Liverpool Banter Archive September 29 2014

 

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29 Sep 2014 19:14:06
So gentlemen your thoughts? Humbled by a 'small club' from across the park after Jag's wonder strike at the end? Balotelli's theatrics were an embarrassment to be honest, diving at any opportunity to gain free kicks/penalties. Where did he learn that from? Something clearly being prepared for at Melwood? You thought you'd got rid of one cheat only to buy another.
Now you've the added investigation of FFP breathing down your necks. You're not allowed to spend and pay more than you're capable of financing!

So enjoy the blue half of Merseyside celebrating this week after that finish. Big Brenda has much to ponder on. Unless you finish in top four the Yanks will get rid and Sterling will be off to Real Madrid. Enjoy!

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Celebrating a draw! your right small club from across the park

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29 Sep 2014 19:33:23
Yes, I will enjoy the blue half celebrating a draw.

Should we expect a DVD release?

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Says more about you guys celebrating a draw than us! I suppose it is an improvement on the battering you got last game we played!

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Come back at the end of the season and we will talk again now get your homework done and get to bed.

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Typical bluenose wheres your trophies lad? shhhhhhhhh.

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I wish I was as happy with a draw as this guy.

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Hard to blame him celebrating a draw, he probably wasn't even born last time they won a derby at Enfield (this still didn't happen this century). The real sad thing for the Toffees is that we had such a horrible start to the league, really one of the worst I can remember, and we are still above them in the league table.

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29 Sep 2014 20:34:55
Yeah we were really humbled by you .you played us off the park and financially I don't think Everton fans can really shout their mouths of 28m for that big lump up front he will be your Andy Carroll 1 goal in 5 if your lucky.

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29 Sep 2014 20:55:43
Can you remind us who ye are playing on Wed night ? Oh wait . . .

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So that's why they say;
"If you want to know something about liverpool, ask an evertonian, they're more obsessed with liverpool than they're own team! ! : )

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29 Sep 2014 21:21:33
Eds. Thanks a ton for putting up the OP. Look at the unity around here.
Seems its a wicked idea by Ed01 to get the people together. lols

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Can't say I saw any 'theatrics', just Everton players trying to kick lumps out of Liverpool players. Oh and Barry should have been off inside 12 minutes

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30 Sep 2014 00:34:40
Amazing that a guy would come to gloat about scraping a draw and not being the champions league. I agree about pathetic diving from Mario but if you had watched Everton at all you would see that Mirallas and Naismith are just as much a pansy.

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Small club mentality at it`s best. As they say, if you want to know how Lfc is doing, ask an Everton fan. There`s a reason we call your pathetic club NEVERTON. No trophy in TWENTY yrs and NO WINS in Anfield for FIFTEEN yrs. Nuff said!

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Pretty poor banter, really. Was expecting something a bit more witty.

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Reading through all the replies you got, I hope you understand the stupidity of your post, Davey?

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30 Sep 2014 12:05:17
Humbled? We were clearly the better team. Also, I hope you guys have fun celebrating a draw, most small and mediocre clubs do.

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29 Sep 2014 16:51:48
Has Ilori done something bad? like stand up to being kept in the youth set up? has he upset Brendan in training? i can't figure it out, he has the potential to be world class in my opinion, does he think he deserves more than the under 21's ? i don't know, i do know we will waste another young future star if we don't give him a chance.

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{Ed002's Note - He is on loan.}

When he comes back obviously!

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Would like to see him given a chance at right back when he comes back, him and Manquillo fighting it out wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Logical Red

Illori never has been and never will be a RB

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30 Sep 2014 12:26:07
Ilori at right back? Why do people always advocate for weird positional changes?

Ilori at right back, Gerrard at centre back, Agger in centre midfield etc.

Why not just give me a chance at centre back, you know the position Rodgers and the club spent millions of pounds on him for?

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29 Sep 2014 15:42:42
So we are only 3 points behind 4th but we have played some difficult games. We have played 2nd/3rd/6th/8th/12th and an everton team which were incredibly lucky and will get better. If you look at man utd who I believe is our biggest challenge for 4th and only 1 point above us they have played 5th (Swansea!), 11th, 12th, 16th, 18th and 20th. Sturridge will be back to give us the firepower we have been missing. Looks like arsenal are racking up the injuries as well. We will get better and let's enjoy being back in the Champions League. enjoy the moment!

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Good man

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29 Sep 2014 18:30:33
Thank you, Red Vinny, for putting it into context.

The time to start panicking (a la Corporal Jones) would be if we come a cropper to the 3rd team who play in claret and blue on boxing day.

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Not sure these standings mean much at this stage - AV and WHU would have been 3 or 5 places lower if they haven't beaten us and these were both games we were favourite to win. I will be amazed if ManU lose to AV at home and I am not sure at all if WHU will beat them at home. And if Everton play as bad defensively as they play in the last month MANU will beat them at home. I don't think we had a terribly hard draw to start with. In any case it is not only the results but the performances and for me especially the lack of threat on goal. let's see first if that improves massively with Sturridge coming back (as I hope it would) and then give predictions. By the way I saw some of the WBA's match yesterday and if anyone think they are there for the taking he is wrong. They are very quick and can score goals. They scored two goals from corners which we weren't able at all so far even though I think we had maybe 25 corner kicks maybe more (more generally I don't think we scored even one header this season and accurate crosses from the wings were almost non existant). WBA scored 7 goals in their last two games and have beaten Spurs In White Heart Lane. They are beatable of course but we have to be much more clinical in our finish, score first and probably score more than once. And they will come fresh while most of our guys will play tomorrow as well.

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29 Sep 2014 13:44:47
Eds, I replied to Walton Red earlier on "constructive criticism". but that thread has now been deleted; abuse?

Walton Red, if you didn't see the reply, I just replied earlier that I thought your reply to mine was very good and something I understand.

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{Ed002's Note - Sadly we have a couple of complete vegetables trolling the site today.}

AG, no worries mate, I never thought it personal. I agree, there are areas where Brendan can improve, no manager's perfect. But I really think that the positives of this guy far outway the negative, what he has done over the last 18 months has been nothing short of miraculous.

I fear that some of that is being forgotten and people are quick to forget how bad things were not so long ago.

I also think that the decent constructive criticism sometimes gets caught up in all the reactionary nonsense, then it all becomes a bit silly and counter productive.

Personally, I think we well over-achieved last season, due to various factors, and I think this year, when we find our feet, we'll hopefully get top four. I don't think the league is realistic this year (Cue Harry's balanced response). ;)

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29 Sep 2014 14:04:23
No comments mate.

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I think you will start to see the very best of this Liverpool team next season.
A year further down the line and new players and expectations will have settled and something very sustainable will start to emerge that isn't so heavily one or two player dependant.
I hope you don't mind me having a view, although I'm very much an Arsenal fan I'm also a football fan who grew up watching the Liverpool machine built and maintained by Shankly Paisley and Fagan that just kept reinventing its self as star plyers came and went, unbelievable both then and now how they did it so simply without buying all the top players but by transforming decent players into top players

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Cheers gunner, good balanced thoughts, nice to have you back on the page.

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Gunner, you've probably got a better view than half the warped bias minds on here

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Very good post my friend.

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29 Sep 2014 12:57:26
thanks for your time and efforts
regards

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29 Sep 2014 12:31:32
Just a quickie, If LFC are on the verge of failing FFP as rumoured, surely this will have a huge effect on any future transfer deals? I Also fail to understand the logic in the huge fines, the FFP rules are supposedly to stop clubs from over spending yet the punishment is to add more financial woe onto the clubs, surely that's counter productive and putting the clubs at further risk of financial ruin, yes i know the obvious answer is don't fail, but the FFP rules are so confusing its inevitable clubs will fail, I think a ban from Competitions in Europe would be a better way, with the threat of longer term bans if they fail again. yes clubs will miss out financially but I think its better for the long term health of clubs to do it this way. I think these huge fines are more of a risk to clubs going under, Can you shed a light on where the fines go? is it used for charitable work or development elsewhere in the game fair enough, I do recall clubs can claim back some if not all the cash if they comply? am i right in thinking that ? if so what's the circumstances to do so?

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Some fines, like CL money being taken away gets distributed evenly between all teams in the competition that aren't breaking rules

which ends up as a tiny sum each as there are so many teams

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{Ed002's Note - The FFP rules are far from confusing as the original poster notes. The fines are split in part to those not breaching the rules and in part are providing a fund for UEFA and the work that they do. There appear to be three clubs in breach of the wages ruling for the EPL this year that will attract further attention. Past records will also be taken in to account and mitigation may be submitted. Right now it looks like one of those clubs will have their group stage prize money withheld, one will not have any immediate sanction and the third is not in the competition. I think we have already gone far enough with FFP that we can drop the entire finance subject for a while more.}

29 Sep 2014 16:30:10
That is Liverpool and the two Manchester clubs in trouble then.

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{Ed002's Note - No. We need to move on from all of this.}

29 Sep 2014 11:04:26
I am really hoping that when Ilori comes back, Rodgers plans on playing him. He, from what I have seen of him at Bordeaux, Sporting and Granada, looks like a very composed young player, not Sterling composed, but good enough. He has a lot of pace, quicker than Ronaldo was when he was at the Sporting academy, and his passing is exceptionally good for someone so young and in his position, he looks like he is being developed into a ball playing centre back which is something that Sakho and Skrtel do not provide us with. He, after this season, will have been at the club for two years without playing a full 90 minutes so Rodgers needs to decide whether he is the top youngster he was touted to be when he was brought in. Even if he isn't good enough initially he looks to have the ability to get a place on the bench ahead of Toure, which obviosly isn't hard but he will fight to get into the team unlike Toure who won't mind siting there and soaking up the wages. If and hopefully when he comes back I want Rodgers to play him in the cups and maybe start to play him when he has proved himself in training, which by my reckoning wouldn't take long.

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{Ed001's Note - why are you having a go at Toure? He wants to stay and play, not sit on the bench, but doesn't want to just slip down the levels while he still feels he is good enough to play at the top. What is your problem with that?}

I am not so sure Ilori will be playing for LFC again.

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29 Sep 2014 15:01:34
I don't think Tore is the type of chap to happilt sit on his arse collecting a wage packet. Seems to have a genuine love of playing.
However, I think he proved in the game against 'Boro that he is just not good enough anymore. I lost count of the amount of times he lost possession. Particularly when hoofing the ball forward.
I like the chap but would be sweating if he lined up for a BPL game!

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I didn't mean for my opinion of Toure to come across so badly, I read over it and realised I was being rather harsh (I am sorry Kolo). I think it just annoys me that someone who has made some quite bad mistakes when he has been picked, doesn't get dropped and gets given the chance over some of the younger guys i.e Jones, Ilori and Coates. I know that he gives us well needed experience in that area but it seems that it is being a little wasted with there not being any youngsters for him to pass it onto.

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29 Sep 2014 10:53:52
Its always been said it harder to retain the premier league title than win it the first time, in that vein getting going after such a good season last season was always going to be tough for you this time round.
Add to that losing Saurez something any team in the world would suffer from as he as totally unplayable last season plus juggling CL football and premier league campaign is something many teams have struggled to come to terms with over the years.
On top of all that the fans expectations were always going to be higher than for years because of doing so well and looking so good last season.
Imo this season was always going to be a very difficult one for you and it's how you handle it that will determine your long term future, its tricky because to panic would be silly but at the same time to ignore the obvious isn't a clever either.
Give it till Christmas and then reassess things I think would be the sensible thing to do but that's just my opinion as an outsider looking in

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29 Sep 2014 11:07:46
Respect g62, very good post
Some much needed perspective

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The PL is incredibly competitive now and waiting till X;Mas might be a little too late. Some of the problems (the defending and the money being wasted) have been inherent and needs to be addressed now.

I think we have some very talented players but there is every chance that a good amount of them will be "Brendaned", to use a neologism. I think BR and his coaching buddies need to get back to the basics and fix the "broken" defending and take it from there. I would say based on our last performance, we are on the way, but it is just 1 match and I rather wait before commenting on that.

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29 Sep 2014 11:26:56
Gunner 62

Always loved your post and the humble man you are.
IMO we lost the plot in 1992. and then we just fell far and far away from the reality.

I had a talk with an old supporter who said this.

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Hind sight is a wonderful thing useless but wonderful none the less.
Reading you pages this time last year almost all were happy and very realistic in fact I admired how much the vast majority on this page accepted Rome shouldn't be built in a day and you were undertaking a long term plan for the reemergence of Liverpool football club as a major force once more.
Looking back now if you'd have finished 4th last season it might well have been better in the long term as understandably expectations have gone from 1st to 6th gear in a season.
A few years back West Ham finished 3rd behind yourself and Everton if I remember right ? Their chairman and fans all were agreed their principals of playing good football matted more than their best ever top flight finish that season.
The next season they didn't match those dizzy heights and sacked manager John Lyall, the football hadn't changed but the expectations and aspirations had, .
Slow but sure is usually longer lasting than a quick fix solution that peppers other the cracks for now

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I can only speak fro myself, but for me, I never was expecting us to challenge for the title this season. But, after spending a huge amount of money, Top 4 is a must, whichever way you look at it. Right now, LFC are way of the mark for that particular target.

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29 Sep 2014 12:15:12
Agree with AG on this.
Football has evolved and CL revneue is a must for a club like Liverpool
We have 5th highest wage bills and it would only increase with new contract extension for existing players.
Sponsors and commercial incomes would only come If you are the best in the league.

Title should have been the first real Agenda after all the hard works done last summer.

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Very reasonable post, gunner62. I think what bothers me most isn't results or our position in the table, but simply that I hugely enjoyed the way we played last year and so far this year (Spurs aside) we've regressed a bit to a more possession oriented/sit deeper/press less sort of play style. It would be a bit like watching Arsenal change from the free flowing style that is sort of your trademark to a complete park the bus strategy or something along those lines.

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AG may I remind you how many dropped points city had at the beginning of last season, and yet managed to win the league? Not saying were going to win the league but there are another 32 games ro get ourselves where we want to be, give it a chance mate

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I think if we are in the mix ( top 4 or just outside ) come Christmas, we will be ok.
We always seem to push on after Christmas.
I'm not to concerned yet, With all the injuries at the moment you could say it is damage limitation.
But I do share RDL's view of where has the fast pressing game gone? Is this purely down to our injuries? or is Brendan trying to re-invent our game?

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Always nice to hear a non Liverpool fan's view.
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30 Sep 2014 08:08:21
TBH and much love for the Arsenal fans and Gunner62, They are in as much as trouble or even more than us.
No Ramsy, No Arteta, No Giroud and No Wilshere. They were held by spurs the other day and have a match against Chelsea and could see below us by Sunday. They also have a very crucial home game against Anderlecht.
Apart from City and Chelsea, Everyone are in trouble.

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30 Sep 2014 08:08:21
TBH and much love for the Arsenal fans and Gunner62, They are in as much as trouble or even more than us.
No Ramsy, No Arteta, No Giroud and No Wilshere. They were held by spurs the other day and have a match against Chelsea and could see below us by Sunday. They also have a very crucial home game against Anderlecht.
Apart from City and Chelsea, Everyone are in trouble.

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This is a very nice (too nice) post from gunner62. I agree expectations are high and the level of difficulty and complexity this season is increased.

So I ask the question: Why splurge so much money on players this summer? Surely that in itself raises expectations and immediately puts pressure back on the manager.
We didn't need so many new players. It seems we buy so many players that we are forced to loan others out?
Our summer spending was bonkers in my opinion and immediately increased expectations and heaped pressure on the squad and the manager.

Whatever happened to "evolution not revolution", or my preference "slowly slowly catchy monkey"?

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29 Sep 2014 10:51:42
Lets not get too down about our current standing. This is not too surprising. Villa always give us a game, Agbonlahor has scorer or assisted in each of his last 4 games against us. The derby is a knife edge on which any result can waiver. Southampton are a form team, playing well against everyone, not just us.
No enquiries into our downfall. We over achieved last season but we are not yet underachieving this season. Wait for the 10 game mark before we judge this infantile league.

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Have to agree, Andy but I don't see a problem with some constructive criticism. The next 4 games in the PL for us are all very much winnable and we need to start winning and climbing the table. If we win the next 4, thee is a very good chance that we will be back in the top at the end of these run of 4 PL games.

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29 Sep 2014 10:32:26
On this Day in 1981, We lost the best Man ever to be part of our Club.

Bill Shankley.

You are deeply Missed.

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YNWA.

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For all eternity shall the name remain Bill Shankley.

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29 Sep 2014 10:32:19
lets not get to down about the weekends result 2 points dropped some might say but 1 point gained, loads of positives to take from the game, the tempo from last season was getting there, lillana starting to show his worth, ballo getting the service and looking more confident (ok he didn't score but when that first pl goal goes in i think the flood gates will open) defence looking a bit better. I for one have been a fan of joe allen and i think he has been missed in mid field since he's been injured. Onwards and up wards fellow reds

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I agree, it was one of the better performances we have put on.

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I agree, it was one of the better performances we have put on.

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The Real AG

I'll say this just once ^ lol

Derby matches are never going to be good reliable form barometers

Both teams should now take what positives they can out of the game and move on to the next one

Personally I think derbies are much too frenetic ! exciting yes however far from masterclasses in skill and precision .

Of course we could discuss exceptional goals though ;)

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Exceptional goals? more like a lucky striker ;)

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Fortunate to be in the right place at the right time maybe ?

However what technique, what a delivery,

What an occasion grabbing spectacular strike

What, yes what a feast for our eyes

Ahhhhh I could go on but why would I need to remind you of this glorious worldy ?

which changed the result and no doubt be will be an iconic landmark strike for all time

Repeat for all time :)

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Blue247 - Personally I think derbies are much too frenetic ! exciting yes however far from masterclasses in skill and precision .
I do recall a certain 4-0 masterclass that may contradict your opinion !

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Blue 247 is right. One of the best free kicks I've seen for a long time

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Blue 247. . When is the dvd of the goal out?

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29 Sep 2014 09:45:01
Saw some stuff about a live match day talk page down below
imo it wouldn't work. With some of th posters here (not u Harry)
It would be like
gerrard misplaced one pass
"His legs are gone he needs to retire"
Balotelli takes a shot when no one is in front of him
"Greediest player ever"
Lallana fails one dribble
"25 million wasted"

I shudder to think what else would happen if we play badly and lose

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29 Sep 2014 10:01:19
What happens when you fail in the exam?
You get an applause and standing owation at home?

Mate. We lost 2 back to back games against Chelsea and City last december. No one utterd a signle word against the team and rightly so.

Our performance were top class against both the title chasing team.

If you play poor, You are criticised and very rightly so.

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29 Sep 2014 10:13:03
We have played poorly no qualms about that. But people are blowing it way out of proportion
Some people here, not you have made it an agenda to criticize our players.
Eg lallana had a good game against Boro and still I am seeing people shout it was 25 million wasted on him and how he is just an average player.
Constructive Criticism i'd good. Eg hull defeat last year. I didn't used to post then but I saw here that people used to talk more sense.
Now its just criticize the managers and players without giving any explanation br out 125 million wasted etc etc.
I am just dissapointed with the way everyone here has reacted.
I believe we should bring back Hodgson for some games to show everyone how far we havr progressed.
Rant over

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29 Sep 2014 10:20:48
Our Performance against VIlla, West ham, Ludrokcs were nothing short of what you saw against Hull last season.

Not a win in 3 weeks, 7 out of possible 18 points.

There's quiet a lot out there who are dissapointed both on transfers and performance. The biggest signal we got it from Spurs last season spending money on players at will.

Players such as Lamela, Erriskon, Chadli weren't poor. They were pretty solid in their domestic league.

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For me, it will work. If people want to be negative during the match, it may be fine provided that the posts after the match are a bit more reflective.

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29 Sep 2014 10:29:50
Reet

If you really admire and consider Carra as a top class Man and a legend.
Check his latest Interview on the signings, our style of play and the things happening with the club.

I am sure you wouldn't differ him. He got it bang on.

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I think if you have spent £125 million on 10 new players and you start a new season badly on the back of being 2nd last year do you need any other excuse?

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YNWAREET,

i think you are so wrong, every fan of what ever club they support has a right to their opinion and their opinions should not be blocked or say it is wrong, everyone is entitled to have their say, who to say your post is wrong in judging what people are going to put as wrong thing to say, i shudder that the eds listen to you and stop people having their say, if a fan thinks a player has done something wrong who is to say the fan is wrong, YOUR the one who says it all the time, i'm sorry but our players do get things wrong and make mistakes, they get payed a lot of money and we fans pay a lot of money to watch them so we have the right to pick up on the mistakes the players make, you act like your opinion is the only one that counts, thank god it does not

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29 Sep 2014 09:03:05
who is this administrator ED?
Give us all a description and your qualification of being an administrator and so called judge and jury on our posts.

Why is it if you like something its posted and if it is controversial its not?

What gives you the right to determine after all its views from different people from varied walks of life.
Be reasonable !

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are bleating about. To be honest, looking at your previous posts they seem to be evenly divided between complaints about the management and players at the club and some strange paranoid rambles regarding a conspiracy about your posts being held back. I am not sure which club you support - it sure as hell is not Liverpool as there is zero positive you have to say.}

29 Sep 2014 09:24:19
Seems He is younger then Reet. that's close as 10 year old.
Eds. The only positive about the post is its reaching people beyond their age. lols.

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29 Sep 2014 09:48:26
One should come and see some of his posts which comes over to me and ben. Hillarioous is thw word

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Qualifications of being an Editor? Which planet are you from?

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29 Sep 2014 10:59:30
I am surprised how this guy hasn't been banned yet after all the nonsense he posts

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Oh ............. bollocks deleted.....

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{Ed002's Note - You are deluded and paranoid. Quite frankly you need to get some help.}

29 Sep 2014 08:51:51
its a funny old world, a lot of people thought liverpool where doing good business by paying 40 odd million to southampton for 3 players.now it seems the saints where in fact getting rid of their "deadwood" normal service has been resumed "lfc paying over the odds"

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The word the coward. It's fascinating how you chose the precise moment Spurs go above LFC in table before posting here. We are fortunate, because it rarely lasts for more than a weekend.

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Lamela!

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29 Sep 2014 07:35:07
Ed002 i just saw you refer to sakho being brendaned on aug 25th can you say the reason please.

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answers - and this was done to death at the time. Sadly most of the posters were unwilling to understand what was happening with Lovren and the way it would go. They were still in the garden talking with the butterflies.}

Brendan has replaced Sakho less than a year after he signed him with in my opinion, an inferior player in Lovren. As a partnership they looked good potentially. Rodgers complete lack of defensive awareness is merely compounded by his love of Johnson, Skrtel and Gerrard (in a deep role). He needs to understand that not every player has to pose a threat to the oppositions goal! Johnsons crossing, Skrtels headers and Gerrards dead balls count for nothing if we concede 2 goals a game.

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{Ed002's Note - Another gripe might be that Lovren was available for £8M or so last summer. So it seems like another £30M overspend. This is the whole "balance" issue that seems to underpin the concerns I have about spending. These are significant amounts of money being spent and to me it goes beyond squad depth. We'll see.}

29 Sep 2014 09:22:49
Ed002. Taking this as context I would like to hear from you on this.
Whats the major difference between a Transfer committee and a DOF?
I am sorry and ignore it, If you have replied it earlier.

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{Ed002's Note - It is like the difference between a horse and a banana.}

29 Sep 2014 10:00:08
Ed002. Yes. I do agree, Lovern was BR's choice and the committee bought Sakho instead last year.
Joke. absolute Joke.
I just had a read of Tony Barrett comments and views on the whole Sakho situation.

This might be a stupid question, But the People inside the committee, Have they ever been to a football pitch?. because you cannot buy a player if you have no knowledge about the game.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has some very talented people in that role.}

Not surprised at all.

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What is ridiculous is how you try your best to sell sakho to be some world class defender who has been instrumental to us keeping us clean sheets.Skrtel has earned the right to be the first name on the team sheet not sakho who is proving to be a waste of money

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28 Sep 2014 23:55:57
eds reds I've just watched the re run of the derby on lfctv. i think we looked better again was impressed by most of the team, two things, when the ball came to our right, first half, where was markovic? to deep for me, we seemned to have the centre and left covered and pressing, but the right unbalanced. second we still seemned reluctant at times to try to attack and move the ball side or back. the players did look, at times, they didn't know where to be, but mostly looking better. we need to sort out the problems very quickley.

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