Liverpool Banter Archive June 30 2014

30 Jun 2014 22:51:09
Is it just me or does anyone else think that lallana and suso are very similar type of players.
I'm sure Adam is probably the more complete player right now but how far behind is suso, as I have not seen him play while onloan?

Not even close to the same level of ability mate.

30 Jun 2014 19:50:59
Edd001 who in your.opinion is the best young.midfielder in europe(19-24)? Toni Kross, pogba, koke?

{Ed001's Note - far too many to choose between mate and all so different.}

No problems mate
Suso for me, has everything bar pace

Kroos, Hazard, Pogba, James Rodriguez?

Suso, really?
better than Kroos, Pogba and Koke?

He was in and out of a poor team in Spain, and Liverpool don't even want him.

He's nowhere near their level.

I'm all for bias but if you're genuinely telling me Suso is a better player than all of Pogba, Koke, Gundognan, Verrati and Strootman to name just European central midfielders, you are above and beyond the usual rose-tinted glasses. Even Sterling- one of our own- is a better player.

Pogba. IMO he'll be the best in the world one day

That's crazy Big Al.

01 Jul 2014 09:53:46
Oscar.

{Ed001's Note - really? I would love to know why, as I see absolutely nothing special about him. He doesn't have the acceleration to really do much with the ball at his feet, he can just create a bit of space with a touch of skill, not actually get away from players. But it is what he does when he gets the space that is my issue with him, his passing and vision are awful. I know he is playing in the worst Brazil team I have ever seen, so maybe the options are limited there, so I can understand his passing being laboured. He had no such excuse at Chelsea and was awful every time I saw them. I can see exactly why Jose dropped him. He simply isn't very good at all imo.}

Oscar is overrated imo. Never releases the ball quickly enough and takes too many touches. How many times has he released a perfect through ball for the forward to get on the end of? I have not seen him do it even once. Plus his form has completely gone off the boil. The talent and skill is clearly there, but application is extremely poor. And his attitude stinks as well. He is on huge wages at Chelsea who are competing on all fronts, yet he keeps flirting with that pathetic oil club in Paris (who btw are worse than chelski).

30 Jun 2014 21:45:40
Does anyone think that Flanagan could become a decent centre back in the future? Would be interested to hear people's opinions. Maybe it could be a daily poll in the near future?

Daily poll is dead it's been that one for 3 days ish. But he's too small for centre back

{Ed001's Note - it is not dead, it is an error that we are trying to fix.}

No. Not at all he gets caught out to easy and makes a lot of foul tackles. He'd only play half a season in a more prime role due to suspensions.

To small in the PL

Ed1, wasn't that the quote of the medical staff when scanning Suarez's brain?

Brilliant Suffolk Red!

He is 5ft11. The same height as Micah Richards, an inch shorter than Carragher. Hardly to short. It's not all about height. He is taller than Mascherano and Puyol!

I don't think his positional awareness is good enough anyway but don't judge a player based on height!

30 Jun 2014 21:35:52
Ok my fellow reds.
I am going to be the first to ask to name your top 10 come the end of next seasons premiership?. and your relegated 3?. "bit of fun" AND it would be really interesting to hear your initial thoughts. Maybe the Eds could save the replies and then we can see who was closest come May 2015?

Here is mine .

Chelsea
Liverpool
Man united
Man City
Everton
Arsenal
Tottenham
Aston villa
Southampton
Leicester

Relegated
Newcastle
QPR
Burnley

GAME ON!

30 Jun 2014 21:57:03
Top 10
Liverpool
Chelsea
City
Arsenal
United
Spurs
Everton
Southampton
Villa
Newcastle

Relegated
QPR
Hull
West Ham

Liverpool (with Sanchez)
Man City
Chelsea
Man. United
Liverpool (without Sanchez)
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Southampton
Sunderland
Newcastle

Hull (Europa League effect)
Burnley
West Brom

City
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
United
Spurs
Everton
Sunderland
Hull
Newcastle

Relegated
Burnley
West Ham
QPR

30 Jun 2014 22:41:05
Liverpool
Southampton
Swansea
Burnley
Hull
Aston Villa
Sunderland
West Brom
Newcastle
QPR

Relegated:
Man Utd
Everton
Chelsea

Top 10:
1. Chelsea
2. Man City
3. Liverpool
4. Arsenal
5. Man Utd
6. Spurs
7. Everton
8. Swansea
9. West Ham
10. Southampton

Relegated:
18: Hull
19: Burnley
20: West Brom

My heart's with bevan, but my head thinks chris is being more realistic.

Bevan: Wishful thinking really. Chelsea may finish above United, but the rest is fine!

1. man ciy
2. chelsea
3. Liverpool
4. man utd
5. arsenal
6. everton
7. spurs
8. swansea
9. newcastle
10. southhampton

I don't care how many LVG brings in this year, they will struggle to back into the top 4 at the 1st time of asking. They have to build a whole new defence, and most of a midfield too. Bring out of Europe will help. 5th maybe? I'm with Chris on the predictions

I refuse to believe Bevan's not right until he's disproved.

Keep em coming . Very interesting!

Liverpool top
Does anyone really think we are going to get worse?

I said 3rd last year before a ball was kicked. I think 4th/5th this season unfortunately. No Suarez, lots of new players, Euro football and stronger competition. 4th would be a great finish this season because the team will be set up to challenge for years to come.

01 Jul 2014 10:49:08
1.Liverpool
2.city
3.chelsea
4.arsenal
5.tottenham
6.united
7.everton(Europa will hinder)
8.aston villa (providing they don't sell anyone)
9.leicester
10.stoke

18.southampton(lost manager and 3 key players thus far. Lallana leaving suggests lack of investment)
19.burnley
20.west brom

01 Jul 2014 11:16:16
Arsenal
Chelsea
City
Liverpool
Spurs
United
Southampton
Sunderland
Crystal palace
West brom

Relegation
Hull
Burnley
New castle

01 Jul 2014 13:26:32
1.Liverpool
2.Chelsea
3.City
4.Arsenal
5.Man Utd
6.Spurs
7.Everton
8.Southampton
9.Stoke
10.West Ham
11.Newcastle
12.Swansea
13.Crystal Palace
14.Villa
15.Sunderland
16.QPR
17.Burnley
18.Hull
19.Leicester
20.West Brom

30 Jun 2014 20:31:09
How much do you reckon Suarez would be worth in 2 years? 20 mil? If we keep him, he is basically devaluing by at least 50 mil in 2 years, money which we could really use and need.

Another 31 goals aswell tho

30 Jun 2014 20:10:22
Down the page a bit a few poster talking money plus Sanchez deal. Sanchez may not have the high price tag but he is more than under priced £30mil plus Sanchez for Suares would be a great deal for us. Total quality player with pace and only 25 years old. Not much differance in ability to Suares. I think could be played throught the middle or anywhere accross the front . Only reason his priced so low is his situation at Barca

30 Jun 2014 19:06:28
Transfer window opens tomorrow! May the force
be with you Eds.

30 Jun 2014 18:31:41
So I've just seen an official apology from Suarez to Chiellini and the rest of the world via Facebook. So LFC fans, like the classic Clash tune, should he stay or should he go?

30 Jun 2014 19:40:13
What shocked me most is he vowed to never let it happen again. Chiellini said the incident was behind him and he hopes the ban is reduced. Top class from chiellini I must say.

Brown envelope on its way to chiellini!

01 Jul 2014 06:39:33
He has only apologised to get his move as Ed002 said he would

30 Jun 2014 17:56:06
{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you work for, you are talking crap. But you work for them so you must know all their policies throughout every part of them, of course. I am sure my uncle knows a lot more about what he was told to say than you do. Why do you think you know anything about the company you work for and its policies? Are you deciding them? No, so give it a rest. Like all employees you will be told nothing other than whatever they want you to know.}. Absolutely agree with 001 on this. They are stage managed by the TV companies, Been involved in several sportsman nights, and visits to grounds where the ex players tell a different slant than what we are led to believe on the TV.ED001 you are slowly creeping up on 002 for sarcasm and wit.

What's this all about jim?

It's ok jim, just found it. Tasty argument,

It's ok I just seen it jim, tasty argument.

30 Jun 2014 16:49:51
Just throwing my 2 pennies worth in on the moral debate. My view is this:

1) Fans swearing and abusing players and their family members is never acceptable.
2) Players abusing fans is never acceptable.
3) Players biting, punching, kicking, spitting, slapping, head butting etc. is never acceptable (the same goes for managers).
4) Players jumping into fans and kicking them is not acceptable.
5) Fans throwing objects at players or shining lasers in their eyes is never acceptable.
6) Players diving or cheating in any way is not acceptable.

It's a sport and has a code of conduct on the field and any player who bites, dives, cheats etc. should be punished and so should the club if they do nothing to address and improve it.

I also think society should have a code of conduct off the field. No-one should have to accept abuse, player, manager or fan. Banter is cool and fun but football has become so tribal that people seem to excuse their foul language and behaviour just because they're watching a football game.

It would be great to have the atmosphere we get at Anfield and the lesser atmospheres at other grounds but with the family day out appeal of some of the American sports or a rugby match. It's sad that young children cannot go to games without having people screaming expletives all around them.

There, let the critique begin. :-)

I preferred the 1970, s . Now that was atmosphere. Nowadays it's getting silly, you cannot break wind in a game.

30 Jun 2014 18:23:43
Amen to all that

I think 'players kicking' is acceptable.

I can't understand the flagrant use of expletives at a football match. FFS grow up and start behaving like an adult not a 14yr old.

30 Jun 2014 18:31:00
Well said sir. well said.

Exactly my friend. Not even a debate. None of these things are acceptable.

But until all are addressed and disciplined the same nothing will change.

Everything and anything bad that goes on in sport and the world in general should be punished. But this is the stumbling block. Because this is where the super powers succeed by playing dirty and writing the rules as they see fit.

People are more concerned about believing what someone writes in a newspaper or quotes on the telly that they don't look at the big picture.

Again Suarez has done wrong but this ban is scandalous compared to what else goes on.

Who punishes him? An outfit that have reportedly took a load of bungs so they can put a world cup on in Qatar. How long are their bans? Are they repeat offenders of receiving bungs? A multi national company surely not?

Chew on that.

That made me laugh Ken :-)

Ps Suarez has just apologised. I am going to be the first to take credit for that, clearly he read my post! Chuckle!

The hair styles were definately better in the 70's too. Look at Neymar he looks like a cockatoo. Bring back the 70's I'd say.

30 Jun 2014 16:32:40
Just listened to Brendan Rogers in a radio interview reference signings in and out. I am really pleased he didn't allow the media to pull any names out of his mouth. We did this before and ended up loosing out on key players.

I am warming more and more every day to BR. Fantastic ethos he instilled into the team based on the LFC way/history, and last season showed how much of a key signing BR has been for LFC.

These big name/ money signings in my mind won't happen like everyone wants I.e Sanchez. It's not BR's way to splash cash just for the sake of the name. He has proved he can get the best out of anyone. Example STERLING-HENDO-SKIRTLE-GERRARDS NEW ROLE-FLANNO. etc. and of course Suarez. (Keep him I say) (controversial maybe) :)

I do feel we need another C def and another full back. For me the squad looks healthy. IBE will come in this year and I also think Suso should be allowed the chance.

Oh and maybe another keeper.

Thanks. My thoughts welcome feedback.

30 Jun 2014 16:45:57
That was a very good interview, I just read it. He wasl all over last year with Salah and Micky

30 Jun 2014 15:38:00
Would you rather?
35 mil plus Sanchez
Or
80 million and Sanchez goes arsenal!
Personally, option one all the way, think Sanchez is the best we could get to replace Suarez

30 Jun 2014 15:43:24
Sanchez isn't rated at 45 mill by anyone Including Barca. Sancehz + 45 mill would make sense.

80 million, easily. Think Sanchez is a fantastic player, but he isn't valued at 45 million I wouldn't think.

Putting the money to one side.

I would take Sanchez and enough to buy one more world class player, over enough money to buy two world class players.

I think Sanchez would suit us perfectly, and be the best replacement for Suarez we could hope for.

Option 1 for me all day long.

30 Jun 2014 16:34:46
Sanchez is the only replacement close to Suarez I could see. 80 mill is a huge price, Something Spurs too recieved, We need to get the right quality in.

Sanchez plus Montoya plus 35-40 million. That way we can sell Johnson too.

What about James Rodriguez?

For £80m you could probably buy him.
I'd swap him for Suarez, he is going to be a legend.

Home fan and jones red, that was not the choice, the point was would you rather lose a bit more money to get him, and arsenal dont.

I'd take the 35m and Sanchez. An elite level player and cash to cover 2 more signings. We won't get 80m pounds sterling at any rate. No chance.

30 Jun 2014 21:47:17
What good is money if there's no one to spend it on?

I don't care how much we receive for Suarez. All I care about is that we bring in the right players and have a stronger squad for next season.

30 Jun 2014 14:59:50
Saw someone ask about Jose Enrique's fitness the other day. He's just tweeted that he is back in training for the first day before preseason begins. That's good news for LFC.

It will take him some time to get back to full fitness, but I can see him slotting in well once the season starts. I still hope we can lure an additional top left back to fight him for a place, allowing Johnson and Flanagan to be on the right.

Agree with the above, except for Johnson would love to see him sold, his attacking qualities used to be the redeeming factor but even those seem to have gone, too predictable. Get his wages off and play Flanagan/Kelly/Wisdom we even have Mclaughlin worst case scenario. Alternating in cup, champions league and prem.

Great news cheers for the update lar

30 Jun 2014 14:26:50
Daily Express are reporting that Bayern have offered Shaqiri in a deal for Vidal.

I know its obviously heavily dependent on the player but what is the general consensus among players over which country they would rather play in out of Italy and Germany?

most seem to consider Spain the pinnacle with England being seen as more of a challenge than an outright attraction

30 Jun 2014 15:09:27
I saw it, and seems true as the whole world is Chasing Pogba and Vidal.

30 Jun 2014 14:07:59
Liverpool Owner Henry has tweeted, At no cost the Club would be selling the best player, Instead we are adding couple of strikers.

30 Jun 2014 14:35:04
he has done no such thing.

Where? I've just been on his twitter?

30 Jun 2014 15:05:30
Harry dude you're so obsessed with Suarez you're making stuff up about him! This is a new low for even you lol.

30 Jun 2014 15:08:36
Harry has he honestly said that? If he has i'm totally shocked. And sounds like he is staying.

30 Jun 2014 15:18:43
Why make things up Harry?

30 Jun 2014 15:27:52
Dez

I don't know mate, A frnd of mine passed it to me. I just posted it here in the banter page. Someone would look into it.
There is nothing to be shocked on. He bite a PL player and Henry had a bigger Tweet when Arsenal Bid him.
Football is business and FSG would do everything to Get the best price.
They saw last year what Suarez could add to a team on the pitch.
Without him I don't think Sterling could have hit 15 goals last seaosn nor Sturridge
He takes so much pressure off from the rest of the players.

A. It might not be true

B. If it is true why do people take every statement at face value

LFC are clearly getting the message out the that he's not for sale, want to keep him blah blah while simultaneously negotiating and inquiring after players to replace him. He's leaving - plain and simple.

30 Jun 2014 15:40:18
Tjred

Every fan is obssessed with a world class player. You are lying if you weren't jumping when He hit a belter 35 yards against Norwich or smahsed a volley 30 yards against Arsenal.

30 Jun 2014 17:19:19
Nobody is obsessed about Suarez like you.

Maybe it is close to the time to seek professional help Harry.

30 Jun 2014 18:05:53
Nope I can't say I'm obsessed with him. I'm obsessed with Liverpool fc, not Suarez.

I am with home fan on suarez

SA red, A threesome then!

30 Jun 2014 13:39:08
ED01, Do you honestly think a deal could be agreed with Barca over Suarez, Since They are the only team loking for him.
Barca has no money and its no secret, Liverpool will not budge down over the price. A Structured payment could scupper moves for our targets.
There is a great deal of backing by some of our Ex Liverpool players in keeping him at the club.
Whats your personal take on this?

Thanks Mate.

{Ed001's Note - no deal is ever paid up front, Barca know they have no signings coming in for a while after this window, so they can agree to pay the main lump for any signings then.}

The ex Liverpool support is likely just to be to prevent his price plummeting - no use paying full price for something the owner doesn't want right?

as for the structuring, barca are the ones in the best position to pull off a higher transfer fee due to the fact they won't have to think about transfers for a while after this window

speaking from a place of no experience mind you, I would try and push the price closer to true value but extend their payment periodso they are paying less each time but pay closer to what we want over the long run - depends how financially capable they are in the short term and if they plan on investing in more than just suarez

30 Jun 2014 14:04:15
Brown

You are wrong If you think Suarez is being sold because of the biting Incident alone.
He had a similar one last year and probably would have one next year. Arsenal was instead of barca last year and there would be another club next year.
He is moving out coz, The player wants to move. He is 28, The best time to cash in a world class player. Liverpool need serious money to invest without digging into their poclet.

The Owners will have 2 important points in mind regarding Suarez.
How Much would the club benifit from keeping him and how much in selling him.

None expected us to finish 2nd last term and you cannot deny his influence in it.
The Owners are well aware of this fact.

There is no true or real value for a player who could change a game instantly or sell millions of shirts at a club like Barca or Real.

He is only moving if his Price is met. Suarez is FSG's Biggest return for thier any investment till now and they would be nuts to loose him at any reduced price.

Drop his price to 40 mill and you could see another 3-4 clubs interested in his service.

30 Jun 2014 14:36:36
He is 27 and moving because he is more trouble than worth keeping.

30 Jun 2014 14:54:01
If Barca want a top striker for the next few years then they need to do it now because of there transfer ban and Suarez is exactly the kind of striker they need. Eds do you expect Barca to come in with an offer including Sanchez?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

I expected us to sell Suarez before this happened so don't know what you're getting at with the first comment as I said nothing of the sort - last year we were at the beginning of rebuilding and losing our best player wouldve been a tremendous blow however now, the process of rebuilding is underway, Brendans philosophy is basically instilled in his players, they know how he wants to play and what he expects of them and we aren't reliant on Suarez anymore, a year ago it could be argued we were a one man team, now only someone with blinkers on would say that, I think Suarez price is only going to decline from this moment regardless of whether he bit Chiellini or not

Most fans who have sat and watched 38 games will tell you that Suarez causes problems for us in terms of positional discipline and the 9 goals against the top half of the table is a telling statistic too - the fact is, we are better organised without him but not quite as good offensively either and I wouldve expected us to send him to spain anyway in order to improve in other areas or spread the workload a bit

as for the true value comment, it was well known RVP wasnt happy and wanted out and he went for £24m - that is not his true value by any means

30 Jun 2014 15:16:09
The Real AG

And the best footballing side Barca are ready to keep a troubled one. Whose players represnt UNICEF and QTAR AIRWAYS?
Goodness me.
Neymar Messi Suarez. that's the best attacking force in the planet.

30 Jun 2014 15:36:49
Brown

If you look at all the goals scored by us Baring the first 6 games. Suarez presence is there, Whether its the goals against Spurs or the Pass for Sterling against Arsenal.
With or Without armband He leads Liverpool. You cannot ignore the facts.
If you are not getting the right replaceemnt for him. We would struggle. And With the things happening, We aren getting Sanchez or Shaquiri or any other top players.
If you watch Sturridge for England, You could see the Impact of Suarez. He was not getting any kinda service from Rooney or anyone.
Suarez Works hard and takes the pressure off from other players.
Suarez has a very good influence over Sterling's Rise. Watch his goals and Assists.

You can't honestly expect to use england for your basis of sturridge not being able to perform without suarez

the simple fact is I would sacrifice him for a stronger back 4, I would rather sacrifice goals scored in order to drastically decrease defensive errors and goals conceded

we are looking at a winger and roughly 40 mil, that could get you a centre back and a half decent left back and you would be a tiny bit out of pocket but you wouldn't turn that down surely?

30 Jun 2014 12:23:39
fEdd001, tony barrett seems the only one to criticize woy for englands WC. He made some excellent points and asks why he is under no scrutiny. Alan shearer and co watched england and never once questioned.roys tactics or personal? It was.like they were too oblivious to see the problems and accepting this rubbish t he players wernt good enough, not performing etc. England does not have a wealth of quailty but it was certainly good enough to get out if the group. Barrett also points out roy failed to get the best out of not one player.
Edd what's your.opinion on england mate? a lot of change is needed at all levels but roy is an awful manager IMO and needs to go for England to improve in any manner

{Ed001's Note - the thing you have to understand is that TV companies have an agenda. The pundits aren't there with free rein to say what they want to say, they have certain things they have to go along with, whether they agree or not. Such as the big fuss they made of saying how great Busquets is, how vital he is to the Spanish to stop them conceding etc, just before all of them being made to look total fools after he was appalling in the thrashing by the Dutch. When my uncle did a bit of punditry for the BBC, he was actually given a few names, as it was Man Utd games he was working on, to praise, and say how great they were etc, what model professionals and other words to that effect. He also was told, as they were playing against foreign sides, that he was also to say how we all want United to win etc. That is how punditry works, whether you are Alan Shearer or Gary Neville or Jamie Carragher. You are not saying what you think, you are playing a part and they give you things to say. You can add your own personality and humour etc to it, but the actual points being made are mostly set out for them. That is why you have all these pundits looking for excuses for 'poor old Woy' who done his best but was let down by others.

The truth is, England have a decent team, but that is all. Woy bottled the big decisions, sticking with Rooney and playing Welbeck, when neither deserved a place. He is tactically inflexible, allowing Baines to be overrun throughout the Italy game and showing no idea of how to stop it. He shackled Henderson, when his main strength is his ability to get up and down the pitch, allowing the opposition to be able to get at him, rather than him forcing them deeper to cope with his runs. He didn't even notice obvious things, such as Suarez's shots from a corner being on every time due to nobody guarding the near post. Woy is a nice enough guy, but he is far too arrogant in his own abilities, too entrenched in his own beliefs, to listen to advice and then act upon it.

Unfortunately he believes he is a success in his career everywhere he has gone, and that his only failures were not his fault. He has not sat there and looked at why he fails in every big job he has done and seen that it is his fault he failed. He is not learning from his defeats, he is too set in his ways to see that sometimes you just have to accept you don't have players to play the style of football you want to play. Especially in international football, where you can't just go and buy the players to fit in the style you want. So instead he is trying to shoehorn box to box midfielders into holding midfield berths, putting misfiring strikers on the wings and pandering to the big names.

England are not good enough to win anything, but they are better than Hodgson will allow them to show.}

Ed001 thanks for.the detailed reply'
Very true on rooney and welbeck. Lallana had.a.great season and welbeck started instead, said it all really.

Is it to do with sponsors in regards to the tv companies agenda ed? I mean I don't really know the business and who owns what but surely unless money is involved I see no reason to pander to englands weak links, if anything I would assume that giving a blunt and honest opinion would land them more publicity and viewers

just curious as to what has formed their agenda that's all

{Ed001's Note - the BBC is a propaganda arm of the govt mate, they will have a line set out to them. Usually it will be to emphasis the greatness of the UK compared to everyone else, and find excuses for any signs that the UK actually isn't that good. Sly just work to whatever Murdoch decides he wants them to do, usually down to which team attracts the most viewers and so sponsorship income. That will be who gets the backing, which would be England, as they are massive in terms of sponsorship deals. Not sure ITV even know themselves what they are doing!}

Also when I say sponsors I mainly mean advertisers in terms as not wanting to be associated with anti-english punditry etc

sorry for the double post just thought sponsors was a bit ambiguous

{Ed001's Note - I guessed what you meant, don't worry.}

Ed thought that was a great reply about the commentary directed at English pundits. If you ever get a chance check the Irish commentary of Johnny Giles Liam Brady and Eamon Dunphy on RTE Irish TV (YouTube). The shackles are off and it's free rein. Gramme Souness wrote an article about it the Guardian a few years back as he his guest pundit when not working for sky. Some quality stuff

{Ed001's Note - I think TV companies have it wrong anyway, I think everyone would be happier if the commentary and pundits were fair and unbiased. We would moan when they made comments we disagreed with because of our own bias, but overall I think we would all accept it and enjoy the sport more.}

When Wales get further in euro2016 than England do you expect England to come knocking on colemans door?

Its a shame that the ones with the most money and greatest reach are the ones with voices in their ears really, would be refreshing to have someone give an honest opinion once in a while but unless somebody comes along with money to burn that's not going to happen

I live in Australia now and they aren't much different, not heard a single one say a thing about Rooney or Hodgson - can't be compared to the utter nonsense they spout during an Australia match though its unbearable, I have to stream english radio during the games and just put up with the delay on screen

Yeah fair enough hear what your sayin, but it is unbiased. 2/3 seasons ago Eamon Dunphy (journalist ex football player) slated Liverpool. And he was right. Season just gone praised them.Li Brady top class pundit, Giles a bit old school but good nonetheless. They'd wipe the floor with most European commentary. Really should check it out

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't meaning them mate, I was meaning Sly, BBC and ITV with their sycophantic arselicking of everything Brazilian etc. I don't even have the sound on any more during this World Cup, they have ruined so much of it.}

30 Jun 2014 14:45:17
Isn't it weird that no one seemed to think it was odd having a front six consisting of 2 midfielders, 1 winger and 3 centre forwards.

Maybe they were confused by the modern terminology.

I tend to listen to CH5 radio ed - not sure if they're much better as I don't live in england aymore but its a damn sight better than listening to the utter rubbish that comes out of their mouths over here

Well you would enjoy are commentary. I know you weren't talking about RTE. Football365 are big fans seriously Ed check it out and any regular poster here. They call as they see it which is very refreshing. You might get p&@/ed of with them with what they say but In reflection ya know there somewhere in the ball park. Harry Scouser would love them

Ill informed, conspiracy theory claptrap Ed01. I've worked a for the UKs two biggest broadcasters all my life and I can guarantee you are a million miles away from how things really work. Then again your uncle once did some punditry.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you work for, you are talking crap. But you work for them so you must know all their policies throughout every part of them, of course. I am sure my uncle knows a lot more about what he was told to say than you do. Why do you think you know anything about the company you work for and its policies? Are you deciding them? No, so give it a rest. Like all employees you will be told nothing other than whatever they want you to know.}

@Owen, in general ya I agree but Giles is terrible, imo. He hasn't a clue. He thinks anybody can play CM whether it be Mata or Hoolahan or whoever he says they'd be fine in a two man centre mid. nope they wouldn't. Also he says you don't need tactics just put out the best 11 players.

Richard Sadlier the former Milwall striker is good. Brady is ok. Dunphy is good when he's not messing with his own stirring agenda.

Ronnie Whelan last night was priceless before the penalty shootout he was asked to call it and said "I thought Costa Rica would win in 90mins, I thought Greece would win it in Extra Time, I haven't got a clue". I had some laugh at that

How's it going Sean Ireland, yes a million % agree about Johnny Giles but to the untrained ear (i.e not told what to say) he's ok. Dunphy is good nobody like him across Europe guaranteed. Might try to be a bit populist but still classic TV when he hits form. I like Brady but hear your gripe. Richie Sadlier I can't stand him commentating, played against him know him little bit. A retired footballer at what 21/22 ( injury granted) trying to make a pundit and being a mini Dunphy without the substance!!

RTE is absolutely fantastic for punditry. Just be sure to avoid Brian Kerr's commentary.

Ah they definitely have free reign alright, arguing again after the French match Sadlier v Eyebrows on whether or not Matuidi should have been sent off, red for me anyway. N ya Dunphy can be very good, the odd time u can tell he's scheming and talking wallop but mostly he's genuine and good seeing honest opinions back and forth.

30 Jun 2014 12:41:28
hi ed
not a rumour or banter just wanted to know where you host your site as you get so much traffic and it runs smooth
thanks and keep up the excellent work

{Ed001's Note - I think they are called 1&1 mate, I wouldn't be so sure I would recommend them as a host though, their customer service is absolutely appalling.}

30 Jun 2014 10:38:40
to ed. why has Liverpoolfc 3rd kit not launched yet and if its going to launched what's the offcial date

{Ed001's Note - they always stagger the kit releases, that way more people buy them than if they release them all at once. There is no official date yet been announced for the release of the 3rd kit, that I know of.}

30 Jun 2014 10:21:10
I think Flanagan did enough last term to retain the left back spot. Surely, I rate him more highly than Shaw. Him and Enrique and LB is sorted unless if he's seen more as a RB. I'll much rather bring in a versatile defender like Ivanovic to cover for RB and CB.

30 Jun 2014 10:31:56
Y do you want A RB to play at LB?. You rate him better than Luke Shaw. Serioisly?

Flanagan did enough last season to retain is place in the team and squad but getting a lb is priority. I would love it if we got rojo but brendan knows best

30 Jun 2014 10:56:05
Falanagan would replace Johnson Next year. Y is it hard to understand?

30 Jun 2014 11:09:36
Yes, Harry, I rate him MORE HIGHLY than Shaw. What's wrong with that? Can u prove otherwise, even statistically? Shaw is no the best defender out there, neither is he any better at attacking. Just how many goals did Shaw score or create compared to Flanno's short spell in the team last term? Bar a couple of games, Flannagan was solid each time I watched him. I really like the kid.

I think he did enough last season to challenge Johnson for the RB position this season.
I think he could become first choice and leave Glen on the bench in what will probably be his last season with us.

30 Jun 2014 11:50:50
I think Flanagan is a very good player and will be a good squad Full-back. I think this season, he can push Johnson and overtake him.

I do not think it the best idea to keep playing him at LB. I think we need a LB with Enrique being made available and Johnson probably leaving next summer.

We're signing a LB

Wow wow wow, flanno played 23 games last season, that's not a short spell! it would have been more if not for his injury.
Abaka let's not just use stats. I like Flanno, but shaw is a superior back. his pace, energy, runs crosses passing when I've watched him are top drawer, Flanno is good shaw is very good at minimum.

For me kelly if fit should start fightback if CB is unavailable. which would leave flanno to play leftback. Johnsons days are numbered. I don't usually pray for some 1 to leave Liverpool FC but Johnson has been a leech for me. Puts in half arsed performances, and just doesn't look like he wants to be there.

I don't necessarily disagree with the point that Flanagan was as good as Shaw last year. As far as the future and their potential to improve goes, I think Shaw will develop into a better player.

30 Jun 2014 12:20:10
Harry for once you're spot on! Flano can play RB next term but a LB is definitely a priority!

30 Jun 2014 12:23:17
Abka
I have no statitics to show you, But I am confident Flanagan himself would have voted for Shaw as the Best LB in the league.
If so what would you call Azpilicueta?. He was Execptional for chelsea at LB

The market seldom lies. No team would pay 10m for Flanagan let alone 30m. Shaw is quite clearly a better all around player which is not say that Flanagan isn't a good player. He is.

Just about the Downing point, I think he would've been much better if he didn't have to constantly cover for Johnson. At a lot of stages last year it seemed that Downing was the rb and Johnson was the winger.

I personally think Shaw is over rated. He is not a better player than Flanagan at all. However he is a better left back. Flanno is a right back and that's where he needs to be played. I don't even think Shaw's crossing is better than Flanno's even remotely (although Shaw is quicker). You can't judge Flanno when he was on his wrong side every time a crossing opportunity came about. Put him right back and you'll see how well he can float a cross in and I gurantee you he matches Shaw for assists. Flanno also scored which Shaw didn't even come close to doing although that is probably just down to Flanno playing in a better team.

For me, Man United have been absolutely spanked by Southampton with regards to the transfer of Luke Shaw. Shaw isn't even Southamptons best left back! Anybody who watches youth team football will know exactly who Matthew Targett is; and if you do you'll know that Shaw has no chance of being Englands future left back if Targett makes the step up next season. For me, even Brad Smith will be better than Shaw when given the chance.

For once guys, stop listening to the media and watch the players for yourself.

30 Jun 2014 12:20:10
Harry for once you're spot on! Flano can play RB next term but a LB is definitely a priority!

30 Jun 2014 12:23:17
Abka
I have no statitics to show you, But I am confident Flanagan himself would have voted for Shaw as the Best LB in the league.
If so what would you call Azpilicueta?. He was Execptional for chelsea at LB

The market seldom lies. No team would pay 10m for Flanagan let alone 30m. Shaw is quite clearly a better all around player which is not say that Flanagan isn't a good player. He is.

Just about the Downing point, I think he would've been much better if he didn't have to constantly cover for Johnson. At a lot of stages last year it seemed that Downing was the rb and Johnson was the winger.

I personally think Shaw is over rated. He is not a better player than Flanagan at all. However he is a better left back. Flanno is a right back and that's where he needs to be played. I don't even think Shaw's crossing is better than Flanno's even remotely (although Shaw is quicker). You can't judge Flanno when he was on his wrong side every time a crossing opportunity came about. Put him right back and you'll see how well he can float a cross in and I gurantee you he matches Shaw for assists. Flanno also scored which Shaw didn't even come close to doing although that is probably just down to Flanno playing in a better team.

For me, Man United have been absolutely spanked by Southampton with regards to the transfer of Luke Shaw. Shaw isn't even Southamptons best left back! Anybody who watches youth team football will know exactly who Matthew Targett is; and if you do you'll know that Shaw has no chance of being Englands future left back if Targett makes the step up next season. For me, even Brad Smith will be better than Shaw when given the chance.

For once guys, stop listening to the media and watch the players for yourself.

I would love to see Flano step up another level next season kinda like Henderson and Ramsey.

@Abaka, madness. Rating him higher than Shaw is poor judgement, imo, all opinions though. Not wanting to sign a LB so he can play is mad though. We will be signing a LB and I for one hope that we sign a top class LB who nobody thinks Flanagan should be starting ahead of. Also a player like Ivanovic for backup, a player of his ilk would walk into almost any team, unfortunately this RB/CB type player which we could attain would be more like Micah Richards not Ivanovic (in terms of quality at least).

Think the best left back is ben davies of swansea better stats than most!

{Ed001's Note - is that not just because Spurs are trying to sign him that you like him? I watched him a lot, he was not particularly good from what I saw. As for stats, they are useless imo, as they are always taken out of context. They make no allowance for the team's style of play, the quality of player around them etc etc.}

30 Jun 2014 13:34:00
Adam

I don't think Shaw or let any LB is worth that amount. But a Natural LB is always better than a Converted one

Walkers I sincerely hope that was sarcasm

East Midlands Scouser takes the bitterness award. I guarantee your opinion would have been different if LFC bought Shaw.

No it wouldn't. He is average. I think the same of Alberto Moreno who we are probably going to sign. Both players have potential, but neither are anything spectacular and both are far too expensive. If I was blinkered by the fact people were signing for Liverpool I'd be claiming Moreno is the best thing since sliced bread; but he's not in my opinion.

Another example of how pathetic your jibe is, is that I think Ander Herrera is excellent and if United get him a good partner he will thrive next season. I'm not bitter, just honest. I'm not one for jumping on media/FIFA bandwagons.

They are both full backs, and are the opposite footed so the the question should be who is the best full back? No contest in my opinion, sorry Flanno lad.

30 Jun 2014 03:56:46
Anyone else worried lallana is our new charlie Adam/Andy Carroll/Stewart downing/Joe Cole? British, over priced, and won't live up to the hype. I don't see what he brings to the table that we don't already have. And I definitely don't see anyone I'd rather play him over. It gives us depth. but that's about it.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe some sort of campaign is needed to force him out of the club?}

Your own eyes should tell you he's a very good footballer. Unlike some of the players mentioned he looks after himself, is completely professional and has leadership skills. He'll fit into our system no problem.

Andy Carroll, Charlie Adam and Joe Cole were unfit, poor professionals. Downing scored 5 goals and claimed 8 assists in his last season at Anfield. He was wrongly sold in my opinion and just took a year to settle in. Besides, Lallana is far superior to all these players and is being bought because he fits a style and philosophy already instilled throughout the club whereas Adam, Carroll and Downing were signed with the view to building the style around them and Joe Cole was signed to appease fans after a shocking transfer window.

FFS. Why oh why do LFC fans see fit to slag a player we have signed even before they have kicked a ball for the club!

I despair sometimes I really do!

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

Personally I think a midfield trio of Henderson, Gerrard, and Lallana with Sturridge, Sterling, and, uh, someone, up front sounds pretty amazing.

Here, here VR! Drives me to despair!

I agree RDL.

We get fixated with the price tags of players; compare them with other players bought (Andy Carroll should be 3 times the player Alonso was blah blah blah).

Rules define we have to have x amount of English players in our squad and they do cost a premium; hopefully they will settle quicker than players brought into the club from overseas.

We do need players that can "unlock" the door when teams play very defensive against us; as we cannot always play fast counter attacking football (or change from controlled possession to fast attacking football).

I think it may be a long summer and season on here - we had some amazing results but how many years do we beat Arsenal 5-1? Don't expect us to match those displays week in week out next season!

@lfcohio - do you expect Lallana to do well?

30 Jun 2014 08:56:04
I haven't seen any other Gifted English Midfielder than Lallana in recent times.
I was only worried about the price we have to pay for him.

30 Jun 2014 08:57:38
Vrcomp

Relaax mate, We are not slagging any player, We are Just worried and concerned not to repete our previous howlers.
Just convince the OP with some good points.

Perhaps if you had watched Lallana at any point last year you would already be convinced. I've said several times now that he is so good and was taking teams apart on his own, including us. Just makes me think people on here watch zero football.

EMS, surprised by Downings stats for his last season at Anfield, is 5 goals and 8 assists correct? if it is, this is definitely one example of stats being misleading, Downing was absolutely crap, that's wasnt just my opinion it was the opinion of 99.99% of the gate at Anfield every other week.

Lallana is a really good player, and English as well. He is used to playing the sort of style that we play, so he should have no issues settling in at all. We get far too hung up on the transfer fee, just let the boy play and I am sure you will be happy.

Adam was the one I expected to succeed tbh, the rest I didn't have high hopes with to start

Hendo I had hopes for but started to doubt he was going to reach his potential with us and thought he shouldve stayed with Sunderland for another year but I was obviously wrong about that so I don't tend to trust my own judgement anyway

30 Jun 2014 11:52:39
Thankfully, the manager of the club sees a lot more in him than you do.

We've paid a fair price for him. He's not over priced at all. You realise that the TV money is fuelling increased fees and salaries (despite some attempts to restrict this happening). He's approaching his peak, is PL battle heartened, an international and by all accounts a highly motivated young man. Is he better value than Fellaini at 27m or Mata at 40m? I believe so.

We've paid a fair price for him. He's not over priced at all. You realise that the TV money is fuelling increased fees and salaries (despite some attempts to restrict this happening). He's approaching his peak, is PL battle heartened, an international and by all accounts a highly motivated young man. Is he better value than Fellaini at 27m or Mata at 40m? I believe so.

Lallana is going to be awesome.

@Alanhuyton - 100% agree, I too think Downing was rubbish and was glad to get rid of him. He also started to get praise for trying hard the last season he was here - why wasn't he trying hard all along.

And @Brown_J - I was gutted when we signed Charlie Adam. I was hoping for Andy Carroll to come good but that was wishful thinking.

30 Jun 2014 14:00:38
5 goals and 8 assists is correct indeed. I'm afraid the Anfield faithful were blinkered if that was the case. Downing was not spectacular in his last season with us, but he was effective; much lke Dirk Kuyt. Would you rather have a fancy trickster dancing around with skills who had no end product? Or a direct "what you see is what you get" player like Downing or Milner who regularly contribute directly to goals?

Downing was far from bad in his last season. Fans just refused to forgive him for his dire first season in which he failed to score or assist a single goal (not hard when you have Carroll to aim at and C.Adam supplying you). I'm am dissapointed if you were still so against him that you could not acknowledge how much he improved. He actually played a lot of games at left back as well making those stats even more impressive. For me, hie assist against Fulham was the best through ball I have ever seen to set up Gerrard in our 4-0 win vs Fulham.

@Sean - if memory serves (and memory isn't something i'm known for) Adam basically carried that entire team until we bought him, thought he scored goals at the right moment and looked like he vocalised quite well on the pitch too - but yea, huge flop - not sure if big club nerves or if he just wasnt good enough but having seen him since we sold him I think he just had a really good season at blackpool

@Brown_J - some players are superb at lower levels with no hope of ever making it at the top level. Adam is one of these. He was as round as a barrel when playing for Blackpool and yes he did superb for them but that's because he was their main player and given great freedom from the likes of Vaughan and one other (can't remember off hand, may still have been the Rangers DM) doing all the defensive work for him in centre mid. Corners and free kicks were excellent for Blackpool, great passing too. I was surprised that he didn't even bring the set pieces with him when he signed for us but sure look it's done now and thankfully he's long gone again.

He was always too round in the belly to step up, imo. A rich man's Andy Reid, back in team of the season at Championship level but wouldn't be much good in the PL.

He was also a disgrace in the tackle, cards and inflicting injuries on regular occasion.

EMS, Downing was crap mate, I am talking about his second season as well as his first season, he had very little end product, he was also a coward. I will bet you will struggle to find anyone who thinks Downing done well for us.

It's a flawed premise that is like saying not to sign Suarez because Forlan failed at United?

@lfcohio - an Ed responded to your post and there are 23 other responses before this - why say anything if u don't bother to check back

30 Jun 2014 01:26:24
Just to calm everyone down a bit, last season we did not win the prem and we had Suarez so if he leaves it really will not mean much except there I soon one there to embarrass the club and supporters again.
Has anyone seen markovic play, as it is reported we are in for him. If we sell Suarez and do not bring another striker in do you think that is a dangerous move? Eds and fans give your thoughts please.
Hibsylfc

Markovics main quality is inconsistency. He has the pace and ability to do damage to any team but in the 15 or so games I saw with him last season he just failed to really get a grip of any of the games and do something special. I would say in 6 or 7 of these games you wouldn't know he was playing. in a further 6-7 he would do some move to get by his man and then lack end product with the shot or cross. his crossing is better than his shooting imo though. the final 2 or 3 games he was all over the pitch tormenting defenders and looked great but again was quite wasteful. I think I saw 1 goal for him between the games and what should have been a couple of assists apart from glaring misses.

It is worth noting he doesn't start every game. he is very quick and agile. good runner with the ball at his feet also. crossing/passing is average and shooting is below par.

For me Thebes reported 25 mill fee is a HUGE gamble as I think he is at best on par with Shaqiri who is a player I am also not too fond of but shaqiri is half the price so I'd take him adv they both have good potential

To say that it won't make a difference because we didn't win the league is a bit ridiculous. He was the top scorer in the league, he was the player of the year, and probably cemented his position, in my opinion, just behind Messi and Ronaldo. Despite his antics, we have to be honest and say that Suarez is one of the finest players in the World and that we will miss him. Money thrown at a club is all well and good, but to purchase a player(s) to fill the gap is difficult. Spurs being a final example.