Liverpool Banter Archive August 30 2013

30 Aug 2013 23:10:06
Hi Ed. Is it true that .Liverpool have shown interest in taking Victor Moses and Mata on a season-long loan? {Ed002's Note - How could that ever possibly be the case?}

30 Aug 2013 22:56:03
Bit late but just watched BRs press conference. Love the bit about the transfers, especially Yarmolenko. If we got all the players they mentioned(which I doubt) I would be happy with the window.

Only a couple more days Eds and you that'l be the end of the stupid mindless transfer questions you get every day. until January.

YNWA

Mmm, there is no need for Shay Given though .

Would disagree with you on shay given, jones is a top lad, but given is a very good number 2.

30 Aug 2013 18:53:43
Question for ed 002 if I may,

I know the rules stipulate that clubs can no longer accept money from in principal owner in the form of an interest free loan, my question is this.

If a wealthy individual who is not affiliated with the club wished to donate a sizable sum to the club would this be against the rules? Would the club be able to accept it?

Thanks ed {Ed002's Note - Anyone can invest what they want, but I fear there is something missing from your question.}

Maybe some of the moaners on here can have a whip round and buy mata.
Only a couple of million each.
Then again there are so many it might only end up being a tenner each.

I can't imagine clubs can take donations from anyone like that though. You would just have owners giving £20m to Rosie the dog and Rosie the dog donating £20m to the club.

If we got 10 million fans to put 3 quid each that's 30 mill. Us fans would do this if asked and were promised it would go towards a Marquee player

What was missing from my question ed?

Reason I asked is because a friend of mine who is wealthy was considering giving a one off cash gift to a club very recently, I. This made me curious if it was against the rules. Thanks ed

The friend in question did not expect anything in return for his investment, he is just a big fan of this particular club.

That's brilliant Adam. We need an international telethon. Just 10m people required to donate. And those headlines in the papers: "Scousers In Need" Loose change being thrown at us by away supporters (just like the 80s). We could also have a panel of fans like X factor and Brendan and the scouting team would have to pitch potential signings to the supporters. A big red X spells the end but a few could go through to Boot(room) Camp.

30 Aug 2013 22:20:09
Dear Ed's, as you said earlier you have to register any new players by midday today, does this mean none of the players who might sign would not be available for the Mancs game on Sunday? (Great site!) {Ed002's Note - The 8 or 9 players arriving tomorrow will not be able to play Sunday.}

9 or 10 players if you count Marquee Man

This post answered itself

The competition has been fierce over the years on this site. But this really is the worst question ever.

30 Aug 2013 22:14:05
some sites reporting we want to take toni kroos on loan. Do you know anything about this? {Ed002's Note - No.}

30 Aug 2013 21:53:28
To ED02.
What a player Eden Hazzard is. My word. He is a speed machine. we need someone like him on the flanks.

With Love {Ed002's Note - Sterling in a couple of years?}

Ibe in a few years.

Don't see Sterling still around in 2 years! probably fulham, QPR or Palace. just can't see him developing his full potential, personally, I feel he'll just drift. Ibe is a different prospect altogether this Kid barring injuries will make it big time.

Sterling is like 18, mate. Give him a chance.

How can you say Ibe will be better than Sterling based on one season for Sterling and one proper pre season for Ibe?

Baffling.

Both of the players are really young. Any club would be insane to let go of a prospect as good as Raheem at 20 or 21 by thinking he wouldn't develop. that's just madness! I thought Sterling was amazing in the Notts game, he manned up as right back when asked. That shows BR's trust in him and he dint let him down.

People get bored of players very easily. Signed them, watched them twice, don't like them. Sell them. Buy him. Like him. Oh, he's rubbish too. Don't give him a second game. Sell him too. This happens when people have time to condense a title winning season on FIFA in between breakfast and tea and have no problems attracting Lamela and Eriksen when they are negotiating and not Ian Ayre. Or maybe I'm just getting old?

Good answer Ed002.
Seeing how Sterling took his goal mid week, I think he is coming on leaps and bounds and with some hard work he could reach the same level.

30 Aug 2013 22:35:40
I never wanted Erikson at lfc or willian or lamela as are all expensive risks, but the dig on twitter from Daniel levy toward lfc saying thanks to our scouting department for making this possible. let's hope spurs get what they deserve 7 th place .Also let's sign sahko, llori and Turan, top 4 here we come Ynwa

You do realise we only spent 3.5 million more on erikson than you did on llori

Twitter ain't what it seems mate.
Phooey

To the Spurs fan with the pointless post, you do realise we only spent 8.5 million on Coutinho who is a better player than Eriksen.

Also robspurs - you just spent 30m on an unproven player {Ed030's Note - come on,He was the best young player in the world when we where linked with him a few months back. }

STOP THIS rubbish. Every sensible fan wanted Eriksen and Lamela. We are a laughing stock {Ed001's Note - not true, I didn't want Eriksen and I haven't seen enough of Lamela to know if I want him or not.}

I didn't want eriksen and recently posted to say tha lamela record at Roma is only slightly better than borinis so they've spent 20m extra on a player who performed almost same as borini

That's a fake twitter account if ever I saw one! At the end of the day you can't keep international players happy sat on the bench, would be worth a January punt on Mousa Dembele if he sits on the bench!

Re: Every fan wanted Eriksen & Lamela

I never as Eriksen is just a trout who was trying to leave a CL team all season expecting to be picked up by a big club and instead ended up at Spurs. Lamela seems an exciting player with a decent cross but doesn't seem as developed as Coutinho. The point with these signings is they are to direct attention from the sale of Gareth Bale and how Spurs had no choice put to pay whatever wages were required.

30 Aug 2013 22:31:32
Been thinking about Spurs, myself included I think that some of us are rightly worried about them but I've come to the conclusion that all they've done is bring themselves up to the same level as the other top teams. They competed well against all the top teams over the last few years and we all know its only because of Bale that they were able to do so, take Bale away and they were an average side, we all know this so all they've done is compensate for this loss. There, I feel much better now.

30 Aug 2013 21:56:09
Seems logical to me that seeing as we are spending a lot of money on the CB positions that any left winger we sign will be on a loan deal. i'd expect Moses or the Hungarian guy.

30 Aug 2013 21:10:36
eds how good is this llori?and would you expect him to get first team football this season or just back up until injuries ect. also sakho possibly signing by the utd match sunday according to some reports. would you expect and other signings, if so any ideas.

thanks will {Ed001's Note - I don't know, and we still want a left sided forward.}

30 Aug 2013 21:14:10
Does anyone know if either Sakho or Ilori can play as a DM? Can't see a reason to keep Skrtel if one of them hasn't been bought to cover or retrain to that position.

Kolo-Kolo can, mate.

I don't know about either playing DM however I agree that Skrtel will be surplus to requirements. As good as he is, he proved too many times last year that he isn't maybe suited to life under BR.

We won't be keeping skrtle. Give him a good send off against united if your going.

I will Mick

30 Aug 2013 21:10:21
Not sure that Iago Aspas will set the league on fire and I'd much rather to see Ince back at the club but who knows maybe our genius coach BR know something we all don't.

Yes ince has limited talent and endless ego

OK, seeing that we all agree with you, why don't you go put in a bid for Ince? We will be waiting for you.

Yep, he is a coach after all. My level of expertise does not go beyond FM, so I trust him unconditionally.

At least you have given Aspas time to prove himself. A player does not have to set the league on fire to be more than worth while. what's more, I th

You don't have to be a genius to see that aspas is better than ince.

. what's more, I think he has shown plenty of promise, been pretty tidy for a first two EPL games and has great movement.

I thought that the peeps that are really in the know, not just Liverpool, but in the English game in general, thought he might be something quite special? The words I heard were he could be a steal.

Just what I heard .
Cheers
Phooey {Ed001's Note - certainly good enough to interest Chelsea as well as us.}

30 Aug 2013 20:53:49
Fun times ahead with the window coming to a close and the game on sunday . An unrealated transfer post . Torres has scored a beauty, looks like form is temporary class is permanant . Wouldn't know how to react if by 0.01 % chance we re signed him .

30 Aug 2013 22:15:19
He looked really good today.
But Hazard. what a player. Man. that's speed machine

He is not the terrible player that some make him out to be but nore is he the player he once was. He didn't want to stay with us either. I wouldn't be hateful but I would be confused. That being said, that may not be the hardest state for me to achieve.

I agree Andy, people do tend to make Torres sound like he is really bad and to be fair he is still very good. Lost some speed though and misses more chances than he should but is a confidence player and when he has it is still very good

that being said don't want him back and not going to happen

30 Aug 2013 20:47:18
"Tiago Ilori boasts a great amount of pace, height and strength and as one could imagine, this will fit perfectly with the style of play Brendan Rodgers demands from our team. This pace will benefit our attempts to play a higher line as Ilori will have no trouble falling back into deeper areas to stop counter attacks. His pace is so impressive that he broke the sprint record at Sporting, previously held by Cristiano Ronaldo."

I don't believe this, can anybody confirm that he is, indeed, faster than Ronaldo (at that age).

Yep it's true mate. Broke his record for the 30 metre sprint test.

Found this on Newstalk radio's website hopefully it answers any questions.

Attributes

Tall and good in the air at 1m90, Ilori is also very comfortable on the ball, based on early experiences further up the field.

"But his biggest asset is his pace. It is a given that ex-Sporting Lisbon stars Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani are lightening quick. But unbelievably Ilori is faster in a straight line, having broken the duo’s sprint record in training. That gives him an advantage in one-on-ones similar to Real Madrid defender Raphael Varane.

The one drawback is his slender frame but at 20, he has time to work on his strength and physique in the gym."

Read that at the start of the summer.
he was a striker up untill a few years ago as-well so should be composed on the ball.

but we have not signed him yet and how many time have we had someone nailed on.
lets wait and see.

Its true apparently. He broke sprint records previously held by Nani and Ronaldo.

I can't confirm it but I've read it on loads of sites that he holds the sprint record? Could be one copying the other though.

Sporting Lisbon?

As long as he can run backwards towards our goal when needed I am happy

Thats the big secret. With Aly.c and Sahko coming in, Ilori will be our left sided attacker

30 Aug 2013 20:32:27
Hi edds, were we ever in for kpb? would have been a very cheap option with milan keen to sell. Would have been a great signing if he had been willing to step down a level (which I doubt) {Ed001's Note - not that I know of.}

30 Aug 2013 20:21:29
So ed001 personal opinion on ilori is he any use heard he broke Ronaldo's sprint record or something {Ed001's Note - no idea, not seen him play since he was about 16.}

I have read that a few times too. Nanis record was broken as well. Hope it is true.

The Eds are knowledgable but surely the view of he scouts who've watched the guy numerous times for 90 mins keeping their eyes on him alone are more valid?

30 Aug 2013 19:41:07
just back from Anfield I have been on the legends tour with ian callaghan.
he was a gent as a player and a gent today. it was really nice to see him looking well and was funny too
thanks ian for a great tour

30 Aug 2013 19:23:56
Moses should not even be looked at this point in time as I'd much rather Ibe or Sterling at the left of the attack. Hope we do get a quality signing before the window closes.

30 Aug 2013 19:12:39
Mata Benched again. common let's move in. He is real quality. I would put countinho out wide all year, If we get Mata. plssssssss

30 Aug 2013 18:57:45
Is it true the Sakho fee in nearer 20mill? Sounds a bit much?

What does the fee matter, the club have been really responsible so far and not just thrown money away. I have read some posts on here and it seams money is no object. I think the club has got it right so far and will trust them to continue, we are in far better position than in recent years and I will give the management and owners my full support until they do things that I can't but so far so good

30 Aug 2013 18:33:40
Sakho and llori both expected on merseyside tomorrow to complete deals. unless spurs jump in

Which we all know they will. Right?

30 Aug 2013 18:04:36
According to City talk, Ilori (£8M) and Sakho (£12M) are on their way to Liverpool for medicals this weekend.
I hope this is true. Still need a fast right winger for me, although I've said for years Gerrard should be on the right. We have plenty of Central Mids and nobody whips a cross in better than the Captain.

Not sure that at 32 this would be beneficial long term.

I do think that when a change is needed, Johnson should be pushed further forward with Kelly/Wisdom just behind.

Saying that though, when suarez is back, 4-2-3-1 formation with sturridge through the middle, coutinho, suarez & possibly yarmalenko would surely be the main formation to play?

Not forgetting aspas as back up, there will be plenty of options going forward.

LFC Till I Die

If we get a time machine go back to the 00's then I would agree with you.

He does not have the pace or stamina to play that position for us now

30 Aug 2013 21:54:53
We don't need a RW to whip in the crosses. that's not our style of play.

30 Aug 2013 17:17:01
To the poster called "Kidder". You must be kidding yourself to believe Brad Jones is a reliable back up! What a joke

Brad is, for me, a fine backup. He's willing to do so, never complains, is always positive, tries his absolute best, and is in general a very, very decent guy.

Not saying he's a world beater or anything, but a little respect for him wouldn't be much to ask I don't think. {Ed001's Note - you forgot to mention how much he loves the club and is desperate to be a part of it, even if it means sitting on the bench rather than playing football.}

Agreed .

Yeah just remember last years fa cup exit

I'm confused, does this mean you can kid a 'kidder' or not?

Jones is a good back up for where we are at the moment. he doesn't always look comfortable but he gets the job done.

I would prefer Jones than Given. Given has been awful for years.

Sorry but i'm not having that!

Most times he has played he has done ok to be fair. Yes he is not an amazing keeper but that's why he isn't a 1st choice keeper he is a good 2nd keeper and you never hear him harping on about why he needs to be playing more and wanting a move. He loves the club and the city and knows his role in the club and he has always been there when we have needed him.
You should probably show more respect for players who have been at the club for as long as him and have not given us a minute of hassle.

Cheers

He played 7 games on the spin last season, 3 clean sheets and conceded in draws against Everton & Chelsea away. Never conceded more than 2. Reina came back and conceded 3 in his first two games back including the 3-1 defeat at home to Villa. But you know best. let's get Given who can't get a game at Villa and add 50k a week to the wage bill and watch Mignolet play every game anyway. By the way, did you bomb my nan's chippie?

Totally agree chaps, there's not many players loyal to clubs nowadays, so stop slating our own df.

Agreed I don't believe jones has ever let us down and it must be hard to step in just once in a while. I feel it's a shame that we might get a few mil for jones and given on a free. A quick gain financially but I feel he should be kept

Well said Ed, RDL and Taffy if only Suarez had Brads loyalty.

30 Aug 2013 17:10:52
Just wondering how many loan players a Premier Club is allowed, obviously we already have Cissokho but if reports are to be believed Moses & Given are potentially coming in as well.
Ben Smith on the BBC also reporting that Sakho & Ilori are flying in for medicals this weekend. Is he a reliable source? {Ed002's Note - Four.}

30 Aug 2013 16:56:22
According to Ben Smith of a web site Liverpool hope to complete the signings of Paris St Germain defender Mamadou Sakho and Sporting Lisbon youngster Tiago Ilori before Sunday's match with Manchester United.

The Anfield club are in talks with both clubs and hope to reach an agreement on the respective deals over the weekend.

The 23-year-old Sakho, who can play as a centre back and on the left, has played 14 times for France and is likely to cost around £13m while Ilori, 20, is one of the most promising young defenders in Portugal. Both players are expected on Merseyside for medicals and further talks in the next 24 hours.

I don't see us signing sakho tbh, we can't play two lcb at the back.if its true then I see us selling agger and skrtel {Ed001's Note - why can't we? That makes no sense, no one ever seems to see a problem with 2 right footers at the back.}

Its because nobody trusts a leftie let alone two of them Ed001 {Ed001's Note - very true, nobody trusts the true genius of a left hander, let alone the lesser genius of a left footer.}

That's a embarrassing post most center halfs are right footed so no difference between that and a left footer beside each other

And the fact he can play left back now cissokho is out for 6 weeks would say it mite make sense signing him

Totally agree with Ed002!
It's ridiculous to say that 2 left footed CB can't play together

Thats cause right footed players have bigger brains. FACT


im bring back the FACT

It's because lefties are a bit freakish, and it's not good to have too many in one team. Just imagine them all writing a letter at the same time - all that bending of wrists over the top of the page and all. Definately should be a quota on the number of the freaks in each squad.

There have been a couple of times Agger has taken a little knock in preseason, Celtic I think and against Villa. He carried on but to think he can go two seasons in a row without injury is laughable.
It's also competition for places. Heard that one?
Id like to think we'd aim to win cups as well so add games into the 38.
Also these are top players available now. 20 + 23 Agger and Skrtel are 29 Toure is 32.

Lastly. We have on the odd occasion played 3 CBs. We've got two right sided players in Kelly and Wisdom. Left sided Agger Sako with Toure Ilori central. Obviously choose 3 from 6.

30 Aug 2013 16:43:26
If we sign Moses as.our attacking singing BR was looking to add in the first eleven, I will he shocked and disappointed. The lad is not good enough and ibe and sterling are superior. Moses is a real heahscrathcer. It was clear we.had a large sum for an attacker and there's plenty of quality out there'

30 Aug 2013 16:23:09
Wow!
Things are quiet, far too quiet.
Not confident at all that we can get good players in now this late.
We've had since July 1st to get in a player with goals in his locker but have come nowhere near actually getting him.
Incredible!

Can't ever remember this in 25 years of previous support.
I'm not panicking but am thoroughly and emphatically disappointed that we again have possibly left ourselves short of quality.

Last year we were short in attack, this year we could be short in attack AGAIN, central defence, defensive midfielder and a quality winger to replace Downing, Assaidi and Suso who have all been allowed to leave for vari.

Amateur stuff at best.
Just praying that something amazing happens in the next 3 days, doubt it unfortunately!

If you have been following football for that long, you would realise, we don't play with 'wingers, ' and do not intend to. We are not short in any area but defence, BUT there is room for improvement in some of the areas you mentioned.
No wonder you are disappointed, you don't even know what you are talking about.

Have to agree with you. It seems hard to believe that we are days away from window closing with so many problems unsolved. I think the Suarez saga screwed the plans a bit, and certainly, the early form of Toure would have had BR thinking the central defence was accounted for. Right now I would be happy with Sakho, and perhaps adding another attacker in january. I bet FSG thinking same thing.

I like quiet. It means BR and the owners are getting on with the business in hand. don't get wound up by all the paper talk. We picked up some good signings at the start of this transfer window and I am confident we will have learnt from last summer and will deliver a couple of great ones in the next 72 hours whilst giving the mancs something to think about at the same time.

Reverse winger Davey sorry.
Didn't realise you were so clueless that I'd have to mention everything in specific detail for you.
What was Downing, Assaidi and Suso's positions as seen as you know everything?

30 Aug 2013 20:06:41
A lot can change in 5 days guys.
Have a bit of patience

30 Aug 2013 15:56:03
Given, Sakho, Illori, Moses and Yarmolenko. That seems to be the general consensus on here right now. Is it really plausible that we'd make 5 transfers before Tuesday? They'd all be decent signings in their own way, but 5 in before Tuesday seems a bit much to me somehow. maybe a few people are getting a little carried away.

Then again, I am hoping a lot of it goes to deadline day, as I do love deadline day as an event far too much. Just as long as it doesn't go horribly wrong like last year.

Would love all 5 but realistically 3 would be brilliant (Ilori, Sakho, Yarmolenko) but i'm not getting too carried away as we could well be left disappointed.

Having said that, Moses (loan) and Given (free) would cost next to nothing so it is not entirely unrealistic that we could maybe pinch one of them.

Shay Given could arrive as a free transfer, it is the same as Kolo Toure's signing.
An experienced player brought in for a season or two to help the youngsters develop without too much pressure.

Mamadou Sakho or Tiago Ilori, I doubt we will be able to get both.
I think it is likely to be Sakho, we have made bids for him whereas we have only made enquiries about Ilori.

Same with Victor Moses and Andriy Yarmolenko, one or the other.
I think it is likely to be Moses, we have made enquiries for him whereas we have not for Yarmolenko.

If we pull off even one transfer I will be surprised. I suspect the Given rumour is the most likely one to happen, since nobody else wants him, and it would be our least necessary signing.

Don't see the point of given as we have a call back option on reina and we not in Europe so mignolet should be able to play all season baring injurys

Haha.

In the two hours or so since this was posted we have agreed fees for Sahko and Ilori who will have medicals tommorow. Have bid for Yarmolenko and edged closer to agreeing a deal for Given.

Shows how quickly some things can change and quell your lack of optimism

Very happy if those 4 come, not concerned for Given as Jones is a solid back up but only need another Winger if the two defenders join.

30 Aug 2013 15:44:24
Hi, just to take the focus temporarily away from transfers and Spurs, does anyone else think Moyes looks to have a bit of an attitude since joining Man U? I think he's under great pressure and isn't coping too well. I remember BR saying it didn't really hit him what it was like to manage a big club until he joined and that the expectations are great, I reckon Moyes will struggle a little myself.

The Rooney comment about being needed if RVP got injured struck me as someone desperate to make his mark but lacking knowledge and experience of how to do it. A bit similar to Steve McClaren dropping Beckham as soon as he was appointed England Manager.

Just something different to read and think about.

You're right. it is no easy task following the dark lord.
Fergie will be missing it aswell. I would expect to see ferg back in charge by January.
Old Trafford was silent for the M
Chelski match. Apart from a frustrated attack chAnt.
They are there for the taking this Sunday. The crowd need to lift the roof off show them we are back in charge :)

Let's hope Moyes continues his age old tradition of never winning at Anfield.

He does seem like an person in the press conferences. I don't see why people expect Rooney to leave. Didn't Moyes bring Rooney through?

We should put in a sly Rooney bid on Saturday night and tell his agent.
that should unsettle him for the game!

Adam93Doyle mate- I would struggle to think of another manager who's threatened to sue one of his (current) players. Not sure what their relationship is these days to be fair (nor do I particularly care, to be honest).

I love the way he now wears suede shoes . a mark ov the man . he's changed!

30 Aug 2013 15:23:50
hey eds hope u guys are doing fine.
read a report in echo that kolo might be fit to play united.is it possible or just wishful thinking?
also have we agreed a fee with ilori.
hope u have a good last few days of the window.
cheers

Its on the official site, Brendan saying they will see how he is over next 48 hours. Fingers crossed he is fine.

It was reported in the echo and br himself said that kolo's situation might be clear over d nxt 24 hrs

30 Aug 2013 19:36:52
thanks for the reply guys really hope kolo is fit.
truered2

30 Aug 2013 15:08:24
With a bit of luck & focus in front of goal, and some concentration at the back ( yes, that's you Glen Johnson) I am looking forward to 3pts against our biggest rivals on Sunday.
We can do it. We will do it.
Hope Aspas & Coutinho score.

30 Aug 2013 15:01:22
Rodgers: "Toure injury is "nowhere near as bad as thought". Allen doubtful for Sunday but should be fine after international break. Cissokho out for 4-6 weeks

I thought the Cissoko one 'looked' the least bother when it happened. Allen was strange, but clearly hamstring, but Toure, well my eyes we watering

30 Aug 2013 13:38:12
What are your honest opinions eds on transfers so far and the way things are going?
I'm happy with the players that have been brought so far and happy that we are not over spending any more, but I must admit I'm starting to get a bit worried that we are leaving it late to bring in the couple of players we need. I'm surprised we let downing and assaidi leave with no replacement in coming, I know we have aspas, who looks so far but that leaves ibe and sterling, who I think will be unbelievable players, but I don't think they are quite there yet, hoping the rumours of sahko are true.
Do any of the eds believe we will bring in a cb (sahko?) and a left winger?
Cheers eds

I think the signings we've made have been really good tbh. Mignolet looks a great keeper and has already made us 4 point in two games. Toure looks a bargain, powerful in the air, good on the ball, and good experience. Aspas looks a great player, good movement, passing, and workrate just needs time to adjust. Alberto looks good technically and people need to think that he is very young, coming to a new country, different league, and against oldham was just struggling against a physical team. If we get ilori and yarmolenko or konoplyanka would think we have a great squad, if so though still think a DM should be brought in (even if its Barry on loan). Also happy with our loans; suso is getting games and performing well, coady is getting games in a lower league which should help in with the physical side of his game, the same for Robinson. So could be a really good window!

Have they improved us? I think they are like for like replacements and no better than what we had.

Reina is a top quality keeper, Cara was brilliant last season, Aspas and Alberto are still unknown and only time will tell if they will contribute to the side.

I happy we've got them don't get me wrong but not getting ahead of myself.

The only reason I think the changes were made was to reduce the wage bill.

Kolo is quality though and feel comfortable when he's at the back, reckon SG is happy to have him in the side :-)

Like for like isn't too bad considering after we signed Countinho and Sturridge we only won 2 less Points than United. Btw United won the league!

30 Aug 2013 13:09:21
Liverpool Transfer Speculations (on facebook)
stating we have signed Ilori for 8 million.

30 Aug 2013 12:52:26
hi eds
According to Darren Lewis LFc have agreed terms and Llori is on his way for a medical, reporing fee of £8m
can you please concur? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea whether or not Ilori is on his way for a medical, but as I have explained (repeatedly) Liverpool has been trying to get a deal completed.}

Iv'e just had a text to say that James Pearce of the Echo has similar news.

Fingers crossed! I don't know anything about this guy but I've heard good things and apparently he's rapid. Here's hoping.

Thx for the updates lads

30 Aug 2013 12:31:56
Hello eds. With Rodgers stating that he only wishes to improve the quality within the starting eleven. Why have rumours surfaced about the likes of Given and Moses? They come across as squad rotation players at most. So what would the thinking behind these moves be, if true? Thanks for all your hard work, leading up to the deadline. {Ed002's Note - A better question is why hang off every word Rodgers says? He is answering questions put to him and cannot be expected to allow for subsequent dissection by Liverpool fans looking for hidden messages.}

Toure and countinho were only squad player aswell.

With all due respect, who else's words are we suppose to hang on to if not the manager's? And if BR is trying to portray himself as an honest and direct person, why shouldn't we take his interviews literally?

30 Aug 2013 15:02:30
No-one's words dude, you should be thinking for yourself.
If you can't handle that (like myself) Ed02 is always a good one

30 Aug 2013 12:15:04
Nihao to you all eds and reds!
Now living in Shanghai, been checking this great site for 3 years or so, just registered today, looking forward to joining you guys from the other side of the world.
YNWA good start to the season, bring on Man U! {Ed002's Note - Welcome.}

30 Aug 2013 11:49:01
Hi eds. Some of the tabloids are reporting that Ilori's valuation has, if anything, been risen by Sporting Lisbon. I know it was reported that the club is in need of money and it seems we have been at loggerheads with them all summer. Is it true that his price tag has tripled, since the rumoured 6mil figure was thrown around? {Ed002's Note - It is true that Liverpool screwing around for so long has resulted in the price becoming less negotiable as there is now interest from elsewhere.}

IMO the transfer window is already closed for us - we have done some business early on, but that's it

Less negotiable ed2? Do you suspect a deal could still be agreed? {Ed002's Note - Sure.}

30 Aug 2013 13:30:09
So Ed you whtink we would be paying over the odds to finish this deal?. suerly more than he was valued 2 months back? {Ed002's Note - Judging by your last post which I deleted you have no grasp at all about what he is valued at.}

30 Aug 2013 11:43:33
hey ed002,
just wondering, are we in talks for Yarmolenko, sakho and ilori?

Can you see any of them joining?

Thanks a lot {Ed002's Note - See previous answers please.}

30 Aug 2013 11:41:34
According to Gianluca Di Marzio, who's been spot on throughout this windows, Liverpool have made a bid of €23 million for Yamolenko last night.

Eds, do you think Yamolenko is actually worth that much?! I haven't seen him play but surely 20+m is a lot of money! {Ed002's Note - See previous answer to Burnsy.}

30 Aug 2013 11:33:04
just thought of another reason to be cheerful for the season, look at the amount of young players coming through the academy and making appearances in the first team. Kelly, Wisdom, Sterling, Ibe, Suso(although on loan), are there any other clubs in the top half that are doing this to the sme level? I can't think of any. it bodes well for the future think of the money we can save by not having to buy players for these positions if the youngsters mature into first team regulars like some of them look like they will.

30 Aug 2013 13:32:40
Actually we are relying too much on our academy, since lack of first teamers.
This are the same kids that were here past 2-3 year before.

Relying too much on the academy?i don't believe that, youngsters have to be slowly brought through, if ibe and sterling had been playing in the 1st team 3 years ago they would of been 14 and 15 respectively so I don't think your point has much validity

30 Aug 2013 11:30:41
Ghana radio saying Albert Adomah will sign for Liverpool tonight! Probably nonsense! Never heard of him! {Ed023's Note - Plays for Middlesbrough}

30 Aug 2013 12:00:42
He signed for Middlesborough about 3 weeks ago. this is nonsense.

YNWAdam

He has already moved this summer, so he won't be moving again. And he is no where near good enough - despite doing well in his first 3 games at Middlesbrough.

30 Aug 2013 10:28:18
Do eds think Agger and Sakho can Play in same match as Centre Halfs considering both of them are Left Footed. We need Sakho as we need to Maintain Left-Right Combo when agger is Injured or struggles for Form. {Ed002's Note - I try not to lose sleep over such things.}

So what happens if you can use both feet?

You have to play 3 center Halfs put him in the middle then

It does not matter that both are left footed. that's like saying Lawrensen and Hansen can't play together becausethey are both right footed.

29 Aug 2013 13:27:25
Hi Ed002
Could you possibly explain why BR would even contemplate the signing of Moses? Even on a temporary basis? We have Ibe and Sterling, who are more than capable and even Borini if he finds form. He has been talking about adding quality to the first 11 and I just don't see Moses being first choice. Lastly, if Liverpool don't find value for money, do you see us sticking with what we have? As I don't believe we will ever break the bank on the final day of the transfer window after the Carroll fiasco. Cheers, thanks for the great work. {Ed002's Note - I could only imagine to add experience whist Sterling gets his act together. Liverpool should not spend for the sake of it, so they will look for value.}

But surely, Moses isn't the first wide player that springs to mind if we were going after experience? He's a young lad as well and only seemed to get a run in the side last year when RB took over the reigns at Chelsea. So he hasn't even had a great deal of football since his time at Wigan.

30 Aug 2013 10:56:18
I'm afraid this site is slipping back into its old ways, bitching and moaning about every player the media links us with. If anyone truly believes Torres is on his way back well then there is no hope for you, now i'll admit the Shay Given story did make me laugh, its one of those just random enough to be true. The way to look at the gossip in the papers is, even a broke clock is right twice a day, if they link a hundred names surely a handful will be right, sometime they link a player just so it appears we've missed out.

Now for the elephant in the room the problem at center back, I would be very disappointed if we didn't sign a CB this window because I feel there's be a lot of very good options out there, Sakho has always been my choice but I can't see him coming in unless Skrtel moves on. Ilori seems the most likely, iv'e never seen the lad player so unlike many on here i'll wait and see how he does on the pitch.

As for the left wing there have been so many names i'm guessing Rodgers is going to bring someone in, Moses wouldn't be my choice but again i'l see how he does, unless that's more BS from the tabloids.

30 Aug 2013 02:29:47
My last two posts got slated because I didn't go with the status quo. OK, I was being a little sarcastic but my concerns are still there. Ed 01, Eriksen plays on the left side of midfield, has played there whenever I've watched Ajax, so forgive me for not knowing what I'm talking about, we can't all be experts like you (Sarcasm there, in case you think I was serious) But honestly, Ed 01 and all others who thought I was either shouting because I used! at the end of sentences or the American fan (fellow brother red) who thought I was being negative, don't you guys think we need strenghtening in some areas? I'm whinning because I care and I don't want us to be left behind. We've played two games and won, that's great, but those were games I would've expected us to win, didn't you? Maybe because after 40 years of supporting the boys, I don't want us to fall any further behind. or maybe we think we haven't fallen behind.
Anyway, my apologies to all whom I upset with my whinning and raving (although I wasn't raving, really) and my thanks to Ed 01 for posting and responding to my post.
Here's to a good successful season, God knows we deserve one. It would give me enormous pleasure to see us beat the boys who spent so much!
Can't help if I'm worried. Living in London and getting constant wind up from Spurs, Arsenal and chelsea fans might have something to do with it, I suppose.
I won't post another whingy post again. unless, Oh, I'll shut up now.
Good season for all Liverpool fans. YNWA {Ed001's Note - left side of midfield is not a winger, you don't need to be an expert to understand the huge difference between the two roles. There are very few wingers left these days, it seems every manager thinks getting to the byeline and pulling back a cross is useless.}

We bought downing to pull back a cross for Carroll didn't we?

DezyBoy:
You are right. Downing was bought in to bring good crosses to Carrol. And to play right side and cut in and make shoots.
But the problem was that majority of the matches Dalglish did not play Carrol and Downing together. How stupid was that?

29 Aug 2013 20:46:14
2 Questions for Ed02 or Macca,

Do you expect the club to sign any more players as we know they are supposedly looking at a new center half, possibly two and a left sided goal scoring midfielder to allow Coutinho to play in the middle, if so could you shed any light on who the club are targeting as the media seem to think its Sakho & Ilori foe center half and not sure on the left sided player as were being linked with too many.

Also is Luis Suarez still set to sign the new deal or do you expect him to be sold in a last minute deal to Real Madrid if a decent offer comes in weather it be a straight cash offer or a low cash offer and a quality player.

30 Aug 2013 09:21:01
Players Available and "Want" Liverpool to bid

1) A.Ayew
2) A.Turan
3) Honda : Off to A.C Milan as we never approached him
4) Aldervield : Same as above off to Ath.Madrid.

We could have got above 4 for 40M odd.
Add Moses on Loan.
Suarez alone could have financed the deal.

Skretel Money for Sakho.

Do people not understand that money doesn't grow on trees and the owners are trying to get the club back into profit so that this can be used to fund future buys.

If £40M is so easy to come by and spend with no adverse consequences then maybe you should buy them! Doh!

30 Aug 2013 08:56:24
Toby Alderweireld is under going a medical at atletico Madrid 4.7 million fee agreed, understand we tried with a late bid but deal is almost completed and his agents/club unimpressed with our transfer conduct.Not surprised really with our recent lack of securing targets.

The problem is with Liverpool we are very slow in completing a transfer for some reason, also we have been linked with him and various others most of the summer and have left it very late to make a move so we have no one to blame but ourselves and Ian Ayre once again.

And your information came from where? why would Ajax accept such a low bid when they were allegedly offered more by Norwich, and supposedly a few other clubs.
From what the club ( not the media has said ) we have lost out on only one alleged target - HM, all the rest have been pure speculation by the press.

I don't see how we are slow to conduct transfers, we brought in 4 players in pre season

Bet any money FSG and Ayre bid £4.5m

No I don't think we wanted alder wield
We're after illori and sakho

30 Aug 2013 08:35:54
In order to be able to be in the mix for Sunday what is the deadline for signing any new players

Saturday

30 Aug 2013 08:22:22
PSG have received €13m offer from Liverpool for Mamadou Sakho. Source le parisien, hope it's true

I read that Liverpool have offered £10M up front with a further £2M over his contract in bonuses.

No disrespect to Ilori but Sakho is miles ahead of him and a world class CB and hopefully the transfer goes through smoothly for once.

30 Aug 2013 08:03:10
Liverpool reportedly made a late bid for Toby alderweiled of 4.7 million and failed the center half will have a medical at alethico Madrid

30 Aug 2013 07:56:43
We are in talks with Alderwerield.

Athletico Madrid are also in talks with the player.

Guess it comes down to our intent really, after the player had previously stated his desire to play for Liverpool.

30 Aug 2013 07:18:39
Can you beleive it? We were at the start of the window told Ilori would cost £9m we bid £3m.latest reports from Portugal are that we are being quoted £13m. yes £13m for Illori.

Clubs know so close to the end of the window that other clubs are desperate and prices go up. SO much for Ayre and FSG getting value by negotiating.

Sakhos price has also gone up to £17m.

This is how not to do business. Looks like we will end up with no CB cover now.

Absolute shower of a senior management {Ed023's Note - If we were to believe reports then Liverpool would have over 100 first team players, chill out!}

Wow - good job we have someone like you who knows what goes on behind the scenes, and keeps us informed about our Senior Management team.

30 Aug 2013 03:05:45
Hey Ed's, is there actually interest in brining Fernando Torres back to Anfield? Probably just getting carried away by the media, but have we enquired? Thanks {Ed023's Note - No and this is the last Torres post that will make it through today}

30 Aug 2013 09:25:55
You know what ed023?
That's made my day!
Thank you for making a meaningful contribution to society, unlike the person who made up the above Torres drivel

Note: I said the person who made it up, not the people gullible enough to actually believe it {Ed023's Note - It is a rumour that seems to appear every window since he left. Reporters love to troll Liverpool fans}

You should be carried away.he's useless!

Nice one ed

30 Aug 2013 01:54:51
{Ed023's Note - While that is a good story, I simply cannot post it Marshy sorry but as it happens, you did win and won well}

30 Aug 2013 01:14:29
Anyone else feel it will be a massive risk to start wisdom on Sunday?
I watched him against Celtic and he had a torrid time against their cf, then on Tuesday night he had a role to play in both their goals (beat in the air for the first and played the man onside for the second).
He's got potential but needs time to make those mistakes at a lower level. Certainly would be difficult to play against RVP and may damage his confidence for the future.
I'd start skrtl or Kelly, if they get fit enough.

Skrtel should be fit. He and Agger have a very good partnership so I am not too worried I would have Wisdom on the bench along with Kelly just in case.

We definitely need to strengthen this area before the window closes though.

All this talk about Wisdom "has potential" what the heck does that mean? He is simply not good enough folks that is obvious. I "have potential" too but that doesn't cut it in professional football. SEND him out on loan and let him prove he is good enough- if he ever well be. Somehow I doubt it!

Would play Skittle for this game, even though I don't rate him. He's a weak link in defence.
Hopefully we can get a new face in, in time for Sunday but not holding my breath.

Totally agree mate. Sakho looks good but would he and agger be flexible enough to play together. By that I mean one at RCB rather than LCB.

Once we sign an other center half, wisdom needs a year out on loan. he's not ready for the prem along withthe other lads that r out on loan. ibe and sterling will benefit from staying with us and could be ace cards off the bench

If one was to gt an injury during the game then we would be in it

30 Aug 2013 09:42:47
The concept of potential DrTed, is that a player can improve enough through time to supplement his natural abilities to an acceptable level. Was Robin Van Persie banging in 30 goals a season throughout his time at arsenal? No, he wasn't. He was a fantastic player, but now his potential has become ability and he has done for the last two seasons now. Christiano Ronaldo when he first arrived at United was very much like Nani at the same stage of his career. The criticisms were similar, and the mistakes were similar. Ronaldo began to reach his potential and became one of the best players in the world. Nani never did. Compare them both to El Zhar, who never really quite had the potential to do the same thing.

Yes, Wisdom needs game time, because he has potential. Yes, he's going to make mistakes, because whether or not he learns from them will tell us if he will ever reach that potential like Carragher did, or if he'll hit the proverbial glass ceiling, much like Stephen Darby did.

Thing is does it really help to throw a player with potential into a match like Manchester United in the league?

Not really the time to find out if he can "fulfill his potential", is it?

We did something similar with Flanagan and it didn't work.

Surely the best thing for Wisdom will be to get game time at a smaller club?

30 Aug 2013 11:12:28
@DrTed, Carragher said he is a beast and ill take his opinion and the clubs over yours any day. Good thing you don't work for the club we wouldn't have any young developing players!

30 Aug 2013 00:31:10
Ed001, you don't seem optimistic we will get the targets we need, is it a case of clubs holding us to ransom due to them knowing we are kinda desperate, or an unwillingness by us to pay the fees requested?

I know we should not overpay, but if you need something you tend to just pay for it if your pockets are deep enough. 12m for sakho is not unreasonable in this market, Illori I can understand them haggling over. He is inexperienced at the highest level and not yet proven unlike sakho.

Winger wise, well we only have ourselves to blame. We sat on our proverbial all summer knowing what we required trying to haggle whilst once again letting go all our options leaving the team short.

I am all for giving Ibe and sterling chances to get into the team, but they are teenagers and if played too much may suffer the same fate as rooney and be burnt out by their 23yrs old. We don't even need a so called Marqee which is a term I hate by the way, just someone who will be solid and provide the amunition for sturridge, aspas and borini.

Whats the latest on Suarez, ed002 was adamant he was still going to go this summer. i'm personally not bothered if he goes or stays, but I will not be defending him when he has another lapse in judgement and tries another stunt to get a move. {Ed001's Note - it is both, clubs know there is a lot of money floating about, so they are asking for higher prices, we are not going to pay them. We really shouldn't need to buy anyone that isn't going to be first choice anyway, in my opinion. We should be looking to youth players as the extra cover, or we are going to find they won't want to join us.

Rooney was not burnt out at 23, he smokes and drinks too much and lets himself get too far out of shape each summer, that is his problem. You can't get away with the wrong lifestyle forever, it catches up to you, either you change it or you fade. He needs to look at himself, as he only has himself to blame.

Real Madrid still want to buy Suarez, Bale is just keeping them busy for now, I expect things to move once that deal is done. Though we aren't going to roll over for them.}

Wayne Rooney is quality even if he does smoke and drink all summer. Burnt out by 23 is crazy talk. He scored nearly 30 goals two seasons back.

Ahh rooney is a bit like me then, a fat basta. ok ok, enough of that. Thanks for the reply ed, will miss ya when ed002 is back.

Rooney`s not burnt out because of the games he`s played. He `s burnt out because he`s out of shape and fundamentally unfit. I live in America where the most physically gifted athletes you`ve ever seen reside. NONE of them can get waway w/ what he does in the offseason so his body will continue to fail him if he doesn`t shape up.

30 Aug 2013 05:06:49
Im reading here that the reason LFC have not been able to buy many of the players they want as yet is because they don't want to "overpay" for them.
Sorry but that is a poor excuse if I ever heard one.
It is up to the selling club to set the price - if they feel they can get it or it is the price they feel they deserve then they have every right to hold out for that price and not to sell OR to sell to a club that does want to pay the correct price.
What are lFC doing with Suarez? Isn't it the same thing?
iF you want something and you are determined to get it in this world you will pay the asking price and stop wasting peoples times in trying the cheap "we have no money" trick,, cheapskates do this,, and they in the end get "cheap" goods or players.
It is clear that is what LFC IS doing,, no one is too blame expect the owners. BR clearly is ambitious and wants high quality players and has asked the club to buy them.
thE club in return has "tried" to buy them, buy bidding below the asking price,, and is outbid (or the player has chosen another club - but again - if you pay him a top salary he will come!).
So when we don't make champions league - owners are responsible for acting "cheap" and not wanting to pay the market rate (or even higher if necessary) or not "overpaying" - just another lame excuse in my opinion.

30 Aug 2013 07:20:47
Spot on. He is an outstanidng striker. But a supperb allround fotball players. He is near perfect No.10.

30 Aug 2013 00:05:00
Do any of the posters or readers on here actually enjoy football in general? It seems like people are only happy if we spend loads of cash on players or destroy teams by a large margin. I really love the sport in general and it gives me a thrill to watch my team playing it, no matter who the opposition are, who our players are or the result. Obviously I prefer winning, but just watching a great sport played by a great club is enough to make my day.

Liverpress, I totally agree. Have you ever seen the Irish game of "hurling"? You'd like the game because there's no money involved, you play for pride. You don't even get paid!
If football was played like this, there would be more players who play the game for the love of it, like gerrard, and less money grabbers.

Have you ever been to an auction where people are bidding: 125$, 130$, 130$, going once, going twice, 132$ and suddenly someone comes out and bids $55,000?

That is what football has become to a lot of fans. The fun for them is in the buying of players for lots of money.

I love football. Love it. I try to keep up with most European leagues when I'm not workin. It's usually the topic convo in work, its a great way to spark convo with people you don't know, brings all sorts of people from different races, religions and backgrounds together.

The only thing that annoys me about football is the money, I often wonder what players would do if they were paid minimum wage for all the hours they work, trainin, game time, meetings, club sponsors, all paid min wave, would they still have attitude they do now? Assou-Ekotto openly admitted he's not a fan of football and only does it for a job, I could see why that annoyed spurs fans.

Part of the problem is that internet 'news', Football Manager and Fifa are more accessible than the games themselves for many folks these days and with so many supporters around the world following EPL teams (for example) and obviously not able to go to games on any regular basis, the actual game of football itself is lost to many. The excitement to some, including the story hungry press, is around everything but the game itself.

Andy K