Liverpool Banter Archive October 29 2015

29 Oct 2015 21:53:36
Quite a bit of chat on Origi at the moment, more negative than positive. A 20 year old playing their first season in English football and suddenly tasked with playing up front on his own would need to be a truly outstanding player in the making to be setting the world alight in those circumstances at that age. Would Torres, Drogba, Suarez have been an immediate hit in that situation? I expect not. So I'm prepared to give him a chance and get behind him, not least because the three other centre forwards we have are all injured.

Where Origi does impress, and where pretty much all of his good moments have come, is when he pulls out wide, gets one-on-one against his man, faces him up and skins him. He's certainly blessed with pace. He reminds me of Welbeck a little, same weaknesses and similar strengths. I'm sure that when Benteke is fit, Origi will get a break but I reckon a goal could be just around the corner.

29 Oct 2015 23:07:54
I accidentally pressed disagree, but i totally agree with you. He is exceptionally strong and fast for such a young player. He will learn fast and in two years time will become brilliant. He needs time and encouragement.
Ian Rush took time to settle in at LFC and after while became unplayable. i'm totally behind Origi, young raw player with loads to come.

29 Oct 2015 23:35:37
'Suddenly tasked with playing upfront on his own'. Sounds like a primary school kid was going to his school with his dad and suddenly the England national team bus stopped near them and told him 'hey kid we need a striker to take us to the world cup, do you mind'?

The guy is a professional footballer, a striker who is been paid a lot of money to do his job which is scoring goals. Why does it matter if he plays lone striker or as one of two - does he need another striker to hold his hand? This is one of the most pathetic excuses I have heard for poor performances. No one asks him to 'set the world alight', just to be a threat in front of goal and if possible score goals occasionally. Nothing extraordinary. Just score goals.

Some young players are capable of that. This is what Martial does, what Rooney did when he was younger, Sterling did when he was his age. Other players don't suit the PL, or are not ready in that age. OK if he is one of them, if he is not ready for the PL he shouldn't play for us. We cannot afford having strikers who need a year or two to settle down before they can be a threat because we have a football team that needs to score goals and Mings won't score them, nor will Sakho.

Don't get me wrong I have no issues with the guy, he looks like a nice lad, I just don't understand whoever bought him. Anyone who saw him last year in France knew it was a mistake to bring him but by then we already bought him.

30 Oct 2015 01:01:53
You can see the improvement game to game. It's tough that we aren't scoring goals so the expectation just becomes bigger but Tel and RR both spot on. What I really enjoy watching him do is turn on the pace once he is able to. He accelerates so fast it's awesome.

30 Oct 2015 01:58:04
im not sure. i feel like every time I watch him he doesn't give his all, (tackles, running, pulling out ect) which a lad at his age should be doing. i do think he will make it with us as u can see glimpses of the talent that's there. have to agree with a short term loan would be best for the lad but as we have a squad full of injury prone strikers I'm guessing he will grind his performances out. Good luck to him I say YNWAJFT96.

30 Oct 2015 04:12:40
I am sure Origi is giving his all, but he does need to find a way to become more effective IMO. He has been easily disposed whenever he plays with his back to the goal, and Klopp is often seen telling him to be stronger in that situation. When he does hold on to the ball, he needs to pick a pass quicker instead of taking one to many touches.

Having said that, he is our 4th choice striker, but it is injuries to others that has suddenly given him lots of chances. The alternatives are Firmino and Sinclair.

30 Oct 2015 05:52:05
I tend to disagree, any half decent striker would have scored the sitters that he missed in last three games.
Especially header against spurs and Bournemouth.

{Ed001's Note - I have seen Rush and Fowler miss sitters. Rush couldn't score for years for us, it took him a long time to settle down, build his confidence and become the striker that everyone feared. Origi is just a kid, a kid who has moved to a new country with a completely different culture and language, give him time.}

29 Oct 2015 19:31:38
In the past we've always had that superstar like Suarez, Torres or Gerrard who were obvious choices for favourite players but now anybody could be a favourite player. My question for everyone is: who is your favourite player? Give a good reason for your choice on top of that! Ed001, is be interested to hear your choice:)

{Ed001's Note - Lucas Leiva, because he is a quality player with a fantastic attitude and a genuinely nice guy. Plus I like the fact he lives in the city.}

29 Oct 2015 20:03:56
I am between Sakho and Skrtel. With Sakho I like his movement with the ball, always looking for a good pass between two defenders. Something very calm and even elegant in how he deals with the ball.

Skertl probably the opposite, not very calm maybe, not without his faults but he is a fighter, always first to every ball in the air, no nonesense guy and has a presence which not all our other players have. And he has been with us a while, if I am not wrong from our starting 11 he is the second longest serving player after Lucas.

29 Oct 2015 20:06:02
Sakho - cult hero 😎.

29 Oct 2015 20:22:20
You changed your mind on him, no Ron? I remember not long ago you didn't rate him at all.

29 Oct 2015 20:23:24
Edd001 is he the only player that lives in the city?

{Ed001's Note - not sure mate, sorry.}

29 Oct 2015 20:46:26
Lucas/sakho!

29 Oct 2015 20:48:48
Clyne, pure class down the right.

29 Oct 2015 20:52:15
Sakho to play along side frenchie on Saturday as they were getting acquainted last night!

29 Oct 2015 21:30:23
I think Coutinho is brilliant, he is the guy i will miss the most if he leaves.

29 Oct 2015 21:37:24
What on earth was he doing with him? Could only imagine he's doing security for him or something.

29 Oct 2015 21:46:26
Henderson:has real passion and drive also the best goal celebrations especially in friendly matches like olympiakos.

29 Oct 2015 21:51:33
Didn't like the way he threw his toys out the pram when Rodgers dropped him. I think "team spirit" is vastly underrated these days. Klopp will re-establish our team spirit IMO.

Changed my mind on Sakho when he signed a new contract and described himself as a "Liverpool warrior".

Redeemed himself there.

29 Oct 2015 21:57:26
Lucas, even called my son after him just because of his attitude and pure determination to succeed.

29 Oct 2015 22:19:59
Nonsense, Ron! Sahko has always played for the shirt he wears since his teens at PSG so don't know what you're on about there about being a warrior. He never wanted to leave us. It was BR who kept moving scorched earth to sell him so Skrtel and Lovren, both severely inferior to him, can play and keep making mistakes while Sakho just sits and watches because he had a bust up with an incompetent manager who can't recognise a good CB when he sees one.

He's always been our best CB so to me and many others, he has nothing to redeem himself for. In fact, I am shocked that he didn't just give up and leave. He stayed to fight and truth has now set him free.

29 Oct 2015 23:19:01
It's not nonsense Ohio, it's well documented how he threw his toys out the pram almost exactly 1 year ago.
IIRC he refused to be on the bench, something to that effect.

29 Oct 2015 23:19:44
Think coutinho is our best player. everything he does when on form makes us tick as a team. But my personal favourite is Henderson when he's allowed to get forward. Glad he's captain and hopefully one day England captain too.

30 Oct 2015 00:33:55
Ron, it seems as though you read too much into a situation where rodgers was effectively doing what he does best, being a terrible manager, and then defended him to the hilt when sakho was clearly entitled to be pissed off.

Likewise, i definitely would not be reading into any comments or contracts signings from players now, it means so little nowadays. It seems quite fickle you would develop that opinion of him and change it based on that.

Let him do his talking on the pitch and judge him on that.

30 Oct 2015 00:51:07
Daniel sturridge lives in an apartment in the city centre.

30 Oct 2015 00:54:38
Current favourite player is Hendo
Works hard gives everything. Covered for sg on so many occasions over last 2 years playing 2 man role. Decent delivery. Calm. And growing into a leader of the club. Much to learn over the coming years but I think we are beginning to see the fruit baring from our investment.

30 Oct 2015 02:41:11
Ron, it was a match vs Arsenal at the Emirates I believe. He walked out of the stadium as he was not selected amongst the playing squad.

He did later apologise to the fans on Twitter and I'm pretty sure he was fined for it too.

But he hasn't done anything like that since, or at least it hasn't made it to the media headlines if he has. So presumably he's learned from his mistake which is an excellent trait. And given how the previous manager has treated Sahko, it's amazing that he hasn't done it again.

Plus, he is an absolutely beast of a defender and is making an early case for fans player of the year.

30 Oct 2015 04:19:57
Coutnho for me because he is our best player. He certainly struggling now, but think back to when he was on form, and his qualities were there to see.

30 Oct 2015 07:20:21
Cant wait to see Flano come back myself but i don't know how he will get in the team

I love Emre Can though.

30 Oct 2015 07:23:26
Like I say, I changed my mind on him when he signed a new contract effectively fighting for his place.
I don't see why anyone has a problem with that.

30 Oct 2015 07:54:15
Sakho and Lucas are my favourite. In fairness Gerrard, Suarez and Torres were never mine though - Hypia, Carragher, Agger and then those two were.

Guess what position I play!

29 Oct 2015 16:45:24
I think we have a 1 goal a game curse atm! ;)

I think we are moving in the right direction. JK stated we need a good defense and from there move to playing nice attacking football. Kept a clean sheet. Our defending does seem improved. sahko is a don! so hopefully we can break through the 1 goal a game barrier soon! I'm looking forward to the chelsea game!

29 Oct 2015 21:50:29
We still at times look fragile at the back but less so since JK has come in - I hope it continues to improve.

the goals will come we just need to be patient.

29 Oct 2015 22:22:20
Yeah looks like we are on the right path :)

29 Oct 2015 14:34:28
Lucas really looks a if he is going to return to the pre knee injury form he was producing under Kenny. Looks to use a real purpose and determination in his play again. Smacks of a player who knew didn't have the confidence of his last manager. looked every bit of a real good senior player when he came on last night. Long may continue.

29 Oct 2015 16:22:49
And to think how close he was to the Exit door.

29 Oct 2015 17:29:21
*sigh of relief.

29 Oct 2015 18:24:18
Lucas is a legend, can't wait to see him score!

29 Oct 2015 18:53:36
That was a belting shot he had right towards the end - would have been a class goal.

29 Oct 2015 20:11:50
Lucas is a genuinely under rated player. Skilful, hard working, intelligent, can read the game, physically holds his own and a top bloke too.

29 Oct 2015 23:04:54
yh and he would have been gone for £4m.

29 Oct 2015 14:01:44
I would like the opinion of the 'not so regular' as well as the regular posters as who they rate in terms of posts, opinions etc.

I quite enjoy redohio's post, informative with structure as well as the real ag. Good stuff posted. Big al, Dave bootle, all good posters. I often might not agree but that's why it's a forum and banter, but some guys, holy crap, not sure what planet they from or in what state they watch matches or write their posts in. European glory, unbelievable but we are well informed of these 2.

So what are the options out there, let's hear them.

29 Oct 2015 14:18:21
Obviously mine are the best. jokes aside, I don't think you can 'rate' posters. The best thing about this site is the sheer diversity of opinions and the resulting debates. People may not agree with European glory but who's to say he is wrong? Unless you're Mr. Klopp himself I think all you can do is have an opinion and enjoy reading everyone else's. We may not all agree, but one thing we all have in common is that we all support the same club (hopefully anyway! ) .

29 Oct 2015 14:22:11
Never seen you before mate. Hence no opinion on your post. Red rum is a good poster, Bobarton for me is the best of the bunch ( I had some fantastic debate with him here ) Adam once used to be really good not anymore. AG says very less but makes it precise.
Waro is the most blunt person on earth. Big AL and Mighty Reds write well. Reet always brings humor to site and all others write well.

29 Oct 2015 14:57:59
That "Ron Keague" is a clueless jerk!
Otherwise everyone else is brilliant.

29 Oct 2015 15:21:38
With regards to posters that actually seem to try and put something well constructed I find Red Rum, RedOhio, AG, Fencey to be isightful

Adam (EMS) I find interesting and enjoy discussing statistics with him and his manipulation of them :)

Waro I enjoy engaging with every now and then, I find his stuff with Ron brilliant and wish they had their own board.

Red since 64 I don't think I have ever agreed with, or Ozone. Red Lobster I;m still sure is a man u fan in disguise.

Harry I sometimes find funny, othertimes I bang my head against the wall. He's like a dog with a chew toy on subjects.

I enjoy the site either way.

29 Oct 2015 15:26:47
I would read red ohios if i'm looking through posts . Ag can be fair game at times. There is a few good posters though.
edd01 best of the bunch. Man has wealth of knowledge about the club and game. Very rarely i would disagree. Edd002 is the info man and very funny at times.

29 Oct 2015 15:40:23
My first "agree" of 2015 ☺️.

29 Oct 2015 15:50:42
Forgot to mention adam/ems. I stay away from his posts now. He had a breakdown on me last time. Different view on players and anything football related but he's a good lad .

29 Oct 2015 16:03:39
Ag and Ron Keague. Adam too but he is rarely around these days. Mayne was an excellent poster. RK often posts polarising views but actually backs up them and takes a fair amount of schmidt fairly. Ag has been around since a very long time and ome of the few posters whose posts i read whenever i see.
Ken aguero was all class but seems to have been kidnapped.
Harry's posts either induce laughter or suicidal tendencies in me.
Andtheres obviously Ed001 who seems to be getting grumpier as he enters his 130's.
And then there's that reet fella obviously noone compares to him in spouting nonsense 😁.

29 Oct 2015 16:29:47
I disagree with a lot of what he says but Bobatron knows how to argue his views. I generally like Ron's posts, partly because I often agree with them but I also think he's less prone to sensationalism than most. I find Ed2 very insightful, apart from when he's being grumpy of course. Ed1 is a font of all knowledge but he does seem to take offence if you disagree with him. Meeowmers knocked me for six when I had a go at one of his posts and he turned out to be a thoroughly decent bloke. I never have a clue what to make of Harry's posts so I tend to steer clear. I generally love the posters who engage in debate and have less time for those who are more absolute in their views.

29 Oct 2015 17:09:39
The problem is with posting is that it can come across in a totally different manner in which it was intended.

I think EMS structures his posts brilliantly though.

Ron seems old school to me.

Waro is a man of principle with the psychological aspect of having 'war' in his name.

29 Oct 2015 17:20:35
Tel 1949 for me.

29 Oct 2015 18:34:47
i like the lad who does the podcast.

29 Oct 2015 18:36:29
I am not very good in remembering names so I will say what types of posters I prefer to read here. And of course I try to be one of them, if and when I am successful on not is not for me to judge.

I prefer posters who have their own opinions and are not afraid to challenge the common consensus that sometime exist in this site about something in LFC (e. g. Skertl is the source of all our problems including our poor forward game, etc), and that are not afraid to argue (respectfully) with others, even if the others are the eds (and who do not constantly need reassurances from the eds or others that they are right) .

I prefer posters who can change their mind about something and especially about players when the reality changes (i. e. when the players become better or worse, consistently as happens sometime) .
I prefer posters who are realistic in their assessment of our squad or of particular players (I accept that I may tend to other direction and am not easy to please or to become enthusiastic about a player at least until I see some consistent product in the form of assists or goals) .

I prefer posters who do not see the main role of the senior team to give chances to young players (but rather to win) and that judge events and players like they would have judged them if they weren’t LFC supporters (e. g. if a player left us, while they may say they dislike him personally, they don’t automatically have to argue that he is the worst player even and that anyone in our academy is ten times better) .

Posters who annoys me are posters who call to ‘cash in’ on (good) players or to sell them anyway (unless they are clear disruption to the team) but mainly those who confuse between talking to a group of fans in the pub before they are all going to Enfield to watch a game against United and writing here. There you do want to make sure everyone are going to be loud in their support the team, support the manager, support every player etc and tell United how rubbish we think they are while the role of this banter site which is for LFC supporters to share their views including their frustrations and honest judgement on poor performances of the team, a player or the manager.

29 Oct 2015 19:16:30
I like that lad too benny.

29 Oct 2015 19:34:56
I think that lad is an idiot benny huh? 😂.

29 Oct 2015 20:50:16
Nobody like me anymore? : (
Waro was right I am fast becoming the most hated on here haha
I always look out for AG, macca, Adam, Harry, reet, bobatron, Waro, Benny, far too many to name and so many older posters who seem to have disappeared who where great to read. Blair, Ken aguero etc
Always look out for something an ed has commented on as well as it's usually worth a read.

29 Oct 2015 22:50:38
I thank those who enjoy reading my posts. It is indeed a compliment. I do enjoy posters like Red Rum, Essexred, Waro, Boba, Mikey1985 and many others I fail to remember. This forum is made of diverse ops and ideas and I can't wait to get on it everyday. We all want our club to do well but may disagree with how we become successful. All in all, great posters all round!

29 Oct 2015 12:21:27
Exceptionally pleased with last night.

Honestly i don't think it was a matter of not being clinical enough, the only reason i feel the game finished 1-0 was because we were so in control, the pressing was so good, we completely shut bournemouth down and they never even seemed to be in the game, there was almost no need to really push for another goal.

The pressing was excellent, the desire to win tackles, cut out balls was excellent. Even allen, who is nowhere near as good as lucas in that position, did a good job.

The youngsters were, also, excellent, especially teixeira - after the dross that coutinho, milner and lallana have been serving up of late, i'd really hope he would start ahead of at least one of them, but it won't happen. Really hope we utilise him this year, he looks quality! Just what we need - he takes responsibility, has balls and wants to score, and looks miles more composed than anybody on the pitch while doing it.

Branagan and randall were also pretty good, we can definately call upon them with ease now in these cup games, other than randall having some defensive issues on his side, vey mature and great attitude in their performance.

Ibe returned to form again in his natural position, would like to see him get time at the weekend.

Firmino showed what we payed for, he was great. He has to start this weekend over lallana. Again, wanted to score, wanted to make things happen.

Bogdan was very assured in goal, looked so much more confident than mignolet. Would love him to play more but won't happen.

DefenSe as a whole was much better, weren't really challenged but did the job and looked assured.

Only dissapointing are was, again, origi. Clearly isn't ready, currently offers nothing and needs to go out on loan again to prove himself. Second half he wasnt just bad, he looked like he couldn't be arsed. If we had benteke, we would of scored loads.

I feel that if benteke is fit at the weekend, and we play like that, with mostly those same players, we have a great chance of winning. Much better performance than 1-0 gives credit for.

29 Oct 2015 12:53:19
Granted Origi is clearly struggling to settle in, but loaning him out in Jan would mean sending away our only fit senior squad forward.

29 Oct 2015 13:19:33
I think really we should stop messing Origi about. He seems talented but i think not a lone striker. Looks more comfortable out wide so a possible front 3 but then would that ever happen. Brodge took him back of loan i think keep him and let him get used to English football and the new manager/system we bought him to play for us after all?

29 Oct 2015 22:56:12
Alistair is right, lay off the lad. He never stops running or pressing and had that header vs Spurs gone in and we won the game, no one would be talking. He is young and raw and was never supposed to be playing this much. Firmino had two chances to play him in last night but chose to shoot. Is that Origi's fault to? Lay off the lad or would you prefer Balo coming back? Didn't thinks so.

29 Oct 2015 12:01:11
reading on various other sites, that some fans are wanting rid of coutiniho. why? are these fans forgetting that up to 3 weeks ago he was seen as a potential saviour for the club (or so to say), the only 'big' name we have now. Is this because he is pals with neymar?

the lad is on abit of a bad run of form, but poor form is temporary. yes he needs to get back to his silky self, and stop smashing it everytime he gets a sniff of goal.

29 Oct 2015 13:20:23
Couldn't agree more!

29 Oct 2015 13:26:26
I woudnt get rid of him, this happened to him last season as well had a dip in form for a few weeks maybe a month.

Let him work it out the second half of the season for him was great, some class goals.

It will come back again once he takes the pressure off himself.

29 Oct 2015 13:37:31
People are fickled. Some were saying the team needs to be built around him, now he needs to be dropped, moved on etc etc.

Couts is a great player end of!

29 Oct 2015 10:16:28
Hi eds, why did my post last night not make it through?

{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

29 Oct 2015 09:59:23
Morning all, been a few days! Bit behind on the old pages but seems people are back to moaning already!
Last nights game was ok. ish. Showed some good signs. I thought Textiera was very good. The young lad at right back was a bit loose first half, but he tightened up in the second and showed his strength going forward. Not debuts for any of them. Feel for Origi. He's a young kid still adapting to the league and I felt you could see the disappointment on his face at the final whistle. While he didn't set the stage alight last night, he has shown he is very strong in the air, won almost every header he went up for.
I also thought Ibe was outstanding, joy to watch. Lucas was very good as usual when he came on, opened the game up. Bogdan did a very decent job between the sticks too.
Though we are a bit short on the goals front, I think last night Firmino showed signs of what he is capable of, and with our strikers fit and Firmino/ Coutinho chipping in, it can only get better. Tough game in the next round but should be a good one.

29 Oct 2015 10:44:58
Not that I expect much difference yet, seeing as Rodgers and the powers that be have created a mess here, but there is minimal difference in now and 6/7 games ago. Very minimal.

29 Oct 2015 11:12:49
Personally i thought Origi was really poor in the air and protecting the ball, I won't bash the kid he's only 20 but I just don't think he's a striker for me he would be better used as part of a three if I'm honest - Again its not bashing but he doesn't see those runs to create an opportunity or open up space when he isn't in possession if that makes sense. I do think we would see a lot more of him out wide i really do but up top as a central striker i just don't think its him - Ings does these runs so well off the ball and the space he creates allows other players the chance on goal or a chance to play him in and results show this.

29 Oct 2015 11:18:12
Not really, you can seethe high pressing. Firmino last night was shouting and pointing at Origi to close the defenders down. Players being played in their positions, kids being given opportunities. Plus, not sure if it is just me, but Lucas seems to having a more attacking look about him. He seems to have been given orders to get the ball forward quicker.

29 Oct 2015 11:40:32
I don't think I watched the same game then. I keep seeing Origi losing aerial battle. Despite his tall frame, he should protect and win more ball. I get frustrated on how many time he lose a heading battle. But he's only 20, he will only improve.

29 Oct 2015 12:52:08
Origi lost some aerial battles, I agree but he always shows a willingness to run the channels and provide space for others to run into. It was his run that drew Distin out which created the space for Firmino to play in Tex and the chance and goal happened. In other times, Firmino could have played him in one on one w/ the GK but chose to shoot. Is that his fault too? The boy is young and raw but shows a willingness to fight and remember, he wasn`t supposed to be playing this much but now he is so let`s just support him though this time. Or would people rather have Balo back who couldn`t even be arsed to even walk on the pitch?

29 Oct 2015 13:31:44
Despite only winning 1-0 I actually enjoyed watching us play for probably the first time since Spurs at the start of last season. For the first time in a while we looked like we were going to score. We looked a lot more comfortable passing than we have in a while and our attack looked fluid and reasonably comfortable. I enjoyed watching Teixiera, Firmino and Ibe combining, I think Ibe has the pace we have been missing and Tex has the hunger of a young player desperate to impress. I don't know whether this can be attributed to Klopp's training and implementing his style, or a lack of Milner and Lallana slowing down play.

I have seen a lot of debate today about Tex and Lallana, and it's a tough one really. Whilst Lallana has more experience and had played his ass off since Klopp's arrival, un doubtedly improved since last season, which has become evident already, I've noticed his tendency to slow down play, giving defenders plenty of time to get into position. Still don't understand for the life of me why we signed Milner, with the abundance of players we have in his position.

It's still early days I know, and I guess things will unfold as they do, and we will discover more about Klopp's management style as time goes on, but the players actually looked happy last night, which hasn't been evident for a while. I think a month ago that match could have gone to penalties after a tedious, goalless 120 mins. We only scored one, but it could easily have been more.

Patience is the key guys

Super.

29 Oct 2015 09:07:31
My biggest issue with whoever do our scouting/signings both for the senior team and the academy is it seems they give zero attention to physical strength. The PL is a very tough league physcially. It doesn't mean you have to be a big guy to survive it. Sterling wasn't a big guy but he was really strong and was really hard to make him fall. Same with Hazard. Couts is just quick enough to hold the ball (although even he get lost against big strong opposition. I mean look at City going forward, Aguero, De Broyna, Toure, Sterling, all really strong guys.

But if you look at our starting midfielders and strikers yesterday, maybe only with the exception of Ibe (who I don't rate for other reasons), they are all so soft. Even with Firmino who I like as a player I have doubts in that regard. Certaily Origi and Textiera, let alone brannagan, no disrespect to the lad but he looks like a primary school kid sent to fight in professional wrestling competition. It was the same with Markovich last year. I mean I know some of them are young and can work in the gym on their physical strength but some of it is how you built to start with I am schocked that before they are bought no one looks at that.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? This is a wind up right?}

29 Oct 2015 09:33:56
hahahaaa so we should sign braaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkk lesssssssssssssssssssssssnar.

29 Oct 2015 09:36:50
Silva? Strong guy? He should the smallest in the league.

29 Oct 2015 09:44:50
Benteke - lightweight 😆.

29 Oct 2015 11:14:31
no complains about Benteke. I just say sign more like him.

29 Oct 2015 11:15:51
Personally I thought Brannagan had a good game - He broke up play excellently and played the simple pass and that's all you want too see at this stage for me - Made double the tackles of anyone on the field and came off after 60 minutes and before anyone says we had all the possession that's why but Bournemouth actually had more possession in the 1st half - Think the kid definitely has something.

29 Oct 2015 12:22:32
Im pretty sure an Ed somewhere might have been on one of the other pages wrote and article about what needs to change in English football to help it move forward highlighting how physicality obsessed england is with players and then you notice the difference in class at international level where our players are not as technically gifted as foreign players who when young might not have been that physical but a god on the ball. Got the chance over the lad who's pacier than them and now don't need pace at all and will outclass with touch and passing. Think how long Pirlo has been in the game and Alonso, they are class and haven't fell off due to being slow because they never relied on pace to begin with. Where as how many players get injured and lose their pace and never look the same. Poor Fernando never really recovered properly. Pace and strength are important but I think other factors are just as inportant if not more. I don't want some 7ft beast who can't pass the ball 10 yards or he might win every header but never put it on target.

29 Oct 2015 12:34:13
Sterlings a weak POS and he flops too, this cannot be a serious post.

29 Oct 2015 12:54:56
Defo a wind up post, then.

29 Oct 2015 08:56:44
I know almost everyone on here wants to move Allen on, but I would be careful in wishing for it because we might just get it. Clearly, and I agree completely that, he is not good enough for the few roles he has been tried in. But he is the closest thing to a backup that we have for Lucas, and that is a crucial position on the field. I had hoped that Emre Can would have been groomed for the Lucas backup role, because he has some of the tools and could be taught the others with time and experience. But Rodgers had other ideas. And it seems that Klopp has other ideas too. A lot of people talk about Chirivella, but that's all and only about the future, not about now. Look at the striker situation. I remember reading about people complaining that we had too many strikers at the beginning of the season, since we were going to mostly play only one during any given game. And hey presto, we are pretty much down to our 3rd striker on a regular basis, until the other two get fit (and that will take time from what we have all seen so far this season) . Sell Allen and get an immediate replacement? Frankly, my trust in the entire transfer system's structure, process and results at LFC is mediocre at best. It's too "hit or miss" and there have been far more misses then hits the past few years. Hold on to Allen until the summer and then see what's available out there.

29 Oct 2015 09:10:04
I do get what your saying and in fact we now seem to be on striker number 4. My concern is Lucas being slower seems to be a yellow card waiting to happen and so does Allen and both seem to have some weaknesses in their game. To be fair that may be an accepted risk of the role but it feels like if we're going to try to cover a DM role we need more than one player who can cover it. I'm with you that I'd like to have seen Can developed there, considering his age he's 3-4 years away from his prime and has the potential to learn that role well.

29 Oct 2015 09:16:38
He is no back up for Lucas at all, in fact we don't have a quality back up for Lucas or DM since Mascherano left.

Allen is typical ball playing midfielder who plays alongside a top class DM. He is no Holding midfielder.

Allen is good in keeping the ball and is a master of short passes ( mainly sideways though ) .

You should question the manager if they play him as the holding midfielder or a DM.

29 Oct 2015 09:43:50
Allen for me is a model professional . no talk no BS, no ranting, no demanding, satisfied player, ready when the team wants. ready to play wherever the manager wants. ready to be on bench, ready to give his best, tackles all they (some of them rash), and won't mind getting on the nerves of a player twice his size. yeah he might not be a square root of world class but he is a player i don't mind finishing his career with LFC. he looks a top bloke and isn't as bad as people make him to be out here . he is a professional out and out kinda reminds me of dirk kuyt. I think he is a model Klopp team player full of running and running and running, just needs direction at times and probably klopp can't get the best of allen. LOOKS LIKE PIRLO :)

29 Oct 2015 10:01:34
Harry - I think i could listen to you talking about midfield roles all day long. Love it!

29 Oct 2015 10:49:58
And there was me thinking the defensive midfielder and the holding midfielder were the same thing 😂
Cheers for that Harry :-) Xxx.

29 Oct 2015 10:53:49
That's funny Harry, because for a long time you wanted to get rid of Lucas. In the summer, you wanted Schneiderline ane Kovacic and us to bin Lucas. Perhaps you need to decide first which side you want to stand before talking?

29 Oct 2015 12:05:36
Chirivela is better than allen.

29 Oct 2015 12:27:46
I think Allen probably isn't a world beater but to be fair he just gets on with it. The problem is is when you start putting the likes on Hendo, Milner and Allen all on the pitch it doesn't work. Milner i don't think should ever be on the pitch. don't rate him. Why is he being played in the centre when he cannot measure a pass. Hendo is the best of the 3 by a mile and can't wait for him to get back in the team. Proper engine and i'm looking forward to see his development under Klopp. Allen i don't think should be in our strongest 11 but to be fair he's a decent swuad player if Hendo, can, Lucas needs resting.

29 Oct 2015 08:32:34
IMO Firmino should be used as the main striker. Benteke is hopeless unless the ball is getting crossed into the box.

29 Oct 2015 09:10:29
Strong candidate for the most ludicrous post of the year this one.

29 Oct 2015 09:45:10
Did you just win a game on Fifa with firmino on top so you thought you would post such a ridiculous comment?

29 Oct 2015 12:33:05
I prefer RF in MF but to be fair to NS03 he plays as forward sometimes for Brazil does he not?

29 Oct 2015 04:17:00
did not get to see the match but according to fellow posters i gather texeira had good game, brannagan impressed and so did Firmino.
I would like to ask would you like any of the three against chelsea on saturday? i would think Firmino could definitely start. and maybe texeira for coutinho/lallana? also we got i think first look at Randall also? how was his performance? Not much on him in the threads below.
Man so many fresh faces i wished i could have seen the match Live.
By the way it is my appy Birthday today and Klopp's first win is on my Birthday (IST) . YAY! :P.

{Ed001's Note - happy birthday mate.}

29 Oct 2015 06:07:52
Teixiera for Lallana is no brainier to me. Looked magnificent yesterday. Firmino should start and showed yesterday what he is all about.

29 Oct 2015 06:23:19
No. I don't think any of Brannagan, Teixeira or Randall should start against Chelsea. At some level, they all did well, but Chelsea away is not the game to give them a PL start.

29 Oct 2015 06:47:22
Everyone is getting way over excited here!
Bogdan was excellent, Firmino and Ibe much improved, for me Ibe was MOM.
Texeira showed promise but is nowhere near first team standard if we still consider ourselves a top team.
Brannagan was average and a little erratic annd Randall was standard, nothing special.
Chelsea away is a different story, but my team would be :
Bogdan, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Coutinho, Lucas, Firmino, Milner, Ibe in a 5 man midfield and Benteke as a lone striker if fit.

29 Oct 2015 07:25:54
I will disagree with the above two. Y do you guys think Lallana would score a hat trick on Saturday?
Let's be honest here. Rossitter is million miles better than Milner and Teixiera couldn't play worse than Lallana.
One of Rossitter / Teixiera should play against Chelsea. And all down to pure Merit.

29 Oct 2015 07:40:39
Rossitter is NOT "million miles" better than Milner. As poor has Milner has been, and as promising as Jordan is, it is ludicrous to make such absurd statements, but I am not surprised it has come from the the flake that is Harry.

29 Oct 2015 07:44:39
And needless to say, your ignorance shows through once again Harry. Pray tell how Rossitter plays against Chelsea when he is injured?

Let us know which name you chose next to hide away.

29 Oct 2015 07:48:50
Have you not seen Lallana lately? I know some say he dithers too much and has too many touches, but when confident and in form, he's one of our best players. How can you say Rossitter is "million miles better than Milner"? I like the lad but it's early days and you're comparing him to a guy that's won the league. Milner may not fit Klopp's style, but we haven't seen enough of Rossitter to know if he does either, so let's just tone down the rhetoric eh?

29 Oct 2015 08:06:25
Let me just make myself very clear: I don't rate Milner; I think he was an unnecessary signing, and I said so before he was signed. Nothing I have seen suggests he warrants a starting place week in week out so far, but to through an injured Rossitter in place of Milner's experience for an important game like away to Chelsea, is something I don't agree with. And I haven't even talked about the different roles Milner and Rossitter plays on the pitch.

29 Oct 2015 08:56:22
Rossitter is a better Central midfielder than James Milner. he should get the nod ahead of Milner once he comes back.

29 Oct 2015 08:57:40
If now isn't the time these guys will have a shot at someone like Chelsea then when is? They're collapsing and waiting for their manager to be given the push. Personally I hope Klopp selects on form and doing a job and not on we mustn't play anyone under 23 against these sides.

As for Lallana, I think he's better than the worst digs he gets here but nowhere near as good as the best ratings he gets either. He's a decent player, borderline international standard, his best is good but I don't believe he'd be an automatic starter at a top 4 side.

I didn't think Brannigan or Randall did enough to be ready yet but Teixera, Firminho and the rested Coutinho are all players who can make more happen. My biggest concern is we don't seem to have a single finisher fit now and for all the abilities of Origi and Firminho or any of the others available they are 10 goals a season chipping in players, not finishers.

29 Oct 2015 10:59:39
And drop who? Milner has been playing as a right sided player under Klopp, that tucks in when we don't have the ball. You want Rossitter to play that role? Or perhaps you want us to drop Lucas or Can?

29 Oct 2015 12:41:25
I think Rossitter will be better than JM, i'm not a fan of JM and think he doesn't do that much in the centre. But in terms of experience he does have more over Rossitter. If we are playing a youngster against Chelski i'd rather keep it to 1, Chelski are poor atm so maybe we can get a result. Not saying the Youngsters aren't good enough but maybe having experience for this game makes more sense! i'd start Tex over AL most days.

29 Oct 2015 01:14:59
Got a good insight into Sturridge's injury troubles from a physio who has previously done contracted work at Liverpool (and still keeps in touch) . People like myself previously fell into the trap of thinking that Sturridge may have a soft attitude when it comes to fitness, but this guy I spoke to set the record straight.


"Soft (alluding to Fairclough's Sturridge comments) is a harsh word. A person who uses explosive speed and power is more prone to muscular injuries. Some of those injuries can be painful, the rehab process can be terrible.

You have to remember that Studge had quad problems, then his hip gave out. Surgery on a hip is not pleasant. I will hold back my thoughts on the hip/quad injuries last season.

But you have to understand the mindset of an injured athlete, or one coming off a bad injury. They take something like a knee clash and will use a lot of precaution. It maybe a mental thing.

People comparing Suarez and Sturridge are mad.

Suarez played with a broken hand, and sometimes would re-break it every game, but that was not an injury to his legs, and it stopped him diving.

I fully back the precaution we are taking with him this early in the season. The risk/reward is we get him right, ease him back in without smashing him and get him firing for January and the back half of the season.

With Sturridge, I would also be limiting him to PL games only. No COC, no FA, and bench in Europa home games. I wouldn't send him to a farm in Russia or Sweden.

He can come off the bench if we need a goal, otherwise, stay seated my friend. "

"Your hips go due to a range of things. With athletes, ankles go, when the ankles are weak, knees go, when the knees are whacked, hips go.

With Sturridge, he had knee issues, but he always looked like his muscular shape never diminished, meaning he had very good genetics enabling him to keep the density of muscles.
The strength was probably missing though.

I would say the knee wasn't fully fit, and the quad wasn't strong enough, causing his hip to go.

I heard his hip went against United last year at home, walking up stairs, and he slipped. Freak accident, but the stability of the muscles and knee joints weren't where they needed to be.

Negligence? Maybe. Rushing him back to save Rodgers job. Probably. Mentally weak? No, probably just mentally fragile. I am surprised clubs don't employ sports psychologists for players going through injury problems.

There is another player on our books going through the same thing, Jon Flannagan.

Suarez wore the strap for his hand and wrist. Eventually it became a superstition.

NBA player Rip Hamilton wore a face mask when he didn't need it, because he had a bad game without it. ".

29 Oct 2015 05:22:38
If some of it seems out of context, like Hamilton and Suarez, they were just answers to questions I asked.

29 Oct 2015 06:14:29
I really think fans certainly don't think Sturridge is weak minded or fragile minded. Weak and fragile minded players don't start banging in goals as soon as they return from injury. So i think no fan really think that sturridge has mental issues regards to his injury. though some EX players and coaches have that view, its best not to hear to them

for us its just that he is such a destructive player and he certainly makes a huge difference to our team when he is in it. and his being injured builds frustration, fans are just waiting and waiting because of his undeniable quality because we know he makes our team better. but he hasn't been able give us a full season yet and that frustrates fans. So ultimately that frustration is vent out here in form of negative comments.
I kid you not THE SEASON STURRIDGE IS FIT FOR THE SEASON is the season we will win the league. I don't think there is a striker but aguero in EPL that has goal threat and ability like that of Sturridge. We can get him Fit and we will but we need to stick by him when he is injured.

29 Oct 2015 06:27:14
Thanks man.

29 Oct 2015 08:15:40
We're talking about a different context for being weak-minded, akshit. Not the kind of weak mentality that doubts one self's ability, but the one that doubt's one self's physical capacity to actually play. Many fans like myself have fallen into this trap of believing that Daniel Sturridge *maybe* acts like a little girl when he's injured, but my physio mate explained that's not the case.

In saying that, Sturridge probably still does have to overcome whatever-sized mental hurdles whenever he steps back on to the pitch. If you don't feel anxious about getting another career/team disrupting injury then you are one cool cat.

Totally agree with the sentiments about his ability though. When in peak form, Sturridge is a HELL of a player. Not many strikers can boast his raw athleticism, explosiveness and goal-scoring ability all-in-one. When he's in the team as a fully grooved in player, he gives us much higher dimensions of attack to work with.

29 Oct 2015 00:01:11
First start tonight for Brannagan and I have to say I was very impressed. Didn't put a foot wrong all night and although he won't excite like Teixeira can, he showed his solidness. Well done son. Well done.

29 Oct 2015 00:37:00
Tonight was good and a step forward few of the young lads really showing there hot on the heels of some players but instead of origi would love to of seen sinclare up top to see what he's got. Be interesting to see what the chelski game brings as in what players get selected. Buzzzzing.

29 Oct 2015 01:48:36
Teixiera and Rossitter should be regular going into the season.

29 Oct 2015 02:17:51
Apart from their different positions in midfield, I see Brannagan as more of a Lampard type. He's not the type that's going to dazzle everyone in his first few top-grade debuts. Assuming that stardom is his destiny, he will steadily develop into a simple but greatly effective midfielder. West Ham fans were having doubts over how great Lampard was as a young lad, even to the point where his uncle Harry had to defend him at that fan meeting. Look at the player he then became through hard work and good attitude. I think his status as U21s captain already reflects a good attitude.