Liverpool Banter Archive June 02 2015

02 Jun 2015 22:17:56
Turns out my post yesterday was actually completely wrong- I apologise sincerely for that.
I'm led to believe that the meeting did indeed flow as:
"6th place, yeah great, that. Keep doing what you're doing, take this for Benteke and umm, I'll see you again next year. Oh don't worry Brodge, I've got the bill."
I've heard rumours through my sources (who choose to remain anonymous) though guys, BR actually offered to pay for the drinks and that was the clincher. Don't shoot the messenger!

02 Jun 2015 23:55:51
That's prolly what happened, Lol!

02 Jun 2015 22:30:41
I find it hard to believe that the obvious loss of the dressing room at the end of the season and what the Eds have said about how people within the club view him, that the top brass have allowed him to push on - I can't believe it will be any different and I'm guessing we will be hearing about giving new players time to bed into a system come November when we sit outside the top 6 or 7 - outstandng!!

02 Jun 2015 23:57:26
Then they will do their review only to come out and keep him on for another season. Incompetence from the top down.

03 Jun 2015 00:56:52
This is fsg fault now it really is

03 Jun 2015 03:10:24
Im trying to imagine what the likes of Lucas, Sakho, Can must be thinking right now. Do not be surprised if a barrage of transfer requests go in from the players to get away from clueless Brendan in order to preserves their careers.

03 Jun 2015 04:50:10
Exactly Redohio - incompetence that has dogged us for far too long and continues to hold us back. If the owners are unable to get the key decisions right then perhaps they are not the right owners for the club - there is no other top side who, following a season as woeful as ours, would even contemplate keeping their manager. It is a testament to our mediocrity that Rodgers appears to be getting more time that he simply does not deserve - the ramifications of this decision, should it hold true, will have a lasting impact.

02 Jun 2015 21:30:29
over 40 years a fan of this once mighty team and with tonight's new's of the manager , all i have to say is oh dear

02 Jun 2015 22:20:24
It's genuinely heartbreaking to see mate. Constantly selling our best players

02 Jun 2015 23:59:30
After all these months of top to bottom review with third parties and all only to keep him on. God help us with this type of incompetence

02 Jun 2015 23:30:49
I feel physically ill, not even joking which is funny.

02 Jun 2015 21:27:12
Hey Eds, just wanted to ask if FSG's decision not to sack rodgers (and his team?) was down to financial reasons. Would it have been too expensive to sack them all and recruit a new manager? I know nothing is confimed yet but I cannot possibly find a footballing reason as to why they might keep him.

{Ed002's Note - The money is not going to be the reason.}

02 Jun 2015 23:48:05
Lack of ambition is the reason, they neglect to realise that this past season was year three and the so called land mark 'title contention season' where by this time we were supposed to be realistically fighting for the championship, Not whether or not we get to go straight into the group stages of europa league.

03 Jun 2015 00:40:47
Gibbs??? No thanx haha

02 Jun 2015 20:18:23
Few thoughts about today's announcments. First of all, I think a lot of people need to say sorry to the 'media' that reported consistently that BR is safe and people here refused to listen becuase they refused to accept the painful reality. It turns out sometimes reporters do know what they are saying.

I wonder what the eds and ED001 in particular think about the owners after this decision. I noticed they have also been very careful of criticising them. I personally think they are in the wrong business. A lot of good intentions but lack of understanding how the game work in these levels, of the huge impact of a manager, of the need to create a new mumentum and of the need to make some big changes even after signing a costly 4 year contract (see United and Moyes). I would be really interested to know what are they expectations for next season from the club. Do they have the sligtest hope we will get top 4? Because if they do they are the only people in the business of football who do.

I honestly hope we will not hear more complaints about BR during the summer. The man said he is willing to go, all complaints should be directed at the the owners. I personally will be surpried if we will be even able to keep 6th place next year and I cannot see one reason to get excited about the new season.

Why are chelsea where they are? because they have great players, because they have a great manager and because they have a great owner. We don't have any of those.

02 Jun 2015 22:36:01
I'm disappointed, not for the 6th place finish but for the manner in which it was achieved, the lack of confidence in the dressing room, the alienation of key players, the consistent failures to deal with obvious problems/selection choices (Gerrard at DM, Can at RB, Balo as lone striker, Allen over Lucas, GJ over Manquillo etc. ). A string of bad results and a tough finish due to lack of strikers alone wouldn't be a problem in itself, but I'm not sure BR has shown enough tactical and managerial awareness to justify another season.

Despite all this.if this is the decision then so be it. I think Milner will be really helpful if he plays CDM, I hope we sign proper FB's and a proper striker and then let's judge him again in 6 months time. I'm sure if he doesn't pull it together then things will change then for sure, I just hope Klopp will be taking his 6 months sabbatical and still be available in Jan if that's the case!

02 Jun 2015 22:26:54
You forgot to mention great fans and unfortunately we don't have many of them on here either.Rogers staying or going doesn't alter the fact that I will support my club next season

02 Jun 2015 22:43:44
Don't really care about the media because FSG was the only one I would listen to so no probs there. They have accepted failure as an option and like you say, the buck no longer stops with BR. It stops with the owners and they are the ones to be held responsible for such a cowardly decision.

03 Jun 2015 00:32:19
Well I am sorry to say this, but I can't sit and watch another season of some of the most boring football I have ever seen. It's not about giving up on supporting Liverpool, I won't, just can't watch the dull game we play and lose to boot!!

FSG, I will start watching again when you get another manager.

I will never stop supporting LFC though.

03 Jun 2015 05:44:34
My thoughts exactly Redohio. I have to question the owners now after the decision to retain a manager who is clearly out of his depth. I certainly don't understand the decision to reward mediocrity with another year at our club.

02 Jun 2015 20:13:29
Furious that he's staying. Beyond belief that this inept man is still in charge. He will not learn from his mistakes as we've seen. Look at west ham targetting better managers.

02 Jun 2015 20:35:52
You are awere that is the the owners decision not his. He said he was willing to go.

02 Jun 2015 21:08:20
Fanobip he also said that he wanted to stay. He never said he was "willing" to go. He said he would if the owners wanted him to. Which translates to I will if they terminate my contract and pay me.

02 Jun 2015 21:34:50
With the on field success being paramount and champions league money a must why o why have we kept him.

02 Jun 2015 23:04:37
are you furious with milner on a free too ?

wahaha the rodgers out brigade are in full force tonight

02 Jun 2015 22:51:02
Because the owners bottled it and took the easy route and kept a guy they don't trust and a proven failure because they weren't sure someone else would take the job. FSG will be the ones to answer for his future screw ups because they would have had a chance to clean house and they choked on it. Didn't see them bottle it when managers failed at the Red Sox so why here?

03 Jun 2015 00:18:17
Havin, BR stays, then what? You want a cookie or a brownie or what? What are we going to do when players like Lucas, Sahko, and RS leave due to this dreadful decision and our team suffers? Didn't think about that now, did you? The owners pretty much gave up on firing him because they felt there wasnt someone else they felt comfortable to take over hence, they choked and took the easy route. Meaning? They know he's a failure but chose keep him instead of showing courage and going for Klopp or whoever else. Moral of the story? BR is a failure and them giving a failure another chance doesn't make him any less a failure.

02 Jun 2015 18:46:10
Lets hope we get Blatter on board, at least he might be able to bring in some money

02 Jun 2015 22:37:15
Waro you cracked me up with that sky comment mate

02 Jun 2015 18:29:34
Would sepp blatter be available for dof, imagine the press conference's he'd make brendan sound sensible !

02 Jun 2015 18:15:11
Apparently Blatter has resigned. ! Don't know what the hell's happening at FIFA, but rest assured some underhand plot afoot, methinks! What's your view on this Ed?

{Ed002's Note - It is far from a complete surprise, but there are some extremely difficult times ahead for FIFA that will require a rethink about how it operates.}

02 Jun 2015 21:26:42
I think .............

{Ed002's Note - Sorry, I had to cut that Red Lenin.}

02 Jun 2015 21:37:35
Understandable Ed002 being as there is an active investigation on-going etc.

02 Jun 2015 17:54:47
I know not liverpool but sepp blatter standing down as president of fifa

02 Jun 2015 20:37:54
Just a thought but would there be any chance we could put forward Brendan Rogers for Blatter's position now he has resigned >

02 Jun 2015 15:22:14
eds. its been printed rightly or wrongly, a swap deal for sterling. how would that work please, with qpr due 20%. many thx.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will still be committed to pay 20% of the fee assigned to the transfer. So if the transfer has an assigned value of £25M then Liverpool have to pay £5M to QPR.}

02 Jun 2015 19:42:15
if its a straight swap deal, who assigns the value?

{Ed002's Note - In exchanges the values are assigned by an independent committee working on behalf of The FA - those values are passed to UEFA.}

03 Jun 2015 05:02:44
That's interesting ed, never knew that, cheers.

02 Jun 2015 16:55:57
Not liking what I am hearing on SSN at all, they've said brendan will get more time and the meeting was positive. Literally the worst news possible. Eds you have to do something haha. If this is the case the club is doomed for failure

02 Jun 2015 17:08:42
Thought the meeting was tomorrow

02 Jun 2015 17:09:44
Time to support the club in whatever decision they make.

02 Jun 2015 17:10:44
Wasn't Werner supposed to land today and meet Rodgers tomorrow?I won't believe a thing the papers say. All evidence points towards the fact that Rodgers is going to be future endeavoured.

02 Jun 2015 17:18:46
Wasn´t it what most of us expected?

I think the owners see it like Rodgers deserves another chance because of what the team achieved last season. He will be kept on a short leash, and if doesn´t perform at the start of next season, then I wouldn´t be surprised if he was sacked - that is, if there are any managers available (perhaps Klopp?)

02 Jun 2015 17:24:23
i will support the club, but not BR, he will only bring more faliure and mediocrity and i will not accept that anymore. Enjoy the awful next season if BR stays but i serisously won't spend another dime. While Brendans in am out. Done, finito.

02 Jun 2015 17:25:33
Assuming he is staying he must get some new back room staff.There was obviously something terribly wrong last season and I do not think Rodgers has the ability to put it right.

02 Jun 2015 17:36:39
Reetred time to get your head around Rodgers being our manager next season. Time to support the club kid.

02 Jun 2015 17:44:00
Additional failures required, apparently. Never been one to criticize the owners, but this seems a poor decision. Then again, they've been pretty shocking with appointments themselves, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

02 Jun 2015 18:00:22
Mighty
I'll support the club always but never that man. And I won't believe a thing until fsg put out a statement or hw eds say something on the matter

02 Jun 2015 18:11:06
The club is not the prob, the manager is hence we will always support the club. No official statement yet so we`ll see BUT if he is indeed kept then, it`s the owners` funeral, IMO.

02 Jun 2015 18:18:15
In disgusted with this news if true. It goes to show how much these owners listen to the fans. Every website and poll I've seen in the last month or so has "Rodgers to be sacked" with massive majorities. Rodgers has failed in every target set out by the club and himself. Are the owners now saying we have to accept failure and mediocrity? i'm pretty sure that another season under Rodgers will achieve just that. I, for one, am gutted.

02 Jun 2015 18:36:28
Redohio
Seems we're the only ones not falling into this media frenzy 😉

02 Jun 2015 18:36:58
Lol "the owners funeral".

Bit strong that Ohio, be careful what you post.

02 Jun 2015 18:51:50
If this is true, some of those players will be gutted to see him stay and Lucas will be gone w/ Allen as his replacement. Sahko will be gone and Can will continue to play CB whereas he is not a CB. Oh and if Lucas goes, Couts will not be too far behind. The defence will still not get fixed and the list goes on. FSG has screwed up, big time and I guess I was wrong about them not tolerating mediocrity and failure. Like the Eds said from the outset, "this will end in tears" for our club

02 Jun 2015 19:11:39
I'm amazed if this is true. In most jobs you would be fired for missing your targets by miles. The owners needed to be decisive and make the change now for the good of the club and their investment. Another season like last could be a real issue for the owners financially.
I hope what I'm hearing is wrong because if it's true I fear for the clubs future. I'm with reetred and will always support the club but can't support BR as he's out of his depth.

02 Jun 2015 19:16:01
Football is a game of statistics. Rodgers doesn't win titles.

02 Jun 2015 19:17:22
RK, I said they would feel the wrath of many of the fans and we can see it here already. Clearly, supporting a proven failure is your idea of being an LFC fan. I would understand if you had good reasons for keeping him BUT you didn`t and still don`t. All you did was make excuses for him with no facts to support your case, facts that many of us here have for him to be sacked. Now if it is confirmed that he`s staying, I would like to the reasons behind their decision. You come here to gloat YET you don`t see this potential blunder as a blow to players like Lucas, Can, Sterling and God knows at the club, who are sickened of him and would leave us due to his incompetence. All you and your ilk seem to care about is scoring brownie points instead of looking at the big picture. Unlike you, I care about the club too much and will not accept a failure of a manager because he has no interest in what is right for us provided he keeps his position and FSG have validated failure as a mission statement for our great club. Good luck with top signings coming to play for a failure of manager and owners. Have fun w/ your BFF at the helm of the club and when he has failed again because he will, not because I hate him but for what he has shown us so far, we will still be here supporting the club and wanting more from it than scoring pathetic "I told you so" points.

02 Jun 2015 19:20:45
It`s an American expression meaning, this will be their cross to bear and only theirs to bear. Spare me the self-righteous BS.

02 Jun 2015 19:24:37
So if the team/club is successful and win either the league or champions league under Rodgers, will you still refuse to support him?

02 Jun 2015 19:26:38
Reet please tell me why FSG have to put out a statement when nothing as changed?

03 Jun 2015 00:36:15
Call me back when he has done all that, RK. Until then, chill out!

02 Jun 2015 16:26:02
This non sense that Rodgers doesn't know how to pick players does my head in if the club would get the job done with his first choices ie Sanchez kono Willian mechirkian coasta etc why oh why did the club not say no Sanchez then no saurez

02 Jun 2015 17:03:14
Why?so he could play all of them as wingbacks??

02 Jun 2015 17:08:04
Well bluffer, you can't force players to come to the club if they don't want to. Sanchez did not want to join us, be that due to his wife preferring London or his own preference, he didn't want to come.

02 Jun 2015 17:10:09
Where have you been since the ed`s and even Sanchez said he did not wanna play here? or are you just moaning for no reason?

02 Jun 2015 15:22:33
Afternoon everybody
The possible signing of James Milner could well be viewed the same way as our signing of Gary McAllister, Milner will bring experience, a great work ethic and good mentality to an otherwise young midfield. Milner should be applauded for not chasing champions league football and before anyone says about his wages I understand he will be on a good wack but at least he's showing commitment

02 Jun 2015 15:44:09
He's very under rated, one of city's best this season and has been playing regularly since Xmas. If he's willing to give up more money and champions league football to join us and get us back to the top then I can only wish there was more of him. Maybe sterling could learn a thing or two.

02 Jun 2015 15:55:17
Brilliant words swishcleaner, my thoughts exactly.

02 Jun 2015 16:42:52
I am very excited by the prospect of Milner arriving! Versatile, powerful, quick, football intelligence and a never say die attitude! Judging from the tail end of the season, he has exactly what we need in abundance. Not to mention his quality on the ball and at dead ball situations.

02 Jun 2015 17:11:35
Don`t think he is what we need and don`t think he is the player who can spark a team BUT if he comes, I will root for him.

02 Jun 2015 17:18:30
He's a skillful winger who works hard and pops up with goals. He has end product and great discipline on the pitch. Really hope it's true as it would be adding genuine quality, whether or not we need him is a different argument - I understand that argument but to those people who believe it I would say this is a player who has delivered consistently for years, it is not us adding a mediocre or average lad in a position we don't need, genuine quality.

02 Jun 2015 15:07:54
Would anyone accept Monchi as DoF, & Pako Ayestaran as Head Coach?

02 Jun 2015 15:54:14
i'd take ed002 as Dof and ed001 as manager, i swear we would be flying! I find it very strange that almost everything ed002 and ed001 predict happens, and not in transfer rumours but about how certain players will do, how certain managers will fail. Etc. I figured it out, ed002 must be a psycic or own a time machine! ;)

02 Jun 2015 17:02:16
Call it womans intuition. great site Eds, I've bin away for a while

{Ed001's Note - good to see you back Tel.}

02 Jun 2015 18:01:25
How's your health holding up tel mate?

02 Jun 2015 14:15:52
I said it 3 years ago when we signed him
Rodgers is a snake oil salesman
I think he'll keep his job only to be sacked by Christmas

02 Jun 2015 14:45:25
Im keeping by fingers crossed that he gets the boot tomorrow. Simply cannot tolerate another season of mediocrity under this pretender. If FSG had any sense, they would have gotten rid by now.

02 Jun 2015 14:54:15
Sounds possible. I'd wonder firstly why wait until then, either he is the right man or not? If it's because Klopp or whoever isn't available until then, I don't believe it. You'd make it happen.
Secondly, at what point is he sacked? If we are still in both cups (FA not started yet) and 4th/5th. Sack him? What if only 6 points of first but going through a poor run, sack him?
What about waiting until 12th 23 points of 3rd and out of Europa? Then?

You see my point, either he stays and if does better he continues, we miss calibre of Klopp etc or he isn't good enough we continue or decline and it's too late another season gone, Klopp not interested cause it's an even worse mess.

Keep him and live with it or just cut losses why keep until Xmas???

02 Jun 2015 15:18:45
Would you buy a car off him ?

02 Jun 2015 15:24:21
What I mean is, I think (actually I worry) that FSG will back him and then realise later that they've got it wrong

02 Jun 2015 16:20:46
Chris, it's a fair worry. But what I'd say is, haven't they done this already? I'd suggest Rodgers was on the brink last November, we then put a run which allowed a pause a see what if. It continued, best records in some areas like defence for 50 yrs or something. But in the end we failed, no CL top 4 and loss of dressing room. Shocking results, talents wanting to leave. The signings never really turned it around either. Lallana prehaps? Can, maybe?

I'd say the now til Xmas you mention in your op, is in fact November 14 to summer 15. Rodgers has failed, FSG gave him a half season to turn it around already. They don't need to give him another half to see what's aleady there.

02 Jun 2015 17:18:06
I agree they don't need to, so why no sacking yet?
I can only assume it's because he isn't getting sacked

02 Jun 2015 17:37:04
The meeting is tmrw so calm down before your head explodes. They will make an announcement whent they see fit and not a moment earlier or later.

02 Jun 2015 13:13:50
Hey eds01, how was jimmy case as a player?
I have read that he is d best cdm we have ever had.
Thanks and keep up the good work :-D

{Ed001's Note - he was possibly the hardest player we ever had, but he was not a defensive midfielder at all. Just brutal. Not a bad player at all, very good in fact, but what sticks in my mind was how he struck fear into the opposition.}

02 Jun 2015 14:10:20
And a couple of goals from 40 yard free kicks.

02 Jun 2015 14:11:49
I was too young to witness him play but i remember my dad telling me he had the hardest long shots in the world!

{Ed001's Note - I remember him more at Brighton, his time at Liverpool was a bit before me as well.}

02 Jun 2015 14:22:47
He was a hard as nails no nonsense, no frills player along the lines of Tommy Smith, Ronnie Whelan, Joey Jones etc. If they tackled you you were going down. They were worth their weight in gold in that the opposing player with the ball would get rid of it aimlessly rather than get tackled a second time.

02 Jun 2015 14:36:32
Sounds was the best. By a mile. Nails hard and a good footballing brain on the pitch. Knew when to do the rough stuff and his presence lifted the team.

02 Jun 2015 14:41:27
Me and the wife met him in a bar along Allerton road in Liverpool, a few new years back. Lovely man, his mates were taking the pi*# out of him saying no one knows who he is anymore, but I remember him very well, great player, he had all the things we need and are lacking in our midfield right now. Me and wife got our picture taken with him, and had a chat and a pint together, and then after we left the wife said "who was that!?" I kid you not!

02 Jun 2015 17:15:07
I remember jimmy case, fabulous footballer who could hit a bouncing ball at 100mph, dead straight too! He was a very hard tackler, but not a dirty player, just hard, very hard and no nonsense. He struck fear in opponents, he never had to make two tackles on the same player, theyd pass the ball so fast after his first tackle ! He broke Geoff Nultys leg in a tough derby game, i was there at the time with all my red gear on with my three brotgers all dressed in blue !!! great memories

02 Jun 2015 21:01:18
Jimmy did his job no nonsense ,hard in the tackle , shot with such velocity I once saw him hit a shot that got stuck in the railings in front of the kop, part of a midfield that were winners top top player by the way youtube his goal against man united in the 1977 FA cup brilliant goal

02 Jun 2015 12:49:21
The Sterling/Aidy Ward saga gets funnier by the day. how on earth is Aidy Ward running his own agency?

"Real Madrid have got no interest whatsoever in Sterling. I imagine Sterling/agent might be interested in Real Madrid though." - Guillem Balague June 2, 2015

02 Jun 2015 13:43:36
Most clubs will not consider Sterling, Madrid has dropped their interest, Bayern dropped threir interest, Chelsea dropped their interest and if he was not English Manchester City would drop their interest in a heartbeat me thinks. Ward will ruin Sterlings career. Enjoy Raheem (the new Scott Sinclair)

02 Jun 2015 14:13:21
Only club i see sterling joining is man city - he wants to go arsenal but wenger will never pay the required fee.

02 Jun 2015 14:14:19
That agent is to blame but so is the club and BR for their disgraceful handling of this issue.

02 Jun 2015 14:22:02
Good luck getting clients in the future, his first real test as an agent has made himself and sterling look like tools.
What club will want to deal with any of his clients with such an "agent" "advising" them behind the scenes?

02 Jun 2015 16:00:44
Redohio, i wouldn't say the clubs handling of it was "disgraceful" those are some strong words man! disgraceful is the way he and his agent are acting. BR can't help himself to shut up, one of the 10s of reasons i want him gone but it doesn't change the fact that aidy ward is a neanderthal mate ;) lol

02 Jun 2015 17:39:55
I give you that, bro BUT we would have kept our dignity in public had he just kept quiet and moved on. I can however, understand that "disgraceful" may have been strong, tho.

02 Jun 2015 21:14:51
I no you will all go mad but I feel sorry for Sterling he has been let down badly by his agent who has made the lad a poison chalice he has lost the support of us reds he has been shunned by the clubs his agent was pushing for him to go to it is now becoming embarrassing for the lad. He now needs to sack his agent come to his senses and plead with LFC to allow him to stay . The good thing to come out of this situation is all the bright young players we have coming through will see how bad it has gone for sterling and be wise in who represents them. one last thing when Rogers made the comment about sending Sterling home on that trip to USA has come back to haunt him as per usual Rogers was playing up to cameras and used Sterling for his ego and I don't think Sterling has forgiven him for that hence all the goings on between them now.

02 Jun 2015 12:10:02
if FSG do decide to keep rodgers is it going to be a Bold move or classed as indecisive, i guess only time will tell what ever the situation i think whatever FSG decide though its what they thinks best for the club, let's just hope they as businessmen know a bad manager when they see one.

02 Jun 2015 12:28:43
He's staying it's obvious

02 Jun 2015 12:38:27
The rodgers out brigade just cannot bring themselves to admit that Rodgers is about to pull off the transfer window of the summer.

apparently its Ings, Milner and Clyne for a reported combined £20m and haven't even touched a midfielder, keeper or striker yet, with their further transfer budget.

The rodgers out brigade were last seen crying into their coffee.

02 Jun 2015 12:42:28
i don't think its that obvious to be honest, its an end of season review, one of the worst seasons we have had in a long time, and their is a lot of issues that will need to be discussed. Ignore the newspapers they know nothing, but it will be interesting to see what the supporters make of it if they keep BR, and if and its a big if he stays and proves to adapt then how to fans then react to that?

02 Jun 2015 13:09:34
Clyne would cost at least £20 on his own, burnley will be due compo for ings , probably £5-£7m, and Milner will want a nice signing on fee. Won't be £20m combined

02 Jun 2015 13:10:06
Whatajoke
Ihope that was sarcasm

02 Jun 2015 13:21:10
What a joke of a post. Or was that your name?

02 Jun 2015 13:30:27
Just want to remind everyone that barring 13/14 last season was our best since Benitez's team peaked in 2009. It seams we have short memories.

02 Jun 2015 13:39:55
Last season wasn't the worst in recent times. Actually one of the best

02 Jun 2015 13:50:33
actually last season was gob awful in every single way.

Failed in the PL (twice) to challenge for the title as he promised and then failed to finish in the top 4.

Failed in both the FA cup and the league cup.

Failed miserably in the CL and then failed in the EL

And we have conceded 100 goals in the last 2 PL seasons. The season before last season when we finished 2nd was still kind of a faliure because the league was ours but he flopped that as well.

I have seen far more rubbish from BR to suggest that clearly the 2013-2014 was a blip and that his 1st and LAST season in charge are the norm.

BR needs to go now or we will be in the bottom half of the table until he gets sacked. He is gone

02 Jun 2015 13:53:35
and you have the shortest most selective memory.

Let me remind you

STOKE (SIX) LFC 1 (disgusting)
LFC 1 -Palace 3
Hull 1-0 LFC
Westbrom 0 LFC 0

1 point from 4 games vs relegated teams and midtable crap at best. If you don't think we can get relegated with form lije this think again

02 Jun 2015 14:15:13
The problem is Paisley is that there's nothing to support what you just said. If you're not anti Rodgers then two cup semi's would be seen by most as decent if not good performance. I'll concede that europe was a flop but at least we were in europe, that's better than we've done in a while. Rodgers' 1st season was better than the three that proceeded it. Last season was better than 4 of the previous 5 seasons.

It's absolute nonsense to suggest that Rodgers will take us into the bottom half of the table.

And as for the 'The season before last season when we finished 2nd was still kind of a faliure because the league was ours', that is the grossest misrepresentation of the facts I have ever heard.

02 Jun 2015 14:17:27
Not to mention the 3-0 defeat at man u being "one of our best performances" according to brendan when the year before we battered them 3-0 and should have been more.

Anyone who thinks last season was acceptable shouldn't be supporting liverpool!

02 Jun 2015 14:24:00
You call out 4 single results as evidence?!? I'll call out 40 points from 17 games.

What's clear is that when Rodgers get's it right he get's it very right. Equally, when he gets it wrong he gets it very wrong. I'm inclined to believe that next season he'll be more right than wrong.

02 Jun 2015 15:14:44
4 results? are you serious? those are the last 4 games we played!!

what about the home defeat to Villa? or the awful semi final display vs Villa? whatabout westham and palace trashing us 3-1 away? or the borefests of 0-0 to Hull,Sunderland,Blackburn and Bolton at Anfield?? What about the disastrous CL campain with 1 lucky win out of 6 games?? or maybe Manu beating us twice 5-1 overall and completley dominating the gane at Anfield? hmm
what about the defeat to Besiktas?? what about the defeat to Newcastle ?? what about all the big games he always bottles??
you are inclied to whatever you want but don't try to convince me the faliure fraud will get anything right because of a season Suarez and Sturridge scored 51 goals between them, no its NOT simplistic to suggest having 2 strikers of that calibure in top form is the reason behind the title challenge where we still conceded 51 goals and without worldclass strikers he has been found out and totally out of his depth. We conceded another 50 (almost) this season and that is proof beyond doubt that BR is absolutly useless. Now wake up and don't let your quest of being the nr.1 superfan cloud your judgment. there is no doubt in my mind and 90% of any knowledgeable football fan that we will struggle to finish in the top 8 under BR if he stays, simple reason being that most players don't want to play for him and for good reason.

02 Jun 2015 15:22:54
Muscared, you're talking out your arse.

Stop banging on about a season where we finished 2nd, that was mainly down to Suarez being a world class player behind probably on Messie and Ronaldo. Rodgers' tactical acumen didn't play a part, he set up with Bielsa's system.

Saying he did better in his first season than in our previous 5 years or whatever is hardly anything to be proud of. Getting into semi finals is nothing to be proud of either, we're supposed to be winning things.

How do you account for all the money Rodgers has wasted and the players he's annoyed and the tactical mistakes he's made that have led us to lose 6-1 to pub team like Stoke?

02 Jun 2015 15:27:54
BR gets it right in the tight games? REALLY? so all the drab 0-0 tight games against lower league teams and lower premiership teams is getting it right now is this really how far some fans think we have sunk and think this is acceptable?

Even with his Drab non attacking possession based rubbish he plays we still conceded 48 goals last season 3 less than the all out attack we played after he got a grip in the 2nd season, and he only got a grip after being advised by a top coach how to do it!

Some so called fans have really low expectations, if this is what you find acceptable then fine, but don't claim that Rodgers is getting it right and he's the best man for the job, he clearly is not, the facts show this.

Season 1 finished 7th
Season 2 finsihed 2nd (no european footy, no real involvement in the cups since we got put out early, and deploying another managers tactics)
Season 3 finished 6th out of europe after having a kind draw, goes back to his usual possession rubbish, loose to all the big teams bar chelsea once and arsenal once, and get hammered by westham, crystal palace and stoke, and this is acceptable.

I don't get why people are saying that their is a rodgers hate campaign if the manager can't do the job he should be replaced, remember davie moyes at man u anyone he didn't last a season, why as he wasnt right for the job, rodgers has had 3 seasons and we are no further forward than we were when he started.

Stats maybe not the best way to look at how someone perfoms but all you need to do is open your eyes and look, have you actually seen a liverpool game this season, as if you think BR is doing well you are sadly delusional!

02 Jun 2015 16:25:46
Oh, and Adam, I didn't refer once to the 13/14 season.

02 Jun 2015 17:44:41
Only BR can call a 3-0 defeat "one of our best performamces of the season". No wonder the media love this guy. Even I would cheer LFC on to keep him as they are doing now because he will defo keep me in a job with that mouth of his. He is pure comedy gold the more you think about it. LOL!!

02 Jun 2015 18:15:40
"Gets it right in tight games". Care to mention said games because all i saw last year were defeats or poor draws

02 Jun 2015 18:40:36
I see Ron bought his friends.

02 Jun 2015 19:11:23
I brought them over from Boston AG. ;-)

02 Jun 2015 21:27:48
40 points from 17 games so what happened to the other 63 points from the other 21 games mate if the league was only 17 games per season we would win the league on a regular basis . Brendan Rogers is not the manager for Liverpool FC It hurts me to say that as red of 50 years but having searched my red soul there is no other outcome

01 Jun 2015 19:03:49
hi edds,
not a humdinger of a rumour I know but it is a rumour and it is true!! my mate was in berlin the weekend and watched the german cup final with some Dortmund fans who were convinced that klopp was either going to Liverpool next season or having a year out of the game and then becoming the real Madrid manager after a year out! my question isn't so much about the klopp to Liverpool part but the possibility of him having a year out and then becoming real Madrid manager when the post is free now (at least for the moment)my only take on it would be that raffa is employed by real for a year to maybe oversee the possible difficult decision of moving on the fans favourite christiano Ronaldo at some point during the season (possible fans revolt)and then klopp taking over in a years time with a clean slate so to speak!! might be looking into things too much but just wondered if these slightly cynical things ever did go on within football with clubs 'hood winking' the fans a bit with an eye to the much bigger picture a year or so down the line?

{Ed002's Note - They are wrong.}

02 Jun 2015 11:38:49
Half the fans hate Ronaldo, he's always being jeered! Why not just get ancelotti to move Ronaldo out and sack him then?

02 Jun 2015 15:54:37
It's not a rumour if it's true, it's a fact.

02 Jun 2015 10:18:21
Ed002, love the brilliant work you do. Thank you! Quick question, do you think Klipperty will take a year out?

{Ed002's Note - THanks. It depends, there is a possibility he could be eased in to his next job after 6 months off. Else his options are as I explained before: (a) Does he take a year off and look at what will be available next summer - and there are scheduled to be some very good jobs available then. (b) Does he take a coaching job he is not 100% committed to and see what is available next summer - but I think there is too much integrity in the man for this. (c) Does he take on a job with a club like Napoli, Liverpool or whoever, throw himself at it 100% and bide his time until the "right" job becomes available to him - and would the likes of Napoli or Liverpool be interested in a manager who wants to be elsewhere in the longer term. (d) Does he sit tight and hope that one of the clubs probably looking to change coaches next season opts to get him whilst they can. (e) Does he take 6 months off and ease his way in to he next job? (f)Or will a little deal with Barcelona suddenly come out of the blue?

02 Jun 2015 08:06:53
Some cracking "out of contract" players out there at the moment that would go into out first 11 or squad and improve us considerably IMO.

We could sell the players that LFC do not consider to be "good enough" and bring some of these players in and the overall balance sheet come the start of the season would be in the black.

Milner, Ings, Ayew, Pato, Kono, Ranocchia, Adriano.

6 off the top of my head that would IMO make an impact could we persuade them to join. (I know we have a good chance of the first 2)

Why do we NEED to go spending BIG when there are players out there than can be brought in for no (or little) money.

As good as Benteke is, (and some don't think he is all that) I don't see how he will "fit" the system. So if he is brought in i think "the system" will need to be played around with yet again.

If this is the case will we be able to "hit the ground running" which is needed come the start of the season?

IF (as looks likely) RS leaves. KONO is a ready made replacement. As we were prepared to pay millions for him not so long ago we now don't seem to hold any interest in him. I know we bought other's (Lazar) when Kono didn't come, but would it not be advisable to be at least talking to the guy in case RS does leave?

This transfer committee seems not to know what is happening out in the "real world" and it is time it was abandoned for a more favourable model. One that, once a target has been identified it can act swiftly to make sure no one pulls the rug from under our feet and gets in on a player.

Ed001 (and to some extent Ed002 too). You have been saying for MONTH'S what is wrong at LFC.
Its TIME, that instead of FSG spending MILLIONS on a top to bottom review of the club, they had a word or two with you pair and SAVED all that cash which could be put towards players. (I am sure you would do it for a fraction of what it has cost them already. no figure's i know Ed002 hates discussing finance)

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

02 Jun 2015 08:24:30
Ranocchia is no better than Skrtel if you ask me, and he is even slower than Skrtel. Ings and Milner are not what we need if you ask me, and Ayewand Konoplyanka play in positions we are well stocked in. Pato has been nothing short of abysmal for a long time, anf is as injury prone as Sturridge.

Luiz Adriano is a goal scorer, has goof pace abd fits the with experience, he would be a very shrewd acquisition, but seemingly, no LFC interest.

02 Jun 2015 08:35:38
All the free signings will command a higher wage and signing on fees so won't be that simple and may not represent great value in reality.

02 Jun 2015 08:45:24
GM The real AG.

My point on those players were that they could be brought in for little money and we could SELL players in "positions we are well stocked in" to generate cash the club so desperately needs.

The club at the moment has become a laughing stock from top to bottom.

Players that BR seems to have NO confidence in (Marko Lovren Lucas) and FSG spend money (probably many millions) on a review and EVERYONE can tell them what the problem is.

Ed's on here have been banging on about it for month's. Yet they drag there feet and mess around in area's that are not the most important.

LFC need surgery and it's need it NOW not half way through next season.

And B4 anyone jumps on the I HATE FSG bandwagon. I DON'T.
They have done a good job in the time they have been here (granted made mistakes) but i just feel they cannot see the wood for the tree's!!

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

02 Jun 2015 08:51:23
Milner is exactly the type of player we need

02 Jun 2015 08:59:07
Pato lol

02 Jun 2015 09:51:55
Have to disagree with AG about Konoplyanka and Ayew, we have a lot of players who are playing their positions but none that should be.

We have a lot of players who are better centrally or behind the striker, were they are suited more to playing out wide. If sterling goes think Kono would be a good replacement. But until then is a player I would love but no room for him.

Ings is a good player and so is Milner, but would much prefer we just got in Luiz Adriano and still unsure if we need milner (great experience and varsatiliy but have have big squad!).

In fairness depending on who moves (eg mainly sterling as looks like he wants out) think adriano and konoplyanka would cover most of what we need.

If the players everyone expects leave (and unfortunately Sterling) getting those two on a free and a DM would be a great summer.

02 Jun 2015 10:04:01
Milner - another mid-fielder who cannot score!

02 Jun 2015 10:56:10
Milner can score, so your post is completley wrong. Man City did everything in their power to keep him, in case thoose bashing him didn't notice we can only dream to be in Man City's current position. Our average position in the last 5 years is 6th, City's is 1st or 2nd at worst so stop living in the fantasy past world. Milner would be a great coop. Actually believe he can do much better than us! Same goes for Ings who can join Spurs tomorrow but wants to come here!

02 Jun 2015 12:09:25
Ings and Milner I'm on board with. Always rated Milner -- he's a hard-worker and would easily fit with Henderson on the pitch. Ings is a young, quick and straight-forward striker, and is a no-brainer IMO. He can easily match our squad options, if nothing else.

02 Jun 2015 12:13:15
Milner started 18 games this season scored 5 and assisted 7 with 14 sub appearances in the Premier League.
Sterling started 34 with 1 sub scored 7 and assisted 7 playing mainly as a striker, so looking at the stats Milner has done well given Sterling is being labelled with a 40 million or however much price tag. When Liverpool were challenging for the league and Champions league under Rafa we had a player who did the donkey work as its called in Dirk Kuyt who would guarantee you a goal when you needed it most, last season our player who did all this hard work and got the goal could be seen as Suarez fortunately he also had unreal ability which Kuyt technically lacked. I am not James Milner's biggest fan I have often been far from it however in big games this season we have lacked that one player who is willing to just grit his teeth and continue to battle and Milner for me could be that man to help free up Henderson, free up our good players like Coutinho and turn out to be a great signing

02 Jun 2015 07:54:37
With speculation in the media in the last 24 hrs suggesting that a deal for Milner is close, backed up my Macca's words a couple of weeks ago, would it not seem odd, in the same breath metaphorically speaking to sack Brendan Rodgers and announce the signing of James Milner?

I for one believe that Rodgers will be here for the start of next season and will be given 3 or 4 players this summer to prove his doubters wrong.

02 Jun 2015 10:56:06
"To prove his doubters wrong." Plugglefish every single one of the travelling Kop, sung for Rafa to come back (not for me thanks.) Not only as he lost the dressing room, but he has also lost the fans. Many, many fans aren't renewing their season tickets because of BR. I imagine if he's still in charge next season (heaven help us if he is,) then many will start staying away from games like they did with Hodgson. Now some people will think that FSG know little or nothing when it comes to football, but their business men and if they start seeing empty seats at Anfield then BR will get the sack anywho. But fingers crossed it's sooner rather than later.

02 Jun 2015 12:12:53
He has proved his doubters completley right and worse. He can go and take Balotelli and Enrique with him :)

02 Jun 2015 14:43:33
If the they will feel it come season`s start.

02 Jun 2015 07:36:18
Just after people's honest opinions on Henderson this year. Whilst I appreciate his improvement and work rate since joining us, I can't help but feel he was extremely poor this season. Lacked short burst pace, frequently overran in midfield and had little influence in any of the big games. Is the affection of supporters clouding their judgment? Personally I just think he's not that great (Cleverley kind of level)Happy for him to prove me wrong though.

02 Jun 2015 07:49:07
I'd like to see him in a cohesive team first, without being shackled to having to do defensive work. I'll judge him then/

02 Jun 2015 07:50:02
So you think Henderson is at the level of cleverly. Enough said 😬

02 Jun 2015 07:53:05
Look at the players this season and compare them to last season. Only Coutinho looks better, the rest have looked poor. My opionion; They have looked poor due to tactics that haven´t fit the players, or perhaps I should say that they never got comfortable with one of the many systems Rodgers have played with.

02 Jun 2015 08:15:06
or he was limited by the tactics and formation?

02 Jun 2015 08:25:10
Henderson has been played out of position by the manager, on too many occasions as have half the other players in the team, he's playing attacking midfielders as strikers, wingers as defenders, and DMS as Center backs, i think Henderson performances while not been stellar have been decent given the fact he's not playing his natural position, we could signal out most of the team about their "performances" this season but at the end of the day it all comes down to the manager and his poor tactics so why not moan about Rodgers performance and lay off the players who are only doing what they are asked to do by the manager?!

02 Jun 2015 08:27:48
Henderson finished the season poorly but he has been LFCs most consistent performer last season. From open play, in terms of goals and assists combined, he has a very good record too. I don't know if he is captain material though, captains play a much reduced role in modern day football.

02 Jun 2015 08:41:15
Thanks for the responses. I agree that judging him after he's played a sustained period in his natural position is a fair shout. It can be quite easy to feel negative about players performances when they are so consistently played out of position.

02 Jun 2015 08:53:14
i think herderson is a good player for us and should be in the first team currently but maybe with new signing, who knows

02 Jun 2015 09:31:33
Licky Lambert, In any team I ever coached I had 11 players on the field who attacked and 11 players on the field who defended. Why should Henderson get a pass from being shackled as you say from any defensive duties?

02 Jun 2015 10:06:23
Hendo look a bit fed up and confused as to what his job in the team is.
Not suprising really.
I'm hoping under a new manager and with the extra responsibility next season we will see the best of him.

02 Jun 2015 10:35:03
7 goals and 14 assists in all competitions?

Cant be that bad, surely.

02 Jun 2015 11:01:35
Henderson : 7 goals 15 assists
Coutinho: 8 goals 7 assists

One has played in his preffered attacking roles all season (Coutinho) and one has played at RM, RWB, DM, RB and very very rarley in his preffred role of Box to Box MF of 3.

Henderson is without a doubt one of the most underrated players in the league and a top top pro and player. Anyone whohas been to a game in the flesh will see what a monster Hendo is, covering for Gerrards gone legs all game long! Without that he can concentrate in his own game a lot more.

02 Jun 2015 14:50:05
Hendo is a very 13/14 season proved that. this season, we all know why our players underacheived so what is the point discussing this or that player`s level when we know who was putting square pegs in round holes and making them look worse than they actually are? can and hendo are great examples of this.

02 Jun 2015 00:22:41
Ed001, seems were a
Little closer to signing Milner mate according to reports. Any feedback or nothing new?

{Ed001's Note - there is nothing new other than him now being able to look at the offers from English clubs. He still has to make a decision.}

02 Jun 2015 08:16:20
are we included in the offers he has ed001?

{Ed001's Note - we have spoken to him at least, I assume it was to make an offer as we had made it known to him we were interested.}

01 Jun 2015 23:42:37
Surely he's not going to carry on. I kept faith longer than most on here, but Christ, Werner's not going to roll up to tommorow's meeting with a "6th place, yeah great, that. Keep doing what you're doing, take this for Benteke and umm, I'll see you again next year. Oh don't worry Brodge, I've got the bill."
Find it incomprehensible that he'll be in charge come this time next week, could only mean all potential managerial targets rejected us.
Personally I'm going for him to be sacked on Thursday, but with every day that goes by, I'm starting to worry.

02 Jun 2015 07:06:40
IMO He will be gone by Friday. Provided that this rumoured meeting does take place tomorrow. Plus I've also got a bets with family and friends on it.

02 Jun 2015 07:46:07
Time to start getting used to the fact he is staying. Not because any manager rejected us but because our owners with all their good intentions don't understand much how football works in this level and just are not willing to pay BR the rest of his contract

02 Jun 2015 07:53:18
". I've got the bill." I hope the owners take him to a proper expensive restaurant and then make him go dutch at the end, that would be hilarious, would just be a shame I wouldn't be there to see it. :D

02 Jun 2015 09:33:03
So fanobip you have been having tea with Mr Henry and Mr Gordon then?

02 Jun 2015 09:34:38
Fanobip, if the owners deem it necessary, then BR will leave and be paid out accordingly. its naïve to think differently.

02 Jun 2015 11:27:41
faniop, i am sorry but that is just a lie

BR negotiated certain amounts to be paid to him if he failed to reach the targets he himself set (another clueless desicion by BR)

They have to pay him peanuts compared to what Man U paid Moysey! I think it was something like 1,5M, certainly nothing like the rest of his contract and he is getting the sack very soon, don't you worry!

02 Jun 2015 14:57:03
Fanobip, you have no knowledge that he is staying because NOBODY knows for sure so quit projecting as if you do and the owners might not know a lot about footie but they sure know a failure when they see one and have dealt with failed managers in the past whether here or in Boston and will do it again if necessary and it IS necessary. Toddy is spot on! I can`t see them saying "Carry on, BR! Awesome job". They will pay him off whatever it is because he has lost them more money than his payoff so cut bait, move on and go again with a manager that suits them

01 Jun 2015 22:27:02
Ed001 I've noticed the potential signing of Ings is dividing opinion with the fans. I think a lot of the negativity comes from him playing for a "small club" no disrespect to burnley, but when push comes to shove 10 goals in a team that doesn't create much and battled for relegation all season doesn't seem that bad. Although a lot of people are unimpressed with that return and believe a decent striker should of scored more but let's not forget that Sturridge only bagged 12 or something close to that figure at Bolton and look how that turned out.
Anyway I was wondering what your opinion on the player is? Would he turn out to be a decent signing or would you avoid him?

{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced by him, he was scared to take penalties for Burnley, he lost his head in January, and he scored no more than Borini managed in a team that created a lot less chances. I see no reason to add him other than his pace. It is a pointless acquisition. He is a lower end Prem player.}

02 Jun 2015 07:22:22
Sturridge got 8 in 12 at Bolton if my memory is correct an average return of 2 in 3 is good even over such a small amount of games

02 Jun 2015 07:56:52
If you spin it a bit ed001, he might know he's not very good at penalties and better players than him at them are willing to step up. I'm not sure of Ings penalty record but on the few occasions I have seen him I think he looks a lot better than Borini, he looks quicker with a better touch but this could be easily down to Borini never getting a chance

{Ed001's Note - he just didn't want to take them in case he messed up, that is lacking character for me. If he had been a defender or midfielder, that is different, but a top striker should always back himself to score one on one with a keeper from 12 yards out, with the whole goal to aim at.}

02 Jun 2015 08:52:32
Totally agree ed, and on top of that he is taking the place of a yesil or smith or sinclair. And honestly i think yesil is a better footballer than him too. We have origi, that should be enough in terms of youth acquisitions. Its time to buy real quality to support sturridge and i think higuain is a good shout too ed01, not got lots of pace but has a lot of football intelligence and is a good finisher who will score 15 to 20 a season.

I really don't see the point in a youth system with fsg transfer policy, makes no sense at all.

02 Jun 2015 11:14:20
He is taking the place of Smith?? Smith the LB who is refusing to stay at the club?? Lol
Or Yesil who is about to sign for Fenerbache? Or Sinclair who is going on loan to the championship?

You guys are talking about Ings like if he is from Burnleys academy or just broke through over there, 11 PL goals and 5 assists this season.
The season before that he scored 26 goals and had 8 assists.
and that was the season he became a starter for Burnley. 37 goals and 13 assists in his last 2 seasons and he only just turned 22. For the price, there is no risk what so ever, and he is not taking away a place from an academy player, they are far far off his level right now, maybe if Sinclair bangs in 20 goals in the championship next season he deserves to get his chances at Liverpool, because i remember a certain who Adam Morgan who was hyped as **** but can't even get a game i league 1. So. Ings welcome to Liverpool and good luck!

{Ed001's Note - SInclair is nothing like Morgan.}

02 Jun 2015 11:39:16
i completly know that ed. My point was until those players play competetive football we won't know if they are ready to play for us. Sinclair is just 18 and deserves to play regular football at a lower level first imo. I wish Sinclair would have gotten a couple of full games this seasn but BR doesn't play youth, its a myth.

{Ed001's Note - I do agree with you, though not about Ings. He is a decent enough player at the lower end of the Prem, but that's all he is. Added to his injury problems, which caused him to end up at Burnley in the first place, and I just think he is a big risk with a lack of character.}

02 Jun 2015 12:02:00
I won't argue with you about Ings ed because your knowledge of such things is beyond amazing, but if we sign him hopefully he can kick on a level or 2.

{Ed001's Note - I always hope players joining us will prove me wrong, fingers crossed he is one who does, if he does take up our offer.}

02 Jun 2015 12:14:57
Dont you agree though ed that Benteke is a far bigger risk? I can't even understand why we are linked with him? (unless big sam is our new manager) heeeehee

{Ed001's Note - fully agree, Benteke's attitude stinks as well as being the wrong kind of player.}

02 Jun 2015 12:34:55
Am i right in saying Dalglish didn't like taking penalties?

{Ed001's Note - not the same thing, he just never took them, Ings was the penalty taker then decided not to take them any more in case he missed and Burnley went down.}

02 Jun 2015 12:46:59
Benteke is another balotelli, youngish overrated and lazy we spent 16 mill plus fees on balotelli so it wouldn't surprise me if BR is in charge that he spends double that on an equally poor player, if he does stay and he signs him, its shows a complete lack of learning on his part.

02 Jun 2015 14:59:43
Ed is right and I`ve said that Ings is not what we need but if he comes and is ready to fight for the club then i will support him because if he succeeds, we all succeed.