Liverpool Banter Archive June 03 2016

 

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03 Jun 2016 23:45:16
"I miss winning cups. Copa América is another opportunity for me, because every player dreams of winning cups. "

Coutinho when asked by a journalist. Not mere speculations or paper talks. Ed02 guessed this some 6 months ago.

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04 Jun 2016 00:07:15
At the end the day he signed a new contract last sums so he goes for top price or stays . Klopp know what he's doing if it was are old manger I would be more worried .


04 Jun 2016 02:08:04
The thing is, as good as he is, if he's not 100% committed to the cause I'd prefer him to go. To those saying he'd be impossible to replace I refer to ed002s comments regarding Götze. The transfer window isn't even open yet, everyone needs to calm down.


04 Jun 2016 02:23:29
I don't think ed02 'guessed it' he informed us all that coutinho will ask to leave if we don't manage to get CL football. He made it clear to several of his Brazil teammates also, and it was so obvious at the end of the season that he would be one of the first to ask to leave. He went completely under the radar, everyone had no questions about whether he was staying, but it's was quite clear he wanted out if we didn't get CL football and here we are. There should be no shocks and no suprises and honestly, from a players perspective, he is right. Liverpool have just coasted without winning anything in the process so why stay on a ship that's going nowhere. From a fans perspective you would say that he didn't help he cause by not turning up to the final. Either way he's our best player and selling him will only damage the club unless we somehow break the mould and reinvest the money properly, something I can't see us doing even with klopp in charge.


04 Jun 2016 03:37:48
I don't like his comments. I don't think he's ever personally won a cup final.

He had two chances to win a cup final this season, and he failed to show up in both of them. He may have scored the goal against City but was nowhere to be seen for the rest of the match, and bottled it in the penalty shootout. He was then an absolute no-show against Sevilla in our biggest game of the entire season.

His comments just make him sound like a self-entitled brat. After reading his comments, a layman would think that he's done everything he possibly could for the team, ala Suarez in 13/ 14, but the rest of the team are a 'lost cause' and let him down in winning a trophy. But no; instead, he failed to perform in both cup finals. If he wants to win cup finals, he needs to properly contribute. Jumping ship to find a better vessel when the problem was in fact the sailor and not the ship, is really irritating.


04 Jun 2016 03:42:26
What? He gets asked about winning the Copa America just before the beginning of the tournament, and he says he wants to win the cup. And this translates to him wanting to leave Liverpool?

Is that you Harry? Because surely you are the most capable of coming up with such nonsensical logic and finding connections where there is none.

I understand that Ed001 has said that he has asked to leave, but that answer has nothing to do with Liverpool. What should he have said? Meh never mind the cup, I am just here for the jolly fun times in the summer with the national team that I have been hoping to get into regularly?


04 Jun 2016 04:14:35
Well he could have won a Cup, if he'd turned up in the Europa Cup Final. Maybe it's putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 (I am a conspiracist at heart), but i'm now wondering if his 'no show' in the final was premeditated, thus enabling an excuse to try to get out of the club this Summer. i'm sure that isn't the case, but I remember having that same idea when Suarez bit Ivanovic.


04 Jun 2016 04:59:09
AG, he said that he misses winning cups. It's well known that he wants to leave Liverpool to win things. But it was also stupid to say because he has never actually directly won a cup. IMO, your most important contribution to winning a cup is playing in the final, and he never did that at Inter.

BBQ, I highly doubt those bites were premeditated.


04 Jun 2016 09:05:05
He was in two finals maybe if he played better we may have one a cup ridiculous thing to say when he had two chances
Up the pool.


04 Jun 2016 09:10:08
Coutinho is missing winning cups? What has he ever won before coming to Liverpool? Also I'm not sure there has been a team that would have given him the chance to win so many cups as Liverpool have this past few years. Would need to do some Google searching but we've been in plenty of cup finals including europe and should have won the league since he has been here. If he misses winning them so I we. there problem solved Phil. stay and win all around you for us 😊.


04 Jun 2016 09:15:47
Misses winning cups haha he was sh*te against Sevilla so does he want to win them or does he want to be in a team that will win them for him while he coasts along? He's talking crap. Jurgen has spoken he wants players to push the train not ride it!


04 Jun 2016 13:59:42
Real Ag

I do not understand your post. This is a quote from his recent interview which I passed it over here. He has not made it public about his future after all the growing speculations about his future. Both the editors has said about the possibility of Coutinho moving out at some point in the past. He has Brazilian teammates who would easily turn his head during the Copa notably Dani Alves. It is your call to read between the lines And I am not any Harry.

Cheers.


{Ed033's Note - No, you're not just any Tom, Dick or Harry, you're the one and only Harry Scouser.

04 Jun 2016 15:38:45
A Game of Avatars.


03 Jun 2016 23:23:21
Hi ed's,

Have you noticed a change in difficulty to get information out of LFC since Klopp arrived? Or still the same?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about information from the club itself and it would be nothing to do with Klopp, but information is freely available.}

03 Jun 2016 20:55:17
Delighted you're still with us Ed 002.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks Nicky.}

03 Jun 2016 21:03:11
Thanks to all the ends for their knowledge and input. It must be frustrating dealing with stupid questions all the time. They do a great job of keeping us informed of what is happening at the club.


03 Jun 2016 21:14:53
Welcome back Ed002!


03 Jun 2016 21:38:18
Please don't ever leave us again Ed😭.


03 Jun 2016 22:45:58
Glad your still here edd 2. Really enjoy reading the info you give us!


04 Jun 2016 03:55:08
where did he even go in the first place?


03 Jun 2016 17:59:34
Have any of our squad had strong interest from Inter Milan in recent times

I ask cause they've been taken over by the Chinese and we know that spells cash.

Wasn't Skrtel and Moreno once linked to them?

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{Ed002's Note - No and Inter are still constrained by financial and nationality regulations.}

03 Jun 2016 23:31:50
Ta 002. Glad you're about bud.


03 Jun 2016 17:17:37
Hello Ed02. Good to see you back here mate. If you are around, Are there any new names the club is looking at especially on the wingers?
Both Rafa Silva and Praet seems heading elsewhere?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Only the maintained interest in old targets of Brendan Rodgers so nothing new.}

03 Jun 2016 21:36:14
Do you see Joa Mario as a possible alternative to Rafa Silva? He's another winger from that league who's also had a good year and has bpl clubs interested.

They're both in the Portugal squad after good seasons with their clubs. I know Portuguese clubs do usually look to sell their players at very high prices.

Do you see him as possible at all?


03 Jun 2016 19:23:58
Ok before people read this post I don't want Liverpool to sell many players this season as I think we are at the point were we need to add quality rather than quantity, but in relation to Coutinho -
In 43 games last season he scored 12 and assisted in 7, a return of a goal/ assist once every 0.44 outings.

It's a respectable statistic, but hardly earth shattering
Firmino, scored 10 and assisted 7 in his first season in EPL, in the same number of games
IF we were to sell Coutinho for the reputed £46m, would this not be better spent attempting to shore up our pourous defence ie a LB and another CB and/ or proven DM, when considering; that we squandered 19 points from winning positions (Leading in the 2nd half) throughout the 2015/ 16 premier league season.
To put that into context we would have finished 2nd 2 points adrift of Leicester.

Stats courtesy of Bwin.

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03 Jun 2016 20:33:15
Would love coutinho to stay as think he is a fantastic footballer. But hope people don't slate him and realise we aren't the pinnacle of football and as long as a player handles him self professionally and we are given a fair few for him, then fair enough. Tbf I don't think any English team is in the top 5 world teams and imagine any player in the BPL would hand a transfer request to play for real, Barca, Bayern, etc.

He is a wonderfully talented player and think people are understating what he offers, one of the few players in our team capable of something special.

The positive is (much like Leicester) the money raised from selling him (and about 10 other players) could possibly make for a better overall team that isn't reliant on 1 or 2 players. Perfect example is athletico, can say the have griezmann but it is far more about the team then any individual player.


03 Jun 2016 21:37:32
I was under the impression we have already bought a DM. Grujic?


03 Jun 2016 22:41:23
How about dipping into some of the tb cash and sales of the other players and giving coutinho a proper bases to perform eseoecially a lb that will have his back.


04 Jun 2016 00:27:11
Grujic is not even close to a defensive mid. He plays as an attacking midfielder and it has even been suggested by one of his coaches that he is best on the wing.

He has confessed himself, that the biggest weakness to his game is how poor he is defensively. That is straight from his own mouth.

So I don't know where you heard that puzzled, but you heard wrong. At 19/ 20 he is young enough to learn, so Klopp may choose to mould him into a defensive midfielder as at about 6ft4 he certainly has the physique. It isn't his natural game though.


04 Jun 2016 11:49:34
MK, my mistake then. Thanks for pointing it out. I still don't see the need for a DM though as he is still another midfielder to which we already have plenty.


04 Jun 2016 11:49:34
MK, my mistake then. Thanks for pointing it out. I still don't see the need for a DM though as he is still another midfielder to which we already have plenty.


04 Jun 2016 12:09:55
It depends who is available buddy. If a top talent like Hojbjerg wants to sign for us, I'd take the chance!


03 Jun 2016 18:31:23
I hear it's Mario goetzes birthday, should we all chip in and get him a cake? Maybe that was the sweetener ed001 was referring too ;)

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03 Jun 2016 19:19:42
Same birthday as Liverpool.


03 Jun 2016 19:26:55
He likes NAVY CAKE and if you don't know what that is, ask a sailor?


03 Jun 2016 18:08:26
Where exactly has this "Coutinho wants to leave" thing come from?

I know Ed002 mentioned that Coutinho told 3 of his Brazilian teammates that he will leave if LFC dn't secure CL football, but that was BEFORE Klopp came in, and we ended up improving as a team and reached two finals!

In fact, he said this week in Brazil's training cam for the Copa America that he indents to stay at LFC next season, as has been reported by the Brazilian media!

So, I don't understand where all this Coutinho wanting to leave thing has come from except a few fickle fans making their mind up a little too early.

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03 Jun 2016 18:44:26
Ed001 mentioned it a few weeks back.


03 Jun 2016 19:25:52
to be fair AG not everyones going to be like lukaku and tell the every person on earth how desperate he is to leave the club.

we'll never truly know, so we shall see. of course things can change at any time.


03 Jun 2016 19:43:15
We still finished 8th in the League AG, worse again than last year. I know posters will come off with the usual "but its not his players" and all that nonsense but i have to say i expected more. He was here long enough in the season to make an impact in the league. If we are to heap credit on getting to 2 finals then he has to take partial responsability for finishing 8th.


03 Jun 2016 19:49:59
Ed001 confirmed he has told the club he wants to leave.

With all due respect, I don't think us just having Klopp is enough to offset the poor position we are in as a club.

No Europe, no silverware for 4 years, mud table league position.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about where we are going under Klopp. But it's all just hopes and maybes. Easy for us as fans to say the club is moving forward under Klopp, it's a lot hard for a player to gamble 1 year of his career on that. It's only a 10-15 year career at the top of your game anyway so we are asking Coutinho to gamble up to 10% of his career on a "we could be good next season". He's not a Liverpool fan or even British so he has no ties here.

If he has ambition (be that motivated by trophies, CL or money) and I was an agent looking for the best for my client, I would definitely advise him to go to PSG or Barcelona from a career perspective. He IS good enough to play for top clubs like them contrary to people who are turning on him.


03 Jun 2016 20:19:30
That is a well reasoned post Adam, though i would have my doubts if Coutinho would be good enough, especially for Barca.


03 Jun 2016 20:41:56
@ The Irish Rover

"He was here long enough in the season to make an impact in the league. "

When last did LFC reach a European final?

Accept the fact that LFC played more matches this past season than any other EPL team and we only finished 6 points off 4th.

That goes with saying when Klopp's only proper fit striker was Benteke when he took the job. I am pretty sure all of us would have loved for Sturridge to have been fit as soon as Klopp took over from Brendan. The goals would have come much faster.

Thank heavens Klopp stuck Firmino up top at the time and left Benteke on the bench otherwise our league season could have neded far worse.


03 Jun 2016 21:47:44
I missed Ed001's reply about Coutinho. But it strange but not uncommon that a player says something inside the club, and then another publicly outside the club.

From a players' perspective, I agree with what MK has said, but from LFC's perspective, I hope we can persuade the player to stay and that he has hopefully been encouraged by Klopp's short tenure so far.

Personally, I don't see us able to attract a player of his quality as a replacement if he leaves, even with Klopp in charge and money made available by FSG.


03 Jun 2016 22:24:16
I really hope we can persuade him to stay 1 more year at least, however if his heart is not in it, we need to let him go for the biggest fee we can get, and then use the money wisely on players we actually need, ie a left back (or 2), not deposit the money straight into Southampton's bank account as we usually do, the irony for me regarding this topic is that if he had played anywhere near his top form in the final, we would not even be having this conversation, bottom line though is this if a player wants to leave, let him go no matter who the player is, we need every player fully committed to Liverpool fc if we are to progress, we have seen what happens at other clubs when players start sulking and don't want to be there, we don't need that happening to us.


03 Jun 2016 17:02:10
Just want to thank Ed2 for coming back and also thank all of the Eds for their hard work. This site would be nothing without the sheer effort that goes into it so thank you very much!

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{Ed002's Note - You don't need to do this Nick, but thanks.}

03 Jun 2016 19:07:05
Spot on mate.


03 Jun 2016 18:13:21
Good shout Nick. I'd be lost without all the Ed's.


03 Jun 2016 20:31:25
Agreed.


03 Jun 2016 16:25:46
Germany LB Jonas Hector on what he would do if Klopp called him to join LFC - "Then I would start to think about leaving Koln. ".

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03 Jun 2016 16:51:34
Kloppo is not allowed to do anymore tapping 😉.


03 Jun 2016 17:13:11
It's not tapping if it's a journalist asking.

Btw, Game of Thrones = Harry?


03 Jun 2016 17:14:19
Apparently Ron, I was about to ask that potential to Ed02. Did we screw up again Ed02?


03 Jun 2016 15:23:24
Wembley friendly game sold out in 4 hours. I'm one of the lucky ones who got Liverpool Barcelona tickets this morning. I cannot wait!

We are a truly global team with worldwide support. Anfield is getting bigger. There's a lot to be positive about.

Supporting Liverpool is for life not just one season. Players come and go. Hopefully we will have more great seasons ahead.

Always be positive people. See the bigger picture. Maybe we cannot win the quadruple next year but there is always the treble :)

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03 Jun 2016 15:40:19
They were on sale since Wednesday to lfc members and season ticket holders. I got mine on the 1st day. Fantastic that we can sell out Wembley for a preseason game. Taking my 2 boys to there 1st ever game.


03 Jun 2016 17:59:28
Got mine, that's what happens when the two biggest clubs on the planet get together.

Proper fans.


03 Jun 2016 15:11:23
I love you Edd002. You'll always have me brother xx.

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03 Jun 2016 13:51:24
Good feature on LFC official website.

Danny Ings talking about his injury recovery and how he can't wait for the new season to start.
This is what supporters should be reading, not banging on about players leaving. YNWA.

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03 Jun 2016 19:09:48
Indeed mate I tend to agree.


03 Jun 2016 13:48:44
the transfer window has not opened yet so we can't jusdge the owners, or klopp, the players we have bought look good and may be open to improvement by klopp so i'm going to wait till the end of the transfer window before i make any judgement on our transfers plus i can't wait to see how the new stand will look like full, i live by the ground and pass it every day and its looking good.

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03 Jun 2016 14:02:03
Would you not wait until the end of the season or at least January to judge any signings the club makes?

People get on the backs of players too early. Sure the players he signed would have played 3 games maybe once the window is closed. Not exactly enough games to form the opinion of whether there good or not.


03 Jun 2016 16:22:11
jQlfc,

i did not mean it like that, i meant the standard of player, because everyone is going on about this player or that player, i just want to see who we get and i will jusdge their game at the end of the season, its like Firmino for me he took time to settle into our league because its so different to the european leagues, but when he got used to it a bit he started playing better, and you can see any of my posts where i have not put him down for not being a world beater from his 1st game and every game after that, in fact i think Couthino had a few quiet games at the end of the season because he was tired after all he did play over 50 games, plus he is only a young man at 23, as we all know some players take a season to get used to the prem where some don't that's why i don't jusdge players games straight away or after 3 games,


03 Jun 2016 16:53:34
Yeah sorry mbrock I know you didn't mean it that way and thought I had put that my post wasn't aimed at you in that regard. It does happen quite a lot. Keep good dude.


03 Jun 2016 07:20:12
Benny any chance you could create a fund for ed2 similar to what you did for ed1?

To show our appreciation she could pick a poster of her choosing to take her to dinner.

She could be eating pasta in Rome with Ron, or having a big mac at the M1 services with Harry!

In all seriousness though I think I speak for all posters when I say if there was a way to show ed2 how much they are appreciated then we all would do it. Similar to how we all chipped in to show ed1.
I can only apologise for the trolls ed, just know the good work u do is recognized and appreciated by anyone here with half a brain.

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03 Jun 2016 13:50:49
The ed002 appreciation society is on Facebook I believe.


{Ed002's Note - tinyurl.com/c6j7t2m}

03 Jun 2016 16:07:23
002 really doesn't need a fundraiser. She needs to hire me first as his PA first.


03 Jun 2016 17:22:35
I do like Rome as it happens. 😎.


03 Jun 2016 12:51:04
Any chance of an update on the list of players we are interested in?

You guys are doing a great job on this site i must say! Much appreciated!

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{Ed002's Note - Not right now Liss.}

03 Jun 2016 12:50:36
just a thank you to all Eds for everything.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lee.}

03 Jun 2016 12:48:53
The coutinho debate.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. He is a very good player, our best player but if he wants to leave then so be it. Players come and players go, it's not like he wants to go to another team of our level in which case we have the right to be pissed at him.
He's moving on to bigger and better things, it's a promotion for him. More money, more stability for his family.
as long as players are respectful about leaving then we should behave in a similar manor. They haven't signed their life away to Liverpool fc, it's a contract of employment.
On a side not, Bring on the Arab sheikhs. And some spending money.

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03 Jun 2016 13:11:46
Agree with what you say, and if you look at it from another angle and he was consistently performing poorly then LFC wouldn't think twice about moving him on. That's football and if he decides to leave then all the best to him and thanks for the service.


03 Jun 2016 14:27:15
If he wants to go, let him go as long as we get our hands on Gotze and a left winger like Rafa Silva. Both are prime targets according to Ed002 and will want regular first team football so is suspect the club has known Coutinho's desire to leave for some time. Sell him for 50 million GBP, and sign Gotze and Silva using that money.


03 Jun 2016 12:16:43
Someone passed this to me. A brilliant tribute to the 96 from LFC India fans group.
I am pasting the YouTube link if it is fine for the page.

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03 Jun 2016 12:27:39
One for Ed002
Can you please explain why are you doing this? Why to spend your free time (if you have any) on answering our questions? Why do you bother? Why, despite being pissed off many times, you are still here?
If I am very busy then I have no energy nor will to do anything else. If I am, at the same time, pissed off numerous times then I walk away. UNLESS:
1) I love what I do
2) I love my children even if they drive me mad (and I am a very calm person in general)
3) Still help others because I want to feel appreciated
4) I know they will not "survive" without my knowledge and experience
5) I like to help

What about you, Ed002? I think you have a soft spot towards good Liverpool fans, haven't you?
Please find a way to get rid of the trolls, thanks for being with us!

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{Ed002's Note - It is an easy background activity that I can do without taxing myself. A sort of care in the community task if you like .

03 Jun 2016 12:44:12
Ah. So they finally caught up with you and this is the community service. You would of got away with it right if it wasn't for the love of Ken Aguero posts.


03 Jun 2016 15:53:33
Good man Gazza haha classic.


03 Jun 2016 11:56:53
All this negativity is embarrassing. Selling your best player is only a disaster if you have owners who won't reinvest or Muppets in control of transfers. With Klopp here, I'd like to think we can have some faith.

Man United sold Ronaldo and went on to win multiple league titles and cups in the next 5 years.

Chelasea sold Mata and went on to win European and domestic titles.

Arsenal sold Van Persie and broke a 10 year trophy drought.

Southampton sold Lallana and used the cash injection to jump over the silly sausages who paid £30m for him.

Spurs sold Bale and built a team instead of relying on one individual, then nearly won the league.

Atletico Madrid have sold their best player more times than I can remember but the best example would be selling Falcao and then winning the League and going to the CL final twice in quick succession.

Dortmund sold Gotze and Lewandowski, then won multiple domestic honours.

Sevilla sold Bacca and won the Europa league in both the following seasons.

Liverpool sold Ian Rush all those years ago and then put together the best front 3 in history with Barnes, Aldo and Beardo.

Liverpool sold Keegan and got Dalglish who went on to be the best player in the clubs illustrious history.

Fact is, unless you are Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid you are always going to lose your best players at some point. Even Juventus being the biggest team in Italy cannot resist them. If Pogba wants to go when the giants come calling, he will go. Just like Zidane did.

So stop acting like we are the only team in world football who sell our best players. It happens. When they want out, you take the money and reinvest it into a quality player who wants to wear the shirt. So I don't want to read rubbish like "Liverpool is a dying club" anymore please. Grow up.

Case closed.

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03 Jun 2016 12:38:38
U can't keep selling your best player ever year . What massage does that send out.


03 Jun 2016 12:44:30
At the end of the day, every player has a price and it is naïve to think that Coutinho is so devoted that he wouldn't consider another offer. The most important things are that we get as much money as we can and then spend as wisely as possible.


03 Jun 2016 12:32:37
You're absolutely correct, MK Scouse. There's no point keeping somebody that doesn't want to be there.

It also frustrates me when players use lack of Champions League as a reason, as I they had no impact on the failure to qualify. If the whole team, including Coutinho, had been more consistent, we'd have got fourth place at least.

Be sorry to see him go but if they've not bought in to the project then wish them well and move on. The club will always be bigger than any one individual.


03 Jun 2016 12:35:02
If he really wants to go then we should let him and wish him luck.
Great player but no point keeping him if he's unhappy.
There is a good chance we could replace him with Goetze and use the left over money to buy a new left back and that's not exactly a backwards step.
I will miss him personally but he's not irreplaceable, if the eds have known for a while he wanted to go then the club should have as well and hopefully his replacement is already lined up.


03 Jun 2016 12:45:23
Can't really agree with you MK. The fact is in the end selling your best players will always cause some level of disruption. Sometimes this can be managed by bringing in a quality replacement or changing the formation/ system to suit the new squad, but often this only works for a short period of time and eventually if you keep selling your best players it catches up with you and the team suffers for it.

The fact is Dortmund struggled to replace lost players. When they had Reus, Goetze and Lewandowski they were immense. They haven't yet replaced those two effectively. Aalthough Mkitaryan and Aubamayeng have exeellent years, it now looks like they too will be leaving. So where does that leave Dortmund now? Trying to replace again. Sometimes you can but often you can't.

Not saying we're doomed of Countino leaves at all. I just think that we should be holding on to as many of our better players as we can and I reject the idea that "it's okay if he leaves because we've got Firmino" - we should want BOTH of them because they're both quality and both contracted to our club already!


03 Jun 2016 12:53:53
Yes MK! Couldn't have put it better myself!


03 Jun 2016 12:57:09
Most of the clubs your mentioned in your OP replaces X players with X players which we don't. Coutinho moving out would be a bad message to outside world in the first place. Lack of CL and poor performance on the league from last two years would put serious doubt among players.
Not always about Money.
Arsenal sold RVP to UTD and he scored 30 goals securing the title while Arsenal themselves bought Sanchez and Ozil who are fine players.
The clubs you mention mainly Chelsea, City, Arsenal and UTD has no problem in attracting A class players to them.


03 Jun 2016 13:15:21
Game of Thrones, did it escape your memory that Coutinho cost us £8m from Inter Milan reserves?

You don't need to sign "A class players". Whatever that even is. You just have to sign the right players.


03 Jun 2016 13:29:07
Leicester are proof that it is a team game. To my mind there's only ever been 1 player close to a 1-man team and that is Maradona. No-one else has come close.
To win things you need organisation, clear strategy, team spirit, camaraderie and a bit of good fortune.
If a player is not 100% committed then it is better to let them move on. It's always been the case.
Coutinho has been a very good player for us and hasn't caused us one moment of controversy but if he's no longer 100% committed then I wish him good luck elsewhere.
If it's all rumour and speculation and he wants to stay then I will be delighted to see him play for us.


03 Jun 2016 13:40:47
Spot on Ron.


03 Jun 2016 13:57:12
Selling your "best" player is only an issue when they are far and away the best player and rest are bang average.

I remember when Rush was sold and was gutted as lived not far away - however he wasn't our "best" player there was pure quality in the rest of the 1st team.
He scored loads but the midfield behind him was pure quality.

Firmino could play where Coutinho plays and then we fill in around that.
Numerous posters say we need wingers- this makes room for them.


03 Jun 2016 14:18:24
Cheers MK, at the end of the day, Kloppo is no stranger to this way of working. It used to happen to him at Dortmund too but he made the team a priority rather than individual stars. I've no concerns if we sell any of our players, Klopp can replace them.


03 Jun 2016 22:29:00
I'm with MK on this. We're not Barca, Real etc. We will inevitably lose our best players. But it is important that we have a core of a team to move forward without being derailed too much. To me coutinho is a complimentary piece around star players as oppossed to being a star player himself (at the mo) . We are talking as tho we would be losing a suarez type player here. But he doesn't have the same kind of impact or control of a game. He has pockets of brilliance and long periods of average-ness. To be clear, I'd prefer we kept him and kept adding the right pieces to the team because he has a key role. But, and especially if he wants to go, then its better he be elsewhere.


03 Jun 2016 09:38:56
One for Ed001 if you're about.

Saw some stats (which can obviously be manipulated to the writers viewpoint) saying Milner had been 5th best in Europe this year for goals and assists.

Just wanted to see if you viewed his debut season as successful or if you're still of the "headless chicken" opinion.

He's performed better than I expected especially January onwards.

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but I still think he was awful in central midfield, headless chicken is too good to describe his performances there. As a wideman, he is exceedingly average. Even worse was the fact he had the armband on. Just please get him off the wage bill. Not good enough, never been good enough and never will be good enough.}

03 Jun 2016 12:07:09
I think if Milner was a squad player on average wages then he would be a great person to have in the squad.

He is a top class professional, very very rarely controversial, a good example to the youth coming through and apparently always applies himself 100% in training.

Like Kolo and even Kuyt before him, he is not the most technically gifted but I think he is a good influence on the squad in general (I appreciate that Kuyt is a much better player, but he is the best example I can think of)

However, having him as the club's highest paid player and one of the first names on the team sheet blocks the path for a youngster and is a waste of money.


03 Jun 2016 12:26:54
I am of the opinion that he is a good player when played out wide but a terrible central midfielder.

I am completely indifferent with regards to him as a player. I neither love him nor hate him.

Due to his wages though, I think he should be moved on. Question for Ed001, does that even look likely?


{Ed001's Note - that is the point, he is the highest paid player at the club, but not in the top 10 best players we have.

Right now, sadly, looks like he wil be staying.}

03 Jun 2016 12:09:28
Agree with Ed on this one. Milner is bang average and so is Joe Allen I honestly can't believe people cannot see that.

Is there any chance we could move Milner on this summer?


03 Jun 2016 12:58:49
Watched Englqnd vs Portugal yesterday and he was absolutely shocking in the first half and easily replaced in the second half. He played centrally alongside Dier. He was dispossessed more than any other outfield player and did not put in a single tackle all game.


03 Jun 2016 13:30:56
He was rubbish in the first half of the season but picked up towards the end. If he stays on this upward curve he could be a "Dirk Kuyt" figure for us.


03 Jun 2016 18:51:58
Thanks for the reply Ed001

He should in no way be our top earner. He seems to have progressed into a good squad player over the season but if you're wanting to challenge for the top four he isn't first 11.


03 Jun 2016 11:24:48
Ed002.
I have been a active member of this forum site for many years now. I love it as a read and the info received has been nothing short of brilliant.
I for one just wanted to say THANK YOU for absolutely everything you have put it in to make this site what it is. I know there is a lot more Eds on here and different sites but you and Ed001 are the stand out guys to me.
If you ever fancy a drink buddy. Look me up

Be lucky.

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{Ed002's Note - Thank you Gazza - I had hoped your drinking days were no behind you.}

03 Jun 2016 12:36:52
How did you know that?

I'd certainly come out of retirement for you my friend.


03 Jun 2016 11:19:45
It's lfc birthday today 124 years old. On another note hope Mr edd 2 is ok I understand someone upset him.
Mr edd is a good person and needs more abuse he / she does a good job and people need to appreciate a Good job he/ she does.

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03 Jun 2016 10:58:38
Ultimately, I'd rather sell Coutinho than Firmino, and he will probably command a greater fee.

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02 Jun 2016 21:56:17
Two things for me concerning Coutinho.

If the speculation is true and a player no longer buys into the vision of the club and doesn't want to play for Liverpool then what's the point of keeping them?

It's not about being a seeking club it's merely about wanting players who are collectively there to create something because they believe in the vision moving forward. A vision I really do believe Klopp has.

However I also don't believe that a club can be held at ransom. So they must negotiate a transfer that also benefits them. If they can then I have no problem in letting a player go. Whether he's your best player in your squad or the worst.

The most important thing is that the player wants to be there.

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03 Jun 2016 11:15:37
Yeah fine not got a problem with that. That's not really what's caused all the issues on here.

What's irritating is these posters who are now slagging him off like bitter, spoilt children because their favourite of last week is now crap and not good enough all of a sudden. The abuse being thrown at him is the same Henderson has had all year, along with Sturridge and most of the lads.

And now, Ed002 is getting it too.


03 Jun 2016 10:09:11
I don't know how anyone can say we should sell coutinho as long as we get good money.

Teams take time to build, develop understanding etc. If we keep losing our best players it will be disruptive to the team.

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03 Jun 2016 10:24:48
But if the wee man still wants to go then what can we do?


03 Jun 2016 10:55:57
Keeping a player against his will sees him less committed to the cause and hence most likely sees his form decline and his value decrease, the two exceptions from recent seasons being Suarez and De Gea.
For 'good money' which I see as £60million, we can bring in another young, talented attacking midfielder- say Draxler, Calhanoglou (spelling.? ), Sane, Brandt. for half the price who is completely committed to the cause, leaving us with money to boost other positions of need.
We would though need to make sure we could attract one of these before flogging Couts- I can't think of a worse situation than selling Coutinho for less than £50million and then being held to ransom by Southampton for Mané, which would leave us with a less talented, older player, and having made little money!


03 Jun 2016 11:22:46
I don't know Y people think we could buy any player with the money we get from Coutinho. He is a settled player who has formed a decent understanding with the front attackers and midfielders behind him. A Catalayt in all sense. Taking him out from the equation and planting a new tree would take enormous time and the level of expectations to me matched with.
The last thing this club need is another transition with the sale of a very important player.
May be I am wrong.


03 Jun 2016 09:53:56
Well my opinion is if he wants to go then good luck to him. Let's remember HE wants to leave its not the club forcing him out so he's not happy to stay and work to rebuild the club then good riddance as far as I'm concerned.
I never understood some people on here having hissy fits when a player wants out, make the club keep him, what the f?
We have Firminho who is an excellent replacement, Lalanna can cover there plus it gives a chance for a reserve player to come through which so so many people have been crying out for.
We hopefully get 40 mill which can be used by the manager to fill other gaps in the squad.
There's no player bigger than the club lads especially when he's driving the move, come on let's get behind the ones who want to be here and the new arrivals.
Again just my opinion.

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03 Jun 2016 09:51:37
Hi eds
Seen a lot of speculation about coutinho being sold. What's is your opinion on him as a player? He is seen as one of our best so I think selling him would send out that wrong message after sterling and Suarez we don't want to be seen as a selling club. However, in terms of actual play I thought firminio brought more last year and is still adapting, and coutinho was very inconsistent and if we ignore status and look purely on what he brought to the team I think 40m plus would be a good deal for us as we already have a lot of players who play best centrally so could use the money to create a more versatile squad with quality in all areas.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure who this "wrong message" is being sent to Alex but you need to understand that players are simply transient employees of a club. If one is playing well then it is natural that other clubs will be interested. And remember, Liverpool has far too many players in the squad already so if the club wants to keep adding players then space needs to be made. Earlier in the season Coutinho told three International colleagues that he would leave if Liverpool didn't make the Champions League. We will see what happens if a an offer is made.}

03 Jun 2016 10:51:08
Key word I raja from that *if* an offer is made! Everybody jumping the gun here. Let's be fair tho all those jumping on his back! He is not an lfc fan an we are he has no ties or obligations to the club beyond his contract. He will be offered a massive move probably doubling or trebling his wages, a team that wins the league every year and challenges for the champions league every year! Really at the top of world football. Put yourself in his shoes no way you wouldn't take it. I say if he wants out then good luck to him and I wish him well. We have way to many attacking mids in his ilk anyway and firmino will probably flourish in the central role and we will have major funds to bring in a top winger like we are desperate for.


03 Jun 2016 10:51:08
Key word I raja from that *if* an offer is made! Everybody jumping the gun here. Let's be fair tho all those jumping on his back! He is not an lfc fan an we are he has no ties or obligations to the club beyond his contract. He will be offered a massive move probably doubling or trebling his wages, a team that wins the league every year and challenges for the champions league every year! Really at the top of world football. Put yourself in his shoes no way you wouldn't take it. I say if he wants out then good luck to him and I wish him well. We have way to many attacking mids in his ilk anyway and firmino will probably flourish in the central role and we will have major funds to bring in a top winger like we are desperate for.


03 Jun 2016 12:16:03
But it's like a few players who have said they would leave if we didn't make CL (Torres? ) surely they've been part of the reason why we haven't! If he wants to go and a decent, acceptable fee comes in, then sell and bring in someone who will fight for the cause! I'd rather we kept, but not against his will!


03 Jun 2016 09:38:40
I don't know why everyone's going on about Coutinho. Its not even happened yet and I'd imagine IF it does happen then it won't be anytime soon.

I'd be gutted to see him go don't get me wrong but if it happens it happens, great player with a great future, if he doesn't want to be part of our great club then so be it. We'll move on!

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03 Jun 2016 10:02:08
Well said.


03 Jun 2016 10:22:11
Jurgan you hit the nail on the head mate. Someone once said"No player is bigger then the club"I'm sure what that person ment was if a player wants to leave and not play for one of the biggest teams in Europe than so be it. Now I know Liverpool aren't the team they once were but we definitely are improving. We have a fantastic manager, brilliant owner's so we are definitely going in the right direction. Now I would love nothing more than have the wee man still with us and I would do all I can to keep him but if he still wants to leave then get the best price for him and wish him all the best of luck. There is absolutely no sense in bashing the lad he just want's what is best for him. So get off the kid's back and remember all the good times he give us and anyway he may not even go (here's hoping)
P. S. Ed002 we are football fan's and sometimes football fan's and intelligence don't go into the one sentence. So please try and excuse the one's who pissed you off.
FOR YOU ARE LEGEND ED002!


03 Jun 2016 09:38:38
There seems to be a lot of bad sentiment towards the owners of the club and also the key-players we've sold/ are likely to sell.

Personally I've been happy with the owners overall, the club is financially in a much better position now than previously, the stadium is being redeveloped (IMO expanding Anfield was favourable to the Stanley park proposal too), and let’s face it, they have spent A HELL OF A LOT of money on players.

It's important to remember that they are the owners and are not necessarily football experts, Eds correct me if I'm wrong but I see two possibilities as to the way transfer funding would work:
a) The owners just set aside an amount of money for transfer related activity, if additional money is needed then an argument is put forward to justify it.
b) LFC individually put forward an argument as to why Benteke for example is worth £34.88 million, the owners have the final say on the amount they are willing to spend on a particular player at a given time.

Either option a) or b) are exactly the same in that either way the owners have still thrown horrendous amounts of money at the club - they have no real idea how much Benteke, Lallana, Markovic, Firmino etc are worth as such, they trust the judgement of the transfer committee/ manager or whoever else. There have been some signings we have missed out on squabbling over relatively small amounts of money, however the owners need to be confident in the representatives that are scouting out these potential players if they are going to spend obscene amounts. So far, you could hardly blame them if they feel disappointed at the returns on some of their investments - £54million on Benteke and Markovic and from what I gather neither are in the long term plans of the club.

I think people should give the owners a break and focus on supporting Klopp completely – he is a very good manager and is one of the few managers who has impressed me for a long time. I don’t want our club to turn into a Man City or a Chelsea, soulless and bankrolled by oil money. I want Klopp to repeat Dortmund and I don’t think he needs vast amounts of money to do that - he just needs complete backing. If he is given time and support I genuinely believe he will build Dortmund v2.0. We need a top 4 finish, to keep all the players that took us to the top 4 and THEN we can start adding the glamorous world class players to the squad, the ones that will keep us in the top 4 consistently and hopefully challenge for the League/ CL. Right now, like it or not, the club isn’t that desirable for a world class player. If we can get a top 4 finish, hold on to Klopp as manager, keep up the incredible support and match day atmosphere then we will become very attractive again very quickly.

On the Coutinho situation, he’s a very good player and at only 23 could become something very special, he also seems like a pretty humble guy, but EVERY PLAYER HAS A PRICE – think about the value of Coutinho in two parts: What the market says he’s worth + the premium a potential buyer needs to pay given his key standing in our squad. If an offer comes in that satisfies both of those criteria then there is no real issue with Coutinho leaving. He’s a very good player and has probably been my favourite over the last couple of years so I for one will be sad if he leaves, but Klopp WILL replace him adequately and the owners WILL give him the funds he needs to do so – it could potentially be Gotze as the replacement (Very good player under Klopp), maybe Coric (I would trust Klopp to develop a very good player) .

The only regret with Coutinho would be PSG themselves as a club – yeah they’ve got wages and a guaranteed CL spot, but the competitiveness of the league is close to zero. Let’s hope he gives us one more year to get top 4.

In terms of actual rumours all I’ve got is this: I know the son of a football agent and 4/ 5 months ago he told me Kolo Toure was as good as a done deal to move to the middle east, think it was Qatar he said. Might be completely off and circumstances might have changed since, but I guess we’ll see.

I don't usually post but have been a reader for a few years now, so thanks eds for the hard work.

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03 Jun 2016 09:37:10
Just wanted to pass on my 2 cents. Ed002 has consistently provided this site with incredible information for years about players of interest to LFC. It is extremely highly valued Ed002 and appreciated. You/ we cannot let a few morons ruin this site as they have done to numerous others. It is unfortunate to put it mildly that the postings of a few idiots are affecting this site. Please continue to post as it is your insight into Clubs, FIFA, UEFA, transfer dealings; finances etc that makes this site quite simply the best LFC site on the net. Without your input and the other Eds it will become merely like all of the other hate filled; over-reacting; childish LFC sites that litter the Internet. Regardless of your inputs from now on (which will hopefully recommence) I just wanted to say "thanks" for the insights over the years.

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{Ed002's Note - I do understand this and really do appreciate what is being said. I have explained the problem and recognize it is nothing to do with the vast majority. Just let it ride today and we will see how it goes. I am sure I will be less pissed off later.}

03 Jun 2016 09:54:01
I ****ing love you Ed002 xxx.


{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure I appreciate that quite as much.}

03 Jun 2016 10:01:26
👍👍 good news.


03 Jun 2016 10:28:26
Yayyy!


03 Jun 2016 11:04:10
Agreed- nothing winds me up more in work than having to repeat myself umpteen (it's an actual number) times because muppets don't listen. Feel your pain eds but what you do is genuinely appreciated so many thanks. Also I feel like the main man passing on your info to friends and being in the loop. Obviously I take all the credit tho!


03 Jun 2016 11:20:03
Ed02 is back! Now browsing the internet has meaning again! You were missed, ed!


03 Jun 2016 11:22:32
But aren't you always p*ssed off Ed002, that's why we all luurrve you so much.


{Ed002's Note - Generally I am Johnny m(if taht is your real name).}

03 Jun 2016 09:20:23
i sort of can't understand coutinho. he is only 23 so he has a lot of time to play in chapions league. he just settled after 3 seasons, new exciting manager, new stand, high expectations from next season and he want to change premier league with french league to get out in quarter finals of champions league (without zlatan psg will be 20% weaker) . maybe he wants an upgrade in contract so he uses this way. if real, juventus, barca or bayern came knocking i would maybe understand but if you change liverpool for psg you are not a hero in my eyes anymore. stay and fight for your club where is loyalty and togetherness . hopefully it is just newspapers pumping things.

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03 Jun 2016 09:30:20
Psg is a step up on Liverpool at the moment. Hopefully klopp can change that but they are competing for the highest level trophies. They will spend big money replacing zlat and in my opinion will be stronger next year. There's a reason they did not offer him a new contract. Let's face it . Wages aside whic would increase substantially, live in Paris vs Liverpool - no contest.


03 Jun 2016 09:42:09
I don't think age has any relevance here. For example Coric is just 19 and chased by every club around the world. PSG comeptes for CL year in year out and has some very high profile names in their squad. Paris is a fine city follwed by big wages. And more importantly they would be the only club to offer large amount of money for the player. Its all assumption as we need to get from Ed02 the actual number of clubs behind the player.


03 Jun 2016 09:10:52
eds. i know you don't talk finances and you said that more money than sterling would be enough to lure couts away but i'm interested in which direction klopp will go to replace him. it is obvious we need wide players now. not only one but two. and firmino will be played through the midle, two new wingers and origi up front to rotate with ings sturridge and possibly a young guy like coric. it doesn't lok bad if we finally sign 2 good direct, inteligent wingers. unfourtantly those are rare. would likle to see draxler and rafa silva but wolfsburg paid a fortune for him so he probably ain't viable option. so we need a left back, midfielder (i would like dahoud but that will not happen), and 2 wingers.4 good buys and we are up there lol.

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03 Jun 2016 05:27:38
HI ed002. could you answer a question please or guys could you please redirect me if it has been answered
i was just reading how the transfers actually happen post by you. it was vast knowledge and you covered subjects like agents, fees, taxes and how the figures quoted are not nearly close to the actual figures.
this time around i wanted to pick your brains on third party ownership. I don't think English game has them, but a lot of players especially south american leagues and italy have third party ownerships, where in some company or may two or more clubs own certain players. I have read numerous times from you that TPO are just dreadful to deal with. I would like to know how different it is than say a normal trnasfer between two clubs? is third party ownership legal in like governing bodies like UEFA?

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{Ed002's Note - It no longer happens in Italy but is rife in South America and Portugal. It means that part of the ownership (rights) of the player are held by another club, an investor, and agent or whatever. If it is another club that is generally quick and easy to find out where a potential buyer stands. Anyone else and they are looking at it simply for profit and the caeer of the player comes second.}

03 Jun 2016 00:09:19
This has actually ruined my day. Coming home to check eds comments and to see nothing. Please come back ed2. The site can only work with you guys and is only worthwhile with your comments. As the equals sang " Baby, come back"

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03 Jun 2016 08:42:28
I think coutinho is unbelievable defiantly but he only scores in important matches! It annoys me so much that he can't score in not so big matches (but he does assist them which is good enough buy he's a world class player and needs to score more goals! ) .

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03 Jun 2016 08:58:25
I am sorry, He is not a striker to judge his goal tally, His most important role is to link Hendo / Can to Sturridge and Origi which he does magnificently, In between he also scores some spectaculars as well. If you put him in the bracket of midfielders, He has a better stats than any other Midfileder in the team. His solo gaol aaginst UTD under pressure at OT was the best I saw last season. He has improved his compsoure and finishing. Convince him, Keep him and build a fantasic core around him. Set the target of consistent CL appearance and you could see players sticking with us and want to join.

This is My opinon.


03 Jun 2016 09:17:38
Wasn't he our top scorer in all comps this season? Not bad for a 23 years supposedly inconsistent player. Bottom line is he's our most talented player and we should do all we can to keep him. His inconsistency comes down to teams setting up to stop him- Suarez was the last player they did that with. As he gets older he will Learn to deal with that better. Can't stand all this 'over rated ' rubbish. If he leaves he will be going to a team doing better than Liverpool right now so if anyone thinks it's a good thing losing our best players and becoming a stepping stone club they are deluded.


03 Jun 2016 08:16:00
How many of you folks would object to the unlikely scenario of selling Coutinho but reinvesting that $ in signing Higuain?

Anybody would be unhappy with that? Ed1?

It's unlikely I know. Just wondering what everyone thinks. :)

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{Ed001's Note - his injury record and age would make me look elsewhere personally.}

03 Jun 2016 08:31:14
We don't need another striker to replace coutinho.


03 Jun 2016 09:51:51
U have to think to we have no Europe football this season to.


03 Jun 2016 08:11:58
I think if Coutinho wants to leave, we should let him. Even if he does stay, his heart won't be 100% in it. He's a vety good player but he hasn't been consistently good. Pretty anonymous in the Europa Final actually.

But of course he hasn't actually stated that he wants to leave so let's see how it pans out.

But even if he did leave, the way Klopp has turned some of the players around, I won't be surprised if Markovic or Luis Alberto had blinding seasons next term.


Klopp us key. Doesn't matter who leaves as long as he stays.

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03 Jun 2016 09:31:21
Don't forget it was the team, that got Brendan Rogers to second place. It was the team that got a world class manager like Jose mourinho sacked. It was the team that won Leicester the title last season. He managers had something to do with it of course, but my point is, when you have even more of an average team it is very very unlikely that we overachieve and get top 4. Coutinho goes, and we have to go some way to replace him, it doesn't exactly have to be a attacking midfielder but that money needs to be reinvested in top quality. Not the same way sterling and Suarez money was invested. And honestly I don't have any confidence in that happening, even with a changing of management.


03 Jun 2016 07:58:28
Morning Ed (s) I was very impressed with the lad Pereira for Portugal last night, any idea what the future holds for this lad?
Any chance he is on our radar?

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{Ed001's Note - which Pereira? It is an extremely common name and I never watched the game so don't know which one it could be. I am not a big fan of international footie so only watch it if I have to!}

03 Jun 2016 08:03:13
Sorry Ed, defensive midfielder Danilo Pereira I think he's at Porto.


{Ed001's Note - yeah he only joined them last summer, but they are always willing to sell for a large profit. I have not heard of anyone chasing him, but Porto do attract large numbers of scouts for their games.}

03 Jun 2016 08:32:23
Cheers Ed, I like the look of him. By the way you didn't miss anything by not watching England last night except of course more evidence of just how overrated Rooney is.


{Ed001's Note - watching England is particularly tiresome these days it must be said.}

03 Jun 2016 07:48:23
Morning all

Things are very quite on here, well the eds are and have not replied to many posts. I no you guys are busy people so i guess will here from you as and when.

Really hope Coutinho does not go to PSG.

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03 Jun 2016 07:31:25
Really concerned about Macca's post about FSG selling up. Long term ratifications are frightening. how on earth are we going to be able to suitably replace Linda Pizutti?! Perhaps Massimo Cellino to sell up at Leeds and transfer his daughter to LFC? 😂.

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03 Jun 2016 06:31:47
If Coutinho went last season, i wouldn't have cared that much.
This season he has preety much improved and does have some bad patches in some games but overall his shooting has improved, decision making is improving and less dribling and getting into important positions. He is a different player under klopp and it would be a mistake to sell him.

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03 Jun 2016 07:34:33
We sell him and we go back to ground Zero. Some here mentioning Lallana and other No10's to take his place are delude. Lallana couldn't hit a barn door while All the expectations would be on Firmino from now on. We need to keep him. Comparing his stats over the years is ridicules. His presence is the biggest threat for the opposition which enables us to create a bit of space. I have seen matched without Coutinho and we looked toothless upfront with Sturridge dropping as deeper closer to Migs.


03 Jun 2016 08:25:22
I would imagine he would be replaced by goetze or an other suitable replacement who is as talented or more so. Unlike the endless diatribe about his consistency or talent i think he is an excellent player. But as ed002 has tried to educate some of the troglodytes, players are transient, there is no need to throw your dummies out the mouth and stamp your feet just because he wants to leave. Better players have left the club and more will in the future because we are not in a position to hang onto them.

Have some decorum and thank him for his service should the rumour come to fruition. Btw i use the royal you for all the numpties that have shown us up again over tha last few days on this site.


03 Jun 2016 09:27:13
Totally agree JB. The guy has been our best player for a while now. I'm surprised he doesn't seem to fancy sticking around and being part of what Klopp is going to build, but the Eds have repeated stated that he wanted to leave if we fail to get into the CL. Whatever you think about his performance/ absence in the final, it took 11 men to lose to Sevilla, not just Coutinho.
We thank him for the work he's done here, get as much of PSGs money as we can and spend it WISELY this time. And when he comes back to Anfield in a couple of years in the CL, we cheer him on but make sure he and his team leave with no points!
Great guy, magical player, but not bigger than LFC. Right now we cannot keep the best players. Klopp will change that. In Klopp we trust!


03 Jun 2016 04:37:42
We were basically 1 game away from Champions League. If a player wanted to play Champions League football, and deserved to play Champions League football, they should have played out of their skins in that match.
Why do modern players think that to be able to play Chamipons League football, they need to move to a club that's in it? NO! To play Champions League football a player should help his club qualify for it!
Coutinho is a brilliant player, we are a good side, we have a good manager. Its up to the players to now play to their potential and work with their world class manager and qualify for it.

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03 Jun 2016 07:32:16
Andy I think you're a little naive, simple fact is Champions League talks, money talks and that's what players want regardless of being so close. The moral and ethical response is players should play out of their skins but they don't week in week out. Sad state of football I'm afraid.


03 Jun 2016 07:00:04
Nice in theory, Andy, but in a career that could be over in ten years its a lot easier to jump ship for more money and better chance of success. Club loyalty has all but gone these days.


03 Jun 2016 04:11:32
Don't get me wrong I think couts is magic but if he wants to go and we could maybe bring in goetze or rues as a replacement then I don't really think it would harm us that much as we have a few no"10s firmino. Lallana and possibly goetze? just trying to put a good spin on things. hopfully he stays and we add more quality. ynwa.

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03 Jun 2016 07:30:40
Could you explain y would Reus joins us? If he is made available there would beavy weights offering ridiculous money.


03 Jun 2016 07:41:45
Should try to keep Coutinho and Frimino, but replace Lallana.


03 Jun 2016 12:49:01
Reus would join (hopefully) due to the klopp factor as every former player of his seems to really speak highly about working with him.


03 Jun 2016 02:49:20
Hi eds! Again don't listen to people that don't care about this site or LFC. You guys are the best imo! Respect! I would like to ask just one question. What is the deal with our transfers ins and outs! everything went quiet! Its because of the Euros and Copa América?

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

03 Jun 2016 02:42:04
As soon as i wake up, and before i go to sleep, i check this site for my daily info, every day without fail, always have, and always will. I have visited this amazing site since it first started, a long time now, but i have only ever posted twice, and the second time i posted, the Eds helped me by posting some pictures of my product i had designed, they really are genuinely nice guys. I used to work delivering the news papers to the shops in bulk, so i used to see the back page headlines every morning early hours, then i used to race home in my van and go straight to my laptop and on to this site, only to find out from Ed 02 that we were not signing Ronaldo to my dismay, and i would repeat the process every day until i eventually quit that job. My point being, i read that post that said we should only listen to Macca, and i must say, i was very angry, i too love Macca, but trust me when i say this. Ed 02 is the only person i have ever known to be a hundred percent correct all the time, he or she really is amazing, and we should all be very grateful to him or her for taking the time to share his or her vast knowledge with us mere mortals. Some people on here might not appreciate Ed 02, but i know i do, and my life would not be the same without you, so please carry on Ed 02, as your info makes so many people happy.

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03 Jun 2016 07:01:53
Apple-polisher ;)


03 Jun 2016 02:35:20
Klopp's gone mental by allowing joe gomez to go on loan to celtic.

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03 Jun 2016 02:11:39
I thought we were meant to have the best fans in the world? This makes me sick! People on here turning on Coutinho because he's asked to leave, because he has ambition? Part of me wants him to leave now, not because of his ability or attitude or him wanting to leave, but because he deserves a lot better on this. I don't even know why this reaction surprises me anymore. People were criticised Sturridge for his reaction to not playing. Actually criticising a player for wanting to play. Shocking. And don't get me started about what has been said about Hendo!

It really makes me wonder if some of you watch football. For a start Coutinho overrated? This just shows your bitterness, if he was overrated Bayern, Barcelona and PSG wouldn't have been interested in him at any stage.
Inconsistent? He's 23 years old consistency will come.
Doesn't perform in big games?
Scored the winner against City the year we finished 2nd in what was claimed to be the title decider, scored the equaliser in the league cup final, didn't play great yet still made a difference, scored v United and Dortmund in the Europa League knockout stages. To me that's a big game player. And even in the Europa League final where he was anonymous he still helped make a difference by actually getting Sturridge on the ball for the goal.
Some of the comments on here are are absolutely ridiculous. Clueless! If Coutinho leaves it'll be a sad day for the club. It's funny how a lot of the ones that get the abuse on here, Coutinho, Hendo, Sturridge, are the ones that are too good for us. Why should they stay at a club that finished 8th? Why should we, as fans, expect them to want to stay if abuse is hurled at them after any poor performance? Why should we expect players to sign for us if they are criticised before even signing? Some of you need to catch a grip. Support the players. Support the manager. Support the owners. They'll never walk alone!

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03 Jun 2016 05:14:17
Totally true, coutinho is destined to be one of the best players of our gen.
and its not even like this came out of the blue, he said he would want to leave if we can't get to CL. he tried his best to get us there and we would nearly be there too if not for one really bad half in the final.
I think he is within his rights wanting to leave for success and better pay possibly, but i also believe LFC are also in their rights to get the best money for him, or to block a move untill a definite replacement has been signed. He has given us so many cracking moments, so let's cherish those. there is absolutely no point in keeping a player against his wishes. he might perform super human levels this season get us into CL and then leave for likes of the biggest clubs in spain, which is for me even more harmful for us as a team.
this will drag on i guess and i think we as fans should give it a rest. He is not the first player to do this, he won't be the last. As long as they remembers fondly of LFC and things don't turn sour ( a. l. a sterling) they will never walk alone.


03 Jun 2016 08:56:15
Spot on 'YOU' this is not at all good for the club to arguably be selling out most talented player . If he leaves and in 3 years times starts hitting peak . can you imagine the moans on here about FSG selling him. Half the time his inconsistency is down to teams playing a specific system to counter him- they are that worried about him. Ony other player they did that with was Suarez. He will only Lear to deal with that oppositions focus as he gets older- and consistency will come.


03 Jun 2016 01:36:53
Ive not been able to go on the pages recently but what on earth is happening here, its like anarchy.

I'm still confused about the coutinho thing as the eds don't seem to have said a lot about it for a while. However the slagging off of him and henderson is just bizarre as are the arguments that are coming with it?

And what on earth has happened to ed002?

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02 Jun 2016 22:10:37
Hey Ed's long time. Hope you all are enjoying your time. Magnificent work Ed002 and Ed001 as always. I have a question, are Liverpool looking at Andre Gomes as Liverpool did scout him few times under Roger's and again under Jurgen Klopp also Manutd have their firm interest in him so would he be a viable option or is out of our (Liverpool) reach.
Thanks Ed's. Doing Great.
Pi.

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