Liverpool Banter Archive November 30 2010

 

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30 Nov 2010 23:50:04
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By all accounts carlton cole has signed a pre contract for 8.5 million in jan! Talk sport reports

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i hope talksport are talking out there apse again like they usually do

me an all mate he is a waste of space

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30 Nov 2010 23:47:42
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What the hell is happening to our club, it wasnt long ago we were signing the likes of mascherano and torres not we are being linked with a bunch of s* t players who would never have made it anywhere near our team a couple of seasons ago we should be buy quality players and not players who have scored a couple of goals in one match and are all of a sudden world superstars, we need players the quality of aguero or ppl like that to get anywhere near the league title ED who would u like to see signed? {ed's note - I feel like a stuck record, but I want 3 players, Keisuke Honda, Fernando Llorente and Alexis Sanchez. I think that would be enough to take the club up to the level of challenging for the league, IF the youngsters were given more of a chance instead of sticking with the experienced heads that have consistently let us down. By the way Aguero is set to sign a new contract extension so I would forget him mate.}

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30 Nov 2010 23:24:14
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What do you think of a Torres & Bent partnership at Anfield people?

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30 Nov 2010 23:20:53
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What's your source then? You sound so reliable, you can't even spell "worse" (in your case, worst- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
ooooops am so so sorry i will make sure my hand OR MY FINGA OR SHOULD ONE SAY FINGERRRRRR IS 2 BUTTONS OVER TO THE LEFT NEXT TIME I TYPE.

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30 Nov 2010 23:16:52
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Imo, goalkeeper should never be a captain. captain is the man who represent the team.if something happen, captain are the one who should do the talking with the ref. he is the man between other player n referee. but if keeper got the armband, then a problem occur in the other end of pitch, how can he stand up for his team?so for me, i say no to pepe for captaincy.
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on the contrary captain should a be a man who has the view of whats going on the field, who can lead, who has the trust of the players and who is a fighter 100% of the time. Reina is known to have good relation ship with everyone in the dressing room, he is a fighter, he never gives up, very consistent and he has been around long enough to earn it. if its not him it should be kuyt. the greek shouldnt even play while wilson and kelly can do better at that position

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30 Nov 2010 23:16:34
Honda could play anywhere.
originally a striker but used as a utility player as can play most midfield positions,
he left footed too.

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30 Nov 2010 23:14:46
I've been seeing people talk about Fernando Torres needing a big tall target-man as a strike partner for knock downs and all that kinda stuff.

Personally, I disagree. I think we need someone who can fully compliment him. Well we need someone who can bag a good 20 odd goals a season and really take the burden off him.

It's hard to explain the type of player I think we need. But just as an example: Tevez? (we have no chance, just using him as an example).

And I believe I can support my opinion. Remember Gerrard partnering him up front? The little fancy flicks, the through balls, the one-twos, and the goalscoring. That partnership was ripping the Premiership to pieces. Gerrard had the class and skill to fully compliment him.

I think we need someone who can do that as opposed to a big, strong target man. And I fully believe the effectiveness of the Gerrard/ Torres partnership backs me up.

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I totally agree with this post. I really think that an Aguero-Torres partnership would rip the premiership to shreds. Just imagine. . Wow i really think that partnership with Stevie amd Merieles playing center mid too would be a strong enough quintet to scare any defence in Europe!

Village.


Lavezzi from Napoli would also be a great partner for Torres! Looked very useful against us!

PJ Red {ed's note - I would still go for Llorente, he can do all that and is big and tall to provide flicks on etc.}

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30 Nov 2010 23:14:46
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Team for Bucharest on Thursday:

Reina (c)

Kelly
Kyrgiakos
Wilson
Aurelio

Shelvey
Lucas
Poulsen
Jovanovic

Cole

Babel

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30 Nov 2010 23:07:21
Jones

Kelly, Soto, Reina, Konchesky

Maxi, Poulsen, Lucas, Jovanovic

Torres, Babel


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I would prefer this:
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Kelly- -Skrtel- Wilson- -Mavinga
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Cole- - - - - - - - - Jovanovic
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Does anyone else feel like Joe Cole would be so much better on the right wing? I just cannot understand why we stick him out on the left because all he ever wants to do is cut in to his right foot.
Anfield Rapstar

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30 Nov 2010 22:57:49
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It is start to look like all of the Honda rumours are actually coming to fruition. According to the transfer rumours section on the LFC page we are actually in talks with CSKA. Honestly if this is the only player we can get in January I would be happy. I think our spending will be in the summer but Honda makes sense now because he wants out soon, the Russian league ends at the end of the year, and it makes financial sense for NESV to buy this player. And we might get him for about 10m. Also his versatility makes him an ideal Jan. signing because he can come into the team in so many different positions. Right now I would play him at left back, wouldn't you ed?
Anfield Rapstar {ed's note - or left wing instead of Maxi.}

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30 Nov 2010 22:43:38
Im having a good day, after getting made redundant 18 months ago and being 55 and no chance of getting another job, unknown to me 3k was put into my account from dwp, some rebate or other, so good christmas thank god, but even more important on the manowe romours site they are so pissed off with the result tonight, and they are buying everyone in jan, and their eds saying what you all on about there is no money from the sale of the cheating diving prick, lifes just getting better,
jimmybosun, ps if you put my nickname on youtube you can see some of my rescued hedgehogs and see some of the hoggies i called torres, gerrard, ect,

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30 Nov 2010 22:36:47
Was talking about the Gerrard-Torres partnership earlier, and how effective it was.

Maybe when Gerrard comes back we should try and re-ignite that partnership? Stick with Lucas and Meireles in the middle which worked well. Simple 4-4-2.

Anyone agree?

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30 Nov 2010 22:14:48
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The payments made by PL teams to agents for the period between end september 09 to end september 10 was published today, we are second highest payers with over 9m, second to chelsea .
Who / why on earth did we pay this for? Spurs that had a flood of new players paid less than half.

Roy

Thats cos 'Arry' took the other half as a bung!

Kopitetillidie

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30 Nov 2010 22:08:49
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Couple of points c.cole took his goals well tonight, look more at the races , big thanks to mr boughton on his last day we all owe you one. And all the best to j, c on Friday with his shoulder op and a speedy recovery .cheers psvelnino

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30 Nov 2010 22:06:54
We should not pin our hopes on players from clubs like Tottenham, Sevilla, Lyon and Valencia. . . . The chairmen of all the above clubs are notorious in their valuations of the players and handling of the deals. . . . Just look at Fabiano now. . .
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The only reason the fees go up so high is because the richer clubs come in for them, and the clubs like the one you mentioned know they can get bigger fees off richer clubs. Thats probably why no-one knows what players we are targeting - we want to avoid bidding wars with clubs who we can't compete financially with.

For example, we went in for David Silva a couple of years ago and the Valencia chairman made in public in Spain, which prompted clubs like R.Madrid and Barcelona to step in. His price went from £15m to about £30m - we couldn't compete.

Thats why no-one appears to know who we are after, and I fully support that kind of approach.

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30 Nov 2010 22:06:51
West Ham result throws the weekends Xmas money match into sharp relief I think

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30 Nov 2010 22:02:44
Team to play Steua

Jones

Kelly, Soto, Reina, Konchesky

Maxi, Poulsen, Lucas, Jovanovic

Torres, Babel


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30 Nov 2010 22:02:43
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ED what would you say the probability of us getting honda in january is? (out of 10)
Olly

{EDitor's Note: 6.448}

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30 Nov 2010 21:46:17
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"Evening ed everyone .can you shed a bit of light on something for me . there is a lot of talk about Honda coming in January , but will he be playing in the asian cup .cheers psvelnino {ed's note - that could be a problem, but he might ask to be left out of the squad to help him settle, players have done that in the past.}"

surely honda could play in the Asian Cup and still transfer to us - he jst has to sign a contract, which could easily be faxed 2 him!
alright, it would mean he doesn't join up with us for a few more weeks, but i'd take the delay to get him!

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30 Nov 2010 21:44:44
Love west ham
hate the scum
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30 Nov 2010 21:43:29
I'm really surprised by the WH - MU score. I thought Utd would win easily given that they haven't played a competitive game since the Rangers game. Well there goes the theory that training and scrimmages are adequate preparation to football games.

Olivier

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30 Nov 2010 21:36:15
"From what I was told, Rafa Benitez was fully willing to match the asking price for Barry (£18m - quoted by O'Neill) but Rick Parry had a say in transfers then and didn't want that kind of money spent on Barry. Then obviously Robbie Keane came instead. (I hear Rafa wasn't as keen on that deal, hence why he off-loaded him 6months later).

I find that believable, because when Rafa negotiated a new deal, one of the conditions was that he was in full control of transfers."


From what I remember Barry was in his last year and we could 've got him for as low as 8m , and I do remember there were a lot of snigger's when city paid 12m for him.
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He actually had two years left on his contract when Liverpool first went in for him. Then of course, we didn't want to match the fee and Alonso decided to stay, having his best season ever.

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30 Nov 2010 21:30:32
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The payments made by PL teams to agents for the period between end september 09 to end september 10 was published today, we are second highest payers with over 9m, second to chelsea .
Who / why on earth did we pay this for? Spurs that had a flood of new players paid less than half.
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we paid £65,000 for Aquillani, torres 110k, gerrard 120k, carrager 80k, kuyt, maxi, reina and jovanovic close to 70k. , johnson close that amount.cole 90k.
thats equivalent to paying £50k for 16 players.
out of these may be torres, gerrard and reina would get the same amount if they went to other teams. kuyt over paid but 40% of it goes to charity, jova, maxi, johnson, aquillani (we are still paying half of his salary) all over paid compared to the service they offer the club

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30 Nov 2010 21:29:26
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Frank Rijkaard almost certain to be the next Liverpool managerReports are starting to come in that Frank Rijkaard is almost certain to replace Roy Hodgson as the next Liverpool manager.

Money has flooded in to some bookies in recent days and now William Hill go massive odds on that Rijkaard will be named as the next manager at Anfield.

Money forces prices down and there is no way that Hills would have such short odds unless significant money had been placed on Rijkaard, add this to the comments from Rijkaard's agent about managing Liverpool and some reports in the Dutch media that meetings have already taken place and you have a scenario building that has the writing on the wall for current manager Roy Hodgson.

Another factor is that the new owners will be loathe to give a manager money to spend in the January transfer window if they are going to let him go and despite improved performances in recent weeks Liverpool still find themselves stuck mid table.

The end game for Hodgson now looks to be in play and with the bookies, media and agents all more or less stating that Rijkaard is to be the next Liverpool manager it does appear that it is now just a matter of time.

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I hope he becomes manager of lfc. He will get the respect of the liverpool players and also he's got a good record of finding and bring youth through. Plays good football and won the cl with barcelona. He did wonders for them. But i reckon it's just rumors. Not the first time odds have been slashed and nothing happened.

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30 Nov 2010 21:28:51
Maybe c cole would be a good signing 2 tonight against the scum

there again i don't want him near our club

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30 Nov 2010 21:25:31
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I would like to see this happening:

Reina
Johnson Kelly Agger Wilson
Meireles
Hazard/ Honda Gerrard Johnson/ Mata
Torres Benzema

with the second string being:

Jones
Matthews Carragher Wisdom Robinson
Lucas
Amoo Shelvey Sterling
N'Gog Pacheco

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30 Nov 2010 21:25:00
"From what I was told, Rafa Benitez was fully willing to match the asking price for Barry (£18m - quoted by O'Neill) but Rick Parry had a say in transfers then and didn't want that kind of money spent on Barry. Then obviously Robbie Keane came instead. (I hear Rafa wasn't as keen on that deal, hence why he off-loaded him 6months later).

I find that believable, because when Rafa negotiated a new deal, one of the conditions was that he was in full control of transfers."


From what I remember Barry was in his last year and we could 've got him for as low as 8m , and I do remember there were a lot of snigger's when city paid 12m for him.

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30 Nov 2010 21:23:05
Folks, see all this paper talk - take it with a pinch of salt. It's all lies and like people say, lazy journalism.

The papers tell lies time and time again. One week, we hear about Reina and Torres having clauses in their contracts, only for it to be proven wrong. Next week, we hear that Reina has handed in a transfer request - only for it to be denied by the player hours later.

Listen to what Heny has been telling us about transfers. He wants value for money and he doesn't want to pay over the odds for players and doesn't want to be paying a player more than he's worth. - Listen to the facts lads.

Based on the above - players like SWP, C.Cole and Djibril Cisse (three examples) just simply do not fit into the criteria. SWP for example, is nearly 30 and wants big wages, and he wouldn't produce enough on the field to merit even £10,000 a week let alone £60,000+.

Obviously, that doesn't mean there'll be an age limit on who we sign. I'm sure if say someone 28 years of age was available for a reasonable fee, and on reasonable wages, and he was a good player, we wouldn't pass up the opportunity but we're simply not going to splash out on players nearing the end, if not at the end. Big example - Forlan - 31 years old, £15m atleast, a good £80,000 p/ w. Won't happen.

So take the paper talk with a pinch of salt. It's total nonsense. A lot of the newspapers today actually revile Liverpool for different reasons and will look to write about us in a critical manner, and they know that linking us with crap players will worry us and get the likes of Spurs or United fans mocking us. And they generally just want to make a mockery of our club.

Look at a paper like the Liverpool Echo, if some of the transfer stories being put out there were of any credibility or of any substance I'm sure the Echo would report it. Examples, I seen the Echo reporting the rumours linking us with players who signed (and maybe didn't play that well).

Its all lies etc. folks, so I wouldn't get worried. Plus, for the first time in ages, things are being done more privately and professionally by our football club. So I don't know how these t* t journalists could possibly know who our targets are.

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30 Nov 2010 21:22:20
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30 Nov 2010 21:13:46
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A couple months ago I said we should get Charlton Cole, and I was slated. . .Well tonight just shows you why I was correct all this time. ha ha ha 4-0 to the hammers, funny how the scem look rubbish

carlton cole is rubbish jus cos he scores 2 goals against an in experienced man united doesn't make him world class striker that needs to partner torres hes poo simple as

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30 Nov 2010 21:16:47
" read some of the post n they said some of our transfer target is lahm, juan mata, benzema, hazard n adam johnson. but the question is, do they want to play for liverpool?its hard for me to say this, but right now pool is not 1 of the england best club. i doubt that a bayern captain will trade his armband to play in EUROPA LEAGUE for us. n for other player mention above, many top club watching them right now.they won't choose us.
any comment ed?
-cage- {ed's note - hard to say mate, but Liverpool is still one of the biggest names in world football and that is a big draw.}"

Yes we have a big name in the world of football , but Bayern's bigger . .
I think Cage is right, I find it difficult to believe we would get big names with our current set up and position, 3 things attract big players ,
1-current/ recent status of a club,
2- the manager
3- money
And lets face it . we fail on all counts.

Another point Adam Johnson will not be leaving City, and if he does it will be to the championship or abroad.The only players City will sell to other PL teams are those that passed their sell by date aka swp or Bridge
Roy

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30 Nov 2010 21:15:30
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About the Alonso / Rafa / Barry story .
It was all down to money, At the time Alonso was not performing but could get 20m for him, Barry was at the top of his game and could've been ours for 8m , would have left Rafa with ~ 10m to spend else where . but at the last minute owners pulled the plug as they did many times, and you lot must admit, we did see a far better Alonso after this saga, his last year with us was his best .

I know most of you won't believe this, you are only interested in "Rafa was stupid stories" , just like the press want you to think .
I am not saying he got everything right, he did few things wrong , (Keane situation for one).

Roy

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Yes Even the Keane situation is rumoured to be Parry's fault. . . . .It seems Parry blinked first when Levy suddenly hiked Keane's price at the last moment. . . I am damn sure owners must have assured that they will get Barry. . . . Other wise I don't think Rafa would have bought Keane for tht kind of money. . .It was Parry who messed up as always. . . .

We should not pin our hopes on players from clubs like Tottenham, Sevilla, Lyon and Valencia. . . . The chairmen of all the above clubs are notorious in their valuations of the players and handling of the deals. . . . Just look at Fabiano now. . . .

By the way West ham leading ManU 4-0 as I type. . . . .


Pritam

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30 Nov 2010 21:13:18
Utd 3 Down, Glentoran beatin Linfield 2 Nil. . Great.

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30 Nov 2010 21:06:04
About the Alonso / Rafa / Barry story .
It was all down to money, At the time Alonso was not performing but could get 20m for him, Barry was at the top of his game and could've been ours for 8m , would have left Rafa with ~ 10m to spend else where . but at the last minute owners pulled the plug as they did many times, and you lot must admit, we did see a far better Alonso after this saga, his last year with us was his best .

I know most of you won't believe this, you are only interested in "Rafa was stupid stories" , just like the press want you to think .
I am not saying he got everything right, he did few things wrong , (Keane situation for one).

Roy
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From what I was told, Rafa Benitez was fully willing to match the asking price for Barry (£18m - quoted by O'Neill) but Rick Parry had a say in transfers then and didn't want that kind of money spent on Barry. Then obviously Robbie Keane came instead. (I hear Rafa wasn't as keen on that deal, hence why he off-loaded him 6months later).

I find that believable, because when Rafa negotiated a new deal, one of the conditions was that he was in full control of transfers.

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30 Nov 2010 21:05:26
Go on west ham, stick that up ur apse whiskey nose

REDNOSE

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30 Nov 2010 20:59:48
30 Nov 2010 20:38:04
I've been seeing people talk about Fernando Torres needing a big tall target-man as a strike partner for knock downs and all that kinda stuff.

Personally, I disagree. I think we need someone who can fully compliment him. Well we need someone who can bag a good 20 odd goals a season and really take the burden off him.

It's hard to explain the type of player I think we need. But just as an example: Tevez? (we have no chance, just using him as an example).

And I believe I can support my opinion. Remember Gerrard partnering him up front? The little fancy flicks, the through balls, the one-twos, and the goalscoring. That partnership was ripping the Premiership to pieces. Gerrard had the class and skill to fully compliment him.

I think we need someone who can do that as opposed to a big, strong target man. And I fully believe the effectiveness of the Gerrard/ Torres partnership backs me up.

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I totally agree with this post. I really think that an Aguero-Torres partnership would rip the premiership to shreds. Just imagine. . Wow i really think that partnership with Stevie amd Merieles playing center mid too would be a strong enough quintet to scare any defence in Europe!

Village.

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30 Nov 2010 20:59:05
30 Nov 2010 20:28:25
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"Insua used in rotation."

Sorry but this is ridiculous, Aurelio and possibly Konchesky are better than Insua.

I think the problem is they are both very poor & the only one who is half descent can't be relied on to be fit!

The Irish Rover

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30 Nov 2010 20:56:14
Wilson to start against S.Bucharest (sp.)

Good news. This will be a hard game for us, and the atmosphere in Romania will probably be intimidating so we'll see what Wilson is made of.

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30 Nov 2010 20:38:04
I've been seeing people talk about Fernando Torres needing a big tall target-man as a strike partner for knock downs and all that kinda stuff.

Personally, I disagree. I think we need someone who can fully compliment him. Well we need someone who can bag a good 20 odd goals a season and really take the burden off him.

It's hard to explain the type of player I think we need. But just as an example: Tevez? (we have no chance, just using him as an example).

And I believe I can support my opinion. Remember Gerrard partnering him up front? The little fancy flicks, the through balls, the one-twos, and the goalscoring. That partnership was ripping the Premiership to pieces. Gerrard had the class and skill to fully compliment him.

I think we need someone who can do that as opposed to a big, strong target man. And I fully believe the effectiveness of the Gerrard/ Torres partnership backs me up.

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30 Nov 2010 20:29:17
I think we will bring in some signings in January, but it makes sense that we will get rid of some players as well.I hope the likes of Elmander and Cole are just paper talk.We must bring in quality not quantity.We certainly don't need older players looking for a nice fat contract to finish their careers on. We need hungry players who have got something to prove.The Ed is right we are still a monster name all over the world.Most of all we need a new manager picking the style of player we buy.We must start offering Entertainment on the pitch.and we really need a pace injection at the back, but we do have decent youngsters, who could come into the team and offer that.

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30 Nov 2010 20:28:25
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"Insua used in rotation."

Sorry but this is ridiculous, Aurelio and possibly Konchesky are better than Insua.

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30 Nov 2010 20:24:51
Liverpool Rumours
If roy is around in jan which seems unlikely it doesn't matter if carlton cole is top of roys wish list, as its not roy targeting the players anymore its commoli. he will never give the green light on the transfer, and if we are to believe in nesv's player criteria, of young, marketable players will a sell on price at a later date then cole doesn't fit that bill either. so to all the people on here who reckon you are "in the know" you're taking rubbish, as the eds themselves have little or no info and seem to be about the most clued people up on this site.
and also to any one who is screaming out for o neil to replace roy when he steps down. . . . if you think the football being played is poor now, then you're in for a shock as route one long ball football isn't great to watch either. roy to go before xmas, and and a new man brought in, senior players imo will have a huge say in the appointment as the board can use this against them as leverage if things don't pick up straight away and players like torres etc want out

matt27

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30 Nov 2010 20:22:47
Liverpool Rumours
Who would your rather play in carras apesencee

Kelly or Wilson= belivable

Soto Kryinakos= unbelivable

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30 Nov 2010 20:20:37
Imo, goalkeeper should never be a captain. captain is the man who represent the team.if something happen, captain are the one who should do the talking with the ref. he is the man between other player n referee. but if keeper got the armband, then a problem occur in the other end of pitch, how can he stand up for his team?so for me, i say no to pepe for captaincy.

-cage-

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30 Nov 2010 20:13:12
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr cannie believe i'm reading that Woy is mulling over whether to give the Captaincy to Pepe or The Greek. . . . For me it is a complete cert that Pepe should have it. . He has been the best keeper in the Prem for so long now and throughout Europe is regarded as one of the best if not the best too. . . Ever since he joined he has been one of our top performers and fully deserves it!

Arise Cap'n Pepe.

Village

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Also, if he is given the captaincy, it would be difficult for me to leave Liverpool. . .I am not saying impossible but difficult. . .

Pritam

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I think Pepe will stay with us for a long while yet! Hopefully he eventually gets the Captaincy full term and becomes one of our most successful Captains ever!

Village

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30 Nov 2010 20:08:53
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr cannie believe i'm reading that Woy is mulling over whether to give the Captaincy to Pepe or The Greek. . . . For me it is a complete cert that Pepe should have it. . He has been the best keeper in the Prem for so long now and throughout Europe is regarded as one of the best if not the best too. . . Ever since he joined he has been one of our top performers and fully deserves it!

Arise Cap'n Pepe.

Village

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Also, if he is given the captaincy, it would be difficult for me to leave Liverpool. . .I am not saying impossible but difficult. . .

Pritam

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30 Nov 2010 20:04:48
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr cannie believe i'm reading that Woy is mulling over whether to give the Captaincy to Pepe or The Greek. . . . For me it is a complete cert that Pepe should have it. . He has been the best keeper in the Prem for so long now and throughout Europe is regarded as one of the best if not the best too. . . Ever since he joined he has been one of our top performers and fully deserves it!

Arise Cap'n Pepe.

Village

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30 Nov 2010 20:00:19
Liverpool Rumours
Completely average is a bit of an understatement. I'm glad he chose money over football.
Now I am probably completely wrong on this but I thought Rafa tried to get Barry to keep Stevie G on side as they are good friends?

MUSHROOM {ed's note - I am not convinced on that story, I just don't see him buying a player unless he rates him, Rafa is too stubborn to do that.}
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I did read this thread. . I believe the Ed is right. . .No point in buying a player just because of friendship. .Some observations below. . . .

1. I think it took Rafa 2 seasons to understand that he cannot control an EPL match to the same degree as opposed to a LA LIGA match. . . Hence he decided to be more direct and attacking in the EPL. . therby the blueprint for 4-4-2. .

2. He was looking for width and pace, hence the signings like Pennant, Riera and Mark Gonzalez and pursuits like Barry (to complement Gerrard) and Keane. . . . But Barry was an important part of the blueprint. . Parry couldnt get him and instead got Keane first (for 20 million pounds) thereby raising Barry's price as well

3. Agreed Alonso played very well in his first and last season at Liverpool. . . But the three years between them were good at best. . And Rafa was told he had to sell inorder to buy. . .Alonso was his best asset then(apart from Torres and Gerrard). .He tried to sell Alonso to Juventus. . . .It didn't come off and hence Rafa's Barry pursuit was unsuccessful

4. Another myth is Rafa mostly bought average players. . .I would say he bought too many average squad and reserve players. .That part is correct. . . But he bought decent first team players with the financial restrictions he was saddled with. . .Remember RAFA ALWAYS SHOPPED IN THE BARGAIN WINDOW COMPARED TO THE LIKES OF Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, manchester United etc. . .

5. I love Rafa because he tries to play positive (not necessarily attacking) football but his problem is CONTROL. . .He is one of those guys who doesn't want anything to leave to chance, thereby restricting players' creativity by assigning them specific instructions (especially to wingers). . . .I don't know why but I miss Rafa, at least he stood up for the players, Roy doesnt. . .Remember Fergusson-Torres issue earlier in the season. .


I know a lot of people will screw me for the above views but then on any day I would prefer Rafa to Roy. . .


Pritam

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30 Nov 2010 19:51:35
Liverpool Rumours
Roy and his signings. .

OK lets not keep bringing up that KONCHESKY and POULSEN are terrible signings. Can no one remember that we have just changed owners and that our dear dear friends Hicks and Giblets refused to put any money into the team after they had seen rafa waste half of it. . plus a takeover was in the process. .

At the end of the day the only money he actually spent was on MEIRELES and look how he is turning out. Plus why on earth would we get rid of Lucas. . he is now showing why he is at the club and is a first team regular. . he is not going mark my words. Our signings (if any) might not be big names, they might not turn everyones heads, but they will prove to be worth while, just sit back and trust NESV and Comoli

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30 Nov 2010 19:51:04
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I just want take my hat off to Barca last night were fantastic.A ''real'' victory for pure beautiful football, in the last week or so there has been a mix of bad and good headlines to come out of football.From bent FIFA to Real's dodgy red cards, which two of our former players and CL winners were involved in.Aswell as the scotts refs striking.The good being last weekends PL was fantastic despite the classico the EPL is the best league in the world i love it and long may last

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30 Nov 2010 19:49:52
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Liverpool Rumours
A close source of Liverpool and a close family friend has said to me, Liverpool to hijack a few transfers from other clubs, such as Adam Johnson £12m and Karim Benzema £14m, the clubs you may of heard of after these two stars are Arsenal, Man utd and Aston Villa. Liverpool aim to real the two stars in at anfield by promising silver wear for this season, (not sure how it would work for them both as of cup ties?). . also In the summer liverpool looking to sign Stephen Pienaar on a free transfer along with michael owen. .


Mate you were flying until you ran into Owen.

I Defend my post about Michael Owen. . The Reason for this signing is purely just for back up. . Liverpool will resort to the current 4-4-2. . with Torres and Benzema. . Team as follows
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JOHNSON. . . . CARRAGHER. . SKRTEL. . KONCHESKY
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. . . . . . . . . . . .BENZEMA. .TORRES. . . . . . . . . . .

SUBS: JONES, AGGER, KYGRIAKOS, AURELIO, LUCAS, SHELVEY, SPEARING, NGOG, OWEN

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30 Nov 2010 19:45:51
Liverpool Rumours
I read some of the post n they said some of our transfer target is lahm, juan mata, benzema, hazard n adam johnson. but the question is, do they want to play for liverpool?its hard for me to say this, but right now pool is not 1 of the england best club. i doubt that a bayern captain will trade his armband to play in EUROPA LEAGUE for us. n for other player mention above, many top club watching them right now.they won't choose us.
any comment ed?

-cage- {ed's note - hard to say mate, but Liverpool is still one of the biggest names in world football and that is a big draw.}

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30 Nov 2010 19:42:11
How did Drogba take two seasons to settle in? More like a month or two. He was fantastic from the off at Chelsea. Torturing defenders with his strength, height, and his hold up play was excellent. And his scoring record wasn't bad, although that wasn't his key job in Mourinho's system.
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No he wasn't. Drogba was auwfull I'm his first season, there was rumoursof Chelsea off loading him. He has been fantastic since

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Then you obviously didn't watch him playing much at all. People failed to acknowledge the job he was doing for the Chelsea team.

People were just ignorant and said: "blah blah amount of goals, £24m not good enough". And he did score a fair amount of goals.

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30 Nov 2010 19:29:07
How did Drogba take two seasons to settle in? More like a month or two. He was fantastic from the off at Chelsea. Torturing defenders with his strength, height, and his hold up play was excellent. And his scoring record wasn't bad, although that wasn't his key job in Mourinho's system.
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No he wasn't. Drogba was auwfull I'm his first season, there was rumoursof Chelsea off loading him. He has been fantastic since

Bob loblaw

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30 Nov 2010 19:26:52
See stevie gerrard finally got his hands on a premiership winners medal, mr abramovich gave him one for his great passback last season, i'll bet anybody that liverpool will not win the league in the next 10 year,
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30 Nov 2010 19:23:32
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Ed do you think Roy will be giving much longer if we continue to lose matches? I don't see the point in sticking by him till the end of the season.We will not get any better with his policy of experience comes first.He is a dinosaur a nice enough bloke but a dinosaur.I think a new manager will be in place by Xmas.I hope so anyway.

Jiminy cricket {ed's note - if we lose matches he will be gone, but the intention is to stick with him until the end of the season, I believe.}

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30 Nov 2010 19:19:33
Liverpool Rumours
If Fat Ronaldo signs (V. unlikely), how about 42 year old Romario, Zico, Junior, Socrates, Carlos Alberto, Eder, Rivelino, Falcao, Cerezho, Careca, Tostao, Jarazinho and Pele. I am sure Lucas would help them settle on Merseyside ?

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30 Nov 2010 19:18:42
{ed's note - he only really performed at Charlton when playing up front on his own and the same at Sunderland. He needs to be the focal point or he is just not the same player, that will not happen if he plays for us, Torres will be the focal point and he will just end up losing confidence again. Waste of money looking at him in my opinion.}

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And in mine. Not the type of player we should be signing. I've said it before and I will say it again, I would play Torres with Pacheco as a second striker, like Dalglish did with Rush. Spend the money on 2 decent wingers. Honda would be one for definite, and looking likely too.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 19:08:07
To the Guy who said 'Fat Ronaldo' still banging 18 in already, Im 15 and id bang 18 in so far this season if i was in brazilian league :)


Aye, and you'd crack 18 out if you got anywhere near a brazilian

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30 Nov 2010 19:05:12
The more I see of the manure Blackburn game the more I think that someone was getting the Xmas money in. It wasn't just the number of goals, it was the way they were defended. Watch all of the goals and count the number of 1. tackles going in. 2 Fat Sam's players jogging on. 3. Unmolested runs and passes.

It looked more like a training match tbh. Either baconface was buying fat sam a new car, or he had found ANOTHER brown envelope with 150 grand in it, and invited the fattie into a bet.

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30 Nov 2010 19:03:08
Liverpool Rumours
See stevie gerrard finally got his hands on a premiership winners medal, mr abramovich gave him one for his great passback last season, i'll bet anybody that liverpool will not win the league in the next 10 year,

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30 Nov 2010 18:56:59
Drogba was beeing replaced in his first season!


Absolutely right. One memorable quote about Drogba's first year was "Like a dog chasing a balloon"

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30 Nov 2010 18:50:42
Yeah mate that would be sooooo awsome, i can just imagine one of his team talks, " right lads when you get the ball don't bother looking up, just hoof it, hoof it as hard as you can, hoof it anywhere, just hoof it.


Hoof that fkr. Yes Sir! Twice!

As someone with a little experience (10 yrs as an emt) of the kind of injury Jamie has, do not expect him back too soon. Dislocated shoulders have a really annoying habit of popping out every fart's end, and will do so at every opportunity unless completely rested after the original injury. I personally attended a patient whose shoulder had "popped out". For the 79th time.

Thank the stars it happened to Jamie and not Raul, who seems to be the silver lining so far this season (big shout for captain btw). When Jamie turns I am reminded of the QE2. When he receives the ball I am reminded of Bambi, until he distributes it UP THE PARK BIG LAD!

ferd

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30 Nov 2010 18:45:36
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To the Guy who said 'Fat Ronaldo' still banging 18 in already, Im 15 and id bang 18 in so far this season if i was in brazilian league :)

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30 Nov 2010 18:37:42
Darren bent
so what if he isn't tevez or messi
he scored 24 goals last season!
PURE finisher would this signing please you ed?
I really don't see how it could go wrong he's exactly what we need: good proven fast quite strong can head powerful shot 8/ 10 it's a no brainer. {ed's note - not really mate, he is a good player, but he is not a top class player and he has played as the main man at Sunderland, everything goes through him and every chance is being created for him. He has already shown, while at Spurs, that unless that happens he can't cope, he is not the answer.}

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I think the reason he didn't cope at Spurs was because no one gave him any confidence. What was it Harry said, 'my wife would have scored that'? Ridiculous thing to say about one of your own players when they are quite clearly lacking in any confidence. {ed's note - he only really performed at Charlton when playing up front on his own and the same at Sunderland. He needs to be the focal point or he is just not the same player, that will not happen if he plays for us, Torres will be the focal point and he will just end up losing confidence again. Waste of money looking at him in my opinion.}

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30 Nov 2010 18:31:07
Always a red {ed's note - Reina will not be Spain's number one while Real Madrid or Barca have a Spanish keeper. Spain would not have conceded a single goal in the World Cup if he had played, I would have put money on him to save every single one that Casillas let in.}

for me its not just his shot stopping ability, his distribution is the best in the league. i know im biased but pepe 'the monk' reina is the best keeper lfc have had since i've supported them.

always a red

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30 Nov 2010 18:29:29
30 Nov 2010 18:08:45
Liverpool Rumours
DOn't sell babel and Christ play jova or babel instead of maxi!
Btw darrent bent is a total bloody no brainer! He gets a goal a game, did you see the shots we wasted vs spurs 100% guarantee bent wouldn't miss those and he plays at Sunderland 20 million they have welbeck and Gyan they would sell for a decent fee
GET HIM 24 goals last season!
Seriously would be a great signing for the premiership I really don't know a striker that would be better for 20 million? Seriously who?
If you want immediate effect darren bent is your man.
Want him so bad.

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This is exactly what I meant. People are saying he isn't worth £20 million but you know, he's scored loads of goals, at both Sunderland and Charlton. What more do you want from a striker? He's massively underrated in my opinion. Can't see Sunderland selling him anyway.

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30 Nov 2010 18:28:03
Darren bent
so what if he isn't tevez or messi
he scored 24 goals last season!
PURE finisher would this signing please you ed?
I really don't see how it could go wrong he's exactly what we need: good proven fast quite strong can head powerful shot 8/ 10 it's a no brainer. {ed's note - not really mate, he is a good player, but he is not a top class player and he has played as the main man at Sunderland, everything goes through him and every chance is being created for him. He has already shown, while at Spurs, that unless that happens he can't cope, he is not the answer.}

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30 Nov 2010 18:22:17
I no wot people going to say here. plent ov unbelieves.
nzogbia is on way little more dots & t.s to cross carlton cole deal done and dusted. honda is 95% done and dusted. if we don't get champions league and owners canot convince we going to get big players in torres will leave wich will make way for darren bent, then we will have cole, bent, and ngog as our forwards this time next season.
not good enough for liverpool i know but his is this is the future of liverpoolmid table europe cup fighting place.
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LOL. < That says it all.

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The irony being that this manc has tried to be derogatory about a very good player - Darren Bent. If he was indeed a Liverpool transfer target, regardless of whether Torres stayed or left, everyone would be complaining because he's not a 'big name', but you could bet anything that he'd net 20 goals if the service was there.
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I didn't write "LOL" at what he said about Darren Bent though. At his post in general because it is pure garbage.

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Sorry I didn't mean your 'lol' I referring to the way he was talking about having Darren Bent in our team, as if it was something to be ashamed of. Should have worded it better.

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30 Nov 2010 18:16:44
Cheers for the response ed, could'nt agree more, i don't know if you saw the barca madrid game last night, but arbeloa was the perfect example. he was clearly brought on to cheat and foul everyone.

although barca played some of the best football i have ever seen, i still think when it all kicked of at the end was the best moment of the night, especially casillas telling pique to keep his mouth shut.
i know some will say that's not what football is about but i think it just shows the passion of the game, maybe i should just stick to watching ufc lol.

and finally how is reina not number 1 for spain he is a far better keeper than valdes and casillas.

always a red {ed's note - Reina will not be Spain's number one while Real Madrid or Barca have a Spanish keeper. Spain would not have conceded a single goal in the World Cup if he had played, I would have put money on him to save every single one that Casillas let in.}

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30 Nov 2010 18:08:45
Liverpool Rumours
DOn't sell babel and Christ play jova or babel instead of maxi!
Btw darrent bent is a total bloody no brainer! He gets a goal a game, did you see the shots we wasted vs spurs 100% guarantee bent wouldn't miss those and he plays at Sunderland 20 million they have welbeck and Gyan they would sell for a decent fee
GET HIM 24 goals last season!
Seriously would be a great signing for the premiership I really don't know a striker that would be better for 20 million? Seriously who?
If you want immediate effect darren bent is your man.
Want him so bad.

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30 Nov 2010 18:07:40
Liverpool Rumours
Not bent i don't rate him. would you not rather see honda and hazard for that price.
what you think ed?
ynwa
dw {ed's note - there are a lot of players who would make more sense to buy then Bent, not that he is a bad player but he is not good enough to be worth his price.}

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30 Nov 2010 17:45:20
I no wot people going to say here. plent ov unbelieves.
nzogbia is on way little more dots & t.s to cross carlton cole deal done and dusted. honda is 95% done and dusted. if we don't get champions league and owners canot convince we going to get big players in torres will leave wich will make way for darren bent, then we will have cole, bent, and ngog as our forwards this time next season.
not good enough for liverpool i know but his is this is the future of liverpoolmid table europe cup fighting place.
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LOL. < That says it all.

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The irony being that this manc has tried to be derogatory about a very good player - Darren Bent. If he was indeed a Liverpool transfer target, regardless of whether Torres stayed or left, everyone would be complaining because he's not a 'big name', but you could bet anything that he'd net 20 goals if the service was there.
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I didn't write "LOL" at what he said about Darren Bent though. At his post in general because it is pure garbage.

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30 Nov 2010 17:43:30
I beg to differ, was not our own Bill Shankly a wingback, Bob Paisley was a half back, even Franz Beckenbauer made his name as a sweeper, be it in an advanced rather than traditional sweeper. I am sure you would not disagree that these have all been awesome managers, and their teams played an excellent brand of football.

Red4Ever

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There are always exceptions to the rule. But is a wing back not an attacking defender? Not sure what a half back is, I thought this was a position in a completely different game with a funny shaped ball.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 17:38:55
On Pacheco, Suso and Eccleston.

I don't think that people who keep asking about the inclusion of Pacheco into the squad have taken a good look at the boy. The skill factor is definetly there, but I believe his size is the major problem. He looks like a boy and I don't think prem defenders would have any trouble aginst him. I know Messi is a small man, but he is built like a tank and bounces off every challenge. Silva is quick, shifty and near impossible to line up for a tackle. The same goes for for Mata. I have seen a few Euro League matches in which Pacheco took part in and he seemed unable to deal with mature defenders. That's probably why he doesn't play. I he were built like Babel, he'd be starting every game. I am afraid the same goes for Suso. Eccleston looks physically more mature than those two. I'd give him a chance on the wing right now.

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Messi built like a tank? I know there called wide screen TV's but yours must be broken. Pacheco and Suso get the s* te kicked out of them in the reserves cause they are quality players. They are used to the physical side of the English game. OK the premier league is a massive step up but I think these kids will be OK, I mean Fabregas has managed perfectly well for someone who is quite small.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 17:33:19
Just finished reading a few of the articles on the lfc website, and i looks like carra will be out til february. so with no agger and soto probably not being able to play to much roy will have no choice but to play kelly or wilson. i hope the young lads are upto it (personally i think they are).

for some reason alot of people last night linked us to mourinho, and maybe its just me being bitter but i still haven't forgot what he did to the liverpool fans during the carling cup final.

ed do you rate mourinho

always a red {ed's note - he wins things, but the way he does it is extremely distasteful. He has taken cheating to a new level and actively encourages his players to do so. I would rather not have someone like him in charge of our club.}

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30 Nov 2010 17:32:43
I think that Ryan Babel would be a god in Italy. . Just like Balottelli was. . different ball game in England tho! !

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I think Babel would be good anywhere but here.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 17:30:39
@MUSHROOM this guy is obviously taking the piss out of Tom. Wakey wakey!

Tom King. . Thanks muchly for your messages of love and peace G, these h8ers don't know what REAL Gangsta means. . it's like being from the STREETS, making $$$ and refining ones' tastes & persona through age and experience.

Love your pic on dodgy sightings bro.
Peace out Gangstas
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Obviously no experience here then. What is like living in America? Remember that the language you speak is called English which means over this side of the pond we speak proper :-)

MUSHROOM

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Cheers for the alarm call. I'll go and have a strong coffee.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 17:28:40
How longs carra out for?

does this mean wilson will get a chance or is it the greek?

oh an whats up with agger?

ed? {ed's note - Carra is likely to be out for 3 months but it is more likely we will see Kyrgiakos play than Wilson. We all know Roy doesn't think it 'fair' to leave out experienced players. Agger has back problems mate, these lead to restricted movement and that affects him, hence why he is injury prone, he always will be prone to hamstring and calf strains because of it. He is due back just after Gerrard though, before the Christmas period, from this latest calf strain.}


shame bout agger, wen fit an on form hes one of the classiest defenders in the league an possibly europe

i think young wilson shud be given a chance, the lad has got quality but hes wastin away in the reserves {ed's note - I agree entirely mate, though I would prefer to see Ayala brought back from his loan spell at Hull, I think he is even better.}

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30 Nov 2010 17:28:32
Liverpool Rumours
30 Nov 2010 15:36:14
I no wot people going to say here. plent ov unbelieves.
nzogbia is on way little more dots & t.s to cross carlton cole deal done and dusted. honda is 95% done and dusted. if we don't get champions league and owners canot convince we going to get big players in torres will leave wich will make way for darren bent, then we will have cole, bent, and ngog as our forwards this time next season.
not good enough for liverpool i know but his is this is the future of liverpoolmid table europe cup fighting place.
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LOL. < That says it all.

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The irony being that this manc has tried to be derogatory about a very good player - Darren Bent. If he was indeed a Liverpool transfer target, regardless of whether Torres stayed or left, everyone would be complaining because he's not a 'big name', but you could bet anything that he'd net 20 goals if the service was there.

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30 Nov 2010 17:26:35
Drogba was beeing replaced in his first season! Only that players like robben where scoring and Mourinho obviously could correctly see his potential he would have gone! He did nothing but dive and sulk and got slated from everywhere! What world you from! The Premier league is very hard to adjust to as many really good players have found! So Elmander struggled in a very poor Bolton side under Megson! Coyle has turned the teams fortunes around and Elmander has shown he can score goals and can create! (Did you see his performance on the weekend?)

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30 Nov 2010 17:20:01
Liverpool Rumours
Ed do you think ngog is developin fast enough at liverpool?
do you think he shud stay? {ed's note - I am not a fan of Ngog, he has ability but he doesn't have the most important thing for a striker - the ability to anticipate. He is always caught on his heels waiting to see what happens, when he needs to be making things happen.}

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30 Nov 2010 17:19:09
Liverpool Rumours
With Ajax and CSKA being watched we can only speculate. But we could read into it in many ways. Honda from CSKA would be the obvious. But Ajax, theres many options there, if Reina is leaving theres Stelekenberg, if Johnson leaves theres Van Der Wiel, or Babel leaving with Suarez coming, thoughts anybody?

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Maybe it's all of them. We will never know until it happens.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 17:18:14
Liverpool Rumours
How longs carra out for?

does this mean wilson will get a chance or is it the greek?

oh an whats up with agger?

ed? {ed's note - Carra is likely to be out for 3 months but it is more likely we will see Kyrgiakos play than Wilson. We all know Roy doesn't think it 'fair' to leave out experienced players. Agger has back problems mate, these lead to restricted movement and that affects him, hence why he is injury prone, he always will be prone to hamstring and calf strains because of it. He is due back just after Gerrard though, before the Christmas period, from this latest calf strain.}

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30 Nov 2010 17:16:41
Liverpool Rumours
Hi ed what do you think bout honda?

i havent seen enough of him to form an opinion yet, he looked quality at the world cup, but jus coz he had a good world cup does that mean he can cut it in the toughest league on the planet?

could you shed sum light mate? {ed's note - I think he is a fantastic player, you have to remember that during the World Cup he was played completely out of position. He is like a left sided version of Steve Nicol with more ability, he can play almost anywhere and look like that is his natural position. He is strong, quick, good in the air, has a nice touch and is excellent at free kicks. For me he would be the player I would have at the top of my wish list.}

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30 Nov 2010 17:09:18
I agree with some of the comments made about Torres he's just not interested anymore, did you see his reaction when Defoe was about to take the penalty? He just walked off heading to the centre circle with his back to goal. Not once did he turn round if Reina had of saved it and wanted to do one of his special kicks on the counter attack Torres would not of even been aware. As much as I love Torres unless he stops sulking fans are going to turn on him. I really hope this is not the case. {ed's note - how many fans didn't look either? Maybe he just couldn't bear to watch?}

I think fans are making a lot more of this than it is. I think Torres was probably more hacked of with himself with the 2 chances he missed before the Spurs penalty. Probably more dissapointed in himself than sulking I would think.

The Irish Rover

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30 Nov 2010 17:06:16
Liverpool have definately shown an interest in Elmander, Lee was at the game on sunday and he has (finally) shown that he has what it takes to suceed in this league, ok it took him time to settle! Him and how many others, Drogba took 2 seasons!
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How did Drogba take two seasons to settle in? More like a month or two. He was fantastic from the off at Chelsea. Torturing defenders with his strength, height, and his hold up play was excellent. And his scoring record wasn't bad, although that wasn't his key job in Mourinho's system.

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30 Nov 2010 17:04:17
30 Nov 2010 16:05:24
Aston Villa . . . .?


Reina

Kelly. . . . Wilson. . . . .Skrtel. . . . .Aurelio


Johnson. . Lucas. . . . Meireles. . . . Jovanovic


Torres. . . Kuyt

Subs. . .Jones, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Konchesky, Poulsen, Cole, Babel.
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Apolagies i forgot about Maxi Rodrigues so i would stick him as sub for Poulsen.

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30 Nov 2010 17:00:29
Liverpool Rumours
Owen Coyle and Ian Holloway are far better than Frank Rijkaard.

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30 Nov 2010 16:54:32
Liverpool Rumours
"30 Nov 2010 13:15:07
I like Ireland as a footballer!

The Irish Rover
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Is that because you're Irish?
Also, I don't think we should sell torres even for 60m. Even three 20m strikers wouldn't give to the team what torres does. We just need a manager who can inspire him"

Actually, most Irish people despise Stephen Ireland cause he said his grannys died just to get out of a match. He was good at City, but is terrible now.

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30 Nov 2010 16:38:28
Liverpool Rumours
I seriously hope as a liverpool fan we are not hoping for o'neil as manager and rijkard av a larf, i would have roy over both of these. We talk about his signings but miereles makes up for all of these and with the money he had who could we have signed. Look what he has done with the under achievers from last year.

Maxi is a different player as is lucas to name two. Its the big guns who are letting us down this year not Roy.

We have played better football in the last ten games than we did all last year. We are learning how to attack again and its great to see. Changing a medicore manager specially rijkard no prem experience will make no odds, give him time we gave fat face 5 years to create a bag of poop and some still love him for that.

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30 Nov 2010 16:38:11
Liverpool Rumours
I really hope the honda rumours are true.Also the Alonso coming back rumour seems to be gathering pace.

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30 Nov 2010 16:31:14
@MUSHROOM this guy is obviously taking the piss out of Tom. Wakey wakey!

Tom King. . Thanks muchly for your messages of love and peace G, these h8ers don't know what REAL Gangsta means. . it's like being from the STREETS, making $$$ and refining ones' tastes & persona through age and experience.

Love your pic on dodgy sightings bro.
Peace out Gangstas
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Obviously no experience here then. What is like living in America? Remember that the language you speak is called English which means over this side of the pond we speak proper :-)

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 16:25:11
Liverpool Rumours
Whats the difference between now and the last time rijkaards name came up

we now have a permanent chairmen and the board is in place so maybe the rijkaard thing could be real

i like the fact that nobody outside the club knows everybody can give opinions and rumours one person said this one person said that but nobody really knows what is going on

we will see what happens over the coming months i think we will be in for some surprises

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30 Nov 2010 16:23:08
Anyone who believes that our excellent, forward thinking, dynamic manager, will choose Kelly before the wonderful, Greek.Why would he? Kelly maybe quicker, but as he experience? Kelly his a better passer , but as he the experience, A team trying to avoid relegation needs experience everyone knows that.It would be unfair to pick young lads and put them in a relegation battle.Defenders only need how to clear the ball as far as he can .look at Carra if he could pass the ball he would have made it in midfield.We are going to miss his long balls, I know Fernando will be so disapointed, at not having them balls to chase down as it was away of getting him fit.So lets not call for the youngsters to be giving opportunitys Roy will give them 5 minutes at the end so long as were 3 goals up.

Jiminy cricket

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30 Nov 2010 16:22:13
Liverpool Rumours
I think that Ryan Babel would be a god in Italy. . Just like Balottelli was. . different ball game in England tho! !

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30 Nov 2010 16:21:25
Liverpool Rumours
Roy has just announced that he will not be taking Torres to the Eurpoa game on Thursday, no surpirse there however he then says
"It means on paper I'm taking a weakened team, but I believe people like Joe Cole, Ryan Babel, Milan Jovanovic, Danny Wilson, Christian Poulsen and Jonjo Shelvey are more than capable of doing a good job for Liverpool Football Club."

Source Liverpool official website.

What a great way to motivate the players. "It means on paper I'm taking a weakened team"

While it maybe true and he's just being honest should Roy really be saying this in a press conference/ interview?

Ed. How long can Roy keep making these silly mistakes before the owner/ chairman decided to get rid?

Roy to be replaced soon?

Believable / unbelievable {ed's note - I think they will wait until the man they wants becomes available, which is likely to be the summer.}

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30 Nov 2010 16:19:33
Liverpool Rumours
{ed's note - I was told that no one who was available was of interest, that includes Rijkaard and O'Neill, I don't see why that situation would have changed.}

maybe nesv have a change of hart with how roy is being hammered for negative tactics and want a more attacking man now

rijkaard does bring through young talent this is one of nesv hopes to do so to me he does fit what they want good english brings through young talent

i don't know just thinking aloud really as to why rijkaard is popping up again

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30 Nov 2010 16:14:07
Liverpool have definately shown an interest in Elmander, Lee was at the game on sunday and he has (finally) shown that he has what it takes to suceed in this league, ok it took him time to settle! Him and how many others, Drogba took 2 seasons!
For me Elmander is the most guaranteed (if that is at all possible) to start performing instantly. He would come cheap due to his contract and is definately worth the gamble. If the Honda deal comes of the rotation of these 2 with Torres would give the team great options to change games.

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30 Nov 2010 16:11:46
On Pacheco, Suso and Eccleston.

I don't think that people who keep asking about the inclusion of Pacheco into the squad have taken a good look at the boy. The skill factor is definetly there, but I believe his size is the major problem. He looks like a boy and I don't think prem defenders would have any trouble aginst him. I know Messi is a small man, but he is built like a tank and bounces off every challenge. Silva is quick, shifty and near impossible to line up for a tackle. The same goes for for Mata. I have seen a few Euro League matches in which Pacheco took part in and he seemed unable to deal with mature defenders. That's probably why he doesn't play. I he were built like Babel, he'd be starting every game. I am afraid the same goes for Suso. Eccleston looks physically more mature than those two. I'd give him a chance on the wing right now.

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30 Nov 2010 16:08:43
Liverpool Rumours
We don't need scott dann. . we have daniel agger! !

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30 Nov 2010 16:07:19
Liverpool Rumours
Honda luks set to be a dead cert in january, arsenal surley don't need any more midfield/ forward type players (nasri, arshavin, van persie, walcott etc) and i don't think he will get as many games at milan (ibrahimovic, pato, ronaldinho, robinho). hopefully we'll also sign an out and out striker, a naturally line hugging winger and possibly and left back or centre back.
For me (being realistic) it would be Lopez, Sakho, Turan/ Marin and Honda.

E.h LFC

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30 Nov 2010 16:05:55
Liverpool Rumours
Listen up lad, im not having a 15 year old tell me what to do and if i want to say peace out gangsters il say it if i want.
I know none of you believe me on here but i will prove you all wrong.
My names Tom King and im in the know
PEACE OUT GANGSTERS

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FAO Tom King.

You are taking the Peace.

Now, go back and play with your little Tommy gun, there's a good boy. And don't forget to get to bed early, you've got scholl tomorrow.

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30 Nov 2010 16:05:24
Aston Villa . . . .??


Reina

Kelly. . . . Wilson. . . . .Skrtel. . . . .Aurelio


Johnson. . Lucas. . . . Meireles. . . . Jovanovic


Torres. . . Kuyt

Subs. . .Jones, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Konchesky, Poulsen, Cole, Babel.

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30 Nov 2010 16:05:14
I agree mate, defenders don't seem to make the best managers. Flair players and strikers seem to be a better option. Just look at what Cruyff has done for Barcelona.


I beg to differ, was not our own Bill Shankly a wingback, Bob Paisley was a half back, even Franz Beckenbauer made his name as a sweeper, be it in an advanced rather than traditional sweeper. I am sure you would not disagree that these have all been awesome managers, and their teams played an excellent brand of football.

Red4Ever

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30 Nov 2010 16:01:29
Match fixing like the man united and blackburn game that was well fixed and thrown by blackburn ha , , as for panorama they r stupid idiots and if england lose the bid for 2018 it will be cos them idiots and bbc for airing it, , they coulda waited till after the votes had been done
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Have a look at history mate. Big Sam gets shafted every year from his best mate fergie. A nailed on 3 points for them. Is it just coincidence that the 7 goals they scored put them on equal goal difference to Chelski?

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 15:57:56
Until LFC. get a new manager we are going backwards boring football a manager happy drawing against poor teams and im from dublin and was over in anfield for a game and the new stadium is the least of their worries new defence, and a playmaker (martin o niell )

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30 Nov 2010 15:56:16
Liverpool Rumours
I have nothing against Babel, but if anyone wants to buy him from us we should go ahead and let him go. I actually believe he can be a success in Italy. Just look at Aquilani at Juve. I have seen him play some excellent games for them. The only issue is that the style of play in Italy is less frantic and physical. That's the only reason why he looks great. In a similar environment Babel, Kuyt might look like a world class players.

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30 Nov 2010 15:53:25
Would love to see the Elmander deal completed. Proven he can play in the prem, he's a target man to take the knocks for Torres, he scores goals and is a great link up man. With a price tag in Jan of around £5m we should make this happen. C. Cole is not the answer!
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If you sign Elmander you may as well have just signed C.Cole. Elmander came as Bolton's record signing and has been complete and utter dribble since joining, apart from the last two months. And in those two months all he's proven is that he can put a few goals away in a team who are performing really well. There's been much better performers in the Bolton team than Elmander.

And he's not Liverpool standard and never will be. He's at his level now with Bolton so he can stay there. And we're not even in for him, the lazy journalists are just making up a load of garbage. Liverpool want a striker, Elmander is (finally) on form, contract out at the end of the season meaning he could be picked up on the cheap - makes a nice little story eh?

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30 Nov 2010 15:51:31
Ed, toy said today that reina or soto will be captain. Has soto even captained us before apart from the Northampton game {ed's note - no mate, he is not even good enough to deserve a shirt let alone the captaincy.}

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30 Nov 2010 15:44:39
Liverpool Rumours
Gerrard back for newcastle game.

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30 Nov 2010 15:44:13
Best Liverpool team to face Villa:

. . . . . . . . Reina. . . . . . . . . .

Johnson. .Skrtel. . Kelly. .Aurelio

. . . . . . . Meireles. . . . . . . .

Maxi. . . . . Cole. . . . . .Suso

. . . . .Pacheco. . Torres. . . . .

That team is the nuts!

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30 Nov 2010 15:39:55
Liverpool Rumours
Would love to see the Elmander deal completed. Proven he can play in the prem, he's a target man to take the knocks for Torres, he scores goals and is a great link up man. With a price tag in Jan of around £5m we should make this happen. C. Cole is not the answer!

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30 Nov 2010 15:32:46
Liverpool Rumours
Hi ed more of a question than a rumour but are there any up and coming French mangers! I don't really get to see ligue 1 just a thought as comolli appointment would sway them! Avoiding the obiovious one didier deschamps any others? ? {ed's note - Claude Puel and Laurent Blanc are the obvious ones mate.}

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30 Nov 2010 15:30:20
So, any thoughts on the team to face Villa?
Personally i think that it should be Reina, Johnson, Wilson, Skrtel, Aurelio, Lucas, Meireles, Kuyt, Shelvey, Ngog, Torres.
Ed? {ed's note - where would the width come from in your team?}

Well, I would have Lucas sitting, with Meireles and Shelevey switching. Kuyt, Shelves and Meireles rotating behind Torres and Ngog. Aurelio and Johnson down flanks. Meireles and Kuyt dropping in whenever we were defending. I would get Torres running at Dunne, who is succeptable to a mishap. Kuyt and Johnson would shackle Ashley Young.

What would be your line up Ed? {ed's note - I would play Kelly at right back, with Johnson in front of him. Lucas and Meireles in the centre with Pacheco in front of them and Kuyt to the left and Torres up front. Not perfect, but we don't have much in the way of options.}

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30 Nov 2010 15:27:28
Liverpool Rumours
I no wot people going to say here. plent ov unbelieves.
nzogbia is on way little more dots & t.s to cross carlton cole deal done and dusted. honda is 95% done and dusted. if we don't get champions league and owners canot convince we going to get big players in torres will leave wich will make way for darren bent, then we will have cole, bent, and ngog as our forwards this time next season.
not good enough for liverpool i know but his is this is the future of liverpoolmid table europe cup fighting place.

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Please mate, go away.

dd

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30 Nov 2010 15:24:01
Liverpool Rumours
30 Nov 2010 13:38:22
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Charles N'Zogbia done deal, coming in January for 12 million.
Trust me!

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oh dear god. Ryan Babel II

nzogbia is alot better than babel, , and would be good signing

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30 Nov 2010 15:17:14
Liverpool Rumours
30 Nov 2010 14:11:35
One of the eds said that rijkaard will definitely not join liverpool but the odds were recently (i.e. today) slashed. anyone got any info or is it just the bookies playing games with our poor souls?
and to the guy who said 100k a week should be enough to inspire torres. . money isn't enough to inspire world class players anymore. trophies, or at least the HOPE of getting a trophy is what can provide inspiration. but with roy there is no hope

joking arnt u money is everything in football these days ask all the man city players

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30 Nov 2010 15:15:27
This lad Eden Hazard, is he even a winger? I thought he was an attacking midfielder which is why throughout his youth and for the past couple of years he was compared to Zidane? ?

Wouldn't want another Joe Cole situation, a central attacking midfielder being played out wide.

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30 Nov 2010 15:13:46
Liverpool Rumours
30 Nov 2010 14:57:01
Does anyone for one minute think that england have tried to bribe anyone for this world cup? ?
the whole game is full of payments backhanders. there was a report about unnamed english teams that have evidence about them fixing games in this country champions league and all over Europe sent to Scotland yard about 3 months ago. . lets see if anything comes of that investigation. the whole game needs to be investigated from top fifa to every FA in the world and pass to enter into big comps. that's why they don't want uptodate technology involved in the game because the b* tards can't make money from it all then. yes it will make crowds drop if it was found to be true but it will be clean slate and start all again. if nothink comes out of Scotland yard in say next 6 months then you know just how high it goes, it was supposed to have been banned to rights evidence of certain clubs match fixing. round of applause to that journalist on panorama last night.i think he deserves a night hood

match fixing like the man united and blackburn game that was well fixed and thrown by blackburn ha , , as for panorama they r stupid idiots and if england lose the bid for 2018 it will be cos them idiots and bbc for airing it, , they coulda waited till after the votes had been done

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30 Nov 2010 15:12:35
Tom King. . Thanks muchly for your messages of love and peace G, these h8ers don't know what REAL Gangsta means. . it's like being from the STREETS, making $$$ and refining ones' tastes & persona through age and experience.

Love your pic on dodgy sightings bro.
Peace out Gangstas
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Obviously no experience here then. What is like living in America? Remember that the language you speak is called English which means over this side of the pond we speak proper :-)

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 15:11:01
Liverpool Rumours
What about stephen Ireland from Villa, anybody think he would be a good signing? ?

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30 Nov 2010 15:02:33
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is hoping to strengthen his weak squad in the January transfer window, and one of his main targets has emerged as young Belgian international Eden Hazard.
The 19-year-old winger plays for Lille in France, and has been identified by new Anfield director of football strategy Damien Comolli, who was an admirer of Hazard when he was working with St Etienne.
The winger already has 20 full caps for Belgium even though he is still a teenager, and he starred against Liverpool playing for his French club in the Europa League last season.
Hodgson will make a firm bid in January, in an attempt to head off interest from other clubs who have been watching the player, including the likes of Real Madrid and Arsenal

Of all the names being bandied about on this site, I think Eden Hazard would be the most valuable acquisition for the team. Whether we could get him is another matter.
NorthernGit

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30 Nov 2010 15:01:05
Tom King. . Thanks muchly for your messages of love and peace G, these h8ers don't know what REAL Gangsta means. . it's like being from the STREETS, making $$$ and refining ones' tastes & persona through age and experience.

Love your pic on dodgy sightings bro.
Peace out Gangstas

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30 Nov 2010 15:00:15
I have heard that Xavi, Iniesta and Messi are the bait for Barca to try and sign Poulsen, Jova and Konchesky. . . . . . . NOT SURE HOW MUCH TRUTH IS IN THIS but im not too sure where Messi would fit it, any ideas?

Messi keeps on cutting inside, which is annoying. As for Xavi and Iniesta, they are too similar, and Spearing and Poulsen is a far more attractive line-up.

These 3 players are not good enough for us and would not improve the team. Much better to buy Carlton Cole and Simon Davies.

dont think they would make much difference to us. roy will just ask the back four to hoof it up to carlton cole!

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30 Nov 2010 14:50:46
{ed's note - not so sure about your two choices, I don't think we have a chance with Johnson and Suarez is ludicrously overpriced for a player that is playing in the Dutch league. But I agree on keeping Torres unless the money is enough to buy two top strikers.}
I agree with you ed, no chance of getting either but i would love NESV to try sign them, would be a scary force! And Torres would love that as he would be getting quality service.
EL NINO 9

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30 Nov 2010 14:44:23
Geez people get a f'n grip! Torres turns around when liverpool take a penalty because its a superstition(?sp.) of his, not because he's not interested! Remember 14th march 2009? When ronaldo took the penalty? He turned around! Or maybe he wasnt interested back then either? Seems people on here are ready to bitch, moan and complain about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING! For goodness sake support the team!
Red bl00ded!

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30 Nov 2010 14:42:09
If there is such a thing as `sexy` football - well we seen it last night - got to say that was probably the best 90 minute performance i have seen - from start to finish barcelona totally dominated madrid with brilliant one touch football - and on top of that when they lost the ball they went back in packs to get it back - great to see - ok, now my point - liverpool, or anyone else for that matter cannot match barca for skill etc, but surely we are as fit as them and so able to work harder when we haven`t got the ball - even messi - the greatest at the moment was chasing and harrying players to get the ball back - do we see torres do that - no chance, he goes off sulking with his head down - if i was hodgson i would sit the whole first team down and show them the game, and when its finished make them watch it again and again until the penny drops, let the game speak for itself and tell them - that`s what the supporters want - or is that too much to ask, probably

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30 Nov 2010 14:41:24
In caras abscence kelly or wilson can fill his role these two players can be legends in the red shirt, cara should complete his coaching badges and go for management i can see him being great liverpool manager(did you see how he tore in to the greek for being to slow when being taken off ), he showed more passion than hodgson has all season

Yeah mate that would be sooooo awsome, i can just imagine one of his team talks, " right lads when you get the ball don't bother looking up, just hoof it, hoof it as hard as you can, hoof it anywhere, just hoof it.
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I agree mate, defenders don't seem to make the best managers. Flair players and strikers seem to be a better option. Just look at what Cruyff has done for Barcelona.

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 14:40:55
Yeah mate that would be sooooo awsome, i can just imagine one of his team talks, " right lads when you get the ball don't bother looking up, just hoof it, hoof it as hard as you can, hoof it anywhere, just hoof it.

Some of you show no respect. Carragher has been class for Liverpool for many years and sadly won't have many years left. He has never given nothing but 100% and this will carry on for as long as the club want him. Who knows if he will make a good manager or not but if someone told me that in 10 years time Carragher was our boss I would not be dissapointed.


EST.1892

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30 Nov 2010 14:31:15
Liverpool Rumours
PRAISE THE LORD CARRAGHER OUT 4 THREE MONTHS, CHANCE FOR KELLY 2 SECURE HIS POSITION.JUST NEED 2 GET KONCHESKY INJURED NOW !

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30 Nov 2010 14:28:53
Look, I love Torres as much as the next man when he is on form (In a Football sense), but I for one and I know there are many more out there, that would rather see someone with maybe less talent, but who are willing to give everything, body and soul to the cause.

We can do without these Big Time Charlies that just roll it out when the likes of Chelski are in town, and more with the kind of passion that Carra, and Stevie show.

If they don't want to be there, stick them in the reserves and give others that would kill to be on the pitch a shot.

Also another name I would possibly like to see take over with maybe King Kenny as mentor would be Sami Hyypia.

He was always awesome as captain and vice captain.

To add to the debate on players not doing well at one club and being good at others, what about Stephan Henchoz, relegatedc with Blackburn only to be bought by us and become part or an awesome pairing with Hyypia

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30 Nov 2010 14:16:54
Liverpool Rumours
I think as fans we should all be patient, we must accept that we may have to right this season off. The club has just been through its most turbulant time ever. RH although not my cup of tea as manager is here to steady that is all. As for players even Pepe an Nando if they come out with comments such as '' Not sure'' or ''Dont know'' when asked about their future at the club then sell them as harsh and as idiotic as that sounds but that is a problem at our club at this moment we rely on so few for so much it isn't healthy. We must trust our future to NESV and judge them at the end of the summer with regards to transfers and manager choice. We must trust them on development of Anfield or a new stadium it is the fault of us the fans for the massive knife edge we put ourselves on every home game we can as fans be worth 2 goals at anfield against any team we must get behind every person on and off the park at anfield in order to strike fear into people again.

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30 Nov 2010 14:09:07
Liverpool Rumours
So, any thoughts on the team to face Villa?
Personally i think that it should be Reina, Johnson, Wilson, Skrtel, Aurelio, Lucas, Meireles, Kuyt, Shelvey, Ngog, Torres.
Ed? {ed's note - where would the width come from in your team?}

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30 Nov 2010 14:07:47
Liverpool Rumours
Question for ED,

what you think of honda torres Hazard

playing in a 4-3-3

my starting line up would be

Raina

Kelly carra agger wilson

Johnson Gerrard Meireles

honda torres Hazard {ed's note - it would be good, though I don't see how Johnson would fit in midfield in that system, unless you dropped Honda back into midfield and pushed Johnson further forward.}

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30 Nov 2010 14:06:19
30 Nov 2010 12:09:15
Liverpool Rumours
Surely, instead of bringing in a massive centre half to cover, we now have the perfect time to bring through Ayala and Wilson, with Skrtel being the senior centre half, why do we need to spend big on a new centre half at the moment?
Fair enough we need a Carragher replacement, and Cahill, Richards or Mexes may fit that bill, but we have two young international centre halves already, who are biting at the bit for a first team shot

Eds thoughts? {ed's note - I don't think we need to buy, we have good young defenders at the club, play them. Richards is going nowhere, Cahill is a hoofer and Mexes is not good enough.}

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100% agree Ed. We have Ayala, Kelly, Wilson and in a couple of years Wisdom looks the real deal. We have a cornacopia of young, class centre halfs! We NEED goal scorers and goal makers

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30 Nov 2010 14:04:41
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"NESN (New England Sports Network) are reporting that we ware making a move for Kevin Gameiro (dont know anything about him) and Mirko Vucinic (great player).

Ed, do you know anything about Gameiro and have you heard any news on these transfers?

op6 {ed's note - only the same reports as you mate. I haven't seen a lot of Gameiro, though I have of Vucinic and fail to understand how you can call him great or even remotely near to great. There is absolutely nothing special about the lad.}"


he's good with both feet, seems to play best off the striker, would be great with torres. Also has got around 17 goals a season past 3 seasons. If we played him in a 3 behind torres with kuyt and cole then they would be able to interchange like chelsea/ barcelona/ arsenal do with great effect. Reckon if roy played him right then it could be a huge boost for the team.

op6

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30 Nov 2010 14:04:27
Re: So the BBC is wrong to point out that FIFA officials are allegedly corrupt and that the governing body is not bothered.
Is that the fault of the BBC?
No!

Spot on mate.
You summed it up right good and I don't want no words put at me to say I was a supporter of things criminal.
If we get the World Cup I don't want it here.
These people think just cos theyre football people that can do what the hell they like?
This is the real world guys!
We should agree with this post and tell FIFA to p* s off!

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30 Nov 2010 13:59:58
Re: So the BBC is wrong to point out that FIFA officials are allegedly corrupt and that the governing body is not bothered.
Is that the fault of the BBC?
No!

Great post and at last a voice of reason on the issue.
listening to radio 5 all morning they seem to have forgotten the facts you have pointed out.
FIFA are corrupt and people know this so fair play to Panorama. I hope england do get the World Cup but doubt they would have bribed for votes like others.

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I agree, Its outrageous that this is not only going on but that its being accepted. I would take loosing the world cup if it meant Plattini and Blatter were removed and Jack warner, Hes just not a proffesional of any kind, how can he be a senior voice of any organisation. Platini has warned countries about there governments getting involved, and now we know why, hes frightended they would find something. I hope the EU investigates FIFA on its earnings and TAX evasion tactics, I bet it would find a breach in allot of laws.

Bob Loblaw

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30 Nov 2010 13:54:40
I have heard that Xavi, Iniesta and Messi are the bait for Barca to try and sign Poulsen, Jova and Konchesky. . . . . . . NOT SURE HOW MUCH TRUTH IS IN THIS but im not too sure where Messi would fit it, any ideas?

Messi keeps on cutting inside, which is annoying. As for Xavi and Iniesta, they are too similar, and Spearing and Poulsen is a far more attractive line-up.

These 3 players are not good enough for us and would not improve the team. Much better to buy Carlton Cole and Simon Davies.

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30 Nov 2010 13:51:12
I agree with some of the comments made about Torres he's just not interested anymore, did you see his reaction when Defoe was about to take the penalty? He just walked off heading to the centre circle with his back to goal. Not once did he turn round if Reina had of saved it and wanted to do one of his special kicks on the counter attack Torres would not of even been aware. As much as I love Torres unless he stops sulking fans are going to turn on him. I really hope this is not the case. {ed's note - how many fans didn't look either? Maybe he just couldn't bear to watch?}

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Well said Ed, I couldn't watch it. We have seen a load of strikers come through liverpool over the last couple of years that have been absoulutley pish. We have finally found one that works and is pure class. I don't think its a case of Torres not being intrested, I think its more frusrtaion with his form and the form of the team. Lets hope things are being put right behind the scenes as we speak and lets get behind Torres. Many players go through dips in form and come good again. I am certain that if torres had the right team behind him then he would find his form again and start enjoying himself, lets hope its at LFC and not somewhere else. Look at his face when Skertle scored on Sunday he looked made up.

I hope we find players that compliment him and take the burden off him, not ones that replace him. Liverpool only have what I would call two match winning players, and its been that way for a long time. Lets hope its put right. I f the rumours of Honda are true I think he is a match winner, but we still need one or two more even if we got him. Thats why lost on Sunday, not enough match winners in the side.

Bob Loblaw

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30 Nov 2010 13:47:06
In caras abscence kelly or wilson can fill his role these two players can be legends in the red shirt, cara should complete his coaching badges and go for management i can see him being great liverpool manager(did you see how he tore in to the greek for being to slow when being taken off ), he showed more passion than hodgson has all season

Yeah mate that would be sooooo awsome, i can just imagine one of his team talks, " right lads when you get the ball don't bother looking up, just hoof it, hoof it as hard as you can, hoof it anywhere, just hoof it.

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30 Nov 2010 13:40:50
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Maybe jamie carragher's injury is a blessing in disguise. For more reasons than one. .

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30 Nov 2010 13:40:27
Re: So the BBC is wrong to point out that FIFA officials are allegedly corrupt and that the governing body is not bothered.
Is that the fault of the BBC?
No!

Great post and at last a voice of reason on the issue.
listening to radio 5 all morning they seem to have forgotten the facts you have pointed out.
FIFA are corrupt and people know this so fair play to Panorama. I hope england do get the World Cup but doubt they would have bribed for votes like others.

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30 Nov 2010 13:38:46
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Liverpool Rumours
Morning Ed
I've read this morning that Hodgson is thinking about bringing Cisse back to LFC. If its true would you have him back?

RedDan {ed's note - no thank you, he was awful most of the time with just flashes of brilliance, we already have enough dross no need to add more.}

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Th biggest problem with Cisse is his lack of effort. With pace like he has he could of made a decent striker in the prem, but he does not try hard enough. He has talent and id say he's more talanted than Ngog unfortunatley he only has about a 1/ 4 of his effort.

Bob Loblaw

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30 Nov 2010 13:36:43
Is that because you're Irish?
Also, I don't think we should sell torres even for 60m. Even three 20m strikers wouldn't give to the team what torres does. We just need a manager who can inspire him

Listen pal the 100 grand that the gets paid week in week out should be more than enough to inspire him if its not for me he can just fcuk off

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30 Nov 2010 13:28:17
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Ed - are you worried about the injury to Carra, insofar as the absence of leadership on the pitch but, more importantly, on the training pitch ?
I know I am. It will only hasten the divisions of the squad ? {ed's note - not really mate, it will give other players a chance to step up and take charge.}

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30 Nov 2010 13:22:42
Folks, I would stop all the talk about Wilson or Kelly getting in at centre-back now that Carragher is injured.

Well all know deep down they will still be on the bench and that it will be Kygriakos replacing Carragher.

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30 Nov 2010 13:22:06
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I personally think roy has only been a stop gap to steady ship, great manager on a tight budget and smaller teams but the pressure of liverpool is to much. Why are such a club as liverpool going for players like c. cole and konchesky, i for one am willing to wait for the glory days to come back as im sure they will. Does anyone else think Martin o'neill could be the answer, i really think he could sort the pool out

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30 Nov 2010 13:15:22
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Tom King looks set to be named as a shock successor to roy hodgson in the next few days!
Reports suggest he is "in the know" and when asked for a comment he quickly stated "peace out gangsters" before storiming away on his BMX. except full coverage on the cartoon news network as it begins to progress. . :)

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30 Nov 2010 13:15:07
I like Ireland as a footballer!

The Irish Rover
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Is that because you're Irish?
Also, I don't think we should sell torres even for 60m. Even three 20m strikers wouldn't give to the team what torres does. We just need a manager who can inspire him

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30 Nov 2010 12:42:42
I agree with some of the comments made about Torres he's just not interested anymore, did you see his reaction when Defoe was about to take the penalty? He just walked off heading to the centre circle with his back to goal. Not once did he turn round if Reina had of saved it and wanted to do one of his special kicks on the counter attack Torres would not of even been aware. As much as I love Torres unless he stops sulking fans are going to turn on him. I really hope this is not the case. {ed's note - how many fans didn't look either? Maybe he just couldn't bear to watch?}

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30 Nov 2010 12:36:33
Ok why are people saying sell Torres? They were not saying it after Chelsea. He is with out a doubt the best striker in the world, as ive said before he will be back with a bang. Bring in A.J and Luis Suarez and we will be a force once again. What you think ed?
EL NINO 9 {ed's note - not so sure about your two choices, I don't think we have a chance with Johnson and Suarez is ludicrously overpriced for a player that is playing in the Dutch league. But I agree on keeping Torres unless the money is enough to buy two top strikers.}

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30 Nov 2010 12:34:36
Anyway, I don't feel that we need a lot of established stars, we need to get a good young manager in, that has done things the liverpool way, someone like Didi Hamman, and have them manage with King Kenny overlooking and assisting, the same as Bob Paisley did for him.

We could then go on the lookout not so much for the outstanding brilliance of this or that person, but bring through a lot of good quality young players that may not be superstars, but have enough quality to be moulded into a team.

This was the way we evolved in the 70's and 80's, and I personally would like us to go back to that route.

Our players all had quality, but learned to play with and for each other and we didn't have the high priced mavericks that you get today that want it all but give nothing in return.

Red4Ever

Spot on Red4Ever, I totally agree, but has the game changed so much that what was possible then is not possible now, I'd like to think we will go somewhere down the 60's 70's and 80's LFC structure and have not just a united football team but a united football club. Ed any comments {ed's note - I think we need to bring the club back down to earth and go back to basics, a fresh, young manager who emphasises using and keeping the ball.}

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30 Nov 2010 12:26:14
In caras abscence kelly or wilson can fill his role these two players can be legends in the red shirt, cara should complete his coaching badges and go for management i can see him being great liverpool manager(did you see how he tore in to the greek for being to slow when being taken off ), he showed more passion than hodgson has all season

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30 Nov 2010 12:09:15
Liverpool Rumours
Surely, instead of bringing in a massive centre half to cover, we now have the perfect time to bring through Ayala and Wilson, with Skrtel being the senior centre half, why do we need to spend big on a new centre half at the moment?
Fair enough we need a Carragher replacement, and Cahill, Richards or Mexes may fit that bill, but we have two young international centre halves already, who are biting at the bit for a first team shot

Eds thoughts? {ed's note - I don't think we need to buy, we have good young defenders at the club, play them. Richards is going nowhere, Cahill is a hoofer and Mexes is not good enough.}

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30 Nov 2010 11:56:36
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Just wondering what people would think of Liverpool moving for David Wheater of Middlesbrough, only 24, Premiership experience and a former England contender.out of contract in the summer and if we could get him for maybe £2million he could be a good addition to the SQUAD! We could probably recoup most of the fee by selling the much older Soto. . {ed's note - I have seen him a lot, I remember him as a kid at Boro and he has never been and never will be good enough. He is not a Premier League class player and certainly not in the same league as Ayala or Wilson.}

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30 Nov 2010 11:12:52
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I here a lot of "Liverpool Fans" ring into LFC TV and chat utter Cr*p. Yesterday on LFC now some caller was commenting on Roys age saying he was too old. WHAT?! Same age as Harry Redknapp and younger than Fergie?! Younger than Joe Fagen was?! Also some one asking why Lucas gets picked week in week out (Probably because he is absolutely amazing and not too far off world class), he was slating him and Matt the presenter said who would you have picked instead and he froze. It really annoys me when fans think they know everything and often chat utter blab. I do not think that Roy is the right man for the job now but he was the perfect man to takeover while the takeover was done because he has a wise head on his shoulders. Also Paul Koncheskey os nothing like Liverpool quality, I'd sooner have Riise back

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30 Nov 2010 11:09:28
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Sad news about Carra. . . Now all we need is Pepe and Torres out for a month or 2 and then we can safely say not much else can go wrong this season!

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30 Nov 2010 11:01:07
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As a gold & black i don't think jarvis is good enough for the present top 5 or liverpool for that matter! i think he is a very good middle of the table club player? what happend to your bale rumours? better than jarvis? its not a ploy to put you off, i don't want him to go! but he just isn't good enough! gold & black

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30 Nov 2010 10:57:33
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With Gerrard and Carra injured and Torres unable to score even in Shrek's brothell, it's time to give youth/ others an extended run in the team.
Let's face it Carra is now a yard or two too slow, Gerrard has maybe 2 or 3 years left at the top and Torres, judging by his body language doesn't want to be here.
Play Wilson and Kelly as a CB pair, Jonjo Shelvey or Pacheco alongside Mereiles or Cole in the middle (coz Cole can't play with his back to goal).
Maybe controvertial, but I'd sell Torres before his value drops any more and buy some young hungry wingers and strikers.
Our club is at a crossroads, we need to move forward, even if it means at the expense of immediate results.

Greenmonkey

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30 Nov 2010 10:28:10
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Noing carra he will be the back in the first game in jan true scouser ?

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30 Nov 2010 10:17:38
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Liverpool Rumours
Jamie Carragher to undergo surgery on his dislocated shoulder imminently. My best mate is an Orthopaedic Surgeon, he says not to expect Carra to be playing again anytime soon, usually takes 3 months to fully heal.

Taking that into consideration and with Agger's recent injury record, I wouldn't be surprised to see a cenre half being signed in January. Phillipe Mexes has been strongly linked, personally, I'd rather see Gary Cahill or Ryan Shawcross.

Joshuaaaa

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out for 3 months only if Surgery is required. if not, then about 1 month recovery period.

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30 Nov 2010 10:08:52
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"final tip just put Tom King at the end"

Or maybe just Joe King. . .

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30 Nov 2010 10:04:24
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"The Madness of king Roy 2"

So the BBC is wrong to point out that FIFA officials are allegedly corrupt and that the governing body is not bothered.
Is that the fault of the BBC?
No!
Consider the facts:
1. We want the World Cup - are we prpared to take it knowing it is run by 'gangsters' and conmen; run by an organisation that wants to avoid ALL tax and refuses to abide by any of the legal issues the rest of us have to follow?
2. Blatter has been aware of the issues for more than six years - what reasons have FIFA given for REFUSING to investigate?
3. We want the World Cup very badly - should we keep quiet and ignore all the allegations?
4. FIFA has claimed it is cleaning up the game - are we so desperate for the World Cup that we ignore the alleghed corruption?
5. We are very desperate to have the World Cup - would the alleged bribes of $100 million have been better spent on the grassroots of the game?
6. We are SO SO desperate for the World Cup - will it prove embarrassing for Peince William to be involved if FIFA are finally proved to be corrupt?

At least the Dutch had the guts to tell FIFA they were not going to exempt them from paying tax. It was only 14 months ago the British public was up in arms about the banks wanting to avoid tax . . are we now saying it is FINE and DANDY for FIFA to want the same?

The BBC did a public service in blowing the whistle on these people.
Why this time you ask?
Well - when BA or the tube unions go on strike, they choose the right moment for maximum effect.
The BBC rightly did the same.
After all, if we win the World Cup and then BBC showed the prgramme, there would cries of "why didn't you tell us BEFORE the vote?"

We have just gone through a process of fighting, crying, screaming and getting angry about corrupt politicians and their kickbacks.
Becuase it's football are we saying the exact thing is okay?!

Steve Parker

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30 Nov 2010 10:03:00
I know that it sounds hard but the best news that we have had for months is that Jamie Carragher may be out for three months - extremely sad for a hard-working player but the only way that he would ever leave the team. Let's no go beserk and sign yet another centre-back - just recall Ayala (if possible) and give young Wilson a chance. We can't always think that buying players is the option. We have lots of good, promising young players who know the ins-and-outs of Liverpool Football Club and buying in is not always successful. In fact, by Liverpool it is hardly ever successful. I was delighted with the coming of Cole and Jovanovic and Meireles but up to now they have not been a success. In Liverpool's first season back in the First Divison almost fifty years they finished 11th- since then the team has only been outside the top 8 once - it looks very much as if that is going to be twice unless things improve rather rapidly. John Lennon said 'give peace a chance'- I say 'GIVE YOUTH A CHANCE"! !
Mal 42

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30 Nov 2010 09:57:58
Liverpool Rumours
Jamie Carragher to undergo surgery on his dislocated shoulder imminently. My best mate is an Orthopaedic Surgeon, he says not to expect Carra to be playing again anytime soon, usually takes 3 months to fully heal.

Taking that into consideration and with Agger's recent injury record, I wouldn't be surprised to see a cenre half being signed in January. Phillipe Mexes has been strongly linked, personally, I'd rather see Gary Cahill or Ryan Shawcross.


Kelly, Wilson, Ayala, Wisdom, Mendy, Mavinga.

6 good reasons why we shouldn't sign any centre backs and start blooding some talented youngsters. Add Connor Coady into the mix and we have enormous potential in these positions but will Woy bite the bullet and blood any of these youngsters?
After the Northampton debacle, I fear not but he is going to have to be decisive soon or the best crop of talent we've had for some time (in most positions) will be wasted away. Its already looking touch and go about Dani Pacheco and if he was to be allowed to leave, what message does it give out to other foreign starlets such as Souso and Bruna?

The Purple helmet

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30 Nov 2010 09:54:09
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Does anyone else hate it when we play spearing in the Europa league the commentaters call him a youngster. He is 22 . Messi won the world player of the year at 22

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30 Nov 2010 09:50:59
{Editor's Note: I doubt that will be moving and that the differences will be resolved. And if he is not up to scratch for Villa, would he be for Liverpool? Suso is only just 17 - he needs some time before you will see him in the first team.}

Mascherano wasn't up to scratch for the Hammers, but he was more than a descent player for us. Maybe it's not so cut & dried that if a certain player doesn't cut it somewhere that they are doomed to failure. I like Ireland as a footballer!

The Irish Rover

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30 Nov 2010 09:45:40
As most of us on this site agree that Roy is not the answer I thought I would give my top 5 possibilities as a replacement.

1) Rijkaard
2) Deschamps
3) coyle
4) Di Matteo
5) Poyet

These are in no particular order . Just wondered what the Eds or anyone else thought.

EST.1892

Editor's Note: One Ed likes O'Driscoll - my preference is for Claude Puel.}


I just think the criteria should be

1) Attacking Football
2) To be young enough to do 10 years or more at the club
3) To be able to attract top players to the club ( even though the name LFC should be good enough to do that )
4) Be brave enough to give youth a chance.


EST.1892

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30 Nov 2010 09:44:22
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With Carra out for 3 months expect to see the partnership of Soto and Skrtel. Heck, strikers will be so scared to go near them so we should give Pepe his 100th league clean sheet. Id expect us to go for Gary Cahill, Honda and a Striker in Jan. We will just have to see what happens.

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30 Nov 2010 09:33:05
And what's all the hype about suso seen him last week and he was ment to be the next massive thing out of Spain just look like a normal young Spanish player lots of promise but nothing to back it up Here we go again. The kid has an average game playing for the reserves or the U18`s and gets slated for not being a word beater. Stop putting pressure on these kids and maybe they might come through and shine which is what we all want.


EST.1892

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30 Nov 2010 09:28:28
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Liverpool Rumours
The only reason that Carlton Cole isn't already a Liverpool player is that a last ditch deal involving Ryan Babel going in the opposite direction couldn't be agreed in time on deadline day. There is no reason to believe Roy won't move for him again in January.
Cole's poor form so far this season is due to him sulking about the deal falling through. Unless Roy is stopped by the board he will attempt to sign him for £8 million once the window opens.

Harry J

{Editor's Note: Any transfers will need to be agreed between Roy, Comolli and others before the board (Tom Wener) are approached to release any money. So any fouled up transfers from now on are not going to be the fault of the manager - certainly not alone.}

Roy's latest quotes seem to suggest he believes he still has the final say on transfer dealings so something will have to give in January.

Harry J

{Editor's Note: Then you have misundersttod what he has said - he will understand the transfer process perfectly well.}

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30 Nov 2010 09:25:39
Liverpool Rumours
As most of us on this site agree that Roy is not the answer I thought I would give my top 5 possibilities as a replacement.

1) Rijkaard
2) Deschamps
3) coyle
4) Di Matteo
5) Poyet

These are in no particular order . Just wondered what the Eds or anyone else thought.

EST.1892

Editor's Note: One Ed likes O'Driscoll - my preference is for Claude Puel.}

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30 Nov 2010 09:01:07
Liverpool Rumours
ED, any chance of us getting Steven Ireland if the talks with villa break down or if he to old for the owners to splash the cash on? ?

and what's all the hype about suso seen him last week and he was ment to be the next massive thing out of Spain just look like a normal young Spanish player lots of promise but nothing to back it up

ramy2007

{Editor's Note: I doubt that will be moving and that the differences will be resolved. And if he is not up to scratch for Villa, would he be for Liverpool? Suso is only just 17 - he needs some time before you will see him in the first team.}

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30 Nov 2010 08:57:19
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I have heard that Xavi, Iniesta and Messi are the bait for Barca to try and sign Poulsen, Jova and Konchesky. . . . . . . NOT SURE HOW MUCH TRUTH IS IN THIS but im not too sure where Messi would fit it, any ideas?

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30 Nov 2010 08:39:11
Liverpool Rumours
First post, not a rumour but an odd fact. . Sunday evening after the spurs game, Roy Hodgson was travelling alone on the northern line? Austerity measures at Liverpool? Or is all not well?

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30 Nov 2010 08:38:22
Sorry Ed, I just realised i kept posting to the wrong part of the site.

Anyway, I don't feel that we need a lot of established stars, we need to get a good young manager in, that has done things the liverpool way, someone like Didi Hamman, and have them manage with King Kenny overlooking and assisting, the same as Bob Paisley did for him.

We could then go on the lookout not so much for the outstanding brilliance of this or that person, but bring through a lot of good quality young players that may not be superstars, but have enough quality to be moulded into a team.

This was the way we evolved in the 70's and 80's, and I personally would like us to go back to that route.

Our players all had quality, but learned to play with and for each other and we didn't have the high priced mavericks that you get today that want it all but give nothing in return.

Red4Ever

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30 Nov 2010 08:32:47
{Editor's Note: Chelsea had an agreement with Mourinho before the Champion's League final.}
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I stand corrected. Apologies.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's NOte: Certainly no need to apologise - at some point I will explain how it came about.}

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30 Nov 2010 08:25:44
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I keep seeing that this manager or that manager won't come to LFC because of this or that.

Do we not have a new regime in now that will make the changes it sees fit to make to improve us as a club and as a business?

I may be wrong, but surely us being in a strong position in the league and europe means we are commercially more viable, so we need a top manager.

Pelligrini was interviewed and refused, that's because the board needed a yes man in that was expendable for the new owners.

Would pelligrini been so easy to shift if the new owners didn't want him. Lets just see what NESV do and then judge them on that, instead of saying who or whio won't be managing us in the future because of decisions made by a prior regime.

Please Post this Ed as I have read this site for a long time and none of my posts ever seem to make it

Red4Ever

{Editor's NOte: I am pretty certain that your posts do make it - perhaps you don't look in the non Rumour pages?}

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30 Nov 2010 08:19:58
Liverpool Rumours
29 Nov 2010 13:31:10
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool Rumours
I have heard that we are closing on elmander. wouldn't that be a wonderful capture if it happens. Any news on that ED?

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The above cannot be true. . . . this clown has rattled the guttering at the Reebok Stadium more time than hitting the bar of the nets!

Come Roy, bring in some class, don't take us even more backwards!

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30 Nov 2010 08:04:25
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Id like reina to get it too but what u reckon to torres getting it to help his confidence and give him responsibility might help him out {ed's note - I don't know, maybe it would be a distraction to him.}

I see your point ed, but wasn't he captain of Athletico when we bought him, and when we bought him he was flying, does he need that responsibility to bring him out of the doldrums

Red4Ever

{Editor's Note: No - just don't take the risk and give it to Reina.}

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30 Nov 2010 08:02:13
COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH THIS COMMENT

Looking at barcelona tonight, you have to say that they are by far the best TEAM in the world. World class players coming from their very own academy, youngsters getting their chance, beautiful football, players closing the ball down instantly and forcing errors, fantastic team spirit but best of all players WHO ARE PROUD TO PLAY FOR THEIR CLUB. To be honest there is no comparison between "beautiful" barca and liverpool. Everything that makes barca such a great team is exactly what is going wrong with liverpool. A bit harsh i know but just think about it. Barca really are an example for not just us, but every other football team out there. As for real madrid i hope that people can see now that 350 million worth of signings cannot buy you trophies. Only a 5-0 hammering.
Red bl00ded!

HOWEVER IT IS WORTH POINTING OUT THAT BARCELONA HAVE A 'B' TEAM PLAYING IN THE SPANISH LEAGUE SYSTEM. THE RESERVE STRUCTURE IN THE UK DOESN'T HELP DEVELOPE THE YOUNGSTERS PROPERLY.

ChrisE

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30 Nov 2010 07:51:12
Looking at barcelona tonight, you have to say that they are by far the best TEAM in the world. World class players coming from their very own academy, youngsters getting their chance, beautiful football, players closing the ball down instantly and forcing errors, fantastic team spirit but best of all players WHO ARE PROUD TO PLAY FOR THEIR CLUB. To be honest there is no comparison between "beautiful" barca and liverpool. Everything that makes barca such a great team is exactly what is going wrong with liverpool. A bit harsh i know but just think about it. Barca really are an example for not just us, but every other football team out there. As for real madrid i hope that people can see now that 350 million worth of signings cannot buy you trophies. Only a 5-0 hammering.
Red bl00ded!
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Totally agree mate, this is the way football should be played. Hope Man Citeh were watching lol

MUSHROOM

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30 Nov 2010 07:45:11
Liverpool Rumours
The reason Jose will never manage us is because just before Rafa joined his agent rang the then owner Moores and his sidekick Parry and they decided in their wisdom that he was not the right man for the job.

Absolutely true. .

Macca
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100% correct Macca!

Blair Mayne YNWA
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I thought it was because we approached Mourinho before Portos champions league final and Chelski waited until after? I'm pretty sure I heard this from Mourinho in an interview a while back.

MUSHROOM

{Editor's Note: Chelsea had an agreement with Mourinho before the Champion's League final.}

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30 Nov 2010 07:00:48
I'd prefer to lose Torres than Reina

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30 Nov 2010 07:00:05
We need new young fresh coaches, manager and talented scouts plus a cb, lb, dcm, rw, lw and supporting striker.

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30 Nov 2010 06:55:03
Looking at barcelona tonight, you have to say that they are by far the best TEAM in the world. World class players coming from their very own academy, youngsters getting their chance, beautiful football, players closing the ball down instantly and forcing errors, fantastic team spirit but best of all players WHO ARE PROUD TO PLAY FOR THEIR CLUB. To be honest there is no comparison between "beautiful" barca and liverpool. Everything that makes barca such a great team is exactly what is going wrong with liverpool. A bit harsh i know but just think about it.
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Not harsh. I've thought for years that LFC should be looking at the likes of Barca and Arsenal as examples of teams that win trophies and entertain. Why would we have any manager that does not want those 2 qualities? How is Roy trying to achieve those 2 goals? Our next manager should be someone with those aspirations.

cozinoz

{Editor's note "and Arsenal" and "win trophies"?}

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30 Nov 2010 06:43:56
To all those attacking torres for his porformance yesterday, ur simply wrong, he looked interested, chased down the ball, played on the defenders shoulders and created chances with some creative skills. so to those now doubting his value (ha ha) just stop supporting the club if that's what u call it. i mean u can't expect him to put every sniff away when the rest of the team decide to turn up for once. seriously u always need something to complain about, just cause all u idiots finally realised lucas is a good player and RH actually got a good all round performance out off the lads don't look at nando of all peaple as ur next victim

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i am one of the people that have stuck up for roy and especially lucas from day one and always will but torres issue is getting abit thin now. yes he is a great player when he wants to be but to be fair he hasnt been at his best for two seaons now. he needs games. . . he has had planety now, he needs the service. . .hes getting that now. . . . .he needs a support a striker. . . hes had that now but still has his bottom lip out most of the match. i think we have to weigh it up now. every summer its is torres leaving? ? if out of five games he plays like we now he can in three then fair enough but he aint, he has had 3-4 goodish games this season. the money he is getting paid he should be doin alot better considering he is 'the best striker in the world'. its not that i want him gone i just want the player to want to play for liverpool football club and have some passion, he could of won the game on sunday but instead he looked like he didn't even want to score! ! just my opinion but im sure ill get slated by most 'fans' on here.


matty b

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30 Nov 2010 06:32:45
Liverpool Rumours
I hope Liverpool has seen these two guys playing. Both are wonder and players to watch. . One is "Rasmus Jonsson from Helsingborgs IF" and the other is a bit famous "Jano Ananidze from spartak". . These two would definitely be great for future. . Ed, have you seen them, play. . What are your thoughts about them. . Thanks. .
I think they would be much cheaper than Eden Hazard. .

{Editor's Note: I know nothing of them at all.}

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30 Nov 2010 06:21:31
Liverpool Rumours
Ed Liverpool are at their best when Torres is up front on his own. At the moment, we are struggling for width and pace. Personally I think Liverpool must invest in wide players rather than I striker. We do need a new striker however they need to be someone cheap who has a strikers instinct but is prepared to spend time onm the bench. I would suggest someone such as Rodallega, Kerzahkov or Milevsky from Dynamo Kiev.

I also think Liverpool need to invest in wide players - fullbacks and wings. Johnson is an attacking threat but cannot defend for his life. Konchesky is hopeless. Left back could be Ziegler or Taiwo in the summer. At right back, Kelly is developing and Johnson is shaky, but in the meantime someone such as Micah Richards or the versatile Mathieu Debuchy.

Wingers are we we need to spend real money. Our current players are not good enough. There are many possibilities however I think we need to sign two of:

Eden Hazard - Electrifying pace. Will be superstar.
Ezequiel Lavezzi - Creative and can play as a striker.
Ashley Young - Good delivery and more importantly English.
Jaun Mata - Fast and skillful. Valencia also have cashflow problems.

We also need to clear out the deadwood which will also help generate funds. Babel, Konchesky, Aquilani (permanantly), Poulsen, Lucas, etc.

While not a priority, I would also like to see a new holding midfielder. Ideally Yann M'Vila or Banega.

I also think many of Comoli's youth targets need to come in as we look to the future.

Just ideas ed. Please post

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30 Nov 2010 06:04:00
Liverpool Rumours
Macca !
How can you even dream of xabi alonSo returning ?
He is spanish-Real will never sell him, nor will he want to return.
I used to love your posts cos they ended up being Right in most occasions. But this one is absolute rubbish. Atleast you should substantiate

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30 Nov 2010 05:19:10
First off ed, i just want to say that i am a massive liverpool fan and that i just want t c the rite things happening for the club. i however feel its time 2 cash in on torres, who simply does not want t b at the club. i feel we should use the money 2 bring in 2 world class players, which could be done with the fee that we would get from torres. don't get me wrong, i loved torres as much as anyone but we need fighters now and i don't feel he's putting the effort in.
one other point that i would like t make is that s ireland would be a great buy in jan. i no his head is all over the place but he is young and well able to control a game. he can pick a pass and well able to find the net. could be a great player 4 years t come. great site ed

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30 Nov 2010 02:44:10
Liverpool Rumours
Dirk kuyt has been captain in the past, so maybe him?

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30 Nov 2010 02:31:11
Liverpool Rumours
Hope our new Hansen (Wilson) starts in Carra's position- - the kid's top class!

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30 Nov 2010 01:44:08
I meant the team name could be Liverpool City and Moyes is the better manager on Mersyside. The money this type of merger would make could put LIverpool back on the football map
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No, no and no. Liverpool wouldn't share anything with the blue noses.

Why would we want to merge with them? We are the far bigger club, bigger history, bigger fanbase, bigger ambitions, and hopefully we'll have a bigger stadium in a few years whether it be Anfield or a new one.

Why would we want to give up our tradition and great name to merge with Everton?

Sorry mate, didn't mean to offend, it was just a discussion we had at work and thought I'd throw it out there. Hodgson isn't the answer and I can honeslty seen Torres leaving if we fail to reach CL again. Also rumours of Samaras being a target made shocked me. Stevie G and Carragher must be disgusted with the goings on, but would never diss the club. We were in better nick during the Spice Boys era! !

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30 Nov 2010 01:30:46
Looking at barcelona tonight, you have to say that they are by far the best TEAM in the world. World class players coming from their very own academy, youngsters getting their chance, beautiful football, players closing the ball down instantly and forcing errors, fantastic team spirit but best of all players WHO ARE PROUD TO PLAY FOR THEIR CLUB. To be honest there is no comparison between "beautiful" barca and liverpool. Everything that makes barca such a great team is exactly what is going wrong with liverpool. A bit harsh i know but just think about it. Barca really are an example for not just us, but every other football team out there. As for real madrid i hope that people can see now that 350 million worth of signings cannot buy you trophies. Only a 5-0 hammering.
Red bl00ded!

100% agree with you mate, BUT. .do you think they will be able to hold onto all their superstars for the forseebale 2/ 3/ 4 years? Would take a helluva lot of money to replace them with players of the same calibre if at all possible. Barca aren't my preferred La Liga side (unhappy Madrid fan) but that was more like watching a remake of Escape to Victory, For my money Iniesta is THE best player in the world right now, no disrepect to Messi. Aren't Spanish sides in a bit of a financial meltdown ED? And if Pep heads to Chelski, how many Barca players would follow or go elsewhere for a "fresh challenge"?

{Editor's Note: The spending cuts for clubs are worldwide with the exception of a few. Whilst Chelsea are clear of debt they do intend to become self sustaining so I do not see the Barcelona team decamping to Chelsea. And it is true that the Spanish sides are in a, generally, worse position than the rest of the European leagues.}

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30 Nov 2010 00:52:32
Blair mayne. Your probably right mate about nesv not wanting alonso back because of his age.Wishfull thinking on my part. One can only dream.But i do belive we will win title in next three years
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

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30 Nov 2010 00:47:52
Liverpool Rumours
If you look on man s* tty rumours they reckon that aj and swp will be enough to get torres, dont think so,

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30 Nov 2010 00:44:09
I wish you get relegated and we get torres,


hurry up and bugger off, matron will be round soon and youve still got the pencils out,

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30 Nov 2010 00:06:39
Looking at barcelona tonight, you have to say that they are by far the best TEAM in the world. World class players coming from their very own academy, youngsters getting their chance, beautiful football, players closing the ball down instantly and forcing errors, fantastic team spirit but best of all players WHO ARE PROUD TO PLAY FOR THEIR CLUB. To be honest there is no comparison between "beautiful" barca and liverpool. Everything that makes barca such a great team is exactly what is going wrong with liverpool. A bit harsh i know but just think about it. Barca really are an example for not just us, but every other football team out there. As for real madrid i hope that people can see now that 350 million worth of signings cannot buy you trophies. Only a 5-0 hammering.
Red bl00ded!

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29 Nov 2010 23:57:23
29 Nov 2010 23:40:05
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You shouldn't let these Barcelona fans on this site ED.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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