Liverpool Banter Archive February 03 2016

 

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03 Feb 2016 23:47:32
See Teixeira may be off to China for £35m. Substantially lower than what we were asked to stump up (or so I believe)

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03 Feb 2016 23:58:51
This just wouldn't fit with everything that was said regarding raising his profile in order to get selected for the national team.


04 Feb 2016 00:16:45
I guess he'd be on a fair chunk of money if he went there. And we didn't offer 35 million pounds.


03 Feb 2016 23:19:18
theres a lot of banter about klopps poor Liverpool team. We can all see he isn't doing too good, but I don't think he deserves half the criticism he's getting.

He was bought in when we had reached a 20 year low with a manager (Rodgers) who we all agreed was the worst Liverpool manager we've seen in most of our lifetimes. Top it off with the worst squad I can remember.

The worst keeper in 30+ years, least effective strike force I've ever seen at our club. And although we've changed the manager, the players remain.
So I for one am not judging or expecting anything special from klopp this season.

It's easy pointing out hiddink has done well with Chelsea, but he took over the league champions with a world class squad. Hats off to klopp for accepting this challenge, when in fact he could of taken his pick from the best teams in the world. once he's assembled his squad, I will expect results then and only then.

YNWA.

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03 Feb 2016 23:53:50
You witnessed Hodgson's reign didn't you?


03 Feb 2016 23:59:47
Hodgson. The only Liverpool manager to truely have no money yo spend. Digging in the bargain basement for Konchesky.


04 Feb 2016 00:18:15
Least productive strike force? 3 don't probably have 50 appearances between them, a lot of injuries too. When for its hardly the worst strike force.


04 Feb 2016 02:10:39
For me, Klopp needs to try do something different. It's pretty clear the combination of Firmino-Lallana-Henderson-Milner-Can-Lucas doesn't really seem very effective and a tweak (or two or three) is needed. Maybe Ibe up front, Firmino playing off him? Or a front duo of Benteke and Firmino? Or drop the press, go with a more traditional two lines of 4 and counterattack instead? I really don't know what the answer is, but what we've been doing has not really been working so hopefully he tries something a bit different at the weekend.


03 Feb 2016 23:05:35
First time poster looooong time reader.

I love this club.

At this moment I just want the club to finish as high as possible in the league and win a trophy I am trophy starved.

The pieces will definitely be picked up next season. Been saying this for years now but Somehow it just feels different why is that?

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03 Feb 2016 23:28:37
I would be ecstatic if we got 5th spot. There is no chance for top 4. A trophy would be great and some positive football, good results. Something to give us a little hope for next season.


03 Feb 2016 22:30:48
ED02, if you're around to answer this. I've read a good few of your replies today which almost all question Klopp and his flexibility, to the point where it sounds like he's not very good at all unless etc.

My question is how you rate some other coaches/ managers, who in my view stuck to a style stayed with it and had sucess. Mourinho, Guardiola, Pelligrini, Mancini, Ferguson and Wenger. All of these guys have shared almost everything worth winning for some time. All have a style which they stuck with and took it with them wherever they went. Just like Klopp, a preferred why they want their teams to play.

Why is it Klopp is a failure if inflexible? I do appreciate where you're coming from and understand using Benteke and changing style to suit. But haven't mostly all of our decent results under Klopp come while playing his style of football?

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - You tell me? If a coach is not flexible and able to adapt to changing circumstances, and as a result the club is not doing terribly well - is that good or bad?}

03 Feb 2016 23:18:19
Have those other managers had sucess by staying with their preferred system? All had time and money to build a squad for that purpose, Klopp has yet to do this at Liverpool. Should he not be judged once he has?

But yes, at that point if results are poor, his team including his own players are not performing to his system, then if he didn't show alternative tactics that would be bad. If after a couple of seasons, a few transfer windows pass we are still performing as poor as we have in some games and no sign of improvement or change in approach I would fully agree. I'm not going to judge this guy, who has proven he can win trophies without managing the richest club in the league until then.

You really know your stuff 002, I don't doubt that and there is as much chance you could be right,

Thanks again for your time.


{Ed002's Note - I truly, truly am of the opinion that flexibility and the ability to adapt and change are right at the top of the list for success criteria.}

03 Feb 2016 23:35:24
Well actually a good leader should always look to adapt to the situation at hand and leave their arrogance behind them, i agree with ed002 on that one.

Guardiola has been heavily criticised for trying to implement his Barcelona style at bayern who have considerably different players and culture.

Mourinho's inabliity to adapt has now cost him his job on 4 occassions.

Mancini is exactly the same. Stubborn and arrogant, but thankfully does not have the same charisma as jose so we don't have to put up with his charade due to media hype like jose.

Wenger hasn't won a league title or had any notable success in well over a decade due to his failure and stubborness to adapt to the situation at hand.

Pellegrini and ferguson on the other hand had a very laissez-faire approach to management and don't really commit to a specific style of football, that in itself is effective adaptation to the squad they had at hand.

Its also worth noting that wenger and ferguson were effectively one club men and haven't had to adapt to a new country as such for a long long time.

Theres truth in all those examples you listed about ed002's argument.

However i don't agree with ed002 that klopp has failed to adapt and implement a style, i don't believe that the style is the problem, like ed001 said i genuinly believe he is suffering at the hands of players such as mignolet and moreno. Style isn't the issue.


04 Feb 2016 03:11:10
Spot on, Anonymous. I would agree with Ed if Klopp had had a decent period of time to work and put his stamp on the team like he did in BVB fort the first three years or Jose did the first two years everywhere he went an if things weren't going well, then he should be called out for it. He's been here for four months with no preseason, no input on the team assemblage, stack of injuries to key players and adapting to a new league, all of which BR nor the other managers had to deal with yet he's being judged like them. How is that a fair comparison on him? How's that a fair assessment of him with all the things he's dealing with? This false equivalence and false comparisons are becoming baffling and dare I say, dishonest and disingenuous. I agree he will need to tweak his methods and his approach and that is no news to anyone who knows the game of football. But for people to start using false arguments and false comparisons to tear him down is wrong and needs to stop or we will be weakening a manager who came to us because he thinks he can help us while he could have gone to Bayern or somewhere better other than here.


03 Feb 2016 22:05:58
It is a strange situation. Klopp hasn't actually been successful, but people have given him a sort of messianic status, as though all will come good because he is in charge. only time will tell. He certainly has the pedigree, but he is in a whole new world right now.

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03 Feb 2016 23:24:31
When you say hasn't actually been successful, what do you mean?

He hasn't won league titles or cups? He hasn't taken a team to record breaking points totals or winning streaks?

Or are you saying he hasn't won anything in three months of taking charge part way through a season, so that means he's unsuccessful?

Which is it?


03 Feb 2016 23:30:31
Come on. With the injuries we have had i am sure pretty much any manager would be struggling. 3 out of 4 strikers injured and the 4th in shocking form. Our most creative player out injured. Constant injuries to our main CB's. He is working with one hand tied behind his back.


04 Feb 2016 00:24:16
Not to mention Henderson had been out for months, all our centre halves been out been out for good periods, in a way these injuries might be a blessing in disguise as most of the squad have been getting chances to prove themselves, so when summer comes klopp should be able to see who to keep and get rid of.


04 Feb 2016 00:25:42
It's neither Max and you're being obtuse. Success is the accomplishment of a goal. The goal of improving the teams performance had yet to be realised.


04 Feb 2016 03:15:22
Have we actually fielded our full strength first team for any games at all this season? I would like to see a fully fit Firminio, Coutinho and Sturridge up top for a start.


04 Feb 2016 03:19:07
Nobody is saying he has been successful so people should stop talking crap. He has improved us already but he himself will tell you that he isn't satisfied and neither should anyone else at the club. He has been handed a crap burger by BR and is making do with it and nobody should dare say we would have had the few great results, topped the EL group and made the CC final with the morose performance s under BR before he was sacked because that is a white lie. We have been poor in games and very good in games and that is normal in a roller coaster season. Many fans are just happy he's here and some of our players are improving while others are not and come this summer, he will have his chance to fully assess the players. Oh n btw if he beat City and win the CC, he would be a success and his detractors will have to get over it.


03 Feb 2016 21:46:16
Ed's 002. I appreciate your subjective but very probable informed view on Kloppo. He hasn't materialized into the messiah that the media/ fan frenzy and hysteria when he got appointed unfairly led us to believe. But surely you appreciate that his only pure forward player is massively innefectual in the system Klopp favours. Also we have been without Sturbridge, Ings and Origi for the majority of the season. We would have been significantly higher up the table had we had healthy forwards. We are a very weak and vunerable team emotionally at the moment and I would say that goes for the fans aswell. Every bad performance/ result feeds into our insecurities and when esteemed football people like yourself make disparaging remarks about Klopps failings it makes some of us think he was an expensive mistake. I for one resolutely believe that when Kloppo goes shopping in the summer and gets rid of at least half that squad we will be a proper force and we will see the Juergen Klopp affect. People comparing Poch and Klopp? It's a no contest in my opinion Kloppo wins hands down and he has silverware to prove it. So Eds 002 keep the objectivity coming it's much appreciated but I think I can say on behalf of all the fans on the site I hope your eating humungous slices of humble pie next season.

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{Ed002's Note - I appreciate the message but would say that I am not giving unsubstantiated conjecture. It is my view and Klipperty is working really hard to provide demonstrateable evidence that I am correct. I have an soft spot for Liverpool and many buddies who are keen on them - but like with every other side, I will call it as I see it. But hey, great reasoned post. Thanks.}

03 Feb 2016 23:15:47
I appreciate your feedback Eds 002. Kloppo i grant you is making mistakes but I feel most of them are errors in judgement as he is getting to know what the premiership is about. The mistakes are not born out of arrogance like the previous incumbent. Thank you for your objectivity as it's an anti-dote to the pro Kloppo jingoism were all guilty of as Liverpool fans. The man is just so friggin adorable we want him to succeed and any anti Kloppo remarks are seen as a call to arms.


{Ed002's Note - I hope it works out - he is a god coach.}

04 Feb 2016 03:24:25
Comparing Klopp to Poch is the living epitome of false comparison. What has Poch achieved? Spurs haven't won a thing yet while Klopp has a trophy cabinet already. When Poch has won trophies and defied all odds to reach a CL final, he can be compared to Klopp. I'm happy with him the way he is and don't care if he makes mistakes because at least he's trying to win games instead of making excuses all the time we lose and I hope he learns from his mistakes which I think he's smart enuff to do.


03 Feb 2016 21:37:30
The 8 games in the PL this season under Rodgers we got 12 points. The last 8 games in the PL under Klopp we got 10 points. Please explain how we have improved under him.

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03 Feb 2016 22:04:21
This is a joke right? You clearly have little understanding of the job in hand and the time that it will take for the players to get their fitness levels up to then be able to play working Klopp's system.


03 Feb 2016 22:07:17
Cup final. Youth given a chance. Improvement from players who were not performing. Progression in Europe.

This guy has come in during a season where we were really really poor, looking like getting worse. Players wanting to leave and a manager who was just embarrasing us in every interview. These are not his players, this is not his squad, yet he has got them to a cup final. He has had a huge amount of important injuries to deal with and due to sucess a massive fixture list.

It's just shocking to think anyone is comparing Klopp to Rodgers. Just realise we are miles away from where you think LFC is. It stopped being the 70s-80s over 30 years ago. We've fallen far behind thanks to poor ownership (Moores) and new naive ownership. But we have a top top manager, lucky to have this caliber.

Our team may not have improved result wise, but the biggest decline is the support of some of our so called fans. What a shame.


03 Feb 2016 22:10:05
Well let's sack him then shall we?
8 games in 8 weeks.
8 games in 3.5 to 4 weeks.

Rodgers had three years and we didn't look like we are going anywhere.
Come back when Klopp has had three years. If we not improving then I'll be looking for answers. Not 8 games.
Plastic red since 64.


03 Feb 2016 22:15:18
There is no need for pessimism. We have a new manager who has new methods and it takes time to implement these. Believe it or not but having a preseason to work with a team makes a huge difference. Also these players aren't players Klopp has signed. Yes he could've spent stupid amounts in January on people who may not even make the cut, but it's better to rebuild in the summer. Also we've had a lot of injuries and under Rodgers we did get lucky on more than one occasion. For example, against Stoke on the first game of the season we did not deserve anything. Coutinho showed his magic and we got lucky. Give it time. There is no instant remedy. I do recall in 04/ 05 people calling for Rafas head at one time. We weren't doing well in the league, but look what he did for us with time.


03 Feb 2016 22:02:41
In terms of results, we haven't significantly improved.

I think you have to look outside of just the results to see other positives (many have been listed on this page recently, UTSF) . Klopp is an investment and I trust him to sort us out and have us back challenging for the top 4 by this time next year.


03 Feb 2016 22:05:01
To put it another way : results are the fruits of your labour. It's not a case of get a new manager and instantly improve results (unless your Chelsea 😀) . The changes Klopp will implement are not going to bare fruit immediately. He's also learning about the premier league.
This is a huge club with huge problems. It's like trying to turn a tanker round, it will be a wide turning circle before we are going back in the right direction. I believe the process has begun but I am prepared to be patient for the results.


{Ed002's Note - So you think he took the job under false pretenses?}

03 Feb 2016 22:11:17
Okay, I am not even going to mention about the manager/ managers as I already posted my thoughts about this before.
What I cannot understand, is this: Regardless of the management, you cannot 'write off' our league season and make excuses if we don't qualify for the champions league. Because it would be a failure of a season.
Also, if we fail to win a trophy and finish outside of top 4, this would be an absolute failure of a season.

If we win at least one cup and have a strong finish to the season. Even then, this will be below par.

It will be below par because at the start of the season our target was champions league qualification, and hopefully silverware.

I hope we win at Wembley this month, as the last time was when we had king Kenny as our manager. Silverware is fantastic for our team. And as we are still in two more cups after the league cup it should give us motivation to win even more trophies.


03 Feb 2016 22:26:07
We haven't improved. Infact we've stayed exactly the same because we've still got the worst squad we've ever had without even attempting to change anything in the window just gone 👍🏼.


03 Feb 2016 22:26:59
Another false equivalence that makes no sense except of course, one is trying to say that BR should not have been fired. Klopp is our manager and had done more in four months than BR did in three years with no input on the squad he had while BR had all the input for the pathetic results we know of and for which he was shown the door. I would ask you to judge him after three years but I won't hold my breathe on that. We are in the CC final, something BR could never do. If he wins a trophy this season with a squad he had no input in, I'm sure you'll come back with some pathetic stats to down play his achievement, just like BR's allies in the media are doing now.


03 Feb 2016 22:32:20
No.

In this moment, that is all.


03 Feb 2016 22:36:22
Could not agree more. You will get slated though.


03 Feb 2016 22:53:25
Don't really understand the "false pretences" question tbh.


03 Feb 2016 23:17:40
Max
How can you have improvement from players when PL results are worse?


03 Feb 2016 23:38:01
And on the balance of play, we should have had any of those 12 points under rodgers, but should have had many, many more than 10 under klopp in the past 8 games. Its not all in the stats, stop being so ignorant of the context.


03 Feb 2016 23:50:38
This thread is ridiculous.


{Ed002's Note - It's a blast - I love this stuff.}

04 Feb 2016 01:48:20
i am sure you can say the same thing about pochettino and Sherwood by quoting the timeline of matches that favour sherwood. but look at spurs now.


04 Feb 2016 02:36:07
I 100% agree with a. woolback.

Under Klopp you can at least see improvements. Rodgers had a full pre-season and a fit squad and the performances looked dire. 2 of the games we won (I think Bournemouth and Norwich) were won by poor decisions from linesmans and referees. Flukey wins. We've also had hurrendous injury lists to boot. I don't think he's had the greatest results tbf but I don't think the two stats are remotely comparable.

Redsince64 is your tongue permanently wedged up Rodgers ring piece or something? I swear nearly everything I read from you is a 'see I told you Rodgers is better' style post.

Rodgers is gone thank god. Why not move on.


04 Feb 2016 03:13:09
I see no reason to drag Rodgers (and his expensive mistakes and waste of time) into what is happening now with Liverpool. But I understand that you are a Rodgers fan; you have made that abundantly clear, Red since 64.


03 Feb 2016 21:23:58
Mail online are stating Rodgers as saying that when Klopp took over at Liverpool he went and had a chat with him at Rodgers house, asking things regarding the club. Seems as though Rodgers wasn't such a bad guy after all.

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{Ed002's Note - Who are we going to blame for the weekend then?}

03 Feb 2016 21:42:22
Let's be honest here, Rodgers no doubt didn't want half the crap players we bought, like he said if the player you want isn't on the list you have to pick one.

Only really after the summer will we see if fsg buy the manager the quality he needs to climb the table.


03 Feb 2016 22:05:57
We won't blame anyone Ed, we will sit back and be patient 😎.


{Ed002's Note - Don't sit back - get up and scream. This is Berkeley in 1968 - you accept Vietnam or youn don't. But don't try and justify it. I am all for the fand to bleat and mon IF the put up a good rational argument. Not whining, not bitching - but have a stand point you can argue. The Liverpool supporters are getting better at this Ron and I will will try and get the discussion moving this way. Manchester United fans are syill in the damp patch. Arsenal fans are not but will be in denial. Chelsea fans sort of win because they don't care too much, Bernard (the Manchester City fan) wants the chance to talk to someone (prefer a girl but is getting more open in his viewpoint). Get out there and fight - but have something to vback it up with.}

03 Feb 2016 22:57:41
But I don't see the point in getting up and fighting. There is nothing to be gained by LFC fans apportioning blame, it's up to the coaching staff to find the reasons as they are the only ones who can change it.
Who do we blame for the financial mismanagement and poor recruitment that has led us to this set of results? The fans don't know enough about how the club is run and how decisions are reached to start protesting on social media/ forums.
I don't hold the current manager to account for our problems which stem back 25 years plus.


04 Feb 2016 00:48:02
We don't need to get up and fight. We have Facebook protest pages now ;)


04 Feb 2016 01:49:42
that's BR the sly corporate guy for you. When it comes to TC, he made it look the TC that skrew him. When it comes to Klopp, it appears he is the one who advise Klopp.


03 Feb 2016 20:41:05
hi all ed002 any chance of big money move from china for benteke in the summer.

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{Ed002's Note - Benteke will not be moving to China this summer.}

03 Feb 2016 20:45:46
do you see him staying for next season.


{Ed002's Note - Probably not. He will want to get back to being a first pick scoring goals and I suspect Klopp will not be concerned if he went.}

03 Feb 2016 21:26:16
i hope it is not another loan with us paying % of wages can't see to many clubs paying anywhere near what we paid for him.


03 Feb 2016 19:41:57
Ed002, Can you explain to me the difference between Pochettino and Klopp philosophy. The reason why I ask is because you have been critical of Klopp style of play. Yet Tottenham have been successful implementing a pressing game. I was curious what makes one style better than the other.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, of course. One has learned that at the upper end of the game you need to adapt and change your stype depending on the circumstances. The other has yet to learn that valuable lesson.}

03 Feb 2016 20:49:40
I would say Poch is a better manager because of learning with Southampton and rectifying any mistakes he made during training, tactics etc that is why tottenham are doing so well and he has had a extra year in the premier league hopefully Klopp can learn like ed said.


03 Feb 2016 21:04:17
Kloop is not a super hero he's talking over a average team with some good players. He will need to sign a couple of players .


03 Feb 2016 20:57:10
Sorry ed just to expand on this a little. I have watched the majority of our games and since end of nov time there has been a definite switch away from pressing tactics. We are now dropping off a lot more when other teams have possession. I would love if someone were able to give a detailed tactical analysis of us at the moment.


{Ed002's Note - Klopp let Gerrard in to the training sessions causing the players to get hyperactive waiting to get him to sign autographs and of course, as we all knew, results plummeted. That of course was not Klipperty's stupidity but the fault of Rodgers. Again as we all know. Now we are riding the "didn't have a pre-seaon to get them fit" excuse for the unacceptable performances - and "the players get too tired playing more than a game a week so they have to stay in bed and recover rather than train". In general terms the Liverpool fans find the results acceptable and justifiable because they cannot see that everyone is falling short. There is a certain futility in trying to explain what a chameleon looks like to a blind person.}

03 Feb 2016 20:59:30
Players make a difference also . And a reliable goalkeeper helps . Let's get coutinhio and a couple of strikers back playin, specially Sturridge, and see if we can finish the season with a bit of run . Win a cup, or 3! And get a bit of confidence to go into next season with . With a few new faces hopefully .


{Ed002's Note - You have an incredibly naive view, but heck, you are a Liverpool fan.}

03 Feb 2016 21:12:21
Better manager 😂
No disrespect to Poch but he's probably got 1 Manager of the month award whereas Klopp has major honours mate.
He's not the better manager, Klopps only been at the club half a season, give him time and he'll add more major trophies to his list, no doubt about it.


{Ed002's Note - Of course, I forgot. A few years ago Klipperty did win a few things. And don't forget his side are nailing Spurs right now. Sadly, I have to say that what Liverpool did 40 years ago may get the fans damp but it is not a guide to what is happening now. Klipperty pre-bugger, fand heraus, did well for two or three years.}

03 Feb 2016 21:22:49
ed, you almost sound like a liverpool fan. converting from the darkside?


{Ed002's Note - I am not a particular supporter of any one club - I have a preference for Chelsea but am not worried if Liverpool or Stoke are doing well.}

03 Feb 2016 21:48:06
Naive in what way?


{Ed002's Note - You are deflecting and looking for excuses - try looking at it objectively - maybe pretend you are critiquing it but not as a supporter.}

03 Feb 2016 22:06:41
What has he won? 😎.


03 Feb 2016 22:07:37
Okay Ed002, but you cannot seriously tell me Poch is a better manager than Klopp.

Trophies are everything in football for a manager. They're the be-all and end-all so tell me what major (or any) trophies Poch has won.

Klopp, even if you quite rightly pointed out a few years back, has won multiple major trophies.


{Ed002's Note - I disn't say he was - I answered the question. You need to get over this comparison syndome.}

03 Feb 2016 22:18:30
A preference for Chelsea. Jesus Christ quite possibly the most disliked horrible club of all time.


{Ed002's Note - Sure, whateer you want.}

03 Feb 2016 22:19:24
Ed002, just out of curiousity, what would you like us to say?

Yes I suppose we are making excuses for Klopp, but what would you rather have us do? Call for his head already?!

We're trying to look on the bright side of things and yes, make excuses to make us feel better. We're football fans for god sake.

Try not to get too upset with us venting, I'm afraid it'll never stop (ask Ed001) and I'm positive we're not the only ones like it.

Whilst I agree letting Gerrard train wasn't the best idea. However it's not earth shattering as you're making it out to be. It's not unheard of players of US clubs training with Prem teams over the Xmas period.

I realise that a few members represent the labotomised shitlark community, however, there's no need for the rude manner sometimes. It'll only wind everyone up.

On a lighter note, thank you to you and all other Ed's for keeping us updated through yet another transfer window, you guys do a fantastic job.


{Ed002's Note - I would like a rationale arument against what I say rather than deflection or blaming someone else. We appreciate you thanking the Eds but the reality is the others do nothing at all. It is me uou need to thank.}

03 Feb 2016 22:38:56
Poch is a very good manager but when Klopp was dominating Germany and was terrorizing the whole of Europe including the most expensive side in Europe biting the dust under with a BVB side under his tutelage, Poch was learning his trade, getting the sack at Espanyol and still doesn't have a sausage to his name. The day he's won things like Klopp has, then we can discuss. Until then, compare what is comparable instead of using false equivalences to support snide digs at your own manager.


03 Feb 2016 18:51:14
You don't seem v3ry happy with Klopp as our manager Ed02.
Do you not like the appointment of him? Or since his appointment are you not happy with what you've seen?

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed from my perspective - search for "bumpy ride".}

03 Feb 2016 22:18:59
Who would of been your preference ed. Klopp or Ancelotti or someone else if you was to see Rodgers sacked?


{Ed002's Note - Without doubt the one proposed in the summer.}

03 Feb 2016 23:02:25
May I ask for a memory jog there. I cannot remember who was mentioned in the summer?


04 Feb 2016 00:32:21
Ancellotti.


03 Feb 2016 20:22:59
Does Kante have a brother?

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03 Feb 2016 21:36:15
Immanuel.


03 Feb 2016 23:55:13
Yeah. Kanee.


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03 Feb 2016 19:44:30
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Diaby Moves To Scottish Prem, Barcelona Star To Undergo Another Trial And More

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03 Feb 2016 19:02:07
Seems Klopp went to BR'S house for a chat, might be why results and performances have not been good lately.

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03 Feb 2016 19:54:06
Thats got to be a joke Alan right? Lol.


03 Feb 2016 19:59:59
So jurgen do you like huey lewis and the news?


03 Feb 2016 20:49:13
Maybe they only got up to Page 103 of the dossier as to why the results are not going our way.


03 Feb 2016 20:55:54
I now have the image of brendan rodgers dancing round in a raincoat hacking jurgens head off with an axe cmac.


03 Feb 2016 16:19:33
Ed002, Not sure if you're around, but you seem to have a good bit of knowledge on Klopp's time in Germany. Did he often bring youth up into the first team for games? It was something I expected from him coming in, but we haven't really seen them apart from the cup games.

Do you expect him to start bringing our youth players in for the under-performing first team players for league games? Seems odd that with us performing so poorly in the past few weeks, that he hasn't given them a shout in a league game. Or maybe he's just unimpressed with our youth players?

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp and his team took a lot of local lads in the academy - the key thing was alwaus how fast they could run as the academy sides also played the same kopflose huhn style as the first team. It gave them the advantage that they could bring kids through without major integration issues. Right now he has the first team at Liverpool playing that style but, critically, he will soon realise he needs to rethink his strategy and be more flixible. It is a different league and a shifted paradigm in England and it is already biting him on that riesigen haarigen arsch of his. I expect that the "fringe" squad player like Teixeira will probably go. The purchases will shape what happens to the kids next season.}

03 Feb 2016 18:35:17
Oh Ed! You made my day.
You seem quite sceptical torwards Klopp and his tactical abilities.
I hope that he is intelligent enough to adapt and to learn from his mistakes.


{Ed002's Note - I think he will show himself to be a better coach when he shows he can adapt.}

03 Feb 2016 18:42:15
Klopp is a fine coach but it takes a long time to put your own philosophy and stamp on a club and to get the players he wants to play that way.


03 Feb 2016 19:11:24
Surely the issue has been more about defenders that struggle to clear the ball and the fact we've been without our 2 best strikers all season than the style of play?


03 Feb 2016 20:07:49
He'll do fine once he works out it's not too sensible spreading butter with a fork ;)


03 Feb 2016 18:43:38
Cheers Ed

But the image oh the "haariger Arsch" will never leave my mind. :-)


03 Feb 2016 18:50:54
Thanks Ed002 enlightening as always. I'd hope he can adjust his style and work some of our youth in. Texeira has to go, he's 23 and he's never really made an impact on our first team. He should go for the sake of his career.


03 Feb 2016 20:25:50
In what way would his tactics have to change in this league ed002 in your opinion.


{Ed002's Note - Flexibility - adapt to circumstances. But so far he hasn't.}

03 Feb 2016 20:04:05
Hahahah ed02, I was sure koflose huhn is somehow connected to the mighty Huhns whom I adore, but just ran it through google translate and died laughing! Cheers!


03 Feb 2016 20:43:05
lewandowski scored 8 in 33 games first season benteke has 7 already maybe he'll surprise us but doubt the club would be willing to put up the cash for a player who'd score 30+ goals in their first season looking around there doesn't seem to be any fetching less than £50. mil.


{Ed002's Note - Benteke is a good example - the style the team are playing with and failing with under Klopp does not suit Benteke. Will Klopp be smart enough to adapt and let the team play to the strengths of Benteke when it is not going well for the side? That is my point - that is a trait that great coaches have. Right now that is missing from Klipeprty's utility belt.}

03 Feb 2016 21:36:19
I don't think benteke can adapt to any style. playing to benteke strengths would still leave us being mediocre. he's not an intelligent footballer and i have seen no signs of that changing.


03 Feb 2016 22:43:26
I agree that a manager must adapt his style to fit the times, Ed. Just one problem with that at LFC right now. We cannot even play to his strengths, whatever those are because no one really knows, because we have poor quality from wide areas in addition to his inability to move and create space in the box. So after all that, what is Klopp supposed to do?


{Ed002's Note - Get away from this culture of assigning blame elsewhere. Painful to read.}

03 Feb 2016 22:57:12
Why does every comment have 2 disagree's lol.


03 Feb 2016 17:36:58
Anyone Else think we will Perform better with Origi back in the side? I do if we can get him to run at the defence more it would open up play a lot more heck I think as soon as sturridge and origi are back we will be playing better football just don`t have a decent enough vocal point in attack.

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03 Feb 2016 18:16:39
All the good teams now and in the past, always built from the back. Our back 5 are awful (not 1 would get in the starting 11 of any team in the top 5). I know Klopp inherited these players, but surely a decent manager should be able to coach them to do better than they have done. If Sakho is our best defender then god help us, Skirtle took all the blame on here, so who is to blame now.


03 Feb 2016 21:27:51
Sakho wouldn't even get in the car park let alone the team if I had my way.


03 Feb 2016 17:26:19
For those who want to write the season off, I say the sky is still the limit. We are still in every cup, a treble is bloody possible if we try and key players have not yet started to come back from injuries. As fans, we need to maintain a level of enthusiasm as we are not out of anything yet. I am personally looking forward to a Europa League run and the cup final, but if we give up as fans in the league games, the players can't just turn it on for the matches that count.

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03 Feb 2016 19:11:19
If one observes the progress of sides like Tottenham and Southampton. They have had their ups and downs. Similarly Leicester were poor than Raneiri waved his magic.

People crave instant success, forgetting things come through time.

We still might surprise a few people.
What a difference a fit Sturridge would have made?


03 Feb 2016 17:02:52
hi eds not liverpool related but football related mark farren 33 played for derry city died the day after a battle with cance a Derry City Legend and all-time top goal scorer . Our thoughts and prayers are with the Farren family at this time. Rest in peace Mark.

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03 Feb 2016 18:57:05
I take that disagree was a mistake that or a pleb pushed it! Bit of respect!


03 Feb 2016 15:03:19
I am always confused about runners-up entering competitions. Man c are going to qualify for the Champions' League. Does this mean that Liverpool qualify for the Europa League whatever the result of the Final?

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03 Feb 2016 15:09:14
I think fa cup yes league cup no, not sure though.


03 Feb 2016 15:42:42
The way it works at presnt is 4 spots to champions league and 5th to europa league.

Both winners of Carling Cup and F. A cup will get Europa league spot the following year unless they have already have secured European football on which case they're spot is given to 6th or 7th place depending on.

Example if Man City win Carling cup and Arsenal win F. A cup and both already qualified for champions league then they're spots are allocated to sixth and seventh.

Hope that clears that up and that I got it right!


03 Feb 2016 16:10:05
No. Have to win it or 6th in league gets the place.


03 Feb 2016 16:18:42
No if City win the Capital one and qualify for Champions league then the Europa spot goes to the next highest finisher in the league that hadn't already qualified, if that makes sense.


03 Feb 2016 15:01:32
My two penneth:

One of the most futile, soul destroying exercises is to look at where you want to be and compare it to where you are. We want to win the league, we are 16 points off it with over a third of the season left.

Alternatively try looking at where we were when Klopp arrived and where we are heading:
We were struggling in the league, we hadn't won a trophy for over 3 years. We'd beaten mighty Colchester on penalties. We were playing with no enthusiasm or creativity, we had lost our captain, Lucas and Sakho were isolated, most of our youngsters were on loan, some of our youngsters were in dispute with the club.
So what has Kloppo done for us?
Well we've had some incredible results and some poor results in the league. We're in the final of the league cup. We topped our Europa league group. Lucas is back and has more MOM performances than anyone. Sakho has signed a new contract and is back. We've had some bad luck with injuries. Smith is back in the fold and has a new contract. The youngsters are getting their chance in the FA cup. We've signed Grujic. Lallana looks rejuvenated. Joe Allen looks like a new player. Can has been assigned a position rather than 1 game defender followed by 1 game midfielder. Lovren looks more confident but still prone to lapses.

I don't really understand why people can't see any positive changes. We were all crying for the young players to be given a chance, they have been. We were struggling in the Europa, we topped the group. We are 1 final away from a trophy. Players are improving - the evidence is there.

Real change takes time but is best achieved by incremental improvements. This is what we are doing but there is so much more to achieve.
With respect to January I don't believe it was the optimum time to bring players in and it is best to wait for the summer.
We as fans have an obligation too. We need to change the atmosphere at Anfield. Somehow we need to capture the party atmosphere and get the noise going.

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03 Feb 2016 15:10:21
Agree apart from rejuvenated lallana.


03 Feb 2016 15:12:20
Good post ron

The trouble is most people where expecting klopp to come in and win us the league.

We are as you have said in a damn better position than we were with Rodgers.


03 Feb 2016 15:39:39
Agree with almost all of this Ron, we're miles ahead of where we were before Klopp came in in terms of setting a future direction and establishing a more dangerous (and attractive) style of play.

Even if the occasional performance has been a bit disappointing, we've had some great games too, and most of the time we've lost it's been because we haven't taken our chances rather than because we haven't created any (last night a bit of an exception however) .

I'm a bit disappointed by a couple of recent team selections though as we seem to have lost a bit of spark, however hopefully Sturridge, Coutinho, Origi returning will help inject a bit of pace and verve into the side after a gruelling run of games.


03 Feb 2016 15:40:02
If we win the league cup it is a nice start. if we don't, then in terms of performance and results we are not really better off from where we were last year. Of course, unrealistic to expect big changes during the season as you say, but most people didn't write off this season so are still dissapointed when we look so bad and can't score goals. All the other things you mentioned are quite meaningless if they don't affect performances and results and they don't. If next year this time we will be in the same position in the league no one will care if Lucas and Allen improved further, Sakho signed a new contract and the youngsters get more chances.


03 Feb 2016 15:54:59
Good post. I agree about Lallana, he looks better then under Rodgers, would expect more goals looking at his record the season before we signed him. He has had off ineffective games, but who hasn't?

We are on a better path, we have a better manager and staff then before. It's not over yet, but I'm more looking forward to next season then this one. Maybe the cups will change that of course, but league and squad wise, I can't wait for a full season under Klopp.


03 Feb 2016 15:56:41
Same as Fencey, but some of the guys in attacking positions are not looking anywhere near scoring a goal never mind several. This is klopps challenge for the summer.


03 Feb 2016 15:58:03
Nice to see a decent post Ron. Do read some inpatient posts from fans.

As been said by the Ed's on numerous occasions, the players are getting fitter to adapt to Klopps style of play. From pre-season there fitness levels were set to be a possession side.
The players are adapting to new ideas. New training drills.
Our two best options at the time of being manager less were Klopp and Ancelotti. I do believe that in the long run we made the right choice. This season we was never going to be title contenders (as desperate as I am for us to be) . Just not going to happen. Wrong players bought and injuries sustained throughout the season it was to much of a task.
A big percentage of the squad will have better knowledge of requirements next season and after a full pre-season and preparation for next season and I hope a decent recruitment of players in the summer we can push on and start to climb the table. Look at Spurs and the benefits of them having last season and a pre-season. That is where I hope us for us to be. Within top four contention with the possibility of a title contender.
It really is a case of walking before running.

We have a cup final. Let's enjoy that as its been a while. Still the chance of another two finals to be reached. Come on guys. Support the club we love. We're all in this together
YNWA.


03 Feb 2016 15:58:35
Klopp was always going to struggle to get rid of the mid-table mentality instilled by Rogers along with the methods and recruitment.

No way should he be judged until at the least the end of next season.

Some people are moaning about some selections, but it's not like he has a fit Sturridge, but is keeping him on the bench to either play Beneteke or no striker at all.

The same with the likes of Lucas, Milner etc. There isn't a bench of world class players that he is ignoring to select these players.

This is the result of what Rogers thought was good enough for Liverpool.

Yes some of them are or will be (good enough), but unfortunately there's quite an overhaul needed (yet again) . However, I trust the man now in charge to get the recruitment side of things right.

How many of our top 15 or so players do you think will still be here after Klopp has had 2-3 more transfer windows?

Can, Firmino, Countinho, Henderson and maybe Sturridge if he ever gets fit and playing week after week.

The rest. I think they are all either playing for the futures' or their fate has already been decided.

There could be a few that are borderline, but I wouldn't have thought there are many.

Then we come to the problem in that we have paid top class money for all/ most of these players and will be lucky to recoup 50% back on a lot of them.

All this at a time, when we are close to FFP sanctions, the club are still losing money and we are getting further and further away from regular champions league qualification.


03 Feb 2016 16:18:10
Ron,

The problem is that looking where we're going is a dangerous game, when Klopp arrived we were full of optimism and now we're giving up on the season, that's not a positive thing. Where are we heading? If things don't pick up we're in danger of having our worst league season ever. Lucas and Sakho? they're going backwards. Youngsters? They're not being given a chance, none have been used in priority games, they've just been played in the FA cup to give the first team a rest. City was amazing but we haven't won a league game by more than a single goal since. Cup runs? with the exception of one glorious game we've just about squeezed through.

Say things will be better when are players are at full fitness, say we'll be better next season, say we'll be better when Klopp gets the players he deserves but don't try to sugarcoat what's going on now because it hasn't been good.


03 Feb 2016 16:27:54
I do love Klopp, but I don't think we've performed any better under him than with Rodgers. Maybe in a few games, but overall, not really.

Obviously nice to reach a final, but it was done rather unconvincingly.

Our youth has played in our cup games, which rodgers would have done with the congested fixture list.

I really don't think we should be hailing Klopp as the saviour right now. He's brought some personality to the club but he hasn't achieved anything yet. Last year with this same team Rodgers took us on a 13 game unbeaten streak and we still were all over him. If klopp were to do that everyone on this site would be praising him as the next messiah.

Give Klopp time to put his touch on the squad, but stop looking at things with this view that everything he touches is magnificent, because our performance over the past month have been far from that.


03 Feb 2016 16:55:48
Very very balanced and sensible post.

Agree completely.

Yes Klopp is good mainly because he says as it is. We were all irritated with Brendan mainly bcoz of his post match interviews where he kept on repeating abt character.

However there are diff ways of motivating and pobably he choose to be positive always which upset all us fans.

But we can't discount the fact of the best season under any Liverpool manager in the recent past and also the 13 match unbeaten run.

Yes Klopp needs time and his prefered players but this style gegen pressing might not work in the long run.

At the end of the day players are humans and will tire out sooner or later because of relentless pressing.

I wish we beat M City and win one cup for a change after so long.


03 Feb 2016 17:00:47
@ musctetred.
The optimism is for beyond this season, and rightly so. It isn't and has never been a case of writing off this season, but a realisation and understanding that our team's fitness levels are way off, a new managers ideas take time to implement, especially when they join during a season, and finally that the squad is still Rodgers squad.
I disagree about sakho and Lucas. I especially disagree about the youngsters. Tell me, what premier league manager would play loads of kids in "priority"games.


03 Feb 2016 17:24:46
"Sakho is back", "Lovern looks better" Lucas is back, more Mom's than anyone" "Joe Allen looks like a new player" "Lallana rejuvenated" Can assigned a position". So many positives! The premier league results are worse Ron. 22 points from 16 games. Have we conceded less goals? I have to say i expected more and i still think in the long run hopefully but i don't think trying to paint pretty pictures is the way to go. Our PL performances have been far from good. The results don't lie Ron.


03 Feb 2016 17:27:31
Nice post Ron, and I agree with most of what you've said.

Also agree with slowdog, especially on the youngsters bit. If Brendan had still been here, those youngsters wouldn't have got a look in in any game, whereas with Klopp, some of them are staking a claim to competing with the more senior players in the EPL starting 11 - especially Smith and Texiera.

It is a season of coulda, woulda, shoulda in terms of the league. If we just had a fit and firing striker for those games when we created a bucket full of chances but didn't put them away, we woulda been at least 10 if not more points better off, and right in the mix.

Its the honesty and passion of the man that has grabbed me. If we haven't progressed next year, I will literally eat my hat! And its not a case of having to rebuild completely and be in transition, we are a handful of positions away from being seriously competitive - imo, goalkeeper, CB (as long as Smith continues his development and Flanno continues his rehab), DM (to provide competition for Lucas and an upgrade on an already excellent player) and a striker. We don;t necessarily have to buy these players, but instead look firstly to our injury list (striker, for example, could easily come from Origi, Ings and Studge) and then to our younger players who are getting a sniff of the important games through the cups.

Its almost like a checkbox exercise to go through the various factors required to provide a succesful team. Despite 13/ 14, the checkbox for "top class manager" had not been ticked. Now, I believe it has. And that will help with so many other things, not least quality player recruitment. We don;t need quantity, we need "qwality"!


03 Feb 2016 17:48:52
Hey Slowdog, I'm not against optimism for next season, I share it. I just don't like all the excuses for this season. Call a spade a spade, Klopp's had a rough start and that's fine, just don't pretend it's anything else.


03 Feb 2016 17:50:20
I completely agree apart from a few points.

I reckon klopp has done a good job and has shown evidence of this, as you have suggested, is actually much better than under rodgers, even if results don't show it.

But like i said earlier, and i have seen ed001 say, he is busting his balls trying to get the best out of this current group of players and they are giving him nothing back, his hands are tied right now hy his mandate and by time scale - he is still suffering from the mistakes of the rodgers regime, badly.


03 Feb 2016 18:54:44
Completely agree muscatred. Optimism for next year, but be honest with the disappointment of this season.


03 Feb 2016 19:01:11
Sorry, but this team is shabite.

The manager hasn't learned that his system isn't working, and needs to change it.

He should also learn that we have to start winning ugly to achieve anything.

Klopp will succeed, but it's not all about the players.


03 Feb 2016 19:54:54
Great debate. Makes me laugh though when people keep going on about some great results! We beat city and a very out of sorts Chelsea. big deal. Good results but it's still only 3 points for a win. We have been woeful in most games and our league record is atrocious. We just cannot score! Ravaged by injuries up front granted and hopefully studge will come back into the team and make that difference but we are awful to watch and very frustrating. I do believe in klopp but he has got to adjust and implement a different style. Fingers crossed our forwards get fit!


03 Feb 2016 20:12:58
Southampton 1-6 was also a great result.

I think the thing is with results is its too short-term thinking.
You have to build the foundations first then expect the results. You don't plant a seed, wait a week and then dig it up because there's no flower.
He's building fitness levels, he's integrating the youth, he's building team spirit, he's increasing confidence.

But it's one step at a time and don't expect a consistent challenge for the league yet, it's too soon.


03 Feb 2016 22:56:31
Ron, I love your post. This season was always going to be a roller coaster under Klopp and indeed when he arrived, we had a chance to really get going. But we lost to Watford, Newcastle, and the lot with some dreadful performances to boot. That is what has dampened the morale of some fans and I get that. But to say, we would have made a final, whipped City, Southampton and even Chelsea (after going a goal down), topped our EL group, given kids a chance to the point of calling for them to step in because some of the senior players aren't playing well, Allen becoming a new player, and the lot with the way we were playing under BR, is just dishonest and wrong. NONE of that would have happened. Sahko and Lucas would be gone and All we would get was excuses, excuses, and more excuses because that's all BR had become good for. Glad he's gone and in spite of his stupid clinger type comments in the media, I'm happy to give Klopp as much time as he got. Fort hose making a case for BR, go support him at his next job in China or at Osasuna and leave Klopp and the rest of us alone.


03 Feb 2016 14:10:48
There are reports coming out that the Chinese club that bought Jackson Martinez for 45 million euros has also bought Alex Teixiera for 50. If true, I don't know what to make of this.

He said he wanted to move to a bigger league to help him get into the Brazil squad, moving to China is taking a step back. If true then it shows the type of player he is, and is a real shame given his quality.

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03 Feb 2016 14:20:43
You don't know if its true, but say it shows the type of player he is. I would suggest it shows the type of fan you are.


03 Feb 2016 14:27:37
Pretty sure he came out and said it wasn't true. I expect him in the premier league next year, most likely with Chelsea.


03 Feb 2016 14:43:59
Oh well, doesn't effect us anyway.


03 Feb 2016 15:29:06
So only way we meet Texeira is in 3 yrs time when we qualify ucl as top 4 next season then go on to win ucl and then we play china club in world club championship.


03 Feb 2016 16:18:51
When did this site become so petty and fickle people see it necessary to attack every post that's put up? Redsince64, the original post stated 'if' it's true it shows what type of player he is. Last time I checked, we all supported the same club and come on here to chat football and LFC, not throw pathetic little comments about and nit pick every single post.


03 Feb 2016 16:40:32
stuie, we could all come on here with stories that start with IF it's true. I heard that firminio spat in Klopps face, IF it's true just shows the type of person he is. Rubbish of course but I don't understand the need for people to post derogatory comments if they don't KNOW whether it is true or not.


03 Feb 2016 17:47:34
Irish Rover no one is insinuating that things are all magical, good things take time. I have definitely saw more positives under Klopp than the last 12 months of Rodgers. But on the same note Klopp does not have a magic wand. The best manager in the world could not transform our team at the moment. The realisation is Klopp must do all he can with what he has. The performances have been better, despite inconsistent. Unfortunately it looks like another building exercise for Liverpool. The other thing is that most of these players are not good enough. No rose tinted spectacles, they are coated in mediocrity. Coutinho aside, I don't see one top four player in out squad. We have good players, yes, but not top four standard.


03 Feb 2016 13:34:33
I think there's a bit of perspective needed. We're missing 3 of our 4 striker, With the 4th barely playing when they're all out. Coutinho has been out the last few as well which doesn't help. We've haven't had a settled centre back pairing, due to injuries, I hope sakho and Lovren stay fit, and play together and don't get rotated too much, they're the two which are most likely to stay, and have a future at the club. We have made a lot of signings for big money, and they haven't worked, I'd can probably see firmino having a future of the recent big money ones, the rest maybe not. We need some physicality, both pace out wide and strength in the middle and a lot more creativity. I hope Ibe gets a lot more minutes, he needs game time, and to me it seems a waste playing Milner there when I believe he should be sold. Ojo similar feelings. I don't believe we will come higher than 6th this season, so klopp should have a precise idea about next season, and sell a lot. Yeah maybe another season of 'transition' but I'd rather that than another season of the same problems we've watched for the last few seasons. I do trust klopp to turn it around, slowly, but surely, but changes need to be made and there's no two ways about it.

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03 Feb 2016 13:49:13
I hope so, mate because what i saw last night was painful to watch. My semi pro team of back in the day passed the ball a lot better than we did in the game. Chriss Waddle couldn`t believe how bad it was that professional players couldn`t complete 5 yard passess. We got into good positions a lot but my word, the bad decison-making killed us. It looked like these players just met the day before the game it was that cringeworthy. That is my issue. We know some of our players aren`t good enuff and this will be a rollercoaster season BUT at least you should be able to complete 5 yard passes. Leicester played a counter attacking game and didn`t have to do much to beat us. That is the frustrating part. A team low on confidence were beaten not by a better team, BUT by a team high on condifence and one with a striker who can do no wrong, all the things we are lacking right now. Here`s to hoping things get better in the next game as top 4 is DEFO gone for this season.


03 Feb 2016 14:29:46
Just shows you what an in-form striker can do for a team. Suarez nearly carried us to a title on his own. Hopefully Sturridge can come back and get us some positive results.


03 Feb 2016 15:14:43
As I've said continually we need a striker.


03 Feb 2016 13:17:01
Let's me start off by saying Iam made up we have Klopp as our manager and I love the emotion and realises he has brought to lfc so far. Let's be honest here with one another is there much more he has brought so far.? Our are current performances results much different to what we endured for the last 18months under Rodgers much different? Yeah under Klopp we have some fantastic results and performances (I. e. Chelsea city and Southampton) is there any difference apart from them games you can honestly sit there and say you seen a change in Rodgers Liverpool and klopps? Iam not bashing Klopp here as I said I think he a great manager and he will need time to put 'his' print on the squad which I fully agree with. But can anyone sit here and say you can see a 'style' we are currently adopting too, because I can't. We seem stuck in between 2 styles at the minute but without any cutting edge. I can honestly say after watching last nights game we never looked like scoring, yeah we done some neat tidy things like keeping the ball well so on so fourth but in the final third we honestly looked like never scoring, Leicester on the other hand have identified a 'style' adopted it amazingly well &I let's be honest could have had 4 or 5 last night. Again please don't SEE this as a 'Sack Klopp' plea, but more a reality check. If I could see a let's say gengepressing style and we had same results on the board I could sit here and say well at least we got a style and the players aren't up to scratch. Maybe I'm being too harsh here as he only been here a few months and I got my hopes ups of being title challenges pretty much straight away. (can only dream I suppose) I understand Iam going to get loads of disagrees on this matter and hey that's what this page is all about difference of opinions. Hopefully with a good pre season and good summer transfer window with ins and outs then we can challenge next year. Sorry about the long post guys but past month or so has just got me thinking. Ed002 if I may just ask an opinion from yourself? I understand the summer is a way off at the minute but can you see lfc being the most active in the window regarding ins and outs in the summer?
Thanks for your time guys.

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03 Feb 2016 13:33:53
What are you on about - we ruled them yesterday and until their goal (which could barely have been considered a chance) they barely had a shot! We are so different from how we were that you being unable to see that leads me to believe that actually you aren't watching us at all. We're ruling most games and battering most teams - we just can't score because 75% of our strike force are injured and the one fit one doesn't seem to want to try (and the midfield players aren't suitable to fill the void as much as they are being called on to do so) . Our young players have come on leaps and bounds, we're interesting to watch and we're dominant on the field. The fact that you're moaning because we don't walk out and do the exact same thing every match and vary our approach is unbelievable.

And an FYI for everyone - if you're predicting you'll get a lot of disagreed with a post before you're even posting it, maybe instead of saying it like a badge of honor as though because you're the only one who will tell the truth its possible that you should be considering why so many people will disagree with your post and whether its likely to be a case of people seeing something you can't rather than the other way round. By all means speak your mind but don't treat disagrees like an achievement.


03 Feb 2016 13:43:08
Behave yourself, we ruled them! We played some neat little football before we got final third and fell flat on our face. What did schmeichael hav to do yesterday that makes you think we ruled them? We toothless at the minute and maybe when we get Sturridge, Ings and origin back we might look like scoring but I have no idea what you watched last night because it certainly wasn't Leicester vs Liverpool if you think we ruled them.


03 Feb 2016 13:59:11
I think you are both right. I see that we moved the ball well atimes and got into good positions but since we are low on confidence, our passing was severely poor, just like during BR`s time. It will be a roller coaster season with some ups and downs and that is fine with me because it is what it is however, to say you do not see a change in our stile since BR lleft is dishonest. The results especially the big results we`ve had, would NEVER have happened the way we were playing under BR. We would n`t be in the CC final., topped the EL group, smashed teams on their patch, youth players would still be rotting awa on pointless loans and the list goes onSaying the opposite is laughable to the point of cracking a rib. For every loss, BR would have had his excuses of injuries, too many games, no Studge, Nos suarez, no SG and I can keep going. I will say that klopp has made his few mistakes BUT I can`t fault him because he`s actually trying to win the games he plays regardless of the team he puts out and the deck is stacked against him. He`s not trying to be a smart ass or be a genius because he himself has said he is not one and he is prone to errors. I feel we should just support the team and Klopp no matter what, he`s who we wanted and we have to make sure we beat City in the CC final because a trophy will be massive for his and the boys` confidence. GO REDS!


03 Feb 2016 14:39:50
Anyone who thinks that by holding more possession of a ball in a game means the team deserves to win is as deluded as ever.


03 Feb 2016 12:57:16
hi
I can't say I'm a long time lfc fan never actually seen us win the league title only cup competitions. I've actually grown up thinking we are better at cup competitions than the league and would easily take the champions league and finishing 5th. However what saddens me is the level of negativity around you'd think we've won the league every few years. looking at teams like man city psg Chelsea you should realise even with the money the players and the best coaches it never happens over night. I think the best model for us is Tottenham they've perceived with poch and look at how well they are playing now . even Rodgers with all his mistakes once he had his best team in place we finished second. so yeah we ain't playing badly now but the only thing slacking our players does is kill the mojo I'm just saying. if you can't support the team when we down you have no business with us when we up! YNWA.

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03 Feb 2016 12:45:32
A team put together for circa 20 million pounds beat us last night, who some fans demanded we spend 38 million pounds on 1 player. I'd swap the whole Leicester team for 25 mil Lallana, or 20 mil Lovern, or 18 mil or Sakho, or 20 mil Hendo, or 29 mil Firmino or 32.5 mil Benteke. Leicester are top of the league, having spent a tiny proportion compared to us. I hope they win it. Am glad Klopp kept his powder dry in January. If he does his normal stuff, he will buy quality at low prices and clear out many current players in one go. The hardest part is trying to convince clubs to take them off our hands. In the meantime if Klopp gives more time to the youngsters in league or cups or both that is fine with me. They have entertained, while well paid 1st teamers have bored. Time for youth.

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03 Feb 2016 13:12:23
They're just playing brilliantly as a team and working very hard. Individually they are not great, bar vardy mahrez and Kante in my eyes. Would you want Robert huth? Danny Simpson?


03 Feb 2016 13:21:42
Fencey
I would take their whole midfield ahead of ours with out any hesitation. Okazaki showed yestey how a midfidler should contribute the attack. he was inside the box when Vardy whipped one in.


03 Feb 2016 13:22:37
Kante is a superb footballer and shows that good scouting works.

I can only conclude that we have a pretty poor scouting network.


{Ed002's Note - So because Liverpool did not sign Kante the club has a "pretty poor scouting network". Maybe the club should look to do what MU did this past January and put a block on all transfers? Let the team settle and let Klopp have even more time to prove he is a good enough coach with the players he has. The expectations of the fans for a new team every season is not the basis for success. Buying players for the heck of it is also not the basis for success.}

03 Feb 2016 13:36:47
Vardy isn't that great. He's a good finisher and very quick but massively benefits from everyone playing to him - I doubt he's be anywhere near as successful in another team.


03 Feb 2016 13:39:18
Well said Ed002. Thanks to all the Ed's, guys you have to put up with some crap on here. You should all be knighted!


03 Feb 2016 14:10:03
Spot on, Ed. No one even knew who Kante or majority of these Leicester players were 18 months ago and now because they`re surprising everyone including themselves as top of the PL, people are now becoming scouting experts after the fact. Nonsensical thinking, really. Kante came from the depths of the French Ligue 1 (Caen, I think) but he took his chance to the point that Inler, an experienced international can`t even get a game. Did the specialists/ geniuses on this forum see that coming? Didn`t think so. Leicester are flying high and taking advantage of the crazy and to be honest, sunb standard level of the PL so credit to them. Would any one have signed these players they have now in the off season? NO! So Stop whinging and support the team and the player because regardless of all your whinging, they are who we`ve got and we have to ride with them.


03 Feb 2016 14:24:28
I think the point more was rather that mr dennis was simply saying that if our scouts actually put some effort in, we could find players like kante, instead of blowing all our money on players who clearly aren't much better at all, all hype.


03 Feb 2016 18:07:25
Hold on though a minute ed we've spent a fortune over the last decade or so. Even with the amount we've spent since Kenny is it out of order to ask why we failed to assemble a squad which can compete in the league.


{Ed002's Note - Read the post.}

03 Feb 2016 12:40:14
Well we had our chances, didn't take them -0 and that was a stunning goal and a contender for goal of the season I suspect.

Other than that there's not a lot more to be said.

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03 Feb 2016 14:26:29
Also, our passing was the worst I ever saw in a while. Chris Waddle on commentary could not believe his es. That`s how bad it was. Leicester has all we are lacking as in, a team hig on confidence, no critical injuries, a striker and key players on confidence and a new coach with a pre season to implement his ideas, ALL the things we currently lack. Apart from that, it wasn`t a very poor performance, just a very frustrating one.


{Ed001's Note - Chris Waddle is a moron. If our passing is so bad, how come we dominated possession for most of the game and it was just in the final third we struggled? Waddle was just desperate to pick at anything, but even he was admitting Liverpool were the better side, while trying to claim we were constantly giving the ball away.}

03 Feb 2016 17:52:16
I thought Waddle made some good assessments. Like the ed says, he consistently highlighted Liverpools sustained possession and lack of creativity in the final third.


03 Feb 2016 23:01:45
I agreed with you Ed however even I saw the way we were wasteful in our passing which shows in fact, how poorly Leicester played because they were just as bad. I agree that we opened them up at will atimes but our decisions in the final third along with a lack of a true striker killed us.


03 Feb 2016 12:31:51
Hi Eds
This isn't really a question about any transfer or club specifically but more in general. Why would teams leave a transfer until the very last day of a transfer window to make their move?
Generally speaking I can only assume the teams have done all their relevant scouting etc throughout the year prior but yet won't do anything until what seems like hours before the window shuts.
Is there method to this madness?!
Not a Liverpool specific question like I said so no problem if you're not bothered answering!
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Teams posture until the end before. After the tire kickers have gone it becomes clear who really wants to sell and who really wants to buy.}

03 Feb 2016 13:23:15
That sums it up nicely Ed.


03 Feb 2016 12:22:25
Reading the posts and i'm just angry at all the negativity. actually we played very good some parts of the game but decision making in final third was so bad. we had 3 red shirts in box everytime when cross or ball should come in but only henderson and milner combined that one chance for can who is dreadful sin man city game. Klopp will solve this. klopp knows our biggest problem is defence as some state our problem is our midfield. no creativity. not enough pace. allen seems like our best midfielder lol. hendo looks like playing in pain milner tries hard and i actually decent. lucas gets beaten by pace far to easy. no through balls. too predictable losing balls in dangerous area so our defence looks shit. lallana being only player that really improved under klopp. we will se a major clear out. atleast two mids will go. benteke will go. one cb will go. i hope moreno raises his game. luckily we have ings and origi who will be excellent players. our core for next season has to be new reliable keeper, lovren, new midfield player (guy from moenchenglabach) . firmino coutinho ings and origi. grujic will be massive signing you will see. i hope emre starts working his sucks off.

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03 Feb 2016 12:21:51
As far as results go we lost to the league leaders away and we never had much chance of top 4 after recent results anyway, however the manner of the defeat was disappointing and tells us a few things IMO

1) Moreno continues to struggle defensively and Clyne was poor in Attack and gave away a lot of possession - FB remains a problem for us and we need to give smith and/ or Flanno a shot sooner rather than later
2) our midfield of Lucas, Can and Hendo (especially when he's injured) seriously lacks pace and creativity. married with Llalana and Milner out wide and we have workhorses all over the park but no spark. please Mr Klopp inject some excitement back into the setup, and substitute one of Can, Hendo, Milner, Lucas for a Teixera, Ibe or Ojo. the balance looks too predictable for words!
3) if we're going to play Firmino we need to play 4-2-3-1 and to get runners around him IMO (eg Coutinho, Llalana and Ibe) . he's not yet a target CF
4) If we want to play a 4-3-3 we're better off with a traditional CF and putting the creativity back into midfield (like when we played Coutinho in CM's in 13/ 14. We could try Can/ Hendo/ Llalana with Firmino/ Benteke/ Ojo upfront would have a much better balance than the defensive setup we started with vs Leicester

Overall Klopp has done well setting the side up since joining but we need to get the balance better than we did vs Leicester.

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03 Feb 2016 13:14:05
Agree that runners newd to get around firmino, you'd think with the 4/ 5 work horses we play, some would gamble and make runs in behind firmino.


03 Feb 2016 14:36:12
Zimbo is spot on. We don`t scare anyone pace wise and Leicester knew that coming in. they just parked the bus and played a counter attacking game. Their midfield and forward line on the contrary, had pace to burn and put us on the back foot. i agreed we opened them up a lot and bad decisions robbed us of goals BUT with no pace down the wings notr in midfield to keep the defence honest, we had no chance really.


03 Feb 2016 12:18:05
Hi Eds,

I was wondering whether you could give an update on Taiwo Awoniyi, Is he on loan at Frankfurt? Do you think he will feature at all next season?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, sorry.}

03 Feb 2016 14:37:56
He will be with the Nigeria Olympic team in Brazil this summer and we may have a chance to look at him closely then or at least I will because he`s just too talented like Iheanachor (his henchman on the same team is. It may not be what you wanted to hear but just my 2 cents.


03 Feb 2016 13:26:21
He is indeed at FSV Frankfurt. Hasn't featured at all, only came on as a sub in one cup game.

He did appear in a couple of their winter friendlies.
Their league restarts next weekend, but I'm not sure if he'll play a great deal. He seems very raw altogether.

Maybe once they're safe from relegation he'll play some.
Here's a little clip of him against Dnipro.
I particularly like the bit where he falls over while shooting. Could be the new Benteke! (Just kidding Taiwo)

Taiwo Awoyini vs Dnipro 23 Jan 2016


03 Feb 2016 12:28:44
Just thought I would throw my hat in the ring on a previous post.

Vardy even admitted "Mignolet kept coming off his line, so if I had a chance I would take it".

And boy, he did just that.
Top goal.

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03 Feb 2016 14:40:25
Changes nothing really. We play a high line so it`s normal for keepers to be false sweepers. Mingo has never been beaten like that before because his back pedaling is pretty good. Vardy was smart and tokk the shot way before Mingo becan his back pedal. a second later, Mingo would have had that because he`s 6ft 4inches with long rms. Credit to Vardy, tho because that was genius.


03 Feb 2016 15:08:44
Agree,
It was just a terrific shot by Vardy.


03 Feb 2016 12:16:14
Last night's game to one just to forget. We were truly terrible going forward and as I said last night in the live chat, mignolet was at fault for that goal.
We yearn for changes in that side but klopp currently trusts these under performing players.

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03 Feb 2016 13:11:53
So many bad performances this season it is becoming hard to forget because you have constant reminders with this team.


03 Feb 2016 14:47:01
Disagree Big Al. Mingo was caught by a smart play from Vardy. We play a high line hence it`s notrmal for the GK to be a bit off his line. Vardy took his shot quickly. That is no one`s fault. That is just smart play and it has happend to any Goalie before. Even Cech and Courtois in all their glory, went through the same thing so don`t know why you`re blaming the poor boy. i know he`s not the best goalie on the planet BUT to blame him for what is IMO, not his fault is becoming boring and embarassing. Vardy scored a good goal. Deal wwith it and move on instead of finding some one to put the blame on all the time because mind you, not a soul played well yesterday and Leicester weren`t that good either. they had strikers, we didn`t.


{Ed001's Note - but he had ages to get back and didn't, there is no excuse, it was rank amateur level dithering.}

03 Feb 2016 12:14:30
Vardy's goal reminded me of Garcia's Versus Juventus. Hit it early (which the keeper wasn't expecting) but regardless his position should've been better. You'd criticise a outfield player if he was out of position so I don't know why we make special exceptions for goalkeepers? I don't really know what more we can all say about this? Think we should move on now.

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03 Feb 2016 14:51:18
Apple, he took it early, way before Mingo started back pedalling yet some are blaming him for the goal because as usual, someone has to take the blame when we lose instead of recognizing that we were poor all round. We play a high line hence, GK must be off his line to squeeze the space btw keeper and defence line. Vardy was smart like Garcia who chipped/ lobbed a living legend in Buffon and was further away than Vardy was (almost from midfield) . Move on, sir.


{Ed001's Note - he didn't take it that early though. Watch it again, Mignolet has plenty of time to get back, if he was actually watching, once he decides not to come out. It is a goalkeeping error, among many other mistakes in that build up, and we are never going to get anywhere while we have him as our last line of defence.}

03 Feb 2016 23:06:40
You may be right Ed. I admit I haven't seen it again so I will. I completely agree with you that mistake or not, Mingo is not the way forward and Klopp made a huge mistake keeping him.


03 Feb 2016 12:04:49
Eds. Realistically where should Liverpool be finishing in the league with this current team? Last season I recall that Eds and others were saying we had the squad to finish top four. This season with the same players (bar Benteke who is definitely better than Mario ) the bar seems to be much lower. What would you consider a good league position to be for this team?

Secondly do you feel Klopp is getting his methods across to the players? At the moment we look suspiciously like the listless team Rodgers oversaw. Is implementation of the new tactics by the players the issue now? If so what can Klopp do to help the players to improve?

Finally do you think we re getting to the point where some of the bigger names need to be dropped? Eg Milner Lallana Benteke Migs Sakho etc and replaced by the clearly more hungry U21 players.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) Where the team finishes is dependent on how other teams do, and this season many have been doing poorly. So somewhere between 3rd and 8th is where I suggested at the start of the season. (b) The fans are going out of their way to find excuses for Klopp. At the start of the season Liverpool had (apparently) just about the best players in the world. All they need was a "world class" coach. The club go and get, at great expense, the coach the fans crave and there is absolutely no improvement - so suddenly the fans think the players are all rubbish again. This approach is fine but it does mean that it matters not who the coach is. Klopp had success some years ago - he was found out then and has been found out now. (c) The only chance the kids are getting is in the cup competitions when the poor little dears in the first team are too tired to play. You might see one or two get a game.}

03 Feb 2016 12:29:28
Now, whilst that may have been the case with some or most Liverpool supporters on this page I would like you to be rest assured Ed002 not all fans were under the illusion we had the best players so maybe you’ll be able to sleep better at night knowing that. Ill speak for myself, wasn’t particularly happy we ‘re-built’ again and felt it was un-necessary to keep buying shed loads of players to appease ‘some’ Liverpool supporters and please a manager who believed that buying again is the only way to go forward. With all due respect, we haven’t got the crystal ball so none of us know how Klopp will do in time but I have to lament he has been here for 3 months, has improved some of the players individually, got us into a final and are still fighting in 2 more cup competitions. So, the league and quite rightly the most important part (most notably financially) I again haven’t got my crystal ball to hand Ed but if we are to make assumptions and only assumptions at this time I can't see any way we would be doing better under Brendan Rodgers and certainly feel we may have struggled in the cups too. Going off Klopps previous experiences, he has done remarkably well in turning the fortunes of struggling sides which gives him the experience with our current situation. I assume (again assume) the owners will be fully supportive of any decision he will make and if it was up to me we should look at selling players before contemplating adding further to what’s a over cramped squad.


03 Feb 2016 12:53:35
I am extremely surprised by Ed002 comments.

I certainly do not remember the fans saying that we had some of the best players in the world.

Rodgers was sacked because he was inept in so may areas, (Transfers, tactics, media handling and more) .

Klopp certainly has not been perfect and i have questioned some of his decisions (Caulker and Ward), but on the whole i think he is starting to show signs that things are turning around.

So saying he has been 'found out' after a few short months is very strong, he has not even had the chance to get the players fitness up to appropriate level for the system he plays yet, perhaps you are letting your personal feeling towards Liverpool cloud your judgement on that one slightly?

Anyway great site! YNWA.


{Ed002's Note - Klopps style of play was found out in Germany and it has been found out here - otherwise he would be getting better results than Rodgers - he isn't.}

03 Feb 2016 12:55:29
We have some decent players and some very average ones. I agree with Anfield apple, some might have thought that but a lot of others would have known we lack some quality needed in our squad.

Will have to wait and see what the rest of the season brings!


03 Feb 2016 13:14:32
So eds, i thought you were the one who said you cannot be happier that Klopp is appointed, now you saying he's been found out both in germany and England. Does that mean now you think we got poor manager who living on past reputation?


{Ed002's Note - I said nothing of the sort.

Managers are like players, simply transient employees of the club. I am also not suggesting anything like your supposition.

Were you dropped repeatedly on your head as a child?}

03 Feb 2016 15:24:01
Leek, Ed01 said that. not Ed02. As for Ed`s comments, I disagree that his sytem has been found out because he hasn`t even had the time nor a preseason to implement his system fully so saying that is not a good appraisal, in my opinion. Now many of us did think we had a good squad and Klopp could have a go at the top 4 BUT that was before we knoew Studge would be out for this long and Ings got injured right before his first traing session with Klopp and before we knew Benteke would struggle. Right now, he`s not having his best of times and his few mistakes are there for all to see. Hence, I would say it has been mixed blessings for now BUT with a preseason to fully implement his system, he will be judged accordingly.


03 Feb 2016 11:52:22
Question for the Eds, I'm trying to find the correct answer but so far have only conflicting info.

The winner of the League cup qualifying for the Europa league, but if that team also qualifies for Champs league does the Europa league spot go to the losing team of the final or to a team finishing in 5th/ 6th etc in the league table?

I thought it was given to a team based on table position, and looking around on the net most bits I've read confirm this, but I've also heard on a few Anfield index and Anfield wrap podcasts that we will get a place in the Europa league as we are in the final, regardless if we win or lose as Man City will qualify for Champs League.

Cheers Lads.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no possible route to Europe through the League Cup unless you win it. Whoever is doing the Anfield podcasts is likely a fan of another team just teasing the extremely gullible Liverpool fans.}

03 Feb 2016 12:41:27
That's what I thought, lol ed unfortunately they are Liverpool supporters, The Anfield Wrap is one of the most listened to podcasts on I tunes, with the presenter also hosting a radio show on City talk on a Thursday evening, the Anfield Index has many different pods under the one umbrella. Some good stuff out there other LFC supporters should check out, particular fav and rather funny one is the day trippers, lads crack me up.


{Ed002's Note - You need to call up and explain reality to them. That may take a lot of time of course.}

03 Feb 2016 11:42:17
Hi all,

Heading over for the weekend from Ireland for Sunderland game. First time going to game for 4 of us! Really looking forward to it.

Got hospitality tickets as suggested on here. Hopefully the result will be better than last night.

I See Liverpool U21s playing sunday against man city and its its only 3£ admission does anyone know if U21s play in Anfield or if game will be somewhere else?

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03 Feb 2016 11:56:06
Pretty sure it's at Anfield mate, that's what it says on the official site for the U21 fixtures. Usually a good game too as there all trying to crack into the senior squad, some proper talent on show for both sides.


03 Feb 2016 11:10:34
I know everyone goes on about how we need a striker and I do agree also that the defence is poor and again I agree but for me the biggest worry right now is midfield there is no pace whatsoever and no creativity at all we have no genuine width apart from two full backs whose final ball is atrocious to say the least.

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03 Feb 2016 11:51:11
I don't think you need pace or power in midfield. Barcelona had the best midfield in modern history with Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta. None of them were fast, or strong. But they were composed, always looking for the ball even in tight areas, progressive in their passing, and very hard working and intelligent off the ball. Pace? The reason England is so poor is because we put players like Barkley, Welbeck and Townsend in the team because they have pace and power.

100% agree with you regarding width and creativity though. However I think these are linked. We lack creativity because all our playmakers are playing in the front 3 (Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana etc) and because all of our playmakers drift inside they are narrowing the play. This does allow Clyne and Moreno space to overlap but I don't even know how they signed their contracts because they couldn't cross a 't' let alone a football. If we had fullbacks who could pose a threat on the wing then our forwards coming inside wouldn't be an issue. Again using Barcelona as an example, even though Suarez, Messi and Neymar drift inside, they have players like Alves, Adriano, Alba etc bombing on from the full back positions who can actually deliver a good ball from out wide.

Our team is severely lacking in balance. The reason why Brannagan, Allen and Stewart were our best midfield this season against West Ham was because they are all intelligent players with composure on the ball. So West Hams physical midfield were simply out witted and out played. Personally I'd have them 3 as my first choice midfield on current form. Lucas and Can have been poor and Henderson is so clearly still injured.


03 Feb 2016 12:11:53
Ems iniesta and xavi composed and hardworking is how you describe them?
They had the skill to comfortably beat 3,4 men at a time or swivel out of danger when players surround them. When they then went forward their passing was world class, their intelligence to read the game was above any other midfielder in world football. their technique and close control and touch was magnificent. We have and have had no midfielder like them in the last 20 plus years.
We have midfielders who haven't got the skill to glide past players or pass backwards when they are surrounded by a player. Honestly xavi and inesta were total footballers. Gerrard had nothing on them.


03 Feb 2016 12:23:34
Xabi Alonso?


03 Feb 2016 12:32:54
Big Al being able to drift past people and swivel out of danger surely comes under composed and progressive? Because I do agree with you on everything you say about them.

However I wouldn't say Gerrard had nothing on them. As a midfielder Gerrard was average, if not poor. However going forward Gerrard had everything. Headers, finishing, free kicks, corners, vision, long range screamers, volleys etc. He was a far superior player in the final third essentiallty. Just not a very good midfielder as he lacked intelligence and tactical awareness. He panicked far too often in midfield which resulted in some pretty infamous back passes and a lot of misplaced hollywood passes. In terms of goals and assists though, Xavi and Iniesta don't touch him as far as I'm concerned (talking about the Gerrard of 2003-2011 here, not the passenger Rodgers made him into) .


03 Feb 2016 12:35:30
I said no pace or creativity
. xavi and iniesta were two of the most creative midfielders you'll ever see we've maybe coutinho when he's on song but that's about it . by the way I'd have Barkley in a minute.


03 Feb 2016 12:36:19
Cough alonso and Gerrard erm 90s macca burger we have had players like them just right now the ones we have are completely different.


03 Feb 2016 12:42:25
Agree with Big Al, Xavi is argubly the best CM in past 15 years or so. He dictates the game much better than anyone else. While Iniesta sits in his own leve of creativity, There is no match and its not all down to composure. SKILL is the precise word. I am big fan of Busquets as well. He sits there and protect two avergae CB and two Full backs who are more offensive than ours. No problem when Alaves bombs very high up the pitch.
And its not Spain alone, Those three domintated the whole europe for how many years?

Alonso was the best CM we ever had. And then it was all Henderson and Milner.


03 Feb 2016 11:07:22
Hey everyone,

I don't post much but just wanted to say my bit I guess. for what it's worth.

I like a lot of us had the initial - for god's sake not again feeling last night and got incredibly frustrated, but then I realised something that I think we all need to take on board.

This is and never was going to be an overnight fix, and the mere fact we did not panic buy in January for makes this the most successful transfer window since signing Suarez.

Klopp has passion and the right attributes, but needs time to install his philosophies and get through to the players etc, as well as bringing on board his own players. I believe he will be given this time and it will work out, but we all just need to be patient, and channel our energy and frustrations into supporting the team - so they know we have their backs etc.

For me the best example of what I am trying to say is Spurs. For the last season or 2 they looked like they had really slipped, bought a load of dross after the Bale signing (they did buy some) and slipped by the wayside. Then they got Pochettino who at first did not seem to get it quite right (i. e. their results improved a bit but they still struggled and were not a major threat to anyone) . However now he has had time, and a close season to infill his training and philosophies look at how they are performing, and how strong they are as a unit.

I am not here to go on too much about Spurs, but more to use them as an example of what can happen to our team (and of course with Klopp I believe we will end up far stronger) if we all just give the club a bit more trust and patience.

This of course only applies to those fans who are already calling for heads to roll and slating all players each week - I know there are plenty of fans that know we need to be patient etc.

Over and out - rant over.

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03 Feb 2016 11:53:44
The legacy of the past three years is still showing.

JimJam782's post sums it up pretty much.


03 Feb 2016 10:21:23
How disheartnening it is for some of the youngster too constantly see poor perfomances and still not get a chance. Your not telling me tex, stewart, ojo and brannagan couldn't of put more effort in than lallana milner, lucas or hendo/ can. Even smith would be better than moreno atm.

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03 Feb 2016 10:31:21
In all probability, given some of the rumours, Moreno will be gone in the summer. After initially improving over last season, the man is regressing again, or simply reached his plateau. What's the point of having all that speed and the end result is a kick high in the stands? Every time Klopp says "We made the wrong decisions in the right situations" I think of Moreno. Nobody else in the team exemplifies this more.


03 Feb 2016 11:01:12
Moreno will most likely leave and be replaced by Raphael Geuerreiro.


03 Feb 2016 11:41:54
We don't need a lb to replace Morono if he leaves we got Flanagan and smith also Gomez can play anywhere in the back 4 .


03 Feb 2016 15:25:42
Yes we do, as Clyne may be on the bench when Flanno comes back. Guerreiro is a top LB who can actually defend.


03 Feb 2016 09:33:24
I saw a few people defending Mignolet for Vardys first last night. Just watched it and that is 100% Mignolets fault. Lovren will never have the pace to catch Vardy in a straight foot race from a route one hoof forward. Bearing in mind Mahrez has hit that pass from the right back position, why the hell is Mignolet on his line? Even at Sunday league level keepers have the common sense to stand at the very least on the edge of their area. Vardy gets to the ball about 25 yards from goal. If Mignolet had been stood on the edge of his area he could just stroll out and put it out for a throw. Instead he stayed rooted to his line until just before Vardy got to the ball at which time he thought it would be a good idea to step about 5 yards off his line inviting Vardy to hit it over him.

Vardy; great execution. Still takes a hell of a player to catch that ball up and whilst at near full sprint measure a volley so perfectly over the keeper. But Mignolet has gifted him the opportunity to show case his ability. Shocking goal keeping.

Their second goal was just fortunate. They caught us short at the back, everyone is all over the place trying to cope with their pace and movement and a deflection fell kindly for Vardy.

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03 Feb 2016 09:36:05
Pure rubbish. He was positioned where any keeper would be. Sakho was at fault plain and simple, caught out by one long ball and lost Vardy then. Some finish though.


{Ed001's Note - no he wasn't. Any good keeper would have dropped back onto his line when he wasn't going to be able to cut out the ball from Mahrez. Sakho and Lovren were caught out by the ball, yes, but Mignolet was positioned so badly it gave an opportunity. It was a great finish, but even Vardy has said he only tried it because Mignolet was out of position, so how can anyone make an attempt to defend him for it? When even the guy scoring the goal is telling you that the keeper was out of place!}

03 Feb 2016 09:55:01
I knew they would score and it was only a matter of time. Someone was destined to make stupid errors. Names keep changing.


03 Feb 2016 09:58:44
Not seen the goal yet but knowing mignolet i am inclined to believe ed01 and ems tbh.


03 Feb 2016 10:08:23
I think we need to forget the goal, the reason we lost that game is because we can't score if our lives depended on it.

We battered them from 20 mins on until the goal, why the club aloud the transfer window to pass when our problems have been obvious since the start of the season is beond me.

Great goal and we can blame whoever we want as its only 1pt lost as we would have never scored to win.


03 Feb 2016 10:10:19
Croft what do you want Sakho and Lovren to do? Drop 30 yards deeper and leave a massive gap in between the midfield for Kante or Mahrez to drive into? They can't do anything else there because Leicester have 2 strings to their bow. You either drop off and Kante, Mahrez and Albrighton will run at you, or you press high and Vardy will get in behind. That is why they are so good. Pressing high would've worked if Mignolet had either swept behind the defence to clean up hoof balls, or just stayed on his line and let the defenders push Vardy wide and make the angle difficult. Instead Mignolet is in no mans land asking to be lobbed.

If we had sat deeper to prevent the hoof balls Leicester love, they would just come at us differently with the technically gifted players like Okazaki and Mahrez who can squeeze a way through tight gaps. You cannot prevent a team like Leicester from creating chances unless you smother them wnd dominate possession. We did that well only to get let down by poor goalkeeping. Then when we were pushing forward to equalise they've hit us on the break and a ricochet has fallen so kindly even I would've scored.

Mignolet has cost us yet more points and penalty shoot out heroics do not cover any of the gaping caveats in his game for me.


03 Feb 2016 10:15:43
Its like this for me, if migs was stood still as vardy approaches the ball, and then it goes over his head, I'd say great strike and migs wasn't expecting it.
However.
If you watch it, as vardy approaches the ball and looks like he's about to strike it (before he actually makes contact) migs has started back peddling frantically already, this proves that he knew a shot was coming, and it proves he knew he should of been back nearer his line to start with.
Just another error on the migs book, so now we can add positioning, to kicking, flapping, catching and decision making.


03 Feb 2016 10:27:15
Quite frankly I think some people are letting their hatred of Migs cloud their objectivity.


03 Feb 2016 10:41:31
No one hates migs bob, but he is an average keeper in an average team who all make game losing mistakes on a regular basis. can't really blame people for wondering why these mistakes keep happening.


03 Feb 2016 10:42:09
We will never score if we continue to simply side foot it around aimlessly in midfield, while the other team has crossed the entire field with 2 or 3 quick passes. As if racking up the possession percentage amounts to anything. You can argue that we don't have the players, wrong decision making, or there's not enough time for coaching tactics because of fixture congestion. But at some point, somebody will have to look up at "team management" and ask the questions. You can't lay 100% of the blame on the players 100% of the time.


03 Feb 2016 10:45:59
We're just an average team.

End of.

Let's ignore this season.

Sturridge head is blown, the manager has realised he has penguin players and we fans are disillusioned (again) .

Roll on next season.

Even a cup win will just paper over the cracks.


03 Feb 2016 10:57:04
I don't want much EMS, just for our centre halves not to be beat in a 2v1 situation.


03 Feb 2016 09:50:20
But Ed no keeper would drop back onto his line when the ball is that far out? He was only 4-5 yards off it and was back peddling quickly as Vardy was getting to the ball but got done by a super shot. Think people are been harsh on him for this one when the real problem was in front of him with Sakho getting completely caught out and Lovren having to try chase down his mistake.


{Ed001's Note - that far out? You make it sound like it was 50 yards or so. It was certainly in a position keepers drop back on to their line.}

03 Feb 2016 10:25:41
Sorry Ed001 I disagree there. Mignolet is exactly where any keeper would be when that bal;l is played over the top. The goal was not Mignolets fault, I have no idea how we allowed Vardy so much spoace in behind. Lovren was caught day dreaming. To put the entire blame on Migs as EMS has done is quite simply wrong.

We had no problem defending with kolo in the team last time we played them, and a deeper line, why we pushed that line higher up I will never know or why we played Lovren when he clearly wasn't match ready is beyond my grasp. Mignolet was caught there because at first it looked like Lovren was never going to get there (he actually didn't in the end as Vardy hit it first time, I think any keeper would expect vardy to take control rather than hit it 95% of the time

Putting the blame solely on Migs there is just plain wrong for me.


{Ed001's Note - nobody is talking about when the ball was played. I am talking about when he shoots. Mignolet should have been on his line, disagree all you like but any keeper being caught out like that is out of position. How can you disagree when even the goalscorer is saying it was because the keeper was out of position he tried it?

Some people are so far up their own arse, they won't even accept a fault when it is being pointed out by the one person who has every reason to not admit it was a goalkeeping error. Or do you think Vardy hates Mignolet too?

Talk about a pathetic attempt to cover up another mistake by the keeper, by pretending everyone is childish and jumping on his back because they 'hate him'. That is when you know someone has no real defence, because they hide behind that kind of crappy response.

The second paragraph of your defence is just classic. You defend him by saying he dithered when he wasn't sure if Lovren was getting there or not. If that is the best defence of yet another piece of crap goalkeeping you can come up with, I would suggest you just leave it there before you make a real arse of yourself.

Why on earth you think that suggesting it was because he didn't have the intelligence to spot that a shot was on, when a goalscorer is getting the ball in a shooting position, is a good defence of a goalkeeper, I have absolutely no idea.

And no one is saying Migs was entirely at fault, so why that ridiculous last line was even added, unless it was just to make a nonsensical defence turn into a 'look it is just a witch hunt' to deflect away from the lack of any reasoning in your post.}

03 Feb 2016 11:10:21
Bobatron I think some peoples desire to be different and argumentative clouds their judgememt and inhibits their ability to be honest.


03 Feb 2016 12:06:15
Geese guys. Grab your handbags. No need for it. You all sound about pathetic to be honest.


03 Feb 2016 11:47:53
Bad form Ed, all bobatron did was offer his view and you go off on one like that. Seems a common theme whenever anyone offers a different opinion on a matter - that's the only childish part I can see in all this.


{Ed001's Note - right whatever, is that all you offer in terms of a counter argument? Because it is just wasting my time. The childish crap was him accusing people of being just haters for pointing out that our keeper is crap, rather than actually offering any counter argument.}

03 Feb 2016 13:19:22
Unsurprisingly I'm with ed on this. Some people just can't see the wood for the trees, and unfortunatly those are the fans that are happy with mediocrity.


03 Feb 2016 16:13:20
The whole debate is nonsense, whether Migs was at fault or not doesn't matter to me. He's consistently made enough errors for me to have no faith in him ever being good enough, the Vardy goal is hardly the straw that broke the camel's back.


03 Feb 2016 09:25:14
ED001 if you're around, asking you for any knowledge on Klopp and his view of Yesil.

I know the kid has had bad luck with a couple of horrible injuries. But what is the general view on him? Are you aware of how his future is seen within the club or do have any expectations?

Is it possible for him to recover to the fitness level required for the premier league? If so, his reputation in Germany must have been noticed by Klopp.

Was he not recalled like other loaned players purely down to either the loan contract not allowing recall or better chances of regular football which must be essential after injuries.

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - he was unable to be recalled like Markovic. I have no idea what Klopp thinks of him, but it was thought injuries had killed his chances of making it.}

03 Feb 2016 09:53:26
Thanks. Has he proven during this loan that he could return to the level required?
Totally get you'll not know what Klopp thinks of him, but are you aware of Klopp showing interest in him at Dortmund to indicate he was on his radar?


Would you expect Markovic to be given a decent oppertunity or if Fenebache (spelling? ) offer a decent amount will we just sell?


{Ed001's Note - no, no, it really depends on too many circumstances to do anything other than guess.}

03 Feb 2016 09:27:13
Gone the days supporters support the club, they rather slag the club off. I'm put off coming on here to read the endless team slagging.

Klopp is a manager that will give players the chance to prove them selfs, play well stay.

I have read that he works on a years contract at a time regardless of the true length. So let see what he thinks in the summer and start judging him next year if you really have too.

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03 Feb 2016 10:16:05
It's not just here it's at anfield too. The atmosphere is poison. Sick of hearing players being ripped to shreds. I appreciate you pay your money and it's your right but it makes for a very unpleasant 90 mins.


03 Feb 2016 10:23:32
I dislike posts like this. What do you expect? Endless posts of hopeless optimism? Support for a bunch of players on huge contracts that can't do basic things on a pitch, it's excusable every now and then, but it is happening week in week out, with a bunch of players that didn't perform this badly at their previous clubs, so really posts like this are stupid. We have never finished below 8th in the league and we are projected to do that at the moment. We lose to teams we should beat. We have an endless list of problems and they have piled up ever since klopp came in. Short term we are a mess, long term I still have faith in klopp but a lot will depend on the players we get in the summer and for some reason I feel like I won't be surprised by the players that might come.


03 Feb 2016 09:18:11
Didn't have the pleasure of watching last nights game, but by all accounts it was the usual struggle in the final 3rd.

Top 4 in the league has gone now so now is the time to start playing some of our younger players and see what they are made of. If we can't give them game time in the league now then they will never get there chance.

Smith, texiera, ojo, brannagan and stewart all need the chance to play in league games.

We only have the cups to play for now our league position means nothing.

The bonus even without CL football is that klopp will attract players.

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03 Feb 2016 09:45:35
Europa league winners = champions league group stages.


03 Feb 2016 10:12:31
Agree a bit more introduction would be good, but he is giving time from the bench to Ibe, Smith and Teixeira. I'd like to see Stewart and Branno given this as they've played well and deserve a chance.

Ward and Ojo must also be in contention over Migs and Milner.

It should be a case of play the best 11 when fit, but who are they and none can play three times a week to get consistency. But at the moment who's to say our first team will get us further in the cups then the kids? Put these kids into the league, Klopp seems to rotate a lot if two games in a week, that then removes a few from the cup games.

Will be interesting when the Europa starts again and if we get past WH in the FA cup how the league is treated with the squad, if we have an important cup game and say Sturridge is fit to play either this or the league game in that week, what will happen?


03 Feb 2016 11:20:00
the youg players played really well I ganst west ham and Exeter home and won 3 -0 great stuff could they do the same west ham away ITs different in the prem ynwa.


03 Feb 2016 11:40:05
Sorry I mean play the so called strongest 11 in the cups like you said ron win the Europa and you get in the the Champions league.

In the league though we need to try these kids and see if they can handle it in the premier league.

EMS mentioned Moreno leaving and bringing in guerreiro, but from what I've seen of smith I think he could replace Moreno.


03 Feb 2016 08:50:32
After yesterdays performance, I am just feeling miserable. I think I need to step back and take a break from football for few days.

As football fans we tend to be obsessive but you have to be a Liverpool supporter to understand true meaning of obsession.

Sometimes the manner of defeat is just too hard too take.

PS I heard that Sturridge will be back for the next match so there is some room for optimism but I won't believe it till I see him on the pitch.

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03 Feb 2016 10:26:09
I feel your pain, I haven't watched games recently because the same things tend to happen. As for your optimism, Sturridge will probably suffer a 'set back' before the next game.


03 Feb 2016 08:15:43
According to bbc gossip page lfc had deadline day bid for icardi rejected as they had no time to source a replacement. They quote corriello as their source. Eds any thoughts of us possibly returning in summer? I know it's a long way off just asking opinions.

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{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

03 Feb 2016 08:25:37
I read that and it makes no sense to bid on the final hour as the selling club would have no chance to bring in a replacement.


{Ed001's Note - yet they were the ones that were saying they wanted him out as he had fallen out with Mancini.}

03 Feb 2016 08:50:16
Would be a great purchase, hopefully go back in the summer IF Benteke is sold and we need another forward. We will also have Ings returning so no big loss if we don't.


03 Feb 2016 09:46:09
It's "gossip" though mate.


03 Feb 2016 07:59:33
It was rumoured that a certain Neville lookalike was always seen at Row Z whenever liverpool plays. That explains our shooting, can't blame them.

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03 Feb 2016 07:55:34
The fact that Rodgers was allowed to spend money in the last Summer transfer window is even more baffling to me now! As Ed002 says, this could all end in tears! The summer seems years away from now! Looks like another season of the 'T' word 🙈.

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03 Feb 2016 08:05:40
Did some one called me ha ha. The club cannot repeteadly go into transition mode mate.


03 Feb 2016 09:47:18
Have we ever left it?


03 Feb 2016 07:44:27
AFter the game yesterday i am feeling sad at our performance, but still over the moon we have Klopp as our manager and i am sure he is the right man and will bring the best out of liverpool.

However, i have to admit i am getting fed up of seeing moreno play! Why, but why is he playing!
I understand that maybe Flanagan isn't fully ready yet but then play smith, anyone!

His crosses are just painful and his positional awareness is crap.

I hate moaning at players and rarely say these things but i can't understand why he plays and other better players don't get a look in.

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03 Feb 2016 08:03:35
I think Klopp has to bring in more technically gifted players at LFC. Yesterday we all saw the difference with the technical abilities of the Leicester players like Mahrez, Vardy, kante, Drinkwater and our players like Benteke, Henderson, Milner etc. Have you ever saw Henderson or Milner dribble pass two or three defenders, very rarely while when we watch Mahrez for example with the ball its a pleasure to see how easy he moves pass defenders.


03 Feb 2016 08:06:32
I am still waiting for someone to update the Wikkipedia on what Emre Can does on the pitch.


03 Feb 2016 08:36:12
another player that is just trouble.


03 Feb 2016 08:57:33
Can is only young and learning, first season played all over the place and finally since Klopp has come in he is in his position. Give him a break, he like some others are involved in 2-3 games a week every week. He is a good player and an exciting prospect. You should ask more about what Milner brings at the moment because Can can go past players, Milner is in that forward position and dosent, he dosent even put decent balls into the box like a wide forward should.


03 Feb 2016 09:07:24
i meant to write that for moreno sorry, not can.


03 Feb 2016 09:07:51
I clearly understand if Can needs a rest, what's the point in playing him week in week out is what I really don't get from Klopp. Allen was fit and ready to take the place of any CM in that line up except Lucas.
You could shoulder the entire blame on Migs and co for yeterdays defeate. But that line up was hardly goint to score goals. wasnt it?
I was really expecting Stewart and Allen to play yesterday, But deep down I knew Klopp wopuldnt play them.
If the Youngsters wouldn't get a proper run in this season, I don't expect them to get games next season with Klopp would be under pressure to deliver.
I agree with you views on Milner but we all knew well in advance Milner is loved by Klopp as does Lallana. They are not getting dropped at all.

Just my thought mate.


{Ed001's Note - Allen struggles against teams like Leicester, they have too much pace for him and he ends up over run. That is why he is fine coming off the bench when they are tired.}

03 Feb 2016 09:29:05
Allen struggles against teams when he occupies the DM role IMO Ed01. Play him as an advanced midfielder and he would do a fantastic job. He makes runs to the box something our midfiedlers wouldn't at all. He could score.
We needed one of the CM to constantly howling around Firimino to cover him and makes the runs.


{Ed001's Note - he struggles against any team with real pace and workrate in the middle. That is why he is fine up against Yaya 'LazyArse' Toure, but why he can't cope with Leicester. Allen is not an attacking midfielder, he is not a consistent goalscorer. He is just your new pet whinge.}

03 Feb 2016 10:58:43
but ed01 do you agree Moreno should be kept out of the team?
I can't bare watching him try and cross the ball or shoot like he did when he could have slotted the ball into the box and quite possibly we would have been 0-1 up.

I really do not rate him. People say he is great going forward but really? what's the point of being good going up if you can't pass it or cross it!

I hope Flanagan gets good game time once he is fully fit. So second question, do you know if Klopp rates Flanagan? I know he said so the other day but hope he has plan to play him soon.


{Ed001's Note - he shouldn't be playing left back, he is getting worse in the position not better.}

03 Feb 2016 07:37:14
Cannot believe I'm reading posts questioning Klopp. And I see Ed002 has immediately taken to stirring with replies.

Think some need to take a breath. Two seasons ago we almost won the league. The only reason was a front line of Sturridge, Suarez (main reason) and Sterling. Also Gerrard was still towards the top of his game. We all knew at the time the rest of the squad was between poor and average. We still have that poor GK without competition. We still have a poor defence without a decent LB or a commanding CB. We still have an average midfield. And until a few months into this season we still had a poor manager.

We lost those four players and the clubs recruits haven't been good enough, we all knew Benteke was a good player who could be a handful, but never suited our style.

Klopp has come in during a season, with these players, he has in 3-4 months had a huge amount of injuries, sorry but these athletes must have had it a bit easy if a step up in gear causes break down. No striker for how long and we can see Benteke isn't a solution. He has got us to a cup final, we are still in two others.

He is not a miracle worker, but he has done really well with what he has. Give him time.

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03 Feb 2016 07:56:55
Totally agree Max. Good post mate.


03 Feb 2016 08:14:24
Good points Max and January Transfer Windows are usually mild anyway. Klopp will put us a team on the park given time and I expect some serious moves in the summer. I like big Forster over at Southampton (biased as I am a Celtic fan as well)


03 Feb 2016 08:14:48
Pretty shocking alright. I just had to stop reading.
Sure, sack Klopp because of a poor run of form. As you and he said from the start, he's not a miracle worker. He can't be judged until after his first full season with some of his own chosen players.

I mean, when you've got Lallana and Milner as your attacking so called creative midfielders, you can't make shinola outta turd. Messi and Neymar they ain't. Now I know people will say, well Klopp picked those players, but it's not like we have SIlva and De Bruyne on the bench. Or even Hazard and Sanchez.

Anyway, chance creation, goal scoring and resuls will improve as players return to fitness. In the meantime though, I do think it's past time to give Teixeira a start and Allen also.


03 Feb 2016 08:19:20
So when does he need to start producing consecutive results? In 2 seasons time? So we give klopp the prestige of getting us to a cup final but blame Rodgers for the squad that klopp has to deal with in the PL. That on its self is a double standard.


{Ed001's Note - how is it? Klopp took over midseason, he has to be given a full season to be judged. If anyone is clueless enough to think that Bodgers could have got these same players to a cup final, then they shouldn't be allowed online, as they clearly do not have the brain capacity required for intelligent thought.}

03 Feb 2016 08:28:03
Jurgen

I would have actually given Ojo or Kent a run in. Proper wingers they are. they possess the proper insinct of Wingers, They have pace and Leicester are blessed with poor full backs on both the sides.
There is no point in playing your CM on the flanks mate.


03 Feb 2016 08:37:51
Once he's had a chance to shift the rubbish and build his own team of course. Actually, your post makes no sense whyscouse. We give him the prestige? Well, he earned it by getting to a cup final. Something Rodgers couldn't even manage against Aston Villa. And we blame Rodgers for the squad that Klopp inherited? Well, yes. Who else should be blamed? He built the thing. He bought these players. My head hurts from trying to understand your nonsense. Think I'll stop now.


03 Feb 2016 08:38:18
atleast Klopp is not sugar coating it. he doesn't like what his team is giving him. and that tells you what is going to happen in summer.


03 Feb 2016 09:01:29
Well yes, I know what you mean Transition. I mentioned Teixeira because he could play as an inside left and has more creativity in his big toe than Milner has in his whole huff and puff body. Having zero senior wide players, well we can thank Bodgers for that one. Genius.


03 Feb 2016 09:14:04
Klopp will be moving on at least 12-13 players this summer, of that i'm 100%sure. U can tell by his body language how frustrated and angry he is with our players' lack of talent and footballing brain. I will get a lot of abuse especially from Ed002 about this, but the cold hard truth is that our squad has more deadwood than quality, and that my friends is a recipe for disaster. I could do what Milner and Lallana do on the pitch better because all they do is run around like headless chickens and put aimless crosses into the box.
Out of a squad of around 40 senior players, i would only keep around 10-12 of them and just ship out the rest. Even God would not deliver us top4 with this mediocrity. Whether fellow LFC fans like it or not, a long transition period is around the corner, but Klopp gives me hope that we will come through better and stronger from that.


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{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool Goalkeeper Strength Review

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03 Feb 2016 09:04:40
LoL i can't help but laugh at how useless mignolet most of times is. A keeper myself i am baffled at some of his play at corners and his constant flapping at balls. he absolutely cannot catch the football with both his hands. and i think in his mind he thinks in football the goal keeper is allowed to touch the ball with one hand only and its a penalty if he goes with two hands. whenever its a corner situation against us he would go to absolute nowhere trying to punch the ball with one hand. i have never seen him making a clean catch off a corner which is attacked by opposition! and then all other aspects of his goalkeeping are useless. i am not sure why we didn't go for a keeper this window. but i think it has to be top priority next season. the keeper can see the whole game and when he saw lovren battling vardy he should have retreated and held his line as ed001 states but he didnt. that is poor match awareness. in short mignolet is an encyclopedia on the dont's of goal keeping. any goal keeping coach should take his videos and ask young lads to never do whatever mignolet does.
I have never ever bashed our own player. but i have done it for mignolet, i did it before too. it is because his inability is clearly visible and his faults cost the team big time. a lot of defenders even the best of them get caught its inevitable and that is why they place you in between the goal posts to save the team when everyone else failed. top goal keepers bail out their team often. it lifts the defense and the team in general.


03 Feb 2016 09:36:22
I agree.


03 Feb 2016 07:08:48
GM Eds.

What is your thought about the winter transfer window and the remaining half of the season.? It was clear that we need to strengthen our attacking options as Sturridge fitness is uncertain and Benteke not scoring enough. Is those unwillingness to place bids for forwards means we are not bothered about the current season and just simply waiting for this to end.

As a fan its very painful to see the decline of LFC. No disrespect for Leicester, but just imagine if they win the league this season, that will be a disaster for us. The team who were at 2nd division and were on the brink of relegation last term winning league. And that to with an average team and unknown players before. Without changing our owners mentality towards the game, we can't achieve anything. LFC is not just business. Its passion and pride.

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{Ed001's Note - how is it a disaster if Leicester win? Some bitter nonsensical posts about them coming through on here lately. If they win it will be good for the league, it will give everyone hope. As for the winter window, there was no one worth buying, so why buy just to please childish fans who have no patience and think the club is still declining? We were, then we sacked the moron in charge and now we are simply bottoming out as Klopp stabilises things. Just relax and enjoy the ride for the rest of the season.}

03 Feb 2016 07:49:04
Klopp walked in to a mess as Rodgers left a completely unbalanced squad with no decent keepers and defenders who have forgotten the basics. Klopp is exempt from criticism for two reasons, the first being his work in Germany earns him time to put things right, two that he's not had a summer transfer window.


03 Feb 2016 08:07:52
Thanks ed.

Finally the voice of reason. Yes like everyone, I'm disappointed with the results lately, however, we are in a cup final and still in the other cups.

The team has been struggling with injuries and klopp has realised that the team needs a lot of work, the issue is that fans want signings that are going to hit the ground running (difficult in Jan) and are getting on the back of the players that are on the pitch. We have a difficult run of games in terms of volume and that's been the case since klopp has taken charge.

Put studge, coutinho and origi in that team last night and we probably would have won. We were largely the better side until the wonder goal, yes a wonder goal from Leicester. I for one hope Leicester win it now because it proves that an unfancied team can take on the city's and the arsenals to challenge.

It's painful at the minute, but some positive things.
Moreno is young, undoubtably talented, so he's not the best defender, he'll improve.
Sakho is struggling for form and hasn't had a consistent partner for a run of games. He's our best defender by miles, get a decent partner for him in the summer and he will improve.
Most of all we have klopp. United, Chelsea and even Arsenal would love to have him.
We have a lot of tricks and flicks, but no end product. So what. The team will have massive inconsistencies until we get a solid spine.

Agree we need a goalie, but move on. Migs did ok, I don't think he's the answer, but he's got his contract so spend the money elsewhere.

Enjoy the ride and support the team. Yes it's hot and cold, yes Lallana can't choose the right pass, yes firmino needs support and benteke doesn't look 32.5m worth. Support the team, klopp will get it right. He can't do it in a few months.

To use the Leicester as an example, they were bottom last season at Xmas, so if they can surprise I'm sure we can shake things up.

Sorry for long post, just reading the usual abuse and think the ed got it spot on. Enjoy the ride!


03 Feb 2016 08:11:41
Dennis

You said below Migs is a poor keeper. Whose is responsible for playing him week in week out? Who picks the team buddy?


{Ed001's Note - would you prefer him to use Bogdan? Stupid response.}

03 Feb 2016 08:17:44
Leicester winning would put Brendan into shame when he screwed up the title at the very end. I honestly pray they do win against all odds.
A small town team winning the league with a very small squad courtsey of sheer hard work and determination would bring back some belief to the rest of the team.
I am actually loving them play week in week out and putting a great shift.
They Sweat Blood on the pitch.
Total respect and hatts of the players.


03 Feb 2016 08:28:47
Ed01, Is Ward out Injrued mate?


{Ed001's Note - no.}

03 Feb 2016 08:58:20
I am actually convinced that opposition players see Mignolet as such a poor keeper that any shot on target has a decent chance of going in. Vardy even admitted as much that it was Mignolets poor positioning that led him to taking the shot on as he fancied it to go in.

At the end of the day, giving Rodgers another transfer window and allowing him to start the season was a bad mistake and that is a large part of why things are as they are, frankly he should have been binned after the debacle at Stoke.

As it is Klopp has a massive job on his hands, is he up to it? Of course he is. The best thing we can do is get behind him. I would go back to the point that Rodgers assembled possibly the most unbalanced squad I have ever seen and that's what Klopp has until the end of the season and nobody that we were linked to could have changed that.

Our keepers are poor, our full backs haven't any idea on how to defend (Scouse Cafu aside), We are weak in midfield (Rodgers bought in Milner to be a centre midfielder, which is a baffling decision. ), we have no pace out wide, we are over loaded with number 10 type players, he (Rodgers) signed a player who was completely unsuited to the kind of play that he claimed he wanted (Bringing in Benteke after he had bombed out Carroll made no sense whatsoever) . Of course Klopp isn't helped by having Ings, Origi and Sturridge out long term injured.

Reality is that we aren't good enough to compete with the squad that Rodgers assembled.

If we make anywhere near top six and get some silverwear that will be a miracle.


03 Feb 2016 09:32:05
we need to calm down and let Klopp do his thing. i for one cannot wait to see Danny Ings play for Klopp, he will shine big time.


03 Feb 2016 06:45:40
Some games when you lose are annoying and some are properly depressing. Yesterday it was the second type, not because we lost a PL game and not because this was the final nail in the coffin of top 4 aspirations but because it deomonstrated our deepest and so far cureless problem of the last two seasons since Suarez left- not being able to score goals.

It really feel sometimes like an infectious diesease, our inability to score as it covers now so many players in two wide squads in two seasons under two managers, and it includes players who showed in the past they can Score until they got infected (Benteke, Lambert, Baloteli) or injured (sturridge, Ings, Origi) or both (Couts of this season, Henderson) .

The most annopying thing yesterday was watching us play against a team that does exactly that so well - scoring goals. Leicster doesn't have an amazing keeper or defence or midfield, not much better than ours anyway. But give them half a chance and they make three goals of it. Just like we were with Suarez.

Yes I know we scored 6 agaisnt Saints and 5 against Nowrwich but these were big exceptions. We are now 300 minutes without a goal (five hours), and our for/ against goals scored ratio in the league is -4!

I hope like everyoen Klopp can fix it (not easy at all, he cannot hold the strikers foot when they shoot) and that Couts, Origi and Sturridge can still do something to fix it this season, thoguh if we don't solve this soon, this season can be over by the end of this month.

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03 Feb 2016 07:37:06
Correct me if i am wrong, We have biger names, But Licester has some brilliant players. Mahrez is a sensatinal player while they have a very stable midfield, which we don't have.


03 Feb 2016 03:55:01
so that wasn't again a performance we sought. the final third problems continue and defensive frailties continue to exist. but Jamie Vardy take a bow, i thought that's it he has run out of steam and the purple patch is over but he comes back again. what a story! wishing him and Leicester all the good luck for this season. Well done and much deserved.

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{Ed001's Note - he was excellent fair play, suited perfectly to the way they play.}

03 Feb 2016 04:38:22
Ed, I wish we find such a striker that suits our system like Vardy suits Leicester's in the coming summer window. Actually i believe Danny Ings could just be the guy. He has similar capability like Vardy and similar kind of attitude. Hope he gets fit soon and a has perfect pre- season.


{Ed001's Note - and Sturridge, but again injured. Origi was showing signs of growing into the position before he too got injured.}

03 Feb 2016 04:59:31
Origi, yes Ed, but i think he is still young, he will come good in time, he can defo score 10-15 goals a season. Sorry Ed but i have lost faith in Sturridge. i think his issues are different. and he isn't ever going to give us a complete season. He is LFC's fans joy when he is fit. the kind of striker that will score when he plays but he is really struggling with his fitness. that scars you mentally too. takes away your freedom to give 100 % on the pitch in training and matches, i believe.


{Ed001's Note - he has plenty of time yet.}

03 Feb 2016 05:12:05
Wishing him all luck in his recovery. we as fans want a fit Sturrdige firing all guns blazing day in day out.


03 Feb 2016 06:46:02
Great goal by vardy. We need to improve in all areas but just suck it up at the moment . It's the cups for us I feel .


03 Feb 2016 07:26:38
It was a great strike by Vardy, however our defending for both goals were complete rubbish. The first one Lovren allowed too much room for Vardy to strike in the first instance. There was an opportunity for Lovren to challenge for the ball but decided to back off. Vardys interview after the game explained how he had seen Mignolet off his line all game! Not sure you can blame Mig for that with the defenders he has in front of him. As for the second, Sakho yet again allowed the ball to bounce and then Moreno (who had yet another dreadful game) stuck out a pathetic leg to block the shot which then defelected into Vardys path. Hopefully it won't be long until Flanagan is in the starting in that back four to tighten up things, and then the arrival of Coutinho, Sturridge and Origi should bring us the goals. Concentrate on the cups now and play, Brannagan, Stewart, Teixeira and Smith more often.


{Ed001's Note - you can blame Migs on that one, as soon as he realised he was not getting it, he should have been getting back on his line, not stood watching.}

03 Feb 2016 07:38:54
Lovren always gets beaten by pace, what's the surpirse there. He got beaten by vardy early on when Okazaki missed a header crossed by vardy.


03 Feb 2016 07:52:32
Mignolet is such a poor keeper that players feel they have s chance if they shoot on sight, guarantee Vardy wouldn't have attempted that against De Gea, Courtois, Cech or even Butland. Mignolet in goal almost gives the opposition belief they can score. That's how bad he is.


03 Feb 2016 08:14:08
Agree mignolet is a poor keeper positioning an distribution is shocking. For those of you who keep harping on about sakho he is shocking the sooner he goes the better. The only thing he's good for is throwing himself infront of shots.


03 Feb 2016 08:16:19
Yes it's not the first time Migs has been caught off his line this season, I remember Oscar nearly catching him out at Chelsea. But I really thought Lovren had the chance to win that ball Ed, before Vardy could get a strike off. He could have shown a bit more desire and intent to win the ball and put it out of of play. Anyways let's hope Courtinho, Strurridge and Origi come back strong and stay fit for the rest of the season.


{Ed001's Note - Lovren was chasing the quickest player in the Prem, to be fair.}

03 Feb 2016 11:38:23
As much as it's a disappointing result, for me, it's pretty easy to take it on the chin and move on. Vardy, fairplay to the lad, his pace is almost unplayable and such a composed finisher.

One of the main reasons at the mo for us these problems is a lack of a true striker that will make runs behind the last man and get into space. I agree with Ed1, I thought Origi was looking a much better player under Klopp and clearly has a really high workrate and desire to improve. I think Ings is going to be great for us and if Studge manages to sort his problems out even enough to play a portion of games I think we have a great potential frontline. Although Firmino can play upfront he needs someone able to spot his runs and for as hard as Milner for eg. works he's like one huge panic attack that constantly picks the wrong pass. Our midfield pretty much dominated those areas last night, just lacked productivity. Looking forward to having Coutinho back and fresh.

One thing I have noticed of late is a lack of spreading balls from side to side and switching play as well. Our play seemed fairly narrow and we're failing to spot players free in space. Hendo seems the only player trying to pick a pass. Can is definitely capable but of late he seems to be doing it less. All the people doubting Sakho, he often plays a great ball out too, sometimes it doesn't work but I'm glad he tries it because it's the only way to improve.

There were a couple of examples again last night again where we've got guys wide open at the opposite side of the box and we try and drive through a congested area as well. It's like panic mode stops them from having any peripheral awareness.


 
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