Liverpool Banter Archive September 29 2015

29 Sep 2015 23:08:50
Didn't realise it is 34 years ago today that Shanks passed away.
R.I.P

29 Sep 2015 20:35:37
nice pic of coutinho outside melwood where he bumped into a girl fan with her nan ( I think?) posed for pics and gave her his boots? All the doom and gloom created by BR just faded out my mind reminded me what it used to feel like to be a Liverpool supporter.

29 Sep 2015 21:05:00
Hes a toplad on and off the pitch young phil!

29 Sep 2015 14:03:50
I'm sick of hearing about a fully fit Sturridge. BR saying losing Sturridge cost us fourth place. Yes, if Daniel was fit we probably would have a damn site more points than presently. I fail to see this as a good thing as Brendan seems to and isn't a valid point at all in my opinion. The fact is that the club has spent nearly £300m and if we are still reliant on one person being fit then this is no sob story for BR but a glaring lack of ability to manage. Just my humble opinion of course.

29 Sep 2015 16:00:59
Quite agree poolie, and going by Brenden's logic if we would have had a fit Sturridge and a decent manager we would have won the league

29 Sep 2015 18:27:42
So Studge is now the new scapegoat after Suarez, TC, Sterling, Balo, the playing staff, Marsh and Pascoe. Whos next?

29 Sep 2015 19:01:45
Is anyone else getting bored of talking about br?? It's the same posts over and over. zzzzzz

{Ed002's Note - And a lot more get deleted.}

29 Sep 2015 19:42:37
People are more likely to post about what they feel strongly about it. There is a lot of frustration about BR, some for the right reasons and some because it's a trend!!
I'd much prefer to see it on a banter site rather than at the match. This booing at a game is something I've never done and struggle to understand. Don't go if you don't support is my ethos.
The BR situation is quite unique though and its slightly hypocritical to have a dig at his snipers by sniping himself. He really should have risen above it and spoke a about the game. But how many times have we said that?!

29 Sep 2015 19:48:26
You must be a pretty god awful manager if you actually believe its acceptable to spend over £300 million and pin your hopes in a player you know won't be fit half the time. To pin your hopes on one player at all is bloody tragic anyway.

29 Sep 2015 11:47:11
eds. can you please tell us how the work permit is not ok for brazil players when barca can sign them . thx

{Ed002's Note - The rules vary by country but in England the situation with work permits is that a player will be granted one if (a) he has played 75% of games at full international level for two years for a country ranked reasonably high up by FIFA (top 75), (b) if he is deemed to be a major talent as reflected in his price, or (c) if an exemption is applied for and granted under the "exceptional talent" provisions. For example, if a case is made to the authorities that a young South American is a demonstrable talent and clearly one for the future, it should be reasonably easy to have an exemption granted. If however, a pretty much run of the mill or average player was being bought and it was clear they are not appreciably better than those which could be found locally, or are being bought because they are cheap, then it will be much more difficult to obtain a work permit. The downside of the system in the UK is that the "bigger" English clubs can cherry pick the decent talent available and can obtain exemptions, and the rest of the players are assumed not to be talented enough for an exemption (as Chelsea or Manchester United etc. don't want them) and therefore obtaining the exemption is much tougher. Some players can obtain work permits through their parents or grand parents being English.}

29 Sep 2015 20:56:40
Isn't there something about the fact that a lot of Brazilian players can also get Portuguese passports and Portugal is an EU member?

29 Sep 2015 10:59:54
dont usually post on the footy site but i had to when i read about the young goaly who was on loan and payed a fine in pennies .

in my opinion the kids contract should be terminated on the spot ,stuff like this pisses me off ,and yes i would be saying the same if he was a world class player , enough is enough , the petulance of the modern day footballer who takes everything for granted gets on my last nerve and reading people condoning it winds me up .

rant over franky.

{Ed001's Note - why? The likes of Dalglish and Souness did lots of pranks similar to that, which is all it was. He still paid the fine. As I said on another thread, the issue is what led to the fine, not how he paid it.}

29 Sep 2015 11:08:38
Why terminate on the spot. educate and show the kid the right way. Spot on Ed001

29 Sep 2015 11:14:40
Why??? Are you serious ed? Because it's yet another condescending example of how some footballers perceive themselves, that's why. If he did wrong he should take the consequence with humility. And move on.
If you're mate owed you £50 and paid you back in pennies what would you say?
Oh, and by the way, the pranks of Souness etc were in all likelihood; pranks - in the true sense of the word. This wasn't a prank. It stinks of condescension.
I'm with Franky. Sack him. Good post, lad.

{Ed002's Note - Legally there is an issue paying more than a certain amount in pennies. I think anything over 20p or 50p in pennies can be refused. I don't recall the exact amount.}

29 Sep 2015 11:15:01
Yeah I can't see why there's such an over reaction by media and fans. The importance of turning up to training needs to be emphasised. But I wouldn't overreact to his payment of the fine.

29 Sep 2015 11:22:06
The issue obviously comes from the relationship he has with the club. The club could have taken his £50 of pennies as a tongue in cheek prank but it looks as if relations were strained and this was the final straw. Just my opinion.

29 Sep 2015 11:29:13
ed002 it's the royal mints legal tender guidelines maximum 20p in pennies and 2ps. As you say the club can refuse to accept it and ask for it in other denominations.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

29 Sep 2015 11:29:55
different era's different times were the players mentioned knew it would never make the headlines for one , a snotty nosed kid who should be making more effort to get in on time but can take the time to sit around a few hours to put pennies in a bag ?

29 Sep 2015 11:33:32
If your boss reads this and then decides to pay you your months wages in pennies Ron, you're happy enough are ye?

29 Sep 2015 11:41:33
This truly is the greatest football site on planet earth. I think I would die without the knowledge and insightful opinions of ed0. You're a star mate. An absolute giant among men. Go, big lad!

29 Sep 2015 11:49:18
I'm self employed mate

29 Sep 2015 12:08:21
lol. come on mate don't be such a conservative! It just sounds like a light hearted gesture, no harm done

29 Sep 2015 11:42:56
One difference though ed001, Dalglish and Souness had earned the right to take the jazz.
A loanee kid hasn't.
They should have just made him clean the changing rooms for a month or something though, brought him down a peg, instead of terminating his loan imo.

{Ed001's Note - I am talking about as kids, you think they were good kids who never broke the rules? They are human beings, not robots, kids break rules to learn how far to push the boundaries, it is part of growing up. They need to have personalities and make mistakes, that is part of life.}

29 Sep 2015 12:14:40
I thought it was funny myself. attitude problems aside, this made me giggle simple as that. It has noting to do with footballers its about bein uptight and jumping on the moral high ground bandwagon, i gets seriously boring sometimes! . (my opinion)

29 Sep 2015 12:44:54
Yes I know what you mean ed.
In one respect, being on loan is more than just about getting playing time though isn't it ?
I suppose it depends on the manager / regime at Swindon, and acting accordingly.
I read about Harry Catterick at Everton, who was an absolute stickler for rules, very strict.
Time and place and all that.

29 Sep 2015 13:22:12
One thing that really, really irks me is Nile Ranger. I know not related to LFC, but that kid is a joke. How many kids would give their right arm to play professional football, yet he takes the piss and gets chance after chance. Like Ed said, the kid paid his fine in the end, it's players like Ranger that should be thrown in the rubbish

29 Sep 2015 13:52:11
Much ado about nothing if you ask me, but this will remain a black mark on Vigouroux's career surely?

29 Sep 2015 16:57:30
Haha i can't believe you people, sack him for what, having a mind of his own and expressing his view whilst may i add still adhering to the rules and paying the fine.

I don't know what went on but i have been to work late plenty of times for genuine reasons and i would be pretty peeved if my boss said i need to give him 50 quid especially as i make that time back up.

There are two sides to this story i'm sure and no doubt he will take a slap on the wrist and learn from it but nothing more i'm afraid. Complete overreaction from some.

29 Sep 2015 16:59:04
I'm more interested in how did he get £50 in pennies, if he was just making a point it sort of says something that he managed to get it.

29 Sep 2015 17:36:00
Stuie-boy, you mention Nile Ranger. If this kid is allowed to get away with stunts like this he could well end up like him

29 Sep 2015 18:31:35
Storm in a tea-cup, really.

29 Sep 2015 18:47:43
Well I don't always agree with the Eds, but Ed001 is spot on here. The young man is pushing the boundaries and needs to see he has pushed them too far, which a more imagninative and creative punishment would have done. Not a sacking offense.
Honestly, fans complain about a lack of passion and creativity. Passion comes from character, character is developed through overcoming adversity, creativity from independent thought and comes with a willingness to bend the rules.
I wonder how the posters calling for the lad to be sacked go about raising their kids?

29 Sep 2015 19:34:51
andy are u taking the piss ?
what has passion got to do with not getting to work on time ?
what has creativity got to do with sticking a load of pennies in a money bag?
hes there to do a job and learn his trade .
by the way all three of my daughters are raised well thanks

29 Sep 2015 22:19:11
Really do hate it when these stupid issues come up.

Like Ed001 said, they are humans, not robots. You all talk as if you have never done anything like that in your life.

Reality is, we're all a bunch of people who
watch these men kick a ball around on tv and think we have the right to judge them on every single aspect of their lives.

The funny thing is is that he actually paid the fine as well. And even then people take issue with it.

Get a grip people, you're all far from perfect yourselves.

29 Sep 2015 06:43:40
Now apparently wed have got top four and won a trophy last year if Danny had been fit, ok then mr Desperate, of course we would, and QPR would have won the league had they scored more goals, absolute joke,
Clinging on to hypothetical scenarios is nonsense and that's all aside from the fact Dannys made of glass
Please!! Someone remove the mouth!

29 Sep 2015 07:59:45
I happen to agree with that notion. Had we had studge fit to score 15-20 goals we probably would have nicked 4th. torres was made of glass but was always able to bang the goals. It's only last season that studge was unavailable for a long period of time. He has the best goals to game ratio of ANY previous lpool striker

{Ed001's Note - so our entire club's ability to pick up points is based on the form and fitness of one injury prone striker despite spending 300m? Seems it is, which just shows what kind of moron we have managing the club.}

29 Sep 2015 08:17:41
Our previous teams have relied heavily on individuals ala Gerard and Torres ed. I'm in no way defending BR but believe studge would have been the difference. I take it you disagree?

{Ed001's Note - did I say I disagree? What I said was it is moronic management to not build a team with 300 million spent. We relied on individuals like Gerrard? Our results were, the last time I saw the stats, slightly better without him playing over the course of his career, so not that sure we did rely that heavily on him. Though it is not that relevant as it just points out that our management has been a problem for a while. We used to just sign one or two class players a year, no more, as buying more quantity means less quality can be afforded. Now we are taking a punt on 7 or 8 in the hope one will turn out to be quality. The club is a shambles. By the way, I do disagree Sturridge would have made that much of a difference, the only one man who could change it from midtable mediocrity to challenging would be changing the manager.}

29 Sep 2015 08:23:34
I am sure BR would have too much about him to ever call Ed1 a Moron. Makes you wonder who has the class here. Could never understand how name calling made the point

{Ed001's Note - too much about him? You mean like shagging his secretary when he is meant to be working? Or too much about him like blaming the players and coaching staff for his own failings? Those kind of class things? I call him a moron because he is managing like one. I could never understand why someone is dumb enough to defend someone destroying the club they pretend to love, but clearly you are not a red but a brendanite, as you back him over the club. As for moron, if anyone was to call me a moron, it would only prove how moronic they are, but you would need to understand the definition of the word for that to make sense to you.}

29 Sep 2015 08:29:42
I get what your saying ed. Can you do your best to get the Manager changed lol as I don't see it happening any time soon i'm affraid. Do you?

{Ed001's Note - I wish they would listen to me.}

29 Sep 2015 08:49:16
Wow, jesus ed your on it today mate. I'll do my best not to ask you too many questions.

{Ed001's Note - hahaha I am in a good mood actually, though I won't be about much today to answer as I back in the UK for a few days and will be a bit busy. From lunchtime until afternoon in the hozzie visiting my best mate and the rest of the time with my daughter, so I doubt I will get on much more than the odd check in on my phone.}

29 Sep 2015 09:01:14
Ok no problemo, enjoy your day mate with your daughter and will look forward to some juicy lfc info laters.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate, it is nice seeing her and my mate, even if the circumstances are not ideal.}

29 Sep 2015 10:12:06
He is a moron!
talking about coming 2nd like it places him in the echelons of greatness?
playing the majority of his players out of position?

blowing 300 million to now saying he needs quality to work with?
after nearly 4 years still having no remarkable back four?
NOT replacing Suarez, Gerrard, even Reina and Sterling with quality?
playing virtually a second string against Real madrid?
Asking Gerrard to try and get us Toni kroos due to him having no pull with the quality players he craves?

finding a system that works to then constantly going back to his so called philosophy and his plan B of a back 3 that everybody in the world has worked out already?
sending out countless players on loan after spending millions on them without even giving them half a chance of showing us their worth?

forever quoting that we are outstanding and having character yet we constantly look like we've met in the pub before a sunday league game?
his firing of his bench staff instead of resigning after the Stoke 6-1 debacle?
I could go on all day here how many do you need?

Please any Brendan followers, I cannot for the life of me understand what you see and why you're so desperate for it to work, this club is massive, not a learning tool for wannabe spanish league managers, we don't need a man whose swallowed an FA handbook and the famous persons book on media spin, we need a proven top class manager with a record of winning things, stop deluding yourselves as this man would sell his granny if it meant keeping in the limelight, wake up.

29 Sep 2015 11:19:43
I'm desperate for it to work because I'm desperate for it to work for any manager.
Changing manager does not immediately eliminate all our problems. If Rodgers can turn it around then surely that's better than sacking him off and starting again.

29 Sep 2015 11:39:16
Rodgers as a manager has not been good for our club:

. He does not learn from his mistakes, nor does he show any signs of being able to tactically analyse our weaknesses or our oppositions (his insistence on playing Skrtel)

. He has extremely poor man management skills, he makes promises about playing time that he then does not keep (Wisdom, Sakho, Illori)

. I have never seen a manager of any top club handle the press so badly on a regular basis, he makes constant crindgeworthy comments, he claims credit for any positives and 'passes the buck' on any negatives its never his fault!, the reason the press love him is that he is always good for a headline.

. He is completely inept in the transfer market, constantly buying expensive players for positions we don't need and already have a surplus of players in and equally failing to address problem areas

. The team has no identity or defined playing style, after a successful season playing a high press/high intensity style he went back to a slow possession for possessions sake style which had already on numerous occasions failed to deliver for us.

. He shows absolutely no interest in playing any of our talented youngsters, and doesn't even bother to turn up and watch them play which i believe is a sackable offense on its own.

We must not have blind faith and just support the manager whatever the scenario, when the team is playing you must always get behind them, but FSG must accept there mistake and move Rodgers on before he does anymore damage to our club

29 Sep 2015 12:10:22
Meeow,

I want it to work with Rodgers because if it does it means Liverpool are doing well and that is all I'll ever want, therefore as long as he's manager I'll hope that he can take the team forward.

Changing the manager may improve things for Liverpool but there is absolutely no guarantee that this will be the case, as the expression goes, be careful what you wish for. Even if I wanted a change to happen (and I'm not there yet) I will still hope that Rodgers does well whilst he is manager.

As for your constant moaning about what he says to the press he is doing nothing different to what every manager does, they all give meaningless recycled soundbites to feed the media machine. You would be a happier person if you stopped over-analysing everything you read.

I am not prone to jumping to conclusions. I have said over and over that I see this season as his defining one, just as I don't see 13/14 as proof of his genius, I don't see 14/15 as proof of his ineptitude either. Once there is enough evidence to judge this season as a success, failure or simply average I will make a decision about whether I think Rodgers should stay or go. Until that moment, I'll keep hoping for the best.

29 Sep 2015 12:39:22
Thats fair enough Muscat, I know we all want the best for the club, particularly on the pitch, But personally I don't see it happening under him, he'll have his moments like last season but ultimately his proof is in his pudding, I've no problem with other fans thinking it might work out and wanting us to be successful but for me personally and I havnt over analysed it or jumped to any conclusions, i want him out, I've watched us for nearly 40 years and my old grandad used to tell me when watching the racing, your eyes are the best line of form, well my eyes see square pegs etc and see a man fluffing through one game to the next,
Ive seen a lot of changes at this club and right now i'm as unhappy as I've ever been, there is just no positivity and no lights being turned on down any tunnels to offer hope,
To be fair i'd much rather a manager stick to his system and try to prove us wrong instead of signing players willy nilly and then trying to dither upon something thatll work,
Im hoping for the best too man, i'm just not as confident as you sound, take care man YNWA

29 Sep 2015 13:48:40
The "meaningless soundbites" have made Rodgers seem a disingenuous person and his constant trap clapping is part of the reason why most of the fan base, including almost everyone here, has turned against him.

He just doesn't seem trustworthy on many levels, and he can thank himself for that. So please, stop saying that whatever he says has no impact because part of the reason we have a acrimonious situation with the fans is thanks to the Brodge.

29 Sep 2015 14:22:05
My point, AG, is that every manager says almost the exact same thing in media interviews, the only difference is how we interpret those words.

You don't like him so everything he says sounds like nails on a chalkboard. If he had met our aspirations he'd sound like the second coming of Shankly. Context is everything.

Meeow,

that was a very gracious response and I now feel a bit of a tool for the tone of my third paragraph. Whilst I maintain the point I apologise for the how I said it.

29 Sep 2015 15:28:51
No worries Muscat, no matter who has a problem with who on this site the one thing I know for sure is that EVERYBODY just wants the best for the club which means winning games and being successful, IF people on here disagree with each other its to be expected, it is a forum after all and one that courts opinion,
i think for me the majority of distaste I have for Rodgers stems from his big mouth and reluctance to see his own errors, Humbleness is a good quality to have and to get a reputation in anything it requires hard work and acceptance when your wrong, i actually think if he held his hands up with some honesty and admitted mistakes in the transfer market and tactically then he'd get a little more respect,
I was talking to an old chap who played for Reading years and years ago when i was singing at a gig down south the other week, he remembers Rodgers in a normal job back in the day, he says he was the same back then, too stubborn, Ah well we all have our traits lol!

29 Sep 2015 16:30:09
muscat, and my point is that I don't like him because of what he says. You can go back and dig up my posts from 3 years ago and you will see me defending Rodgers like you are now.

Over time, while the results and the style of play have been the biggest issue, this has been compounded by his seemingly untrustworthy nature at all time. I don't like him because Rodgers opens his mouth to deflect blame, make laughable accusations, and keep on using deluded excuses. The paradoxical I don't like Rodgers because of Rodgers.

28 Sep 2015 22:54:59
Hey ed or benny just looking for an update on when youll have the next podcast?really enjoy them and the insights. I realise this has been quite a week in terms of news and therefore probably not too much free time.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, I got back to the UK yesterday, for a few days visiting friends and family, we are hoping to meet up and record one then.}

29 Sep 2015 12:01:40
Great. Looking forward to it.Cheers for the reply mate.