Liverpool Banter Archive April 02 2012
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02 Apr 2012 22:57:16
Raheem Sterling = The New Messi
Jesus Fernandez Saez (Suso) = The New Messiah
Play them now before they go too!
Leave it out ,No pressure
An Ngoo = The New Ibra/Drogba
Seriously? The new Messi?
I don't think the "old" Messi is quite done yet.
The Wolfman
02 Apr 2012 22:50:01
I dont know if its my head looking for ideas why we're playing poor but has anyone notice that we've been crap since kevin keen was hired :s
Think we miss sammy lee giving the boot up lazy players asses. maybe a job carra could do?
02 Apr 2012 22:49:20
Not too sure about Benitez. Still can't get over his Barry/keane vision
Peter
Or why he used to take our key players off after 60 mins
Red raj
Red raj. But kk does not even take poor players out
You clearly don't know the full story. Alonso, despite popular opinion of most Liverpool fans, wanted to leave. Benitez said that he would allow him to leave as long as he could get Barry to replace him. The problem was the Owners didn't like Benitez one bit and decided to spend their money on a striker Robbie Keane before replacing Alonso. So we spent 20 million on Robbie Keane and then the Owners said there was no money left to buy Barry. So Benitez had to try as hard as he could to try and get in a replacement and the only one that he could get at budget was Aquilani. An injured Roma midfielder who was being bought through small sums of installments because they didn't really need the money.
The storys end is that Benitez couldn't do much with the owners being such controll freaks. Benitez wanted full controll of transfers because he knew that Hicks and Gillett wanted to buy their own guys.
Any questions? Benitez would thrive under these owners especially with the help of Comolli.
BthekingB
He never wanted keane
NZL_red
Kenny is too nice to the players
Aquilani a budget, he cost 20+million!
I think you might not know the full story. Alonso wanted to leave because Rafa would not give him the night off for the birth of his son as it was before champs league game with Juve
I think you don't know the full story: I never mentioned alonso. And Benitez explained the reasons for going after Barry and keane... Why would he do that if it was all parrys
02 Apr 2012 22:49:18
The most disappointing thing about yesterday's match (apart from the selection of Carragher - unbelievable!!) was the bench. Not one of the youngsters was included. I know that there is not going to be a massive influx of juniors but surely it is time to blood one or two of them. I have always said that a substitute goalkeeper was an unnecessary luxury - they are hardly ever needed (and then we can't use one!) - so why not give that place to a reserve. The fact is if that Liverpool go behind they always lose so there is always an opportunity to introduce a youngster. Players like Kuyt and Maxi will be leaving in a few weeks time so they should not even be considered for selection.
Dutchmal
Now is the perfect time , would be a mistake not to , but kk will need the bottle to do so , and to tell the fans this is us building for the future , even in defeat we could take that , theres 3 of them that should be in the team every leauge match until the end of the season , not the full 90 mins maybe but at least 45 mins or so , big mistake i thing if we dont , because finishing 10th or 7th makes no real difference , use this time please kk to give us and the young ones a lift, we will never have a better time to do so...............lfc
02 Apr 2012 22:49:08
Toon fan - come in peace. As a kid grew up watching Liverpool on telly in Europe and they were my 2nd club. Dissapointed with what I now see.
Kenny made a mess when he managed us - sold our quality & bought crap. History seems to be repeating itself.
Didn't he get you to second in the league and runners up fa cup finalist? Thats better than what Keagan did, EVERS....
Also remember, he's one of only two managers to win the league with two different teams. He must know something about football.
MR EM
He knew about football 20 years ago many things have changed and he bought the league with Blackburn so...
Yes but he finished 2nd with Special K's team. When he dismantled that we were crap and it was not until Sir B we were able to reverse what he started
02 Apr 2012 22:48:56
I just dont think we are getting any luck at the moment. I just hope we are saving our luck for the last part of the season. Martin Atkinson really had a poor game not helped by a poor linesman yesterday. I thought we were the better team for long periods but yet again we were not clinical, suarez should of showed a bit more composure to bring us back into the game.
But yesterday has gone and we move onto a really massive week next week first we have villa and Blackburn in the league lets hope we can get at least four points on the board and 6 points would be brilliant but not at the expense of the semi final which is a massive game and hopefully a final to look forward to.
It so important we give kenny the time to build our side and club to get back to the top. So lets all unite and show our support between now and the end of the season.
Mighty reds
How can younsaybthe linesman was poor? Or the ref, if you can see through a post and a crowd of 5-6 players then fair play to you
02 Apr 2012 22:42:38
Just flicked over to see the Blackburn vs Utd game, and they're singing songs about Luis Suarez... Haven't Utd fans got any chants?
RedSG
I know what ya mean Red...all they ever seem to chant is CHAMPIONS CHAMPIONS soooo boring ha ha ha ha ha
Devil Dust.
02 Apr 2012 22:36:52
We could easily be next Leeds etc.Drastic surgery needed right through club
The club is Secure
02 Apr 2012 22:31:30
things have not been going good and iam feeling------ still in love with liverpool what is wrong with me oh i no every one is not perfect not me not the players not kenny yes i want them to win every game but thats life we have to take the good with the verry bad love is in the heart and liverpool is in mine win lose or draw
liverpool till i die
Well said mate, i said same mysellf after game and actualy got one person call me delusional, lol, well what ever it is im like you i got it bad
martin p
p.s I just know someone is going to say whatever it is im sure they make a tablet for it lol
02 Apr 2012 22:31:18
Oh Carroll, you are such a fool.
You could have stayed a Geordie, but you chose Liverpool.
Yesterday we hurt you and we and we made you cry.
Oh Carroll, your carreer is going to die.
Carroll will you ever score another,
I really don't think so.
Cheating and diving.
I am glad we let you go.
Now Kenny dos'nt want you for his sweetheart
No matter what you do.
Oh Carroll, he's not in love with you
How long has it now been since Newcastle won anything? 50+ years?
How long since Andy Carroll last won anything? 2 months?
Take your jealousy elsewhere son.
MR EM
And how long has it been since you have one the title? It's not been in my lifetime that's for sure, so as a younger supporter Liverpool have always been average.
Yeah I heard only average teams win trophies and the Champions league.
BthekingB
If we're average then Newcastle have always been utter crap since i've been alive you absolute t**t!!
KiwiRed
02 Apr 2012 22:23:36
If Kenneth gets the old heave-ho, here's my list of prefered replacements:
1 Louis Van Gaal (been there,done it all)
2 Rafa Benitez (been there,nearly done it all)
3 AVB (Chelski's loss can be our gain)
4 Roberto Martinez (under-rated)
5 Brendan Rodgers (impressive,but a little green)
6 Frank De Boer (young & talented)
7 Unai Emery (young,talented,did well on a budget)
8 Luciano Spalletti (master Italian tactician)
9 Didier Deschamps (got a feeling we'll go for him)
10 Rodolfo Borrell (he's here,he's brilliant,why not?)
JW Henry
Agree with your number one. Would even give capello the job. If anyone scoffs at that you're a media puppet the mans a great manager
Peter
Lucien Favre
Jurgen Klopp
Heiko Vogel
But my favourite,
Oscar Tabarez
Forgot to mention Mauricio Pochettino of Espanyol. making a name for himself in Spain. Pep G speaks very highly of their style of play.
JW Henry
Would love Rodolfo to become first team manager!
Klopp
Emery
Loew
Van Gaul
Brendan Rodgers.
1st to last
Tell me apart from benitez. why does someone want to come to liverpool with this squad?? its only the history which will tempt some one to be associated with our club...owners wil lnot give 100 mill every season to a manger...their duty is over..providing the fund..u cant compell them to provied 100+100+100 every season...benitez is the right choice...only one bad season..not worse than current...he knows teh club..and knows most of the players...wil lsell all teh craps and searc ha wonder boy in spain and wil lmake him next torres...bring him on..i would give benitez a chance anytime this season...most important..he loves liverpool.......simple..
02 Apr 2012 22:11:28
Kenny must stay he's our manager the guy we trust most he made a couple of gamble signings in Carroll and Suarez which if we're being honest none of them have been great flashes of brilliance but not enough goals I believe Kennys coaching staff is were the blame must lie renia the best keeper we've had for years out of form midfield out of form strikers who can't score the only positive is stevie Clarke has made the defence strong again I think we should b searching for world class coaches to work alongside kenny
Maybe
02 Apr 2012 22:01:10
we need to win P.L.
1 cb-vertonghen, subotic, albiol, hummels,
1 lb-cissokho, pereira, baines, kadlec, armero, alba
2 dm-martinez, strootman, mvila, javi garcía, fernando
2 cm-Defour, Witsel, Diego, Sahin, Eriksen, Sessegnon
2 winger-James Rodríguez, Gaitán, Hulk, Götze, Lucas, Hoilett, Muniain, Hazard, Di Maria, Mertens,
2 cf-Cardozo, Falcao, Llorente, Cavani, Suarez
That's a lot of players. Not sure its in our budget or if they are interested.
You want to sign 37 players?
That's like a player every 2 days in the summer.
Either 37 players or 10 players. Still too much either way.
BthekingB
I reckon if we add these 37 players to our current squad we'd be in with a chance. Might need to lose Joe Cole though
cozinoz
02 Apr 2012 21:48:50
What did you all make of sunday's game? I thought the decisions went our way but over all we deserved the win.
Liverpool for me are just a quality right winger and a goal scorer away from being a very good team.
ToonFan
No doubt about it - You thoroughly deserved your win. Considering you played Jonas at LB and still had balance in your team, speaks volumes for your squad and management.
I agree that a RW and ST us a must this summer - here's hoping we make the right decisions re who! I'd add another CB and DefMid - then we're talking!
Very impressed with Newcastle this season, fantastic buys, fantastic consistency..
What did you think of Perch? Me - Total ****k, no need for it. You wouldn't catch a Liverpool player pretending he got hit like that......
Lee YNWA
Suarez?come on Lee
Suarez?... just sayin
Thankyou toon fan, you fully deserved your victory because the game was over as soon as you scored, the players have lost their belief that we won't conceed and that we won't recover from it. it's spread through the team like a disease but it is fixable, arsenal are a clear example of it this season. as soon as the key players were back from injury wenger had the luxury of putting the new arrivals into the squad system and using them at his own will. we've been hugely unlucky with key players being injured continuously, i feel for kenny in the fact that the team would not have crumpled like this had kelly, agger, johnson, lucas & gerrard been fit for such huge parts of the season, we probably would have been in and around where you happily sit. not quite champions league contenders but at the start of a good transitional period. a right winger, a goalscorer and a playmaker as well would change our fortunes come the summer and next season.
i see the club securing players of this stature in the coming months, maybe not the 'dream' players some fans on here stupidly demand but players to fill the obvious gaps. what will truly sadden me is if someone comes in as manager to replace kenny and the players that i've mentioned stay fit and coupled with a few new additions someone else will take the rewards for the squad in place.
i'm not saying that kenny's the right man for the job for the long haul especially with his age but as things stand any credible manager has either previously turned us down, already has a hugely well paid job elsewhere or are just not quite ready to step up to such a pressure job like AVB experienced this year at chelsea and like the brendan rodgers and paul lambert's of this world are probably in the same boat too.
s.p
Suarez likes to exaggerate the contact i know...I was referring to a non existent headbutt, remember Bellamy vs Dempsey? Just saying..
Lee YNWA
It looked existent to me, mate, Pepe deserved his red
cozinoz
02 Apr 2012 21:58:52
great website guys. now that man utd is going to win the title, i am so mad that they will lift the trophy for the 20th time. i said it before and i say it again, this is the worst liverpool team i have ever seen. to watch players who are not good enough such as spearing, flanagan, adam, carroll, hendo, downing, kuyt etc is a joke. i know we won't win the fa cup, but i hope we win it so we can face utd in the charity shield. kenny needs to put maxi, coates, sterling and kelly in the team because the others are useless. it just gets worst and worst for us.
02 Apr 2012 21:56:34
In
Jonas olsson, cb
Javi martinez, cm
Marco reus, rw
Oscar cardozo, st
Out
Fabio aurelio, lb
Alberto aquilani, cm
Maxi rodriquez, lw
Reus already sold
02 Apr 2012 21:55:46
That's how u win a game - hope KK taped it
02 Apr 2012 21:55:24
i think we shud stick wit kenny 4 at least another season and see wat happens, we hav to remember lucas out aggar out johnson out all major players 4 us at the start of the season hardly conseeding wen playing,and buy 3 or so good players then start judging,and or if he goes why shud we look at foreign managers why not give the job to jammie carragher, well respected around the footy world respected by players and staff and overheads, he is a good motivator , he wud get the best out of the players coz hed scare the bollox out of them,get robbie fowler in as attacking coach ?the same way it happened wen kenny took over all thoose years ago. just a thought
fagan81
I think jamie will be a good manager some day but think we need an experienced foreign manager to be honest for now .. maybe in the future when he has worked with a few clubs .. great mind for the game
LFC89
I think jamie would make a great stoke manager myself after all he likes a good hoof!
02 Apr 2012 21:48:08
As much as I hate them man utd know how to grind out results
I pressed agree because I hate them too
And we call Everton fans bitter and obseesed
02 Apr 2012 21:34:33
Gerrard and Carrolls reaction to KK were extremely disrespectful.
I wonder how the owners view this.
Its really unsavoury to see this kind of reaction.
This supposed to be a banter page, all you hear on here now is sack,sack,sack. I have supported Liverpool for many years, the real fans who go to away games give real support,at Newcastle they were terrific, but the opposition's home fans put our home supporters to shame, I hate to say it but United Newcastle and Spurs have more vocal home fans .They support their team even when things are going wrong. At Newcastle it was like a European away game, Everyone has a right to their opinion, so mine is this, Liverpool has been slowly going down hill for quite a few years, us fans have become frustrated and has NOT supported the team like we should.i think Kenny has done a good job at trying to deal with a lot of problems this season. The problem with the team is that to many of the new signing have had to change their style of play and can't do it as a unit, Kenny has made to many changes mostly through injury, he's trying to many different combinations which upsets the balance of the team. The frustration of the fans is being transferred onto the pitch, even at the start of a game the players look over anxious when they should be more relaxed. Believe it or not the fans have a very big part to play, they are our players Kenny is our manager until that changes we should get behind the team and Kenny , it used to be said that at Anfield the fans were our 12 man but now it seems like our fans are like the oppositions 12 man.......Bobbinred
Yeh I noticed when Kenny came onto the pitch when Reina was sent off Gerrard sent him away.....
what was it all about? does anyone know if anything was said?
ToonFan
The players are anxious! The fans are anxious, could it be that we can't score goals!! that's causing all this anxiety!
kidmillions. ( Are problems are simple really we need to make sure any player we sign in the summer forward or midfielder has an eye for goal.)
Some true Bobbin,but were s ite away now also lad
Is it fans fault were s ite away also?And as highly paid pros cant we expect them to be better when paying 40-5o quid a ticket?
Any new manager will need to get rid of Ste Gerrard. That would be the first thing I would do...
Kidmillions
Carroll and Suarez both apparently had an eye for goal before they arrived at Anfield....
Gav
02 Apr 2012 21:31:50
anyone know the res score? who played?
thanks,
jg
Think it was 4-1 to us
GuvTOB
We won 4-1, Sterling had a fantastic game.
Check the internet mate
Andre wisdom, stephen sama and emanuel mendy were great across the back. suso was working hard getting tackles in around the middle of the park and the interchanging of passing between him(suso) adorjan and sterling were great to watch, sterling was the stand out though. one on one with the keeper with a minute to go and unselfishly squared the ball to ngoo who coolly walked the ball round the last defender and slotted it home. great to see, the future is rosier than the present.
s.p
Cheers for the reply lads - to no name, the internet was searched - couldn't find any score when the question was posted. nothing going to be lost with putting a few of these lads on the bench - not saying there ready but would rather they got the experience and the chance to show what they can do, as none of the first team seem interested now.
jg
Dont watch 1st team any more but the resrves I will watch all day.
02 Apr 2012 21:25:32
Last season when kenny took over we were scoring goals and playing football without any fear and an exciting and attacking football,we had meireless,maxi,kuyt on starting 11 all of them scoring and fans enjoying and couldn't wait for new season to start so that we beat all the teams with our spirit
Fast forward 1year we have adam,downing,henderson instead of kuyt,maxi,meireless on starting 11,
I'm sure my 1year old son could say what is the difference,
What went wrong?sammy lee left?one of the reason,or KD thought he was more smarter and decided to drop performing players,the results are infront of everyone in black and white
So who's to blame,I'm sure player,owner and fans don't pick the team,the one who picks the team should be blamed as he's the one who think these player performing in training,
I'm sure Reina will leave as his body language is not right,I'm not blaming him maybe he's not happy with the tactics,training and ths could be with many players but I'm sure they can't openly criticise the manager as he's loved by blindly lfc fans,and maybe that's the reason KD is still incharge,otherwise any other manager would have been sacked,even Wolves decided to sack their manager as they didn't performed,because they want to win and want results,I'm sure many here are happy about winning carling cup,but winning carling cup and finishing outside top ten what would fans prefer?
I'll say again BRING BACK RAFA BENITEZ...!!
Unamed poster
Your 1 year old son needed time to crawl before he could walk. get real.....Bobbinred
Meireles? Rafa? Sammy Lee? Youre just a stirrer, aren't you - either that or you really dont have a clue
Sammy lees a joke rest fairly valid
02 Apr 2012 21:25:08
Walk On Walk on with hope in your hearts and you'll never walk alone,
Please so called LFC fans remember the words of our anthem and start backing a man that has given the majority of his life too the club , he walked through the storm and rain and stood by families and the club at some of the darkest hours of our history, a man with more passion than any of us so called fans.
Believe, I can remember those days how it took its toll on one of the best managers of the time.
We have been a post, a piece of luck away from getting 20 more points, before christmas we were playing the Liverpool way, be patient and give the guy a chance and some support. We have become supporters like the Chelskis of the world wanting instant success from a sugar daddy owner, we are Liverpool who will do things the Liverpool way, be patient and the good times will come, and dont let Kenny Walk Alone, he never let the families of the 96 walk alone so why should we let him WALK ALONE.
LFC forever and whatever
Evered
Finally someone who speaks sense, this just made my night thank you! Kingkenny :)
Everred lovely sentiment-aahhh the past again
Must be lovely living in the past all the time
The 'liverpool way' is dead. We need a new and modern approach to the game. No need to quote shankley n co. They r gone, n their ideas r not gonna lead to success in the modern game.
Indian Buzzer
02 Apr 2012 21:23:36
What odds can I get on a refereeing "mistake" gifting 3 pts to Utd I'd stake my mortgage on it.
Did you get a chance to place your bet? If so, looks like you lost you house! Commiserations
Gav
02 Apr 2012 21:17:12
Any chance in Grant Hanley the young Blackburn defender he looks potentially better than phil jones. I think we should make a move for him this summer. Anyone agree future prospect get them in now while he's still young bring him through.
Can he play upfront and score? No! We need to spend any money on goalscorers.
Why not Yakubu too while we're at it
02 Apr 2012 21:10:25
Everyone who's shouting for Paul Lambert or Brendan Rodgers to replace dalglish has to get real. I remember when everyone said Roy hodgson was a good replacement for rafa, and look at what's happened. If there is a replacement then it has to be someone with experience.
That doesn't even make sense, woy is one of the most experienced managers in the world today, I can only assume you mean managers from the uk, which is a daft argument
Andy H
If you asked for Brendan Rogers a year ago, most people would be saying 'who?'
02 Apr 2012 21:09:07
Sack the lot of um kd and Charlie Adam Jordan hen and Carroll downing aqua joe cole maxi rest of wasters bring in big from abroad alba piatti piazon cavarni lavezzi ronaldinho spend like city u will get results
Piazon? That just above average kid who Chelsea paid 6M for? He's not half as good as Joao Carlos/Suso too.
Get real....And Ronaldinho?!!
We dont have the cash to do that ,and we may get used to it.
Eam
02 Apr 2012 21:06:30
we have to get brendan rodgers the new fergie after that players important
02 Apr 2012 20:59:08
I think these videos are good for the soul...
Too much hate, sack, sell, "I could do better"
Nonsense - Support the players, Support the club. Stop acting like Man U, Chelski fans please.
Lee YNWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XjPy8FxCzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W8Zzzzro0Q
Mate we support the team. But if the over paid slackers wont do anything for us? Why support the individual players
I know, I know.
You can't say they're slackers tho - that doesn't wash with me sorry. Bar a few games this season - they've given everything, with zero reward.
If you think different, we'll agree to disagree my friend.
Lee YNWA
Wake up Lee been shyte mostve season son.Leauge doesnt lie.Sentiments lovely but keeps us firmly routed in the past.
Lee me again. Forgot the signatur. But I do not see any heart or Will. When Newcastle were up 1-0 the players seemed careless, they gave up! Thats not showing heart. Danieldenmark
Daniel - Can't disagree with you tbh. I'm basing my observations over the season so far.
No excuses tho - not good enough.
Lee YNWA
Lee you talk carp and come across as very bitter towards other, successful clubs
I think if Liverpool fans just admit to themselves that they have become a mid table club you wouldnt all be so bitter or miserable all the time. Carroll, Hendo, Downing & Adam were never good enough to elevate you to top 4...dont make me laugh...so just be satisfied with mid table (where you belong) and that way you can delight in any cup successes
After all - it's 2012 now, not the mid 1980's
Gav
02 Apr 2012 20:52:44
Guus hiddink or martin o'neil for our next manager please!
02 Apr 2012 20:51:12
We need a right winger like Antonio Valencia. He has blistering pace, can take on his man, is strong, keeps the width, has a great engine and is arguably the best crosser in the league. If you watch his crosses he almost always picks someone out and thinks about where he is putting it. Wish we had gone for him before he moved to Man U.
Neil P
We were after him, and he chose that lot...
Depends who your crossing the ball to?
He chose right as he prefers to win titles not meaningless cups
He probably would have played carp for us. We have a knack of buying reasonable players who then underperform. Whereas the Mancs get an extra 110% out of their players. I guess success breeds success whereas any new signings we have become mediocre.
MidlandRed
Good point. Harry kewell was awesome before he came to us.
Neilp
Credit has to go to SAF for getting him - he is a top winger - exactly what we need on the right. He is not completely arrogant either so is a real stand out for me in the Utd team. Fair play to him and Ferguson for his success.
LIVERPRES
We bought Kewell when he was passed his best
02 Apr 2012 20:36:50
Why our next manager should be foreign....
Thinking a lot about our current situation, but more importantly thinking about what our situation will be next year and subsequent years.
What I've thought is this.
The last few seasons has done some damage to our reputation, three years outside the top 4. No Champions League for three years, and a team in transition for three years and counting. How do we sell our team to a prospective player? We cant sell them recent results or success, a league cup is not going to attract any good players (though the FA cup will help if we win that). We cant offer the same level of european football that all the other 'big' clubs can offer, and we wont offer the wages that other 'big' clubs will offer.
So how do we attract good players?
The answer lies in a foreign coach. Wherever a manager comes from will usually result in players from that league or same home nation being more agreeable to joining that manager. Its happened with Houllier, Rafa and plenty of other teams. Should Kenny be politely asked to step aside in the summer then I think it would be within our best interests to appoint a manager working in Germany. The players which are bought from the german league are usually bought for reasonable fees (see: Reus, Sahin), they are not on extortionate wages, and are (generally) team players.
Before you all shout Klopp or Loew, I think our chances of luring them away from their jobs are slimmer tham Ronaldo being voted fair player of the year. However it does not mean there are not other alternatives, Jupp Heyncks: (Spelling?) is a decent manager and I hear that the Bayern board may be considering his position in the summer, player reports about him are generally good and he is well versed with the media.
Huub Stevens: is doing an excellent job at Schalke and has managed to revitalise the career of both Raul and Hunteelaar. He also works within a budget.
Van Gaal: has been mentioned before and comes with an extensive history with almost every league and also a fearsome reputation, personally I dont think he would be a fit for us.
Failing the german league there is also the spanish league where a few decent managers reside, transfer fees and wages for players from this region tend to be almost as high as ours but the quality of player is usually very good.
Unai Emery : /i have championed him a couple of times (which people are probably sick of) but I think with good reason. He is likely to be availble in the summer, constructs a good team on a shoestring budget and his dips into the transfer market have been good.
Manuel Pellegrini : Has done an excellent job at Malaga (with a big budget) and also did the same at Villareal and Madrid. Right kind of work ethic for our club and also tends to play attacking football.
Just a couple of managers from foreign leagues that I've picked out after looking a bit. There's a couple from France worth mentioning also such as Deschamps, Le Guen and Rudi Garcia but I dont know why but I dont feel them to be right for us, they are all still capable though.
Thanks for reading. Comments are welcome and appreciated as always.
Nevada
Michael Laudrup. RED LENIN
I really wanted Manuel Pellegrini when we replaced Rafa, brought together a host of new (albeit very high quality in Ronaldo, Alonso, Kaka et al) to play some great football at Madrid. He took Villarreal to new heights, rebuilding the careers of the likes of Forlan, Rossi and Riquelme along the way.
Of the other managers listed, I don't really know too much about the German League ones, but Jupp Heynecks (sp) was linked with us in the 90s! He must be ancient now...
RedSG
Laudrup is a good one. Agree with you there Red Lenin. I think Van Basten is talented as well.
Nevada
Kenny Dalglish
Don't think you can advertise a vacancy for a foreign only manager
Bob Bradley
02 Apr 2012 20:29:28
Hi Eds,
Heard from a source that Camolli has been called upon by the owners to explain his heavy investment in the underachieving Summer signings, do you know if there is any truth behind this?
Cheers,
RedMan {Ed002's Note - It makes no sense at all. Perhaps something that came about on Twitter.}
I think you need to lay off the sauce if you are hearing things.
DM2012
No that post is true
Why do people seem to be laying the blame at Commoli's feet for bad signings? Its my understanding that Kenny has the final say on all player transfers, so should the buck not stop with Kenny?
Steve
Just passing on what I've been told, if its true OK, if its not OK.Its Camolli's job to recruit players afterall so I don't think he should be blame free here.
RedMan.
02 Apr 2012 20:18:59
Hello Ed002,
we are in the middle of nowhere with nothing to play for in EPL, apart from being higher than Everton. Only semi final and hopefuly final of FA Cup to play. People keep on throwing in gossips about KK, new managers, transfer targets. And some stupid ideas of not going to the matches and not to support as well. Great! Less income will certainly help the club...It will be up to the owners to decide what to do with Dalglish and some of the players, but clearly to them, and to the manager as well, and to fans all over the world, it is not working too well. I know that our hopes were higher, our hearts are bleeding seeing LFC so low in the table. This is not what this club deserves, this is not what these fans deserve. But maybe we should stop putting blame on Dalglish, Adam, Downing and co. The team does not work well together and it is not only the individual players' fault. We should not forget this season, we should learn the lesson. Let's hope the club does. The only rays of sunshine are our Eds. Thanks for keeping us alive and in good shape. Grreat work. And to all the fans : KEEP ON BLIEVING IN BETTER, NOT BITTER, FUTURE! YNWA! {Ed002's Note - I am pretty confident that the owners will look to do what is best for the club and that will be their focus. They will need to take account of the various issues that have come about this season and they have to consider the club sponsors. Deciding the way forward and the achieving it will be paramount. With the existing management team or without them.}
Good reply Ed
02 Apr 2012 20:21:58
Just flicked over to see the Blackburn vs Utd game, and they're singing songs about Luis Suarez... Haven't Utd fans got any chants?
RedSG
What kind of things are they singing?
taran
I heard it and decided to watch Coronation Street instead...
I think it was the blackburn fans singing 'he says what he wants,Luis suarez, he says what he wants'.
Joshlfc
United fans were singing 'They're cracking up, they're cracking up, they're cracking, city's cracking up'. Glorious. Going to be 20 and counting....
WizardOzmand
That gets vme with them,their leaving us behind yet constantly sing about us.-no class
02 Apr 2012 20:16:18
Evening eds,
Just wanted to ask your opinions on what you think may happen with the current management at the end of the season. Also your opinions on the new signings.
Thanks
Ultra red {Ed002's Note - Please take the time to read the other posts.}
I've tried ed but there is so much bile to trawl through I can't find much about what you guys/gals think. I'll keep looking.
Ultra red
02 Apr 2012 20:06:29
I am preferring watching the reserves at the moment
-Al-
Yeah, they can actually pass the ball.
02 Apr 2012 20:01:55
The young lad Dan Smith is joining from crewe - only 16 great prospect hope he makes it
02 Apr 2012 19:54:10
10 Mar 2012 23:08:46
What ever happend to the rewflo fella, loved his posts and he was a reliable source
Ed's? Any idea? {Ed001's Note - no sorry.}
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To whoever posted this question. Rewflo still posts but has changed his name. If you watch enough you'll figure out what he changed to as his posts tend to have a particular style and generally only posts info about serie A or La liga. Hope this helps
Nevada
Rewflo is an anagram for Fowler {Ed002's Note - It is also an industrial toilet cleaner product.}
Nevada, I know he changed his name but what is it. I thought he changed it to " smartest Man on the page"
I spotted who he is but after he had a bit of trouble with someone posting silly comments under his name I think its probably best if I dont say what he changed it to.
I'm pretty sure ed that he is named after fowler not the toilet products ha ha ha
Nevada
02 Apr 2012 19:51:11
I've just seen our goal difference and good news guys where in the green with a massive 3
02 Apr 2012 19:47:59
Reserves are doing well tonight against villa 2-0 up at half time
hope kenny is watching , i think suso deserves a first team shout , sterling , eccleston etc have had little chances still cant believe suso hasnt , hes such an attacking threat and has great creativity , something we are really lacking at the moment.
also well done nathan eccleston took his goal well tonight , think he deserves a chance as well.
DLG
02 Apr 2012 19:41:51
Carroll was bought to be our main goal scorer. He doesn't fit into our style of play. He doesn't score goals. So, could somebody please explain why he is in the team. Don't bother saying he needs time to develop. He will never fit into our pass and move, high tempo style of play. I say try to sell him at the first opportunity.
High tempo? Have u seen our midfield? The only guy with pace is Sterling. Downing, Gerrard, kuyt, Adam etc are not full of tempo
High tempo doesnt mean pace. but i do think we need some
NZL_red
It has been plane to see over the years liverpool have lacked pace.
02 Apr 2012 19:58:14
So that looks like Steve Parker gone then? Read the Ed002 saying there were lots of abusive comments about it. What did he write to generate that? The man is never short of an idea and I loved reading his stuff. The web bullies win again by the sound of it. That's a s**t way to behave to other fans. still at least we can read their crap and boring jabber instead of someone who could write and excite eh?
YNWAPaul 87
Was that they guy who's posts were longer than the bible?
Well i read what Steve Parker wrote this morning and it was a cracking post about how players were cheating and what refs and the FA shud do to stop it. What on earth could anyone have been able to say that was abusive about that? The site used to be good but its being destroyed by mindless and stupid posters. We lose people like SP and it just become a site full of moaners and bitchers. Can't understand what anyone cud have said that would have justified abusing a really thoughtful post on the disease killing the game. What's going on?
Tony Bootle87
In all walks of life there will always be knobs, Liverpool fans included.
The Irish Rover
02 Apr 2012 19:38:23
Just something I noted in our current campaign. Why is it that even though we have Gerrard and Carroll, who inspite of his recent form, we never seem to be in the mood to test a keeper from around 30 yards out? Carroll and Gerrard both have a proven beast of a shot (albeit this season) yet we always try to thread the ball into the box with cute and unnecessary flicks. Yesterday was a rare game wherein the opposition keeper was having a shambolic error of judgement at almost everything, yet still nobody even attempted to unsettle him with a few rasping attempts at goal. Sometimes all it takes is a slip or a misjudgement from the opposition to get yourself back into a match. Oh and btw why is it that Spearing keeps 'demanding' the ball in front of the box when he clearly isn't a dribbler. Why doesn't he just concentrate on keeping an eye out for someone like Cabaye or Ben-Arfa who are so dangerous at counter-attacks? Comments please?
sama491
Why does he demand the ball ? are you serious?
02 Apr 2012 19:37:54
OK here goes. Every successful league winning and challenging Liverpool team was built around a spine.It is difficult to see where the spine of this team is.The goalkeeper and the defence is in place but beyond that i challenge anyone to easily name a midfield and strikers that should start every game, for me that is the problem here, even with Rafa you had reina, carra, hyypia, masch, alonso, gerrard and torres as first names on almost every teamsheet, you can't do that with this current crop of players because either they are not good enough or they HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GEL CONSISTENTLY. surely not even the most well informed fan did not expect league glory this season and even CL qualification should have been regarded as a massive bonus. expectation is one thing, realism is more important and we haven't won the league for 22 years so let's get behind the team and manager in the quest for the FA cup because winning silverware is a habit that stands us in good stead for the future with these players and this manager. Kenny must stay and be given the time to do his job, if he is not the man you can be sure he will be the first to hold up his hand and say so and step aside but in the meantime lets stick together and raise the roof on saturday agaisnt villa. YNWA. JFT96.
Our spine is :reina, johnson, skrtl, agger, enrique, lucas, gerrard, suarez. the problem is that injurys/ bans have kept 5 of them out of the team for long periods of the season so what we have really had all season:
riena, skrtl, enrique
derryred
Reins
Agger Skertl
Gerrard Lucas
Suarez
AN Other
This would be the spine - its the rest we have to worry about
02 Apr 2012 19:37:49
I recall watching a Danish team called Aalborg BK playing at OT. And the fans from Aalborg only was about 2000 fans. They drowned 70000 Man Utd fans with noice. Would never happen at Anfield because Liverpool has the best fans the UK. Danieldenmark
Stoke did it the other week, in fact anfield is so quiet most away teams do anyway, try to stop bigging up something thats not there!
02 Apr 2012 19:25:22
Just think, in 3 months time we will have all forgotten about this season.
It's clear to everyone that kenny blew his chance of a successful season when he decided to buy Adam, Henderson and Carroll. They had a good first half of the season with their previous clubs, and that was it! The money paid for them was ridiculous, our league form has highlighted this.
Kenny will no doubt get the sack along with his coaching staff. When the fans are hurting from seeing such bad results, the owners will obviously act and bring in a new manager. My bet is Dechamps if we can get him.
Comolli and Deschamps may work better together in that they want buy players like jordan henderson just because he is english. They would look to europe for players who will be better quality for a cheaper price.
I think we will see a bit of a clear out in the summer, with Johnson, Maxi, Kuyt, Fabio A, cole, aquilani and maybe even carroll leaving. We prob wont get that much for all of these combined, but at least we will have spare places in the squad. The owners have already shown us that they will spend money on the areas of the team that need to be addressed.
We didnt get a striker in January, there will be two coming in the summer. The same goes for wingers, probably two needed. An attacking mid, hopefully gaston ramirez.
So we have got a busy, dare i say it, exciting summer coming up. A new manager (simply because of the awful signings made) and as 'Macca' says, possibly 5 new signings. We will be better next year.
Fowler 99
Bring in Van Gaal!
02 Apr 2012 19:22:29
Just wondering. Who would be in your first 11 against Aston Villa? Would you play the youngsters or keep to the normal first team? Thanks
SUSO
The youngsters or keep to the normal first team, ..normal team...prob keep the team thats losing, why change now?
TheJazz
Doni,carragher,coates,skrtel,enrique,gerrard,Henderson,Adam,downing,Suarez,Carroll.
02 Apr 2012 19:18:31
Hi eds.. if Kenny were to step down... who do u think would b a good realistic replacement? {Ed002's Note - Please read the earlier posts.}
02 Apr 2012 19:30:51
Take a bow Nathan son,Suarez wouldn't take that chance fact. WelshBoyDave
Ok now a bloe who couldn't buy a start at Rochdale Charlton or Huddersfield is a better finisher than SUarez
No - he would have jinked his way past these boys and scored at least hat-trick by now.
02 Apr 2012 19:29:21
Just seen on Sky Sports that Clint Dempseys contract is up in the summer. Is this true and would we be interested. His ability and versatility would be great for us.
Cheers
CSE {Ed002's Note - I don't think Dempsey's contract is up this year.}
June 2013 contracted till (jim22)
02 Apr 2012 19:22:20
I Had Liverpool To Get Relegated At 1000 To 1, hopefully ticket prices will be cheaper in championship
02 Apr 2012 19:19:52
Can u link of famous kennys?
Kenny Rogers
Kenny Dalglish
Kenny SouthPark
add any u think of.
Kenny Dodd !
Not The Real Ken Dodd
I kenny be bothered
Loggins
Kenny Samson
Kenny Loggins
Kenny Baker
& Kenny in Liverpool {Ed003's Note - Right,last one that !}
Keny Loggins - singer/songwriter for the Top Gun soundtrack
Nevada
Do ye KEN John Peel - another great Liverpool supporter!
DM2012
Kenny Everett
Ken Aguero - The most famous of all!
02 Apr 2012 19:05:08
Eds do you think Rodolfo Borell would be a good choice for first team coach?
Just want to hear your opinion on wether he would be ready for the challenge and be able to handle the job? {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers please.}
02 Apr 2012 18:56:06
Pep Guardiola
Wait and see ... thats all Im gonna say !
ski
Barcelona to Liverpool...hmmm
Bit like going riches to rags
I mean, it must be awful being the manager of barcelona. Having the best players, winning trophies every year, money to spend, and a 100,000 capacity stadium. And the social life in barcelona, non-existent. Why would he leave, to any club for that matter, he can't better his career, he can only do worse.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Pep Guardiola is not coming to Liverpool. He's already in advance talks with Rhyl TNS. RED LENIN
Great managers move for football reasons, Guardiola may not be able to get a better job elsewhere but he can prove himself a world beater if he moves to a different club.
Mourinho is a prime example, he wants to win the three biggest leagues and also win the Champions League with as many teams as possible, Guardiola is the same, wants to prove he is a great manager, and that it is not simply a great team doing it for him.
Listen, when you leave Barca, for whatever reason, it's always going to be a step down! Man Utd & Real Madrid included. Maybe Guardiola wants to test himself at another club. It's too easy for him anyway at Barca! He needs a new challenge, maybe not us tho, his wages would be pretty big I'm guessing.
The Irish Rover
Let me g get this right! you seriously think he would join liverpool and become their next manager? lol everyone one of you should be sectioned!
Pep Guardiola would be the dream ticket, but you would still get fans complaining that we don't play like Barcelona after 2 weeks...
RedSG
Pep has said in the past that he wants a challenge to prove to the footballing world that it is him who is managing the team to success not the players. He has Messi, Xavi and Iniesta in that team who can be managed by just about anyone. He has stated [well his wife] that he is probably going to have a year off because he has aged a lot. It doesn't seem too far of a stretch.
BthekingB
Guardiola will almost certainly leave Barca. Or do you expect him to remain manager forever?
If, as everyone seems to think, any move is a move down, then it may as well be to Liverpool.
Oh, and we have as many fans around the world as Barca does. So we are not so little.
Heard here on foxsports in australia, that Roman has offered Pep 16 million a season after tax to take over Chelsea. Any news on that over in England?
Steve {Ed002's Note - There has been no offer made to Guardiola by Chelsea.}
Thanks ed002, I just assumed it was stupid rumour as I hadnt heard it or read it anywhere else.
Steve
02 Apr 2012 18:46:59
Not a rumour, just relevant to the rumours page: Why do most of Ed022's player profile uploads get marked with a slew of 'Unbelievable' clicks? He is providing a valuable service for those visitors who don't know the players very well. You may disagree with the rumours, but why disagree with someone's hard work to assist other football fans?
Jimbo77
02 Apr 2012 18:43:13
Lots of disgraceful criticism from the self proclaimed "bestest supporters in the world" about LFC.
I feel I need to cheer you up, whilst also reminding those critical of your team of some medical advice from "King" Kenny.
So firstly, as I am here to cheer you up, I can point out a couple of examples that things could be worse, just to give you that :) feeling;
1) Did you know, in the current PL league form table you are above lots of PL teams...oh wait, sorry LFC are only above Wolves....opps! (Note to self, must sack my research assistant, Woy Hodgson, enough of his jokes!)
Errr, well look at it this way, you could be bottom!
Ahem, moving on.....
2) Did you know you are second in the "Merseyside League" and only 1 point behind the leaders!
I also should remind you of some important Medical advice from your "King":
As you maybe aware, your current manager, "King Kenny", has decreed that any critics of his team need "an intelligence check!"
I don't know if "intelligence checks" are available on the NHS, but as "King" Kenny has proclaimed that this is necessary, and he is the "King" after all, alot of you had best try and make an appointment asap.
However, I would imagine there is a very very long waiting list.
Eric Banterna x
Such witty repartee.....
Lee YNWA
Northwest News has just been on the telly, they asked people on the street outside Anfield and everyone of them supported Kenny. Don't take negatives on this site to be indicative of the general feeling in Liverpool. We are and always will be the best supporters in the land.
kidmillions
If carlsberg did supporters. Wait they changed sponsors
Barcelona.
All Bitters
02 Apr 2012 18:31:21
This season has been the hardest I can remember in a very long time. Not because of results, but because of the damage it has done to the reputation of the club.
From the Suarez-Evra incident, to the Suarez t-shirts, to Suarez's constant arm waving and writhing antics, to Johnson's constant tweets (someone please ban players from tweeting!), to Kenny's increasingly absurd interviews, to Carroll's diving . . . good grief, it just goes on and on.
I have never encountered as many comments from neutrals and rival fans mocking the club as a bunch of cheats and hypocrites as I do nowadays.
It is becoming harder and harder to be an LFC fan. And I have been one for more than thirty years.
I can't wait for this season to end. And for the owners to implement a top-to-bottom clear-out of players, coaches, and whoever is in charge of PR and media relations.
Reputation is the most valuable and precious commodity in existence. We are squandering ours.
And when all the new boys move in everyone will love us.
I agree, it is not just the poor league form but the worldwide press attention and humiliation concerning matters away from the field hav been unbearable at times this season. I can't wait for this season to end and start a fresh during the summer.
I have never encountered so many people at work or anywhere for that matter who don't usually talk about football or know football that much but they seem to know we are doing badly in the league and to be honest off the field to with the Evra /Saurez situation being main topic of discussion.
One area we definitely need to reassess is our PR team, yes granted we have not helped ourselves in bringing in unwanted attention but our PR team seem to be clueless and have made situations worse rather than alleviating the problem.
LFC4LIFE
02 Apr 2012 18:28:39
i have officially come to terms that lfc will be a club who finishes 10th 9th 8th region for a long time to come with the occassional fa cup and carling cup etc but, no pl title or cl cup will be won for a long time maybe some day many years away.. come the end of this season and next if not already we will officially be an average team that was once among the best.. it is all going to have a knock on effect because no big players ever sign for average clubs our only hope is our youth team in hope that a few of them become great players eg sterling shelvy kelly etc,,
LFC89
Spurs were an average team, investment headed by comolli sorted that out. a team in transition is not going to finish in the top 4 these days. newcastle and sunderland are doing well but we have invested more for the future whilst they for the present and near future. i really doubt that in a few years time hendo won't be brillint, carrol wont be netting? sterling wont be pushing down that wing? coates wont be our new agger. jonjo wont be brilliant? kelly and wilson wont be brilliant? think about it a few good investments will improve us.
derryred
02 Apr 2012 18:08:06
I know we would all want a Mourinho or a Hiddink for manager, because a big name can bring in big players but id like a look at Brendan Rodgers (Spelling?), he has the right empthasis on the game and with a decent number 2 such as we already have he could really thrive at a club like Liverpool surely the two match, a manager who has earnt his right to have a chance with a big team, and Liverpool, a big team who need someone with the balls to change things around.
Anfield Andy
Remember what happened last time we brought someone in with just a years premiership experience?
We are playing good football too. We just aren't finishing off our chances.
BthekingB
I just wonder about Brendan Rodgers , whether managing LFC is too far removed form a Swansea to make him a viable 'Big Club' manager in the next few years .
Qwerty
Why didn't Swansea win the championship last season?
kidmillions
He inherited a team that was already playing that style of football I don't know why everyone is so quick to think he will bring that to lfc?
Jman
02 Apr 2012 18:07:39
I just want to talk about our goalkeeper position, i think one of the most important signings this summer has to be a top back up keeper to keep Reina on his toes and to give him some competition. His performances have not been upto reinas standards this season, whos is a top keeper but we need some one to push him.
It would be good to hear the eds and posters opinions on this?
Thanks
mighty reds
Reina needs to go
Has to be done reina has been average for awhile now because he has no competition.. gk myself and fighting for a place always made me play better same goes for any position
LFC89
I use to think he was one of the best in the world, but for the last 12 months, I wouldn't say he was anywhere near that. Have absolutely no idea how a goal keeper can suddenly start making so many bad calls on staying on his line or coming out to crosses and such, but he has. A bit of a strange one for me. Saying that, he's still pretty good, I am never worried when he's on the team sheet. He's also supposed to be good in the dressing room, good with other players etc, which does help out too. 2 seasons ago, I would have been devastated if he left. Now, if we got a good replacement, and the sale meant we could get a better outfield player, I wouldn't be too upset. I guess that says something! Nick.
For my own part , I like Doni . Though he is 6ft 7" tall he seems to be very agile and athletic , I am looking for to seeing him play in the next few games atleast .
Qwerty
The players who 'need to go' changes week to week! Only a few can come out of this season with any credit imho..
Skrtel
Lucas
That's it.
The rest have let themselves down, whether it be injuries, bad form, lack of commitment, 'luck'...
I am really, really looking forward to our Merseyside Semi-Final against the bitters. They are going to face a fired up Liverpool juggernaut. Let them have their moment above us in the league - It's not like it happens often right?
Lee YNWA
You are deluded we can't even beat Wigan it's people like you that make us a laughing stock.
We haven't won against Wigan at home for quite some time - so your point and statement is folly.
Lee YNWA
02 Apr 2012 18:02:17
We must do 3 signings 1.Didie Deshamp 2.Eden Hazard 3.Olivier Giroud (50 million)
Dreamland pal
Is dechamps still playing? Unbelievable.
02 apr 2012 18:02:13
you will never walk alone king kenny..walk on..together in victory together in defeat.
But mainly defeat were Kenneth is concerned! He has broken records for poor league performance! Legend to Muppet.
TIME TO GO.....
I dont want kk to walk alone either great player for us and has been there for us in the past..but for the sake of our future jog on kenny management is not for you..
LFC89
Lfc89 Cant you show the man some respect, if he is to leave and we dont win another game this season, the man still deserves respect!
By all means say you dont believe he is doing a good job and shouldn't be in charge, but jog on?
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. You weren't even spunk whilst kenny was making this club what we know and love, and he is no doubt trying his best to restore that. It might not be working but dont be so damn disrespectful .
I clearly showed him respect by saying that he WAS a great player and STILL is a great person to lfc BUT he ISN'T a good manager.. you are right i wasnt around when he was helping make lfc BUT does that not mean that i can look at him as a manager TODAY and see unlike those people blinded by his past that he is a poor manager and has made more wrong than right decisions this season
LFC89
02 Apr 2012 17:57:05
If Kenny is to leave, i honestly would like to see Brendan Rogers given a shot, and bring 1 or 2 players over with him..
He may end up at spurs but i do think he could do a fantastic job. Forget the expensive AVB's of this world.
I don't think he'll end up at Tottenham, they're two parties with their own style of football and neither will be willing to give that up.
Please forget about brendon rogers, hes had 1 decent season, lets not do a roy, lets have someone in with good experience in europe.
We never learn one good season in the PL and we want them if he is still doing great in 2 seasons then yes ..
Kenny needs another year.
02 Apr 2012 17:49:47
eds do you reckon commoli recommended the likes of adam, downing, henderson etc to dalglish or did he have a different list of targets but dalglish decided on his own players as he had "final say" over who he signs.
Thanks {Ed002's Note - I rather doubt it but he would be part of the assessment process.}
02 Apr 2012 17:46:48
No matter what people think about the gaffer and the players they are a part of the liverpool family and we support our club win, loose or draw. Thats why we support liverpool and not man u, chelsea or city. It is easy to support a club thats winning but it takes a true fan to support the club during the hard times and right now we need to go to anfield to wembley in our thousands and support our club they need us now more then ever.
Red raj
We support win lose or draw, so why isnt Houllier still in charge? Benitez? Hodgson? because we want our team to win, thats what football is about, you cannot simply leave things when they are broken
Yeah do you think i like loosing you no name muppet but if you sack kenny today who would you get for the last 8 games.If changes are made then the summer is the best time right now support your club.
Red raj
I didnt say sack him now, i think he should be moved 'upstairs' in the summer. I support my club, thats why he should be replaced, because the proud and ambitious club that I support is sliding without trace, in the league.
Sorry I forgot to sign my last post regarding the previous managers who would all still be in charge if we supported win lose or draw.
Anfield Andy
02 Apr 2012 17:21:26
its nice to see players been linked with liverpool its also nice to see people NOT saying he's NOT LIVERPOOL STANDARD i think any player at this stage would be liverpool standard
Look at the players dismissed as 'not liverpool quality' that we didn't sign:
Seb Larsson - diamond in the rough and bargain on a free
Shane Long/Demba Ba - would have been that poacher we desperately needed this season
dead right sir, we've been in over our heads too long. It's time to rebuild with modesty
Mr controversy
02 Apr 2012 17:17:51
Hi Eds.
I have read some of the criticisms aimed at Kenny and I feel if they ( being the critics) truly belief he is to blame for the situation we are in now, How many of these critics were screaming for Kenny to take the job?
It is true we are in a serious situation as far as the league is concerned. (to put it mildly.) I don't believe bad luck plays to much of a role in our results. It's lots of different things: poor management, poor players, poor scouting, Hicks and Gillette who should take a lot of the blame, Rafa, silly ranting ,which possibly cost us the title a couple of seasons back and causing Alonso to leave.Loosing Maxi and Torres The fans who give Roy Hodgson a bad time. over paying way over the odds for Andy carrol. the new owners for listening to the fans to give Kenny the Job. Commoli cost us the signing of Ashley Young. spouting of to the media who the clubs intended targets were.
Kenny took the job in good faith and obviously loves the club and the fans. which is a big plus, but he probably has been away to long and like so many of the fans lives in the past.
It is possible he regrets his transfer dealings thus far and if given one more season and a big transfer kitty, he may decide to look abroad for targets and tweak some of his approaches to the modern game he may regain his title as King Kenny (the Manager not the player.) and make us a best club again. We are not a force any more and have not been for some time yet so many fans expect instant success and to attract the top players all of the time. the fans heap far to much pressure on new players with their expectations and demands we must be realistic and ease on the romance and give new players a chance and new managers a chance to make their mark.
Players must take responsibility for their own work ethic professionalism and improvement on and off the pitch
There are players in the current side that do not tick all of the boxes and are partly responsible for the mess we are in right now.
The fact is Kenny understood the players years ago and could relate to them and inspired players. I don't
think he can now. certainly not all of the current squad. Even Stevie G has lost the faith in Himself and the current set up.
We need to get behind the team and the manager and leave the criticising untill the end of the season.
We still have a chance of the FA cup, it may ease the pain of the league standing. WE will have a great day weekend if we do win the cup won't we ?
All The Best
EJ
Its funny how one of the players that was a contributing factor in the fans upset with Rafa is seen as one of our best now.Just saying
red tinted glasses
Ej a good well thought out post , but i have to disagree with you , winning the f.a.cup will paper over the cracks , the buys were dowing well better at their old clubs , so whats changed , i will tell you whats changed and thats their managers , they have kenny now and he cant get a winger to put a handfull of crosses in , downing is a left winger who had the best stats for crossing the ball from the left wing , why have these stats gone , maybe because kenny has given him a free role and downing ends up all over the place , the whole team is all over the place , if kenny picked a 4-4-2 formation and picked carrol and suarez up front and keep downing on the left wing and bellamy on the right wing i guarantee downing will put in quality crosses and carrol will start scoring , but because of kenny stubborness he wont do it , we have played 4-4-2 and won with it , and then in the next game he plays on up front and we lose or draw ,,,,,,,,,micky b
Long live the king doing a great job please give him a ten year contract and 200 million to spend, match of the day has never been so good to watch.
With regards to expectation of supporters, when over £100 million has been spent on players, we can expect a better return than we're currently getting..
Loosing Maxi?
I meant Mascherano not Maxi. Sorry
EJ
I believe that Liverpool have psychological issues for many years until now. Body language explains it all even just a goal down, nevermind 2 or 3s.
02 Apr 2012 17:16:00
Ahh that's a shame about the SP piece, I look forward to those. Eds is there anyway you could disable comments on the piece? WelshBoyDave {Ed002's Note - Sadly not. If Steve wishes to repost it I will put it up again and warn the other Eds about the potential comments.}
I agree with ya welshboy dave,
its a shame a few trolls have to spoil it for so many.
hope ya keep posting sp..
keep up the good work ed`s, not easy for at mo.
dbadger...
People can criticise, but I'm baffled about why they seem to be abusive about a long piece that claimed many players cheat and how we should eradicate that.
I suspect it's probably the trolls and flamers with an axe to grind.
Trouble is, I take time to write these each day and could well do something else with them.
Good luck. Nice site. Shame about those class warriors and throwbacks.
Steve Parker x
02 Apr 2012 16:55:53
we need gaston ramirez, hoillet, de jong, vertoghen, isla. those three attackers solves our attack issues and vertoghen and isla solves our deffense as all of these players can play multiple positions. what are your thoughts eds {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
You might need them, but they don't need you
02 Apr 2012 16:54:33
in KING KENNY we TRUST!
wakakakakakaka
In kenny no one trusts
02 Apr 2012 16:38:40
Kenny makes woys signings look good. Poulsen is better then downing because he got 4 assists
Depends who your trying to assist? If Downing was playing the ball into Rooney or say Van Persie do you not think it possible we would be raving about Downing assists.
kidmillions {Ed001's Note - Downing has created the most unconverted goal chances in the Prem, that says it all really!}
We are crying out for a good striker, im sorry to say carroll isnt up to it at all, i just dont know who we could get or who would want to come
02 Apr 2012 16:36:46
Eds, in your opinion, do you think that rather dalglish, comolli or both will get sacked? (if even anyone will get sacked)
Cheers {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get involved in such discussions.}
Kenny is responsible he should be sacked
02 Apr 2012 16:35:04
have we looked at zaha or dempsey? zaha one for the future and dempsey can be put straight into the first team.he is the man we need to finish off the hard work suarez does upfront
02 Apr 2012 16:23:15
what happened to the speculation of last season of commoli wanting to bring in the likes of yann m'villa big strong (holding midfielder) and eden hazard (tricky midfielder) of lille. Looks like kenny had the final say after all. me personally would trust commoli over kennys signings. It was commoli who brought in modric to spurs and look at him now he hardley ever gives the ball away Great Signing for sprurs in my opionion. the players we are being linked with on here are just not good enough for LFC m.phillips and de jong etc...with m'villa and hazard these guys are quality and proven. lets hope commoli has more of a say in future transfer dealings. what do you think Ed's and/or Mac........................ {Ed002's Note - Hazard was not an option turned down by Dalglish.}
M'villa ?? we have lucas
we need a good goal scorer, with all the chances we create a fox in the box type would thrive, if villa go down, darren bent maybe
02 Apr 2012 16:22:48
Ed - can you tell us what happened to the Steve Parker posting from this morning? {Ed002's Note - Unfortunately it was removed after a number of abusive and a number of unacceptable replies.}
02 Apr 2012 16:13:34
Lucas- hated two years ago, now our best player. People just don't learn their lessons
Ernest Redding
U obviously know nothing about football as Lucas is not our best player!! Average at best! Shows how far we have declined over last few years from havin a midfield of Masch and xabi (both class) to Adam and Lucas and people wonder why we are struggling. Liverpool need 1 class centre half right winger left winger new centre mid and a new striker keep Glenn Johnson although people on this site seem to want him out. Until we stop buyin sub standard players mid table is all we can hope for!
Mascherano was pants, a complete liability on the pitch with no passing ability what so ever. His only skills were the ability to tackle and high stamina. Lucas, can pass, cover, mark, tackle has a fantastic workrate and high stamina and is very rarely a timebomb waiting to go off.
Dont know why everyone rates Mascherano at all.
Nevada
You accuse someone of not knowing anything about football then make a statement like that about Lucas, Every team needs a player in that role, which he does very well. And I am sure if he was fit we would be doing a lot better. Ross
What an person claiming that you know nothing about football when it is he/she who is clueless! Lucas played 15 this season, won 9 drawn 3 and lost 3! Steven gerrard has started 10 in the prem this season and won 1, drawn 4 and lost 5 but bet you still love him! Lucas getting injured was where it all went wrong. He is our most influential player, even more so than Suarez! In the time that Mascherano played for us, we had a better record when he wasn't in the team than when he was!
Lucas is amazing, it goes to show how much we're missing him
So mascherano was pants was he? Is that why he plays for barca? And don't give me the 'its because they are short on centre backs' nonsense, we all know he was a top player, and the trio of him, alsonso and gerrard made the best midfield at the time.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Agree with Nevada, Lucas gives a tackle, takes a tackle can play and adapt to any situation. One of the best players in the prem.
kidmillions
Mascherano is and will always be one of the best cdms in the world. There is a reason why barca wanted him. N i dont blame him for forcing the move. We r going nowhere. Why wud be reject a move to the best club in the world?
Indian Buzzer
Yeah mascherano is such a world class DM that he never gets to play in that position. Not every player that ever plays for barca is world class. If he were truly a world class DM then he would dislodge Busquets from that role.
He was made to look good by Alonso, all masch ever did was tackle and pass to alonso, once alonso left masch shortcomings were revealed every week as he constantly gave the ball away after winning it.
Nevada
02 Apr 2012 16:12:59
Impossible is Nothing [Milan vs Liverpool review]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPEmC3vN-bQ&feature=related
Gives me shivers.
YNWA
AJI
Stop living in the past, that was great and all, but we have milked that victory dry, it was 7 years ago!
It's time to live in the present. We have more problems now than our brilliant history can make up for.
Mr controversy
02 Apr 2012 16:32:17
who in your opinion is the best replacement for kenny if he were to leave that is
The groundsmen could do a better job
Roy Hodgson
Louis van gaal. Disciplined on and off the field, one of the total football advocates, can handle the media... Think the Liverpool fans would up their game aswel if they had a person with the character of a van gaal! Worked and taught all over the world
Peter
Spammy lee
I say this seriously, Martinez
He is an intelligent man with a good football brain, he just has toss all to work with at wigan. given a good squad and budget and our spanish influences, he would be an underdog, but gets my vote.
however, kenny is the man in the hotseat for now, and that should be the main focus
Mr controversy
ME
gaz foster
02 Apr 2012 16:30:36
Ed001, sounds like you describing Downing? ;-)
Could have saved 20m and paid Ince a bit more! lol {Ed001's Note - Downing just lacks confidence, he is very much a confidence player, without it he is only half the player.}
I see what youre saying ed but in my opinion players should be assessed before joining and if its thought that they will be very patchy then they shouldnt be bought.
The fact that a club of liverpools stature are willing to pay 20m for his services should show massive amounts of confidence in downing.
Nevada
Whos the best winger in the league ?? nani maybe, he also goes through patches, all players do
Valencia is the best winger in the PL, a strikers dream. I have a lot of respect for him.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
I dont think Nani is united standard and I certainly wouldnt have him at liverpool.
All I'm saying is that the chance we took on Downing shouldve given him enough confidence to perform. If he constantly needs to be pat on the back then perhaps he was not built for a big club and the pressure that comes with it.
Nevada
02 Apr 2012 16:30:12
Right, I've cooled down now..
I really want to know where are all the Liverpool fans that I'm humbled and privileged to call my brothers/sisters..
I am proud to be a Red - here is a short video to calm the mood:
Lee YNWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTfpn_xsKhE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mate that video is spot on!!
billynwa lets unite boys and girls!
02 Apr 2012 16:04:19
KD is the first to say that no one is bigger than the club. That includes every fan, Player and manager. If he feels that he has taken them as far as he can then he will make that decision himself and resign...he is that sort of man I think. Until that point, he has my full backing. The players need to look into the mirror this season......we all know the excuses, woodwork, missed penalties, odd ref decisions (that have not evened themselves out over the season if you ask me). Once on the pitch, it is up to them to win the game. Granted people blame KD's signings but what about Gerrard, Carra, Reina etc? None have performed to their previous best. Carra is reaching the end of his career and personally I cannot put blame on him......you can only do what your body will allow. My view is that we wasted his early years playing him at right back and not CB (Houllier). Gerrard just does not have the legs anymore .....can he adapt for a few more years? Does he want to? I see no evidence of that but he is not the same player. We play worse with SG on the pitch than off it in my view...he demands the ball and people kow tow to him too much. Time for the others to step up to the plate.
Give KD a bit more time and we will get there. The game on the pitch is the same. Keep the ball, pass it to your players and score and you will win. Simple.
Iggypop
Give KD a bit more time and we will get there.
-wakakakakakakaka-
Why didnt roy get you r full support?
02 Apr 2012 16:02:07
To me Kenny is a Coward he left the sky sports interview when they told him about the form in the last 6 games. The bigger man would have stood there and given a answer he ran away like a coward when they told him the truth.
Cowardly Custard unsigned post.
kidmillions
Other managers dont even go to interviews (AF) ?,wake up
Muggitzo
Got more agrees then your rubbish posts kidmillions
But a lot more disagrees, still unnamed poster.
KiwiRed
02 Apr 2012 15:59:54
When are FSG going to act when we are in the championship
What is the point in sacking the manager now? We are not going to get a replacement at this time of year, we are better off leaving it until the end of the season and then addressing the issue then. Which is what I think FSG will do? And this is the right thing to do. Ross
There one waiting on the door step now
02 Apr 2012 15:56:12
Which do you think would improve our team the most eds zaha or phillips? {Ed001's Note - Phillips, he has improved his game massively in recent years, Zaha is still the same headless chicken he was when he first burst onto the scene.}
02 Apr 2012 15:55:26
Kenny if you love this club then leave.Now your just staying for the payoff you have no respect from people.You have taken this club so far backwards i cannot see us anywhere near the top 4 for years. The only legacy you will leave at the club would be a man desperately trying to hang on to his job. Why have the board not acted yet he should have been sacked before the coach got back to liverpool . He is the worst manager ive ever seen at liverpool.
The media hate you because you dont know how to speak to them, Your own players are shouting abuse at you rightly so,even your own fans who loved you seem to hate you now. You should leave now while you have the small bit of dignity left.
I Have been a Liverpool fan for over 50yrs and I love Kenny; He'll get it right in the end, were on the right track football wise, we just need a couple of the right players namely a goalscorer and then some of the players getting heavily criticised will become better players as if by Magic? No; just confidence not Magic!
kidmillions
I would imagine that money is one of the last things that motivates KK. If it was money he was after he woul have joined some of the no marks in the media rather than supporting his wife and raising millions for their charities. Take your cynical views elsewhere.
Redpath
Redpath Charity has nothing to do with the s**t job he has done.Its all about money you muppet he would be gone if it was not
Read the posts you nameless plonker. I was replying to the initial post that suggested that KK was waiting for a payoff
Redpath
02 Apr 2012 15:52:45
I did not like the Newcastle fans telling KK that he woul;d be scaked in the morning- so you know we do not conduct our affirs like you GHeordies- getting rid of your managers every season- if we want someone out LEAVE IT TO US TO TELL HIM_ it is none of your business
They were right he should no longer be manager
Its called banter!
They are saying what your fans don't seem to have the minerals to do! you should be thanking and praising those newcastle fans.
JWalk
Just how many managers have ye had in the last 10-15 years ?
Kenny ruined the best Newcastle team in 50 years, so i think they have every right not to like him.
02 Apr 2012 15:52:24
Sorry last post went too early Carroll to me tried his best but doesn't get any service
Dalglish needs to play people in the correct position ,if downing plays on left he can support Enrique and has more chance of getting to the line and delivering crosses for Carroll facing the goal.
Out of curiosity if we had any other manager than kenny would they stil be there
Carroll don't think so? he's not very good is he?
If carroll played for stoke he would be in england team now.
02 Apr 2012 15:50:01
Can somebody please tell me why so many Liverpool fans are calling for Rafa to come back? Ok fair enough, we won the champions league in his first season, but after that, he made some truly abysmal signings, went on a rant before the stoke came in his penultimate season that quite possibly cost us the league, but by far and away the worst thing about his time in charge was the football.. Slow predictable defensive football.. Whatever you say about KK at least we have plated some nice football this season, creating chances that should have been turned to much more goals than we have got. Whoever the man to lead Liverpool forward is, I just dont think its Rafa..
"rafa cost us the league" at least we were in with a chance! now we can't even get fourth....
redkenyan
02 Apr 2012 15:47:53
Gents. Let's look at the team yesterday
Reina did ok until moment of madness and is still one of the best.
Flanagan at fault for second goal and will never be Liverpool quality
Skirtel not as good yesterday as most of season but can be excused an average game
Cara a true legend but sadly past his sell by date
e
Enrique good season but let down by team setup yesterday no cover on left hand side
Shelvey did ok not bad not good but in all fairness first run out in ages
Spearing Liverpool thru and thru but simply not good enough(we used to have alonso. Mascerano and Lucas in that position)
Gerard off the pace yesterday but I can forgive Steve anything
Suarez does some really amazing stuff but very few goals or killer balls
Bellamy not a good day yesterday
carrol
'Flanagan..will never be Liverpool quality'
That's just harsh on a 19 year old - unproven at a very difficult time at LFC. {Ed002's Note - He is young and still learning. He needs to be given time. I can guarantee if Sterling and Suso started a game and played badly you would see the same "he will never be Liverpool quality" type of posts. In most cases players are in their 20s by the time they settle in to the first team. There are always exceptions but the expectations the fans are placing on these players will not help matters at all.}
Agree Flanagan will never be Liverpool quality, bog standard defender
02 Apr 2012 15:38:15
I believe LFC will sign at least one world class player in the summer like Cavani etc. I think that Kenny will leave and I think the rumours on this page are b****cks as well as the fact that you all think we will sign b rate players.
I'm not being funny mate, but what A rate players did we buy over the last two transfer windows? What makes you think anything will change? Unfortunately we are just not as an attractive prospect a we once were.
When we do sign Cavani, Neymar and Hazard feel free to tell me 'I told you so'.
davethebutcher
Signing B rate players has been wrkn out so well for u lol
What world class player would come to liverpool??????
Another deluded fan
02 Apr 2012 15:37:06
I like Andy Carroll, but i think its time he moved on for his sake and ours. We dont suit his style of play and he certainly doesnt suit ours. Is it any coincidence the barcodes now play a more attractive game this season. Take the 20 million pound hit on him, admit it was a mistake and move on
FowlerisGod
Who would pay £15million for him?
And sell to who?? He is perfect for Stoke but they ain't got £15mil. Can't honestly see anyone else with that kind of money for a battering-ram old school CF, dispite the alledged bid from Spuds just before we bought him.
Sell him on to WestHam if they come up, or any other promoted team with a little cash to splash on one player.
02 Apr 2012 15:34:15
If we had a few quid to spend i'd love to see our team on the start of next season as this...
GK-Pepe Reina
RB-Glen Johnson
CD-Martin Skrtel
CD-Daniel Agger
LB-Leighton Baines
AMR-Arjen Robben
DMC-Javi Martinez
CM-Steven Gerrard
AML-Steven Jovetic
FC-Ezquiel Levezzi
SC-Klass Jan Huntelaar
Bench
GK-Alexander Doni
D-Seb Coates
D-Jose Enrique
M-Lucas Lieva
M-Stewart Downing
M-Jefferson Farfan
F-Lisandro Lopez
What you think Eds...we would definatly finish in the top four with that...who knows, maybe higher.. {Ed001's Note - Baines is not going to come.}
Baines wont come and is still more likely then the others you mentioned and that would cost more then a few quid
LOL!!!
Lol get back to the playstation
Great modern footballers aren't just going to want (or keep) to join Liverpool based on club history forever. True Liverpool is a historic big club, one of the biggest... But how does that help a player over the next few years looking for a new club, when he sees them sitting in 8th place in April? I think this top 4 club entitlement is completely baseless when you look at the current side, sadly.
02 Apr 2012 15:27:47
What is the reality of lakov tekaz deal? Was it a april fool joke? Reply plz ..
INDIAN RED {Ed002's Note - Please read the other posts.}
Lakov Tekaz means 'Lack off tekkers' that was the joke.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Lmao seriously?! Lack off tekkas?
Jezze guys have a day off!
Feel sorry for you eds if this is what you have to deal with...
Jman
Lack of tekkas
not off
lol
02 Apr 2012 15:26:47
since the age of 8 kenny dalglish has been my football hero as a fantastic player for my beloved liverpool. In addition he was a huge success as player/manager between 1985/1991. However during his1st period as manager he had the legendary Bob Paisley upstairs as guidance and with the famous bootroom team of Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans as kenny assistants in helping with coaching and team selections.As Liverpool fans we need to wake up and realise that modern football now is a completely different beast. We are living in our past glories and stood still whilst everyone else have moved on and evolved and changed with the times. . FSG did the right thing by getting rid of hodgson, dalglish was ideal for steadying the ship and doing a great job till may 2011. I had grave doubts when he was employed full time as manager and this has been proved correct. We missed a great opportunity to start afresh by getting a young vibrant coach to rebuild the club to a new era of success long term.
Kenny wasmt famous when he was 8 years old so how was he your idol.
02 Apr 2012 15:19:13
Hi ed could you give rough idea of how much KK has spent less wat sold as people on here reg say its 120/130 mill when its def less plus these players he signed all have current value ,i know its been tough on fans to see club fallin like a stone but honestly think we need to give manager another season plus 2 seasons ago Lucas was subject of much derision now is being named as one of main reason season turned so poor when he got hurt ,imagine if carroll,adam ,and other kenny signings turn it round like he did .My main point is that with wat ever money we get from Aqua,Cole plus sales from this summer kk will in all likley be up money cause suarze has increased in value enough to cover any drop in value of downing,adam and hend so only carroll is a hit to the pocket.I really think players like coates,shlevy,and other young fringe players need to get a chance now league season is as good as over.red2toe {Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as you would expect to calculate expenditure on players. You need to consider the cost of buying players, agent fees, VAT on agent fees, the money from sales, wages spennt, wages saved, wages still being paid for Poulsen, Aquilani, Cole etc., payoffs to El Zhar, Degan, etc.. Most of the fans trashing the owners don't consider these costs in the same way as they do not consider the losses the club are making and who is picking up the tab for those. In real terms, most football fans struggle to understand finances which is why we see many erroneous statements and why I think we should avoid it as much as possible.}
02 Apr 2012 15:15:46
Sami Hypia now in charge at Bayer Leverkusen, along side U19's coach Sascha Lewandowski.
Good Luck Sami YNWA.
PIDDY
This is old news your a day too late
02 Apr 2012 14:39:29
In the summer i want to see Didie Deshamp as a coach,and some of this players(A.Dominguez,J.Martinez,Hazard,Giroud,Zaha-100-120milion euros ) I want also to sell this players(Aurelio,Maxi,Poulsen,Aquilani,Cole,Adam,Bellamy,Kuyt-30-40 million euros)
I take it your a blind fella?
Jog on there lad..... Thats a good boy :)
Speeds
02 Apr 2012 14:38:35
Kenny needs another season, if not two. We are playing attacking football, but confidence is low .
We can just not score. No manager can turn it around in one season,
Some of the best managers have taken time'
Going by what some fans want. Shanks would have been out the door in no time. Him in charge of man u would have gone after two seasons. There are plenty of others .
Give him time. Get behind him and the team. Cos at moment with some of the fans, they are walking alone.
Kenny should be banned from the training ground we might see an improvement then
Shanks would have been out the door in no time
Sorry, sorry, sorry did not read your post carefully - jumped to conclusions - like everyone else on edge p*ssed off and looking for trouble. I hold my head in shame.
Give him a 10 year contract. He's doing brilliantly
02 Apr 2012 14:37:07
A few days ago, I presented a scenario to mull over. Losing at Newcastle, which I said I thought would happen, and it has. I also said Everton could knock us out of the FAC, and finish higher than us in the league. Well they are already above us now, and who really thinks we will beat a team full of spirit & fight in the semis, when we seem to have lost all ours.
Maybe we think we will just be able to switch it back on come 14th April - that is just so unlikely.
I am a fan whose whole weekend is ruined when Liverpool lose, even though it is happening so often now, it's getting no easier to take.
Maybe the person who called me a pillock has his head buried in the sand, because it doesn't matter how much you support a team, there is still room for honesty, and the fact is IN MY OPINION, that it does not matter who we play I am always so nervous, because right now any one can beat us. 18 points lost out of the last 21 is a total disgrace.
No excuses for it except to say we are what we are right now - at best a mid table side. This will also have a big impact on attracting top class players, and holding on to the 1 or maybe 2 that we already have.
We need to win every game from now till the end of the deason to make me feel better.
What's the odds on that happening ?
KBL
WE battered Everton only a few weeks ago and WILL raise our game for the cup. Why? Because it is all the lads have to play for.
If there's one thing that most people on here don't like, it's other peoples opinions.
davethebutcher
I am a fan of more than 40 years. I have seen plenty of ups and downs. I am loyal and faithful and stand by my team and hate it when they lose.
However my weekend is not 'ruined' when we lose. I don't like it , but it is a game! Try facing every day with two of your family having incurable cancer, then that will put it into perspective! Amazingly, those two very ill people (one of whom is a red) are positive and count their blessings and don't waste their lives with negative feelings.
Sad as I am when Liverpool lose, I still get pleasure from being a fan and I think we should all remember that whatever Shanks said, it isn't a matter of life and death however fed up we feel.
02 Apr 2012 14:34:27
Toon fan here in peace. Can i just say i watched the worst Liverpool team in years get well beaten off Newcastle on sunday. Carroll - is a battering ram, why pay 35m for him and try to change his game? Henderson - was an overated midfielder at S***erland and you paid 16m for him. Downing - has one good game every 10 and you pay 20m for him. Adam - 9m? 8.5m overpriced. Dalglish left Liverpool first time around because team was old and left Souness to get hammered for trying to bring the age down. Dalglish ripped apart Keegans entertainers and replaced them with plodders and sued us when we kicked him out of town. Dalglish went to his first love, celtic, and cocked up big time and also sued them for kicking him out. Dalglish won the premier league with Blackburn when they were only club with money. A legend as a player for Liverpool fc but as a manager? A fake who is out of touch with the modern day game. Liverpool are way behing the Top 5 and now it looks like ourselves s***erland,everton etc are catching and passing you. Past glories mean nothing now and personnaly i think it will be years before you challenge the top clubs in the league on a constant basis. New manager,new coaches,new scouting system all needed now i would think. No abuse please,only my views as an outsider and would like to read the views of you liverpool fans. Cheers. ToonLoyal
Ur spot on. Liverpool is too obsessed with past glories, n that is what is leading to the club's fall.
Indian Buzzer
I think I have to agree. Obviously something has gone terribly wrong and I think the buck has to stop with Kenny and perhaps the coaches too.
Adam
I think you are talking a lot of sense. Kenny is rightly a God at Anfield but that is more to do with his time as a player and his behaviour in the wake of Hillsbrough than it is his management skills. As you say during his first stint he let an ageing squad of his old teammates grow old together and left a major rebuilding task for Souness. Souness talked to the S*n which won him no favours on Merseyside and he therefore took more of the rap for Liverpool's decline than he probably should have. I love Kenny and this there will always be a job for him at Anfield, but not on the training pitch, in the dugout or scouting players. He needs to step aside.
Where I disagree with you is our assessment of our future. We have some of the greatest youth talent in the World game. Unfortunately we have not had a manager (Kenny, Rafa or Woy) who know how to introduce these youngsters into the first team. Gerard used to do this fairly well. Unfortunately FSG let Kenny blow a lot of money last summer so I think they need to find someone who will buy wiseley and use the likes of Sterling, Suso & Coady giving them experience so by the end of next season they can be first team regulars. I think AVB maybe the right man for the job - after all he has his reputation to rebuild.
Bob
Of course no manager is perfect, but I think your assessment is unfairly harsh.
KK had six very successful years at LFC, and six years can't be a fluke- he brought in talent like Beardsley and Barnes, and outplayed every team in the league- he built and managed one the greatest LFC sides ever.
I would agree that he is too stubborn and set in his beliefs though.
He did rely too much on old players, didn't have enough of a youth-integration policy the way Fergie does in bringing on new younger players, but that's changing.
And remember, if we are saying it's results that matter, he took Newcastle to second place- something no manager's done since with either of our teams, except Rafa.
You have to remember big Andy wasn't all down to KK- he was our third choice striker buy at a desperate time last year. The others he bought all looked great at their clubs, Adam and Downing included. Spurs wanted Adam too.
He favours British players too much for my liking, and we don't have enough guile and skill in the side, but tactics wise, the lads have still outplayed all the top sides and beaten most of them this season- its just that they can't keep it going past 20 minutes at the moment. I see that as a mental issue mostly.
I feel sure KK will turn it around very soon- I just hope to God he doesn't start thinking his judgement on players or tactics is infallible. One thing age shouldve taught him is that he should be more flexible.
Did dalglish not move on after the nightmare that was hillsborough, things were goin good before that!
billynwa
I think KK will go in the Summer imo, the post about says it all ,god like ,FSG are no mugs
Muggitzo
02 Apr 2012 14:27:57
One thing that really annoyed me yesterday was the Sky Sports commentator Alan Parry (a supposed Liverpool fan) right from the first minute talking doom and gloom about Liverpool. I realise you have to be balanced but it really bugged me. There is definately an agenda against Liverpool on Sky and in the press, especailly since the Suarez affair, almost bullying against Kenny in fact trying to provoke him into saying something.
Cancel sky mate i did and feel a lot better for it and my pocket.
Maybe the Liverpool players can wear t shirts before kick off against Villa to show their dislike for this atrocious bullying by sky on poor Kenny....its a disgrace ! ha ha
You are sounding like your pathetic manager making excuses.
Devil Dust.
They should protest with get well soon perch t shirts.
Or dont be so THICK Reina t-shirts
A few years ago when Mick Mccarthy was in charge at sunderland he got bullied more than any manager in history by sky when his teams were under performing. Sky dont have an agenda its just paranoia
Nevada
02 Apr 2012 14:27:10
Looks to me like Kenny's lost the dressing room, once that happens it's game over. Let him try for the FA cup and see out the rest of the season and say our goodbyes. Thanks for the effort.
He does not deserve 1 more hour in the job he is the worst liverpool manager in 60 years. win percentage 17% USELESS
I have to say, it does look that way.
Ozone
I think he lost the dressing room a while ago. Hence our results all season.
Sad to say yes .
Muggitzo
02 Apr 2012 14:19:32
players also!remember! Heads went down easy-disgrace-seething with them.Hope some read these forumns
02 Apr 2012 14:16:39
ed do you think rodolfo borrell could be in with a shout for the managers position if kenny is moved upstairs. cheers ed!
JF LFC {Ed002's Note - I don't know - his expertise appears to be with youth.}
But ed didnt he leave Barcelona because they appointed Guardiola as Manager when he was the real brains behind what is now the touted as the greatest team in the world.
So I believe he would make an excellent manager I know alot of players say he is the best coach they have ever had and when you read the list these are great players.He knew Fabregas was so special he hid him from other scouts so as no one could view him but Barcelona hierarchy made it clear he was out the door.So knowing this he then alerted top scouts to come view him and he became Arsenal captain and is now back there.
I said before kenny was appointed (still a good move in my eyes could have been worse is all).That Borrello should be moved up as he is the best person to spot talent for the team and with his contacts throughout europe would be able to attract good players.
This is a great shout by the original poster and I do hope that if Kenny is replaced we look at someone who technically is a football genius oh and I hope Steve Clarke remains as well because he has done a stirling job since Mr Lee left who im sorry I just couldnt take seriously.
Red tinted glasses
You may have had a point until the STeve Clarke bit
Steve Clarke is leaps and bounds better than sammy lee lad.
Red tinted glasses
I think that is a great shout RTG, All the players know him,no one to pay off for getting him and as you say was the brains behind the way Barca play now !!!!!!
Baz F
Great shout mate and we already have him
Muggitzo
02 Apr 2012 14:15:13
it feels like the chelsea page . sack the manager is not the ans . a top striker , a right winger and a powerfull cb to add to squad , give daglish some time . i wasnt happy with him getting the job but now he has it he deserves our support . andy deserves it too although yesterday was a bad day for him . support your team simple
...and since Chelsea have sacked their manager they have won all their games and possibly could win the champs league....... Time for Rodolfo to step up and take charge of the first team Ithink lol
If that's the case why didn't we buy these players in Jan ? Kenny said he was happy with the players he has ! So whose fault is that ?
Baz F
Our club does not have the courage to do something like appoint Rodolfo. More likely we will get Evans, Houllier, or Rafa.
That is why we are in the state we are in.
You dont think that he might need a bit more experience to manage one of the most successful teams in the world
Nevada
02 Apr 2012 14:14:55
The case against avb:
Chelsea were half decent before he arrived; he came in and they were sh*te; he's now gone and they look half decent again...
Case closed, durrrrrr
Peter
02 Apr 2012 14:14:53
Just been thinking recently.
There has been talk of Kenny Out etc due to our poor form but what about the scouting department that had a massive part to play in signing the likes of Adam, Henderson, Carroll etc. Most notably Camolli. I jut want your opinion on him because I do not expect him to leave. But he did recommend Ramos for Tottenham (worst manager ever?) and he played a massive role in Jol leaving (as good as Redknapp IMO).
Cheers
GJ
Commolli is rubbish...worse move in Liverpool history as he was part of the blame to bring all these talentless players in :)
His signings were Suarez, and Henderson, and enrique. If you ask me: those are great signings. Henderson is 20! And captin on the u20s. Give him 3 years. Comolli is responsible for creating the spuds. He signed modric, bale, van set vaart. All his signings.
02 Apr 2012 13:47:33
Ok, so I've had time to think objectively after the obvious disappointment of another defeat, and after the initial knee jerk reaction of 'we're crap!', unfortunately it is very obvious we are scarily short all over the pitch.
We don't have any goals in us. If you don't score you don't win games.
Gerrard is playing far too deep.
Also, the is a serious lack of quality.
Henderson, I hate to admit is very average.
Adam, has shown very little in terms of offensive play, some nice passing at times. But injured for who knows how long now?
We have no width and yet we have Downing in the team - nothing on the right at all to play an expansive game.
Enrique looks overplayed and jaded.
Shelvey needs a season on loan, in and out of the team making brief appearances and regular mistakes is not helping him at all.
Reina, has been ropey to be fair, and his frustration on Sunday resulted in him now missing the semi with Everton, our most important game of the season so far.
I think there is real positives to be taken from Agger and Skyrtel, also Coates who I think will adapt in time, but consistency and fitness is alway an issue for the excellent Agger.
Suarez desperately needs a world class striker to link up with.
By anyones standards, no matter how hard you work a striker who doesnt score goals is no good to anyone. Carroll needs to start finding the net before the season draws to a miserable conclusion if he is to have a serious future at Anfield.
It is very disappointing, I'm sure I'm not the only bloke with a shed load of Manc mates who are loving every second of this, and reminding me daily of our poor form.
The problem is there is no short term fix, the squad needs an overhaul, this cannot be achieved in one window, so how long must we endure the mediocre?
Well the answer - as long as it takes.
Kez
I think that jonjo deserves to start every game now he has quality and he needs the games at the highest level to be the best player possible
We bought a load of players in the summer,all have been average at best,and didn't bother in January and we still need an overhaul !!
Baz F
02 Apr 2012 13:43:21
i think if kenny does leave then we should get Rudi Garcia lille OSC's manager
He plays some good football and could persuade hazard to come to liverpool {Ed002's Note - Hazard will not be moving to Liverpool.}
02 Apr 2012 13:41:06
So, on the last twelve games we should sit in 19th, above Wolves, below everyone else. Everyone is telling me Dalglish needs more time, what more time to spend £20m on a basically untested cm. More time to spend £35m on a lad who apparently is unwilling to score against his previous side, why else dive. Bare in mind Benitez spent £20m on a cm that didnt work out, it was a turning point in his demise. Why did we pay £20m on henderson whilst Van Der Vaart was bought for £8m? Why did we pay £20m for Downing whilst United got Young for £16m, why are we paying £35m for a striker with one decent seaspn under his belt when Adebayor is on loan, Aguero was £39m, and this Papis Cisse was £6m?
Any other manager would be gone, we are going to finish in our worst league position for years and many fans wont bat an eyelid, they will say that were at Wembley twice in a year. Look at recent winners of the cuos, Birmingham (relegated), Portsmouth (verge of administration, again), and were glad to be in the same category? Cups are good yes, but we dont wanna be a cup team, we are Anfield and we want the league and im sorry to say it but we have more chance of winning La Liga than the Prem with Dalglish at the helm. He does not have the transfer nouse nor the tactical guille that is needed for us to push for the title.
Iv been saying it for months, get ya heads out of Dalglishes arse, he makes the same excuse every game, it is not good enough. Hodgson may have brought Konchesky but he was cheap, you need to ask more questions when £20 and £35m are spent and yet were skiing backwards?
Anfield Andy
At last,very well put mate
Don't blame Kenny. This is what you get with American owners and econometric economic business principles applied to a sport.
Ozone
Its never Kennys fault is it?
Are you serious? This fiasco is the owners' fault?
They bought the players, select the team, decide tactics, and motivate the players, do they? All by text from Boston?
Deluded does not begin to describe this comment.
What do you mean thats what you get with American owners?
Dalglish told them who his targets were and they backed him to the hilt to get them, and they have also continued the push for the stadium whilst negotiating the largest sponsorship deal in our history.
You cannot say that it is there economic fault when they have invested well over £100m in 18 months to a manager who constantly moans about luck, 1 or 2 games is unlucky, but 2/3rds of the season is not just luck.
Anfield Andy
02 Apr 2012 13:38:41
in reply to - "Shanks took time to build a great team" - he took 18 months to get us out of Division 2 and another 18 months to win the First Division Championship - KD has had his first eighteen months - do you think he deserves more?
Yes he deserves more time - there is no instant fix
ash240970
It was obvious to anyone that all the mid-table players he signed in the summer would make Liverpool a mid-table team, If a Player is British or Irish it means he has no touch or class 90% of the time, Adam is fat, slow and his set pieces are rubbish, Hendo has potential but doesnt show it enough, Downing is a ghost, Carroll needs service but gets nothing and is expected to feed off scraps, Suarez is frustrated with the poor football going on around him, Spearing will NEVER be a top footballer when everyone aspect of his play needs work, it goes on and on. They sold a talented player in Merieles for no reason for f*** sake Joe Cole would be a better option then most. They need a proper current manager that can attract decent footballers, I would take the whol transfer kitty and give it to Rafa with an apology and beg him to take the reigns, All respect to Kenny for whats he has done but he cant spot talent anymore and cant but his leadership on the pitch
Pisssss off with this Rafa theme.....NEVER GO BACK it hasnt worked with Keeny and it wont work with Rafa... 2 years ago you wanted him out so why go back
Speeds
Most certainly does not deserve more time. Can anyone honestly see a light at the end of the tunnel with with KD or more of the same? Doesn't matter if it takes time for things to get fixed it also takes time for them to f***ed beyond repair.
02 Apr 2012 13:38:26
Three defeats on the bounce, 2 poor performances is not good and certainly not acceptable for LFC. Yet again a clear decision goes against us which could have changed the shape of the game (handball on the line) but I fear this only masks what I seen yesterday.
As you know I am firmly behind KK and have been since he was appointed. I still believe he is the right man but I fear time, or lack of it from the fans/owners, will show this not to be the case. The one thing that stood out yesterday for me was a clear lack of leadership and drive from the players. Once we went a goal down you knew we were never going to drag ourselves back into the game.
People beat on about the leaders on the pitch, Carra? unfortunately for a truely fantastic servant to the club he is costing us goals almost nearly every game and his time has come. Reina, is it me or has he gone backwards this season? Yet another header conceeded in the six yard box, surely his domain?
Stevie, it's between KK and Stevie for my best ever player in a red shirt and as fantastic as he has been for us, there's no doubting the games he has won almost single handed, I don't see a Souness, Emlyn Hughes, Tommy Smith type character to drive us on in games like this. I fully expect this will be contraversal point, but I add it's my opinion and only mine.
Yes we were missing 3/4 players yesterday but that is no reason to accept the result the way we did. Performances like that are simply not acceptable. I fear the pressure on Kenny is growing to a level were only one outcome is clear, and that is either he will walk or the club will act to remove him.
There were times yesterday and in previous games were players are making simple basic errors in possession, selecting the wrong pass, giving the ball away or simply dribbling into dead ends. This cannot be the managers fault, this is the PLAYERS fault. Yes KK picks them but they are grown men and should be able to make the right decision when confronted with one to make.
I really don't know were we go from here, sacking another manager would mean 4, including the new man, in just on 3 years. Our club was built on stability, this will not be the case if we take this route. It may take a flukey win to set us off again, it may take a public berating of the players from one of the management, although this normally has an adverse effect and wrecks moral even more to rescue our season. Whatever it takes I hope it comes along quickly and we can again see some of the football we played early season.
As I mentioned as the start of this post, I stand firmly behind KK, through the highs and lows, whatever comes our way. I just hope for our sake and more importantly for a true living legend his, that the highs begin to return soon.....T-Mac
I agree with your point regarding Gerrard TMac, it's no coincidence that we played our best football at the start of the season when he was out injured. I've always expressed concerns over his leadership skills, as you rightly point out, he is no Souness or Smith he is more of a sulker when things are going wrong.
As for Carra, well if he respects the club he should retire himself as his situation is becoming a laughing stock. As soon as I saw his name on the team sheet yesterday, I knew the writing was on the wall. We sit too deep when he plays, no high line and we invite trouble.
In fact, I would go as far to say that Carragher and Gerrard are Liverpools version of Terry and Lampard.
I watched the game on tele when I got back from the match last night. During the Reina debacle, when Kenny came on the pitch, it appeared as though Gerrard was arguing with him.
Kenny's problems lie with Carra and Gerrard, they need to go. We need a leader in the middle, pace down the right and a goalscorer
02 Apr 2012 13:37:42
Any player who wants to play for shirt at least deserves us to be patient and give them the time to prove their worth.
Carroll for all the world yesterday looked like he wanted to be a million miles away in any other jersey in the world. That is a clear indication that it's time to accept his failure and move him on.
At least criticised players like Adam, Henderson and Downing all look like they want to play for us, look like they are trying and wanting to win games for us. They can stay, at least their heart is in the right place. Those are the players we can work with, Mr Carroll has no desire.
I've supported Carroll thick and thin up to this point, as you all know, but the time has come after yesterdays all time low, that his days in a LFC jersey are surely numbered now without doubt
Mr controversy
02 Apr 2012 13:36:29
We all live in the past so much at LFC,club,fans the lot
HHate to say it but it's a happier place to live at the moment! JimK
02 Apr 2012 13:34:11
Dear Oh Dear Liverpool Fans!
I would say I come in peace but to be honest I don't really care.
I am an Arsenal fan, and I have to say that being ahead of you in our worst season ever is a beautiful thing. Being ahead of you when you have spent more in 12 months than we have in about 4 years is also beautiful. However, I am feeling a lot of disdain for your club right now and I don't know why. I can be quite a fickle fan sometimes and sometimes I will hate a team and sometimes I will like a team - e.g. Newcastle. It depends on the players, the nature of the the team, the manager, the club ethos etc etc.
I might not feel so smug if LFC wasn't such an arrogant club. I mean, there's little club ethos, you don't have a specific 'style' that defines you, you certainly have no transfer or wage ethos to try and work by.
But I can't understand your club. You've sold Kyrgiakos and Torres. The only reason Gerrard's still at the club is because if he leaves he probably isn't safe. Reina nearly came to us two seasons ago for £20m (thank god he didn't) but thankfully Gazidis botched that one. You also sold Meireles to Chelsea. I mean, for all your boasting, the talk of your damn HISTORY and all your chat about Arsenal are a feeder club, it's funny watching your best players get sick of the shirt. I bumped into Meireles in the summer when I was in Liverpool, he told me he was leaving but wouldn't say where, and when I asked why, you know what he did? He shrugged, winked at me, and said 'tell me a reason to stay at this club' with a cheeky grin. It was an interesting moment put it that way.
I think the thing that gets me the most though is not even your chronic inability to spend wisely, but what's become of the players you signed:
1) Suarez : was electric when he came. Since, he has steadily embarrassed the club and fans, made a mockery of the shirt, has upped his diving, been involved in scandal, and this season he can't hit a barn door.
2) Downing: was incredible at Villa, earned a move to a bigger club. Flatters to deceive now, he can run, pass and cross all he wants but he is statistically one of the worst wingers in the league now. He's like Ramsey.
3) Henderson: was onto something very big at Sunderland and really should have stayed there. How on earth anyone persuaded this kid that a move to Liverpool was a good idea when they had nothing going for them except the name is anyone's guess - the power of the agent. Still, you offered stupid money and now look, a total flop.
4) Adam: hasn't been as big a flop as people like to make out, he can be a dangerous player, however, where are his goals? Where's his 'mercurial' left foot you lot all banged on about? Where are his free kicks? He was way better at Blackpool. As a fan watching other team's players, the one thing you want to see is players playing as well as they can. KK has managed to make every player play off form. How?
5) Carroll: this kid was IMMENSE at Newcastle. You paid more for him than any other player, and have since simply not bothered to truly accommodate him. Your entire footballing style should be about supplying him, and it isn't. That's poor. You don't spend 35 million on someone with his talent and watch get more and more unfit, low on confidence, and under pressure. That's how you ruin someone's career. This guy should be beasting it for England.
6) Maxi has been one of your best players this season yet he spends most of his life on the bench. Nuff said.
On paper you have a fantastic squad, no doubt, but you've been in relegation form since xmas nearly. And I have to say, from a distance, it really is great to see. Because I'm sick of walking through Liverpool and having to weather taxi drivers' awful chat about how effing great Liverpool are and then only back it up with historical dates.
I hope in the summer you sell Carroll to a team who makes the effort to play him the way he needs to be played. I hope Reina leaves too.
You are not just an Arsenal fan - you're an arse 'n all! Arsenal are above Liverpool in the League - that is all that should concern you.
DM2012
I hope you get relegated next season
How long since you won a trophy??
Thing is objectively I agree with everything this lad says they were greats at their respective clubs come to Liverpool and ?
Red tinted glasses
What position would Arsenal be in the Premier with out Van Persie's goals.
Better still if you had Carroll this season and we had Van Persie? What then?
Van Persie has single handedly saved your season and Manager. So don't go thinking your better than us! Your one more Summer Transfer away from disaster.
I met Van Persie a couple weeks ago at Anfield. I asked him where did he think he would be playing next season? " He just smiled and said he was learning Spanish."
kidmillions
Funny, he's probably one of those "Arsenal" fans who called for AW to be sacked less than six weeks ago. Do yourself a favour mate worry about your own team and their complete lack of success, what is it 7 years and counting? Also don't reply with Champions League qualification becuase you get nothing for that unless you WIN it.
You appear to know more about our team than I could ever know about your team. However a few names I do recall who couldn't wait to get away from your club, Ade, Cesc, Nasri, GC, even TH couldn't wait to get out.......don't fret yourself about us mate look closer to home!....T-Mac
That was a great post mate. Agree with everything u said. Liverpool fans are living in the past as usual.
Worst part is that this gooner, albeit oblivious of their own problems, actually makes a few coherent and valid points as to our own
There are no hiding our issues, they are plain to see, we'll deal with them, and don't need your input though thanks. It will be a delightful day when van Persie signs off to another club though, then you will be stripped bare of your superficial club.
Don't flatter yourselves though, I'm sure wenger has another superstar in his trusty youth system to sell on before he gets the chance to win you anything
Mr controversy
02 Apr 2012 13:30:00
Well another game and yet another disappointment but i fail to see how losing away to Newcastle causes more of an upset than losing at home to Wigan last week.
Now a lot of posters on here have been suggesting new managers the first name to pop up was Rafa, a fair enough shout he's out of work (for a reason) loves the club but, and its a big but, its because of him and a lot of his signings in the past that Kenny has had to try and totally rebuild the squad, so for me Rafa is a very easy no.
Next was Jose's name, a very successful and will no doubt win things where ever he goes, however look at Chelsea now, arguable not his fault that the squad hasn't been refreshed over the years but the same applies to Inter once he left the club slipped from title contenders to top 4 at best. The point is he'll win things but at a cost. And that's not to mention he is at arguably the biggest club in the world at the top of their league why would he trade all that in to join us?
And finally Brendan Rodgers, seems to be a good manager but its Swansea's first season in the league i remember Reading and Hull came up and did fantastic in their first season but fell away after that. Maybe he's different and could become a great manager but for now it just seems like a risk, could turn out like Hodgson.
My choice is let Kenny see out his contract and review after that, now i know that's not a popular choice but its mine.
always a red
It causes upset mate because for one, I shelled out over £200 going to watch that rubbish.
And, two, Newcastle away, to me, is always a barometer of you're team. A good team will usually win there or at least get a point. But you're in trouble when you come away beaten and don't even net one.
Not The Real Ken Dodd
I do the jokes around here !
Not The Real Ken Dodd
02 Apr 2012 13:16:08
Honestly, what did you guys expect? You bought average players and got average performances and results. You bought players with no motivation, i meam most of your purchases are from mid table or lower teams and you expect them to have the drive to play for Ethe PL championship? I don't blame the players. Liverpool should have purchased players from abroad or proven talent - there are many players who would have improved your team. Start preparing for the 2013/14 EPL. I hope you guys manage to arrest the slide as it would be a shame to see such a great club in the relegation zone. I have a feeling that next year is your year!
Passerby
That's exactly what we are doing, this season is just to bed players in, let some of our amazing young players a bit more time to develop, ship out anyone who can't hack it, bring in a couple in the Summer and while were doing all this ? Win a couple of Cups. Can't say fairer than that can we.
kidmillions
02 Apr 2012 13:09:41
Jose Mourinho for manager
I'd rather have one of The Diddymen than him.
Not The Real Ken Dodd {Ed002's Note - That'll be AVB then? Noting that I had to look the Diddymen up. So Ken Doidd was more than just a tacky crooner.}
There's enough Legend Bashing on here, without you starting on the Great Ken Dodd ed002.
Don't even go there.
Or you will end up with a 20 year sentence down The Jam Butty Mines !
Not The Real Ken Dodd {Ed002's Note - I had some vague recollection from teh 60s about Ken Dodd and his crooning - but until recently the Diddymen eluded me altogether.}
And I suppose you've never heard of Dicky Mint either ed ?
Not The Real Ken Dodd {Ed002's Note - I understand it is a condom brand.}
02 Apr 2012 12:37:23
Was that right, what Carroll said to Kenny when he ran off - "you know f all" ?
I'm hearing some disturbing things about the team's togetherness (or lack of it) ?
Not The Real Ken Dodd
02 Apr 2012 12:34:45
It might be a good thing that Carroll's getting angry now. He hasn't been his usual aggressive self since he joined Liverpool and I reckon that's why the goals have dried up.
Maybe with this refound warrior mentality, defenders will start to fear him again.
The lad returns.
Warrior ? Oh god ,you lot are UNBELIEVABLE
Yes next week Carroll will rip off his shirt go green and clog around
Ha, ha.
As much a warrior as sponge bob squarepants, come on AC is a f**king joke.
He was probably more upset as he realised that Newcastle had replaced him with a better striker, and he is no longer the 'darling' of toontown.
Even more reason to punish them then
Not surprised he has the hump tbh you buy a brick s**t house of a bloke 8 feet tall then you expect him to run the channels and play intricate one two's, you should try giving him crosses to go for you can't cross the ball
Pardoe
02 Apr 2012 12:31:40
There is only one man who can but this great club back to where it needs to be and that is jose mouriniho love him or hate he is a fantastic manager and won things wherever he's been,fsg need to pull out all the stops to get this man,I love kk for everything he's done for the club as player and manager but he's not the man to take us forward i have to admit in all my years supporting this club and yes i am a season ticket holder this is the worst liverpool team i've seen in the last 30 years.
Calling for Mourinho is absolutely ridiculous.
Ell.
Do you seriously think Mourinho would be interested i managing mediocre mid-table team going nowhere?
02 Apr 2012 12:30:10
I think everyone needs to calm down!
We have a few temporary problems that is affecting the team and someone else said it in one of the replies below....We are distrated by the upcoming semi-final. The players can't seem to concentrate because they are thinking about a potential FA Cup Final.
Yes some of the managerial decisions seem daft but we have to wait to see how the team performs against an in-form Everton. If we get well beaten by Everton, then i think Kenny will hand in his resignation. He is Liverpool through and through and knows when thinks have run their course.
I really hope Kenny can turn this slump round because i believe he's right for the job in the short-medium term. Lets get behind the team and pray Kenny can get them ticking against Everton. Wembley here we come!
Mike in Leeds
02 Apr 2012 12:29:21
Goalkeeper Pepe Reina will miss Liverpool's FA Cup semi-final with Everton after the club admitted they had no grounds to lodge an appeal over his red card, reports the Liverpool Echo.
02 Apr 2012 12:26:20
my thoughts:
1. Kenny will be given until the end of the season. Until then we should support him.
2. Brendan Rodgers and the likes should not be appointed. One good season in the premier league means nothing...remember Owen Coyle at Bolton or Phil Brown at Hull.
3. AVB was my first choice after roy left, but look what he did at chelsea. people like Unai Emerey/Biesla are very tempting but again, it is a risk.
4. Rafa, though not perfect, is my choice. He knows the club and the premier league and he has passion for the club. It would be the least risky of appointments. However, this is only if he agrees to work within the framework/budget of NESV and not air out his dirty linen in public although I'm sure he's learnt his lesson by now.
agree - bring back rafa
disagree -bring in someone else
i don't think there should be a "stick with kenny" button since only 1% of the people would click it!
redkenyan
Personally, I'm eyeing up Didier Deschamps and Laurent Blanc. Not sure how likely either are (and the Utd connection with Blanc is not ideal), but they both seem magnificent, modern, progressive, successful coaches. Rafa failed to win us the Premier League when he had the best squad the club has seen for many, many years (Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, etc)- I think he had his chance, time to look to others.
DP
Well I think ed002 should be next Liverpool manager !
Not The Real Ken Dodd
Blanc is being eyed by Chelsea.
Yes but he made that team on limited budget and complete awareness of talent. Mascherano hardly played for West Ham, Alonso was basically unknown in England and we had two average wingers in Babel and Kuyt [sometimes Benayoun - didn't play enough]. Rafa was great and with some financial backing I believe he can be an amazing manager at this club again. But not right now as I like Kenny and his style of play.
BthekingB
I really don
I really don`t see why people are so stuck on the idea of getting Rafa back. What is the point in going backwards? He was at Liverpool for 6 years, and only won a handful of trophies and never really addressed the underlying issues with the team. He was never to blame for anything, it was always someone else's fault, even thou he spent over 200 million on players, look at what Swansea have achieved and there small budget, rafa seemed more interested in starting arguments with other managers rather than concentrating on why it was going wrong on the pitch for us. Ross
You also got remember the year we finish 2nd man utd had a elite team, thats why rafa didnt win the league, man u were one better.
Ross has got it right. I would never say Benitez was a bad manager- I really did like the bloke and he is talented at his job, but come on, he spent a long time at the helm, surely you can see he took us as far as he was ever going to? There are a plethora of talented managers out there, why must we go back to Benitez? There is a bit of a problem with fans harking for the past, dreaming of Benitez, Torres and Alonso, but times have changed, they've moved on, and we must move on with them.
DP
02 Apr 2012 12:10:42
I have complete faith in Kenny and believe in 3/4 Seasons time he'll bring us back up. It's impossible to do it any sooner.
I do believe though that we need to make signings in the Summer. A guy from work brought up a good point today. Liverpool Football Club, supposedly one of the best football teams in the world... the best they can put out is Shelvey and Spearing? I really like the two of them and believe with experience they'll improve, but for now they're not good enough yet. Not for a team like us. We need to buy (as Macca said) 5 more players, and in my opinion: 2 Strikers, 2 Midfielders, 1 (preferably right) winger.
I believe Kenny will do a good job though. He's competitive, LOVES Liverpool, and is an LFC Legend.
I'm not being funny but if he can't do it, no-one can. I know we've had a poor run, but it can be improved. Remember we'll be in Europe next Season too, thanks to Kenny! He also did all this in 1 Season, and I'm pretty sure didn't get some of the players he wanted.
Give him 2-4 Seasons, and we'll have improved vastly.
Ell.
Another 3/4 seasons of the type of performance we saw on Sunday???
NOT A CHANCE.. Kenny will be gone at the end of the season. You say no one else can get us up to where we belong ,This is talking rubbish there are 2 PL Managers out there now who will do a better job.
Oneill and Rogers. There teams play good football and if given a chance will get LFC playing similar football.
"Competitive, loves Liverpool and is a legend"? What do they have to do with anything? We're on our worse run in 50 years..If KD is to get credit for winning Carling, he has to take responsibility for the failures, not forgetting his shocking record in the transfer market...
To the first reply: Yes, we've had a bad game on Sunday and a bad run of games... but what about our good games? What about beating City and Chelsea in the Carling Cup? What about our 3-1 triumph over United last Season with Suarez on fire? After a few Seasons I believe Kenny will have made better transfers, some players that we are now moaning at will have improved and our team will be better. I also think Kenny will get 'rid of the weak links. And Sunderland and Swansea? Although I agree they're good Managers aren't they the teams that drawn and lost this weekend? Knowing people on this website a lot of fans probably would've gone mad. It's a no win situation in some cases. My main point being: we've had some bad results recently under Kenny, but we've also had some great results thinking to a couple of months back. Just give him time, we're going through a bad spell.
To second reply: You've taken that part completely out of context. Did I say because Kenny loves Liverpool and is a legend makes him an amazing manager? No, I didn't say that, and although I agree that has nothing to do with it, it's great to inspire the team. Yeah we're on a bad run... but it's only a bad run. If it continues next Season then I agree Kenny should go, but for now you've just got to bare the storm, it's nowhere near as bad as people are making out. I agree his transfer market signings were 'unusual', but I believe they were all investment buys. Look at how long they can all play for us! (Maybe other than Downing who's aging compared to the others). We can hang on the them players for years, and now in the Summer I think Kenny will focus on signing good, proven good players.
What can you really expect another Manager to do? It's only 1 man. It's about the players not the Manager. (In most occasions).
I'm not here to argue, but more have a discussion.
Thanks, Ell.
Thanks for replying, Ell...Discussion is all it is. There's no right or wrong, mere opinion. With regards to investment buys, though, with the exception of Enrique,and Suarez (who wasn't really KD's signing), would we really make any money on any of his signings? I don't think so. All managers are judged on both results and the success, or failure, of their signings. I hope in 3 months time I'm eating humble pie, but I can't see any way forward with our present structure..And that includes Comolli...
02 Apr 2012 12:07:03
I'm not going to say he should leave cause he's crap,or say he should stay because he's King Kenny. What I will say,is that Kenny loves the club as much,if not more than even the most die hard fans on here. I honestly believe when he thinks he's doing more damage than good,he'll step down. He's nobodys fool. WelshBoyDave
As I've said all along he will choke and walk away as he always does
Pardoe
For what it's worth, Mark Lawrenson, who knows KD quite well, said that KD wouldn't walk away, so that may lead the owners with a decision to make...
02 Apr 2012 12:00:18
Reina clearly is going to leave in the summer. I've always said Gerrard is not a midfielder, no idea how to dictate a game a la Scholes or Alonso. He should be playing behind Carroll, running onto his knockdowns and linking with Suarez. Carroll gets zero service, what is he supposed to do? Agger is a huge loss, as is Lucas. This diving and whining is abhorrent. Suarez should have been told to cut it out by Kenny upon first joining but Kenny indulged him and now Carroll is at it too.
Despite all of this I'd let Kenny have another year but he has to cull that squad. Too many wimps, not enough men. And buy some wingers and a real midfield general like Roy Keane - we have no leaders in that team.
Hugh Pugh.
Ok out of interest who is like Roy Keane and aren't every team looking for exactly that ,fact is they are rarer than rocking horse s**te
Pardoe
What rubbish! Kenny will be gone in the summer and Carroll should never play another game for Liverpool after yesterdays little hissy fit! Poor player and poor attitude.
Steve
02 Apr 2012 11:58:22
There is a lot on the news about what happened thirty years ago today . Well in LFC terms , thirty years ago today , we played Notts County in a Friday night game at Anfield , beat them 1-0 and went top of the league .
Needless to say , we won the League that season . The goal that night was scored by Kenny Dalglish on the hour .
I got married the next morning at Hale church , my best man came up from London , five years earlier we had seen Dalglish make his debut in the 1977/78 Charity Shield .
I just hope that Kenny returns to legend status by stepping aside from his current role . No-one is bigger than the club .
02 Apr 2012 11:46:05
Hi Eds
Assuming Kenny does leave the managers job. Who would you like to see as the new manager? There's a lot of silly suggestion knocking about Joachim Low or Mourinho.
If we looking to a young manager I'd take a punt on Brendan Rogers. Failing that I'd be happy to see rafa back at the club working with Steve Clarke as I would like to see what he could do with the owners support. Something he didn't have with the other 2 clowns. You?
thanks
RedDan {Ed002's Note - We can speculate when he leaves, but for now I think your support is what he needs.}
Rodgers is flavour of month.You have to get tried and tested
That is what should be said thankyou ed002, sounds like an lfc fan.
hibsylfc
02 apr 2012 11:45:14
everton no1 team in liverpool..
tony soprano
You must be about sixty years old and pleased to finally be able to write something like that!
DM2012
02 Apr 2012 11:44:35
I cannot see a bright future unless kk shows transfer skills this summer. How can we let this happen? Aren't we Liverpool FC? Us fans need to step up and show how we feel
02 Apr 2012 11:41:23
Everyone except for Reina, Kelly, Enrique, Agger, Skrtel,Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez, Coates should be sold and replaced, maybe Downing could have another year. Carragher should do us and the club a favor and step down on his own accord before it's get even more embarrassing. These players mentioned above deserve better. I felt seriously sorry for Reina. Carroll should go where his heart is, which is NUFC, I'm sorry.
HK
You have only kept 9 players so I've added Sterling and Suarez to make up the 11.
..................Reina,
......Skrtel.. Coates..Agger........
Kelly..............................Enrique
.............Gerrard...Lucas.............
.......Suarez..................Sterling..
................Matias Suraez...........
kidmillions
Do you think Newcastle would want Carroll back? I thought Skrtle was crap
normally he is better than that
Pardoe
I don't know if Newcastle would take him back but that's where he would like to be IMO. He didn't want to score against them it seemed. Skrtel was in trouble because he has to cover for Carra. I think he is , (Skrtel) our best player this season.
HK
And who's fault is it we're 4/5 seasons behind? You can't place the total blame on Kenny...
KJS
02 Apr 2012 11:31:08
And I ask all you 'supporters' a question, WHAT exactly does 'You'll Never Walk Alone' mean? I shall not let you clueless mar*ns drag my club into the mud this way. Everyone makes mistakes, maybe the King has made a few as well, but then again, he is King Kenny! The guy's a born winner. I'm sure he knows what he has to do. Give him another year and he'll prove you wrong. Mark my words. Faith!
Furqan.
As a player he is the king but you got to look at him as a manager he is not up to it we need someone in now the players are going against him let him go as the king instead of someone who is taking us down
Dalglish's record as a manager speaks for itself... it isn't very good. The club is the ost important thing, Dalglish remaining at the helm beyond this season would be detrimental to the club and that is unacceptable.
SMc
You,ll never walk alone,what does it mean.a song from carousel,a rogers and hammerstein musical,subsequently covered by variuos artists,then sang by liverpool fc and celtic among others.personally i prefer freebird by lynyrd skynyrd or all along the watch tower by hendrix or that sort stuff,but you wont find me spending my spare time hunting out castles so i can release doves from the parapit or launching a version of the great escape at the tower of london to free those poor persicuted ravens,you prob see where im coming from by now,but i find it amazing that a majority of lfc fans do actually take the words of that song 100% seriously and actually quote the lyrics as some sort of religious commandment as there reason for lambasting other lfc supporters who dare to be critical of the manager or players .only in liverpool LOL
02 Apr 2012 11:15:42
Eds post if you want...
Everyone needs to stop barking that KK should be sacked... The last thing we need right now is a new manager. We need consistency and not just in term of results we need someone who is steadying the ship during a massive change... KK has started a project and i have all faith that NESV have his back because business doesnt confide by the league targets wont be met within 1, 2 or 3 seasons... as we have all noted the Mancs took 6 seasons with Ferguson to build a team and start winning the season before that they finished anywhere down to 9th i believe possible lower. So lets all pipe down, the ship can be steadied by KK and our long term plan needs time to be so. Lets judge KK in 4-5 seasons time only because i believe he can do things better and faster than ferguson
We are already 4/5 seasons behind the top clubs lets make that 9/10 shall we?
I have posted this before you can't change managers every year without a s**ttonne of money to spend. Everyone wants to sell 6 or so players then buy 6 or so more. You think you have another 100m to spend this summer?
Pardoe
02 Apr 2012 11:14:11
Net amount spent on players by Rafa after the Gillette and Hicks take over was £34m (which is considered above average compared to the rest of the competition) in the first year and then the money just stopped. In 08/09, the net amount spent was just £2.4m and in 09/10 a meagre £10,000. I mean, spending £10,000 a season would not have been an issue if the team was already stable with the manager already 5-10 years into the job. This is a team suffering from mediocrity, a relatively new manager with great ideas on board, a club in dire need of change at a crucial part of its life cycle and suddenly there was no fund available to the manager?
In 08/09 when Rafa wanted to bring in Gareth Barry, there were no money in the coffers so what were the option available? At this juncture let us stop a minute and think. Which player would bank in the most money to Liverpool if sold? Steven Gerrard would have made the most but the fans would have revolted. The answer was yes, Xabi Alonso. Even though the deal with Aston Villa did not go through, the damage done to the morale of Xabi Alonso was irreversible. Xabi requested for a transfer and was later sold to Real Madrid for £30m. Maybe some of the players themselves was against the initial plan to sell Xabi and in turn sabotaged by performing badly but a decision had to be made.
SmileyStarz
02 Apr 2012 11:13:37
I feel even worse now that Torres is finding his form!
Red from SA
He scored a goal. Big deal.
02 Apr 2012 11:02:11
Morning All,
Another week, another disappointment. We are in a rough patch and we need someone or something special to happen to snap us out of it. Every single team in the league has rough spells, But I don't believe its our lean spell thats hurting us, I think its only now our profligacy during our good spell is really starting to hurt us. If we had taken the points we deserved during our 'golden' period we would be able to ride this storm out and still be up the top fighting, but we are not. Ultimately during a league campaign you get what you deserve. KK is not going to be relieved of his duties before the end of the season so the only option for us all is to get behind him for the rest of the campaign and hope for the best.
On another note, I have been reading the debates on here with regards to Jay spearings abilities, and wether or not he is any good. I have been paying particular attention to him in recent weeks and in my opinion he is a slightly better version of Poulsen. He is supposedly a DM, but he doesn't actually mark anybody. He constantly positions him in the space between two or more opposition players, then he just runs around in triangles trying to get the ball back but ultimately just runs around in 'circles' achieving very little. He is clearly willing to put his foot in and his body on the line, but he does not have the ability or positional sense to break up the opposition play, which is his purpose. So if he isn't winning the ball back for us, and offers little going forward, I don't see the reason for his inclusion in the team.
Let the debate commence!
Tommy Walsh
Tommy who is Spearings partner you dont mark two players at once so who is meant to be marking the other player then?
Instead of bumbling around playing every position on the pitch other than the one he is meant too.Normally one twos with the striker amd then firing the weakest of shots at the goalie who picks it up and beats it into midfield.
red tinted glasses
I completely agree with your first paragraph. I do genuinely believe we had an unlucky first half to the Season, hitting the post... what was it like 25 times? If we'd have won the games we should have, then there'd be no where near as much tension as there is. We definitely need to be more clinical though, even yesterday when Suarez put a good cross in at the back post, but Bellamy was there instead of Carroll. Carroll is supposed to be our number #1 striker. He should be waiting on the line 24/7, not the edge of the box. However, I do believe he's improving.
I don't know about your second paragraph. I like Spearing, but I've never watched him that closely so I'm not going to agree with what you said, but I also won't disagree.
Good post anyway!
Ell.
Regardless of who is his partner/partners in midfield or wether his partner is marking anybody, from what I've watched, Spearing will position himself in the space between two opposition players. Maybe its because we've not been on top of teams recently, and that others around him aren't doing what they should be, but for me, at the moment he stands out a bit for a few wrong reasons. I'm not doubting his heart or his effort, just his ability at the highest level.
Tommy Walsh
Or maybe Tommy he has too position himself in between two players so he has an equal distance to reach them when one has the ball coz his Midfield partner is still in the box when the ball gets played out on a counter.Does that not make perfect sense to you or should he have the ability to split himself in two and mark both at the same time ya tool.
Obviously you watch Spearing with your pessimistic head on and leave your positive one on for Captain marvel who is destroying us with his inability to have any sort of discipline.
Red tinted glasses
02 Apr 2012 10:56:01
Our poor results stem from the terrible purchases made over the last 16 months. Carol is not worth £10m let alone £35m. Henderson is not worth £16m at this stage of his development. Downing has failed to show he is worth anywhere near £20m and Adam is not good enough to be a first choice player. Whilst KK is partly responsible he not solely to blame for this. Our scouting network needs to be asked some serious questions. Stevie G and Carra are both also looking well past their best by date and Reina has had a poor season. To make progress next season we need a top class midfielder, a right winger and two classy forwards. This would costs close to £100m and I cannot see the owners wanting to spend this kind of money and if they are prepared to will they feel comfortable giving such a sum to KK and the scouting team who have just pissed the best part of £100m down the drain? The alternative is for our scouting network to finally unearth some gems. However given their track record there can be little optimism that they have the ability to do this. All of this means that we are likely to see a new management team this summer. As to who might be suitable I have no idea. Any idea Eds? and I would just add one final thought no matter what, KK is and will always be a legend and will never ever walk alone. Reality Red
02 Apr 2012 10:50:05
FELLOW REDS
Sad day, indeed!! As long as Commolli is at our club making decisions on transfers money will be wasted, wasted, wasted!!!He has not 'found' anyone! What's he being paid for? would someone please enlighten me?
6 defeats in the last 7 would've brought the sack on any manager. We love KK, that goes without mentioning, but his tactics have been naive in a few matches. We should'nt be where we are with the money the owners have spent. I don't trust commolli with money to spend in the summer because I know we'll not get the players we need!!
There's only one man I would welcome back at the helm...and you all know who he is.
A true great coach which with money available to him would win us the LEAGUE, never mind the cup!
ynwa
In few matches? Only once this year I have agreed on the starting eleven. None of our players show heart
02 Apr 2012 10:44:12
I heard two thought provoking things this morning:
1. Talk Sport announced that this is Liverpool's worst run of form in 58 years!
2. My son (10 yrs), brought up a Liverpool fan, casually say's "Dad, there's only two Liverpool fans left in my class". They used to support Liverpool but are now saying that rubbish teams are beating us all the time and so they're going to support someone else.
Now, let me preempt all the obvious responses to this:
1. they're only 10.
2. if they can't support us when we're losing, don't support when we're winning.
3. they're not true fans
All of the above I agree with, however, let me add this...
4. When it comes to Birthday's and Christmas, what shirts are they going to ask for?
Short term, things change in football like a 10 year old change their opinion on which team they support.
But, is this a cause for concern if long term things don't begin to turn around?
Tell your son to keep the faith and when he is old enough to truly appreciate football in all its forms he will know that he made the right decision.Who knows what next season might bring the sheikh might leave city so they have to sell all their assets.United could be taken over by a new alien life force and spend the rest of days in a time loophole a bit like Quantum leap and they find they are playing matches from the past and righting football wrongs.
Red tinted glasses
Interesting post.
It shows just how fickle supporters are, granted they are only 10.
Fact is they are converting to other teams.
So is this a trend to be considered.
Some on this site have proposed a 80K or 90K stadium, so one has to ask 5 or 10 years from now will we be attracting those sorts of crowds.
As much as I would love LFC in a super stadium, there are massive financial risks attached.
LFC must be losing fans 'hand over fist', brand equity and market share will suffer.
A crossroads is rapidly approaching,
1: spend money on a super stadium and hope to win over and convert new fans later.
Or..
2: build a competitive team now, win some of the major titles again, and one can be sure the 'seasonal supporters' will follow.
At the risk of sounding 'old', we all don't LFC to become a club supported by a aging fan base who can only talk about the 'old glory days'.
LFC need to be dynamic, engaging and interactive, focus on 'acquiring and retaining fans' if the club is going to grow, and bridge the gap with the massive divide that has opened between LFC and the super elite of European football.
How this course of action translates into a strategic plan is anyones guess, but time is marching on and we are falling further and further behind..
Concerned Red.
When I was 6 in 1959 in Liverpool I went to watch Everton quite a few times with my mate and his Dad and even with my own Dad who was a Liverpool supporter. Liverpool supporters did in them days go to watch Liverpool one Saturday in the 2nd Division and Everton the next week in the 1st Division, there was no Match of the Day or televised football then if you wanted to see the best payers of the day you had to watch 1st division games.
Anyway in those days my mate and his Dad were always telling me how Great Everton were and how Liverpool were only 2nd Division and hadn't even won the Fa Cup. I never gave in, I just loved Liverpool even though we were'nt as good as them: And by the time I was 12 we were beating Leeds in the Fa Cup Final and the rest is History.
My point is explain to your son that supporting your team is an Unconditional Love and not all about success.
Otherwise I would of been an Evertonian UGH! My mate went on to become the bitterest of bitter blues :)
kidmillions
Get a grip mate.
But kids are very different nowadays.
All are influenced by the media, and friends.
They also pick up on their fathers 'negativity and frustration' about matters.
When they become teenagers they rebel against all that their parents stand for and represent.
Umless LFC are 'radical, hip and happening', winning titles and positively portrayed in the media, websites, blogs, social networks, the club will not be attractive to them.
As much as we 'older fans' remember the great days, and loyalty and love of your team were never questioned, the younger generation are not entrenched with those values, its all about 'brand, trends, and being accepted'.
Let's be honest how many 10 year olds are going to stand up and say I support LFC.
Consider Gerrards and Carrolls response to KK yesterday, the Suarez saga, etc, etc, these are young and impressionable minds.
So I urge all fans (older), be positive about the club, highlight what it has done, and what it stands for, its history, otherwise your sons, daughters,nieces, nephews and grandchildren will move on.
Be positive, constructive, dedicated.
02 Apr 2012 10:31:39
A dissapointing league form no doubt, nothing to lose now, play this famed talent from the academy, let's see liverpools future, maybe pull some positives from that, save the serious stuff for the FA cup, some bigger egos need to realise they are playing dog s*** and please kenny use a formation all the players are used to stop switching things around.
Lfcmatt {Ed002's Note - The reason they are in the Academy is because they are children who are still learning the game. Packing the team with 16 and 17 year olds will result in a fine for the club and possibly damage the confidence of the kids. An occasional cameo for one or two and the chance to travel as part of the first team squad would be good useful experience.}
02 Apr 2012 10:35:08
Beware¦ and essay is coming¦.
Yesterday we imploded, Andy Carroll showed disrespect to KK and the club with his reaction to being substituted, Reina's sending off merely confirmed all is not well in at the club, there is clearly frustration in the ranks.
The KK die-hard supporters need to wake up and smell the coffee, and understand that he as well as the players are responsible for where we are presently, and thus far KK has not found a solution to our current woes. The fans who want KK out also need to understand that he is not solely responsible, KK is not the one on the pitch not performing.
KK talks of the progress made at the club when looking at the bigger picture. Compared to last season, we are in a better position off the pitch. We will have a bigger revenue stream through our new deal with Warrior, a tour to North America to attract a newer fan base, and most importantly we have a set of owners who seem prepared to support the manager however they can to reach our objectives. Add to that an Academy that is starting to reap the fruits of having people with the right experience running it, Pep Segura and Rodolfo Borrell deserve a lot of credit for the work done in the Academy, along with Frank McFarland. Where I disagree with KK is his idea we've improved on the pitch, since the end of last season we have regressed.
Come the end of last season, we were playing good football, scoring goals, winning matches and it seemed the right thing to do in offering KK a new deal. After a summer of upheaval, many ins and outs, it looked as if KK had a squad he wanted, in his mould to push on and challenge for the top four. I think many even when the signings we made would have spent the money a lot differently than we did, especially our big money signings, we needed proven quality and to me, our signings are not. People mention we were not an attractive option to foreign big names, but I really think we really lowered our expectations. Did we make a concerted effort for the likes of Juan Mata, Phil Jones (who many said was a nailed on signing!) Keisuke Honda etc. I may well be wrong, but I don't think we did.
The team started well enough, after 19 games we were right in the mix for top four, now after a dreadful run of results we're behind Everton, and closer to Wolves in 20th than we are Tottenham in 4th. Danny Murphy said last season KK would be tested when the pressure is on, it's all well and good playing well with lesser pressure. A word I've heard a lot this weekend is momentum, and we've got the reverse. We don't look like arresting the decline.
The more I write the more it seems like I want KK out, but there's more. KK's selection/rotation policy has had a severe effect on our form. Yesterday, he sends Downing on, on the right wing, and takes Carroll off within minutes¦ it's is puzzling.
The man who escapes the firing line is Damien Comolli, our transfer supremo, charged with unearthing gems. He hasn't done that in the slightest, Alan Carr's Dad is quicker on the uptake than Damien for Christ's sake! Charlie Adam was signed for double the amount Cabaye was. Captain of relegated team, or the captain and crucial cog in the Ligue 1 champions also a full French international¦ Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out who would be a better signing.
A lot has gone wrong with our League season, and the salvation could be a domestic cup double. If we win the double, I think that will save KK. But FSG MUST review our managers, director of football, and our players position at the end of the season or we risk another season of League mediocrity and ridicule
RedSG
One or two things I don't agree with, but on the whole a very good and credible post. Liked it.
SP
Commolli sacked? He should be deported (lol)!! Transfer supremo my foot!! I have never seen money wasted on such a scale at any club. We've become the joke of the premiership. The name of 'Liverpool' is being soiled and look at our position in the league, what a joke!
I love KK but love LFC more, much more!!
KK to move upstairs with respect and all our loves, Commolli sacked and most important of all RAFA back...please!"
redtam in London
We lack goalscorers Honda,Jones and Mata would not have improved our goalscoring rate. It's this simple? Take away Carroll and replace him with Van Persie as an example, and with exactly the same management and players and all the same problems of injuries and suspensions: With just that one change where would we be? And what would we be talking about now? Goals breed confidence and lead to more goals for more players within the team. Or to put it more simply "Where would Arsenal be if we had Van Persie and they had Carroll?"
kidmillions
Kidmillions, I'm not saying Honda, Jones and Mata would have improved our scoring rate, I'm saying they should have been the sort of signing we should have been making, good players who potentially could be (quote Harry Redknapp) top, top, top players!
Personally, if we had those 3 in the team over Adam, Spearing and Carroll, I'm sure we would be in a better position than we find ourselves currently.
But I also do agree with you, about Van Persie.
RedSG
02 Apr 2012 10:30:57
When any of the likes of Downing, Adam, Hendo and Carroll have a mare or two..they're on the bench for the next game (usually!)
However the likes of Gerrard (legend I know) Carra, Enrique and Reina who have all been underperforming for a long time are first on the team sheet. Is this due to a lack confidence (by coaching staff) in the cover available for these positions or the prehistoric view that 'form is temporary...class is permanent.
davinspain
Yeah, I reckon if Dalglish goes or get's sacked then LFC should go for Souness.
Souness would definately add continuity to your transfer policy with the signing's he used to make.
He'd clearout your dross.
He'd get a couple of decent eastern european's in like Tekkers & Goalz
Supasub
Would he bring his fawning mate Boersma with him ? Trying to think of a modern day Paul Stewart he could sign....oh yeah we've already got him.
davinspain
Are you out of your mind- he was the same as KD - great player and crap manager - get a grip man -
02 Apr 2012 10:25:21
In response to the Carroll question, it's like Rushie said, "the need to not be afraid of missing." Carroll was worried about missing when he was through on goal and was looking to shift the responsibility by winnings penalty and letting someone else take it.
Ali
02 Apr 2012 10:24:30
Hey all, how a decision can change a game, first 18 minutes we were the better side playing good football, we should have had a pen and been playing 10 men, as it happened it wasn't given and they scored instantly.
I'm not here to tell you if you dont support kenny your wrong or your not a fan because clearly things are going terrible.
In my opinion though I would give him one more season, we are playing good football, he just must learn from his mistakes, we have no one who can play as a striker on there own, but he still plays one up top all the time, he needs to decide what he wants to do with Carroll, either play him and Suarez to form a partnership or ship him out ASAP, personally I would keep him for a season.
We will see what he's made of because he needs to lift these players, gerrards body language seems to be "oh here we go again"
We still could end up with two cups which is fantastic for any club, but we can not use that as an excuse for our poor league form which for the money spent is disgraceful.
To rebuild a club though takes longer than a year, a good few players in the summer and we won't be far away...
I for one am still going to support every week!
G BOX
Totally agree apart from Carroll who needs to go.
kidmillions
I think everyone knows and agrees that Carroll was a panic buy that was later spinned with phrases like "world class in the making", "one for the future with massive potential" and others of similar ilk. To a point I agree. I do feel Carroll will develop into a very good striker but not with Liverpool.
Liverpools style and the one KK is still trying to achieve is quick, high tempo, accurate passing with good movement. Allied to that is high pressing of the ball, as a team from front to back, when not in possession.
Carroll achieves neither on current evidence. The question is do Liverpool change their style to play to carroll's strengths or do we ship him on( to an obvious loss) at the end of the season. Personally I think the latter.
As for the current state of the team it's obvious that confidence is next to nil. The progress made under KK is being undermined by this and giving everyone, on here especially, ammunition to snipe at KK and the players and destroy confidence further( if it can get any lower?). It's now up to KK, Clarke and Keen to man manage and instilled some belief back into the side.
More importantly, it's now up to us, the supporters, to stand firm and fully get behind the team. Yes we all hurt when we are not doing well. However, nothing will change until the summer so it's pointless and damaging to the team to do otherwise. Let's show total support to all things LFC, get some belief back in the team and see what happens eh?
The long winded response above is mine before anyone slates me for being a no name poster.
Gordy
02 Apr 2012 10:10:15
Can this year be put down as our annus horribilis?
Yes,though now it's for the King and not the Queen.
Dutchmal
I have to say as an nufc fan I dont know if we've done ourselves any favours yesterday, the morale seems to be way way down, there was hardly any reaction after the second goal.
The for Perch to go down like he did (even though it was probably a red anyways without it his reaction) means your keeper will now miss the FA Cup semi final, a match we need you to win if we are to qualify for Europe in 6th!
Whilst you're all complaining about Dalgleish and his signings, I still reckon you have to take a massive look at your scouting network, its all too easy to play over the odds for a player everyone already knows of! Real scouts find players with potential
I thought that was last year?
davethebutcher
02 Apr 2012 09:52:43
Posted on here before the game, was disappointed not to see Coates alongside Skyrtel, think Coates would of reached the cross for the opening goal as he would been played on the right side of defence and not Skyrtle, Cisse is a big lad who is good in the air, so it should have been a no brainer to play Coates who also offers more threat offensively than Carra.
When your confidence is so fragile and the oppositions first effort on target ends up in the back of the net!
Well we then fell apart!
kidmillions
I dont understand that either, we pay about the same amount as chelsea did for Cahill and Coates dosent get a look in, Carra slow not great in the air against taller oposition and he jus kicks the ball anywhere then, plus Coates has scored a goal already. I was dissapointed not to see Sterling on the bench, the 16 min he had last game was brill, he had the ability to take players on added to his speed, which helped pin back opposing players!
The Jazz
The Jazz. I agree; you will only find out if Sterling is ready? By giving him minutes on the pitch, he is roughly the same build physically as the much raved about Iker Muniain who at 19 has played over 100 games.
kidmillions
I agree i like coates i think he offers way more then carra who lets face it should have called it a day by now. Where was the fight the crunching tackle the shot from long distance just to give the crowd somthing and the players a lift. We never had a shot on goal in the second half and thats what upsets me we never even tried.Shelvey looks better then henderson in my opinion. He showed abilty i have rarely seen from henderson and should keep he's place next game. Even though perch is a fool pepe should have never given him the chance to go down.And with Andy words fail me if i see a open goal im going to smash it as hard as i can not take a dive. All in all im dissapointed in my team but im a liverpool fan and i will stick by them win loose or draw.
I agree with Kidmillions Coates is twice the player. Carra has become a liabilty and offers very little.He will always be a legend but time has come for him to call it a day.
Red raj
02 Apr 2012 09:50:05
Kenny got hell wrong in the transfer market, that is the root cause of all this mess we are in, First Carroll then Downing, Henderson & Adam. His idea of less time needed to settle in with EPL experience has really worked very well eh....
Some people say players were not willing to come to Liverpool with out European football, but look at Vidal for 10-12M or so with 50-60K per week thats called a bargain when you compare with Adam or Henderson. I would prefer him any day over Adam & Henderson. I mentioned him on here couple of times before he moved to Juventus eds said again and again no interest from Liverpool. I have my doubts over Liverpool's scouting department whether it is Commoli or Kenny opting for overrated British talent instead of foreign talent.
Downing ahead of Juan Mata, Andy Carroll ahead of Falcao.
Now it is not a matter of patience or time needed to jell in. This is way below there level. Embarrassing. No more further excuses.
I don't know whether Kenny will be at the helm or not till the end of the season at this rate. But even if he leaves or not his crap signings need to leave if not all of them at least 2-3 of them. I would sell, Adam & Spearing, send Henderson and Carroll on loan, then buy one tough Midfielder someone like Javi Martinez or Yann M'Villa
Yesterday I felt how far we have fallen when I saw Gerrard with Spearing and Shelvey in Midfield, remember before it was Alonso & Mascherano now this immature mediocre Shevley and Spearing.
Spearing will never fit into any top 4 or top 6 team even for cover for Lucas he is not good enough, & Shelvey, I rate him more than Henderson but he needs more experience and depending on the situations like yesterday I doubt whether he can handle it or not atm.
the situation we are in is not acceptable, Kenny or king what ever legend this is f***ing embarrassing. Every day this is turning out to be another Souness era. Oh god when 'll we see that golden sky, and an end to all these storms. I have been walking on with hope and faith for years and still is the same may be it's for eternity. A curse on Liverpool, paying the cost for the Heysel and Hillsborough disasters. Within another 50-60 days the Sc*ms will be taking their 20th. Where are we? In relegation form, in mid table, below even the Neverton side who spend few pennies if you compare the amount of money Liverpoool spent on new players.
Shanks & Bob would be coming back tearing their graves apart if they knew this.
FA Cup or bust.
Matty
Shanks took time to build a great team, Bob conyinued that job. Woy took over from Rafa. Daglish is rebuilding , this yr isnt great, chances we cud win another trophy. back in europe, he needs time, no point in sacking a manager when all is not going great.
JayB
Well said Matty, i don't expect us to win the league but at least be in top 5 or 6. Below Everton, among Sunderland, Fulham & Swansea really hearts but above all when you look at the amount of money spent it makes me cry.
Shankly's pet dogs great great grand dog Elisha
Felt so sorry on Kenny yesterday. You'll get it right Kenny, i'll support you no matter what once you're the manager!
Corkpoolred
@ JayB
Yes no need of sacking too soon but there is a limit for even someone who is rebuilding, if we go beyond the limits then its boom, bust..
I have my uttermost respect for Kenny but if not now, the sooner the season ends the sooner Kenny steps down.... to restore his pride as well as our pride
Matty
You'll get it right Kenny, i'll support you no matter what once you're the manager!
Blind faith.
Blind alley.
Blind devotion.
Blind!
02 Apr 2012 09:44:42
Hey Guys. This is one of the lowest periods in the history of Liverpool Fc. Therefore, I thought I will give it a try to cheer you up. This is the story of a Liverpool Fc fan growing in India.
I started supporting Liverpool about 15 years ago( I am 24), I was introduced the club by a distant relative who used to stay in "Manchester" and for the last 15 years I have grown to love the club with all my heart.
The thing is being a lfc fan in India is like being the pigeon amongst the cats. The Manchester and Chelsea fans in India outnumber everyone else by 100 to 1 mostly the Manchester united ones. I have always wondered the reasons for this and found some answers. One answer is obviously the amount of success they have enjoyed but the bigger answer is the fact that 1999 was the year that EPL was televised in India for the first time and they won the treble. 12 years, and the man utd fans in India have grown by herds. Manyoo cafes have opened up in almost every city wheres m still waiting for the first Boot room café. Every weekend I see young guys who don't have a clue about football sitting in these cafes and talking about rooney and Hernandez when they don't even know the names of best, Charlton. They don't know who the busby babes were? But they support Manchester United.
In comparison we LFC fans are few but those who are there love the club and know everything about this.
This is what Liverpool is all about to me. It is not about the most successful or the most popular club in the world, it is about a club with a difference, a club with values, a club you should be proud to support.
A few days ago I shared a cab with a Manyoo fan. It was a one hour ride and we got talking. He ridiculed me for about 15 mins for supporting Liverpool Fc. Then I asked him "who is your favourite Manchester united player". "Rooney" came the reply. " I used to like cantona" I replied. And the guy replied "Oh. The Brazilian guy. He was some player".
They say we live in our past. In my view we will always be Avant-Garde.
Sunny
Good post Sunny
Sunny you are absolutely right bro ..I'm one of those LFC supporter from India and I 2nd every single word you said ...even I get sticks from so called man utd guys who are running high on their 2 decades of success ..though don't have a clue how that was achieved :D ...more of a glory hunters ..if they go in a slump for year or 2, 60% of their fan following will vanish in thin air ....
Indian Red
Haha,,, Great post mate,, that actually did cheer me up,, fairplay.
DublinRed
"Like it!" Hope you told him Cantona was Mexican ;)lol
kidmillions
HAha,, brilliant post,, that did cheer me up
Thanks DublinRed and Indian red. I could co on about Chelsea and City. But thats another story.
I'm an LFC fan from Mumbai,India and whatever you've said sums up the manU fan boys over here.
Daniel Rogers.
That is the POST OF THE MONTH!
02 Apr 2012 09:44:39
Even as bad as it was yesterday, i saw something I haven't seen for a long long time in a Liverpool team...Passion, in the reaction of Andy Carroll, Pepe Reina, and even the skipper. if we can channel that and get a bit of luck, I feel it might all click into place.
Sooty
Sorry, but I don't think it was passion we saw. I think it was just petulance and frustration.
Passion is something a player should be able to channel into a positive performance (with the right management help of course). It seems like we've signed and are picking players whose stats looked good but showed nothing about their mental toughness or integrity. It pains me to see our forwards (Carrol and Suarez) rolling over, diving and crying to the ref whenever they're tackled. They should be scaring the pants off every back-four they come up against. It's like watching Kevin and Perry!
You saw Passion? Yet I only saw Petulance?
kidmillions
Gerrard and Reina, passion for the club. Carroll - not sure if I'm honest...
Why won't people think?
Andy stormed off as he didn't want to sit and take the abuse
Bean
02 Apr 2012 09:36:59
On 21/03/2012 I posted this wht 9 games to go...
"Need 16 pts in 9 games to beat last season total of 58...
Do you know what, I'm not sure lads, not confident..."
Then most disagreed. So, how do people feel now, with 7 games to go and still needing 16 pts?
Can you see us 5 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss out of those 7?
I'm still not confident...
I have to disagree! let's try and be positive!
02 Apr 2012 09:26:20
Time to go KK
Time to show some support
Where was the support for Mr Hodgson?
02 Apr 2012 09:19:25
Watched the game yesterday. I think Gerrard went missing big time. Agree? And why oh why did Carroll go down?
Forget gerrad the manager went missing he is a mug
02 Apr 2012 09:15:10
i understand everyone who think kk should stay based on passed glories but at the end of the day the owners will have to weigh up protecting their investment over a possible fans backlash........i honestly dont think he will just walk away or accept being moved upstairs
02 Apr 2012 09:12:52
There is not ONE liverpool player who has not got hammered over the last few weeks on here.
It started with carra, then in no order came spearing, carroll, henderson, adam, gerrard, skrtel, etc. and finally some posts are now attacking enrique.
If I was a leading player guess where I would not want to go with fans like sharks?
How a player plays is largely influenced by the manager, yes confidence plays a large part but if your in a team and you don't know exactly what the boss wants and you are under the microscope you'll tend to play very much within yourself.
That's what I saw yesterday.
Gerrard was trying to make things happen those around him have little or no understanding with him, look back at the match again and look at gerrard yes it seems on face value he was poor but he tried to push the team on however they were not interested.
We just are a poor quality team even Messi would struggle in it.
Kenny has said they are no quick fixes and he's right however is he the man to make the fixes?
Rafa is no the man either!
We need some divine inspiration.
Devine inspiration,didnt they have the hit with a song called, the way,the corus went like "show me the way" funny that lol
I agree but let's at least give Messi a try :)
kidmillions
02 Apr 2012 09:05:57
Does anyone know if Perch is out of hospital yet? That severe facial injury that sank him like a stone is going to leave a nasty lifelong scar, no doubt. Pepe, however, deserved the red but why the hell didnt Perch get one for an intentional swipe at Reina's legs - not a trip but a kick off the ball.
Wouldn't have changed the result but at least that barcoded soft-c*ck would have missed 3 games as well. Or am I just bitter?
cozinoz {Ed002's Note - He was booked and that was the appropriate punishment. Move on.}
I hear ya cozinoz mate he should have gone for fouling Suarez back.
k-h
I absolutely agree with you cozinoz ! ..remember our game against fulham at the start of campaign .. dempsey put his head into bellamy's face but bellamy didn't acted cheaply and felt down ..but he kept his composure didn't even raised fist or anything ..but instead bellamy too got card ..it's such a bloody bull crap referring x(
I believe that Perch is being treated by the same Plastic Surgeon who treated Arjan Robben a few years ago.
Dutchmal
Is a lashing out a kick to a player off the ball a yellow card? I would suggest he did not receive the appropriate punishment which is why I made the point.
cozinoz
02 Apr 2012 08:53:54
As a lifelong Liverpool fan I have been finding it a struggle in recent times to come to terms with the hypocrisy of our supporters. We have 'You'll Never Walk Alone' as a motto but also a belief, but the moment things don't go our way we single people out and call for blood.
It's painful to see Liverpool's form dip so badly, but let's look at the bigger picture. The club seems sound financially now which is important in the current game. When our first 11 is fit I believe we're a match for anyone. Kenny hasn't had masses of time and he's delivered us a cup... we may struggle in the league, but certainly in the earlier part of the season we were playing excellently and just unlucky finding the net (woodwork hasn't been a problem!). The teams around and above us have also improved a lot, so in a transitional year we're not doing terribly up until the last 6 or 7 matches.
I guess what I'm saying is we shouldn't fall into the trap of other big businesses that are after instant gratification and results. Look at the bigger picture, suffer a little now but have a plan for the future in place so that once you're back at the top it's sustainable.
I think this is what Kenny has been doing by buying young (unproven) talent and is likely the approach a forward looking company like FSG is taking.
I for one will keep backing the team and the players. None of them are useless and with other Liverpool fans not letting them walk alone, believing in the future and trusting in Kenny and co. then things may well get better for longer, rather than short term fixes for instant relief from fan pressure.
Good post, have been saying more or less the same thing for ages, the style of football when were playing well is great. Like any work in progress some things will have to changed for more improvement namely a couple of players out and a couple in as soon as the seasons over.
kidmillions
02 Apr 2012 08:45:36
Carrols attitude shows lackve respect.Even if as Kenny says hes frustrated.Bad signs when people speak to manager like that
Carroll has no right to question the Manager or supporters, he has no 35 Million pound performances in the bank to back himself up.
He'll be gone in the Summer.
kidmillions
Jeez he's not supposed to produce 35m performances. He was an expensive buy (for reasons we all know about) and as he is young, LFC would expect a return on their investment over the next 10 years. I like your posts kidmillions but no point expecting 35m performances from him or you'll be as disappointed as a Chelsea fan is with their Spaniard
cozinoz
Cozinoz; I also like your posts, but on the issue of Carroll. I don't consider 23 as being young for a striker. For a defender or a midfield player yes you can improve your game and get better with experience and the correct coaching, but playing upfront is different and more about having the Quality to play there: that no amount of coaching will improve. That's why Clubs will go out and pay millions for goalscorers; "There born that way and not coached!" That's why I think Carroll is probably as good as he's ever going to get. Don't dislike the lad, just like every red, I want only the best for us.
kidmillions
02 Apr 2012 08:43:24
Really feel for Kenny great player.If you can care too much he does.Sad to see the pressure seems to be taking its toll again.Apparent when he cut short his interview.Dunno what has to be done but a lot has to change.Lowest 12 game point tally since 1950s.wether we like or not that wouldve been relegation form without points we had in bag.I wonder if Kennys been guilty of including old guard in too many decisions.That in itself blurs management/player boundaries and can make others feel ailienated.There does on face of it appear clicks.Ok askviews but should be all views or non.Ild rather they didnt at all cos shows weakness.Carra and Stevie been superb but should only have views taken on board if they have a future at the club in some capacity and i hope they do.If not their employees like everyone else and sadly there time is nearly up.Mr.Henry this is a shambles clear direction and leadership comes from very top of well run clubs.Not only must you dig very deep to bring quality so badly lacking in.You must be decisive with future plan stick or twist?Only you have that power despite what we all say.But a lot has to change drastically and quickly if were not to sink even lower perhaps akin to say Leeds.Were all hurting so much and sickve being cannon fodder for pundits press and jokes.Please sort this-somebody
Well one thing is sure Dalglish has made Woy look a great manager, bet you wish Woy was still here with 100m
Pardoe
It is relagation form. We have the worst record in the league since January apart from Wolves. 8 points?
Iggypop
02 Apr 2012 08:41:39
Ed,
If Kenny does go ( which I hope he doesn't) then Brendon Rogers would be perfect. Swanswea play such good football and we have the players to be able to play in that manner. Also you said earlier that Rogers really just kept the same way Martinez played. I think this is partially true but he has also developed and improved this style, made it workable in the top flight and probably the best imitation of Barcelona anywhere in the world. Kenny has already got us playing good football so surely Rogers would be the guy to develop this further. What are your views ed ?
Ernest Redding {Ed002's Note - I think you should wait until he leaves and then see what the options are.}
How come Swansea never came up as Champions? The expectation levels at a Club like Swansea are a million miles away from the expectations at a club like Liverpool.
kidmillions
Totally agree Kidmillions,got to stay away from flavour of month managers.and go for tried and tested managers,who can handle the massive job at LFC
02 Apr 2012 08:40:36
in this coming transfer market,most of the players should be sold including gerrard. Adam, kuyt,gerrard,bellamy maxi, reina, carragher, carroll and spearing. we might preety much get some funds selling these players and we should have youngsters like sterling and suso on the bench for subsitutes. buy a striker, 2 wingers and 2 pairs of midfield and a defender and we will have a new team. we are not looking great with the current form and the team so lets change the squad and lets sack damien commoli, he only knows how to make a business transaction but not football, style of play, passion etc
redh0t
You want to sell Gerrard twice?
To borrow a quote from someone famous
Nonsense
No one can sell Gerrard .. No one
Yah sell gerrard twice or thrice but lets not have him here and carroll as well, lets make a new squad. i am frustated wid kenny because he didnt make purchases in jan transfer window.
redh0t
02 Apr 2012 08:33:31
I swear alex fergusson was 1 game away from being sacked when he began managing man utd?
Hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark, at the end of the storm there's a golden sky...
RMUK
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Why we quote examples from past is beyond me..its 2012 do you see the difference in world..24/7 media every thing is watched fergi would have been sacked if he was incharge now..
Game has gone global,why can't you just get that in your head..sports all of them have changed..money makes a difference and sponsers want value for money spend..
Tell me that when you look at the current team it does not strike you as players who does not care that they wear LFC red..but question is who bought them? Our manager..
Red indian
Yes Dalglish bought them, but those players should at least be able to pass the ball to each other without giving it away or run on to a pass. Carroll dived not Dalglish, all those peanalties that were missed were down to players, 20 odd times the posts were hit , ref decisions not going our way...if they did go our way you wouldnt be writing such BULL. We have the right manager, i hope hes kept and the summer ins and outs wil be interesting, In Kenny We Trust...so do what the rest of the LFC real fans do and support all related to our team!
Red&Bred
Red indian you say in this day and age that Fergie would have been sacked by now but do you not see the problem with that ......He wouldnt have gone on to become Uniteds all time greatest manager.
And Fergie still makes terrible buys himself so lets all just take a breath we are playing terribly but this cannot be solved by sacking the manager in my oppinion (see how iw rote out those words instead of abbreviationg them into a three letter combination that could mean anything).
red tinted glasses
02 Apr 2012 08:15:15
I have read on here that during the early part of the season we were playing some of our most attractive football, being renowned got hitting the woodwork. So I hate to be the one to point this out but our poor form coincides with the return of Stevie and Carra. To me they both look a shadow of the players they were! I also saw how Gerrard spoke to Kenny when Reina got sent off, total lack of respect and undermined the man. Out with old for me. Both hero's of mine and club legends but as we've all said before no one is bigger than the club so really need to move on. Thoughts?
Somerset red
Best thing I've read all weekend. I've been saying for a long time that for us to move on as a football club Gerrard and Carra need to go.
Kenny had no reason to go on the pitch and protest. He shouldn't have been there. Gerrard was probably telling him to leave it and get off the pitch. Sorry, but Gerrard was right if that was the case.
Why blame Carra? The problem is missing Agger. Why not state that rather than blame Carra? Very negative!
Totally agree with the Carragher comment nut think Gerrard has two years left, needs the Captaincy taken off him though.
Sooty
From what I have seen in the early part of the season to now was that we defo did play better football when Gerrard and Carra were not in the team. All the players got involved and everybody played their part. Now when someone gets the ball they all look to Gerrard to pass it to and do something. Not saying that is Gerrards fault as he has been the best player we have hads over last decade. Other players need to be allowed to step up and play the game. Adam was having a good season until Gerrard came back, especially playing alongside Lucas. Personally I would stick Stevie on the right hand side of midfield like he did a few years ago. Let him float about but keep the centre midfield choice of 4 the same. Adam, Lucas(when fit), Henderson and Spearing. Would solve a few problems we have. There is obviously still a place in the pitch for player with as much talent as Gerrard but not to the detrement of the team.
Gazza
Well said Gaza they avoid responsibility when Stevies there.As you say not his fault.But they do wait and expect him to do everything
02 Apr 2012 08:07:30
we look so much worse defensively without agger...
And Lucas
KJS
I agree skertyl is covering Carra's ass big time, Agger is being missed baddly
I think it is time to throw COATES into it now and let him have a go as it clearly shows JC is not up to it anymore and i honestly believe we are missing Lucas more than people think.
we should of went out to get a cover for him wen we had the chance to and in all honesty i think we should of snapped up scott parker but instead we waste 20m on jordan henderson, ok different positions but i know who got the best deal.
Well i hope KK is relieved of his management as soon as we can and would like to see him be moved upstairs, but i think we need a good european manager to take over who wants a challenge as it will be for us to finish anywhere neare top 6 next year with the current set up.
We need a winger, striker, cm, and cd, maybe also a keeper
and we need players who will make us better not worse
winger and striker not sure of who but they need to be good, and have pace i dont know why we aint gone for podolski,as he who would be quality.
Skirtel is a liability. I cant believe people still rate him so highly. Agger is twice the defender he is. He makes rash challenges and bad decisions. Losing agger has highlighted these. At this point with nothing to lose in the league maybe its worth blooding coates. And lets give raheem a couple more subs appearances.
02 Apr 2012 07:54:48
Lets put the manager issue aside for one moment. Who on earth do we sell in the summer transfer window i mean do we give up on a lot of the new signings henderson carrol etc? we would make huge losses I think we all expect aquaman cole aurelio to go but do we trust in the expensive new signings or cut our losses thoughts?
Cut loses
Surely that can't happen think it through logically lets say that the club sell Carroll ,Henderson and Adam how much will you get back of the 65m say 30m if lucky then what spend another 50m on players
Theres no way your club can afford to lose that much money none can
Pardoe
Pardoe its a case of having to.Keep them longer and youll get less! And risk flirting with lower reaches of Leauge
02 Apr 2012 07:53:07
Carroll has to go after his 'you havent got a f****** clue' statement to kk even if he is right.
No he doesn't. He was the only one out there yesterday ready for a fight. He played some good football and I can understand he action towards Kenny.
Kenny has lost it big time!
It wasn't Kenny who dived when faced with an empty goal. Carroll is shyte.
f*** that!
He's spot on with his comment though!
02 Apr 2012 07:52:39
If the owners don't sack that poor excuse for a manager then they can f**k off too. Andy carroll you are a joke, Enrique all the good games you had mean nothing your as crap as the rest. Downing, henderson,Bellamy not fit to wear the shirt. The coaches the staff should be sacked put them on the dole thats where they belong. My season ticket is for sale on ebay with a few games on it grab a bargain. Im not paying to travel up to liverpool to watch that s**t. I would rather take my kids to play football in the park i would probably see more quality
Cool. Goodbye then Sunshiner - don't need you. Tatty-bye
cozinoz
This statement is a little harsh.... But i really can't disagree with what your saying.
Ok its looking like KK is not the man to take us back to where we belong but who will??
We have to be really careful who takes over from KK (if he leaves), We cant expect instant results...A new Manager will need time and a lot of fans wont give him it, They will be calling for his head if we lose 3/5 games on the spin. We have to get back to where our Managers stay for years and not months. My shout is to go for a proven PL Manager who knows the league and players and who can attract quality and not just quantity players, Move the dead wood on and promote a couple of youngsters to learn there trade at the top level.
My shout would be....Rogers or Oneill with the Manager having the say on who we sign and not having a Mr Comolli giving his opinion on signings.
Bobby.
Couldnt find your season ticket on ebay lad so message me and I will have it coz win lose or draw I will still be following the same team next week,Next month, Next year next decade through which ever players we have in these time periods and whoever manages and owns them I will be supporting that team.Whether they win one game next season and get relegated embarassing as it would be I will still be supporting them.Unless you have a better idea in mind im still going to support them.
red tinted glasses
02 Apr 2012 07:49:55
After so many bad results, just like most Lfc fans, me too started questioning everything about Kenny...Then, I thought, what if we sign Guardiola or Mourinho will any one of them be able to change our fortune overnight with the same players we are having now?? For me,the answer is a big NO...coz it's the players who are on the pitch and they are the ones required to perform...Kenny got a team which was in shambles and on the way down whereas the likes of Guardiola and Mourinho inherited great teams with lots of star players and they were already performing to expectations...Even they wasted lots of money on players who never or are not finding their feet in Barca or Real. So, my personal view is that Kenny be given one more year to prove what he's capable of(which I don't doubt) and John Henry backing him with 2 or 3 incoming players. I definitely think Kenny will get it right and make Lfc set the Epl alight and bring back our glory days. Any one of us, in whichever field we are or are about to join, must be given time to prove our competence....we'll obviously be frustrated and consider it unfair to us if we are judged after inadequate time to settle and show our abilities...ISN'T IT?? After all, Kenny is just holding the whip but it's the lions who run the show. Unfortunately, our lions had their teeth extracted and more than tamed ones and very lazy, can't kill their prey and don't find it necessary to do so coz they are being fed handsomely and no desire to hunt down even when being attacked. If you agree with my post, fine....and if you don't, still fine...Thanks and have a nice day all of you.
Kenny signed the duds simple as that im afraid
Mourinho or guardiola wud not have signed all that garbage in the first place.
Indian Buzzer
Every NEW player to be purchased is a potential DUD, and that includes the players the fans want.
However great tactician Guardiola and Mourinho may be, Barca and Real do struggle when Messi and Ronaldo do not perform.The stats show that and these two almost every time get the man of the match award for their respective team.Have you watched the match between Barca and Milan?? Messi cudn't create chances and Barca didn't score.simple as that. Kenny shouldn't be blamed. The players should coz they are not performing. Ok, all are saying that Kenny is to be blamed for the signings.Is he the only one responsible?? And it has already been elucidated that the price tags don't mean so much coz the amount spent on the players are being subsided by their relatively low wages. Please back Kenny.
No to above poster we could all see Carrol was panic buy at huge risk that didnt work.no potential to be dud-almost certainty.yea every signing can be.But KKs success aint even 50-50 in recruitment
02 Apr 2012 07:47:35
We should all have to start wondering: 1. Are John W. Henry, Thomas Werner, Ian Ayre, and Damiel Comolli possessed with the same feelings of humiliation and embarrassment as most of LFC's fans are by watching one of the most historic teams to be humiliated by all of its opponents in 2012? 2. Do they really have the pure intentions, as they are trumpeting, to turn around the fortunes of this team? 3. When will they finally realize that as long as they do not act decisively and immediately to appoint a world class manager and sack Kenny Dalglish this team will always be on the red alert zone? 4. Will John W. Henry and Thomas Werner start eventually protecting their investment and the sponsors who are heavily investing in LFC's world-recognized brand name? 5. Will John W. Henry and Thomas Werner eventually and finally be consulted honestly by the football experts and informed that what it is happening to LFC in 2012 is not a normal and healthy condition/development? {Ed002's Note - Henry and Werner are well aware what the situation is at Liverpool but will also realise that any corrective action needs to be planned and agreed by all parties. I am sure that eventually there will be changes but at this point in the season it would be very difficult to do anything constructive that would help in the long-term.}
Yeap agree totally.Lotve talk from Fenway.Now time to show you have power,Finances to act.Wether that be back or sack.Its defo time to put up or shut up-sorry re,cliches
Yeap time to see do they truely care?
02 Apr 2012 07:38:35
hi guys we've really missed lucas this year :
spearing after 13 games :
39 tackles = 3 per game
14 interceptions = 1.1 per game
10 clearances = 0.8 per game
lucas after his 12 games :
68 tackles = 5.7 per game
33 interceptions = 2.8 per game
14 clearances = 1.2 per game
spearing is trying his best but he surely is no lucas!
also our crossing has been pretty bad guys :
downing 40/175 = 1.3 per game
adam 37/170 = 1.3 per game
enrique 27/116 = 0.9 per game
suarez 7/36 = 0.3 per game
hendo 9/68 = 0.3 per game
kuyt 9/42 = 0.3 per game
these are just a few statistics tell me what you guys think
Yea all true but one man doesnt make a team
Only interested in Goals! we need a couple players with an eye for goal.
kidmillions
Our season started going down hill when Lucas got injured. Then there was the Suarez farce which was handled badly by Lfc and played into the hands of SAF et al and meant we took our eye off the ball.
I also think that we have chopped and change our style too much to try to accommodate Carroll. We need a lethal finisher. I feel sorry for him though. He was just a pawn and bought because we needed a striker fast (thanks Nando). He probably didn't want to leave Newcastle and is never going to settle because of that and the huge £35m weight.
We need to choose our style and stick with it. For me that will include a finisher/ poacher wahtever you want to call it. Andy is not that, nor Suarez (but he could fit in with one). Our successful teams of the past all had one.
KJS
Lucas aint gona score 20 goals.though he has been missed
02 Apr 2012 07:30:36
Serbian newspapers are full of this ,,Liverpool's new shame,,.KK must go now not at the end of season.When I was talking about our performance in Carling Cup final everyone here slam me,,results count,,.What are You think now?Serbian red
I think youre STILL a well end
cozinoz
02 Apr 2012 06:04:59
I have got a feeling man utd will win their 25th league title before we win our 19th. N im actually feeling optimistic right now.
Indian Buzzer
Do us a favor go support them.
Daniel Rogers.
Mr rogers, i was just expressing my gut feeling. Surely u dont have a problem with that, do u?
Indian Buzzer
How many league titles were we in front of them 20 years ago just saying things change rapidly in football who knows.
red tinted glasses
02 Apr 2012 05:26:52
To all the doom mongers and knee jerkers - I don't recall the scum sacking old purple nose in the very early days after a poor run or, the gooners getting rid of Wenger after a shocking early season run this season. No, they stuck with them and gave them the backing and support. There is no doubt we are in a bad place in the PL at the moment but nobody can deny that KK has pulled this great club off its knees and got the place buzzing again. For fooks sake, give him a chance. Macca has revealed possible plans for the summer which, if true, will strengthen us further hopefully. We have one trophy in the bag with the chance of another. We are also in the Europa League next season. Progress!
As the great man once said, 'If you can't support us when we're losing, don't bother supporting us when we're winning'
The Goatherder
JFT96
Same old bull goatherder-HERES ANOTHER-THE LEAUGES ARE BREAD AND BUTTER.THE signings Kennys made makes our situ different
If your gripe with Liverpool is the signings then go support City ( Ballotelli, Dzeko Milner and a load i cant think of right now) or United -Young , De gea Anderson in fact the majority of their midfield.
Just support the club whatever mistakes they make because at the end of the day they will still be your team tomorrow.
red tinted glasses
Club exists to win trophies.1st is first,2nd is nowhere 2 more Shanks quotes-and were not adhering to re position in Leauge goatherder
02 Apr 2012 05:06:10
Sleepless tonight after that horror show yesterday.
I'm not one to jump on the band wagon and call for peoples heads so quickly, I was probably the last person to give up on Roy Hodgson. However Dalglish has gone to far now. 5 weeks I've been saying "He'll fix it". Our league form since the start of 2012 has been devastating. It is literally relegation form. I just don't think we can sit here and watch this decline without at least questioning things at the club. I can't just follow Dalglish blindly becuase of stories I read about him in the archives. I'm 18 years old... So by all means tell me I'm too young to understand, or that I'm childish; but in reality I'm just a modern fan without the past glories in my memories to blinker my vision. Anybody on the outside can see what is before them. The management team has failed, and so has the transfer policy.
Do I want Rafa back? I never wanted him gone, but unless Comolli leaves to that'll never work. The cowboys ruined Rafa's legacy. He was taking us places before then. One bad season due to a lack of investment... If he'd stayed in charge, I'd love to see where we'd be now with these owners. People say he played defensive football? 4-1 at Old Trafford, 4-0 against Real Madrid, 4-4 goal fests with Arsenal and the world record victory in the Champions league (8-0 against Bisktas) suggests otherwise. Yes we drew some silly games with him, but under other managers we've lost those games instead.
To summarise, I've sat around and watched too long now. I do want Dalglish sacked, I want to see the whole coaching staff changed, and some major changes need to be made to the starting line-up. Players who want to play, should! I know this will get chucked into teams section because of this, but we should go with a bog standard 4-4-2:
Doni/Reina
Kelly
Skrtel
Agger/Coates
Enrique
Kuyt
Spearing
Shelvey
Downing
Suarez
Bellamy
Subs:
Jones/Doni
Flanagan
Wisdom/Coates
Coady
Adorjan/Suso
Sterling
Morgan/Ngoo
Would they do any better? probably not, but they'd try harder. I'd rather lose with a team that wants to be there, than lose with a team that doesn't, because thats just embarassing. Rafa was always the man for the job, and its time he came back. I don't care if you throw me into the "bring back rafa" brigade, because I am well and truly part of it. Glory over sentiment anyday.
Quote Daglish: "No man is bigger than the club"
Well then Dalglish, walk away before you destroy what you claim to love.
YNWA! (Adam)
Rubbish post!
Great Post
02 Apr 2012 04:20:36
3 turning points today:
1) Carroll dives when he had an open goal
2) Perch handballs a goalbound effort on the line
3) Cisse scores their 2nd from a position about 5 yards offside
We were all over them until they scored, just failed to take chances or convert pressure into goals. They had one chance one goal and suddenly we were behind. Highlights our need for a clinical striker, a bit of luck, and a lot of confidence
Red Ollie
Ah yes
Those hullcinations
Helps to avoid the pain
02 Apr 2012 04:13:49
well lads.....i guess its easier to take the loss knowing that we didnt deserve to win.....well done newcastle
BADGER
if liverpool lose one more match im gonna fuken break my tv
Well, Last night I almost had my tv broken. just in the last minutes I manage to control myself. C'mon Liverpool. Please.....
Im not the only one then my wife thinks im mad in the feckin head.
k-h
02 Apr 2012 04:07:49
I love Gerrard as a player and he is a bona fide legend but I swear we play differently with him in the team. His return from injury coincided with our loss of form in the league and I can't help wondering how much is down to the man.
Personally, I'd like to see him in more of a Beckham role on the right of midfield as his crossing is still second to none yet he isn't as capable of running box-to-box every game as a central midfielder. This would allow Adam, Shelvey and Hendo in their preferred central roles which will inevitably become theirs in time anyhow.
Gerrard on the right under Rafa was scoring 15-20 a season whereas I don't remember him tracking back and tackling more than once in the past few games and I think his reduced mobility is affecting our defence. I honestly think he needs to retire to the right where his vision and crossing can find Luis and Andy, and his energy can be saved for when it's needed.
cozinoz
I very seldom agree with you Cozinoz but his presense appears to itimidate others performances
What about the last Everton game?
The Everton game he pulled out the stops and played an awesome game.......but unfortunately those performances are few and far between these days. Dont get me wrong, he is a top player and still a vital asset...i just think his later years could be better served on the wing where he could still be influential but doesn't burn out so easily
cozinoz
02 Apr 2012 04:01:54
Fans wanted Roy Hodgson Gone, they wanted Poulsen gone, Sotirios Kyrgiakos gone. Do you think you'll get your wish this time?
02 Apr 2012 03:58:04
In no particular order - five things I have taken from the game:
1. Andy Carroll's dive - pathetic.
2. Pepe's brain snap - dirty and inexcusable.
3. Cabaye's off-the-ball dive in an attempt to get Suarez in trouble.
4. Perch's dive from Reina headbutt - slightest contact and goes down like a girl.
5. LFC's complete lack of heart - the most embarrassing of all.
Needless to say, wasn't left feeling great after that one!
LIVERPRES
Yeap lackve heart and fight and heads dropping after going behind-inexcusable
02 Apr 2012 01:52:47
eds without buying players in we have a good team we just never play our strongest team next season gk-raina rb-johnson cb-agger cb-skertal lb-enrequa cdm-lucas lm-downing rm-bellermy cam-gerrard st-suarez st-carrol 4-1-2-1-2 to me thats a top 4 team all day long quality in every position and good back up on the bench adam, henderson, kuyt(st), carrager, maxi, kelly even stirling we could have done something very similar this season but im sure kenny had his reasons.. maybe he wanted to integrate some kids god nose but surely that would have called for a start for Stirling or robinson if he was making silly calls like starting flanagan shelvey and spearing all at the same time we was doomed from the squad sheet was announced even wigan could have beat us .... oh wait
adamlfc {Ed002's Note - I don't see what God's nose has to do with it.}
02 Apr 2012 02:29:48
I've been thinking all evening and I've come to my own personal conclusion that KD should stay, reason being we all know what the players are capable off which we've seen the first half of this season and the ending of last season, for me the problem is the following:
1. The fact that CL qualification was ended a few games ago thus deflating the players and making themselves believe that they are inadequate to compete, mentally they are frustrated. The only thing that can lift them out of the rocks now is us, the fans, telling/singing to them and letting them know we are 1, we are in this together. Shoulda, woulda, coulda's can't change the here, now and near future.
2. Injuries to leaders and defensive rocks like Lucas and Agger have further deflated the players and effected the attacking players game, when you have stones at the back it takes the pressure of the attackers and gives them confidence to run forward. I also think it's obvious how important G.Johnson is to us, we play much better with him in the team IMO, Kelly, Flano are good but not as good as him. In the near future they will be though.
3. Luis Suarez situation, this was another factor which effected the whole team morale, not to mention our most important player up front was missing for ages, obviously.
Yes a new manager would invigorate the team once more, but for how long? how long until he "loses" the dressing room too?
I agree that he signed some 'not-up-to-par' players, but far as I'm concern that's been he's only downfall and even then we don't know how much control Comolli and FSG have over it, maybe it was "Carroll or Bent, make your choice?" It would be easy to say Bent now, but I was ecstatic when we first signed Carroll but he's a shadow of himself now, I think they're trying to change his whole game play to a more rounded player like Ibrahimovic and that will take time but he has the potential.
IF the players show up in the FA Cup then that will prove, for me anyways, it's the players not giving their all because there's still something worth fighting for there.
Give him (KD) one more season with a chance to rectify any problems which have been made I say, it's the least he deserves for picking us up off our feet when we were hovering over relegation zone last season, we have a cup and in the running for another.
1 more season it's the least we owe KD, I would be ashamed of our fans if he was boosted out after only 1 season and a cup in the cabinet (maybe 2)
I swear alex fergusson was 1 game away from being sacked when he began managing man utd?
Hold your head up high and don't be afraid of the dark, at the end of the storm there's a golden sky...
RMUK
Agreed
Completely agree. Good post, mate!
asdfghjkl
I told that LFC will lose against Newcastle and it happens .....
Plz address the issues .....i have stated we dont have best players in the squad and what we have are average players .....but then swansea has average players but they have never say die attitude...
hopefully we have new manager and few new players next season
Absolutely spot on, KK is learning, we should give him one more season, the only mistake he made was that he didnt sign any players in jan transfer market, but he should be given one more chance, he loves the club and he knows what is defeat for liverpool more then we know. so lets be in his side
Not having hes learning!FFS how longs he been in game?
02 Apr 2012 01:04:46
Denial, is not just a river in Africa.
13th.
I liked Romancing the Stone (1984)
02 Apr 2012 00:45:44
Chances of signing Guardiola Ed's? {Ed001's Note - oh please.}
Do you think he will play for us
We need forward thinking managers who can take LFC to Premiership.......wander what JH is thinking .......................
02 Apr 2012 00:48:23
To lighten the mood after a depressing day what about an all time nightmare Liverpool XI to give us a laugh?
GK itanje
RB degen
LB dicks
CD piechnik
CD traore
RM carter
CM diao
CM ferri
LM nunez
CF el zahar
CF el hadji diouf
Any more suggestions?
Haha, nice one mate,, the depressin thing is though ya could probably chuck Carroll, Henderson, Adam and Downing into that team
That is a really good bad team, I would swap traore for Bjorne torn kvarme, diao for istvan kozma, and may I suggest a front 2 of eric Meyer and Sean (I'm faster than Michael Owen) Dundee.
Merf
Ngog, Poulsen, Konchesky.
KiwiRed
IGOR BISCAN? How can you leave out the greatest donkey of them all?
Poulsen
02 Apr 2012 00:35:06
Look like you lads need a bloke who knows how to score goals at the moment. I wonder how many of you go to sleep at night wishing Torres was back at your pathetic excuse of a club.
Tc.
Read through this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liverpool_F.C. and then tell us we're a "pathetic excuse for a club." Apologies in advance if I've overestimated your mental capacities and giving you so many words to read hurts your teeny tiny brain.
DP
Don't wonder how we go to sleep at night. It's very flattering and your concern is noted, but there's really no need.
But if it will help you sleep, I tend to doze off thinking about Dudek saving Shevchenko's awful penalty in Istanbul, to give us our fifth European Cup.
Rigsby.
Oh give over, he scored against League 1 opposition, and Aston Villa.
Id have him back in the morning.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
02 Apr 2012 00:33:22
{Ed022's note - brand new player profile on Neven Subotic of Borussia Dortmund. www.player-profiles.co.uk - thanks all.}
02 Apr 2012 00:29:49
What about the king bringing in fowler till end off season. He may be getting on now, but he'll always know where the goal is and can be the fox in the box we crave? Give him a coching role as well. I know it's crazy but times are hard. He could just give us the morale boost we need! I'm sure if he'd been playing this season half those woodwork hits would have been converted!
Arthur Fowler?
Rigsby.
You obviously didn't follow his career to the A-League in Australia mate, where he was far from impressive in a league much weaker than the championship. Great in his day, but we must move forward mate - Fowler, Owen, Torres - move on people!
LIVERPRES
He didn't exactly rip it up in the a league here in Australia and that is a pathetic league
He came back 2 weeks ago
02 Apr 2012 00:26:15
YOU'RE ALL SO NEGATIVE TRY AND LOOK FOR THE POSITIVES......LIKE AT LEAST WE HAVE STOPPED THESE STUPID DRAWS
Here's another one, our home form is now as good as our away form.
-Shane.
The positive for me is that the FA Cup is an absolute must now - to restore some pride back into the club. To win the FA Cup now will be a great effort with Everton and Chelsea/Spurs in our way.
LIVERPRES
02 Apr 2012 00:18:37
Would John Henry sell the club for £280million and go back to america. If another investor turned up with money to build a new stadium. We need someone in charge that will build us a new stadium. 90'000 seater stadium could be built for less than £200 million. New investor would be willing to put 480million into the club.
As I figure it, John Henry lot havn't put their hands in their own pocket yet for player purchases. It is a pipe dream if we expect some mystery sponsorship deal to cover the cost of new stadium. The club should be sold on to someone who is willing to invest money into building a new stadium.
You're obviously not up to date with financing for a stadium. The proposed option for a new stadium (The stadium being 60,000 seats) was £300 million. You're asking for an added 30,000 which means you on logical sense looking at another £150 million. Unless of course you just want to skip all that safety nonsense and build the foundations out of straw.
~RedBhoy John
90.000 ffs at 60.000 you will be giving away around 10-15.000 free tickets each week to fill the place,problem is who would want them
02 Apr 2012 00:02:55
I want attacking free flowing football back. Something that Rafa could never do
Yeah but under Rafa in Europe, we are way better than this, we have beated big guns during his time.
Real, barca, Milan, juv.......etc etc
Dont let the facts get in the way we did play some great football under rafa at times but hey lets just go by what the media say they allways tell the truth and they love liverpool dont they
soul man
We scored 100 goals one season under Rafa and missed Torres and Gerrard for large parts of the season - how often have we done that in recent years?
Free attacking play??? football matters only one thing...u win or loose...not the way they play..u play good football..then u should win..and common..I can show u more than 10 games thsi season..where we were awful...absolute rubbish.....
02 Apr 2012 00:02:01
Would fans rather lose 5v4 to newcastle today? would they be happy losing in style. Lots of goals and attacking end to end play.
Yes!
Rather go down fighting, than pathetic capitulation.
02 Apr 2012 00:00:50
Bernd Schuster- would make for a great attacking minded manager. The german managed Real Madrid in 2007. He just need a club that believe in his style of play.
01 Apr 2012 23:56:10
After reading some of the posts in regards to people wanting Rafa back, I thought I'd post my views.
Rafa is a fantastic tactical manager, Kenny is a great man-manager. Kenny looks tactically inept on times. I saw him numerous times on the touch line today, going to say something and then retract his orders. My mate who is a Spurs fan said the same about him, he doesn't have the tactical knowledge to change a game. 2-0 down, chasing the game and still no subs until the 75th minute.
What people don't realise is we have at best an average team. Let's not forget that Rafa guided us to a European cup win with a team arguably a lot worse than what we have now. If he could do that with that team in 2005, imagine what he could do with this side. Plus the restructuring of the Academy was implemented by Rafa, and he was the man who brought Kenny back to oversee youth development. Look at some of the players now compared to 05..
Reina better than Dudek
Enrique better than Traore
Suarez better than Baros
Downing better than Kewell
Bellamy better than Sinama-Pongolle/Neil Mellor
And the list would probably go on.
Read Gerrard's autobiography, he thinks the world of Rafa. Rafa lost it after continued conflict between himself, Rick Parry and the 2 cowboys. He cracked under an awful regime, but all he wanted was what was best for the club. I think a lot of players now who played under Rafa have a lot of respect for him and would take him back in an instant. Rafa seemed to get the best out of a lot of players. Yes he made some awful signings, but look at Hodgson and Dalglish since he left...
Paul Konchesky
Christian Poulsen
Charlie Adam
Jordan Henderson
Andy Carroll
Just to name a few. All managers make bad judgements, Everyone, no matter what job/career you have will make mistakes. It's called a learning curve.
The only good signings since Rafa left are Enrique, Bellamy and Suarez. And let's not forget, we all have been praising Lucas a lot and how much have we missed him? Rafa bought him for £6-8m and stuck by him. Rafa gave him the opportunity and now he's taken it, Rafa deserves some credit.
I personally like Downing a lot and think he needs more of a run but he's being judged on assists but the problem isn't crossing, we have a high percentage of crosses, it's no one taking the chances that's the problem.
Rafa loves the club and the city. He still lives in the Wirral and no doubt will be at Anfield in 2 weeks times for the Hillsbrough Memorial service. No other manger donated £96,000 to the trust and that was after he had left. You watch the video of him in the one he attended when Margaret Aspinall thanked him, he broke down listening to it and hearing the fans chant his name again.
Like so many people, I would love Kenny to make a success of this opportunity but it's the league and champions league us fans crave. Yes it's fantastic to win trophies after all those years but at least with Rafa we were in the CL and getting to the latter stages year on year. 2 finals in 2 years with effectively 2 different squads isn't luck. I would welcome him back under a stable ownership who we need to back whoever the new manager is. Also, referring back to my Spurs friend, he said the best thing Spurs did was get rid of Comolli. Wasted a lot of money on crap signings and if he is in charge of signings then I'm sorry, his position should be just as untenable as Dalglish's. He would have had a day in appointing Dalglish, just like he had a say in Juande Ramos for Tottenham and look how that turned out. So, I say, leave Dalgiah in charge for the remainder of the season. Let him finish off what he started in the FA Cup and see how we go, then move him to a new position within the club and bring back the 'fat Spanish waiter' in the summer. At least we will have a new passionate, tactically astute manager with European experience and great ability to get the best out of players back. On the flip side of the coin, bringing back a former manager might not be the best of ideas.....
That's my opinion, make of it what you will. Lots will agree, lots will slate me but one thing is for sure, a management restructure and player reshuffling is a major need for this summer.
Jonny.
We all know Rafa was good but all our play back then just needed a suarez to complete it, and are you forgetting the alonso thing!? I'd be happy with him back but i'm be disapointed to see kenny go without his 3 years in charge
Rafa as a assitant would be amazing, but he'd never go that low not even for liverpool success
Cup competitions are different to the league. We failed in most league seasons but thrived in most cups. We have been a cup team for ages and will continue that mentality until we get some decent players.
BthekingB
01 Apr 2012 23:55:48
I suppose if the saying "you learn more in defeat than victory" is true the we are learning a lot. That's a positive ha only one I can think of right now. Oh well there is always next season, it can't get much worse surely. Keep the faith.
It can get worse man utd went down and look at leeds.