Liverpool Banter Archive July 02 2017

02 Jul 2017 23:26:48
Would like klopp to sort the defence before trying to get anymore midfielders in, if we do manage to get Southampton to budge on their position of vvd, I think they mite be interested in a swap+money deal with sahko,
Jonas hector would be perfect for left back an would cost £15- £25m I'd say
Watched a lot of the German league last year an it fella keita is a talented footballer but £70m is ridiculous, definitely a klopp player but out of our budget I'd say!
a defensive should be priority especially with Henderson constantly sidelined with this heel injury, can ain't defensively minded, Lucas will probably be sold.
Love to sell Sturridge An try an aumbuang.

03 Jul 2017 06:01:55
Can is your Defensive midfield pal! Else He is moving out! That's the position he wants play.

03 Jul 2017 11:44:02
Looking at can play I would say if anything he wants to be slightly farther forward in the midfield he loves to try run with the ball.

02 Jul 2017 22:50:19
Reports saying that jerome boetang is avaiable for around 35 million to chelsea. at that price, even at 29, surely a better option than vvd.

02 Jul 2017 23:54:17
No debate here. Half the price, 1000 times the player.

03 Jul 2017 02:20:38
Half the career in front of him.

{Ed001's Note - doesn't he struggle badly with injuries? Everytime I look he is out injured.}

03 Jul 2017 04:13:55
The same Boateng who couldn't cut it at Man City? Has he improve that much or is the german league kinder to him? just asking here not slating anyone's opinion.

03 Jul 2017 04:28:29
Well Salah did not cut it at Chelsea either, but we all seem happy to have him.

03 Jul 2017 06:03:28
Selling ake and buying whoever in the world is still Crap! Ake is the best to come from their academy!

{Ed001's Note - he came from Feyenoord's academy.}

03 Jul 2017 06:12:45
Well I meant the best young player to come up like Sterling or Ibe.

{Ed001's Note - not sure how you figure that out either. They have bought a huge number of young players that you have probably never seen play to judge. They still have both Chalobahs for instance, both of whom look like they have the potential to be better. Maybe it is just me, Ake is good but I have never seen what is special about him. Defensively suspect, good on the ball but not great, not really outstanding at left back or centre back or defensive midfield, just good. I like the lad but he is getting plaudits for being some kind of superstar when he has shown nothing but potential so far.

I like his attitude and he is a good Prem player, but he is a long way from being this special talent people seem to believe he is. I think it must be the hair or something that gets people excited.}

03 Jul 2017 06:32:29
I was really impressed with his shift at Bournemouth and according to me he has the been the best of the lots. He would be ideal for a side playing 3 at the back. He has pace and is brilliant to bring the ball out from the back something they bought by paying £40 mill ( David Luis ) . I still don't know why they let him go. He is far more important than Solanke for Chelsea.

{Ed001's Note - they let him go because he is not brilliant, not defensively nor at bringing the ball out. Yes he has pace, but he relies on it too much, rather than using positional sense. Makes him a youtube player rather than a quality defender.}

03 Jul 2017 09:02:06
That's a shame Ed as I actually like him as a player and if he could fix his issues then he will be great. As for the ones criticizing Boateng and the comparison with VVD, I still fail to understand why CB's that are more experienced and better are going for half the price that is being touted for VVD. The fact that people want to argue that CB's like Manolas, Rudigger and now presumably, Boateng are all inferior to VVD, is just a bunch of fairy dust. If we want a CB, there are lots out there we could get for way cheaper provided they fit our system. I think people just want us to blow cash into the wind so they can feel good about themselves. Spoiler alert: We have tried it before and where has it gotten us?

03 Jul 2017 10:40:14
I couldn't agree more ed1. People admiring Ake is all fine and well but I can't see why myself, he's decent there's no doubt about that but top club level? He's way off.

03 Jul 2017 11:42:38
You did mention about Sevilla who would love to take him back only to put off by the asking price. But Napoli and Roma are a solid team. I did not expect them to show up!

03 Jul 2017 12:38:39
Or ake?

02 Jul 2017 20:46:53
If we do end up with Robertson I'm actually glad because he will prove a lot of you on this wrong, half the people slating him think they could do a better position themselves, if he does sign watch klopp turn him into one of the best attacking full backs in the league!

02 Jul 2017 21:16:10
Gibbs or Robertson? Robertson wins hands down.

02 Jul 2017 21:20:50
He's certainly got more potential than Gibbs.

02 Jul 2017 23:01:40
zaha torn him to pieces in 45 mins so much so he was subbed.

02 Jul 2017 23:07:55
Little bit fed up with us signing " potential " we've not had a decent lb for donkeys now. Would love to see us sign an experienced, established lb. Are there any?

03 Jul 2017 00:02:55
I wish we'd just have used a bit of sense and gone all out for Kolasinac, Bertrand or Hector. Instead we will either sign a failed European winger like Mendy/ Gaya, or an above average player with potential to be good such as Tierney, Sessegnon or Robertson. Pretty obvious which only one of those 3 is still on the cards.

03 Jul 2017 02:23:40
I quite like this lad Robertson. At least he can defend.

{Ed001's Note - do you really think so? I am not convinced he can at all.}

03 Jul 2017 05:15:27
Not my first preference, but I definitely think he can defend better than Moreno.

{Ed001's Note - that's really not a high bar to aim at. Moreno has never learnt the basics of defending at all.}

03 Jul 2017 06:33:49
Irony is Moreno has more suitors than Sakho, Lucas, Stewart, and every fringe player at the club!
His pace will be brutal in Italy. He is very young and I could see him blocking a proper left back at Napoli!

{Ed001's Note - how is that irony?}

03 Jul 2017 07:19:37
Coz we all throught none would even touch Moreno! And it would be another Jose Enrique version 2.0.

{Ed001's Note - you may have thought that, but I did make everyone aware there was interest, it was purely the price that was an issue. Moreno has a great attitude, workrate and is very well liked by coaches that have worked with him. There will always be teams that have interest in a player like that, even if they lack quality.}

03 Jul 2017 08:46:20
Robertson is just not a very good defender and i can't believe in the whole footballing fraternity that we can't find and sign a half decent left back. I don't know how old robertson is but surely he should not need much coaching at this stage to be first choice at lfc. But ed25 pointed out the other day not all the players in your team has to be the next big thing and just solid dependability is enough. So maybe klopp thinks robertson is enough!

03 Jul 2017 11:01:25
Using Moreno as a comparison for the LB position is as poor a comparison as using Migs to compare as a standard for GK's. hence, the bafris low to non-existent.

No one ever said that Moreno lacked interest from other clubs as Sevilla and Napoli both want him, as Ed01 had mentioned. He is a very good lad off the pitch and his coaches may like his attitude but he is just not intelligent enough to play football or get better at the things he lacks in his game. That is just the reality.

02 Jul 2017 20:23:48
Just downloaded the FM legends database, would be interesting to see if Ed001's best Liverpool team of all time can win the league. Can't wait to unleash an 18yr old Gerrard alongside Souness 🙂.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure that means something, I am just completely at a loss as to what that is! What is the FM legends database? I am assuming by FM you mean Football Manager the game but just not sure what the legends db is or how it would work in the game.}

02 Jul 2017 20:34:52
Someone created a database of legends for a load of clubs, so you've got Dalglish, Hansen at Liverpool, Best and Charlton at United, Henry and Adams at Arsenal and so on. It'll literally be a clash of the titans (there's Pele, Maradona, Puskas etc as well) . It would play like how it usually does in Football Manager, just with different players who happen to have amazing stats.

02 Jul 2017 22:46:52
Your time would be better spent getting out of the house and making some friends, maybe get yourself a girlfriend!

02 Jul 2017 22:52:10
I have a wife. football manager doesn't nag me.

03 Jul 2017 00:16:55
Doubt the replacement of the existing players with legends is done globally. I wanna see Caulfield and O'Flynn up top for Cork City. With Mick Devine in goal.

Also I looked at the LFC listing and Owen has a higher transfer value than Fowler, which given they're the same age in the database, suggests Owen's programmed to be the better player. What goat programmed that?

03 Jul 2017 01:40:57
Its all the rage now.

Wanted it official for years on fifa like when you select a team you can choose current, all timr 11 or an era haha make it so good.

You can get legends on xbox ultimate team but not ps.

Piss take when you haven't got one though and you go ip against a sod with viera and pirlo in the middle and pele on the flanks haha.

03 Jul 2017 01:44:15
Nice advice bobby banana! I am also trying to give up fifa and get myself a girlfriend but until now its been a waste of time! 😩.

03 Jul 2017 02:25:00
How realistic is this game though? Does Jan Molby break into a sprint at any point? Does Harry Kewell play more than a couple of games in a row without getting injured? Is Dalglish playing in old-school leather Adidas clogs or fluorescent lightweight air boots? Has Beardsley shaved one side of his head and got his twitter account tattooed on there?

{Ed001's Note - even the words sprint and Jan Molby should never be used in the same sentence!}

02 Jul 2017 19:55:51
I've had a terrible day. Soothe my soul with some decent banter and rumours please.

02 Jul 2017 20:15:11
Running up that hill must have taken it out of you.

02 Jul 2017 20:20:11
Been running up that hill Kate?

02 Jul 2017 20:40:30
Well guys, the hill was 'no problem '. Thanks for asking tho!

02 Jul 2017 20:51:29
Was there a "Castle on the Hill" tho?

02 Jul 2017 21:08:23
Peter Gabriel hasn't been pestering you again has he?

02 Jul 2017 21:35:17
Yes, he has. Banging on about world music constantly. Tried to turn him onto the Reds but he says "it's just buying into the machine ". Silly sausage. Last I saw of him he was off to Salisbury Hill for a bit of "Me" time. ****er.

02 Jul 2017 22:29:06
He just thinks he's Brian Pern.

02 Jul 2017 19:03:26
Hi I'm looking to go to my first LFC match this coming season and was wondering where is the best place to get tickets?

Thanks.

02 Jul 2017 20:20:58
Hi,
I would suggest that you get in touch with your local supporters branch (if you have one) there are usually tickets available that way. You could always rock up to a game and hope to buy one around the ground. there are usually a few people selling. If you are interested in going to the 'bigger' games in the future, I suggest buying a membership card. It takes a while to build up enough games to be in with a chance of securing all the games that you want. I think it's around 15 home games now. 😎.

03 Jul 2017 01:31:10
The best way is to approach the official LFC ticket office online. It's a difficult exercise for the Prem league but early cup games and CL games may be the best option to start. Failing that online ticket companies, but be aware you will pay hugely inflated prices.

02 Jul 2017 16:57:03
Question for the Eds and older reds.

What were Shankly and Paisley's flaws?

{Ed001's Note - Shankly's main flaw was his loyalty. He held on to players long after he should have.

Paisley's flaw was that he was too happy to be in the background, which meant he has never gained the recognition he deserves.

Other than that I can't think of any flaws off the top of my head.}

02 Jul 2017 17:26:30
Shankly lived too close to Everton's training ground at Bellfield and Paisley never did the washing up at home.

Other than that, can't think of any.

02 Jul 2017 23:26:24
They both retired too soon.

02 Jul 2017 16:10:47
[Amadou Makadji, Guinea based journo] Klopp spoke with Keita on Saturday and Liverpool will submit an offer this evening. Klopp wants him whatever the cost.

02 Jul 2017 16:22:47
So we've tapped the player up?

02 Jul 2017 16:24:37
You cannot speak to the player! Am I wrong here? Did RBL give us the permission to speak to the player?

02 Jul 2017 16:30:44
You can speak to the player if his club gives permission. Although I don't know if that's the case here or not.

{Ed002's Note - RBL has said the player is not for sale - therefore it would take the acceptance of an offer. There should be no surprise in this. Noting he also spoke to Brandt and van Dijk.}

02 Jul 2017 16:58:17
Klipperty is a very sociable guy 😁.

02 Jul 2017 17:07:05
Klopp sure does love his Blackpool dates.

02 Jul 2017 17:08:46
Apology by the end of the week then?

02 Jul 2017 17:28:04
Or maybe the Guinea based journo just made it all up.

02 Jul 2017 17:49:38
Doesn't matter as long as he signs. All clubs do this.

02 Jul 2017 17:54:55
I wish Klopp would be like every other manager in world football and not speak to the player before getting permission. What an awful awful man.

02 Jul 2017 18:21:37
Isn't calling him an "awful awful man" going a bit overboard without knowing him personally?

02 Jul 2017 19:45:00
Sarcasm reet.

02 Jul 2017 20:11:00
It's all rumours and heresay with no evidence of any wrongdoing.

03 Jul 2017 01:24:33
Klopp has spoken to the player but we have not spoken to his club RBL yet!? I don't like the sound of this again, unless something has changed ed? And we have approached his club.

03 Jul 2017 01:25:17
Sounds like wrong doing again? We can't have spoke to the player before the club?

02 Jul 2017 14:34:48
Afternoon Eds and reds

First of all a collective thank you to all the eds for all their efforts in trying to stay again during this silly season

Secondly I was interested in your thoughts on Iago Aspas, we can see now after going back to Spain he has had a great season constantly hitting the back of the net and I was wandering why you thought he wasn't a success at Liverpool, was it simply down to not enough chances? Or has he developed more then everyone expected?

Many thanks.

{Ed001's Note - never settled, never wanted to leave Celta (which is the team he supports and is now playing for again), never really got a proper chance and so he never adjusted to the physicality required.}

02 Jul 2017 14:48:40
Ed you know where you said physicality, do you think this may be the reason why England is so far behind in terms of player quality, because we tend to label it 'a mans game' and 'a mans game' is all about bruises, rough tackles and just being physical, and I think it's a case of we try to substitute technical skills for this so called big man approach, I really do hate it when a new player comes in and he has to 'bulk up', do any other leagues have this problem?

{Ed001's Note - yes, the British game does suffer by being all about physicality over technical ability. It is a distinct disadvantage.}

02 Jul 2017 16:09:20
I always liked Aspas, and I belive hecould have had a great season playing for us, and I also don't think his size would have been a problem - he always has that 'terrier' like aspect to his game - but the problem he had was very simple - he had Suarez and Sturridge in the sane squad. He couldn't get a game really. Shame as he could have been very good for us, but his timing was unfortunate.

02 Jul 2017 16:41:21
If he never wanted to leave why did he ed? Money?

{Ed001's Note - Celta needed the money to pay bills and survive, so he agreed a move to help the club.}

02 Jul 2017 20:05:49
Very noble of him, Ed. This may explain why they jumped at the chance to buy him back immediately after their money issues were fixed. He's Celta thru and thru and I respect him even more now as a gentleman, than as a pro footballer.

{Ed001's Note - he is very much a Celta fan and would have been happiest if he could have spent his career there.}

02 Jul 2017 10:02:59
Arsenal fan here, Sunday Times are reporting Oxlade-Chamberlain has turned down a new contract at Arsenal. Arsenal more likely to sell now than risk leaving on a free so the move to Liverpool is looking likely despite their other transfer activity. Deciding factor was likely to be a decision based on Liverpool offering him a starting spot at CM (we all know how that turned out with Milner. ) .

Personal thoughts are that he's got promise, but nowhere near good enough to be demanding a starting spot at a top 6 club yet, much less in a position he's hit and miss in. Good luck to him if he goes (with the obligatory not-against-his-old-club-though)

02 Jul 2017 10:25:53
If we stick him in centre midfield, prepare for the sort of humpings that Arsenal got by Bayern or England against France.

02 Jul 2017 10:54:05
Hanson, I understand your constant repeating of the same lines, but I have to say Arsenal usually play 2 midfielders and a CAM. We play one deep lying midfielder and 2 pushing on. It's a completely different midfield outlook. Remember when we realised Hendo is more than capable in a midfield 3, but in a midfield 2 he struggled. And the exact same thing with Gigi, in holland he played in a 3 and was excellent, but not many thought he could for us due to his Newcastle days. I believe Klopp thinks the same for the Ox, and I think in a midfield 3 the way we set up will help him flourish. He also played in a midfield 2 for England. So personally, I don't think your argument against his capabilities in midfield are relevant UNLESS we plan to play him in a 2, then it's a fair point.

02 Jul 2017 12:01:47
Our midfield plays very differently. If you listen to Klopp his system has a holding midfielder and then forward of that is quite fluid and just requires pace and energy.
In defense he focusses in closing down in groups and only allowing small passing channels to increase the chance of a mistake, tackle or interception.
He soke about it at length in an interview on Friday night football or something earlier in the season. He explained how his team pivots on his #6, a DM and the rest is pretty fluid.
In a system like that Oxlade-Chamberlains weaknesses aren't really exposed. Lallana isn't known for his defensive abilities but is one if our best at Geggen Pressing. I think OX could be used in a similar fashion if it does happen.
Have faith in Klopp, he can do what he wants going forward for me. Its LB I'm concerned about.

02 Jul 2017 12:02:16
Ox is not being garunteed a starting cm spot. Ox is being offered a squad role with a fair amount of games.

Naby keita is the target for a first 11 cm role. Talks are going well.

02 Jul 2017 12:10:11
TIA there is absolutely nothing to suggest he has the skills, intelligence of ability to play in the middle. Either as three or a two man midfield. Against Bayern he was part of a three man central midfield. So the argument that he would somehow flourish is weak given the facts. This is just a case of his ego and opinion of his own ability being greater than the sum of his limited ability, in the same way Beckham wanted to play in the middle yet failed when played there, they simply lack the intelligence and skills to play there. His best position is on the bench as an impact player at best.

02 Jul 2017 12:13:27
Andy, the system relies upon midfielders having intelligence about their game, something that Ox is severely lacking.

02 Jul 2017 12:24:56
11 cm role? Jeez didn't realise he was that small!

02 Jul 2017 13:13:47
Arsenal plays with a stopper and he is still crap! Liverpool don't play with a stopper in the first place. He is positinally woeful to play in the middle especially for a team who will push both CM high up and down. Just coz he runs faster than light doesn't make him a good footballer.
I agree with Hansens. He is not good enough or looked up by Wenger to play in the middle in the long absence of Carzola. He is not even wanted at Arsenal now. They will sell him and add a few to bring one top class CM.
Why would we need him? A failed English winger who wants to play CM, not in million years he would pick a pass!

02 Jul 2017 13:15:43
He's tint masrshy.

02 Jul 2017 13:22:46
Hanson I completely agree he's best as an impact sub, I said that a few weeks back. But I also think you're underestimating klopps coaching skills. He may have struggled in a midfield 3 against Bayern Munich playing in an arsene wenger system that they rarely play, but that does not mean Klopp isn't capable of helping him to flourish in that role, and stats from Klopps past coaching backs that up (Adam lallana to name one) so it is not a weak argument given the facts, I've just considered more factors. And that wasn't me comparing lallana as I know he's much more intelligent and technically gifted but it's more that Klopp arguably transformed him last season from a silky, 'slow the game down' winger to a gegen pressing, fast thinking midfielder. He also did a similar transormation of Gigi, who most labelled lazy at Newcastle, ended up being one of our most hard working midfielders.

02 Jul 2017 13:38:54
TIA

Exactly He is Ward working infact our entire midfield is hard working. We lack Quality and Why we rely on Coutinho so much! Klopp like him coz he has pace and is physically strong. Let's not even talk about Quality.
Working hard is not a skill set, it's a mandatory. Picking someone's movement between the lines or launching a 30 yard pass to pick your Mendy's or Robertson is your SKILLSET. That's what you want from your Center Mid rest all are secondary!

02 Jul 2017 13:59:45
I didn't mention the Oxs workrate once then, I was explaining how Klopp transformed Gigi from a perceived lazy midfielder to a very hard working one. We don't know what Klopp sees in him yet, to my knowledge he hasn't spoke about it. I actually think the Ox has good vision, he tends to know the runs his teammates make, and feeds them more often than not, he needs to do it more consistently yes but I think Klopps the ideal coach to help achieve that. while he may be no Coutinho, I think his game can be worked on by Klopp and I believe it's possible for it to work successfully. Especially if he is to be used as an impact or replacement due to a first 11s injury/ loss of form. Just my views I guess.

02 Jul 2017 14:00:44
Really Harry, picking someone's movement from 30yards is all you need from your centre midfielder? Can we get Charlie Adam back please. Not saying Ox is a good CM but your judgement of a good CM is baffling most times. Can you not judge a player until he actually plays because no one knows it all, its all a guessing game.

02 Jul 2017 16:09:18
The first 11cm are often the most important.

That initial burst of speed can make or break a player.

02 Jul 2017 16:30:34
Akinwalexykopite I've seen Oxlade play centre midfield and he looks utterly out of his depth. So why blow a substantial amount of money on someone who not only has delusions of playing a position he doesn't have the skills for (his positional sense is awful, his passing range and vision is poor, he can't tackle and play passes him by), I seriously do not get why people are getting excited about a player Arsenal aren't particularly fussed about keeping.

02 Jul 2017 17:07:50
Akin, if an LFC midfielder does not play like David Silva, Moussa Dembele or Santi Carzola, the he's not good enough. Ox is a failed winger who wants to play at CM. Is that a joke? At LFC where he will be going against Couts, Hendo, Can, Lallana and Grujic? If he wants to be an impact sub or if Klopp can fix him then great. If he really thinks he can start ahead of those guys then he is seriously losing it.

TIA, you are wrong about Wiji. Wiji has more ability in his left toe than Ox has in his whole body. Wiji was never lazy. That is patently false. Wiji's role changed when he came to LFC as he played the Allen role but with better quality and end product. His only knock was that he lacked the fight needed to avoid relegation with Newcastle and so did a lot of Newcastle players as well. Ox wants to start at CM as well. There is no way he starts ahead of the guys mentioned above as he is frankly not better than them in any shape or form, Klopp magic or not.

03 Jul 2017 01:21:37
I think that if you look at the kind of players the club have been linked to, Klopp wants a faster transition. Our attack almost always dies when the midfield passes wide to a fullback. A mobile midfielder like Keita or Ox drives with the ball. So rather than the opposition resetting as we pass sideways, a midfielder of this kind will commit defenders. I'm hopeful that we will be more efficient in the coming season.

03 Jul 2017 01:23:20
I am sorry mate we have see Ox playing for Arsenal and my judgment muck like half of the site is pretty much the same. He he simply not good enough to play as a CM.

Charlie Adam couldn't pick a pony let alone a player. Xabi Alonso, Paul scholes, Xavi, Steven Gerrard, Michel Carrick.

If it was very easy to pick someone's run with an inch perfect pass then everyone would have been a Center midfielder by now. A CM typically dictates the game and that is where he judged at. Not by the distance covered!

Csec Fabregas had more impact from the subs than Ox. Fact!

03 Jul 2017 01:27:28
Klopps midfielders along with the rest of the team defend as a unit, pressing the opposition to force an error.
The day of the quarter back midfielder at LFC went with Stevie.

New exciting times.

Ps. I brought my family on the Anfield tour yesterday and was absolutely blown away by the new stand and improvements around rhe ground.
I can't praise the staff and club enough for their efforts.

A brilliant experience and great value at 50 Quid for a family of five. Well worth the money

My wallet took a bigger hit afterwards in the shop, 2 junior new home shirts and 1 junior new away shirt @ 42 quid each.

But my kids delighted faces wearing the new clobber bought at Anfield to me is priceless.

The club has a lovely area for the 96 ; to me it shows what LFC is still all about.

In our tour group of about 20 people there were people from around the world. Swedish. Malaysian. English
Irish. Austrailian and Japenese. And some I can't remember.

It just shows you the global reach of the club.

02 Jul 2017 09:11:50
Morning eds, I'm wondering how football sidesteps freedom of employment laws? Why can't one player quit one 'job' and move to another?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what "freedom of employment laws" are.}

02 Jul 2017 09:59:35
In the UK at least, employees on fixed term contracts (which I assume covers professional footballers) have the right to terminate their contract early.

What is it that stops a footballer terminating their contract and going to work with another club? I'm assuming that football has a workaround that prevents this.

{Ed002's Note - The contracts are there to protect both sides and are covered by regulations from FIFA - but there are provisions under the Webster Ruling that allows a player to buy themselves out of a contract. A player can refuse to play and terminate their contract but they cannot then simply join another club as their registration belongs to the club they left.}

02 Jul 2017 22:02:45
Thanks Ed2.

03 Jul 2017 01:14:23
A contract for a start.

03 Jul 2017 01:17:49
I would have thought it has something to do with the contract and unless the terms are breached you are stuck to the terms unless both parties agree.

01 Jul 2017 23:35:08
Ed just saw saul sign an extra 4 years onto his 5 yesr deal making it 9.

I know othet sports do it with longer contracts and jist wondering wether football will start doing it?

Say salah now a 7/ 8 year deal.

Or when signing a young player for big money sealing him into a 10 year deal.

Bemuses me why its not done now. Obv getting saddled with a poor player or a bad injury etc but it just seems someone alwaya signing a new deal or at the blood y end. In 2 years cou will be at 3 and then it will be tbe start of new contract or selling him.

{Ed002's Note - It is beyond what the rules allow and requires the local FA to agree it. It will actually be structred as a renewal.}