Liverpool Banter Archive April 03 2013

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03 apr 2013 23:18:44
just watched the hillsborough programme on tv and they have got the title of it right because the 96 will never be forgotten ever! justice for the 96 ynwa r. i. p jon96

The 3 who disagreed with this post need to look in the mirror and realise what disgusting human beings they are. Even if you don't agree, you don't have to publicly click a 'Disagree' button for somebody paying tribute to the 96, you horrible little creatures.

JFT 96

JP

04 Apr 2013 11:38:48
Makes me sick as well JP, 96 human lives lost, and clearly some people think this doesn't matter because of what football team they supported. I'm so proud that we are still fighting for justice, 24 years on, even though I have no connection to Hillsborough other than as a supporter of the club, it makes me proud to be part of the LFC family.

JFT96

04 Apr 2013 12:01:28
Thanks for cutting my post Ed. {Ed002's Note - It was cut because we are not going down that route.}

03 Apr 2013 23:11:24
After Rodgers' comments about Reina do you still think Pepe will leave in the summer?

03 Apr 2013 22:51:10
Just some common sense for people to consider when hearing a rumour! The pattern of transfers is cheap good quality talent that is cheap because it failed in a quality club! Sturridge and Coutinho are great examples, quality players failing in great clubs, but under Rodgers' guidance beginning to thrive.

My guess on future targets is cheap experience with one young talent. I expect lescott, because age and experience will help the younger talent coming through our defensive ranks to develop. I suspect Alonso, because experience will push Hendo, Allen and Shelvey in the right direction. I think either, potentially both, of Honda and Eriksen as the exciting right sided player to compliment Coutinho and Suarez

So who is the cheap experience you talk about?

Please god I hope we don't get lescott

Ack17

04 Apr 2013 08:30:23
i actually agree with the original poster we do have this type of policy but your transfer targets are incorrect. some player who have not been great at big clubs but have bags of potential are jeremy menez (PSG), alexis sanchez (BARCA), sakho (PSG), gustavo (muncih) I think we will be looking at such type of players in the summer players who are hungry to prove themselves.

03 Apr 2013 22:33:15
eds fellow red

just wanted to find out what happened to our little uruguayen CB.

bought as a ball playing CB at 6'6" and also beat the likes of neymar to the copa america young player of the tournament, what about 2 years ago.

i look to one of the best CB pairing of the prem. vidic and ferdinand,
vidic was the out and out ball winner the one who went for most of the ball that came in the air, while rio droped back incase of anything got through.
to me coates and agger could have the same relationship,
i just think of the game against everton where we struggled to cope with fellaini (one of the best aerial threats in the prem if not the world) till we brought coates on and completely neutralised that threat.

if i'm not mistaken rodgers started 3 at the back against chelsea to accommodate coates in the side after his show at everton.

so what is going with seb?
is it that he is just not good enough?
is he suffering from lack of first team action?
does he have any family or girlfriend here with him?
would a loan help his development?

also does any one think he has what it takes to make it in the prem?

Too slow

Ed, can you post through a phone device? {Ed002's Note - I think you can.}

KUMBER, totally agree, have said this before, the back 4 play as a unit and have to build up an understanding and when you chop and change a back 4, for whatever reason, mistakes and inconsistencies creep in.
Coates has never had a run in the team with the regular back 4 members.
As you said Johnson, Coates, Agger, Enrique.
Most of his appearances have been in a back 4 made up of Carra to left side and 2 young fullbacks.
He needs a run in the team, 4 or 5 games in, he could start showing his real worth?

He's very slow and very clumsy. Every time he plays he looks like giving a penalty away. I don't get why fans get so attached to players that don't make it at our club. It happens everywhere some players struggle to adapt to certain leagues/styles it doesn't make them a bad player just move them on and wish them well. Borini is another, his movement and reactions are somewhat none existent and he miss kicks the ball doing air shots every match, but at another club he may come good. Look at Coutinho.
DBol

If you you think borini's movement is non existent you need your head checking

Dboy you say he is very slow, but how slow is he? I would say he is faster then carra at least and prob faster then you give him credit for, being a CB is more about positioning than speed.
As for clumsy and always looks like he is going to give a pen away, has he given a pen away in a red shirt I can't remember? So other players get extend runs in first team before they are called not good enough (hendo, downing, Lucas, Allen) but Coates and borini are not good enough after a few games where they were not that bad.
As for countinho not making it In Italy, it was more to do with the system then his ability, they play with wing backs not out and out wingers.

Oldham FA cup 4th round.

Enough said.

04 Apr 2013 20:39:17
Kumber I went to the Oldham match and saw him with my own eyes get out jumped, bullied and practically embarrassed by lower league opposition. He isn't good enough for Liverpool and please don't compare him to Carra that's like comparing a giraffe to a lion. I'm not going to say anything about him because he's probably a good guy but if he was even half as good as Carra then I'm sure Kenny or Rodgers would have played him more.
DBol

03 Apr 2013 21:19:57
Real Madrid have got an absolute star in the making in Varane. Unbelievable talent at only 19 years old.

JFT 96

JP

You can see which young players are going to be special.

Like when SG came onto the scene, you could tell that he was going to be a star for us.

Yeh totally agree mate. His pace and maturity caught my eye in the UTD match and again tonight.

We have a few that could be stars! Sterling suso wisdom coutinho!

Sometimes you can tell after a season which players are going to be stars. But just because it doesn't seem obvious doesn't always mean it won't happen - look at Carragher

03 Apr 2013 21:14:16
I was reading a post further down suggesting we buy Benteke and there was posters making comparisons pertaining to one season wonders and us getting our fingers burnt with Andy Carroll.
All I can say to that is, just use your eyes?
Benteke is a far superior footballer than Carroll and a better goalscorer.
He gets his efforts in on goal instantly, like all good goalscorers do, he also attacks the ball brilliantly well from free kicks and corners also holds up play well and stays on his feet.
All the attributes Carroll does not possess.
I personally would never have bought Carroll as even when he was playing well for Newcastle they were constantly leaving him out of the side for various reasons? He once scored 5 goals in 6 games and was dropped, I think we now know why.
No club will ever get a full season out Carroll.
So you can't say "Don't buy Benteke"
Just because of Carroll? Who's actually a better player now, than when we bought him for £35m but still he's not good enough.
I actually think Chelsea will buy Benteke and he will go on improving and end up a tremendous striker.
But I would love us to get him as I think Benteke, Sturridge, Coutinho and the wonderful Luis Suarez would be a fearsome attack for LFC.

I agree with most of your post but I don't think he's chelsea bound as they got lukaku

I certainly wouldn't say don't buy Benteke because of Carroll but I always say don't buy anybody off the back of 1 season

Ahoy - Kid Millions

Please replace "Benteke" with "Lukaku" then repost.

Then replace "Lukaku" with "Michu" and repost.

My point is let's not get our heads turned by one successful season and pay lots of money in the hope they continue scoring goals - these players may continue to impress and develop over the next 12 - 18 months and then be proven and more suitable for a more realistic price - it might be a higher price but less of a risk

BOILED ONIONS.

Carroll looked even better when he was playing for Newcastle banging in hatricks and terrorizing every defense

He's a shadow of of the player he used to be but you still see glimpses of it (header for england, brace for hammers other day)

It's too early to say Benteke is a guarentee

I believe the stick AC gets is unjust, I personally think a player like him needs a few years on his technique. He's young and if he can work on that, he'll be a great asset to any team

People on here were saying sign jelavich last season, look how thatvwent

I know exactly what everyone is saying and in many ways it's right not to jump in on the back of one good season.
But as in life, football is also a gamble.
Our club LFC has to back the judgement of the management team it employs to sign good prospects while the price is not too inflated.
Benteke is worth x amount on the back of one good season.
But it could be x amount if he continues his great form and then he will out of reach for us as we would be priced out of the market.
A better example of a succesful gamble in the transfer market for us is Suarez (no one was willing to take a chance)
That is my point, don't let the purchase of Carroll cloud or taint your judgement.
We need to identify and buy quality up and coming players at a good price and that will come with a certain element of risk.

He's also quite pretty.

Paper talk today say he's a top target for Spurs, which would make sense considering their attacking options. Makes it pretty unlikely we'll get him as out top targets are in defense

04 Apr 2013 08:42:32
Andy, quite simply, looked good until he didn't look good anymore!

No reason to think Benteke would be any different until he shows us.

03 Apr 2013 19:05:17
Here's a question do Liverpool fans think we need to get cover for lucas or get someone who is better I think he hasn't filled the boots of masch
Agree or disagree anyone in mind?

Masch was a great little player and probably the best tackler in todays football but his passing could be awful and certainly not good enough for Barca's midfield.

Luis Gustavo and maybe try wisdom oor bring back Masch can't imagine he enjoys playing center half

Lucas has improved a lot over the years, but this team is not as good as the midfield of Alonso, Masch and SG.
The fact is that we have never replaced Alonso in the position of the deep lying midfielder. As much as I like Lucas he is not in the same class and maybe is better given the 'Masch' role to roam and win the ball.
I think the position needs to be addressed in the summer
G

All the talk about alonso back I'd rather masch who would you's rather? Decisions decisions

Id prefer someone who tackles like Masch and hits 40 yard passes like Alonso. Oh wait I know a guy. His name is Steven Gerrard

The problem is most fans can pick a decent player more than our scouts.
For eg. look a Medel at Sevilla, an exceptional player at CDM and would cost utmost around 6 million pounds and we haven't even looked at him.
Instead we go and look for Iturra who if we buy are going to regret massively.

"The problem is most fans can pick a decent player more than our scouts.
For eg. look a Medel at Sevilla, an exceptional player at CDM and would cost utmost around 6 million pounds and we haven't even looked at him.
Instead we go and look for Iturra who if we buy are going to regret massively. "

Not one part of this is statement is sensible

I think, why bother talking about a player who would never come back to Liverpool in Masch. I like Masch though. cna't compare them. I think Liverpool could do with Masch more than alonso right now.

03 Apr 2013 18:59:12
Anyone else think we can be title challengers within 3 years?
A lot of the big teams have dropped back in quality and will need rebuilding. Liverpool have got at least a years headstart on them.
A lot of our players will starting to come into their primes, hendo, sturridge, coutinho, Allen etc etc etc. Not many teams can say that. They will have to buy in. Ours will have had several years playing together and will benefit from that with better teamwork, passing etc.
And dare I say it but united will feel the loss of sir alex (presuming he finally goes) and will need rebuilding as well.
I know the project is long term at Liverpool but it looks like things might actually pay off.

A bit of optimism there for everyone.

MIKEY

03 Apr 2013 23:01:59
tbh mate I think united will get mourinho or pep or someone like this who will attract top names and carry on winning trophies, not like they will get a young manager starting out like we have and they already have a class squad and will strengthen this summer, may even get bale or ronaldo bacj so I don't think it matters who takes them over, sadly they will continue to be a force for years to come.
Aslong as city have money they won't go anywhere and have a class squad that will only get better. Same with chelsea. Arsenal and tottenham are currently better than us but hopefully we can try to catch them up.
All in all I think us being a title contender is a long time off if ever but if we focus on top four over the next few years and manage to achieve that goal then who knows, football is always changing but the uniteds and chelseas I fear will never go away for sometime.

Key to our success and re build process is keeping hold of our best players -Suarez for starters

Nicky D

03 Apr 2013 18:47:39
I still fail to see how so many people can judge borini when he has been so unfortunate with injuries?! He's barley been able to string games together so how can you actually judge him :S if suarez got injured right at the start he would be rusty so honestly how can you people judge him?

From what I've seen he works really hard running up and down and does make good runs. He also looks like a decent poacher that could finish when he's fit and ready so people need to stop judging him

London red

U have obviously never seen him live the. No technical ability. Touch is so poor. Don't think he will cut it. Get shut IMO and get a more proven striker for the 10m.

Sorry but what is that based on? The few games he's played for us where he's obv going to be rusty? Why not just give him another season where hopefully he can get a string of games together

London red

Poor touch and no technical ability? A) What rubbish is this and B) If it was true, how would we recoup the 10m for him?

03 Apr 2013 16:51:11
I'm sick of so cold fans giving Borini rubbish. no he hasn't hit the ground running, but injuries certainly haven't helped him.
Just cast your minds back To Lucas and the crap he had to endure, next came Jordan Henderson who was given terrible stick and is only just winning the fans over now so much so he's being talked of as a future Liverpool captain.
The thing and you can add Joe Allen to this they all have in common or had in Lucas's case was that they are all young men going for hefty transfer fees to a club that is on a different stratosphere size wise from the ones they came from.
A little bit more patience and support to these young men would certainly not go a miss. Try it some of you, you might. actually get a bit of a buzz doing it.

Iam eagerly waiting for his return. He makes some good movement off the ball and with Coutinho in wings, Borini can make an impact I think so. Hope for the best.
ynwa

He hasn't had the best of luck as he? He can't be called a failure just yet. He has played a lot while getting fit. Rushie use to say he needed six games in a row, after an injury, before he was fit and firing, again. I never judge players who are trying to gain match fitness. That's why I won't judge Coates as HE plays once out for 10, then fans come on and say that he's not taken his chance.

Well said mate.

All of these players arrived with a burden and have suffered injuries and as a consequence has affected their form/confidence.

Borinis movement off the ball is excellent and he does get in the right places at the right time. Confidence will bring that finishing touch.

Is right.

DaveyBootle

Rubbish when u pay these large transfer fees a player is expected to hit the ground running because he is suppose to be a quality player which was the case with torres, suarez and coutinho. in the case of borini its pretty plain to see when he has played he's been pretty poor missed some awful chances and that was what he was suppose to be good been.

But he DID hit the ground running, and that's how he injured his shoulder.

03 Apr 2013 21:22:17
one word for you fellaa.
borini is poor. if he run or walk. he is poor.

Well said, the original poster:
If we get back in the Champions League, you could easily see Borini with his running power becoming the new Davy Fairclough.
We havn't had a really good impact player for a while.
The other lot down the Lancs have had a few and have got a really good one now.
So just give him a chance to show what he can do even if that's as a really good squad impact player.

Okay Fabio. I know you must be bored not playing, but please stop posting about yourself under these different aliases.

G

He's embarrassingly bad. No talent what so ever and the worst buy of BR reign so far. I'd rather have Maxi Rodriguez any day of the week

Really dreadful player, worse than Carroll

03 Apr 2013 16:35:46
£30-35m should get him. Hey no one knows our budget and I believe there will be a shock signing from Fenway.

Brad {Ed002's Note - If you are speaking of Cavani, two clubs offered €55M packages - one in cash - in the summer and neither was accepted.}

Wow, that's some package!
derryred

At least tell us who your bloody talking about mate! {Ed002's Note - He is talking of Cavani.}

04 Apr 2013 09:33:03
No way in hell would 35m get him! They have rejected offers of 50 million for him, would think people knew how to read ed002 words who are about 95% acurrate!
You will never in your life find a better source than him/her!

Malak

03 Apr 2013 16:31:13
We need the same midfield who played against villa to face west ham.
Really need hendo's energy and determination.

Would like to see; Coutinho, Suarez, Sturridge up front but no doubt Downing will get the nod for his better work ethic defensively.

Hoping for a 2-0!

RobInRed

That's funny, I'm hoping for 10-0!

Totally agree Robin, I've said previously that I think at present this is our best midfield. Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson.
I'm loving Henderson this season, he has greatly improved, I hope this improvement carries on into next season, then I do believe he will start to be a real quality player :0)

Phooey.

We need more than one foreward I home games

Start Henderson and make a decent sub shelvey deserves another crack wouldn't of won last game against these if it wasn't for him

Frankly, winning in any way is fine by me. A clean sheet will be a bonus as well. Slight shame that we're this week, might have been nice after Carrolls blinder last week to have him put a couple of games together

03 Apr 2013 15:08:35
How about we try a cunning to sell Carroll to Munich,
we tell them we payed 35mil for him so they will think he's bound to be good and with Andy being a big fella he's bound to impress. With a bit of luck they won't have watched him play and we tell them on the sly he's cheaper than Suarez. I think we could just pull this one off - 36mil to them.

Arthur Daily

I'll ride to Liverpool on my Unicorn and try to tell Ian Arye. Anyone know how to get past his goblin guards?

Go during their tea break.

03 Apr 2013 22:06:31
Make him crouch, put a mask on him and a number 7 shirt, and try and convince them it is Suarez. Of course Andy will have to work on his spanish accent.

03 Apr 2013 14:17:30
Hi eds any update on the potential take over? {Ed002's Note - It was dealt with on Monday.}

03 Apr 2013 14:55:47
Hi I usually do not post ever but I am now seeing so much of people bring our own club name down I had 2 respond to all of this
1. Brendan Rodgers
He is an exceptional manager and should not be compared to benitez his style of football is totally diff btw how many times did fans moan when benitez was in charge (about how boring we played ), or how benitez lost the change room the problem here is that too many fans want to be managers and the reason some fans don't buy into him is because we still waiting for fsg to secure a big name manager (not going to happen )
2. Fsg
Cut them some slak its way better than hicks and gillet again why some fans not happy with them is because we still waiting for a middle east take over pump millions into the club and win the league (not going to happen esp with fair play as of 2015)
3. Players
I cannot believe some supporters actully say he won't cum to our club or its a dream, were talking about lfc the same club that brought in loads of talent and btw younger players will look to come in lfc because of rodgers beliefe in the youth
4. Suarez
He will not leave he blasted the statments made in his home contry and edison cavani even tipped him to stay but if he wants to go let him its about the name on the front of the shirt not the back
5. Torres
Let's not go there slagged us off once at chelsea and some fans want him back hahah come on.

Haha the April fools that just keeps on giving!

Great post Justin! Funnily enough that's way my last bird said. Justin lol

James

Justin. You are extremely deluded mate.

03 Apr 2013 13:36:43
Is tello still being looked?

03 Apr 2013 13:07:30
Forgot to sign my name to the EL NINO post JON96

03 Apr 2013 13:05:37
Is it true ( I no done to death) Liverpool are thinking of bringing EL NINO back to be honest I think it would be a great move because with STEVIE G in the team and they were they played together I'm sure with LUIS SUAREZ them 2 could be lethal together me personally I hope it happens because in my eyes he's still the best out there EL NINO YNWA {Ed002's Note - Try the search function Jon - I do recall it coming up once before.}

I don't know what irritates me more lazy journalist's or stupid fans. There is literally no chance of this happening. We don't want him:
a) because he isn't good enough
b) he's getting on a bit
c) his wages would be to high
d) he slagged us off when he left

He wouldn't want to come back.

So unless we get taken over, sack Rodgers, bring back Benitez, there isn't a chance in hell of this happening. Hope that ansers your question.

Could you also please explain why you would want a player that has been out of form for nearly 4 years. I know people can lose form, but when that goes on for 4 years, it usually means they have lost it completely.

Why bring him back? I don't care for the fact that he slagged the club off more to do with wages and not being good enough to play Liverpool.

03 Apr 2013 16:13:46
I don't care what he has done I think both of them could win us the league I recall our captain want to better himself but all forgotten I've no problem with a player wanting to leave but u lot forget what EL NINO done for us JON96

Not good enough to play for Liverpool? He's not good enough to play for Wigan anymore

Please explain "Lazy Journalism"?


RD

03 Apr 2013 19:14:52
For someone to say he's not good enough to play for wigan just shows your lack of knowledge what's the saying most of the footie fans/ LFC fans like to use form is temp class is permanent get a grip people we all no what he can do and if it does happen I for 1 will welcome him with open arms JON96 {Ed001's Note - or it could be that your man crush is leading you to being deluded about just how bad he is now? Because he never had any class, that is why he forced his way out from Atletico and then us.}

Remember though Alonso will be in the team also!

Hes certainly not good enough for chelsea, not good enough for Liverpool?, i'm not to sure about that and i'm being serious here

03 Apr 2013 20:27:56
That's no joke about Wigan, his goal scoring record is on a par with Di Santo, maybe even worse. And any Torres nut higher who thinks they'd rather have Torres then Kone are living in the distant past, about 5 years on the past to be more precise.
Say what you want but he's shot his bolt as a top echelon footballer imo.

03 Apr 2013 18:39:48
Course he could come back. If Liverpool offer an acceptable amount of money, and he agrees to personal fees he will come back. He is good enough. A bad player does not turn into a good player. Circumstances around him change. Stop putting people down and calling them stupid for a asking questions and voicing opinions. The only effect that has is proving your ignorance, which is plain to see. BTW, sign your post if you are calling other people stupid.

Daveevad

I agree he deserves credit for what he did but that isn't enough to merit wanting him to return to us. Do you think he will drink the Liverpool water and mysteriously get his powers back. Besides the way we play no longer suits him and he would have to adapt. Maybe it is possible for him to return to his best, however there is much better value out there.
derryred

Thankfully someone has already done it for me, but yes the Wigan remark was dead serious - he is less effective than either of their strikers in goals per game and only slightly more effective than their second choice striker in goals scored. His wages are roughly equal to the entire Wigan first XI combined. And this is the second year of this level of performance. So in what way is he good enough to play for Wigan without reference to what he did four years ago?

I forgot to log on Dave, it was me. If people genuinely think Torres may come back they are stupid. We have no interest in him for the reasons mentioned and he would have no interest in coming back either.

As for form being temporary class being permanent, he has been out of form for 4 years now, that doesn't constitute a loss of form.

Oh and Lazy Journalists are the ones who just print a story that has nothing behind it because they can't be bothered actually sourcing some real information. Plenty of it goes on, hence why we are linked with 100's of players every window, of which we have interest in very few.

This is why the Ed's have to continuously say "Liverpool have no interest in a player".

03 Apr 2013 12:50:27
Why does everyone think we need a powerful midfielder? Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson and Shelvey are all capable of getting stuck in. Coady certainly is and deserves a chance. As well as that, Henderson and to a degree Shelvey and Gerrard are capable of producing those driving runs. They just need the confidence to do it.

Our style demands a technical ability and patience that brutes like Wamyama and Sissoko will never grasp. Why do you think Barcelona flogged off Yaya Toure? Since Toure left, Barcelona have been absolutely dominant in world football, because there's nobody trying to do too much or shoot from nowhere. Gerrard was this type of player, however, he has adapted brilliantly. I don't mean to say it bluntly, but a guy doesn't have to be a 6ft5 beast of African descent to be a powerful player. Souness anyone? Gerrard?

Lucas was the best defensive midfielder in the Premier league before his cruciates went. Whether or not he'll recover that is yet to be seen, but if not, I don't want a Rugby player in his place. Bender or Strootman are far better options.

Another thing, people are saying Alonso won't fit into our style due his lack of mobility. Can somebody let Vicente Del Bosque know that Alonso is the wrong man for Spain, and if they ever want to win an International tournament, he'll have to be dropped? He dictates the tempo, and is actually surprisingly tough in the tackle. He just needs a player alongside him to put in the legwork. Gerrard could easily do that. They are both older, and different players now, and could easily play alongside eachother. However, I think Alonso would be wise to wait out one more contract before he returns. I'd say in 3/4 years when Gerrard retires, Alonso should come back then as an experienced McAlister like signing, as having two 30+ year olds dominating our midfield, will hold up Henderson, Allen and Coadys development. Alonso has never suffered with injuries, and will play till he is 38 easily, so he should return when he's 35ish, be the experienced head in a budding pass and move side full of youth, and then retire with us.

Before we sign any midfielders, Henderson and Coady deserve a shot. What is the point in a youth accademy, or signing players for the future otherwise?

This post is getting really long, but should the unthinkable happen, and we lose Skrtel, Agger, Coates and Carragher in the summer, what would people say to Douglas and Dede being our Brazilian brick wall at the back? The communication with Enrique and Reina would be seemless as they all speak Spanish, and Lucas would definitely link up well with the two. I believe it'd work very well, whilst giving us a new bedrock at the back to build on for the next 10 years! Kelly, Sama and Wisdom could provide backup, although maybe one more defender would be required.

Sorry for the length, I just haven't posted in quite a while and have seen a few points I'd like to drop my view on. (Btw, Coutinho and Henderson for the goal at the weekend. outstanding!)

YNWA! (Adam)

03 Apr 2013 13:27:45
Mate Gerrard doesn't have the energy anymore, you can't play Alonso, Gerrard and lucas in midfield they don't have the pace or workrate which is required in our style, they will easily get run, we need a strong DM who can protect our defence even barca had yaya before now they have mascharano and song.

I think Biao, Pelosi and Teixeira are good enough to make it just depends on them getting the experience they need without weakening the team with inexperience.

Shelvey needs to proper season out on loan to a premier league side (with no call back clauses).

I'm not so sure about Coady, maybe give him a year out on loan to see if he can.

but I definitely think that Pelosi is a better midfielder than Coady and Biao is a better defensive mid than Coady.

The communication would be fine because they all speak Spanish? Shame the rest of the team don't and wouldn't have a clue what they are doing. Not to mention that Reina has been in England for about 7 years now and Douglas has had a long time in Holland - they both speak English fine

Great post about Baio, Pelosi and Teixeira. Baio is a great prospect a Makelele/ Lassana Diarra type midfielder who has been playing at right back recently would love to see him in the middle a bit more. Pelosi is a great athlete who was doing really well in the middle before his injury but I think could also be a great option on the left hand side and Teixeira oozes class, I wonder if he or Ibe could give us an option on the right hand side as an alternative to Downing, would love to see him at least make the matchday squad at some point this season. Coady is a great lad, and like Morgan and Spearing, I don't think he has the potential to sufficiently influence games.
DT

I cannot see Liverpool resigning Alonso at 35 years old, however Wanyama at only 21 yrs old has great technical ability and vision for the pass, he reminds me of an essien type player. Not only is he a good tackler but also can chip in with a few goals too. A player like Wanyama would allow Gerrard and Hendo to move up the pitch and not worry so much about defending.

If we were to sign Alonso I would prefer to sooner rather than later as like you say he is only getting older, and the pace of this league is as fast as ever. {Ed002's Note - Alonso is not 35 and there is no interest in Wanyama from Liverpool.}

Ed I know alonso is not 35 lol but the op said that alonso will play till at least 38 and should return at 35. I also know there is no interest in Wanyama, it is only of my opinion that he would do well at Liverpool. Cheers all the same tho

They speak portugese in brazil mate. Sorry.
We need all our players to have at least a basic grasp of english. At least footie speak.
Any other languages are not important in my eyes if your playing in England.

MIKEY

Strange that wanayama, s name has gone viral on these pages lately, yet his name was nowhere to be seen 2 months ago, not untill the media started linking him with arsenal. btw he is getting CL football where he is, so why exactly would he even consider lfc. no offence but lfc isn't exactly a prized catch for a player these days infact the opposite is true

04 Apr 2013 10:34:45
Are you for real un-named poster?
Why would he move to Liverpool? I think you have hit your head hard!
He may not come to us but I will tell you why!
1. Liverpool have no intrest what so ever
2. if we have an intrest he might have better options!

Rosenborg and kobenhagen play in CL almost each year! You propably never even heard of them! Michael ngoo is targeted by celtic to replace hooper, ngoo who is not good enough for Liverpools U21. get real, if Liverpool have any intrest in any celtic player, that celtic player would do anything and everything to force a move to us if not united/chelsea etc. are in for the same player!
Anything else said is by un-real Liverpool fans trolling! Get a life!

Malak

03 Apr 2013 12:44:29
Lots of chat regarding centre backs, and goalkeepers, whether Pepe stays or not etc.

The defence is an insteresting one as I think we look dodgy at every corner and set piece that we have to defend - strangely part of the problem starts with our strikers!

Who was the best defender at set pieces for Chelsea for years ( bar John Terry ) -?. Drogba,

who won some of our attacking corners at Villa, Benteke,

who used to win the ball for our defensive corners - Andy Carroll .

Now we are developing a good attacking game, slick passing and skillful forwards - but when we defend set pieces it really is only the 2 CB's and possibly Enrique who can win the ball - there's no point dragging back Suarez, Coutinho, Downing etc - as they couldn't head a bus queue.

This is not a negative post - just saying that from set pieces we do and will continue to make life difficult for ourselves so the need for a commanding CB is vital - ball players are all very well but in the Prem League, the amount of crosses means we have to find one or two big, dominating CB's to take control - would happily take Dawson from Spurs, but looks like he is back in the good books. will be interesting to see where BR goes with this.

Perhaps Andy Carroll could be our most expensive CB! - joke chaps.

Good post Tel Mac,
Do you think we need a CB who already has premiere league experience?
Or should we take one from another league?
I appreciate that there are plenty of good CB's out there.

Cheers
Phooey

Dawson wouldn't leave spurs!

03 Apr 2013 12:29:02
Hi Eds,
What do you think are the chances of Stevie passing the Captains armband to Suarez in a bid to make him stay? Gerrard himself inherited the armband from Hyypia. Time to pass the baton?
Jacksr {Ed002's Note - About zero.}

03 Apr 2013 13:39:56
Suarez is class player but his reputation not only in england but in world football is very bad, his always in media for wrong reasons and that will cause a lot of problems to our club if he is our captain.

03 Apr 2013 13:52:30
Nope I want Gerrard should be the captain untill he retires, if he has to pass the captainship then Lucas for me, I don't want Suarez to be our captain for obvious reasons!

Cause it works so well when Arsenal do it every season.

No I don't think Suarez is a captain. How often do you see Gerrard sulk or lose the head with the referee. Suarez can be a great leader but he has a bit of maturing to do before he gets the armband off Stevie.
derryred

Gerrard sulked and lost his head just last week dude.

Gerrard- carried the club for 15yrs

Suarez - 1 good season, 1 long ban, embarrassed the club and cost a lot of people their jobs.

Tough choice. I wouldn't throw Gerrard under a bus just yet.
If Luis wants to go we'll get a good fee.

03 Apr 2013 11:50:35
Since being linked with Stefan De Vrij I've been looking up on the CB. First impressions he's young and he puts himself in there and he looks like he may be good in a few years but Liverpool need a CB to come and command our weakest position on the pitch. We need a player with a bit more 'balls' to really dominate the penalty area. Carra is hanging his boots up and Skirts is out the door so IMO we need a beast of a player like Dede. He's 24, well over 6 foot and built like a fridge. One of the best young CB in the world and can play a bit like Brazillians do.
That's just my opinion anyway but either way our back 4 needs sorting out because it's shocking at times.
DBol

Agreed. De Virj looks a good prospect but not what we need right now. Dede for me as everything we need to partner Agger {Ed002's Note - I really don't see Dede moving to Liverpool at all.}

It's interesting we keep seeing the same names mentioned on here all the time for CB. Whilst there have been some bad individual mistakes this season ( Reina, Carra Skertle to name a few ) I think it's slightly more complicated than that. Skertle was player of the season last year? We look very good going forward but all to often when an attack breaks down we quickly come under pressure and look very exposed. This suggests that the transition from an attacking set up to deffence is not as quick/smooth as it should be. UTD seemed very happy to deffend against us and counter quickly as soon as we lost the ball for instance.
The team is still getting use to playing this system and with each other, and I think the lack of experince and organisers in the squad ( which senior players and the manager have mentioned ) would help here.
I'm expecting changes, but I have a feeling it is likely to be slightly more experienced players this window.

Ah that's disappointing. Why is that ed? Lack of interest? {Ed002's Note - The Liverpool interest predates Rodgers and goes back to last summer and the players Caniggia was looking at. Recently AC Milan, Barcelona, Juventus, Anzhi, Chelsea and Bayern Munich have been keeping a watching brief on the player in the months leading up to the end of the Brazilian season. A bid was made by Corinthians in December but I understand it was not a destination the player would consider and another by AC Milan in January - but they were told firmly that he was not for sale in January. Benfica and Anzhi have both spoken with Vasco since January to see if a deal could be struck in the summer and it seems that is very likely it will but with neither club. The long-term interest of Manchester United may still be seen once more, but their focus is now very much elsewhere. Both Chelsea and AC Milan have made recent offers for the player but neither matched Vasco's valuation. Milan will again return with an offer but are aware that they may not be able to tempt Vasco to them unless they can raise extra cash as opposed to any other type of deal. Chelsea may make a higher cash bid.}

Sorry, don't worry ed. I figure it's because of strong interest from other clubs.

03 Apr 2013 07:26:59
Question for Ed01 or Ed52, if they're around.

I wanted your opinion and other users on youth players you'd like to see/think will break through next season and your feelings on Sterling, Suso and Wisdoms performance thus far.

From a personal perspective, I've been greatly impressed with Sterling. I don't get opportunities to watch lots of youth team football, so although I knew the hype I didn't have much evidence to support it. I can see why at youth level, Sterling would rip defences in half. His sheer pace and quick feet would do that alone, but his intelligent movement for one so young is very impressive. Translating this to first team football is no easy task, but before he burnt out (most likely reason) and contract situation occurred, it's clear to see that he's got an exciting future ahead of him. Probably not world class as many hoped initially, but certainly able to play at the top level. I hope he keeps his head and finds some confidence to really attack opponents once more next season, as this seems to have stopped somewhat. I feel given this break he's had and coming back into a team with Suarez, Coutinho, Gerrard etc all playing so well, he'll get space and freedom to express himself and attack opponents once more.

Suso is the player that most feared would lose out to Coutinho, but to me they're both completely players. Suso does have similar control and skill to beat a man, but his range of passing and tempo strikes me as someone who could benefit from playing a little deeper and controlling the tempo of the game. For him to succeed in our team, he needs regular football, plus more time to adapt and develop his game. A loan, perhaps for 6 months to say Wigan or Watford (if they came up) would be a really smart move for me. He'd get all the benefits of more regular first team football, with the challenge of playing in the EPL. I've got high hopes for him, but imagine its longer term gain e.g 2-3 years where we'll see the benefit.

I'm running out of energy at this stage but quickly with Wisdom. All I say is he's a tank. He reminds me of a young and slightly more intelligent Micah Richards and he's for a bright future at centre half. Him and Kelly, will both prove excellent in the future and in my opinion eclipse Smalling and Jones in the national team.

Of the players I hope to see in the setup next year the clear stand outs are McLaughlin, Texeira and Ibe. I also hope
Robinson comes back stronger and more determined and Yesil gets back to fitness, as he's potentially the most natural finisher in our side at any level.

Papa G {Ed001's Note - for me McLaughlin and Texeira are the standouts that should be pushing on next season. Both have plentiful ability and should be capable of having the quality, they just need to learn the physicality by actually facing it.
As for the 3 you asked about, Sterling has done little to prove himself yet, but I personally would not judge him for at least 3 more years anyway. He has pace, his positioning is decent, but he was clearly suffering from a long run of games. The other issue he has on the left is Enrique, he is constantly taking up the space Sterling wants to move into and then standing still waiting for a pass, blocking any forward option for Sterling and forcing him inside. Enrique needs to move on for me, not just for Sterling's sake, but for any left winger to flourish. Though playing Coutinho there means that isn't an issue, as he is always looking to drift central anyway, it is just for our youth widemen Enrique will need to adapt or leave.
Suso is the one I am most impressed with, personally, not just his ability, but his willingness to get stuck in and refuse to be bullied by players twice his size. I do agree he needs more first team football and it is the main bugbear that I have with Brendan Rodgers, that Suso is not getting more football. We have 3 subs a game and he rarely uses them all, I wish he would just give the lad five or ten minutes at the end of each match. I really have high hopes of this lad, but he needs to play or his progress will be stifled.
Wisdom is facing that big problem of the English game, his height. There is an obsession in England that you have to be big, strong and tall to play at the back. Well, in a lot of teams you need all 3 just to be considered in youth football. He is certainly not natural as a wing back, though he does have the pace and power, he is clearly not comfortable charging forward. For me, he is an excellent full back, old school full back who can defend and support an attack. It is just a shame no one seems to utilise those anymore. I fear his future might not be with us, purely because his height will lead him to playing full back and he doesn't have the attacking prowess in that position.}

Good post this, and good reply too.
Suso I am not still not totally sure of, unlike Ed001, due to a lack of pace to get away from his man. Say, like a Modric is able to.
The lack of height thing is a fair point with Wisdom. Personally though, as the Op says, if Liverpool had Micah Richards and Andre Wisdom at CB, I would be made up. I hope Liverpool keep hold of this lad. Think he could play a holding midfielder role as well, like a young Tommy Smith?
The Juicer

Ed001 I fully agree Rogers showed so much faith in sterling and suso and even shelvey in the first half of the season but in matches like Wigan Swansea where we where cruising perfect chance to bring the young guns on and give experience with out the pressure of the result lying on their head
Cheers

Ed 01, I like Rodgers and am always on here defending him, but we have both shared our mutual frustration at his use of substitutions with particular respect to bringing on the youngsters when the game is safe. I do feel like he had the opportunity to give Suso a go in the number 10 role just ahead of Gerrard and Lucas when Shelvey and Allen were struggling for form earlier in the season. I just hope Wigan stay up because I think Martinez is the type of manager who might bring in Suso on a season long loan and play him regularly which would really benefit us and the player - that also might give Teixeira more of an opportunity to get into the matchday squad.
DT

Ed001 personally don't agree with your opinion on Wisdom.
Reckon the lad is of decent height around 6' 1" I reckon but what I have seen in him is he has a pretty good jump and that is always handy.
And a pairing with Kelly in the future will always help as there is no need for both CB's to be 6' 5".

03 Apr 2013 10:54:02
Watched Bayern last night against Juve. If Suarez goes there (and I think he will) it will be a great move for him because they are a great footballing side.

It wouldn't be a 'great move' for us though would it.

We play great football and he seems to be doing alright where he is. A few quality players in the summer and we should be top 4 material. When I say quality I mean REAL QUALITY like coutinho suarez.

Notice how every one of our top strikers that left us in the last 10 years has failed to live up to their potential. Fowler (I know he was forced out but he never reached the heights he did with us), Owen and Torres. Hopefully Suarez stays.
derryred

03 Apr 2013 10:42:27
Just realised that Newcastles midfield of Tiote, Cabaye and Sissoko cost a total of £6.7m! isn't that amazing.

They are also fighting for their lives at the bottom of the table. Do you still find it amazing?

Amazing deal of the season has to go to Michu.

That's what tere 15 and 3 points of the drop!
Paul the red

AND £150 mil is why where we are in the league. awful business by Liverpool recently.
RedPower

Still rather have Tiote, Cabaye and Sissoko in place of Henderson, Downing and Allen (who by the way cost a total of over £50m)

Coutinho has to be a shout for buy of the season I think he can be great

Cabeye is a great player. Sisokko is decent but not top quality and Tiote is poor.

03 apr 2013 10:32:39
heyyyyyy edz
chances of
eriksen
alonso
sow?
thanks mate {ed052's note - low, low to zilch. very low to zilch}

So there's still a chance

03 Apr 2013 10:30:10
brendan rogers is doing a very good job. he said it would take him 3 windows to get a proper squad together. the summer will be the 3rd. he's got a good squad as is. couple a more additions and we will be very strong. man can't do it over night and I like what he's doing. people will say we are 6th r 7th, but in rafas era there wasnt 6 teams vying 4 4 spots as is now.
5 gold stars

Just how is he doing a very good job? We are not doing great in the league, average at best, we got knocked out of 3 cup competitions - one by OLDHAM and he has made bad buys in the transfer market wasting lots of money.

He's going to be here for the foreseeable future so we might as well get behind him.

It's pretty clear cut a "fan" is an person if he doesn't see the progress Rodgers has made with what was a very poor situation he inherited. Hoping it can come together just enough next year for Rodgers to not be under pressure, and he's around for a very long time.

In the summer he got it wrong but look at JANUARY! We had the best window in the whole league with Coutinho and Sturridge. Coutinho has had the same impact Suarez had when he arived in Jan 2011 and Sturridge has scored something like 6 goals in 8 or 9 games. Furthermore by the looks of the summer targets BR has learned from his mistakes.

03 Apr 2013 15:10:05
sturridge tapped in 4 out of 5 goals.

Does not matter if he tapped them in or not you got to be in there to score them. A goals a goal no matter how you score it

That's exactly why we bought him.

03 Apr 2013 09:53:04
I know its not Liverpool related (or I guess it could be) but with Villa and QPR looking like there going to go down. Where do you think Benteke and Remy will next season?

03 Apr 2013 10:07:23
remy is still a quality player. I rate him. better than borini. good pace. and fisnishng pretty good.
I still have an opne challenge with one the Ed regarding borini and Remy.
Remy can be excellent adition on the right side.

Remy is a good player, not a great player and he has come to the Premiership for one thing only – MONEY! He is on reportedly £100k a week at QPR, do you think LFC would pay him that, I think not.

03 Apr 2013 11:25:44
No. But he would jump to join us with a pay cut rather than playing in Championship.
80k for caroll. sell him and buy remy. cheaper. and will score more goals than him anyday

Remy is a mercenary, rather not have that unsettling influence in the squad.

SMc {Ed002's Note - Do you have antything to substantiate your ignorant statement - how well do you know him?}

Well he chose to go to QPR, a club that looked (and still look) destined for relegation after all but signing on the dotted line for Newcastle. Newcastle are a bigger, better club than QPR and have a strong French contingent yet he joins a club who pay Christopher Samba 100k a week. Hmmm I wonder why? It's not exactly top secret information is it?

Oh yes and he has a clause in his contract allowing him to leave if they are relegated - sounds like a player we should definitely pursue, I can tell he would really play for the shirt.

SMc

03 Apr 2013 09:23:14
Reina next vice captin!

I would like either Agger or Suarez to become next vice captain

Agger

If we stand any chance of keeping suarez we should give him the armband after stevie G. Suarez has been our stand out player and has won many a game single handedly and has the passion and aggression for the game that a captain needs :D

ReDeXe {Ed002's Note - This is getting really embarrassing. Maybe Skrtel and Agger could go around to his house at night, tuck him in and read Slovakian bed time stories?}

I can think of very few things more terrifying than Skrtel reading me a bed time story in Solvakian :P

Seriously though, since when has making a player captain done anything to keep them? Look at Arsenal

What is embarrassing ed?

Lucas for me

Phooey.

Don't think forwards, as a general rule, make good captains due the area they occupy on the pitch. Agger is the stand out choice for vice-captain. Suarez shouts are a little embarrassing.

SMc

03 Apr 2013 09:25:26
Ed's, which strikers do u think could replace Luis suarez if he leaves? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know, but no doubt others will share their views.}

03 Apr 2013 09:53:26
None can right now. He is in his form of his life.
and he isn't the striker for us. he is a multi player.
creates and score. in between assist also.
can you name any who does all these?

Ronaldo

Messi

Messi, Aguerro, Rooney?

I think the closest to Suarez is Tevez - he has that tenacious streak - but I'd have Luis over Carlos any day.

If he were to leave try and get enough from him and Borini to cover 3 quality attackers such as:
Eriksen
Ben arfa
Damiao
Higuian etc

Id imagine you would get 45-65m for Suarez and 6-10 for Borini

03 Apr 2013 15:11:10
6 to 10 for borini. for what?
having seen anfiield and Liverpool through out the year. ?

03 Apr 2013 09:06:52
Suarez is the type of player that needs all the play to go through him to score the goal. As good as he is the team needs to play for him. If he were to move I think he would regret it. He's not a Falcao or rvp player that the ball drops to on the 90th min and he scores he prods and pokes all game until he scores. let's say for instance he is in the Real madrid team there are so many other players that can and will score that he presence wouldn't be that great. He needs to be the main man of the team!

ynwa

03 Apr 2013 09:50:09
you got it wrong.
he is the type of player. who works hard on the pitch. doesn't wait for that killer ball like higuain or benzema. instead. creates or score goals from absolute nothing.
he just need support. probably a skill full dribbler. 1-2 kinda style. like countinho.
then he is deadly. will create atleast 5 chances in any game no matter how many he burries.

You watch, if he leaves he won't score half as many! I agree mate.

Plus suarez is d sort to draw defenders on to him and isa constant nighmare. in my view one of the best ever players I've ever seen, it should not be the case that we sell players at their peak age, esp when they /he are prem top player and scorer, mans a genius
5 gold stars

The post is trying to indicate that he needs lots of the ball, if he was at a better team he wouldn't get so much of the ball. And trust me he needs a lot of it to score as many goals.

one100

Any team in world football would be better with Luis Suarez in it. The post is tosh. He's staying at Liverpool anyway.
DBol

03 Apr 2013 11:28:14
You watch, if he leaves he won't score half as many! I agree mate.

What does this means dude.
Either he doesn't have the ability to score elsewhere.
or he is sorrounded or playing with a bunch of useless in a usless league againts some uselsess teams and scoring goals.

get a grip mate.

the goal he score agianst norwich, qpr and most against New castle is pure genius.

03 Apr 2013 11:29:13
Most of the goals he scored are his own creation. some are from absloute nothing.
can you imagine him with villa, messi suarez.
that would score atleast 100 goals a season.

We get it. He's good. No need to argue.

03 Apr 2013 08:53:56
Okay! There has been lot of debate on how we have fared under BR. let's put out a list of matches where we were dominated and piss poor. Rest will be assumed that we were the better team by and large.

Here's my list:-

1) Arsenal (H)
2) Stoke (A)
3) Tottenham (A) - First Half
4) Aston Villa (H)
5) Man U ( A) - First Half
6) Southampton (A)
7) West Ham (A) - First Half

I guess covered most of them.

Feel free to add!

Indian with Red Heart

Man city home and away

What do you mean Man City home and away? No way did they out play us.

Man city didn't dominate us home or away.

West Brom (A).
First match of the season, were poor, then gave up the ghost after the red card.
The Juicer

03 Apr 2013 11:44:31
we are in a transitional season imo players are getting used to a new system lots of players left, new players in. I think we can look forward to next season for more consitency. Tommy Irish Red

You've got it dead on mate, though I'd add West Brom at home (not away, can't expect much of his first game) which was a deceptive one - yes we had all the possession and it's candidate for the least deserving win in EPL history, but both full-backs played particularly poorly and we didn't have enough chances.

Apart from that and those mentioned we deserved wins in all the rest of them - including 6 from 6 against City.

For all the talk of signings, the only addition we need next year is consistency. (But let's not go mad when we get beat by Stoke again, that's going to happen every season now and we should accept it as 3 points sacrificed for our otherwise winning style)

If Suarez goes then, even if we get 60mil, there is no guarantee we can attract players of his ilk. The likes of Cavani, Neymar, etc etc not only command huge fees and wages but also CL football, something we cannot offer. If I was the manager i'd look at the young, expensive players who we might be able to convince with offers of first team football and a club moving forward, built around players like them.

For me I'd go for Bernard and Isco - both would be expensive but both have huge potential and are young enough to get better and better. I don't know if we could sign those players but they are the sort of signings I would look to as opposed to the out and out best players who we would struggle to attract.

SMc

03 Apr 2013 03:41:01
Man! I hope we try to get Luis Gustavo of Bayern if he available for sale.

CDM, LB and LCB, young and quality.

Don't need to trash out 30mil on 3 players. Instead put 12-15 on this one guy. Then go all out on Eriksen and One quality Centerback and possibly one wide player depending on sales.

AJ

Those players won't be coming aj

Exactly what I have been saying we need:

Steele = GK
De Vrij = CB
Dann = CB
Gustavo = CB, LB & CDM
Eriksen = CAM
Mertens = RW/LW

To me that would be a very good summer as we would have a better back up GK as Jones is poor, De Vrij is 21yrs old, club Captain, a leader and a regular dutch international, Dann would give us good cover and experience, Gustavo would finally give us that much needed cover for Lucas and also various other positions if needed, Eriksen & Mertens would give us that extra dimension going forward providing goals and assists and most importantly all the players I hope to sign would fit into our style of football.

Allen, Suso & Borini as regulars still to call on yet to mention the youngsters that will be given a chance next season i'd be extremely happy with that summer.

Scott Dann?! Oh dear.

02 Apr 2013 23:52:49
If our golden boy luis was watching the game earlier I think it's safe to say bayern are they side you would have to choose to go to if you were leaving Liverpool juve are miles behind them judging on the opening leg

Don't kill me if have faith he will stay

Lfc for life

Exact that logic doesn't work - the whole point of Luis going would be that the Bayern side he'll be joining will have a reasonably different look to it

03 Apr 2013 11:00:38
Speaking of Bayern, how the hell can they spend £200 million this summer? They are destroying all in their path.

How does a team that good find somewhere to spend that kind of money and improve? {Ed002's Note - Bayern has a number of players who are out of contract, aging or not in the plans of the new manager. They, like a number of other clubs, are planning on refreshing the squad over the coming season and have set aside a considerable amount of money to do this. They will obviously not get all of the players they are looking to, but they do intend to take what they see as a significant step toward the future.}

Ed002 is that 200million plus sales or 200million total because if it is plus sales with a couple of decent players leaving they will easily have a extra 50 million plus on top of the 200million

Cheers

Dezy De kid {Ed002's Note - Not the amount put aside is €272M to spend in total - they won't spend it all.}

Cheers ed

And I hope they don't spend it all but with that information suarez price should be majorly inflated teams done it to us in the recent past i. e Carroll Henderson downing the list goes on. {Ed002's Note -That is not how business works, sorry.}

03 Apr 2013 15:38:46
Oh, cheers Ed!

let's hope they don't end up dismantling a cracking squad and building another not quite so good!