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02 Nov 2012 21:45:57
18th December 2009 Reading sack Brendan Rodgers after the club lie 21st in the championship. May 2012 Swansea finish 11th in the Premier League. All of the above fills the majority of Brendan Rodgers CV.

Apparently this is deemed good enough to be worthy of managing Liverpool FC. Unbelievable

What's more, he comes in, says one thing and does exactly the other, on a consistent basis, football is no better, results the same, we are now wider than the mersey when teams attack us, impotent up front

However he plays the trump card than no fan can dare argue with. The daddy of all polyfilla's, to cover even the biggest cracks in the team, he throws in the kids, not just one but up to 5.

All fans can see is the future. The present is completely forgotten about. The talk is all about the 5 year plans, the rosy future in 10 years, how we're going to conquer the world.

All very good. Yes very detracting when the present is as miserable as it is. Do fans deliberately look elsewhere as a defense mechanism? Some way of ensuring they stay loyal, ever supporting, cause no one can say as fact what the future will hold, therefore it is harder to argue with. Throw in the evidence of a few potentially good kids and hey presto the club, the players, the owners, the manager avoid some stinging questions

Well i'm not detracted. Rodgers is not LFC quality, unproven, never won a bloody thing in the game. And if someone dares say he won a play off......?

It amazes me how anyone can say he will perform miracles. On what basis, evidence are you relying that on? The fact that Rodgers is particularly articulate in the words he uses?

I base my opinions on the evidence of this season, and the stinging words from the Reading owner who is renowned for giving manager's time.

He said he had to do something. The quality of football was poor, the players were not engaged and it was getting worse. Reading were becoming too easy to beat.

Still, i'm not being supportive am i?

Bob the Red

Bob , I can understand how frustrating it is when we get beat , I hate it , and look to see how we could have prevented that goal , it does my head in , but when a new manager comes in , changes everything , it just takes time , which we dont really have , to come good , for me the premiership is getting faster each season , and its becoming a young mans game , and it takes guts to give playing time to these kids , and not just one , but two or three , and 90 mins also , and all these young players will improve and help us win and win good and often , and save us millions , so keep the faith , our next win is coming very soon , yes , we need a top striker and quickly , but he will make that big difference , and top four will be ours again .
redforever

Please tell me who you wanted to be liverpool manager, to rebuild your club, i cant wait to hear how pep was avalible and how managers like jurgen klupp would jump at the chance to manage liverpool, because it will be funny to see how wrong you are, you expect better but u say u want a better manager who had winning experience, to manage players like charlie adam joe cole stewart downing, yeh they would love to ruin there reputation, your so deluded its insane, look at the bigger picture lfc are now giving BR the chance to make a reputation and give liverpool a posotive image again any fan can insult when things go wrong but even the best of teams have issues you have new owners that have been here 2 years and you want rid of them as well i bet, well have fun with hicks and gillete back.
princey

This guy had been given not even a third of a season. No, you aren't being supportive and are being extremely impatient. It's clear half of the fans here expect instant results, despite all of the change Rodgers has made. I bet you'll be one of the crowd declaring him the new messiah if we do well with him.

ChrisMiz

I understand where you are coming from, and I see your part of the argument , but what had Paisley won before he became manager? I am not defending BR but let us be more patient with our managers and don't forget it took fergie years to get to the level they are at now. I reiterate I am not defending br but you have to look at the other side of things.
hibsylfc

No you're not being supportive, Bob. You're very good at outlining the (supposed) problems but appalling at suggesting solutions.
What should happen now, Bob? Sack BR after 6 months because he's not come up to scratch yet? Get in a proven manager like....AVB, Mark Hughes, Sam Allardyce, Rafa and give them a maximum of 6 months to turn things around (or give them the flick)? And while we're waiting for FSG to sack BR should we get the 'Rogers Out' banners out and moan like a baby on internet forums because we lost a few games.
Your opinion is short-sighted, impatient and above all...completely childish.
Grow up. I doubt you are a fan of Liverpool FC but you are certainly not a supporter.

cozinoz

No your chatting pooh give the man a chance we were never gonna win the league with the players we had in under k.k if they were good enough he wouldnt need to use the kids just need a couple maybe 3 more good signings and get rid of 3 of the under performers and in a couple of years we will be up ther he will get atleast 2 years maybe 3 without winning anything from the yanks before they will sack him even they know it takes time its a shame you dont

Spot on Bob, best post on here for a long, long time. Far too many people who post on here bury their heads in the sand, claiming everything is fine and dandy, when it is clear to see (even to an person) that LFC are in a dramatic decline.

Part of your ramblings are right I agree, but as the eds and many posters have said we haven't got a sugar daddy to bankroll us lets get behind Brendon,his staff and the team.

Agree bob what lfc fans see in br bemuses me lfc are attrociaus this is now the worst lfc team and management team I have ever seen at Liverpool worse than souness woy etc {Ed001's Note - then you never saw us play under Souness or Woy, or you are completely clueless. Souness was quite simply the worst manager in the recent history of the club.}

The amazing thing is if we win our next 2 games vs the Barcodes and Chelski, a large majority of fans will start talking about 3rd place never mind 4th. Balance yourselves lads. such a roller coaster it is in here. Our 1st eleven are very decent. Our problem is depth and been short on strikers, but I cannot see any of the so called big clubs tearing us apart any time soon. Should have beaten City, Should have beaten Utd. Chelsea will be the next test. We aren't that far away.

Lucky for us we never had plastic fans like you when Shanks became manager.

Sod off and 'support' whichever plastic team is on the rise currently. Change to the next one whenever they get old and stale. Just stop claiming to be a LFC fan and stop posting on here. You know nothing about football.

These young players will improve and then they will want to leave a mid table side like LFC and move to a champions league team or hold the club to ransom when they want.
Fergie got time 26 years ago. He would not get time now. Hodgson got 18 games. Kenny got 18 months. Rodgers is doing worse than them. What makes you think FSG will change their standards for Rodgers? Because he plays kids? Not good enough.

You got it all wrong Bob.
1) No other manager can come in now, replace Rodgers and perform miracles with the squad we have now. Maybe Rodgers is doing the best he can with what he has, maybe he is not. No one will know until the end of the season, because that's the minimum time required (one full season) to turn a rotting situation around. If your intention is to question FSG's choice of manager, then it's just too late now and better to live with the situation and support the manager rather than change horses in mid race.
2) The owners have money and they are willing to spend it. They amply proved it last season. Maybe they're simply more hesitant now after last year's results given the investment made. They showed this best when they didn't sanction the money for Dempsey. Yes, we won a Cup and reached the final in another. But they clearly want Champions League participation and that's what all LFC managers are going to be judged by, as far as they are concerned. They bought and paid for the club. No one can tell them what their priorities should be. ra1969

Your clearly a short sighted idiot. We haven't even got through a third of a season yet and your saying he's going to fail?! You also have no evidence and if you actually watched us play you will clearly see we are playing well just not being efficient infront of goal which means we need a few more players. Saying that Suarez gets a hat trick and one gets disallowed. I'm still bitter over them 2 points.. I looked at the table and was disgusted

You cannot, "Quick Fix" this, the only way around it is either, get a billionaire to buy our way out of it, or....."The Fergie Way", bring the youngsters though. Plan one is obviously out of the question, so where going for plan two, which if you remember took Fergie 5 years and nearly cost him his job. We need to give Brendan time.

Sooty

03 Nov 2012 02:36:51
Ed1 mate what is about playing everytime you cover up by saying playing but don't talk about results which are main in footy. Is it RED TINTEd GLASSES or you have excepted we are a midtable team. Everyone can see we are in big decline but you try your best to cover up by finding excuses or have you forgotten we are talking about LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CUB. Nowdays finishing 7-8 is a success in your eyes mate. Or even you think RODGERS is new SHANKLY or PAISLEY. Truth is Rodgers is not good enough liverpool need manager who can atleast accumulate results but Rodgers is bussy in style then results. First we need to accumulate results then try to bring players who suit his style. Atleast for time being he should play to players strength in order to get results. Its same like Avb at chelsea trying to force everything quickly in one go. {Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? Come back when you can make sense instead of just typing gibberish with no basis in reality. Do you need some kind of help? Only what you have typed is based on complete fantasy, something about me thinking 7th is a success, when I have always said only winning things matters. Please run along and come back when you have grown up and can read and understand what you have read. Then we might not get such stupid posts from you in the future.}

02 Nov 2012 21:41:31
Why is Fergie defending Mark Clattenburg? Is he scared that the ref might tell everyone how the MAN U boss has influenced him

Ha I was waiting for fergie to come out with that , he could not do that straight away , and I am sure the truth will come out , how he has helped change so many games , just look back , on all the big games united play , the city , pool , gunners , and remember how it ended 11 V 10 , 11 V 9 , all them pens , free kicks just outside the box , pens not given against them , so many big decisions going there way , no wonder so many dislike fergie and united , but cheats never prosper , just remember , gone in 60 seconds , how good was that .
redforever

Fergie is thinking of amount of points he will lose if Clattenburg is kicked out.

Well kenny and liverpool got slated for defending suarez, i wonder if fergie and united will come under the same scrutiny
derryred

Fergie is like any other manager and will defend his players. In addition mark clattenburg is a very important part of their squad.

Fergie's squad doesn't have enough dept to lose one more member.
AnfieldUSA

02 Nov 2012 21:35:36
This is crazy, Sterling wants to negotiate the contract offer and suddenly he wants to go back to London and he isn't that good anyway!

I agree that IF he were to leave he would probably go back rather than joining another team up north, but it doesn't mean he wants to leave. I don't think he will spend his whole career at LFC but he must realise he is in the best place for now. If we improve over the next few seasons and get back on track maybe he will want to stay.

Anyone of us who knew we could get a salary increase if we haggled a bit would probably do it. £15k is plenty of money for a 17 year old, but why would he turn down the chance to get more if he can?

Ps we all know how good he will be let's not be in denial here

The problem is there is always going to be somebody out there willing to pay him what he wants, and it's just stupid saying he's not really that good as the fact is he's 17 and a first team regular, you wouldn't find that at any other big club.

There is a family reason that Sterling also takes into consideration. Everything has it's price, in this case 15K isn't it. RED LENIN

Why is raheem being treated as he is by so called reds fans .Who has said its 15k or that he wants more money or wants to leave Liverpool and now he is not that good let him go ! let me tell you so called fans if Raheem or his family read these stupid comments who would blame his family or him pushing for a return south this lad has left his home and family and friends to come to Liverpool football club and city and he is being treated as he has by red fans disgraceful for reds so disapointed by you people support the lad make him welcome back him if he wants more money dont you lot want wage rises every year may not be same amount but it a raise and I have worked away and been home sick but with the help and support of friends i have stayed and finished my work contract so give the lad a chance this boy is going to be a big tallent and if you lot leave him alone it will be for Liverpool Football Club

02 Nov 2012 20:27:48
If Sterling leaves it will only be a reflection of what many players feel about Liverpool. Sterling and Walcott want to play in the champions league and so did Joe Cole before he retired on 100k per week!


Nostrawigus

He is only a kid the money and the status of playing in the first team has gone to his head if he gets to cockey whack him back in the reserves for a bit see how he likes them apples might bring him back to earth

Sterling's not good enough for the Champion's League..................yet!

Keith

02 Nov 2012 20:03:53
Sorry but if anything it should be Walcott + 10 million for Sterling.

BthekingB

02 Nov 2012 19:55:08
Okay keep digging lad, you're writing off a 21 year old only months into his liverpool career.
derryred
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Derryred mate you need to understand that we can not afford another Borini type striker in january we need players to have immediate impact or else not only liverpool fc will be in trouble but even Rodgers. There is a reason why we are crying for striker coz if borini was scoring goals for fun then we wouldn't be desparate as we are. There is nothing about age look at hazzard or oscar or sterling or kagawa these players have already have impact.
Just imagine if we buy another striker who will not start to score then where will we be. You need to take out your goggles mate you talk too much about future and our youngsters but you forget the real world. Our youngsters will be snapped by big spending teams just like Arsenal are expereincing. You need to come out from your small world and look at REAL WORLD

Well i stand by that borini was a clever singing. do you think that suarez would've devastated the opposition defender like he does now when he was 21? i have no guarantee that we will keep all of our players but that doesn't mean to say i can't hope we do. i don't see why you are writing off borini as a good signing already, why can't he improve? why can't we get back to the top 4 in the next 2 seasons? all i am doing is what supporters are supposed to do; hope for success and support my team. that includes supporting the manager, coaches, owners and players.
derryred

02 Nov 2012 19:03:46
im going to get slated for this , but i just dont see sterling getting any betterthan what he he does now , everyone was on spearings back saying he is not good enough for liverpool , he done a job that was asked of him , and he done it well to me , but the same as got to apply to sterling , i watched him in the derby and i dont know how many times he had the chance to knock the ball past a player and use his pace , there was loads of space for him to run into he never chose that option once , now i know people will say he will learn to do it but i think if he has not learned it now he never will , the las is quick and can dribble but he is very light weight , the game against the blues showed this , i would say assaidi is better than sterling , so for me if he wants to go then we should get top price for him

02 Nov 2012 21:30:25
Mate we can not afford players like chelsea or manchester clubs we need to keep our youngsters at any coast if we let serling slip from our hand then won't take time for other clubs to to take them from us especially teams who can offer them money and success. For any football player money and success is very important which we can not offer them so will be very easy for big spending clubs to take them from us same as what happend with Arsenal. We need to give sterling what he wants before our future starts to look bleak coz we don't have anything in present we are heavily relied on our future.

Your talking about a 17 year old boy , who is acting like a prima donna already god help us when he is 19 and then 21 , how much money do you really think he is worth , 15k aa week plus all the add ons like apperance money and goal money and all the other add ons players get , if im wrong then we let a player who held us for ransom go for a good price , but if im right we get good money for a on trick pony , as i said in my post i cannot see him getting any better , and he is too light weight , dont forget we now have a 17 year old kid holding the club to ransom after playing a few games for us and in the last 2 games he has not been at his best , and if he gets a rise then the other kids will want the same which would be only fair to them , suso and wisdom have done their part just as sterling has done his but i have not heard anything about them wanting more money , we cant afford to let sterling upset all these young up and coming kids , i would get rid and get the best price for him

Stirlings hardly light wight

To be honest, the fact that sterling does not hoof the ball in front of him is good. He will learn and improve to dribble the ball,control it etc.If he was to hoof it he would not improve but he would be using his raw natural pace. You call him lightweight first of all hes 17, naturally he will only get stronger and if you look at his statistics it shows that he goes in to many challenges and wins a good amount especially for his size and age

GlJosh

02 Nov 2012 19:01:49
We were very successful when we had some spanish flair in Alonso, Arbeloa and Torres with some steel in Mascherano coupled with the creativity of Benayoun, all of who were very effective.

But all of a sudden we went off the track with Keane 20m, Aquilani 20m, Carrol 35m, Henderson 18m, Adam 7m and Downing 20 who have all dissapointed.

If we want to succeed once again, we need to go back to some spanish imports combined with south American steel.

Enough of this expensive British wastefulness who killing our club and fleecing of our meagre resources.

City tried it with Lescot, Milner, Johnson and Barry. But they only became effective when they brought some spanish based players in Toure, Silva and Aguero among others.

I say we go back to spain and fetch some hard spanish coco so we can bounce back once more.

Arbeloa flare?

KNEE JERK

Flair even. Don't think he ever burst into flame.
ND

02 Nov 2012 18:22:49
Ok ppl, been reading the the pages and just keep coming across the same nonsense. Here's my 2 pence worth. After the hicks and Gillette era, our club was in dire straights. The owners saved us from going down the rangers road. However we do have to admit they have since made errors, but not all are down to them, just like BR having to deal with a poor squad inherited, as do the owners. In terms of financial and advertising revenues we did not capitalise when we do dominated football and now we are playing catch up, both interms of the stadium and other lucrative sponsorship deals a club of stature should have. True standard chartered deal is big but it's also a deal we should have demanded years ago ( u get the jist ) with regards to the transfer kitty and manager, yes we would have loved to have a bottomless pit but our past dealings have lead to this situation, the owners gave KD a very sizeable kitty but unfortunately his purchases have beared no fruit. It begs to think what possibile signing BR would have been able to make with the same money. Anyway we always hear the for and against regarding rafa. Yes he made some bad signing but also remember he got the best out of carra, stevie and o yes a certain mr Torres, not to forget reina, masch, alonso and a few kids in the academy who as all you fans would agree seem quality, suso and sterling to name two. Also think of the players he really wanted at anfield alves, villa,silva to name but three, had he been givEn funds to sign these, for sure it would have lead to league success, but it didn't happen, but be grateful for what he did. I genuinely think that RH not been appointed and KD been in his place on a temporary, we would have possibly been in a better situation today, with BR or who ever else ( not Martinez) having a very large transfer budget to add to a squad of gerrard, Torres ( hopefully he would have still been here and performing ) and Suarez. I known that's a lot of what ifs. In my opinion I think our club still does have the right personnel in the correct places (Ian ayre ) David dein would be far better, also the like of tixi ( man city ) cruyff ( Barca ) kaiser ( bayern ) our scouting needs to be better. BR van deliver the goods will take time, money and support from the club and us

Sorry mate but you're talking absolute nonsense and I can't have our history distorted like that.
When we dominated Europe we were marketing innovators.
Who was the first club to wear sponsors on their shirts? It was Liverpool, rapidly followed by every other club side in the world.
Where we let it slip was when SkyTV came along. This was post Hillsbrough and David Moores had donated millions to the club to build the centenary stand. In return he got new shares and was chairman. Man United saw the potential of SkyTV and the revenue on offer. They splashed out on Schmichael, Kanchelskis, Keane, Parker, Pallister and Andy Cole. Plus Leeds gave them Cantona for next to nothing. They saw their opportunity and we let them take it , but our club was in crisis post Hillsbrough.

02 Nov 2012 17:37:35
We had a visit from john alridge at our local fan club he says he told us that gary hooper and wilfred zaha wil defo be coming in january :P

I canr believe we are buying defo

02 Nov 2012 17:36:27
Guys, fellow Liverpool supporters, it's a myth we don't spend money! We spend money - just not enough on the right players over the last few years. Probably due to the fact we're on our 4th manager in as many years...

In my opinion, we've spent enough money to warrant saying we should have squad good enough to compete for 4th place.

We spent 35m on carroll , 20m on downing, 15m on allen , 16m on henderson, 12m on borini, 23m on suarez, enrique ana adam 7m each,
we dont spend money??WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?

majestic69

03 Nov 2012 09:50:59
Majestic69- Are you agreeing or disagreeing with the op?

02 Nov 2012 17:15:56
To be fair to Sterling he lived in London until he was 15 and probably misses life there such as Friends and Family.

02 Nov 2012 16:45:39
With regards to Raheem sterling I think BR knows what he is doing with the contract if you pay him silly money he could quite easily go off the rails 15 K for a 17 year old aint bad and it will probavly increase each year so lets just trust the managment {Ed002's Note - The contract talks will be nothing to do with the manager.}

BR knows what he's doing,do you thinks
so,what as BR done to deserve his BIG
hike in wages one season in prem.
finishing 11th WOW.....MID-TABLE
MEDIOCRITY BECKONS.........

auntie annie.......

I think the F dropped off your name you buffoon

02 Nov 2012 16:36:52
Eds do u think raheem will stay with liverpool? And for a long time?. he is a player with such quality he can b such an important player for us for years to come. I've waited so long to see him play in the first team an as soon as he does an looks good every1 seems to think he is going. {Ed002's Note - It is not possible for me to say how long he will stay.}

02 Nov 2012 16:36:51
Hey eds, do you know if Liverpool Will move quickly in january to get a striker as soon as possible, or will we wait to we can get the right one at the right price?

AC from DK {Ed002's Note - There is no way the club would buy early just for the hell of it.}

Where's the sense in that? Surely we must wait for another monumental cock up in the last day (it's the Liverpool way). Even Arsenal have worked out that purchasing late means you are held to ransom. We must have a list of options, we need to work our way through if. If there is no value in the market, then continue to blood the youth. This season is not about league position it's about finding the right blend for seasons to come. Whats the point on over paying for a big name? They won't come until we're successful and they don't fit the BR philosophy. It's not as if we need that type of player for the remainder of this season. Now summer might be a different story!

By the summer, we might be mid table and which 'big name' will want to come to us then, especially if we can't offer any European football? I'm sorry and might be wrong, but would like an OK name or two in January to spur us on for a good finish in May. They don't have to be your Hazzards and Agueros of this world, just better than what we have in their relevant position and who would be genuine starters.

Keith

No lets leave it late. There is nothing worse than sitting down watching a web site on deadline day knowing lfc are not signing anyone. It is far more exciting if you leave it late.

I think you're right. Mid table is where we'll end up this season. I think the BR project is to use this season to get the team playing in his style. With two transfer windows to tinker with personnel, I can see big names being interested during season 2013-14. By then we should be financially stable and results on the pitch should be matched by passion and purpose on it. We got to back BR, if not we will have another ten years of chop and change. If that happens relegation is as likely as a title win.

02 Nov 2012 16:35:39
Hello Ed002,
I haven`t seen Enrique in action for quite long, but I have to say that he looked really good after coming on vs Everton. I wasn`t impressed with Wisdom though, but I suppose Rodgers has no great choice with Johnson and Kelly out. My question is when will Glen and Martin be back and is Rodgers looking for a defender in January, assuming noone leaves? thanks. {Ed002's Note - Kelly will be out most of the season - perhaps back fro the Europa League and FA Cup finals. Johnson should be available this weekend. A defender is not a priority for January I wouldn't have thought.}

Wisdom had an off game like all players do he will get better as he is quality. most clubs would take him have you watched him in other games?ray 3037

02 Nov 2012 16:27:25
All this talk of sterling leaving to go back to london is a joke....if he doesn't want to play for Liverpool n demands silly wages then why would we want someone like that at our club.... What's the old saying, no one is bigger than the club! He's only 17 and needs to be realistic n keep his feet on the ground like suso is doing! Get real sterling or get lost

Ack17

He's really not that good ! bit like lennon at spurs , looks a better forward than winger , and has Michael Owen trates .. he will never be loyal to Liverpool

02 Nov 2012 21:48:50
In all fairness why should he stay 'loyal' to Liverpool? He's not from Liverpool and I'm sure he probably didn't support Liverpool as a kid! He wasn't loyal to QPR, he made the decision to leave to further his career, and I'm sure he will stay with us until he has another opportunity to further his career. I don't mean that in a harsh way, but if our owners want to keep our best players they have to give them a reason to stay. Whilst money plays a part, many players also want to achieve as much as they can - like anyone does in their job. Sterling owes a lot to Bredan for giving him this opportunity, but if the owners don't do what needs to be done and other clubs come callIng should he stay with us forever? We expect players to leave other clubs for us, but once their here expect them to want to stay at LFC for the rest of their career, unless we dont think they're good enough, in which case we slate them and slate them and call them all the names under the sun, even if they would dedicate their whole
career to us ie Spearing. We can't have it both ways

If a pay rise is the only thing that can distract him from the fact that he misses London, it won't be long before it comes up again. And again...

02 Nov 2012 16:06:17
Any chance in Kevin Doyle? {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}

02 Nov 2012 15:49:20
Seems like everytime we lose a lot of supporters get dumped by their girlfriends or lose their job. Unreasonable hating has become the norm.

Up Liverpool! By the time my son is old enough to speak I hope we can truly say Liverpool came from the brink of extinction to reclaim their masterclass status under Rodgers.

- Logic

At this rate, by the time your boy can talk we would have hated out another two managers! No one gets a chance these days! It is a results game after all!

Mangasuicide

02 Nov 2012 15:28:27
Ins:

Benat: Real Betis
Walcott: Arsenal
Villa: Barcelona

Id weep with joy if we get those, but i cant see it

02 Nov 2012 15:04:05
Rodgers said 'we have january funds'. Does that mean we going for a clinical striker like bent, hooper, hunterlaar or demaio? Yes or No

I hope hooper

I think we have all leant that we can never trust what Brendan rogers or Ian ayre say in regards to transfers. Who knows what's going to happen in jan. but if the priority isn't a striker then the coaching staff is deluded.

Both highly unlikely esp damiao, my inclination is damiao would want to go to spurs! Said as much in the summer! his agent I believe enquired at liverpool and a couple of others to see what was on offer? if it is england then spurs but I expect damiao to be playing in madrid (ath) once falcao is sold!

Hmmm Damiao or Hooper? Tough choice there

02 Nov 2012 14:34:56
Could see a situation where BR gets rid of Sterling in exchange for Walcott if it gets to a point where Sterling's wage demands are silly (even though I think he is great and we should pay him decently). Relationship between BR and Sterling doesn't look brilliant - Sterling looks to have a little bit of an attitude; maybe just young and cocky, but BR doesn't like it...

02 Nov 2012 15:37:57
What concerns me isn't that he is damanding more at this stage in his career as he surely can't be haggling for £100k a week...it worries me that if this is in his nature he will be prone to doing it again in the future. It's fair that he should be paid what he is worth, but come on, £15k a week is plenty of money for a 17 year old who has been a first teamer for 5 minutes. I guess this also depends on Buck's plans for him. Is he only being played regularly because he is the best option we have at the moment, and Rodgers plans to bring in another winger, or is his place permanent now excluding injuries or suspensions? Either way I'm concerned. He is a fantastic player but would hate for us to have a Rooney on our hands

Sorry but with joe cole at the club getting 100k Sitting on the bench. We should get rid of him and a few obvious others in jan. offer sterling a more lucrative contract. Get certain targets on the shortlist (at least 1 forward is a must prefebly a striker). It's easy to see what we are short off and that is only in the final third nothing more.

02 Nov 2012 15:54:31
I don't think he'd be offered in exchange for Walcott, however I share your concerns about Sterlings relationship with BR. He does seem to have a bit of an attitude, which Rodgers will be trying to deal with. In time I think Sterling will appreciate this, however I can't help but feel he may be thinking the grass is greener elsewhere, which, of he were to make a move, he would regret in time, at which point it will be too late. We are the most successful club where he would be getting so much playing time. If he were to move home to London it would surely only hinder his progression. I hope I'm wrong and that his relationship with Brendan is fine, and I hope there are enough players around him, to guide him and help him out. I hope he stays will be an absolute star in a few seasons if he works hard. Suso on the other hand I have no concerns over, if playing against united really was the best day of his life, just because he got to play, despite us losing it really shows he understands what it means to play for LFC .

What does sterling do

Like how people say we should sell Cole. I don't disagree, but who exactly would buy him? We'll be well lucky to get him out on loan again somewhere and only get stuck picking up 50% of his pay...

I dont feel 15k is taking the piss, he is effectively serving his time, in year two upto 30k , year three 45 and year four 60, if he continues to progress in his trade the way he has, if he doesn't he goes to another employer.

Sign of times hard balancing act. And makes working people sick.However it sends wrong signals him going, especially at this stage

02 Nov 2012 14:17:56
Hey Eds, I am hearing rumours that Liverpool are close to signing a pre contract for Huntelaar, do you know if there is any truth to this? I find it difficult to believe myself. Also would it not be better if Liverpool were to sign Walcott to sign a pre contract in January rather than spend 10-15 million to get a player with only months left on his contract? {Ed002's Note - Huntelaar cannot sign a pre-contract before January. Walcott cannot sign a pre-contract with Liverpool in January.}

02 Nov 2012 14:01:21
Can anyone clear all this Sterling talk please? I haven't the foggiest whats going on.

He wants to go to a bigger club who are going for titles and top 4 instead of waiting 6 or 7 years for liverpool to try and get there.

02 Nov 2012 15:32:50
Haha ignore the person who replied to the OP...as far as I'm aware we are trying to negotiate a contract with Sterling but there has been some disagreement over his wages. Apparently he has been offered £15k but has turned it down. However talks continue and there is reason to believe both Sterling and LFC will come to a compromise where both parties are satisfied. Sterling is in the best place he would be a fool to leave at this stage in his career.

The reply is a complete lie. Sterling wants a better contract to the one he is being offered an rightly so. He's one of our best players, he's young and has bags of quality. We pay cole 100k, even though this is not out of choice we need to make it clear tht he needs to go. Either pay out his contract or find him a club, otherwise you'll be paying more in the long run if he decides to sit on his contract.

....if he decides to sit on his contract.

I'd prefer cole sits on it rather than collect it!

Lil Red

02 Nov 2012 13:58:34
Expect us to go for Zaha if we don't get Walcott

More like Haha !

Much love

02 Nov 2012 13:56:03
If you look at the current squad we are getting a strong back bone in the team and age is on our side minus Johnson & Reina.

..................Reina....................

Johnson...Skrtel...Agger...????

....???.....Lucas......Allen.....

...Suso.....Suarez...Sterling.....

We need 2 good young quality players to fill
the empties

Ahaha no! Not at all. This is a completely deluded post. Our priority has been a striker/forward for a very long time now. Borini seems to be a complete waste of money (constant moaning about how he wanted to stay at Roma or excuses for why he doesn't score goals). Sterling has stepped up and assaidi looks quality but there is little goals in both these players because they provide something different. Suso is playing out of position (more of a number 10 CAM player. Shelvey has stepped up and will only get better as the season progresses. Enrique still deserves his chance as I see him still being good for us. Along with this Robinson should get more playing time. Wisdom will become 4th choice CB with carragher becoming apart of the staff. Henderson in my opinion can stoll come good, he's young and has good ball control but in any case the only time I would sell hendo would be to bring in a quality DM as back up for Lucas. I'm hoping in the summer we make Sahin more permanent because he will eventually show his true potential and this means we don't need a replacement for gerrard when he retires. Downing should be sold so we get additional funds in jan (currently only £4m). Cole and doni should be sold ASAP. Carroll and spearing should be sold in the summer (possibly Pacheco). In jan we should only buy a forward/striker (ideally a clinical finisher). In the summer with all the above sales we should have around £18 mill plus £25 mill from sponsors. This should go towards making Sahin permanent (£15mill+) and another, and another winger (dries mertens would be possible and a good target for this system £10-12mill). If anything left over It should go towards any tweaks we need to make (LB or GK). That is all

Suso needs to be played more central in a 4-2-3-1. What about Shelvey? What about Robinson and Smith?

I would like to see a front attacking 4 (3-1) of:

Walcott Suso Suarez
X

Don't know the X but Suarez is not a goal poacher.

02 Nov 2012 16:34:00
jonjo will fill that midfield spot, when he learns to tackle he will turn into a top player, he has confidence, great passing range, likes to shoot given half a chance, i really think wilshere,cleverly and shelvey will be the future of englands midfield

The only person moaning about borini is u.he is only 21 give him some time

Delighted to see someone that has somthing good to say about Henderson
NAVANRED

02 Nov 2012 13:29:44
Are the Huntelaar rumours true ? ynwa {Ed052's Note - We have said that if he becomes avaliable then there could well be interest in him}

02 Nov 2012 13:21:48
Tom Werner's remarks re CL are quite laughable, as is anyone expecting BR to get us top 4 this or next season.

The top 4 is locked in between City, United, Chelsea and Arsenal.
It's us, Spurs, Everton and Newcastle trying to dislodge Arsenal, and right now, all those three teams have stronger squads than us.
The table doesn't lie. We the 8th best team in the division.

The earliest LFC can return to CL is next year, but that will mean spending significant cash on really good players (e.g. Isco, Llorente, Mertens, Mvila, Ilicic etc). But that's not going to happen now, is it? FSG haven't a pot to piss in, couldn't buy themselves a friggin' toothpaste.

The other way, which is the likeliest and would take 3, 4 years max, is to wait for kiddies like Suso, Sterling, Yesil, Shelvey to develop and become "world class" enough to get us back in there.

Now problem with this approach is that, while we sit twiddling we thumbs waiting for the kiddies to come good, our rivals are marching ever ahead, in fact accelerating.

Arsenal, Spurs and Newcasle-- who already have better squads than us-- look set to bring in the likes of Adrian Lopez, Mvila/Capoue, Moutinho, Damaio/Llorente, Sissoko, respectively.
Everton and Moyes as well will be active. There have already been strong links to Lewis Holtby.

We do have potential. The young 'uns offer much hope.
But my fear here is that, but the time Suso, Sterling, Yesil have developed enough to be major impact players, we'll be so far behind that the order will be much taller than it is now.

The problem imo with us is that, we have been terrible spenders. Suarez is the only genuine impact player we've bought since Torres.
Look at Spurs. Dembele and Vertonhgen have come in and done truly big, genuine impact.
Arsenal brought in Cazorla. We know how good he is, ripped us apart at Anfield.
Everton-- Mirallas.
Genuine impact.

The great thing is that all of these players were steals, friggin bargains looking at their ability.
Why can't we get such players?
This is killing us.
For all their potential, Suso and Sterling, right now, aren't major impact players, they hardly genuine goal threats.

It's only Luis we have. He's carrying all the burden on his shoulders alone. And that's not fair, neither is it productive.
Do you realise how much difference it would make, how genuine dangerous we would be, how even better Luis would be, if he had a Llorente and Mertens to pass-to-and-fro, interchange with?

But that's NEVER going to happen now, is it? Because LFC is allergic genuine "worldies". We love our Downings just tooo much.

Ah, well. Can't wait to welcome £18m Grant Holt to Anfield in Jan. English, okay-ish and, cherry on top, overpriced... exactly how we like we desserts. And he's a striker, afterall, and we looking for one, right?

Canor

So much to disagree with in this post not worth starting.

So So so boring it's unbeliveble. Mate if you honestly think that arsenal, newcastle, aand the people have a better team than ours your mental. Straight up chicken oriental!! Im not going go through them player bye palyer but come on mate there on the same level as us.

The way I see this situation at my mighty club is this.
1. quality and I repeat quality Manager
2. quality Owners
3. Following a good finanical setup like the gunners and Dortmund makes me proud to be a liverpool fan

We all and I repeat all true fans need to bye into this future for our club and support them to the hilt. Our fans at the games need to stand up and be counted, Im embaressed to say the chelsea fans are out signing us this year. Where has our once mighty voice gone? There signing at us we only sign when were winning. this seems so true at the moment.

I for one Im looking forward to the future not back, no torres coming back rubbish! we only look forward and Im loving the ride were on. So what we got beat in the cup during the week, theres always next year lads, and the league is number one for me. YNWA think a few need to really look into what that means, we are a family and we stick together, we make greats we dont need to bye them , aand we will win the EPL the right way. HAPPY HAS LARRY.

Scootybhoy1888

Stopped reading wen i read newcastle has a better squad than ours.

Sorry for the banter reds but you say you are the 8th best team in the premiership and the table does not lie....actually you are in 12th position. I thought that made you the 12th best team? degsybluenose

In all fairness my hope of a top 4 finish went with deadline day. It is about building for the future, i guess bayern munich were getting ever further ahead of durtmund, who won the league 2 seasons in a row along with battering them 5-1 in the cup final. psg, marseille, lyon and lille were also miles ahead of montpellier, how did last seasons french league finish? we will be back in the top 4 again, and until then support the team.
derryred

02 Nov 2012 13:01:58
I just saw an article showing how much we've actually wasted on players.. Just think if BR had been in charge.. I actually think of the players he would of got :|

Who would he have got? What players has he brought yhat have been so outstanding to suggest we would have a team full of world beaters?

The Irish Rover

Your seriously suggesting he would not of got better use out of a hundred million then Caroll downing Henderson? An example is assadi already a better player then downing was 16 million cheaper and younger

02 Nov 2012 14:57:28
Assaidi > Downing
Allen > Hendo
Borini is a better deal than Carroll no doubting it

BR spend £29m ish

KD £70m ish

You were saying?

Allen for one, Borini was for the future and Assaidi has looked a great player considering he cost around £3 million.
Think BR would have signed great players for the money Dalglish had.
He also has the balls to play the kids like Suso and Sterling instead of sticking with Downing and Henderson week after week despite their poor form.

Jay

Irish rover is somehow always negative.

How can you call assaidi, allen and borini better players when so far we sre in a worse position than last year and out of the only trophy we held. Plain daft!

The Irish Rover

02 Nov 2012 21:54:06
Individually they are better players and have more impact in games, it's changing to BR's style of play that has given us this shaky start. The defense is more exposed and were being killed on the counter attack.

Lst post nail and head we miss lucas mate

02 Nov 2012 12:57:14
Considering we don't have much money do you think the players we sign will be less well known such as assaidi?

Another question, any interest in Richmond boakye? Plays in the Italian second division but I am pretty sure juve owns him.

Thanks heaps,

Sam lfc {Ed002's Note - I don't see Richmond Boakye moving to Liverpool.}

02 Nov 2012 12:31:56
Eds,
Ive heard not a very nice news that Rodgers will only be given 10M in Jan..Other than that need to sell player. If true, looks like FSG still have no idea what's the effect to Liverpool players. Lack of ambitions. Care to comment on this?

Juan Vargas also out of contract in June. Still possible target for left wingback position at Lfc? gud player to cover both leftback n leftwinger.

Walcott to Lfc. Is it possible? of course i know walcott is lfc fans. but is Lfc willing to pay 100K wages for him?

ItsJimmy. {Ed052's Note - 10m is not too bad, and if we shift people and wages that will only go up. I would not think that Vargas is an option, but Walcott very much is}

02 Nov 2012 13:13:16
In all fairness though a £20 - £30m striker just wouldn't be an option at the moment considering the wages they would demand. We can cope with another striker until
May, we have decent squad depth in other positions, and Borini and Lucas will be back with us soon. Theo would be perfect in my opinion. We've all seen recently how deadly he can be in his preferred position.

02 Nov 2012 13:09:18
Ed, I know you may not be able to answer this, but is your previous answer regarding Walcott because you know we have interest? Or because Walcott would welcome the move? Or because arsenal are likely to accept what we can pay them? I'd be more than happy with Walcott. We'd have an incredibly versatile front three with either Luis or Theo able to step into the winger or striker role. Imagine the pace our attackers would have with Sterling, Suarez and Walcott!

Thanks for all your hard work ed {Ed052's Note - I think Walcott would probably welcome the move and and also we do have interest. No problem my friend}

Eds right in saying if we shift out players and wages the budget will go up.

Owners £10m

Outgoings

Cole -£2m - frees up £90k
Pacheco - £1m - frees up £15k
Downing - £10 - frees up £80k
Carroll - £17m - frees up £80k
Doni - £0 - frees up £30k
Spearing - £3m - frees up £30k

Income from sales £33m
Wages saved per week £325k

So we would have around £43m in Jan

My New Signings would be

Hunterlaar £8m - £90k
Walcott £8m - £100k
Mertens £11m - £80k

But Will we probably get

Hooper £7m - £50k
Sturridge £8m - £85k
Benat £11m - £65k {Ed052's Note - For some of those players we could not sell then until summer, e.g. Carroll. For others, e.,g. Spearing, you wouldn't get that much for them. And to answer your question, if wages reduce, it can give us a bit more flexibility yes}

02 Nov 2012 13:46:48
Mate if they give another 10m for striker in january as you say that means they have spend 20m+ on strikers including Borini. Rodgers needs to be careful with the money coz if thise time he fails to buy the right striker(Borini) then we will be in a big, big trouble including Rodgers

Okay keep digging lad, you're writing off a 21 year old only months into his liverpool career.
derryred

Borini runs about a lot but he is not exactly lethal. He may get better yes but I do not see that instinct that goal scorers seem to have.

02 Nov 2012 12:29:45
{Ed052's Note - I have just posted a new profile on Joel Pohjanpalo, a kid who has been linked with the club over the past couple of days. I hope you enjoy;

http://player-profiles.co.uk/joel-pohjanpalo.php}

02 Nov 2012 12:27:45
Any Interest in signing kevin gameiro or huntelaar both would be excellent additions to the team.
Thanks
Smithy {Ed052's Note - Interest in Gameiro seems to have passed and there may be interest in Huntelaar should he become available at a reasonable price}

02 Nov 2012 12:05:07
Reports are Downing and Enrique aint part of future plans, but maybe hard to offload them cos've cash their on=exactly part've whats wrong with society and mainly footy as a whole-greed!
Playing footy for a living,well paid to do that. Wheres their personnel pride? Surely move and play matches {Ed052's Note - Neither are in favour, so may go if we can get rid of them, but get replacements in}

02 Nov 2012 11:59:11
Hi first time poster, personally i can't realistically see us bringing in any significant signings in january although i thought the huntelaar story seemed pretty convincing and id love to see us bring in a high class striker like that.

id love to see drogba and walcot in liverpool shirts (drogba on loan and walcott long term) but again cant see it happening realistically

any news on us bringing in any defenders? and is there any chance we can shift joe cole in january?

Thanks {Ed052's Note - I wouldn't think a defender will come in in January, and COle may go}

02 Nov 2012 11:49:29
Hi eds,

Just wondering if for whatever we cannot reach an agreement with sterling over a new contract, how much do you think we would be able to sell him for?

I would expect at least 12million seeing as the ox went to arsenal for the same price and I believe sterling has far more potential.

Thoughts appreciated

J. {Ed052's Note - I should think that we will be able to agree a deal. At the minute, both parties will be trying to agree a deal best for them. In the end I am sure that a mid way deal will be agreed}

02 Nov 2012 11:54:32
We are in need of a striker, desperately i think we can all agree. Now im good mates with the manager at the old red lion, and Ken Aguero isn't first choice, something to do with espresso's or something, but we can give him the help he needs to be a top prem goal poacher! No?

Its gotten old my friend.
derryred

Yep agreed, but we needed something to smile about after all the sack him, sell him, he's shocking posts

Well lad i'll drink to that.
derryred

01 Nov 2012 21:55:02
hi everyone, ed052 i like your passion to lfc, for how long have you been a fan? and do you think BR is the type of manager to suit us and do you think he has the right insight and ambitions?
hisbylfc {Ed052's Note - Hia my friend. Well, it all started in 2005. I wasn't a big football fan at all. In fact, I had no clue about football really. I had played a little bit but wasn't interested at all. I remember sitting down for the night when the Champions League final was on. I wasn't at all intereted, but flicked over with it at 3 nil at half time, and being all nerdy was thinking, well, this will end up 6 nil, as they will double the score (obviously knowing nothing about football). I then watched the second half, and the rest is history as they say. From that moment in when we turned it around, I have immersed myself into the club, history and football totally, to the point where I now live, bleed, cry, celebrate and breath LFC. SO I guess I would have been a Red for what, 7 years now?! In terms of the manager, I have every confidence in him. He has the ambition, determination and experience to transform the club, I have no worries about that, he just needs time, and the FANS FULL SUPPORT!!}

Like most Liverpool fans, just glory hunters. but the way Liverpool are heading you will soon run out of them. they will just move on to another glory club

Ha ha ha i have probally forgot more about footie than what you know ed052, you never speak the truth on here just have liverpool goggles on and then you say you only support liverpool because they won the champs league well ha ha ha ha typical liverpool fan and whats even worse when other liverpool fans moan about money and stuff you tell them to support man city or chelsea ha ha ha thanks ed052 you have made my day dude. {Ed052's Note - No, Im not a glory hunter at all. If I was, why would I have supported Liverpool!? When I watched the Final, it was the first ever game I had watched, and I guess I fell in love with the clubs passion and fight, and love for the club. }

Don't worry bout those comments ed052, u only get called a glory hunter by fans who are not use to winning trophies so they must be jealous bitter blues who hypocritically probably only started supporting Everton in mid to late 80s, so take it with a pinch of salt ed ynwa

Thanks for your answer ed052 and welcome into the lfc family, supporting is not about how long you have been doing it, as some of the posters think, but in how you support the club and your sincerity in doing so.
hibsylfc

02 Nov 2012 16:11:38
Ed052 mate,that story could've been written by me,because thats exactly what happened to me.
The idea that football could encapsulate somebody,as it did me that night,that so many people could stand together as one,and be united.
To be so totally emersed in a game of football was unheard of to me,i didnt have anybody to pass that down.

Everybodys love story with LFC has to start somewhere,right? I think its poetic justice that it happened during argueably the most memorable game of our history.
Even now,7 years on,ive yet to see any of our rivals perform a feat like that.
Regardless of how you became a fan,whats important is being that fan,cheering on your club.
Whether you can make it to Anfield or not or whether you became a fan earlier in life or later. Its Pointless.


WelshBoyDave {Ed052's Note - Yes mate, you have to start off from somewhere and thats where we started.}

01 Nov 2012 17:43:22
ed52 thise is for you


Liverpool: Champions League football 'critical', warns Werner


Liverpool chairman Tom Werner has warned it is "critical" the Anfield club secures a return to Champions League football.
Werner told 5 live Sport Liverpool were missing out on vital revenue from the competition.
"It is critical we make the Champions League because there is so much revenue associated with that," Werner said.
Werner also admitted in the interview that Brendan Rodgers success hinges on securing champions league football

Liverpool play in the Europa League under new boss Brendan Rodgers this season, having qualified via their League Cup win in February.
But it is the loss of revenue from high-profile Champions League matches that worries Werner.
Chelsea earned £47.3m from winning last season's competition.
Liverpool last played in the Champions League in 2009 and Werner wants to see the club rub shoulders with the elite again.
"We see our competitors not just as Chelsea or Manchester City and Manchester United but we see Barcelona and Real Madrid as teams that are iconic and playing good football," he said.
"We know our competitors are working hard. We need to work just as hard and be just as smart."
Werner said the club's management was drawing on its experience of running baseball's Boston Red Sox to try to bring more money into Liverpool. {Ed052's Note - Hia mate. Yes, I understand what he has said, and what they have said before about the Champions League being the ''holy grail'' if you want to put it like that. But should Rodgers get his style going, and improvement in the team, players playing better, youngsters doing well, and we end up closer to 4th, then I think that he will stay. However, at this point in the season it is all just speculation as to what is good enough for him to keep his job. At the point we should just support him, the team and the club, as we always should and leave the specualtion to when it is needed.

I don't see how werner can sack brendan rodgers for not making champions league football without giving him proper backing in january. I'd have thought a more realistic target would be to acheive around 5-10 more points than last season, and then next season juge our team.
derryred

We don't see our competitors as Chelsea or Manchester City and Manchester United but Stoke, Reading and West Brom.

If all that is true, expect big signings in Jan..

02 Nov 2012 11:35:31
As people keep banging on about getting rid of BR, consider this, what top manager would consider coming to Liverpool when the managers aren't given any time.

I hope Sterling signs a new contract, would hate to see him go south, I couldn't see him getting the same amount of game time he does with us.

He realises his worth and is trying to get the best deal possible, maybe a contract that rises year on year and a big signing on fee would be better for both parties. If he leaves now we would receive nowhere near what the kid is worth and I hope he respects the chances he's been given and the love that the fans have for him already.

I am positive about the Newcastle game but as with most of us, have a disturbing feeling that it may end up a draw. Fingers crossed.
McB

Never heard of Rafa Benitez? He would just love to come back to his beloved LFC.

Rafa benitez is a great coach who should be respected for his acheivements here and at valencia however now won't have gerrard or carragher at their prime anymore, he won't be able to offer huge wages to attract players here either. i do admit that he has an eye for a player however the football we played under him would bore you to tears.
derryred

02 Nov 2012 10:45:16
Tony Evans-The Times-Reds fan to boot-reporting-In HIS opinion Fenway won't sanction the wages Walcott reported to want,despite 8m being decidedly low now a days.Don't know wether i'm having that.There's already several Red's players on in excess of 100k a week if you believe reports

Don't believe reports, perhaps the players benitez signed or who have been at the club for a few seasons ie, agger, johnson, skrtel, gerrard, riena, carragher, lucas. Then Joe cole, sahin and suarez. I'm just guessing but.
derryed

02 Nov 2012 10:44:36
Ok so we've had a night to digest fume and move on hopefully. For me personally I've been itching about Joe Cole, this lead me to seek out a recent performance of Joe's, well 2010 Aug but you get the jist, I don't argue or disagree with anyone shouting from the rooftops for him never to wear the shirt again as I kinda agree, even if he's seen better days I think you still must give the effort to the shirt and produce something.
Now there are a number of factors tied in with a player playing well I think and one of which is confidence, right now even though we r a team going through transition we are still a massive institution and Liverpool players life life through a lens, for me right now we play with a fear of failiure.
2. Joe has been awful everything from his touch to his vision and passing ability / control has gone but I do think you need a team playing well around you, especially when you hav'nt been playing all that much and expected to produce amongst a 2nd string side filled with youngsters, it's gonna be difficult for most players abeit Suarez and Gerrard often make it look easy..
I think shape is also important, I mean if a player isnt moving then u aint gonna be able to pick a pass are you and last night we were stationary, I mean our Welsh Xavi even looked average at times in his pass completion ratio :(
I just think blaming Cole is easy and Rodgers has now publicy embarassed Downing tried to flog Hendo and now Cole in front of the World's media, when did Liverpool wash there laundry in public? I think it's worrying.. I am behind Rodgers of course and I hope the lines he spins ar'nt one of a spin doctor cos I know anyone can chat a good game. I think it's going to take time to shift this dead wood that we were left with and for sure Cole Downing Henderson and Enrique will be first in line but behind closed doors ffs as it aint gonna help regardless if we think publicy critisizing them is gonna miraculously make them play a bit.. noooo.
Here is a video of Cole and it clearly show's he does pocess it but in the right envoiroment, not to say for 90k he should be able to produce it anywhere because we all know 90k dosnt mean rubbish.. it's a pity for Joe as I know he always wanted to do well here, spoke a good game but I think he tried to hard or maybe it's just horses for courses? who know's in the modern game but I do know that u need a team to play with options and not much was on offer from any of them last night so we should'nt aportion the blame to 1 or 2 players.

Joe Cole video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjUtHNGIWw8

02 Nov 2012 10:43:04
why does every1 think the owners are gona splash the cash put it this way we need astriker maybe even two ,so we could be talking 25 r 30mil now are the owners gona give that kind of money in jan when on the last day of august they wouldnt part with 6mil get real,,unless br sells cole ,downing etc,we,ll be going for loan players end of ,ino its sickning.but if the owners would just back rodgers in this window &give rodgers the money he needs id be confident we could get top 4 no doubt because the creation is there we just need apoacher some 1 who can finish more often than not,,god help us if suarez gets injured or banned,itll be interesting come jan but more likely than not itll be predictable

02 Nov 2012 10:42:09
Dont know if this has been brought up but if we had beaten Swansea we would be playing Middlesbrough at home - annoying isnt it.

02 nov 2012 10:22:42
lfc fans really are deluded your chances of getting theo are next to none he wouldnt go from a title challenging team to a team that cant even beat swansea at home you are minnowsyour manager hasnt got a clue where as wenger is the best in the business.


afc gunner

Title challenging?
AnfieldUSA

Your to young to remember the last time you won a trophy.

Best in business that wins f all. And i reckon be walking end've season

Lack of any punctuation or grammer would suggest this poster is under 10. That said, I do agree that Wenger is 'the best in the business' if the business in question is winning nothing in the last 6 years. Well done that Frenchman!

dd

What an fool! Your team lost to Norwich recently and let in 5 goals against Reading and you want to talk about us?

Title challengers, yeah right mate....may be having a good start to the season but you will fall away soon enough as always!

As usual, other teams fans coming on out site talking rubbish!

K.Bennett

When did you last challenge for the title, or cup for that matter. Oh sorry birmingham smashed you in the league cup final.

A title challenging team? I thought he was at Arsenal, must have dreamt that

Flagg

Please please do something in europe, just once gooner, one measley time. just one solitary time gooner. please. i only want one.


then you too can be considered as great as aston villa, everton and forest.

02 Nov 2012 13:04:21
I'm sure your fellow gunners will be so proud, I always thought they took pride in being intelligent supporters!

I don't think Theo is fishing to go to a bigger club than Arsenal, who undeniably have been doing better than us for the last few seasons. They might not have won anything, but they have been up there with the chance...I think Theo is more concerned with being played in his preferred position. If it was any other player I would say

Everton and Spurs are going to finish ahead of Arsenal even if Liverpool don't!

02 Nov 2012 09:59:35
Hi eds,

Why is Ian Ayre still at the club? He is close to useless {Ed001's Note - there are big question marks over him, I agree. We do seem to have a lot of mistakes being made at that level, not just Ayre, but the insane appointment of Jen Chang. Chang had shown a lack of professionalism in dealing with the public prior to his appointment, he was unable to cope with anything that disagreed with his viewpoint on Twitter, during the Suarez/Evra debacle. How an extremely average sports journo got such a plum appointment, and still keeps it despite threatening a member of the club's fanbase, in the club's name, is astonishing.}

FSG need to grow a pair and sack them both.

Thats what im on about with running of club. We stumble from one farce to the next

02 Nov 2012 09:24:06
Anyone doubting how badly we've been ran in past read-"An Epic Swindle"(you should've read by now anyhow) Particularily pages around p200.Transfer dealings were a joke then, and still are now!
(The book obviously doesnt cover now,this ownership) but Last couple of 'windows prove the"now"point,not a lots changed in cock ups,at LEAST with transfers/if not everything.Owners been inept Moores through to todays.
But importantly i feel a lot has to do with people overseeing decisions for these people also.From Parry through to Purslow and now Ayre.
Latest is why am i reading on Sky teletext that Kenny's saying"it was'nt his idea to wear the infamous support Suarez T'shirts".Why is he bringing issue up again?-Can only think he has an axe to grind,and feels he was maybe"set up"for a fall.Which AGAIN comes under the running of the club and who is making these calls/decisions? And finally IF reports are correct saying his comments have been reported IN THAT PAPER=why THEM?!

Why bringing the issue up again??

Are you serious? He was being interviewed. He's allowed to discuss whatever he wants but the topic of the day in football at the moment is racism! Perhaps the Suarez comments he made had something to do with the fact that Terry got recently got just a 4 games and now it looks a ref has been accused of racial comments. If Suarez was found guilty on the balance of probability then Clattenburg should be too. Of course, the FA will protect him because he's one of theirs.

As for THAT PAPER...Just because a paper reports something it doesn't mean that they were the source of the story! Dalglish spoke to !

Read what i said! Sky quoting source-ok? Since heard about interview o n ! So Sky are incorrect with source sm rta se! And i did'nt say anyones under communist restrictions of what they can say! I stand corrected however finding out was a direct answer to a question in an interview, However that wasnt reported as i say on sky text! Though Sky, And are linked so suppose i should've known. BUT club IS shoddily ran-rest've what i said i stand by.Another cock up of late is a certain Jen Chang's behaviour on behalf of the club!

I did try and read it but it really didn't make too much sense.

02 Nov 2012 06:55:59
this is football and it is about results. we are not going to win the prem and we are no nearer in doing so. we are falling behide big time. dont get me wrong i dont expect the owners to firer in millons but they need to understand what football is about. as for br talks to much and cant back himself. he will go sooner than alot of you will think. its about getting results and that is not happening. everyone keeps talking about rebuilding season after season its boring. we have a squad with some great players. . the owners have screwed up and they are screwing the great name of the club.

What is boring is reading this drivvle. lets sack him bring in a new man with new ideas and doesn't want said players so we start the build all over again. BR needs 3 years

If football is about results ( & I assume you're talking 'winning' results ) then the solution is simple, go & support Man City or Real Madrid. Don't come on here bleating about my club & how things are going, there are bags of points waiting for you at the Etihad, hurry you'll be late...

dd

I posted on here the first week brendon was appointed that being from swansea i saw them pass and pass and not make 1 yard of ground,and at 2-0 nil down still pass backwards and sidewards with no urgency to get into the box. I am sorry to say that it looks like the same is happening now

Dd i didnt know it was your club. what the problem is on here is you dont like what other fans have to say. i give br the next few games if he loses them the fans will get on his back and whatever you say you know thats how it is. so shut your crap and face facts he is not the man for the job. i dont like having a dig at the manger i love the club but it is not good enough and sure br knows that himself. it is a results biz you should know that if you watch football or in fact any sport.

I dont think you will find he will get 3years to sort it out. you may find the fans will have something about that

02 Nov 2012 06:34:33
Dear Eds

If I may summarise to help people visiting this (wonderful) website this morning, the last 48-72hrs have primarily consisted of posters:

- whinging
- knee jerking
- moaning
- wishlists
- rage
- knife/pitchfork sharpening
- some sense

Eds, you really must have the patience of a saint, and thank you.

There are very many of us that very much appreciate your work.

{Ed002's Note - One gets used to it. But thanks.}

Hear, hear....ra1969

Hi Ed002 - I'd let to see a lot more posts about knee-jerking if that's possible - it makes a change from all the whinging about football!
DM2012

02 Nov 2012 06:02:47
FSG tell BR you have £10m to spend in Jan!

And they just happened to tell you first!!

Paul the red

Another fly on the wall

02 Nov 2012 05:39:50
Reports of Raheem Sterling wanting to go back to london may or may not be true, But simple analysis should simplyfy all of it,

If he's in two minds because he thinks he can earn more money down there - Sell him for max profit and move on.

If its that he's a southern boy but wants to play first team football - Do everything to help him settle get ppl around him who will help (family, friends) Buy his best mate a house or flat in Liverpool or family so he can stay close to them 24/7, Have him and Shelvey for example room together when we play away, Allow him the oportunity to bound more with experienced pro's but dont force it too soon he'll adapt over time.

If its money issues though its best he and the club find the best financial package for both parties, If its home sick 1st team issues work with him.

02 Nov 2012 07:59:37
Gutted when he left, Hated him for his coments just like everyone else but..............

Fans are fickle FACT, Bring Torres home, Sure he'll get boo'd for abit but there is not 1 fan that didn't idolize torres before he left, And yea he said some bad things about us when he left but he was promised things that didn't happen.

Who here hasn't said something they regret when angry to family or friends ?
Would it be fair if they turned there back on you forever after so many good times together ?

NO exactly Torres was right at the time Chelsea was a bigger club at least they were near 1st 2nd in the league get over yourselfs sulking about what he said we deseved it we've been sh*te for ages now he just had the guts to call it.

Your not a chelsea fan trying to find him a new home?

Typical, I state a valid point and the childish "i hate torres" brigade are out.

I feel sorry for you that you think ALL Liverpool fans think like you.

No im a Liverpool fan and see things diff to you get over it !!!!

People who want torres back should realise that he is not the player he was when he was playing for us before he left for chelsea. I think he will go home to play in spain

Calm down sweetheart it was a gag.
So you saw different when he barely showed up for us for 18months and sulked all game.
Thing it isn't mean that needs to get over it, he is gone and we got the best deal in the clubs history for an under performing prima.

Lets all move on, or you can continue to live in the past!

Ok 1 im a guy so not a sweatheart, and 2 i appologize if i was rude but everytime someone mentions torres or puts liverpool down they must be oposing fans, im not living in the past just think he could be that good again for us yea he sulked but gerrard has made most of his career out of it so not a biggi for me.

Still if he comes back id be delighted, besides its him or f*king sturridge lol

02 Nov 2012 02:51:13
Did Suarez get a yellow on Wednesday ? If so he's banned for Newcastle right?

The capital one cup has no sanction in the premier league, so no he is eligable to play... thank god

He's still one yellow away from an unnecessary suspension - don't forget we are away to Chelsea the match after next!
DM2012

02 Nov 2012 02:40:37
BR wants to make big changes in Janaury (not whole sale changes just key ones)

He has had the time to see want he has and knows who he wants. and would rather get the players in ASAP to firstly improve the squad for this season but also to speed up the team's cohesion for next season.

Christian Eriksen - AM, £22m + add ons
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar - ST, £4m
Dries Mertens - Winger, £10.5m
£36.5m

Henderson 10m
Downing £8m
Cole £1m
Pacheco £1m
£20m

spending £16.5m in January

BR is also looking to sign a few players on pre contracts for next season
Medo Kamara - DM
Lewis Holtby - AM

and replacements for Carroll, Carragher and Enrique with a £25m kitty + £17m for the sale of carroll, £6m for selling enrique & £2m for spearing.

Does FM work in Real Life or are there complications?

I see Daniel Halwell is posting again

Chris in Tamworth

Not one of those players will be joining us!

We can't even pay Sterling the going rate, so how on earth are we going to afford the likes of Eriksen?

02 Nov 2012 01:59:56
I understand Liverpool. Everyone wants results and they want them now. It is a year and half since the new owners are here and I don't think it isn't fair that a good number of people are bashing them. Yes, we did not find another forward/striker in the window, they did not want to bring in someone that is 29 years and older that can only be short term. Liverpool and Boston are almost the same in terms of supporters, they want wins and they want trophies now. The owners took the time and won 2 World Series titles with the Red Sox. They are trying to apply the same model to LFC. They want young players, just as the Red Sox had when they won. I still have faith in the what they have planned. I believe in Brendan Rogers. Have faith in the players we have right now. Have faith in LFC.

There is no comparison whatsoever with us and Red Sox ! Why do the owners keep saying there is !

My friend you obviously have never followed baseball. Red Sox were in a very similar position when fsg took over.

Yea and Redsox fans aint happy either!!

02 Nov 2012 00:21:13
Ed/Ed's Do you feel the only way Fenway can truely invest in New Stadia and Success on the pitch is to bin trying to run Redsox? or look to selling some shares, even sell us on? {Ed001's Note - nope, I don't see any relevance between the two at all. It is more a case of getting our house in order, that is all that we need to do.}

Thanks for opinion

02 Nov 2012 00:13:59
Is it just me who thinks that Ian Ayre is in the press and on the tv talking too much , he is starting to remind me off Peter Risdale when he was at leeds always all over the media , id much prefer him to be in his office doing what he is supposed to do and keeping his mug out of the limelight ,personally if i was him and i had messed up so bad in the summer then i would be lying low and saying nothing to avoid attention , just think he is a disaster of an executive !

I think the Manager talks far to much also

BR talks far too much and his dictates are carefully put forward to his sudience and he's knows what to say to which audience

Not the LFC way

There was a certain Cardinal in France who had similar attributes

The Bells

Ayre, Werner and Rodgers all cut from the same cloth, too much yakking.

Actions speak louder than words

Rodgers is a great speaker. When kenny hadn't done great interviews there were people on here slating him. you just keep looking for problems.
derryred

01 Nov 2012 23:58:44
hi ed001 how is your daughter, and what do you predict for the newcastle game?
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - she's good mate, growing up too fast though! I think we will have enough to get a win against Newcastle, they are not playing well at the moment. I hate giving predictions though, don't like the thought of jinxing us.}

We are jinxed already.

01 Nov 2012 23:55:44
I blame the running of LFC a lot, as some others have woken to lately on here.
However 2 parts i don't like under B.R (though at mo',i see more positives) are we play two high defensively up the pitch and get caught on the'counter',happened v Citeh, and Swansea to name but two.
Secondly we overpass-not enough strikes edge of box, which could even get deflections/whatever.
Anyhow Pardew mouthing about making history and winning at Anfield. Use as incentive boys, and ram down big gob's throat!

01 Nov 2012 23:41:11
hi eds I want to ask a question please why did van persie really leave arsenal? and why choose to go to manu?
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - money and trophies.}

Good to see Rodgers relentlessly following the Arsenal model

01 Nov 2012 23:38:55
Alright Eds,

Any credence to the Metro's story about Joel Pohjanpalo joining us? Seems a great young prospect, I know the standard Youtube videos are nothing to go off but he seems to slot away some pretty impressive goals.

JFT 96

JP {Ed001's Note - this has been answered read the posts.}