Liverpool Banter Archive May 03 2012
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03 May 2012 23:20:13
Ed the call for Rafa to return can be summed up briefly...Xabi Alonso out £25m world class player,
sorely missed&never replaced... in Alberto Aqualini £20m hardly kicked a ball &always crocked
Yep cos he had a say in aqualani
As opposed to KKs bargain buy superstars ?
Alonso was sold for 30m
Aquilani was 17mil
Carroll was 35m
Downing around 20m
Henderson around 17m
Its not looking to good for Dalglish.
Benitez had an unbelievable turn around of players and could sign a different class of player as he was willing to put avg players on world class wages . kenny doesnt do that.
NZL_red
03 May 2012 22:55:32
hi eds and fans, a question to ed001, what do you think is the price of Cisse, and would you like to see him at lfc or is he just having a good run now?
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - I can't see why they would sell for less than 25m, I don't know if I would want him. I haven't seen enough of him to make my mind up.}
Er... tell us again why he would want to come to Liverpool?
I'm with you ed, let's see if he gets 2nd season syndrome
Everyone wanted Ba at LFC but now he can't buy a goal. Torres, Carroll, Ba ... all prolific one minute then zip. It seems you just can't easily buy consistency these days. {Ed001's Note - Ba is mostly playing out wide now Cisse is there.}
Surely it's better to try and find our own "diamonds" as opposed to buying the latest striker in good form?
Richards
03 May 2012 22:37:37
Arjen Robben has signed a new contract with Bayern Munich until 2015
Dutchmal
Phew. Bullet dodged there. thought he was going to sign for a minute.
cozinoz {Ed002's Note - There was no chance of a move to Liverpool but I understand there remains interest from Sicily.}
03 May 2012 22:23:21
So hope bellamy plays Saturday and rips terry apart. Terry just can't handle him and will show what an overrated player he is
Yes you're right, out of the 2 its Terry who is over-rated. Tell me again, how many premiership medals has Bellamy got? Also, lets be realistic for a second, Terry is better than everyone of your centre backs. Just ask Carragher, he didn't get near the England team when JT was around. Now there's a player who's over-rated!
OsgoodIsKing
Osgoodisking your clueless mate. Terry is carp. He is slow and can't handle pace. It doesn't matter about medals you fool it comes down to ability and bellamy will run him ragged and show him up to be to be over rated player. Besides saurez will meg Jim for fun too! How many times have we beat you this year?
OsgoodIsKing do yo truely believe that Terry is better than Daniel Agger? Daniel Agger can actually tackle people without tearing the oppositions shirt off.
And how is Bellamy overrated. Tell me how you can justify a player who is quicker than almost every player in the chelsea team and is 32 years old 'overrated'
GOD
Terry hasnt been the same player since Carvalho left Chelsea.
Sam Adzii JFT96
Wonder who Terry is going to needlessly kick this Saturday? Bellers? Luis? Maxi? They've all got the beating of him. Red card sweepstake anyone?
ND
Coates is a better defender than him
k-h
This is a stupid argument. Terry is a good defender and Bellamy is a good attacker. You can't deny someone's qualities just because they're a pr*ck. If Carroll, Suarez and Bellamy all played for Man Utd, what would you think of them then? Admit it, you'd probably hate them.
03 May 2012 21:39:25
Clint Dempsey would be a poor signing. Good player but we need players who other teams will be scared of playing against. We can't go to Old Trafford and expect 30 year old Clint Dempsey to terrify their defence. Players like Gaston Ramirez who could become world beaters is what we need, not Fulham players
So you don't think a player that terrorises our defence is good enough against Man United's defence? ok...
03 May 2012 21:24:27
Just want to say all the very best to Jody Craddock(Wolves)his 2&a half year old boy who is ill with a very though battle ahead.....We are all with you little man...YNWA!!
All the best to the little lad. Craddok family our thoughtsare with you stay strong and remember ynwa.
Quigz23
03 May 2012 21:21:56
Elm sounds like a tool, somebody else can take him. speaking to De Telegraaf, the Sweden international said: "I didn't know Liverpool [scouts] were in the stadium. But if so, too bad for them."
Translated? He probably said it differently. Many players are "tools" but I doubt he was saying that in a way of arrogance.
BthekingB
He wasnt being disrespectful, its all in the translation :)
Or he can't speak English properly and the quote is messed up?
KT! {Ed001's Note - wasn't he saying that because he didn't play in that game?}
He wasn't playing he was attending the birth of his child (I think). But if this is true why did we send anyone anyway? Surely our scouts would've known he wouldn't be playing.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
He probably meant that it was a shame they came all this way to watch him because he didn't play.
I live in sweden,all swedish people under 45 talk better english than most of you!
03 May 2012 21:20:18
Ian Ayre interview with lfctv... http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/xqk7is_ian-ayre-on-lfc-accounts_lifestyle
03 May 2012 21:11:35
Any else going to the cup final? Can't wait myself.
Predictions??
Suarez, Bellamy, Gerrard 3-1
PD6
I am got two quality tickets 115 a pair big time looking to go.
First trip to Wembley
Eldon Shepherds Bush Red
No mate - I think you'll be the only one there. I've heard they couldn't sell more than one ticket, that must've been yours. Nick. (P.S. Lucky sod!)
We never win when I predict a win for us so im gonna go for a 2-0 Chelsea win but will be unbelieveably happy to be proved wrong!
2-1 Liverpool, after extra time
Yes, the one in Munich :))
2-1 liverpool
suarez, maxi & meireles
03 May 2012 20:59:33
great website guys. i got to say that if we don't win this saturday, then we will get so much stick from the media. kenny has got to shut them up by winning the fa cup. if we win the double this season then it can give us a boost for next season. in my opinion, the players that started against fulham did not show any pride and must go. spearing thought he was messi, shelvey thought he was gerrard and why play aurelio when he is injury prone?. what do u guys think?
03 May 2012 20:32:39
Evening Eds and Fellow Reds ,Just seen Ian Aryes interview , and i feel a little bit dis heartened by it all . I
think it was saying were in save hands but dont expect to much , my understanding was that nesv were going to push us forward fairly quickly about 3 to 5 years. but i would say after that interview we might even be looking at 7 to 10 years . and i think alot of other clubs could easily pass us in this time so we might end up further away than we think . any thought cheers psv {Ed001's Note - it's the stadium holding everything up mate, they can't do much until the infrastructure is done.}
Cart before the horse again
Is Anfield getting face lift then ed? I know it's been on the cards for a while but wasn't aware it was being generated at present or in the near future.
Cheers {Ed001's Note - that was the plan, though it is not turning out to be as simple as that.}
Ed 001 can you elaborate more please on the stadium and what do you mean not as simple as thought it was going to be? So are there actual plans in place but they are finding them hard to implement?
hibsylfc {Ed005's Note - Yes, expanding Anfield is going to be difficult and leads to a lot of complications.}
How many team can say we've spent £114+ mill? It's not our owners fault Kenny wasted £80mill.
No need to panic. Newcastle were in Championship a couple of years ago. Where are they now?
We just need to be smarter than we have been.
03 May 2012 20:27:51
Based on various websites over the last few months I think our business will something like this:
Ins
Luuk de Jong 12mil
Sigurdsson/Rasmus elm 8mil
Markael susaeta/Adam johnson 10mil
Jackson Martinez 6mil
Total- 36mil
Outs
Aquilani 5mil
Cole 3mil
Kuyt 1mil
Maxi free
Aurelio free
Total -9mil
That's a a rough expenditure of £27 million. Which I think is needed. Those players are young and would hopefully provide some resale value and not on mega wages. I think sterling and Robinson will play a few more games aswel.
Liam
Wouldn't buy Martinez would sell carrol and buy a world class striker
Sterling, Robinson, Suso and Coady should have been given more chances already...
If that's true then god help us we're finished!
03 May 2012 20:23:05
Just a personal thought but I feel 2 cup finals is far more important for us this season than top 4, just this season. With a lot of new, young players playing in these big games will really help the confidence and development of the team. Winning the 2 finals will give us a real winning mentality for next season and the players will be happy for a long time with 2 shiny medals to go home to.
It should also make it easier to ship the likes of kuyt and maxi knowing that they finally have some reward for there contribution over the years, and we then can look to strengthen, my personal preferances would be,
Ramirez
Soldado
Susaeta
Hoilett
Rhodes
I feel the core of the team and indeed the entire staff being a English and Spanish speaking one will really influence the signings. I cannot see the French football contingent of giroud and belhanda for example joining.
Think hoilett is off to join spurs and be a squad player
So what you're saying is because we've won the carling cup and maybe the FA cup we'll get Soldado?
Our biggest problem is our manager kenny, we need to get him as far away from the first team as we can. No foreign player wants to play for him that's why we wasted £90m on s**t British players! If Kenny still the manager we can say goodbye to Pepe, Agger, Suarez & Enrique, foreign players want tactics not man-management.
We will see come summer time we'll nickname ourself's England B.
03 May 2012 20:17:55
I've been reading over posts this last week and I see that majority of posters are upset with kenny and the team.
Fulham the other night was a non contest basically , with all eyes on Saturday.
I know it was a chance for fringe players to show there worth , but as we saw no one really did.
But in there defence it isn't the easiest thing when your just all put together , and your lacking match time or being used to playing together.
The squad isn't the best but it is better than last year , and that's progress.
A lot of games this year we have been very unlucky , we played good football just couldn't score.
On to transfers we need to be realistic , I don't see any big name signings.
I'd be happy with de jong , a right winger and replace whoever leaves.
Let's get behind the team lads.
LAVERS
03 May 2012 19:54:56
Hey, I've just seen that Cisse goal for Newcastle last night.
Goal of the season ?
No way man. That was just a lash that.
I've seen them scored in the park on Sunday morning.
Crouch's and Suarez goals were miles better. Some thought, skill and deliberation in those.
Cisse's was a tired hit and hope.
The Real KB
You have to ask yourself the same about Suarez's goal. It was the 86th minute and he could have run the pitch to go 1 on 1 with the keeper. Was his goal a tired hit and hope? No.....
Give credit where credit is due
I think you're being a bit harsh KB mate. I think if you gave Cisse, Crouch and Suarez exactly the same shot another 100 times Cisse would never be able to repeat his again whereas Suarez and Crouch would probably get into double figures.
I thought it was a great technical goal.
JRG
He walks away before it goes in, only then starts celebrating think same but he is taking the settling in period very very well all credit to him, from a jealous pool fan :-P
Looks like he meant it to me.
With all goals like that including Suarez and crouch, there is an element of luck.
But he defo meant it.
Lets ask newcastle if we can have cisse for 35 mil. STEMLOCC1
He meant to score... he did it. He tried to execute it with the outside of his foot. I don't understand how you can't say it isn't goal of the season. That isn't easy to learn...
BthekingB
I think the Cisse goal was top quality but I agree that Suarez's was better and Crouch's was better still. For me crouch had goal of the season sewn up
Chris in Tamworth
With all goals like that luck doesnt come into it unless you call hitting the ball perfectly lucky.
Cisse has been best striker since Xmas in PL. don't think his wonder goal was all luck.
Wasn't Suarez' goal the furthest out and he still hit the target. Still think his goal pips both Crouch's and Cisse's, but just (and with a tad of bias)
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Crouch's was nothing more than hit and hope. He didn't even look up ONCE from when the ball got kicked from his keeper up the pitch until it was in the back of the net. No idea where the keeper was, no idea on the angle. Fluke goal. Never goal of the season.
Cisse can strike a ball as proved by his other goals; so you've got say he hit the shot because of the confidence in his own ability,
just like Crouch and Suarez.
Great goal in my book.
kidmillions
03 May 2012 19:36:03
Saw a photo of jack wilshere in a lfc goalkeeper top and thought should stop people moaning about buyinging cm and playing them on the wing : ) taff red. Backing kenny all the way!!!
To have Wilshere in our midfield...
03 May 2012 19:36:00
Hey Eds? are all fans so abusive to each other on other rumours sites? its getting ridiculous no? {Ed001's Note - it is worse on Rangers and Celtic and Sunderland and Newcastle. We have to delete more than we can post on those 4!}
Lol ok then
We need to step it up I guess
03 May 2012 19:30:50
Eds/anyone.... Do Hicks or Gillette have anything to do with the company overlooking the design for a new stadium thats be written off?
Regards
Shmickles
Yes they were mayor share holders in the architects firm
03 May 2012 19:28:35
Hi Eds, is there anywhere where the clubs accounts have been posted? I've seen various figures on different websites, but would just like to have a look at them myself, but haven't been able to find them.
RedSG {Ed001's Note - I haven't had a chance to look myself, I would suggest Companies House though, they are usually posted up there.}
03 May 2012 19:26:26
Gents just looking down some of the posts on here and we are still slagging our players off and moaning about them not being class can we please leave all negative thoughts and bickering until Saturday night 8.30 Pm until then support ALL our players and lets have nothing but positive thoughts ,if we cant support our lads on here we are lost and quite frankly will end up with the result we deserve so no more negative posts please
03 May 2012 19:13:50
Hi eds, is it true that we're after Dempsey? Check out for yourself:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1062302/liverpool-chairman-tom-werner-hints-at-clint-dempsey-interest?cc=4716
03 May 2012 19:07:44
would like to see belhanda, ramirez, elm and de jong come in. think that's possible eds? {Ed001's Note - certainly possible, all 4 are certainly likely to move this summer.}
Awesome, will have my fingers crossed.
cheers for quick reply
03 May 2012 17:14:48
this one is for macca and edds just seen the design of the stadium for h and g and have to say its out standing compared to the bowl fsg have decided to go with if we move away from anfield but surely the steel and glass design is theone we should go with thoughts pls on why we arnt {Ed001's Note - there were issues with expanding it in the future, I believe. I had to ask about it myself as I didn't know, but I am told it would have been 60k and stick. FSG are hoping to expand in the future.}
There was an article not so long ago stating we only have planning permission for the first stadium and it would have meant going through the whole process again. And we can only alter the interior of the design we are opting for, not the actual stadium itself. Everything has to be as was agreed when planning was approved.
Ed 1 & co, count yourselves lucky I'm a spurs fan and were up in arms, can't have a go at levy for what hes done! but were not happy with our new ground! its going to be a 50,000! Were at 36,000 @ the moment! We have a waiting list of 32,000 ( my son was at the last count 28,000th on the list, my niece is around the 31,000 mark? according to a local survey there are around an extra 16,000 who can't be bothered to put their name to a list but would love to go! That an extra 48,000 on top of the 36,000 & we can only build up to 50,000 its a bloody joke! the only good thing is were staying in tottenham {Ed001's Note - it is difficult, especially when you want to stay in the same area. Still 50k would be a boost and maybe it could be expanded in the future?}
Wrong way round. If you look at the G&H stadium it has 2 corners missing. Each could be filled with 12,000 seats with very little fuss. The parry bowl has very little scoop for expansion but is a much cheaper short term option. Gives an indication to how long FSG plan on sticking around. {Ed001's Note - FSG have no plans to sell up.}
03 May 2012 19:06:16
I know I shouldn't have, but I just couldn't help myself......
Mascherano back on a virtual free and then a big splash-out bringing back Torres, backed up by Aguero on the cheap! With Alonso already bossing midfield, it was too hard to resist....
As if that wasn't bad enough, I felt a real rush of delight as Clive announced Torres' "debut" goal.... I just knew he was gonna score....
Oh the guilt, the shame, the thrill of what could've been....
Damn you, Nintendo!
Please forgive, I know not what I have done!
(Too much negativity, back-biting & sniping on here for my liking- most of you need a dictionary and to look up the word "banter")
Mrpjd
03 May 2012 19:19:31
How cheesed off will Roman Abramovich be if he lost FA cup to us and then Champions League to Bayern Munich? On top of that not qualifying for Champions league next season..
I would really love to see the cry baby face of his full of tears and biting his nails...
Live-On-Pool
It is important to have a dream mate
SHED END
That would be a crazy turn of events...
Chelski's season can either be one for them to remember or one of their worst in recent history...
03 May 2012 18:37:02
Look stop commenting on how much spin Ayre etc seem to be putting on things!....What do you expect them to say?!.....Well were in turmoil.....Kenny has done a poor job so lets chastise him to the media....We wasted money on about 3 players.......
Come on lads for Shanks sake!.....Of course theyre going to say its all in hand and say positive things because believe it or not without paying fans there is no club, theyre bound to tell us what they think we want to hear its what they do so stop panicking....We have rumours of signings, im sure the club arent going to stand for the same league form two years running and when you sign a player whether it be a Henderson or an Adam you never quite know if theyre going to work or not anyhow....Veron at utd anyone?.......
Come on whats with all this doom and gloom, Mr Henrys record in the states with winning clubs is unquestioned and we'll be ok.............
It could be worse.........We could be a club that has fans going on other clubs pages talking down trophy winners and speaking down to fans of clubs that have actually won a Champions league or 5...........
We'll be fine lets just see what summer brings and stop with the whining....its getting ridiculous.....
YNWA JFT96.........The Guv 81-9
03 May 2012 18:20:31
£50 million loss
The club broke even, but removed £50 million of costs off the balance sheet..., so chill the £50 million was stadium cost, wish I was an architect!
All the neg coming out in the media, rest assured wages down and club running even, and this was the last accounting period... Sorry but all you need to know is business running well without CL and debt repayments and will return better results with the added commercial income.
Money there for the right players not the £100k a week brigade.
Pistol Pete
Was it not a total of £35 million of approx £8 million was paying of Hodgson? But we did have Europa Cup that year which we obviously didnt this year.
Ed002, the figures that have been released for 2010/11! Was that the first year of Standard Charter soonsorship? Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed005's Note - Yes.}
03 May 2012 18:11:09
I count myself an extremely lucky person as I have today received two tickets at face value for me and my pal to go the match with my son inlaw ( who also has ticket)... lucky or what ?
There may be an outside chance that i can get two more tickets but unfortunately Ive had to bid £250 for two £65 face value tickets. I bid before confirmation that I knew I had tickets just in case. I will only find out tomorrow if Ive won the bid, but now I dont need them anyway.
I am not trying to make any money on the tickets but anyone who may be interested, watch tomorrow as I will post details (if I win !)
I just want them to go to a decent supporter, or one of the EDs maybe ?
Tel 1949
I'd take one off your hands Tel mate, if you're lucky ?
The Real KB
Would it be face value for the tickets mate and fair play too you for getting the tickets I missed out :(
Cheers YNWA
Greg.
Sorry guys just found out, unfortunately I didnt win the bid. The tickets were sold for charity and went to a good cause so at least someone will get some benefit from them.
ps Ive no idea what they went for as it was a closed bid
Tel 1949
03 May 2012 18:06:24
Just a little question, if you take some England strikers..
Lineker
Shearer
Sheringham
Owen
Rooney
Defoe
Crouch
Bent
Who do you think the top two would be in terms of goals per 90 minutes for their country? (please not Carroll doesn't even make the list)
Owen n crouch
? 5dold stars
When you say just a question then have a pop at Andy carroll what is the point in that he is still a Liverpool player so LAY Off
Crouch has to top the list, at a guess owens the second
Don't know if he's scored the most but Owen is all time fave England striker and I think crouch is seriously under rated when it come to England all the managers seem to over look the fact that he has a better goals per game than Rooney
Eric the red {Ed001's Note - but most of his goals came against weak opposition, that has been the issue with him.}
Crouch and bent? :) sounds like dodgy law firm.
kidmillions
Answer=
Crouch & Defoe
My guess would be Bent and Crouch 'cos it sounds ridiculous enough to be true!
ANFIELDPETE
Try reading this Ed
ongoalsscored.wordpress.com/.../the-peter-crouch-myth {Ed001's Note - sorry I should have said, that he is under rated because it is said most of his goals came against weak opposition. I haven't got time to read the post, but I can guess it disproves that? I would pick Crouch myself, I always liked him for us, if only he had pace and could head the ball!}
Thanks for clearing that up for me ed 001 his stats just stuck in my head for some reason. I understand the managers thinking about that. No good being fantastic against the likes of Andorra then running away when Spain comes
Eric the red {Ed001's Note - I have always thought it was unfair, when you play Andorra, you get chances, against the better nations, you just don't get as many. Of course his scoring record is going to be worse against them! England have such a poor team, it is difficult to be a striker for them.}
03 May 2012 18:03:03
Just listened to the Ian Ayre interver on LFC.TV and even with the £50million loss things sound very positive.
Looks like there is still no decision on the stadium issue and therelooking at both the origional design and redevlopment of Anfield
Bilverstone
YNWA
JFT96
03 May 2012 17:56:49
These are the player brackets in my opinion -
Special players - once in a lifetime (Messi)
World Class - (Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta)
Top Quality Players - (Cavani, Suarez, Lavezzi, Ibrahimovic
Quality Players - (Hazard, Hamisk, Gerrard,)
Very Good Players - (Lucas, Reina, Young, Clichy)
Good Players (may have potential) - (De Jong, Ramirez, Elm, Isla)
Average Players -(Carroll, Downing, Adam)
In my opinion you might not agree, but Liverpool need to be attracting Quality - Top Quality players however i dont think its possible so were gonna have to go and get the best of the rest (Good Players) which i think will never see us get close to Man City, Man Utd so the owners need to go all out to get the "best" otherwise we might be left behind.
Nooooooo Ibrahimovic is carp! :(
Can you explain to me how Cavani and Lavezzi are deemed higher quality than Gerrard? Also, Gerrard has been every bit as good as Iniesta in his career, though maybe not Xavi.
No Rooney for world class then your a chump...and I hate him..and Ronaldo is up there with Messi..smf
Did this guy just mention hamsik and hazard in the same breath as gerrard and rated surez better than gerrard. STEMLOCC1
Young ?????
5 gold stars
I would rate Gerrard as a World Class.
Live-On-Pool
Seen some great players over the years but none better all round than our own Steven Gerrard. Forget Rafa... Istanbul would never have happened without Gerrard that night.
He was not only inspired himself he inspired everyone around him and dragged them up by their bootlaces including on the night the brilliant Jerzy Dudek.
Can't think of a single player including Messi and all the other superstars, who could of done that. There is and will only ever be one Steven Gerrard.
kidmillions {Ed001's Note - surely Carra has to take a lot of the credit for that night? He was the one driving forward and then throwing himself in front of everything, he was the one who spoke to Dudek about Grob's jelly legs. Gerrard drove himself forward, Carra drove everyone else on.}
Gerrard was given the shirt signed by xavi and iniesta the hardest player to play against, no other player on the world has been given a shirt signed by iniesta and xavi o that is all you need to know. figure out the rest for yourself
Gerrard for me is the complete modern day footballer, just for fun who do you think would win? a team 1 to 11 steven gerrard's or 1 to 11 lionel messi's?
Spot on Ed Carra had to cramped legs could hardly walk let alone run and just threw himself infront of shots head first
Lyndon {Ed001's Note - the pair of them were immense for us following half time.}
The 'once in a lifetime' doesnt exist. in my lifetime ive seen maradona, zidane and messi and theyre all this mythical 'once in a lifetime' player.
You realize Inesta has been every bit as good as Rerrard so fare in his career as Inesta is younger meaning that Inesta will over take him.
Torben piechnik and paul stewart were was a 'once in the lifetime' players. Once in a lifetime, and please - never, never again...
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Ed;001 Gerrard was the main man right at the start of the 2nd half he scored and was geeing the crowd and the players up.
Carra was great like the rest of the players.
But without Gerrard as I said it would never have happened and Carra's heroics would have been futile.
kidmillions {Ed001's Note - I wasn't disagreeing as such, I was just saying that it is a team game and Carra did as much to lift the whole team as Gerrard's heroics. It just felt disrespectful to suggest it was all about Gerrard, when it quite clearly wasn't. I think Alonso, Hamann and Dudek have as much claim to have been the hero as Gerrard as well.}
03 May 2012 17:55:53
Liverpool were just one victory away from fourth spot when Lucas Leiva suffered a season-ending injury against Chelsea in the Carling Cup. It provided Jay Spearing with an excellent opportunity to step in and impress, but his most memorable contributions have been getting sent off at Fulham, and giving the ball away cheaply for a Man United goal at Old Trafford.
Jay Spearing Out!
Better cover for Lucas needed.
I also feel that Spearing is not the standard of player we need to take us forward.He still deserves respect though, because he always gives 100% effort.I would like us to put him in the shop window and see him carve out a career for himself away from Anfield.Adam, played okay when Lucas was along side him. His form dropped after Lucas got injured.
Actually, I think you've got a point there... a quality holding midfielder would be good!
Gerrard pushes too far forward, Adam looks like he's running through water, Henderson too young and make too many mistakes (reminds me of Lucas years ago, so remember all us critics!) and Spearing is like a demented bed spring bouncing all over the place (Love his passion though!)... never replaced Alonso and Masch
Couldent agree more im sure iv already said something along them lines before about our form dipping when lucas left. STEMLOCC1
Absolutely disgusting way to talk about a player who gives 100 percent every game. He might not be the most gifted player to pull on the shirt. but he's in the team because we dont have anyone better.
Thats hardly his fault is it?
wind your neck in moron. redjim
Fergie and evra played dirty game with us and it effected us big time from their we started loseing ground on top4
Agree about Lucas, a bit rough on Jay but we were right in it until the Arsenal loss and once ECL was gone, so was the spirit in the league.
AK
03 May 2012 17:46:05
There's a lad called Mame Biram Diouf who's smashing them in for Hannover, could be worth a punt. Looks like Bundesliga's new Cisse
You serious? The ex-United player? I thought he was rubbish
Red Ollie
Didn't he play for utd?
You being serious? He was a reserve-teamer at Man Utd who couldn't get a game, so they sold him in January.
Is this the same player as the one who was at Man Utd?
RedSG
You mean the one on loan from Man U? No thanks!
Diouf! That name I can't stand it!
kidmillions
Isn't he on loan from man u. Apart from the fact he's rubbish fergie doesn't sell to us.
Eric the red
03 May 2012 17:41:14
Just In Looks like we are singing Belhanda he creative skillfull great passer hopefully we can get a finish some like llorente or giroud
Is it a good song? I've not heard it before
Llorente and Giroud arent finish mate they are spanish and french respectively.
03 May 2012 17:39:17
We lack goals - and I'm sick of us signing average players with promise.. lets blow the budget on Edinson Cavani - We could raise this by selling Kuyt and 2 or 3 other squad players. We maybe two wingers short of a picnic but at least another position would be filled properly - for me we have 8 players and the rest are average at best.
Pepe
Agger
Enrique
Skrtel
Johnson
Gerrard
Lucas
Saurez
The rest are average - If the money is there then I would buy a pacy winger to break teams down and a quality striker in the summer.
Midfield worries me too - I don't know if Henderson can fill stevies boots in time but I think we will have to address this - possibly at the end of next season.
Good luck on Saturday lads..
Kenny's future and quite a few players futures hinge on this game I feel.
Finally - Andy Caroll - I think he will come good - but he needs to play in every game for me, its a confidence thing with him, as soon as he realizes the his position isn't under threat he will relax and score. That is his problem in a nutshell.
Gazman
Can't have players sitting on the bench while Carroll is lumbering around playing every game? What's that all about.
You play your way into the side and then you play to stay in the side. Too many think that because he cost 35mil he's going to come good and just leave him in the team till he does and forget about the other players fighting for a place.
Afraid it doesn't work like that.
kidmillions
I lost interest after he said Johnson was average at best.
Realistic red
03 May 2012 16:55:39
Valid question to all RS...Re:50mil. losses
Now that your Clubs financial wizards Doh ! has made this unanimous ...i.e. joined your team in mediocrity and poor performance ...
Would you honestly expect FSG to concur with your very mediocre poor performing manager...
When he now dismisses winning the PL as a silly craving... ?
As usual a pleasure to point out the mess your'e in Lol :))))
Blue247
{Ed001's Note - mess? Obviously you have no clue about accounts or you wouldn't be commenting with such a nonsense comment. I would try reading them for yourself to save making a complete fool of yourself in future.}
He's constantly making a fool of himself Ed. I actually feel a bit embarrassed for the kid.
Mess?
If your a Everton fan
The New shirt deals nearly worth your total turn over nowadays!!!!
Lyndon
2-1.....just saying.
Adam
This dude is a fool pre this post , he is not clued in on the 25million a year shirt deal, the sponsor money and the wage slashing last year plus other commercial revenues which dwarf his club, but let him clown around on here.(just dont allow him a saturday post . keep the celebratory reds as priority ).he can tell his gr8 grandkids of paul rideout n dixie dean . gr8 tales,
5gold stars
Hey soft lad, look at it this way. We have £50m to loose, you on the other hand don't have a pot to pi$$ in!!!
Its so sad you have to come on our page but then again when you have tried to sell you club to everyone in the world and still had no takers EVEN Darlington got bought ,I wouldnt stay on the blue nose page
These Bitters are so amusing...we should make a site for them...Ed use the Everton site...it hasn't been used for years!
03 May 2012 16:54:57
Think that you Liverpool fans ought to have something of a reality check. You are no longer the force that you used to be, nobody goes to Anfield anymore and is in awe. You are no longer in the same league as Manchester United or City, you don't have the financial clout of a Chelsea and your not as financially astute as Arsenal. I would place you in the following bunch along with the likes of Tottenham, Newcastle and even Everton. Your top achievement would be Europa Cup qualification, so you should be cutting your cloth accordingly and forget about your past. Failure to heed this warning could be the demise of your once great club, take it from one who knows, a Pompey Fan. Good Luck.
No disrespect mate, but do not ever compare Liverpool FC with Portsmouth. 1.) We are not badly run, with a manger taking back handers I.e HR 2.) We are in a period of change that we will emerge more financially astute and in the next 2-3 yrs will once again be playing CL football.
Unlike Pompey,who like the Italian city will be just a pile of ash..
Lee73
P.s you must also be a closset manc.
At least we're not on the edge of not existing. Forever in Southampton's shadow. We will always be a force.
Weve had our reality check, the doctors have said TWO CUP FINALS in one year is to be expected of any top club.
This season has always been about the first step on our wonderful journey.
Were all OK thanks and it was really nice of you to come on our site so that we can remind ourselves how much other people actually fear us....lets face it if we were a bad team who would even bother trying to wind us up ?
Now be a good boy, eat all your greens and dont forget to do your homework or mummy wont give you a lollipop.
Tel 1949
Why what was the great club you supported before pompey...
Never compare us to pompey or everton coz our sponsors money is enough buying your heritage
Pompey fan here's a reality check for you...18 League Titles, 5 European Cups...the most successful club in the country, with a history you can only dream of.
We can well compete with Chelsea, just need to be a bit more savvy in the transfer market. As Chelsea will go on wasting millions in the transfer market. That's the key.
kidmillions
We have had a fantastic past and will have a better future thats what will happen , we are not doing so well at present but we will get it right we have had our lucky escape and will move on.
we all moan etc at the moment but we will stay loyal .
to have good times you have to have bad times. ynwa
03 May 2012 16:51:33
I'd be happy with Younas Belhanda, Luuk De Jong and Rasmus Elm.
Quality additions that will add to the team the skills we are lacking.
KT!
Agree. Luuk has quick feet, good movement and has a tad bit of pace for a six footer!
AnfieldUSA
Tad bit of pace for six footer
All top sprinters are well over six foot
Oh sorry for me,I thought luuk de Jong was a football player, pardon me.
AnfieldUSA
03 May 2012 16:33:03
Liverpool have announced there accounts for last season. Key points. Loss of £49.4m. (got to remember this relates to last season not this). In that includes the right off of £35m for the failed hicks stadium. This means there is no way that stadium will now be built. It's is also a 1 off fee meaning true operating loses of just £14.4m. £8.4m in payoffs to hodgson his staff and Purslow. Leaving the loss at just £7m as these staff cant be fired again. The acquisition of the club (valued at £320m) cost FSG £200m and with no champions league losses £7m a year within normal running costs.
So what have FSG done since? Reduced interest payments by £15m, increased commercial revenue by £15.4m, they have also reduced (this season) the wage bill by £30m. That marks a massive £60.4m swing. This season there will be no stadium right off costs and no manager termination costs. Had 2 good cup runs. And spent £41m on players (as opposed to the £17m spent the previous season. That should mark a profit of almost £25m.
Moving forward. Ayre has started that next seasons warrior kit deal should be worth an additional £30m a season to LFC. That's means the club will be £90m a year better off than under hicks and gillet. Within 2 years of them leaving. Then add to that any increased revenue from new ground plus stadium naming rights really does ask the question what are FSG planning to do with this surplus? Players, wages, stadium?
"What are FSG planning to do with the surplus"? Put us back on our perch, that's what.
Isn't it 25 million a year for warrior deal?
Lyndon
There will be a couple of high earners taken off the wage bill this summer,further reducing that.
Lee73
Finances back in order , as you yourself said a positive swing of 60m and stadium and merchandising revenues to soar, plus the frienzy that a new venture into an emerging american market..... Yet, they are still being questioned ? Hell of a lot further in two years than statler and waldorf. Back on our perch is right
I dont know much about the clubs finances or figures but would be very suprised if this is how they add up.what do you think ed
mrbrown {Ed001's Note - I haven't had a chance to read through the accounts myself, but that does sound very similar to what I would expect it to be.}
We are going to see another significant loss for this season of about £50million again and then the forecast sees that to £15milion for next season and the small profits of £5million to £20million the following three financial years. Assumptions are no champs league for two years and all stadium and other local infrastructure costs excluded pending an agreement with the council over rail improvements. It is thought that the stadium may be split out to a separate business to the football.
Ed why will it be a 50mil loss nxt year agagin ,will it not be a profit next year ? tanx {Ed001's Note - because we spent a lot on players and paying off players' contracts, plus paying players wages who were sent on loan.}
Will not be a loss next year. Net spend is what counts on accounts. Only an additional £24m spent on players this year apposed to last. Which is off set by the £30m a year wage saving.
As for railway and infrastructure improvements. Subject to planning permission these investments only need to be made when capacity of new stadium exceeds 65,000.
And the warrior deal is £25m a year but the addidas deal includes all oversea's merchandising rights which the warrior deal doesn't allowing us to sell oversea's right to various different nations. Which is why it should increase revenue by £30m a year.
03 May 2012 16:32:00
eds i was reading before about tottenham, chelsea, arsenal, utd and city they all seem to have there eye on a quality players. i think liverpool need to go further in the transfer market and buy someone big just to try keep up with the other teams what do you reckon are budget is ?
many thanks edd {Ed001's Note - there is no set budget.}
03 May 2012 16:25:51
Ian Ayre saying there will continue to be investment into the squad.
Hope not
03 May 2012 16:14:49
I can understand that players want to play in the Champions' League but I can't understand why for some of them it is the priority. They join a club that is guaranteed ONE season in the League but sign a contract for FIVE! It makes no sense at all. Newcastle may(!) play next season but thereafter will be lucky to be in the Europa League whereas after next season we will be back to the traditional top 4 - wait and see!
Dutchmal
Agreed. Chelsea have to win the tournament to be in the CL next year. Going forward, even United are going to struggle to be in it every year. How can you make decisions assuming CL?
Tbh, I'd love to be the missing link player that got Liverpool back to where we belong and just hope other players think the same, Suarez did!
Keith
It's about money dutchmal, champions league qualification brings in all that extra money and the vultures that come with it. (agents with there hype up "next zidanes")
We want players to come to Liverpool for the shirt, and drench it in sweat qualifiying for Europe next season.
MIKEY
Dream on Mikey - even Adam doesn't do that
03 May 2012 16:12:53
A fair old bit of anti-Kenny sentiment going about here. I want to state that I want him to stay, and why I want him to stay.
We've generally played well under Kenny, we had a wobbly period (in terms of PERFORMANCE, not results, I'll deal with those in a second) a month or so after Lucas got injured, but Spearing stepped his game up enough to be a passable replacement. There have been a few head scratching tactical decisions, such as Downing popping up on the right a lot over the winter and Agger at left back in the FA Cup Semi, but there isn't a manager alive who doesn't do that from time to time. Ferguson may very well have thrown the title away by being two conservative and playing someone who hasn't started in two months against City. Does it make him a bad manager? I don't think it does. My point is that, for the most part, the tactics have seemed fine to me. And our approach play and build up have been better than any time in the last two years at least. I'm looking at the team, and most weeks I don't see a side that's riddled with substandard players, uses the wrong tactics or is managed by someone out of his depth.
Now our results have ben much poorer than our performances, and I know all the usual cliche's of "the table never lies" "you make your own luck" etc, but when you can think of about 8 games where we played an opposition side off the park and didn't win, then you have ponder if the table can, in fact, lie to the tune of 10 points or more. You can blame Kenny for not signing a goalscorer, and there is a point to be made about someone paying £57m for strikers and still have a team not be able to score goals (more on price tags below). You can validly argue that poor finishing is a problem at the club, but:
1) It's a problem that can be potentially solved with one signing.
2) It's not just a case of poor finishing costing us points. At the start of December, I counted 14 points dropped between hitting the post and missing penalties. I stopped counting after that, but at the time, 7 of those 14 points would've put us 4th. That's not poor finishing, really is it? That is genuine bad luck, imo.
As for our signings, it's quite clear from Comolli's sacking who has been blamed for the money we spent. And the prices do play a part in how players are viewed. Would people criticise Henderson as much if he cost the same as Charlie Adam, who's been far worse but critcised less, imo? Henderson could still ultimately live up to his £16m price tag. His biggest problem for me is that he makes poor decisions rather than lack of ability, something which will improve with experience and age. As could Carroll and Downing live up to theirs, although I suspect they might not. But again, it's quite clear who FSG (y'know, the people who run the club and should know who's doing what) think is responsible for the inflated prices we shelled out, and it's not Kenny Dalglish. On the topic of Downing, I think he's done better than most people give him credit for. £20m was too much, but he's certainly good enough to contribute to a top 4 team. Like Hendo, people would complain at lot less if he'd cost £10m or £12m. Carroll's been poor and Adam's been poor, imo. But show me a manager that never picks a bad player?
Looking forward to next season, I would be confident that under Kenny with one or two good signings (and there's always one or two good signings. Even when Hodgson was in charge we got Meireles) we'll be much stronger in the league next season. Certainly I think it's a better idea than starting with a new man with new ideas. The transfer targets may be established already, as the Eds say, but a new manager will have to get used to the players, the club and will try and impress his own tactics on us. It'll be our third "transition" season in a row. I don't think Kenny's been anywher near poor enough as a manager to make that a better idea.
And to be honest, I've not seen one name touted here that's both realistic and has enough quality. Guardiola and Mourinho aren't coming. I've seen calls for Villas-Boas. Really? He's the saviour, huh? Best replacement we'd be able to get for Kenny is Rafa, and whilst I love the guy, I suspect that FSG wouldn't go for it.
Kenny might decide that the league form hasn't been good enough and step aside, but the club won't sack him, and imo the best way forward is to stick with him.
- Something Red -
While i agree that Kenny should stay i think hitting the post and missing penalties is poor finishing. a good finish would be scoring or at least working the keeper, a poor finish is missing the target which includes hitting the post but i agree one key signing could sort this.
Yeah I agree mate. I also think Lucas' injury and the vile witch hunt against Suarez (concocted by Fergie) had much more of a detrimental effect on the team than people realise.
Hopefully Fergie will get his comeuppance by never winning another trophy and we'll get revenge by being vastly improved and on up next season (as well as bagging two cups this year)!
Simsimo
At last someone with a bit of sense, Well said. Im glad someone sees it like myself also.
gee man
Kenny can stay but the crap he bought needs to leave, Carroll & Downing.. likewise
And he must not bring crap anymore. May be by chance he might but 5/10m worth of crap is better than record breaking 35/20M crap. Most Expensive Vodka Bottle
Bosco
Kenny to stay but he must be strong and ruthless in the close season for the good of LFC.
Not every player you buy will fit in, the key to good management is to rectify the problem as quickly as possible and offload the players that don't fit? Even if it was you who bought them in the first place. It's patently obvious to every man and his dog that Carroll and Downing are not good enough to play the style of football that fits in with the rest of our players.
Be ruthless Kenny and get rid for whatever? £28 mill circa and spend wisely on players that will fit into the script. I personally would sell those two to buy Luuk De Jong and Gaston
Ramirez all day long.
kidmillions
Good post, mate.
If we'd have paid the true value of certain players we'd be better off financially and, more importantly, expectations would have been far,far less......The more you pay, the quicker you're signings are expected to come up with the goods.
It's irresponsible of LFC to have put kids under so much pressure by paying so much for them. If you pay over £15m for a player you have a right to expect the "finished-article"! (or very,very close to it!)
Our scouting-network doesn't seem fit for purpose at the moment. When was the last time we discovered a "Pappas Cisse", "Hernandez" or a "Cabaye"?
Compared to Newcastle, Wigan etc. we don't seem to "discover" players so much as get into bidding-wars for players who we end up paying over the odds for.
It's not the fault of these players when we pay twice their market-value but it's definitely our fault that they face pressure to impress from day-one.
Henderson.....£10-11m
Downing........£9-10m
Carroll..........£12-15m
Adam...........£4-5m
If we'd have paid £35-40m for all of these we'd be far less critical and far more patient.......hence, the signings would have been far more confident!
(Enrique, Bellamy, Suarez, Coates and Doni were good bits of business on reflection).
The problem precedes Kenny's reign, so, my question is...who are our scouts and how long have they been in place?
I fully appreciate that the final cost of a player has nothing at all to do with the scout....his job is merely to identify a player. Are they doing a good job?......
Personally, I don't really know much about our network of scouts, where they operate and how much influence they have. So maybe I'm being unduly harsh. Maybe it's more complex than I imagine but surely to goodness a Club of our stature should have no problem assembling a team capable of winning more than 5 home games all season!!?
Furthermore, Jelavic was "nailed on" according to January's press yet he ended up at one of our rivals....Why?
Which genius decided we didn't need to fork out a few million for a goalscorer when we were well positioned for a ECL spot?
Too many questions....too few answers as usual.
Anyway, just for the record my team for Saturday should be ;
-------------------REINA--------------------
JOHNSON---SKIRTEL--AGGER---ENRIQUE
KUUYT---HENDO--GERRARD---DOWNING
------------CARROLL---SUAREZ------------
SUBS; DONI, KELLY, COATES, SPEARING, BELLAMY, MAXI, STERLING
(I know Kenny'll start with Carra and Spearing and Raheem won't get a look-in. But I can only hope and, let's face it, there's not a lot of real quality to choose from!)
ANFIELDPETE
03 May 2012 13:03:20
Eds,
Need your answer:-
-If we can get Luuk De Jong, Rasmus Elm and Younes Belhanda this summer Im very happy as Liverpool fans.
How much all of them? around 30M+ right? If club given 20m+ and player sale, I bet we can buy these player.
-Raheem Sterling looks good. Is there a chance he will be main cover for Downing for left winger nxt season? Im afraid he cant wait any longer for 1st team action.
-Kuyt,Joe Cole,Aquilani,Poulsen,Pacheco,Eccleston,Maxi,Aurelio will leave this summer. How much you think we can after all of them be sold?
-Can u confirm any player that LFC had already place bid?
-MadLFC' {Ed001's Note - I am sorry I don't know what kind of prices those players would command, it will depend on who else moves for them.
I would expect Sterling to go out on loan for a season myself, though I would prefer him to get the time on the pitch with us too.
By the time contracts are paid up etc, there will not be much received from those players, but the savings in wages will be huge.
As far as I am aware no actual bids have gone in for anyone, but fees can be agreed etc long before the actual bid goes in.}
Wait....if you sell a player who wants to leave also do you have to pay their contracts?
GuvTOB {Ed001's Note - yes, unless a player hands in a written transfer request, they are entitled to a percentage of their remaining contract to be paid up. That is why so many transfers become contingent on the player handing in a written transfer request.}
03 May 2012 15:58:45
we need to move fast with these quality signing otherwise it gonna be the same as last year.. marin gone to chelsea and poldolski to arsenal.. i really hope the manager knows what his doing
A lot of arsenal fans are confident that vertongen will be done before euros as well...
I hope were not last min.com shopping out the bargain bin..
I don't mind us shopping in the bargain bin...we haven't had many bargains in the past few years...usually we're overpaying...
03 May 2012 14:54:58
Hi Ed001,
Was wondering if I could get your opinion on Seydou Doumbia? I think this guy could be the missing link in our attack, he just seems to know how to score goals, and has fantastic pace and brilliant in the air for his size, but I not completely sure because it is the Russian League he is tearing up. Do you know roughly what he would cost? My guess would be about 12-15m.
Just on a side note, how is Seyi Ojo getting on? He was supposed to be an incredible talent and I am sure he broke into the u18's towards the end of the season?
Cheers mate.
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I haven't seen much Russian football, so I really can't give an opinion on him, but what I have seen was terrible. The level was not good at all, I watched one yesterday, forget which teams were playing but I remember swearing a lot at McGeady and how poor he was.
As for Ojo, I can't remember watching him at all this season, but then I have to admit I had completely forgotten about him until you mentioned him now.}
Ojo is 14, we must be desperate to be thinking about him.He played for the under 18's when they where stretched that's all as a sub if I recall.He's only a baby.
Jiminy Cricket
Lol at the McGeady comment, cheers for the reply Ed001, you should definitely take a look at the lad Ojo, I am pretty sure he was 14 years old and got in the u16 England squad.
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I just completely forgot about him, I remember lots of hype about him before we snapped him up, but then he went into the academy and it all went quiet. When I get some time I will ask about how he is getting on. I had my attention taken by the Sinclair lad, he was the shining light in the kids this season.}
03 May 2012 15:51:32
Kuyt ,Aurelio, Doni, Maxi,Cole, Aqualani,Johnson,possibly Adam and hopefully Spearing to leave this summer bring in 5 players and promote 4 of the lads from the reserves.
Which 4?
Sterling, Suso, ??, ??
I'm guessing Wisdom and Coady would be the most likely.
Include Carroll & Downing too!
Sterling
Suso
Toni Silva (currently better than sterling. say what you want)
Mendy to back up Kelly and Flanagan at right back, with johnson out in the summer.
03 May 2012 15:43:54
Just thought some of you might be interested in the clubs commercial push in North America. I live about 100 miles outside Toronto. Tickets go on sale for the TFC v Liverpool game tomorrow, however there is a per sale for TFC season ticket holders going on now. Tickets are selling out fast. A friend just gave me his pre-sale code to use the last part of his allocation. When the general tickets go on sale tomorrow morning they are expected to sell out by the end of the day. Rogers Arena where they are playing has a 55,000 capacity for this game. All the regional papers have been running pieces on the game and i am sure it will be a huge commercial success for the team.
So am so pleased to get my tickets, my boy was 2 when we moved to Canada and he has never seen Liverpool play. I got the tickets that allow us to watch the practice the day before as well. Now if only Liverpool would let my son alk out with the team i would die a happy man.
YNWA everyone, here's to celebrating Saturday night. Hope all those going to the game have a safe journey.
ChrisE
03 May 2012 15:34:29
Liverpool FC is a special football club. If you need to ask why, then you just don't get it!
Many times over the years things have happened that fans of the club wouldn't have been happy with but if you're a true fan, with the emphasis on 'true', it only serves to strengthen your resolve to support the team even more because these are the times when it is needed most.
This season in the league had been poor but we are in the enviable position of being able to pick up 2 of the 3 domestic trophies this season. It angers me when I hear @rseholes on radio talk ins voicing their opinion that they would sooner finish in the top 4 than pick up a domestic trophy. Unfortunately and predominantly they mainly seem to be our younger supporters who are unaware of how special it used to be to make, and god willing , win the FA cup. Pre Sky sports, the FA cup was the biggest game of the year and the build up alone was highly enjoyable. These kids don't understand that finishing in the top 4 is mediocrity, same as finishing 8th or 9th is. Winning a cup or even making a final is to be celebrated. Let's stop all this nonsense of speculating who Dalglish's successor may be, the man is Liverpool through and through and deserves better, just get behind the team, enjoy the FA cup experience and, if you are a true fan, put aside your dissent and SUPPORT the TEAM (even if it icludes players you don't like!) regardless of your personal opinions.
The Robin
Robin I've been standing in the cold for hours trying to fight off some mancs GET OVER HERE.
Batman
It was only recently that Stevie G said on LFCTV that winning trophies is what is important to the players.
I wouldn't swap 3 trips to Wembley and a possible 2 cups for finishing 4th and then possibly not even qualifying for group stages next year (like the Toffees in 05-06)
Our time will come again in Prem and Champions League.
KJS
Sorry the Robin But for me top 4 is more important than two cup finals especially as were in a transitional season. Champions League is essential for a big club not only to make a profit but for club to grow there isnt a big club in the world aside liverpool who havent been in the champions league for three years and given the our history and money weve spent theres no excuse im 19 and will be seen as a young supporter but im more than entitled to my opinion without abuse
TheJoshster
Joshter,
Of course you're entitled to your opinion and nobody was abusing you.
You settle for mediocrity over trophies. Long term it will cost you.
The Robin
03 May 2012 15:25:18
It's been a fun week across at Anfield, and still it ticks along in the past. Watching Kenny and the lads give interviews to the press yesterday, brought home the futility of it all. 'Hodgson is a good manager... But we couldn't support him... I wonder why? Jimmy Case pulling his hair watching Fulham, 11 players wearing read shirts, the likes of Shankly and Paisley would have shown the door long ago. But Kenny keeps his job as records are broken and fans leave in droves. The big game at the weekend, and the captain says a cup win will save the season. I always thought that winning the league was priority. How times have changed. And finally Ayre commenting on the stability of the club's finances. Doesn't he see that team can't cut it any longer. It's all a sorry state of affairs for a club deep in the mire of medicority.
What a complete idiot!! Modern fans don't seem to realise finishing second third or 4th comes with no trophies. Why people seem more concerned with clubs getting the money of champions league above actually winning trophies is beyond me.
Keep hearing how well Newcastle are doing this season. A couple of years ago they dropped into the championship cleared their ranks of over rated, over paid and over the hill players and have came back much stronger.
Kenny has done the same. Without the need to drop down a devision and delivering at least 1 cup in the proccess. How you expect us to move from where we were last year to competing with city's billions is perplexing. It's going to take a long term strategy or £300m net spend and stupid amount of wages.
Championship manager and social network sites are destroying the game. Fergy would never have got the time he needed to build what he built in this society with people like you around!!
03 May 2012 15:23:52
Liverpool FC is a special football club. If you need to ask why, then you just don't get it!
Many times over the years things have happened that fans of the club wouldn't have been happy with but if you're a true fan, with the emphasis on 'true', it only serves to strengthen your resolve to support the team even more because these are the times when it is needed most.
This season in the league had been poor but we are in the enviable position of being able to pick up 2 of the 3 domestic trophies this season. It angers me when I hear @rseholes on radio talk ins voicing their opinion that they would sooner finish in the top 4 than pick up a domestic trophy. Unfortunately and predominantly they mainly seem to be our younger supporters who are unaware of how special it used to be to make, and god willing , win the FA cup. Pre Sky sports, the FA cup was the biggest game of the year and the build up alone was highly enjoyable. These kids don't understznd
It's not even that people want to finish in the top 4 rather than win. Given the medium-long term implications of CL footie, that's understandable. It's unfortunate, but it's modern reality.
What bothers me is that some people would be happier with 5th than the FA Cup because it shows were closer to the top 4. Sorry, but once you're in the Europa league (and we are because of the LC win), it doesn't matter if you're 5th or 12th. No one will remember the difference once next season starts.
Couldn't agree more mate ,I remember Charlie George breaking my heart when I was five but I was hooked from then on ,encouraged by my ma funny enough my dad liked his boxing .Anyway you can't blame all the younger generation as they are conditioned early on to instant gratification but it's up to the older hands to try and school them in the Liverpool way .Maybe because we have been so lucky in living through the amazing success we've had that we're not as rabid in our judgement .Let's all get behind the owners ,management and players and regroup in the summer ,some news stadium wise wouldn't go amiss either .simmo71
03 May 2012 15:09:16
Banter please
I really do feel some fans on the site are a tad selfish when it comes to what you desire more from a season.
Came across quite a few posts saying the owners only thinking about money etc!
I'm afraid they are businessmen first before sport enthusiasts, they have bought the club for hundreds of millions of pounds and further invested in improving the squad.
A cup win or two definately pleases them and will earn them a couple million quid but nothing compared to entry in the champions league! Just look at how much chelsea will be earning if they win, thats silly money!!
However, Kenny has done a great job in his first full season at the club. He cleared out the dross that we had accumulated over the years, managed to lower the wage bill by quite a bit and has a cup in the bag with a potential final this weekend.
The only thing Kenny MUST do if he is staying next season is be CLEVER in the transfer market.
There are always great bargains out there, Papiss Cisse/Cabaye, Jelavic to name a few.
Lets hope we win the FA cup o saturday and look to next season to be more competetive in the League! The only way is UP now, a top finisher, skillful right winger and intelligent CAM and we'll definately be challenging for top 4 :)
Cheers
RedSox69
03 May 2012 15:01:43
My view is that if you enter a competition you do so to win it otherwise what's the point? We won 1 possibly 2 come Saturday out of the 3 that we entered. Most of the performances this season have been great the problem has been consistency and luck. We haven't had any of either. You are a fan of fancy stupid name footballers and not the club if your not happy about winning trophies. I'm just as upset as anyone about missing champs league again but I for one knew we had no chance of winning the prem this year so apart from some money we have lost nothing by finnishing were we have. The trophy cabinet is getting bigger and the team is getting better just have patience and thaith because I believe in 1-2 years we will be challenging for the title and not just 4th. If your not in it to win it then what's the point in being in it.
Eric the red
03 May 2012 14:38:37
Just a few players I would love to see next season at the club...
Belhander
Elm
Jackson Martinez
Gaston Ramirez
Moussaka Sissoko
5 great players who I believe are realistic. Now before you jump to criticizing those options, I am aware of lack of champions league... However these players do know we still have a name amongst the best of the premier league, EVEN IF we are performing so poorly... Gaston on the right wing but can play behind the striker with gerrard, belhander with Lucas and sissoko - a player who is seen as the perfect replacement for to gerrard... Then downing still on the left because I see him coming good.. Then elm who can slot in for Lucas... Obviously a lot of midfielders but all can play attacking which is what we are lacking at times, so yes a rotation of some sort would need to be applied, maybe by form? ( in terms of choosing out of sissoko, elm, belhander, Ramirez ) and on a concluding note, I have watched Martinez in real life and he has some serious talent but maybe a super sub for Suarez?
YNWA
GET KEEN FOR THE FA CUP :)
You are spot on with Bendtner he is the game changer. I think he is on loan at Sunderland so a deal could be done. He is top quality and we need players of his style and ability. Never heard of the others on your list other than Sissoko but he wasnt great first time round and the eye injury didnt help.
Bendtner is top quality?? That made me laugh. just ask the gooners what they think of him.
Indian Buzzer
Have a reread it say BELHANDER not bendtner. Shoulda wen to specsavers!
That guy is a troll. Don't feed. Beware.
I don't think we'll add too much to the squad. Luuk de Jong and Gaston Ramirez and I'll be happy.
BthekingB
Please don't knock Bendtner...a few years ago in the CL tie against Arsenal he was our best defender!
Van Der Wiel
Nigel De Jong
Kagawa
Belhander
Jackson Martinez
03 May 2012 14:35:07
truthfully and simplly being a red supporter can be tough sometimes but ive always loved the siege mentality our suppoters can raise in times of rough waters we need to show some on saturday
03 May 2012 14:25:41
Just seen the headline reds reveal £35 waste. Bit harsh on andy I thought.
Also the news is out that Liverpool fc made a loss of 50m last year.
It's the eds I feel for though for all the questions that are about to come in.
Enjoy, I'm about to make a similar loss in buying a baby's crib.
MIKEY
£35 isn't all that much so I wouldn't worry, its only about the cost of a roll of wallpaper.
I think the 'waste' of £35m refers to the money Liverpool have spent on proposals and designs for the now defunct stadium that Hicks & Gillett lied about building {Ed001's Note - bit harsh, Hicks and Gillett did really want to build a new stadium, they were desperate to be heroes. They just got caught out by the global recession and didn't have the money. There was certainly no lie intended, much as I don't like the pair of them, you have to be fair.}
£35m was known by FSG when they took over, its all the legal stuff to go with the stadium design by H&G, yes they still draining us!
payoff for RH & staff £8-£10m.
Ayre has stated we wouldnt have been far off breaking even this season if it werent for these. And the Warrior sponsorship has not been taken into account in any of the years figures.
part of the " work in progress" that many people dont see is the mess H&G left us.
the North America games will bring in a sizeable figure to carry into next years amount, but i feel new stadium/development plans and costs will again see year next at a loss.
the positive thing is, unlike the manchester club, we dont have to sell to balance our books now, yet anyways fingers crossed. just trim squad and wage bill, deadwood and high earners not pulling their socks up. couple of year commercially we will be a lot bigger, Liverpool will be a "brand" ( sorry we do have american owners) profit poured straight into 1st,reserve & acadamy teams. all part of "work in progress" so many on ere fail to see.
YNWA
Piddy.
Ins't 35m the amount that was spent on carroll
03 May 2012 14:20:00
Arguably apart from Jose Enrique, have Liverpool made a really successful signing since the summer 2007 arrival Torres. I can't think of any.
So Suarez hasn't been a success then?
ChrisE
Suarez?
Suarez?
Skrtel
What about a certain mr. luis suarez then?
hulmerous
Suarez?.. just a thought!
ItsNotRocketScience
Mascerano, Agger, Lucas, Saurez, Bellamy, mourlies etc not bad considering we were owned by hicks and gillet
Mascherano? Suarez? Bellamy?
To be fair there's been a lot of poor transfer choices since Torres arrived, we've consistently brought poorer players than the ones we've sold. Hopefully since the FSG takeover in the long run that will change.
RedSG
Carroll?
Just wait and see - our best signings are (as yet) too young to be playing regularly for the 1st team.
DM2012
Suarez, Coates, Sterling, Suso
Agger, Mascherano came before the summer of 2007. I think Lucas arrived before summer 2007.
03 May 2012 14:08:21
Tom Werner: "We never talk publicly about our transfer targets. However, any team would be lucky to have Clint Dempsey playing on their squad."
They certainly like him and may be interested. But i don't think we should spend anywhere over £10mil for a player of his age.
rednakis
I hope we do get him
I don't think Werner could be more explicit: "Clint, we want you to sign for us".
Dempsey is such a no-brainer for us.
Dempsey has carried his national team for years...great player
03 May 2012 13:59:34
Rafa is coming back to replace agent comolli as director of footie and will work along side kenny next season. There is no basis for this trail of thought other than I think I'm a smart arse.
Y' know that final we're in Saturday? Thank Dirk!
Rafa is a dictaor so he wont work with anyone else , thats why he will never work for us again thank god , he would not like a DoF , to work with and the yanks or arabs dont have enough money for him
03 May 2012 13:53:37
If Kenny starts with Dirk on Saturday, he will need sacking immediately after the game because we dont have a chance of winning with him in the side i actually pray he is not anywhere near the bench, nevermind the starting 11, all you reds who like him open up your eyes and realise how bad he is. i genuinely believe things will improve next season if he has gone and cannot be on the pitch.
i think its over 6 months since we have won a game when he has started (v Everton at Goodison).
Dirk is the type of player that needs a continued run of games to remain sharp... Without this he has the touch of a poor Carroll...Dirk is no longer a starter and so will be sold in the summer... Dirk is however still a big game player and sticking him on the bench is wise as he.can come on and score.the.winner like he.did.against utd.
He scored the winner against Utd in the FA cup.
Agree he's not the most technically gifted or creative but scores some important goals & never gives up.
All our problems can be traced back to Dirk?
don't you like him? I hope he plays on Saturday, he's guaranteed to give 100% and ever likely to score a goal just when you need it.
Obviously you know better than the Dutch who play him in their side.
Dirk's form this season has suffered through having to watch an inept £35 mill donkey.
Granted he's not the greatest player in the world but he's a Dutch international player and that's a lot better option than Carroll.
kidmillions
Na dirks alri, the man 4 the big game, its henderson n carrol i worry about.
5gold stars
Didn't Dirk start when we beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge this season? I think he completed the full 90!
He also came on as a sub when we beat them in the CC?
LFC_SA
If you didnt have Dirk you would never of even won the toy cup
Hey amigo sadly Dirk hasn't been the same player since he had surgery last year but another reason he's been way below par is his confidence is shot after he was almost pushed out in the Jan transfer window. He knows he's not wanted. He' also being singled out for critism in the dressing room which is unfair after some of the crap served up this season. He'll be gone in a few weeks so you'll soon get your wish but get behind him for the last few games mate. I love the guy and I know he's not everyones cup of tea but the treatment is a bit shabby for someone who's always been in the trenches for us when called apon and he absolutely loves the team and the city. I'd love him to score the winner on Saturday
Brian Maiden from wonderful Wavertree
Should I remind you that he kept our hopes alive in the carling up, and he's a big game player...
Gotta be honest mate, I agree with you but I would have Kuyt in the team before Spearing. Sorry but the lad is never gonna be good enough. Gets drawn to the ball too easily and his passing is woeful. Brings nothing to the team at all. Shelvey is twice the player Spearing will ever be.
Harty
Lighten up buddy
If carragher starts he needs a sacking not kyut mate
You fans of Dirk are probably the same people who thought Djimi Traore was a good player, A champions league winner BTW! just because he has been blessed with unbelievable luck doesnt mean he is any good, and the phrase ever likely to score a goal? are you mental? his winner in the carling cup final deflected in off his foot after his first attempt was flying ten yards wide, wake up to Dirks lack of ability be an honest fan not a blind fan!
Got a feeling Dirk will play. With Ashley Cole providing their biggest threat on the left with his overlapping runs, someone who is diligent in defence will be needed.
Dirk is the man for the big occasion, and whilst it is likely he will leave in the summer, he always gives 100% for the club.
I would much rather have Dirk on the right than Henderson (not that I don't rate Hendo, but he should only play in the middle)
RedSG
If carra,gerrard and spearing start we should be very worried
If we don't play Kuyt, we are stupid. Kuyt is one of those players who shows up in big games. Who bailed us out in the Carling Cup final?
So you never jumped up when he scored against the mancs ? or his winners against the clown school from across the park ? you don't get get 85 caps for Holland through luck mate. Read up on what Molby said about him and he knows his onions.
L15
I obviously want any player that plays for Liverpool to do well and i would love Dirk to play out of his skin, i am a Liverpool fan forever, but i just cant take his lack of ability anymore, i understand fans loyalty to players who love the club work hard etc and will praise them even though they dont deserve it, Steven Gerrard has done more for Liverpool than probably most players so he is basically untouchable even when he has a stinker its hard for fans to have a go at him, i believe the same happens with Dirk, because he loves the club people will ignore the lack of ability the countless missed sitters and refer to the one moment a season he will do something good, the hatrick against the mancs from a total of five yards, the goal in the carling cup that deflected in off his foot after his first attempt was going miles wide, certain players can do no wrong with fans, Jordan Henderson has been showing some real glimpses lately that he can become a really good player working as hard if not more than any other Liverpool player this season yet its easy for fans to slag the boy off coz he wont be a favourite until he gets a winner against the mancs then he will be untouchable forever more.
03 May 2012 13:50:09
Liverpool chairman Tom Werner has insisted that the club are looking to improve the squad in the transfer window, and has expressed his admiration for Fulham midfielder Clint Dempsey
Premier League results for Kenny Dalglish's side have been below-par this season with the club's recent big-money signings, including Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing, struggling to find their feet at Anfield.
However, Werner has ensured that the club will continue to pursue new targets during the summer transfer window
"We are confident that we will be making further progress in the future, and we are hard at work identifying transfer targets to help us continue to improve the squad," he told .
Cottagers star Dempsey has been linked with the Reds after having scored a career-best 16 Premier League goals so far this season, with former Liverpool director of football Damien Comolli admitting that the 29-year-old would be one of his targets if he was at a top six club.
When asked whether the club would be interested in the Fulham attacker, Werner replied: "We never talk publicly about our transfer targets. However, any team would be lucky to have Clint Dempsey playing on their squad."
Werner also insists that Fenway Sports Group, the sports investment company that owns Liverpool, remains fully committed to manager Dalglish.
"We have great confidence in Kenny," Werner maintained. "He enjoys our full support."
Despite an inconsistent league campaign, Liverpool have the chance to add their second trophy this season when they play Chelsea in the FA Cup final on Saturday.
The Reds beat Championship side Cardiff City on penalties at the end of February to secure the League Cup crown.
"This season did not go as we had hoped in the Premier League, but we also have visited Wembley three times, and we have won the League Cup," Werner explained.
"Even if Chelsea defeats us, we are excited about the progress we are making and look forward to next season."
Werner only arrived at Anfield last season but says he has already come to learn of Liverpool's history in finals of cup competitions at Wembley.
Ending the season on a high note, he added, could invigorate the club ahead of the 2012-13 campaign.
"Wembley owns a special place for our club," Werner enthused. "I have heard stories from ex-players on how important winning the FA Cup was in 1965.
"Winning a second cup at Wembley next week would give everyone great confidence for the new season."
03 May 2012 13:40:39
going to my first game in over 2 years on saturday, managed to get a ticket through a friend, so anyone know of any good pubs around wembley?
Why? Do you want to sell your ticket to a loyal SUPPORTER who has been to all the matches this season (at great cost) and can't get a ticket. At least on this occasion someone has the decency NOT to sign their name and show us all what a rat that they are!
Dutchmal
Why , are you buying?
Not been to a game for a few years used to go every game for 10 years when you could pay on the gate. But please tell me just because someone may not have been for a while they are any less of a loyal supporter? Anfield holds just 45,000 so if you all want to try and keep the club afloat without any one else please post your suggestions here. LFC are a global brand in this new era of football and i for one know that when i pay my £75 a month for multiroom sky or paying £200 a season on all the new shirts for me and my daughter or subscribing to LFC TV or buying endless amounts of merchandise i am well and truly contributing to there coffers so don't see myself as any less of a loyal fan. And before anyone asks i live 9 mile from the KOP! Signed my name just for good measure.
Sour + Grapes = Dutchmal
or are you annoyed about something in particular?
Dutchmal, i one paragraph, you have provex what an arrogant prat you are. Very poor statement! You have no more of a god given right to go to the final than the un named poster.
The Irish Rover
Jesus Christ Duthmal, leave the lad alone. I see where your coming from but don't throw a tantrum because you didn't get a ticket. I though it was only blues who were bitter.
OP, have a great day.
davethebutcher
Some people unfortunately don't have a season ticket and can't get to games
Just because you dont go to anfield week in week out, that does not make you a bad supporter. I myself have not been to a game in 4 years because of work and family commitments but I still watch most games online, buy shirts every year, hurt when we get beat and cheer when we win!
Mark
What a bunch of idiots you all are! Those of you who can understand English will realise from my previous posts that I don't live in England so I am not complaining about not getting a ticket. I know that it is impossible to get a ticket for a League match. I was in Liverpool for the West Brom game but a while ago I asked on this site how I could obtain a ticket. The only 'supporters' willing to help me asked for wacky baccy (which a) they'd already smoked too much of,and b) is too powerful for their damaged brains to absorb) or Edam cheese which tastes like rubber and the best part of it is the red outer covering. I am actually away this weekend so will,unfortunately,miss the Final altogether. The Sour + Grapes comment I cannot understand and the Rover makes me ashamed of my substantial Irish blood. Good luck to Liverpool and the rest of you be damned.
Dutchmal
You contradict yourself Mal.You say your a regular,then bleat aboutjust being able to go recently cos you live abroad.Which is it?Too much of the substances you refer too?
03 May 2012 13:25:33
eds what are your thoughts on Defoe proven and will offer goals he maybe nearly 30 but great player {Ed001's Note - he has never and will never be great.}
Eds what are your thoughts on Defoe. Has score goals in the past. Nearly 30 but english and very mediocre and probably looking for one last big pay day. Sounds like he fits out transfer policy!
just kidding...i think our signings will come good (except downing whos been there and done it....or rather not done it.)
Red Pete II
Defoe is a great striker as his stats prove beyond question
He's Lucky Harry Redknapp adopted him as a boy otherwise he'd be in the Championship playing his Football
Lyndon
Agree with Ed.
So nobody would buy Defoe? That seems to be the crux of our problem at the moment too many people are happy to have a striker who doesn't score and don't want a striker who does.
I do wonder at times
Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - but he doesn't score that many, if he wasn't English he would be a joke. Spurs are desperately short of striking options and prefer Saha to him. Then there is the simple fact he doesn't want to leave London.}
I'm not saying he would come but a goal every 3 games including at international level can hardly be described as "doesn't score many".
Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story eh Ed?
Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - hardly facts, there are many with better scoring records in the dross that is international football. Now mr smug, want to have a look round and see how many average strikers have scored far more in international football? Or do you just want to carry on being wrong? If that is your only 'proof' that he is a top goalscorer, then you really are making your usual arse of yourself.}
Tut, tut ed, fancy lowering yourself to name calling.
Ok let's forget international football seeing as you don't rate it and let me ask is 1 goal in 3 in the premiership a good or bad return?
Now please try hard to answer like a big boy
Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - try not to be a supercilious little knob then Chris, though I know it comes natural to you as you have caused problems time and again through it. 1 in 3 is not a great record, 1 in 2 is the mark of a top striker, 1 in 3 is simply not top class, it's average. Is that so difficult to understand?}
Yes 1 in 2 is world class but unless you hadn't noticed we aren't in a position to sign someone of that class at the moment! Tell you what lets stick with Andy whose ratio is worse than 1 in 3 and that includes a season in the championship.
(see,still no name calling required!)
Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - so you want to add someone who isn't better? What is the point in that? Defoe offers nothing to the team, I would rather have Carroll any day and you know I don't rate Carroll either. All Defoe would do is get in Suarez's way. Have you actually watched him play? He drops off into the same gaps as Suarez, but gives away the ball a lot more, creates less chances and is not as good a player. Why would we want him? We need a player to provide something different, a player who could potentially be a 1 in 2 player, rather than one who has struggled to get 1 in 3 and is 29 and injury prone.}
Now that is more like it Ed, I just don't think he's as bad as you suggest. No need for all the nastiness sometimes people's opinions can differ
Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - it is the way you express yours Chris, you come across as very condescending. I think he is awful myself, I have met him a number of times and he is a horrible little *censored* as well. He was a big time charlie when he was at Charlton and was happy to jump from club to club purely for money. His goal scoring record is not that good though, look how long he took to score 100 Prem goals. He is over rated because England have such a dearth of strikers, not one is worth buying.}
1 in 3 is likely better than Dalglish's record - (or thereabouts). But that doesn't say much. Stats rarely do.
Zola likely had a 1 in 3 record in England yet he was a genius, the same for Bergkamp.
Rushie had 1 in 3 for Wales.
*I never checked any of that - If I'm wrong - apologies*
I agree with ed001 though that Defoe is not the answer to anything.
Maybe if we got him 10 years ago - with some good coaching - he could have made more of his abilities - such as his pace and his shooting - he had a powerful strike on him.
His pace has steadily declined and he's been misfiring for some time now too - he never had anything more than that to his game and he still doesn't - (a career coached by Harry can't help).
Keep him away. If thats the best we can do - we may as well give up now.
We may as well sign the likes of Andy Johnson to play upfront if we think Defoe's good enough.
For me - It'd be like signing the striking equivalent of Paul Konchesky.
BJH YNWA.
03 May 2012 12:55:38
i cant understand why class players dont want to come to liverpool fc just because we havent got cl sure its only for 1-2 years before were back where we belong
Who says they don't?
Red Pete II
I agree, dont players want to fight for it instead of just expecting it, unfortunately thats the culture these days!
billynwa
It's going to to take a lot of things coming together at the same time for cl footy in the next two years.
1. Current players under performing starting to perform - Downing, Adam and Carroll mainly for me.
2. Young ones coming through clicking earlyish, by that I mean in TWO seasons time one or tow are quality first team players. (We can't afford to buy a squad full of quality)
3. The tranfers that take place in the summer to be right and settle fairly quickly i.e. Cisse - Newcastle!
4. Manager/coaches to find a way to convert shots in to goals. (I don't know the answer but a whole season of 20+ shots per game and yet hardly scoring is not just bad luck!)
If those things happen we have a chance of hitting 3rd / 4th I would say. And then, regroup for a push for title.
Remember, City are only going to get stronger. Chelsea are going to restock wiht quality and in a few years will be stronger I feel.
03 May 2012 12:54:26
Is it true that JJB have sold out of Chelsea shirts? Typical of the twisted's init, can't get to a final themselves so support whoever were playing!! DON'T YOU JUST HATE sorry PITY EVERTONIANS!! FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW!!!!!
Waro
I believe you lot currently have to look up to Everton.
Thats only the Carmarthen branch mate
03 May 2012 12:40:33
Lots of people are moaning about KK, Hendo, Adam, Carroll, Downing etc etc, personally I feel Liverpool are not to far away from where we need to be. I do however see that we do need a couple of new players but, for me (apart from the obvious) there are two main problems:
1. The anchor midfielder, far too often we have played with an anchor when really we did not need one, by that I mean the opposition sitting back and parking the bus. We have too many people behind the ball, playing slow pass and move, pass back and move, some more pass and move with nearly the entire opposition sitting in their own half in the defensive positions thinking 'thanks guys for slowing it down so my recovery run was not so intense'. I would much rather see us play the 4-2-3-1 that both Bayern and Real used in their semi-final. This would give us the security if the other team counter but also allow us to dictate the game with a minimum of 4 advanced players if they did park the bus. Which leads to what I feel is the other problem;
2. The advanced players have been (apart from Suarez) to negative, far to many times this season I have seen a pass back, lay off instead of running at their defence. The final third has been dire at times and a lack of pace is there for all to see. Suarez and Glen Johnson have really been the only two players for me that run at the defenders and when they do it often cause havoc. I feel maybe we are carrying to many players who cannot play week in week out or are prone to injury to really get where we want to be. So instead of naming individual signing we should make I would say pace and ability to make the final third exciting rather than dull, CB, AM, LW, RW, ST and sell only Adam out of our new signings as his defensive side is simply not good enough.
Team for me: (The two ??? would not be wingers per se)
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Lucas Gerrard
??? Suarez ???
Carroll
Two points to sum up Gerrard as a DM with Hendo covering those two positions. Reason for Gerrard there is that his range of passing is out of this world he is getting older and could dictate the game from there. I feel Gerrard plays best when behind the ball and could still burst forward if needed.
Carroll (unless Macca is right and he is taking the micky) I would stick with, I would not play the ball to his feet expecting him to hold it up, nor to many aerial balls for him with his back to goal (he is fouled to often). I would want him to play a bit like Mario Gomez (lots said he was not good enough as well), the two ??? and Suarez to terrorise the oppositions defence and Carroll to put the ball in the back of the net if none of the other 3 do.
K79
Kara from Tromso (Norway I think) would be agreat anchor man. Although my knowledge of him is not extensive. he-he.. first spotted him on FM2012 but then found some youtube clips - I know they are not real sources. Also, please please Macca, keep writing - I greatly appreciate your insight.
Love to all.
Fed up with pseudonyms so will sign off with my name,
Eugene.
P.S. How can I donate to the website?
You can't coach a player to be a great centre forward, to have great movement, instant control, quick feet to get a shot away before being closed down.
Carroll is a typical product of english schools football. Players like him are what's wrong with english football. It's starts at school level "the big lad physically much much stronger than the other lads and scoring loads of goals.
Stupid scouts recommending them to clubs. Then when they get older and in with players who can cope with them, they get found out as not even having the basic skills.
I'd go as far as to say some English players would never become pros if they were born in another Country. Conversely I am quite sure there must be loads of skilful schoolboy footballers that won't become pros but probably would if born in another country.
Football is a game of skill. Forget big lads and he's beast and all that b****cks that's for Rugby.
kidmillions
I understand where you are coming from kidmillions, I would say you can coach good movement, instant control and quick feet, then experience enhances them. Having worked in coaching I would say the biggest problem in English football is the lack of coaching technique. I have come across a lot of ex academy players who are lacking in this department. Carroll's problem is either nerves or reaction(lifestyle?)/fitness imo but as I don't know him personally its hard to say quite what. I find a lot of what the press say hard to believe but as i said in the post if his lifestyle is good I would stick with him 100 percent.
K79
03 May 2012 12:21:45
how can you spot difference between a liverpool fan and an everton fan??? the everton fan will be getting ready to watch a night of britians got talent on saturday....dave d
03 May 2012 12:18:34
"If the Reds complete a cup double, then they will have a bye into the group stages. These calculations are reliant on UEFA sticking by the existing access list, but that is highly likely" Phil Cornwall (Football365).
There's more than a Cup at stake; it's direct entry into the Europa League. Singred
03 May 2012 12:04:40
Ed, what would you say about Victor Moses as he has been linked with quite a few clubs. Also what about Javi Martinez( i know manc's are linked)but do you think we'd have much of a chance? Thanks {Ed001's Note - I am not a fan of Moses, I think he has found his level, he is not suited to pass and move football, in my opinion. Martinez is a fantastic player, he would be my first choice signing of any player in the world. I doubt very much Bilbao will let him go though.}
Martinez brilliant player but we need the money elsewhere to strengthen the squad/team. Moses looks a really good player but note of Caution he's only really been playing well for the last 10/12 games.
kidmillions
Edd 001 what are you on today can I ask, Moses isnt suited to pass and move? have you seen wigan play lately mate if not try and watch them before making dumb comments about a player that is playing for a team based on pass and move. he may not be good enough for liverpool but the boy isnt that bad.
Scottybhoy 1888 ynwa {Ed001's Note - he is not playing pass and move football, try watching him, he is running with the ball, not passing it. The only dumb comment is yours. You clearly have no idea how to scout a player and can't differentiate between what one player does and what a team does. Come back when you have a clue lad.}
I have read these boards for a number of years now and if my memory serves me right people were discussing Martinez as far back as 2-3 years ago. I would have thought in that time Liverpool would have enquired about his availabilty and a) been told he is not for sale b) price too high c) his agent would pass on that player not interested.
If we have never enquired then the members of this forum should be hired as scouts. We recognise talent... Am I right ed001?
Long live the King
{Ed001's Note - we have enquired a few times, as have numerous other clubs, always the same answer - not for sale and he doesn't want to go anywhere. I doubt anything will have changed. You are right though, he has been lauded on here for years now.}
03 May 2012 11:55:10
There is an ongoing debate on here over whether 4th or domestic cups should be a priority. Now, obviously every player loves winning cups and having the medals as something special to show for their careers when they retire, but from the club (and fans) point of view, surely 4th is more important. Yes, every club exists to win trophies but in order to do that consistently we need to be able to attract the world's best players. This means being genuine contenders for all possible competitions including the champions league, and being financially sustainable through the income and global exposure this brings.
I'm not saying we should abandon any efforts in the domestic cups until we are back in the champions league but we should definitely prioritise 4th. Once we're there we will be able to strengthen and put together a squad more capable of winning cups and doing well in the league, not having to compromise.
As a fan, the cup runs this season have been great, but for the future of the club, being a part of the champions league is more important.
JK
Ask birmingham , if they would have either won the cup or not get relegated , god thats so easy its unreal
Pointless post of the day. You are saying it's more important to finish forth to generate money and attract players to win trophies. Surly winning trophies is better than generating money to allow you to win trophies?
Go support arsenal if you want CL and no trophies.
The poster above has oversimplified an already simplified topic. Generating money from qualifying for more prestigious competitions puts us in a better position financially and allows us to compete for more trophies. So discarding your myopic view that we must win everything this time around, finishing fourth in one season so that we can buy better players the next enables us to stay in the top four and have a better chance of winning the trophies, including the very important champions league which we would have qualified for. Try looking a little further than 1 season and it's clear that we should focus on fourth.
JK
Jk. Why don't you look a little further than 1 season? Look at the age of the players that have left and compare it to thoose who have came in.
We have took a step back to build for the future. Henderson, Carroll, Coates and Saurez will be with us for 10 years in the same way Lucas is.
Were winning trophies while rebuilding. Some people are never happy.
03 May 2012 11:39:35
Ed - Will the owners be attending the FA Cup final? Singred {Ed001's Note - I would assume so, but I have no real idea. Why?}
Board meetings, sign-off accounts, new signings, show their support for the team perhaps? Singred {Ed001's Note - I meant why does it matter?}
03 May 2012 11:42:52
Let's just imagine we're Roman Abramovich this morning.
You've got a spare £74 million wedged down the back of the sofa.
B hell, says Roman, didn't know that was there.
What can I buy ?
Hmmm, Christian Ronaldo or Edward Munch's "The Scream" ?
Hmmm, decisions decisions...
The Real KB
The scream every time. Makes total financial sense. In 10 years time it will be worth double that. By the same time Ronaldo's career will be over, his looks will have faded - you wont even be able to rent him out as an orifice for lonely sailors.
Red Pete II
I think he's going to spend on the Incredible Hulk. Singred
He would probably be more like, big deal why are you bothering me with such insignificant details? :P
Ska-oop
He'd just buy it for 75m then sell it a year later for 10m
Lyndon
Red pete you worry me that you think ronaldo is good looking
Hello Sailor!!
Lyndon
03 May 2012 11:42:44
Hi everyone/eds, does anyone know how much will we made by winning the carling cup also how much will the winner get for fa cup?
Lfc fan from Cardiff. {Ed023's Note - More than likely}
The Winners fee for winning cups I believe is only a couple of million more money will be raised through television rights and tickets revenue {Ed001's Note - it is the live streaming rights that are the future earner.}
03 May 2012 23:55:12
according to the Carling website the winners of the Carling cup get £100,000 plus extras for every round the win. the FA cup winner get 1.8 million and will have accrued around 1.6 million in prize money for reaching the final.
Details of the FA cup prize breakdown can be found here: http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/More/prize-fund
Ali
03 May 2012 11:40:32
Are liverpool or any other clubs interested in Freddy Montero? I read an article that said we have interest not sure if this is true though...
03 May 2012 11:37:36
Can someone explain to me why it costs so much to plan and design a new stadium. ( not build it) After all, we are not buying bricks, mortar scaffolding and labour yet,.
Are we paying some architect millions to design a stadium,, buying up property around anfield. Where has the money gone?
Can anyone please explain what the costs have been on. Its a staggering amount to spend on plan and design only especiaaly when seemingly we are no closer to a decison yet.
Red First & Last
03 May 2012 11:26:54
Aurelio is the best crosser in the team no doubt about it but .....you all know
Long live the KING...YNWA
REDistani.
He's crossing the ball from just past the half way line, because he's unable to carry it any further.
Eds. keep adding "lion king"...its well funny.
03 May 2012 11:23:59
Surely Belhanda and Giroud would want to play CL with Montpellier and hope to get a move to a massive club like Milan or Madrid as a result instead of scrambling around for Europa League places with an underachieving club
03 May 2012 11:18:30
- Liverpool's losses rose in the year in question - from £19.9m previously to £49.4m.
- Debt interest charges as a result of the FSG takeover have reduced from £18m to £3m annually
- £131m was spent in the period on new players including Luis Suarez, Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing, and Charlie Adam.
- The net spend on players was £41m - as opposed to just under £17m the year previously.
- Wage costs went up by £10m during the year - reflecting an ageing squad and an issue since addressed, say the club, when ten players left Anfield during the summer (including Emiliano Insua, Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky, Philip Degen and Milan Jovanovic).
- A 25 per cent growth in commercial revenues - up from £62.1m to £77.4m
- Total club revenue in 2011 fell by just under a million pounds to £183.6m - reflecting the loss of Champions League football this season.
- Media revenues dropped from £79.6m to £65.3m - again reflecting the loss of Champions League football from TV sources
- Matchday revenues dropped £2m to £40.9m - again an impact of no Champions league games
The £49.4m loss includes exceptional payments of £35m towards the unsustainable HKS Stadium plan H&G were championing and £8.4m to pay off Roy Hodgson and his staff.
From the stories I've read, and the key points pointed out by the Echo above, FSG are just the owners we needed after the H&G farce. They have returned the club to a point where it can build and grow for the long term.
RedSG
What about the 35M we paid for the useless empty Vodka Bottle and the rest of not good enough players bandwagon brought in along with him.
Oh money well spent should have kept the money in the bank to balance the books rather than wasting it like this.
The 35mil scored the winner to send us into the FA Cup final. Get over it, you bitter! Singred
Pretty Good results to say theirs a 35million one off loss on the of stadium plans and it doesn't include the New warrior deal. Also looks like they did payoff 200 million debt.
Things looking up on that side of the club at least.
Lyndon
It seems that EDD2 was right about us making a loss (£49.4m is a BIG loss). I apologise for questioning you over this but still think KK and Luis will stay:) Bucks Red looking out for a Wembley Ticket
Empty vodka bottle LOL.
Indian Buzzer
Ed002 don't you have anything to say about this, in the lines of 'thats not entirely correct' or 'you don't know what you're talkin about'?? {Ed005's Note - Do you boyo?}
03 May 2012 11:18:12
The LFC Foundation has donated 12 tickets for Saturday's FA Cup final clash with Chelsea to armed forces charities in recognition of their hard work and bravery.
Who's going to complain?
I would complain. There are more worthy people than professional soldiers.
No-one, im sure
03 May 2012 11:07:35
hi edds doing good job mate on your site every day just to say de jong scored 2 again last night so sounds like to me the the lad would be a good buy he nos were the net is just hope we get him you only have to look at pappa cissie again cheap buy an nos were the net is so would take the risk an buy de jong what do you think my frenid thanks {Ed001's Note - he does look a good buy, he offers something a little different from Suarez and Carroll as well, which is always useful.}
Why would he go to you when he could come to the might spurs!!
Now theres a good name for a team...the 'might spurs' !
cant say ive EVER regarded them as mighty , thats for sure!
tel 1949
03 May 2012 10:38:42
i have had it from a good source that liverpool are gona make a bid for adam johnson if robbin goes to city or a season long loan with a buy clause in it ita my cousin that give me the info as she works in the liverpool ticket office what do u think edds thanks {Ed023's Note - His wages and social life would be something to consider first. I can't see Munich letting Robben go on loan. They're in no rush to sell so I doubt they would be rushed in to loaning him out}
Adam Johnson would just love the night life,club scene in Liverpool:((
kidmillions
Is Johnson any better than Downing?
Adam Johnson & Andy Carroll united would rule the bars & clubs in Liverpool.
hell no! keep our club away from these Vodka bottles!
I can't think of a worse idea than signing party-boy Johnson. Do we learn nothing?
03 May 2012 10:33:28
Well ian ayre has put a dampner on my day saying repeatadley in his interview with Lfc tv that our money for the playing squad comes from the investments we get, in other words our owners won't be spending any of their money anymore. We need to be driven to the next level these guys can't do that they can only make us 'sustanable' that's not good enough, why are we cOnserning ourselves with FFP when we aren't even in the champions League , we need a huge outlay on a new ground 60/70k people ASWELL as on the pitch. Were not making the right noises of a top club that wants to WIN were making everton style comments. It's no coinsidence that the top 3 wage bills in the world are mardrid,barca and city look where they are compared to us
To the unnamed poster, what did you expect? Is it a shock that our owners are not spending like Abramovich or Sheik Mansour? They are business professionals who are running us professionally. When we return to CL football and generally increase income we can look at increasing wages and perhaps buying a stellar name or two...
if you expected anything else then remember 18 months ago... it wasn't a question of who we would sign but who might stay!
Richards
03 May 2012 10:33:15
Eds....
Is it possible that Henry, Commolli and Kenny were executing a 3 year plan by buying squad players first(Henderson, Downing , Adam etc) before spending big on team players this summer or do things usually get done another way? The way i see it, we now have a great squad of players, but just need a couple of superstars to really pull things together. If we do spend our money in the market, who will most likely fill the gaping hole on the right wing? {Ed023's Note - There is load of possibilities on who we could sign to play on the right. Just let the management decide who will cover that "gaping hole"}
You do realise that would mean they spent £100m on squad players ?
Markel Susaeta!
Aramndo
Yep Markel Susaeta would be my first choice. Gaston Ramirez can play left or right. Ibrahim Afellay could be another option. Personally I would get all 3 as Afellay could be purchased at a reduced price of around £6-7 million. Markel Susaeta £12-15 million, Gaston Ramirez £16 million and say £7 million for Afellay. That would be Afellay, Susaeta, Ramirez, Downing and Raheem Sterling as options for the wide positions. Ramirez and Afellay can also play in advanced central positions. Players that would come in would be:
Gaston Ramirez
Markel Susata
Ibrahim Afellay
Rasmus Elm
Luuk De Jong
Jackson Martinez
Yes it's 6 players but I think the likes of Kuyt, Maxi, Aquilani and possibly Charlie Adam will all be going with maybe a couple more out on loan. Also a bigger squad would be needed next season with us being in 4 competitions instead of 3.
03 May 2012 10:25:45
Cottagers star Dempsey has been linked with the Reds after having scored a career-best 16 Premier League goals so far this season, with former Liverpool director of football Damien Comolli admitting that the 29-year-old would be one of his targets if he was at a top six club.
When asked whether the club would be interested in the Fulham attacker, Werner replied: "We never talk publicly about our transfer targets. However, any team would be lucky to have Clint Dempsey playing on their squad."
Werner also insists that Fenway Sports Group, the sports investment company that owns Liverpool, remains fully committed to manager Dalglish.
"We have great confidence in Kenny," Werner maintained. "He enjoys our full support."
''We have great confidence in Kenny," Werner maintained. "He enjoys our full support."
Looks like everyone agrees...
We have great confidence in Kenny," SAF, MOYES... WENGER... RDM ...PARDEW... MANCINI... and REDKNAPP... maintained. "He enjoys our full support."
''Keep it like it is Ken''
love this place like a fox in a henhouse :)
Blue247
Love that fa cup semi-final
I know you say 24/7, but give yourself a day off from being a **** occasionally mate eh.
The Real KB
Do you mind Blue24/7 mate? We don't want to listen to your bitter rants buddy. We're to busy preparing for the big game on Saturday. I can only imagine you sitting at home on Saturday on your lazy boy, praying Chelsea win. Which is pretty sad mate tbh supporting another team because your own team are rubbish. And could not do the job you want Chelsea to do.
You Toffees are sooooooooo bitter, it's unreal but not surprising.
Cheers
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
'We have great confidence in kenny' and 'he has our full support'. In australia, in any football code, when you have your chairman or CEO say these things it means a change is imminent.
steve
03 May 2012 10:19:17
I have taken my son to 5 games this season and he hasn't seen us win once....
He is only six but loves football and liverpool, he is just as bewildered as I am that we could field such a shocking startin XI. If we plan on staying mid table bar a hand full of players we have the squad to do it.
He wants to support Man City now lol. But as Ian Ayre keeps saying about liverpool being a global brand maybe you should look a bit closer to home MR AYRE.
cos your losing supporters here in liverpool
Dave
I'll be a Liverpool supporter forever, even if we're league 2 playing Port vale, i will support.
Don't be a plastic fan, have faith.
We've had bad times before and we will have them again but the good times will always come along as well.
Shocked! A person "supports" a team because 1)the team is winning i.e johnny-come-lately Man City/Chelsea "supporters" or 2) you support a team because you're a "fan" i.e "fanatical" about your team meaning through thick and thin! If Liverpool are losing "supporters" because they've only managed to win one of the 4 throphies an English team could potentially win, with a chance of adding a second cup on Saturday, then you can see what kind of supporters we are "losing" Young kids will normally swap allegiance because they want to be associated with winning teams but (hopefully!) eventually return to where their heart really belongs. Let him watch the game on Saturday, let him see the passion of true "fans" and I'm 100% certain he'll be a Kopite once he understands the meaning of the words of Walk On!
sp
Me too i will support my club if they were in the ryman league, championship or any league. I will be a liverpool fan till the day i die.
Red raj
I think we should change 'You'll Never Walk Alone' Dave mate.
To 'You'll Never Walk Alone As Long As We Are Winning' what you reckon?
Blair Mayne YNWAALAWAW JFT96
Bye, Dave! See you at the blues corner this sat. Singred
Dave..........
You have a problem mate, and lets face it so does every dad on Merseyside(re-footy clubs) at the present,
my tip would be to instill a kind of historical pride, it is a proven method Since time immemorial.
Just think of the clubs in the lower flights, if they can retain and even grow their fan base it has got to be a far easier task for well established PL clubs.
Evertonyn
Blair, the funniest thing is that some people will probably click on 'agree' thinking you're being serious.
A mate of mine has Changed teams 3 times in the 25 years I've known him Manu then Arsenal then now Chelsea.
I won't even talk to him about football!!
Lyndon
03 May 2012 10:18:50
eds what happened to one of your eds saying we have agreed a fee for Elm, seems like it was bulls**t. {Ed023's Note - Are you sure you didn't misquote? Find the post and prove a ed said it.}
Ed002 said something along the lines of he has been informed by another Ed that we may have agreed a fee. Don't think any ed confirmed it though.
J {Ed023's Note - She isn't around at the moment so I can't ask her, I will leave a not and get back to you}
03 May 2012 11:18:55
http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/rasmus-elm.php near bottom of page near
30 Apr 2012 16:01:08
{Ed022's note - Brand new player profile for all of you Liverpool fans, as it's on none other than Rasmus Elm of Alkmaar, the player Liverpool agreed a fee for today. Provides all the information you guys need and an opinion etc! www.player-profiles.co.uk - Thanks all!}
It was just some sort of verbal agreement I reckon.
Armando
Pleas don't leave ed2 a not ed23!
AnfieldUSA
03 May 2012 10:18:37
If spearinng,henderson or kuyt start on satarday i will not be happy.give sterling a chance chelsea wont know whats hit them.shelvey should start also.
I'd take sterling but keep him on the bench and bring him on near the end if we need him. Chelsea's o a ps will be half dead by then
Eric the red
03 May 2012 10:16:57
Now that Harry has missed out on the England job, if Spurs don't get CL football for next season how about Harry for LFC?
You lot get funnier and funnier
He will never leave the south coast.
Red raj
03 May 2012 10:15:24
Good morning Ed's , hope use have a wonderful day today , any ways my question is i read an report about Tom Werner saying '' We never talk publicly about our transfer targets. However, any team would be lucky to have Clint Dempsey playing on their squad '' so do you's reckon there's a good chance of him joining liverpool , personally i think he's got quality and would be a hit at anfield.
here's the report: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/liverpool-executive-chairman-werner-expects-070800045--mls.html
thanks {Ed023's Note - Have a good day you too mate. Everton are favourites to sign Dempsey right now}
Wow why Everton? they would be even more useful than they are now
03 May 2012 10:13:12
Everyone needs to calm down. Kenny and Henry have a 3 year plan to get us challenging for the title. Last year we got rid of some deadwood and lowered the very inflated wage bill. The players we signed though overpriced in terms of transfer fees are not on top tier wages. Carroll, Henderson, Adam are young enough to greatly improve over the next 12-18 months. Think of Lucas as an example. We need to have some patience with them as they grow into their roles. In the summer we will again look to move on some of the remaining bit part high earners including Aurelio, Maxi, hopefully Cole, Aquilani, Kuyt and possibly Johnson. They earn far too much when compared to the limited contributions they have made this season. During this rebuilding process we have struggled in the premiership to win at home but on the whole our performances (with one or two exceptions) have shown that with a couple of smart additions in the summer we can challenge for 4th spot in year 2 of the 3 year plan. A quality right winger, striker and central midfielder are clearly needed and we will look to address this in summer. In the meantime much work continues to be put in to solving the stadium issue. On all these front what we need is patience. In the meantime Kenny has during this process delivered 2 cup finals for us. We are a club that celebrates winning trophies. Lets embrace two cup finals in a season. Countless others including Spurs, Arsenal, Newcastle, Everton and the like only have memories of winning a trophy in the far distant recesses of their minds. Reality Red.
Sell a good footballer in Johnson and keep a donkey like Carroll! There would be plenty of takers for Johnson but we would struggle to sell Carroll. THINK ABOUT IT? That's unfortunately our situation. Get what we can for Carroll and Downing their style of play is very dated and one dimensional.
kidmillions
Now thats some post.
Well said, kidmillions
Carroll & Downing needs to be shipped out! ASAP! Worst buys! 55m wasted!
Should have given the chance to Sterling & Ngoo. bet they would have done great, even if they don't at least 55M will be in the bank.
Bosco
Kidmillions, Johnson flatters to deceive. His end produact going forward is limited and on far too many occassions he has been repsonsible for important goals being let in. He is also at an age where he is not going to improve and is also on a very high salary. If we can get our money back on him we should do so and reinvest in a quality rights sided midfielder. Reality Red
03 May 2012 10:05:26
Concerning all this talk about wining cups being better then being in top 4. Yes its nice to win cups and that what it was about years ago, but the game has moved on and all the top players now want to play with the best against the best in the champions league. You read that quality players decide who they will go to depending if that team is in the CL. Players who are in teams below the top 4 want to move to teams that are in the top 4. So for quality players its not about wining lesser cups but being in the CL. A recognised quality player WILL NOT come to Liverpool for that reason. Yes some unknown quality player may come to us but once they have shown how good they are in the premiership and Liverpool dont make top 4 again they will want to move.So to be a top team again we NEED to be in the top 4 and be in the CL. Have you heard any quaility player say yes i would like to come to Liverpool because they won the League Cup and maybe FA cup? Im not at all degrading wining the league or FA cup just saying that it is vital that Liverpool are in the CL attracting the best players . For me, being in CL playing against Barcelona in a final or semi final is a more exciting prospect then playing a team in the League cup final. MrT
Couldn't disagree with you anymore, trophys is what it's all about, I can not wait for Saturday I'm buzzing !
The league should always be number one target not getting in the top 4, I love cup finals and have been to the last 3 we have played in and I would not swap them days for getting beat in the champions league by barca.
G BOX
CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IS NOT PULLER FOR PLAYERS NOWDAYS PLAYERS WANT BIG WAGES I MEAN MONEY LOOK AT MAN CITY IF WE START TO OFFER BIG WAGES TO PLAYERS THEY WILL NOT WALK BUT RUN TO US UNFOTUNATE WE CAN'T IF WE WANT FAST SUCCESS THEN LOOK AT CITY ON VERGE OF WINNING LEAGUE WHICH WE FANS CRYING FOR 2 DECCADES
If Newcastle finish in the top 4 and you were a player on the move? Would you sign for Newcastle or Liverpool all things being equal, ie fees,wages etc.
I would sign for Liverpool because they are a bigger Club. Next season Newcastle have zero chance of winning the CL and probably the same zero chance of finishing in the top 4 again same thing applies to Spurs.
Do you think that Cisse and Ba joined Newcastle because of CL ambitions? No. Did Jelavic, Moses, Krul, Cabaye, Fellaini, Vorm, Tiote, etc, etc join their clubs because of CL? No. There are plenty of quality players to be found without CL ... players that can then help the club reach the CL! Likewise, do think that Cavanni and Hazard would join APOEL FC if they make the CL again? No.
The CL is important, obviously, but LFC can still find the players to get fourth in the coming seasons. They need to be MUCH smarted in the transfer market though, that's the challenge!
Agree with the guy above. Cabaye is a prime example of this. He already had champions league football with Lille but instead he chose to come to NUFC and give up on that.
03 May 2012 09:50:47
Hello Ed002,
lots of people, including players, keep saying that it'll be a good season if LFC wins the FA Cup. Not sure what they'll say if they don't. Possible out of top 10 in EPL, no FA Cup, Curling Cup won on penalties. Not much to cheer about in this kind of club, is there? The worst season in years as far as the league goes. The question is, will it be better next year and what will the owners do in this matter? Last year they splashed the cash and are bitterly dissapointed I would guess. Will they make the same again this season? LFC needs CL football badly. Fingers crossed it'll happen sooner than later. But how to get there? A new manager? More luck? Even more expensive players or just one or two who'll score? Liverpool may be out of luck this season in league but the style is not there either. Can KK make it better next year? No one knows and that's the biggest problem. The owners will have to gamble to some extend and let's just hope they'll be right. all the best to all true supporters. We still and always and forever believe in LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB! {Ed002's Note - I am sure that the owners will be very pleased with the cup success but they have the Champions League target in mind and that is what they will be shooting for.}
03 May 2012 09:27:48
here's a crazy idea...
swap Carroll for Cisse...?
improbbable, but i thought i'd put it out there :)
sinner21
Would even swap rvp for carroll
03 May 2012 09:16:40
I blame moores and parry for everything that happend to liverpool. They should have sold to DIC we would have a new stadium by now and a manager who knows the difference between a 35 million pound lamp post and a quality forward.
Not true, DIC recently went bust and had to be bailed out.
Parry and Moores went wrong because they lacked vision and failed to increase revenue streams and stadium size as Man Utd did in the 1990s
The club stagnated badly under previous ownership and management (Moores and Parry), truth is we are at least 10years behind in terms of development and revenue, not to mention commercial aspects.
LFC still rely on a large 'historic' fan base (but how many new fans are being "acquired"), newer fans are fickle, they chop and change allegiances as teams current achievements dictate.
I would fancy many previous 'so called supporters' are now supporting other teams, this is the nature of current newer supporters.
One has to ask, what is LFC's current support base in the UK, and could these supporters be relied upon to 'fill a new 65K plus stadium', week in and week out, this is the dilemma!.
There are realities to be considered, and has the club determined what the "brand value" is of LFC, what market penetration is, and what "market share" is held.
I know of many people who previously supported the team, but have now moved on to other teams, as they want to be seen to support a 'winning team'.
03 May 2012 09:16:14
Reading alot of posts slating Dalglish. On the whole his/our new signings have been a disappointment, and our league campaign nothing short of a disaster. He has spent £110m, but lets not forget that £75m of that has gone on players that he has had to replace. Alot of the players brought in are young and WILL improve. The teams that we are trying to catch have also all spent big and they are spending to only improve their squad, they were not replacing players.
We are all once again pinning our hopes on a top 4 finish next season, but I think it willl be just as tough, if not tougher next season regardless of who we sign, because Chelsea, City, United, and Arsenal all look like they are all about to spend as well. The days of any team being guaranteed a top 4 finish are long gone because we now have a top 6 (which we are sadly not part of at the minute).
Personally, I'd like to see KK given another season. I think we'll see a bit more of Sterling next season, and hopefully Suso can step up to the plate also. I'd like to believe that with one or two more additions (and assuming we keep hold Suarez), we will be right in the mix next season.
Ever the optimist
Tommy Walsh
2 players who won't be improving are Downing and Carroll not good enough for us too one dimensional.
Cash them in for circa £27 mill and spend the money wisely.
Agree on all the other points. Suarez,Henderson,Adam and Enrique are all pretty good buys who will only get better.
kidmillions
03 May 2012 09:04:51
Chelsea's result last night will hopefully be to Liverpool's advantage. It is almost certain that that club's only chance of being in the Champions' League is to actually win the trophy. They are certain to be in the Europa League so will have one eye on the Cup with Big Ears (thus another Mickey Mouse cup). Whatever the outcome I think that we are going to see a completely different Liverpool side next season and that we have a lot to look forward to.
Dutchmal
03 May 2012 08:52:49
Why all the furore over Sterling? He's proved nohing yet, all he has is word-of-mouth reputation.
I heard from a relative who had spoken to a youth team coach who's name will remain anonymous (although sounds boggy), and his assessment was, " not good enough".
I understand players need their chance but I see nothing more than a SWP. And he's never set the world alight.
Plus, re: transfers. We will not be spending huge amounts as FSG will be forcing the club to live within its means. They will want us to work like Everton do, or Newcastle. Unearthing good young players with sell-on value.
If we can get 6 hungry players at a net spend of around 30mil then that will be good business.
Oh. Finally. Andy Carroll will never be a player. Enough is enough. He's had enough chances. We can all see he's awful. Why dream that will change over night?
Sterling has been one of the standout players in the youth set up, and if he doesn't get a chance he will leave and make it elswhere possibly spurs. he has been kept out of the first team by players who have been cosistantly BAD all season. henderson, kuyt, downing.
All this when we have been crying out for a diffrent type of goal threat/creativity..thats why all the furore....
I think Sterling needs time on the youth side. He seems to have pace in his game, aggression in his mind but no creativity at the senior stage.
I completely supprot KKs approach of smoothing him into the senior team with these cameos where he can look back at his performance and try develop it at the youth games. Then he can suitably bring that learning into the senior side.
Sterling needs to wait yet.
mgz
First of all sterling has been the standout player for us at reserve level, he plays with skill, speed and is never afraid to take people on, he's not the complete player yet but at 17 he will grow into a monster.
With regards to your comments on FSG if they wanted to run a club in a everton fashion, they would have bought everton. Buying Liverpool comes with certain demands which includes big money spent on big players to reach the champions league and challenge the title. The history, size and stature of the club demands it, failure to do so means a massive backlash from the fans and media.... ala Hodgson, previous yanks. Kenny in charge and cup success is only reasons why club is still relatively stable atm.
As for big andy, he will be the perfect 3rd striker, we are stuck with him now so might as well encourage and support him, he's starting to deliver, but everyone needs to except he will never match his price tag.
Dont u dare compare swp to sterling.. sterling already a better player, and dont you remember gerrard and owen coming in to the team as youths? its the first time really i seen us bring a player like that in the 1st team since them that would make a big impression
03 May 2012 08:52:28
I would rather have a league 2 manager then kenny. They have better win percentages and he has turned us in to such a rubbish club west brom have a better home record. The sad fact is he really thinks we have moved forward well he should have been sacked by now. Cups are a bonus league is our bread and butter what we work for all year.He has broken transfer records and the mickey mouse cup aint enough. The FA cup will still never make up for the money he spent and out league standing.FSG demand CL football and he has us fighting for 8th place.He is just as deluded as some of the fans on this site. He needs to f off in the summer and take he's crap signings with him.
Do you actually watch the games. We have played good football in most.
Lucas injury,Suarez ban, Gerrard,s fitness,
Carra coming to the end of his career have all had more of an impact on our league form? Where you need a settled side. As opposed to cup form where we've been able to rise above adversity and manage to put the ball in the net on the day.
kidmillions
Come back in a year with the same post and see what sort of reception you get
03 May 2012 08:29:22
No I think you (ED001) are wrong...and I think Kenny was trying just a bit too hard to take our eyes off the league table. EVERYONE wants to win the league -yes
a good cup run - and even better - a win - is excellent but that is an added bonus to what really matters - the
title.
Some will now come on and say 'we are never going to win it because because because' So we're beaten before the season starts? A true test of a team's ability is it's success over 38 games NOT half a dozen cup games - some of which are against lower division teams which SHOULD be plain sailing.
Cups=very nice
Leage=what matters
Puzzled
Im sure I read somewhere that its our worst home points tally since 1950 and we are still 4 home goals away from equalling our previous worst home goals record which was something like 1908. this season is anything but successful and heads should roll in the summer.
Steve
Kenny is a joke. we are 10 points away from a relegation battle he must be sacked. F the cups
It's so funny, that whatever Kenny seems to say these days,he gets ridiculed by the press.Two cup finals in one season is a great achievement for a manager out of the game for a long time.Kenny knows that cup finals is what the fans want.I would love us to have made the top 4,but for the last few yrs we have had the taunts that you haven't won a trophy for 6yrs. When we finished 2nd in the league,we got no one remembers 2nd. When we won the champions league,we got you didn't finish in the top 4.I know that every football fan who watches the final on Saturday, will be wishing that it was their team playing.Kenny has every right to say that it should still be about winning trophies.Our history is all about winning trophies.The league form since the Arsenal home game hasn't been good enough,but no one can take away the trophy we have won, or the feeling it gives fans.I have said all season I will take the trophies any day, before champions league places.I know how the champions league is important we have won it five times.We have got rid of the you haven't won a trophy for six yrs ball around our neck,thanks for that Kenny.Next yr we want to be challenging for the league.I know how important the money is to the club and I am sad we couldn't make it this season. I will be there on Saturday, as always Cheering the lads on. Come on you reds!!
Jiminy Cricket
Wasn't it Bill Shankly who said that the league was the bread and butter and anything else was a bonus? Shanks was right, a true indicator of how good a club is is its league position.
Agree with Jiminy Cricket, Confidence is a big thing in football. 2 cups will do for me.
A Confident flying start to next Season with everyone fit. Instead playing catch up and without all the problems of this season.
kidmillions
We are undefeated in all cup games this season.. says something right ? f the league
03 May 2012 08:29:00
first time posting for me,i have no inside info this is just my opinion,tbh we have been quite unlucky misfiring strikers etc,i would give kenny another season,reina looks like he dont want to be there time to go,skrtel imo has always been rubbish not good enough,and carrol def time to go,too slow,no control,sell even for a big loss,its pretty bad when lucas has become liverpools best player,downing has alot of stick,but he cant get assists if forwards dont score,so i think we need cd,cm,cf,i would play johnson on the right wing because he aint no defender for sure,but if hes sold play gerrard there.oh henderson should go aswell
Well you clearly have not much idea what your talking about. Skrtel has clearly been our best and most consistent player this season.
Steve
Do you watch the games.....
Skrtel has been immense this season, has missed only a couple of games, been a rock at the back, pitched in with some useful goals.
Sometimes teams are better of without fans like you.
Intrinsically our club are not going to compete for the title until our revenue streams are increased and the squad can be consistently improved. This can be done by qualifying annually for the champions league or by extra revenue generated from an increased stadium capacity.
Long live the lion king
Oh dear...
I know people love Skrtel cos he's double hard and gives his all...but he's not quite the player he's made out to be. Whilst i wouldn't sell him, i think he's only our second best CB. He can be quite reckless and tends to dive in unneccessarily too often. I always feel when he's one on one in the box we're likely to give away a penalty. Agger is a far better player with and without the ball IMO.
Red Pete II
Which cheeky ed keeps editing my sign off to long live 'the lion' king. I thought I was going mad when I read a few posts back! I bet its ed 002.....
Top work all round.
Long live the King (kenny) {Ed023's Note - It isn't me lol}
Red Pete no one doubts Agger is better. But Skrtel plays practically every match and is consistently good. Agger is great but only plays half a season.
Long live the king
True. so maybe we need a quality new CB. Either that or start giving Coates some regular action.
Red Pete II
Skyrtel is more likely to score from a corner or free kick than Carroll
03 May 2012 08:23:46
Perspective
I think there's only one team in the league that can play there second squad against another premier team and expect to win and that's city. Look at mancs Chelsea last night, so wind your necks in.., yes unsatisfactory league position, 2-3 signings and room for the kids to come through, a bit of dead wood let go and we will be alright.
Carroll dominating defences, good times here we come, it would be great to go wembley 3 times and win a cup for a change, we haven't done that for.., oh we have..
Perspective
Pistol Pete
Carroll hasnt dominated any defence this season yet! winning a few headers isnt dominating defences Pistol Pete.
steve
So far our season has been saved by beating a Championship side on penalties.
Let's not start crowing just yet.
03 May 2012 08:23:42
Ed's I looked up the earning's for a FA Cup Win and a League Cup Win and it is fairly paltry. Do most of the earnings come from ticket sales to those matches? It looked like the winner of the FA Cup would receive around 5 - 6 million in total earnings through the whole competition and around 3 million for the league cup win. If the 12 million sale of Morales?SP? is used in conjunction with the FA Cup and League Cup money that would give LFC around 20 million without the owners coughing up cash. Is this correct?
So hypothetically if the owners throw 20 million on top of it we should have 40 million to spend not counting any possible sales. Would you disagree with this? Thanks for any clarification you can give.
{Ed002's Note - The money earned is income for the club - there is nothing to say it will be spent on transfers.}
03 May 2012 07:52:55
We havnt strung together more that 2 league wins all season, actuall perthetic
Thanks for dropping by...
dd
03 May 2012 07:15:32
why is it that all you ever read on here is utter bullsh*t about what players we are going to get. face facts none of you know. IF and i will say IF kenny steps down at the end of the season but for some reason i just cant see it.( as i dont always think getting rid of the manger is the right thing to do and to be fair to kenny we have not played bad football but just cant put it in the net.) but IF he go,s whoever comes in is going to go for his own type of players that suits his type of play. so why say lfc have agreed a fee for this player and that player when we dont even know what is going to happen at the end of the season. it just go,s to show that some of you cant know anything about football as you never talk about football. all you talk about is utter bullsh*t. get behide the team and the club it will come good in the end.
03 May 2012 05:02:04
Four Players Liverpool Should Sell and Their Replacements
1.Carragher/K.Papadopoulos
2.Charlie Adam/Elm
3.Kuyt/Giroud
4.Maxi/Susaeta
We must also sell : Doni,Aurelio,Spearing,Aquilani,Cole
Academy's players who will play in 1st squad:Kelly,Coady,Suso,Sterling
I'd hardly call Kelly an academy player now when he's made nearly 40 appearances for the first team....
03 May 2012 04:08:32
Tottenham will lose a lot of quality if they don't qualify for CL, that aside I think one of the more disturbing issues is that the teams above us are only going to improve, or at least maintain their output. Unless our squad improves dramatically, which is looking more and more unlikely given the Fulham result, If we don't spend big I can see another season of mediocracy looming, thoughts ?
Umm, my thoughts? Well, this is the kind of dumb, ignorant post typical of someone who knows little about football. Lfc were close to administration not so long ago... yet your suggestion is Lfc go out & 'spend big '!? Have a little patience, we are not bankrolled by oil barons or royal families, getting the show back on the road again will take a little time.
Not true, our squad needs improving in a few select areas not a wholesale change. Evolution not revolution.
We have played well against the big teams and have generally had favourable results against them. We need to be more consistent against the mid to low teams in the table and this is down to the players to adapt and think how they can win against teams set up to stop them playing.
Support the team and be realistic.
long live the king
I think our spending over the last 18 months counts as "big". If Rafa had been given this money, we would have had the likes of Villa, Silva, and Raul in Liverpool red.
And I don't believe the owners are as patient as you appear to be. Ask Comolli.
"Close to administration"? So were Newcastle a couple of years ago. Where are they now?
Yeah they were a couple of years ago, got relegated and then came back up. We were last year, didnt get relegated and are trying to rebuild whilst still challenging in certain areas. We're fairing far better than they did mate.
KiwiRed
We had the chance to sign D.Villa an D.Silva for 9-12 mill when Rafa was at the club but he decided against it!
Skurks
"Close to administration"? So were Newcastle a couple of years ago. Where are they now?
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They may well be above us at present but they still didn't go out & 'spend big' as the original poster wants us to do.
03 May 2012 02:54:49
I see that FSG are wielding "the big stick", with 2 more LFC execs being fired, bringing the number to 4 in recent weeks.
Can't say this wasn't coming.
Will be interesting to see who could go next (staff or players)!.
I suppose if I had seen £80m of my money pissed in the wind on top of everything else I would be livid my business has suffered.
Like Macca as said lots of changes coming in the summer.
Lee73
03 May 2012 02:07:44
Football is very 2 sided now, owners and fans. The fans would love to win the league, the FA Cup is the best competition to win for the fans and the Carling, Worthington, Milk, League, Rumbelows Cup is also special for the fans. However owners are more interested in a top 4 finish, because of the money. People should remember that the European Cup was only for domestic League winners, not 2nd 3rd or 4th, the rest including cup winners played in the UEFA Cup, which was fantastic.As Bob Paisley said, the hardest thing about winning the European Cup is winning your own league.. So this season for example say United finish 2nd, we win the Carling Cup, god forbid Chavski win on sat, Arsenal finish 3rd and Spurs 4th, Chelsea lose the champions league final--the fans will say its a successful season for us and the Chavs--the owners of Spurs Arsenal and Utd will argue they have had a more successful year, so who is right?.....Fans love the trophies, owners love the top 4, no happy mediums?
Yip!
Football is no longer a game for the purists, its all about money, money, money.
I am happy with LFC winning trophies no matter what they are, but then again I didn't spend millions on an investment.
And like any investment it needs to show a real 'return".
Top four will give us a chance to win another trophy (the CL). More money can mean quality players being bought. This can lead to a better squad, better performance in the league and dare I say it, a league title.
Top four isn't just about the money mate, and I think our owners see that. I am not naive to think that money isnt important to owners, of course it is. But I dont think it is the sole interest of FSG.
If they cant do with LFC, something similar to what they did with Boston Red Sox, and turn the club around to be a contender and winner for that elusive prize, they will consider their time here a failure - regardless of what money they make along the way.
LIVERPRES
I would switch 2 titles (if we win the FA cup) for 4th place. If we got 4th place we Champions League and then we can attract better players. Better players = more titles.
Danieldenmark
A club like liverpool its all aboout winning trophys if you take 10 years our fans have enjoyed more winning trophys then any other club except united
03 May 2012 01:20:33
Just wondering peoples thoughts on Adam Lallana from Southampton? He is young enough and English, got in the championship team of the year. One of my mates raves about him a lot but also every other Southampton player...so just wondering if he is good
Ska-oop
I've watched a lot of Championship football this term, he's a good young player, wouldn't get into United/City/Chelsea/Spurs teams but could get very good quite soon
Red Ollie
Thanks for the Info Red Ollie
Ska-oop
03 May 2012 00:44:35
I have been a LFC supporter since the Charlie George Final , 1971? We had a great young team then.
This period of our history is an all time low for me. I knew Fulham would beat us. We have not enough depth in the squad to play a second team. Our record at home is a real disgrace. I see no consistency , no real penetration , inconsistent application and energy. We have played some good stuff at times but no real cutting edge, no real threat
Kenny is a legend as a player but lets face it he was poor manager at Newcastle and at Celtic and who would be knocking at his door if we let him go.
He is not Mr Liverpool FC,we did have a history before he came. He has bought badly and will be living with the consquences for at least another two seasons. FSG must act now or become a mid table team for the forseeable future
And why not, our support is piss poor at times, when you compare it to Athletic Bilbao or even Portsmouth. We revel in living in the past and are more factionalised than the People's Liberation front of Judea.
Please give us a bit of pace , somebody with a bit of devilment in midfield and a reliable partner to Martin who knows? I really hope to God we sort it out we need real support and players who can deliver whatever their nationality. Lets not become another heritage club
Been a fan for that long and still haven't got a clue {Ed003's Note - Wouldn't it be nicer to have a debate with someone who has watched his team for a lot of years rather than throw an immature flippant snidy comment in?}
Thank you Ed003.
I have almost reached the stage where it is more entertaining to read the Man Utd page for their footballing discussions rather than our page where it is 90% slating of each other.
Its depressing.
The Judean People's Liberation Front!
Red Ollie
I have been a LFC supporter since the Charlie George Final , 1971? We had a great young team then.
BEEN A FAN - since Doug Rudham was in goal and I agree with everything you say - take no notice of the D*c*s that say you are clueless they are the shallow one's - yes this site is split - yes it does appear that we are slagging each other off - it's called free speech - pretty soon it will be banned - so enjoy it while you can -
03 May 2012 00:26:49
Anybody else think the whole British player signing plan clearly did not work?
I love LFC don't get me wrong but I find it so boring having to watch some of our new signings play. Man City have sparks like David Silva to get the fans going, Chelsea have the likes of Juan Mata to give them something and pretty much every other team above us. But we have the likes of Downing and for some reason Henderson on the wings and Spearing in the middle and there are others but it just seems so boring there is no spark and I think the only player to give Liverpool fans that extra something is Luis Suarez, apart from that who else do people really look forward to having on the ball?
I would love to see a reliable German in the squad or a skillful Spanish player or any foreign players, I really think it would give us something more to look forward to and would liven the team up. No doubt someone will snap up Hazard in the summer to bolster their squad and we'll be pushed further down the line no doubt. I miss Anfield being a battering ground for most teams but now they probably look forward to coming to us for a few cheeky points. It feels like we've sacrificed our season for cup games which is great that we're in another final with another chance to win but it cant be used to cover the cracks in the league as its just embarrassing, beaten by teams like Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, QPR, West Brom cannot be right. If it wasnt ok for Roy's results and he got the chop then why is it ok for Kenny to do just as bad or it looks even worse and not get the chop?
Enrique I thought has been pretty solid most of the season. Downing seems awful and I swear we paid more for him than Man United did for Ashley Young how is that right? Andy Caroll cost £35 million, Sergio Aguero cost Man City £35 million............ Used to love Charlie Adam at Blackpool his screamers of free kicks and his leadership there but with us he seems nothing like that, id love to see him smashing free kicks in and bossing the midfield but he acts like he doesnt want to wrong do anyone else so backs down, and he has to be the worlds safest bet of getting a yellow card a game. I think Henderson's time will come when he will shine.
Something just isnt right about LFC and I think they got their plan wrong. I'd love to eat my own words and be proved wrong but I cant be the only one who now gets nervous when we come to play teams like Wolves at home.
Thats just my opinion im no football genious and im sure not everyone agrees at all so no need to have a dig if so. (this probably wont even get posted anyway)
hope the cup form keeps up and we get a win Saturday!
Heskey's diary
RS
Great post RS
Phooey
So, let me get this straight.....
We don't have a Silva or a Mata to "get us going". Yet most observers think that most of the football this year has been the most dominating and good -to-watch in years. Therefore, as per the "Liverpool way", the emphasis has been on the team not some so-called hot-shot who blows hot or cold (depending on the opposition or on the subs bench or not).
Support your team, stop looking for mega-bucks signings like Rush, McDermott, Heighway, Fowler, Callaghan, Clemence, Neal, Aldridge, Gerrard, Reina..... you know what I mean!
Mrpjd
P.s.
seems like someone has posted something similar just below. Not just me, then?
Mrpjd
Like I said im no football genious just giving my opinion, and I also no need to have a dig if you disagree, I do back the team week in week out and again like I said I want to be proved wrong!!!
I wasn't aware there was a buy British plan>>? Said who?
03 May 2012 00:21:24
Hey Macca,
Thought you would probably know whom Kenny was watching the other night at the toulouse - montpellier game?
Would appreciate every answer.
Thanks mate
At the very least he was watching four players we are interested in - Sissoko of Toulouse and Giroud, Belhanda of Montpellier and their captain who I think is a defender?
Mapou Yanga-MBiwa
AG
03 May 2012 00:02:23
Does anybody know of any pre arranged meeting places for Liverpool fans before the final? Went to carling cup and only seen little pockets of fans around London until we got to Wembley. We found a good little bar at the semi but that was right by Wembley way! We would like to go around London first, thanks!
Any big pubs near Baker Street tube stop (Bakerloo, Jubilee, Metropolitan lines to Wembley). Try The Globe opposite the station.
Golden Egg Kilburn
03 May 2012 00:37:12
I am absolutely confident that there is talent in the lower leagues of UK / World football. In the UK this has been highlighted by Swansea & Norwich this season and I am certain that Southampton & Reading will replicate this next season. It is just not realistic to expect the premiership clubs to have mopped up all the UK talent. Why are we not taking a 1m to 5m gamble on the likes of Jordan Rhodes, Ricky Lambert, Burke & Redmond (Birmingham). Or even from abroad, remember Ian Rush £300,000 from Chester, Sami Hyypia £2.6m, Ole Gunnar Solskjær £1.5M to name but a few. Look at Newcastle and their bargain buys over the last few seasons. Come on LFC get your scouts chomping at the bit to deliver these signings. I have a job in IT very low paid compared to the football industry but I could have recomended Silva, Mata, Yaya Toure, Aguero, Villa. I mean in the last few years, it isn't rocket science is it? Look at a league / look at it's consistent or flair players over a 2 to 3 year period. Young or old this is the talent that you need to sign. Simples JGJ666
Charlie Adam and Andy Carroll both did well in the Championship, Adam and Carroll also did well in the Premiership, until they moved clubs and came to Anfield and found things hard.
Pilkington, Long and Allen are just a few names that have done well coming up from the Championship last season.
Adel Taarbat however, has struggled whilst he was a man on fire last season, got all the accolades and critics praise, scored loads of goals and made a fair few, only to be pretty unproductive and a former shade of himself last season.
"I could have recomended Silva, Mata, Yaya Toure, Aguero, Villa... simples JGJ666"
You're too naive - anyone can mouth off big names but these big names are only going to sign for LFC if we match their salary expectations. We are not run by oil barons, nor do we need them. Our club is run by sensible people and have a wage structure; bankrupting ourselves just to pay their salary aint the way forward.
'Why are we not taking a gamble on (young talent)?' what do you think the club has been working on? Buying young talent! Ibe, Sterling, Teixeira...
Only valid point you made is 'consistent players over a 2 to 3 year period' so give this team at least another season. Singred
I said something similar a few days ago. I said it is madness to spend 35 million on one player, when you have no idea how it will turn out, and that you should spread the money over several players.
In Hollywood, where studios have absolutely no idea which movies will make money (hence they churn out sequels endlessly), the studios spread their money over many movies. They expect most movies to lose money, but one big hit movie covers all the losses.
LFC should adopt this portfolio approach. Mop up prospects from the lower leagues. One of them will come good.
The OP's point is that the scouts are not doing a good job - not that we should sign big names on big salaries. Everybody knows we do not do that.
02 May 2012 23:44:28
Hi eds. I have seen in an article that Aquilani would be happy to play for Liverpool as long as he will been seen as an important member of the squad. I also recall that Commolli said that we have a player in his position in Gerrard. With the year Captain Fantastic is having and his injurypoblems. Do you think there is a chance for Aqulini to play for Liverpool next year? I cant see why Liverpool would sell him for as little as 7 million euros. In todays market a Italian international with his ability is clearly worth more? And I think his creativity and eye for goal is something we have been missing all year? {Ed001's Note - he doesn't want to be here, he can't even be bothered to train, he is fat and lazy. How is he worth 7m?}
Oh everyone is fat and lazy in your eyes
He's not going to say in public I don't wan to play for the team who pay my wages and I have a contract with is he
Should never believe what he says
His eyes are far to close together
Lyndon
Just wish we could get rid of him, it makes me angry just thinking about his pending return, a player who does not want to be at lFC.
What a waste of money by Rafa.