Liverpool Banter Archive September 02 2010

 

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02 Sep 2010 23:54:54

I think personally the americans should sell up as soon as possible if there being charged 2.5 million every week. . so if i was them i would get out as quickly as i could an even if it meant making no profit or losing so be it and it would be a lesson well learnt for future investments that they would want to take

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 23:23:17

In his shadow

Sorry mate can you put that into bullet points or somethin for me, I just need to see the points you were getting at without a novel.

Sorry if that causes offence.

Spriggo


as DECEIVINGLY as it may seem. .
the bullet points version was itself narrowed to this. . a novel. .

 

 

02 Sep 2010 23:20:31

Adios for the night lads, ta for the views, always good reading and to be honest I have learnt to look out for a few other players due to people on this sight which is always good. Will be regularly visiting as I have been for over a week now.

Nice site I hope it expands further for you.

Spriggs

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 23:18:42
Ahh good choice ed Alexis Sanchez and Keisuke Honda great are great players, and would make us have one of the best foward lines in the world! (in my opinion) gah i wish you could use your sources and contact to make it happen {ed's note - I wish too, I doubt we can even afford to buy them both on FM10!}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 23:03:56
ED just curious but if a takeover happens what positions would you like strengthening? and by what players? mine would have to be the wings and strike force with the classic Turan and Aguero that all liverpool fans love ;) {ed's note - I think I have already mentioned tonight that the 2 players I would love to bring to the club are Alexis Sanchez and Keisuke Honda. Both can play in a number of positions and give the club flexibility, both can play on the wings and as forwards. Honda can also play at left back or just about anywhere he is needed for that matter. With Torres up top, flanked by Honda to the left and Sanchez to the right, teams would be terrified of facing us. That would give us pace, power, skill and work rate, all 3 are prepared to track back when needed.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:59:44

Between yahya kirdi an his investors and sheik al maktoum who do u tink is the better person 2 buy the club
clic unbeleivable if u want sheik
or baleiveable 4 kirdi
wat do u tink ed/

{Editor's Note: I am not sure enough is known about Kirdi's investors. There are a bunch of considerations not least is the buyer must be in it for something other than a short term profit. Also key is any debt leveraged on the club must be for the tangible benefit of the club (i.e. a new stadium.}

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02 Sep 2010 22:58:25
Your right ed insuas problems were definitley his weight.

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - shame, he looked top class as a kid, another waste of potential. It is sickening when you look at players like Spearing and Darby, they haven't had half the chances Insua has had but they give their all every day in training.}

so right ed we could have used darby as left-back instead of insua just to give him a few games, but hopefully we can can twust woy in giving youth a chance, i can't wait to see shelvey and wilson,

ROUND ROBBEN

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:54:41
A possible starting 11 after next window=
- - - - - - -Reina- - - - - - - -

-Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konchesky-

- - - - -Gerrard- Meireles- - -

-Sanchez - - Honda - - -Cole

- - - - - - - -Torres- - - - - - -

Aguero Turan subs

What do you think ed do you think those 4 players would be targets for LFC that is Aguero Turan Sanchez an Honda cheers ed {ed's note - if only we could afford to get Sanchez and Honda! If we have the money, then Roy would have to be insane not to look at those two.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:54:28
Who would you rather have now? Robben or Snijder? Considering we are in need of a left winger.

Spriggo {ed's note - I wouldn't take either, Robben is too injury prone and Sneijder would cost too much and doesn't add the things we lack. Liverpool needs to add pacey players, I would buy Honda and play him on the left.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:52:53
Your right ed insuas problems were definitley his weight.

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - shame, he looked top class as a kid, another waste of potential. It is sickening when you look at players like Spearing and Darby, they haven't had half the chances Insua has had but they give their all every day in training.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:52:27

I do like Suarez like deffo, I was hopin we could pick him up before he became so known to people. But as he is now top drawer money I think I would have to go with Mr Aguero as that lad is sheer class. It would be down to the staff to see who would be better settling in and complimenting the side but to spend that type of money, the only player I would put ahead of Aguero (aside from Messi) as a striker is Torres and he's here thankfully. That includes Villa who is one greedy player.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:51:22
Alot of ppl asking about the 4 spaces left in liverpool's squad-are they for january signings.
no. you register a new squad in january(after the deadline), so if you buy seven players and sell a few you can register a new squad.

ROUND ROBBEN

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:47:44
I agree with ed koncheskey is miles better than insua, although i do rate insua i rate konchekey higher.Tbh as soon as hodgson joined i thought (and hoped) he'd go for koncheskey, he is a solid full back and makes good forward runs, i think he is alot better than we are giving him credit for.

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - I am not his biggest fan, but he does deliver good quality crosses and free kicks, has decent pace, puts in the effort, oh and he is not 3 stone over weight because he can walk past Burger King.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:43:20
Not much banter here 2nite, its all quiet and lonely, what we need now is someone with news of the takeover.now every1 who would you prefer suarez or aguero.

ROUND ROBBEN

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:42:09
Ed yer it seems a pretty long way to go about gettin rid of players an like you said - for a loss. Especially as we have just forked out money for Konchesky as Insua left.

Thinking about Konchesky I am actually pretty hopeful with a good solid left back who could settle in the side (without injuries like Aurelio) we could do alright. We haven't really had a consistent left back for some time. If Mr Meireles is half as good as what we all hope then we could do a lot better than expectations after the West Brom game. If he and Gerrard can balance and compliment each other we could really be on a winner as even Alonso and Gerrard didn't work that well as just a pair without Masch.

With a fit Joe Cole and a free midfielder of either Gerrard or Meireles adding to the attack we should cause problems to anyone.

Spriggo {ed's note - I agree mate, I think it is clear we strengthened the team in the transfer window, despite operating at a profit. Konchesky might not be the best left back in the world but he is a massive improvement on the player he is replacing.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:39:06
ATM. the three i would bring to liverpool are sanchez(dont think i must explain myself)
Luis garcia(my absolut fav. he is a great little player and roy could get sommin more out of him, plus he can help develop young foreigners)
Luis Suarez(great striker perfect for prem, sign him before barca and city get interested).

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - If I had to choose a 3rd player I would take Alonso, he was fantastic.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:27:43

02 Sep 2010 21:57:34
So many ppl on this site are linking us with ruiz, i don't rate him at all hes 15million and not star quality, just add 3million to that and you could go for sanchez, hes the quality we want, . .and i kno i've sed this alot buy sanchez, but seriously we should he's amazing,

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - he is top class, I have watched a lot of him play, purely because on an old incarnation of Champ Man (before FM even appeared) I ended up managing Chile in the game. Since then I have looked out for Chile in tournaments etc, and that lad has stood out a mile in every youth comp he has been in. He would be the second player I would bring to Liverpool if I could choose any players in the world, the first being Keisuke Honda. Honda because he is top class in almost every single outfield position (he starred at left back in one game I watched) and he would shift shirts like nobody else on earth.}

nice to see the ed agreeing with my views, and btw was that chapman 01 02 that is easily the best and on my career ryan babel apeered in ajax ranks as a left back

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - I can't remember which one it was mate, I have played it in so many incarnations now. It was much better when they just brought out updates until they had time to make the game a real upgrade rather than just bolting on a new feature every year and selling it as a new game.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:22:34
Ah I'm on top of what In the shadow was chattin now, bit difficult reading it on my phone like.

Could well be possible if the deals are tied off and money has been put down as a part payment for players like. What do you think Ed?

Spriggo {ed's note - he is talking rubbish mate. You don't asset strip by selling a player for a loss, that is less money for them to put in their own pockets. Aqua was sold because he wasn't fancied by Roy, just like Rafa didn't want him after watching him in training. Nothing to do with asset stripping or anything else other than him being unwanted. The last Roy wanted was a sicknote clogging up the treatment table for no good reason and ruining the atmosphere in the club.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 22:12:09

In his shadow

Sorry mate can you put that into bullet points or somethin for me, I just need to see the points you were getting at without a novel.

Sorry if that causes offence.

Spriggo

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 21:59:50
Now that the transfer window has closed, who will Liverpool sign in Janurary?
Maby a striker will sign, and now lfc have some time to choose the best possible striker that will be value for money.
Roy Hodgson has made some good signings during this window and lfc are already looking alot stronger than what they were last season.
This will boost the confidence in the squad and this will be seen in the performance of the players throughout the season.

A possible starting 11=
- - - - - - -Reina- - - - - - - -

-Johnson-Carra-Agger-Konchesky-

- Poulsen- Gerrard- Meireles- - -

- - - - - Cole- -Babel- - - - - -

- - - - - - -Torres- - - - - - -

 

 

02 Sep 2010 21:57:34
So many ppl on this site are linking us with ruiz, i don't rate him at all hes 15million and not star quality, just add 3million to that and you could go for sanchez, hes the quality we want, . .and i kno i've sed this alot buy sanchez, but seriously we should he's amazing,

ROUND ROBBEN {ed's note - he is top class, I have watched a lot of him play, purely because on an old incarnation of Champ Man (before FM even appeared) I ended up managing Chile in the game. Since then I have looked out for Chile in tournaments etc, and that lad has stood out a mile in every youth comp he has been in. He would be the second player I would bring to Liverpool if I could choose any players in the world, the first being Keisuke Honda. Honda because he is top class in almost every single outfield position (he starred at left back in one game I watched) and he would shift shirts like nobody else on earth.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 21:21:03
What a gem. .

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02 Sep 2010 18:49:09
News from inside anfield on aquilani

roy asked him in a training session to show what he can do without the ball as well as with it - said he has loads of ability but wants him to work hard and fight for possession when he hasn't got the ball - he could not handle it - went down, pulling up and holding his ankles when tackled hard - roy said to sammy after 10 minutes he's not for me and shipped him out on loan.
technically he is a good player but he's not strong enough for the premiership - i reckon i could push him off the ball - all that wasted money - shame!

Almost believable, people this is what a multi-million pound business's media engine sounds like!
These rumours. . . . . . . . .
Trust the yanks (or Bank) not to even miss this site!

Now what a great excuse for spending 20 million pound on forward. . yes folks he's naturally a second striker (watch how juva play him)
Then after an injury plagued season while trying to adapt to a new league, quickly sold of. . .
. . .erm i mean loaned.
No i don't! This loan sale thing is better done this way for player recuperation value and so as to break up the obviousness of the asset stripping!
(Same as with Insua. . )

They led you to believe he was alonso's replacement. . through the simple one in, one out of alonso last year. . . So you all moaned. we heard it all season from the anti rafa media all season "Ooo how they miss alonso and got this player instead"

He was in fact acquired to play behind Torres for the second part of the season once injury free and settled better into a new league
As one of those "very rare these days" naturally intelligent "in the hole" type players
Rafa's master stroke for No19 was as such.
He believed that even with his expected injury throughout the first part of the season he would adapt to the premiership, team and tactics as only this sort of player can

Leaving Gerrard to retake his natural place in the heart of midfield. .

(So in fact gerrard was alonso replacement. . a happier gerrard. . something that even the anti liver pool media were saying was his best position as a dig at Rafa)

Leaving a new far more intelligent(in breaking down defences with play reading, simple passes and deft touches) foil for torres to terrorise the premiership
with!
Adding not only this new dimension to our attacking game but now gerrard's natural box breaking runs and shot space finding for long shots,

This was to be Rafa's masterstroke after coming second the year before. .
and with rafa's hands tied behind his back due to alonso caught with his trousers down the year before, and agreeing to engineer a good move if he stayed one more season(this stroke actually worked as it doubled his value)

But the story as we all know turned out differently. . .

with a season very quickly going down the pan, and setbacks with first the injury but then fitness levels after far longer than expected off. . Aqua-man never got his chance. .
When in fact right at the end. . he did. for the first time in the most phyisically demanding and high paced league in the world. . he got to string a few games together!
And what happened. . Well if it hadn't been for that woodwork that he must of smashed records in hitting! he would of been our only light in our worst season for many years. But that aside he really did start to show in a DECEPTIVELY short time what a good player he was. .

So. Well heads up lads. at least next season we now have some player here. Just think after a nice summer break to fully get over what injury was nagging him(this was why Italy never took him). and more time to adapt to a new country, language, team and tactics. (nope not tactics as everyone now on the same foot with a new manager). . Our marquee signing already bought and adapted LAST season. .
But no asset stripping was on agenda this summer. .
So While purslow was in spain trying to sell "to no avail (unless agreements made for next year)" an injured Torres after a bad world cup. and worthy of a punt. if a certain new Madrid manager would like to bid for a certain stevie gerrard.

Back here in England business was as usual.

What they do. . simple. They went with the anti rafa media and used it and its blaming of Aqua-man, and Insua (and lucas but they couldn't get shot) to make their marquee signings of the season.
Their bank account fattening deals!

Think they call it profit!

Wake up!

InHisShadow

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 20:42:02
Here's hoping Konchesky an Meireles settle in quickly.

Hazel Big Mac

{EDITOR'S NOTE: Amen}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 20:29:46

{Editor's Note: I disagree with investing heavily - plus we don't have the money to do it. It has not worked for Manchester City and people forget that Chelsea were there or thereabouts already when Abramovic arrived.}

Chelsea may have been 'there or thereabouts' but it was about to collapse because they overstretched themselves. So Bates left and they got lucky with the Russian. Chelsea were doing a Portsmouth or a Leeds and won trophies off the back of debt.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 20:15:27
{EDITOR'S NOTE: The take over will be complete very soon with money avilable for the january window}

Any idea who's going to buy the club ED?

Blair Mayne YNWA

{EDITOR'S NOTE: The Al Kharafi family could be the new owners though there is others at the table}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 20:04:25
ED, i bet your sorry now you ever mentioned Mourinho coming, people on here are going to go on and on and on and on until we all loose the will to live! ! ! !

YNWA

{EDITOR'S NOTE: Must of been one of the other Ed's maybe the main ed i will ask him does he no when he back}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 20:03:22

Heared liverpool where offered vdv on the last day of the window for 8m Purslow turn it down

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 19:49:21
So Mourinho joins arguably the biggest clubs in the world, only to leave it 6 months later, breaking his contract with them and refuses to sell to a team he will be managing in 6 months BS

 

 

02 Sep 2010 19:48:37

Just had some strange news take over nerly completed they are happy for the club to look like it's getting run down because when they do apear they will look like saviours but still increase prices sorry folks end of October mark my words

Lfsee

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 19:46:25

{EDITOR'S NOTE:The take over will be complete very soon with money available for the january window}
I note the words "very soon".Ed, is there something you know?Please quantify "very soon" for us.
Much appreciated.

KODIAK

{EDITOR'S NOTE: Just sit tight and if things stay as they are progressing then the deal will be sorted very soon but you know yourself how fragile these things are and I do not want to commit at he min incase things fall through ;-)}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 19:37:45
To those hoping the mourinho rumours might be true, there not. He's already stated that he'd never manage us, even if those quotes are not true. He's always waxing lyrical about fergie and man u, so that breaks any chance of him coming to us.

Recoba

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 19:33:22
"I think my wife and daughters deserve to enjoy every day to the full and live their lives but they have to be at home all day. My wife doesn't speak a word of English, so she depends 100% on me. I live here with them. That's my world, that's my life"

Steven Gerard could have used the same excuse.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 19:30:06
Interesting from the Fiver today

QUOTE OF THE DAY

"I think my wife and daughters deserve to enjoy every day to the full and live their lives but they have to be at home all day. My wife doesn't speak a word of English, so she depends 100% on me. I live here with them. That's my world, that's my life" – Javier Mascherano, 17 May 2010.

"When they started to involve my family and to say things that didn't make sense, I obviously suffered. That [the transfer from Liverpool to Barcelona] didn't have anything to do with my family or anything else. When you read or hear lies, you obviously get angry" – Javier Mascherano, 2 September 2010.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 18:30:59
So ED just to clarify. .

Your saying deal will be in place soon and we are not heading towards nightmare meltdown. I can deal with struggling in games till xmas if I see progress in terms of ownership its living without hope that has crushed so many fans for so long.

Cheers for reply earlier and have to say when it comes to LFC I agree with the vast majority of your opinions. GREAT SITE!

Slightly less worried and wearied red

{EDITOR'S NOTE: No problem mate LFC will never fall mate}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 18:30:52

That's spot on about Mourinho. Can't imagine the reason to be the players or the fans. Doubt it would be the owners as we are all hopeful of new ownership. Any ideas?

Spriggo

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 18:21:23
Correct me if i am wrong. but didn't mouribho say in the daily mirror last week that he will never manage liverpool and he knows why but why say his reasons.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:57:37

InHisShadow was kind enough to share his opinion at 02 Sep 2010 17:21:49 in response to an "Editor's Note":

"{Editor's Note: …. I am not sure how you think that Chelsea have pumped cash in to the club to get them through the next few years - they have a small squad with some key personnel who will need replacing over the next couple of years.}

Erm. Wrong! take it from somebody who's something about this. ."

I don't really understand the sentence and what you mean, but it seems irrelevant.

"point 1) Yes lamps and drog etc will need to be replaced soon enough! But they will easily be able to do so with the new financial constraints, far better than us as there's far less positions needing an overhaul with squad players who all would be first teamers at any other club"

To put this in context, nine of the nineteen players named as the Chelsea squad yesterday will be 30 or older before the January transfer window opens.

"Point 2) Roman unlike most of you think, is not an idiot wasting his money he had a clear full-proof plan based around these new rules (just like man citys new owner does but with less time) He pumped money into the team when he did to put them as potential premiership league winners and champions league winners every year(notice how now they are there or thereabouts each each the money aint as lavishly spent)"

Nobody has suggested Mr Abramovich is an idiot – they are your words. The last time Chelsea spent any significant amount of money was years before these rules were known or had been ratified.

"When this new rule takes place money will be added to the pot each year from one (whats it now? 30mil for league and about the same again for CL with the price for both increasing every single year) or from both competitions won that's an extra 30 or 60mil a year. . which will quickly unbalance the premiership (strangely enough what the rule was SUPPOSED to stop from happening)"

You are correct that winning the league and the Champions League will bring financial rewards. Chelsea might be the current league champions but you need to go back three years earlier to find last time they one it. You may not be aware but Chelsea has never one the Champions League. You may also wish to look at the end of the year figures for Chelsea – they have not turned a profit for many, many years.

"Point 3) Chelsea have spent far FAR more than any other team in the premiership very possible the world within their youth set up as they scoured the world the the biggest of future lights. . they so many future stars there its unbelievable(football footballs next star or whatever that program was. it was just Chelsea marketing).
Chelsea's youth team will carry them over for years to come"

I have no idea about which team has spent the most on youth development over the years but I would have thought that building upon the youth set-up was something to be encouraged – and it is something that all teams can do.

"Point 4) Roman owns far more clubs than Chelsea these clubs will work as the training grounds for Chelsea's stars of the future with all the brightest of talents from Russia, Brazil, Holland and Greece for strangely low transfer fee's. . "

Please could you provide a list of all of these clubs. Are you suggesting that he has done something untoward?

"It is because of this that EVERY football fan should all cross there fingers that Liverpool come in quick with a sugar daddy (anything less and there aint the time to build it all youth of the future etc) and also that arsenal start producing before it quickly becomes a 3 horse race every year between city, man utd and Chelsea decided on who drops 2 points that season on a draw against one of the other 17 minors. . ."

I guess that sums it up: "EVERY football fan should all cross there fingers that Liverpool come in quick with a sugar daddy".

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:52:10

Ive been reading this site the last few weeks and im getting more depressed every time. some of the moaning about players is plane stupid weve played 3 games and some fans are allready giving up onthe players. youve got to give them and roy a chance roy is working under the same conditions as rafa. and don't forget im a big rafa fan who doesn't think he should have gone.some of the rubbish about rafa on here the last few weeks has been a dissgrace not giving the bloke any credit is outof order and wrong .i thought liverpool fans had some knowledge of football. soul man .

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:51:46
ED Help,

What is your opinion on takeover will it happen pre October or will the mess rumble on?
What is the mood from within the club do they know some good news is coming or are they biting their nails and just hoping for the best?

Very worried and wearied red

{EDITOR'S NOTE: The take over will be complete very soon with money avilable for the january window}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:35:58

At 02 Sep 2010 15:08:23 Unsigned continued the discussion regarding the nations of origin of any potential new owners and whether match rigging should be a concern.

"SORRY I WAS GENUINELY TRYING FOR A DEBATE. I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC SITE AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE AND CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO SCAREMONGER. JUST INFORMING OF SPORTING ISSUES SURROUNDING SHARJAH (i wasn't even linking this really with any owners but the sporting culture in Sharjah. Also betting syndicates tend to be based in India and the Far East.)"

Ok - I can give you my two cents. Generally I think the major European leagues will be clear of major match rigging issues, although I am sure that may not be true in other areas. Closer to home, many will remember an issue with the floodlights going off at (I think) Charlton a few years ago, and a number of accusations made in respect of a South Africa goalkeeper playing in England.

I also have personal knowledge of a much more minor infraction that players at a certain club took to conducting regularly at one time - but this was nothing that would have impacted the outcome of a game and has long since stopped (as far as I am aware).

The FA has introduced rules to try and filter out any owners who may not be "fit and proper" - but it is unclear how effective these rules are and if, for instance, they would have stopped the Thaksin Shinawatra taking over at Manchester City or a whole host of folks at Portsmouth, or indeed will they stop a future buyer of Liverpool who may be unfit. Certainly Hicks & Gillett or the Glazer family would not have had any problems being deemed to be acceptable - regardless of what both sets of fans think.

I think you are worrying unnecessarily and I am sure everything will be fine. It may just be worth £10 on Liverpool to win their next game 7-3 (with all of the goals coming in the last 10 minutes).

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:22:06
@02 Sep 2010 14:13:27 "Liverpool Rumours
Ed? Whats all this stuff about Mourinho coming in January?? {ed's note - the same as it has been every time the club has been linked with Jose, in my opinion, wishful thinking.}"

I've heard he's due the day after Messi and Aguero

RED LENIN
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02 Sep 2010 17:21:49
02 Sep 2010 11:23:31

I found out about a week ago, but felt I shouldn't post then due everyone being so eager for transfers.

Well, if we don't get new owners soon we're screwed!
New UEFA rules will come in place next season, they state that clubs can only spend what they earn + 15m from the owners each season. This is until 2015, when that will be decreased to 10m until 2018.

So, teams like Barcelona, Madrid and United etc. will be fine as there incomes are huge.

This is also ok for the likes of City and Chelsea, as they've already pumped cash into the club, to get them through that period.

This is why we desperately need new owners!

RR

{Editor's Note: You need to go and read the new rules that are coming in to force and perhaps read up a little on the finances of clubs such as Real Madrid and Barcelona. Additionally, I am not sure how you think that Chelsea have pumped cash in to the club to get them through the next few years - they have a small squad with some key personnel who will need replacing over the next couple of years.}

Erm. Wrong! take it from somebody who's something about this. .
point 1) Yes lamps and drog etc will need to be replaced soon enough!
But they will easily be able to do so with the new financial constraints, far better than us as there's far less positions needing an overhaul with squad players who all would be first teamers at any other club

Point 2) Roman unlike most of you think, is not an idiot wasting his money he had a clear full-proof plan based around these new rules (just like man citys new owner does but with less time)
He pumped money into the team when he did to put them as potential premiership league winners and champions league winners every year(notice how now they are there or thereabouts each each the money aint as lavishly spent)
When this new rule takes place money will be added to the pot each year from one (whats it now? 30mil for league and about the same again for CL with the price for both increasing every single year) or from both competitions won that's an extra 30 or 60mil a year. . which will quickly unbalance the premiership (strangely enough what the rule was SUPPOSED to stop from happening)

Point 3) Chelsea have spent far FAR more than any other team in the premiership very possible the world within their youth set up as they scoured the world the the biggest of future lights. . they so many future stars there its unbelievable(football footballs next star or whatever that program was. it was just Chelsea marketing).
Chelsea's youth team will carry them over for years to come

Point 4) Roman owns far more clubs than Chelsea these clubs will work as the training grounds for Chelsea's stars of the future with all the brightest of talents from Russia, Brazil, Holland and Greece for strangely low transfer fee's. .

It is because of this that EVERY football fan should all cross there fingers that Liverpool come in quick with a sugar daddy (anything less and there aint the time to build it all youth of the future etc) and also that arsenal start producing before it quickly becomes a 3 horse race every year between city, man utd and Chelsea decided on who drops 2 points that season on a draw against one of the other 17 minors. . .

InHisShadow

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:14:10
Liam O'Neill said at 02 Sep 2010 16:01:25:

"Sharkey - In no way has Jovanovic shown craft. He is never going to be a player. He looks clueless. I had to put that in. Hodgeson had seen enough of him after 50 odd mins against West Brom. He's s* t."

I have no idea why you addressed this to me. As an aside, I agree taht he is not a good buy. Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:10:25
Who is the apparent Journo who wrote this as the ben smiths / rory smiths etc have no idea about it I have both on twitter and they have not heard a peep . . plz if you are going to stay stuff like this make it plausable or show sources

/ Lubeh

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:07:43
Let me clear a few things up here from what I've read recently:
1. Loans cannot be made now. We can loan players out to Football League sides, but that's it. So if we are to fill up our remaining 4 spaces they will have to be freebies.
2. Mourinho? Seriously? I genuinely thought this was a joke. The guy's just taken over Real Madrid, has a bucket load to spend and is down as the greatest manager in the world. Yes, the guy's a Liverpool fan, but no that doesn't mean he will be joining. He is at Madrid to WIN LA LIGA! He cannot do that in half a season. What's he always said? He wants to win The EPL (done), Serie A (done) and La Liga, the first manager to win all 3 major titles. So he will win La Liga, win the European Cup and then we can start dreaming of "The Special One".
I fully believe he will come. I reckon in 4 seasons time Roy would've hopefully steadied the ship and will be regarded as one of the greats (or maybe a huge flop) and Mourinho would've secured his success in Madrid. He will join his club and turn us dominant with some good owners and then will turn his attention to the Portugal national team, another thing he's said he wants to do.
3. We are still in the hunt for a striker. Now this sounds daft, but I have heard a rumour that Ilan has been targetted. He was released by West Ham, despite playing a huge part in steering them safely from relegation and has yet to be picked up. We need cover for Fernando, with N'Gog the only out-and-out striker we have. Of course, Kuyt, Jovanovic and Babel can all play there, but really it's only Babel considered a striker (thank god). Ilan will just add a bit of depth and can get a few goals.

I'd also like to say watch out for Raul Meireles. He's a quality player and is a brilliant replacement for Mascherano, he can tackle, pick out a good pass and is good going forward, like Alonso but better going forward.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 17:06:39
Taye Taiwo to sign a pre-contract agreement with Liverpool in January.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:50:46
Itv 3 or 4 have too i think pal.

goose1977

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:47:30
This Woy fella is cr@p! What's he playing at? He's had long enough! He didn't sign any £30 million strikers, he has turfed the yanks out of the club, he hasn't been seen in Stanley park with a wheelbarrow and why haven't we won the title yet? Bring back what's his name! !

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:45:58
Just returned from a few days away. Hoping to read about are new striker. Sadly this is not the case and has not been for the last three transfer windows. I dislike Hicks and Gillett like every tru red but RH has to take responsibility. We have known since the beginning of June we need a striker but nothing done. To try and use Lucas and Babel on the last day is just poor management. What effect will that on them now knowing RH does not rate them.
The squad that finished under Rafa is better than the 25 we have named sorry 21 we do not have enough too busy letting them go on loan.
On a seperate issue people to loose jobs at RBS as a cost cutting exercise. I wander how much of a £237 million input could have saved a few.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:34:13
All gerrard and torres got told was your both under contract. . we're not selling you! anyway one was s* t last year and the other was injured so they would not have got top money for them.i do support liverpool and i love both players.maybe there are loyal players in the prem and liverpool might have 2 of them . . . . good on them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:19:05
Hi i can't make it to carras testamonial on sat due to a family commitment does any one no if its on tv?

I believe if you have sky or virgin the LFC tv channel will show the full 90 minutes at 7pm on Sat!

LFC420

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:13:06
Ed

Its not about Torres getting match fit is it?! Its about him getting to a level of fitness as he had no pre season work. There are 2 games a week and with post match recovery days and pre match prep your level of general fitness drops. Surely you know that?! That's why Hodgeson wanted him at Melwood.

Liam O'Neill {ed's note - I am sorry but I don't believe that utter rubbish that managers spout about players getting tired. If they are getting tired then the training they are doing is wrong.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:12:22

LFC channel 434 has an open slot for the Cara t/ m. Pretty sure it will be shown live

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:11:21
Gaffer
blair mayne just to let you ross an sharkey have a thing so you could have a three way on your hands !sharkey you fox!
ynwa

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 16:01:25
Sharkey

In no way has Jovanovic shown craft. He is never going to be a player. He looks clueless. I had to put that in. Hodgeson had seen enough of him after 50 odd mins against West Brom. He's s* t.

Liam O'Neill

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:53:43
Do you know what I'm not even arsed about takeovers, f***in owners or player debates anymore coz you could go on for yonks about it as we all are. I just want to see us play some f***ing decent footy. Footy that's worth paying for.

Spriggo

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:43:17

02 Sep 2010 06:24:22
Anyone else think that Blair Mayne & Sharkey have a little love thing going on. You two talk crap & just repeat what's reported in the media.
Takeover will happen, but when nobody knows. Everything is cloak & dagger stuff so getting any viable source is highly unlikely.
STOP your bitching & get a woman you homo's!

Moosehead79

And the Green eyed Monster raises it's MOOSEHEAD!

Are you feeling left out Moosehead it sounds like YOU need a woman or man what ever tickles you fancy my sweet xxxxxxxx

Blair (straight) Mayne YNWA

PS. Sharkey have you had any sleep?

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:36:46
Hi i can't make it to carras testamonial on sat due to a family commitment does any one no if its on tv?

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:20:55
The 4 additional spaces could also be filled by potential loan signings.

Surely no more loan signings can be made or am i wrong! !

I might be wrong but i believe that we can loan anybody we want as long as the paper work was submitted before the transfer deadline, so it's pretty unlikely!

YNWA

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:16:37
GERRARD AN EL NINO MUST HAVE BEEN TOLD SUMMIT GOOD TO STAY

Yes, it must have been something like, ''You'er at the best club in the world that most people would give their right arm to be at, so be proud of being a Liverpool player and show your fans the respect they deserve, if you want to leave, then go because nobody is bigger than LIVERPOOL FC'' or something like that!

YNWA

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:08:23
02 Sep 2010 14:01:07
Unsigned warned us at 02 Sep 2010 13:53:23:

"After the recent alleged 'spot ' betting and match fixing scandal involving Pakistani cricketers and officials, do any Liverpool fans worry that if the club is taken over by new owners from India, China or the Far East, that because of the illegal and legal betting markets in Asia (often organised and run by the mafia) and the interest in the EPL, the club could be 'pulled' into something very underhand and illegal that could / will bring the club into massive disrepute (knowingly or unknowingly).
With some of the posts today about ownership interest from Sharjah - it is necessary to point out that many of alleged match fixing scandals that have affected cricket over recent decades have centred around one day international tournaments in Sharjah involving the Pakistan, India, Australia, England, South Africa, Sri Lanka and the West Indies cricket teams. Players have over the past years been offered cash provide 'information' or 'play badly' and 'get out' for certain scores by betting syndicates.
As we have seen in recent news events I believe Liverpool football club should take great care on the ownership issue. BE WARNED THIS COULD HAPPEN WITH LFC!"

I think you are worrying for no reason here. If it is a debate that you are after I am sure others will be pleased to assist – if it is as I suspect scaremongering then the argument "As we have seen in recent news events I believe Liverpool football club should take great care on the ownership issue. BE WARNED THIS COULD HAPPEN WITH LFC!" goes absolutely nowhere.

Sharkey.

SORRY I WAS GENUINELY TRYING FOR A DEBATE. I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC SITE AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE AND CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO SCAREMONGER. JUST INFORMING OF SPORTING ISSUES SURROUNDING SHARJAH (i wasn't even linking this really with any owners but the sporting culture in Sharjah. Also betting syndicates tend to be based in India and the Far East.)
Happy to be ticked off though if you feel this is not the case.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:01:40
Why is it that david moores gets away scot free it was him after all that sold the club to laurel an hardy because he wanted to keep his seat on the board s morgan at wolves wanted to buy club for years and he wanted moores out altogether no life long membership crap he wanted a new start witout moores inference anyway that's the past moores is a fan an loves club just like him to come out now an say yanks out anyone agree whats goin on with the takeover someone must hav some positive news surly?? ?? ?? ?? ?

 

 

02 Sep 2010 15:00:01
GAFFER
hey ed!
i thought roy was askin del bosque to not select an 60% fit player in torres an its not like there goin to have trouble winning morrow {ed's note - surely Torres needs games to get match fit?}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:49:23
HEY ED! DID TORRES GET CALL UP FOR SPAIN? NOIN OUR LUCK HE WILL END UP INJURED

{Editor's Note: Yes and I hope not.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:41:21
Sharkey

You say you are disappointed with the incoming players. I am not. I think the squad has been improved. We now have a highly rated Portugese midfielder who was excellent in the world cup, a rugged Danish midfielder who is showing steel, a promising young Scottish defender, a versatile Serbian forward/ winger showing to date that he has strength and craft, hopefully reliable back-up for Pepe and a tested, entertaining and creative English international. Also, we have a spread of highly promising youngsters who I hope will feature more this season. Finally our new manager worked wonders with his previous club who played attractive tidy football and got to a European final.

Sure, I will miss Yossi as last season he was great. Masch will be missed also but frankly he had to go. Both sales delivered urgently required funds.

I am hopeful.

Rormac

 

 

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:39:40
Regarding Loan signings at 02 Sep 2010 14:25:58:

"The 4 additional spaces could also be filled by potential loan signings.

Surely no more loan signings can be made or am i wrong! !

I understand loan signings are still permitted between English clubs. I believe there are certain restrictions (e.g. can not apply for work permits etc.) but I'm quite sure we could load an English player from an English league. . . . .

. . . . {ed's note - it did used to be allowed, but I have been unable to find any kind of mention of it in the new Premier League handbook. I believe that to mean that loans into EPL clubs are classed as transfers, unless I am just not looking in the right place. There is a loan window open in the English lower leagues, but it doesn't seem to apply to the Premier League mate.}"

Both Dave and Ed are correct - in that loan signings may be made - but not between two Premier League clubs. However, there is an exception rule that allows Premier League clubs to request approval for loan signings in "exceptional circumstances" and this is there to, effective, cover goalkeepers. It has been used in the past for goalkeepers on a number of occasions and (without checking) I recall the most recent was controversial as it involved a request from a club (perhaps Manchester City) which had cover but not experienced cover. Clubs can still of course take players who are not contracted to another club and add them to the list.

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:25:58

The 4 additional spaces could also be filled by potential loan signings.

Surely no more loan signings can be made or am i wrong! !

I understand loan signings are still permitted between English clubs. I believe there are certain restrictions (e.g. can not apply for work permits etc.) but I'm quite sure we could load an English player from an English league.
If I'm not mistaken, ED has previously confirmed the loan market is still open.

ED - Could you clarify this please? (I'm sure this was true in previous seasons - not sure whether rules have changed though.)

Cheers
Dave {ed's note - it did used to be allowed, but I have been unable to find any kind of mention of it in the new Premier League handbook. I believe that to mean that loans into EPL clubs are classed as transfers, unless I am just not looking in the right place. There is a loan window open in the English lower leagues, but it doesn't seem to apply to the Premier League mate.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:21:41

To the person that wrote this. . .

02 Sep 2010 13:14:12
I am a lifelong Liverpool fan and began going to Anfield in 1954 (11 years old) when my father took me to the first match in the division 2 dark days. I also remember attending the Eddie Spicer benefit match in 1955. I don't usually contribute to these forums as some of the rumours are so ridiculous but I feel i must comment on the takeover rumour by the Sharjah ruling family. Information on Sharjah, the ruling family is the third richest in the Emirates, Sharjah has oil reserves of 1.5 billion barrels, the third largest in the Emirates and also has large natural gas reserves. It is also the most industrially developed in the Emirates with large numbers of companies operating (almost 2000) accounting for 47% of the Emirates industrial production. It has the advantage of ports on the Arabian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman and is strategically positioned for further development. I met the ruler Sheikh Dr. Sultan bin Mohammed Al Qassimi a few years ago (he has a doctorate from Exeter University UK) and know that he is an extremely intelligent person and would make an ideal chairman for LFC. I hope this takeover will go through, if it does I am sure Liverpool will prosper in the future. Dr. David

Well done very intresting read,
Nice to know there is some intellingent people on here as well as the spoons & spanners that just make things up.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:11:19
Sorry for bad english,

ED, why Portsmouth will deduct point?
lf liverpool can't sold before october.Is it liverpool will be given same penalty?
why? {ed's note - Portsmouth were deducted points for going into administration, Liverpool won't be deducted points unless the same happens. Not being sold in October is not necessarily going to result in the club going into administration.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:02:38

Yo ed! You know what happened to the 20-30m that they said would go to transfer kitty coming from the money from standard chartered? When do you think liverpool will br sold? Hopefully sooner rather than later, anyway ryt now we got a steady line up, the best captain and one of the best strikers! So cmon you reds! YNWA {ed's note - I don't know what has happened to the extra money we were supposed to have to spend. I am sure that some excuses about increased wages, signing on fees and contract pay offs to players that have left would be given by the club if asked. I think the club will be sold next month myself, the only way it would have been sold quickly was if there were just one bid.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 14:01:07
Unsigned warned us at 02 Sep 2010 13:53:23:

"After the recent alleged 'spot ' betting and match fixing scandal involving Pakistani cricketers and officials, do any Liverpool fans worry that if the club is taken over by new owners from India, China or the Far East, that because of the illegal and legal betting markets in Asia (often organised and run by the mafia) and the interest in the EPL, the club could be 'pulled' into something very underhand and illegal that could / will bring the club into massive disrepute (knowingly or unknowingly).
With some of the posts today about ownership interest from Sharjah - it is necessary to point out that many of alleged match fixing scandals that have affected cricket over recent decades have centred around one day international tournaments in Sharjah involving the Pakistan, India, Australia, England, South Africa, Sri Lanka and the West Indies cricket teams. Players have over the past years been offered cash provide 'information' or 'play badly' and 'get out' for certain scores by betting syndicates.
As we have seen in recent news events I believe Liverpool football club should take great care on the ownership issue. BE WARNED THIS COULD HAPPEN WITH LFC!"

I think you are worrying for no reason here. If it is a debate that you are after I am sure others will be pleased to assist – if it is as I suspect scaremongering then the argument "As we have seen in recent news events I believe Liverpool football club should take great care on the ownership issue. BE WARNED THIS COULD HAPPEN WITH LFC!" goes absolutely nowhere.

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:59:09

Lfc has not and will not be sold the yanks have now agreed a re financing deal with rbs sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:53:23
After the recent alleged 'spot ' betting and match fixing scandal involving Pakistani cricketers and officials, do any Liverpool fans worry that if the club is taken over by new owners from India, China or the Far East, that because of the illegal and legal betting markets in Asia (often organised and run by the mafia) and the interest in the EPL, the club could be 'pulled' into something very underhand and illegal that could / will bring the club into massive disrepute (knowingly or unknowingly).
With some of the posts today about ownership interest from Sharjah - it is necessary to point out that many of alleged match fixing scandals that have affected cricket over recent decades have centred around one day international tournaments in Sharjah involving the Pakistan, India, Australia, England, South Africa, Sri Lanka and the West Indies cricket teams. Players have over the past years been offered cash provide 'information' or 'play badly' and 'get out' for certain scores by betting syndicates.
As we have seen in recent news events I believe Liverpool football club should take great care on the ownership issue. BE WARNED THIS COULD HAPPEN WITH LFC!

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:40:49
At 02 Sep 2010 13:23:52 OldfieldLFC explained his rationale for posting an old article:

" jus thought ill let fellow reds know were we stand, i jus hoe we get rid of yanks get new trustworthy owners and head in the right direction we shud be going."

Part of the problem is that Liverpool fans are whipping themselves in to an orgasmic frenzy at every mention of a buyer. I therefore think that cutting and pasting old articles is not helping matters at all. I am sure that many of the fans are dissatisfied with the incumbent owners – but caveat emptor. Many of these fans would have carried Kenny Huang shoulder high to the gates of Anfield a month ago, but now realise the futility of his offer.

"Why is everyone misjudging Roy its too early too be critisising i mean MOURINHO why wud he want to leave Real?"

I don't know why Roy Hodgson is being judged so seemingly harshly. I would guess that it is due to no "superstar" (Aguero et al) arroved over the summer. This is rather unfair in my view – but I am disappointed with his purchases.

"And plus we must be goin in the right direction because something quite convincing must of been said to keep our most prized assets Gerrard and Torres"

I have no idea what was said to the players. Again, I am not a believer in player power – if a player needs to be placated by a series of promises, then everyone is being set up for failure and it strikes me the answer is to get rid of any disgruntled players and get some in who want to play the game.

"… why woul Roy leave a team that was running Smoothly and join a team that is losing the plot, …"

In simple terms Hodgson is at an age where he may not get another shot at managing one of the major club sides. I don't want to fall in to what a "big" club is or isn't, but the Liverpool manager's job is a great opportunity for him to prove his worth – if only to himself.

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:30:11
Why have chelsea only named 4 homegrown players?

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:29:30
Ok so you could be right and Wilson an Kelly could be boss. But if they are not?! Bit of a risk isn't it? Its a results game lads and with the squad we have we can't afford cheap goals. We have to stay as tight as we can especially away from home - which is a lot more hostile than home matches.

The Greek (as much as I like him for effort) I know isn't boss but he can handle taking a knock and knows tricks of forwards. do you really trust Kelly and Wilson at this stage of the game at center half? Is that not a bit unfair on those 2? {editor's note - I trust Kelly and Wilson far more than I do the Greek, he is far too slow to handle top class players.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:23:52
Sharkey it was mate :/ jus thought ill let fellow reds know were we stand, i jus hoe we get rid of yanks get new trustworthy owners and head in the right direction we shud be going. Why is everyone misjudging Roy its too early too be critisising i mean MOURINHO why wud he want to leave Real?
And plus we must be goin in the right direction because something quite convincing must of been said to keep our most prized assets Gerrard and Torres and plus as someone else said why woul Roy leave a team that was running Smoothly and join a team that is losing the plot, anyways that was Rafa's stupid tactics and he made players fell uncomfortable, no confidence i.e Rierra, yossi, Keane etc.

OldfieldLFC
In Roy We Trust.

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:21:13

Ed you have never been more right! I know the greek did better than expected last season. . but that's it! !
Wilson won the scotish Young player of the year last year in his first full season and even though Martin Kelly has only had a handfull of starts its a credit to the player that he looks so comfortable at such a young age. Give them more of a chance and watch them blossom!

Redian

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:16:00
My earlier post today - "We were once regarded. ." seems to have been touched upon in a number of unrelated postings since this morning.

The comments regarding Raf and Roy (stop the personal abuse of calling him Woy please, it's childish and undignified) suggest there is still a very strong feeling for Rafa. I accept this as it allowed many fans to continue to believe we are still a big club (please see my earlier post for the reference as to what and why this is not the case) and that we need in many fans' eyes a 'better' or 'bigger' (?) manager.

The other comments about ex-players. I don't subscribe to the comments made by the Editor about people not being treated well as ex-employees. Remember, no matter how much blood, sweat and tears they shed, no matter how they bleed Liverpool, they were still (in the main) handsomely rewarded for their efforts. I remove wives of ex-managers from that by the way.

I mentioned about Germany earlier and in this case there is a parallel to this; in the Bundesliga many of the clubs are run by ex-players who are also on the boards and give a cachet and stability to those clubs. This is not the case here. Most ex-players feel like pariahs on matchdays, but then consider their future roles after playing. From what I can see, the majority of media pundits across all the channels are either Liverpool old boys (Hansen, Beglin, Lawrenson, Thompson, Collymore, Walsh and on and on . .) or from Arsenal and Man Utd. Clubs don't appreciate being slagged off (however needed it sometimes is) by ex-players. I have not a jot of sympathy for people when they leave a job. They were paid for their services - the club owes them nothing more. The fans, now the fans may make then special in their eyes and want them to be involved, but until we adopt German practices it won't happen.

Finally, I don't want to bore, but read what I said earlier about the state we are in and then realise that this season is no different from five of the past six seasons. We are nothing more than a top six team and success for us is finishing fourth. Not too much talk about winning the PL this year is there? Then again, as was suggested by the Editor and others over the past few days, if we have a solid defence then we can build from the back. True, but in my book that's only getting us nearer fourth place. {ed's note - I think, unfortunately, that a top four place is about all we can aim at these days.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:15:31

Ed I don't think you will be seeing Wilson play center half or Kelly for that matter, this year in the Prem. Europa League games and Laegue Cup games they will be thrown into. Remember Carragher playing right and left back for years until Benitez came on the scene? If a center half f*cks up its in the net. I don't see them being thrown right in like unless they impress a lot.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:12:42

Seems to be an option playing Johnson right wing. . .but he is probably only good going forward whilst he can see all of the play ahead of him. Playing side on or with your back to play is more difficult and requires different awareness skills. Kuyt is strong enough for this position as he has proved and provides cover 'doubling up' for Johnson.

Spriggo

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:09:08
Ed why would Wilson and Kelly be ahead of the Greek at center half when they haven't played there in the Prem?! Its a position you need to have understanding and experience for.

Spriggo {ed's note - how are players supposed to get experience if they don't play? Wilson and Kelly should be ahead of him because they are both better players.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:06:34

What do people think of playing Martin Kelly right back and pushing Johnson up onto the wing?
. . I think in the easier home games this would give us better width as Johnson and Kelly can both get passed a full back and cross whilst they could cover each other at the back. They may begin to get a good understanding of each other and give Kelly the experience he needs to step up to regular first team football? . .

Redian

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 13:04:00
Don't think we've really got a problem at center half if Konchesky is solid. Carra and Agger would be my first choice as it offers a better natural balance and someone to bring the ball out on occasion. It would be nice to see the odd goal coming from them as well though, something we have lacked since Hyypia with headed goals from set pieces.

Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, The Greek and Kelly if needed surely means we ate covered there?

Spriggo {editor's note - surely Wilson and Kelly have to be ahead of Kyrgiakos?}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 12:50:20
People please give the current management team time to gel the squad and bring them around to a better, more expansive playing style, rather than the shackles that Rafa used to put on them. He did that as he realised we did not have a good enough team and if you don't concede, then your half way there. Rafa was given 5-6 years and acheived a European cup success which he did with an overperforming team. He won the competition too early for his own good.

The best things come to those who wait, or patience is a virtue. Take your pick.

YNWA

 

 

02 Sep 2010 12:46:08

But Nessie gets two tickets and they go together. I think it would do the reserves and kids good to have ex-players around

Nessie died 8 years ago? {ed's note - my bad I meant to say got, I meant to talk about it in the past tense as I was saying she can no longer get to go. I was thinking as I was typing it out how maybe you had a point, and that she might not have had to rely on Nessie and could have been given a couple of tickets by the club if there weren't so many ex-players going. But then I was talking myself round by saying it benefits the players. I am torn on the issue now and was just talking out loud, so to speak, as I am still undecided. But what I was trying to say is that it is good to have the ex-pros around the reserves to help guide them but maybe they shouldn't get such special treatment when it comes to going to first team matches. But then they did provide service for the club in the past and deserve to be rewarded. On the other hand they were well paid and that was enough reward. So, as you can see, I am undecided on the issue and do think that those people who have worked in low paid jobs for the club all their life deserve the tickets more than ex-pros who were highly paid for their services to the club. Am I making sense yet? I am not sure I am it is difficult to do so as the editing has a time limit on it, just to make sure someone hasn't got thrown offline or something in the middle of doing it and locked all the other editors out.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 12:41:01

A few points I'd like to make:

1. Hicks said Rafa (when still in charge) would have a sufficent amount of cash to spend this transfer window on new players; by the looks of it (signing on and agent fee's not included) we have raised more money than spent so another lie! can't say I'm surprised.

2. I think we will see more youth/ reserve players in the first team this year when injuries hit - 21 senior players isn't a huge squad (world cup squads that have a max 7 games over a month period struggle with 23 players).

3. In a way I'm sorry to see Insua go; last year he needed pulling out the first team when going through some poor form but with Aurellio injured and Dossena not good enough/ tranfered he didn't get that opportunity and therefore spiralled with loss of form and confidence.

4. Although I like the fact we have a number of players who can play in a number of positions a lot of them are "jacks of all trades rather than masters of 1"; I think we're going to struggle when a couple of wide players get injued this year for width and creativity.

5. I'd love to know what Woy said to Gerrard and torres to convince them to stay; especially after seeing what players have come in this year - probably only position IMO that has got any better is left back - although i'll wait until the end of the season to confirm this.

6. If we over performed in the league (others comments not mine) in 2008-2009; Woy's got one hell of a job to do to get us back in the top 4 this year.

Hoola

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02 Sep 2010 12:28:08

Morning fellow moaners

What are your thoughts on the current centre back positions now we have a left sided player. .

Now i know Carragher is getting on a bit, but the guy gives you more than just a posistion on the pitch. . He's a leader from the back and never stops balling and shouting when people are out of posstion. Something that Arsenal and Man City find hard to come by. then id play agger with him? ?

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 11:23:31

I found out about a week ago, but felt I shouldn't post then due everyone being so eager for transfers.

Well, if we don't get new owners soon we're screwed!
New UEFA rules will come in place next season, they state that clubs can only spend what they earn + 15m from the owners each season. This is until 2015, when that will be decreased to 10m until 2018.

So, teams like Barcelona, Madrid and United etc. will be fine as there incomes are huge.

This is also ok for the likes of City and Chelsea, as they've already pumped cash into the club, to get them through that period.

This is why we desperately need new owners!

RR

{Editor's Note: You need to go and read the new rules that are coming in to force and perhaps read up a little on the finances of clubs such as Real Madrid and Barcelona. Additionally, I am not sure how you think that Chelsea have pumped cash in to the club to get them through the next few years - they have a small squad with some key personnel who will need replacing over the next couple of years.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 11:11:09
So the transfer window has passed and all the tubes itk on this site are back talking s* te about the takeover, Wise up evryone for knowone has a clue whats going on

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 11:03:06

Can anyone explain Jay Spearing still being on our books? Or even Darby? Surely even the fans can see these 2 are not going to break through to the first team and are not really on the fringes now either. I think it would be better for them to go and find a career with another club now if possible. I think Kelly and Pacheco are possibles but looking at the reserves there isn't anyone else worth talking about.

Sorry to be harsh but I don't see why we are keeping these people any longer.

Also, just a question here, but there are a lot of old players hang around the club even getting free tickets and the like. Do they benefit us at all? David Johnstone was at the reserves match yesterday and I saw him throwing him arm around Spearing. . .now don't get me wrong, I don't really have a problem with that normally, but if he isn't employed by the club then doesn't it undermine the staff? Would other players look on that as some kind of favouritism?

Aldo does a job on the radio, fair enough, but to these ex players - what are they doing other than taking up free tickets? I know these men are legends but for me they just stop us moving forward.

Maybe our problem is our history.

Liam O'Neill {ed's note - I can't see the problem with ex-players, especially ones who know what it is like to win trophies, being around the current players. Ex-employees aren't treated all that well to be honest, a close family friend worked at Anfield all her working life and she gets no tickets from the club, despite decades of service. If it wasn't for the great man's wife, Nessie, I doubt she would even be able to go to the games, but Nessie gets two tickets and they go together. I think it would do the reserves and kids good to have ex-players around them, pointing out the mistakes they are making and helping them improve. I do wonder myself about Jay and Darby though, Jay wasn't given a chance to prove himself and it seems too late, Darby just doesn't look quite good enough - but he does have the right attitude to make up for it. Reminded me of Carra the way he picked himself up and got on with the match while on loan at Swindon after making a mistake which resulted in a goal during the play offs.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 11:02:58
Ive jus read in the paper the 25 man squad theres no pacheco an no martin kelly, please someone tell me this is a joke ! {ed's note - they don't need to be named in the 25 man squad due to their age mate, they can still play in the Premier League though.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:59:51
I believe the Kirdi bid to takeover Liverpool will be a total and complete disaster. Liverpool fans should really be careful about what they wish for. There are far more respectable and honourable people who are interested in buying Liverpool.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:55:58
In reply to the person who ended their post with this:

(And as a trivial quiz question. . When was the only time the anti liverpool media actually said one of these forwards wingers(from one of those 3 other teams) was not a forward but only a midfielder? ?

Answer: Ronaldo! . . why?. simple. . because it sounded far better saying a midfielder rather than a striker(or wing forward to be more precise) score 30+ goals in that season. .

Rant over. .)

First point where in my post did I say I was anti Rafa or call a 4-5-1 system crappy? I didn't. I actually posted the other day backing up the ed by saying I think we need wingers over a striker, and yes I know we need a striker as well but we can't afford both and if you're going to play 4-4-2 you need pace on the wings. With the current squad I think a 4-5-1 is a better system use, in my opinion.

Second point you're post actually backs up my original post because as you quite rightly said the 4-5-1 moves to a 4-3-3 when attacking and moves back to a defensive position. This works better with pace, look at all the teams you mention United, Chelsea and Barca, they had and have all got pace on the wings, which is what meant when I said that I think Liverpool lacks pace.

Third point, I don't buy into the fact we couldn't find a fast winger, that's what a scouting dept. is for, to find several players that fit the bill and you take it from there. I'm well aware of other teams tactics particularly Chelsea about buying all our transfer targets that's why everything is done quietly at Liverpool now, but there must be other wingers out there as other teams were and are signing them. I know Rafa did his job with two arms behind his back because he was fighting everyone, other managers, clubs, media and his employers, it's a disgrace. I also think he would have won the league if he had been backed all the way but he wasn't. I'd have loved him to win the league just spite all the anti Liverpool and anti Rafa people out there, but it wasn't to be. The reason for my original post is not because I am anti Rafa, it's because I'm pro Liverpool. Rafa wasn't going to get any more money off the owners there not interested, and now he has left and I wish him luck, what he has done for Liverpool's youth system is great, there a top quality coach there now, the same one that taught the likes of messi and fabragas. He actually overhauled it twice to try and improve it, which it has in my opinion.

I still stand by what I say I don't think Gerrard would want to play for Rafa again, I think he was frustrated by him and I think if Torres leaves he will go back to Spain and Jamie will be at Liverpool as long as he can. If we had targets in mind that would improve our width and pace problem and generally make the team stronger than I would sell Lucas and Kuyt but if we could afford to get them and keep Lucas and Kuyt then I would keep them there certainly good enough for a 25 man squad. Unfortunately we can't afford to buy allot of players and we do have to work with what we have which is why I believe Rafa was forced out in the end and why Roy is here, he's more of a man manager than Rafa. Weather you liked Rafa or not or whether you wanted Roy or not, it makes no difference, we have to support Liverpool because as you said everyone is against Liverpool so there's only us fans left, but that's the way I like it, underdogs have to fight and that's what were going to do and until the day Roy leaves Liverpool I'm always going to wish him well because that's what Liverpool need, and isn't that the main point of being a fan.

Rant Over!
Bob Loblaw

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:27:05
Wel ed

think its bloody reduclious wats happening at the club at the min everything is been done wrong down to the tea ladies heard carra asked for a cup of tea the other day and got coffee.

3 seasons gone and all everyone in the club have went on about is we need a striker and we still don't have one should have been top of the list before defenders are midfield players.

now the silly season is over its all down to the take over do we even know who is in the running.

your views ed
the face man {ed's note - I think Roy is doing things the right way, sort out things from the back, then work on the forwards later. If the midfield create more chances then any half decent forward will get goals. As for the takeover, very few people know anything, and that is the way it should be. It is about time the club stopped washing its dirty laundry in public.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:21:35
There is a new generation coming through and hopefully roy will use them in darby , kelly and spearing. don't anybody rate these guys?

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:18:33
In my opinion Milan Jovanovic, Raul Mereiles, Joe cole and Paul Konchesky have bettered the squad as opossed to Javier Mascherano(who didn't want to stay), Alberto Aquilani (who was injured more often than not and didn't really settle) , Emilliano Insua(who i reckon will come back a better player but did give the ball away too often but has the promise to be a really good player), Albert Riera (who struggled to show his early form at liverpool and also didn't want to be here) and lastly Yossi Benayoun (who is the only player i will miss but wasnt really a first team regular last season and i would say Joe will bring more to the team) anyone agree or disagree and your thots also ED? {ed's note - I feel the squad has been improved, Insua needs to learn to eat properly, he carried far too much weight and has been repeatedly warned about it. Kind of reminds me of something 'Arry Redknapp said about Dos Santos would be great if he could pass a club as well as he does the ball, but change club for MacDonalds and Dos Santos for Insua...}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:07:51

IT'S TO LATE ED'S GONE MAD MOURINHO BY JANUARY!

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02 Sep 2010 10:05:53

SADLY I AGREE WITH THE CHAP WHO SAYS OUR SUCCESS IS HISTORY. . .

LFC will always be a huge club and in terms of global support we will always be one of the elite. However our problems are too many and varied for us to bridge the gap and return to our perch and dominate domestically and in europe. Since the last days of King Kenny we have been in decline making poor management decisions on pitch and in terms of business.
We have bought poor players missed opportunities when opposition were weak never dealt with the stadium issue and we are at least a decade behind the curve.
Now out of europe we will struggle to get back to that level.

The blame has to lay with Moores and Parry, the Yanks will now kill the club, but also hope history will look at the compounded effect of HOULLIER AND BENITEZ whoose poor poor decisions took nearly men to the brink of disaster.

Its sad that 2 golden generations went to waste

Owen Stevie Mac Fowler
Carra and Gerrard

I don't see any magic wand saving us. .

Sad but true 20 years of missing the boat

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 10:00:28
Liverpool definitly need a winger or a striker or even both if babel* leaves, this should raise 10million plus the 12MILLION BUDJET WE HAVE is 22 for a winger, a.sanchez would be good for 18million, 4million left for a striker hmm, i kno some of you like lucas* but he could probably raise 10million.so which striker
could we buy for 14million, c.cole or andy carroll, maybe not ideal but they both hold the ball to bring pressure of torres, plus you people say "new heskey" like its a bad thing, but he was great for us and he still does his job for england(holding the ball).Or if the money is here from a new owner (ed seems confident of an october takeover) we should definitly go for suarez. he holds the ball and has skill and pace and a great scoring record.what do you guys think, . ed?

*both babel and lucas are great, but are'nt liverpool quality, they should both return to their home country to start a fresh and further their career.

ROUND ROBBEN {editor's note - I would prefer Suarez to Caroll or Cole. Cole doesn't put enough effort in on the training pitches or during a match. Caroll is just a big lump with no movement or pace or skill, plus he is a nasty piece of work that spends half his time fighting with team mates. Caroll would be of little use to us, unless we play with out and out wingers crossing the ball at every opportunity.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:53:48
Happy birthday shankly 97 today!

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:47:40

ED but we don't have new owners to invest do we?

{Editor's Note: Not at this time, but at some point there will be. It still seems unlikely that anyone will come in with £200M to spend in the January transfer window to allow the new manager (Mourinho) to replace the entire squad.}

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02 Sep 2010 09:40:09

REDMAN and Ed discussed at 02 Sep 2010 09:18:56:

"ED I to disagree with investing heavily and it has not worked for M* CITY yet!But thanks to the investment it had pushed them to be able to challenge on all fronts for years to come.We are falling way behind other teams and need to stop the rot, with this bare faced asset-stripping.

REDMAN {ed's note - if the new owners invest in a stadium and reduce the debt, we would have more money to spend anyway.}"

There is a big difference between being successful and challenging for success of course. Robinho is an excellent example of the problems of not gaining the minimum success of being in the Champion's League. At 26 or so he is a player in his prime - if he had stayed on at Manchester City this would have been his third consecutive season without Champions League football. I cannot see Manchester City making it through this season without major issues coming up; I don't know what but I fear that there are problems coming.

The Ed is correct of course that a new stadium with the sponsorship it will attract is all part of a generally sunny upward spiralling future. I would warn against the fans getting too upset if new owners come in and have the raise funds against the club to to build a new stadium - all but the wealthiest of buyers would likely need to do that.

Sharkey.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:39:11

"We were once regarded as a very big club . ."

Truth is, we are not that big anymore.
The reality is that we are an average size club with a very big history.
Trouble here, is that we are derided by Man. Utd and Chelsea fans for continually banging on about our history when we have done very little to be proud of in terms of the League in the past 20 years.

I accept this.
We have become a 'nearly' club with our hopes raised and dashed each year.
At the end of the previous season and start of the new one, we bang on about how this will be our year; we shout about new signings and welcome the false new dawns.
By Christmas we have faded and start the inquest.

Chelsea fans say we bleat about how big we are in Europe - but they point to our weak showings at home.
Man. U fans deride us for talking about our history - forgetting in the meantime that history can be from one second to one millenium, so their history is as throwaway as ours and the rest of the clubs in the world!

But they have a point about what we say about Liverpool FC.
In 2008 I was in Cologne and a German radio station (I think it was RDZ or RTL?) had a programme in the evening about European football.
Fans, players, journalists and leading business figures were asked about the 'cream of European football clubs' and the greatest players of the past 50 years. The players included Cruijf and that pleased me, but the clubs surprised me.

The four tops clubs mentioned as the elite by this disparate band of people were (in no order) Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, AC Milan and Liverpool. There was a 'secondary' bunch of great clubs that included Ajax, Barcelona and Juventus. No mention of Man Utd nor Chelsea. Bayern I accept, as a German audience for a German radio station, but they have been supreme in many areas; Real Madrid and AC Milan are taken as given and we as five times Euro champions was pleasing to hear. What was more encouraging to hear was the aura that surrounds Liverpool FC and they way players and managers mentioned us in the same breath as AC Milan and Real Madrid.

In reality we have faded from the core teams that will win their own domestic leagues and into the band of 'once great but no more' clubs in the second string. I know many of you will rush to moan and bitch about these words, but consider this before you do.

We are no longer considered as likely to win the Premier League.
We have not done so since its inception.
We are fighting (for a number of past seasons) to finish in the top four!

We ARE living on a reputation that is staggering and rich in rewards, but in the present we are also rans before we start.
Chelsea's riches of the Russian people (that's where the cash came from!) and the vulgar excesses of the blue half of Manchester have left us in the second tier.
We will NOT compete on financial terms even with wealthy new owners. We are living in even more of a dream world if we think this will change.

Our past history is wonderful and unlikely to be beaten for a number of years. Manchester United are creeping up (and that is the word) to rival us domestically and in Europe, but are still not there after 28 years.
Chelsea can't even win one European Cup after £700,000,000 spent and five managers.
Arsenal are in the same position with a manager whose pragmatism outweighs his worth.
Manchester City are new boys in every sense of the word and likely to implode before Christmas.

With all that, we are still a club with a magnificent history, tradition and potential - but we need to enjoy our history because the future is not as rosy we hope for.
I have supported the club for donkey years; I love it, worship the name and it fills me with pride. But I am not so stupid as to think we are going to regain a place in the top two this year, next year or possibly the year after. Drink in the history and as you're doing so, ask, "why didn't we buy or loan a striker of any calibre in the past three weeks?" If we had, maybe we would be a little closer to creeping nearer the door of the elite clubs in the UK.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:39:01
Unlike a few people who have been on complaining about the size and quality of the squad i actually think that we have now got a squad that given half a dozen games to get used to roys way of thinking and playing looks as good as it has for a while and i think can achieve top 4 and a cup(not sure which one tho) any thots guys and ED?

{Editor's Note: With gradual improvements to the playing staff you will always see a reduction in squad numbers over time but I am not convinced that this summer has seen much improvement - in some cases it seems to be mediocre out and mediocre in - but time will tell. Top four is of course achievable but it will be hard work - but it will be hard work for everyone else as well. Cups are always a bit of a lottery and prediction is pretty much pointless - so get behind the the team and see what they can achieve.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:28:28

WHAT DO YOU THINK ED? IS THIS HOW YOU WOULD SHAPE THE TEAM? {ed's note - Cole has been promised a central role, that was one of the reasons he chose to join us. So I can't see Roy playing him mostly on the left.}
HOW WOULD YOU ACOMMODATE HIM AND GERRARD THEN ED? {ed's note - I would either drop Gerrard into midfield (and give him a kick up the backside and remind him he has to run back to help defend as well as run forward as he seems to have forgotten that of late) or play him to the right where he can use his quality crosses to best advantage.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:19:17

How come everytime Torres is linked with a story ie new owners, need more players etc people say he will leave unless we get new owners, sign world class players etc. He has NEVER said he will leave in fact he said he loves Liverpool and all he wants to do is play for Liverpool and NO ONE ELSE! !
As for the take over no one on here knows anything about it and the papers don't either everything they have said sofar has been wrong so why listen to them? the only people who really know are the ones that are involved! !

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:18:56

ED I to disagree with investing heavily and it has not worked for M* CITY yet!But thanks to the investment it had pushed them to be able to challenge on all fronts for years to come.We are falling way behind other teams and need to stop the rot, with this bare faced asset-stripping.

REDMAN {ed's note - if the new owners invest in a stadium and reduce the debt, we would have more money to spend anyway.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:16:52
1ST AND 2ND TEAMS NOW WINDOW IS CLOSED
Pepe Reina
G Johnson M Skrtel D Agger P Konchesky

Raul Meireles C Poulsen

Maxi Rodriguez S Gerrard J Cole

Fernando Torres


Brad Jones
S Darby J Carragher D Wilson M Kelly

Jonjo Shelvey Jay Spearing

Dirk Kuyt Ryan Babel Milan Jovanovic

David Ngog


BACK UPS: Fabio Aurelio, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Lucas Leiva, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston and David Amoo

WHAT DO YOU THINK ED? IS THIS HOW YOU WOULD SHAPE THE TEAM? {ed's note - Cole has been promised a central role, that was one of the reasons he chose to join us. So I can't see Roy playing him mostly on the left.}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:15:34
I don't think we'll be taken over for a while yet. From a business point of view. . The yanks are wanting £4-500m for the club, then they've got £287m to pay off the debt and build a new stadium! !
Who in their right mind is going to invest over £1bn in a business where they will NEVER make a return!
It's been 6 years since abramovic took over at Chelsea and he paid less than half for them than what the yanks are wanting. . with less debt. And look at them, they're in debt with him now and struggling to sustain itself as a club on it's own!
The only way for a takeover to be successful is if the fans buy the club. this way it's not about profit, just love for the club!

Steve {editor's note - I believe that most of the debt is owed to the current owners and is included in the price. So most of it will be gone without paying anything on top of the sale price.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 09:08:28

Just a question!
Does anybody know if the 25 man squad for this season can be changed if players are bought in January?
Just wondering if they can't be is that why all the teams are naming light squads, in case they Want to add players inJanuary

{Editor's Note: They can be rejigged in January.}

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02 Sep 2010 08:36:14
1ST AND 2ND TEAMS NOW WINDOW IS CLOSED
Pepe Reina
G Johnson M Skrtel D Agger P Konchesky

Raul Meireles C Poulsen

Maxi Rodriguez S Gerrard J Cole

Fernando Torres


Brad Jones
S Darby J Carragher D Wilson M Kelly

Jonjo Shelvey Jay Spearing

Dirk Kuyt Ryan Babel Milan Jovanovic

David Ngog


BACK UPS: Fabio Aurelio, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Lucas Leiva, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston and David Amoo

what you guys think?

 

 

02 Sep 2010 07:55:15
What is Liverpool Way? Of course, we need to bring through own young players and have new S. Gerrards and J. Carraghers. It's going to take time. But the longer we go without Champions League football, the weaker financially we become while our opponents become stronger. I don't suggest we should buy success but invest heavily to get on even playing field with other contenders, to make up for all that underspending over the years. It's impossible to buy success anyway as football is so unpredictable at times. But it's possible to give yourself a FAIR chance to be successful. You still don't agree, Ed?
Red Herring.

{Editor's Note: I disagree with investing heavily - plus we don't have the money to do it. It has not worked for Manchester City and people forget that Chelsea were there or thereabouts already when Abramovic arrived.}

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02 Sep 2010 07:43:26

To all the lies being spread about the Ruling family from Sharjah all I can say is that there are some untruths in your rumour so I am spreading some doubt here. Sharjah does not have huge amounts of oil and gas and is the reason it borrowed money from Saudi and is the only Emirate that will not sell alcohol or pork because it was one of the stipulations for Saudi lending the money. Also the Al Qasimis (spelling?) will not pass the FA test for fit and proper. Just look for them on smokinggun.com

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02 Sep 2010 07:32:55
Please stop disturbing yourself about the current owners or incoming owners.let everyone get behind the squad and start praying for them because i think we really need blessing.the team is not bad if will they stick together or what do u think Ed?

BASHLFC

{Editor's Note: You are right - it is the club that everyone supports.}

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 06:24:22
Anyone else think that Blair Mayne & Sharkey have a little love thing going on. You two talk crap & just repeat what's reported in the media.
Takeover will happen, but when nobody knows. Everything is cloak & dagger stuff so getting any viable source is highly unlikely.
STOP your bitching & get a woman you homo's!

Moosehead79

 

 

02 Sep 2010 05:44:41
I have had fun reading this site over the last few weeks but have now grown bored with the whole thing. Not one true rumour (except after the fact) total rubbish in fact.
I think the only way this site can have credibility is if users register and login. otherwise same old f"""wits posting s* te

s
{Editor's note - There is a VIP forum were you can sign up, if you want the link I will post it up for you}

 

 

02 Sep 2010 05:02:55
H&G refuse to sell to Ambani and rejected the offer as they did to Huang. I don't understand what are this 2 jokers expecting from buyers. Boughton n Purslow are big liars as Yanks. . there is offers but they keep rejecting. Thanks Moore for all this mess. Dear god pls help our beloved club.

 

 

02 Sep 2010 04:47:49
Oldfield fc u chat s* t i checked theres nothing in the gurdian u prick

 

 

02 Sep 2010 04:27:15
Lets all face it atleast we know the truth now we are being rinsed as a club lfc biggest club in the world 21 man squad wat a joke wer not winning anything again this season players want out for 1 reson only they are being told lies about signings torres will go in jan hes already saying he wants out in todays papers in spain he got told we will sign top striker to back him up did it happen no hick and gillett filled there pockets with the left over money from player sales 40m true fact the yankz have been proven liers caught red handed this tranfer window

 

 

 

 

02 Sep 2010 00:39:37
The 6th October is date which keeps being mentioned. This was a date when, if the club wasn't sold, the banks would ask for a sizable chunk of money, £60m to go someway to pay off the debt/ interest.
Other people are saying that pass that date, RBS will take control of the club and force a sale?

(G+H) Neither of them are broke. . .

RBS look to lose a lot of money if the debt is repaid. By reducing the risk factor and reducing the debt to a level where-in the club can easily manage it RBS will continue to make money out of the loan.

Reducing it to around £150 million by calling in the markers and personal garauntees levied against the current loan agreement would see RBS continue to make money out of LFC.

Only way they'll take control is if liverpool default on the loan and they'd prefer that didn't happen. Taking liverpool over and running the club, managing the sell etc is a lot of hassle and bad publicity for RBS. They don't want Liverpool going into administration so they'd look at other options first. Refinancing is one of those options.

refinance is an option.

With that option pretty much crossed off, then the freezing of interest payments means RBS have been given an update on the sales process. They certainly didn't freeze interest payments because they woke up the other day and the sun was shining and they we're in a good mood.

Freezing interest payments and reducing debt on 350million loan of this size and keeping Liverpool as ongoing concern is good business for RBS

So it is obvious right now that liverpool will have to declare bankruptchy if the huge interest on the loan continues (£350million).

I'm suspect of G+H are having some financial problems and have told RBS who have agreed to persuit the sale of the club before anything else.

If we've got a frozen interest rate then one of two things is happening. . 1) RBS have been provided with notification and documentation of an agreed sale, or 2) they're agreeing to re-finance as long as a sizeable chunk of the debt is paid off. Probably around 40%

Torres to Chelsea/ City in January,
Gerrard to Madrid/ City = close to 100Million

Don't think that's going to happen, selling off your best assets to refinance is extremely foolish. You want to keep your best assets and find a way to refinance, then the potential of growth is far greater. Highly unlikely that RBS will refinance though.

The current debt level is down to £237 million, if they can produce say £87-100 million to knock the debt down it would make re-financing a viable option.

Hicks has issues with the Texas Rangers, but that went away once the sale went through, well pretty much to the extent it won't effect LFC. Gillett sold the montreal Canadians for $330 million not so long ago. So they could pull it together. Neither of them are broke and anyone who thinks they are is a bit misinformed.

They're very astute and clever in protecting themselves financially as most people who acquire their kind of wealth are.

I don't see refinancing happening personally, nor administration. It serves no ones interest for the latter to take place. If we go into administration and the sale takes place during administration the bank will be lucky to get the full total of its money back. As you said there's pressure on the banks to recoup.

So they may freeze interest repayments and extend the October 6th deadline based on proof of sale, or be in possession of said proof of sale and have frozen interest accordingly.


One thing for sure though Liverpool is still an asset with a whole lot of growth potential. It is for this reason precisely why consortiums , and sovereign wealth funds are interested in investing.

And why it serves RBS interest to be as reasonable and sensible as possible regarding the clubs condition. Assiting the sale process by extending the october 6th deadline, freezing interest rates makes a statement to potential buyers. That RBS has the clubs interests at heart and continuing with RBS as the clubs bankers is the way forward.