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02 Oct 2014 21:22:14
Right lads on a brighter note (I hope) how are our loaned or players getting on??
Think aspas scored tonight
03 Oct 2014 07:29:59
Luis Alberto scored a couple already in the new season.
Origi has 4 in 10 so far this season. (3 in 6 in the League)
02 Oct 2014 20:33:52
With all the negativity about may I remind some that this is pretty much the same team that totally outplayed Spurs, dominated against Everton and for about 35 mins were bossing it against Man City.
Yes, in between all of this there has been some very average displays but we will improve, hopefully quickly as we don't want to fall too far behind the top 4.
If we get a result against WBA then regroup over the international break, get a few players back into the team and then I think we will slowly start producing the performances that are required.
Daniel Sturridge will make a huge difference when fit as I believe he will help Mario perform better and give the team a more cutting edge and mobility up front.
We may not reproduce last seasons displays but I still think we can achieve a top 4 place this season.
We can only get better.
Well said Arrow. Even in the Basel game, we could easily have scored 2. Sterling by himself could have won us the game if he wasn't having a bad night.
03 Oct 2014 06:44:06
". If you spend over 100 mill, You should be challenging for the title.
Brendon Rodgers on Tottenham
April 2014
So what's our plan BR?
I think it too soon to judge Balotelli, but I don't think he is an outstanding player; he will probably end up scoring 10-12 goals this season.
redohio: While I agree that it is too early to deem Balotelli a failure, here is what I have a problem with you on: You have just claimed that everyone who have criticized Balotelli (different posters in this thread, at various levels), as the same people who probably criticized Sturridge, Henderson etc. with no proof. This is what is stereotyping and pissing me off. Why don't you reply to individual posters and express your ideas to their individual posts coherently instead of vast generalization. It just makes you look like the opposite of wmbley78 and redlobster.
{Ed001's Note - I criticised the signing of Balotelli and Sturridge I wasn't sure about, but I have always liked Henderson and was pleased we got him. So you are right there AG, it was a generalisation that makes little sense.}
It just pissed me off Ed001. It wasn't long ago that I was accused by Waro for having my rose-tinted glasses on, but I have always been objective and critical whenever possible. But people like redohio just pompously go on about other posters as if they have no right to be critical (without actually replying to a particular poster), generalize and then call them to go support other teams!
He is truly at the opposite end of the spectrum to the likes of wembley78 and redlobster who are, really the guys he should be replying to.
You just watch his next posts Ed001, and you will see that the only thing he ever posts are criticism of people who are critical (most of which is unwarranted, unsubstantiated and bellowed out like a teenager learning to masturbate: everywhere and aimed at no one and everyone).
Calm down, bro! No need to get saucy, AG. I was wrong to generalize in my comments so no prob w/ you there. Second, I don`t criticize other posters. What I criticize is the WAY they post their comments. Hurling abuse and drivel at players and coaches w/ NO constructive way of making sensible suggestions. I am as pissed as anyone else about our situation and how BR is handling hiself BUT I will not start hurling drivel at the team just because I`m mad. Two wrongs don`t make a right. Also, I HATE how some people seem to be football gods ONLY after the game has been played, telling everyone who should/could have played and what BR could/should have done. I don`t do that because as a former athlete, there`s NOTHING anyone can do about it after the fact. Hence, study the film and take the positives and work on the negatives. Not saying you do these things BUT explaining why I post the way I do.
02 Oct 2014 18:53:40
Ed001 how's everything
Just would like your opinion on fans wanting Rogers out and our situation so far if you haven't gave it already please
{Ed001's Note - it is far too early to call for his head. He needs time to prove himself one way or the other.}
I agree with ed, way too early to be calling for the managers head.
We clearly miss Sturridge, we need someone running in behind, however, he will get injured again, and we need to find a way of playing without him.
I personally our wing backs shouldn't be bombing forward at every opportunity, 1 should always be back.
Ultimately, it's a tough one though, when should you look at the manager. It's a fine line between getting it right, and being in another 'transitional' period if we end up 7th again.
The mood in the camp doesn't look good from the outside either, Sakho storming out and Gerrard questioning players desire and commitment, though I'm hoping Sakho was just being a baby and I've completely misinterpreted Gerrard.
I agree Ed
03 Oct 2014 07:48:47
I think those calling for Brendan to go are being a bit premature. I want him to succeed as much as any Liverpool fan. However, let's not look at what is going on through rose-red tinted spectacles - things are not good and results need to improve quickly and over a sustained period. In 2002 we came second in the league, Liverpool bought poorly e.g. Diouf, and we came fifth in 2003. Houllier lasted another season but a change was clearly needed. In 2009 Rafa led us to second in the league, we lost a world class player in Alonso, bought poorly e.g. Aquilani, and came seventh in 2010, which resulted in Rafa leaving. Having just finished second in 2013, we have lost a world class player in Suarez and our signings have, on the whole, been poor so far. If history repeats itself and the current situation continues i.e. we play poorly, get bad results and end up in the wilderness again, do you think Brendan will be treated any differently than Houllier or Rafa? What the club needs is sustained success i.e. top 4 finishes, challenging for the league, winning cups etc. on a consistent year-in year-out basis, which is not easy. Is our success last season a one-off or the start of our return to the top table? If it is the former and we are heading back to mediocrity I don't think Rodgers will last any longer than Houllier or Rafa. FSG won't stand for it.
03 Oct 2014 07:48:47
I think those calling for Brendan to go are being a bit premature. I want him to succeed as much as any Liverpool fan. However, let's not look at what is going on through rose-red tinted spectacles - things are not good and results need to improve quickly and over a sustained period. In 2002 we came second in the league, Liverpool bought poorly e.g. Diouf, and we came fifth in 2003. Houllier lasted another season but a change was clearly needed. In 2009 Rafa led us to second in the league, we lost a world class player in Alonso, bought poorly e.g. Aquilani, and came seventh in 2010, which resulted in Rafa leaving. Having just finished second in 2013, we have lost a world class player in Suarez and our signings have, on the whole, been poor so far. If history repeats itself and the current situation continues i.e. we play poorly, get bad results and end up in the wilderness again, do you think Brendan will be treated any differently than Houllier or Rafa? What the club needs is sustained success i.e. top 4 finishes, challenging for the league, winning cups etc. on a consistent year-in year-out basis, which is not easy. Is our success last season a one-off or the start of our return to the top table? If it is the former and we are heading back to mediocrity I don't think Rodgers will last any longer than Houllier or Rafa. FSG won't stand for it.
02 Oct 2014 18:54:07
Anyone know if Steve Peters is still employed by the club?
He needs to fix our broken confidence.
They probably read this site
Shocking behaviour Kenneth, blah blah blah, anyone but me. I speak for the masses mate, including Mary mungo and midge . retirement of the said item has clearly been responsible for the teams numbskulish performances to date. Take one for the team ken no matter how soiled, we need to put the SKIDS under west brom,, bishop takes pawn, your move mate,
Heard Steve Peters has said this BR situation, is doing his head in !!
Yes, the psychologist will fix everything
03 Oct 2014 07:59:18
Bob
Lols. Yes they would also fix conceding goals.
03 Oct 2014 07:59:18
Bob
Lols. Yes they would also fix conceding goals.
02 Oct 2014 17:40:14
Just seen on BBC that you can nominate for Young SPOTY - criteria that they had to be under 17 on 1 Jan 14.
How's about launching a campaign for our newest first team débutante. ?
02 Oct 2014 17:25:44
It's so easy to knock the team when they are down. For God sake give the team and manager the support they deserve and stop throwing your toys out of your cot. A big game on. Saturday and a win can change our season around. A few injuries back after international and things will look good again. LET'S GET BEHIND THE TEAM.
Great post this from Mighty Reds.
I'm angry, disappointed, confused and frustrated with the start to the season.
It was always going to be a massive challenge replacing Suarez and our young inexperienced manager has struggled. Most managers would. I can't think of any manager who would have continued where we left off last season without Suarez. Especially as most of our players and signings were at the World Cup.
Now it's our test as fans of the club. Cry and whine and over-react and the calls for Brendan to be sacked will become a self fulfilling prophecy with only our rivals gaining.
Back the players, back the manager and it might just pay off. If it doesn't well at least we haven't given our rivals fuel to laugh at us.
That sounds fair enough, give him this season and go from there, but BR needs to address the obvious.
It is amazing how quick people here are moving from 'oh gosh let's hope Real Madrid don't steal BR from us', to 'let's not demand too much from a young inexperienced manager'. If he is a young inexperienced manager why is he being paid £2M a year and and why is he our manager?
I am also amazed how some of the people who were really angery at those of us who said after the AV game, that we are unlikely to finish top 4 this year, and insisted we would surely finish 2-3, now say that with Suarez leaving it was clear from the first place we would struggle.
BR and the players earn in an hour what some of us earn in a month and so far what they gave in return for it, was nothing.
Us crying and whining here will have zero impact on the players or what our rivals think. No one suggest to send an airplane with banners calling to sack BR. But if you consistely lose points, expecially at home when you are a club with big expectations, fans in no place in the world will be happy.
I don't believe in sacking for the sake of sacking but if I am the owner, paying so much money to the players and put so much money on the transfer windows and if there is a top class manager available like Klopp (which isn;t available unfortunately), I wouldn't think twice. The only aim is to do what is good for the club. I don;t think that clubs that often replace managers are doing worse necessarily (e.g. Chelsea). What we did last year and the money from selling Suarez could and should have been used as a leverage to strengthen ourselves and stay in the top 4. If we stay out of he top 4 this year it will be extremely difficult to go back there. And this is what BR is paid to do. I do hope that Sturridge play on Saturday and I do hope we play better and win - but I don't think one win and all will be good. There is a long way to go and massive improvement is required and I am personally not convinced BR can do it. Let's hope I am wrong.
02 Oct 2014 17:19:16
Hi to all the EDS and fellow REDS
How do the Eds put up with all this drivel? I thought some of us were fickle, sorry to say they are much much worse.
Talk of Rodgers getting sacked?
Asking for suggestions on his replacement?
What is the matter with these people? I know what but manners/politeness forbids me to say. Ok, we did bad last night, but it is not the end of the world. Injured players will return, Brendan will play his best 11 and we will endure.
Waste of £120M? Who are these persons talking about? Lallana? Balotelli? Emre Can? Moreno? Lovren? Lambert? who?? These are decent players who will make us pride. Oh it's so easy to criticize, to sound as if you know what your're talking about where in fact you haven't got the foggiest.
I wish posters had to supply a photo with their posts so that we could name and shame them when they change their tune and do a 180 degree turn.
Brendan could have played a more effective formation, perhaps. Suso or other with more fire in their belly might (might) have done a better job, who knows. It's not as if Brendan goes out to field a losing team, is it? IS IT?
I'm a little embarrassed, not for the loss of form this season, but more because of the moronic way some of my fellow supporters are behaving. And please don't reply that we have right to moan, I do understand but some of the drivel (for want of a much ruder word) is a bit rich towards a manager who was the bees knees last year.
Every ManU fan I know wished Brendan was their manager, or someone like him. So belt up you moaners and support the team. Know what that means, support? Support!
You're correct, IranRed, they're 'decent' players, but that's a part of the issue. We lost Suarez who, while I personally didn't like the guy, I would admit he's pretty good at the goal scoring thing and replaced him with the attacking trio of Lambert (who I like but have to admit is a bit on the older side), Markovic (a very unproven kid who is probably several years away from being a goal threat), and Balotelli whose record the last few seasons is really not great and has never been much of a creator of goals for others (or himself for that matter).
We've known for the better part of at least 2 years that Suarez wanted out and in those 2 years, this is the best we could do? I find that shocking, personally.
You could not have said it any better
Iranred# do you think that because fans don't like the way BR is doing the job, i.e. team selection, his answers to the press, his transfer dealing etc. that those fans will stop "supporting "the team? do you think they are not entitled to an opinion ? or should they just shut up say nothing and give up their money without expressing an opinion? i suspect they are passionate fans who will always support the club.
Jack I can ask you the same question in the reverse mode. Do u think those of us like myself, who ask to support the team and the manager are happy with proceedings at the moment? The answer is NO. I have supported this club for 30yrs of my life and have seen everything in the modern era with this team. I am angry, disappointed, disgusted and effing peaved at the situation we`re in BUT the difference is that I keep things in perspective and remain hopefu that things will change for the better. That doesn`t make me a deluded fan BUT an eternal optimist who believes in these players, this manager who has made us relevant again and the club I have supported since I was 8. Jack, you are right that the fans should speak their minds and vent their frustration BUT in a constructive and measured way that shows some perspective and intelligence. However, what we see here is constant abuse, slating, and beration of the players and coaches to the point that the Eds have to delete countless posts due to the hate-filled drivel being put on here. Or you can hop over the comments` section of the club website and you will be bewildered at the hatered that some "fans" post on there when we don`t win. Red Till I`m Dead!
02 Oct 2014 16:12:35
The owners sanctioned all that spending in the summer to IMPROVE - not compensate for transfers out or to stay the same. If we don't start winning, winning easily, and very soon I don't see Rodgers being at the clubs New Years Eve party. These are professional businessmen and they invest to make returns on that investment. Liverpool FC is not their hobby it is part of their business and like all businessmen if they are not getting their profit they will wield the axe without mercy. Brendan needs to have a real think about what his best 11 are and what their best formation is and he better start winning - and quickly.
I agree.
Examples of how ruthless they can be:
1) They sacked a club legend
2) 6 months earlier they sacked virtually everyone else.
I think Brendan has bought a bit if time after last season but he'll need to talk a good game.
I agree except with the argument that they are in it for money. You cannot make profit from European football.
03 Oct 2014 00:11:57
Fanobip, they we're planning on making money from the sale of the club, I think they expected to walk in , build the club up to the £1billion+ mark and walk away with a £500m+ sale fee.
02 Oct 2014 15:34:13
ED 001 just reading your posts about the tactics and stuff and was just wondering would you be sad if Brendan was sacked? and what manager would you like to replace him if he was to go? would like the posters views as well
Sorry I posted it up before I actually typed my reply, silly mistake.
I would be sad because it shows we are not doing well, but I wouldn't be sad to not have to hear his ridiculous comments any more, no.
02 Oct 2014 15:58:21
Though the dream would be Jurgen Klopp I'd be very happy with
Marco Biesla
Though I still think it is too early before such discussions
02 Oct 2014 15:59:20
I myself wouldn't be sad.
People saying "cant sack him because he got us from seventh to second", look where he's taking us? Right back to seventh
Bielsa would be my choice, with Klopp and Simeone closely behind although i highly doubt any of them would leave their clubs for us either mid season or end of season.
I believe they'd see us as a step down at the moment, Bielsa is probably the most realistic.
02 Oct 2014 16:14:17
The Swiss fans were actually disappointed in the quality of Liverpool last night.
Hello RedLock and Ed001.
I would be sad as he demonstrated last year what he is capable of, but he really does need to grow a pair and not play players who under perform, and treat other players quite shabbily because of his favouritism towards certain players.
I would rather for continuities sake keep him, if he agrees to a director of football to oversee squad development, and a new defensive coach along with a new GK coach; and if he stops his verbal di****** on screen!
if the worst was to happen and he was let go; i would love to see Klopp if he can be prised from Borussia, or De Boer from Ajax; I feel these 2 would do an amazing job with some of our amazingly talented youngsters, rather than sending them out on loan or not playing them due to the little favourites occupying the squad.
Peace out
YNWA
JFT96
Interestingly the bookies still put him in the bottom of the league (that is less likely to be sacked) at 50:1. I don't bet, but if I would, these are very good odds given how fragile his position is in my view. I don't know what the owners think but for most owners, with the amount of money invested in the summer and the level of expectations, he would be 1 or 2 more losing matches from going home. And the way we look these may come very soon. The main problem he has now is that we have reached the stage where the poor results and performances started to affect the players confidence this is how if felt yesterday anyway. For me the guy to replace him would be Tony Pulis.
02 Oct 2014 16:35:59
RED LENIN
I don't blame them, I was too.
02 Oct 2014 17:34:59
Fanobip, I believe the odds you have seen are for the NEXT premiership manager to be sacked, and I certainly see Pardew odds on in that race, as do most bookies!
If you're looking for odds on BR being sacked this season, then its probably more like 10-1ish. I found Guardian article from just after the West Ham defeat that put the odds then at 9-1.
02 Oct 2014 14:55:05
while we can debate on why our players are not performing, surely we should look at the formation and why the Manager is playing out of form players, a footballer will get on the pitch and play whether he is on form or just mowing the pitch but it is up to the manager to pick the best possible 11 to start,
one of the key things BR did last season was change formations or players early on in a match as soon as the game was not going our way, this season he seems to want to justify his team selection and wait for the last 15 minutes before trying to change anything,
don't slate Mario Baloteli when he is not getting the service that a striker requires, like everyone knows, Suarez could make things out of nothing, but MB is not that type of striker, he needs to play off another forward,
Yes Sturridge is injured, but could we not play borini or even Lambert upfront with MB? Surely BR is also aware of this, his stubbornness is what is the problem, not the players.
I am more frustrated at what BR is not doing right compared to what our players are doing wrong!!
02 Oct 2014 16:03:16
I disagree with the "Balotelli needs to play off another forward" He played up top on his own for Milan, with El Sharaawy, honda etc playing off him
02 Oct 2014 16:04:45
in addition to my reply i just sent, Italy also only play with one striker
LFC 143, BR Getting the formation wrong is one thing, losing Suarez is one thing, But when I see MB yelling and intimidating Sterling it indicates to me he will take this team under, his body language his facial expression is overall attitude is negative,
Sterling, Coutinho, Suso, Henderson I can go on and on, these are still kids need confidence, Yesterday’s game showed how young Sterling is and how much support he needs, yelling at him on the field during a CL game or any game will not make him better, all it will do is lose his productivity.
BR’s bigger problem is in my opinion; even though it is early, say I made a mistake with MB he will be on the bench and should be gone in January.
I know we have issue’s, losing a world class player and adding fringe players instead will not solve your problem, maybe I am too quick calling some of the players fringe players, but at the present time this is what they are.
JLPred, he may well have, but while he scored 26 goals for AC Milan, 9 were penalties (~35%) and 5 (~19%) were from free kicks, so only 12 (~46%) open play goals for them in almost 3, 500 minutes of game play (or one every 291 minutes). Sturridge had 30 with less time played over the two seasons and Sterling 11 (albeit with 400 more minutes played).
To be fair LHS Suarez used to do the exact same thing as Balotelli if he wasn't passed the ball. I don't like it but it's how many players are nowadays in the heat of the match. Although I agree Suarez attitude was far better on the pitch than MB (excluding some biting incidents ;)) I don't think it is off it. Sure Balotelli does stupid things but he does it for a joke off the field where as Suarez spent the whole time insulting his teamates and the club by telling the press he wanted to leave and get his "dream move". I'm not sure it will work out for Balotelli but we should give him more than seven matches
Attitude from Suarez was much better on the field than MB, Suarez is a World Class striker and proved it, Sterling got better on the pitch playing with Suarez, as of now I see negative influence from MB towards other players, I hope it changes but if it does not and we stick with MB it will be a disaster, It is a moot point to compare both especially when the WC player is gone. All I am saying after watching yesterday’s game I noticed when Sterling got the ball he was very nervous with it, I hope this is not negative influence from MB, but if it is then BR better put an end to it, I hope BR is not so arrogant to think HE can fix MB, only MB can fix himself.
02 Oct 2014 13:39:40
Hi all and Ed's,
Great site which I love reading each day. I really can't believe what a change a season makes!
We look completely out of sorts this season with players at sixes and sevens "So to speak".
For me and in my opinion the changes to make us less offensive and playing as a much deeper unit/team is what's really hurting us.
This then has a detrimental effect on our ability as a team to get forward at pace, which made us so lethal last year.
I have heard from many other fans that it is down to the loss of Suarez which I don't agree with even though any player of that calibre is a massive loss to any team. He would also of been banned either way so it is a moot point as far as I am concerned.
I hate to say this. but I also feel that Gerrard this season is playing like a man that thoroughly believes last season was his closest and now only chance to ever win the Premier League as captain/player. I can't help but feel he is also a far bigger hinderer to us then asset is playing him where he is at the moment or at all.
My question is to Ed1 and Ed2.
Having read the previous posts and looking at Liverpool this season. What's the main factor for you two that stands out as the biggest issue? For example (Brendan Rodgers? His Selections? Players? Tactics? Interview calamities) Or is it bigger than just one thing?
Can you see Rodgers getting this right? Given your input Ed002 on the owners and their business like ruthlessness?
Finally. would you say based on what you have been told about the owners. Hypothetically if Rodgers does not start to get things right in the next month or so. Would the owners consider a change of manager/input/control mid-season or would they always be likely to wait until the end of the season so not to rock the boat any further?
Any way GREAT SITE EDS. keep up that hard work and for all Liverpool fans! I really hope Rodgers gets this right and we get back to the calibre of flowing attacking football which we saw so often last season!
Jon
{Ed002's Note - (1) Fans are naïve about Suarez. Liverpool are rtid of the runt and the issues that surround him. Move on. (2) A large part of the issue is Rodgers to me. I used the clichés "kid in a candy store" and "all end in tears" previously and this is what I was referring to. All but the most naïve of managers would expect no major problems after buying a new team in one window. Je can bleat on all he wants about the team coming good in the second half of the season, but to me that is unacceptable. His man-management is poor - there are a lot of players who have found that. His communication skills are poor but improving. His head is full of stupid ideas and he can be naïvely led. Stop going to seminars about business management. He should be coaching and keeping his mind on that. The owners should be looking to bring in a manager to sit above him to take away a lot of the day-to-day issues that are tripping him up. They should have an independent review of the way the playing side of the club is being run from a coaching and match preparation perspective. This "we are Liverpool" nonsense is old hat and not helping - move on. Talk of "Liverpool legends" coming in to coach the defence makes zero sense. Get people in to help with the coaching because they are good coaches, not because they know where the toilets and cake machine are. (2) Rodgers is a good coach. He needs to concentrate on that and he might "get it right". In all other respects, whilst, he means well , it is not his forte dealing with people, press, anxious situations, etc.. (3) I have answered this several times today already Jon - you should have no problem finding it.}
Agger, Sahin, and Downing have all said similar things about Rodgers man management and none of them were exactly positive. I suspect we'll be hearing similar things from Sakho and Coutinho in the not so distant future.
With respect to transfers, I don't think there is much to be said there. Anything other than poor would be an understatement.
Team selection and tactics- results say it all there.
It's pretty hard to see any of this as not being management issues, really. The situation is still repairable, but a poor result on Saturday (which I'm honestly expecting at this point) and a poor result coming up against a poor themselves QPR side and things are bound to get interesting.
02 Oct 2014 14:52:15
RDL
Apart from Sturridge, I don't think a single player has been consistently hit.
That's 1 out of possible 20
He has bought players at each and every possible positions out there.
03 Oct 2014 06:09:27
Show me a player who was regularly picked by a manager slate said manager. You won`t find any. Hence, don`t really care what ex-players say (especially Downing and Sahin who showed next to NO effort to prove their worth while at the club) because if BR was picking them regularly, they wouldn't be saying what they're saying now and would be saying how we should support him and be patient w/ him so screw what they say.
IMO. BR needs help and needs to eat some humble pie and acept where he has been wrong and accept help in the areas where he is weak and according to Ed002, just stick to coaching and leave the business side to the specialists.
02 Oct 2014 13:35:06
Ed002, This one request to you, If you are in touch with the agent who got Cheslea the bumper deal for Luiz with PSG, We would defo need him in Jan and with no improvements resulting dropping out of CL, We would need him big time in Summer.
Fees won't be a big asking point, We would defo need some suitors for some of our players.
Got to be in the energy industry for stunts like that Boom, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours!!
02 Oct 2014 12:53:21
I think we can all agree that the season hasn't gone as we would have hoped so far. But it's still early days.I'm sure we will improve. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Now is the time to get behind the team more than ever. They need our support to hopefully spur them on to better things.
Its easy to support a team when things are going well. Let's all stick together and hope that a good run is around the corner.
02 Oct 2014 13:45:11
I as well as being a lifelong red, have had a season ticket at Scunthorpe United for 10 years due to them being my local team.
Our chairman at scunthorpe also gave the manager plenty of money to spend on players this summer.
Our manager at scunthorpe also bought players in positions that weren't needed.
We are also struggling for form and hit by injuries, but Russ, our manager, doesn't allow himself to use that as an excuse.
He understands he's under pressure and has to find a way to succeed and so should brendan
Just because we have "tradition" at liverpool, doesn't mean we can't get on peoples backs when they aren't performing to standards
You are right. If anyone thinks BR is sleeping soundly at night then, you are fooling yourselves. He knows he`s in a whole and he knows he has to start getting results. If he doesn`t know this by now, the he should b sacked in the morning. The owners might be patient and might NOT wanna sack him BUT he has to get it right quicly or the fans and the media will force their hand. Either way, I will NEVER kick our manager when he`s down because he needs us more than anything right now. Players should also take responsibility and show some bullocks and fight because the coach can`t do everything. Nothing ever comes easy and sometimes, the gloves have to come off. Fate and chance has done a job on BR and the players BUT they need to rise from this and show character. If I see that, I`ll be with him till the end. Afterall, BR turned a mess in 2012 to almost a league crown in 2014 so he deserves our support w/ the hope of better days.
02 Oct 2014 12:49:38
Too many problems at the.minute and the majority of them coming from Rodgers. His chopping and changing of players notibly defense. I don't believe he knows his first team and its now October. The defense are making the same mistakes yet after a year of watching these mistakes there has been no improvement rather a regression. His whole application on.how he wants us to play has.changed. Why change a winning formula? We were fast paced and pressed high as a team now bar our forward, we sit back. Not to forget the handling of players, i'm not sure an aware sakho of that he was going to be dropped for skrtl would have reacted as he did unjust or not.For several weeks we have produced poor performances and poor results, conceding embarrassing goals and not scoring enough.
Rodgers said he has seen signs we are getting back to our level, i'm afraid most fans don't have the opaque glasses on. We have been extremely poor. Am I worried about player quailty? No, there is plenty of quailty in that squad but the lack of opportunities that were given to ibe( loaned), kelly( sold), lori( loan) and even suso no
Rodgers has to back the players he has bought. This Sunday why not start Rickie ahead of Mario and maybe Fabio ahead of Lazar. The two of them (Rickie and Fabio) will put in a shift at the very least and let's not forget that Rickie last season was pretty good in front of goal, in fact I would say he is probably the most clinical of our forward strikers barring Sturridge.
Like you have said, Rodgers' handling of certain players and not giving them opportunities has become quite apparent. Right now it seems as if he has realised his mistake by not starting Raheem against Villa but starting him against Boro was an odd choice. BR has to be careful not to overload the kid - it could take its toll mentally as well as physically, last night was probably his worst performance of the year.
I don't think anyone can understand why BR has decided to change a winning formula. I know we have injuries, but surely the pressing high up the pitch part can be done, as the Eds have said, you don't need LS to do that. If we had pressed like last season, I know we would have scored. But, alas not even that, in fact, we aren't pressing anywhere on the pitch. We're just inviting pressure and more pressure until we concede a goal or two. Tbh, I think if this continues, than we may be in a relegation dog fight. BR really has his work cut out if his promises to the Owners are to prove fruitful.
And, the other thing I can't understand, BR stated that the youngsters would get opportunities, those you mention (maybe a few more as well), I believe are good players, so why is there a lack of opportunity for them, when so many in the starting eleven are not producing.
02 Oct 2014 13:35:52
Its time to get rid of BR. Like Ed002 said last season, the job may have come a bit too early for him. He has reached his ceiling, and i simply do not see any signs of recovery. The man i saw on the touchline against Basel looked defeated and clueless, and it has rubbed off on the players as well.
He smashed up the blueprint that worked so well for us for 18 months and replaced it with his lovable 4-3-3 conservative formation on which he has apparently done a lot of research and thesis. Someone should tell him that theoretical and practical applications are worlds apart, and everything depends on the resources at your disposal. If the players have not responded to the system, why persist with it?
Or is he simply trying to impress the Barca hierarchy by persisting till it actually works out? His press interactions are getting worse with every passing day, and he has shown no signs of learning from his mistakes.
How can LFC have a manager that cannot even teach his players how to defend? Lovren, Skrtel and Sakho are all solid defenders, its BR who makes them look bad.
02 Oct 2014 17:18:10
Missing u on the United page AL 😜
Wots happened? U were such a regular poster pre season and now nothing. As was Simonpw who claimed none of our signings or current players would make your 1st team, well apart from Di Maria who he claimed 'might' 😊
02 Oct 2014 12:44:12
Can't believe Hodgson has dropped Gerrard for the qualifiers! Got to admit, I'm not unhappy about it, just surprised!
{Ed002's Note - He is picking players on form.}
Just another kick in the teeth after removing the captaincy from him. He will prove them all wrong.
02 Oct 2014 13:23:13
Gerrard retired from internationals after the WC
Yo are joking right? He retired from international football
02 Oct 2014 13:30:57
Hasn't Gerrard retired? Or am I missing somthing here?
What, that can't be true, he's still got legs, even in retirement ;-)
Was that first post not a joke? Oh. .
02 Oct 2014 14:32:26
*mutters to self* knew I should have posted a wink smilie
;-)
Glad Wassa and Kash are still on the ball, lol!
02 Oct 2014 12:39:41
Hi Eds, can you provide any insight into a couple of things: 1) the signing of Balotelli ahead of the likes of Remy or Bony (or even Wellbeck), who on the surface would have fit into our system much better? Is it purely a commercial decision on the basis that Balotelli would sell more shirts and get more media attention, or is there a belief that he will come good, despite a prolonged dip in form?
2) was selling Dan Agger as unpopular with the players as it has been with the fans? It just seems that morale and desire among the players is lower this year.
3) Do you think there's a sense that Rogers is delaying bringing Sturridge back when he could, just to avoid him going back on international duty? Do you think he'll be out for WBA as well?
Thanks Eds.
{Ed002's Note - (1) Done to death - you need to read the posts. (2) There was no question Agger would be going and players are generally as a group ambivalent to such things - but they are not the brightest as a group. (3) No, Sturridge has been injured. The club would not risk the player being played before he is ready. The manager would not have a player feign injury.}
02 Oct 2014 13:47:58
Ballotelli was signed to please the fans, a big name player! Clearly a show of intent that the club can compete with the likes of Man Utd in attracting big names, plus he was a 'bargain' buy. Signing the likes of Bony or Remy from relegated or mid table clubs would clearly have been a lack of ambition by the club.
No he was not. Nobody knows why he was signed other than us needing a striker. If you like Remy or Bony, u can form your own team and sign them because if Remy was that good, why is he rotting on the bench at Chelsea and why did he not pass his medical? because he has a heart problem and we don`t want to be liable for any (God forbid) mishap. Therefore, Stop talking nonsense!
02 Oct 2014 12:17:26
Good Day Guys.
A long time reader all the way from South Africa but a first time poster. Since the day I watched LFC live at Anfield against Everton and Torres scored the only goal, I make sure I follow LFC on a daily basis.
There is not a day in my life that I don't log onto the banter site, I have it as a shortcut on my pc and phone, lol which pretty much drives my wife mad as I can sometimes be heavily consumed by this site and enjoy reading the posts from the guys on here ( EMS, boom and obviously the Ed's).
Our form of late obviously is not up to par, but give it some time lads, in Brendan we trust. We need to put the same trust in Brendan that we had in him last season. once the team start to gel and Sturridge is fit and Alen/Sakho/Can return, we should start to play the way we did against Spurs.
I have to say that I can't wait for Origi to be in our starting 11 next season and often wonder how we would be playing if we had him in our current team. time will tell.
Don't lose hope fellow Reds, we have a long season ahead, let's try stay optimistic and get behind our team.
YNWA!!
02 Oct 2014 12:56:51
Welcome to the site mate.
02 Oct 2014 11:43:10
Out of Lpools first 7 games this season every game we have lost we have deserved too, bearing in mind we have have lost to some bang average sides west ham, villa, basle and we was lucky against ludecrets and Southampton if this is not worrying I don't know what is, Rodgers needs to get somethink out of these players he bought or I'm afraid the owners will have to sack him.
Sack him????????????
What planet are you on lad?????
Planet earth. are u happy mate?? If it was your money would u be happy? It's 7 games now not 1 or 2 it's worrying
02 Oct 2014 12:52:21
Cole
I agree
If over £100 million worth of players doesn't make an impact of any kind, which up until now only moreno and manquillo can hold their heads high, questions have to be asked and actions must be taken
The fact you call basel a bang average side shows how much you know
03 Oct 2014 03:14:16
First, Basel are far from a bad side. Infact, they are without a doubt a good side. Secondly, I completely agree. Rodgers spent irresponsibly, and his actions need to be met with consequences. His apparent use of liverpool as a stepping stone for a career in Spain, a career he is good enough for, doesn't settle well with me.
02 Oct 2014 11:20:05
I was shot down a few weeks ago when I suggested that the out of favour Wellbeck could do a job for us. Well he's certainly proving to be a better buy for Arsenal than Balo is for us. Balo doesn't suit our fluid system as he is too static. Wellbeck will pull defenders all over the place with his energy opening up spaces for our midfielders. In terms of his general all round play he offers much more to the team than Balotelli. And if we want to talk about lack of desire I don't think I have ever seen Wellbeck sulking or not giving 100%.
02 Oct 2014 11:36:50
Hands down I agree. I was one among against due his poor record.
I take my share.
He us doing well and deserve it.
Good point redmist, problem with that even if we went in for him the mancs wouldn't of sold to us
From Utd?
Where have you been for the last few years?
Behave.
Balo will do a job for us. He does have a bit a of flair and a lot of creativity and when the team ups its confidence he's shine. He has to be a team player though!
Alex, the team will never up it's confidence with him sulking around.
02 Oct 2014 12:01:14
I would have taken any of our striker targets over Welback
I'd rather an ex-Manc in our team and we get top 4 than do without and have an average season. Besides, it's the 21st century - footballers are mercenaries who'll play for whoever fulfils their professional and financial demands. Our fans need to get rid of this dinosaur mindset that says you can't sign for any of your rivals.
02 Oct 2014 12:35:55
I have stated before that balo hasn't had a fair crack of the whip but how long will be before the other players get pead of with what seems to be balo's lack of urgency. Why oh why did we buy him if he doesn't suit our rapid play system. I can only assume that BR is hoping a partnership between him and Sturridge will make the differecne. I don't want to get on the lads back but he gets on my nerves watching him play, always has done.
Balotelli is about as creative as Skrtel. 90% of his career goals come from penalties, free kicks, or 4 yards out when the ball happens to land at his feet.
"penalties, free kicks, or 4 yards out when the ball happens to land at his feet." Bit like Rushie & Aldo then.
Except nowhere near as prolific and miles away from being at their level, sure.
03 Oct 2014 03:16:53
As if united would sell to us. Some people seem to be oblivious. We got what was available, be thankful we actually spent some cash on a striker as opposed to our recent history.
Didn`t want him then, don`t want him now. Arsenal is a club where donkeys like Mertesacker, Sanogo, Monreal, Gibbs, Wilshere, Song, Bendtner and so on are made to look decent at best. Shoot! Arsenal even made Adebayor look world class now look at him. He is as useless as he was b4 he signed there in Jan of 2006. Hence, don`t really care who`s playing for them. But if u like him so much, u can always support the gunners.
02 Oct 2014 11:15:38
Been a while since i've posted but i'm i'm to remain posiive but pick faults.
I think we've bought well but it is difficult to gel so many diverse players all at once. It has to be one/two at a time and the process should be a lot easier.
Who was the the defence coach when Dalgliesh took over - he went on to West Brom. We need him back on the coaching staff. Brilliant defence coach.
Is it me or when our players control the ball does it seem to be popping up in the air like miscontrolling it? there's been no crisp passing displays.
We were good v Everton but unlucky. We need to up the work rate and Steve nailed his interview yesterday. No Hunger. I'm not a steve g hater and I want him to keep going but i'd give him a stronger role on the motivation side. Player Assistant manager for me. Last night was his best interview i've seen.
YNWA Liverpool - it will come together. We probably over achieved last season but hey, everyone needs a bit of luck and with the CL money and Suarez money we're ok! I'd have kept Agger though.
Haway rogers. Get the best out of the players who are all yours now!
{Ed002's Note - Stevie Clarke will not be returning after previously being sacked by the club.}
Aye steve clarke - that's the fella
02 Oct 2014 13:35:19
Ed002 I thought they asked him to stay but he chose to leave?
{Ed002's Note - They refused his resignation and then immediately after appointing Brendan Rodgers Stevie was sacked. Rodgers for a whiles reported to SC at Chelsea.}
02 Oct 2014 11:03:12
Am I the only one who is bothered with the lineup? I think it is clear that BR wants to play 2 strikers (Sturridge and Balo), but since Sturridge is unavailable he only plays with Balo. So far it is clear that Balo can´t cope with with the oppositions back 4, hence he needs another striker to draw some of the attention away from him (just like Sturridge and Suarez did).
Tbh I think we have been poor, and looked clueless when we´ve played with 1 striker. It affects the rest of the team, because they don´t know who to pick out. Balo is the only target (and I think he is doing a decent job if you think about the poor conditions he is being given), and he is been marked out of the game, so goals and the creativity has to come elsewhere. Atm Sterling seems deflated, Coutinho is only showing glimpses, Henderson is a work horse but he is not the creative player and we shouldn´t rely on him to get the missing goals. Markovic needs time. So to sum it up, our current system isn´t benefitting anyone besides our opponents.
This is not a post to degrade the individual player, but a post to highlight that the current formation just doesn´t work. Even at Everton we were poor, but we only drew because Everton played as poorly as we did.
Actually, BR always wanted to play with 1 striker. Look through his Swansea, reading and even with LFC when possible, he has always tried to play a 4-3-3 with 1 up top.
I agree with you, but I think he has come to realization that the 433 system just doesn´t have the wanted effect, hence why he bought balo, so he could play 2 up front.
But discussing what BR is thinking is pointless because we will never get to a conclusion.
Also another thing that irritates me, is that he doesn´t utilize his subs probably. More often than not, he continues to play a formation/player that doesn´t have the wanted effect, instead of trying to change it.
Real AG, ajax was the first team that played 4-3-3 total football.barca copied it.
Both have changed there style, both leave 1 wing open for the back to attack, 2 on the wings puts to much pressure on midfield.
if we play with 3 attackers we will get hit on the counter.
Against spurs was our best setup.
We have 1 problem in this system we do not have that powerful controlling midfielder to break up play.
We need a marcherano/keane type it will help our defence.
Malta
B-Rod is in love with Barcelona's way of playing ball moving the ball around in a 4-3-3. The problem is they have Messi, we have Balotelli.
Barca have changed the way they play to a 3-3-3-1 since Luis Enrique took over. Make of that what you will.
02 Oct 2014 11:02:11
Apologies for the long post:
This transfer window just gone was abysmal.
We could have spent much less on much better players.
Hamsik, Bender (Lars or Sven), Remy, Begovic.
There we have the areas that needed sorting, sorted, these are players that would come in and have an instant impact, not waiting for them to hopefully shine in two years time.
The only players we signed i agree with are Can and Moreno.
Transfers over, pitchside is even worse.
We lack everything we had last year, that incredible team work, the never say die attitude, wonderful pace and ability and quality end product.
we now have players strolling about, a few look as if they are playing for themselves and not the club. We have a distinct lack of pace and commitment to the cause when moreno, sterling and sturridge are out.
And yes we were poor defensively last year, but this year doesn't even come close to that, we are diabolical, Simon doesn't lead or dictate his box, he parries balls back into the onrushing attackers and he makes mistake after mistake.
Nobody will convince me that Lovren is better than Agger, Sakho OR Skrtel. Nobody will convince me that Wisdom, Kelly and Illori couldn't provide cover better than Toure.
The way we have treated Suso, who has been consistantly good, not brilliant, but good, is just astounding.
Poor management right through the club, transfers, tactics, training.
I'm not calling for anything drastic such as a sacking, but tweaks are needed and Brendan doesn't seem to be learning.
If things continue in this vein coming up christmas, don't be surprised to see Brendan gone.
I disagree on Lovren, who I think is our best CB.
Everyone is suddenly a football expert when the team isn't winning.you are a disgrace just like every other fan here slating the players when things aren't going well
If you had a problem with the players we signed you should have complained about it before they ever put on a liverpool jersey.just like edoo1 did
02 Oct 2014 12:23:03
So as a fan, i'm not allowed to voice my discontent at my club for moving back to where we were a few years ago, even after huge investment from the owners?
Am I supposed to mindlessly cheer my team when they lack the effort and desire to play for the shirt?
Didn't realise the only thing fans can do is be happy and put sprinkly icing on the fact we have played awfully this year, bought awfully, the only positive comprehensively beating an equally disappointing spurs side
02 Oct 2014 12:27:38
So Jessie mate, Could the person stick with his opinion on the player till He proves or Once He croses the stanley gate, He becomes the Messi?
Everybody seems to be a football genius AFTER the games have been played and the results are known. There`s a reason they are called arm-chair critics sitting in their moms` basement, eating chips and giving football "lessons" to people. #Clueless!
02 Oct 2014 13:24:59
redohio
are we supposed to use our intense superfan powers to comment on the performance in a game before the game has even started then?
To be fair, I don't think it would be difficult to say how the WBA game will go. I suspect the vast majority of the players will be the same knackered looking ones that played yesterday. The only wild card I can think of is Sturridge.
02 Oct 2014 14:54:07
RDL
Studge won't play
Needs to be wrapped in cotton wool and allowed to heal fully before being thrown into this underperforming team and being relied on so heavily
02 Oct 2014 10:44:07
my thoughts on the transfer window and our season so far.
actually think transfer window wasn't terrible just a few things could've/should've been better. Think there are players we tried to get rid of but couldn't [mainly johnson and borini] would prefer to move borini on but is a good player so not the worse. Johnson personally would like to have seen gone and used flannaghan. Personally would have prefered toure out and used ilori but my didn't happen. Only one i think we got wrong was markovic, don't get me wrong think he has potential but isn't ready for the 1st team and the EDs pointed out chelsea shared this view. Think we should have gone for an experienced wide forward instead - i go on about them a lot but think yarmolenko or kono were obvious choices - both experienced with european/international football [big games etc] have good records in both [bout 1 in 3 i believe] and at 24/25 reaching their career peaks and probably would have slotted into the team better, if you've watched kono imagine having him to come on from the bench and change last nights game!
with last night/this season. Think mario is a great player but needs to adjust to our game and needs our team to adapt a bit to his play. looked a bit isolated last night, but has been putting more effort then i've seen him put in his entire career so far and think when sturridge is back we will see a good partnership form between them. Biggest mistake this season was sterling starting against boro, just don't see the point tbh and has looked shattered since [look at when he got put through by lallana last night], 120 mins in a game i could care less if we had lost. should have played suso and a mixture of youth and players who needed game time [borini, lambert, flanno etc]. Also don't see why coutinho played, is out of form and lallana made an instead impact when he game on - with him and henderson would have had far more energy in the midfield and could have got control early in the game, coutinho should have only game on if we needed a goal or were winning comfortably. Moreno needed to start, enrique has barely played and moreno is the better lb - simple. Manquilo is another player who shouldn't have played in the boro game but agreed with his starting the game. Finally, changes needed to be made quicker last night! 60 mins in we had looked toothless and no where near scoring, should have taken off sterling [sorry looked shattered] for borini, coutinho for lallana, and lambert for markovic. Lallana made an instant change to the game but thought more changes should have been made early as brining lambert on later was too late and needed another player to come on to change the game up a bit. Borini has great movement and personally like him as a player just don't think he is built for the BPL, but in CL games he his movement, technique and pressing would have helped, plus if you give a chance i'd back him to put it away. As a whole we have changed our most of our players and out style of play last season and I am baffled as it just isn't working!
02 Oct 2014 14:08:46
You can't sell players if nobody wants to buy them.
02 Oct 2014 10:44:05
Can I just remind people that our bad preformances at the moment are nothing to do with the lack of Suarez as he is still banned and will be for the rest of this month. Also if we had kept him we may not have some of the signings that are/were preforming well (Manquillo, Moreno, Lallana and Can). Another thing is that regardless of if Suarez was here or not, Sturridge would probably still be injured and we would have the choice of only Lambert and Borini up front, and to be honest a team with that strike force does not deserve to be anywhere near the top 8, let alone the top 4. So maybe, just maybe, our preformances are to do with a mix of poor defensive coaching, a change in formation and style and having to play some players who at the moment are not cutting the mustard i.e. Balotelli and Markovic who most likely wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for the Suarez sale. What should have happened once he was sold was that he was replaced by a few high quality and experienced players not a host of inexpereinced young talent, who are good for the future but not good enough at this moment in time (a little fact for you, the average age of Liverpools signings this summer was 23, which is in my opinion 4 years to young).
02 Oct 2014 09:51:11
Sturridge signing new deal. . Least some good news.
Hmm Suarez signed a new deal last December. .
02 Oct 2014 10:39:26
Great news! All will be fine again once he's back and healthy. I'll have him any day of the week ahead of Balotelli.
02 Oct 2014 15:20:15
Celestyn
Yes because Studge will prevent us from conceding goals
He will help us score goals which is more important.
02 Oct 2014 09:43:05
Our drastic dip in form has started with the injuries of Sturridge, Allen and Emre Can (who could turn out to be one of our better signings I believe). After the Villa fiasco it's been almost all downhill. Balotelli obviously just doesn't cut it as a lone forward, (everyone realized this except for our manager it seems), plus Rodgers' constant tinkering with the back 4 didn't help our cause either. It's beyond me why the club doesn't get someone to help Rodgers with the defense. I'm just hoping that when those 3 players return who I mentioned earlier the balance will be back in the team.
Not sure what your expecting from ballotelli. If you want him to score goals then he needs service, he's not getting it at all. He's not going to make something out of nothing.
02 Oct 2014 10:38:03
I would agree with Sturridge, But How would Emre Can be such an Infleunce to the team?
Allen was the same player last season who ahrdly got a start ahead of Countinho?
We reverted a winning formula to a pass and move system ( Swansea style, Ex-Swansea manager )
Just order both Henderson and Countinho to press high, win the first ball and release it quick, we might not score 4 a game, but defo would score a couple.
02 Oct 2014 10:48:37
HK
Buy a coach for defense issues. The next would be someone to help the attackers. then another one to help the Midfeidlers, Then one for the Wingers.
What exaclty is BR paid for then. So How many coaches are at Chelsea and City?. A coach for every player?
Suarez work with the ball and without the ball made the hole team work harder we lost that now suarez brought believe into the team.
Sturidge drifts out wide to recieve the ball it helps the team just look at the spurs game we need him back asap.
Balo stays uptop and we come very predictable.
We had good chances yesterday we should have never lost that game.
With sturridge an balo uptop we will be a different team.
Allen is missed in games like these allen keeps the ball going in midfield.
We need a good win and get our confidence back.
Malta.
02 Oct 2014 09:36:39
I have to say - people here talk about our defence and midfield, yes we have some problems there but for me the issue is what happens to us in the last third. We had our chances yesterday or at least arrived several times in the second half near their goal and with focused finishers it could have finished 2:1 or even 3:1, but for some reason once we get there we look so pathetic. This ball that Raheem got from Henderson and just toed it and lost it to the keeper with no shot on goal was typical. Yes these things happen but they happen to us all the time this year. Players who were quite clinical last year for us or other teams, Sterling, Lambert, Markovich in Benfica (so I hear) Mario for Italy, they just get to the final third and then give a soft pass straight to the opposition or shoot miles and miles off the goal (like Markovich twice yesterday from really good chances. And on the rare occasion when it is on target it is always straight on the keeper, usually weak shot as well (Mario especially has this habit on kicking the ball straight on the keeper every time as if he gets extra pay for this) We have tons of corners and never do anything with them (but concede when they are against us), we get one on one or three on three and just drible ourself to death. For some reason our guys look so scared when they get to the final third - like Fernando Torres after not scoring for two years. And it wasn't against Everton in front of the kop. Just an away game in the CL against an OK team - why do they play with so much pressure on their shoulders? I really don't get it.
02 Oct 2014 10:19:14
We hardly crossed the half way line in the first half and had no chances. It was a huge surprise Basel didn't press us either, Else we would have conceded quiet a few in the first half.
Enrique was a lost child and missed his man more than 10 times during the first half.
Monqullio was energetic but with very less and 0% contribution from Markovic made his life even worse covering two and fro off the ground.
We were same in the second half till the goal came in and tried to raise the tempo. Raheem sterling wanted to do everything himself ( Not scored a goal in last 4 matches )
By the time Basel had the lead and defended well enough to protect the lead.
Neither Everton nor Basel pressed us and caused any kinda real danger. We were just poor and very poor. Lazy on the pitch.
If My psot reach the players or management, I would want all the palyers to donate their month Wage to Charity and repay the fans for their tickets and other expenses incured.
I am not surprised with Ballo at all. 1 goal 63 shots and 20 PL. His stats were his facts something we ignored.
02 Oct 2014 09:36:04
Ed002 thoughts please what's going on with Rodgers he intent on undoing all the good work from last season like with marcovic and coutinho are most out of form players this season yet keeps playing them and its clear balo needs someone up top wih him why not give lambert that chance instead of ten mins just don't get wt he's trying to do by abandon everything we were good at last year
{Ed002's Note - I rather regret my previous use of clichés such as a "kid in a candy store" and "all end in tears". My sincere hope for the Liverpool fans is that what we are seeing at this time really is transition and all will soon slip in to place. Rodgers has used terms like "lack of intensity", "needing to gel" at al but the real tell was when he said that the team would "come good in the second half of the season" (to paraphrase). I expected eruptions here when that was said but folks seem to have just missed it - but I can assure you the owners would have been apoplectic when hearing that. The owners have been given promises which won't be met. I have a colleague that tells me that the promises included an assurance of winning the EPL and challenging for the Champions League. Even the minimum acceptable criteria for an "acceptable" season are likely very much at risk. Sturridge will soon be back but I cannot see how he and Balotelli can sympathetically fit together in any way that would see Liverpool play like last season. Balotelli may not have been Rodgers choice but he certainly could have stopped the signing. Rodgers demeanour has become dour and he needs to sort himself out. His bizarre thoughts about applying business models like that of Tom Peters are nonsense in terms of a football club. He needs to get away from saying strange things after games - like "the players are disappointed not to have played better". It doesn't come across good and it simply looks like a pitiful attempt to deflect. The owners will not be forgiving. They need Liverpool on-field to match the expectations and leads being taken commercially off-field. The sales pitch is a high-profile winning formula - something that needs to be met to attract sponsors - shirt deals, naming rights of the ground etc.. The club remains worth less than the owners have invested. This summer was yet another roll of the dice financially - and within the mind set that UEFA will go easy on the club over FFP - that, of course, may not be a concern for next season. They want to get Phase 1 of the stadium work underway - but I remain fearful for Phase 2 happening in the short or medium term.}
My worry with Rodgers is that he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes. Last season, it was evident a DM was needed. Emre Can looks like he'll be a box to box mid when he does play rather than DM. Skrtel was the issue in defence last season, not Sakho, yet BR spends £20m on a left sided CB to displace him? let's be honest, is Lovren really an upgrade on Sakho?
It doesn't seem like he does any coaching defensively in training. We look completely clueless when we haven't got the ball.
02 Oct 2014 10:35:26
Ed002, With regards to your answer, Those expectaions couldn't be fullfilled. No chance of winning the title nor any further movment in CL.
You did mention in a previous post, there might be some kind of actions from the Owners, such as a check on the training and coaching.
Do you expect anymore further or strict actions if results don't improve and I mean the SACK
{Ed002's Note - The owners are without doubt targeting two things on field - winning the EPL and winning the Champions League. They purchased a club that had great history but was a little down on luck. With the right people and with the right investment expectations were high. They have poured money in to the club accumulating losses and very significant debt. The commitment and push this summer was to achieve the goals - I am told that winning the EPL and challenging for the Champions League were promised.}
Interesting number 2, thanks.
Personally, if the owners took assurances of winning the league seriously then they are as foolish as the person who gave the assurance.
As far as the competition goes, if all teams play to their potential, the very best we can expect is 3rd. Any shrewd operator can see that.
{Ed002's Note - The owners took over the Red Sox with a goal to change it around and win the World Series. They funded significant changes and rebuilt the stadium. They had no problems making very significant changes to the coaching staff. They achieved their goal. At Liverpool they were looking to do the same with defined targets of the EPL and the Champions League. Aside from Francona who was around a few years (because of his success) they have regularly changed manager/coach in search of success). They are good owners, but much of the "love" they show for the club is posturing - the bottom line is that they are unforgiving businessmen who will be ruthless to achieve their aims. If not, I have no doubt Brendan Rodgers will be calling them soft as well. A good match for his soft boys.}
02 Oct 2014 10:55:30
Roger goes about saying the easiest job of a coach is defence. Turns out he's either so ignorant or underestimate that basic aspect of coaching. Blah, blah, blah all he knows!
02 Oct 2014 11:19:08
TBH Ed. I am with you and after such performance I would still say.
Give the same team to a fantastic manager. A winner. We would walk away with top 4.
I could actually predict BR substitution next game.
1. lambert for marko
2. Borini for Countinho.
He hasn't done anything different than this in two years.
02 Oct 2014 13:34:23
Well said Ed002, I haven't seen what Rodgers said in respect to form but that is worrying, I was under the impression a few more awry results and we could be out of the chase for top four 1/4 of the way through the season, pessimistic maybe but you can only really afford to lose 7 possibly 8 games in a season, and drop points in another six, and we haven't exactly played Chelsea or Arsenal yet.
I think it's interesting that Brendan has not signed a new contract yet.
Will he get one?
02 Oct 2014 09:35:50
Finding it hard to gain hope from this match, the team seems totally flat & again I have no idea why Brendan has changed a winning formula. He may talk about intensity & 'gelling' but seriously Ed002 has called it perfectly here, it's transition, transition of a system and players at the same time. Even if we draw/win this it's only papering over the cracks & the fact is that we're going to seriously need a change soon & I can't see Brendan surviving.
02 Oct 2014 09:17:20
Some interesting facts
Wellbeck 16,000,000 pounds
Balotelli 16,000,000 pounds
Wellbeck m 183 g 41 SR: 0.2240
Balotelli m 230 g 89 SR: 0.3867
Luis Suarez had an exceptional season in 2013/14.
That does not mean that he will have an exceptional season in 2014/15 or would have had he stayed with Liverpool. The goals came from THREE players last season - that is what has to change. That would take a lot of pressure of Sturridge and Balotelli who are expected to walk the ball into the net with some of the passes that are aimed at them through a busy defence
02 Oct 2014 09:40:14
None of the facts are actually proving till yet.
EMS will salivate at this
Sorry, Boom, I cannot follow what you are saying.
02 Oct 2014 11:20:44
Pape.
The sats which was actually quiet a hit here during transfer window has proved nothing but negative impact.
If you're going to talk about Balotelli's goal scoring, I think it only fair to remove penalties from the equation. At City, he had 30 goals in all comps in 2.5 seasons. 8 were penalties, so 22 from open play in two and a half years.
02 Oct 2014 08:50:29
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
So what happened last night? That master technician (she of the strange team selections) Big Brenda got it wrong again. The Italian cheetah (sorry cheater) and young Raheem were non existent as were Gerrard and the majority of others.
So it'll shortly be "Goodnight to Wednesdays" and "Welcome to Thursdays" that's if you're good enough to finish 3rd in the group!
What's next on the misery trail? WBA in the PL. Ouch! followed by a double header against Real Madrid. Oof! Oof!
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
"Welcome to Thursday" - The height of Everton ambition. Welcome to Krasnodar - I think that Everton have been invited to take on Harry Potter's at a game of qudditch. Let's face it that is the only way Everton will reach dizzy heights. By the way, I thought the object of gloating was take the mickey out of someone who was not as successful as yourself. Go back to sleep until 4.40pm on Saturday.
02 Oct 2014 09:46:21
Pape
Y did you disagree with the above post?. that's the post which should actually reach our players to be serious on the pitch.
We have every chance of dropping out of the CL and missing out next year.
I don't see any wrong in the OP.
02 Oct 2014 10:22:20
Get into school Davey you big girl.
{Ed002's Note - The Liverpool supporters really need to work on their "banter" skills.}
Ed, oh Ed - Were we all but as wise as you!
{Ed002's Note - Awesome is the adjective I prefer.}
Despite us having a truly torrid season so far, you do realize we are still above Everton?
{Ed002's Note - Better. Now tell him how much better the pies are.}
Don't forget the pies, Davey, the damn pies are better than yours too!
How did I do Ed?
{Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}
AweSOMe or awFUL ?
02 Oct 2014 11:47:56
Maybe if some Russian billionaire bought us and dragged us from being very ordinary maybe winning the odd cup. to cl qualification every year winning the odd league, we wouldn't have to worry about banter from Davey girl girl and other ordinary teams.
{Ed002's Note - An American billionaire already owns Liverpool.}
02 Oct 2014 13:34:39
Ed002. Most forgot the basics after watching us play yesterday. lols
03 Oct 2014 00:51:22
Harry you seem happier when we loose wtf.
02 Oct 2014 21:33:51
Ed002. Thank you for your restraint in the face of abject, uneducated views on here.
02 Oct 2014 22:12:49
According Forbes John w Henry was worth 1.1 billion DOLLARS in 2006 but the assets within his company went from worth 2.5 billion in 2006 to 100m DOLLARS in 2012.Hardly in the position to buy like city, Chelsea and utd.Not saying they are bad owners I have total trust in them but at this time for right r wrong even ordinary clubs can rise with big money men backing their success.
02 Oct 2014 08:50:00
I think stevie summed it up well. Well said big fella. If players don't learn from a night like that well god help them. Bring on the brom YNWA
02 Oct 2014 08:44:37
Hi if eds or anyone could give there opinion and maybe i'm just over thinking things, ( i blame my gf) but after the match Rogers said (according to bbc)
"Rodgers also revealed that he reminded some of his players to applaud the travelling contingent of Liverpool fans at St Jakob Park"
My question is why would Rogers make a point of telling the press this? was it to make himself look good? was it to make the players feel bad in the press? . surely if the millions of fans watching on tv didn't notice he could of had a word with them about it in changing room?
any replys would be appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - He is simply trying to play down an emerging story about Balotelli - I would not worry about it.}
Now i'm intrigued about the Ballo story
02 Oct 2014 08:21:03
I will be honest, there are no positives from last night - or the season so far - except a fluke win against Spuds! Yes a fluke, as we have not played a good game of football yet this season - compared to last.
So why? Suarez leaving? Surely 1 player does not make that much of a difference, he wanted to go and had been a good servant to us - so let him go with our best wishes.
We bought good players and have a really strong and talented squad, so what is going wrong? Tactics, player instructions and team bond.
The bond will come as a number of new faces in squad, what worries me is our woeful and boring tactics added to a complete sham in defence.
Sorry to say, but until the defence stops playing so poorly we will achieve nothing this year! I hate zonal marking by the way!!
We are also beginning to rely as a team on 1 or 2 players again, Sterling and the absent Sturridge! It is a team game and they need to play like one.
I had such high hopes this season and they are gone, we are currently way off the mark in Prem and CL.
Thankfully the season has just started and there is time to change this - I sincerely hope it does.
Gerrard was saying last night that the team was too soft. The fact is that is is Rodgers who is too soft. He continually allows the non-performers to play. It is time for him to say to the likes of Sktrel, José Enrique, even Johnson, that it is now time to buck up or in January they can buck off! It also time for Gerrard to sit on the bench for a few matches and come on if needed. There is talk of him being offered an extension to his contract - I think that it is time for him to consider retirement from playing and taking a coaching job with the younger players. Thank for everything Steve but it time to stop!
I have to say on last nights performance only Enrique could be satisfied with his efforts. I totally agree that Gerrard has gone and needs to come out the team, Hopefully Can or Allen will be back soon to take his place. He offers nothing going forward and his defending is a joke, always ball watching and loosing his man! Johnson has to go but he should have gone two years ago, only been getting worse.
I am a BR fan but his failure to instil a defending coach for the club is crazy, lfc teams of all age levels make the same mistakes at set pieces, even the U19's lost two late goals to set pieces to Basel yesterday. The clubs defensive philosophy is all wrong, we have completely lost all resemblance to last years team, no pressure on the ball and slow predictable play with it.
Finally our keeper is a disaster, panics like mad, no communication at all with defenders, bad positioning and his kickings a joke, why we don't play Jones for a couple games is beyond me.
I'm sorry Bazaa, but it absolutely is down to Suarez.
Last season opposing teams saw Suarez and were immediately on the back foot. Our players were confident and immediately on the front foot.
This season opponents see no Suarez and players like Lallana, Mario and Lazar. Opponents are immediately on the front foot and were on the back foot having lost one of the best players in the world.
Were we thumping 4-5 goals against teams before Suarez came back from suspension last season? NO.
If you doubt this, the exact same thing happened with Spurs and Bale.
Still not convinced? Watch the difference Di Maria and Falcao make to Man Utd compared to last season.
World class players need replacing with word class players. Quality will always come before quantity.
02 Oct 2014 10:53:15
Mr Chump
Diid you just said, Enrique had a decent game?. We had to deal more than 4 corners and 5 croses down left side in the first half shows how good Enrique was yesterday.He was well beaten by oppostion time and time again.
Ken
Agreed. Look at our teamsheet and no defenders would worry one bit. I had this view some days back. got abuse.
Ken, opposition teams would be on the back foot if we pressed more with a higher intensity, we didn't even start against Villa and that shows why it is of the utmost importance, Suarez was a big loss, but we've seen enough from individual players at times to know that they can do it.
Thank you for all your replies, I tend to agree that there are a few players that that no longer pull their weight. It would seem Gerrard is running on empty these days, a most loyal servant he has been. Enrique was out nearly all last season and not getting younger or better! Finally Johnson, well he is all done now and I wish he had gone already.
My biggest concern is our inability to play football as a team and compete, we make lesser opponents look like a class act!
Agreed, Suarez departure has been devastating, but I wish him well. As much as I like BR as our manager, he needs to change his tactics and team defending tactics, or I fear he will be gone on this current run of form.
02 Oct 2014 12:25:27
Bazzaa
Gerrard was the same Gerrard last season. We had a system which never touched Gerrarrd TBH.
Press the opposition high ( Hendo/ countinho/sterling/Allen)
Break them. and move it quick with pace.
Simple. Gerrard was never part of this attacking system
His role was to stop opposition attack. He quiet simply failed last season. conceding 30 goals through the middle.
I am not surprised if we are conceding this season.
02 Oct 2014 08:15:34
I wanted to delay my post so i could calm down a bit after last night. The player haven't changed that much for me. yes we have lost a world class striker and we won't be scoring the same amount or quality of goals this season but BR has taken it apon himself to try to change the way we play, the formation particularly. The lack of goals is down to this change more than any other factor and goals breed confidence for us and demoralize the opposition. We just need more of a goal threat, we need bodies in the penalty area and we have a proven premiership goal scorer sitting on the bench each week, or coming on and being asked to run the lines in areas he should never be. Its time for BR to make a change and accept his system is not working. Play lambert centrally, let mario roam about a bit but ultimately have 2 goal scorers on the park with runners from midfield. Goals will change everything.
02 Oct 2014 07:49:45
I really can't believe i have seen the first "Rodgers out" post. i'm not surprised its from Wembley78 either. This guy has nothing positive to say ever. Not that there is much positive things to say but calling for Bredans head (or Brenda as he calls him (pretty sad)) won't help our situation. The owners will give him this season i would guess to see if he was a one season wonder. i'm all for a touch of crytical input but surely at this stage its a bit dramatic to want the manager sacked? Wembley78 wise up man!
{Ed002's Note - Actually you have probably missed a number of similar posts over recent weeks. I have made it clear before that the owners will not sit and watch. They will take whatever action is necessary to protect their investment and to try to find Liverpool success both on field and off field. I speculated last week that someone will be asked to take a look at the way Rodgers is running the coaching side - and I will stand by that.}
Interesting 02
02 Oct 2014 08:09:26
There have been several people calling for his head. Check out the " Other Posts" page.
I have tried to be optimistic but we can't afford to give the man the whole season. If reasons don't improve in the next month or so and we are looking out of the group stage then steps need to be taken.
Problem is who will come in Mid-Season??
Ed look at him from a coaching side in what sense . I always believed him to be a very good coach but questionable in his transfer dealings .
{Ed002's Note - The owners have already tried to deal with his failings in respect of transfers by creating the transfer committee next year. Right now they will be looking to what can be done to make the team competitive again - and looking at the coaching and how the club deals with the players on a day-to-day basis would be part of that.}
He doesn't seem to have any defensive coaching capabilities
Why can't you believe there are calls for the managers head? Football is cut throat and huge investment requires payback in different forms, Rodgers being he supplies wins and silverware. We seem to have lost Suarez and in doing so lost our edge. I liked Rodgers style last season but since we are struggling he does not yet have enough experience to get out of the situation. We as the fans have to accept this and stand by him, or get him an experienced hand to help or look at a replacement. Only the owners know there intentions and I will stand by any decision as a fan and support the team.
Baz
02 Oct 2014 09:36:42
Would you speculate that it might be possible Rodgers would be shown the door before the end of season Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - I don't like answering questions with "might" in, but I would think the first move is to get someone in there to assess what is going on with the training, what is going on with the day-to-day management of the players and come up with a plan as to who and what might help. Rodgers would need to accept this help and work with whoever to make improvements. His pride might be dented but it is the success of the club which really matters.
If he cannot accept the need to change or help, then I could see the owners having to consider other options. To be frank, it would be naïve to think that they had not already done so.}
02 Oct 2014 09:36:54
Ed002, Absolutly loved with the News and very rightly So. I wouldn't be surprised if FSG issued an explanation to BR.
02 Oct 2014 06:55:44
We've been out the CL for years and Basel want it more than us? As a fan this isn't acceptable to me but it was evident.
I think we need to be taking a long hard look at our general and basic play. These lads didn't come cheap and I think maybe this is why fans crave "marquee" signings. Someone to fit right in and do the business from day 1.
I'm trying to remain positive hoping the performances and results will come but unless we learn our lessons and take our medicine we are going to struggle badly and given our spend this year we need to qualify again.
Come on Liverpool, step up!
02 Oct 2014 07:13:09
We have a match in less than 72 hours. Westbrom scored 4 in last match and I fully expect another lacklustre performance.
I would take a scrappy 1 nil all day long just to get 3 points on the board and make the take look a little bit healthier for us
02 Oct 2014 08:13:12
I actually thought such Days were over but am actually fearing playing west brom atm
I fear every match at the moment, we are not scoring goals! Coupled with class defenders that have been given poor tactics, we are leaking goals!
Relegation form so far this season, still it's early days!
My fingers are firmly crossed Reds.
02 Oct 2014 06:54:12
Really thought a win last night could have been a big stepping stone for us going into west brom and then the break.
We were awful last night Gerrard summed it up with his words but to focus on positives if we beat Basel at home we're back in poll position so not all bad.
I think Gary Neville of all people said it well that at the moment we just need a couple of wins and maybe a couple of scruffy goals from ballotellis lalanna and markovic and build up to playing the football we know we can we even saw glimpses of it last night so not all lost!
Finally I for one still going into any game can see us winning. to clarify I don't think we'll win every game but we definitely are capable of it. And while we're capable it's possible so bring on west brom bring back studge and I for one think there'll be a much better performance and a win come the weekend
02 Oct 2014 07:14:27
Sturridge won't be rushed back and relying too much on him would result the same outcome of Sterling. No goal in 4 matches.
02 Oct 2014 06:42:20
Eds is there any reason why I can't post Liverpool banter on the mobile site . It only allows me to post rumours. Just wondering if it's a problem for anyone else
{Ed033's Note - If you are talking about submitting a NEW post, the eds decide which page your submitted new post goes, so it doesn't matter which posting form you use.
if you are talking about REPLYING to an existing post, this is a different matter. Are you saying that the reply buttons/forms on the mobile rumours page work for you but reply buttons/forms on the mobile banter page do not work for you?
No the reply to post buttons are working fine for me . Thanks for clearing that up
02 Oct 2014 05:45:26
The worst match I have seen under BR. The players forward were awful absolutely uninspired. Sterling and Markovich should be rated zero over ten and Coutinho should be benched for the rest of the season. Balotelli for me was not at fault because he was alone to deal with three defenders. The only positive was Lallana and now I realised how we missed Allen and Sturridge.
Truly terrible. Agree Balotelli wasnt at fault but all the diving, rolling about is starting to sh*t me now. Same with him holding onto the ball too long. What has happened to Coutinho? Its like as soon as the first game rolled around he swapped himself with his crap footballing twin brother. Iv been pretty relaxed up till now and with a better showing in the derby, but panic stations aren't too far away.
02 Oct 2014 07:30:04
Salim
You do realise that the players you mentioned are the one who should carry us throughout out the season. ( First teamers )
03 Oct 2014 06:45:25
I fully expect you to be calling for capital punishment for Coutinho if we lose again, salim. A bit if overkill in benching him for the rest of the season.
02 Oct 2014 04:12:53
Just like every other fan here am too disappointed with the results. To make it worst the team is not even improving their performances.
I just want to vent out my anger by saying that, at a Big Club like Liverpool there shouldn't be excuses like the team is too young, the players are all new and our main striker is out injured.
All that matters is you go and get results 3 points and least 1 point.
If your team is new and players haven't got used to playing style then make them play with Youngsters, conduct all back door activities so they prepared for 1st team.
If we remove the new signings from 1st team then we have retained a team that can atleast earn 1 point each from every game.
Play Suso/Borini/Lucas for Pete's sake.
Basel weren't too good last night, we easily would have put 3 goals even if Borini was playing he would have helped to do some damage.
Assaidi looks better than Markovic any day. Markovic needs to be played with under 21 and should be asked to up his game.
A players adaptability to new league shouldn't cost the Club their Top 4 position. If that's the case then for Pete's sake don't buy such players.
Few signings aren't performing to the level that was expected, hope they step up their game soon.
02 Oct 2014 01:21:09
Gotta suffer threw the bad days and cherish the good days. We are Liverpool.
02 Oct 2014 07:54:14
Yes we are Liverpool, but we are definitely not the best team in the land. Anyone who thinks we will finish top 4 just because we are Liverpool needs to open their eyes and look at the reality of our performances and results. The football currently being served up reminds me of dark days under Uncle Roy, it's that bad. Even Sturridge's return won't wave a magic wand for a team that is bereft of belief, confidence and is full of mistakes. We are unrecognisable from last season. I'm not confident we'll even finish top half of the table.
02 Oct 2014 01:14:49
Hey Guys,
Liverpool not doing too well these days but please don't write us off.
We will make the group stages in cl, we must take advantage of our home games and play better in our away games.
As for EPL, we are four pts from third. Teams around us will drop points but we must improve and play as a team.
If we stay in the mix till Christmas who knows what will happen. Rodgers, himself said the real liverpool will come out in the second half of the season.
We go again at West Brom. A win and a clean sheet and we can move on. Teamwork is the most important thing now.
Zech
"We go again" is already wearing too thin.
Ludogrets, Aston Villa, Boro, West Ham, Everton, Basel WE GO AGAIN!
02 Oct 2014 00:24:56
The thing that is irritating me most is the way BR is using Henderson. He was arguably the best player we had last season (except Suarez). And yet we are playing him in holding midfield next to a 34 year old whose losing his pace and isn't a defensive midfielder anyway. In other words we are playing two holding midfielders neither of which are holding midfielders! If BR wants to setup this way then Lucas has to play end of and then Can or Allen when they are fit. Henderson's best attribute is his energy and ability to press and get box to box but he is having to do the work of two players because Stevie is too tired and has nothing left in the tank. Something has to change because we are still making mistakes at the back, we now have no energy or tempo to our midfield and we aren't scoring goals. Maybe we will turn it round and I can shut my mouth but with the system and tactics we have in place currently I struggle to see us getting out of this mess
Sorry to be so negative
YNWA
01 Oct 2014 22:58:58
Eds - do you see BR finish this season given how we look so far? I think it is beyond crisis, it is clear lack of quality + post trauma reaction (the trauma being Suzrez leaving) and lack of quality as well as traumas like this are not being fixed quickly. At the moment BR's future is in the hands, or more accurately the legs, of Sturridge. If he will be clinical like last season maybe we can still have some hope (with him today I would like to believe we would have scored 1 or 2). If he is also in post trauma or keep being injured, then that's it. The question is how and when do you think the owners will react. If it was Roman Abramovich or the ManCity guys, BR would be at home already. I am under the impression that our owners is reluctant to change managers mid season but obviously if we don't start to win games and score goals at least in the PL, they will have to act? Or do they stick to BR until the end of the season unless he 'lose the dressing room'?
{Ed001's Note - I don't think there is a lack of quality, we are just not using our quality to its best effect. Rodgers has some time to turn it round, but I don't know how patient the owners will be considering their spending in the summer.}
02 Oct 2014 00:46:18
Too lightweight?, we need some steel but does BR listen to the fans? you lot answer that because i don't think he does, we had a lucky season last year, how we got to second is a mystery to me, we weren't good enough that's why we didn't win the league, reaching second gave us all false hope, i enjoyed the ride like everyone but i ddin't hand on heart think we would win it, the fans knew the areas we needed sorted, but they have not been sorted properly a couple of injuries and we fall to pieces,
i am not sure BR has a plan he stumbles from signing to signing hoping they will work, i think Mario was available at the right price and we needed a striker regardless if he would fit in, so "we took him" loads of fans didn't think he was our kind of player, more trouble than he was worth etc. maybe he is trying too hard. like win the ball, pass it upfield to himself and score! not going to work Mario mate, so what now? it will be alright when Sturridge comes back, but will it and what if he gets injured again? Can is a very good player and i think he will prove to be a good signing but while he is injured who does the job? Lucas? he can't get on the field! the buck stops with Brendan i'm sorry to say, he's had time to assess the squad and what's needed, but he has failed to do it, he has saved the club money with wages and big fat contract players but he has spent millions on young players now being farmed out and he's waiting for a decent offer for them, there are too many to mention you all know who i'm talking about, in his "good" column he has given a couple of youngter's a game, not enough i hate to say, i thought he was a Messiah and had a few things to learn and he would learn quickly, but he hasn't. i don't know what to do to be honest, i want to back him but things will have to get so much better, like playing teams that on paper should have no chance against us almost beating us and playing better than us! i can hear you now "keep the faith" "it's just a blip" well we shall see i suppose.
02 Oct 2014 03:48:48
If any other club. BR would have been off as early as tomorrow.
Its becoming clear with every passing match that the manager is out of his depth. The transfer window was absolute shambles, the players the club brought were either not needed or simply did not fit into the system we played last season. Apart from the full backs, Lovren and Can, did we really need to splurge stupid money on the other players bought, especially 2 strikers with no pace whatsoever? Did we need to spend 25 million GBP on Lallana when we already had Suso and Teixiera? We have gone from having 2 workhorses up front with a good understanding of the game and brilliant goalscorers to 2 carthorses who can only hold the ball up but have no clue how to put the ball in the back of the net. The team's biggest weapon last season was pace up front, unfortunately BR decided to break up that blueprint completely and now there is no plan A, but just a vague plan B of a target man up front. So much money has been spent on improving the defense, but even a blind dog can see it is BR and his staff's incompetence that is leaking goals because the players certainly did not become average over night. This rubbish excuse of transition and time to bed in needs to go, BR had his chance and he blew it pretty much like AVB did at Spurs.
Come on Jack! How did you not think we were not going to win the league last year? We were top with a few games to go man! We slipped up, litterally!
02 Oct 2014 00:29:16
Hi guys,
Disappointing result and performance tonight and a very poor start to the season. This all started at the end of last season when we lost to Chelsea at home. The confidence has been blown to bits and it's going to take this season to correct it.
I think Rodgers is a very good coach but is maybe lacking in a little bit of experience at the moment this is why a director of football would have been ideal when he took over but his ego wouldn't allow it.
I honestly think that the cause of most our problems defensively is none other than Martin Skrtel! The guy simply cannot defend! Until he is dropped there will be no improvements as he is such a liability!
02 Oct 2014 03:51:03
DOF. would have bought some other players and BR would have a reason to blame.
So we lost the game due skretel.
was it 3-4 to the scoreline and Skretel had the hand in all 4 goals.
02 Oct 2014 00:23:09
Football ultimately is a simple game, you give it and move and make yourself available to receive it again. When defending pick up your man and stay on him.
I get the feeling rodgers is over complicating things and trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Our play is slow, rigid and turgid, we are trying to play like last season but the players we now have are not suited to that style especially balo.
Go back to basics, practice passing and moving and play effective players who are playing in their natural position. All this stuff about diamonds and one striker or two, rollocks to that. Put 11 players on the field two banks of 4 with two up top and play with movement and passion.
We lost a leader in suarez and replaced him with children. its sad, so sad after the heroics of last season. I started the season optimistic but my expectations have fallen to absolute zero. Sigh.
01 Oct 2014 23:47:32
Pity you tonight Eds the doom and gloom lot are crying for blood.
{Ed007's Note - And it's me that needs to read it (party)
If it was only a one off you would have a point!