worth typing them all. It's also not worth it because persons like you don't want to here the other side of the argument. You simply San something to complain about whilst rubbing on your crystal balls talking about a prospective mythical future like its already happened.

SpudRed

29 Jul 2013 12:34:45
Hi Eds is there much truth to what Pepe has come out and said about the club agreeing his loan deal behind his back? If this is true, its bit unfair on a player who unlike Suarez "currently" has shown some loyalty to the club. {Ed019's Note - He wanted a move to Barcelona}

A club makes a bid. The player is then informed of said bid.
Aren't all transfer requests done behind a players back until the player is told?

29 Jul 2013 12:31:53
i think that all this Reina stuff just goes to show we are no longer the weak Liverpool that we have been in the past 5 years, our owners and manager are quite clearly making massive steps in the right direction toward us being a club that can be ruthless when needed. As far as Reina is concerned I think openly admitting his desires to play for Barca have backfired and he shouldn't then blame anyone but himself, having said that I still think he was and is a Liverpool legend, I just think this shows us who is in control at our club and that's the way it should be. I am still shocked that our owners still get stick as apart from saving the club, which on its own should be enough, they have put money in to transfers, lowered the wage bill, making progress in terms of the stadium and brought in a manager for the long run and they obviously have very good business minds so good luck to them, good luck to Reina and to all our new signings this season

29 Jul 2013 12:21:48
Just read this on the Arsenal rumours page. interesting I thought, judge for yourself chaps:

El pais this morning guys, wenger won't pay what Liverpool want and Rodgers won't budge, Real are rubbing there hands together, they have money put aside for bale, and they also have higuain cash for suarez, it is believed that it will be cash plus benezima, hard to translate but this is the jist, was in a bar yest in Getafe, the hombres were saying they hold Liverpool in there hearts in spain that's why they mangage to get players like ispas who real sniffed around at the start of this window, they state he's class and will out gun most of the prem strikers, anyway don't shoot the messenger

29 Jul 2013 11:48:15
boot room blarney-hi eds and and fellow reds, firstly what's your take on luis Alberto, does anyone know what's happening with samid yesil, I believe we will get top 5 with team we have now with suarez, if we get a couple more additions eg lb and dm and replace suarez with someone of quality I believe we will cross the line and make top 4 as the TEAM will have a better harmony, a great start so far I hope we carry this through. {Ed019's Note - Luis Alberto is a good player to have at the club, and Yesil is a brilliant prospect for the future}

29 Jul 2013 11:11:19
LFC should not have to tolerate this rubbish from Reina.
He's gone because he told Liverpool that we would leave if Barcelona came in for him. BR got in a better goalie and when he realised that Barcelona didn't want him, he got stuffed.
He played with matches and got burned. Got greedy and lost.
You don't treat LFT this way and he has lerarned as sad lesson.
If I said to my wife, "I'll stay with you longer, but if EVa Mendes asks me to go off with her, I'll consider it" then I suspect I too, like poor Pepe would regret my premature comments when nothing happened.
Good bye. you were good, but not great. you showed a lack of loyalty so you got shipped off.

Dr Red

Love the Wife comment chap classic that!

'You were good, but not great'- a nice way to describe arguably the best goalkeeper the club has ever seem. Oh, and you complain about a lack of 'loyalty'? So how is sticking with a club in 7/8th place whilst you have been one of the best goalies in the world not loyal? Pepe is a LEGEND. Grow up.

RedKopite

Calm down, mate. Just let him say what he has to say, let him go on his way and thank him for his services. He appears to be a likeable bloke and we had some great times with him.

Andy K

Spot on lad; sick to death of people thinking he's a legend and 'Mr. Loyal'.

It's just not true, like when his head was turned with Arsenal.

'N let's be honest, he's been shocking for the best part of 3 seasons anyway.

Exactly flirting can get you dumped

Incredibly harsh he was great but his performance have worsened. There is still a high level of respect for him.

29 Jul 2013 12:59:40
I agree. Its a shame it has come to this, but If Reina had focused on his game, rather than flirting with Barcelona, he'd probably still be an LFC player, and probably vice captain. However, like you said; the guy played with fire, and got burned. We have shipped out an under performing, high earning player who had one eye on his dream, and only one on the ball flying into his top right corner. I like Reina, I really do. And I don't blame him for wanting to move to Barca. Its his dream club, and he wants to get into the National side. But they weren't interested, and we've got rid by whatever means necessary, and replaced him with a better keeper. I genuinely wish him good luck, and hope he enjoys the next 8-9 years of his career. But he has no right to complain after spending 24 months telling everyone how bad we are becoming, and that Barcelona is his dream move.

Adios Amigo, I shall remember you fondly.

29 Jul 2013 13:00:24
Well said, Reina and footballers like him, think they can have it both ways! Well dealt with by lfc! Let this be a lesson to other members who would of thought of attempting this!

Hardy1892

Totally agree, we want players who w, ant to play 4 my club, not having there eyes on another

Loyalty? the blokes been sniffing around Spain for the last 3 summers. fingers got burned trying again so WELL DONE TO BR. Sure, thanks for being part of the club but keep your mouth shut when you leave.
He has disrespected the manager of Liverpool today in his letter. He has disrespected the club by saying he'll want to go if BArcelona come in for him.
He was NOT GREAT. He was good and will not rank as a legend, even if he is a thoroughly nice bloke/comedian and Spanish actor.
Dudek played for Liverpool and won the Champions League, Reina played for Liverpool. Who is the legend? not both. Gerrard, Carragher Legends. Fowler Legends. Reina.? took his money, did his job and was good enough. Most of the time.

Dr Red
Dr Red.

29 Jul 2013 11:07:06
Torres back for £15m.
Be a great buy in my opinion.
Forget all the previous stuff.
He is the best CF in the Country when on form and we need the best players.
The way he left was wrong but so what?
The way LFC have treated Reina is wrong but we don't turn on the club and have a feud with them forever! {Ed001's Note - are you being serious? This must be a joke. Torres is shot, his legs have gone, he will never get back to his best, we got rid at the right time, it would be idiotic to take him back now he is a shadow of a player. Reina was desperate to leave, no one moved for him, but we signed a replacement anyway, then he moans because he didn't get the move he actually wanted! Shows how self centred footballers are.}

Very well said ed001, your bang on with what you have said.

Spot on Ed001. Anyone considering Torres for Liverpool needs to switch the dial on the Delorean. He was a decent player last decade but no more.

29 Jul 2013 11:00:40
Liverpool should do 2 things.

sell sureaz. and be PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.

and then they can get 55-65million for him. and then they can spend on more established quality

because if you look at who we sign or get linkedin with. they are usually 20-22 yr olds. with POTENTIAL. and SOME experience.

im not suprised if cavani said we ain't got decent enough players. because quite frankly. we don't even try to sign any decent. we sign . B AND C options

sell luis. and use the money. VERY SIMPLE BRENDAN.

tony

Tony, how many teams would pay 55-65 million for our number 7, not one, so Brendan has to use his management skills to get the best price, move him out of the Prem, and then replace him with someone who fits our system, and don't forget, Sturrdge will return from injury in 2/3 wks time, let's just hope it all works out well for LFC .

'They can get 55-65 million'. So, if it was that easy, why doesn't Ian Ayre ask for 100m, eh? No one in the right mind will pay 55m for a player who is very good, but quite frankly a liability. Maybe we should sell Downing for 30m and use the money to improve the squad, that sounds like a great idea.

RedKopite

If it is so simple tony why are you not the manager? You have shown that you are a small person by signing your own name without a capital letter!
DM2013

29 Jul 2013 10:47:31
Re Reina
Since a bid for him was expected from Barcelona
and since he has made abundantly clear he would
want such a bid to be accepted, the club would have been seriously at fault not to sort out a new
goalkeeper as his 'replacement'.
If then Barcelona decide not to bid (this summer anyway) we are left with a new man AND the
existing keeper. A decision had to be made which
would be beneficial to each of the two keepers and
to the club. Such a decision was made and since
Reina is rejoining 'the best manager he has had'
then he is surely happy.
What is the problem?

Puzzled

Think we have been proactive in replacing a keeper who made it clear he will go if barca came in, we shouldn't be second choice for any player, we have reduced wage bill and brought in experienced premier keeper, I'm happy!
John a

29 Jul 2013 10:40:18
He wanted to go barca it didn't happen we signed his replacement in the meantime what else could we a done we don't have the money to pay to first team keepers

29 Jul 2013 11:15:35
Thats what Loyalty means?
If so what you expect from a player?
. ". He wants to go to real. in meantime buy his replacement.?

I agree big time, the club moved on and subsequently had to move him on when his plans fell through .

I reckon the contrast of his National teams success and the turmoil at LFC over recent years, led to him losing his edge/appetite in the LFC goal .

Mignolet looks like an awesome athlete in goal, fingers crossed we will have a better goalkeeper this season than last .

Correct, he flirted with Barca about a move and the club found a replacement. Barca pulled out i'm happy the club stood firm on this why should players say they want to move then do a u-turn at cost to the club.

Sorry, Harry, but once again, what?!

Don't understand the point you're trying to make?

Nothing new there tho, is there?!

Speak English man, ffs!

Yes Harry its exactly what the club should do he isn't being loyal by wanting to move in the first place

29 Jul 2013 10:39:00
I don't understand how people try and claim we aren't a selling club, all our best and truly world class players in the last 7 years or so have left to what they deemed at the time to be a better place to go whether it's wages or trophies. Bare in mind in that time we've only had 4 or 5 truly world class players alonso, mascherano, Torres and Suarez. And maybe Gerrard. Every other player has been far below that so we sell our best players to other sides making us a selling club

All the players you have listed, with the exception of possibly Alonso, wanted to leave. This does not mean we are a selling club per sae. Every club sells players.
What would you do keep unhappy players at the club.

What do u mean by MAYBE Gerrard.are u drunk? he should be the first name amongst them

YNWA

29 Jul 2013 11:17:17
We aren't a selling club, But We are absolute awful in Purchasing. 8/10 purchases has been average at its best, and that's the differnce.
We always had money to buy or replace, But we never ever buy the real quality players.
Countinho is an execption.

Well said. We are a selling club, all top players leave us for bigger clubs. We are no longer the attraction we used to be. Even the players we have brought in are not your top class players - average at best. {Ed001's Note - this coming from a guy who was pretending to be a Newcastle fan in one post, a Sunderland fan in another. Just go elsewhere, you are obviously just a childish little knob with nothing better to do than spout nonsense and lies on the net. Grow up.}

Every club in the EPL is a selling club, apart from maybe the ultra rich clubs like Chelsea and City - as soon as a player reaches a certain level ( let's call it world class perhaps ), then they sell - ie - Ronaldo, Fabregas ( not really world class ).
No really world class players come to the EPL.

And they all wanted to leave to got to as I said in their opinion better clubs & we sold our best players to them

And maybe gerrard? MAYBE GERRARD? Please tell me I am being agorm and thaat was sarcasm?

Anonymous woolback

30 Jul 2013 02:05:46
Stevie is probably the greatest player of the modern era for not only us but around the globe. He has achieved some truly remarkable feats. Of course people will say Ronaldo/Messi, and u can't fault their claims, but and this is a major but. Gerrard has been the complete player, he scores screamers, creates unbelievable chances, has hollywood passes, pinpoint crosses, awesome free kicks, tackles that would mortally wound any of us arm chair critics, runs as hard as bolt for marathon distances, Gerrard is the greatest player I have ever seen and he has done this for 10+ years over 600 games, the consistency, the drive, the passion, the skill, the unwavering nerves of steel, he is a true football superhero.

Be grateful that we were lucky enough to be witness to such an extraordinary talent. He represents our club to his very core. He is LFC, He is Anfield, He is one of
us, he is the boy from the pool that did it, he made us dream, he turned those dreams into reality. He is one out of the box, Gerrard will never be remembered or seen as just another player, or a highlight reel, he is and always will be a true Liverpool legend, his name, his character will never be forgotten, the true greats he will be remembered with when we are all 6 feet below.

I have seen some truly magical moments from scores of players in my time, and that's 30 years of football I can recall upon, none have made me feel or sing, dance, smile, cry, scream or laugh like he has. He has given more to myself and countless others than we truly deserve.

29 Jul 2013 10:04:26
Fantastic goodbye letter from Reina, top bloke .

Thanks, Pepe, for five great years, unfortunately you were here for eight .

29 Jul 2013 10:13:35
Did he said he wasnt happy about this Loan?
He wanted to remain in Liverpool, and was loaned without informing him?

Harry, what?

Puzzled Red

Surely if he didn't want to go on loan he could have said no?

I look back on Reina's career at our club with great memories, he had record numbers of clean sheets and I will buy him a beer or three if we ever meet .

He is 27th in our list of all-time appearances but, unfortunately, his performances in the last two seasons were abysmal, nobody ever comes on these pages to explain the reason(s) .

Harry - you are right he did want to remain in Liverpool once he realised Barca weren't interested, unfortunately by that time he had forced BR's hand into buying another goalkeeper, I like to think that if he hadn't opened his mouth Mignolet would not be a Liverpool player now.

29 Jul 2013 10:02:14
Ed, Mng Good work Keep up.

Whats this all fuss about Reina saying he wanted a contract extension and he was loaned to Napoli without informing him?
Jesus, 8 year servant with the club, still regarded as one of the best GK all time.
Do we really needed to replace him with another this seaosn?
I know he is on high wages, so as big top players would be on high wages. But what's going on Inside?
Are Liverpool only looking to offload high wages?

Now since he has stated his dissapointment about the club, let's slate him. ". No one is bigger than the club. "

Made his own bed by trying to engineer a move to Barcelona!

Wasn't that said to of happened by one or two of the Eds?

Lyndon

Reina was supposed to be going to Barca as there were strong rumours saying they were going to bid and Pepe told Liverpool that, if the bid happened he would like to leave. We then signed Mignolet to replace Pepe.
Barca's bid never happened.

29 Jul 2013 11:19:38
To the Real AG.

I found his quote from the press.

". "If I have one regret, it is the way that I am leaving, " he wrote in an open letter to Liverpool's supporters.

"It is only natural that I would be disappointed that the Liverpool management agreed to loan me to Napoli without telling me first, I thought that I deserved better than that even though I understand that difficult decisions have to be taken in football.

"A lot has been made about me informing the club that if an offer came in from Barcelona that I would have liked them to consider it. But I had also spoken to the club about the possibility of extending my contract if the offer was not made.

"I told the manager that I wanted to play for Liverpool and that Barcelona would only become an option for me if the opportunity arrived, like the rumours said it would, as it would be a chance for me to go back home."

I am not sure How relaible this is.

I agree with The Real AG. Harry, you are finding something to moan about, always and now you're fabricating something just so you have something else to moan about.

Puzzled Red

He said that he felt he deserved better than to be told he is going on loan after we had accepted napolis offer. He wanted to go to Barcelona but if the move didn't happen wanted to extend his stay at Liverpool. This is fair enough but how long can we wait for him and Barcelona to decide if he is going or if they are are going to make an offer. His on mega star wages and we needed to move forward. Thanks for everything you've done for us pepe but its time to move on good luck.

I stopped reading when I started laughing at the quote " one of the best GK of all time " - he's not even in the top 3 of Liverpool goalkeepers in the last 50 years. For the last number of years he hasn't even been Spain's number 2.

Mignolet is a better keeper, if you watched any football over the past two seasons bar the last two months, Reina was a complete liability let in simple shots and hardly ever saved a one on one. Mignolet has shown in pre season games he is young, hungry and a fantastic shot stopper.

29 Jul 2013 12:25:44
Puzzled.
common mate. I got this info from the press, I am not sure how relaible it is, But if you go through, its obvious he wasnt happy about a loan move.

Harry, I strongly recommend you think about what you post mate. Get your brain cell in gear.

29 Jul 2013 09:43:12
the fact that suarez is leaving is frustrating, and it would be nice to get a top class 30/40 mill replacement, but i'm sick of hearing people going on saying we rnt spending big blah blah blah reason I say this is all the strikers we linked to ie soldado 30 mill your having a laugh not at his age and ability more importantly. if he woth 30 then suarez woth 80, we all remember when kk payed ridiculously over the odd for players we all moaned then, and now we have a manager who isn't willing to be screwed over on prices people moan again, obviously fsg r willing to back Rodgers as were going to spend 20 plus on hm, rodgers obviously isn't going to panic buy with huge fees for players that rnt what he wants, I for 1 agree with him sturridge 12 mill coutinho 8 mill aspas and alberto look good ok time will tell but if they turn out to be in same mould of sturridge and coutinho Rodgers will be a genius, he is obviously looking for right players at right price that want to play for him and club he is unveiling some top talents that will blossom under him he did the same at Swansea and they doing ok so given time we will be back where we all want, top 4 this season I believe, think its about time rodgers got the backing of everyone he is our manager and we r Liverpool and we r not where we want to be right now but Rodgers didn't put us there did he and neither did fsg they r both trying to put things right so for all those moaners think a little

29 Jul 2013 09:22:56
Hi eds,
Do you still expect real to make a bid for Suarez because it seems they are only making an effort with bale. {Ed002's Note - Probably.}

29 Jul 2013 09:36:23
Pepe Reinas letter to the fans if genuine just shows what a class act he is,
And if his comments on how he's been managed are true then not only does it show a lack of class on the management part but a show of cowardice too,

Like I said 'IF' we don't know this is the case i'm just saying 'IF' it was true i'd personally be disappointed, thought he'd been a good servant and clubman myself

YNWA JFT96

29 Jul 2013 08:52:23
Good morning eds,

A question for ed 001 if possible.

I was thinking this morning about online streaming and How this seems to me as an untapped market. My question is this, does the deal with sky and bt include online streaming rights or can the the clubs themselves stream games online via their websites and charge fans to watch? I think if the club were able to do this it's a massive resource which is currently not being utilized.

Thanks ed, hope you're all well

Nevada {Ed002's Note - Ed001 is not around but the clubs cannot do this at the moment. IT has been dealt with extensively in the past - so you should be able to find a full explanation.}

29 Jul 2013 08:33:24
according to the guardian we have enguired about the availability of paraguayan left back lorenzo melgarejo from benfica on a season long loan.

29 Jul 2013 07:54:42
Don't want Michu. If we have £20m to spend I'd prefer it to go towards Sanchez, Muriel or Lemala. This club has to start aiming higher.

29 Jul 2013 02:45:55
hi eds its saying we in for matri muriel and osvaldo if that's how you say it, any truth eds {Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}

29 Jul 2013 07:50:36
When Suarez leaves we seriously have to buy 2 or 3 world class players to replace him as if its true Real Madrid are/have offered Spurs £51M plus Coentrao & Di Maria, and they are on the verge of signing Soldado and have already signed Paulinho & Chadli and no doubt the why will buy 2 more world class players with the Bale money so there team/squad will be extremely good, we have done well in bringing in the 4 new signings but we have to replace Suarez with a LW so Coutinho can play CAM and RW as Downing is good but more of a squad player and Aspas will rotate with who ever is brought for the RW and a proven back up striker to Sturridge as Borini works hard but lacks the goals. This season will be very difficult for us if we don't replace Suarez with 2 or 3 quality players and if Skrtel & Coates are to go then Papa looks likely to replace them.

29 Jul 2013 06:00:24
Suarez will Stay! Only way he goes if Real fail on Bale, and meet the 55 Mil Pounds Price-tag.
Soldado is going to Spurs,
Also have been told Liverpool might have lost Bernard to Porto.

Liverpool are trying to finalize 3 deals in the next week.
Those players are Eriksen, Cissokho, and Papadopolous, or Alderwiereld.

Sadly I think Norwich have had the best summer so far out of all Prem Teams.
Hairy Y.

29 Jul 2013 02:09:22
i like Michu but I would prefer Damiao or Soldado.

Damiao would be the better choice as Swansea would want £20M upwards, and how do we know he can do it again as he might be a 1 season wonder?

29 Jul 2013 01:38:15
Morning 3ds, I just hope you're not getting ideas �bout closing this site;one of the best things that's ever happened to me and such a great forum I'm proud to be a part of



Lots of love {Ed001's Note - no plans to do that mate. Just real life interfering with editing today.}

29 Jul 2013 00:10:09
Hi edd are we seriously not going to strengthen our side befor the stoke game? because it's really looking that way! I don't understand, we were willing to spend 20+ on HM without selling Suarez, so what r they waiting for? because right now were gunna have borini downing and sterling againts stoke when really they should be bench players. could u please respond {Ed001's Note - wow, you must have missed the 4 signings we have already made, I guess.}

Mignolet yes very good for us. But the rest are squad players mate, can u tell me that they would get into any of the teams in the top 4? It's an obvious no, yeah maybe we'll have aspas in there in stead of borini or downing but seriously Eds the fans want top quality signings players who are gunna come in and really take the team by storm and lift the players

The 4 signings apart from Mignolet are for the squad. We need 2 top quality players to add to the first team if we are to challenge.

Is there not nearly 3 weeks till the Stoke game?

Ed001
If I am right you are a LFC fan too right.
Do you honestly feel we have improved the 1st team with those signings?
The squad maybe but not the 1st team.
Yes Mignolet I am impressed with and looks an upgrade on Reina but the others should just be back-up in a team challenging for top 4.
If being honest the team still lacks a top CB, a back-up LB, a DM, a LW and a RW (if Suarez goes). {Ed001's Note - you don't think Toure, who has pace, is an improvement on Carra (much as I love him), who had no pace, in a system that tries to play with a high line? You don't think that Aspas is an improvement on Downing? Or that players like Sterling and Ibe have improved over last season? You can't just buy a whole new team, you just have to take a few steps forward each window, and we have clearly done that. Maybe not the massive stride we took in January, but it is still an improvement. You never know, Luis Alberto or Aspas could turn out to be a revelation in the way Coutinho was.}

But surely Ed when Suarez, Downing and others leave we should have enough money to buy 3-4 class players, so why not just buy them?
Surely missing out on top 4 again will not help our finances. {Ed019's Note - I think you are using 'World Class' a bit too easily, Liverpool will struggle to sign top talent without CL revenue}

Ed I didn't use the word World Class as I know its difficult without CL but surely some good classy players like Munian, Muriel, Ben Arfa, Papadopoulos, Adam Ljajic etc are not out of our reach.

28 Jul 2013 23:50:55
How about benzema and alonso for suarez?

Marshy

Both good players but neither make sense to me for our style/needs right now.

Andy K