Liverpool Banter Archive July 02 2015

 

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02 Jul 2015 23:16:01
Thank the Lord konoplyanka will never be mentioned again . Done

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03 Jul 2015 00:01:18
He will. We thought the same with Torres, Alonso, Turan, but transfer window after transfer window fans still don't give up.

Red Rum

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03 Jul 2015 04:25:50
What are you talking about, we are going to sign Turan.

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02 Jul 2015 23:11:04
So Benteke seems to be our only Striker target right now, but are we looking to improve any other areas still? Any interest shown in a Defensive midfielder recently?

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03 Jul 2015 00:12:44
I want to use words that are not allowed on this page. Edds, I don't know how you do it. RTFP they have said over and over where our intrest is placed. They have talked about Kovacik and how he would likely play in the hole as a dm and where those negotiations are. This question has been asked no less than thirty times today.

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02 Jul 2015 22:53:13
it's been very quiet on her for the last couple of days! surprising really considering we're linked with anyone whose kicked a ball in the last 5 years. And amid the Benteke speculation. Beecy on Talksport says it's a goer so must be true.

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03 Jul 2015 06:43:10
Beecy on talk sport? I also think that the deal is close and were clearly after him mate as confirmed by Ed002. Its just the figure we need to meet now.

As regards to other players? I can't see many more arriving. We need to move on some players now as the squad is bloated.

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02 Jul 2015 21:25:36
Benteke

Will there be a wavering of opinion if Louis the 2nd was to suddenly announce the virtues of young christian as the saviour of the sworn enemy,

For sure he has the stammerer.


YNWA

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02 Jul 2015 21:59:52
he's certainly got my vote. Looking forward to his likely arrival.

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02 Jul 2015 22:19:30
I love riddles

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02 Jul 2015 23:35:00
What has it got to do with Van Gaal???

Weird.

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02 Jul 2015 23:59:38
If United want him they are welcome to bid for him. If we end up with him, I hope he does well for us.

Red Rum

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02 Jul 2015 21:46:11
Hello ed02,

you have explained the situation with Kovacic time and time again, for which we all are extremely grateful!
I am not sure how to phrase the next question, but here it goes - do you think that this deal will go through before the end of the window?
I know you do not like to respond to "likely" questions, but there would appear to be an impass on the terms of the deal proposed to Inter, and we have no way to know how big it actually is - will Liverpool actually be able to afford to accept Inter's terms after the likely purchase of Benteke?

Again, thanks for all the info you are giving!

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{Ed002's Note - They are talking to other clubs now. Liverpool don't want to pay a premium for the player which makes it difficult.}

02 Jul 2015 22:04:00
I think we need to move on from him Drigan tbh mate. We're well stacked in that area also aren't we.

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02 Jul 2015 22:07:22
OK ed. gutted, as I really had my hopes for the lad.
Could you, by chance, reveal which these other clubs are? Arsenal and Barcelona, which you mentioned previous?
In any case, thanks for the update, and have a pleasant evening!

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02 Jul 2015 21:22:18
I can't wait until we sign Benteke get our inbound transfers wrapped up before the window opens, then have to deal with people asking about constant links to players for a month we've no intention of buying as the chequebook will be closed.

Once you minus the QPR portion of the Sterling fee from the total, that probably covers the Benteke outlay by itself. Which will mean we'll have to sell all the excess squad players to cover as much of Firmino, Clyne, Ings, Gomez fees as possible.

Coates, Aspas, Alberto, Lambert will probably cover Gomez, Ings fee. Borini, Balotelli will go some way to cover Clyne fee, pay off Enrique before he turns Moreno into a clown! Then I would hope we sell Skrtel, Allen to minimise the hit from Firmino.

Simple as really

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02 Jul 2015 23:54:51
and this is why we don't talk about money.

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03 Jul 2015 09:07:27
I bet ed002 had a chuckle at this.

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02 Jul 2015 20:59:56
More of a general question rather than an immediate day-to-day one, but I was wondering if there's been any credible rumours recently (i.e. over the past few months/season) about us having a Director of Football, or a near-equivalent - and if so, have there been any specific names suggested?

Ta.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Jul 2015 20:33:27
Hi eds

With ac milan buying bacca and adriano, would el sharawaary be an option for us?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Jul 2015 19:42:29
Question for the eds if u have time.
what do u think of eduardo vargas ?
i doubt he would cost half of what benteke would and i'm sure he would fit a high pressing game better?
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - He has struggled for goals for a while and is yet another player that Liverpool has no interest in. Liverpool's interest in a new striker is elsewhere.}

02 Jul 2015 20:19:05
Thanks for the reply ed. I know we have no interest in him i'm just baffled at the amount of money we seem likely to throw at benteke,it smacks of carrol. I don't understand why our scouts can't find a more suitable striker. Ings is more suited and i hope he gets a chance and support from the stands.

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{Ed002's Note - I am sure by now Benteke is well aware that all of the Liverpool fans don't think he is good enough.}

02 Jul 2015 21:02:06
Im not saying i don't rate benteke the blokes a machine that played to correctly will score goals for fun. We have balotelli and lambert for plan b and that didnt/doesnt work but never the less il get behind who ever we sign.

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02 Jul 2015 21:11:29
I don't get all the fans saying he ain't good enough, we need to give the lad a chance. Imo he's going to do well and score a lot of goals in our shirt.

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03 Jul 2015 06:57:20
There isn't many people on here who said he is not good enough more he is not the type of striker we need.

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02 Jul 2015 19:31:43
Ed s any idea if we ate considering toby Alderweild ? I know we chase plenty of because but I really rate him. Did so while still at ajar. I'd gladly sell lovren if it meant Alderweild coming in .

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{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool are not part of anything involving TA. Liverpool are overrun with CBs and have already added another one this summer, and are stuck unable to sell Ilori as well. The only one to leave was out on loan.}

02 Jul 2015 20:02:34
Following Ilori good display at the U21 Euro it seems odd that we cannot offload him and recoup our money. ? Is the reason that we are asking too much?

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{Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

02 Jul 2015 20:58:11
Surely we need more players Ed?

;-)

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02 Jul 2015 23:47:20
I wouldn't want illori to go hope he gets a chance as I said re Alderweild I'd be happy to see lovren go and toby come in skrtel can go to for me so less not more!!!!!.

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03 Jul 2015 05:35:32
Why is alder weird any better than lovren? Tthey pretty much did the same job for Southampton. What's the point in chopping and changing players after one season? Given some confidence lovren will do fine.

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02 Jul 2015 17:23:18
Question for Ed001 if he's about. Soz if you ever answered this before, but who do you believe will become the better all round player in the future between Sterling and Ibe? Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - I have always though Ibe was a better player, I never understood why it was Sterling that was given the first dibs on a place. Ibe is everything Sterling is but turned up a notch + raw power. I have said it since before either got a chance with us. There is no doubt in my mind that Ibe is now better and will become much better in the future.}

02 Jul 2015 18:59:48
Do you think the staff at the club see Ibe as better than Sterling?

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02 Jul 2015 20:06:18
I agree Ed. Ibe genuinely has you on the edge of your seat sometimes.

His performance in the Derby was outstanding given his age, experience and the occasion.

He could easily knock expensive signings out of the starting XI.

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02 Jul 2015 20:24:27
Cheers Ed, i agree, i think his end product will be better than Sterling's ams his off and on field temperament

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02 Jul 2015 20:40:48
I don't disagree with anything that has been said. I said the same about jordan 2 years ago. However, let's not down play how good sterling is and can be. On his day and with confidence he is unplayable and will be a big loss to the team. Of course given the same opportunity jordan may have gone past sterling, but i feel the low key introduction may benefit him. Give him time to develop outside the intense spotlight of the media frenzy that always comes with slightly better than average players which invariably swells their already swollen egos. Daniel has taken jordan under his wing and he seems to still be humble

I firmly believe that firmino is currently better than sterling but not sure if he has peaked in terms of his development or whether there is more to come. But he will be an excellent player for us for years to come i hope.

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02 Jul 2015 21:43:14
Always been a fan of ibe every since he came to us as a kid.

Ibe has everything where as sterling just relies on his pace.

Also ed I'd imagine sterling got first dibs down to the fact he's slightly older.

But IMO its worked out well because the media have bigged sterling up to be this 50mil man.

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02 Jul 2015 18:41:25
article on the echo, about how the liverpool transfer committe works.

http://goo.gl/etuuBv

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02 Jul 2015 21:28:27
Thanks Teddy, I almost expected a link to a 1980's PG Tips commercial. :-)

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02 Jul 2015 22:22:22
That made me titter Ron

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02 Jul 2015 23:02:24
Brilliant Ron. just brilliant. thank you :)

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02 Jul 2015 23:54:28
Ed, is there something wrong with the link, this was not the link I posted

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea - try it out.}

03 Jul 2015 00:15:58
Ron, do you still back Rodgers? Not spoiling for a fight, genuinely interested in why you would grant him another season. Cheers

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03 Jul 2015 00:20:36
This was not the link I posted . it must have been blocked or something

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03 Jul 2015 06:56:22
Teddy, the link worked ok when I used it.

On Rodgers: Yes I still support him. That will remain the case as long as he is LFC manager, save for exceptional circumstances.
He wasn't my choice at the time, but he's here now and I think he deserves more time because of what he achieved in 2013/14. i.e. Thrilling attacking football the best I've seen since 1987/88 plus the closest we've come to winning the title since 1990.
Some will counter that 2013/14 was all down to Suarez. I'd have 3 comments about that: firstly, Suarez missed the first 5 league games (6 in total). Secondly Suarez credits Rodgers with his success at LFC, if you read his quotes, and the statistics support this. Rodgers was instrumental in keeping Suarez in summer 2013 and got him to play at that high level despite his 6 game ban and keeping a player against his will. Not many managers have achieved that. Thirdly, I would say look at all the other unexpected amazing performers that season : Hendo, Sterling, Sturridge, Flanno. He even managed to create a schedule to keep Sturridge fit which was ruined by team England last August.
Everything he did wrong in 2014/15 does not cancel 2013/14 out in my opinion.

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair only the clueless were surprised that Sterling, Sturridge and Hendo played well. Though in Hendo's case he was just a target for boo boys for some bizarre reason. Flanno is the only unexpected one really.

As for the rest, this season he will have no excuses, now he finally has good coaching staff to work with. Fingers crossed.}

03 Jul 2015 07:30:57
I agree he has no excuses, another poor season will be 3 out of 4 and time for change.

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02 Jul 2015 18:33:52
Im actually feeling positive about the new season at last. I Like the new coaching additions, which will help Brendan a lot and give him some great advice. i'm actually coming around to the idea of Benteke aswell. Watched a few of his goals and games, and if he turns up in games will be such a handful for defenders, who will have to be careful with Coutinho and Firmino behind. Roll on pre season.

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02 Jul 2015 19:01:55
I agree re Benteke. At first I was completely against the idea but now I am very open to the idea. He may not be my first choice but my mind is definitely changing about him!

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02 Jul 2015 20:16:10
I agree, has has the attributes just needs the application. I also think ings will do well with us with coutinho and firmino providing the ammo.

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02 Jul 2015 20:19:25
Typical LFC response, oh I love Benteke now.

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02 Jul 2015 21:06:07
Fickle - definition - Dorset Red

"Dorset red was irrational in their thinking, and changed his/her mind like a whores drawers"

Moaner (noun) - definition - Dorset Red

"Dorset red could moan like a whore's clout"

Dorset red - Definition - A fickle moaner.

"A fickle whore wouldn't stand a chance"

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03 Jul 2015 00:54:47
Thanks Davey always appreciated mate.

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02 Jul 2015 17:23:49
Are we still interested in shaqiri heard everton have made a bid.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Jul 2015 18:45:07
Poor ed :((

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02 Jul 2015 15:34:00
Iv not seen or heard anything but just got a feeling Arsenal are going to come in for Sterling, he would probably prefer moving back to London and his game would suit them more than City, if they do get involved i'd like to see Walcott or Ox being used as part of the bargining

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{Ed002's Note - It is cash Liverpool need.}

02 Jul 2015 20:35:36
Could do with the cash for Sterling eds right?

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{Ed002's Note - Up to now I assumed you were dropped on your head as a child, but I rather suspect now that you were repeatedly banged on the ground using your head as a child.}

02 Jul 2015 21:11:48
Go easy eds I actually think you're right and I think he probably is only 14 months too

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02 Jul 2015 22:49:24
I really think Scousebag/desmondo or whatever other name he goes by thinks that Ed002 is his personal assistant. Ready to answer the same boring questions over and over again. I do agree with Ed002's assumption tho.

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02 Jul 2015 15:08:45
are stoke trying to buy ballo ?

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{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware - is this Twitter?}

02 Jul 2015 16:03:33
Rumour started on Reddit.

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{Ed002's Note - I have not heard of that before. What happened to the Koptalk or whatever that the fat kid was running - nobody mentions it any more. Is it still going?

02 Jul 2015 16:11:06
Koptalk started the whole liverpool takeover nonsense - the fat chap is still at it.

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{Ed002's Note - Maybe the new owners will take him on to replace Susan Black?}

02 Jul 2015 16:23:27
Hahah fat Dunc. I'm sure he stated the rumor about Liverpool selling us to the Arabs , the other day and to think some people pay £30 to be filled with absolute nonsense.

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02 Jul 2015 17:01:42
Reddit is like a forum with sub-forums and reddit.com/r/soccer decided to start a rumour about Balo to Stoke in order to see which media outlets or 'ITK' people picked it up. For example footyblog.net and some twitter guy picked it up.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks - people should not bring that stuff here really.}

02 Jul 2015 21:35:29
The story also ran in the guardian, one of the mancs at work claims it's really reliable. then I read the rumour lol

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02 Jul 2015 22:58:35
"It's always tough playing away on a rainy night in Stoke" - not with Mario playing for them! He's the epitome of what Stoke is not.

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02 Jul 2015 14:42:39
Hi eds,

Benteke now charts, top striker list for us.

What is the advantage of benteke over balotelli,

Mario was also scoring with similar rate in milan.

He is very good in air, quick and has strong shooting skills.

The disadvantage when buying was that mario may not suit our style. same is the concern with benteke.

Apart from southampton players all other players were bought from other leagues. last season.

But this season we bought all players with pl experience.

Is that the advantage of benteke. ?

Thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - The subject has been done to death. There is no comparison.}

02 Jul 2015 15:15:34
werent the majority of ballotellis goals at milan pens?

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02 Jul 2015 15:24:19
Don't think balo played anywhere near the same amount of games as benteke

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02 Jul 2015 15:46:42
What is the advantage of benteke over balotelli

If you ask this you've clearly haven't watched enough of either. I don't exactly want Benteke but I can tell the differecne when both are on ''form'' and see who turns up more often

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02 Jul 2015 14:21:27
Hi eds, i know you give a breakdown before of likely incomings and players we looked at. Can you give us an indication of outgoings and where they might be off to?

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answers please.}

02 Jul 2015 13:31:21
For any of the Ed's, I know there has been recent talk of relaxing certain aspects of the FFP regulations. In regards to Liverpool, do we currently still have ongoing FFP concerns as you Ed's have mentioned previously and will we still have such ongoing concerns even if the said relaxation of certain aspects of FFP happen? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Of course. The proposed change makes no difference to Liverpool.}

02 Jul 2015 19:25:45
That was a disagree for eds comment

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{Ed002's Note - Sure - are you going to explain then - tell us about how it can possibly make any difference to Liverpool? What Liverpool has planned?}

02 Jul 2015 20:08:37
Cheers sienna0 for clarifying because I was scratching my head wondering about that disagree

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{Ed002's Note - He has not clarified anything - it makes sense to remove these buttons again.}

02 Jul 2015 23:33:19
Yeah okay I wasnt 100% obvious with my sarcasm

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02 Jul 2015 13:26:05
Hi Ed002,
I thought Origi would be given a chance this season. Any truth in rumours he`ll spend another season on loan? thanks

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{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it Tom.}

02 Jul 2015 17:38:33
stop bringing up that origi was voted in the worse team of the year, let's give him a chance rather than hoping he gets loaned out

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02 Jul 2015 13:11:46
Hi eds do you think benteke will be a red come the start of the season? Also do u think we will loan Ibe out for a season to gain more premiership experience with all the player we have in his position right now can't see him playing regularly and he's got great potential to be a key player for the future.

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{Ed001's Note - looks likely yes, no.}

02 Jul 2015 15:24:00
Eds
Have my reservations that Benteke is the best choice for us, but assuming that he does sign,do you see us buying anyone else?

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{Ed002's Note - Give us a break on asking this same stupid question over and over - I have explained where there is interest. The inability of many of the Liverpool fans to read and digest that and the constant anal moaning from the knuckle-draggers about how poor the signings are, what a waste of money they all are, how many more players will be signed, about why nothing happened overnight etc. is extremely tedious and such posts will simply be deleted from now on.}

02 Jul 2015 16:21:35
please delete these tedious posts! It is frustrating to read the same stuff over so god only knows how you put up with it. But thanks for the work you guys do

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02 Jul 2015 16:32:34
Are you saying we are not entitled to voice an opinion on a potential signing?

I know I'm not the only person here who had doubts about Benteke, especially for the amount of money Villa seem to be looking for.

Finally, believe it or not, I am capable of reading and understanding posts here, but sometimes the information is contradictory so we ask for clarification.
If my question bothers you, there's nothing forcing you to answer. So maybe try that, rather than being rude and obnoxious.

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{Ed002's Note - Well if you are as bright as you think you are, you should be able find someone with half a brain to read what I wrote to you very slowly - and then you could learn to avoid asking the DF questions.}

03 Jul 2015 09:39:52
.......lies and abuse removed............. The funny thing is i don't think this will be posted and if it is you will most likely provide an angry/sarcastic response.

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{Ed002's Note - You are right it did not get posted. Opening another account and then lying is simply embarrassing the Liverpool fans further. I am truly astonished that you want to do this because it is this sort of behaviour that does make the Liverpool fans a laughing stock in the eyes of those from other pages.

The editors make a lot of effort to provide these pages and people like myself give my time for free. You of course are simply a pitiful excuse for a human being that is doing no more than hiding behind yet another account and trolling the site. Your abuse is not something the editors like to read - but it is the decent Liverpool fans you are hurting by being such an embarrassment in the name of the club. I am sorry they have to see this response.}

02 Jul 2015 13:24:40
Question for ed 1,
With the obvious interest in Benteke, who would be your preferable choice in that position for the money being asked of him? Of the players potentially available, thanks

Big Dan Glebals

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{Ed001's Note - Higuain probably.}

02 Jul 2015 14:44:53
I always liked Jackson Martinez, although I think he has now signed for Atletico

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02 Jul 2015 15:18:52
Higuain would be mine aswell, was he seriously considered before going for Benteke or was he not keen on the move?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

02 Jul 2015 19:29:40
Higuain would cost a lot more than benteke! Still don't think we will agree a fee with villa for him anyway! Do you really believe liverpool will sign him eds?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, there is every chance a deal will be completed.}

02 Jul 2015 13:05:56
So if sterling goes to city does that give us opportunity to sign Pedro?

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02 Jul 2015 13:25:07
We've already replaced Sterling, we're apparently thrashing out a deal for Benteke, so where would we get the money for Pedro? Do we even need him with what's already been signed and potentially may sign?

Would seem like a waste of money for me, if we needed him then it would be a good signing.

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02 Jul 2015 13:36:50
Think we have adequate replacements mate

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02 Jul 2015 13:37:20
Maybe we worry about how we're going to play our other 13 attacking players when he's gone.

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02 Jul 2015 16:08:20
What you need to be worried about is how we will move players on and find suitable loan deals for the youth players instead of worring about buying more players without the slightest idea where we will play them or who they will replace in the current squad

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02 Jul 2015 13:02:19
First time poster, had to acknowledge the bio of new coach, absolutely brilliant attitude to man management. As ex RN, we were always taught the experts in charge, irrespective of rank, that's how it should be on the pitch, the player with the ball decided where it goes. Sorry about typos. YNWA

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02 Jul 2015 14:12:20
The difference between the top 1% and the rest is in the head. If he can get the players thinking then the good players will become excellent and the excellent can rise to world class

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02 Jul 2015 12:36:32
Eds, what is your opinion on benteke? do you think he will fit in and suit our style of play??

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{Ed001's Note - it really depends on him. He has all the ability, pace, power, skill, strength, but he underutilises his ability. Sometimes he just can't be bothered. If we get a Benteke that can be bothered, then he will be excellent. If we get the lamppost that just wants to wait for the ball to be delivered exactly where he wants it, then no. This is not as certain as the Balotelli transfer, as Balotelli had shown many times that he really can't be bothered and was not interested in being a team player. Benteke is capable of playing as part of a team, he just needs a lot of work on his movement in the main, as it is poor.}

02 Jul 2015 13:19:05
Could some of that lack of desire be due his frustration playing in that villa team? I would hope that playing with higher calibre players would make him realise he has to give his all otherwise he losses his spot.

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{Ed001's Note - he has shown even less desire for his country, which is the major worry, that it is not down to issues within the club.}

02 Jul 2015 13:44:22
Ed001 but could it be down to the way villa play. I feel that Villa coaches prefer their team to stay back and counter the opposition and rarely they try to press the ball higher up the pitch. But yeah his movement is not great but with the recent appointments of coachinf staff i hope he learns to be clever with his movements.

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{Ed001's Note - I am basing that on how he played prior to Villa and for Belgium as well. The way a team plays should not affect his movement anyway. Poor coaching might mess with it, but not tactics, as there are other bits of movement that should still show than the pure tactical instructions.}

02 Jul 2015 16:19:44
I posted the eact same thing yeaterday, Ed. He has the ability and talent and is quite lethal when on his game. It`s all the other stuff that needs work as in the FA Cup final, he just couldn`t be arsed to even try in games and that is just down to attitude and desire and nothing more. One can accept failure if you give your all BUT failure w/o even trying? NO WAY! Maybe playing for a big club with better coaches, better pplayers and bigger expectations will light that fire in him to get better because the talent is defo there. here`s to hoping because like it or not, he will be a Liverpool player in the end so we need to help him be great as we did with the other top strikers who have shone here

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02 Jul 2015 12:19:21
Hi eds, I have a question for you in the hope you will shed some light on it. It is long known that Liverpool and Man utd haven't transferred players between the 2 clubs for about 50 years. My question is what happened between the 2 clubs to cause transfers to cease. Thankyou

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{Ed001's Note - rivalry. That is all it is.}

02 Jul 2015 11:33:21
Apart from benteke which strikers are we currently interested in??

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{Ed002's Note - Benteke is the target.}

02 Jul 2015 16:20:03
And the only one.

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02 Jul 2015 10:59:15
If we do sign benteke then we all need to get behind him, he's proved he can score goals 49 In 99 games in a poor villa team can't really argue with that!!!

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02 Jul 2015 12:05:42
You can manipulate stats the way you want them though. I won't go and find any because I don't want to look like I'm against him(I'm not), just saying is all.

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02 Jul 2015 12:23:19
But the stats he just mentioned are pretty basic? They speak for themselves really.

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02 Jul 2015 12:43:58
49 in 99, most of which for a Paul Lambert team is pretty darn good.

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{Ed001's Note - it is but those stats do not tell the full story. I mean Villa were built around a system of getting the ball to Benteke at every opportunity, which is not what will happen with us. So we shouldn't expect the same kind of goal return. If he gets 10+ goals a season, that will be a good return for a player who is not the focal point.}

02 Jul 2015 12:44:46
hsf - I get it now.

6-1 was just Stoke manipulating the stats to make themselves look good.

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02 Jul 2015 13:13:30
yes harry, Stoke won 6-1. did they win the league? no.

pretty much hsf's point.

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02 Jul 2015 13:22:45
Boom! - really? Ok.

You could manipulate that too, you can make it look like Stoke were better than Barcelona on that day, or that we were worse than Blackpool on the day.

For example, you could highlight the fact that Liverpool had shocking passing stats, or you could say that Stoke forced us into passing mistakes.

You could say that Liverpool had a poor conversation rate against Manchester United(in the 3-0 away loss) or you could say that De Gea had a worldy.

You see where this is going?

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02 Jul 2015 13:25:25
I don't understand why he wouldn't be the focal point. Aren't you supposed to feed your striker? If he plays 40 games I'd expect nearer 20 goals than 10 goals as he'll be playing in a team that creates more chances?

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{Ed001's Note - he wouldn't be the focal point because he will be playing alongside Coutinho, Firmino, Sturridge, for starters, that are going to be the ones the ball will go to first.}

02 Jul 2015 13:41:43
Does anybody know how many of his Villa goals came from penalties?

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02 Jul 2015 14:04:32
6 penalties according to transfermarkt

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02 Jul 2015 16:28:14
Ed, which is why he will REALLY have to up his game and show desire to improve in order to be a focal point of that system by being an integral part of that system just like LS was. LS was the focal point yet was a part of the system hence, his high assist numbers. I sure hope he can do that because if not, God help us with another Andy carroll situation to deal with

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02 Jul 2015 10:11:25
Eds, could you give us a run down on who we are looking to sell and who will realistically move on this window? All in all I'm glad we have purchased early doors to try and get the team to gel but our squad is massive and needs to be trimmed.

Baz

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{Ed023's Note - This has been answered a number of times Baz but I'll give it a go:

Sebastian Coates - Sold Sunderland.
Iago Aspas - Sold Sevilla then moved to Celta Vigo
Fabio Borini
Mario Balotelli
Rickie Lambert
Jose Enrique
Luis Alberto
Raheem Sterling

I think Skrtel and Allen should be added to that list}

02 Jul 2015 11:02:03
Lambert will go to Palace.

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02 Jul 2015 11:05:23
I can't argue with one name on that list

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02 Jul 2015 11:41:19
Yup I'd like our final piece of business to be replacing Skerts.

Lucas should stay and teach Can how to play DM.
Markovic should stay and be given a chance in the Europa League.

Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana, Ibe, Markovic. Wow!
Raheem who!? :)

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02 Jul 2015 13:34:45
If we start against stoke with skrtel then all hope is lost. He is the weak link at the back. With Ilori performing well, wisdom returning and Gomez wanting too prove himself in preseason there's no need for skrtel.

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02 Jul 2015 15:52:35
@RedKev, I'd like us to sell Skrtel but we definitely wouldn't need to buy a replacement. We have plenty of centre backs already and it's about time we started to use some of the players we have.

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02 Jul 2015 16:30:16
We are literally dripping wet with CB`s so why replace him whele we have 6 CB`s still here after his departure? You don`t have to replace every player you sell especially, the poor ones. That`s not how you build a squad or first team.

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02 Jul 2015 18:45:45
I heard a rumour that Allen was being offered back to Swansea at a significant loss.

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02 Jul 2015 19:41:21
Not sure if he would be an upgrade on them. They have gotten significantly better since he left and he hasn`t since he got here so don`t know if that will happen. The Ed01 did say to take that rumour with a pich of salt

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02 Jul 2015 10:05:44
Hi Eds. Are we linked with any DM's should Lucas be sold?

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{Ed002's Note - Can.}

02 Jul 2015 10:44:40
Haha. I really hope we put up the money get this kid, he will be perfect to play behind Hendo & Milner.

In other news, now that we have Clyne a buyer is being sought to flog our right-back Emre Can to. He's rubbish. ;)

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02 Jul 2015 16:31:57
Yes, i want the RB version flogged off and would gladly sign the DM or CM version of Emre Can. Oh wait, he`s already here.

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02 Jul 2015 10:07:15
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Could Liverpool Have Got The Right Man At The Right Time

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02 Jul 2015 10:18:16
I think everyone should read this before slagging off o'driscoll this is very well written and actually very inspiring and gives a very good outlay on someone who clearly Liverpool are lacking! could be the best signing of the summer!

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02 Jul 2015 10:45:03
Excellent article, bravo

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02 Jul 2015 10:32:55
Did you write that ed001?
It's a good article and will ease a few of the fears on here who don't know him yet.

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{Ed001's Note - I really like the coaching team being put together, O'Driscoll and Linders look a great combination to me.}

02 Jul 2015 10:56:32
Great piece ed, i guess to summarise you could say linders will improve their feet and o'driscoll will improve their brains.

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02 Jul 2015 11:24:58
I think their coaching could be the difference in us reaching the top 4, if the players catch on quick, as it says last year they looked like Wayne Rooney trying to add 2+2 at some of the tactics

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02 Jul 2015 11:45:12
From the first line I thought I had missed something major and he had come in to replace Rodgers!

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02 Jul 2015 11:45:48
Great insight though - know his CV but not too much about the man so this helps understand who we have coming in

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02 Jul 2015 12:02:15
Hi Ed001, do you think the improvement in coaching via O'Driscoll and Linders will be enough to overcome BR's tactical deficiencies though? I fear it's merely shifting the deckchairs on the Titanic kinda stuff

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{Ed001's Note - if the players are using their initiative, as they should be, then Rodgers' deficiencies will be lessened. For instance when Can was targeted, the players should have figured out for themselves to swop around so Skrtel man marked Fellaini to negate the tactic.}

02 Jul 2015 12:38:28
Great article ed001,

I can't help but think that with the skills and coaching you say pep & sean will bring that sterling would have really benefited from them. it's absolutely time for him to go with what's gone on but i think they may have taken him to the next couple of levels!

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02 Jul 2015 13:02:26
Hi Edoo1 it was a great article . Also by having Pepjin Ljinders working along with Sean 'O Driscoll & Rodgers he can learn a lot. Ed001 in previous posts u have mentioned that Pepjin was considered to be future head coach material, so in this way it is a good way to groom him.

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{Ed001's Note - I agree, get Pepjin ready for a future head coach role, hopefully with us.}

02 Jul 2015 15:55:33
@87red, very good point there. Sterling is unlikely to care and may not realise this until years down the line.

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02 Jul 2015 15:55:33
@87red, very good point there. Sterling is unlikely to care and may not realise this until years down the line.

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02 Jul 2015 16:58:58
Excellently put. he certainly sounds like a great asset to our management team.
Let's back them all now.

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02 Jul 2015 17:13:08
Ed, that was an awesome read. His methods are so progressive and with Pep by his side who believes in the same approaches, The players will only improve. Could it be that the owners did all this to have a structure in place so if/when BR is sacked, the players don`t look lost and will already be well-versed in the system so no dropoff in perfs will happen? Thoughts, Ed01?

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{Ed001's Note - or perhaps they hope, which seems the likeliest, that the things Rodgers is weakest at will now be covered by the strengths of the new people. Whereas before they were all pretty much strong in the same areas of the game. Fingers crossed it works like that, for all Rodgers tendency to put his foot in his mouth and the stupid fake tan and blinding teeth etc, we would all much prefer to see him stay in charge for a long time, as that would mean the club was successful. I don't care if I like him or loathe him, all I care about is whether he is the right man for the club to move forward. I am hoping that with this new coaching structure we will see the club move forward.}

02 Jul 2015 17:13:37
Great article Ed001, I've said for a while now that the players themselves need to take responsibility when on the pitch and be able to think for themselves in terms of what to do next (Obviously within a tactical framework).Too many times have i watched players constantly looking to the bench or other player's for clarification with a rather confused look on their face. It was similar in the end of Rafa's era given that he had so many in depth tactical systems to employ that the team just looked like chess pieces on a board ready to be informed of their next move. This philosophy of the new coaching set up sounds really promising and i hope it gives the player's more confidence within the game and allows them to play to their strengths. Here's hoping for a brighter season.

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{Ed001's Note - that was one of my main bugbears with Rafa too. He wanted too much control over the players on the pitch, instead of letting them off the leash. The time he did let them off the leash it was great to watch.}

02 Jul 2015 09:54:59
Eds any idea if the Augustinsson interest is real?
I watched the U21 final (Ilori had a solid game) and Augustinsson has a lovely left foot. His crossing is dangerous and his penalty was unstoppable.

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02 Jul 2015 10:40:42
Uhm, so are Liverpool interested?
Thanks

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02 Jul 2015 12:18:02
Interested - probably. We are interested in a lot of players. If you find the exact quotes of his agent, you will see that he said we were scouting the lad - that's not too much to go by.
Rumours yesterday that Aston Villa are pushing for a deal. It seems Liverpool are looking for a young LB, but whether Ludwig is the choice is anyone's guess.

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02 Jul 2015 09:35:19
Really can't fault FSG in this transfer window and I know we can't buy every player out there but would Carvalho be wonderful - a truly beast like DM that we have been crying out for.

As I've posted in the past, look at all the best teams in Europe (esp the prem) and they have all prioritised this position regardless of the rest of the te style of play. You can still play a high pressing game with a DM indeed you need it more given the spaces that can be left. You can't undo what's happened and we joe have some great midfielders but someone will get a wonderful player who will be the bedrock of their midfield for the next decade (seems like an FSG type of player to me).

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02 Jul 2015 09:37:54
Wow that was a quick post, thanks - need to check the predictive text next time.

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02 Jul 2015 09:57:28
If you could have Carvalho and no additional striker and no Lucas, would you take it?

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02 Jul 2015 10:15:09
Nice question and a hard one indeed.

Remember we still have Ings, Origi, Sinclair and Sturridge (not to mention the ones likely to leave) to come back. Also with the amount of attacking midfielders we have you would have to say that one out and out striker is likely to be the formation - backed up with Llanala, Ibe, Formino, Coutinho, (Sterling?) so I would go for Carvalho who as I said could be the DM rock for a decade.

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02 Jul 2015 10:34:50
I can't see us affording him or him coming to us anyway.
Spend on a striker and keep Lucas.

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02 Jul 2015 10:53:56
He'd cost less than Benteke and Lucas is going so maybe not that unrealistic.

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02 Jul 2015 11:49:30
i agree the guy looks good but if we retain lucas , whom seems a real loyal guy he could help make can into a beast of a dm he has the potential imo

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02 Jul 2015 12:26:14
Like Lucas but think Carvalho could do an even better job for years to come if we can shift on a few to afford him but a goal scorer needs to be the priority

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02 Jul 2015 12:42:45
I don't know Carvalho at all but appears highly rated by many. A striker and Lucas for mine right now although a stong DM can allow others to cheat and will shield your backline. We have looked our best when Lucas has been in form. It allows many formations and frees up your creative guys so i am not againt investment in another DM if Lucas is to leave.

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02 Jul 2015 09:12:13
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new player profile about, Daniel Sturridge

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02 Jul 2015 08:46:32
Hi Eds

I was wondering when Liverpool (as other clubs are attempting) is setting up proper academys in the other federations or countries, will they then be able to be wieved as "home grown" players in the future ?

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{Ed002's Note - No. Home grown relates to England and Wales for the likes of Liverpool.}

03 Jul 2015 10:13:42
To be cynical, could we then "import" the talents from an LFC Academy abroad, on some sort of scholar ship ?

I believe Barcalona did something similar, but didn't have all their paperwork in order.

Not sure if I have understood the rules right, but it seems to me, the term "Homegrown' refers to a player that has been schooled at an Academy in the UK, not his pasboard ? Therefore players from Africa, Asia, South America should be available under such a set up ?

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{Ed002's Note - No you can't do that - this is not an opportunity for Liverpool to cheat the rules.}

02 Jul 2015 08:18:44
Maybe it might be for the best in the long run if FSG went and bought Southampton. Just think about how much easier it would be to buy all there players each year. It would be like Barcalona and Barcalona B.
But yeah, happy with Nate Clyne,

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02 Jul 2015 15:36:43
LoL, naughty. Aston Villa seem like they would take all of are unwanted players at one point or another : David James, Steve Staunton, Aly Cisokho, Patty Berger, Joe Cole, Ray Houghton, Milan Baros, Stan Collymore, Dean Saunders and Emile Hskey. There is most likely a few more but that's who i can think of right now.

Spurs also have done a similar thing only to a lesser extent, Ray Clemence, Paul Walsh, Ronnie Rosenthal, John Scales, Danny Murphy (although not directly moving and playing for the Addicks before Spud went to Spurs but how often does one get to type 'Spud went to Spurs'), Christian Ziege, Robbie Keane on his way back to London. Again their might be a few more.

Southampton should consider it a direct testament to how well they have done in recent years that Liverpool are willing to part with big cash for they star players. After all it wasn't all that long ago that Southampton looked like a team in limbo in exert from Wpedia: ''On 23 April 2009, Southampton were handed a 10-point deduction, following their parent company going into administration.

This deduction ensured that Southampton were relegated from the Football League Championship and played the 2009-10 season in League One. After failure to beat Burnley in the penultimate game of the season on 25 April 2009, which ended in a 2-2 draw, Southampton confirmed their relegation from the Championship to League One. This also meant that they started in the third tier of English football for the first time in 50 years with minus 10 points.'' I think they have done tremendously well to get back into the Premier League.

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02 Jul 2015 08:16:28
Ed 1 & Ed2

Have you heard anything about FSG selling Liverpool to an Arab based group ?

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{Ed001's Note - no, you mean the lies about a Dubai oil conglomerate? Doesn't exist. Dubai barely gets any income from oil anyway, so it is just fantasists putting out bull.}

02 Jul 2015 07:55:14
Hey ed01, could you tell us how young Lloyd Jones is progressing? I believe he was highly thought of, but with Gomez and Illori at the club (ah, and Sakho is still rather young!) his long-term chances do not seem too good. Do you think he actually has the potential to be better than these players, especially in terms of speed? I've never heard him described as a fast CB.
Also, rumours that Rossiter should be joining in the pre-season tour, hope he does well and impresses, even though I am still harboring the hope we will be signing Kovacic.

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{Ed001's Note - he is progressing ok, he is still highly rated, captain of the ressies, but his short term future is hopefully a good loan move. At the moment, he is behind Gomez and Ilori in his development, but he has not had the first team football those two have had, which is what he needs next. His pace is not the best, no, but then neither Carragher or Terry have ever been quick and they did ok.

I would expect a lot more than just Rossiter involved in the first team tour, usually a few of the younger players get given the opportunity to go. Though I suppose our squad is becoming a bit too bloated for as many these days.}

02 Jul 2015 09:25:54
Only two weeks until I get to see the boys play here in Brisbane. Looking forward to hopefully seeing some of our promising younger academy players get a run too.

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02 Jul 2015 08:54:51
Indeed. Still, if we had the right management team, some stiff competition would not hurt them I guess. Problem is that the players being bought are quite young, and if successful, ought to have long-term futures for the club - I really wish well to Markovic, Ings, Origi, Can and all the rest.
Any new names in the academy that have come under the limelight in the past year, ed? I am talking aside from the usual suspects - Ojo, Sinclair, Rossiter, Jones, Teixeira. Very sad that McLaughin has faded away, along with Brad Smith. I had high hopes for the former, and you praised the latter very much. There doesn't seem to be a long-term prospect for the left back, currently.

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{Ed001's Note - Stewart has pushed himself forward over the last season and he can play left back.}

02 Jul 2015 08:06:02
Reading through the page. Never thought I'd see quantum mechanics and Schrodinger being discussed on here. 😂

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02 Jul 2015 08:37:18
Let me guess - Rodgers is to blame for observer bias and his tactics caused the cat to kill itself.

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02 Jul 2015 12:47:55
Let it go Ron, we get it, Colgate Clive is your pin up. Good for you.

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02 Jul 2015 07:38:03
Good morning ...........

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{Ed002's Note - Stop asking the same question over and over again - it is really pissing us off.}

02 Jul 2015 09:29:01
Ok no problem. Sorry. Will see what happens.

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02 Jul 2015 09:53:30
@dezmondo, when you are ordering a pint in a pub do you knock girls out of the way to make sure you get yours first? Then while waiting you definitely ask two more members of staff for the same pint? :)

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02 Jul 2015 10:22:42
Good effort sean. You don't even no what i was asking. It was very relevant and a fair question. I asked it before and it wasnt posted so asked again. Its clearly an area that eds don't want to comment on which is fine and i accept it.

I would order 3 pints to start with and then order another after I've drank the first one to avoid any waiting time at the bar.

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02 Jul 2015 07:21:24
Jasus ed I don't know how u do it, I've just logged on and the amount of negative bitter stupid posts is unbelievable! Do people not have one shred of cop on anymore!!

Best of luck for the rest of the transfer window.

Regards

Niall

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02 Jul 2015 07:17:09
I really think we should focus less on potential (and actual) recruit's price tags and more on the players themselves.

The Eds, quite rightly, ask us to steer clear of financial discussions and, as far as I can see, FSG have run successful sports 'franchises' in the past and continue to do so.

Instead of worrying about Benteke's price tag, or that Firmino may end up costing more than Carroll, let's instead concentrate more on what they bring the team.

I know its difficult (I work in finance so especially for me!) but at the end of the day, what's important is whether we have bought the players by the end of the window that we think will improve the team enough for a push for top 4 or better.

I'm posting this as I've seen a number of posts saying they like Benteke but not for the price paid, well let's just decide if we like Benteke or not, irrespective of the prices being reported.

As I said, I know its difficult to ignore the prices paid, but most of us on these forums (respected Eds not included) don't really understand FFP enough to be able to ascertain if paying £x for a player rather than £y will lead to penalties in the future. There are just so many variables that contribute to the FFP calculations that we'd never work it out correctly.

For my part, I'm really happy about Firmino, Milner, Clyne and Ings as I believe they will all improve the starting 11 from what we currently have.

Bogdan? Meh - I guess an uprate on Jones but as Ed001 said, not a significant one. I would rather we'd have gone for Begovic as he will actually push Migs. My ideal would've been Cech, but I don't think he was ever likely to leave London, especially not to join a team not in the CL.

Gomez - one for the future, but I hope his recruitment does not push Ilori down the pecking order as I'd like to see him given the chance.

Benteke - not sure at all. If he bangs the goals in, then great. let's see what happens.

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02 Jul 2015 08:13:59
Good post zed, if FSG think they can make the finances work then I'm sure they know better than you or I. My only gripe with the fees I stated earlier is if the cash dries up and we still have positions which need strengthening more than the ones we have. So if FSG think they can buy begovic and benteke then great but if a challenger for migs comes at a cost of just having benteke then I would rather they look To spend 25m on a striker and 8 mil on a keeper as I think that would better serve the team.

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02 Jul 2015 09:05:36
I agree that the squad will be stronger overall than last season, and if BR can tweak his tactics a bit to get goals from Benteke, you have to say that he is a better striker than anyone else we have (lets forget about sturridge, as the odds are he will be injured again by xmas anyway).
Milner is an upgrade, as are Firmino and Clyne, and there will be genuine competition to perform for a starting place.

My worry is that BR will get it wrong, eg instead of tweaking the playing style to suit the striker, he will expect benteke to turn into suarez during july and august- and that approach will not get goals from the player.
Under a less blinkered and more tactically flexible manager I believe this squad could make the CL places, and I think if BR makes the usual slow start next season, we may have that new manager by xmas.

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02 Jul 2015 09:29:41
Zeddicus, unfortunately the price of the player and what they bring to the team are intertwined for the most part. Benteke for instance seems to be a square peg for a round hole scenario and his quoted price is very much part of the discussion. Probably more so if he doesn't fit the team and how we play.

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02 Jul 2015 10:16:05
Good post mate couldn't agree more on money distorting how a transfer goes down. If you look at it as a draft of players in and players out then our squad definitely looks stronger than it did a month ago.
Also people were over the moon about firmino until ed002 explained we bid way more than anyone else. I don't see how this changes anything as people seem to forget players don't actually have any set value. Their value is completely different on a club by club basis. let's just be happy the owners/committee/whoever thought he was worth an amount that was acceptable to hoffenheim and we now have the player. Same for benteke if it happens.

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02 Jul 2015 05:56:57
Not that i expect a player swap to happen, just interested, but in the event that sterling is swapped for cash plus player, are both of the deals handled totally independently or are they the same transaction? And the reason i ask is does the money that we pay QPR based off of money recieved or the total transfer value with the money and traded players value combined

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{Ed002's Note - There is no opportunity for Liverpool to try and cheat QPR out of any money. A lot of the fans have asked this.}

02 Jul 2015 06:05:12
Thanks for the reply 002

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

02 Jul 2015 09:56:52
People have also tried with if we extend some of the payment terms and make them related to appearances, etc then could we keep those payments ourselves.

QPR will get their 20% as we agreed when we signed him. If we were to try screw clubs on these things then our reputation would get even worse.

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02 Jul 2015 10:21:42
We had the exact same thing with lambert and lalanna. People said we should pay 20 mil for lambert so we could lalanna cheaper as Southampton had to pay a percentage of that fee. Why do people want to screw smaller clubs so easily? Especially over money that won't make or break liverpool but certainly can do for a smaller team! Also it's fraudulent on a good few levels and sanctions would be pretty massive I assume

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02 Jul 2015 11:58:14
Lol mate i was just asking how it works, not saying we should go out and intentionally screw other clubs. that's just counter productive because people would just stop selling to us

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02 Jul 2015 04:39:59
Last season I remember getting a lot of corners but can't remember any being converted except one by Gerrard . So if benteke is able to convert even 2-3% of those corner's it will be money well spent. We need 15-20 extra goals this year and from what we have seen over last few seasons he is good for at least 10 goals. On the other hand I can't see many options left.

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02 Jul 2015 05:05:30
Totally agree . We didn't seem to have any threat from set pieces unless it was a shot. Opposition will put 2 men on him so should free up space for others as well as he'll win his fair share. Hopefully it will mean practicing more set up pieces( attacking as well as defending ) because we always looked likely to concede from them.

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02 Jul 2015 06:21:28
Had to hold my breath whenever we were defending a set piece and i was generally not interested when we had one so a new aerial presence would be appreciated

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02 Jul 2015 06:33:25
I don't think I can remember a headed goal at all from any of our forward players last year.

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02 Jul 2015 07:36:50
Lack of goals from a corner is a really poor reason to be shelling on 30mil+ on a player who is bang average and frequently injured.

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02 Jul 2015 07:37:57
Dont forget the Glen Johnson header vs Stoke!! The guy got alpt of abuse on here, but u have to respect him for putting his head were he did, i'm not sure how many other players in the squad would have done the same

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02 Jul 2015 08:57:31
Let's hope we don't see the Benteke hiding behind Skrtel trick that worked so well for Andy Carroll, lol.

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02 Jul 2015 03:30:55
So it looks like it's going to be Benteke.
Not my first choice, but I reckon he'll bang a few goals in.
I'm guessing we will be playing with a couple of strikers if we sign him? A la Heskey/Owen?
Anyway, not exactly falling over myself with excitement on this one, but still way better than what we have now, so let's get behind the boy and hope for the best.
Here's to another season of possibilities.

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02 Jul 2015 08:04:46
I'm sick of settling for average. We're Liverpool and should be in the Champions League

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02 Jul 2015 02:14:26
Eds do you know how Sturridge is getting on? Does it look like he'll be fit for the start of the season?

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{Ed002's Note - Everyone knows he won't be.}

02 Jul 2015 04:37:12
I think he'll be fit by October.

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01 Jul 2015 23:15:55
Eds how do clubs actually come up with the "price" they want for a player ? May seem a silly question I know but I have often wondered

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{Ed002's Note - They will base it on what they perceive to be the best they can get - then there is negotiation.}

01 Jul 2015 23:13:44
do you have an update on the players we are interested in? Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - You just need to read the posts now.}

02 Jul 2015 06:18:27
Plenty of updates all on this site.

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