Liverpool Banter Archive March 03 2017

03 Mar 2017
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Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Funny how 5 games can change an opinion.

04 Mar 2017 07:04:54
Find that quite interesting and is why the comparison of Moyes at UTD vs Klopp at LFC win ratios are so skewed.

According to the image posted by Ed033, First 50 games, Klopp ranks 8th best for most points since the Premier League started. Moyes did not even make the top 10. Neither has any other manager of ours before Klopp i. e. Rafa, Houllier, Rodgers etc in their first 50 EPL games done better than Klopp when it comes to most points in first 50 EPL mathces.

My conclusion is that Klopp is taking us into the right direction and with 17 months so far in charge, he should be given a fair crack at it and the opportunity to build his own squad and then he can be judged accordingly. If that takes another 2 summer windows then so be it.

Getting rid of Klopp before his contract ends would be an absolute disaster. There are no quality managers available at this point. It is not like we can go call up the likes of Ancelotti tomorrow as he is not going to join Liverpool anytime soon. Neither will a manager like Conte and anyone wanting Rafa back or who think Rafa will come back are living in La La land. Not going to happen.

We need to stick with Klopp as long as possible and give him the opportunity to try correct the mistakes of the past. After his third season it will become clear whether he has either left us in the same situation as when he took the job or set us up to go onto better things.

Fingers crossed, Klopp will get things right.

04 Mar 2017 07:23:33
So with Moyes having a better win % at Utd and Van Gaal getting 2 more points in his first 50 games I'm guessing Klopp has no chance.

04 Mar 2017 08:14:35
Let's complicate things a little bit.

The managers ahead of Klopp in the top 10 for most points in 50 matches in order are Mourinho, Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Ferguson, O'Leary, Keegan and then Van Gaal.

So as it stands, removing every manager who is no longer involved in the EPL, only Mourinho has a better points haul in his first 50 EPL matches than Klopp and Klopp has not had the benefit of completing a full season as yet.

If only Klopp was available from the very start of last season, who knows things might have been different as they currently stand. One thing is for sure, Benteke would not have been a Liverpool player if Klopp joined at the start of last season. As it is, getting rid of Benteke was a headache and would have been interesting to see who Klopp would have signed instead of Benteke should he have decided that he wanted the job at the start of last season.

The predicament Klopp found himself in with the squad which was left from by the previous regime is one that was not going to be easy to fix, especially when Liverpool are not the number one destination for top of the crop players.

The signings Klopp has made so far though, Matip, Wijnaldum and Mane in my opinion represent value for money compared to the players which Klopp moved on. Jury is still out on Grujic and Karius but they still need to be given a crack at it.

It all comes down to this, squad after squad which has featured every season before Klopp arrived was not good enough to win the EPL. Klopp will need time.

04 Mar 2017 08:50:49
Stats? Isn't it?
End of the day the jury's out for Klopp.
One league cup final loss. One Europa cup final loss.
One league finish didn't qualify for europe.
Knocked out by weaker teams in all other cup comps.
He needs a good league finish, Europa as minimum.
Simple as that?

04 Mar 2017 09:04:52
Simple quesion do you think he has showed enough alongside the team to have next season?

Yes. Title challengers after 1 pre season and 3 firdt team signings.

Next summer is another season wih klopp. Another pre season ans probably another 2 or 3 first tean players.

04 Mar 2017 09:11:31
Nothing is simple when it comes to being manager of LFC kaip and the jury would be out on any other manager who takes the LFC job especially when Liverpool have been a club in decline for way over two decades now.

If Klopp was sent packing now, which manager do we bring in to try fix things? Are we going to expect that manager to win the League straight away? We will not find a manager more suited the the LFC job than Klopp at this point and along with that, we will struggle to appoint a manager with the CV of Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti etc etc etc.

If we are going to employ a manager to just get us to finish top 4 every season then what is the point in getting rid of Klopp before his contract is up? Winning the league should be the prize we aim for and that most likely would not have happened if we even employed a manager like Guardiola. It is not like he has had an easy task at Man City in his first season when City have a better squad than us.

Can you imagine Guardiola managing the same squad Klopp took over from Rodgers last season? He probably would have laughed at FSG if they ever approached him to take over from Rodgers.

Klopp was well aware that he would be under pressure from the very start when he was made our manager. The Liverpool job comes with pressure, loads of it. There was pressure on Klopp last season, there is pressure this season and there will be pressure next season.

The jury has been out on every manager before Klopp? So who do we get to replace him?

04 Mar 2017 09:21:09
Managers should be judged on their record in competitions. it really is simple as that mun.

04 Mar 2017 09:31:51
See you cannot answer a simple question kaip.

Managers should be judged on what they have achieved in their careers. Klopp has been in charge for 17 months at Liverpool.

How many trophies has Liverpool won in the last ten years kaip and has Klopp had enough time at this point to try find a solution to take the club forward?

04 Mar 2017 09:40:26
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Don't hate mun its only my view.

04 Mar 2017 09:49:39
I am not hating your view. You say the jury is out on Klopp when I have stated the jury would be out on any other manager who takes the LFC job but you give no solutions.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but to just moan and say it is as simple as that makes arguing with you like arguing with a brick wall.

04 Mar 2017 10:25:12
I don't moan, the wife does.
Managers are judged on their record in competitions, Klopps so far is underwhelming. that's fact mun.

03 Mar 2017 18:48:10
Hey guys
So what's the general feeling about Saturday?

I feel a bit annoyed that the mood is big - a big build up cos it's arsenal

But I prefer Liverpool to whoop some team at the lower end of the table and actually be up for it

Or am I just crazy for thinking that.

{Ed025's Note - the men in white coats are on their way redsquad.. :)

03 Mar 2017 19:55:26
I think we're going to win this game. There will be a backlash from the Leicester game.

{Ed025's Note - one would hope so ken..

03 Mar 2017 20:05:00
Damn it ed I thought I was sane! Haha ahh well I guess I better just get over that loss then.

{Ed025's Note - we are all as nutty as squirrels farts on here mate.. :)

03 Mar 2017 21:05:31
Nutty as squirrels fart's brilliant Ed. Can I use that?

{Ed025's Note - be my guest barry..

03 Mar 2017 16:33:26
With reference to the sturidge talk. I've said it before. and I'll continue saying it.
We would be fools to let him go.
I don't know what's going on behind the scenes or anything but the guy can put the ball in the net. Works well with Bobby in my opinion.
Offer a contract with play clauses in. Injury clauses. but keep him. Seriously, we moan about an out and out world class 30 a season striker. We got one.

{Ed025's Note - do you really think any top footballer would have a pay if you play clause in his contract viagression? your talking through your hat there mate, studge is a quality player but has no heart for me, so as good as he can be he lets himself down with his poor attitude general wimpiness when it comes to niggling injuries, so hes no good to liverpool sitting in the stands half the time..

03 Mar 2017 17:11:28
Would rather replace him with lacazette and play firmino in his natural position.

03 Mar 2017 17:21:21
Studge needs to go he doesn't fit our style, He plays at best 1 in 3 games, His bet season came in a strike force of 2,that Klopp clearly won't be using, We're keeping a possible £2o million+ striker on the bench for th 80th minute as an impact sub, and half the time he won't make the bench through injury. He's no good t the squad for me, as I've said before we could get other players ho offer more in Klopps formation and tactics who won't b on the bench or injury table. If a decent offer comes in, I'd snatch the hand off. He was great but just CAN NOT get on the field atm.

03 Mar 2017 18:16:40
Unfortunately we cannot guarantee no injuries for any player, always a risk.

{Ed025's Note - it is a risk ak but some players like sturridge rule themselves out with a broken finger nail, as klopp asked him "how injured are you?" some players play with a bit of a knock but others like that prima donna just take the piss for me mate...so man up you big tart!.. :)

03 Mar 2017 19:33:05
The actual history of klopp and sturridge shows were he is at this moment.

Klopp takes over sturridge injured.

Sturridge back from injury end of november fans predicting title.

Sturridge plays 1 game. middle of the week news breaks sturridge out with hanstring injury

Klopp comes out and speaks about footballers and certain injuries being part and parcel of the game etc (3rd person about sturridgr)

Sturridge hamstring injury recovered wuthin a few days and back ready for selection

After next game sturridge talks after game about wabting to be 100% so he can be th3 best he can be etc.

Alongside all th8 gerrard has alluded to sturridge and his 'niggles' and the attitude of suarez helped sturridge play through abiy more stuff during title run in.

Sturridge now has never looked sharp since. Slways a yard off and im convinced personally he is saying to himself ill be fit for you then but i won't be as sharp as i can. people talk abiut working hard, do you not remember how great he was at tracking back in the diamond. Brendan use to have suarez and sturridge come. back and cover the wings out of posession and numerous times he was in our half talking lb/ rb etc.

I think maybe aswel he needs to do a lot less than the others to protect his muscles and maybe klopp doesn't like that.

Its my opinion but just look at the facts.

{Ed025's Note - he is a grown man who is treated with kid gloves and has a great medical team pampering to his every wish supermane, what he really needs is to grow a set of balls and run his arse off and start putting a shift in, but he wont because he is at his happiest sitting on the bench or convalescing next to a pool in florida with a cocktail in his hand, fans can make as many excuses as they want but in the end we all know the score, he is a big girls blouse who sees the game as a chore and is only worried about raking in the dosh and utilizing his celebrity lifestyle mate..

03 Mar 2017 19:45:06
I'm over the whole Studge nonsense and if he goes, I'm all for it cos he's of no use to us injured of when he does play. Those saying we would be fools to let him go are fooling themselves. What is he doing for us now to warrant being kept? Cos he used to be a good player 3 years ago with LS? News Flash: That player no longer exists hence, cut bait and get over it.

03 Mar 2017 20:01:02
Sturridge is Quality but also injury prone and always struck me as a bit of a mummys boy.

You can't argue with the lads ability but in any walk of life or any job where your available for only 15 % of the time then you have to expect criticism and accept changes have to be made.

It's obvious that he needs to play in a less physical league.
Maybe FIFA 17.

03 Mar 2017 20:18:39
Ed25 great response mate, that's class.

03 Mar 2017 20:41:36
I know it's not a true comparison but when I played amateur in France, I never missed a game nor training session for 3 years and played with bad ankles and weak knees.

Why? I loved the game so much and wanted to play every time hence, I made sure I stayed fit and never went out drinking or partying the day before a game so I could get myself and head right to play well.

This I think is why Studge is always injured or thinks he can't play. I football was that easy, everybody would do it. Players are not always injury free. In fact, No player is Hendo has played with pain killing injections numerous times.

Suarez never misses a game cos he just wants to play anytime and will do all he can to play. He played and beat England at the World Cup with one functional knee. Baggio played and almost won a World Cup with a bad hamstring.

Ronaldo won the World Cup in Japan with one surgically repaired knee at 75% fitness levels. Sanchez played for both Chile and Arsenal on two bad hamstrings. Do you see Studge doing any of these? If your answer is No, then you know the type of player you have on your hands.

03 Mar 2017 21:12:20
Ed025 mate you have come out and said what everyone on this site know's deep down in our hearts is the truth 👏.

{Ed025's Note - i just say it as i see it barry, im sure a lot wont agree with me but thats not my problem mate..

03 Mar 2017 20:51:07
klopp told Sturridge basically no footballer is ever 100% fit. Sturridge has taken it literal like right if you don't want me super sharp then ill just do the minimum.

Hes not someone fighting back. Someone whose devestated there injured or have been. Like i said before, if it was coming back from injury that was causing this then why isn't he trying all different things to get himself back to his best. Different specialists, techniques, programmes. Swimming and yoga. those sort of things.

Point is he isn't fighting to get back from injury because this isn't a problem from an injury its his attitude.

03 Mar 2017 21:25:40
I'm probably going to get lashed out of it as well for agreeing with you but you are right.

{Ed025's Note - there is nothing wrong with opinions barry mate..

04 Mar 2017 00:16:09
Last question are toy all still going on about sturridge only bwing avaliable for short periods.

Hes been avaliable all season.

Its not that, but the faxt that when he's played he's offeres nothing at all and looks a 10tj the player he was.

He can't get a game rather than not beint avaliable for one.

04 Mar 2017 07:57:43
I resisted the sell Sturridge line of thinking for ages. But now I think it's the only realistic option.
He's not looked the same player this season. He doesn't seem to want to try and use that explosive pace he has over the first 10 yards. This could be mental, as he's afraid of getting injured again. Or he physically isn't capable of it anymore.
Either way with the style we employ Sturridge just doesn't fit anymore. He needs chances handed to him on a plate otherwise it's like playing with 10 men as the few games I've seen him play he has offered nothing.
The constant niggles annoy me too. No player is ever 100% fit every match. Henderson has that foot problem that can't be cured only managed, yet is one of our most important players. If Sturridge isn't willing to play at 80 or 90% then sell up.

04 Mar 2017 11:53:49
Aren't we all missing the point that even when he does play he's absolutely shocking? Poor touch, poor finishing, poor work rate. Missed 2 sitters against Southampton at Anfield. I know anyone can miss but if he's missing those kinds of chances then there really is no point having him. It's a shame because he could've been amazing in our team but time to get rid I think.

03 Mar 2017 15:35:03
For opinion, as money may be tight due to a potential squad overhaul would any of you guys, be willing for the following:

Sell Coutinho and use the money for an out and out striker like Lacazette? I'm basing this also on Sturridge moving on.
Thoughts?

03 Mar 2017 15:55:08
Would rather have Coutinho than Lacazette.

A striker who's only played in France, hasn't exactly blown the league away either, he's been okay. Can't get into the France starting 11 either (not that telling but when trying to judge an unproven player, it gives you an idea)

No thanks.

03 Mar 2017 17:23:10
Muller wouldn't be bad for the team, think he'd fit perfectly.

03 Mar 2017 19:47:37
There is a reason Lacazette is still at Lyon, Mcgoveb. He ain't worth the money and no one will pay the outrageous fee Lyon will be asking for especially knowing that the price will skyrocket if a PL team came in for him.

03 Mar 2017 19:24:38
Coutinho is a midfielder, I would sell Firmino for a 20 plus goal scorer. Where would Firmino play if we buy Lacazzate assuming Mane plays on right and Brandt plays on left? Firmino is like Thomas Muller. Good player no place if you have top class striker up front.

04 Mar 2017 12:12:21
isnt muller playing while they have lewandowski, a top class striker?

03 Mar 2017 10:36:06
Hey Eds, a few weeks ago Klopp said that moves were being made and discussions were beginning for the summer transfer business. The thing he did not clarify if that meant discussion amongst LFC or with target clubs. Also do you know who the club maybe targeting or who do you all thing the club is realistic targets. Cheers Eds.

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts, listen to the Sharkpods - this is what the site is about.}

03 Mar 2017 07:07:16
Hi Eds, not that I've seen any rumours but remember seeing some in one of the previous transfer windows. do we have or have we ever had any interest in Gary Medel from Inter Milan?

This is more of a personal question as I'm from Chile and he's one of my favourite players, who I think would be an extremely affordable and effective CDM who can also cover in the backline (he does it for Chile) . His passion and work rate is second to none and he's a big time leader. Nicknamed El Pitbull for his tenacity he'd be the Chilean scouser haha.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - This is not the place to ask - we cannot be expected to deal with questions about random players. But the answer is no, Liverpool has no interest and he will not be moving this summer.}

03 Mar 2017 08:34:05
At least he'd bring some passion to the team.

{Ed001's Note - and it would make me happy as I have been wanting us to sign him for years!}

03 Mar 2017 14:39:41
He is exactly the type of midfielder that we need and I'd love to have him but we can only hope.

03 Mar 2017 19:47:04
Still hoping, tho.

04 Mar 2017 09:17:14
Thanks Eds and everyone for your replies, and sorry if I shouldn't have asked that.

To be honest, he's such an underrated player and would only cost like 10-15M. Oh well, I hope we get a good CDM. Thanks.