Liverpool Banter Archive March 30 2017

 

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30 Mar 2017 23:01:48
I heard Dembele has said he won't move to another club unless he is guaranteed first team football and I have a suspicion klopp will offer it to him. I like the player but it seems like a 25-30mil gamble. Brand seems like the no 1 target for the left then I think we will sign a young LB to gradually replace Milner and maybe a GK if mignolet leaves. Potentially we may sign a CM if the right player is available and depending on if can moves on along with Lucas but I think the plan is to drop coutinho into that position.

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31 Mar 2017 09:02:53
Why would you suspect klopp would offer him gauranteed starting 11? If people don't deliver he doesn't play them. This is the guy that won't have one of our best defenders back because of behaviour . I can't seem him allowing a 20 year old kid to decide when he plays. Is he any better than origi? Being in a Celtic team 20 points better than any other team is hardly a great judge of current ability.


31 Mar 2017 11:04:36
He guaranteed that Grujic would play regularly this season, my point is he has given these guarantees in the past when he really shouldn't be. Dembele is interesting all of the top clubs and I suspect it will be us, Spurs or Everton that give him what he wants. He fits klopps profile and I think firmino will drop back into the 3. If he thought origi had it he would have played on the multiple occasions we have struggled with injury. Personally I think origi will leave at the end of the 17/ 18 season when he realises another player has been signed to play ahead of him.


31 Mar 2017 11:16:22
I said before I think origi would probably score just as much if not more in that league. sometimes I think we all jump the gun and demand we sign someone just for the sake of it. let's try looking at what we have and trust in klopp.


31 Mar 2017 11:36:45
Gruijic has spent half the season injured so not a great example. Had he stayed fit there would have been opportunities for him. Big difference between saying he will get regular football and someone is guaranteed to start as your main striker at 20 years old.


31 Mar 2017 12:56:44
Like all of the opportunities Stewart has been getting? Even when we have injuries he is hesitant to put any of the youngsters in, Lucas has filled in a few times the youngsters have sat on the bench TAA is the only one I think he would feel comfortable playing.
Ojo was supposedly told he would get his chance when mane was away, he didn't get a sniff. Wilson, not a sniff Stewart no where to be seen why would Grujic be any different?


31 Mar 2017 15:18:26
People have to remember Klopp builds things that take time. That's why FSG what for Him because he fits the profile there looking for.


30 Mar 2017 21:25:14
Hi Eds, been reading earlier about a potential nan looming on is signing youth players over this kid from Stoke, is this another instance of us failing to learn from our previous mistakes with regards to tapping up? If so it's pretty unbelievable on our part! Cheers for all your work on the site as always, top lads/ ladies.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained this.}

30 Mar 2017 20:53:15
I just read that Liverpool might get sanctioned a summer transger ban, due to some issues involving a younger player of Stoke. I know you Eds have mentioned the way we tend to aproach or tap up players, might end up getting us into truble, but will a transfer ban be the result of it, or will a fine do?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - No, it is unlikely and certainly won't happen right away.}

30 Mar 2017 18:12:25
Hey Eds anything new on the Emre Can contract talks? What are your thoughts regarding him staying or leaving? Also have we had any advance talks with any of our summer targets, the ones mentioned in the recent podcast?

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new to report that I am aware of Harry.}

30 Mar 2017 18:27:40
I must admit I'm fairly worried by the amount of players that have turned us down recently and then all coming out in the media and telling everyone is annoying it must be about 5 players in the last month.

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30 Mar 2017 19:12:28
Who?

Wouldnt read too much into it tbh

Mane xould of gone anywhere. Came to us.

Karius decided we were the best place for him.

Few other signings we were probably biggest team for them.

Cou, lallana and the younger players are all signing extensions.

So what if people decided there future was placed away from us.

Inthe situation with dembele (dortmund)

We have mane, cou, lallana all infront of him and the likes of origi dint really get a look in.

Mkhi had juat left dortmund. they have a better track record at the moment than us with younger players.

Its going to happen.

Probably have another 10/ 15 choose different clubs over the summer, you just don't ususally hear about it.


30 Mar 2017 19:15:01
Did you listen to the sharkopod? did we miss out on anyone mentioned on it? If you go by who the newspapers say we are interested in, get ready jezza, we are going to miss out on a whole lot more than 5!


30 Mar 2017 19:23:36
After benitez we appointed roy which was one the worst decision made by club in our history and accepted mediocrity where teams like Chelsea united city etc moved rapidly with market. even with cl Rodgers massively struggled to get his 1st choice always had to settle for 3rd-4th choices and so is klopp. We are stuck behind where our rivals have moved on with market and that has to do a lot with our management rather than money.


30 Mar 2017 20:36:38
I'm talking about players that have specifically mentioned that they've rejected us. Pulisic, dembele, a lad at betis, werner and others have in the last month spoke of how they've rejected us recently (last couple of years) . These are average attainable players I'm not talking about the likes of Sanchez and mhk and costa they're kind of expected to reject us.


{Ed025's Note - you have to be some sort of player to reject liverpool jezza they are still one of the biggest draws in football, a lot of what players say is a load of tosh mate and are said to get the fans onside, if a player comes out with "i rejected LFC to come here" the fans will have their undying support, take it as a compliment i would say..

30 Mar 2017 21:09:13
Fair enough ed I take your point.


31 Mar 2017 02:42:04
Pulisic is far from an average attainable target. The kid is class, and is doing it for club and country. I think that FSG (get off their backs ) and Klopp would be right to go for him hard. However he needs to play.

My 2 cents
Matt in FL.


31 Mar 2017 10:52:06
It's also worth bearing in mind why some players have rejected us. Some have rejected us because they see the competition for their position and think that's not the best thing for their career at the moment - in other words they think we are too much of a step up for them to play regularly. And some have just had little interest in living in Liverpool which is also fair enough - nice as the city is, it's hardly a major international draw in the way that London, Madrid or even Turin are.


31 Mar 2017 13:22:47
One example is Mane, who said that he rejected Utd to come to us. That is patently false. Mane wanted to go to Utd last season under LVG and Saints wouldn't let him d and sulked and sulked until he got over it.

Also, Did it ever occur to people that players reject other clubs to come to us as it seems many want to project that this only happens in one sense? Hendo rejected Fergie's Utd (PL champions at the time) to come to us.

Firmino rejected Utd to come to us. Couts rejected Saints to come to us and many others. Players run their mouths all the time with most of the time no truth to it a la Mane. Just be happy about who we got and hope that said player (s) can improve us and STOP caring about what other teams are doing cos you'll just give yourselves migraines for no reason.


30 Mar 2017 17:47:46
Dortmund just signed Dahoud for £10 million.

Unbelievable.

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30 Mar 2017 18:31:54
In all fairness, an article came from Melissa Reddy before this transfer out saying Klopp had changed his mind of the type of midfielder necessary for our team and his focus has switched from Dahoud to a midfield in the mould of Naby Keita (well exactly Naby Keita in this instance) for our midfield.


30 Mar 2017 19:13:26
It will always happen.

England pay a premium. Its different when there's internal league transfers in europe.

We wouls if probably of been quoted 18/ 22 mil for him.

They all know the moneys there and take advantage.


30 Mar 2017 20:25:48
They signed Dembele for just above £11 mill last summer!


30 Mar 2017 21:58:32
This was bound to happen, we very rarely go back in for quality players that we previously show serious interest in. Dahoud has had another good season with monchengladbach so there was always going to be a host of better clubs interested in him, it's happened time and time again. There are lots of other options and I'm sure he wasn't our first option but I'm worried we will miss out on the players that bring the quality we need to take the next step. Over the past 4-5 years I've completely lost any faith in our recruitment and scouting systems and that is yet to change under Klopp.


31 Mar 2017 02:07:46
or rather, players that the papers say we have interest in.


31 Mar 2017 14:30:08
What's so unbelievable about it? Dahoud went to another club so big deal. Klopp was no longer interested in him and moved on months ago so he rejected no one as we were no longer interested in him. A woman cannot reject you if you did not ask her out.
I haven't lost any faith as players come and go. We got Wiji after we left Dahoud alone and he has been awesome for us so I don't care really provided we get players in who can improve us. By the way, Dahoud is NOT a marquee signing neither are kids like Ousmane Dembele, Pulisic or whoever. Promising players yes, BUT not marquee signings, just saying.


30 Mar 2017 16:19:17
Ed do you think we should give up on Sturridge? Do you think he could ever get over the injurys and replicate his best form with us or with someone else? He is apparently back in training ahead of the derby. I know you said Klopp wants him gone says it all to be honest ever since Klopp took over he hasn't trust him and called him out for not being tough enough. He is one of the best in the league when playing regularly there is no doubting that and the likes of Azmoun or Mariano aren't going to be much better than him. I would love if we could have him in for the last few games to let him try remind us what he has to offer he's a special player.

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{Ed002's Note - I think the injuries making planning a season difficult and his reluctance to play anywhere other than CF is likely an issue for Klipperty. I would expect that the klub will look to moove him on in the summer.}

30 Mar 2017 16:46:42
Thank you ed.


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

30 Mar 2017 16:49:58
I would say his best form was when suarez was setting him up and taking away defenders from him.


30 Mar 2017 20:22:25
There are enough players at liverpoo who could drag defenders and set him up. Coutinho, Firmino and Mane are terrific offeinsve players.
He don't work like Firmino, Hence he is on the bench.


31 Mar 2017 03:49:14
Coutinho, Firmino and Mane are terrific yes, but don't even come close to Suarez's quality. We're talking another level of footballer, there.


31 Mar 2017 14:37:06
He's a passenger on the pitch cos he's not willing to move and switch positions with the rest of the front three cos he's so fickle as to where he players. We are the best attacking team in the PL all without Studge so its not like we are struggling for goals so not bothered really about him.


30 Mar 2017 15:01:33
hi Ed's, a quick one regarding Woodgate. I did a search but not much came up. His partner told mine that Woodgate was joining LFC as a scout a good while back. I did some searching and didn't see anything official so thought it fell through or something. I then read a very small piece the other day that he has left to become a coach at Middlesborough yet nothing was on the official site. Could you please confirm whether he was actually at LFC and what his role was, is he highly though of as a scout? Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - He joined a few months ago and has now left to work at Middlesborough. He simply looked at a few players in Iberia.}

30 Mar 2017 15:18:45
Ah ok, cheers Ed, just seemed an unusual scenario.


{Ed002's Note - Not really, an opportunity came up to try and do some coaching for Middlebrough as opposed to just watching a few games for Liverpool.}

30 Mar 2017 14:14:18
Eds you mentioned a first choice left wing we're chasing can you elaborate? Is he brandt? And is klopp planning to find coutinho a new position if that's the case?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are keen on Brandt - this has all been done to death. It is unrelated to Coutinho.}

30 Mar 2017 20:14:12
I'd be happy if we got Brandt. He's a talented lad.


30 Mar 2017 13:20:29
Eds. Not necessarily a rumor but is ....

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page - I am not answering questions about random players.}

30 Mar 2017 12:52:35
Papers latest attempts at guessing the players LFC will target are -

Max Meyer
James Rodriguez
Riza Durmisi

Make of it what you will.

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30 Mar 2017 13:25:23
also read marco asensio.
but its all just BS anyway.


30 Mar 2017 12:46:17
Ed What do you think will happen to Milner when we sign a left back? can't see him getting into the first 11 to be honest especially ahead of Wijnaldum and Lallana and for the wages he is on surely we can't let him sit on the bench doe he not need to go?

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{Ed001's Note - I expect him to want to leave if he is not guaranteed first team football.}

30 Mar 2017 14:00:50
I posted at the start of the season that Klopp will move him to right back when we sign a left back. I still think this is likely. Milner has shown he is an effective full back, will get up and down the line with a strong engine and has good delivery with his right foot. He should be even more comfortable at RB.
Also he is consistant, loyal and a total professional.


30 Mar 2017 14:13:33
I would love if he was moved to right back but He said himself fitzy in an interview that he doesn't want to play at full back at all, he is just playing there as that is where the manager has asked him to play and he wants to help the team. He moved to us in the first place because he thought he could get more opportunities in midfield with us. Maybe there is a chance he could stay if Klopp convinces him to stay at full back, after all we are linked with very young left backs so they might not be ready to come in and be first choice straight away.


30 Mar 2017 15:39:20
He refused to resign at city because he wasn't getting first team action, then he was promised to be in the first team midfield by Brendan which obviously is what he's always wanted, he did not play well there, I can't remember him having one good game there so he was put out on the right which is probably his best position. At least at full back he's playing regulary, as opposed to being a bit part player at city. Next season I wouldn't mind him playing at right back at all, I think we have much bigger priorities than bringing in a new right back anyway so Milner wouldn't be a bad shout if things don't improve with Clyne. Personally I'd be surprised if we let him go as Milner would be the perfect utility player even though he wouldn't want that at all. I actually rate Milner but going forward I don't see how he gets into the first team other than full back or filling in for injuries.


30 Mar 2017 19:37:13
He is on a very high wage to be a mere cover. I expect him to remain at LB coming season with Liverpool buying a young 16 year old player from championship as understudy.


30 Mar 2017 05:01:02
I always try and be positive (unless I'm looking at a naked pic of Ed's 001) but I can't help but think if we'd only won 3 more games this season what could have been? Southampton away, City away and Swansea at home were proper heartbreakers, 3 games that on the day we should have won given how they panned out. That would have given us 7 more points and hope of glory. Shoulda woulda coulda I suppose. Furthermore I'm incredulous at how detractors of klopp get on the 'he's not a tactician' bandwagon! Excellent man management can only get you so far in football you need some tactical acumen to be successful. Please guys give klopp some time and judge him at the end of next season. We're supremely fortunate to have this guy at the the helm let's not be Arsenal.

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30 Mar 2017 07:02:31
True this mate, gives hope though that we are for the first time in years genuinely just behind or on par with the best teams/ squads in the league. With a couple new recruits and no major losses we should be genuine title contenders on multiple fronts next season instead of blind optimism.


30 Mar 2017 11:47:57
Could add bournemouth as one as well! TBH think this is a mental part on the players. Is a small part luck, a bigger part focus and the right mentality. for example lallanas miss at city was a mental slip and should have been buried 11 out of 10 times and firmino had a one on one and hit it straight at the keeper.


30 Mar 2017 14:00:16
The idea of naked pictures of ed01 existing in this universe disturbs me.


{Ed001's Note - you seem to have spelt excites incorrectly.....}

30 Mar 2017 14:36:47
I'd add Spurs away and Utd away to that list too.


30 Mar 2017 14:40:50
What ifs are always dangerous as you tend to overlook the games where we were lucky to gain points.

My ambition for next season is to consolidate top 4 whilst competing on multiple fronts. If we manage that then hopefully we have a proper crack at the title in 18/ 19.


30 Mar 2017 14:43:48
At Arsenal he would have got the same treatment as Wenger is having atm. He is fortunate to be with Liverpool where he could play the card ". I need more time. "
No top club would even consider that excuse.
If city fails to win the title next season they will sack one of the biggest managers in the game!


30 Mar 2017 15:24:37
If Sunderland won all their games, they'd be top of the league.


30 Mar 2017 17:08:49
Pep is not that big, he's a little fella.


29 Mar 2017 23:12:02
Hello 'the ever so hardworking and patient' Ed's. Read recently about Liverpool's contract negotiation with Lovren and how they have reopened talks after failing to reach a conclusion earlier in the year. My question (s) goes as follows;
1) Do players ever take a salary reduction, if they haven't been able to establish themselves at the level that was expected?
2) In situations like these, where there is a general public opinion (and some respectable opinions, such as of Ed1) that the player is not upto the club standard, does the Club use that to offer a contract with a reduced salary or does the Club have a completely different way of approaching that?
3) What kind of things (metrics), if any, are used by the player (or Agent) and Club to determine the new contract value? I am guessing there is definitely off-field appeal and attraction considered, but I might be wrong.

Would love to hear thoughts of either Ed1 or Ed2.

Feel like its not said enough, but Thank YOU to all the Ed's for your selfless devotion to this site.

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{Ed001's Note - 1. Very rarely, usually they take lower pay elsewhere rather than stay. The only times I can think of, when a player has accepted a reduction, were in times of financial crisis for the club they played for.
2. Public opinion is never considered or used.
3. The agent and player will meet and set an amount between themselves based on other contracts for similar players, club's financial situation etc. The off field attraction is not involved, except when it comes to image rights, which is not really a salary based deal anyway.}

30 Mar 2017 16:57:19
Thank you, Ed1. If I may ask a follow up question. What really causes these break downs in Contract negotiations. There are times when papers report that a negotiation was started and then stopped and resumed a few months later. Is it simply due to the Club and players not agreeing on the wages? Just wondering if these media articles make it a bigger hoopla than it actually is, or is there some serious number crunching done in these negotiations?


{Ed001's Note - usually they just reach in impasse and go away to think things over for a bit. Or it can be that time imposes itself. Player's representatives have lots of other players on their books usually, so they can't just sit and haggle over figures for days on end.}

 
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