Liverpool Banter Archive July 30 2015

30 Jul 2015 18:58:37
Hi Eds, just wondering, other than in goal, is there a position you think still needs to be strengthened?
Maybe more Centre Backs, only joking. Do you think we now simply need to move on a few players & then concentrate on achieving working formation with a first choice 11? Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - for me we just need to ship players out now.}

30 Jul 2015 20:31:30
Manager ?

30 Jul 2015 23:07:43
Look don't get me wrong it is a mystery how rodgers is still at club and i was one of the people that wanted him out but surely we have to do a clean slate and go again, get behind the manager, the team and hope he has learnt from his mistakes.

30 Jul 2015 23:40:59
Agree lfclee, I thought he completely lost the plot last season with his selections and strategy but he's here and it's a new season with fresh staff and ideas. At least for now there seems to be a clearer idea of how he wants the team to play and who's in his first 11 so let's hope we start well and last year was a blip!

31 Jul 2015 06:38:13
Last season was not a blip, its the norm. The season before was the blip.

31 Jul 2015 09:41:11
Learnt from his mistakes? He's making the very same mistakes again right now! He's an arrogant little man who thinks he is God's gift to football and anything that goes wrong it's the players to blame, the scouts to blame. Anyone but him.

31 Jul 2015 11:08:32
I did say let's hope he has learnt from mistakes haha

31 Jul 2015 18:24:24
Got to love the Nose, he is a legend.

31 Jul 2015 18:52:02
I think you may be hoping for a long time Lee unfortunately!

30 Jul 2015 16:16:26
Is there any point in getting a membership at this point? Just been onto the club site and apparently every game up to Boxing Day is already sold out, surely some mistake??

{Ed002's Note - It seems unusual to release tickets that far ahead. As I recall the membership tickets are done by ballot, so if you don't have membership you don't have that opportunity.}

30 Jul 2015 17:49:01
There are two membership sales one in July for first part of the season and one in November for the second part, but they do have a late members sale for every game which this season is a fortnight before each game. I hope this helps.

30 Jul 2015 22:21:02
It's not a mistake. All the home games for the first part of the season go on sale at the same time. Your best bet with the membership is Europa League and domestic cup games mate

{Ed007's Note - Do you know if that' s that normal in England or is it only at Liverpool?}

30 Jul 2015 23:49:43
This is exactly what I was wondering. I really want to go and watch a game live having never managed to get tickets for one. Wanna know if I actually stand a chance getting tickets with a membership.

31 Jul 2015 03:18:15
Surely ed 7 tickets are only released a few wks b4 each game?

31 Jul 2015 08:11:34
I14m defo get a membership tickets are sometimes re-released closer to the actual game at around 8:00am you have to be quick, you stand little chance of getting a ticket via general sale, hospitality tickets are always available but are pricey. Good luck mate

31 Jul 2015 08:23:59
No DBOL is correct in how the tickets are sold. It's been the same for the last 3 or 4 seasons. Before that the tickets were sold about a month before each game. The new system is crazy and favours the wealthy

31 Jul 2015 13:19:13
You could try your local supporters club. I know the one near me has a few season tickets and they are split between the members. I know a few local people in liverpool so i can get a ticket of them when i can get over. Getting them online is hard. Just don't go to touts or sites extorting the fans for profit.

31 Jul 2015 15:22:31
Cheers square tomato. Ile get a membership and hopefully get up to see a few games this season.

30 Jul 2015 15:22:46
What are the chances of us getting thrashed by Stoke again? I have to say I'm slightly worried. That "sacked in the morning" chant last year is still ringing in my ear. This time Rodgers has no excuse, and I can't help but worry that we are going to be poor. We keep hoping Rodgers has learned; but it's hard to overlook our starting two center backs; the main problem being skrtel. I'll be honest, I'd almost rather see Gomez and Ilori start than that combination again, though I still don't get why sakho and Ilori STILL hasn't been tried.

30 Jul 2015 15:31:33
If you think UTD with their new recruits need time to settle down, Y not Liverpool with over 7 bought in?
I expect a draw at the best.

30 Jul 2015 15:34:33
I realize ilori hasn't been in the squad because of Portugal duty but surely this Helsinki friendly he will be there. Although Ed002 saying that we are looking for a loan just irritates me to no end, because it'll probably happen. It's interesting that we have guaranteed playing time to so many players; how can we even fit that many on the bench?

{Ed002's Note - I didn't say anything about Liverpool looking for a loan for Ilori. Liverpool tried to sell Ilori but scared off all interested parties with the asking price.}

30 Jul 2015 16:04:45
Yeah it was ed1 that implied the club are sounding out a loan for Ilori - or something to that effect.

30 Jul 2015 16:25:32
It seems we are a few windows behind. When we sold Suarez we needed goals. We've actually attempted to bring in a goalscorer now. And it's plain obvious we need a goalkeeper and new top class defenders. We'll sort that next summer and maybe then we'll get back in the top 4

30 Jul 2015 16:26:59
EG, what are you talking about? What relevance does it have to the OP's comments?

In response to OP, I will reserve judgement until I see the teamsheet for Stoke!

30 Jul 2015 16:43:58
Hey Ed 002. Makes no sense this Ilori scenario. If LFC / Rogers does not think that Ilori will cut it at the required level how come the asking price to sell him is too high for other clubs? Sounds contradictory

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have asked too much for a number of players - Balotelli is another.}

30 Jul 2015 17:02:01
Zeddius

We have some new players and it would take time to bed in ( I guess ). Stoke has done quite good this window and it would be a tough match and I expect a draw.

Ok mate?

30 Jul 2015 17:23:37
My apologies ed002. Forgot it was an attempt to sell instead of loan.

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}

30 Jul 2015 19:09:28
EG you started your comment with "If you think UTD with their new recruits need time to settle down". He didn't mention United?

30 Jul 2015 19:21:42
Why do people keep getting on Skrtel's back. He was by far our best defender last year. Everyone ha an opinion, but most people i speak to agree

30 Jul 2015 20:23:01
Tele, you must be watching another player who is NOT Skrtel. I suggest you go watch him last season closely and see how aweful he actully is

31 Jul 2015 11:31:28
A lot of Skrtels mistakes are passed off as his partners mistakes by a lot of people I talk to

31 Jul 2015 14:09:02
Calm, which is why is say that people should use their eyes and make these judgements for themselves because I used to believe that Skrtel was great as well until Ed01 kept saying to watch him closely and BOOM, I started to see all the flaws in his game and truth be told, he`s getting worse YET The Defensive Guru in BR thinks he`s our best CB. Says a lot more about BR`s incompetence in this area than it says about Skittles being a poor player. Crap even Carra who played with him for 5 yrs, ranted about him on Sky as being hopeless yet many on here drink the Koolaid of "if he plays every game then he must be the best". Rubbish!! He plays every game because we have a coach who can`t recognize a good CB like Sahko when he sees one.

30 Jul 2015 13:24:12
I was just wondering what people thought a successful season would look like. For me it's top 4. Nothing else matters (unfortunately!). If Rodgers doesn't make top 4: he's out.
But, which club will we displace if we are to get into this top 4? Chelsea are safe. Spurs have regressed and won't challenge. Arsenal appear progressive. That leaves the two Manchester clubs and us - fighting for the two remaining places.
Now, if you ask me each of these three clubs did the their best to throw away a top 4 place last season with some awful performances - particularly toward the end of the season. Yet all three have perhaps kept their managers.
In my opinion, whoever is to make the top 4 this season will depend on several issues:
1. Strengthening of squad; and the ability of new additions settle quickly.
2. Exactly what the respective managers of these 3 clubs have learned from last seasons deficiencies.
3. "Luck" - luck with injuries, luck during games, fixtures, suspensions, even luck with the weather during games, as well as luck with a myriad of other factors.

(Apologies for the long post. )
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

30 Jul 2015 13:52:12
For a successful season top 4 has to be in the bag and a trophy, it has been too long since we added to our collection.

For us to get top 4 then it has to be a toss between city and united.
city haven`t strengthened upto now added to their aging squad and pellegrini proved to be Not all that last season.

As for united, if they don`t fix their center back issues then they could just drop out of the top 4 plus if they don`t add a world class striker then they will struggle. Personally i don`t see rooney as a 20+ goal scorer to be honest.

30 Jul 2015 14:17:20
It'll be tough but if we were to displace a team I would guess city but only due to Pellegrini, not squad strength. And Spurs haven't regressed, finished last season strong and will only get better Imo

30 Jul 2015 14:22:03
So far then we've strengthened better than both Manchester clubs. And Rodgers (despite his well-documented faults) has potential to learn from the mistakes of last season than Van Gaal and Pelligrini - it's whether our luck holds! United have always been a lucky shower!

30 Jul 2015 14:22:17
We will finish top 3 along with Chelsea and City.

30 Jul 2015 14:17:20
It'll be tough but if we were to displace a team I would guess city but only due to Pellegrini, not squad strength. And Spurs haven't regressed, finished last season strong and will only get better Imo

30 Jul 2015 14:46:57
Ron reminds me of the blind optimist George played by Hugh Laurie in Blackadder Goes Forth.

30 Jul 2015 15:02:45
Chelsea will hit the ground running faster than any other club, Not much addition and they wold be off quickly and by december they would be at least 9 points better than Arsenal.
It would be the London clubs to fight for the title as Arsenal would challenge Chelsea.
UTD will have a strong second half, they do have some players and are not done in the window yet.
Liverpool will fight with City for the 4th Spot.

My opinion.

30 Jul 2015 15:11:13
I think success is very subjective term, missing 4th by 1 point and losing in three finals would be subjectively bad but objectively we would have had to win a lot of matches to get there.

I think a better barometer for a successful season would be 'what's the minimum Rodgers needs to do to keep his job?' The target for Liverpool is to challenge for and win the league title but I don't think Rodgers will be sacked if we 'only' come second so there needs to be a wider definition. The team (including the management) need to demonstrate progress, to me that means taking more points off the big teams and being more consistent against teams below us. Last season we went from relegation form to title winning form and back to relegation form, such a large swing can't happen again. Overall if we get 75 points and come 5th I think that's OK as long as we're competing all the way.

30 Jul 2015 15:14:56
I don't think pelegrini is a bad manager lol. We won't be displacing city because of him. It really comes down to a few things.
1. Is aguero fit? Sterling is going to need him, just because he thrived with a superstar in Suarez as well.

2. Did Yaya get his birthday cake?

3. Did Rodgers learn anything from last season?

4. And I assume we are going to have to cope without sturridge more often than not, but if he stays fit it would be a huge boost.

30 Jul 2015 15:15:46
We will have more than 10 points between us and top 4 by the end of this season. We have been in the top 4 only once in the last six seasons (same as Spurs) and this was with a guy called Luis Suarez when United had the worst season in decades. Other than that season United have finished top 2 since I don't know how many years. City finished top 2 last four seasons. They both invested a lot this summer in some quality players. Their managers are better. Give my one reason why it will be different this season.

30 Jul 2015 15:48:01
@Muscatred,
Yours is an interesting perspective. Stated like a true fan of a more 'innocent' footballing era. Unfortunately todays premier league is all about top 4 - and nothing less.

For example, take Manchester United of last season. United fans were over the moon at having secured a top 4 slot.
To United fans this was "success". When in actual fact they were appalling. This assessment is not based on my obvious distaste of all things United - they really were dreadful. Dreadful! And in fact only made top 4 bcoz we were even worse!!
Nevertheless, because they made top 4 Van Gaal is now a genius. The football he served and the entertainment he failed to provide is forgotten. This is the fickle footballing era we are now in.
Alec Ferguson won all he did with style and panache. A generation of United fans grew up on his (mainly) exciting brand of football. Shame on them for accepting the drool served up by Van Gaal and terming it 'successful'! Again though, this is the Premier League era.
Meanwhile back at Liverpool: we want only top 4 - and at all costs. Unfortunately I'm in this bracket too. Perhaps I need to re-assess.
By the way, I happen to think that Van Gaal is a circus clown and in the long run it might be great for us that he signed long term with United.

30 Jul 2015 15:51:33
Treble.sorted

30 Jul 2015 16:54:07
Somefella, I completely get you. Objectively Utd had a poor season, they spent more than we did, their biggest signings couldn't get in the team and they only got 4th because we imploded. But as you rightly point out utd fans are happy because they made fourth. I understand this I just think it's a very short-sighted way of looking at things.

30 Jul 2015 17:05:43
Some fella - firstly you talk about united's "luck" , yet we had over 50 injuries last season to deal with. We also had a new manager who had never managed in the premiership before. You on the other hand had an experienced premier league manager and far less injuries than us. I'd say your luck was better than ours.

As for us having a "successful" season, me nor any United fan I know ever said last season was successful! We had a target to reach of achieving champions league football again after the Moyes disaster. That goal was achieved! By doing that, we had the windfall of cash that comes with it, makes a difference to sponsors etc , and players who want CL football * see Morgan Schneiderlin.

We haven't settled for fourth like your lot. Or one cup in 9 years like your lot. So keep kidding yourself.

I read above how Liverpool have done better business than United , yet last season highlighted 3 key areas you needed stregnthening to me. KEEPER, CENTRAL DEFENCE, DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER.

Of these 3 weak positions you have strengthened NONE. Insead you signed Milner who you didn't need, purely because he was a free agent. Had he been £10m you wouldn't of bothered. You already have Henderson, Can etc. you also sign Bogdan, again, no inprovement. Next up its Ings. Fair enough he's potential but for a fee of around £8m why bother? I mean where does that leave the £10m Origi now? Was he needed?

Firmino I'm sure will do well but you have PC who will defo play and £30m Lallana , where does he figure now?

Benteke, a beast on his day. But he drifts in and out of game and is very injury prone. He can share the table with the lad made of crisps (Sturridge)

I'm also not sure Moreno is up to it. He gets caught out of position time and again.

So you have have signed a few good players. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right for the team. I'm not convinced Brenda will learn. He hasn't in 3 years why now?

City won't drop out of top 4. Chelsea to win. Arsenal push them to the last week or two. It will be a toss up of us and you. If we sign a top CB and top Forward before the window closes, I think we will comfortable make top 4.

No matter how poor we were at times last season, our record against the top 4 teams was the best. We conceded 3rd least in league with a poor defence. And bosses games against you. City and Chelsea.

30 Jul 2015 17:34:51
Wow S-U, touched a nerve did he?

30 Jul 2015 17:46:37
Stand

Mate window remains open for every club, what if Liverpool buy a central midfielder ?

We have an offer on the table for Kovacic ( you got no clue on the player unless you troll )

If stoke makes us sweat on the opening day and Liverpool concede goals through the middle, I expect us to sign a central midfielder before the window closes.

Possible ain't it mate?

30 Jul 2015 17:49:00
If Sturridge was made of crisps then fat boy Rooney would have eaten him by now

30 Jul 2015 17:51:14
Decent honest points from me there muscatred. No bitterness here just my honest opinion

30 Jul 2015 19:32:54
I genuinely think we will win the league next season and I expect the gap to be 12-13 points.

30 Jul 2015 19:44:26
Rooneys a fat b*****d, but still scored more goals that Sturridge will for club and country. Only get 20 games a year out of him. No coincidence why Chelsea and City let him leave.

Be totally honest, who thought you needed a player like Milner?? If Milner was still contracted would you have been happy paying for him? Just don't see the point in either origi or Ings. Won't get any game time just like Borini and Lambert.

Glory- I don't think you have any money left mate

30 Jul 2015 20:26:17
Firstly, to even question Manchester Uniteds 'luck' shows serious historical forgetfulness. Many United fans over the years freely acknowledge this.
In fact, I wasn't really referring to last season but now that you mention it your famous 'luck' was there too i.e. you were dreadful - yet your main rivals for top 4 (Liverpool, City and Spurs) go and pick the same season to be worse - WORSE than dreadful.
Secondly, we won't really know how our signings will pan out till the seasons underway. But there was the small matter of replacing the best premier league player ever. For me the signing of Milner is excellent - he WAS free. He was available and FREE, yes! It was a no-brainier.
As well, in case you hadn't noticed, our strikers couldn't hit a barn door last year therefore the team needed goals more than anything. Big Ben splits opinion among Liverpool fans regarding style of play but he does know where the onion bag is. Ings is young, cheap, English and 'mobile' in that he's suited to our style of play. Neither cost a fortune and neither are in my opinion a 'gamble'. It's good business. If these signings don't work - they can be sold for a profit.
We are attempting to build a good, decent, quality squad. Should we be faulted for that?
You bossed the games against us - we were piss poor most of the season! That's nothing to be boasting about.
Moreno is young and it was his first season in premier league.
We have numerous centre backs and must sell before we can buy. I'm actually happy enough with this window. I would imagine that we will address the defence in coming windows.
Rodgers has split opinion among Liverpool fans, yes. However, much of the coaching staff have been changed with significant experience and improvement, in my opinion.
United on the other hand have bought how many world class centre backs to address their biggest issue? And certainly know how to throw money about - Di Maria was great value. What's that old saying,
"Don't highlight the splinter in your brothers eye, while you have a big fat plank in your own eye".

{Ed001's Note - sorry, how was Milner free? He is costing Liverpool millions.}

30 Jul 2015 20:40:06
I don't think we will get top four with Rogers in charge

30 Jul 2015 21:01:07
Firstly - it's not our luck you were poorer than us! Were you lucky we were poorer than you the year before?

Secondly - as good as Gerard was , to say he's the best ever premier league player is laughable.

Thirdly - if Origi and Ings don't work out you can sell them for a profit? What are you on about? So if origi has a poor season some team will pay more than £10m for him?

Lastly - I really don't think Milner was "free". He didn't leave city to win trophies did he? I'm sure he had a hefty signing on fee, sure his agent did well. Sure he is one of your highest paid players on over £100k and probably plenty of bonus. Oh and Di Maria is just one of them mistakes. You now? Like Robbie Keane, Andy Carroll, Aquilani, Balloteli etc. we all have them

30 Jul 2015 21:07:27
Top 4 for me lads.
But I want to see us learn and do better in Europe. We have been woeful under rodgers. So an improvement is what I would like to see.
After all if we can't make the last 16 in the Europa league, what is the point of getting top 4 and getting are arses kicked in the group stages of the Champions League again?

30 Jul 2015 21:32:17
Somefella.

Milner ll cost Liverpool close to 35 mill over 4 years, how on earth is that a free signing? For someone who is 30 next summer.
What do you think he did not join Arsenal and Roma? Who would pay those insane wages mate?

30 Jul 2015 21:45:51
phooey if we get top 4 and last 16 Europa do us a favour mate let me carry on sleeping.

stand u: you have made a lot of mistakes with players fergie blew millions.
think we will finish outside top 4 ( as Kenny said we exist to win trophies not finish top 4!) so not really bothered either way BR will show us up this season again. can't see us winning anything. we have spent too much money over these last few years to be giving the squad time to settle. we have massively overpayed on players that will turn out to be millstones round the clubs neck when BR gets the boot.

31 Jul 2015 00:47:28
Free transfer = no fee paid to another club. Stop going on about signing on fees and wages etc. If we are including that, then no player is free. Why is this so hard for people to get their heads around? When people say "free" they mean no fee to another club. Everyone knows there are other fees people!

{Ed007's Note - Surely though if supporters want to discuss the finances they need to stick to the facts, if you want to simplify things it's probably best not to discuss them as it will only confuse people.}

31 Jul 2015 03:24:11
Chelsea's boring defensive tactics will run out sooner or later. They play similar to stoke but with better players. United rely on long balls and fouls in strategic areas to slow the game down to their pace. If you don't give in to either of these tactics they'd be easy to beat. We struggle against arsenal becuase they sometimes show up to games and can counter well. City, though they've spent a boat load, have yet to establish staying power and choke under pressue. I believe due to the lack of a team leader.

31 Jul 2015 11:57:18
Think everything you said is fair enough to be honest stand-utd. I think Moreno will do better this season with a back four, and hopefully we will be more settled at the back. However it is just a lot of hoping this season. You made good points and I think most on here agree with them really, that GK,CB,DM has been the problem for a while and unless the team looks better as a unit without Gerrard heving to be played, then it looks like we haven't addressed it again.

30 Jul 2015 10:42:53
I have to admit I don't envy BR. I think he is as surprised as anyone that he is stil the manager. He sounded very downbeat at the end of the season and seemed like he only wanted to get a nice chunk of money and go.

In the summer obviously attention moved to tansfers, comign and going etc but if we don't win in Stoke we will very quickly be exactly at the same place we were after the last time we met them and the pressure on him will be huge. Even if win there somehow, he then has very quickly to negotiatie meeting with in-form Arsenal and United when half of our squad is new and some of our big guns, especially Benteke have hardly trained with the rest of the team.

I will be really surprised if we get more than 9 points after our first 3 games and even that number may be over optimistic. I am always happy to be positivley surprises but just cannot see a strong start for the season from us.

30 Jul 2015 10:53:23
9 points out of our first 5 games obviously

30 Jul 2015 10:53:24
I'll be surprised is we get over 9 points from 3 games too!

30 Jul 2015 10:57:15
I would be more than happy with 9 points from our first 3 games and amazed if we got more!haha assuming you meant something else there mate

30 Jul 2015 11:01:54
Nobody gets more than 3 points a game, so I am really confused when you say ". get more than 9 points after our first 3 games. "

30 Jul 2015 11:03:49
I think 9 points from our first 3 games would be pretty spiffing!!

30 Jul 2015 11:05:27
I will be surprised if any team has more than 9 points after their first 3 games.

30 Jul 2015 11:05:47
Would be a miracle if we have more than 9 points after 3 games!

30 Jul 2015 11:14:58
I'll be surprised if we get more than 9 points after 3 games too. Especially given you can only earn 9 points as a maximimum.

30 Jul 2015 11:16:42
Stoke would prove to be a very difficult test.

30 Jul 2015 11:17:17
Seeing as it's 3 points a game would be very surprised if we got more then 9 points from our first 3 games - even Ferguson couldn't swing that!

Pressure is on BR and he knew that from the tail end of last season. Not the players I would have went for but are good players and he has been backed by the owners, if it fails it is on him.

Wish him luck as want to see us do well! Reckon title is between Arsenal and Chelsea - where United will be the same as us as their starting XI will look a lot different from last season and City tbf need a different starting XI then last season.

Season starts soon so can judge then, but being optimistic as end of the day have a good squad (if unbalanced) with great depth

30 Jul 2015 11:32:00
I think we have to be realistic over the start of the season. It's not just the first 5 games that are tough it's the first 13. I've said before that I think 20 points is the minimum for that period for us to challenge for the top 4 with anything above 25 suggesting we're going to have a great year.

30 Jul 2015 11:43:55
Can imagine the meltdown that will befall this page if we lose or draw the stoke game.

30 Jul 2015 11:49:29
I would definitely share your surprise if we got more than nine points from the first three games.
Or from any three games.

30 Jul 2015 12:40:06
Talk about doom and gloom merchants.

What a joke.

What a joke our fans have become.

What will you do if we smash our first few games?

Ay?

30 Jul 2015 12:45:51
We are Liverpool FC, we should always aim at minimum 12 points out of the first 3 games!

30 Jul 2015 12:58:47
Davey it's a season mate. If we're already several points behind and playing poorly,then something needs to be done.
If we are smashing them,then it needs to be consistent across the whole season. You can't win a league in the first 10 matches,but you can certainly lose one

30 Jul 2015 14:24:29
Unless we win our first 3 games I don't think there is any chance if us getting more than 9 points.

30 Jul 2015 16:43:00
Liverpool will perform well this season IF our new players settle in.

Ron is right, we'll be up there come the end of the season.

We need to concentrate on the league and give the newbrecruits and youngsters a good consistent run of cup games.

30 Jul 2015 20:49:46
You`re funny, Davey. With BR in charge and who doesn`t and has never given a hoot about playing our youth in the academy in fact, he doesn`t even go watch their games, goodluck with that.

30 Jul 2015 08:17:07
A question for eds or anyone else. Since it looks like we won't be buying a DM or a DLP. therefore lucas has to play. but considering his recent injuries. if he got injured do you think milner or can could be used there instead. as in do you people think they have the necessary attributes??
And if not milner ir can, who would you like to see there??
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - Can has been told he will be playing there, but then Wisdom got told he would be given a chance to make the team, so obviously promises mean nothing to our club any more.}

30 Jul 2015 08:44:30
Wouldn't bet against Joe Allen starting the first few games there!

30 Jul 2015 08:52:07
Essex

Had Allen turned up as he was with Swansea, Somne of the very big fan fav names would have been benched for Lifetime.
He is the only CM we have got apart from Rossitter and that would remain as a fact.

30 Jul 2015 08:58:26
Hi, this is for eds1 You say wisdom was told that he would have a chance to make the team. My question is, is that a rumour or has wisdom himself told you that

{Ed001's Note - it is not a rumour, it is what he was told. As was Ilori.}

30 Jul 2015 09:53:09
Is ilori not being given a chance then?

{Ed001's Note - the club have made moves to loan him out.}

30 Jul 2015 10:05:10
Ed1 can was promised as a starter or as cover. because as much as I love can I would rather have lucas start because can as of now does not have the discipline nor the positional sense required. Also I would like for Lucas to start there and play can as a cover. Ed1 who would you like to start and who would you play as cover??

{Ed001's Note - Lucas would be first choice for me, but Rodgers doesn't rate him.}

30 Jul 2015 10:15:02
Maybe 45 minutes in pre season counts as a chance under Rodgers?!? The club is a complete laughing stock with this guy in charge. Feel sorry for Wisdom, Ilori, Can, Marko et al having their careers messed around with like this

30 Jul 2015 10:39:48
For me, the closest player we have in the squad to Lucas at the moment is Rossiter. Can could become a destroyer type player but at the moment he's more box-to-box I reckon.

30 Jul 2015 10:54:43
Essexred884 I completely agree with you, yes we needed to strengthen out squad but instead of blindly buying we should have targeted our weak areas, but brendan has been repeating the same mistakes over and over again. all he wants is to buy attacking players. we badly needed an upgrade on migs and a player to compete or replace lucas. and the defense is still in shambles after spending a lot of money. we have some very good young players but brendan doesn't seem to rate them. we have lost suso and will most likely lose sinclair, and will probably lose many others if we keep this up. What is the point in buying young players for the academy and not using them. JCT has a very good cameo against fulham and we didn't use him after that. it's absolutely mind boggling!!

30 Jul 2015 11:57:26
Rodgers want to play a playmaker there at the base over a true DM. There are none readymade available in my memmory. You would have to deploy a Creative CM to that role.
Thats his idea and it isn't bad if you succed, Liverpool will have the best player in the world on that position.

30 Jul 2015 21:04:19
EG, the prob is that those players are so rare that it is not worth shoving it down our throats which is what he`s been trying to do to us for the past 18 months with playing SG and JA there for the dreadful results that have followed. All the big teams in England don`t play with one and for good reason. The DLP position is not a position any creative mid can play in because you have to have the right qualities and characteristics to play there which NONE of CM`s have n BTW, Alonso, Busquets, Kroos etc ain`t walking into Anfield anytime soon. The thing is that the PL is so rough and rugged and all you have to do is man mark that DLP like SG was with Downing and Agbonlahor (both games we lost) and he`s toast. They play with true DM`s and the results are there for all to see, especially with our back four that can`t keep a clean sheet nor defend a set-piece to save its life. If he persists with this fantasy, it shows he has not learned a thing and will DEFO fail again and this time, Pascoe and marsh won`t be there to blame and sacked for his failures