Liverpool Banter Archive August 30 2016

 

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30 Aug 2016 23:48:18
Can't wait for the window to shut, tired of waiting on something to happen even though we've bought in some good signings.

Looking forward to going with what we've got, as I have zero self control to stop constantly searching this site and others for transfer news.

Enjoy the season ahead fellow reds! YNWA.

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30 Aug 2016 23:18:42
Ed 002, I have to say, you sound like a bitter rival fan with some of your answers/ comments, I understand you are not a Liverpool fan and I think it's pretty clear you're not a fan of klopp, but in the years I have visited this site, I can not remember one comment in which you have praised or at the very least complimented Liverpool in any way, it is always the negative side of things that you choose to focus on.

Also, while I think some of the fans on here want the world, the total lack of respect toward them from you is ridiculous, you are painting us all with the same brush. I think I read you are a Chelsea fan and if we want to talk about fan behaviour then I think Chelsea fans have a lot more problems than Liverpool fans.

I don't mean any disrespect with this post, just putting across my feelings and I hope this gets posted. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Trying to make Liverpool's failings about Chelsea is the typical of the embarrassing comments from some jerk like you. Regardless of anything else - who were the most charged club in Europe last season for fan infractions? If you can find someone with half a brain to explain posts you will find that I am not "painting" all of you with the same brush at all. Another moronic remark. I am a better Liverpool supporter than the vast majority on these pages who do nothing other than trash the players, the owners and everyone else - aside from Klipperty (who hasn't won anything for years and has become pretty much a serial loser) and the One Who Squats To Piss (who of course cost Dalglish his job - a man who did so much for the club but quickly discarded by the people here).

I rather think that you might find what I have said to be correct if you read the posts, or perhaps have the nuances of the posts explained to you.}

30 Aug 2016 23:42:42
I don't agree with Scouse red necessarily, but calling him a f***wit jerk just reinforces his argument Ed. My son used to come on this site, but the way in which people address each other is embarrassing at times.


{Ed002's Note - Ok then I will ban him for you so your son can safely return.}

30 Aug 2016 23:51:22
I finding the last sentence stating 'not to disrespect' amusing after such a lengthy post with plenty of disrespect throughout.

Keep up the good work 002.


31 Aug 2016 00:02:13
-------------serial abuser embarrassing himself and the other fans - absolute personification of why the Liverpool fans are indeed the worst in the world ---------


31 Aug 2016 01:16:50
I agree with eds post to some degree. When he says most of our fans do nothing but bash players and owners. I've stopped going on live chat because all it is, is negativity. I think its only Ron who supports the players as we should.

Supporting should be about supporting throgh good times and bad. If any of theses players are not good enough, that is not their fault. Maybe if we supported them it would spur them on to do better.

We will never know because 90 percent of the fans on this page do nothing but whine like a pregnant women. I think you should all hang your heads in shame.


31 Aug 2016 03:50:07
Eds aren't here to be fans and tell us what we want to hear. we're lucky to get the insights they provide. If you look at some of the other teams' sites the ed's respond in much the same manner, they haven't singled out abuse to Liverpool for the sake of it.

If you don't like what they say then choose to move on elsewhere. simple.


31 Aug 2016 00:07:03
Although they might sound bitter, but shouldn't we munch and swallow them to reflect ourselves? I think that is more important.


31 Aug 2016 05:25:01
You should be thankful we have such a website, with such knowledgable Ed's, and stop worrying about favoritism and which ed supports which team. They respond to everybody in the same way, there is no vendetta against Liverpool - it is incredibly childish to suggest that their is.


31 Aug 2016 00:55:57
lol bring out the popcorn feelas, someone decided to take on ed002.
but seriously I've read many times when ed002 has praised liverpool and their positive performances.
but let's look at it this way - I'm a diehard of LFC not Liverpool fans.


31 Aug 2016 01:59:17
Ive yet to go on any online forum where there is contentious debate (footy or otherwise) without the filter-feeders rising to the surface and blurting abuse to all and sundry. The more popular the forum, the greater the number of numpties it seems. Thank goodness we stay away from politics on here.


31 Aug 2016 08:32:18
Some people still can't see the priest on a mountain of sugar.


31 Aug 2016 11:00:33
Ed002 always strikes me as fair with his assessments. Never seen any bias or partisan comments from him. Ignore the haters Ed, the rest of us respect what you do.


30 Aug 2016 23:41:47
I'm not trying to make it about Chelsea, I am simply pointing out that Liverpool fans are not the only fans who have a idiotic and childish minority. Also, not once have I criticised a player or manager who didn't deserve it, I will be the first to say that klopp has made some stupid mistakes regarding tapping up etc. However, I think you are very harsh with some of your comments regarding klopp e. g. Serial loser, he took us to 2 cup finals in 6 months, he may have lost them but surely that deserves some positive recognition, but still you find the negative in the situation.


30 Aug 2016 23:01:30
Hello ed's another great transfer window job you's have seen us through again.
Is there any truth in this rumour coming about that Chinese major shareholders deal done?

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{Ed002's Note - I will stick with what I said originally about the time for a sale.}

30 Aug 2016 23:21:29
It's being reported that a deal has been agreed in principle for them to become major shareholders. I know it's Twitter read but still a few that report rumours before are saying the deal all but done.


{Ed002's Note - Ok then, it is a done deal if you say.}

30 Aug 2016 23:41:49
Eds are one one tonight . Can people have more respect for the eds who can the own time to tell us info thanks ed for your good wor you do.


30 Aug 2016 23:54:17
Reus, none of Torres, Alonso, Masche, nor Suarez were big names when we signed them. They became household names here which explains why we were able to sell them for double if not triple (Suarez), of what we signed them for. Your post has no basis in reality and factually wrong.


30 Aug 2016 23:58:47
Sorry, Reus. Wrong thread.


31 Aug 2016 01:43:13
Sorry Hamilton but Suarez was very well known scoring goals for fun in Holland and cheating in the World Cup before he came to Liverpool. Torres too had played and scored in a World Cup - i was excited by his impending arrival and i know less than most about continental players.


31 Aug 2016 14:19:43
All but alonso where already household names.


30 Aug 2016 22:43:18
Eds. LFC's transition goes on while Chelsea go from strenght to strenght. They appear to have signed a left back, Marcos Alonso. LFC on the other hand are now relying on Milner to fill the left back. How can LFC hope to compete if they can't address the left back and defensive midfielder positions?

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{Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with Chelsea. Take it up with Klopp.}

30 Aug 2016 23:01:00
but where would all our midfielders fit in if we bought a dm? klopp has even managed to fit in a midfielder at left back, they've taken over the striker roles too. all that's left, are the centerbacks and awful clyne at rightback. once he's injured, it will be can at rightback then it will be 8 midfeilders and 2 centerbacks. was matip a midfielder too? :/.


30 Aug 2016 23:07:54
Yes eds because it's was daglish signers BR signers now Klopp . Really is people believe this . When was the last time we signed a big name . Not fee big name . I say Torress .


31 Aug 2016 00:01:32
Reus, none of Torres, Alonso, Masche, Suarez were big names when they came here. They made their names here which explains why we were able to sell them for double or triple (Suarez) of what we paid for them.


31 Aug 2016 00:29:42
I think you find Torres was . He and villa was scoreing for fun at the euros .


30 Aug 2016 22:41:49
Should tapping-up in football be treated any differently than being head-hunted at work?

Morally I'm not condoning it, but we only go to work to earn a few bob.

Why should football, a business, be treated any differently?

Believable0 Unbelievable3

{Ed002's Note - Work contracts are not time constrained in most cases. Suggesting legalising rules that Liverpool abuses is a joke Davey.}

30 Aug 2016 23:55:37
I'm not claiming to know the ins and outs of business but contractually I leave my job for a position at a competitor or a customer, similarly a customer/ competitor cannot directly discuss a job opportunity to me and if they do I should inform my employer. Now most of the repercussions may fall on me as the employee but there is a chance a competitor or customer may face legal action. Now most of the time these things are worked out without legal action and are ultimately swept under the rug. which is how tapping up in football seems to be handled more often than not so in reality I think football handles tapping up quite similar to business.


{Ed002's Note - Legally you can give notice to leave your employ - a footballer can't. Tapping up is a problem that clubs and authorities are aware of. Serial offenders like Liverpool walk the line and know it - and they have been bitten in the past (grovelling apology and begging Fulham not to report it) and again this summer - a letter warning them off. It is unacceptable.}

31 Aug 2016 00:18:47
That's true Ed, I was more eluding to the fact that it's not as easy as was made out in business either and there certainly can be repercussions for direct communication with competitors if there are clauses in your contract.

I agree though, on the whole it is completely unacceptable and I think people at times need to be more empathetic with other clubs. I certainly would not be happy if I found out Emery was discussing a potential transfer with Coutinho for example.


30 Aug 2016 21:46:27
Eds, genuine question here, I know someone who has contacts at Liverpool from when he used to work their many years back, I asked him if he knew anything about potential transfers for tommorow, he told me his sources are always paranoid leading up to deadline day incase they are being fed false stories in order for the club to catch moles, is this normal at every club? Seems pretty pathetic to me as they should have far more to worry about.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what he is talking about.}

30 Aug 2016 21:59:50
His sources don't want to give him info incase they are fed false info by the club, therefore the club know who leaked the info.


30 Aug 2016 22:08:27
Still don't make any sense.


30 Aug 2016 22:40:25
It clearly does. The club give people within false stories, therefore, if the story gets leaked, the club knows who leaked it from within. Hence the mole catching reference.


{Ed002's Note - The club are becoming more and more of a joke within the game.}

30 Aug 2016 23:56:36
---------abusive trash removed------------


{Ed002's Note - Seems the vegetables are out tonight.}

30 Aug 2016 21:09:31
Question for ed002

Since Klopp has arrived and had most of the summer now to make the squad more trimmed and taking into account the players brought in/ sold and loaned out, how would you rate his decision making skills in that department. E. g. I want this guy in and this guy out.

Marks out of 10?

I know a lot yet has to be proven on newcomers etc but on paper would like to know your opinion.

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - I have not that impressed really. Mane was already a decent player and in this inflated market a good deal. The others I am not so sure about. His behavior has been dreadful and it has bitten the club slightly. Liverpool should have been less cautious with some of the asking prices and Klipperty should have been more cautious with his mouth. For now his win percentage is still ahead of Hodgson but some way behind Rodgers.}

30 Aug 2016 21:17:44
How has his behaviour been dreadful? I get his comments about Balotelli and Benteke weren't overly helpful and his tapping up has been well documented on this site, is there anything else we don't know about?


{Ed002's Note - All done to death - tapping players, generally being a jerk...}

30 Aug 2016 21:26:05
I agree about your comment regarding being less cautious with certain dealings but when it comes to money for players agents clubs sponsors etc surely Klopp cannot just say yeah I will have him for example 50m even though said player is unproven and way above the realistic market price. As for win percentage in comparison to hodgson Rodgers etc, I don't think right now that can come into the equation as it seems he is building for the future and not just the here and now which in my opinion is the difference between a good manager and a terrible one, Paisley didn't create an amazing squad in his days at the flick of a switch it took time and hard work and like Ed001 recently mentioned the training methods today compared to the days of Paisley and such are so different and players these days things and moan about the smallest thing which for some reason affects them on field. I blame FIFA 16 to be honest lol.

Anyway thanks for your opinion as always.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure there are plenty of excuses for Klopp.}

30 Aug 2016 21:47:08
Paisley was winning leagues and Uefa Cups in his second season as manager. So pretty much the same time Klopp has had. A bad example if you ask me.


30 Aug 2016 21:49:16
5 out of ten for me, obvious mistakes have been made with regard to in comings such as lb and dm. By and large he has shown the right people the door but i disagree with sakho and flanno being let go. We all know once you go out on loan you get frozen out and sold eventually (unless your names wisdom ehem) .

I know he is known for developing players but he did a poor job on ibe and flanno for me.

I am hopeful on karius but its not guaranteed he will reach his potential. Maybe we should have targeted an established keeper of top quality, time will tell. Matip looks good on a free and despite klavans solidity against weaker opposition is he really a better addition than sakho?

Its too early to tell what grugic will turn out to be but he has obvious talent i wonder if it is too early to have come to us though. Mane is the obvious success story and going by inflated prices to date we got him for a song compared to what he adds to the team.

The elephant in the room is wijnaldum, just don't get it, sorry. So with that it has been half and half for me hence the 5. No really outstanding buys but solid none the less, i just question whether the signings made have demontrably made us a better team, again time will tell.

This is not a negative post btw just my assessment and i have no doubt many will disagree.


30 Aug 2016 21:51:53
I am sure Klopp has poor moments but he doesn't seem the biggest jerk IMO, although i do not mean to suggest what you say about his tapping up players is not in fact true and unprofessional, but in many other ways he seems a good guy.
As for the players he has moved on and purchased i think we did okay. Mane was a good buy like you say, but Grujic and Matip seem like decent signing to me also.

Anyhow, just my opinion.


30 Aug 2016 21:59:12
You add what's happen to sakho out there now.


30 Aug 2016 22:00:37
Totally respect ed 002 comments but I am still a believer and whilst Jurgen may have made some mistakes there is no one else that I would rather have at Anfield,

He is building a side and whilst it will be a roller coaster ride for us all I reckon he is going to make us all proud,

We haven't been able to play our first choice keeper yet and Matip has just had his first EPL game,

Let's just keep the faith and give the guys a chance,

I for one will not post any negative comments until we have played 10 EPL games,


31 Aug 2016 00:03:13
Ed002 there are far too many variables involved to judge a manager on just his win percentage, money spent, trophies, finals, competition played in, opposition quality. Rodgers stats are grossly inflated due to that season we came second with Bielsa's tactics and the SAS, even Tony Pulis could have had some success with those 2 upfront, I base my opinion that the second place finish wasn't down to Rodgers due to the fact that he never replicated it after Suarez left.


{Ed002's Note - Keep looking for excuses for Klopp.}

31 Aug 2016 01:06:42
I was the same with all manager, even when hodgson was here. the same applies - I just wanna see how the team progresses over time and how the players fit in together.


31 Aug 2016 01:07:42
We don't need to excuse Kloppo, this season will be trophy laden. 😎.


31 Aug 2016 03:23:13
if every fan had your belief and faith that Liverpool will do well under klopp ron, we would be unstoppable.


31 Aug 2016 04:57:59
Tend to agree with Ed2 though she is a bit harsh.

1. Klopp had this transfer season but signings are 50-50 or not inspiring.

2. His insistence on playing with single striker and that too with a jack of all trades master of none type of player - Firminio is going to not win us anything.

3. Less said abt Left back and keeper the better.

4. Firminio is a better better better lallana, Milner type. Sometime class moretimes Dross.

5. Midfield and Defence is still porous and hasn't been adressed.

6. My personal dislike is his tactics- on the pitch and on the sidelines.


However one thing whis is very refreshing is his press conference where his he is ver candid and calls a spade a spade. You got to be impressed with it.

My prefiction is 7th at the end of the season but heart wants my call look stupid and we overachieve.

Will be happy to look like a joker if it means we win something.

Cheers.


31 Aug 2016 01:31:25
Ed002
I didn't want to ask this incase you unleashed your wrath for asking but my question was regarding how he performed on a basis and f 1 out of 10 in comparison to funds available, players willing to be me in, players leaving etc. My mention of Paisley in my opinion is correct as because when Klopp came in the team morale seemed to change slowly I will admit we reached 2 finals one of which we threw away in my opinion and that was in his 1st few months with the players he was handed over from Rodgers. But back to my question I didn't want to really ask but I will now. Was it Klopp that pulled the plug on Chilwell or did the player decide he wanted to remain where he was for another season at the very least? As for the other signings I'm delighted with 90% of them and also glad we kept Milner as he can cover anywhere on the field when asked and always gives 110% just a shame he does not have the real talent we need to be regular and others could take some of his pure determination from him and let's just keep his wages out of this for a minute the man wants to play football and is now thrown in at LB and in all fairness never once complained. OK Klopp has a bit if a big mouth at times but who doesn't

For example Mourinho, allardyce and the list goes on and NO I'm not putting in that league I think he's a better manager than both in my opinion but hearing from you if it was Klopp that pulled the plug on Chilwell or someone higher would explain a lot to the fans and probably end the matter for the foreseeable future.

Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool did not make a sufficient bid for Chilwell. Klopp is not responsible for the money but is part of the process that decides on players the club should look to. He will be aware of the value that the club puts on such a transfer but would have little input to it. If he really wanted the club to do what was necessary to buy Chilwerll then he would be able to push that point. It is not the case of "pulling the plug" but one based on the expectation that the club can bully others in to doing what they want. They can't and that point has been shown by others such as Udinese - who see Liverpool as very much the low end of the business - as many other clubs do of course. They have also screwed up with sales and loans this summer - whilst doing well with Benteke, Smith and Ibe they have treaty other players badly and screwed with the careers of others. The complete lack of respect that they have for other clubs and ex-employees like Spearing and Rodgers does not go unnoticed. Last night a well known negotiator and agent referred to Liverpool as "amateurs" in the way they are dealing with one player at the moment. Quite frankly he is correct.}

30 Aug 2016 18:54:16
I return from my past few weeks of fun and i find the site has gone into meltdown.

First of all, we are 3 games into the season. In the old days, before my time, the league table wasn't even shown on MOTD and other outlets before 5 games, such was how little it mattered. Anybody complaining needs to grow up, we're still finding our feet.

As for transfers, the only thing i can legitimately complain about is the absence of a left back. I've given up on us getting one.

However people on here do need to realise that we are not going to be able to do every single bit of a transfer business that needs doing in one window. We had an awful lot of players we needed to ship out, and an awful lot we needed to bring in. We aren't going to be able to complete every deal we would like to this summer. Milner, lallana, lucas, moreno, mignolrt, wisdom, alberto and balotelli are all names who have not moved on. However, when you look at how much the squad has changed, expecting every change we would like is unrealistic.

As for sakho, i personally like him as a player, but the club and klopp know what he is like behind the scenes and what he has done, and if they believe he is ill disciplined and needs to go, so be it. We know absolutely nothing of his behaviour and so we cannot comment, i doubt it is so much to do with his playing ability.

As for the state of the team, we are still finding our feet. Moreno is not playing at left back at least, but milner is not the answer. Wijnaldum needs to be dropped and given time out. Origi needs to get going up front ASAP, and two up front should be tried. Klopp has been dodgy at the start of this season but hopefully that will change.

But overall people just need to stop complaining. We have won, lost and drawn our first three games. Why everyone is making out there is some kind of crisis i do not know. Just support the team and enjoy watching us again!

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30 Aug 2016 19:27:23
Moreno has been replaced by Milner i guess who wasnt going anywhere. Mignolet has Karius to compete with. Mario, Alberto and Wisdom make no difference to the first team as they were not even here last season and will be moved on. Lallana is a first 11 player at the moment, what makes you think Klopp was getting rid of him? So Klopp has done pretty much what he wanted to do. This is his team, his words. No excuses and none wanted for me. Just get on with winning games. With no European football i expect top 4, minimum. If Rodgers can do it then Klopp should easily. He is the better manager after all. As i have said, no excuses.


30 Aug 2016 19:29:57
We have this same discussion every year, it's still early etc. Yet we often end up way beyond our expectations. Fans have a right to offer their thoughts and critiques of performances. Now I'm writing us off this early but there is hardly flourishing prosperity. We can only judge on what we see and it hasn't been great. I am confident we will pull a good run together, but each game, there is understandable trepidation.


30 Aug 2016 20:20:18
Hasnt been great? We've dominated all 3 games. The Burnley game we had 80% possession and we went to London twice and got 4 points. which could have been 6. Its early doors and it will click, i would understand the trepidation if we were totally off the pace. If we keep the lads fit we will walk into the top 4. Ynwa.


30 Aug 2016 20:34:32
I agree with both of yous, I'm not expecting much this season then anything will be a bonus, teams will not enjoy playing against us like Spurs found out, I would love another Mane before the window shuts mind 😁 here's for hoping lol.


30 Aug 2016 21:08:12
We are miles away from the top four at the moment, we have a manager who sadly doesn't seem to know his first XI, and so far has carried on the Liverpool way of playing people out of their natural, and strongest positions. Klopp is an amazing personality, and did exceptionally well in mainly a 2 horse race in Germany, and yes he will obviously need time, and hopefully within the next 3 years he will be able to bring us a few trophies, I'd rather have silverware in the cabinet than a top 4 place.


31 Aug 2016 01:09:39
We were rubbish against Burnley, worst premier league performance under Klopp I'd say. The other 2 games we played pretty well. It's a decent start but we'll be better with a bit of momentum behind us.


30 Aug 2016 17:54:13
Balotelli in Nice for a medical and Sakho to Sunderland on loan (? ) .
I don't understand the treatment of Sakho but it would seem that Klipperty wants his own squad ASAP!
Could it be a mistake to change too much too quickly and will it be at the expense of character and harmony from the dressing-room?

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30 Aug 2016 18:28:26
I definitely think it is, Sakho's been one of our most consistent performers over the last few seasons, especially last year. Really daft decision in my eyes, I rate Lovren but no matter what form he is in, he always has a risk of making costly errors, such as often turning his back on shots. So i think our cb pairing should definitely be Matip and Sakho but it seems Klopp sees it differently.


30 Aug 2016 18:49:31
I can't imagine Klopp is just kicking him out for one bout of indiscipline on the US tour, especially having used him as first choice right up until he was suspended.

I rate him very highly as a player, but somehow think it's likely he has a history of attitude issues and that's why he's going.


30 Aug 2016 18:51:52
I think its a shame but for me Sakho was never one of our best players and frequently for me was average. Though we were defensively very poor last season for example, Sakho if that good would have helped keep out some of those dreadful goals from set pieces particularly, and too often did not do enough in a team of players who for the most part did not do enough either.


30 Aug 2016 18:55:11
I much prefer Sakho to Lovren but the fact of the matter is, Sakho didn't maintain the standards expected of him while we were in the states on pre season. Klopp seemed to rate him before and probably still does, but if a player thinks he's above the team and can be late for various things then he is not good for a manager. Hopefully he takes a loan move as the kick up the arse he needs to properly sort himself out and if he does come back next summer, or even doesn't leave before the deadline, he is in a better frame of mind and more willing to pull in the direction Klopp wants, because he seems to love the fans and we mostly love him too.


30 Aug 2016 20:09:57
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of sakho as a player, he undermined the manager and there's only one way that will ever turn out and that's the player moving on, if he stays it gives the impression to the other players that klopps weak and some of them will exploit that, he's finished at the club so just accept it and move on.


30 Aug 2016 21:14:56
Klopp sees Sakho every day of the week give or take, he knows what his doing, all you posters know about as much about him as I do, that's nowt, so don't keep moaning about it, regardless if you think he's our best player, can't understand why a lot of people on here question Klopp's team, tactics, transfer dealings etc, I for one am glad we've got him, so get behind him.


31 Aug 2016 01:09:22
moral of the story is that fans want players who aren't there or aren't available. meanwhile perpetuating the narrative that whoever isn't there or unavailable is better than the players who are playing currently. it's a terrible cycle to be in!
I do find it humorous that Sakho has so many fans suddenly. I love the guy too, bbut I think his other antics have endeared him to LFC fans more so than his actual play.
bottom line is if he is a disruption and can't turn it around for what klopp wants, then he'll have to go. Similar story to the end of his time at PSG, so it would seem it is all down to Sakho and his ability to turn the tables around.


31 Aug 2016 00:05:43
I have no prob questioning the manager's tactics as that is part of the game. But people should stop acting like they know what's going on behind the scenes because bar the Ed's, no one knows a darn thing.


30 Aug 2016 15:24:02
Carvalho or Medel?

Preferences?

For me, Medel as he's the better LB 😉.

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30 Aug 2016 16:52:45
medel or Carvalho would be a fantastic signing for us.


30 Aug 2016 17:42:01
Carvalho long term would be better.


30 Aug 2016 18:52:15
medel by a country mile.


30 Aug 2016 15:55:24
As it doesn't look like there's much to talk about reference transfers I thought I'd go back to one of the key debates of the team and that's who should start up front. Although there's been some calls to play two strikers that seems unlikely to happen at the moment and with Ings a fair way away from the first team there are three realistic possibilities for lone striker; Firmino, Studge and Origi. I've seen some suggestion that Klopp will play horses for courses and that the role will be rotated but with Firmino starting the first three games there I'm getting the feeling that he's first choice and the other two are back ups. I'm very much in team Studge so I wanted to figure out why Klopp is favouring Firmino at the moment.

I want Studge to play quite simply because he is an elite level striker, he currently has the fourth best strike rate of any player in the Premier League era (the three above him all played in far more successful teams) and he has maintained that rate since he returned from injury. Strikers of his calibre should be playing in title winning teams, that is his level and Liverpool should be built around players like him. The counter argument is that he's not reliable and the team should move on, he's only appeared in 53% of PL games for Liverpool and he's only started 41%. To me he's a must for the squad because he offers a two figure goal return even if he plays only part of the season and if he does get over his injuries then we have an outstanding player to push for the title.

It would seem most posters favour Origi up front. Origi is certainly the identikit of a lone striker, he's tall, quick, powerful, strong in the air and on the ground and his movement is good. He's still only 21 and there's a chance he will develop into a excellent striker. My view is that he's still raw and isn't ready to be our main striker, we need someone more consistent as our first choice, maybe he'll be there in the next couple of years but he's still behind both Firmino and Studge.

This brings me to Klopp's favorite, Firmino. A number of people have pointed out that his scoring rate isn't great for a top class striker but if you only consider the games where he's played up front then it's very respectable. Where Firmino really shines in comparison to Studge and Origi is his creativity, he sets up more goals than the other two combined. I believe it is this, plus his 'defend from the front' qualities that make him Klopp's first choice. What worries me is games such as this weekend's when Firmino puts the ball on a platter but our other players lacked the composure to finish off the move, I feel if Studge had been on the pitch we would have scored more.

I'd prefer to see us go back to a two man midfield or play Couts as part of the three, have Firmino drop back and have Studge play ahead of him and Mane. I think we'd score a boatload of goals like this, whether we'd concede so many that it cancelled them out is a separate matter all together.

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30 Aug 2016 17:03:25
Agree with most of that - Sturridge is probably the best goalscorer at the club - drop Lallana or Wijnaldum and put Firminho in just behind Sturridge and see if his creativity can add up to assists!

For me I'd play a 4-2-3-1 with Can and Grujic/ Lucas holding in front of the defence and Coutinho, Firminho and Henderson as the attacking 3 behind Sturridge. Should win a few games that.


30 Aug 2016 17:31:17
I don't rate firminio. he's slow, wasteful with the ball and often goes missing. I don't see how he fits in the team honestly. He's not a good enough passer to be a no. 10. He's not a good enough finisher to be a no. 9. He doesn't defend well enough to be a winger (nor does he have the pace) . He's gifted when he wants to be but those times are few and far between. Sturridge up top with origi as sub/ rotation.


30 Aug 2016 17:38:01
Couldn't agree with u more. Saying the same thing for a while too. He's not clinical, but wastes too many passes and chances. Drop him and play studge, mane and courts up front now.


30 Aug 2016 17:41:27
There can be no justification for Firmino up front and it didn't work more often than it did. People mention the wins against Chelsea and City last season. In Chelsea we were poor first half and finished it level thanks to a wonder goal from Couts. Half time Firmino was substituted with Benteke if I remember correctly. City had a really poor game and I don't think it was much thanks to Firmino. Playing without a striker misfired more often than not like in our poor away game in Dortmund. Firmino can be very good behind the strikers as well. There is no justification in the world Lallana is starting and Origi and Studge are on the bench.


30 Aug 2016 18:26:27
Interesting analysis. I see it as follows with each having their strengths so I expect Klopp to rotate quite a bit.

Firmino - good at the high press and works well in a fluid front 3, but needs other goalscorers around him to take advantage of the chances he creates and to get into the box when he pulls wide.

Sturridge - our most talented and clinical finisher but he looks a bit sullen at times and he's lost that explosive speed to get in behind defenders. Great when the team is on form but tends to drift too deep when we aren't. Also not as good at holding off defenders and providing an outlet when we're under pressure. Works brilliantly in a twin striker setup.

Origi - probably the best all-rounder of the three and the most natural lone CF, good at holdup play, good in the air, good at getting in behind defenders, but on the flip side he's still a bit raw and not yet as clinical as Sturridge, or as good at pressing/ movement as Firmino.

Overall I can see why Klopp uses Firmino upfront away from home in tough games, as his incessant chasing of the ball stops any easy build up of play from the back for the opposition, and it also creates the odd mistake for him or others to put away on the break. Oddly enough, I think Firminos main weakness upfront is not having another Mane on the other wing. two wide men of Mane's pace and finishing ability would really enhance Firminos impact as a false 9 - Coutinho just doesn't give the same dangerous runs in behind and clinical finishing.

Against away games against weaker opposition, or home games where the certain teams are going to pack the box and play on the break, I would rather Klopp go with Origi. We need his consistent physical presence in the area for the wide players to aim at, and we sorely missed that vs. Burnely. Alternatively I'd even go with twin strikers and put on both Origi and Sturridge. Can't understand why we haven't seen that yet, I think they'll be dynamite together with Mane and Coutinho delivering balls into the box from out wide.

Finally, against sides that look to come and play at Anfield, I'd like see Sturridge on the pitch to try exploit the spaces that creates. With a home game, plenty of possession, and space on offer, I can't see many more dangerous players in world football than Sturridge on the break, I just hope he can regain some of that explosive pace again and make those runs in behind. He was a joy to watch in 13/ 14 feeding on Hendo/ Coutinho's through balls.


30 Aug 2016 19:44:51
Firmino is a brilliant player, just look at his record of Goals/ Assists last season, for an attacking midfielder playing his first season in a new league, he was very good. I agree that I prefer Sturridge leading the line, but Firmino should be in our best team. Last season his critics popped up now and then on here, but after a brilliant display they quickly his themselves, Villereal, Arsenal, Man City etc He doesn't always pull everything off, and so he does lose the ball, but at least he is trying things, and not just passing sideways.


30 Aug 2016 19:55:48
Agree with a lot of the OP but team Studge?

I'm with Team LFC and what the manager feels is best is best. Liverpool have been patient with Sturridge now Sturridge needs to be patient with Liverpool.

No doubt he will get back into the first 11 but he can't expect or think he has a right to get straight back in after his injuries. Origi and Frimino did well in his absence and Sturridge will have to earn his starting berth.


30 Aug 2016 20:06:51
Origi
Coutinho Firmino Mané.


30 Aug 2016 20:24:02
Studge all day for me, on his day he is on another level.

i like origi a lot too, think they would make a decent partnership to be honest.

Firmino i think is better deeper. Could easily replay GW and Lallana at the moment in mf just based on current form. That being said i like firmino a lot and think technically he is extremely good but sometimes he does get a little lost.

We also can't forget about Ingsy! can't see him getting on the pitch that easily though, which is a shame, but if Klopp is playing with 1 up top or a front 3 i can't really see Ingsy playing at all. At least if a few injuries strike we would have a good striker to bring in. I feel sorry for the lad though awful luck to have that injury and he always works 110%.


31 Aug 2016 00:14:31
The OP is right regarding Firmino. The things he can do, no other striker we have can do. He was superb vs Spurs and has been vs big teams in big games as well. I will say that we can play Studge or Origi with Firmino in behind, especially vs teams who park the bus. Studge has no demands to make because he was injured for a very long time and the club stuck with him throughout hence, he needs to work harder, just like Origi and Firmino did to get the starts, and stop moaning because Klopp owes him nothing.


31 Aug 2016 03:19:09
Firmino and lallana are no. 1 losers of possession. But they are good in Klopp's good books.


30 Aug 2016 12:54:42
Hey eds and reds hope you are all well. Question for ed001 if he's about, just wanted to get your opinion on Roberto firmnho as a player and what you think his best position is. As I'm still quiet usure on him to be honest he has his games were he is quality and shows a lot of skill and works hard but then other games he is none existent loses the ball a lot and looks quite slow. Just struggle to make my mind up on him!
Many thanks and Have a good day!

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{Ed001's Note - for me he needs to play alongside another striker or just off him. He needs help up top as he likes to run out wide.}

30 Aug 2016 21:43:16
Thanks for the reply Mate.


31 Aug 2016 00:19:04
With you on that, Ed. Last season, we were pretty lethal with Firmino playing off Studge or Origi hence, I think we should play that way. On the flip side, if we do that, it will mean that both Wiji and Lallana will have to drop to the bench because Hendo and Can should be the first choice pair in midfield. Does he want to do that or willing to do that? We shall see.


30 Aug 2016 14:41:12
I am struggling to understand how managers like mourinho, guardiola and conte are getting the results with new signings buy still managing to deal with the crap players left behind by the previous managers. For us we are 'learning from every loss' or bad performance.

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{Ed002's Note - It is the desparate need that Liverpool has to spend every season in transition.}

30 Aug 2016 15:18:06
There is also the fact that they are inheriting squads that have been in the top 4 pretty much every one of the previous ten seasons so by definition these squads only need tweaking. Liverpool's average position over the last seven seasons is actually between 6th and 7th suggesting the need for bigger changes either by buying new players or improving the current players through training both of which will take longer.
These wholesale changes seem to have been going on ever since Souness took over the last Liverpool team to win the league title.


{Ed002's Note - When Gerrard takes over as manager will he also need a couple of seasons in transition?}

30 Aug 2016 15:30:13
Ed002, no need for Gerrard to have traditional seasons. He will be prosecuted by the FA as soon as he puts pen to paper 😀.


{Ed002's Note - Only if he returns as a player.}

30 Aug 2016 15:45:43
Ed, really hope the Gerrard comment was tongue in cheek?


30 Aug 2016 16:06:50
We are 3 games in. 3. Many teams have won their first 5 games and ended up battling relegation. Calm the hell down.


30 Aug 2016 16:55:37
woolback are there actual teams who have battled relegation after winning first 5 games or is this like those stats that liverpool fans invent to prove a point.


30 Aug 2016 16:59:55
Chelsea finished below Liverpool last season and Man Utd finished 5th. let's see how they get on this season. I agree with Ed002. Less of the excuses, time to put up.


30 Aug 2016 17:13:26
Moyes, anyone can come up with stats to prove a point, 78% of people know that.


30 Aug 2016 17:24:14
lol irish ;)


30 Aug 2016 18:12:45
Haha. Behave Ed! It's true up until this year where I believe Mr Klopp said that it's now his team, no excuses this year!


{Ed002's Note - So if you are disagreeing with me then you think he is stupid enough. Maybe you are right and Klopp is that stupid. Do you look like a potato?}

30 Aug 2016 18:35:08
If you put a % sign in your comment, 68% of people will believe it even if it's wrong.


30 Aug 2016 13:31:30
Hey eds

Do you just expect outgoings today?

No last minute suprises.

I am and i am not happy with the business we have done we have strengthed a lot and have had dept to some areas that we previously lacked, however i did expect to see a lb and established cdm, i think stewart can do a job but i don't think he is the polished. Milner at lb isn't an improvement defensively but i think going forward he offers a little bit more then moreno.

I think matip and lovren can become a strong combination, i know for awhile now we have struggled defensively but you can't blame that all on the defence are midfield just seem to let players dance past them as we are more focused on going forward then we are defensively.
Thats just my 2 cents worth anyway.

Dev.

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

30 Aug 2016 13:41:26
For a side with top 4/ title ambitions not having a decent, specialist LB is criminal. Hats off to whoever messed up getting our priority LB signings in. let's hope Milner can settle into that LB slot and do a job until January.


30 Aug 2016 14:17:59
We have no ambition mate that's the problem.


30 Aug 2016 14:46:30
Just outgoing Dev mate. We are done with incomings.


30 Aug 2016 14:54:15
No ambition? Klopp is clearly happy with Moreno and Milner as the LB options, I don't know why everyone is struggling so hard to understand that.


30 Aug 2016 14:56:02
Not just left back is it? Clyne is abysmal too. Cannot believe it hasn't been sorted. 2 2 best centre backs in world football couldn't keep clean sheets with our full backs.

wouldn't disagree with red man rues tbh.


30 Aug 2016 14:56:08
Klopp has no ambition or the owners? Klopp for sure does as for me do the owners.


30 Aug 2016 14:58:41
Don't think ambition is the problem. Liverpool lost its way regarding transfers a long time ago and we're currently trying to rectify that. Problem is we're choosing the wrong fights to get tough and losing priority targets as a result. Besides a GK, the LB was top of the list to sort out and through our off-kilter transfer policy we still have that problem going into the season.


30 Aug 2016 13:08:25
Hi eds, any truth Sakho has been told to go on loan to save his anfield career? That he has a future if he revives his career somewhere else this season? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - No, clubs do not say things like that to players. He is going on loan as the club can't sell him.}

30 Aug 2016 14:58:13
Hi ED so with the club looking to send Sakho out on loan do you think we will be bringing someone in? Thanks ED.


{Ed002's Note - No, even Klopp is not stupid enough to buy players to replace those on loan. Liverpool's squad was far too large - they have not been able to sell players so they have screwed up agaain and we are seeing further unmanaged loans.}

30 Aug 2016 17:43:32
I don't like seeing all my favourite players being thrown away. sturridge is still hanging in there, but he's the opposite of everything klopp wants in a player, so i guess it won't be long now. I don't know what to make of this season. I know its only been 4 competitive games but i'm seeing the exact same problems as last season. klopps inability to change and mind boggling tactics. No doubt we will improve this season but klopp will continue to shoot himself in the foot so the best we can hope for is a fight for top 4 spot, which I think is achievable.


30 Aug 2016 22:07:09
Would think loan deals for players we are trying to move on are preferable to keeping them at Anfield if we can't find buyers. A very different situation to 'unmanaged' loans for youth players we want to develop, where we do seem to have improved.


{Ed002's Note - No, it is a real mess at Liverpool as ever. Stop looking for feeble excuses.}

30 Aug 2016 12:30:57
Is Lovren part of the clubs long term plans?

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{Ed002's Note - The club is not looking to sell.}

30 Aug 2016 12:10:00
Don't know enough about Luan or Coric to comment on them really, know enough about our team to see that going forward isn't as much of an issue as going back. Would prefer us to spend big on a LB than on a forward. Sturridge, Ings, Firmino, Origi, Coutinho and Mane give us enough going forward. Moreno covered by Milner is ridiculous at LB.

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30 Aug 2016 12:42:54
We are nowhere near clinical enough, I still see going forward as a problem, beit solvable from within or not right now we create enough chance but don't score.

Couldn't break burnley down
Missed a hatful of chances against spurs.


30 Aug 2016 14:32:46
Yet we have scored more goals than any other premier league team in 2016. The others must be really bad 😄.


30 Aug 2016 11:13:05
Hi Ed's

With Everton looking to build a new Stadia at Bramley-Moore dock, was this an option we had considered? Obviously it wouldn't make financial sense to build a whole new Stadium for an Extra 15,000 or so seats but with the amount of space there, could we have built a bigger stadium? Transport links I would say are pretty good?!

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - the plan was always to stay at Anfield if possible. We were always going to end up staying in Stanley Park mate.}

30 Aug 2016 11:38:35
Cheers Ed.


30 Aug 2016 12:05:22
There will be public opposition to this project if any council tax revenue is used to fund it in any way, ground or surrounding infrastructure.


30 Aug 2016 12:14:23
Because it was cheaper .


30 Aug 2016 09:29:59
Just wondering what the latest on Sakho is, is he going or is he staying?

Would you keep him or get rid

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has really changed Josh. Klopp wants Sakho gone. The asking price is too high. He will therefore likely have to go on loan. Sakho has rejected the opportunity to join Stoke City. I suspect he might have an opportunity to join West Brom else he will end up another of Liverpool's unmanaged panic loans.}

30 Aug 2016 10:05:04
Do you think Sakho will be missed?
I am not his biggest fan by any means but feel its a bit of a shame.


{Ed002's Note - Klopp has added two others and clearly likes Lovren so I guess he will be happy.}

30 Aug 2016 12:49:13
He certainly seemed to improve as the season (last) went on. Granted, he looked like Bambi on ice initially but I think the fans like/ d him.


30 Aug 2016 22:15:09
FFS! Can we not grasp the rather obvious: that the club's / Klopp's problem with Sakho is not related to his footballing ability, but to his attitude? For this reason the club wants him gone, whether on loan or preferably sold. I'm guessing that the sale price will not be Klopp's sole decision. As for panic decisions we'll be in a position to judge tomorrow.


30 Aug 2016 09:17:49
Morning Eds, I know you hate these kind of questions but it's fun speculation for us. Are there any murmurs that Liverpool will do any unexpected transfer business (i. e. other than shift fringe players) before the the transfer window closes tomorrow?

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{Ed002's Note - Players will be leaving today and tomorrow - some on loan and some permanently.}

30 Aug 2016 11:25:21
Thanks Ed2, looks like it will be a pretty run of the mill deadline day for Liverpool fans then.


30 Aug 2016 08:01:31
Morning redmen,

Missed me? I'm back from my hols and here's this weeks loan update.

Ryan Kent and Barnsley are up to 3rd in the championship after a 4-0 win over Rotherham.
Kent played the full 90 and scored the 4th in the last few minutes of the game.

Allan was an unused sub as hertha berlin kicked off their season with s 2-1 win over freiberg.

Danny ward kept a clean sheet In what I understand was an impressive performance as Huddersfield beat wolves 1-0.
Huddersfield now top the championship.

Wigan and bogdan lost 1-0 in the championship as qpr scored their only shot on target.

Jack Dunn played for 75 minutes as Morecombe came from 2 goals down to beat Accrington Stanley 3-2.

It was a bad day in the office for Ryan Fulton as chesterfield lost 3-1 at home to millwall.

Flannaghan was not in the Burnley squad.

And that's your lot.

I see today that wisdom has agreed to join salzberg on a season long loan so I will add that to the list.

Also awoniyi is yet to feature for his new club. Are there any deals I have missed over the last week or so?

Cheers redmen.

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30 Aug 2016 08:53:12
Thanks Carra, fingers crossed the list gets longer before the end of tomorrow.


30 Aug 2016 08:49:59
Cheers carra.


30 Aug 2016 09:06:44
Lloyd Jones played the first 60 minutes for Swindon against Bristol Rovers before the match was abandoned.

Sam Hart made his League debut for Port Vale as a substitute.

Awoniyi is training with Nijmegen and has passed the medical but there is still no sign of his Dutch work permit.


30 Aug 2016 10:00:13
Thanks ritters,

Cheers everyone.


30 Aug 2016 12:21:27
What is the point of all this if flanagan was not even in the burnely squad. I would have thought they agreement would have been done with some assurance over playing time.

Would have much prefered he stayed and played lb for us like he did 2013/ 14.


{Ed002's Note - Klopp didn't want him. Liverpool's history of managing players who are sent on loan is appalling.}

30 Aug 2016 07:48:46
I know the Eds are sick of LB questions but is there the chance that we've got a potential world beater in the youth sides that isn't deemed ready for the first team yet and that's why we're not throwing money at it now?

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

30 Aug 2016 09:11:11
Cheers Ed001 - thought there may have been someone up and coming who could challlenge for a spot, obviously there isn't.


{Ed001's Note - we were looking at a young full back precisely because there is no one coming through.}

30 Aug 2016 06:51:28
Hi All

First time posting.

Just wanted you all to spare a thought for Tom Jackson and his family.
If you aren't aware Tom was stabbed several times while trying to save a fellow backpacker in Australia. She passed away at the scene and Tom had been fighting for his life for the last week.

Sadly, Tom lost his fight this afternoon.

I don't know Tom or his Family but this man is a hero and I think everyone should know about him and his selfless act in putting himself in harm's way, hence I am posting.

Incidentally - Tom was a massive Liverpool fan.

RIP Tom, YNWA.

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30 Aug 2016 07:53:55
YNWA Tom Rip.


30 Aug 2016 08:51:11
Rip Tom YNWA.


30 Aug 2016 10:37:01
I did know Tom, he's from my hometown. He was a top guy, and the way he lost his life tells you everything you need to know about him.

I'll make sure his family see the kind words you wrote.

YNWA.


30 Aug 2016 10:37:01
I did know Tom, he's from my hometown. He was a top guy, and the way he lost his life tells you everything you need to know about him.

I'll make sure his family see the kind words you wrote.

YNWA.


30 Aug 2016 12:32:27
RIP Tom, a vey sad ending to a selfless act of great courage.


30 Aug 2016 04:34:26
Eds. Is Ings hurt? All quiet except for the loan bid.
Love the player, the effort. love to fit him into the starting 11.
I've lost jurgen's cell. Can you phone him up and see if he can play left back?

Thanks for the consideration.

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{Ed001's Note - no injury that I am aware of, he just isn't being picked. He is not a left back.}

30 Aug 2016 05:09:38
I assume due to fitness reasons Ed due to his previous long term injury?


{Ed001's Note - I think it is more that he is fourth choice to be honest, right now.}

30 Aug 2016 05:45:58
He's not even made the bench for the first three league games. Hard to see him getting any substantial minutes at all this season and wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him want to move on in January or next summer.


30 Aug 2016 05:53:05
That's sad to hear ed, he just has to get his head down, work hard and show Klopp how good he is, something I'm sure Ings will do being the grafter that he is.


30 Aug 2016 07:12:36
Ive a feeling that a few injuries to other players might get him some game time this season. If so, he will get his chance to shine.


30 Aug 2016 07:19:49
its impossible to show how good you are unless you are not actually playing. ask tex, suso, and many others. as of now the formation we play in, Ings is surplus to requirements no matter how good he is. even if we sell studger ( Ings won't get game time) . unfortunately for us, Ings would have to move to help his club and England and that's a darn shame. We have strikers dying to get out there but we just can't field them. I still believe a 4-4-2 against smaller oppositions would help our cause and of course our strikers too. we have 4 strikers all of them are good, this is most likely going to be a season where we can challenge top 4 and other cup trophies. we have no european commitments. we have to try 4-4-2 or anything with two strikers upfront. our current formation worked in 2 games, did not work in 2 games, so that's 50-50. i don't see the harm in putting two strikers upfront at home against Leicester and get at them. i don't say just to field 2 strikers because we have them, i just say so because its unfair to studger ings and origi in a way because they are quality strikers. I for one cannot fathom why lallana, wijnaldum have more game time against our strikers. i just think in coutinho firmino lallana we have too many technical players (and not finishers) up the pitch. strategies are difficult to develop, moreso when you one too many players. so i'd say either sell the strikers for profit, or just find a way to get them in first team and rotate, i don't see the point in proven goal scorers not starting. i always ask myself when i see the team sheet- who has more chance of scoring - firmino, coutinho, lallana or studger/ ings. answer is pretty simple for me. anyways i guess there wouldn't be harm in trying a two striker partnership.


30 Aug 2016 08:16:37
Shame really because Firmino ain't no striker. He deserves a run if you ask me.


30 Aug 2016 09:10:24
He's been a regular for the U23's. Bet he's well pleased about that!


30 Aug 2016 09:14:22
Bonkers really given the effort that went into signing him. I think he's probably got more goals in him than Firminho and would rather play an actual striker up front rather than an attacking mid.


30 Aug 2016 11:40:46
Yeah it's a shame that he is so low in the pecking order. I would like to seem him given a bit of game time. I do miss us playing with 2 up to to be honest and i don't really see firmino as a out and out striker, he is a quality player if a little inconsistent but if i had to pick out of firmino or ings up top i would put ingsy up there every time.


30 Aug 2016 04:31:46
Surely with options thinning It wouldn't be such a bad idea to visit our feeder club for Ryan Bertrand, he's looked solid for a couple of seasons now and has consistently been one of the league's best left back. As we known any Southampton player is available for the right price.

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30 Aug 2016 09:08:43
Its definitely an opportunity to use those pts accumulated on our vip card.


30 Aug 2016 12:58:52
Don`t we get cash back off the VIP credit card we have with the Saints?


30 Aug 2016 13:35:13
I'm looking forward to how Boufal gets on there this year before he travels up north to us.


30 Aug 2016 01:33:17
Early days but Mane could be our next great winger. Before he signed the majority of us were against the signing due to attitude or consistency concerns but boy has he proven us wrong, in fact he's been our most dangerous player in all games played so far, maybe he needed the move to a top club to give him become more consistent. With all the talk of genetically enhanced athletes flying around, Mane is the perfect winger, lightening quick, strong as an ox, great dribbler, skillful, good final ball, vision to make the pass and now seems to have found some consistency, also didn't go missing in either big game (Spurs and Arsenal) . Long may it continue.

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30 Aug 2016 03:08:22
hmm just wait until he goes missing a few times or gets caught with the kind of facials that sturridge has over the weekend.


30 Aug 2016 07:10:27
I think your user name "Faithinworks" is a little misplaced ;)


30 Aug 2016 10:01:00
@TheLiagMagician

I certainly wasn't against his signing and neither were a number of others on here.

I tell who were though, the usual moaners and "I know besters" on here who think they know a player because of video games and failing that hang off every word ed001 says as gospel.

Oh ed001 says he's unsure of his attitude? Then we must all bitch and moan about him signing because Ed raised a a concern. Laughable really.


{Ed001's Note - do you have to be a complete bell about it? Perhaps just because you have a different opinion from them it might have been formed by also looking at the evidence. The way his performances fell off for Southampton after a few good early games. But you must know best because he has played twice and that is all you need to judge a signing on apparently. By the way, your post is the biggest 'I know best' post of all, so you really should keep those stones away.}

30 Aug 2016 12:34:59
Honestly ed1 and 2, I don't know why you even bother giving your opinion these days, especially when its usually one of us asking specifically for your opinion. Keep up the good work.


30 Aug 2016 13:02:36
Puzzled, I was against his signing ONLY due to his attitude and his inconsistency in performances and NOT due to his talent or ability as he as loads of them and I did not need any of the ED`s to tell me that as I have my eyes and a brain to form an opinion. And NO, I don`t play video games as it is a waste of time and brain matter.


30 Aug 2016 15:35:15
Puzzled, people don't hang off the eds' every word but they do value their opinion on the game as they have a better understanding of it than the vast majority of us if not all, therefore we look to learn info from them, both transfer and general knowledge and use it to form our own opinions. As for the Mane issue yes ed001 gave us info about him missing team meetings behind the scenes which was very helpful but many had questions over mane's attitude and consistency just from the fact that he went on a goal/ assist drought for a large portion of the season, questions he is quickly answering.


 
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