Liverpool Banter Archive July 03 2013

 

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03 Jul 2013 23:14:31
Eds & Reds,

can anyone suggest a good source of information of football tactics? Something in depth and technical please. Books, journal articles etc. would be great.

Cheers,
ForzaRed {Ed030's Note - Funny you should mention that mate,We have a brand new ones site going up over the next few days with other pages as well. }

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03 Jul 2013 23:44:47
My brain. Ask anything.

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Sounds good, I look forward to checking it out. I've seen a few books that look promising but don't know where to start- any suggestions? [FR]

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Inverting the Pyramid.

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04 Jul 2013 09:37:41
the christmas tree even.

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03 Jul 2013 22:47:59
Funny how everyone says suarez only had 1 good season now.
U guys know he played football before he joined LFC? banged in 30 ligue goals for ajax his last season?
He is most scoring for his national team, and is not a litle crappy country either(when comes to football that is).
I understand that people get mad when he opens his mouth every time he isn't in england, but quit makin yourself look stupid by saying he isn't really that good, because he really is that good, easy one of top 10 players in the world.

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Any player who wouldn't play for Liverpool because we are not in the CL are sh*t or money orientated.

Any player who wants to leave Liverpool are sh*t or money orientated.

Any player who has a bad game for Liverpool are sh*t and not good enough.

That is the mentality of 90% of our fans.

Red Lee

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Red Lee, unfortunately, what you jus said is bang on the money, without a doubt that is the mentality of most fans!

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Lee that is the mentality of the 10% lad.

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Lee

90% of fans on this site - not 90% of actual fanbase.

Unfortunately the internet (and hence this great site) is an outlet for the faceless moaners and trolls.

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It's not a little crappy country outside of football either champ

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90% of stats are made up. I'm 101% certain of that! Bryan

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03 Jul 2013 22:42:33
Alexey Yaroshevsky and Artur Petrosyan, still confident Mkhitaryan will sign. Think they are reliable sources as heard Alexey on several times and seems to know what he's on about.

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03 Jul 2013 22:37:06
Suarez to Arsenal where is this coming from!?

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03 Jul 2013 23:48:05
From someone's ARSE.
Even though am sure an Arse can come up with "rumors more believable than this"

Yawn

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Red Lee - I guess you're not a Liverpool Red. All you do is criticise and attack other people's opinions, hiding behind a PC. Probably wouldn't be so brave saying these things face to face. You remind me of an acupuncturist - you know a smallm'prick' in a strategic place!

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03 Jul 2013 22:29:18
Is it just me that thinks we are doing great business? I mean toure(free)/ carra (retired)
Alberto (5m)/ shelvey) (5m)
aspas(7.7)/ Carroll (15) and
mignolet(9m)/reina(8-9m)!
Plus spearing(2m), Coates(4m) possibly Suarez(45m+) toure is a leader just like carra and at 32 still fresh as he ain't played many games the last couple of years. Carroll don't fit the Liverpool pass and move game! Aspas very mobile and a work horse. Alberto has more about him than shelvey(pace!) and mignolet looked awesome last season add another creative player and we could have a good season providing we keep players fit.

Frosty ynwa

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Are you looking through your red crystal ball or something?

Saying we have done good business by selling Reina, Spearing etc.

Have we sold them? No.

A little premature don't you think?

Red Lee

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Maybe not but he's right with the rest of it! we ain't kicked a ball yet give it a chance.
stevieH

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03 Jul 2013 22:21:04
Jonjonjo has gone to swansea

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03 Jul 2013 22:16:36
Pretty sure Sturridge and Coutinho were bought (albeit later than hoped for)as replacements for Carroll

Even though we will only receive the Carroll money now it was expected to offset the spend on Sturridge and Coutinho


Not sure people should be assuming the funds from the Carroll sale are covering the spend on aspas / Alberto / mignolet etc

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There is no way to determine who replaces who!

Pointless post.

Red Lee

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03 Jul 2013 23:30:13
That is complete nonsense.
Absolutely utterly made up TOSH.

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Come on red lee, there is no need to have a pop at anyone. Grow up and get a life.

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Ha ha quality ^^^^

billynwa

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03 Jul 2013 22:29:14
Dortmund are closing in on a £23m deal for Henrhik Mkhitaryan, Brendan Rodgers will have to look elsewhere. Mkhitaryan would have been a great signing as he would have been ready for 1st team football every match not so sure Eriksen is .Christian Eriksen is the other player Liverpool have been scouting for the role and they are likely to move for him this summer. Liverpool are still locked in negotiations trying to tie up a deal for Tiago Ilori.

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Liverpool are closing in on a £23m deal for Henrhik Mkhitaryan, Jurgen Klopp will have to look elsewhere. Mkhitaryan will be a great signing as he is ready for 1st team football every match not so sure Eriksen is .Christian Eriksen is the other player Dortmund have been scouting for the role and they are likely to move for him this summer.

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Brilliant reply

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03 Jul 2013 22:20:37
Any truth in the Suarez to Arsenal rumour? Doubt it myself but wonder what the Eds opinions were {Ed019's Note - Rubbish}

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Suarez has been backed from 20/1 to as low as 5/6 with William Hill to join Arsenal. There are some mental punters out there. More chance of my wife signing for them.

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You will find that Arsenal are second favs to sign him with most bookmakers now. With RM firm favs now rumours are out that Bale is not being pursued

Cheers Alfie

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Why would he stay in England?

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03 Jul 2013 21:34:00
Eds, where did this 'Enrique wants out' come from?
He seemed happy to me, possibly as Reina could be on his way? {Ed019's Note - I think Enrique will stay and Pepe depends on barcelona}

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From what I know, left back is the last thing that we are thinking of rite now
so expect enrique to stay for atleast this season
although if we sign a leftback den he'l b sold

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03 Jul 2013 22:07:57
With chelsea going for benteke is there any chance of us getting lukaku?

Cheers, northern red {Ed030's Note - I doubt it mate. }

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Increases the chance of Lukaku looking elsewhere for playing time. we would have to make him a priority if Benteke does go to Chelski

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03 Jul 2013 22:03:54
With Shelvey going to Swansea and BR not offering cash plus Jon Jo for Williams would you say our interest has ended in the defender.

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03 Jul 2013 21:57:25
Upto now we've sold Carroll for 16 million and Shelvey for 6 million. We will probably receive 2 million for Spearing which makes roughly 24 million. Is this possibly the money for the Mkhitaryan deal to go through?

We have already seen Toure (free), Aspas (8 million), Alberto (7 million), and Mignolet (9 million) all arrive. This also totals 24 million in fees alone.

Think we can expect Downing, Pacheco, Assaidi, Coates and Skrtle to all leave too. I'd roughly expect somewhere in the region of 30 million combined for these. There is also the expected sale of Suarez which would bring in a further 40 million at least in funds.

Eriksen for 10 million to play on the left is a must for at such a reasonable fee for a talented young versatile attacking midfielder is a steal in this day and age.

With the remaining 20 million defensive cover would be the priority and with Alderweireld in a similar position and fee (10 million) he'd be the first choice centre half for me. Quality player who can cover full back and at a good price and age.

With the remaining 8-10 million I'd like to see us sign Moreno from Seville. Seville are in serious financial trouble, and the young left back could be signed for roughly 6 million. Had a good tournament recently and he would be able to add competition to Enriques place next season.

This would still leave us the money from the Suarez sale for whoever we need, but I'd love us to sign the above for starters.

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04 Jul 2013 00:59:30
£24m? Aspas £8m, Alberto £7m, Mingolet £9m. All adds up to me.

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Why is everyone say Assaidi has to go? The lads barely had a chance and looks to be a decent player

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Assaidi has not had a chance because he is that poor.

The real AG

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03 Jul 2013 21:45:10
Evening eds. Can you enlighten me on Loic Remy's situation - if there is one? {Ed030's Note - He will look to leave QPR and there will be plenty of interest in him. }

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03 Jul 2013 21:35:49
Still so many players available this window for good prices.

C. Grenier. (Last 12 months of contract).
K. Honda. (Last 6 months of contract).
C. Eriksen. (Last 12 months of contract).
T. Alderweireld. (Last 12 months of contract).


Hopefully a few of these will be brought in.

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In an ideal world I would hope that eriksen and alderweireld will be brought in, along with papadopolous, wanyama, mkhitaryan, muriel and tello, all if suarez leaves of course. That would guanrantee top 4.

Anonymous woolback

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There is no such thing as guaranteed top 4.

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Is Alderweirld in the last 12 months of his contract? If so how is he being quoted at similar prices to Eriksen? The prices mentioned from him really seem like his full market value not 12 months left

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03 Jul 2013 21:32:25
People's you know big brenden will have a trick up his sleave just like he did with coutinho. I still think he will pick some one up with some good experience. Look at the impact cara and bellers and so on had. there's the trick somewhere down the line me thinks

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Big Brendan?
Really?

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03 Jul 2013 21:17:25
Ok so,
I'm a man in my mid 30's who has owened 2 businesses in my short time.
I'm going to read between the lines here with the Mkhitaryan situation.
I've read all the stories and quotes etc.
I believe LFC are not in any talks with Shaktar.
I believe they are only in talks with those businessmen.
I believe Liverpool want those men to buy Mkhitaryan out of his contract.
This is the hold up I believe.
I have no inside info but this seems obvious to me now after reading today's latest quotes from Shaktar.
I believe Liverpool will not need to deal with the Ukraine club at all.
That is why Shaktar seem so bitter towards LFC.
I might be wrong but that's what I see here.
I do think we will get him now BUT it will be another week due to the complications between all parties.

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Pure speculation, and I don't know why your age and occupation is relevant?

Pointless post!

Red Lee

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Rumours are built on speculation

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Hi Red Lee,
You are a little bothered are you?
I mentioned my age so folks who took the time to read the post realised I wasn't a spotty teenager on a rant.
I didn't actually mention what occupation(s) I'm involved in but again the reason I mentioned the fact that I'm a business owner was for the same reason as why I mentioned my age.
Sorry about that, was just trying to clarify my situation.
Didn't mean to upset you.
Would like to hear your take on all things Liverpool.
But I'm guessing you just like to criticize other people who put up posts.
Right?

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Good post. Sounds plausible.

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What has owning 2 business' got to do with your beliefs on the shaktar situation?

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I like your thinking and opinion.

Red Lee you are a sword and all you posts are pointless.

Rumba

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03 Jul 2013 21:15:03
Brenden Rodgers is not signing a new striker, as the club already has three. (Sturridge, Borini and Aspas). These are three recent signings and if they sign another, then one of them will be unplayable. don't get your hopes up on a new striker reds fans. I'm upset too.

Cheers

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You seem to forget someone? Hmm who can it be? Maybe our topscorer and if suarez was to leave, don't think he will be replaced?

Chris

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United have 4
City had 4
Last two teams to win the league 4 quality strikers city one on goal difference before United got RVP they won the league with 4 strikers I just its what you need

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Suarez? Is a forward and currently still a Liverpool player.

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United and City both have far more money than we do, tend to play with 2 strikers at least occasionally, and are playing in Europe regularly meaning they have more games. Comparing their teams to ours is a bit of a strange one for me.

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03 Jul 2013 21:11:54
The censorship here is Stalinesque! It's a disgrace that you delete a thread for having an opinion.

Goodbye Football Rumours, you are owned by the views and perspective of a few so-called 'informed' editors and not the view of the public. It's a shame and others will follow.

Gazman {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. Nor do I think you do.}

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While we're at. lol ;
Wayne Rooney - two transfer requests handed in to date.
Suarez has blabbed but not made one, yet anyway.
Suarez = demon.
Phil McNulty's article = "Moyes can call the shots".
Lol, you've got to laugh or you'd weep.
The Juicer

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What are you on?
Give the Eds some respect or go to another site
Take no notice Eds, thanks for your Stirling work

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There isn't censorship on this site? What are you on?
I may not agree with every thing said here but I can tell you that I've pretty much had every post I've made make it and I've said some very harsh words.
At the end of the day if you don't like the sight, you don't have to visit.
Keep up the good work editors.

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Lol!

It's only the Internet

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03 Jul 2013 23:30:26
And by the way Ed002, is it right that Chelsea would take Rooney off Moyes' hands?
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - I can see why they call you the Juicer.}

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Goodbye, Mr. Gassman

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The original thread was deleted. This won't be posted anyway but if like to say that the eds have treated a 35 year long Liverpool fan with contempt here. Shear spite eds. ed 2 you are a disgrace to Lfc

Gazman {Ed002's Note - As I said I have no idea what you are talking about. Spite about what? And what has it got to do with me? You said you were leaving - so go.}

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The Gass has left the building, now we can breathe again.

The real AG

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Right about the Censorship though, isn't he? {Ed002's Note - You are a supporter of another club that trolls the site - that is why the rubbish you post gets deleted.}

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03 Jul 2013 21:02:33
Good luck Jonjo! I liked his commitment

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I liked his bald head;-) Rodgers didn't;-(

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03 Jul 2013 21:01:58
Sorry ed had to comment just read that we have become a sell to buy club, what do you expext we are losing around £1 million a week I remember reading on hear, if we don't sell where will the money come from. we can not compete with clubs that have a larger capacity ground or CL football that is a fact of life. look at your own finances could you afford to spend like this(not meaning in millions but it would be nice). I have every faith in FSG to run us like a business and although that means the club has to be solvent they still seem to be backing the manager, so far very impressed with the transfers and yes they will not all light up the world but they all have the potential to be stars for us. would happily swap the players that have left with the ones that we have got in as replacements, couple of CB and Mickey would seem that job done. good luck to the players that have left thank you for your efforts now roll on the new season. big thankyou also to all the eds well done.

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03 Jul 2013 20:52:46
Friendly reminder that one Joe Allen started his Anfield career like a house on fire and ran the show in numerous games, yet losing form in the second half of the season and playing with a shoulder injury makes him cack and some of you want him sold?

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Don't know which games you were watching Woody Allen play in. errr yes want him sold.

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Did you not watch the first 2 - 3 months of the season when he was absolute class? Won one if not two player of the month awards I think. Shame he dipped in form but I believe he will be back better then ever and still gas a good 12 15 years of playing years ahead of him in his position

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Fickle is the word that springs to mind but that is expected form fans who don't fully understand the game!

Red Lee

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03 Jul 2013 22:40:57
2nd poster obviously didn't watch our games earlier this season when we were in a bad patch?
That proves you are fickle. A true supporter supports win/draw/lose and you don't deserve to support us when we're winning either. Errrrr NO, we don't want Allen sold. He is 2 times the player Voldemort is. Sorry I mean shelly!

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03 Jul 2013 20:48:02
Reds buy wanyama for 13mil
COYR

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I hope so.

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No Thanks

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03 Jul 2013 22:19:23
Why would we buy him for a million more than Celtic have accepted a bid at?

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Because we're Liverpool haha? :)

SideShowBob

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03 Jul 2013 20:44:23
Anyway to tell rodgers wake up and sign mario gomez . He possibly going 2 forientina for 10 million, a proven goalscorer . Surely Liverpool to make an attempt . Even if suarez stays, 2 world class strikers sounds good to me

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While I and a lot of people agree for some reason the most obvious transfers never seem to happen maybe the players you want to come just don't want to go to us or say England even just one of those mysteries in football

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Great point, him and sturridge compliment each other perfectly, one fast beastly and skillful, the other great movement and finishing
Kopendlad

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Would be a very good signing but will not happen!

Red Lee

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03 Jul 2013 20:26:38
Good luck to Jonjo Shelvey at Swansea. A bright future ahead of him I think, left with dignity as well by saying thank you to the Liverpool fans. I wish him all the best!

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Good luck to the lad. I do think that we have had our pocket picked though, should of tried to get something out of Swansea in return.

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03 Jul 2013 20:09:23
good luck shelvey, shelvey reads the game has a good shot and ball control, not bad in the air.maybe his attitude is wrong.hope we did sell him too early at 21.malta

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03 Jul 2013 19:50:44
Shelvey has gone to Swansea and Spearing looks like he is going to Wigan. All we need now is Downing and Henderson to be sold.

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Don't knock them.
Shelvey and Spearo could be playing in Europe this coming season.
Best of wishes to both.
The Juicer

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Nothing short of unbelievable - Henderson is quality and will be at LFC for years to come - accept it, get used to it, embrace the talent and enjoy it.
There are only probably 5 players in the whole squad who are less likely to be sold, forgetting the new signings of course.

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Why Henderson . I really don't understand . He is a box to box midfielder which now that SG is getting older we need .
YNWA
Jamesy

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Henderson? Are you mad mate? Just stop.

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How stupid would we be to sell Henderson?

Thank FSG we don't listen to some fans. We'd probably have Redknapp in charge and be excited about a raft of big name signings such as Samba, Adebayor and Bent.

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03 Jul 2013 21:15:35
Henderson to be sold? are you mad u muppet Henderson came on leaps and bounds last season and he will continue doing so this season. I will be honest I slated Henderson in his first season but a lot of old school Liverpool fans said give the lad a chance he hasn't got his feet under the table yet and you already want him out. I took that on board and they was right so i'm telling you the same thing give him a chance.

ACHILLES.

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Downing yes but Henderson no!

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"We"?, no man, YOU want Henderson and Downing sold.

Don't speak for me please.

The real AG

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Nooooo! Henderson should not an will not be sold! Donkey troll.

Mangasuicide

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That would supply Rodgers with the depth he said he wants.Henderson will and must stay. Downing could be sold, but I'm not desperate for this to happen.

FranklyMrShankly

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Must admit I was a critic of Henderson when he first arrived but last year he came on immensely, he has a good first touch, can pass and isn't affraid of hard work. He will stay thankfully and rub the critics noses in it, just like Lucas.

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To the no name poster who said he gave hendo a bad time but now changed his mind.trust me your not alone there are plenty like you.try remember this next time you are going to town on a 20 yr old maybe 21 at the time.like you could remember hendo when your going to slate borini or allen or sterling.its best to just get behind them till the day they blossom or the day there sold. to many s**t apples on here slating our own players its a joke.while they are wearing that jersey we love them and drive them to be better.

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Henderson is a quality player, he's not England U21 captain for no reason. He is the player that we bought to eventually replace Gerrard, as someone said before, a box to box midfielder, Henderson is going to be an amazin player when he reaches his peak and Downing, while I agree if a good offer came in we should accept it, but he's put his work in recently, he's good to have as a squad player and will work. Strength in depth.

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03 Jul 2013 19:41:39
Can honestly say that up until our interest I've not heard of MK, a good player he may be but is he needed? Are we forgetting the impact coutinho had second half of last season? and at almost a third of the reported cost it will take to sign this guy! 25/30m is a huge gamble, a gamble IMO that could turn out like similar to aquilani. Apart from Suarez, and torres, in recent years how many of our big name/fee signing have made an impact? Aquilani no. Keane no. Carroll no. Downing no. Henderson no! There's over 115m there that have all not lived up to there price tags. However. So far, I think Rodgers is doing a decent job, it's the first time in a long time I'm excited by the young talent we have, the football we played at times last season was fantastic, and if MK is a serious target then I back the managers opinion.
Matt

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Henderson cost 16 million and with the years of quality service we'll get from him will turn out to be a bargain.

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Good shout Matt.

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Coutinho is nothing like HM. We all want a strong spine, aggressive, dynamic players but get twitchy when we talk big money for Mkhitaryan and Papadopolous. HM is a rare breed - a central midfielder capable of contributing 15-20 goals per season. I personally believe Lucas is vulnerable too as we can get a better, more creative holding midfielder if Rafa comes calling with his Cavani proceeds.

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I'd put a large sum of money (if I had a large sum) on a bet that Mkhitaryan would pay dividends instantly. The guy is sheer class. I'm trying to stay as nonchalant as I can about this transfer but in all honesty I'm praying he comes to us as he's exactly what we need. Coutinho is the maestro at feeding balls through to the strikers, completely taking defenders out the game, Mkhitaryan will burn past defenders and find the net. Having these two players pushing forward would be immense to watch. I can totally appreciate why, if you haven't seen Mkhitaryan, you'd see it as a gamble, but honestly if he signs for us I'd be more excited than when Suarez signed. He really is that good (in my opinion).

JFT 96

JP

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Just to clarify, you are making a point that why should we spend so much on MK because you've never heard of him, and your comparison is Couthino. As is anyone knew of him until we signed him.

The same transfer committee that was set up after last Summer has signed Sturidge, Couthino and all the players this Summer.

Wait and see FFS.

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03 Jul 2013 19:35:43
Hi Ed, not been on for a while so if this has been covered I am sorry lol, just watching with interest the Darren Bent situation on tv, do you know of any interest from us? What do you think I him? Worth a gamble? Woul be a relatively cheap deal as he seems to be completely out of favour and is training away from the first team? Just want your thoughts? {Ed052's Note - We have no interest in him}

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Darren Bent would be a good cheap option if you were looking for a striker who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

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Darren Bent?. Is this how far we have fallen.

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The same Darren Bent that even Aston Villa, who narrowly avoided relegation, want out?

The real AG

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03 Jul 2013 19:28:49
I come on here and the first 2 posts are about 2 different players haircuts.
How times change. Lol

MIKEY

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03 Jul 2013 19:17:37
Does Enrique really want to leave? {Ed052's Note - Hopefully}

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Haha, 52 I assume you are not a fan?

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Ed 52 I take it you are not a fan mate? He holds on to the ball far too long. Played ok at left mid but we need a left back. {Ed052's Note - I think Enrique improved last year, but still isn't good enough. Suspect defensively and wastes the ball going forward, like Johnson. But there ain't many good LBs out there at the minute.}

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03 Jul 2013 19:04:19
How miserable does JonJonJo look in the Swansea picture?

I reckon it's partly his attitude that got him moved on, if he doesn't mature a bit he will never realise his full potential

All the best lad

SwissRed in Toronto

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That is too funny, as I was just thinking I have never seen a more depressed individual.

From that "being Liverpool" show, looked like he had a lot of red pride- so I can imagine he is bummed. {Ed030's Note - You might be right although I think all the players would have been told to not show any attitude issues or anything like that as it would look bad on the club,Sterling is a different situation. }

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03 Jul 2013 19:01:56
Are there any buy back or sell on clauses in JonJonJo's deal?

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03 Jul 2013 19:00:12
No search function option?
Ohhh nooo!
That means I'm going to have to ask the same question every hour on the hour.
I'll start right now in fact:
Who is Jonjo Shelvey's hairdresser?

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Ctrl FSG guys, ctrl F

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03 Jul 2013 20:00:38
Jay Spearing me thinks.

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03 Jul 2013 18:54:11
Has anyone seen Martin Kelly's new haircut, he looks like Jonas Olsson lol.

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Don't think you can call it a cut looks like he hasn't cut or washed it in a year

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03 Jul 2013 18:28:39
So then. carrol gone, shelvey gone, most probably spearing out the door this week. 4 new lads in and the current spend is a few mill with an aparent kitty of 20 mill.
I can see enough cash to get the armenian.
Then as rodgers says, add a defender. hopefully with the sale of downing or reina or skrtyl.
Im happy were getting things done early, what with the slaphead granny sh*gger getting wound up with the mancs. which will hopefully drag on til the last minute.
And another thing. why oh why did he pick the granny?

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03 Jul 2013 18:27:36
Even when suarez leaves we have strongest squad since 08/09 season. Our attack looking awesome as we can expect goals from Sturridge, Aspas, Borini, Mkhitaryan(if joins), Alberto, Coutinho and I am sure Stevie will bang couple of them so will Hendo and sterling. Stop moaning about Suarez he is gone. We will be threat on goal from all positions. Hope we sort our defence and we will be top four contenders. Be positive!

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Just been watching lfctv and it showed a math where we beat the toffees 3-2 with garry mac's wonder free kick. That squad was truly awful. Only gary mac and carra would get into our current squad! I think we've done some great business so far I do hope we get mickey but og well if we don't in brendan we trust! Good job eds on the site. Some of these posters must do you nut in! Ynwa

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03 Jul 2013 20:14:52
How dare you be positive?

Every player is pants, BR is pants, Ayre is pants, FSG are pants,
How can the club sell Shelvy who is pants?

And no doubting the new signings are all pants.
Aspas? Midget.
Alberto? Young midget.
Mignolet? Midget.
Toure? Old midget.

Before anyone thinks am serious am just joking.

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03 Jul 2013 18:14:35
i think suarez will stay for at least another season, and I would be made up if he does, yes he talked about real madrid but he never bad mouthed Liverpool fc or the fans, maybe he was just warning the papers and the fa that he willl leave if he does not get treated the same way as other footballers, we can all see his point on this, he knows as we the fans know he is a world class player who is unplayable and he is saying to the papers any more and we lose his talent which might have a knock on effect to other top players, that's the way I see it anyway, if we have suarez, sturridge, couthino and mickey in the same team then that team will go places, all these players are fast and good passes of the ball and the all can score,

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C'mon would you really be saying the same if he had spoken about Man U like he has about Real Madrid? He has 4 years left on his contract and is looking for an escape route i.e. blaming press, F.A. opposing fans etc, when the reality is that if he had done his job properly and not disgraced his employers he wouldn't have missed a third of last season through bans. Yes he is world class albeit for 1 season but is a liability and always leaves the team open to finishing with 10 men. Sell him for what we want for him and buy a player with a decent attitude!

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Yeh let's sell our world class number 7 and bring in someone with average ability but who's a really great lad.

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Dickie you mean buy a player like MK who hast just gone on strike?. Yeah that's the kind of attitude we want.

Most of you were all backing him through his silly moments but as soon as he wants to leave to win things you turn on him, hypocrisy is sickening.

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We can only sell him when someone meets our valuation. We are in a strong position. He's not burnt his bridges completely so staying really isn't out of the question. Napoli stuck their guns on Cavani and look like getting their fee. Suarez baggage will Reduce his value compared to his Uruguay teammate but Liverpool will demand 50m (and accept 40) knowing that's what effectively his 2 replacements HM and possibly Benteke or Muriel would cost combined. He may just have to sweat it out on 150k per week at Anfield next season though. And we'll forgive him if he scores and we win. That's football.

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Dickie,

im not saying he is an angel, but as was said about rooney and cantona if you take that side away from them then they would not be the players they are, plus before the biting he had calmed down and was not even diving, but months before the end of the season stevie g said suarez will be the best player not to win player of the seaon, after all bale only started playing well for the last 4 months off the season, at one point a few weeks ago when suarez was coming out with these remarks one site had 6 headline stories of the same thing, plus are you saying suarez is wrong and he has not been treated differently, defoe got a yellow card for biting suarez got 10 games, I bet you was one of the fans saying he was not a natural goal scorer but a scorer of great goals, IMO he is in the top 5 strikers in the world, and if he did not get banned at the end of the season he would have won the golden boot, insyead of the manc goal machine in RVP

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Mickey b

I am not patronising you and we are both reds but my whole point was that should he really be biting anyone in a game? is that the player you would want in our team however good and despite him expressing his wish to leave. I have no doubt he would have won player of the year BUT he was banned. Again. I have not heard Gerrard speaking out in his defence since his biting and like you I think he is world class and naturally as most of his goals are scored on instinct. I just feel that never in the history of our great club has anyone behaved like him. You can be world class without being disturbed and then you set a proper example to our future generation. He dragged the image of the game and the club down last season despite all his goals and that is what people see and remember. Any views from eds on subject as this topic will surely raise its head in the near future?

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03 Jul 2013 18:08:47
Am I the only one that thinks that 6 mil for shelvey is not bad business? Although he has one cap, he is still an u21 international, he by no means was a regular for us last season and fundamentally has not progressed as the manager I'm sure would have liked. He is slow, wreckless, a yellow card waiting to happen and doesn't appear to (certainly in matches) have a great work ethic. I'm not doubting the boy has talent. He is a great striker of a ball, can hit the Hollywood ball and see a pass but how many times has he actually changed a game? And how many times should he have scored and bottled it that could have actually won us games?

In all reality he would not have been a first choice this season and would it have been worth keeping him here and let his value depreciate. I doubt we would have got more for him even if he had a good season on loan elsewhere so once again no value in it. Personally I don't think he was mobile or quite simply good enough to be a regular for so would rather have the money to help fund further purchases.

Just hope luis alberto is better!

Cheers
Greggers

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03 Jul 2013 17:52:03
Gutted about jonjo, all the best son. Hope we got a buy back clause

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03 Jul 2013 17:51:38
Eds.it now been reported that we haven't bidded or look even likely too in the near future for hm do u think its now dead in the water ynwa reddave {Ed052's Note - Who are you on about? Mickey? Then what you say is wrong, because we've bid for him, and had discussions}

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Why have Shaktar oficially announced that the only bid they have recieved is from Dortmundt? {Ed052's Note - to get more money from us, perhaps. }

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03 Jul 2013 17:44:43
Hi Eds

Are any clubs interested in Nacer Chadli? I think I read a while back that Swansea were looking at him. Quality little player, think he would do well in the Prem, has a good record in Holland and for the Belgium National team and is still only 21! Would love us to make a move for, good delivery and can take a free kick as well. Hard working little player, think he would really suit our style of play.

Thanks in advance. {Ed052's Note - I cant say use the search function, can I? Swansea have bid, according to his agent. We haven't had interest for a while}

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Dangerous that eds. see youve taken off the search function, I suppose for maintenance. be prepared for loads of stupid questions from loads of nobs

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03 Jul 2013 17:36:37
Good luck Jonjo always a legend for telling purple nose where to go.

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Remembering him just for that one moment is exactly why he 's been shipped out mate.

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Mighty reds and there is me thinking he would be a legend for being the new stevey g ahahah

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If he was shipped out for that reason, why are we hanging on too suarez?

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Was still quality though!

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I agree with both posts

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He scored a beauty against Manchester United in a reserves game aswell, good player, I thought Brendan liked him but obviously he see's more than we do everyday and thought best to sell him, good luck.

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03 Jul 2013 17:20:52
So far impressed with BR's dealing.

Out go Shelvey and Carroll for £21m

In come Alberto, Toure, Aspas & Mignolet £22m

He hasn't really made a dent in his transfer budget so HM is still on the cards.

Still has to sell Spearing for 2m or so, possibly Reina going for 9m, Coates for 5m and possibly Slrtl too leaves plenty to cover CD and other signings.

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03 Jul 2013 17:18:04
I'm not suprised the balance sheet at the club is always in the red we buy big & sell cheap. Swansea got £15million for Allen we get 6million for Shelvey. Players of similar age, ability. If anything I think Shelvey has the better future prospects. Yet we always pay more than market value but sell too cheap.

Kris Halifax Red.

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Yes. I've always thought this. Each has their own opinion on Shelvey, for me £6M is too cheap. I'd have hoped for 8-10£M for him. He's still young, has talent and think could blossom at a club where his playing time was assured.

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How much did we buy shelvey for and how much did we sell him for? Think we paid less than we sold him for. {Ed030's Note - We paid about £2m and we will recieve around £6m }

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I agree with that Kris. We should have held out for more as Shelvey is only 21 and is a full England international. Swansea would have wanted more than what they got for Allen from us.

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Allen was a pivotal member of the Swansea team that lit up the league in their first season. He was lauded all season every everyone.Can't really say the same fro Shelvey. We did pay over the odds for Allen. Bredan apparently said he wouldn't go back and when he did he went for their

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Allens a much better player for starters, with better prospects.
Shelvey was not needed and we managed to end up making a profit on him so I fail to see the problem or why it's allens fault.

MIKEY

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Once again someone misses the point. Shelvey was never first choice and has actually moved down the pecking order after recent signings and hopefully the imminent signing of HM. Allen was an integral part of Swansea's first team so we had to offer more to persuade them to part with him. Shelvey has no future at Liverpool so to make a 4 mil profit on a player that will never play and therefore not contribute to our future success is good business.

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The difference is we are selling players that we don't wone, that's why we have to sell cheap, and jo Allen was best player for Swansea they did not wone sell him, only a sily offer could price him away. We made that sily offer and we got him.

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And what impact did Allen make? I'm not just concerned about the Shelvey deal its the transfer deals full stop. The Carroll deal is frightening. I know he wasn't good enough but how many other buisnesses could lose between 15 & 20million depending on what you read in the press. If Reina goes (I hope he doesn't) the fee will more than likely be less than what we paid for Mingolet even though Reina is in my opinion a more experienced better goalkeeper. The bottom line is we always buy high sell low. Football wise Suarez must be rated higher than Torres so I wouldn't sell him for any less than £50million. I'll be very interested to see how much he goes for if he gets his wish to leave. (I hope he stays.) but with his baggage we'll probably end up with around £30million.

Kris Halifax red.

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It's not about whether he's first choice or not being Liverpool (Brendan to jonjo your going to be a big player for me big build him up chats.) we all know if we sell Henderson, Downing we will take massive hits on the money we spent on them. It's about getting value for money. My prime example we sell Risse to Roma for 4million a proven premier league player (not the best but steady.) we then pay 7million for Andrea Dossena (who I wouldn't have paid in brass washers.) he was useless. Not to forget Aquilani. These buy high sell low has been going on with all the managers in the last 15 years.

Kris Halifax red.

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15m on Allen in 5 yrs will look good value if he has Carricks influence at United ( he was more expensive allowing for inflation) Shelvey will prove to be a 6m player and no more. Moderate success at a decent Prem side - the odd flash but nothing to elevste him to elite level.Too slow, too inconsistent and believes he can boss big boys games like he did as a kid when he can't. Name me 3 games in his Anfield career when he was awesome/really impressive.

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Ed030 Swansea paid 2million for Michu do you think they would let us have him for 5million. Villa 7miliion for benteke do you think they would sell for 10milion? No they wouldn't they would want massive fees. We should get better deals. Borini will be the next 1 to go for less than we paid for him that's a certainty. {Ed030's Note - I wasn't making a point I was just telling the poster the facts. }

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You name me 3 from Allen. I'm not comparing the players to be honest but there is no way Allen is worth 10million more than Shelvey. & I know that's not the Kids fault. Think about that logically 10 million more!

Kris Halifax red.

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03 Jul 2013 22:58:07
I will name you 5 from allen.
I could name 10. You prove your fickle.
Borini? Anyone who mentions borini as a flop has a serious lacking of brain cells.

City at home, Man of the match
Utd at home, Absolutely brilliant
Norwich away, If suarez didn't get a hatrick he would've been man of the match.
Wigan at home, Brilliant
Zenit at home, Brilliant
Tottenham at home the only Big team we beat was when Joe Allen was introduced.
I could mention 5 others if that wasn't enough!
I'm not fickle you see, I watch all the games, win, draw or loose.

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Kris you are still missing the point! You can't compare valuations like that. We don't want Shelvey and its hard to hold out for a high fee when the player is obviously not wanted and not good enough for your team. If someone came in for Agger, Coutinho or Sturridge for example then I'm sure we would be demanding much higher fees as they are integral to our plans and we need to be compensated for that. As we are holding out for a high fee for Suarez. And why would we hold on to Carroll when we don't want him regardless of what we paid for him?! Paying his huge wages to sit on the bench?! We got what we could for him and moved on. When you look at it we actually did well if we use your 'comparing values' idea. We paid 12 mil for Srurridge and sold Carroll for 15 mil. Sturridge is miles better than Carroll! Yet if Sturridge had just banged in 30 goals for Chelsea and was their number 1 striker then they would've been asking for a hell of a lot more than 12 mil! The point is every transfer is different and it's never as easy as saying 'if he's worth that then he's worth that'. It just doesn't work that way.

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Kris has a point even though he exaggerates a bit. we are notoriously bad regarding transfers. to the point that all clubs that deal with us know we will pay more and accept less.

this is why the purchase of Coutinho last January is celebrated; and why we like to recall the bargains of Hyypia and Dagger

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I do understand. I just don't like the fact that we seem to spend a lot more on players who when we sell always go cheaply its not about the Shelvey deal its all the deals. I know we did very well with the Sturridge & Coutinho moves but they are some of the better ones in the past few seasons. I also understand that because we are Liverpool when we enquire about a player the price goes up. That said I still think we sell too cheaply regardless of wether the player is wanted or not. I only want the best for the club & the team so let's all hope thing are heading in the right direction & we can aim a bit higher than 7th.

Kris Halifax red.

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03 Jul 2013 17:14:16
Any real updates on Mkhitaryan or is it all guesswork still.

If we are selling spearing for 3million today our net spend is practically £0! not too shabby that!

Red {Ed052's Note - Nothing new}

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Thats what we have become under fsg sell to buy club u will never win the league or get cha, ps league football with that policy ee are run like a small team but most reds seem more happy balancing the books than winning trophies we are turning into blackpool preston wolves big clubs that have just can't compete any more we need nig money to get back at the top table not pennypinching yanks {Ed052's Note - Sell to buy? Where did you get that idea from?!}

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I agree

Sell rubbish to buy dynamite. Loving this sell to buy routine. Save 60k a week wages on one keeper and replace with one equally as good. Replace one experienced centreback aged 35 with one aged 32 who's actually won the title! Replace an on-loan striker who had no impact on our team last season with a striker who single-handedly kept his side in La Liga ( oh and on half Carrolls wages) and replace a headless chicken with a lad who looks to have more class. Even neutrals who hate Liverpool are saying to me that we've been smart in the transfer market and we could be top 4 keeping Suarez or replacing him with a real talent.

Kidder

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03 Jul 2013 17:08:01
Hey eds, not rumour related but I've bein looking on this site now for the past 2-3 years an u guys do great work its like a full time job I was wondering how all this stared up and how many eds there is and how come u guys are in the know, sorry if I'm being to nosey I'm just really curious. Cheers

Dub red {Ed052's Note - It started about a decade ago (I believe - although Ed001 is very forgetful). Its evolved from the one main site. ITs very busy, but not a job for us, no money, just time consuming abuse ;) I cant tell you that... But do you think its just a coincidence Twitter and this website started at the same time, and we get defensive when Twitter is mentioned as a source?...}

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03 Jul 2013 16:59:39
Just looking through the photos from Melwood first days training and I got a real sad feeling not seeing Carra stood with Stevie - he will be massively missed by me as a fan and I'm sure by the team!

I also noticed a lot of talking between Toure, Gerrard and Rodgers it may have been a focal point for the photographer but it got me thinking that Rodgers might want Toure to be vice Captain I hope not as I think Agger has earned that right!

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03 Jul 2013 18:48:31
You got that impressions from a photo?lol

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03 Jul 2013 16:58:19
Can those up in arms please tell me why you're so angry Shelvey is leaving? Yes he may turn out to develop into a good player but there is no room for him in the team as it stands. Coutinho, Alberto and Suso are all ahead of him for that No.10 spot he wants to play in. Rather than bench him for a whole season and stunt his development we've don't the smart thing and sold him for a profit. It's a good move for all parties and only persons won't realise that.

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How do you know Alberto and Aspas could turn out to be balls?

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Shelvey is rubbish mate.

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Adios wing nut, maybe youll stop pretending to be Yul Brynner, and get on with being K ojak, who loves yer baby. Incidentally. Steve Austin cost less.

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I said all along that Alberto was bought to replace Shelvey, he was given the opportunity last season and failed to deliver.I believe Alberto will be the real deal with development, and a much better team player.Good luck though, Jonjo.

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03 Jul 2013 16:49:55
Alvaro Negredo Eds? I hear City are looking and I wondered if there was any chance of Ian Ayre and the lads taking an interest. Would be a great replacement for a certain someone, and I imagine he wouldn't be in excess of £15 mil {Ed052's Note - No. He isn't good enough. Poor touch, and not the quickest}

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03 Jul 2013 16:42:21
I think Skrtel will stay at Liverpool with him and agger being 1st choice CB pair this season! Would of liked us to sign that young Greek defender papa from shalke 04 but doesn't seem to be happening!

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03 Jul 2013 16:37:06
Jonjo Shelvey has signed for Swansea, good luck to him in the future, hope he does really well, especially in Swansea's opener against Manutd.

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03 Jul 2013 16:28:54
Heard Liverpool are interested in highly-rated Spanish U21 left back Alberto Moreno from Seville. It is thought BR is seeking more competition for current left back Jose Enrique.
Watched the lad in the U21 tournament and have to say he would be an absolute steal for us. Again!

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I heard that enrique wants to leave. and if we sign a left back, enrique will b sold
so i'm guessing there won't be 2 left backs dis season
digne was our first choice to replace enrique which now looks unlikely

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03 Jul 2013 16:24:36
Shelvey confirmed on the official site - sold to Swansea. Good luck to him.

RobInRed

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Thats what he got for saying lfc fans know nothing he might be right but think it and say nothing .

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03 Jul 2013 16:23:02
Any interest in downing? Not selling him is inexcusable, unless there are no takers, which wouldn't surprise me. {Ed052's Note - Only unconfirmed interest}

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03 Jul 2013 17:51:31
"not selling him is inexcusable"

So we should just take £1m for him then? After all, he would then be sold, wouldn't he?

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To make way for better and younger players, yes. He brings nothing to the team. Is a detriment both offensively and defensively and prevents our youth from playing. He must go.

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03 Jul 2013 16:20:56
Possible Departures:

Pepe Reina - It seems more and more likely Mignolet will be the No.1 keeper next season meaning it will be likely Reina will move. Its sad, but its the right time.

Sebastian Coates - For Uruguay he seems a decent player, he hasn't proved it at LFC ide think he will certainly move this summer. Anything around £5million would be great considering he hasn't played for a while.

Oussama Assaidi - He will move for around £3million, certainty.

Jay Spearing - He has played well on loan at Bolton, making him a attractive signing for lower PL and top Championships side around £2-3million will be enough.

Fabio Borini - Injury has plagued the young Italian, and for that reason I think giving him another season or atleast until January to prove himself. If this is not the case around £5-7million will produce a loss.

Luis Suarez - let's just wait and see.

Already Gone: Carragher(ret.), Carroll(£15.5mil), Shelvey(£5mil) {Ed052's Note - Borini wont be leaving}

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Reina will leave at the end of this coming season, as agreed when Ayre was in Barcelona in June, good luck to him, all parties seem happy with this .

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I would replace Borini with Downing, Suarez with Skrtel and Reina with Pacheco and Flanagan in the departure list.

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03 Jul 2013 16:18:16
Shelvey signs for Swansea for £6million.

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03 Jul 2013 16:17:13
Shelvey is a done deal and Ince transfer by the weekend, nice 10 million to the transfer kitty.Puts us in the black so far this summer.

Clee Red

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03 Jul 2013 16:08:06
Been told Times journo Rory Smith is on tv Radio at 5pm. My mate works there and says Smith reckons Liverpool have done unbelievable business getting 21m for Carroll & Shelvey and apparently he has something on LFC targets!

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03 Jul 2013 16:08:03
good luck Jonjo YNWA

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03 Jul 2013 16:05:52
Shelvey to Swansea done. About £6m.

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03 Jul 2013 15:59:45
Shelvey gone, cheers Jonjo and good luck pal.

Bridgy07

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Bridgy07,
I've noticed you seem to get info early.
Not asking you to reveal how but have you heard anything in regards to any imminent incomings?
Cheers man.

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03 Jul 2013 15:56:59
Shelvey to Swansea complete. Official announcement should be made in next half hour

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03 Jul 2013 15:46:22
I seem to be in the minority by saying that I'm sad to see JonJo go. I think he was very promising, probably our best player in pre-season (pre-season I know), but still. 21 with bags of potential; I think a loan move would have suited him and the club. Oh well, good luck to him. Let's also not forget he gave Alex Ferguson a mouthful of abuse after being sent off, I think we all felt that was nice to see, even if he was sent off, jus' saying.

Fergus_Red

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03 Jul 2013 15:38:57
hello eds, do you think lfc will be intetested in Eriksen in case Mhkitaryan deal will not be completed?or is there interest in another attacking midfielder from lfc?thanks for info.czech red {Ed052's Note - We're interested in Eriksen, but I doubt we will sign him. I don't know of any interest in other CAMs at the minute.}

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03 Jul 2013 15:10:35
i think the sale of shelvey and how little it is, shows we need to get rid of players, we call all see that shelvey is going to be a very good player, after all he is only 20 or something like that so he is still developing, he got a few goals while on loan, so he will get better, but I think the fee is too small 8 at the least we should have accepted, its a pity we can't get rid of downing, some fans say he did well near the end of the season so out of 2 seasons he has done well in other fans eyes and they want to keep him because he done better for 4 months of the end of last season, its ok then that he played like a sunday league player for a season and a half, that shows how much our expectations have gone down, the sooner he goes the better

mikey b

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03 Jul 2013 14:36:32
People moan because we won't spend big on player, yet they moan mickey will cost too much, guess fsg can't win no matter what they do. Let's just be thankful we didn't end up like portsmouth and get behind the owners, manager and team, and give any players we sign a chance no matter the price tag.

Walton red

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03 Jul 2013 14:33:30
Hey Eds where has the search function gone? Was going to look up if there was any latest news on Sakho. {Ed052's Note - There's nothing new on Sakho.}

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03 Jul 2013 13:27:18
Serious question for the eds? Which came first the chicken or the ed? JimBob

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JonJo the egg came first

Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

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Always the chicken.

It was as a result of the bile the chicken was posting that the requirement came to be for an Ed to moderate said chicken.

Hence Jeebers willed an Ed into existence, and the rest is poultry.

Z

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03 Jul 2013 13:22:51
Jonjo at Swansea for talks right now do you think this could be softener for Williams transfer?
Also getter bored of the Suarez chat if we going to sell him do it quick in invest in a top player, it will all resurface in January etc
Also pretty sure downing will be off aswell

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Why, does jonjo handle our transfer negotiations, seems a lot of responsibility for such a young lad!

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03 Jul 2013 13:07:54
thought the policy was to buy young british players and sell them on for profit. shelvey not earning anything on him at 6m bought Wilson for 5m and let him go for free and people on here saying we need to balance the books to buy a team of unknown foreigners who's next Sterling?

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Danny Wilson didn't cost 5 million, it was 2 million with add ons - which, I presume as he hardly played, added up 2 thirds of nothing.

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03 Jul 2013 15:28:14
We got Shelvey for under 2 million, and got Wilson for a similar price I'm pretty sure

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You can't profit if they're not good enough. Plus I believe the policy is buy young players that will improve and increase in value nothing to do with British or foreign.
If they are not going to play they are just getting unhappy and running down their contracts sell while there is value in them. Wilson not good enough shelves does not suit the football we are playing but I think he will do well elsewhere good luck to them

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Clueless. Wilson cost about £2.4 million and wasn't good enough to make it at LFC. Shelvey cost just over £1.7 million and we are selling him for £6 million.

Take your personic behavior elsewhere.

The real AG

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We bought Shelvey for £1.2 million.

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"not earning anything on him at 6m"

Shelvey:
Paid £1.7m
Got £6m

Then again, you can prove anything with facts.

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We did not buy Jonjo for 6 million? did we? I thought it was 2 million. {Ed052's Note - 1.2 I think mate, or something a bit lower than 2. And Wilson didn't cost 5 either haha}

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Shelvey cost 1.7m with add-ons, Wilson cost 2, with 3 in add-ons depending on appearances etc. (which I doubt we paid much of because he barely played for us). I'd guess we've not far off broken even with those 2, and, they're no longer on the club's wage bill. In both cases they have proved to not be quite at the level that is required at Liverpool. Hopefully the scouts, Brendan and the committee have done their jobs well this time and we have unearthed some potential gems. We'll soon find out.

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6million - 1.7million (approx.) = 4.3million profit

Simple maths!

Also, just think of the money we will save on head polish!

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I thought we paid £1.7m for JonJonJo and £1m for Wilson?
You never know, Sterling might be next (on loan) as the club value Ibe as a better prospect.

MUSHROOM

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03 Jul 2013 16:21:09
wasn't it something like 2.7million we gave for jonjo?

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You obviously don't know much, shelvey was bought for 1.7m and Wilson 1m so 4.3m profit. Simple

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Shelvey was 1.7 we sold at 7 profit at any man's table

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03 Jul 2013 12:53:38
Hey eds. I don't agree with the selling of jonjo shelve one bit. A loan move to a premier league club would have been much better. He has shown that he has talent but needs consistency and discipline . I hope we don't regret this in the future but I think we might. best of luck to jonjo, I always thought he was on for the future

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Sorry I don't see Jonjo being a world class player attacking midfielder anytime soon. He has ability but I think his attitude is wrong and he tends to panic in the last 3rd. I also think that the advanced midfield role the BR plays is a crucial role & jonjo is nowhere near SG, Coutinho & Suso . If we get Mickey or Eriksen then he will not play at all.

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All about opinions but have to disagree, if Shelvey was as good as he thinks he is he'd be a world beater.He struts about the park with all the arrogance of the main man.he isn't unfortunately, good luck to him though this might be the kick he needs.

Knievel

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03 Jul 2013 11:42:25
Hello Eds,
any news on any more outgoings?
Shelvey should be out be the weekend.

What about the others like Spearing, Assaidi, Downing, Coates, Skrtel, Flannagan and Pacheco?
Any interest shown in them. {Ed019's Note - There are teams interested in the names given}

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Ed019,
Could Liverpool buy the attacker and defender Brendan Rodgers has mentioned, then sell the players mentioned above and that be the end of their planned transfer window?

After that, Liverpool would need to look at Pepe Reina and Luis Suarez and find replacements if they leave. {Ed019's Note - Sure, the plan is to get the majority of business done early}

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03 Jul 2013 12:38:24
Bodger strikes again. I believe Shelvey will be a big loss in the years to come. While according to our esteemed philosopher Allen will be our biggest asset - the welsh Xavi. I have 3 names in an envelope of the people who will let down our beloved club this year. Guess who??

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Do you not remember allen in the first few games of the season. He was one of our best players in a under strength side. with a full pre-season he will be a major player for us this season. Be a bit more optimistic. a fan is suppose to support the team not rip it apart!

Ynwa

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Have you put your name in those envelopes?

You should have!

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I don't think so. Shelvey won't make it he's too much of a sulk.

He doesn't have right mentality. To me this is good business. Sell shelvey for 6 and buy alberto for 6.7 mill. Great piece of business.

plus we only paid 1.7 for shelvey.

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".and Shelvey has missed."

be it playing for LFC or England, this was a common comment

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Is your name one?

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And what club are we talking about? Can't imagine you're Liverpool Red with your attitude towards our manager and players. I, a bit like yourself really, like JonJo, however I can't really remember him setting the world alight when he has been given a chance.

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Joe Allen = The Welsh Leon Britton.

Disney!

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Were those 3 names ever revealed, even privately to the players?

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It's absolutely ridiculous the way so-called fans are having a go at Allen. You'd think of all fans, Liverpool fans should know to give players time but no, there always has to be someone in the team to stick the knife into. It's almost like it's 'cool' to dislike Allen, it really is sad and pathetic. Grow up.

DP

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03 Jul 2013 13:31:43
A complete waste of a post.

Shelvy is a waste of space. He will never get faster! Stop being so fickle and unsupportive it's very very boring.
Can't believe some people actually understand nothing about football economics!

We have to move on players to bring in better players.

And ofcourse you couldn't leave Allen alone, you just had to prove what a fickle unsupportive person you are.

Yawn

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One of the names in that envelope has to be yourself, you're delusional if you think Shelvey is worth keeping

100% Cotton

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Are you kidding me? It doesn't matter how talented you are when you put forth 50% effort when out there. He doesn't listen to the manager either. Stop bashing Rodgers because he clearly knows more than you. And is paid to know more than you

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I think your name should be in one. just support the players we have and let the people at the club do their jobs.

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Waro, Harry Scouser and yourself?

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I hope one of the names is 'the fans'

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BR
BR
BR

Thats my envelope what yours?

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Possibly you yourself and your dog.we shoud be backing our manager instead of trying to bash him.Get behind our team no matter who is in the team and push them all the way to the top.Ynwa

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'3 names in an envelope' - ali, baba, inoz?

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Be interesting to see if you could list his good points, because I personally think he will never be good enough for Liverpool, even the swans fans don't want him

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He had plenty of chances this season to turn games around ( Zenit for example) and couldn't manage to hit the target, let alone score. He may be technically and physically decent but his mentality isn't up to par. Read Walsh's piece on him available on Espn soccernet, it will give you some hindsight.
FrenchLFC

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Jonjo is utter sh*t and so is Allen. Henderson and Coutinho will be on another level to both of them in a few years so don't worry pal

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I can make a pretty accurate guess.
1) Ali
2) Baba
3) Inoz
Shelvey many a times lacked the attitude to play for a top 4 team. He was rash in possession and in the tackle, indisciplined in attack etc
He did have a great potential, but we're at a phase where we just can't wait for potential to be realised without it showing any signs of blossoming. I'm afraid Shelvey had come to a standstill in regards to his development and Liverpool have been ruthless (rightly so) in making sure we have the right crop of players with that eye for a killer ball and goals in them.
Also, for a man who brought the likes of Coutinho and Sturridge in January, and VERY EXCITING players like Alberto and Aspas, he certainly knows what he wants.
Stop criticising every move the club makes.
RedSox69

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03 Jul 2013 12:37:26
Hi ed's, do you still expect tello to be coming in on loan now we have aspas and alberto? plus any news on a cb and a lb as I think we need cover for Enrique? Thanks

Ynwa {Ed002's Note - I don't know which Ed has told you to expect Tello.}

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Sorry ignore the "still" word. lol

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03 Jul 2013 12:23:33
Hello AGAIN everyone!

Sorry, on a bit of a mission somewhat today as I haven't posted much of late. Had a few points I wanted to raise

Can I firstly commend FSG, Brendan Rodgers and even (cant believe i'm saying it) Ian Ayre for actioning the transfers early and executing deals for all targets up to now, great work! i'm sure the minorities will have their FSG OUT flags swinging above their heads if HM doesn't sign but for now its good to see some support and good news on here!

I made a point earlier about Henderson, who is a player I greatly admire. He aquires drive, hunger, determination and posseses hard work, ability and leadership things which I don't think have come on a plate for him. His hard work stands out a mile, he has earned all these things not by meirt but by his attitude and will to succeed. Its not any suprise to me that he has now earned a place in BR's plans.

Shelvey however has shown what appears to be the total opposite and again, its no suprise to see how he has ended up. No doubt, ability wise he has everything, but hard work and drive looks to be something he has very little of. The only times he's looked interested waw this time last year in pre season and parts of our Europa League campaign. He doesn't look a player though willing to fight for his place and I don't think he is willing to put the hard work in to be a regular. I remember against Chelsea last year he came on as a sub after being left out for weeks after the game against Stoke. He came on with shrugged shoulders, head was down and looked totally dis heartened and lacked any kind of belief. Yesterday, he looked asif he was sad to report back to work like a kid coming back off school holidays. that's kind of mentality isn't wanted by Liverpool and has become incresingly aparent in young Brittish players these days.

Henderson I remember didn't feature for a few weeks. Was given a opportunity by BR and not only did he score a goal but got a fans MOTM and looked asif he had a point to prove. When he scored his goal, he celebrated as if it was the first goal he had ever scored and all the frustrations and hard work were vented out in this. It was a great moment to see a player that passionate and that driven and most importantly take his chance when it came to him!

30% comes down to ability, The rest of it is hard work, detirmination and drive which I think Shelvey lacks. So before people start to question BR for his decision to let Shelvey move on, i'm in full agreement of the decision and think it would benefit both parties for a move. Those who think Hendo shoudl move on should really look at the bigger picture.


Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

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Good post, couldn't agree more

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You talk a lot about how poor shelvey is now that it looks like he's on his way out of the club yet you didn't mention much about him before (cheap dig), also you bum up henderson as if he's the new xavi, when in reality he's o.k. but I spose if hendo where to leave you could always change your tune and give it to him in the neck aswell

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Shelvey always made me poo myself a little with every tackle. His timing was atrocious. Surprised he hasn't seriously hurt someone yet!

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Great post!

Drigan

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What?

Every time I have seen Shelvey play he gets stuck in.

Can't say the same about Allen

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If you want to critisize my post at least sign it at the end.

I've mentioned nothing of Shelvey before this because there was simply nothing to mention, he gave no indication of progress or even wanting to progress.

And hows praising a player that's recently been giving his all bumming him up as the new Xavi? I think certain players like Henderson are getting over looked and personally think he deserves some plaudits, is that okay with you?

Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

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Why do people who disagree with what someone says not post their bloody name at the end?
Infuriates me.
Well posted Sam! I am of the very same opinion.
RedSox69

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Whats in a name?

Whats so important about signing?

Vampires trousers

Happy Now!

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03 Jul 2013 12:14:48
HM is in Armenia waiting for the call from Liverpool, the deal has been put on hold - no idea why.

I guess they may want to assess the Suarez situation before full committing to HM.

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03 Jul 2013 18:00:01
Does that mean that plane he's been on for the past fortnight has finally landed?

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03 Jul 2013 19:06:38
Its sure has pal for re-fuelling.

ACHILLES.

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03 Jul 2013 11:56:24
Ed what is happening with Higuan? Has Arsenals interest cooled?

Red87 {Ed002's Note - Try the Arsenal page.}

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03 Jul 2013 11:54:28
To be honest a fully fit Agger, and a fully fit Toure, after seeing him in his limited games last season, fills me with confidence. One of the things that impressed me most last season is the medical team, they did great and hope they can keep these two fit!

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Look if Toure was that great why did Citeh let him go?

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He let them go

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03 Jul 2013 11:40:56
Brenden has said

Certainly another attacking player will really benefit us, and probably another defender. We'll see how it develops over the course of the next few months."

so does this mean mkhitaryan and sakoh.

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I guess we'l go for papadoupolus again late in the window (only if skrtel leaves)

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I imagine the am in mind is HM and def is Llori with Coates on the way out

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Llori and Micky

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Just a guess but probably means another atacking player and another defender!

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I think he means with the current squad he needs a defender and an attacking midfielder to be contented. Should players go, I guess he would try to fill the empty spaces (Skrtel, Suarez for example.)
FranchLFC

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03 Jul 2013 11:08:59
Hi Eds and fellow posters,

Peace out first.

I have been reading with interest some of the weird, wonderful, and some outrageously stupid posts, and also the baiting and abuse of fellow posters and the Eds. It’s just sad and pathetic to be honest. but still some of them do make you chuckle.

The ones that crack me up most are the "media gullibles", the ones who eat sh1t straight from brainless garbage mongering journalists and their cr4p peddling anti LFC wares, or “toilet” papers as I like to call them.

The point of my post is to a lot of the "nouveau fans", rather than the old hats who have been supporting LFC for decades rather than since the Premiership started.
All of you moaning about LFC not spending £X millions on this player or £x million on Z player seriously need to take a chill pill. LFC takes players and turn them into super. no scratch that mega stars; having had the privilege of watching some of the greatest players to grace the hallowed turf of Anfield players such as Keegan, Dalglish, Toshack, Hansen, Heighway, Neal, Souness, Molby, Barnes, Fowler etc etc were nurtured to superstardom. Yes we have spent big when necessary (Torres, Collymore, Masch, Suarez), but not always wisely (Aquilani, Carroll, Downing, Collymore (Bergkamp bought by arsenal at the same time for £7.5M); but times have changed and reality is
that UEFA (Platini) hate the english clubs, especially when they are doing well and the advent of the Sugar daddies meant that their beloved clubs such as Real etc cannot compete hence they come out with the farcical FFP (like its not going to just benefit the new super elite of Europe!).

The reality is my fellow reds the landscape has changed; who would you rather be like? A Man-United/Borussia style club self generating your income through long term strategic success on and off the pitch and getting yourself into the position where you can spend big bucks and maintain success by living within their means and avoiding getting into excessive debt?
Or A Chelski/Man city style where money is thrown around like candy, for short term gratification and the attraction of mercenary footballers, no proper grass roots investment, and huge debt?

Cheers
JFT96
RedSanity

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03 Jul 2013 11:42:09
so Manchester United have no debt maybe i'm wrong but is that not the reason there fans were considering supporting norwich for a while lol.Tommy Irish Red

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Good piece that mate, well done

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Wow great post finally.

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Couldn't agree more. We need to club to be sustainable, for the long term, not just next season, and have for the last few years been spending way beyond our means. We need to spend less, (for the most part) on players, and, we need to be paying them less. I truly believe I will be more proud of our club if we make progress through hard work, bringing in the right young players, and watching them developand mature, (with a few quality additions along the way). Than if we had owners who were prepared to chuck limitless amounts of money at the club buying (and regularly replacing) "top class" (I use that term hesitantly), players who essentially for the large part won't be at the club very long because they're established 27, 28, 29 year old pro's. We want to help create legends here, not just have great footballers.

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'The point of my post is to a lot of the "nouveau fans", rather than the old hats who have been supporting LFC for decades rather than since the Premiership started.'

I was born in 88, sort of limits my ability to see what happened before then, doesn't it? Please be careful how you word sentences such as that, just because a lot of us fans are younger, it doesn't automatically make us all glory hunters wanting £50m signings.

JFT 96

JP

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03 Jul 2013 12:52:57
Collymore was fantastic on the pitch for Liverpool

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Best post I have seen on here in a while, good common sense post,

I have always said I do not believe we have signed a player, until he is pictured on the back of the Liverpool Echo or on the Website wearing the shirt.

Steve Mc

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Good post but you made a big blunder there my friend. Utd are massively in debt thanks to the Glazers and we are talking nearly half a billion which they will be servicing for a long time. Its not about spending massive amounts on players but when the cream become available we don't buy, instead we pay over the odds on mediocre players. Please stop with the past players, Lpool could afford the majority of players then. Football has also changed Rush etc had time to develop, sadly today players don't so its no use naming past greats, many like Dalglish etc were actually expensive signings in those days.

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Dude no offence meant, I was referring to the Fantasy/Fifa fans :) not to any solid supporter. I appreciate your comment but during this period from 88-Present we have again nurtured some amazing stars but always missed that 2-3 players who could've taken us to the next level; coupled with gross mismanagement and short sightedness of the club by Moores and Parry.

And to Tommy; Man United maybe in debt thanks to the Glazer's but they generate enough income to be able to spend big and comfortably pay off their debt (imagine their spending power without that debt!).

Cheers
JFT96
RedSanity

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Good point JFT 96, for speaking up for us 88 ;>
Great post, the important thing is not how much you spend, but how you spend it. I do believe in BR, and look forward to the new season, when we will get to see whether these were money well-spend ;> And however much it hurts to say it, we should add Arsenal to the list of sustainably-run clubs, even though they have failed on so many fronts and I truly despise them.

Drigan

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Chelsea
Generate an awful lot of money

More than LFC

Before you throw stones you should look for the glass in your window.

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Jan molby "superstar" hang on a minute let's not get away with ourselves he wasnt bad but definitely not a superstar

dave

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RedSanity, you are correct. MU are in debt and to the tune of £370m, but as you say it is manageable debt which is lowering fast, with the interest payments at just £21m a year. Big difference from 2010 when it was £68.8m a year. Bigger MU revenues and smaller interest payments equals more surplus cash for transfers.

Disney!

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Bigger Mu revenues and smaller interest equals more money for the Glazers.

The Irish Rover

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That's true too Irish, they will start to take dividends one day. When our interest drops to £11m a season and we are making £500m a year (perhaps 2016) I fully expect them to take £40m or so in dividends each season. However there will always be a lot of cash for players too.

Disney!

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03 Jul 2013 10:47:13
I am actually really impressed with the way we have gone about our business this season. You have to think that it is brendans influence in terms of demanding ayre to conclude deals early. we need the squad together as soon as possible in the main so that they can have a good pre-season together and incorporate the new players. Aspas looks good, don't know too much about luis alberto but from what I heard he could be class, toure seems a sensible signing and mignolt could be one of the best in the league in te not too distant future. I think shelve going is a good bit of business, he clearly won't cut it at lpool if we are challenging for the top4, same goes for spearing, you only have to look at the teams interested in buying them to see the level that they are at. defence does need sorting still in my view, there were a lot of mistakes made last season, probably why skrtel ended up on the bench at the end of the season. top 4 a real possibility in my view. what does everyone else think?eds, do you think we have a chance of top 4?
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I agree its good to see us doing business quickly couple more signings needed to challenge for top 4 a lot depends on what happens with suarez with regards to if he stays great he will score but if he goes who is replacement to be honest think that its a priority to sort out 1 way or the other lpool should tell him u staying or going if he desperate to go then tell all clubs interested pay 40 mill now if they don't then he stays end of as Rodgers and team need to know what to plan for

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No Chance of top 4!

Much love

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I don't think top 4 is a possibility yet. We need to remember teams above us are improving as well and to top it off we haven't really improved the 1st team as of yet. Still time mind you.

If the transfer window ends with us getting Mikhi, Papadopoulos and a decent LB back-up + keeping Suarez then I reckon we have a real chance of getting there. Really feel we need to get those mentioned above and also walk away from the LLori deal as there is no point paying anywhere above 5 million for him. Rather use that money on Papa.

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03 Jul 2013 13:36:22
I agree with much love, no chance of top 4 for the spuds.
Don't understand why a deluded spud is hanging around here anyway.

Much more love

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Much love still crying eating icecream by the tub and sniffing bales knickers you didn't get top four you had your chance until Liverpool beat yis.even if spurs get to the c.l you will most likely bottle it again.loosers

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03 Jul 2013 10:41:32
some 1 said on the rumours page that some 1 going 2 sign on the 3rd on july

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Insightful.

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Some 1 seems 2 be very confident giving the 3rd, because 4 all the ITK posts we see, 5/6 of the time it is just 7th heaven dreaming and while I h8 to be a bore, I would sooner take the word of some talking K9.

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10 out of 11 for that post

SwissRed in Toronto

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Nailed it

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03 Jul 2013 10:37:40
why do we give our english players away so cheap?who else can see Liverpool buying back jonjo for 20+mil in 2/3 years time.

ince deal back on and mkhit now looks off with a move to BD

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Why on earth would you ever want shelvey back he's a clogger, Liverpool are trying to get back to how they used to play

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Got to be honest though OP is right. We go for English talent like Hendo and pay 20m which was a bit too much imo. But even kids who haven't played in 1st team or 16 year olds we are quoted 10m etc.

When we sell its for peanuts. Spearing could go for 2m, now even if you think he isn't good enough for Lpool surely he is worth more than that, even players like Ince sold at 800 plus grand seems ridiculous.

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03 Jul 2013 10:37:20
Jonjo to Swansea £6m, I.M.O this could be a mistake. Think he will become a decent player in the next year or two. Rather have loaned him out for the season.

FowlerGod.

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No mate no. Shelvey is bad. No I change that to Shelvey is the worst player to ever play for Liverpool. Makes Sean Dundee look like pele.

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03 Jul 2013 10:32:31
Just a thought to see what we all think. I know it will never happen but would LFC fans welcome the signing of Rooney? Personnally I would have him signed sealed and delivered in a second. No matter what his past is he is still quality.

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We would lose all our granny supporters and the influence they have on their grandchidren becoming reds:-)

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Pretty pointless comment he would never come to us bit like saying hope we can sign messi Ronaldo xavi iniesta and neymar

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You must be trying to wind people up surely.

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I've always felt Rooney was rather over rated myself.

Nevada

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But he's the English Pele.

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Obviously never going to happen but to answer your question I wouldn't like to see him (the player) come to us. I think he can be brilliant at times but we're talking about a 27/28 year old who's attitude has been extremely poor over the years, imo, he's money hungry and he has the physique of a fella who quite easily could be as fat as a barrell half way through a long contract. No thanks.

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No, cause he is on the decline, we need ascending players. He could become another Joe Cole.

Drigan {Ed052's Note -

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03 Jul 2013 10:30:27
Ed002, As a Liverpool supporter, and on behalf of all us Reds, I'd just like to thank you for the sterling work you do on this site.

The papers did a story this week on Roman Abramovich and the amount of money he has pumped into Chelsea. I for one, think the influx of foreign money into the Premier League is a GOOD thing, just look at the quality of players Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Man City and Liverpool always seem to attract. Ed002, Do you believe the FFP will even the playing field somewhat and will that affect other potential investors into the League?

Keep up the exceptionally good work. (some of those replies are LEGENDARY) :-) LOL

Stevie from Belfast {Ed002's Note - Thanks for the kind words. Across Europe FFP will struggle with the significantly different incomes some clubs have over the majority. Real Madrid and Barcelona earn far more than their Spanish counterparts due to, amongst other things, television money. English clubs earn far more than others due to TV money. Transfer fees in other countries can be lower because of third party ownership. Sponsorship by certain types of business are banned in some countries but available in others. it will always be tough.}

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It may be a good thing in some peoples eyes - but in truth how many already established world stars actually come to the PL, a few become, and sometimes leave as world stars, but whatever people say the PL still cannot attract them - most go to Spain, Italy or even Germany.
And who in their right mind mind wouldn't rather be watching the skills of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, Napoli, Inter and AC every week rather than the dire, not very skilful but full of effort EPL.

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John B are you serious, Germany was a dire league upto a few years ago. Italy better watching than the Prem?. your talking nonsense. Spain is a 2 horse race and most major stars go elsewhere?. again nonsense.

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Must be a few billion out of their minds as well.

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03 Jul 2013 10:28:15
Hi Eds,

What's the update with regards us and the Ince deal. Reading in the press that we are back on board for him. I thought we flogged that horse?

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03 Jul 2013 10:27:59
Any intrest in. NO! No interest whatso ever. there that should cover about 80 perecnt of the questions asked on this page. Now has anyone got any rumours, please, and I don't care how far feteched.

JJ

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There is a rumour that Brendan Rodgers is stuck on a tropical island somewhere after a mistake with his flight when he went on holiday and that he's been replaced with a brazilian look-a-like called Dante, who filled in for him in training yesterday and will continue to fill in until the manager is returned.

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I have heard it has gone even further. A Russian journalist has claimed Brendan has actually been captured by members of the local Aweeba tribe. Team America have been located and sent to rescue Mr Rodgers, so he should be flying in via Kazakhstan sometime tonight/tomorrow morning for his medical, hopefully it should be business as normal within the next couple of days.

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03 Jul 2013 10:20:51
Brendan Rodgers wants another attacking player and another defender.
I'm guessing that's Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Tiago Ilori.

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03 Jul 2013 09:55:15
Guys,

I would like to know what everyones view is on Jordan Henderson. Was extermely suprised to see he was on many peoples list of OUTS this summer.

For me personally, he's blossoming into a very good football player and is working very hard for it. I would have him down as a potential LFC captain in 4 or 5 years time.

Are people simply juding him on his ealier form, his price tag or do you simply just not rate him?


Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

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From the year before last to last year, he showed excellent progress and has chipped in with crucial goals at Udinese, Arsenal, Aston Villa. He is an excellent box to box midfielder, versatile enough to play as a tucked-in winger at times depending on the type of game and opposition.

I wouldn't sell him for £20 million now.

The real AG

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Agree with you there Sam. I think sometimes the decision making the final third could be better but he’s started to add goals to his work rate and his attitude is spot on. I think he’ll be a top player for us in years to come. I’d be extremely disappointed if we let go of him. Best, Matt

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Absolutely agree. Hope he gets more of a chance in a deeper CM role this season, battling in there. Still only 23, obviously works his socks off on the pitch and on the training ground, has the potential to be an integral figure for LFC in the coming years.

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I like Henderson. Think he’ll become a really top player. Gives 100%, great engine all over the park. Played in a few roles and never moans. Top pro. England U21 captain. Think we’re lucky to have him and with BR nurture into a good footballer.
Hate how ‘fans’ get on his back. This kid, 21/22 didn’t choose his transfer fee. Has moved from home team to a massive football club young, but so many, too many ‘fans’ moan on rather than support.
Carlo

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Anyone that knows football can see that Henderson is a vastly improved player and never fails to give 100% total commitment but is that enough at a club like Liverpool.
What's his best position? I don't think he even knows.
I feel he'll never become a first name on the teamsheet type of player at LFC and to say he'll become captain is laughable.
Think a lot fans think we would not miss him if he was sold and the funds could ensure the signing of Mickey and Papa, two players who would make a difference.
As I said I do like Henderson but feel if we are to get back where we belong, we have to be ruthless in deciding who stays and who goes and who comes in to replace them.

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That may be the difference between 'fans' and supporters right there Carlo!
In Buck we trust!

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Has come on leaps and bounds this year and has an excellent attitude and desire .problem is we have gerrard and lucas playing in CM so its not an easy position to lay claim to. do I honestly belive he could boss the midfield for the next 10 years? i'm not so sure

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HENDO SHOULD STAY.we have bought four so far and more coming and no doubt a few will be sold i'd say shelvy maybe downing and spearing but if we start selling the likes of hendo and allen and lucas which I have seen discussed at length on here do people understand that will change the whole dynamic of the team and actually stand to knock us back regardless of who replaces. the team grew last year and this window is to tweek the squad and add depth hendo is good enough for us but needs to get a bit better lucas with fitness I like personally and allen i'm not convinced yet but would not sell give the kid a chance.no more transition talk this year.we got to go for it all out

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02 Jul 2013 21:08:48
Hi mods great side. Simple request to make reading easier with the new format - is it possible to bold the date and time of the rumour

{Ed033's Note - OK let's try it and see what people think. Also the search is going to be improved

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Smart move. Also having a search bar on the mobile version rather than a link might save you guys some hassle.

Alfie

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The Agree/Disagree with replies looks great on the Rumours page.

A lot of people read everything but don't comment back so this is a good way to show comments are being noticed and people either think they make sense or not.

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03 Jul 2013 09:33:03
Good day Eds
I have been reading the post over the last few days so search function won't help with this one. Could you please answer this one for me. Who are our transfer targets. Who do you expect us (Liverpool) to make offers for before this transfer window closes. I can see what the papers are saying and what other posters are saying but they with all due respect don't have the info you guys have, so with that in mind could you please list the players you know of or expect us to try to sign this window. Thanks guys. {Ed002's Note - Everything we know is in the posts.}

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03 Jul 2013 09:05:04
Cannot work out Rodgers transfer plans? Can anyone? Stoke have signed Muniesa for FREE. Spain U21 player, played for Barca and last season regular in their B side (Luis Alberto, Tello etc not too shabby). Was at the U21 tournament. Plays LB and CB signed for free.
Ticks all the boxes for BR, young, Spanish, formed under Barca, potential, FREE, Centre back, Left back!

What we need. Cannot work him out. Hope this Ilori pays off cause eggs in one basket springs to mind if players like Muniesa are missed for nothing.
Carlo {Ed002's Note - You do appreciate that Liverpool cannot sign every player?}

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IMO Brendan, the owners and the committee will have been out scouting all year and most likely still are, will have identified targets that they are interested in, that fit a particular profile for the positions they are looking to strengthen in. They will then have shortlisted this group in terms of ability, affordability (including wage), age, and a whole host of criteria to identify their absolute top targets. Some of those have come off already. If they fail, for whatever reason to get their top target for a particular role in the squad, they will simply move on to the next best available from those identified.
My point is, the decision of which players are to be targeted, will have already been decided due to the work they have already done in the scouting and shortlisting process. They know who they want to try and bring in, just let them get on with it, trust in Buck and enjoy the rumours and the banter in the mean time.

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So the best choice of what came in for him was Stoke City? - says a lot I think.

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Playing at barca doesn't tick any boxes i'd imagine alberto is sevilla or Valencia I can't remember

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03 Jul 2013 08:53:34
Can't believe we want rid of shelvey he can be our next Gerrard we need to keep him its not as if he is on 90k a week he is one of the best English players of his age group we pay 20m for downing and hendo and sell jonjo for 6m he is worth at least 10m we get robbed every time if we was buying him at this stage we would not be quoted 6m at the worst loan him out.

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People want to sign mkhitaryan, keep suarez want top4. where will the money come from to buy the one's who will strengthen the first 11
should not expect fsg to be funding us with 50m every window and in return we still not makin it
the only thing shelvey offers is the shots from out of the box nothing else. he should have stepped up now-but he hasnt
every time you sell a youngster there is always a chance that he will turn out to be good. if he does-hard luck move on and if he doesn't fairplay

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If anyone thinks Shelvey is worth the amounts being banndied about circa 10 mill then they live in a dream world.
This lad regardless of future potential has shown nothing in the time he's been here to warrant keeping him.
hes slow, clumbersome and has the vision of a bat in the daytime.
6 mill is good business at this moment in time.
And before anyone says he's a good shot on him, so have I and i'm 57

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Agree Liverpool always get ripped off when we buy English players and we are selling 1 of the best potentially young English players for peanuts, I always thought he could be the 1 to replace Gerrard, we should of loaned him out for the season and then assessed him throughout and then made a decision, i'm gutted!

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He could be the one to replace Gerrard? Then it's too bad he can't pass, can't score, and acts surprised and befuddled when he has the ball at his feet.

Good athletic build - wrong sport. Shelvey should have chosen rugby.

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I'm sorry, but at times Shelvey runs around like a headless chicken, he's not particularly composed on the ball, vision not great, and is a liability when tackling, he doesn't even work hard enough consistently. Definitely not even in the same class as a 20/21 year old Stevie G IMO. As for getting ripped off, I think 6 mill, probably plus some add-ons is fair deal for him, about the same as we have paid for Luis Alberto, just a different type of player (ie. composed on the ball, can hit the target, fantastic vision and the ability to pass). Aspas I think will prove to be a bargain, as will Borini (if he can stay fit), at around 10m. Under Dalglish/Comolli, we overpaid without a doubt, but FSG definitely got there fingers burnt by that one and I can't see it happening again. But if we are going to be bringing more players in, we have unfortunately got to let some go to balance the books. Best wishes hope you make it Jonjo and good luck.

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Shelvey is a player that has had a good physique from a young age.
Which sort of blinded people to the fact he has very limited ability.

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He'll never make a top 4 player! good squad player but lacks in to many departments

pb

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Jonjo is an aphrodisiac for goats. What lpool need him for is beyond me.

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03 Jul 2013 08:51:39
Like to see

outs

Henderson, shelvey, spearing and downing

ins

wanyama, the armenian, sakho and atsu

Any chance of all or some of these happening?

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Yeah let's sell all our English players and buy more foreign players, we have to think about the 6 vs 5 rule that comes into force next season or two

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Hend should definately stay! I'd like to see:

Outs: Reina
Coates
Carra
Skrtel
Spearing
Shelvey
Assaidi
Downing
Carroll
Plus Ngoo Morgan Adorjan Wilson Gulaci Pacheco Wilson
Total: 55-65m

Targets:
GK: Mignolet 9m
RB CB: Toure
DM CB: Papa 16m
DM LB: Gustavo 10m
LW RW: Delefou loan and hopefully buy!
AM LW: Eriksen 12m
AM LW: Alberto 7m
RW ST: Aspas 8m

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Agree on all outs except Henderson and don't think we'll sign wanyama, sakho or atsu and not even sure we'll sign mkhitaryan.

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Reds till death - have you actually watched any of these players? I think every one would make it into my top 10 overrated players in Europe right now. Your like a teenage girl who wants to f*** some ugly geezer just because he's in a crap boy band!

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03 Jul 2013 08:40:16
We should go for these players that wealthy clubs intend to sell, with Less Fixed and high performance related wages.

They sell at Cheaper rate, as they want to ger rid of wages, and incoming players on even higher wages.

1) PSG : Gamierno, Menez.
2) Man. City : Sinclair, Dzeko.
3) Chelsea : Torress, Ba.
4) R.Madrid : Higuain, Di Maria

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But the players are all suing champs league and are on a fortune.

DCAL

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I don't think so, people are ready to go to Monaco/ Spurs / Swans without champ league.

We are still big enough name to attract atleast 3 of 6 players I mentioned.

Also reg wages, as I mentioned, large wage yes, but with fair chunk in performance related variables.

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Sorry, should have read "playing champs league" - damn predictive text.

DCAL

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The wage list was huge under benny and nearly broke us we need to operate with low waqes and then we can pay that bit extra on the transfer let's face it the wage is the real cost of a player.if there injured or out of form they still get paid weekly in regards to transfer fee once you don't pay insane fees and there young.the club can actually get a lot if not more of the fee back when they decide to sell on

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03 Jul 2013 08:23:33
It's rare that it gets mentioned, but I wanted to say fair play to FSG and Ian Ayre. I know both made plenty some mistakes in the past, but our dealings so far have been excellent.

I don't think we've overpaid for players, with one particular bargain in Aspas being signed, swiftly and efficiently. The scouting network is reaching far and wide, which will hopefully prove more fruitful than the overpriced British policy of old.

A lot will be quick to judge if we fail to sign Mkhitaryan. But there are clearly many factors beyond Liverpools control. Split party ownership, negotiating with three parties and a reluctant seller are all hard tasks. If we sign him I'll be delighted as personally I think he'd be a huge success, if he doesn't then so be it. We'll move onto other targets, but it wouldn't be through any lack of trying on our part.

It's not only new signings but sales, which have to be commended. It was a bold move loaning out AC, but with the fee paid last year; plus the potentially rising fee of £15.5 mil, Ayre has done excellently to recoup so much, from the poorest transfer in our history (Aquilani a close second). With Jonjo also likely to go fora substantial fee around £6 mil, we've certainly done well so far. Time will tell, if we hold our nerve over Suarez and sell Skrtel/Reina for substantial offers though.

It's stark contrast than last year, for Liverpool to a) being so efficient in the market (only 3 days old in reality) and b) signing players at their market value and not over paying as we have (bar Coutinho) in recent seasons.

Lets hope we land our targets in the weeks to come and have a settled, hungry squad for the season to come.

Papa G

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Good post Papa.

K79

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03 Jul 2013 09:20:39
Your right on the owners and ayre, they are/have done an excellent job hoodwinking the starry eyed and gullible on here, wait until the end of the window and we will show a health profit on transfers in and out, only trouble being we will have just average or slightly above average players in that squad. If your happy with that then fair enough, results and league position will level off or regress. That's not what I want to see for my club but where all entitled to our opinion, but I think your in for a dissapointing season ahead if we continue shopping in the bargain basements of europe looking for cheap and cheerful. You get what you pay for! Again hats off to F$G, the masses appear to have bought into your spin and propaganda, be careful though because your being monitored very closely.

Waro {Ed002's Note - Still conveniently brushing aside the £1M a week losses they have been picking up the tab for since they arrived again Waro? It was always going to be the case that the club would need to move toward being more self-sufficient - all clubs are needing to do it.}

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Good post man but I miss patpoon so much.

wynnum red

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You get what you pay for?! If that was true Carroll would be far better then suarez, continho, sturridge that post makes no sense

London red

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Waro very naive perspective on LFC. Fsg are running our club like it should have been run years ago. Investing sensibley in infastructure like the stadium and not bankrupting the club like the previous owners did. I don't think now is the time to judge new signings, how about at Christmas and see how we are doing then! Nick

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The big conspiracy theory again. Ffs waro stop please stop.

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03 Jul 2013 10:25:33
the op post was how well they have done in the transfer market and I disagree, and I've seen nothing to change my views on them (if anything, what i'm seeing is reinforcing my opinion of them.) We will see how the season pans out, i'm just hoping i'm wrong and I see some results and progress for the extortionate amount of money I've paid for my season ticket( sorry for using the ST words, I know it's not pc to say those two words on here.)

Waro

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03 Jul 2013 10:30:16
London red, you can cherry pick players to suit your argument all you like, the Carroll transfer was down to the owners mismanagement, paying £35 mill for a player who most clubs wouldn't have gone above £12 mill for, it was a panic buy. For every Carroll there's an aguero a mata a van persie a silva. Pointless reply.

Waro

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Will you honestly support the owners if our signings turn out well waro? After all they did sign Suarez, coutinho and sturridge yet you continue to be negative towards them.

I think perhaps the nationality of our owners has clouded your judgement a little and you will maintain your less than favourable view of them even if they sign everyone you ask for.

Price, does not dictate quality, just ask Chelsea, city, barca and Madrid who have all paid massive fees for the following players who did not do that well, kaka, shevchenko, chygrynsky, ibra, jo.

You correctly point out that for every hit at low prices there is a miss, this applies for big fees also, your own point almost invalidates your argument. Sorry to post a long reply but perhaps you could clarify your issues with the owners as I would like to understand your perspective

Nevada

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But waro you say for every carroll there is a mata or whatever but problem is that there are also many clubs wanting those players. LFC are not in champions leagure so are having to have a different transfer strategy. It's more than likely unfortunately that if a play has a choice between chelsea and LFC on same wages with no ties to LFC they are going to choose Chelsea, good money and champions league. Your thinking is warped we wouldn't be able to do what you wish.

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Nevada listen, you value and support the owners, that is your choice and I have know problem with that, so because my views on them are different to yours your basically accusing me of xenophobia, I have listed on numerous occasions why I detest these owners ( I'm sure they must be on my search history )and being from America has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying they should buy £40 million players left right and centre, what I am saying is, that if a player is identified then in certain circumstances, they should throw caution to the wind and take a calculated risk on a player, Carroll wasn't a calculated risk, he was a total total panic buy so using him as an example is baseless.

Sadly, to gain entrance into the CL you sometimes have to pay top dollar, Arsenal's model which these owners admire won't work for us because Arsenal started this approach from a far better footing then we are, if you take away CL qualification it's been a spectacular flop, they've gone from title winners/challengers to scraping into the top 4 because of the teams lethargy around them ( us included in that )and it appears Arsenal have finally seen the light and are enquiring for the Rooney's and Higuain's of this world because they realise that buying unknowns from the continent isn't cutting it so they realise you need to mix into that, genuine class players. Hope that has in some way answered your question.

Waro

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Waro u do know by buying a season ticket u have put money in to the big bad fsg machine. Are u a hypocrite, an person or just trying wind people up? I would pay to off load fans like you to everton .
Z

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Hey Waro,

I'm not going to abuse you as a) that's not what these boards are about and (most importantly) b) I do believe you have the best interests of the club at heart. No need for the comment about ST either - most people realise that some people live close enough and/or have the flexibility to travel to every game, and some don't. Doesn't make either group a lesser or greater fan, just a more or less fortunate one!

I do echo what Nevada has said. I'm not an person, nor am I easily led or hoodwinked. What FSG's ultimate aim is, I neither know nor care. However, what they do for the club is important.

I think that the one major mistake they have made was bringing back Kenny. To be honest, I would've made that mistake too as I really wanted him back and was so pleased to see him. However, how he behaved re Suarez, how he spent money and they way he dealt with the media was cringeworthy, which is difficult for me to say as my support for the team dates back to around the time that he was an icon - early to mid 1980s.

I also think this was an honest mistake by FSG.

Part of me does look across at Citeh and Chelsea and feel the green eyed monster rising at the telephone numbers they can throw at potential and afford to lose. Shevchenko, Robinho etc etc.

However, overall I am happy with the approach we are taking, and happy that a good scouting network is worth many, many millions in saved transfer and add-on fees.

Maybe Aspas and Alberto and others will turn into Coutinho-esque gems, maybe they won't. But right now, without the unlimited cheque book and the lure/revenue of Champions League, I really don't want us taking all of the fees we have spent so far, and spending it all on one player, because they might just not work out.

What we're doing now appears to be a far cry from the $hite that Rafa had to put up with with the last US owners - that's how we ended up selling great players and buying in people like Dossena and Aquilani.

I'll support FSG now, and BR, unitl they do something to lose my support.

Above all, I'll always support my team - in that I'm sure we can both agree.!

Z

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It does help me understand a little better thank waro, I apologise if I offended you with the nationality comment, I've seen you use the phrase 'these Americans ' before and wrongly assumed that was part of the issue for you. Sorry about that.

Arsenal haven't seen sense they are just finally in a position where they can spend money without crippling the club. We are now, where arsenal where 3-5 years ago.

The teams that spend lots of money, have lots of money. We don't so I can't see How the spending argument is a valid one given our position.

No matter which manager has been in charge when they have asked for money to spend they have been given it. Kenny spent 22m before Torres was ever sold, perhaps you don't think that was a significant investment by FSG? Which is fair enough you're entitled to your opinion, I appreciate you debating with us.

Nevada

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I think you're more than welcome to whatever opinion you want, Waro, but my frustration is you never seem to acknowledge that the owners have, and continue to, spend a lot of money on the club and have thus far made absolutely nothing back in return. In addition, not sure why they're getting the stick for the transfer targets (good or bad) since they're not the ones picking the players.

If you wanted to say that the owners have done a bad job by hiring/keeping Ayre/Kenny/Commoli/Rodgers then perhaps that is a fair point to debate but I don't understand the criticism of them directly for not being supportive of the club financially which they clearly have been.

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Zero clarification regarding the owners, however you do seem to have the same business model as Peter Ridsdale. Which is odd, considering what this club has just gone through.

K79

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03 Jul 2013 07:53:29
Not a rumour as such, but I did dream last night that Reina went to Monaco and we sign a defender from Fulham. Could I be psychic.?

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03 Jul 2013 09:11:25
Hopefully NOT

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I had just the same dream

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03 Jul 2013 06:29:16
Just been looking at the pics from the days training. Who's the cat with the ponytail? Is it a new-look Martin Kelly?

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Martin Kelly with long hair - just so we don't miss Andy Carroll too much. haha

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Ye and looks like he's planning a move to italy

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Looks a bit like the love-child of Carroll and Aquilani.

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03 Jul 2013 04:32:14
the way I see it we need to give mickey a timeline, higuain and tom ince are available 4 30 mil, he is 25 mil and I know lot less wages, but window is open now, get him signed or move on, even if we just want a bit part striker anelka is available on a free, wot he would cost wot 5 mil a year, and I know he 34 but anyone remember gary mac

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03 Jul 2013 03:40:29
If HM was that much of a "Top Player" then don't you think the deal would be done? You hear people today saying HM has his heart set on the reds?. A Fee had been agreed?. Then then you hear he's having a medical?. Next thing you know he will be tickling the queen's gooch! Its silly journalist getting going into a false story all guns blazing, with no truth to back it.

Too me I reckon Liverpool should try the likes of aubabyang (don't know how to spell it) or eriksen two great players who will provide goals&assists for the reds.

Red4Life!

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I reckon we should have a try on xavi and maybe even a punt on messi while we are at it.

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03 Jul 2013 02:06:34
I have it on good authority that JonJonJo had been practicing Polari all week with Pepe and gets sold to A Welsh club! He is very worried about moving to Wales because he told me he didn't speak Welsh and was going to have a huge language barrier! Brendan has told him just to bark at people and Sparky agreed!

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03 Jul 2013 10:04:05
do you know what Polari is originally - guess not.

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03 Jul 2013 01:47:52
Good Morning Ed's and fellow Reds,
Been informed by a credible source that at the moment Liverpool are not looking to make anymore big money signings. Within the next few weeks the stratergy is to start to Offload Players, the obvious are the likes of Shelvey and Skrtel however in recent posts I have read on this site, some think Henderson is going in the shop window. I can quiet clearly confirm this is not true JH is here for the long run in the project that BR talks of. Only enquiries have been made at this present time for JonjonJo Shelvey and Skrtel looks odds to move back to Russia {Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation with Skrtel - you might wish to look it up.}

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Your source should have waited to hear what Brendan has to say, Brendan says we are looking for another creative player and defender. I know who I believe

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03 Jul 2013 01:07:11
Hi eds, love the page! quick question. Is Fernando Torres a Liverpool target?
Thanks!

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Are you being serious? RTFP!

RedKopite

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Can pigs fly?

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03 Jul 2013 00:54:42
Any truth in the shelvey to Swansea for 6 million? I'll be disappointed for 2 reasons. 1) I think shelvey has shown potential an its too early to sell. A year long loan yes but selling no. 2) we should be looking to sell downing first. He brings nothing to the team except backwards passes, wayward crosses, and sad defending. Watching games you barely know he's playing. It's like having 10 men very time he's on the pitch {Ed002's Note - They are one of the interested clubs and have an offer on the table.}

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03 Jul 2013 09:28:22
What a load of bull.

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Id persoannly give Downing till Jan to see if he improves on last year, unless of course they want rid and need the cash and he's on stupid wages.
But a reasonable squad player and he can do a job if he reaches the form he had at villa some seasons ago, 6 months should give an indication.

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There are a few posts popping up saying we should not sell Shelvey,
one for the future, huge potential
etc etc
Afraid I must watch different games.
The lad is not of the necessary quality (even with regard to his youth etc etc)

Puzzled

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I originally liked jonjo and supported him in his first two seasons but he has not progressed since arriving and I would expect him to make a little progress. It's even fair to say he has regressed a little since he did have an excellent shot at youth level and now seems to have less shooting ability than most of our defence.

Perhaps a change of club will benefit him, I wish him luck

Nevada

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03 Jul 2013 00:00:07
I don't want to believe these jonjo shelvey rumours to swans for 6m edds tell me it isn't true the kid has got tallent and a loan would maybe benefit him i'd hope a buy back clause would be in the deal but for 6m I doubt it what do you think edds true or not?

Adamlfc {Ed002's Note - There are several interested sides.}

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02 Jul 2013 23:31:10
With spurs man city Everton arsenal Chelsea and Man U all going to spend big do you think we will have any where near the team to get in to the top four or are we now a mid table club for a long time till if we lose Suarez which I'm guessing we will who would we most likely to bring in as our new superstar striker eds looking for you opinion? And others people's I personally think we're are a good 5years away from getting any where near the top for as we have no consistency

Lfc sc

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Everton to spend big, have they won the lottery?

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Mate, I'm an Everton fan and there's one thing I can guarantee. We will not spend 'big'. You've provably spent more than we will this summer!

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