Liverpool Banter Archive October 29 2016

29 Oct 2016 22:10:26
I think a special mention should go to the traveling fans, they were amazing.

30 Oct 2016 03:01:19
Yes mate +++.

29 Oct 2016 19:43:38
Any chance of match review ed?

{Ed001's Note - just doing it now.}

29 Oct 2016 21:47:28
Some of the football we played tonight was out of this world. An absolute pleasure to watch.
Well done lads. brilliant!

29 Oct 2016 23:34:46
Great team performance.
Palace couldn't cope with our movement and pace of moving the ball.
Well done lads

Ps that Mcarthur is a tidy footballer. Impressive to say the least.

30 Oct 2016 05:28:42
But poor defending again. If we are going to challenge the top 4 we need to be more solid.

Great to watch but it will cost us.

29 Oct 2016 20:58:38
Our front 3 are all 24 years old. Henderson is 26. Emre can is only 22 years old. Let that sink in. Origi is 21
Matip looks a fantastic defender, 25. Karius 23. BTW he hit a few out towards the end but for the most part his passing out was outstanding.
Fantastic group of young outstanding players with their best years ahead of them. I do worry about coutinho if Barcelona etc call but in all its a great out look.

30 Oct 2016 00:32:48
Karius needs to improve, that much is certain, his passing out is a great attribute but its other fundamentals that he has lacked so far, i haven't really seen him make really good saves yet, although i think he made a decent one today. Still very early and the jurys still out but i couldn't say he's any better than mignolet, apart from distrubution. that's not to be a negative spin on the result, another 3 points and we are playing the best football in the league at the minute, but matip and at times milner have been our only bright parts in defence.

I agree, we have to make certain we retain our best players, otherwise we won't be able to build on what we are making this season.

30 Oct 2016 02:14:54
Kman, what exactly did Karius do wrong?

29 Oct 2016 20:00:16
I see Alan pardew whining about 3 penalties but forgets about the handball that prevented couts scoring. His team got played of the park and to deflect his teams performance and their crap home record that was the only card he had to play. I absolutely detest the man.

29 Oct 2016 20:06:54
Can't stand him either. He's a little upstart.

29 Oct 2016 20:07:52
He is a better dancer than manager.

29 Oct 2016 20:09:04
Sour grapes from Pardew. His team were played off the park. Oh, and we look awesome.

29 Oct 2016 20:36:52
What penalties, zaha should have seen yellow for continuous diving.

29 Oct 2016 20:37:05
And he's a crap dancer.

29 Oct 2016 20:40:50
Don't you just love it when you beat a bad loser 😎.

29 Oct 2016 20:51:43
Who's worse? him or Tiny penis? (wba! )

29 Oct 2016 21:44:12
BT Sport always have Howard Webb in the studio appraising referee descisions. He said that all three of Palaces penalty decisions were correct and that Andre Mariner was absolutely right to disallow them.
However, he said that Liverpool should have been awarded a penalty for a definite Crystal Palace hand ball.
Stick that in your pipe Pardew!

30 Oct 2016 02:19:50
None often hem were penalties and we don't need Webbo to tell us that. Zaha is a diver and does absolutely nothing to stay on his feet so when he gets past you, he's already stumbling and on his way down. Same things happened today. Pardew should put a sock in it because he team got hammered and should have been six. Pathetic, really.

30 Oct 2016 03:24:14
Howard Webb has switch allegiance from manU to us?

29 Oct 2016 19:54:13
I think, people who think klopp is a one trick man manager coach needs to look at the difference between the two preferd forewards for us and his successful Dortmund teams.
Firminio and emerick
Position versus pace.

29 Oct 2016 20:45:59
Let's see how the season progresses, but i see Klopp figuring out how to beat even the Mourinhos of this world.

Repeat for the last 3/ 4 of the season and we will be champs on 87 points.

29 Oct 2016 21:56:02
position or precision?

29 Oct 2016 21:57:50
nevermind, had a brainfart.

29 Oct 2016 22:31:32
Zed, you might want to check out Klopp's overall record against Mourinho 😄😄.

29 Oct 2016 23:19:40
Or maybe just enjoy it.

29 Oct 2016 23:31:07
Good point, Ron!

I meant in the EPL!

*hides face*.

30 Oct 2016 00:42:15
Zed he also beat mourinho last season in the epl 3-1 so its 1 win and 1 draw so still a good record. I think its very unfair to call him a one trick pony, i think we can all agree we where very suprised to see a change in system at the beginning of the season from his prefered 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3, and he did that to suit the players he had.

A midfield of hendo, wiji and lallana was almost unthinkable considering most of us wanted a more defensive midfielder, but it worked for the most part. So he's capable of change, its just the defensive side we have continued to be bad in. Its almost like he concedes that we will let in goals so we have to focus on outscoring.

Zonal marking has to be scrapped, and we have to really emphasise on crosses (either from corners or open play) . That would be my only criticism in an otherwise brilliant start to the season. We have been the best attacking team in the league quite easily.

30 Oct 2016 02:24:41
Klopp owns Mou in the head to head and Klopp plays multiple systems like the 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or the 4-4-2 diamond like we did vs Dortmund at home, Saints on the road last season and vs Spurs in the League Cup this week, all wins. He's no one trick pony and evidence bears that out.

29 Oct 2016 19:52:50
We are exciting, entertaining. We score goals for fun and we conced goals for fun.
We are the most watched side on all the TV across the globe. We are the favorites of nreutrals. But we ain't any compete team and we wouldn't win the league.

11 years since Rafa left and 11 years since I had a belief in my defense.

Great Sunday ahead.

29 Oct 2016 20:04:30
I know the defence have let in 2 tonight but it is hard to be overly critical considering Moreno set up the first, Lovren scored the second, and Matip scored the third!

29 Oct 2016 20:39:54
11 years since Rafa left? Maths clearly not your strong point.

29 Oct 2016 21:42:57
My bad. 7 years.

29 Oct 2016 22:33:43
So can I interpret from your post that you don't believe we can win the league?
Disappointing.

30 Oct 2016 08:19:32
Ron
Always like to read your posts due to your positivity. If fans don't think we can win the league this year, I don't know what more Klopp can do to convince people. Joint top of the league, away victories at Arsenal Chelsea Palace (a bogey team in previous years) . YES WE CAN WIN THE LEAGUE!

29 Oct 2016 19:51:08
The Can, Wynaldum debate. Both different type of player but both do an effective job for the way Klopp likes to play. Can takes more of a chance whereas Gino is a safer player. For me Can carries the ball better which changes the tempo more and is my choice from the start. I'm sure it will be dependent on what opponent we face.

29 Oct 2016 20:42:10
Wiji passes the ball and transitions the ball better in my eyes. But Can is more physical and more direct. It's healthy competition for places along with the likes of sturridge, origi, ings, TAA, Stewart and hopefully Moreno and Gomez all pushing for first 11 it's great to see.

29 Oct 2016 19:43:53
Master class by Coutinho tonight. Brilliant passing and excellent distribution of the ball. Central midfield is his true calling. This could be the season of seasons for him.

How did we not score 7-8 goals tonight?

10 games have been played. And I would say we're on course for the title. Our one worrying weakness is the defense and only the left side with Lovren/ Moreno/ Lucas taking turns at major errors. Our attack is probably the best in the league. And the midfield is up there with the best.

29 Oct 2016 19:34:53
Well I think I said around 6 months ago that Firmino best position is number 9.

29 Oct 2016 19:26:52
OK ed001

10 games in can we have that eagerly awaited analysis you promised please?

3pts today that's all that matters forget the mistakes there was loads in all the games today, palace are our bogey team and we came away with the win.

23pts -10 games Personally I'm happy.

{Ed001's Note - I will do that this week for you mate.}

29 Oct 2016 20:03:59
Cheers ed looking forward to that 👍🏻.

29 Oct 2016 15:16:13
Watching Dele Alli and though I believe he is one who got away, I still think Spurs was a good move for him as he would have been wasted in Liverpool.

29 Oct 2016 15:36:14
Rodgers would've had him playing right wing back! So he dodged a bullet there.

He also wouldn't get into our current team. Who would he replace out of Lallana, Coutinho, Mane and Firmino?

29 Oct 2016 16:32:24
More like playing U23.

29 Oct 2016 13:16:30
Hi Red family hope it's ok if I share this with you guys.
About three weeks ago I posted that my mam had cancer and we hadn't really spoken. Well unfortunately yesterday she passed away and I was never really allowed to make my peace with her. She had a great life and really knew how to enjoy herself. She's at home and even now I'm not being let in. I will be there at the graveside to say goodbye. I just have to concentrate on my family and just try and get on with things.

29 Oct 2016 13:37:52
Oh that's a sad news mate. RIP to her soul.

29 Oct 2016 13:41:30
Really sorry to hear that Barry. Your mum will be in a better place now without any pain and suffering. All you can do is keep you head up, keep your dignity and strength over the next few days.

29 Oct 2016 13:44:31
Condolences for your loss buddy.

29 Oct 2016 13:53:28
Sorry, Barry.

29 Oct 2016 14:12:36
Sorry for your loss, Barry.

29 Oct 2016 15:01:51
Gutted for your loss mate. YNWA.

29 Oct 2016 15:17:12
Ever so sorry to hear that news Barry, chin up fella, things will improve mate. Easier said then done, I know.

{Ed001's Note - my condolences Barry, and my best wishes to you and your family.}

29 Oct 2016 15:19:26
Hi Barry.
Im sorry for your loss and more so for your circumstances.
You say that your mum knew how to enjoy herself so remember her like that.
Don't let the negatives drag you down.
Spend time with your own kids as they have lost their nan and may not understand the situation.
YNWA pal.

29 Oct 2016 16:01:16
That sucks barry. Blood is thick and red and You will make peace in your own way mate. All the best dude.

Ynwa baz.

29 Oct 2016 16:34:05
Thank you all so muck for all kind words. I get great comfort and strength from reading them.

29 Oct 2016 16:59:46
I'm sure all our thoughts are with you Barry. Sorry for your loss.

29 Oct 2016 17:01:51
Really sorry to hear this Barry, YNWA.

29 Oct 2016 17:07:17
YNWA Barry
Up the pool.

29 Oct 2016 19:34:16
Condolences to you and your family Barry.
YNWA.

29 Oct 2016 21:27:53
Sorry for the loss Barry : (

29 Oct 2016 23:14:03
Sorry for your loss my heart goes out to you mate YNWA.

29 Oct 2016 23:38:03
So sorry for you. Wise words from dermot. I hope you find peace.

29 Oct 2016 10:20:22
Ed01,If you are around.
Who would you pick from the two?
Wijnaldum or Schniderlin.

{Ed001's Note - is this a real question? Wijnaldum has been part of a successful team for us, while Schneiderlin has not been able to get his career going since joining Man Utd. It is not a difficult pick is it?}

29 Oct 2016 10:25:01
Whose a better player in that position pen alonsgdie Henderson? I always rated Morgan.

29 Oct 2016 10:33:43
Michelle Keegan or Sonia Jackson?

29 Oct 2016 10:34:13
Two completely different players which makes the question a bit odd too.

29 Oct 2016 10:49:19
Must be a wind up question.

29 Oct 2016 10:50:12
Even Sonia Jackson is better than Schneiderlin.

29 Oct 2016 10:50:40
Sweet Chin

Schniderlin is not getting games while Wijnaldum is first choice at Liverpool. They are not even one in the same player.

Are you suggesting that we need to add Schniderlin to our midfield? If that is the case then we may as well bring Shrek from UTD too. Klopp will be doing more than just Kung Fu kicks on the sidelines. That is for sure.

29 Oct 2016 10:58:47
Never rated Morgan just like his buddy Wanyama. He should never have left the Saints as he and Wanyama have been exposed as system players as in, players who work well in a system and once taken out of it, they are revealed as poor.

29 Oct 2016 11:16:31
I used to like Morgan while he was at saints. But he was chasing his own shadow since he joined united.

{Ed001's Note - he has not been used correctly, but he is not suited to our system either.}

29 Oct 2016 11:24:28
The Schneiderlin we saw at Saints is the better of the two players, but the Schneidelin at Man Utd is worse than a conference league player. Wijnaldum on the other hand has improved with every game and may go on to be better than Southampton's Scheiderlin.

29 Oct 2016 11:50:45
id stick with wijnaldum. we don't have a true dm, bt i actually like how its working now with all 3 midfielder expected to cover each other both in attack and defense.

its not perfect, bt i'd like to think nothing is.

29 Oct 2016 12:05:15
You got that spot on Indian.
Morgan was fantastic at saints and I would have taken him over any other CM in a heart heart. People can go around and beat all their bushes. Morgan is a wonderful player. A midfielder who could actually pass and Tackle.

29 Oct 2016 09:12:22
See lots of discussion going on about Clyne. This season Clyne is slightly better than last season. The only reason why he is our regular is because he has no competition in the first team squad. It was the same with Skrtel who road his luck for many years and when Klopp arrived we had a manager who could finally see that Skrtel was not good enough.

Clyne's value is increasing and chances are he will be off next summer. He has no choice but to get stuck in and perform better as he knows potential suitors are watching.

This past summer the club wanted to move Clyne on. ED001 and ED002 were clear on this and is the reason why Clyne was unhappy.

There will be those who disagree, Clyne clearly is not the long term solution otherwise the club would not have been offering him around. He will be our regular until the end of the season. The more minutes he clocks up, the further his value increases.

29 Oct 2016 09:53:55
He's not a world beater but personally I think he is an excellent right back for a top six club.
Reliable, consistent and effective- and significantly better than he was last season.
I think we would struggle to find a good upgrade on him at the moment, although klopp must have had a couple of players in mind if he was trying to sell Clyne?

29 Oct 2016 10:15:49
Our squad is just far to big, we have many less games than last season.

There was no point in signing another RB unless we could move Clyne on. If we had signed another RB without moving Clyne on then that in return would also hamper chances for our youngsters. Clyne would also then be sitting on our bench and add no value as in the situation with Moreno.

Clyne will do for now, he is not the worst RB you will find. Problem is that he is 25 now and is not showing that he has the ability to take it to the next level.

29 Oct 2016 10:20:43
He's alright but excellent? nah, he's playing good but I agree max he will be off in the summer, I hope TAA can step up. the lad looks brilliant and I believe he can do the job, even now! but yeah it's worth playing Clyne until the end of the season get his value up and cash in.

29 Oct 2016 10:36:48
it would cost 30m plus to replace Clyne. also being English helps with quotas

unless he goes downhill expect to see him at Lpool for a few yrs.

29 Oct 2016 11:02:34
Clyne is serviceable and nothing more. Besides, good fullbacks left or right, are becoming a rare breed as most now are converted wingers who lack positional awareness and defensive nous. Clyne will do for now but excellent, he like his England colleague Walker, he is definitely not.

29 Oct 2016 11:20:27
I think the point is that while he won't go down as one of the greats, are there really many better right backs out there who we could just go pick up? Personally I don't think there are, would be interested to hear proven upgrades on him that we could go for instead.

29 Oct 2016 11:26:40
Why would it take 30 million to replace Clyne? We already have Flanno and TAA waiting in the wings and Milner will probably used as cover for RB anyways once a new LB arrives in the summer. People expecting Klopp to splurge money on a new RB will be disappointed. Clyne will simply be replaced by a new LB.

29 Oct 2016 11:34:41
Yeah I'm with the majority of posters here when I say he is no better than decent, he has a complete inability to mark on crosses. Borja Baston should have put us out of sight from Clyne's inability to mark him and Ibra could have pinched the 3 points last week from another Clyne switch-off. He's shown improvement in his all round play this season but his inability to man mark stops him being a top right back. If the rumours of £25m+ are true then we would be mad not to accept.

29 Oct 2016 12:19:26
Completely agree with IB. Replacing Clyne is free.

I see Flanno providing cover to TAA next year, unless he can really shake off his injury at Burnley, then it may be the other way round.

Would be nice for Clyne to leave with a medal or two, tho!

29 Oct 2016 14:13:57
nither of the two you've listed have proved they can play 1st team for a long run of a season-

If you want a title winning team nither of the 2 you listed would instantly make any top 6 team.

29 Oct 2016 15:25:35
I don't understand how people still see Flanaghan as an option. 2 years injured, and now 1 year on loan with probably minimal playing time. I like the boy and all that, but come on. It's too much of a risk to count on him, even as a backup. Some players will simply not make it - either due to lack of ability, lack of effort or bad luck. In Flanno's case, it's sadly bad luck. I'm not writing him off, but I don't see the light at the end of this tunnel.