Liverpool Banter Archive June 29 2014

 

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29 Jun 2014 23:35:11
Haven't been able to watch the Greece game, only just tuned in for the extra time.

Forgot to mention a few days ago, despite Greece being a team that is usually extremely boring to watch, has anyone been impressed with Manolas?

I've seen him for olympiacos and the 3 group games and he looks a decent young player. Very quick for a CB.

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Didn't impress me, left back did but he's 29 and that was only one match anyway (he didn't have any defending to do either).

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Didn't realise that Cholevas was 29 Sean! Shame as i've watched their last 3 games and he's been really impressive, mostly shining going forward. He must just be one of those who play and look like they are 22

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Hi HX Red, ya I checked him during the match as I thought he was very good. Olympiacos' left back. Other than yesterday's match I only saw the last 30mins of their group game with the Ivory Coast so I've only really seen him gung ho attacking and Costa Rica never attacking down his side so yes he looked good but I know I haven't seen him with someone running at him either.

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Cholevas seems to have pace, hunger and a good left foot and at 29 still at his peak. Maybe we can take a 5m punt!

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29 Jun 2014 23:34:56
Hey, what do you think are chances are of securing a deal for Shaqiri, he's a top talent and I can't think right now there would be better wingers than sterling on the left and Shaqiri on the right haha excluding the obvious ones (Ron, bale etc) but for power/pace and potential those two are the business! Thanks for all the hard work!

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29 Jun 2014 23:07:53
ed01, just read on the rumours page what you said when a poster mentioned he may have been took to the website by clicking a link, massive massive respect to you laying the law down that no sponsors/ advertisers can create such links, well done mate.
Just something I think worth mentioning, does everyone realise how hard it must be for the families present at the Hillsborough enquiries going on at the moment in Warrington
When hearing revelation after revelation of incompetence and lack of duty and care by numerous officials at Sheff Wed, police officers, architects, council employees etc etc . Day after day there is more appalling revelations of opportunities that were not taken that would have reduced at least or even totally removed the possibility of such a horror ever happening.
These families have to sit through disgraceful accounts of incompetence and total failure to care about fellow human beings and cannot react or show any emotion. It must be hard to take.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a disgrace it has taken so long, so long that Anne Williams has not lived long enough to see it, after all she did to bring this about! Sometimes you have to put what is right above what pays the most.}

Not just Anne Williams Ed, there is many that have carried the fight since DAY ONE, I am pretty close to two ladies in particular from the HFSG as I do a little to help them, they are truly an inspiration to anyone and everyone who have suffered injustice at the hands of the law, governments, big business's and corporations etc etc.
On behalf of all LFC fans I thank you for your stance.

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{Ed001's Note - well said, there are a lot more, and I was unfair to pick out any one of them. The whole lot of them and everyone who has got involved with their fight deserves credit for standing up and refusing to be beaten even when everyone turned on them.}

Great post. Great replies. JFT96.

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29 Jun 2014 22:52:04
Wow, 2 great finishes to both WC games today.

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{Ed001's Note - awful game though. I have only just finished swearing at the prospect of having to sit through another half hour of this dross when I wanted to go to bed!}

29 Jun 2014 23:01:01
Ed01, You might then miss the Belgium Matches. World class players of Europe. Piss poor with the national team.

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Completely agree, Ed boring and low quality but 2 games with goals in last few mins shows it means something to them. As a tip, I've taken a time out and paused the TV and am going back to it in a while and will watch this one on fast forward. I'm hoping for penalties :-)

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{Ed001's Note - if I stop it I will be asleep! It is gone 2am here.}

Ps Ed, be thankful for silver linings. At least you shouldn't be inundated with MOTD posts tomor about players from this game ;-)

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{Ed001's Note - someone will score a screamer now and change that!}

I did not watch the extra time.
Got up this morning to see that Costa Rica won on pens.
Well happy with that. Love Greece as a country ( I got married there) but they are so boring to watch.
Also, does the way Costa Rica have played in this tournament completely put our England team to shame?
I think so. Woy needs to go.

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29 Jun 2014 22:41:23
Firstly, I cannot believe people cussing Henderson. Is no player safe from abuse nowadays?

Secondly, what's up with the moaning that we haven't bought a CDM? Surely with Gerrard, Can, Lucas that's pretty good strength in depth. Add Rossiter to that in a few years time and Allen if needed, I really don't see what the problem is.

I would imagine that with the seemingly imminent sale of Suarez the club would primarily focus on getting the attacking players in first as their prices are more likely to go up the most should we sell and clubs know we have money.

That said, bids for Moreno and Lovren already isn't a lack of action on the clubs part.

I for one love our manager, owners, all the players who want to play for our great club and work their socks off to try to bring us success. This has been a great transfer window so far, it wasn't so long ago we had very troublesome ones.

Keep the faith people.

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29 Jun 2014 22:55:29
Suffolk

Everything fine with your post, But with an Excellent CDM, Henderson would have become the next Vidal.

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29 Jun 2014 22:56:54
Well said Suffolk red

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I really don't think that it is intentional people are on Hendo's back but just simply weighing up his pros and cons but as 99% of us know he has far far more pros than cons.To put it very simply Jordan Henderson will be a integral part of our midfield for years to come.Potential captain maybe and he has a very strong case if he keep's going the way he has.So why are we even having this conversation I really don't know.So let's put it to bed now and say"JORDAN HENDERSON IS GOING NOWHERE"
Cheer's all.
BarryinLouth

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I know what you mean, Harry (didn't some boxer use that line?) but I think BR's style is to have players that can play to a high level in many positions rather than buy a specialist player who can only play the one role.

Cheers for the feedback though, it's just opinions and mine are rarely right, I just like to join in the fun :-)

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Henderson is too square to be the next Vidal, he plays with zero freedom which is a choice, his first touch is almost always backwards which is negative (just something I personally don't fancy). if he had Can's intuition on the ball then maybe he could be like Vidal because he does have the motor, physical presence and skill level to be considered a game changer. Having said that he done just fine doing what he did last season as a runner and even chipped in with assists and goals, BUT. ultimately players like that are always the ones which are seen as improvable. Replace Johnson with a reliable(equally good at attacking and defending) right back like Janmaat then all of a sudden that extra body in midfield doing the space work is no longer an necessity and a creative ball-playing midfielder becomes more desirable.

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Think we still need that strong defensive midfielder, rumours of masch gone now ed, he is of course at barca (suarez)

The daily star saying deal done BTW but probably the least credible of all redtops

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Haych. Do you watch football? Why are you comparing Hendo & Vidal? And you really think Janmaat is better than Johnson?

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29 Jun 2014 22:35:23
As I see the Suarez/Sanchez situations judging from various reports:
*Barcelona are considering making a bid of €30million (£24million) + Alexis Sanchez for Suarez. They know it would be rejected immediately but may submit the bid nevertheless to highlight the fact they're still interested despite the bite, and encourage a transfer request from Suarez.
*Liverpool are more than willing to involve Sanchez in any deal and will suggest to Barcelona that they would accept a bid of roughly £55million + Sanchez.
*Liverpool would only consider a straight cash sum of over £80million, which, Barcelona believe, is too much for a player who will be unavailable until nearly November.
*Barcelona will try to tempt Liverpool with bids including smaller cash fees and an offer in the region of £45million + Sanchez could be considered enough.
*Sanchez, although not completely against a move to Liverpool, is not completely convinced by the idea however should be willing to join if he were to receive a salary similar to Suarez's.
*Arsenal are also keen on Sanchez and Wenger has met with the player's agent in Brazil, however Barcelona are looking to use Sanchez to reduce the fee for Suarez and are unlikely to accept any bid less than £40million for the Chilean, unless it seems the Chilean will refuse to come to Liverpool.
*If Sanchez were to join Liverpool as part of a deal, the club would look to spend Suarez's fee and its remaining budget on improving its central defence as well as bringing in a left back and a winger. The club may consider a move for another forward if Fabio Borini were to leave, however would look to play Sanchez on the right of a front three.

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29 Jun 2014 22:57:55
Barcelona are clever, They would agree the personal terms with the player first and then come with a joke in-front of us.
They are well aware the past of Suarez, Who would hand in a TR if required.
But they have never done Business with a proper US Business Man.
I completely trust FSG and we would have the last laugh.

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If Sanchez were to join, would that not be the winger we were after?

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As I see it of course getting a like for like is of course the priority and as we no player wise there isn't really anyone but Sanchez is our best hope the however bit is we are still to capture players for the positions we are weakest in namely LB LW and DM so let's Mae sure we get Sanchez plus cash in this deal or we move on and don't get drawn in to this whole circus for the edit window. Much as I hate to say it 1 man is not bigger than LFC and Suarez needs to show loyalty or leave as this is happening every window and we are being made to look like mugs when we publicly come out to support him

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So far FSG have handled the PR nightmare that is Suarez as well as you would expect from very savvy owners.

If we can swap him for Sanchez and cash, the trick will be complete.

No doubt Barca are up to their tricks. Apparently Suarez's lawyer is there now, presumably dotting the i's and house-hunting for little Luisito.

But they will find FSG are no pushovers.

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30 Jun 2014 10:24:14
There's a release clause this time. It'll cost them 65m or 80m euros. If they don't pay it they don't get him. As Ed002 always says they know what they need to do. If they have to sell first then this might take a few weeks to sort out. I just can't see Sanchez at Liverpool unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

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29 Jun 2014 22:31:53
Eds is it true that Sanchez wants to go to arsenal over Liverpool. Can't see his reasons if he does (apart from "living in london").

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry. I have never spoken to the lad to ask him. There is always the possibility that he feels, as he is a Man Utd fan, that he wouldn't want to join us due to the rivalry between the two teams.}

Ed001 seriously?

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{Ed001's Note - which bit? That he is a United fan? Or that there is a possibility, however unlikely they he may not want to join because he is a United fan? Or that I have never spoken to the lad? Ahhhh I see it, you are in shock because there is something I didn't know! I know, that is hard to believe.....}

29 Jun 2014 22:58:58
He hasn't opened his mouth till yet. There are lot many players who are with a different clubs than their boyhood dream.

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Ed001 just shocked that you could suggest Sanchez has morals enough to turn us down because he supported utd as a kid. I may be cynical but surely they all follow there bank balance don't they?

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{Ed001's Note - most, not all though.}

Fair enough. If he goes to utd in that case who could blame him?

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29 Jun 2014 22:25:23
I've been reading a lot of 'stories' and posts, about a player preferring a certain club to another, And I've been thinking,

Do you think Liverpool Fc will become the next Real or Barce? Where a player would be literally gobsmacked if we had any interest in them?

I'm not saying that It wouldn't be an honour for Liverpool to come knocking, I just don't understand why, If Real or Barce have substantial interest and keenness on a player 9/10 they'll get the player.
Ie. Bale, Modric, Ronaldo so on so forth.
Or is it just because they can offer the most money?

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29 Jun 2014 22:10:22
Eds what do you think of Lazar Markovic as a player?

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{Ed001's Note - I am sending a copy of this over to the other site as I have never seen him play and they might have over there.}

29 Jun 2014 22:04:40
Edd001, i.love Henderson mate. he's a terrific young player, only turned 24 I believe. If he adds goals to his game, he will be a top drawer midfielder and adds more aggressiveness to his game.
Edd001 do you believe he would flourish more with a.different midfielder( gerrard)? I do. I think though they have a good partnership he excels a lot more IMO

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{Ed001's Note - I do think a more solid holding midfielder could work well with him, but then you wouldn't have Gerrard's range of passing creating space for him to get forward into. With Gerrard there, the opposition have to drop off when he gets the ball or he can ping the ball to someone in behind them or inbetween the lines. That gives him the freedom to use his energy to charge forward when we get the ball.}

Used to be same with alonso, even keepers used to drop off in case he shot from the half way line allowing space for Torres to get in behind!

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He might work good with emre can in midfield.

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29 Jun 2014 22:01:47
Roberto Firmino or Markovic?

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I've seen far more of Firmino. I've only really watched Benfica against Sporting Lisbon and in the European competitions. Markovic never really impressed me. He's got Aaron Lennon written all over him from the little I've seen. So much talent, so much pace, but no intelligence to pick his head up before he tries a pass or cross. Hopefully if we sign him Rodgers can drill that into him.

Firmino is a different player btw. He is better behind the striker whereas Markovic is better in a front 2 or a wider role in a front 3. Firmino is brilliant though. I'd prefer Volland though if we want that sort of player.

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29 Jun 2014 22:59:54
Adam

I agree, We should get Firmino and Kono at a decent price than Markovic.

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Firmino recently signed a new contract, and I think there is quite a bit of interest in him after a fantastic season. He is also at Hoffenheim, I tend to take the view that German clubs are very well run (not sure about Hoffenheim in particular) and at least breakeven if not at a profit meaning that most don't need to sell. Wouldn't expect him to come cheaply at all.

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Markovich is a player capable of being one of the best in the world. He's already done a lot for his age. The others are good international level players. There's a big difference.

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29 Jun 2014 21:42:04
Hendo last season: (league only)

35 appearances, 3129 minutes
4 goals
7 assists
Passing accuracy 87%
Shooting accuracy 42%
62 chances created
Averaged 4 defensive actions per game
4 defensive errors all season
4 yellow cards, 1 red card
81 tackles, 83% success rate
71 clearances
10 blocks
45.7% duels won (all 50/50's and take ons)
67.1% aerial duels won
32 interceptions
2026 total passes
8.7% long passes
47 crosses
61 shot assists
19 fouls won
35 fouls conceded.

But yes, if you want to ignore the stats, Henderson can neither tackle, pass forwards or add anything to our play! The only thing he is lacking is a few more goals and a bit more agression. These stats don't even tell you how much energy he adds to our midfield and the lung bursting runs he makes in counter attacks to pull defenders away from the ball and create space. The guy is by far our best midfielder in my opinion. You may not agree with that, which is fine. If you think he's bad though, you're quite simply wrong. Our win percentage woth Henderson was 71.4%. Without him that fell to a very poor 33.3%. Why is this even being disputed?

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He is certainly our most effective midfielder. He gives the midfield the energy that we lacked for a while, and he is pretty good technically for such a player. Is a wee bit prone to nosebleeds but a great team player. I defended him from the off and I am glad he proved me correct in the wake of me getting egg in my face with Carroll.

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I agree EMS. Our season finished the second he was sent off against City.

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29 Jun 2014 22:00:27
Great post totally agree.

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29 Jun 2014 22:00:56
The only thing He lacks is GOALS, Once He make it, Then He would be as good as Vidal.

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I think it might fall on a few deaf ears Adam. But keep up the support.

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Spot on!

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29 Jun 2014 22:11:13
Always good for a statistic, EMS. I agree, Henderson was great last year in his role - not sure how that's even debatable to be honest.

I'd still say Gerrard is our beat midfeisler though mainly for the extra dimension he brings with his passing, his captaincy and penalties to name but a few.

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Stats will only ever tell 10% of a story. There are so many other factors, his positional sense, ability to tay with his man on corners, tracking runners etc. His detractors would argue stuff that this he may all short with.
I agree though I think we missed himd early, and he played a HUGE role in our title push. But let's not get carried away with numbers

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Well SA RED asked for stats that proved he plays risky passes and can tackle. If he now refuses to accept them that is his choice.

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Ozne said the same thing just shows how good he is and if not for him steve g would be arwful

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Have to say amazed with the posts recently about Hendo. He's a player who I always thought was a good signing, however many 'fans' gave him loads of stick and felt he was not good enough. Remember, centre midfield is the hardest position to play, and players do not come in at 21 and boss the show. I'm really happy for him and the fact that he's now considered an England regular. Compare him with another signing of the same age (Allen) and you'll see there's a gulf between the two

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Very detailed post EMS, as you will probably recall I am not hendos biggest fan but by far not his biggest critic either, also our views on a gerrard don't match up so it would be interesting ifvyoubhave both the time and inclination to do the same detailed post on Gerrard, I will understand if not.cheers

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30 Jun 2014 00:49:06
I would like to add how much he went to gym this 2 season! When he arrive he ain't as big as now! Beast!

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He does not weight in with enough goals as yet. that's the only (constructive) critism of his game. A bit more agression in front of goal lad, don't be in two mind to pass or shoot. Shoot and Score. For the rest he is fantastic, great energy, box to box, dies for the shirt, can pick a great pass - I don't think my post constitutes hate or slagging of Liverpool players. If it does may as well shut down the site.

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RedAce

But in a team that scores 100 and concedes 50 is scoring goals the main criteria to judge Hendo by?

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A stat to show how hard he works :average distance covered per game 12.1km

And one to show you the amount time spent doing his defensive duties.

% of defensive time spent covering his man 73.6%

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Excellent Stat Nevada. I forgot that one!

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Excellent Stat Nevada. I forgot that one!

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29 Jun 2014 21:39:45
I did ask this question in the Spurs page.
I just wanted to know, Y was Dos Santos sold?

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Cus he didn't really give a rubbish about tottenham and had 0 work ethic

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{Ed001's Note - it was a lot to do with his partying and not turning up for training regularly.}

I guess Spuds didn't care how well he would play for Mexico in the 2014 WC. In a serious note I heard he enjoyed partying and womanizing a little too much.

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Ed001, did you censor my wording .

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{Ed001's Note - nope swear filter does that one mate.}

I'll try and keep the language more appropriate in future :)

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29 Jun 2014 21:38:47
I want a central defensive midfielder that attackers bounce off like hitting a brick wall! please, I don't think Can is that kind of midfielder.

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29 Jun 2014 21:46:38
We won't be buying anyone, BR had made it clear, He won't change the style
It would be more goals next season. Gerrard would be the DM. BR also like a DM who could spray passes and influence the game much more than just tackling and breaking up.
So don't Expect Mascherano type

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I think the 'Thing' from the 'Fantastic Four' could do a proper job. I believe Can will surprise everyone, he'll be top draw I reckon.

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Have you seen him play? Slim footballers can be deceptively strong and if Rodgers wants him to play that kind of role then I'm sure he will work on his strength like he has done with several of the other players that were considered to be lightweight.

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Wanyama

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Song, Nilton?

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29 Jun 2014 21:13:13
Alexis Sanchez has said to his father that he wants to join the biggest club in the world and wants to come to EPL

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Which club is that then ;-)

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In the world? Has to be united then sadly

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29 Jun 2014 21:40:13
Liverpool FC. You better don't dare to think anything else

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Well if he said that he won't come to Liverpool as he is a its fan, pity would be great for us. It's making some good signings.

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29 Jun 2014 21:07:52
Ed 1 loving some of the replies today keep up the good work! Let he haters hate its easy for them to moan when there an arm chair critic! Lol

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{Ed001's Note - it is easy to support from an armchair as well mate. Some people just don't seem to actually watch anything a player does but slag him off anyway. After last season, I find it bizarre that anyone would slag off Henderson, he was our most vital cog in the whole team. Rodgers even moved Gerrard back to accommodate him and allow him to do his thing! That is one hell of a compliment, when you consider that Rodgers had been ready to let him go before he had seen him play for us.}

29 Jun 2014 21:49:38
I know ed 1 that's very true I love lfc to the core been some amazing times some bad times but to have u constantly bombarded with shxt is so annoying as you say hendo is a great player and can only get better!! Atho I especially love him as my last name is the same! Lol but I wish for once people would c that we fell apart last season hen he got that red card some people will never learn!

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{Ed001's Note - when I was a kid, I remember growing up hearing people moan about players like Ronnie Whelan too. The Madrid fans were always on Makalele's back before he left. Players like that are very rarely appreciated, as most people watch the ball and what happens with that and don't see the rest of the game.}

No coincidence that when he got sent off
we were a lot poorer without him and probably
Cost us the title!
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29 Jun 2014 22:27:35
To true! They only look for the superstar and don't realise these guys make them look the superstar!

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Those players are generally only appreciated by their teammates.
Fans tend to look at the players who create and score goals as more vital than those who keep the goals out and do the hard graft.
That's a shame because both types are needed for a successful team.
And that is in every team sport not just football.

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29 Jun 2014 20:45:51
A New sog for Lallana
to the music of Shakira (Dare)

La la la ana
La la la ana
La la la ana
La la la ana

Is it true that you love me?
I dare you to kiss me
With everyone watching
It's truth or dare on the dancefloor

La la la ana
La la la ana
La la la ana
La la la ana
Truth or dare on the dancefloor
La la la

- Well someone should think up some more apt lyrics? Or maybe not? song's perfect.

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What about lalalala bamba

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It's got to be a new Poetry in Motion verse
He plays for Liverpool, Adam Lallana;
On the wing or in the hole, He's Adam Lallana;
Sets up, scores, he does it all, Adam Lallana;
Plays for the best football team in the land, Lallana!

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RedAce I was thinking of something very similar. That tune is perfect for him.

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He's a red (clap, clap)
he's a red (clap, clap)
twinkle toes Lallana
he's a red

:D

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29 Jun 2014 20:30:17
A question, kind of inspired by Sanchez.
Putting aside obvious bias, which team out of united, arsenal and us would, in your opinion most like to buy?
United, big club, big stadium, but no champions league, no idea where they may come next year.
Arsenal, good football playing team, big stadium, less atmosphere but constantly in champions league, although could argue they don't compete at the top.
Liverpool, good atmosphere, back in champions league after a while, but haven't proven themselves yet, who knows what will happen next season.
Presuming all wage demands were met and fee by all clubs, which one attracts players the most?

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{Ed001's Note - well if it was Sanchez, he was a Man Utd fan as a boy.}

To Man United? They don't call it the theatre of dreams over there for nothing.

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Well, any unnamed player, not Sanchez then?

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{Ed001's Note - I was just meaning that each player has their own team they prefer, so impossible to say without knowing the player involved.}

29 Jun 2014 21:40:35
Yeah okay ed haha

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29 Jun 2014 21:41:17
Luke Shaw Likes Cheslea, Where is he now?

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I do think the team you support has a bearing on decisions. Lambert left guaranteed first team football to be a squad player at his boyhood club. Saying that though, Rio Ferdinand is a Liverpool supporter!

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I am sure the player will take into account who is more likely to win more trophies, where they will play more often and of course who will pay more dinero.

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My original question was basically, out of the three, who has more swing to a foreign player with no connections to any of the above!

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29 Jun 2014 20:26:30
Heard a whisper we're closing in on a talented young attacker, wasn't able to get the name, could just be the Origi rumours. Heard anything Eds?

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{Ed001's Note - a talented young attacker is hardly giving us much to go on!}

29 Jun 2014 19:43:25
Ed001, regarding SA REDs post about Henderson earlier and my response, actually, I do watch Hendo (I watch every televised game, and those that aren't televised, I stream online) and what I say is my honest opinion, not some hate filled or jealous words. I do not loathe Henderson in any way; he seems a nice enough guy and if everyone didn't love him so much, I would feel sorry for him, because in my opinion, he doesn't have enough confidence to be a top level player, hence the vast majority of his passes being low risk and his few attempts at dribbles. He clearly works hard for the team, which I acknowledge and am grateful for, he has stamina and he runs a lot, and I think he has some ability, but he doesn't take people on, his shooting seems wayward most of the time, he often shies out of tackles and headers, and most of his passes are sideways or backwards. This is my opinion. I have seen many posts regarding Henderson that I strongly disagree with, but I have never used any profanities in my response- I have given my opinion in a respectful manner. In fact, I have never even been rude about Hendo- the closest I've come to swearing about him is probably my use of the word 'average'. So, Ed001, if I've respectfully given my view and not sworn at anyone or been rude in any way, I would appreciate if you did the same for me, because you are basically shouting at me and calling me stupid (I also seem to recall being labelled a 'lunatic') because my opinion isn't exactly the same as yours. P.S. I have no clue what you mean when you say I've 'named the worse manager in the history of Liverpool and his crap ideas on football as a reference point.' Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - I would agree with his shooting being wayward, but his passes are far from low risk, nor are they mostly sideways and backwards any more than every player mostly passes sideways and backwards. That one annoys me, because only defenders and keepers mostly pass forwards, for obvious reasons. I was answering SA Red, not you, so stop whining when it was bloody obvious who I was talking to. Shies out of headers and tackles? Lie. Not even slightly true. He doesn't make many, but he certainly doesn't shy away from them, that is simply untrue and insulting. So I am sorry but you are degrading and insulting a Liverpool player with flat out lies, or you have not bothered to watch him play. Which is it? You make ludicrous claims about why he doesn't try and play like Suarez, which make no sense. Have you ever thought he doesn't try to dribble past everyone because in his position it is very rarely a viable option? He is not a winger, he is not in a position to get players faced up and go at them like Suarez does, in and around the box where you know they are going to back away. Your criticism of him is nonsense. He is a central midfielder and you are criticising him for not being Messi for heaven's sake. He does the role he is in the team to do, he isn't there to beat players, and it would be far too risky to have him dribbling past players constantly. I am sorry but if you make stupid comments, then I am going to tell you so. Man up.}

Nice on Ed0001. If you look at Hendo's work rate he is right up there putting effort on Kuyt's scale. He is young and learning from Gerrard and I think he will in 2 seasons be unstoppable and be the 1st name on team sheet week in week out. He has energy, vision for a great pass and does the simple things. Too many people seem to want the 60-70 yard passes, that is not realistic. struggled when Hendo was suspended and I think with him we would have been Champions again.

Baz

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If it was so 'bloody obvious' you were replying to SA RED then why did you say 'how can you agree with this'?

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{Ed001's Note - because I wondered how anyone could agree with it. Is that really so hard to work out?}

Last 14 games of the season:

With Henderson - won 11 of 11

Without Henderson - won 1 of 3

Case closed

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Ed001: From your answer, I read that we should swap Henderson for Messi as they are in a similar position?

I like Henderson and even got his name on the back of my new kit for next year, but i'll take that swap :-)

(Too much taking the . )

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{Ed001's Note - hahaha, something like that mate.}

My point is that no matter how god a player is, if he doesn't click with the players around him, he will end up looking worse than he is

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Too simplistic Jay.

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29 Jun 2014 22:40:01
I've got to have my to pence in on this . from been up the north east myself I've got to watch the lad play a lot and was over the moon when we got him from Sunderland the lad oozes class iv played against him when I was a trainee at hartlepool and i'm not ashamed to say it he ripped us from limb to limb with passes and his work rate is absaloutly phenomenal he just never stops even when he was young and is a top lad and i'm glad to say he's playing for the best team in the world which makes me think where I could of been if I didn't get sidelined for a long stretch but i'm glad he's made it at least he's living the dream even if it was my dream to be in front of the kop the lad just needs to find the goal more often and people's opinion will change and they be on here saying I knew he was a class act blah blah blah never doubted him the lads going to be in front of that kop a long time so I'd get used to him same with Allen he's got to get this i'm at a big club mentallity out his head and play with the freedom we all seen him do at Swansea no disrespect to Swansea either

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Some of Henderson's passing, especially in the final third was amazing last year - he was picking out players with passes I didn't know he had in his locker.

Now if you only watched the England games then that's a totally different scenario.

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What you also have to take into account as well are the counter attacks that he slows down purely due to his presence after sprinting back 40 yards, not to mention the fact that some of his runs are very good and allow Suarez and Sturridge to drop and receive the ball from deep. It is more accurate to say that he is crucial to how we play, rather than to drop him.

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29 Jun 2014 19:11:55
I thought we were in the market for a CDM, a strong CB, do we have anyone in mind and who are they? i'm struggling here!

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29 Jun 2014 20:32:31
I thought we already bought CAN

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Home Fan from what I have seen (admittedly on youtube) he doesn't look like a defensive midfielder, like say Mascherano, so I hope you are right and he helps protect the back four mate, I think we need a player that's very difficult to get past and protects the defense, i.e. Schneiderlin?

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29 Jun 2014 21:42:41
BR had a difficult choice to make, He would either Bring a CDM or CM, He bought Lallana.
Gerrard and Lucas to cover up

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Harry, I don't expect Can to sit as a defensive midfielder mate, I think he can offer more offensively.

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29 Jun 2014 19:09:28
Robben is a great diver, has been, is and will be. He is a great actor and sad to see him celebrated as he will be.

I will never forget when Pepe touched him on the chin and he fell backward as if he's been shot (wish he had been) and go Reina sent off. His dive is nearly as bad as biting!

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I remember rafas interview after that game was a classic after pep got sent off I even watched it on you tube a few months aho the mexican defender was daft going anywhere near robben there I think everyone watching knew what was going to happen and robben didn't let anyone down dive and penalty

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29 Jun 2014 19:35:12
He did a double dive on a previous trip down the field, tripping over nothing and falling dramatically, then getting up and immediately tripping over a second bit of nothing and falling dramatically. He should have gone for the diver's hat trick.

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He should have got an Oscar by now. Anyway, the is, you stop Robben and Van Persie, you a Holland in their tracks

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He should have got 2 penos in the game and stayed on his feet also

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Robben is a very clever player, I like watching him as he takes people on and beats them but your right about him cheating and it does annoy me too but if he was 21 and on the market what would he be worth. ps . he scored a cracker v the in the champs league a few years back and I really enjoyed that goal .

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How about FIFA starts handing out international bans to Robben (and others) for bringing the game in disrepute to such obvious cheats.

That would me me feel better, and I believe would stamp out a lot of this acting/ cheating.

You will always have players making the most of a situation/ faul (Chileni), but at least you would remove or punish the deliberate ones

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29 Jun 2014 19:06:27
Seeing as our defensive rumours have gone quiet, do you think our number 1 targets may be in the World Cup and still competing?
If Moreno is dead in the water, maybe Rodrigues?
Maybe hector Moreno could be still being looked at?

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Apparently hector Moreno has broken his leg now, maybe ends that rumour for now

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I can sympathise! I did mine last week. Op to have it pinned tomorrow. Suppose there are worse times to be sat feet up for 6 weeks!

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29 Jun 2014 19:06:04
I've had a lot of great times in Holland, I have wanted them to do well after the english joke team were eliminated, but I don't like some of their football players, Arjen "the diver" Robben! can anyone remember a game when he hasn't dived to try and win a penalty or free kick? Sneijder? Van Persie? they make me sick!

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29 Jun 2014 19:00:26
Unlucky Mexico sad to see a good team go out very unlucky

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Are you serious? The Dutch were all over them.

The only reason Mexico was even in the races was because of the conditions.

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Tiger, Did you watch the first half? Mehiicoo dominated and IMO they should have won.

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Give it a rest the 1st half all Mexico second half they were always going to sit back towards the end!!!

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Regardless, I have really enjoyed the Mexicans this World Cup. Their wing back Aguilar had really impressed me.

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29 Jun 2014 18:30:49
Juventus have switched there attentions from Alexis Sanchez to Juan Manual Iturbe and have made an offer of £16M plus Fabio Quagliarella.

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29 Jun 2014 17:48:57
Am I the only one who can see our defence would be stronger if we had more stronger defensive midfielder. Mascherano, Medal comes to mind. Endo gets defended so much on here and he can't tackle to save his life. He was caught wanting at the world cup again and everyone blames the backs. Being super fit and just shadowing players don't make you a good midfielder. Even Hodgson substituted him because the players run circles around him. Most his passes is backwards or just side ways which are what is trained at the academy. All just passes that is ooohhh before I make a mistake. I am not saying he hasn't improved but he is going to be found vulnerable in the CL? I know I am going to be slated for this but isn't this just another over hyped player. If the statitistions have any stats on his tackling and attacking passes please enlighten me.

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Agreed

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{Ed001's Note - how can you agree with this? It is complete claptrap. You don't even know what they train at the Sunderland academy, it is idiotic. Just idiotic, the whole thing. You really have some kind of hate for Hendo, obviously without even watching him play. And to back that stupidity up you have named the worst manager in the history of Liverpool and his crap ideas on football as a reference point. This is the kind of crap posts with no sense or intelligence behind them that I would just delete. If you want to pick at Hendo, at least have the decency to watch him play then you can pick apart his game with some knowledge, instead of a complete load of crap like this. Agree? Hell no.}

Take out Skrtel and bring in a defender like Lovren to partner Sakho and our defence will be boss. Oh after we have got rid of Johnson at the ned of next season too.

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Hendo isn't a defensive midfielder and hodgson completely nullified all of his qualities for England. Pretty sure he was in top seven of chance creators in prem last season, no bad for someone who only passes sideways and backwards! But I do agree we would certainly benefit from a mobile defensive midfielder to protect back 4.

Cheers

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Dont have any stats for you.
But hendo had a great season! i'm just not sure where your coming from?
did you even watch him play?!
he was easy one of Liverpools top 5 players last season

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What on earth are you talking about?
Henderson doesn't even play as a holding midfielder for us which is where Hodgson screwed up. It is no coincidence we lost the league title in the three games Hendo didn't play last season.I went to Anfield 4 times last season, in 2 of the 4 he was Man of The Match and one (Chelsea) he was suspended for and we really missed his energy in midfield.

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29 Jun 2014 19:04:55
Good to see the World Cup has brought the Hendo bashers out after being forced to hide for a season.

Henderson doesn't play as a defensive midfielder for us, so criticising him for his lack of ability to play that position is silly. He does his job: Cover ground, and arrive in the top third to support the attack. The one criticism I'd have is that he needs to come up with more end product. As for "he only passes sideways" I assume you're basing this on his England performances, or you have your TV balanced on its side instead of its base. Just because Hodgson misused him (& Gerrard) doesn't mean he's a problem area for us.

Our DMs last season were Lucas and Gerrard. Criticise them for our lack of defensive cover.

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Glad to see all the replies defending r Hendo. What's this dude on. He is a future captain of our club me feels.

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Agree with ed!

Complete load of tosh about Hendo! Hendo didn't and has never played in holding midfield. He often played in front of Gerrard (Who was the holder) and played magnificently. I'm not sure why he gets stick from people like you, as he doesn't really have any weakness.

The lads pretty fast and gets up and down the pitch quickly. He also has the engine to go with it so he play this way for a full 90 minutes, delivering priceless energy and pressing of the opposition (Which rubs off on the rest of the team)

He also has far greater technical ability than he is ever given credit for. His switching of play is Gerrard esc at times as he can ping them to the wingers to create fast counter attacks.

One thing he could improve is his goal scoring. Which I'm sure he will. Even though some of the goals he has scored have been absolute corkers! So, I really don't understand your argument.

Mascherano and Medel are completely different types of midfielders!

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Agreed.





With Ed001 :-)

I would probably not have batted an eyelid if Hendo had been sold 12 months ago. He completely turned it around and is definitely going to have a long successful career at LFC.

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Unbelievable - some have already pointed out on here - Henderson missing in three of our four last games probably cost us the league.

Henderson scored a few (maybe should've scored a few more) and made lots of assists and chances.

Him breaking up play gave us some big wins last season against top teams.

I don't see his place under threat with the signings so far - although at least we have more options.

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If we bought a midfielder of this kind which we won't because that's not how we play then he would replace Lucas place on the bench (if he stays to sit on it) then it'd probably be a step down from Lucas who is a very good defensive player but he is completely 1 dimensional that's all he can do. None of our deeplying midfielders through out the club areof the type you want which is what proves my point

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If he improves his composure in front of goal I don't see many centre mids (not counting the silvas/mates position) being as good as him next season.
Works incredibly hard, almost plays as 2 players, and can't really see a side of his game that let's him down. He's not a defensive mid, he's a box to box player, and key to the way we play football. I think we need another centre mid, but no way do I want hendo to even get rested haha.

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I am a total Hendo convert. when he first came to Liverpool I was admittedly a hater. Probably like some of the other haters, I didn't give him a chance, but he has completely won me over and I think he will be a Kop favorite for a very long time. I completely apoligize for my short sightedness.

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29 Jun 2014 20:41:26
When I heard news that Hendo turned down a move to London to show BR that he was game, I knew I wanted this guy to be part of our team for years to come.

I know there could be a lot of reasons for us not winning the title last time. My reason- Hendo's absence. Love everything about the guy, energy, attitude and perseverance. Deserves to wear the Red.

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Last season I didn't rate hendo but my god he won me over the lad is pure honest in everything he does and will improve will learn will work hard in training stay back extra hours and improve again because he is a good lad who deserves credit

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Hendo was signed by kk after he replaced the hodg

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Hogwash. Hendo is class

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29 Jun 2014 15:51:55
Just seen an article in the express saying Liverpool interested in munain, but not willing to pay £36m buyout clause. Do the eds know of any current interest in the Spanish messi? Or is it recycled news?

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{Ed002's Note - Put aside any "buy out clause" as it is nonsense. I am not aware of interest at this time.}

If it was 3.6m maybe

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29 Jun 2014 15:07:24
Eds. with Suarez being from South America, I guess he had to have a work permit to play in Europe/England. With him not being able to "work", will this jeopardise his eligibility to stay in the uk? And do you expect him to remain in Uruguay for the length of the ban?
Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - It has been suggested before that any further indiscretion in England may well need to be dealt with through the courts - that would put his work permit at risk, but nothing else right now. I have no idea where he will spend the coming months but I would doubt it will be England.}

29 Jun 2014 14:42:27
Hello eds just a quick one, was womdering if you knew off a spanish journalist called xavi torres, and if his news is reliable? Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - I have not met him.}

Bigredf and SARed, I agree with you both re Henderson in the main and I have had a few spats with posters in the past, what does my head in is that if you don't rate a player you somehow are a hater, that's certainly not right in my case anyway. I don't agree he shirks tackles or headers, he's not a shirker.
Heres my take on "Hendo".
Attitude; superb
Work rate/pressing; top drawer
Fitness; unrivalled
Passing; average to good, occasionally pops off a great ball
shooting; poor
Goals record; poor to average, haven't got stats but think I'm being fair,
Tackling; average at best
Heading; not a lot
Dribbling (including going past players with the ball); virtually non existent but I understand its not his game, however your matas, silvan and ozils do it from similar positions, NOTE, I said similar
My main concern with him is that he is a box to box midfielder who runs out of ideas when he gets to the oppositions box. In conclusion, I love the lads attitude, drive and commitment but I want more from my box to box midfielder. If he got more confident with his shooting and scored a few more goals it would make a big difference to his overall play.
I think it is telling that a lot ofthepraise centres on his attitude, fitness, commitment and him being a nice guy. I'm no armchair fan either, I went to all home games last year, and yes we did miss him when he was banned. No insults please lads it's just my humble opinion.

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{Ed001's Note - now that is a good post. Though I would say the Matas of this world know that there are always two midfielders covering them, whereas Hendo is one of the midfielders providing the cover, so doesn't have the same luxury.}

It's a good post but doesn't take into account his development. When Gerrard isn't on the pitch he becomes more of a playmaker. In general he "balances" the team up. I agree with Ed01 that he's a bit of a Ronnie Whelan. You only value these players when they aren't in the team and you then realise what a good job (often unseen) that they do.

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30 Jun 2014 08:22:10
I think with his key attributes which you pointed out Alan, he should be able to keep improving next season and hopefully add a few more goals to his game.
In turn helping to become more of a complete player.

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29 Jun 2014 17:29:28
No. Sterling has the potential to become better than Sanchez. The reason we would like Sanchez (the fans) is to cushion the blow of losing Suarez's footballing ability. If Sterling keeps his head down and carries on progressing he will become one of the best attacking wingers in world football.

YNWA

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This was meant to be a reply to S7 a S15 aS31 about his question about Sanchez and Sterling sorry.

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I think that Sanchez is a good short term solution, then at 24 there is no reason he cannot become a quality player for us.

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29 Jun 2014 17:17:08
Will be interesting to see how blind plays holding midfield now.

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29 Jun 2014 16:54:21
This is obviously 100% hypothetical but just out of interest if barca turned round and offered Sanchez in a straight swap for sterling would anyone here actually accept? Like I say 100% hypothetical but I think it would be interesting to see what people would do.

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In a flash.

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Why would Barcelona want to do that and why would LFC want to get rid of Sterling?

Scrap this thought entirely!

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Now that's a great question.
Considering their respective value I think we'd be doing worse off, but in terms of our hopes of winning the league next year I would argue that would improve them. I'd ask for £10million and 25% sell on fee

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29 Jun 2014 17:32:35
Sanchez is twice the player Sterling is. That being said, with Sterling you have limitless potential.

I think I would yes.

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Not for me,
Raheem is going to be Quality!
Love to have them both though ;0)

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Nope. It is that simple.

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Puzzled Red

Saying Sanchez is twice the player Sterling is just pointless. Two totally different players at two different ages. It is like comparing a watermelon with an apple.

Why S7 a S31 a S15 even asked or made this suggestion is completely beyond me.

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29 Jun 2014 18:01:50
Not a chance sterling is proven in PL and can become anything he wants in football. Plus Sanchez might not like the weather or some other rubbish and push for a move away

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29 Jun 2014 18:13:27
No. I would keep Sterling.

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Wow great supporters you are. willing to sell our best player since the turn of the season who was tearing teams apart at just 19 because he doesn't a south American name?! I woudnt trade him for two sanchez's - p.s Sanchez is a great player I am not arguin that but I woudnt trade sterling for him

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Max I highlighted the fact it's all hypothetical twice yet you still feel the need to say it's not possible haha.

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I was thinking about posting something similar earlier but regarding Real's reported interest, and what it would take to prize Sterling away. Never going to happen, but, hypothetically, what about if they offered Varane or a straight cash deal, what would people be prepared to let Liverpool accept for him at this stage? £25m, £30? Tricky one for me. As for Sanchez think I would rather hang on to Sterling, would love to see him develop and become world class with us, even though it's more of a gamble as he’s got the potential but anything could happen over the next 4-5 years.

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Sanchez is better now so depends on the vision of the club to buy for now or the future

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Keep Raheem.

Sanchez has reached his peak, Sterling is one of the fastest progressing players in the premier league.

He hasn't got 'limitless' potential though, Lol.

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29 Jun 2014 20:32:25
Haha Ken, that's not exactly what I meant.

I just meant that we don't know how good sterling will be but we know how good Sanchez already is. That's all I meant mate, you're quite right not "limitless" at all

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29 Jun 2014 20:44:09
I'm not a win-at-any-cost guy. I'd keep young Raheem.

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29 Jun 2014 16:44:23
Many keep saying we need new centre backs.

IMO the attacking system we play will always leave us vulnerable at the back and buying some new defenders won't be an instant cure.

I think we need a new LB but Agger and Skirts are still quality defenders, I would prefer some of the youth players in the likes of Wisdom come through the ranks and get given the chance. Look at Luke Shaw, Jone etc.

Unless we become a more defensive minded team we will continue to be exposed at the back.

I prefer to watch our open style of attacking play, with Lucas fully fit that will help away from home.

BR keep looking to buy young attacking players :-)

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29 Jun 2014 18:13:47
I completely agree!

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Agger has been struggling IMO and Skrtel has had a good season but is still prone to the odd ricket.

We need a quick centre back to play with Sakho.
We definitely need a defensively aware left back and right back IMO.

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29 Jun 2014 20:48:34
It was mistakes and misunderstandings that cost us dear. Not player quality. Trust BR to put those mistakes to bed

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I think prior to Suarez' return if you look at our defensive record then it was okay. That said it was only 5 games.

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29 Jun 2014 16:33:20
I think the ed's are censoring anyone that thinks we should keep Suarez so I'm posting this again!

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{Ed001's Note - no more, it is boring as hell, they are being sent over to the other site, all posts relating to him staying or going. It has been said already and you are just repeating the same stuff you have already said a thousand times. Next time you try and be an arse by posting multiple posts, I will just block you.}

Yellow card.

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Perhaps it would be an idea to open up a "LuisSuarez-rumours.co.uk site?

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{Ed002's Note - It won't be for long.}

My last post was of course a joke.

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Ultimately we have minimal influence in the decision.
If he stays the club need to force him to undergo a program to address his antics and he gets fined every time he misses it.
Then it will be like having a player who has just had a bad injury.

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29 Jun 2014 14:50:37
I say we make the most out of this Suarez situation and do the following -

Buy alexis sanchez outright,

Offer Monaco the option to buy suarez for 50 mill plus james rodriguez

I no this ain't going to happen but would love it if LFC was that aggressive in this window.

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Good plan.
Just a few questions:
1) Where's the money for Sanchez coming from.
2) why would Monaco offer us James Rodriguez? Have they shown any interest in Suarez?
3) where do we get the £50m to pay UEFA next season for breach of FFP?

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I would take a straight swap for Suarez and James Rodriguez. On a more serious note, I don't think that Shaqiri and Sanchez are that much better than Konoplyanka. He is almost like the forgotten man amongst all this world cup fever.

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29 Jun 2014 15:45:55
1 - if Monaco are willing to make the 50mill plus rodriguez deal then the 50mill we get from it can go towards sanchez.

2 - no idea if they have interest in suarez but if they do we can atleast try this option.

3 - hopefully answer 1 will prevent this.

but it ain't ever going to happen I was just fantasizing about a perfect window.

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Afternoon all,
I have just had it confirmed that Barcelona have put in a formal bid for luis Suarez and the figure is embarrassingly low. They seem to be of the opinion that when they make an offer for a player the current players team just have to accept it irrelevant of price. Liverpool have laughed off the first bid but are preparing to receive further substantial bids from two other teams that have enquired.
I will keep everyone informed if anything changes!

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Perfect windows would be if Real Madrid want a straight swap for Aspas (not a dig) and Ronaldo. Also Barca offer us Neymar and Messi for the Welsh Xavi (I like him, but it may be too much to resist).

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Piledriver: Sanchez is far far superior than Konoplyanka and Shaqiri is also better.

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BigD: None are tried and tested in the BPL. All I am saying is that we shouldn't forget about Konoplyanka.

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To the op think you forgot about wages and I'm pretty sure Rodriguez now has to be worth 50+mill considering that they bought him for 35 odd mill and he has improved a lot since then. so I don't think they'd value Suarez at 100+ mill. apart from that it would be nice obviously ;)

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To con6580: Just to make sure. are you telling me that Barcelona are trying to do a "Liverpool" on Liverpool?

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29 Jun 2014 13:46:16
Regardless of what happens with Suarez in the near future I think our priority should be a centre back.
We have been linked with Lovren from Southampton who in my opinion would make an exceptional partner for Sakho (or Agger ) in the centre of defence
Lovren is young, ambitious, two footed, ball playing strong defender who may also help with organising people around him ( which we lacked last season )
With him and hopefully Lallanna added to the starting 11 this will improve our team this season.
If Suarez goes, like most of us on here I too would love Sanchez to come the other way.
I would prefer a centre back than a new left back as Flanno was outstanding at the end of the season at left back and with possibly Enrique coming back to compete for a place in the squad.

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As I understand it lovren wants too go to spurs unless barcelona come in for him? Lfc & arsenal have been linked with him but as I said would prefer spurs to linkup with pochettino! The talk of him wanting champions league? He stated that he would 'prefer' but it's not a necissity which is why he favours spurs?

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At least if we keep buying Southampton players it won't take long for them to gel!

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Walkers, Lovren will choose Liverpool over Spurs if he moves.

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29 Jun 2014 16:49:18
Hahah, he wants to go to Spurs? yeah right.

Maybe he doesn't think he is good enough to get in the LFC team then.

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Unfortunately guys yes he does!

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29 Jun 2014 13:42:05
Apparently Sanchez doesn't want to come to Liverpool, is this true Ed's?

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{Ed001's Note - I have no idea, I have never asked him.}

29 Jun 2014 14:19:20
Barca wants a massive fee on him which we don't value, So they are offering him to other clubs to get the money.
We should turn our back at Barca for any kinda BS

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29 Jun 2014 13:21:15
can anyone please update me on the situation with enrique? is he still injured?
thanks

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29 Jun 2014 12:49:01
I would like Medal to replace Hendo

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If you are good enough to replace Hendo, I will give you a medal.

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Why to replace?
Medel would be great addition in front of back four but couldn't match Hendos energy.
And I'm expecting Hendo to improve even more this season
Ynwa

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I think your wrong mate

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Are you mad? Lucas, yes. Gerrard even! But Hendo? Did you not see how our title challenge collapsed without Jordan in midfield. No I'm sorry. This isn't even my opinion, you are just wrong if you think Hendo is the weak link in our midfield. I'm sorry to sound harsh but this is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen on here.

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29 Jun 2014 13:12:57
I wasn't aware Hendo required replacing.

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I don't see why we can't have both.

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29 Jun 2014 13:22:19
Replace? I'd like him alongside

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Agreed SA Red.

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29 Jun 2014 14:16:27
I would play Medal alongside Hendo and Allow Hendo to burst forward.

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Even Harry has more tactical understanding than a couple of you! Spot on Harry mate. Medel is nothing like Henderson and simply could not do his job even to 10% of the standard.

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Our midfield is sound enough right now and I don't think we need any more changes in the central areas.

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Buy Medel to replace Henderson?

Maybe we buy him, so he can replace Henderson's batteries after each match.

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29 Jun 2014 16:51:00
If you are ask nice enough, maybe they will give you a MEDAL?

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He was really impressive in the world cup

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I am considering running online sarcasm classes. The real AG will be excused.

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Medel is a classic example of someone who looks great for his country but average in the PL. He had a couple of very good games last season but plenty of ordinary ones. He won't make the play like Gerrard so is effectively no better than Lucas who also patrols an area well without offering enough from an attacking point of view.

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{Ed001's Note - not true, it was because of him that people are raving about Caulker, who was god awful most of the time but Medel covered for his lack of positioning game after game. Medel wasn't just covering for crap defenders either, he was passing from the back when the chance presented itself. It was the team around him that let him down, as it always was going to from the moment Malky was sacked.}

I knew you'd have a nibble Ed! I know you are a major fan!

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{Ed001's Note - I admit I am, but because of his quality. He is better in midfield, but the work he does in midfield often goes unnoticed, unlike when he is in defence. When you are positionally correct in midfield, it is mostly just cutting off a passing avenue for the opposition. When you are positionally correct as a defender, you are usually able to nip in and clear a ball or intercept it etc. That is why the work the best defensive midfielders do goes unnoticed, while the charging round someone like Mascherano or Scott Parker does gets spotted.}

29 Jun 2014 12:07:46
Out of the world cup who has been you favourite
Team:
Player/s:
Manager:
So far?

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Team = Columbia
Player = Messi
Manager = Chile's manager.

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Caudrado, Rodriguez, Sanchez, Medel

Sampaoli

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Ghana
Ahmed musa
Miguel herrera-Mexico

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Neymar and Rodreguez for me. Both have massive expectations and have delivered at such young ages, brilliant to watch

Van Gael and Sampaoli.

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Chile and Colombia for the manner in which they have played their games, playing as a team and showing total commitment. Special shout for the Socceroos, who gave it their all in a very tough group and gave their nation something to be proud of.

Alexis Sanchez because he is simply such a joy to watch. Never stops working for the team, incredible ball control and just breathtaking to watch.

The Chile coach, Jorge Sampaoli, for showing us all how the game should be played. Credit too to Jorge Pinto for what he has achieved with Costa Rica. Who would have predicted that?

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Holland - flair and real attacking intent

Cuadrado - James goals getting headlines but this lad is Colombia's driving force.

Sampsoli - Gave it a real go instead of just trying to contain, with a team comprising of lower league players and couple of star names

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France
Sakho, Robben (not in any order)
Pekerman

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Rodriguez, Sanchez, Robben, Neymar, Ochoa, Muller and Messi.

Miguel Herrera has also done very well as Mexico coach.

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England
Smalling
Hodgson

. oops soz I thought you meant "quite frankly the worst"

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29 Jun 2014 11:47:58
young ibe will be playing on one wing next year and sterling on the other which sturridge and lambert up front with lallana behind them. all we need now is a goalkeeper and some good defenders know any good defenders or goalkeepers.

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No way is Ibe first team ready yet. squad rotation maybe but w need another winger

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So Lallana and Lambert are the replacement for Suarez… and we are going to play with 2 strikers, two attacking wingers, aged 18 & 19 respectively and a CAM. Might as well put Coutinho in at defensive midfield as well just to really give that attacking edge. Number 19 here we come.

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29 Jun 2014 13:23:51
What's coutinho done to be dropped for ibe?

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Lambert, Sturridge
Ibe, Lallana, Sterling
Gerrard

lol we would get destroyed being so British

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Johnson kelly wisdom flanno
Gerrard Allen hendo
Sterling lambert sturridge
Best British team in the keague anyway if we had a keeper ;)

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29 Jun 2014 11:18:51
Ed001 it's fairly obvious we are after a centre back. Who do you think we will end up with? I know Lovren is first choice. I just can't see Southampton selling us 3 players in one window!

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{Ed001's Note - I honestly don't know mate, I would prefer us to give Kelly and Ilori a chance there, rather than buying a second choice player to be honest.}

So ed Lovern or else someone from within the club

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{Ed001's Note - for me that seems the most likely, yes.}

I don't believe the defence needs a major overhaul and would like to have s decent look at Ilori.
I feel the major reason for us conceding so many last season was down to indiscipline in the holding area of midfield.
Hopefully Gerrard will have adapted better to this role now he has had 6 months experience there.
And without any real knowledge of him I'm hoping Can lives up to his YOUTUBE clips.
Only chance I've had to see him is on there so don't judge me ha ha.
Ynwa

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Same Ed. Personally I'd send Ilori out on loan and have Kelly and Toure compete for right centre back, Sakho and Agger compete for left centre back, Flanno and Wisdom compete for right back, and although neither player is my preferred choice Moreno and Enrique compete for left back. I'd give McLaughlin and Smith loans as well if Moreno is signed. Skrtel, Coates and Johnson should be sold as they are too slow or in Johnsons case just lazy.

I hope we don't sell Agger btw. He loves the club and deserves to retire here as a legend. He will get plenty of game time now we're back in the CL.

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Kelly and Toure is not good enough Kellys injuries mean you can't rely on him for a season and well Toure didn't exactly do amazing last season!

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{Ed001's Note - Toure did before he picked up an injury! He was excellent, then he came back and had to play on the wrong side.}

I'd like to see us try and offload johnson because he felt like a weak link for Liverpool and England, he doesn't have the same attacking edge which allowed people to make excuses for his defending. I'd like to see us go with flanno and Kelly there this season or possibly callum chambers from Southampton if we kept flanno left and Kelly central. I don't think our cb's are the problem because a lot of issues came from crosses from Johnsons side.

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Kelly's injuries werevasca result of his rapid growth spurts. It also didn't help that we played him out of position where it is far more physically demanding. He is not and never has been a right back. He just got put there because he is fast and can defend. He's not suffered a single injury since his ACL recovery so hopefully his injuries are a thing of the past.

Only a highlight reel loving, YouTube watching, video game playing fool thinks Toure is a bad defender. When he plays in his position (not shoe horned in next to Skrtel out of necessity not choice) he is excellent. He would be an excellent partner to Sakho with Kelly, Agger (and even Wisdom and Paez also) as back up.

My firat chouce back for next season if Lovren proves to be unattainable would be Flanno, Toure, Sakho, Moreno. Toure has never been given the chance to partner Sakho and I can really see it working. Toure would be the leader we were missing all of last season and is simply in a different league to Skrtel.

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EMS - I don't disagree with your central point about Toure. But if BR agreed with you he would have been in ahead of a Skrtel? I thought his ability to panic everyone around him was alarming. He played like a giddy youngster when we needed a calm head.

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Anfield Boy, I think the reason behind that was that by the time Toure and Sakho were both fit and available to play together, we had won 3 games in a row which would go on to become 11 in a row. You don't change a winning team. Toure was picked ahead of Skrtel alongside Agger for the first 3 league games and we put together 3 clean sheets in a row straight from the off. You may be right, but I hope Rodgers gives Toure a chance!

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Anfield Boy, I think the reason behind that was that by the time Toure and Sakho were both fit and available to play together, we had won 3 games in a row which would go on to become 11 in a row. You don't change a winning team. Toure was picked ahead of Skrtel alongside Agger for the first 3 league games and we put together 3 clean sheets in a row straight from the off. You may be right, but I hope Rodgers gives Toure a chance!

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29 Jun 2014 11:03:11
So arsenal have bid for sanchez and apparently according to Balague he has offers from.juve and Liverpool. I feel he will end up at the first club that offers barca'' the highest.amount to fund the suarez move. Ofcourse he has to want the.move but arsenal have a wage structure, will they break it tempt him or will they offer what other clubs will give him? He really could end up anywhere

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29 Jun 2014 11:52:04
Excellent point mate regarding the wage structure, They just did it once with Ozil and they cannot afford to have excuse this time.
Its also surprising, Juventus are willing to match his wages

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29 Jun 2014 11:55:38
No Balague did not mention anything about Liverpool offers to Sanchez.
He mentioned Sanchez Liverpool in the same paragraph as a possible scenario for a Suarez deal , and the Chilean being part of a swap, but he also said its highly unlikely.
Lets get something clear, Liverpool have not made any efforts towards Sanchez, and if he moves on to another club, its because Liverpool board are not interested and its not because they cannot complete a deal.

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Roy
Balague said on a ssn article
Sanchez has offers.from juve and Liverpol"
I am not createing false words, that.is what balague stated.
And ben smith has also said.Liverpol are still very keen.on sanchez with other clubs.interested

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Arsenal would easily smash their wage structure again for sanchez

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Again? Its a new structure with ozil

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29 Jun 2014 10:45:35
Hi Ed002

Would Barcelona be willing to let go of Martin Montoya? Maybe a deal can be agreed to include him and Sanchez for Suarez.

I just do not see Barcelona stumping up a huge amount of cash for Suarez and would rather have Montoya who can play LB and RB then let's say Pedro who I believe will fail like Asaps and Soldado have in the EPL.

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{Ed002's Note - I can't see that happening.}

29 Jun 2014 10:57:58
Hi eds,

1)Do you think that lfc will still buy another striker with suarez banned.

2) if yes, do you think he could be quite a big player.

3) do you personally think suarez will leave

Thanks a lot

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{Ed001's Note - 1) I don't see the ban as the reason Liverpool are looking at forwards.
2) No, Peter Crouch is not making a return.
3) Depends on if someone will pay the money, but probably.}

29 Jun 2014 12:05:13
Hi eds I meant a well known player regarding big

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{Ed001's Note - in this day and age, every player is well known.}

29 Jun 2014 10:41:28
Hello Eds and Reds.
I have just read in the mirror that Suarez headbutted a young player in the chest in a behind closed doors game after the Ivanovic ban.
Is this true?
If it is then he can **** right off!

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29 Jun 2014 10:59:44
No ways. he only bites. He is having a mental conditions, Where his emotions transfer into aggressive nature leading to bite.
He could have done the Head but in the past, Nothing reported

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Not having this mental problem bs harry.if he really was that unstable he should have bitten more than 3 people especially some Liverpool players
He makes a very conscious decision to bite then begins to sulk like a child after he has been caught

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Harry, I was just trying to find out whether there is any truth to the report.
If it is true then that's it for me.
I love the footballer, one of the best but how much can we put up with?

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Put it into perspective a little bit. This is professional football, if you've ever played the game then you know that abuse, kicks, elbows, headputs pinching diving and physical violence of every nature go with the territory. Its starting to piss me off somewhat that people are trying to steralize football into something it is not, never has been and never will be.

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The report sounds like cr*p to be honest. Why would this come out now? It seems slating Suarez is the flavour of the month.

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Totally agree with Red Ace.

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RedAce. Football got sterilised ages ago unfortunately.

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29 Jun 2014 10:28:01
Hi Eds,

First time poster, long time reader. If Suarez is gone and he looks to be gone then I think we could do worse than Wilf Bony. He's a proven goalscorer. 40% goals to games ratio at Sparta and then the golden boot in Holland.

Last season was a solid start in the premier league and with the quality we'd have around him in Sterling and Sturridge I think he'd flourish.

Given he had a trial with us many moons ago it would continue the trend of second chance heroes we've started by signing Lambert.

Keen to know what you all think.

Cheers,

Jacqs.

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We signed lambert after the club decided bony was too expensive

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29 Jun 2014 10:43:51
Dirk Kuyt was quite prolific in the Dutch League.

Apart from Bony not suiting our style of play, is not that particularly good a FOOTBALLER, he is of course nowhere near close to Suarez's level.

Besides, we should be looking for a second striker as we already have Lambert, Borini and Sturridge who call all play the No. 9.

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Looking at his stats that's not a bad shout. People do need to realise that we can't always replace one world class striker with another.
I would like to see more of Bony before I could fully agree with you tho.

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He's no Suarez but we can forget about replacing him. Sanchez is an excellent player but if we think that it is a like for like we are getting there we are all kidding ourselves.

The hole left will have to be made up across several positions throughout the team. Less goals out at the back and more from midfield are important.

I'm a little frightened that you think Borini could play no.9 for us. The lad is a decent player and puts in 100% every shift but he doesn't score enough goals. In his "brilliant" loan spell at Sunderland last season he scored 7 in 32. For the right offer I'd happily accept it.

My no.1 outcome is still to keep Suarez and strengthen throughout. Unlikely though.

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29 Jun 2014 10:18:29
Hello all,

Here is an idea for you. Sell Suarez and with us accepting Agger will more than likely be sold, buy Chiellini as Agger replacement. He is a quality defender and has acted with honor and integrity throughout this whole ordeal in my opinion.

By the way, I do realise this would never happen, just think Chiellini has been very professional and deserves a mention.

Thank you.

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Maybe he will have got some of the Suarez magic from the passsing of DNA from the bite. Then again, if this is some old Uruaguayian wearwolf thing, we could risk that he does around biting players too - like in that film World War Z.

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Once bitten

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Maybe he wants an army of biters to take over world football.

He should start with biting the refs to get away with it though!

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29 Jun 2014 14:41:34
Why don't we go around and get players who've been bitten by Luis. Some point made!

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29 Jun 2014 09:18:36
Hi eds
with sanchez leaving barca not based on his ability is he highly thought of by the coaching staff there?
Does Messi not like him because he's a threat to him or just clash of personalities?
Really hope we get him, outstanding player
Thanks eds

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona are rebuilding with a new coach and the knowledge that they may not be able to buy again before January 2016. Sanchez and Messi are not the best of chums but Sanchez has also been seen as inconsistent.}

29 Jun 2014 09:11:02
Hi eds, now that the Lallana deal is very close to being done for around the 25mil and shaw to Man U for around 30 I just want to know how we got lallana cheaper than Man U got shaw? Not complaining but just don't understand and wanted to know if you could explain? Lallana is much better and shaw is 18, I am glad we didn't go for him, 30mil seems ridiculous for him

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{Ed002's Note - We have no interest in discussing many.]

29 Jun 2014 08:54:51
Liverpool FC have not had any kinda bid for Sanchez. That's assured. But to have any deal over Suarez. Barca would keep him on the table.
Its not always a necessary to bid a player.
The only reason Barca haven't accepted Sanchez transfer is to see out a deal with Liverpool for Suarez.

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona as recently as Thursday offered Sanchez as part of a deal for another player. Barcelona are not going to waiting on Liverpool for anything Harry.}

29 Jun 2014 09:00:10
Then They would walk away to Spain with Peanuts in hand from Melwood.
I wish FSG show them whose the boss. We ll not loose anything, Suarez don't care which shirt he wears, he is a machine, Will score goals in a Red or Blue shirt.

I assume they wanna exchange him with Kroos ed?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what any of that means.}

29 Jun 2014 09:05:56
If Sanchez isn't part of any deal, Then Keep Suarez, Try your best at his absence, Once He comes back He would the same as last season, scoring goals.

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{Ed002's Note - The club will want him gone - the financial risk of keeping him is far too high.}

Show them whose boss! Come on Harry don't be silly! :)

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Is home fan actually from the UK? It's difficult to understand him.

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29 Jun 2014 10:46:10
Ed002 are you saying that this recent indiscretion has lowered his price?
Throughout all of his bans his price tag has simply gone up and up so I don't really know what you mean by saying that the financial risk of keeping him is too high?
Do you mean if he does something similar again he will be banned for life or is it the sponsors who will withdraw?
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - The two things now hanging over Suarez - a life time ban if he again gets found guilty of sustained racial abuse, and a two year ban from all sport if he again bites another player. Sponsors are already withdrawing him - some online gaming house has dropped him and Adidas has been removing all of their advertising from the World Cup and have their legal folks drawing up the details to withdraw their sponsorship of the player entirely. Why would you think his price is going up?}

29 Jun 2014 10:47:57
Is the player Barcelona interested in, Vidal?

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{Ed002's Note - They are but offered him for Kroos.}

Harry, I really think the club wants him out. Suarez I mean

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Where are you from Home Fan?

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I think harry is from Liverpool, India and norway, probably a few other places as well.

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29 Jun 2014 16:52:53
Harry is from South India.

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Ed, I was referring to his past bans and not this one.
We bought him for 23 million and his price is now 80 million (just for arguments sake).
So his value has increased since we bought him despite his indiscretions.
Although I do think that this may be a good time to negotiate with LFC because in my opinion his price will have dropped at least 10 million due to this latest incident.
Thanks for the reply as always.

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{Ed002's Note - You have not included a currency. Barcelona will be looking at figure well below that in £.}

29 Jun 2014 01:23:50
I know this is a stab in the dark, and I may be putting 2&2 together and coming up with 7.
But now, Uruguay and Chile are out of the WC, (If any deal for Luis/Alexis has even come up) would it pick up pace now as The key players involved are no longer playing.
I've done a little research but only poor quality sites and a few arsenal transfer pages are saying arsenal are going to bid for him (Sanchez) But on another site. They are saying Sanchez to Liverpool is nearly done.
I get a little bit of Joy from this as they reported that the Herrara to Utd deal before anyone else.

I know I've banged on about A.Sanchez but I think with his work rate and pure class he's the only one that can soften any blow of Suarez leaving (I'm totally forgetting about the bite incident when I say this, I'm not condoning it. But it did seem highly likely Suarez would leave this summer, and if he didn't bite again then carried on in the WC and show his footballing class then no doubt the 'big'uns" would come knocking)

(It may be just me who thinks this)

I just hope BR reads these forums, because I've got my heart set on this man.
The same feeling as when Torres played for Spain in Germany (2006 WC), I had this feeling we'll get him. And we did. So I'm hoping the same.

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I've had that feeling to mate I think everybody wants this to happen, Suarez is better but 3 bans in 3 years is ridiculous!
If Sanchez does sign for somebody else I'd keep Suarez because there isn't really anybody else out there who is spectacular.

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I'd also take Falcao or Jackson Martinez.

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I've got the exact same thoughts in my head, I honestly don't see who else apart from Sanchez and maybe the new star James Rodriguez we could sign to replace him. I am literally pinning all my hopes upon it and i'm pretty worried that i'm going to be disappointed. Obviously it's not the be all & end all but I really think we would regret missing out on him for many years to come.
Come on BR and the board do us this one huge favour, A swap deal makes perfect sense!

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29 Jun 2014 00:29:09
I feel as if Markovic, Origi, Lallana, Sanchez and maybe even Shaqiri would all be great additions however I feel as if adding too many players will change the dynamic we had last season. I feel like players such as Coutinho, Henderson and Sterling will not like fighting for positions they solidified last season. What's your view?

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We won't sign all of them it'll be markovic or shaqiri not both, if we signed Moreno or rojo, lovren, lallana, markovic. That's would be an outstanding window for us.
If Suarez goes then Sanchez in to would be awesome.
Gerrard
Hendo - lallana
Sterling
Sturridge-Sanchez/Suarez.
That team would be electric with a proper LB in there aswell we'd scare the rubbish out of everyone.

I'm more worried about selling Suarez and not getting Sanchez I'd cry if that happened.

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29 Jun 2014 10:49:35
I actually think it will be one of Sanchez/Markovic/Shaqiri.

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If Suarez goes for full cash, we should then re-invest in James Rodriguez! The next big thing. If we paid 30ish for him he will one day be worth more of course.

But the problem we have with Sanchez like a lot of players will they want to come to Liverpool? They are always more keen on London.

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29 Jun 2014 00:12:44
We all just need to be patient and see where sanchez ends up. I would be surprised IF we did bid for him that he would chose united.or arsenal over us. He has made it clear he would like a juve move. let's just see what.happens and close the same questions asked over and over again

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Realistically if we cannot put a big enough payment upfront for Moreno then we cannot do it for Sanchez (maybe that's the reason we didn't go back for Kono?).

If Barcelona (going by one of the ed's earlier posts) want Suarez and given the size of fee we would want, they will not want to put much money down initially then it has to be a player going the other way; I think we would all be happy with Sanchez but there are so many if's and but's - however I would be v happy with Sanchex + £45m for Suarez.

I would hope our outgoings would allow us to bid for Moreno and Lovren to complete the transfer activity.

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Barca will not bid Sanchez plus 45m. More like Sanchez plus 30-35m. Clubs are prepared to pay north of 30m for Sanchez. Suarez won't fetch more than 65m (80m euros) unless there's a bidding war.

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I agree with Anfieldboy, although my sense is that all this talk of 30M for Sanchez is way off the mark, more like 45-50M. If Barca offer Sanchez plus 30M euro for Suarez, then I think that would be a brilliant piece of business for LFC. To be honest, given recent events, I would consider a straight swap to be a great deal, so it's a good thing that I'm not the owner.

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