Liverpool Banter Archive September 29 2016

29 Sep 2016 23:02:33
A big thank you to Derry city and Strabane district council for passing a motion for there local newsagents to stop selling the sun. Well done and I hope any posters who live in this district push this to as many people as possible 👍👍.

30 Sep 2016 02:21:02
Fantastic.

30 Sep 2016 13:28:44
It's Londonderry mate 😎😁🍺.

29 Sep 2016 21:12:07
Ticket prices aside, I see a point in Mr Henry saying that there are doubts in further expanding Anfield. What is the point in expanding Anfield further when there will be endless hassle when trying filling seats?
FSG just used a massive amount of their own cash to increase the capacity at Anfield with the new Main stand. I am not as lucky to attend Anfield as others do as I live on the other side of the world.

Going to watch a local Rugby match here in South Africa is just as ridiculously expensive. For that reason I watch matches on TV in the comfort of my home and I can get drunk five times over at home in one day compared to the prices at the stadium. I can go buy a whole weeks groceries compared to what it costs buying myself, the kids and wife food on a day out at the stadium.

Everybody has a choice to go or not. If I do not go to the stadium my seat will be taken by somebody else. That is just the sad truth irrespective of being ripped off or not.

29 Sep 2016 22:07:07
So that makes it OK then max? If I don't pay there's always someone who will! No there's a moral issue here, and yourself and others are missing it. I'm sick of corporate greed where the rich exploit the poor, that's why we fight and as a scouser we seem to fight longer and harder than most. If he wants to start up again we are more than ready.

{Ed002's Note - None of this should be a shock - I have told you this for the last five years.}

29 Sep 2016 22:31:43
Waro, I am not saying what is happening is right. At the end of the day, I have a choice to go or not. I will not go as it is to expensive. If i do not go because i am not willing to pay thee price then i most certainly am not going to moan about it when I can watch matches on TV at far less. The one thing I am thankful for is that I get to watch each and every League match LFC play in a season. There may be times where some League Cup or Fa Cup matches are not shown due to TV rights. I even get to watch CL matches :-)

It is the same with every day life. Going to the supermarket day by day sees you leaving with less in your carrier bags.

Unfortunately I need to put food on the table, pay my bond with increasing interest rates. Fill my car with fuel which is goes up due to world leaders deciding what I will pay.

If I do not fill my car, I will be stuck on the highway.

I am not trying to sugar coat things, that is just the way everyday life is going.

29 Sep 2016 23:08:20
Whether you go or not max is irrelevant, you should think of the people who go and are putting themselves in debt to support there team, your so detached from it that you can't see that, it isn't feasible to come from south Africa every weekend but if you live locally or in this country then it is feasible to get to games, you should think about those people before you post trivialising the extortionate prices football clubs charge.

30 Sep 2016 00:21:19
i have a lot of respect for people who stand up for what they believe in Waro and a load of respect for those that spend thousands on tickets, see its not about bringing down the club or the owners its about having a voice for supporters.

30 Sep 2016 01:08:45
i have a lot of sympathy for fans who scrimp and save to watch their team play but sadly club football is a bigger beast than it was in the 80s. Family clubs run by benevolent owners who are unified in the pursuit off on-field success have been replaced by profit-driven global entities to whom the supporters mean little more than a number on a ledger. FSG couldn't give a monkeys about loyal supporters being shafted on ticket prices when they can still fill the stadium with people paying 30% more per seat.
It isn't morally correct any way you look at it but the owners are in the business of making money. So will the next owners be. And the next. And the next. Just like the previous owners were.
I admire your stance on it, Waro, and you might get the occasional small win, but ultimately you're fighting from a moral standpoint that is irrelevant to billionaire owners pushing a global brand that increasingly has very little to do with the city it is named after. The saddest part of it is that the loyal and the local and the low-paid are the first to get thrown to the kerb.

30 Sep 2016 01:40:55
Why would anyone put themselves into dept to go the match?
I understand your pissed off Waro about getting ripped off but your willingly being ripped off remember.
Different owners wouldn't make tickets any cheaper.

30 Sep 2016 02:31:03
Like anywhere like it or not, if somewhere is done out even a bar, they're going to increase the prices, same goes for the stadium. Tickets are still barmy and they can have it for me, I'd rather stream it then pay them prices.

I don't like it, but this is the way it is now, there's no way I can afford to go watch a game at anfield. Travel, tickets, food and drink for 1 day? I could get 7 days in Spain cheaper.

This is the world we live in but it's not on.

30 Sep 2016 07:37:25
Isn't this though a reflection of corporate greed and shareholders demands across society. Family day out to legoland, two tickets to the theatre or even cinema, ticket to see Justin Bieber (thrown that in for the banter) . Prices for tickets everywhere are crazy. It's not just football prices.

Nobody is asking for football club owners to lose money. My personal view is that it's the players / agents who need to reflect on this more than the owners. If there were a salary cap that prevented such a high percentage of income going to them then the whole economics of ticket pricing could change.

I cannot see this happening or how you make it fair for all clubs but too much money goes out of the game to both third parties and also footballers.

30 Sep 2016 07:44:35
Unfortunately expensive ticket prices are part and parcel of today's football here in the England, you just need to look at the price of a Bundasliga ticket to see how extortionate our prices are.

I'm going to give it a slightly different perespective.

I've read Ed002''s comments in that this has been coming for the last five years, I fear it's been longer than that. I've been watching and buying tickets for LFC since the 80's and in my opinion it was the introduction of Sky and the Premier League that are to blame. In turn leading to ridiculous transfer fees and players wages, these have to paid by the clubs by some means. Look forward 26 years and we have the BT deal making the introduction of Sky back in 92 look like pennies. You could also argue that the late Jimmy Hill Is partly to blame for taking away the salary cap in 1961.

The influx of tv money started the whole cooperate bullshit rolling. How do you think United built their stadium? They had a chairman in Martin Edwards who back in the early 90's new what was coming with the Premier League and what was needed to take United forward. They floated in 91and acquired the much needed funds to build their
Stadium and ensure Fergie had the funds in order to know us off our "perch", let's face it, lhe couldn't do it the 6 years prior to the introduction to the PL. Another debate.
I agree we shouldn't hike up our prices but it's been happening for years.

What's really annoyed me the most recently was seeing loads and loads of empty cooperate seats in the new stand last weekend, when we have a season ticket waiting list of over 20,000! I fear that if it's not a big game these seats won't get filled.

Shocking.

30 Sep 2016 08:36:41
It's about rich people making money off the poor.
Plain and simple. Immoral is the word.

{Ed001's Note - agreed. Except it is more money off the poor. They don't even need to charge for tickets any more due to TV money, but greed always wins.}

30 Sep 2016 09:11:40
People will find things to moan about, once the ticket prices are out of the way then next it will be the TV money is so huge, why can't LFC put in better seats for the ticket paying fans. you feel it is too expensive then don't go. When fans don't pitch then the club has to make a decision but complaining and making it seem that there is an agenda by the club to rip of poor fans is just far fetched.

{Ed001's Note - fans are paying already with TV subscriptions. I can't believe the idiots who aren't complaining about the ridiculous and unnecessarily high ticket prices. Some of us just can't afford to go and then have to listen to some selfish prick telling us not to go if it is too expensive while forgetting it is our team and we should never be priced out of it. Without us fans there is no club. There is no need to charge high ticket prices, except for the same grasping greed that fat scam has been sacked for. TV money is so high that ticket prices are no longer important - just ask the Bundesliga teams. But then they are run like football clubs rather than to scam money out of us loyal fans.}

30 Sep 2016 09:24:22
Really it's a poison chalice. Most fans want their club to sign the best players, but want to deny the club the opportunity to raise the money that, that involves. You only have to look at the ticket prices for the top teams in the EPL, and you will see that they have increased to pay for the top players they have bought. I don't think it is right, but the alternative is not to compete with trying to sign the best players.

{Ed001's Note - that is not true. The ticket money is too small an amount to have any real effect. People just have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to football finances. Ticket money is a tiny proportion of a top club's income.}

30 Sep 2016 09:27:30
Annie, Ron and ed001, excellent replys. This generation appear to just accept what's put in front of them shrug there shoulders and say " well what can you do, that's the going rate"! Very very sad.

30 Sep 2016 10:02:16
Ed1 your reply to dbnlfc can't be anymore perfect mate.

Ron - I can't agree more with you.

My 9 year old boy has never been to Anfield. what i'd do to be able to take him there yet I can't. I have been a few times and would love to go again with my boy but not at them prices.

He watches the games with me every week and is gobsmacked when we're playing home games, his birthday this month it'd of been a great present but again, not at them prices. it's rediculous, I'm not skint but I'm not rich either. I choose not to afford it because they choose to try and rob us. it's wrong.

Be all and end all - I guess loyal fans don't matter anymore? Sore subject for me because i'd do anthing to go back there, greed has ruined it.

{Ed001's Note - if the TV money wasn't so obscenely high, they could justify the need for high ticket prices, as they would need the money to cover costs. Right now there is no need and this is simply FSG's way of paving the way for a sale of the club to a new owner, imo.}

30 Sep 2016 10:08:54
If my memory serves me correctly, in 1990, one of the cheapest tickets at Anfield was around £4.00. The increase in ticket prices has not happened over night!

The creation of the English Premier League in the 1989-1990 season has seen the game turn into a multi-million pound industry and, in turn, ticket prices have shot skywards. FSG are not responsible for this, our ticket prices have been rising and rising, long before they took over.

What is really pissing everyone off, is the fact they are using the argument of "can't complete the second re build phase if we can't increase ticket prices "!

As Ed001 said, ticket revenue is not the biggest source of income for the club's and the fact that we can't " sell out " our hospitality tells you a lot.

The pure greed in the game is ruining football and has been for years.

{Ed001's Note - well said.}

30 Sep 2016 10:39:54
That's what I mean ed1 mate, there's simply no need for it. Greed is the keyword to it all. Because that's all it is, typical of the rich though isn't it. And then you get absolute idiots trying to defend the ticket prices, goes to show how much they know! And it really gets on my nerves.

We need a big club to turn around and say actually we'd be fine if we half the ticket prices. Other clubs surely would have to follow suit I know this won't happen mind but you know. Would be nice to get to anfield at an affordable price sometime. Impossible! Greed has ruined it.

Good post BTW nickyD.

{Ed001's Note - Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund are big clubs.}

30 Sep 2016 11:45:58
Liverpoolfc16, don't you understand, don't go if you don't like it! The wise old sages on here have bluntly told you what to do, so follow the lemmings guide to football support and stop moaning.

30 Sep 2016 11:55:13
I also notice the people who are telling us if we can't afford it then don't go, are the ones who don't go themselves, so they can sit in there easyboy recliner open another 🍻 and say " stop moaning F$G are fantastic, there just trying to make a few quid". This is why I hate the Internet because it gives voices to the spinless masses who are to scared or to lazy to make a stand and confront corporate greed. what's next, people starving and living in door ways should get off there arse and get a job and a flat, people who work but have to use foodbanks should just get a better paid job, no if it doesn't affect you then just simplify it, pull the ladders up jack I'm alright, hang your heads in shame.

30 Sep 2016 12:24:55
Waro, as much as i agree with you 100 %, and i think its terrible they would fleece the people who are the backbone of the club. Unfortunately i don't get to go to games and only watch in my armchair, i still have my grandad's Liverpool blood flowing through me.

I would pay just because i don't get to games all the time and it would be a once in a life time experience for me! but i do see what you mean if i lived their and breathed my team every match day which i would if i could and this price would be a problem for me every match day, unfortunately i only get to do it across the ocean! what i'm trying to say is don't have a go at us guys who support the club from our living rooms in other countries. again i agree with your sentiment.

30 Sep 2016 13:35:36
While I HAVE commented in the past that, although I disagree with escalating ticket prices, there will always be people willing to pay it, I DO have to say that this "stadium development is at risk if we don't raise prices" really leaves a bad taste in the mouth. We're not talking small sums of money here, and it shouldn't be left to the owners to fund expansion out of their own pockets, but more careful financial management on FSG's part could avoid raising prices at all, and it now seems like an easy option for them to just punt the costs on to the fan.

I have never had an issue with FSG's running of the club, but this is a definite error in judgement, and I expect them to backtrack on this one fairly quickly. or just cancel further development and sell up, I suppose it depends on their business strategy.

29 Sep 2016 22:53:07
It's not a shock ed002, I just can't let posts go by that just trivialise this subject with comments like " if I don't go someone will" or " if you don't like the price then don't go", it's about the root which is morally wrong, yet the world we now live in just accepts it as the norm " yep you get ripped off everywhere, what ye going to do"! Argue fight it don't take it, that's what you do, No wait Towie has just started then its celebrity sword swallowers on ice, I can't be arsed I just won't go, pass the doritos and a can of fosters. Generation of spineless shallow lemmings.

30 Sep 2016 14:27:34
Waro your full of it mate and I won't rise to it. that is all. You obviously have no idea. What a fan you are.

30 Sep 2016 14:35:39
Clamped me there ed1 I meant premier league big clubs lol.

30 Sep 2016 15:16:44
Waro, what a pity you messed up one of the first intelligent, constructive posts I've seen from you by throwing abuse at anyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint. You would get a lot more support and sympathy if you kept a lid on your caveman.

30 Sep 2016 15:29:19
Waro is my guilty pleasure. Even though he can be a tad dogmatic that his view point is correct I do admire his consistency and passion.

30 Sep 2016 16:22:42
Liverpoolfc16, don't think you got the sarcasm in my post, I totally agreed with what you said, me telling you to "not go if you don't like it" etc was me having a go at the people telling you and others to do just that. I must be careful what I post from now on as it seems some people don't understand basic sarcasm.

Annie that's merely your opinion that I messed up, and one of my many failings is I don't listen to other people's opinion and I definitely don't look for sympathy so your whole post is pointless to me, what I post is sincere and my honest view, if people agree that's great if they don't I genuinely don't care, in fact I prefer if they don't agree to be honest because it merely confirms to me that I'm correct.

G1dgo, cheers fella. 👍.

30 Sep 2016 16:55:49
So those that want to whine about the ticket prices being morally wrong, then would you say it is morally correct for the club to pay a player £100 000 a week when that is more money than they ever will know what to do with? This isn't the 1960's, football has evolved from a way of life to a business. Some of you need a reality check.

A business will always look to maximise profits, even if there was a major cash injection from TV deals like with the PL.

If how the club chooses to make its money hurts your morals then it's time you realised this isn't the 1960's.

{Ed025's Note - im not having that dbn, in these days of austerity and zero hours contracts..how about giving the average joe a break?, you probably sent flowers to maggie,s funeral..

30 Sep 2016 17:58:48
Do you go to your local shopping market and expect them to give your freebies? You see the price on the shelf, if you don't agree with the price you make a decision either to shop there at a higher price or don't go back to that shop. Simple. You don't stand there and complain that 20 years ago bread was a 10th of the price it is now! Ever heard of inflation? Football used to be a necessity, so the price of the ticket catered for it back then, now it is a luxury, so the price caters for that as well.

{Ed001's Note - you really are talking crap. What a complete lack of any understanding you have displayed in your posts. This post is just nonsensical. If you believe any of this crap, then you are in need of serious help.}

30 Sep 2016 19:48:12
Appolagies Waro.

29 Sep 2016 10:36:05
H eds, first time poster here.

Was just wondering what your opinions are on news about JF Hasselbank and Cellino? obviously doesn't look good on their parts being implicated but seems to me that the Telegraph have made some false accusations about them

By the way I'm not defending Cellino everyone knows he is proper dodgy but doesn't seem to do much wrong here other than bad mouth English football.

{Ed001's Note - hmmm not sure why you say false accusations? This is a known problem in football and it is about time someone investigated. Last time when Panorama did so the findings were swept under the carpet: the FA and FIFA failed to investigate these 17 suspicious transfers

29 Sep 2016 11:13:31
Thanks for the reply ed. Just on the tele they are saying Cellino was offering to sell part of Leeds instead of taking part in third party ownership and Hasselbank was only just negotiating to do a speech, but that's why I asked because thought I must have been missing something because they wouldn't mention names without anything concrete. I had a look at the 2006 scandal and the FA deserve all the trouble they are getting after giving Big Sam the job with all his and his sons dodgy dealings there for all to see.

{Ed001's Note - there is a lot more than has been made public. The Torygraph are not going to go public with these kind of allegations unless they have evidence. There is too much at stake, as they could easily be sued. They only started the investigation after being given reason to do so.}

29 Sep 2016 11:19:49
Hi Eds,

Whats your take on the allegations of Spanish football doping in recent times?

{Ed001's Note - it is not just Spanish football, it is all football. They were just the ones caught, though no one is doing anything about it.}

29 Sep 2016 13:11:45
Based on those transfers and something ED002 said yesterday about a high profile manager being investigated, unless I am reading the situation incorrectly, I assume Mourinho is the man?

{Ed025's Note - i think you may be adding 2+2 together and coming up with 5 there mate..

29 Sep 2016 13:35:23
Dammit 25! I thought I was onto something.

{Ed025's Note - i think miss marple,s job is safe TC.. :)

29 Sep 2016 14:39:48
Gut feel is Pardew. Have I any Marple tendencies, 25?

29 Sep 2016 16:19:43
2+2=5 can be true for anyone who has read 1984.

29 Sep 2016 16:46:12
Ranieri? swear i read somewhere drogba was signed before mourinho turned up.

29 Sep 2016 18:17:42
Ranieri says he is the one who did the work to get Drogba in, but he was signed during Mourinho's reign.

29 Sep 2016 19:16:44
I'd love it to be Mourinho but I don't think we're that lucky lol I thought exactly the same t. cotton.

29 Sep 2016 20:23:23
Thanks t. cotton.

29 Sep 2016 20:52:45
Great article ed I was wandering if Ferguson would be one or more like I hope Ferguson would be one of the mangers from the past . Wouldn't it be great and strip old red nose of his knighthood.

29 Sep 2016 23:28:42
I think even if ferguson has been part of it, a quick bit of money in the right guys pocket will make him safe. he's no daft bloke, I can't see it coming out that he's dodgy, we all know he is. would be great to see it in black and white but i seriously doubt that'll ever happen. We can dream. Should this dream come true i'm putting the lottery on.

29 Sep 2016 00:00:13
Anyone got an update on Joe Gomez? Wondering if he'll get a look in this season with Matip, Lovren, Klavan and Lucas ahead of him?

29 Sep 2016 05:40:08
Klopp Always includes him in his fitness updates of the team in press conferences so I can only guess he is looking forward to him rejoining the squad and must see some games to play him.