Liverpool Banter Archive November 29 2010

 

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29 Nov 2010 23:47:34
I wish you get relegated and we get torres

Get to bed! It's school in the morning!

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29 Nov 2010 23:40:05
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I wish you get relegated and we get torres ,

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29 Nov 2010 23:36:51
Yet again Kuyt had a great game, he worked his socks off and ran himself into the ground, what a player!

I agree, one of the best players at the world cup and we are a much better team with him in the side.

YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 23:32:04
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Sad to admit but we may as well be a team in the third division compared to Barcelona. . we have a lot of building to do if we are to once again be the greatest team in europe. Just hope this transitional stage doesn't drag on like with the last two jokers.

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29 Nov 2010 23:28:15
I know Mourinho is not universally popular on here but there is no doubt he would take Liverpool forward were he to come here (which is very unlikely). I do wonder however, if he was to become available, surely he is exactly the sort of man NESV would want to talk to.

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29 Nov 2010 23:26:19
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29 Nov 2010 23:09:54
The reason Jose will never manage us is because just before Rafa joined his agent rang the then owner Moores and his sidecock sorry sidekick Parry and they decided in their wisdom that he was not the right man for the job.

Absolutely true. .

Macca

jose mourinho would definitly come to liverpool if offered the job, if fergie was still at manchester united next summer and roy is sacked mourinho would take his chance to get back into england hes always said he wants back in england

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29 Nov 2010 23:25:51
29 Nov 2010 23:08:55
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Xavi alonso might as well come back to liverpool. He is going to win nothing in spain for years to come. I think that's fairly obvious after tonight. An absolute masterclass in how to play football by barca. Come back alonso and try to build something great in liverpool. We will improve and we will win the title in the next three years.
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This is probably just me but everytime i watch Xabi play for Real he always plays well but he hasn't got the same smile he has when he was with us. Even in his last season for us when he fell out with Rafa and decided to go he played his best season for us. Maybe because he knew he was going and how much he loved the club and the fans his last season was a thank you to the fans.

I think IF we were interested in bringing him back then he would seriously consider it. Lets be honest he's got all the medals he could dream of already i.e World cup, European Champioship, CL, FA the only major one missing is any league medal. But the way Barca are playing he's not going to get one at Real.

But we've all heard NESV are looking to bring in young players and Xabi (29) will not be one of them

(emotional) Blair Mayne YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 23:08:55
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Xavi alonso might as well come back to liverpool. He is going to win nothing in spain for years to come. I think that's fairly obvious after tonight. An absolute masterclass in how to play football by barca. Come back alonso and try to build something great in liverpool. We will improve and we will win the title in the next three years.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

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29 Nov 2010 23:02:15
After watching Barcalona tonight have one question for you? Where does Masherano fit in?

Barcelona are miles ahead of the likes of Macherano

he doesn't if he did surely he would be playing tonight
dont know why they bought him should have saved the money to get fabragas next summer

it is a strange why they decided to buy him

no team are going to overpower barcelona in midfield masc was a player not needed

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29 Nov 2010 22:56:39
Only being 22 years old, I never saw the great Liverpool sides of the 70's/ 80's so I would hands down say this Barcelona side is without doubt the finest team I have ever seen. It's just 90 mins of pure entertainment. I really will be trying to get to the Nou Camp soon. It'll be the equivalent of the Colliseum in Roman times in a football sense lol.
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Fingers crossed you won't have to go to Nou Camp mate. Don't forget the Champions League Final is at Wembly this year. And i know you'll agree they'll probably be there.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 22:54:55
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After watching Barcalona tonight have one question for you? Where does Masherano fit in??

Barcelona are miles ahead of the likes of Macherano

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29 Nov 2010 22:53:44
29 Nov 2010 22:23:33
Yet again Kuyt had a great game, he worked his socks off and ran himself into the ground, what a player!
He never passed to a red shirt, is without doubt, not only the worst player in our history but the worst player in all 4 divisions!
It's an utter disgrace he's playing for us, Roy needs to grow a pair and get rid of the ugly crap mistake that is KUYT!

Finalley someone else thinks kuyt is a big pile of s* t. First thing I'll do is sell him. Bring in a proper attacking winger like payet or n'zogbia.

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29 Nov 2010 22:47:46
29 Nov 2010 22:23:37
Mourinho said not long ago he will NEVER manage Liverpool due to a reason he'd rather not state. Which was clearly - he wants to succeed purple nose at man ure.

No chance of that happening for him if he took the Liverpool job. I'm glad, as good a manager he has proved himself to be, there is a cynical, unsporting personality that he installs in his teams.
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As much as i hate Mourinho mate i have to disagree with you. Of all the teams that Mourinho has managed not one of his players has ever said anything bad about him. All the interviews i've seen with ex-players they always speak highly of him. For me he seems to be a manager who looks after his players, he will always be behind his players 100% (right or wrong).

I don't like Mourinho but would i like to have him as manager? Probably!

Blair Mayne YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 22:44:49
I agree mate, i think that Barcelona are the team and club that everyone should be jealous of.

They have brought world class players through their academy and Guardiola isn't afraid to play them.

They play the best football i've ever seen with the best player i've ever seen (Messi).

They are owned by their own supporters which is very rare. And every clubs fans would love to own their club. I know they have a fair bit of debt now but who hasn't? I would love SOS/ Share Liverpool to succeed in supporter ownership but i think we have maybe got the next best thing in NESV. I said before we may not have the richest owners but we could have the best owners.

Me personally love everything about Barca and i myself am jealous of them but i just love watching them play.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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Only being 22 years old, I never saw the great Liverpool sides of the 70's/ 80's so I would hands down say this Barcelona side is without doubt the finest team I have ever seen. It's just 90 mins of pure entertainment. I really will be trying to get to the Nou Camp soon. It'll be the equivalent of the Colliseum in Roman times in a football sense lol.

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29 Nov 2010 22:38:25
29 Nov 2010 21:48:59
BARCELONA HAVE BEEN OUT OF THIS WORLD
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I agree mate, i think that Barcelona are the team and club that everyone should be jealous of.

They have brought world class players through their academy and Guardiola isn't afraid to play them.

They play the best football i've ever seen with the best player i've ever seen (Messi).

They are owned by their own supporters which is very rare. And every clubs fans would love to own their club. I know they have a fair bit of debt now but who hasn't? I would love SOS/ Share Liverpool to succeed in supporter ownership but i think we have maybe got the next best thing in NESV. I said before we may not have the richest owners but we could have the best owners.

Me personally love everything about Barca and i myself am jealous of them but i just love watching them play.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 22:36:03
29 Nov 2010 22:26:34
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Did anyone see the classico we need that style of play at pool please nesv get guardiola or coyle now!

Kopsan

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but of a strange couple of choices? Guardiola, obviously but to follow that up with Owen Coyle? LOL!

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29 Nov 2010 22:34:44
{ed's note - I would not want him, he is a cheat, he instructs his teams to cheat constantly and in the worst kind of ways. I just find watching any team he manages always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.}

Exactly Ed, I've heard people say Shankly & Clough were arrogant just as he is. Difference is, they still told their players to play football the proper, sporting gentlemen's way. Everytime I've seen a Mourinho team v Barca, they have tried to kick seven shades out of Messi. {ed's note - he even dragged off Marcelo for not doing so and sent on Arbeloa with clear instructions to attack anything in a Barca shirt.}

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29 Nov 2010 22:27:02
Could you all wait until fater the new year to citicise or defend Henry. Give him the chance to deliver or screw up.

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29 Nov 2010 22:26:34
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Did anyone see the classico we need that style of play at pool please nesv get guardiola or coyle now!

Kopsan

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29 Nov 2010 22:26:33
John Henry stated that Arsenal's approach was what they admired the most out the way clubs were run. Just hope we don't end up with a manager who refuses to spend any money made available like Wenger does for them.

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29 Nov 2010 22:24:02
Thank You Barcelona, That was worth paying my TV liscence and Sky bill.

Also Sergio Ramos should be ashamed of his unprofessionalism, And reactions. Arbeloa was also dirty tonight.

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29 Nov 2010 22:23:37
Mourinho said not long ago he will NEVER manage Liverpool due to a reason he'd rather not state. Which was clearly - he wants to succeed purple nose at man ure.

No chance of that happening for him if he took the Liverpool job. I'm glad, as good a manager he has proved himself to be, there is a cynical, unsporting personality that he installs in his teams.

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29 Nov 2010 22:23:33
Yet again Kuyt had a great game, he worked his socks off and ran himself into the ground, what a player!
He never passed to a red shirt, is without doubt, not only the worst player in our history but the worst player in all 4 divisions!
It's an utter disgrace he's playing for us, Roy needs to grow a pair and get rid of the ugly crap mistake that is KUYT!

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29 Nov 2010 22:21:13
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Real Madrid were just destroyed by Barca 5-0 and Reals players just lost it at the end - is Jose Mourinho losing control, could he be sacked? well not yet but if his side continues to play like that he will!
I'm not sure whether I would want Mourinho as a manager; he's a bit of an ego-maniac but he would definately instill passionate play for us if he was appointed. What you reckon ed? {ed's note - I would not want him, he is a cheat, he instructs his teams to cheat constantly and in the worst kind of ways. I just find watching any team he manages always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.}

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29 Nov 2010 22:19:52
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On Adam Johnson and SWP:

If I were Comoli, I would not waste my time on either one of these guys. Both made the same mistake in joining a side where they had no chance in becoming a starter. Same for Afflay (sp.) going to Barca or even Mascherano. Common sense should tell these guys to stay away from clubs that are loaded. I might be biased, but there is a certain club on Merseyside where a young player with skill could make a name for himself. Give me Hazard, Honda and Hulk over SWP, AJ and Milner. The three of them might be English, but they managed their careers poorly up to know.

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29 Nov 2010 22:19:21
Did they promise world class players? No, but they said they want to take Liverpool back to the top of European and English football - happy?

What do you mean massive amount injected into first team affairds? Money you mean? How can they spend outside a transfer window? Duhh! However they did pump £600m of their own money into our club to clear debt etc.

No, they didn't say that about the manager. That would be disruptive and unprofessional. Do you think they are stupid? Its known they have been looking for a new manager, but want to find the right one instead of just appointing anyone, which I agree with.

As for saying Hodgson's job is safe, Henry said it's safe FOR NOW. What a dumbass.

Hillarious and you say I'm stupid. Really! !
Diddnt the previous yanks buy out our debt and actually be the same only later to put us in debt! I think you should read your history on the club. Maybe when you go to school in the morning
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No, the previous yanks took out loans to buy our football club. So you read your history my son.

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29 Nov 2010 22:11:27
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If Adam Johnson signs for Liverpool I will eat my own head

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29 Nov 2010 22:11:09
John W.Henry hasn't made any promises. He said himself that he wants to do all his talking through his actions. Just take a look at what he's done at the Boston Red Sox! Paid $51m for a player because he was so desperate to beat the Yankees to him. Oh yes, and they spent £300m of THEIR OWN MONEY to buy the club, and IMMEDIATLY spend another £350m of THEIR OWN MONEY to clear the club's debt. Did they loan it? NO! Did the "hungry, ambitious" fat yanks before them spend £600m of their own money on our club? Na!

The fact that he's doing no talking displays his professional approach. And he already stated the main spending will be done in the Summer, as prices in January are inflated.

Who you trying to kid?
Red sox is in America and a sport to which the Americans know, love and follow.
EPL is a European club to which they know nothing. The fact they are business men ( just like previous) and the fact it wasn't bought out of love but pure business reasons explain alot.
"We have purchased the club with no debt on the club, " said Gillett when they first bought the club. Sound familiar as if Henry said it?
They also promised more than Henry claiming only the best will do etc etc etc . I am not a Gillett and hicks fan but even you must admit in the similarities between them all the the same stage
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But they invested vast amounts of money to take the club back to the top, became the 2nd highest spenders in baseball (2nd to the Yaknees which is no shame), and took the club back to their past glory.

And listen to John Henry's interviews, he clearly did plenty of research before buying the club. He studied other football clubs, how they are run, and their models in terms of transfers, board structure etc.! He looked at other clubs' transfer policies, he was able to talk about certain UEFA things like the financial fair play thing. He knew Liverpool were a club with massive history, massive fanbase, and great tradition (otherwise why would he compare us to Red Sox?). He says that he plans to take advantage of our global fanbase by increasing commercial revenue, and he wants to stay at Anfield because its cheaper, and he knows its a world renowned stadium. - So is all that not an indication that he did his research? He's spending time learning about football etc. before he makes any solid moves.

The take-overs of the two parties couldn't be more different. Hicks and Gillette talked about spending hundreds of millions on players, promised no debt, promised a £500m stadium, promised everything and delivered nothing.

Oh and our debt is cleared - NESV cleared the £350m debt as a condition of the take-over and RBS etc. confirmed this.

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29 Nov 2010 22:09:43
John W.Henry hasn't made any promises. He said himself that he wants to do all his talking through his actions. Just take a look at what he's done at the Boston Red Sox! Paid $51m for a player because he was so desperate to beat the Yankees to him. Oh yes, and they spent £300m of THEIR OWN MONEY to buy the club, and IMMEDIATLY spend another £350m of THEIR OWN MONEY to clear the club's debt. Did they loan it? NO! Did the "hungry, ambitious" fat yanks before them spend £600m of their own money on our club? Na!

The fact that he's doing no talking displays his professional approach. And he already stated the main spending will be done in the Summer, as prices in January are inflated.

Who you trying to kid?
Red sox is in America and a sport to which the Americans know, love and follow.
EPL is a European club to which they know nothing. The fact they are business men ( just like previous) and the fact it wasn't bought out of love but pure business reasons explain alot.
"We have purchased the club with no debt on the club, " said Gillett when they first bought the club. Sound familiar as if Henry said it?
They also promised more than Henry claiming only the best will do etc etc etc . I am not a Gillett and hicks fan but even you must admit in the similarities between them all the the same stage

Actually, if you knew about the owners, you would know that when one of the investors of NESv found out Liverpool where up for sale he emailed JWH because he is a massive fan. So yeah where in good hands trust me, John Henry loves Liverpool and his wife does too asking us Kopites to teach her the songs. (id gladly teach her)

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29 Nov 2010 22:08:10
Did they promise world class players? No, but they said they want to take Liverpool back to the top of European and English football - happy?

What do you mean massive amount injected into first team affairds? Money you mean? How can they spend outside a transfer window? Duhh! However they did pump £600m of their own money into our club to clear debt etc.

No, they didn't say that about the manager. That would be disruptive and unprofessional. Do you think they are stupid? Its known they have been looking for a new manager, but want to find the right one instead of just appointing anyone, which I agree with.

As for saying Hodgson's job is safe, Henry said it's safe FOR NOW. What a dumbass.

Hillarious and you say I'm stupid. Really! !
Diddnt the previous yanks buy out our debt and actually be the same only later to put us in debt! I think you should read your history on the club. Maybe when you go to school in the morning

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29 Nov 2010 22:03:56
Ken: Well, it's, you know, the final day on Earth, when mankind will be judged for the crimes they've committed and that.
Ray: Oh. And see who gets into heaven and who gets into hell and all that.
Ken: Yeah. And what's the other place?
Ray: Purgatory.
Ken: Purgatory. . what's that?
Ray: Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really sh*t, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
[pause]
Ray: Do you believe in all that stuff, Ken?
Ken: About Tottenham?


"In Bruges" Great flick

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29 Nov 2010 22:03:20
29 Nov 2010 21:46:55
Barcelona have 9 players through the youth acadamy. Am I right but didn't we steal there acadamy manager or something like that. I remember reading something about it. I remember Barcelona were angry about it. Am I right ed? {ed's note - I thought we got both Segura and Borrell from their academy, I may be wrong but yes at least one of them was from Barca's academy.}

Rudolpho was at Barca before Liverpool yes so hopefully good times ahead. Alsp don't forget who brought Borrell to LFC (rafa)

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29 Nov 2010 22:02:35
John W.Henry hasn't made any promises. He said himself that he wants to do all his talking through his actions. Just take a look at what he's done at the Boston Red Sox! Paid $51m for a player because he was so desperate to beat the Yankees to him. Oh yes, and they spent £300m of THEIR OWN MONEY to buy the club, and IMMEDIATLY spend another £350m of THEIR OWN MONEY to clear the club's debt. Did they loan it? NO! Did the "hungry, ambitious" fat yanks before them spend £600m of their own money on our club? Na!

The fact that he's doing no talking displays his professional approach. And he already stated the main spending will be done in the Summer, as prices in January are inflated.

Who you trying to kid?
Red sox is in America and a sport to which the Americans know, love and follow.
EPL is a European club to which they know nothing. The fact they are business men ( just like previous) and the fact it wasn't bought out of love but pure business reasons explain alot.
"We have purchased the club with no debt on the club, " said Gillett when they first bought the club. Sound familiar as if Henry said it?
They also promised more than Henry claiming only the best will do etc etc etc . I am not a Gillett and hicks fan but even you must admit in the similarities between them all the the same stage

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29 Nov 2010 22:01:06
I have not been alone in slating RH over his tactics and poor performances. I said that i'd rather lose whilst trying to win the game, than draw trying not to lose. So credit where it is due RH and the team deserve credit for the way they played against spurs. Bar quite alot of poor finishing Liverpool could have been home and dry after an hour. I have also given Lucas quite alot of stick, but if he keeps putting in performances like that I will have to eat the remaining half of my humble pie. At last he is passing the ball forward. My one grumble of yesterdays game is that I thought we were crying out for some pace in the 2nd half, we had babel on the bench but again didn't give him a chance.

A Winger and full back (both left sided), and a striker in January and i'm confident we can give a CL position a real go.

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29 Nov 2010 21:56:33
Oh yeah because I was one of these soft lemons who believed the previous yanks yet when I question the present yanks promises im wrong.
Did the new owners promise world class players ( no )
Did they openly say massive amount injected into first team affairs ( no )
Did they say no manager is Garuanteed there future unless of success ( no )
Do they listen to fans over new managment ( no )
Do they listen to fans ( no )
Now here's what we do know. They promise to bring in very good youth players in future transfers. They have not declared a huge amount for transfers but merely funds at the right time. They have openly backed Hodgson and publicily stated his jobs safe. Etc etc blah blah. So excuse me for not jumping up and down with excitement wearing dreamworld goggles. I merely stated the previous dumb ass yanks promised and delivered a little bit more in there first few months. You see I hope the present yanks are proper and successful but just hope no more damage to our club. Should I get slated for my concerns show your character not mine. So read properly
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Another display of how stupid you are.

Did they promise world class players? No, but they said they want to take Liverpool back to the top of European and English football - happy?

What do you mean massive amount injected into first team affairds? Money you mean? How can they spend outside a transfer window? Duhh! However they did pump £600m of their own money into our club to clear debt etc.

No, they didn't say that about the manager. That would be disruptive and unprofessional. Do you think they are stupid? Its known they have been looking for a new manager, but want to find the right one instead of just appointing anyone, which I agree with.

As for saying Hodgson's job is safe, Henry said it's safe FOR NOW. What a dumbass.

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29 Nov 2010 21:55:47
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NESV know that only a major spend on 3 or 4 proven top quality payers will do anything to improve our chances of top 4 finish this season, and they just don't seem ready to do that, or at least not in a hurry. Maybe rightly so, although its a shame to leave the current squad to try to battle it out with City and Spurs for 4th place, when a couple of quality signings like Honda could totally turn the tide.
Roy's admitted to looking for a striker, so I'm not sure about Honda being a top target, although he also wants someone versatile, so you never know.
Price wise, we shouldnt be expecting a big spend, and if clubs ask too much, as they do in January, then we just won't end up buying anyone, full stop.
NESV will not pay over the odds for players, and if possible they'll go for the lesser known cheap buy.
We should be looking at any strikers who are scoring well and have done for a season or two, but who are not making the headlines and fetching big prices. That's where Comolli and co will be looking, surely?
There must be some strikers around who are still under the radar, but good quality?

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29 Nov 2010 21:54:12
Now here's what we do know. They promise to bring in very good youth players in future transfers. They have not declared a huge amount for transfers but merely funds at the right time. They have openly backed Hodgson and publicily stated his jobs safe. Etc etc blah blah. So excuse me for not jumping up and down with excitement wearing dreamworld goggles. I merely stated the previous dumb ass yanks promised and delivered a little bit more in there first few months. You see I hope the present yanks are proper and successful but just hope no more damage to our club. Should I get slated for my concerns show your character not mine. So read properly

you tell me then what should or how can they deliver things in there first few months

there first few months have been spent putting the board in place i think that's important don't you they are trying to get the club in order stupid

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29 Nov 2010 21:53:56
Where is Spurs Guv'nor? I was having a good laugh at this muppet. Tottingham have had a hard-on for us for years, never as bad as manure sc*m, but pretty obsessive nonetheless. Come on Guv'nor, give us all another belly-laugh with some more improbable squeakings! Nose-bleed territory for you guys for a year or two now. .before you sink into mid-table-and-3-managers-a-year territory for the next 25 years. Might as well not lose a minute of yappy-dog crowing!

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29 Nov 2010 21:53:55
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Barcelona 5 - Real 0

I actually feel for our guys Dudek, Xabi and Arbeloa. Ramos just go red carded for trying to break Messi in half and then he b*tch slapped Puyol and Xabi. The Spain camp might be a bit awkward in the future. {ed's note - I don't feel sorry for Arbeloa, he was just kicking everything that wasn't wearing white!}

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29 Nov 2010 21:48:59
BARCELONA HAVE BEEN OUT OF THIS WORLD

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29 Nov 2010 21:47:01
You are totally, and utterly stupid and know absolutly nothing about Liverpool Football Club based on that statement. And you probably didn't listen to a word that John W.Henry said which also means you are ignorant.

Oh yeah because I was one of these soft lemons who believed the previous yanks yet when I question the present yanks promises im wrong.
Did the new owners promise world class players ( no )
Did they openly say massive amount injected into first team affairs ( no )
Did they say no manager is Garuanteed there future unless of success ( no )
Do they listen to fans over new managment ( no )
Do they listen to fans ( no )
Now here's what we do know. They promise to bring in very good youth players in future transfers. They have not declared a huge amount for transfers but merely funds at the right time. They have openly backed Hodgson and publicily stated his jobs safe. Etc etc blah blah. So excuse me for not jumping up and down with excitement wearing dreamworld goggles. I merely stated the previous dumb ass yanks promised and delivered a little bit more in there first few months. You see I hope the present yanks are proper and successful but just hope no more damage to our club. Should I get slated for my concerns show your character not mine. So read properly

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29 Nov 2010 21:46:55
Barcelona have 9 players through the youth acadamy. Am I right but didn't we steal there acadamy manager or something like that. I remember reading something about it. I remember Barcelona were angry about it. Am I right ed? {ed's note - I thought we got both Segura and Borrell from their academy, I may be wrong but yes at least one of them was from Barca's academy.}

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29 Nov 2010 21:43:12
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Liverpool to sign. . . . . Barcelona team! that shud win us the league! !

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29 Nov 2010 21:43:06
The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo

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Gillette and Hicks? Hungry? Ambitious? Hungry for money and ambitious for money - YES. They put us £350m in debt, failed to deliver a stadium that they promised would start within 60 days of the take-over, they failed to properly invest in new top class talent despite promising to. They invested literally £0 of their money into the club.

John W.Henry hasn't made any promises. He said himself that he wants to do all his talking through his actions. Just take a look at what he's done at the Boston Red Sox! Paid $51m for a player because he was so desperate to beat the Yankees to him. Oh yes, and they spent £300m of THEIR OWN MONEY to buy the club, and IMMEDIATLY spend another £350m of THEIR OWN MONEY to clear the club's debt. Did they loan it? NO! Did the "hungry, ambitious" fat yanks before them spend £600m of their own money on our club? Na!

The fact that he's doing no talking displays his professional approach. And he already stated the main spending will be done in the Summer, as prices in January are inflated.

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29 Nov 2010 21:40:55
I meant the team name could be Liverpool City and Moyes is the better manager on Mersyside.

First of all being a better manager than Hodgson does not mean you are a good manager, and Moyes has never won anything accept a Mo from the Simpsons lookalike competition!

The Sculptor

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29 Nov 2010 21:35:36
The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo

You are so right mate. They should have signed new players outside the transfer window or at the very least signaled how much money they are ready to spend so that every team could have put a reasonable price on their players. Also, they should have promised us to win the league every year. While we're at it, why did they hire Comoli? You seem like you could the job from behind your computer.

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29 Nov 2010 21:34:32
Liverpool Rumours
Adam johnson will sign for a new club in january and liverpool are favourites to sign him. £10m should do it as city won't run the risk of asking for more incase johnson hands in a transfer request. SWP is also rumoured to leave city but stoke is his likely destination as Pennant won't be aloud to leave Real Zaragoza in january
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If he doesn't start getting regular first-team football, I reckon he could leave. Many clubs know of his ability so he'd definatly have a good choice of clubs.

And I'm sure he'll want to be playing on a regular basis to get onto the England team.

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29 Nov 2010 21:33:54
To the Canadian who reads the Sun. For as long as I can remember, that rag sums up everything that is wrong about Britain, the hypocrisy, the lies, the arrogance and the cruelty. It is to the everlasting credit of every Liverpudlian that that paper will not sell a vanload in that lovely City. I have even seen it advertised in GAA grounds. "GAA. We love it" The SUN. I cannot for the life of me understand how the Sun sells a scrap of paper in Dublin tbh.

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29 Nov 2010 21:33:32
The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo

what do you expect them to do when you can't sign players you have to sort the club out to the way you want it to run give them time you twiddlehead go suck your thumb idiot

tazz YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 21:33:20
Watching Barcelona play tonight, its making me so hungry and desperate for Liverpool to emulate their way of playing.

And say you're a player like Fernando Torres, would you not crave to be playing on such a team and have service like that available to you like that?

Although for me, having a top team is most important, it would be great to see us win in that manner.

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29 Nov 2010 21:32:50
Ed barcelona are the equivilent of football porn lol, do you agree. {ed's note - this is unreal mate, I have to keep checking Madrid still have 11 players on the pitch because it really looks like they are outnumbered! Barca have been incredible tonight, out of this world.}

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29 Nov 2010 21:30:03
The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo

To this poster. . . are u real. . . .c* *head

Ok prove me wrong

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29 Nov 2010 21:29:40
When Pellegrini lost the derby last season, Perez already made the decision to sack him at the end of the season regardless of whether he won La Liga or not.

Same applied with previous managers. Will the same apply to Mourinho? (Personally doubt it myself.)

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29 Nov 2010 21:26:30
Does lasch still play for barcelona or does he just sit on the bench every game

sorry but what a t**t to go there did he really expect to play for them

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29 Nov 2010 21:25:44
Liverpool Rumours
Why can't we play like barcelona? lol its just amazing stuff to watch , they make football look easy , and at times we make it look so hard! hope roy hodgsons watching but then again he would probably say real madrid have been superb tonight and deserve 3 points ha

DLG

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29 Nov 2010 21:21:35
Liverpool Rumours
Well, it looks as if Mourinho might be available soon. Barcelona 4 Real 0. Since all real care about it the title, they might hold a sale in January.

Olivier

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29 Nov 2010 21:09:59
Not sure about that mate. Lucas has been good this season but he is not vocal enough to be captain. I think Reina will end up with the armband.


Just a shout for Meireles. I think he'd make a very good stand-in captain

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29 Nov 2010 21:09:09
The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo

To this poster. . . are u real. . . .c***head

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29 Nov 2010 21:07:05
Hey, I live in Newcastle and was wondering if anybody's coming over for the match on 11 December. .Would love to meet some Reds Fans. .

Blair, Macca, Mushroom? . .anyone? ?


GTH

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29 Nov 2010 21:06:16
Just been watching LFC TV and their recap on the sale of the club. Christian Purslow stated that if our debts were paid off we would be the most pofitable club in the Premier League. . . . With the new UEFA rules coming in and NESV Marketing capabilities surely we are in great shape for the future. . . . THE FUTURE'S BRIGHT THE FUTURE'S LFC

REDNOSE

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29 Nov 2010 21:03:48
The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo
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You are totally, and utterly stupid and know absolutly nothing about Liverpool Football Club based on that statement. And you probably didn't listen to a word that John W.Henry said which also means you are ignorant.

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29 Nov 2010 20:58:43
The problem is . . When they got rid of Benitez they needed to bring in a successful, respected, ambitous manager with at the very least a equal statue as Benitez. Hodgson's record isn't extremely impressive and his trophy hall is dire. He is English, liked and respected in English football but wasnt the ideal repacement. However he is cheap, flexible and not argumentative or authoritative. He fits the bill for a European style coach who has people above to run the club, have team say and able to be the fall guy.
Everybody is speculating who we are getting wether players, coaches or manager. The fact remains they simply havnt a clue. Hodgson plain and simply isn't the right man to the fans but perfect for our owners. The fact is the previous joker dumb Americans showed more grit, ambition and desire to succeed than the present bunch. I for one don't trust these new yanks and can you honestly say we look better? I mean really!. To prove this I bet January will be a dull transfer month to Which will show no ambition. Worrying times ahead.
SiJo

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29 Nov 2010 20:36:13
Although we were beat yesterday, I thought we played really well with great improvement and without Gerrard. I even enjoyed it! Surely 1-2 good signings in January we will be in good shape. Credit to Roy the team was very positive. . just a pity we couldn't finish.

REDNOSE

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29 Nov 2010 20:33:09
Liverpool Rumours
ED, i think its fair to say most of us what Hodgson out the sooner the better as far as i'm concerned but i think he'll be there for the season.Who to replace him? I would love to see an ex player in charge ( and before people start sayin Kenny just take him out of the picture for the minute ), what you think about either Nigel Clough or Stevie Nicol? Just thought i'd throw that out there to see what people think and yourself Ed. {ed's note - Clough is starting to look a very good choice, he plays very good football and is beginning to get the results as well. Not convinced by Nicol, I have seen his New England Revolution side play a number of times and they are awful to watch. We would be watching the same negative, defensive dross we have been suffering since the days of Roy Evans if he sticks with that style of play.}

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29 Nov 2010 20:31:44
Anyone know what happened to joe cole, app injured in the warm up, anyone know how he is?

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29 Nov 2010 20:21:01
Liverpool Rumours
Watching el clasico how i long to see LFC play football like Barca

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29 Nov 2010 20:13:41
I meant the team name could be Liverpool City and Moyes is the better manager on Mersyside. The money this type of merger would make could put LIverpool back on the football map
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No, no and no. Liverpool wouldn't share anything with the blue noses.

Why would we want to merge with them? We are the far bigger club, bigger history, bigger fanbase, bigger ambitions, and hopefully we'll have a bigger stadium in a few years whether it be Anfield or a new one.

Why would we want to give up our tradition and great name to merge with Everton?

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29 Nov 2010 20:07:04
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Er mate firstly your 10 so shut up next it happened on rtr sport yesterday at 5 im a jounalist i do reasearch unlike half of you
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You're the one acting childish and telling people to shut up and making up a pile of nonsense in your mind.

Ok then bambino, give us a link to the interview or give us an indication of where we can find it. My guess is that you won't be able to.
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My guess was correct, unsurprisingly. He goes missing.

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I think his spelling of 'your' instead of 'you're' says it all really. Can people stop doing that please, it's very frustrating.

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And the fact he can't even spell his own job title LOL!

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29 Nov 2010 20:06:44
Liverpool Rumours
People are expecting huge things in January all i will say is DO NOT DO THAT. If you look at past January windows nothing much has really happened i think the biggest signing would be Arshavin to arsenal.
I think Commoli right now will be looking at one player in January at a push two if the right man for the right price is available. Who knows who this will be but i mean everyone can guess or try to look for players that fit the NESV Bill.
My guesses would be Keisuke Honda mainly because it would keep the fans happy he is only 24 years old he is a very profitable player and is also a great versatile player.If they will make a second signing i think it will be very unlikely but if available they will look at Manchester citys Adam Johnson I Don't think city will sell to us 'Rivals' but if they are willing too i am sure we will also be interested in negotiating.

Northwelshredman x

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29 Nov 2010 19:57:44
Liverpool Rumours
Just a Thought . .
Would you sell Torres for 40/ 45 million and buy other class players? here's how we could spend it and how the team would look .
In -
Lukaku - 15 million
Griezmann- 7 million
Filipe Lb - 6 million
Banega- 14 million

Reina - Gk
Johnson- Rb
Skertel - Cb
Agger- Cb
Filipe- Lb
Griezmann- Rm
Banega- Cm
Meireles-Cm
Maxi - Lm
Gerrard CAM
Lukaku- St
Glad to hear your views, readers, ed?
TheRedReason {ed's note - no, we should only sell him if we are getting two class strikers with the money.}

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29 Nov 2010 19:46:53
I meant the team name could be Liverpool City and Moyes is the better manager on Mersyside. The money this type of merger would make could put LIverpool back on the football map

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29 Nov 2010 19:44:40
Liverpool Rumours
Ive heard that if the scores are level after 75 mins, Jose will replace a striker for a left back.

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29 Nov 2010 19:38:27
LUCAS WILL BE A STAR SOON HE S GOT VISION MANY ARE FORGETTING THAT WE ARE NOT DOMINATING GAMES, ONCE WE DO LUCAS WILL MAKE THE TEMPO DIFFERENCE IN THE GAME IN ORDER TO DOMINATE WE NEED A STONG ATTACKING LEFT BACK, CENTRAL DEFENDER, AND 1 FORWARD.YESTERDAY WE PLAYED WELL.KEEP THE SAME TEAM, JUST MINOR CHANGES.

REINA
JOHNSON SKRTEL ? ?
MEIRELLES LUCAS
?(JOHNSON GERRARD
TORRES ?(SUAREZ, DZEKO, LUKAKU)

JOHNSON LIKES TO GO INSIDE WITH HIS LEFT, GERRARD THE SAME THATS WHY WE NEED AN ATTACKING LEFT BACK.AT THE BACK WE NEED TO SPLASH THE BIG MONEY.

REAL MADRID WERE TERRIBLE 2 YEARS AGO, WE GOT GREAT PLAYERS WE ONLY NEED A FEW WORLD CLASS PLAYERS.
NESV DIDNT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY, WHITOUT KNOWING THEY WOULD HAVE TO SPEND BIG ON TRANSFERS.
AND LOOKING THE ARSENAL WAY IS FINE THEY CAN KEEP THE BALL ALL DAY.
BUT WE ARE LIVERPOOL WE SCORE.

AGREE?

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29 Nov 2010 19:37:51
Liverpool Rumours
Torres played like a tart against Spurs!

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29 Nov 2010 19:36:30
Liverpool Rumours
On the alonso front.i would love to see him back in the red of liverpool, because for me he is proven in his position, he is the best passing midfielder in the world.but i don't see real selling him because they no how good he is , we might get him back when he is 30+ but not before that he is to important to the way real play he is a 1 in a million the only player who is as good as him at passing is fabregas

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29 Nov 2010 19:31:23
Liverpool Rumours
HI ED looking at yesterdays performance i believe we r not a million miles away from being at the top again. but the changes need to be rung especially manager we need a brave attacking coach because when we attack we r frightening. also on the player front we need a hard midfield man to allow meireles to push forward. i think lucas has improved but he is no holding midfielder. i think maxi needs to be sold we need a hungry young midfielder to replace him, some one with finishing ability. and a left back my god konchesky is poor he is no premiership player championship at best he offers nothing going forward and nothing going back and also we need speed in our team they r all slow paced players no dynamoism.

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29 Nov 2010 19:25:11
Hey Mr Journo, who do you work for, The Beano or Smash Hits?
your 10. . . .you're 10
im. . . . . . . i'm
jounalist. . .journalist
reasearch. . research

Punctuation 3/ 10
Stupidness 9/ 10
Fluent Prose 4/ 10

How can half of one person do reasearch(sic)? ?
Very poor attempt at trying to impersonate an intelligent human being First paragraph has a sincere lack of punctuation and Er is not an acceptable beginning to a paragraph. RTR Sport should have capital initials. Should read "give us an indication of where TO (NOT where we can) find it". Final sentence (if you can call it that) should read "Unsurprisingly, my guess was correct". So what branch of the NUJ are you a member, brother?

Overall D+: Really should do better, but obviously working to fullm potential. A career with The Sun beckons when Dear Deirdrie retires.
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And your reading skills require work also, as it was someone else and not me who commented about your journalism skills. I merely questioned your fake interview with Honda.

And very petulant also, as you go off on a little rant becuase someone questions your literacy. (And I agree with that person, because it is utterly awful, especially for someone who claims to be a journalist).

You really shouldn't care if people think you're a journalist or not. Obviously when you get defensive and petulant people will question it because 1) you are ranting and 2) children tend to act like you are.

Now, I asked earlier if you could provide a source, or give us an indication as to where you found this Honda interview (then you went into hibernation). So, are you going to show us?
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Apologies to whoever I aimed this at. You included my post in your response, and I thought you were the fake journalist taking a swipe at what I said.

Too many late nights on my part. ;)

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29 Nov 2010 19:16:25
Why don't Liverpool and Everton merge and let Davie Moyes run Liverpool City. Maybe then the glory days will return to Merseyside, like Coca-Cola championship! !

This makes no sense, why would Moyes run Liverpool City?? He's a football manager not a City Counciler

Sorry but when people try to attack Liverpool, please ask an adult to check what you have written, if you are an adult then you really need an education

The Sculptor

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29 Nov 2010 19:11:52
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Heard that Jose Mourinho has brought a place in Altrincham . Could he be appointed new manager next season to reastablish liverpool as greatest ever team. would give him lengendary status alongside Shankly . Proven in premier league

what ever you have been smoking send me some please, looks like some good stuff

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29 Nov 2010 19:08:59
Liverpool Rumours
Some of the so called roumers posted on here make me laugh . u all seem to no something or someone who knows something i will try and post some facts carlton cole will NEVER be a liverpool player i will say 1 thing only and feel free to slate me a liverpool representive has been in amsterdam for over 3 weeks now. watch this space . fact were in talks with a very famous duch side

And you are one of those someones that think they know something! At least others say what they think they know, you just hint, any bugger can hint. Apparently were in talks with a club in Europe about buying a player with world cup final experience, see anybody can do it! ! ! !

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29 Nov 2010 19:06:19
After yesterdays performance I think we saw a much more positive style of play, i for one would rather lose a game playing like that than draw games we didn't even try to win, we'd make more points that way for a start.
Also we all need to recognise where we are at the moment, I am just like you and would love to see aguero, hazard, sanchez and the rest join us but we do need a reality check. We need a revamp of the whole playing staff and to balance that with value for money for example Torres? injuries/ will he won't he stay or go every year/ attitude/ commitment, plays about 60% of games, is that going to get better or worse do you think?.
Older players need to go now while we rebuild without them, Kuyt, well yesterday Kuyt showed why he is one who should go. He is getting on, doesn't have pace, can't get past players and so isn't a winger, hits with one out of every ten passes he sends in, Konch is not good enough, however Mereiles is very good. Ol;der pl;ayers have reached the negative equity stage so we should take what we can get and start the rebuild. We should not be paying wages week after week to players who are not getting games and arent likely too. The academy needs to show who is coming through or get rid. How much have we paid Joe Cole in wages? for what? how much have we paid Jovanovic? wasted money that could be used for hungrier, younger talent.
we must be patient, we must also be bold too though and we must recognise where we are, we should look at potential rather than established. little acorns. .(and that's not a nickname form the training ground)
Eds and readers thoughts?

{Editor's Note: Fair comment.}

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29 Nov 2010 19:01:32
Hey Mr Journo, who do you work for, The Beano or Smash Hits?
your 10. . . .you're 10
im. . . . . . . i'm
jounalist. . .journalist
reasearch. . research

Punctuation 3/ 10
Stupidness 9/ 10
Fluent Prose 4/ 10

How can half of one person do reasearch(sic)? ?
Very poor attempt at trying to impersonate an intelligent human being First paragraph has a sincere lack of punctuation and Er is not an acceptable beginning to a paragraph. RTR Sport should have capital initials. Should read "give us an indication of where TO (NOT where we can) find it". Final sentence (if you can call it that) should read "Unsurprisingly, my guess was correct". So what branch of the NUJ are you a member, brother?

Overall D+: Really should do better, but obviously working to fullm potential. A career with The Sun beckons when Dear Deirdrie retires.
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And your reading skills require work also, as it was someone else and not me who commented about your journalism skills. I merely questioned your fake interview with Honda.

And very petulant also, as you go off on a little rant becuase someone questions your literacy. (And I agree with that person, because it is utterly awful, especially for someone who claims to be a journalist).

You really shouldn't care if people think you're a journalist or not. Obviously when you get defensive and petulant people will question it because 1) you are ranting and 2) children tend to act like you are.

Now, I asked earlier if you could provide a source, or give us an indication as to where you found this Honda interview (then you went into hibernation). So, are you going to show us?

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29 Nov 2010 18:50:22
Why don't Liverpool and Everton merge and let Davie Moyes run Liverpool City. Maybe then the glory days will return to Merseyside, like Coca-Cola championship! !

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29 Nov 2010 18:40:57
Er mate firstly your 10 so shut up next it happened on rtr sport yesterday at 5 im a jounalist i do reasearch unlike half of you
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You're the one acting childish and telling people to shut up and making up a pile of nonsense in your mind.

Ok then bambino, give us a link to the interview or give us an indication of where we can find it. My guess is that you won't be able to.
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My guess was correct, unsurprisingly. He goes missing.

Hey Mr Journo, who do you work for, The Beano or Smash Hits?
your 10. . . .you're 10
im. . . . . . . i'm
jounalist. . .journalist
reasearch. . research

Punctuation 3/ 10
Stupidness 9/ 10
Fluent Prose 4/ 10

How can half of one person do reasearch(sic)? ?
Very poor attempt at trying to impersonate an intelligent human being First paragraph has a sincere lack of punctuation and Er is not an acceptable beginning to a paragraph. RTR Sport should have capital initials. Should read "give us an indication of where TO (NOT where we can) find it". Final sentence (if you can call it that) should read "Unsurprisingly, my guess was correct". So what branch of the NUJ are you a member, brother?

Overall D+: Really should do better, but obviously working to fullm potential. A career with The Sun beckons when Dear Deirdrie retires.

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29 Nov 2010 18:38:56
To all those attacking torres for his porformance yesterday, ur simply wrong, he looked interested, chased down the ball, played on the defenders shoulders and created chances with some creative skills. so to those now doubting his value (ha ha) just stop supporting the club if that's what u call it. i mean u can't expect him to put every sniff away when the rest of the team decide to turn up for once. seriously u always need something to complain about, just cause all u idiots finally realised lucas is a good player and RH actually got a good all round performance out off the lads don't look at nando of all peaple as ur next victim

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29 Nov 2010 18:35:58
Liverpool Rumours
I know Alonso would come back.

Macca

{Editor's Note: But will he ...}

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29 Nov 2010 18:31:35
Liverpool Rumours
Lucas over Banega anyday of any week of any year.

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29 Nov 2010 18:30:30
29 Nov 2010 17:25:08
Liverpool Rumours
What do you think of Marek Cech Ed? he is stalling on a new contract at West Brom, I think he is a country mile better than Konchesky.

{Editor's Note: Don't expect any more left backs to arrive - Aurelio is fit again and Insua is likely to return in January.}

Thats the problem we have. We have to many average players. I would rather we sell them 3 and buy 1 quality defender.

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29 Nov 2010 18:23:00
Liverpool Rumours
Hey ed think we'll get a left back in jan konchesky is no good
{Editor's Note: Reda the aother entries for today and you will see why - aboout an hour ago.}

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29 Nov 2010 18:18:18
Reina

kelly ayala agger aurelio

lucas meireles gerrard

pacheco suso

torres

Anyone like this?

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29 Nov 2010 18:15:20
42 unbelievable well google it and u will see his interview to clear up his interview b4 it that he said hed leave city, , the 2nd one he says he would leave but not now he still wants to be at city a while fight for his place he loves city he said so those who unbelieve it r just idiots who r just hoping he wants to come to liverpool
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When Adam Johnson plays, he performs. He's far better than James Milner and he only ever plays about 15mins a game for City.

Of course, he's so happy sitting on the bench week in week out and will be happy to do so for many, many years to come won't he? (Now I'm not saying we'll get him, but there is a good chance he could leave in the near future if he is on the bench for much longer)

And don't call people idiots when you can't even spell properly you illiterate bafoon.

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29 Nov 2010 18:10:14
Liverpool Rumours
If Sweinsteiger moves to Real Madrid meaning Alonso becomes surplus to requirements is it possible he could make a sensational return to Liverpool?
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Alonso will not be made surplus to requirements at Real Madrid. He's been fantastic under Jose Mourinho and he's by far the best player of his type in the Real Madrid squad.

Plus, why would Real Madrid buy Schweinstager to replace Alonso? Schweinstager is an attacking midfielder. Alonso has played in Mourinho's system alongside Khedira in the holding midfield role, and he gets forward of course. Schweinstager couldn't perform Alonso's defensive duties.

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29 Nov 2010 17:55:21
A note to our canadian fan, please don't read the sun, never never. we have all avoided reading that rag for years. we will never forgive them for their lies. justice for the 96

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29 Nov 2010 17:53:07
Liverpool Rumours
29 Nov 2010 01:08:01
Liverpool Rumours
Adam johnson doesn't want out of city ppl so lets leave it at that

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42 unbelievable well google it and u will see his interview to clear up his interview b4 it that he said hed leave city, , the 2nd one he says he would leave but not now he still wants to be at city a while fight for his place he loves city he said so those who unbelieve it r just idiots who r just hoping he wants to come to liverpool

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29 Nov 2010 17:49:11
I stopped reading after I saw 'The Sun' sorry mate.

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29 Nov 2010 17:42:44
I am from Canada and I like to read up on the prem by visiting various 'news papers' sites. One that I can't figure out is The Sun and their use of the term Kop Flop. After every defeat they write about Roy's Kop Flops. Really? Can't they come up with a better term? Also, why does their rating of Kuyt always make him look like he had a good game. They gave him a 7 when he was absolutely worthless and Ngog got a 5 as he always does no matter how well he plays. Just a few thoughts.

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29 Nov 2010 17:34:18
I think this January will be the most decisive transfer period in a while for us.
Make 2 world class singing or else loose 2 world class players.
If we do loose torres and reina in summer then it will take atleast 4-5 seasons to get back to where we belong

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2 players do not make a team. If we lose 2 world class players, then these 2 world class players will be replaced with world class players as we would have the money from the previous 2 world class players that were sold. It would not take 4-5 seasons unless your talking about winter, spring etc.
Does this make sense to you?

MUSHROOM
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I agree with you MUSHROOM.

Reina would command a fee of about £20m in my opinion. And there are many top class goalkeepers in Europe who we could get for much less than that.

Fernando Torres would command a fee of atleast £35m in my opinion. When on form, he's one of the best strikers and players in world football. And at the moment, he is extremly valuable to our team. He's not at his best at the moment, and many say he's uninterested. If he doesn't want to be here then let him go.

Atleast £55m for the two in my opinion. And I believe that it would sufficiently replace them both. And it doesn't mean that we'd take 5 years to get where we want to be, like that lad claimed. It's not as if we have a limit on how many players we sign each window. I mean, if we lose two top class players, replace them both, and improve the positions that we intended on improving before they left.

In Reina's case, it's hard to see where he could end up. There are many clubs who could afford him. But the clubs who could afford him have goalkeepers: Casillas (R.Madrid), Valdes (Barcelona), Hart (City), Buffon (Juventus), Cesar (Inter), Butt (Bayern). Man Utd have signed that keeper from Denmark and you would assume that he'd be their first choice next season. But selling to Man Utd is absolutly out of the question. Arsenal need a keeper, but I would refuse to sell to them. And Wenger wouldn't even spend a few million on some good players so questions arise whether he would splash out on Reina. Plus, Arsenal have won nothing in 5 years, and Reina talks about us wanting top class players - well Arsenal don't splash out on them either. So it makes no sense for him to move there.

Obviously, it would not be great to lose the two and the preferable option is to keep hold of them, especially as the London loving media relish us losing them and make a frenzie out of it.

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29 Nov 2010 17:26:17
Liverpool Rumours
I don't understand how people can come up with prices for every striker who's mentioned on this site. However, here's one for the editor. Can Liverpool ask Juve to pay up for Aquilani before the end of the loan spell? They already mentioned that they are looking to make the deal permanent. If so, the funds made available could be re-invested in January. Also, what's happening with Ayala? With Carragher's injury does he not become a player you want out there? He did pretty well last year under similar circumstances. Finally, is there still a payment instalment to be received from the Mascherano deal (by the way does anyone regret him?)? That could also be used in January? So bring in Honda, Hulk and a striker who will score goals.

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29 Nov 2010 17:25:08
Liverpool Rumours
What do you think of Marek Cech Ed? he is stalling on a new contract at West Brom, I think he is a country mile better than Konchesky.

{Editor's Note: Don't expect any more left backs to arrive - Aurelio is fit again and Insua is likely to return in January.}

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29 Nov 2010 17:21:47
Liverpool Rumours
{Editor's Note: To take Cassano on a "free" will involve very significant wages - perhaps "rotting in the reserves" is not the best use of funds.}

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I completely agree Editor. We got rid of 2 problems when NESV took over. We don't want to start signing problems.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 17:15:08
{ed's note - are you for real? Lucas was one of the better players on the pitch yesterday, he passed the ball well and closed down the opposition.}
lucas was terrible he gave the ball away constantly and he is not very fast, banega would be much better. . . . . WHAT STRIKER WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? {ed's note - you clearly have no clue about what you are talking about if you thought that, he kept possession very well and played a great pass through for a scoring opportunity. Banega is top class though. I would like Llorente myself, you?}

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I agree with ed here mate. You are absolutely clueless. Just because he doesn't beat 3 people and slot one in the top corner. The guy has had too much stick from fans and most of it undeserved. He hardly ever squandered any possession unlike Kuyt. Actually watch a full game of football and not the highlights.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 17:07:26
Why does our europa league match have to be on ESPN??

Harry5

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29 Nov 2010 17:03:39
If NESV are serious and want to buy long term success they should invest in:

1. Llorente (25)- offer them £20-25m even upto £30m if needs be. .they will take it, regardless of the so called £60m 'buy-out' clause. this guy will be the perfect foil for torres. tall, big, strong, take all the pressure off him

2. Lavezzi (25)- the alternative to tevez. plays more or less like him - which ain't such a bad thing. when we played napoli he was really good, direct and with his bullish approach will do well in prem. £15m

3. Hazard (19) - left wing 'the new ronaldo'. young, fast - pay whatever it takes cause this kids good. £12-15m

4. dimitri Payet(23) - malouda-a-like, but better. right wing. £8-10m

5. gary cahill(25) - no-nonsense approach a-la-carra. £10-12m should do it

6. kieron Gibbs (21) - LB. again pay the price £10-12m and wenger will sell. young, fast and good


obviously quite a shopping list but pretty much covers off what we need. if i could add one more it's be sweinsteiger. .gerrards long term replacement.

off-set these with sales(poulsen, babel, jova, konk, kuyt soto) and you've got the makings of a very good squad.

if we're to be a force again then we need to spend and if the new owners are what they say they are (i believe so) then they will. .but not for Roy

sinner 786

{Editor's NOte: And where is the additional £120M or so going to come from?}

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29 Nov 2010 17:03:12
I think this January will be the most decisive transfer period in a while for us.
Make 2 world class singing or else loose 2 world class players.
If we do loose torres and reina in summer then it will take atleast 4-5 seasons to get back to where we belong

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2 players do not make a team. If we lose 2 world class players, then these 2 world class players will be replaced with world class players as we would have the money from the previous 2 world class players that were sold. It would not take 4-5 seasons unless your talking about winter, spring etc.
Does this make sense to you?

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 17:00:08
Liverpool Rumours
Wait. . Jovanovic is on 100k a week?

wth?

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29 Nov 2010 16:52:49
Liverpool Rumours
I think this January will be the most decisive transfer period in a while for us.
Make 2 world class singing or else loose 2 world class players.
If we do loose torres and reina in summer then it will take atleast 4-5 seasons to get back to where we belong

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29 Nov 2010 16:51:56
Liverpool Rumours
Re: Er mate firstly your 10 so shut up next it happened on rtr sport yesterday at 5 im a jounalist i do reasearch unlike half of you

What a load of s* te - I don't like correcting spellung but in this case there is a good reason to. If you are a journalist you would know that "your" means 'belongs to you'. The words you were looking for were "you are" which can be contracted to "you're". You clearly therefore are not a journalist - if you lie about that then I don't trust the rest.

Bob

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29 Nov 2010 16:42:17
Liverpool Rumours
Y sack hodgson its not his fault. its the players fault.
when liverpool went 1-0 up maxi was in and he never shot then torres was through and he let bassong make up about 4 yards on him
do you agree ed?
ynwa
dw

{Editor's Note: I very much doubt that Hodgson will be sacked over a single performance - and not a bad one at that.}

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29 Nov 2010 16:39:28
Liverpool Rumours
SHANKLY is how its spelt there is no E shame on you, bob paisleys skids

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29 Nov 2010 16:33:04
Ed's note - you clearly have no clue about what you are talking about if you thought that, he kept possession very well and played a great pass through for a scoring opportunity. Banega is top class though. I would like Llorente myself, you?}
well actually i did say soldado, he is impressing every champs league match and scored twice last night and he would be ideal only 25 aswell. I havent seen much of llorente he can clearly finish but and he gets in the wright positions, but he is happy at bilbao and they want 64million euros we defo need a striker tho. {ed's note - Bilbao are desperate for money, they will accept less, a lot less.}

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29 Nov 2010 16:25:00
Roy Hodgson comments in the daily telegraph re manu game

"It will be an excellent game of football but it's a bit unfortunate that two Premier League teams of the quality of Manchester United and Liverpool get drawn together in the third round. I always feel that's a bit sad.

It'll be a cracking game of football. No doubt we'll find ourselves on TV again. We seem to be on TV every week, so I better get my make-up ready"

the only thing i find sad is. .
1. roy hodgson calling a game against manu sad
2. the fact that he wanted an easy game to save his job a bit longer
3. gives the impression that he's going to lose, before we've even started
4. he's considering wearing make-up

as del-boy himself would say - what a plonker!

where have the days when a liverpool manager was dignified gone?
the fact that we're on TV every week and he can't get his head round it tells you everything you need to know. .the Jobs too big for him.

the one thing that endeared me and others to rafa was the fact that he stuck to manure and fergie, he absolutley got it.
this fella on the other hand seems to be in the fergie fan club, like allardyce. like when he joined and said ' i hope Sir alex doesn't get too upset at me joining liverpool' why do you need perission? ?

paisley and shanks must be turning in their graves. .

sinner786

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29 Nov 2010 16:21:51
{ed's note - are you for real? Lucas was one of the better players on the pitch yesterday, he passed the ball well and closed down the opposition.}
lucas was terrible he gave the ball away constantly and he is not very fast, banega would be much better. . . . . WHAT STRIKER WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? {ed's note - you clearly have no clue about what you are talking about if you thought that, he kept possession very well and played a great pass through for a scoring opportunity. Banega is top class though. I would like Llorente myself, you?}

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29 Nov 2010 16:21:46
For anybody who is defending lucas leiva STOP! he is absolutely shocking and just leave it at that, hopefully after yesterdays 1 of many rubbish performances you can all see he does not belong in england, especially for us. And I knoww you guys are sayin "we'll sell him and he'll become a star" so what I hope he does!
We easily need three players a quality winger a quality striker and a quality holding-mid, how about; Ever banega, Juan Mata, and Roberto Soldado. Coincidently the three players all play for the same, cash-strapped squad. Maybe a bit crazy and audatious but why not bid our entire "£35 million pound war chest" + babel + Lucas + Pacheco (loan),
this would benefit both parties as we get three quality players and they get replacements for all three positions and 35million to add even more quality to their side, babel and lucas would very much benefit from the slow pace of spanish football and pacheco would get a chance to show woy his star quality.
Ed Is there any STRIKER! you would like to see arrive, and please don't say Honda or Sanchez, which STRIKER! would you like to see?
And what do you think of this post?
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I'll tell you what I think of the post, total and utter garbage from start to finish, apart from you wanting to sign Banega and Mata.

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29 Nov 2010 16:14:11
1. good first half, should have been 2-3 up but for some poor finishing.
2. lucas (was awesome) and meirelles looked good as a midfield unit, reminded me of alonso/ masch. with stevie g given a free role in front of them i see one problem solved - raul in the middle, not on the wing!

think spurs had two good chances b4 we scored as well so its a stupid comment really
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One good chance from what I remember. Great defending from Jamie Carragher meant we didn't concede.

Could have been atleast 3 before they scored - wasn't good defending or goalkeeping that stopped us scoring, was lack of conviction. Basically, we messed up three great chances.

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29 Nov 2010 16:13:12
Liverpool Rumours
For anybody who is defending lucas leiva STOP! he is absolutely shocking and just leave it at that, hopefully after yesterdays 1 of many rubbish performances you can all see he does not belong in england, especially for us. And I knoww you guys are sayin "we'll sell him and he'll become a star" so what I hope he does!
We easily need three players a quality winger a quality striker and a quality holding-mid, how about; Ever banega, Juan Mata, and Roberto Soldado. Coincidently the three players all play for the same, cash-strapped squad. Maybe a bit crazy and audatious but why not bid our entire "£35 million pound war chest" + babel + Lucas + Pacheco (loan),
this would benefit both parties as we get three quality players and they get replacements for all three positions and 35million to add even more quality to their side, babel and lucas would very much benefit from the slow pace of spanish football and pacheco would get a chance to show woy his star quality.
Ed Is there any STRIKER! you would like to see arrive, and please don't say Honda or Sanchez, which STRIKER! would you like to see?
And what do you think of this post? {ed's note - are you for real? Lucas was one of the better players on the pitch yesterday, he passed the ball well and closed down the opposition.}

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29 Nov 2010 16:12:13
I remember 6 games ago the fixtures looked like we could win 7 or 8 on the 10 Premier League games left in 2010 , of course we lost a few already and now the next 10 games look winable , more importantly it looks like the team is starting to want to play well and win games .

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29 Nov 2010 16:04:04
1. good first half, should have been 2-3 up but for some poor finishing.
2. lucas (was awesome) and meirelles looked good as a midfield unit, reminded me of alonso/ masch. with stevie g given a free role in front of them i see one problem solved - raul in the middle, not on the wing!

think spurs had two good chances b4 we scored as well so its a stupid comment really

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29 Nov 2010 15:57:30
To be fair to Lucas Leiva , he has been getting on with the job asked of him for 18 months now and statistically is one of the top 5 midfielders during that time , thankfully he is becoming more effective now and we can see his merit . Credit is due to his application and effort .

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29 Nov 2010 15:53:05
Pepe Reina is such a Professional he would make an excellent Captain , Reina is one of our modern greats , a real goalkeeping genius . Torres was Captain at Athletico from age 19 years and would wear the armband well . Interesting to see who Roy Hodgson decides upon and the effect that has on the game .

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29 Nov 2010 15:49:50
Liverpool Rumours
Sorry mate but Mourinho will never be our manager.

MUSHROOM

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Could some of these 66 (so far) unbelievables explain why they think Mourinho will be manager as maybe I have missed something. Or is it just wishful thinking? The guy has turned us down twice.
Ed I'm pretty sure you think the same as me?

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: I completely agree - Mourinho will never manage Liverpool.}

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29 Nov 2010 15:48:52
Some people said that Rafa and Paco had a falling out over zonal marking , some people say Chelsea approached Paco and that started his rift with Benitez , and another theory might be training methods , Ryan Babel arrived at the same time Paco left and Babel has stated that extra training - fitness or technical was never allowed during Benitez's time , Sammy Lee would have to tell players that stayed behind - on the training ground or in the indoor facility to stop and go home .

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29 Nov 2010 15:44:06
Liverpool Rumours
Ed - is there any truth in Hodgson leading the race for the signature of that pudding who plays up front for Bolton, Elmander (spelling)? {ed's note - I don't believe there to be anything in that story bar an example of lazy journalism.}
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The story was reported in the Daily Mirror. Need any more be said? Probably David Maddock who reported it and all to. First class clown that man.
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Hmm. . . .4 Unbelievables for this statement? You do realise who the Daily Mirror are?

The paper who exclusivly reported the breaking story that Pepe Reina asked Roy Hodgson if he could leave the club and wanted out as soon as possible. . . . . only for a few hours later to hear Reina deny that he asked for a move and affirmed his commitment to Liverpool! Then. . . . . . they removed the story off their website. How embarassing.

Some people. . . . . . . . . . .

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29 Nov 2010 15:43:38
Liverpool Rumours
Click believable if you think fabio aurelio should start ahead of konchesky

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29 Nov 2010 15:40:37
I think Meireles and Lucas shown us how LFC can boss a game again with only 2 central midfielders in the staring 11 , along time in coming .

Perhaps we might see Milan Jovanovic get a few games as a striker in the 4-4-2 formation . Jovanovic is tall , strong and reasonably quick preferring to play up front , he could be a very useful partner for torres given the right chance .

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29 Nov 2010 15:39:00
I think lucas and meireles showed yesterday that they could become a great partnership in the middle of the park they bossed the midfield, until Carra got booked and we dropped deeper. I Ihink lucas as showed he has more ability when the shackles are off.We are crying out for pace at the back and the wide areas.The thing about it is, RH has this blind spot and he feels Experience is the key to everything.It is not that big a deal losing Carra, for a few matches as long as he uses the games to give Kelly, or Wilson ago. How can they gain experience if they are not giving games.What point is it having the reserves full of promising lads if our ageist manager won't play them.We should not be affraid of losing Carra, when the late great Emlyn, started to wain in terms of pace, a young Alan Hansen was giving an opportunity an eventually replaced him.Lets give one of the lads a chance Roy they might save your job.

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29 Nov 2010 15:36:35
Roy very rarely played anything other than 4-4-2 with Fulham , he even payed around £12 million to get Bobby Zamora and Andy Johnson to play together , sticking with both even when Zamora only scored 3 goals in 1 season . Then when Johnson was injured the following season , either Erik Nevland or one of the attacking midfielders - Dempsey or Gera would play off the centre forward .

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29 Nov 2010 15:34:05
Liverpool Rumours
This is depressing can someone please give us credible news not just made up fantasy

hol

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29 Nov 2010 15:22:30
Liverpool Rumours
LIVERPOOL TO SIGN

M'VILLA £10MILLION
BENZEMA £17MILLION
WRIGHTPHILLIPS£4MILLION
INSUA BK FROM LOAN

TO GO
JOVA
BABEL


REINA
JOHNSON, CARRA SKRTLE INSUA

SWP GERRAD MIERELES COLE

TORRES BENZEMA


OR REINA
JOHNSON CARRA SKRTLE INSUA
M'VILLA MIERELES
SWP GERRARD COLE
TORRES / OR (BENZEMA)

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29 Nov 2010 15:13:20
Put yourself in his shoes, getting battered by centre backs every week, knowing he's not at his peak and won't be there until he's finished this training schedule/ taken a break. We saw yesterday he can't dribble past players at the moment and his lack of confidence in front of goal lead to missed chances and easily blocked shots. I think it's totally understandable he isn't enjoying his football at the moment. But you can't question the effort he was putting in, especially in the second half. I can see him leaving unless we get some serious competition for his position in the first 11. Would be a shame, but maybe we've had his best years already. .

LFC_MIKE_YNWA
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I am not questioning the effort although some games prior maybe we should. And as for getting battered by centre backs? he is a striker and has been for years so he should be used to that. He knows how to look after himself when it comes to the rough stuff, he gives plenty out. Torres at times is a genious, look at the pass he did when Maxi should have scored. He looks like a player that either doesn't want to be there or has no faith in his team mates/ management. Well sorry but they are here and we can't change that until at least January.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 15:09:26
Liverpool Rumours
Having watched LFC play 4-4-2 during the last 2 games , I think it is evident why Roy Hodgson is looking to sign a target man , the right player could make a massive difference in a 4-4-2 .

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29 Nov 2010 15:06:36
Doesn't the Spurs fluke flare up remind you of somebody? ?LEEDS. .LEEDS. .LEEDS. .

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That is an interesting point , for a time Leeds were looking to be force , they finished high in the Premier League and got the semi finals of the Champions League beating AC Milan on the way . It shows that with alot of investment a team can enjoy a brief period of success , but it takes great investment on and off the pitch in the right way , to even stand a chance of sustaining good form .

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29 Nov 2010 14:49:24
Liverpool Rumours
Solution to our left-back problem - Taye Taiwo. We could get him on a free transfer in the Summer, or we could make an offer for him in January and get a bargain (no more than £4-5m surely).

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29 Nov 2010 14:43:33
Liverpool Rumours
SOLUTION TO LIVERPOOL PROBLEMS
1)Bring a young manager
dats alll

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29 Nov 2010 14:36:33
I don't want us to be splashing out £20m or more on a left-back who can't defend.

Me neither, just using his name as an example of someone touted in the top bracket for a left back.

LFC_MIKE_YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 14:31:08
I totally agree with u Sinner786. . . roy must go pls. . .

m'sia lfc fan since 1982

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29 Nov 2010 14:30:47
He got targeted by other teams last season for his lack of pace, he's a good crosser of the ball and technically a good player, but isn't going to improve us anymore than Konchesky. If the Fabio Coentrao's of the world aren't available until the summer, then Aurelio should be playing left back for me.
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Fabio Coentrao would cost a bomb. And I have concerns about whether he is any use defensivly. Any time I've seen highlights of him it's all been of him scoring or going forward, never hitting tackles or making good defensive clearences or anything like that.

And he's classed as a wing-back, and gets most of his recognition for being good at going forward. And I think he started his career as a winger??

I don't want us to be splashing out £20m or more on a left-back who can't defend. If we're going to play him on the wing, then fair enough in my opinion. Better just looking hard and deep, and picking up a good left-back who can defend for £7m or so.

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29 Nov 2010 14:29:47
Torres lacks a bit of match sharpness, agreed, but it is his head he needs to sort out the most.
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Put yourself in his shoes, getting battered by centre backs every week, knowing he's not at his peak and won't be there until he's finished this training schedule/ taken a break. We saw yesterday he can't dribble past players at the moment and his lack of confidence in front of goal lead to missed chances and easily blocked shots. I think it's totally understandable he isn't enjoying his football at the moment. But you can't question the effort he was putting in, especially in the second half. I can see him leaving unless we get some serious competition for his position in the first 11. Would be a shame, but maybe we've had his best years already. .

LFC_MIKE_YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 14:28:18
Liverpool Rumours
We have made an offer for french international striker kevin gameiro for a fee of about 10 million pounds
also the keisuke honda saga goes on with him reporting in an interview " i ache to play in the premier league" " are you aware of liverpools intrest in you" a reporter asked " i have heard rumours and i would be honored to play for such a prestigeous team" souce
also reports out of italy we are been linked with roma striker marko vucinick (spelling) fee about 20 million

now a debate should roy be sacked yes if agree no if disagree
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Sorry I am going to change my mind about Roy after yesterday. .Clearly that was one of our best performances yesterday, we attacked and should have won except for own goal and last minute kick in the teeth. I agree he wanted to settel for 1 -0 and who would not away at Spurs
So We will wait for the summer and if we finish in top four then may be another season with roy.

Lankan Red

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29 Nov 2010 14:22:20
{Editor's Note: I expect Insua to return in January - there will be no other left backs coming.}

He got targeted by other teams last season for his lack of pace, he's a good crosser of the ball and technically a good player, but isn't going to improve us anymore than Konchesky. If the Fabio Coentrao's of the world aren't available until the summer, then Aurelio should be playing left back for me.

Soto shouldn't get paid this week, lack of professionalism in not getting ready quickly then his mind was totally elsewhere costing us the point. He needs to go, he's just blocking the young centre backs getting their opportunity. Kuyt had another shocker, at one point he gave away possession 5 out of 6 touches in about 3/ 4 minutes of play, the other time he rolled it sideways.

Thought Maxi, Lucas and Merieles were our best players yesterday and at least we created, unlike Stoke away.

LFC_MIKE_YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 14:09:35
Sorry but wright-Phillips like Joe Cole is two years past his prime

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MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 14:05:17
I don't think Torres has anymore to give, as I understand it, Torres has had to go on a fitness programme intended to increase his core stability and strength, similar to what Rooney did in the USA, because of his injuries. This means although he's fit, he is lacking the sharpness to be playing at his usual level. Really, he should have time off like Rooney was given, but we don't have the resources to allow that, so he has to play while going though this training and the lack of sharpness is what's causing his frustration on the pitch. Simply, to get the old Torres back his body needs a break.

As for Cole getting the armband, no chance, he's only played a handful of games, plus coming back from injury he won't last the full 90, it's almost certainly going to be given to Reina.

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Torres lacks a bit of match sharpness, agreed, but it is his head he needs to sort out the most.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 14:05:02
THIS IS ANFIELD. The sign is above the entrance to the pitch. The N should be removed because no-one has respect for it anymore. The staff is trying to very hard to improve it - let's face it they throw a load of manure on it every couple of weeks!
Mal 41

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29 Nov 2010 13:49:37
I don't think torres will be happy if we sign either elmander, carlton cole or samaras, there giant leaps backwards

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29 Nov 2010 13:42:32
Liverpool Rumours
The difference in quality between us & spurs was telling in last night's game. I hope Comolli/ Hodgson have identified our lack of pace on the flanks and working towards getting quality wingers. BTW any chance we can expect 4 - 5 players coming in Jan?

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29 Nov 2010 13:41:18
The plus points. .

1. good first half, should have been 2-3 up but for some poor finishing.
2. lucas (was awesome) and meirelles looked good as a midfield unit, reminded me of alonso/ masch. with stevie g given a free role in front of them i see one problem solved - raul in the middle, not on the wing!

the bad points. .

RH is not in control, or he is. either way needs to be got rid of. why you ask? because we were sitting so deep in the 2nd half that they were bound to score.
which begs the question, why? if the players took it upon themselves then he's not in control, or if he told them to sit back then he needs his head checking as you're asking for trouble.

even though we did better, i still feel strongly that Roy is not the man to change our fortunes.
after watching the last 3-4 games, i'm convinced.
and i'm also thnik NESV/ comolli know this too and are looking for our next manager.

his press conferences/ interviews are so stupid, he talks so much nonsense. the best thing he could do is keep it short and simple. he seems to trying to over-justify everything. best just to keep quiet.

he said himself judge me after 10 games, and if you use that barometer then he should be removed. i mean ancelotti's under pressure as they've lost/ drawn last few games - yet they're still up there. so if you use that gauge then roy's a goner.

as for players most did ok, except for konchesky who seriously looks out of his depth. fabio has to take over LB slot once fully fit(even insua was not this bad)

overall the players need a shot in the arm, with someone like dalglish coming in till end of season. he would bring back a sense of pride to the shirt, show some fight and passion for the team rather than slaggin them off. plus more than anything we'll play good football from start to finish, rather than the odd half.

on a final point, he's told us enough times about his experience. what he never mentions is his away record, which has to be amongst, if not THE, worst of any experienced manager. this in itself is a very valid reason to move him on.

i always support my team and i'm not having a go a Roy for the sake of it, but with actual valid reasons.
in my opinion this malaise will not stop until Roy is gone

ynwa

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29 Nov 2010 13:35:34
Liverpool Rumours
If LFC wants to compete with the best than we need to sign players of the quality that the Man u, chelsea and arsenal want. Yet we hear that there will be no signing in January 2011. I am afraid that we shall loose the stars, we wil gol down the table. In the future there shall be no world class players coming our way.

LFC will have to retain their current stars and improve on the quality of players we have to complete the season in a reasonable position that will allow us to get world class players. We are in a hopeless situation at the moment, no class players and our league position suggests that we shall loose out the CL again.

where has it said we won't be buying anyone in Jan. New owners are in and this is the first chance to change things on the pitch. I do believe the summer will be the real yard stick to where we are heading but can't honestly see us not doing something in Jan. Dont forget one of the first things NESV done was bring in Comolli whose job is to deal with transfers. So it would be wierd to bring him in and then not get players in come January.

EST.1892

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29 Nov 2010 13:34:04
Liverpool Rumours
I think last match showed that we do have some depth in squad. . But there are still many gaps, especially We need a new left back, as Konchesky is never good and Aurelio never gets fit for first team. .
And we need a good finisher too, we lack goal scorer. . except torres, gerrard is only one there. . And Torres is still not back to his best. .
Your thoughts ed, who we should look for? Thanks alot. .

{Editor's Note: I expect Unsua to return in January - there will be no other left backs coming.}

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29 Nov 2010 13:33:58
Liverpool Rumours
"The Madness of King Roy" . .

Despite the excitement generated by our first 45 minute perfromance yesterday, the madness has still not gone away.
Today's media reports:
"Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson thinks it is "sad" for the game that his team have drawn Manchester United in the third round of the FA Cup because of the calibre of the two clubs. ."

What nonsense has he conjured up in his own mind today?
Is this really the sum of our fears and worries as expoused by the manager?

I have never been interested in seeding: it strikes me that if the TV companies had their way seeding woulkd reach its ultimate nadir and mean that the final of the FA Cup would be Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal and Man City, with them telling the rest - "you only play until the semi-finals."
It could be that the final of the Champions' League is decided as Real Madrid v Bayern Munich and a similar message is given to everyone else.
After all, it would be 'a disaster' for the FA Cup (or should we say moneymen, sponsors and TV people) if the final was Torquay v Bolton or in the Champions' League if it was Cluj v Basel.
But for me, it's about the excitement.
Has our manager failed to realise that games such as us v Man U have to be played at some stage. Okay, we all want to be in a final, but we take each game as it comes don't we?
Scrap seeding and scrap the nonsense about 'people don't want to see us playing big teams in the first round!"
We do!
They have seeding at Wimbledon becuase they WANT Nadfal v Federer in the Final.
It's the same as every other sport.
If we accept this nonsense, then the game is purely a chess game for the media and powerbrokers of the game.
They will decide who is in the last eight and the game will finally (it's on it's long way down now) implode under its own importance.
If you're one of those that agrees with seeding, then in the light of my comments, please tell us why we need it?
If Man U or Man City or us draw Arsenal or Spurs in the first round of the FA Cup, then if your team is good enough it will get through.
Trying to artificially rig the draw so the strong teams make it through to the final can ONLY be because the FA, PL, sponsiors and TV companies want those teams in the last four of the event to generate income.
FINE - don't have a problem with that, but we as fans need to understand what it means.
We (the larger clubs) already have byes until the thrid round, so what happens when they say, there are eight Premier League teams that will only come into the draw when we are down to the last 16?
Don't shake your head - it could be the next step.
After all, why is our manager 'saddened' at drawing another PL team so early?
If seeding is to stay (and it will grow in terms of its requirements for clubs) then we should accept that we are not a 'real sport' in terms of competition. We are chess game that has had some of its rules shaped and moulded to suit the outside bodies that run the game - and we the fans?
' Just shut up, pay your high ticket prices and we WILL (by hook, crook and seeding) deliver you the top four teams in the PL as finalists!'

Steve Parker

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29 Nov 2010 13:30:53
Liverpool Rumours
Torres for captain = believe
Reina for captain = disbelieve

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29 Nov 2010 13:25:12
If my memory serves Rafa was extremely unhappy about Paco touting for a job back in Spain. Apparently in the summer of 2007, Paco was in cohoots with the then favourite Presidential candidate of Bilbao and that a job was promised to Paco.

It went tuts up over something political and the bloke never got the job and Paco stayed. Problem was Rafa knew Paco wasn't fully committed and had got itchy feet. It was probably the second or third time this had happened and Rafa decided enough was enough and asked Paco to either commit or clear off.

Bob the right back in the top tier Red

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Cheers mate,

and thanks to anyone whos had a go at clearing it up, theres been quite a few posted over the last couple of hours. The genreal concensus seems to be that he was after another job and and fell out with Rafa. Ill guess wel never know the exact truth but at least I have a couple of awnsers.

Cheers
Bob Loblaw

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29 Nov 2010 13:20:12
Keep going :)
fan til i die.

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You are soooooooooo brave

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29 Nov 2010 13:19:35
I think Roy should do what Mancini did with Tevez, and pass the armband to Torres, I think we will see a better, committed, hungry Torres.

But whats the bet if Cole is fit, Roy will give it to him.
Roy
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I don't think Torres has anymore to give, as I understand it, Torres has had to go on a fitness programme intended to increase his core stability and strength, similar to what Rooney did in the USA, because of his injuries. This means although he's fit, he is lacking the sharpness to be playing at his usual level. Really, he should have time off like Rooney was given, but we don't have the resources to allow that, so he has to play while going though this training and the lack of sharpness is what's causing his frustration on the pitch. Simply, to get the old Torres back his body needs a break.

As for Cole getting the armband, no chance, he's only played a handful of games, plus coming back from injury he won't last the full 90, it's almost certainly going to be given to Reina.

LFC_MIKE_YNWA

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29 Nov 2010 13:19:10
I thought this was a bit strange myself, Isnt the job of the boss and liverpool suporting staff to be telling the greek when to warm up and when to get his kit on, why is carra organising the bench as hes leaving the field, havent seen that since I last watched a player manager. Fair play to JC but what is going on!

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Carragher didn't want to leave us with 10 men that's all. The greek started to warm up as Carra was coming off and he realised that Spurs had the momentum with them. You will never keep Carra quiet on the pitch or in the changing room. If you cut him open it would say LIVERPOOL all the way through him.

MUSHROOM

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Theres no doubt about that mate, Carragher is liverpool through and through and id never want him to shut up, I love his passion. It was more a point about the bench and was just wondering why they looked like they had had never seen a sub before let alone organise one and why Roy seemed happy just to sit there, Id expect him to be doing the shouting. I wasn't one of Rafa's biggest fans when it came to his substitutions but Rafa used to have stuff like that organised and would definatley be controlling the situation, and rightly so its the managers job. Not a major issue but im an erratic fan and on match days, like yesterdays, things like that wind me up.


Bob Loblaw

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29 Nov 2010 13:16:39
MUSHROOM,

I was totally agreeing with you, just thought i'd add my own 2 pence worth.

And i've just noticed what Torres did at the penalty after a poster on here mentioned it. He didn't even flinch or begin to look round when it became clear Defoe missed it.

The sign of someone really struggling with himself and his form?

Bob the Red
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Appologies for misreading your post.
Torres needs to get his head sorted and soon. I thought after the 2 goals against Chelski he would be somewhere near, but it seems 2 steps forward then 2 steps back.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 13:15:30
If LFC wants to compete with the best than we need to sign players of the quality that the Man u, chelsea and arsenal want. Yet we hear that there will be no signing in January 2011. I am afraid that we shall loose the stars, we wil gol down the table. In the future there shall be no world class players coming our way.

LFC will have to retain their current stars and improve on the quality of players we have to complete the season in a reasonable position that will allow us to get world class players. We are in a hopeless situation at the moment, no class players and our league position suggests that we shall loose out the CL again.
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Thing is mate, clubs won't want to sell their good players in the January transfer window and if they eventually do, then the prices will significantly rise - we won't want to be paying over the odds for players and moreso, we don't want people to think that we're gona pay anything for a player and then clubs increase their prices when we make a move for a player like they do at City or Chelsea.

I think we'll get atleast one good player in the window. Would love it to be Adam Johnson

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29 Nov 2010 13:14:28
Liverpool Rumours
LFC TOP FIVE TARGETS. . IN MY OPINION:

1. A. JOHNSON
2. E. BANEGRA
3. NEYMAR
4. MATA
5. D. SANTON

WOULD THESE IMPROVE OUR TEAM ED, WOULD THEY FIT INTO THE NESV CRITERIA FOR TRANSFERS? {ed's note - they would defo improve the team, hard to say if they would fit in with NESV's criteria though, they do seem to fit.}

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29 Nov 2010 13:12:38
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Ed's note - I think you will have to get used to him this season, NESV want to get the right man, they will wait to get him. They are looking for a man to come in for 10 years rather than just making do with who they can get.}
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In that case mate, I think there are two ideal candidates - Quique Sanchez Flores and Andre Vilas Boas.

I don't know much about Boas, but people seem to compare him to Mourinho, but with a more attacking style. I like that tbh.

Sanchez Flores, I rate highly. He's a hungry and ambitious manager. He has an energy about him, and has experience at top clubs (Valencia, A.Madrid, Benfica). Valencia were lingering in the bottom half and struggling financially and he came in and turned things around. Oversaw consecutive CL qualifications and got Valencia to the quarter-final. And at any club he's been at he's had fantastic relationships with all of his players and has proved excellent at dealing with players. He is tactically shrewd, and doesn't shy away from attacking either. And look what he's done at A.Madrid. He would give Liverpool a football style that the fans have craved and a big bonus is that he already speaks good English. Flores seems to tick all the boxes that we want in a manager, he's 46 so he could definatly be here for the long haul, and he's a talented manager. Perfect candidate in my opinion.

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29 Nov 2010 13:06:55
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Signing Elmander (29) would go against NESV's claims that they will only sign young players. I don't think he is coming, and rightly so. Not good enough anyway.

If we sign Carlton Cole I have lost the little faith I had in Roy/ Comolli.

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i already have no faith in Woy. Comolli is TBC!

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29 Nov 2010 13:06:05
Liverpool Rumours
If LFC wants to compete with the best than we need to sign players of the quality that the Man u, chelsea and arsenal want. Yet we hear that there will be no signing in January 2011. I am afraid that we shall loose the stars, we wil gol down the table. In the future there shall be no world class players coming our way.

LFC will have to retain their current stars and improve on the quality of players we have to complete the season in a reasonable position that will allow us to get world class players. We are in a hopeless situation at the moment, no class players and our league position suggests that we shall loose out the CL again.

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29 Nov 2010 12:57:10
MUSHROOM,

I was totally agreeing with you, just thought i'd add my own 2 pence worth.

And i've just noticed what Torres did at the penalty after a poster on here mentioned it. He didn't even flinch or begin to look round when it became clear Defoe missed it.

The sign of someone really struggling with himself and his form?

Bob the Red

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29 Nov 2010 12:57:09
Liverpool Rumours
"jovanovic is on over £100K"

Is that true?
If so what moron would sanction that sort of deal?

{Editor's Note: It would have been Benitez - and is a direct result of the player coming in on a free transfer. Effectively the club agrres to pay the player £xM over the legth of the contract at £xk per wek/month. This is fairly common practice.}

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29 Nov 2010 12:51:24
If my memory serves Rafa was extremely unhappy about Paco touting for a job back in Spain. Apparently in the summer of 2007, Paco was in cohoots with the then favourite Presidential candidate of Bilbao and that a job was promised to Paco.

It went tuts up over something political and the bloke never got the job and Paco stayed. Problem was Rafa knew Paco wasn't fully committed and had got itchy feet. It was probably the second or third time this had happened and Rafa decided enough was enough and asked Paco to either commit or clear off.

Bob the right back in the top tier Red

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29 Nov 2010 12:44:27
MUSHROOM, i think you'll find that the greek was as switched on when he went on the pitch as he was when Carra took literary 3 mins to get off the field and he still wasn't prepared or even ready.

In the three aerial duels he had with Crouch he lost two (the last leading to the goal) and the other he actually flicked on for Defoe to score that offside goal.
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I just said he wasn't ready to come on pitch as in had his shirt on. I never said he was a good player. I agree with a lot of what your saying.
We have far better youngsters who do not seem to get a look in.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 12:36:41
"Who is our captain now that Gerrard and Carra are both injured?

{Editor's Note: Possibly Reina - I am not sure.}"


I think Roy should do what Mancini did with Tevez, and pass the armband to Torres, I think we will see a better, committed, hungry Torres.

But whats the bet if Cole is fit, Roy will give it to him.
Roy

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29 Nov 2010 12:35:16
Re:captaincy

Ed - if Nando was given the captains armband for a few weeks - do you think this would help him get his confidence back - give him something else to think about? Would this bond him more to our great club ?
Hit believable if you think it'd be a good idea, unbelievable otherwise. .

RedTed

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29 Nov 2010 12:34:47
I agree with andy gray - what a mango david ngog is covering his face in a wall.

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29 Nov 2010 12:29:25
"Hopfully the ed might know or someone else. Does anyone know the reason why Paco left suddenley before the Derby County game when Rafa was in charge. He had worked with Rafa for 11 years and then just left and there was never any reason given, as far as I am aware anyway. It was a shame as I herd good things about his methods and the fitness levels. I can on;y assume he fell out with Rafa or the club would have stated the reason. Does anyone know?

Bob Loblaw

{Editor's Note: You probably need input from others but all I recall was that he and Rafa had a falling out over something.}

Did Rafa not find out about Paco talking to another club or something along those lines & wasn't best pleased. I'm not 100% certain tho.

The Irish Rover"


From the stories I read hear and forums like this, apparently Rafa found out that Paco was talking to Jose Mourinho and was not too pleased.
But my guess is Espanyol offered him the technical director job which would have been a step forward for him (in terms of job role) and that is the innocent reason for his departure.
Roy

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29 Nov 2010 12:25:08
Liverpool Rumours
Can I chuck a bit of contraversy in and say who I'd like as my next manager - none other than a short trip accross the park for David Moyes. I genuinely think, pound for pound, he's the best manager in the league. However I've got to say Owen Coyle as a manager excites me as well.

Any thoughts? ?

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29 Nov 2010 12:24:47
Liverpool Rumours
In relation to my previous post on Mourinho and Maradonna, I was not stating that I believe that to be the direction the club will go in, I was just simply stating that if you believe all that can be seen then there are many managers and players were going to be bringing in!

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29 Nov 2010 12:23:52
Liverpool Rumours
Sorry but wright-Phillips like Joe Cole is two years past his prime

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29 Nov 2010 12:21:27
I never agreed with Roy as manager from the start, but he is so I will support. I think he gets far too much flack though. If he sets his teams out like he did against Spurs, especially the first half, then I think we will do well. Stay away from the negative tactics. We play our best football when the players can go out and express themselves. He just needs to learn what not to say in press conferences and interviews.

MUSHROOM

id have thought a man with 30 odd yrs as a manager should be able to speak to the press without putting his foot in it all the time. i agree that the players are better when allowed to express, but roy seems to revert back to type (defensive, negative) everytime we are in front. i don't claim to be a footy expert (just a dopey brickie) but even i can see that if you are leading and playing well, don't change things. just think roy needs to grow a set of balls. he would have far more respect than he has now.
big steve177

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29 Nov 2010 12:20:15
MUSHROOM, i think you'll find that the greek was as switched on when he went on the pitch as he was when Carra took literary 3 mins to get off the field and he still wasn't prepared or even ready.

In the three aerial duels he had with Crouch he lost two (the last leading to the goal) and the other he actually flicked on for Defoe to score that offside goal.

You have a role to play even on the bench. The first thought on his mind when Carra went down was 'i could be on here'. He had 88 mins to watch the match and know exactly what he was going to be up against.

But alas it was the last thing on his mind. You have to question the preparation of the Modern day Pro when they supply very amateurish evidence of being anything but.

It is this sort of small but significant behaviour that the likes of Carra, Gerrard, Torres and Reina are finding very difficult to accept. They shouldn't be subjected to it at Liverpool.

I wouldn't stand for it either. If you want to be the best, you have to play with the best who perform at every level at highest standards. The likes of Kyriagos and Konchesky will unfortunately be the reasons why we will lose our top class players because they do things like they did on Sunday.

If i were in Torres and Reina's shoes i'd be pretty pished about what i was being subjected to. This wasn't on the table when we signed them

"Come Fernando, come to Liverpool we have the best players one and a half million can buy"

"Really? You can promise me that i get to play with top quality players? I mean it's tough decision to up roots and move to another Country but if Paul and Soto are going to be there, where do i sign?"

Bob the Red

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29 Nov 2010 12:15:04
I thought this was a bit strange myself, Isnt the job of the boss and liverpool suporting staff to be telling the greek when to warm up and when to get his kit on, why is carra organising the bench as hes leaving the field, havent seen that since I last watched a player manager. Fair play to JC but what is going on!

Bob Loblaw
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Carragher didn't want to leave us with 10 men that's all. The greek started to warm up as Carra was coming off and he realised that Spurs had the momentum with them. You will never keep Carra quiet on the pitch or in the changing room. If you cut him open it would say LIVERPOOL all the way through him.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 12:08:18
Liverpool Rumours
Elmander wouldn't hit a cows apse with a barn door, hes brutal, defo not good enough,
Ronnie Whelans Hair

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29 Nov 2010 12:04:51
You have to respect Carra, shouting at the greek to hurry up and get on the pitch when he was walking off with a dislocated shoulder. If only we had more with this sort of passion and commitment.

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I thought this was a bit strange myself, Isnt the job of the boss and liverpool suporting staff to be telling the greek when to warm up and when to get his kit on, why is carra organising the bench as hes leaving the field, havent seen that since I last watched a player manager. Fair play to JC but what is going on!

Bob Loblaw

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29 Nov 2010 12:02:50
29 Nov 2010 09:53:20
Just a quick question:

Hopfully the ed might know or someone else. Does anyone know the reason why Paco left suddenley before the Derby County game when Rafa was in charge. He had worked with Rafa for 11 years and then just left and there was never any reason given, as far as I am aware anyway. It was a shame as I herd good things about his methods and the fitness levels. I can on;y assume he fell out with Rafa or the club would have stated the reason. Does anyone know?

Bob Loblaw

{Editor's Note: You probably need input from others but all I recall was that he and Rafa had a falling out over something.}

Did Rafa not find out about Paco talking to another club or something along those lines & wasn't best pleased. I'm not 100% certain tho.

The Irish Rover

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29 Nov 2010 11:59:42
Liverpool Rumours
Hi ed, What do u think of Comolli? he seems to be getting slated by all his previous employers.

{Editor's Note: Time will tell. He did very well with the kids in Monaco some years ago.}

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29 Nov 2010 11:53:08
You have to respect Carra, shouting at the greek to hurry up and get on the pitch when he was walking off with a dislocated shoulder. If only we had more with this sort of passion and commitment.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 11:52:59
Please stop asking the ed if aquilani is coming back, i must have read the same question about 10 times and the answer is no no no.
thanks.
if roy can't motivate torres then we need another striker to give torres some competition for his spot, maybe he'll wake up the day he's left on the bench.

{Editor's Note: The situation with Aquilani is that the player was not happy at Liverpool (no doubt aggravated by being here with an injury for a long time before he could play) and made it very clear, even before the manager was changed that his future was back in Italy. He has gone on loan to Juventus and is performing well. He has repeatedly made it clear he wishes to stay in Turin. At the end of the season we will pay the final installment due on the player to Roma he will then be sold - and we will cut our losses.}

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29 Nov 2010 11:31:00
Ermmm i don't want to appear ungrateful Boss, but i'm left footed, plus from this top tier i cannot hoof the ball with all these seats in the way.

And Boss if we don't make any decent signings in the January window i'm off. Speaking to the Daily Mail right now.

Anyway, BRING RAFA BACK! !

Bob the Red (bloody right back i ask you, if this doesn't change, you'll see a sulking Englishman let alone 3 spanish!)

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29 Nov 2010 11:22:44
29 Nov 2010 10:56:19
Lastly will you be asking the players to call you Boss or Sir Ed. {ed's note - it is complete inaccurate! Blair Mayne is to be the new left back, left back in the changing rooms to mop the floors. Macca is the new tea lady, Bob the Red will be the new right back, right back in the top tier so I can't hear his calls for Rafa to come back. Oh and Mushroom is the new kit man's assistant's assistant. But the rest is true, I was thinking Boss would do, that will do nicely.}


Thanks for the promotion Boss. .

Macca
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I'd be a better left back than Konchesky Ed. Who for me was again the worse player on the ptich yesterday which ruined a good performance from us.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. Thanks for putting me in your squad "Boss"

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29 Nov 2010 11:21:53
Liverpool Rumours
29 Nov 2010 07:31:17
Liverpool Rumours
Heard that Jose Mourinho has brought a place in Altrincham . Could he be appointed new manager next season to reastablish liverpool as greatest ever team. would give him lengendary status alongside Shankley . Proven in premier league


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Sorry mate but Mourinho will never be our manager.

MUSHROOM

I heard Mourinho recently stated that he'll be back in England soon as England is were he wants to settle. Now United is his first choice although I doubt he'd turn down the chance to make Liverpool great again should he be promised a nice kitty.
So maybe this rumour isn't as mad as 1st sound.
My honest opinion is he's united bound, well him or guadiola at least. I wouldn't rule him out though.
SiJo

{Editor's Note: No way will Mourinho be heading to Liverpool.}

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29 Nov 2010 11:14:17
''we all say he was wrong for zonal marking. but our defence was good. riena getting golden glove for how many years? 3 wasnt it.
as ive said before this would have been our season ''if rafa still our ship controller. the way it is this season i know rafa would have been the legend we wanted him to be. he had lost it last year i agree, but only after having his heart ripped out of him by owners and board. reported many times in champions league him and mourinho best tactical managers around. its was simply owners that stopped us winning league not rafa.
CAN I JUST ADD THAT I HATE THE WAY PEOPLE SLAG HIM AS IF HE DONE LIVERPOOL WRONG, HE LOVED LIVERPOOL AND STILL DOES AND DESPERATLY WANTED TO BRING US THE SUCCESS WE DESERVE SO MUCH''

Not sure how you can say that this would have been our season. Its a lovely dream but finishing seventh last time was the real indicator.
I always believed Rafa was 'the one' but it just didn't happen in the end for many and varied reasons, and it was particularly painful going so close. Our club has always fought for everything we've won, and sometimes not given the due credit. But to say we 'deserve' , I don't agree.

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29 Nov 2010 11:12:53
Liverpool Rumours
Does anyone think that the last 18 months have been the most troubling for Liverpool in our entire history? I do but I see good times ahead.
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ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE HAD A POOR 18 MONTHS, IN THE MAIN CAUSED BY HICKS AND GILLETT. SPURS HAVE HAD 24 GOOD MONTHS UNDER REDKNAPP AND THAT'S IT. WE WILL RETURN. FACT.
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It might be the worst in recent history but not the entire history.

24 April 1954
One of the darkest days in Liverpool Football Club's history came on April 17, 1954, as 50 consecutive seasons of top-flight football came to an end.
A 1-0 defeat at home to Cardiff City, a game in which the legendary Billy Liddell missed a penalty, consigned Don Welsh's Reds to the dreaded drop.
The writing had been on the wall for some time. As club captain Bill Jones commented: "Things didn't go right for us and I want to forget that season."
Five straight losses early in the campaign made things difficult ¿ then a disastrous December saw the Reds ship five goals in three consecutive games.
There were 3-0 defeats at Highbury and Blackpool's Bloomfield Road, though neither summoned the humiliation of a 6-0 reverse against Charlton at the Valley in September.
A late rally of four victories in six games gave fans hope, but Liverpool's fate was effectively sealed by gaining just a single win from 20 over winter and spring. The stats said it all: 97 goals conceded and just 68 scored en route to a scant tally of 28 points.
The crux of the problem was a lack of anyone able to net goals on a regular basis. Even the iconic Liddell could only manage seven in all competitions, while the club's top scorer was Sammy Smyth with 13 from 26 appearances. Depressingly, he wouldn't stick around to help the Reds bounce back.
Eight years languishing in the obscurity of English football's second tier followed, in which time Kopites were forced to learn the way to unglamorous destinations such as Leyton Orient, Rotherham, Brighton, Doncaster and Lincoln.
Manager Welsh lasted until 1956, with Phil Taylor proving a three-year stopgap until the Shankly revolution began in 1959. Within three years Liverpool were back where they belonged and they'd soon dominate British and European football in a way no Liverpudlian of the 1950s could ever have envisaged.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 11:07:12
Liverpool Rumours
Ed do you think Carlo Ancelotti could be good choice for management? Carlo Ancelotti has always stated his admiration for Liverpool plus it seems he could be on his way out of Chelsea.
Just a thought!
SiJo

{Editor's Note: No chance.}

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29 Nov 2010 11:05:06
Lucas will be captain and rightly so

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Not sure about that mate. Lucas has been good this season but he is not vocal enough to be captain. I think Reina will end up with the armband.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 10:58:48
Liverpool Rumours
28 Nov 2010 21:45:05
Liverpool Rumours
Does anyone think that the last 18 months have been the most troubling for Liverpool in our entire history? I do but I see good times ahead.
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ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE HAD A POOR 18 MONTHS, IN THE MAIN CAUSED BY HICKS AND GILLETT. SPURS HAVE HAD 24 GOOD MONTHS UNDER REDKNAPP AND THAT'S IT. WE WILL RETURN. FACT.

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29 Nov 2010 10:58:36
Lucas will be captain and rightly so

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29 Nov 2010 10:57:06
Have to say i was gutted after yesterdays result but i thought we played a hell of a lot better and i don't want to slag ngog off but if we had another really good striker we would be more of a threat and i thought lucas and raul looked really good too and this is a question i never thought i would ask but with raul and lucas playing so well what happens when gerrard comes back can u really drop any of those 2?? and ive just been looking at are next 10 fixtures and i think if we continue to play like that we could win all of those games. does anyone agree??

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29 Nov 2010 10:56:19
Lastly will you be asking the players to call you Boss or Sir Ed. {ed's note - it is complete inaccurate! Blair Mayne is to be the new left back, left back in the changing rooms to mop the floors. Macca is the new tea lady, Bob the Red will be the new right back, right back in the top tier so I can't hear his calls for Rafa to come back. Oh and Mushroom is the new kit man's assistant's assistant. But the rest is true, I was thinking Boss would do, that will do nicely.}


Thanks for the promotion Boss. .

Macca

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29 Nov 2010 10:55:03
Liverpool Rumours
Sky Soprts has reported that Aqualani could return to Liverpool, but Roy does not want him in the squad.
I feel Aqua was a good player but did not have the time to settle.
I do wish he comes back to Liverpool as the few games that he played, i thought he linked well with Gerrard and with Cole in the side i think our midfield would be unstopable.

Ed, your views.

Nash

{Editor's Note: He has stated repeatedly that he was not happy at Liverpool and does not want to play at Liverpool. Saell him and cut our losses.}

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29 Nov 2010 10:45:21
Am sick and tired of people saying its the players, at the end ov the day roy can not motivate torres and others to make them believe they are the best players in the league. shanks could make a sunday league player think he was the best player in the world, he is so negative minded and makes players think we can have these for a draw era. "get a goal and shut shop." " if we got a point at spurs we could have been proud of it". wots all that about? i want to be hearing list am not happy with a point i want 3 points from every game. id like to someone to ask roy what is his points tally that he would like at the end of the season, as he seems to think a point away from home is good. sir wisky nose down the road expects at very least the 80 point mark, id like to know wots roys mark he expects, i think he still thinks he still ay fulham, win most home games and get a point away and you stay up in the league

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29 Nov 2010 10:41:24
Ed, a question for you regarding your forward torres! watching yesterday his body language was awfull hesd down, hands on hips and shoulders slouched forward most of the time! during the missed pen he walked towards his own goal not looking at the tske! he didn't even turn when it was missed he just kept walking! at the final whistlehe walked straight off, did he actually and honestly aknowledge your travelling fans? there wss no smile on his face for most of the game! does he wsnt out? it looks that way!

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29 Nov 2010 10:34:24
Who is our captain now that Gerrard and Carra are both injured?

{Editor's Note: Possibly Reina - I am not sure.}

I think Dirk Kuyt has had the armband before.

knowing roy it will be poulsen lol

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29 Nov 2010 10:33:58
I always understood, and I think it was reported at the time, that Paco left due to Rafa's insistence on zonal marking. He was the first team coach and dealt with the players' anymosity toward the system. Rafa saw it as Paco's failing that he wasn't able to convince the group that this was the way forward. We all know the outcome.

we all say he was wrong for zonal marking. but our defence was good. riena getting golden glove for how many years? 3 wasnt it.
as ive said before this would have been our season if rafa still our ship controller. the way it is this season i know rafa would have been the legend we wanted him to be. he had lost it last year i agree, but only after having his heart ripped out of him by owners and board. reported many times in champions league him and mourinho best tactical managers around. its was simply owners that stopped us winning league not rafa.
CAN I JUST ADD THAT I HATE THE WAY PEOPLE SLAG HIM AS IF HE DONE LIVERPOOL WRONG, HE LOVED LIVERPOOL AND STILL DOES AND DESPERATLY WANTED TO BRING US THE SUCCESS WE DESERVE SO MUCH

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29 Nov 2010 10:29:33
Liverpool Rumours
The players need to be looked at before the manager is critisized. Had torres not missed his chances and maxi not missed that sitter at the end of the first half we would have 3 more points on the board. Its not roy's fault that they missed them. I think people are to quick to jump on his back when something doesn't go right or the way we want it too. At the moment we are in a transition period and will take time to get out of that, but eventually we will. Now bring on that Sh*te from manchester

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29 Nov 2010 10:29:15
In answer to Bob Boblaw.
I always understood, and I think it was reported at the time, that Paco left due to Rafa's insistence on zonal marking. He was the first team coach and dealt with the players' anymosity toward the system. Rafa saw it as Paco's failing that he wasn't able to convince the group that this was the way forward. We all know the outcome.

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Cheers mate,

Shame I though Paco was good for the team. We started to go down hill from there, In my opinion.

Bob Loblaw

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29 Nov 2010 10:24:47
In answer to Bob Boblaw.
I always understood, and I think it was reported at the time, that Paco left due to Rafa's insistence on zonal marking. He was the first team coach and dealt with the players' anymosity toward the system. Rafa saw it as Paco's failing that he wasn't able to convince the group that this was the way forward. We all know the outcome


paco left because him and rafa fell out over mohrinio, talk wen he named liverpool team to play chelsea and he was seen to be laughing and joking with each other. nothing to do with zonal marking. rafa was fuming to see his no 2 in a way he was. and maybe true or not was paraniod over the team naming, rafa looked at it he was to close to the enemy as words were being said between 2 managers.

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29 Nov 2010 10:19:13
Got to be honest, i have been one of lucas' biggest critic's but this year im beginning to see why he is a Brazilian international. to have so much stick and still improve shows that he must have a great attitude. what are your thoughts on roy then?
big steve177
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I never agreed with Roy as manager from the start, but he is so I will support. I think he gets far too much flack though. If he sets his teams out like he did against Spurs, especially the first half, then I think we will do well. Stay away from the negative tactics. We play our best football when the players can go out and express themselves. He just needs to learn what not to say in press conferences and interviews.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 10:12:03
In answer to Bob Boblaw.
I always understood, and I think it was reported at the time, that Paco left due to Rafa's insistence on zonal marking. He was the first team coach and dealt with the players' anymosity toward the system. Rafa saw it as Paco's failing that he wasn't able to convince the group that this was the way forward. We all know the outcome.

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29 Nov 2010 10:11:20
I agree Merieles does look good. Also Lucas had a good game too.
Maybe Roy told a couple of home truths to certain individuals as they missed opportunities to make it 2-0 at half time and they didn't like that? We will never know.

MUSHROOM

got to be honest, i have been one of lucas' biggest critic's but this year im beginning to see why he is a Brazilian international. to have so much stick and still improve shows that he must have a great attitude. what are your thoughts on roy then?
big steve177

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29 Nov 2010 10:05:40
Keep going :)
fan til i die.

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29 Nov 2010 10:02:57
Liverpool Rumours
I just have to say on the whole we did play well yesterday apart from one player - Konchesky! I do not think he did anything right and he was at fault for the winner, granted we could have been four up before they equalised. I don't think I have seen a worst left back at L'pool. He his just not good enough.This was however a very encouraging team display, especially in midfield. Hopefully, Roy can put Aurelio back into the left back position and hopefully he can stay fit.Konch just hasn't got it and never will ( he is 29 so he ain't gonna improve )His positional play is poor, gets sold dummys more often than not, adds very little going forward, but he can hoof it big style!

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29 Nov 2010 10:02:43
Liverpool Rumours
My friend was at a hotel last night and he was speaking to Glen johnson who was visiting his brother and glen says fernando is not upset about the team at all he is just annoyed at his own performance and just wants to do better he isn't looking to leave he just wants his form back on a personal level.
Keep the faith.
YWNA

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29 Nov 2010 10:00:07
29 Nov 2010 08:24:23
Liverpool Rumours
who is our captain now that Gerrard and Carra are both injured?

{Editor's Note: Possibly Reina - I am not sure.}

I think Dirk Kuyt has had the armband before.

RED BOB

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29 Nov 2010 09:54:59
Lastly will you be asking the players to call you Boss or Sir Ed. {ed's note - it is complete inaccurate! Blair Mayne is to be the new left back, left back in the changing rooms to mop the floors. Macca is the new tea lady, Bob the Red will be the new right back, right back in the top tier so I can't hear his calls for Rafa to come back. Oh and Mushroom is the new kit man's assistant's assistant. But the rest is true, I was thinking Boss would do, that will do nicely.}
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Cheers ed. When will my promotion be taking effect from and does it come with a pay rise?

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 09:53:20
Just a quick question:

Hopfully the ed might know or someone else. Does anyone know the reason why Paco left suddenley before the Derby County game when Rafa was in charge. He had worked with Rafa for 11 years and then just left and there was never any reason given, as far as I am aware anyway. It was a shame as I herd good things about his methods and the fitness levels. I can on;y assume he fell out with Rafa or the club would have stated the reason. Does anyone know?

Bob Loblaw

{Editor's Note: You probably need input from others but all I recall was that he and Rafa had a falling out over something.}

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29 Nov 2010 09:50:15
Liverpool Rumours
With stevie and now carra out for the next few weeks we have no captain who is going to wear the armband for me there are only two choices pepe, or torres , Iam going for torres because he has had experiance doing this job at ath madrid and he was just 19 at the time also giving it to him might just give him the edge he needs to get his game back to 100%
i would be happy if pepe wore it but i just prefer outfield players to be skipper what do you think ed and fellow reds? ?

{Editor's Note: I would not give Torres any additional responsibility until he sorts his head out.}

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29 Nov 2010 09:40:46
Liverpool Rumours
Just to say that i thought we played really well yesterday. I don't know how people can criticise Roy for that display, he played that formation all last season at Fulham, and won plaudits, and now he is using it with better players. Maxi and Torres should have wrapped the game up before and after half time but other than that i thought it was a gritty display and i thought Meireles was superb again. But Konchesky, what you playing at son!

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29 Nov 2010 09:39:33
Liverpool Rumours
I have been a liverpool fan for 25years , and i hate to admit it but we are at the moment we are just a average team ,
The table does not lie there is no way we will make the top 4 this season the europa is the best we can hope for and after yesterdays cup draw i don't think we will do much in the fa cup
Our squad is just not good enough to challange at this time its going to take time and money to restore us to greatness again , all of the teams above us like city , spurs , chelsea, man u
have so much more quailty and strength in depth , i do belive we need a change of manager and someone to build a side and for us fans to keep the faith it will take time i belive nesv will do well for us but we should stop throwing names around as no one nos what they will do or who they will buy , as i said this is just my honest thoughts what do you fellow reds think ed ross {ed's note - I still feel we have a good enough squad to beat anyone if we go at them, we showed that against Spurs, we created plenty of chances and should have taken more of them.}

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29 Nov 2010 09:38:50
Liverpool Rumours
Ed i was wondering if you could clear something up for me, I heard NESV/ Camolli are looking to make upto 5 changes this winter, Those being

Blair Mayne to partner Carra in defence,
MUSHROOM on LM to use his pace to attack fullbacks
macca up top to partner torres

And Roy will be fired on Christmas Day to be replaced by YOU, And you'll be making bob the red your number 2.
Is this true or just paper talk.

Lastly will you be asking the players to call you Boss or Sir Ed. {ed's note - it is complete inaccurate! Blair Mayne is to be the new left back, left back in the changing rooms to mop the floors. Macca is the new tea lady, Bob the Red will be the new right back, right back in the top tier so I can't hear his calls for Rafa to come back. Oh and Mushroom is the new kit man's assistant's assistant. But the rest is true, I was thinking Boss would do, that will do nicely.}

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29 Nov 2010 09:38:46
Heard that Jose Mourinho has brought a place in Altrincham . Could he be appointed new manager next season to reastablish liverpool as greatest ever team. would give him lengendary status alongside Shankley . Proven in premier league


Si lfc

I thought Mourinho was a self confessed Liverpool supporter?

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Just to add my little bit to this.

There seems to be conflicting reoprts on wheather the special one would want to manage us. Before Jose took over real madrid Guillem Balague posted an awnser to a question asked on the ask Guillem section of Sky Sports web site. As part of the awnser he said, and I quote, "I know for a fact that Jose Mourinho wants to manage Liverpool FC, but he also wants to manage real madrid" he also waent on to stipulate that the timing was wrong because of the ownership issue. Now im not sure how Guillem knows this, and whether or not he is reliable source because there has been a number of things he said not come true. Also shortly after this Mourinho said that he would never manage us and that he wanted united. I admit I didn't see the Jose quote myself but it was posted all over football web sites. Im not sure if it is a case of Guillem being wrong or Jose Mourinho changing his mind and I suppose a lot of things can happen in football but unless Mourinho comes out and says different I think we can rule him out of being manager.

Bob Loblaw

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29 Nov 2010 09:25:28
Roy needs to go and take Sammy Lee with him.

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29 Nov 2010 09:13:45
Plus what i don't understand is the way the new owners had somethin to say over some wagers, but in baseball there pay the highest wagers in there league, why complain over our wagers being one of the higher paid clubs in the league.

If you listened correctly NESV have said they don't understand the high wages for some players. These would be the older players and also the length of there contracts considering there age. I am sure the right players would be on the highest wages without much concern from NESV.


EST.1892

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29 Nov 2010 09:05:35
I know exactly what you are saying, but i can't help feeling that roys negative, draw mentality is affecting the players. weve had 3 good first half performances (chelsea, west ham and spurs) and then after a 15 min chat with roy, they have come out like different players. the body language is all wrong, most noticable in torres. i really think the players have so little faith and belief in what roy is telling them that it is affecting them.
you can say what you like about harry redknoll, but his players are all together and have total belief in the way they play. that, i think, is what won them the game yesterday.
on a possitive note, i think merieles showed how good he can be played in his proper position. just hope roy keeps him there!
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I agree Merieles does look good. Also Lucas had a good game too.
Maybe Roy told a couple of home truths to certain individuals as they missed opportunities to make it 2-0 at half time and they didn't like that? We will never know.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 09:05:32
All this talk of getting rid of Roy. It has to stop. Who will come in instead. I can't see many big name managers lining up to manage Liverpool, now that there is this continueal 'sack the manager if things don't go right instantly' attitude at the club.
Roy did nothing wrong yesterday. He tactics were balanced, adventurous wile not being too reckless. Liverpool played good football. If Cara was still on the pitch, no way would Spuds have scored in injury time.
Mireles looks to be a great signing, him and Lucus look like the makings of a world beating centre Midfield. If a new manager comes, he will take time to stamp his authority, change things, influence the players, build a relationship with backroom and boardroom staff. Roy seems to be coming out of this initia period, the team looks good, and we have got some world class players.
Also if we had beaten spurs yesterday by

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29 Nov 2010 09:03:56
Liverpool Rumours
Even though the result went against us it was good to see us play attacking football away from home. There was periods of the game when we were up against it but Spurs always play attacking football and were at home so these periods of play were always going to happen. People are going on about Torres and his 2 chances but in reality they were not 2 scoring chances but 2 shooting chances and for some reason he did not shoot. As for Maxi, he should be ashamed for that effort. There are always defining moments in a game at that was ours. Spurs also had great chances, 2 of the line and a missed pen so it is not as if they had 2 shots in the game and won the game . As i have said before I think Roy should go but we need the right man in and if that takes till the summer then so be it. I have a good feeling about NESV and am sure they are not in this to except an average team. They are winners. If we could go forward 12 months I think people will be a lot happier, we just have to be patient because they can't do things overnight.

EST.1892

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29 Nov 2010 08:59:27
Liverpool Rumours
Re
Heard that Jose Mourinho has brought a place in Altrincham . Could he be appointed new manager next season to reastablish liverpool as greatest ever team. would give him lengendary status alongside Shankley . Proven in premier league


Si lfc

I thought Mourinho was a self confessed Liverpool supporter?

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29 Nov 2010 08:56:46
Liverpool Rumours
Adam johnson doesn't want out of city ppl so lets leave it at that


he does want to leave but liverpool will not get him, city will not sell unless we do become the mid table team that i fear we are becoming.
carlton cole, are we havin a laugh, i tell ye now hodgson f*** off, i hate me speaking ov a Liverpool manager in a way and sorry for language, but its the way i feel never wanted never rated him as a manager, he was brought in to help sell club now that's done get rid, new owners will not get rid yet though incase new man isn't successfull and fans turn on them, as we turned on last owners for trying to get rid of raffa, only way they will get rid is by fans shouting for his head at games, and that won't happen on a level that will be needed to get him out, at this moment only small section are singing for him to go, mainly away games. as that is were a more negative game is played.

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29 Nov 2010 08:52:53
Liverpool Rumours
Roy Hodgson + Sammy Lee = joke no class no passion and no football sense all we have done this season is lump it as far up the pitch as we can and hoped for the best sorry roy its time for you and Sammy to call it a day yet again another poor performance yesterday i understand why NESV don't won't to jumping ship and sack him but common surly they can see this decision is win win for everyone roy gets his health back and we get a new manager or at least someone with passion to do the job untill one can be found not feeling good giving roy money in jan after some of the names being tossed about what do you think "ed" after yesterday result has roy and sammy still got a future

Ramy2007

{Editor's Note: As I have said before, I expect Hodgson to be around all season.}

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29 Nov 2010 08:45:42
Re Torres sulking etc "rumours suggesting" wanting out!
Look at Owen, wanted to win things, so up and left. the rest is history.

If these players feel they can do better else where so be it. Theres always another striker, Midfielder around the corner to fill that role.

Look when Rush went to Juve, Aldridge came in and again the rest is history. Like the Ed said in reply to someones post who would you rather have a sulking Torres who don't give 100% or someone who would be proud to play for us and bang the goals in? I know who i would want.

Obviously Torres is a great player, but i think a lot of his actions and sulking have to do with previous Management/ owners promising the world and not delivering! So know he feels time to move on.

Lee73

{Editor's NOte: If he wants out he should be performing at the best level he can - as it is there will be limited interest in the player.}

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29 Nov 2010 08:39:45
Ed, im all for getting the right man, but how many top players will still be at the club next season? i really think if roy is here for the season (as you say above) the likes of torres will be gone. i know that opens another debate about only wanting players who want to play for us but i think any manager taking over would want a few world class players to build his team around. i personally want roy to go. ive got to the stage where i can't listen to him speak because of the rubbish that comes out of his mouth. any man who thinks konchesky is liverpool quality should not be or manager. im 3 stone over weight, got bigger tits than my misses but im convinced i could do a better job than konchesky.
this should really be a real possitive time for the club after the take over, but i think roy has managed to take all that good feeling and make the future under him seem all gloomy and mediocre. so i think roy needs to go before the damage is done and the top players leave. rant over!
big steve177
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If the top players want to leave, let them go. If they have no dedication or fight for the club then move them on. The money the club would get for them would make it easy to replace them. What would you prefer to have Torres who doesn't give 100% and only plays well when he wants to, or someone who is proud to pull on the red shirt and wear their heart on their sleeve. Torres is a world beater when he wants to be, the trouble is he hasn't done it enough this season. The old Torres would have had 2 goals against Spurs with the chances he had.
We have always had a habit of replacing world class strikers withplayers who go on to be world class aswell. I won't go back too far but just to back up my point Dalglish, Rush, Aldridge, Fowler, Owen, Torres.

MUSHROOM

i know exactly what you are saying, but i can't help feeling that roys negative, draw mentality is affecting the players. weve had 3 good first half performances (chelsea, west ham and spurs) and then after a 15 min chat with roy, they have come out like different players. the body language is all wrong, most noticable in torres. i really think the players have so little faith and belief in what roy is telling them that it is affecting them.
you can say what you like about harry redknoll, but his players are all together and have total belief in the way they play. that, i think, is what won them the game yesterday.
on a possitive note, i think merieles showed how good he can be played in his proper position. just hope roy keeps him there!

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29 Nov 2010 08:38:09
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool to sign Carlton Cole & Charles N'Zogbia in January

as much as fans do not want these 2 am afraid its going to happen. so we will become a fulham/ blackburn/ bolton. the last 5 years we have had hope, but from now on we are going to be happy for euro cup place, with a load of players on everton fc money, owners already had somethin to say over wagers for some players. new owners are looking to arsenal for direction. but arsenal havnt won anything for last five years either. in this day and age u need money to run a club and be prepared to spend big to win, plus what i don't understand is the way the new owners had somethin to say over some wagers, but in baseball there pay the highest wagers in there league, why complain over our wagers being one of the higher paid clubs in the league, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING US INTO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THEY GET HIGHER WAGERS, you get players in on lower wagers then you get less worth for ur money.

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29 Nov 2010 08:32:24
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Morning Ed,

Although we have been poor most of the season i've got to say this is the worst feeling i've had so far. I don't know what it is.

I fear the defeat yesterday will be more than losing 3 points, the manner in which we lost will have a negative effect on the players in my opinion. To have so many chances and not put the game to bed will play on their mind. Maxi and Torres were guilty of wasting good chances.

I know I sound gloomy but I also feel this result just shows that we need to sign 2 quality players in Jan to keep Nando and Pepe at the club next season.

What were your thoughts on the game mate?
Rez

{Editor's Note: All in all not a bad display - Konchesky and Torrees were poor.}

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29 Nov 2010 08:24:23
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who is our captain now that Gerrard and Carra are both injured?

{Editor's Note: Possibly Reina - I am not sure.}

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29 Nov 2010 08:08:56
Where is our luck?!
Reina stoppage time agaisnt arsenal so unlucky 2 points dropped
stevie vs Wigan hit the bar 2 points dropped
nando vs Sunderland goal not offside 2 points dropped
we've been in court for half the season. .!
That's like 6 points! That's 25 points come on lady luck this isn't fair.
Btw will all of you STFU about the spurs game if our players actually scored you wouldn't be whining like children over aurelio coming on.
Shutup you know you just shutup.
Torres and maxi score 3-0 all good but they didn't players fault nothing else
DEAL WITH IT.

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29 Nov 2010 08:02:28
Liverpool Rumours
Hey Ed, do you think if Roy Hodgson somehow happend to get us in to the top four at the end of the season NESV are going to replace him irrespective? I know your sources are adamant they were told they were looking for a new manager, but do you think there is any chance NESV may change their mind if that scenario occurred?

{Editor's Note: I expect that Roy Hodgson will leave at the end of the season.}

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29 Nov 2010 08:01:28
Konchesky is a terrible full back, why not play him left midfield and have aurelio in defence? konchesky offers nothing defensively to the team so as a lefty he could fill that side of midfield, even have aurelio and konchesky constantly switching roles during the match. like what rafa used to do with aurelio and riise a few years back. maybe konchesky will turn out to be a better winger than defender. would still rather have insua though, which is saying something.
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Konchesky shouldn't even be on the bench mate. Nowhere near good enough.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 07:59:09
The Maxi miss. If you watch it closely chaps, you have to give full credit to crazy Gomez who shaped his body making it big to narrow the right corner option and then outfoxed Maxi by not diving to his left. In my opinion it wasn't a missed opportunity but a well saved chance. The Torres misses though are an altogether different story.
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I don't know what your on mate. Watch the Maxi miss again and you will see that he had ample opportunity to take the shot earlier instead of trying to go round the keeper. Your right in that Gomez was very close to his near post, that left all the other side of the net gaping.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 07:57:04
People say hodgson needs time, but when hiddink took over from scolari at chelsea, the impact he made was instant. you can't compare chelseas squad and ours but still, if hodgson looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then he IS a duck

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29 Nov 2010 07:50:20
Ed, im all for getting the right man, but how many top players will still be at the club next season? i really think if roy is here for the season (as you say above) the likes of torres will be gone. i know that opens another debate about only wanting players who want to play for us but i think any manager taking over would want a few world class players to build his team around. i personally want roy to go. ive got to the stage where i can't listen to him speak because of the rubbish that comes out of his mouth. any man who thinks konchesky is liverpool quality should not be or manager. im 3 stone over weight, got bigger tits than my misses but im convinced i could do a better job than konchesky.
this should really be a real possitive time for the club after the take over, but i think roy has managed to take all that good feeling and make the future under him seem all gloomy and mediocre. so i think roy needs to go before the damage is done and the top players leave. rant over!
big steve177
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If the top players want to leave, let them go. If they have no dedication or fight for the club then move them on. The money the club would get for them would make it easy to replace them. What would you prefer to have Torres who doesn't give 100% and only plays well when he wants to, or someone who is proud to pull on the red shirt and wear their heart on their sleeve. Torres is a world beater when he wants to be, the trouble is he hasn't done it enough this season. The old Torres would have had 2 goals against Spurs with the chances he had.
We have always had a habit of replacing world class strikers withplayers who go on to be world class aswell. I won't go back too far but just to back up my point Dalglish, Rush, Aldridge, Fowler, Owen, Torres.

MUSHROOM

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29 Nov 2010 07:39:06
Another weekend, another disappointment

We lost a good game because of being defensive and having a referee whom i'm sure will not be in the perm after this season!

Well. roy wasn't the brightest crayon.
I couldn't understand bringing on a full back for a striker instead of more attacking options being available, especially since Ngog was a constant threat, with LFC raining in the crosses. .Maybe Babel or Jova or even Pacheco for the love of GOD!
i mean. .i was HAPPY we started with an attacking setup and it was a really good match to start with. but get a brain Roy. . no matter how you see it, no matter that fabio switched to left mid-field and kuyt switched to striker, we became defensive that very moment, because Roy couldn't go against his nature that late in the game. .if we were the Liverpool we fans all like to think we are, we would have fought for the win, instead we got unlucky and got stung late.

I hate Roy's long-ball defensive s* t. .if i wanted to see LFC play that way i'd rather be a Blackburn fan, at least the expectation doesn't kill. i think its far beyond 'giving Roy time' anymore. .get that old fool out before every good player leaves and we're left with Poulsen.

Something funny. .heard Maradonna offered himself to LFC in the recent past
ed. what do you think. .could he be a success?

{Editor's Note: Maradona? No.}

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29 Nov 2010 06:37:34
Liverpool Rumours
Hey ed do you think Owen Coyle could do a good job at Liverpool ?i'd like to hear your opinion on him {ed's note - I think he could do a great job. He has the makings of a top class manager.}

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If we go British, then he would be the best pick as of now. . . . His style of football is nice. . . .Modern, Good work ethics and attacking football

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29 Nov 2010 06:22:41
And still most 'fans' slating roy. i can honestly say the tactics were good yesterday, maxi and nando should of finished the game off. it almost looked like nando didn't want to score! ! roy can only do so much he can't take control of there feet on the pitch. the whole nando needs games issue. . .how bloody many does he need? ? he should be scoring with the chances he is getting now, rauls pass was brill, according to alot of people it was the service that was lacking well on that finishing no wonder they don't service him. one thing i don't understand that if players are underperforming then surely the other lads get there chance? ? can anyone spread any light on this? ?? konchesky was carp, ngog wasnt any good and maxi (at least he was in goal scoring position) should of won the game for us (twice) over an out.

matty b

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29 Nov 2010 04:24:32
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To Dave and the editor's reply as below:

Dave {ed's note - I was keeping an eye on Kuyt as well today, from the very first moment he got the ball he was wayward in possession. One thing I did notice is that Lucas was always looking to get the ball forward first and only passed backwards or sideways when there was no movement ahead of him. The worrying thing is that he still made a fair amount of sideways and backwards passes. We still lack movement off the ball, apart from a very few players, Meireles being one, nobody looks to pass and move. It is more a case of pass, wait and see if the player actually receives the ball, then maybe think about strolling to where there is a space. That is partly a lack of confidence in their ability to complete a pass, but that doesn't excuse the lack of movement once the ball has been received.}

A couple of times Spearing has played in the Europa League this year he's had the ball looked to make a pass then put his hands in the air (as in where are my options, to pass to); so it's not just yesterday but all season we've been like this.

Also we are quite limited when trying to play the ball wide and in front of our players for them to run on to due to Kuyt and Maxi's lack of pace (as in they are not as quick as other players playing in their position).

On comments about Insua; I know he had a terrible season last year but he's only young and when young players are having a bad time of it you take them out of the team for a bit; however due to Aurillio's injuries last year Rafa couldn't do this. IMO he's better than Konchesky is.

If you think that Florentia offered £5m for him and he is available on a free next summer and Konchesky cost us £4m with 2 younger players then we shouldn't have sent him on loan or purchased Konchesky.

Very disappointed with the result yesterday as I didn't think we deserved to lose but after Torres missed the chance and made it three good opportunities we missed then I was hoping we wouldn't get punished; a guy who hopes to break back into the England team shouldn't be ball watching in the 90th minute.

Not sure I agree with Roy on the "we're not blessed with that many centre backs" (on Carra's and Agger being missing now) comment; I think he seems to forget purchasing the scottish young player of the year or having Kelly who can play CB or Ayala (on loan at Hull, who by Sky Sports Website (Hull Squad list) is currenly rated as Hull's best player). Shame Wisdom's injured or he may have got a run out at some point.

Hoola

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29 Nov 2010 03:23:21
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The abuse aimed at roy is really beginning to sicken me, as did the abuse that rafa got in his final season and houllier! Whats happened to the pride we once had in our club, the passion, win, lose, or draw, the sportsmanship, this abuse is not something i expect of educated liverpool supporters, i believe that houllier was a very good coach, Benitez also, are we becoming the type of fans that jump on the media bandwagon and make the manager and players feel like they are hated, how can that possibly make it any easier for the club to progress. I never agreed with roy getting the job, but he's never had a chance, we were on his back the second he arrived and the pressure has cracked him, as with rafa before him, We've lost our way, i'll always call myself a LFC supporter but i'm ashamed of so many of you!
Loyalty, Passion, Pride, and Respect so severly lacking both in the squad and in the terraces.
Dark days indeed.

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29 Nov 2010 01:18:32
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About MANUEL PELLEGRINI.

turning him down because of his english doesn't seem the right reason since he is an educated man. He's a civil engineer. and could know at least basic english to get his message across. better than Mancini for sure!

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29 Nov 2010 01:16:48
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Overall we played better compare to previous games. . But missed 3 clear chances is great lesson for us. Roy is gud manager but he is not made for Liverpool. We really need to turn the corner before its too late. Bring on King Kenny. . Players mentality still hanggin within mid table mindset. Bring high level manager wud changed everything. I can see that we started to disapearing frm top 4 team forever.

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29 Nov 2010 00:58:43
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Hey ed do you think Owen Coyle could do a good job at Liverpool ?i'd like to hear your opinion on him {ed's note - I think he could do a great job. He has the makings of a top class manager.}

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29 Nov 2010 00:43:49
I was always against woy, but after watching us tonight if he can realise konc is crap and get rid of ngog and maxi and some new signings we could be quite tasty, we wasnt the worse team tonight, roy knows what he has to work with and i think on this showing its starting to bear fruit, and lets be honest if you heard the crowd chanting for your head every week wouldn't it make you go more defensive so you wouldn't loose the game or your job, i think we should give him at least till jan then see where we are, and i was one of the first shouting for his head,
jimmybosun

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29 Nov 2010 00:38:51
Spurs worst run? they are probably one of the best run clubs in europe? their transfers were at a loss but the rest put them in profit yet again

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29 Nov 2010 00:11:03
For the 'Stop knocking Hodgson' brigade. The man himself said "Judge me after 10 games". Ok. . We've added Cole & Meireles. We are 10th (Mid table folks). We came 7th last season & that was when the lid blew off the whole thing & Benitez was shoved. Are we waiting on luck or the team to settle under new management & ownership>? I Didn't think a loss at Spurs was a total disaster but being 10th & losing this many games at this stage of the season is frightning. So Mr Hodgson I'm 'judging you' . . v.poor.

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29 Nov 2010 00:04:28
Ed's note - I think you will have to get used to him this season, NESV want to get the right man, they will wait to get him. They are looking for a man to come in for 10 years rather than just making do with who they can get.}

ed, im all for getting the right man, but how many top players will still be at the club next season? i really think if roy is here for the season (as you say above) the likes of torres will be gone. i know that opens another debate about only wanting players who want to play for us but i think any manager taking over would want a few world class players to build his team around. i personally want roy to go. ive got to the stage where i can't listen to him speak because of the rubbish that comes out of his mouth. any man who thinks konchesky is liverpool quality should not be or manager. im 3 stone over weight, got bigger tits than my misses but im convinced i could do a better job than konchesky.
this should really be a real possitive time for the club after the take over, but i think roy has managed to take all that good feeling and make the future under him seem all gloomy and mediocre. so i think roy needs to go before the damage is done and the top players leave. rant over!
big steve177

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28 Nov 2010 23:57:51
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The difference between Spurs and us, and the reason why we lost was the quality of the players(other than that twit Atkinson who is practically the 12th man). I hope Comolli realise we really need wingers with pace to trouble defences and 1 more class striker

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28 Nov 2010 23:57:33
I think the goals LFC conceded today should not be too difficult to put right with a little work on the training ground .

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28 Nov 2010 23:54:31
Doesn't the Spurs fluke flare up remind you of somebody? ?LEEDS. .LEEDS. .LEEDS. .
LFC have been badly run for years but our debt is paid while Spurs spend money they haven't got and slide deeper and deeper in to debt. .Harry is gonna blow your cash have fun in the champions league and leave you for the england job. by that time the next unlucky gaffer will have no champions league and will be working under financial constraint trying to claw back the cash you blew as u slip down the table.
Spurs are the worst run club in London reporting loss after loss after loss. .This can't go on for ever u know?

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