Liverpool Banter Archive November 03 2012

 

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03 Nov 2012 22:55:36
eds, dont know how much br has to spend in jan, but im telling u now anything less than 40 mill for three players is a joke and taking the piss m8. we are in need of a striker (young with a sell on value) my choice would be damiao,,,25mil. maybe even di santo. then ur looking on spending ur remaining 15mil on a defender and midfielder/winger/wide man. which isn't much at all, but is well and truly needed.


cheggerbalofski


Erikson and Walcott being targeted.


04 Nov 2012 00:27:34
All up for Erikson, but I thought our priority area was attacking players? I think many of us put Erikson out our heads as its highly unlikely. Still, wouldn't complain at

Johnno Agger Skrtel Wisdom

Lucas. Allen/Sahin

Erikson

Sterling. Suarez
Walcott


Apologies if this doesn't make sense, nightmare doing it on my phone :-/


 

 

03 Nov 2012 22:54:07
Eds, Have you heard anything on the following. Rumours going about that FSG are willing to release substantial funds to Rodgers this January but it will eat out of his Summer budget? Eriksen, Huntelaar and Walcott thought to be the main targets? {Ed002's Note - No.}


No to huntellar.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 22:41:38
Ed02 is Brendan Rodgers in favour of a director of football now after the fiasco of the the last window.And if he is in favour and we get one in will that make sure things run a lot smoother in further transfer windows.cheers MATTYLFC {Ed002's Note - I don't know if he is or not, but as I said, I think some help would not go amiss.}


04 Nov 2012 00:08:09
Rafael Benitez for DoF.

- Something Red -


You would be better off with a plank of wood than Rafa.

Melbourne CFC


With the current set-up at Anfield Benitez will never manage LFC again, and by extension become DoF.

Do you support LFC or Rafa?

Rafa had his chance and blew it, and before all the Rafa apologists get on their high horses Barry for Alonso, Aquilani, Dosenna, I could go on but you know the rest by now.

Please move on, looking backward gave us Dalglish.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 22:28:33
just for all us fans that were not happy about carroll leaving to west ham, I watched the mancity v westham game and he was really not good completely lost his touch and nothing to offer. did any of the eds watch it ed001 ,ed002 ed052.....?
hisbylfc {Ed002's Note - I didn't.}


What touch?


 

 

03 Nov 2012 21:48:30
lots of teams near the top have dropped points so far this weekend. lets close the gap


03 Nov 2012 23:25:00
Just laughing at the person who disagreed with this! "no, let's not close the gap, I want to trail our rivals!" haha!

Can't wait for the match tomorrow, 3 points would be lovely


 

 

03 Nov 2012 21:26:13
I've not been on here for a few months but i have been a constant poster for several years. Therefore i do not need to justify my thoughts but i always explain them.

I totally respect every fan's opinion, whether they agree with me or not. I refuse to bad mouth other's opinions but will take issue with the reasoning and likewise i expect the same from others towards my thoughts.

Naturally i am unhappy, frustrated and downright fed up with the situation at the club. It is not a position i wish to be in nor take any pleasure from.

I will resist the mocking that some people suggest i am not a supporter or a fan of my club. I have been nothing but positive for nigh on 20 odd years, the 20 before that i didnt need to be anything but. Growing up watching Liverpool since the early 70's. i grew up with success week in, week out so adjusting over the years has been difficult.

I feel that i've reached my limit. I've stomached the Souness era, watched the high's and then the predictable low's of Evans. I watched in March 1999 away at Charlton whereby Houllier took us close to Souness quality, then sat in the Kop watching Leicester beat us 2-0 the same night United beat Juve in the semi finals of the CL. Then hopes were raised for several years and then crashing back down to earth. Rafa arrived with crap league football but that CL trophy against all odds, again hopes were raised higher than before and now they've crashed lower than before with standards off the field sticking the knife in.

Fans from my era have gone through the mill and perhaps need some sort of epiphany to resurrect their faith. I'm being honest, my positivity has gone, I'm being asked to follow something i do not believe is there.

I salute everyone who says support the manager, give him time, support the club. But in doing so you cannot expect everyone to think as you do.

I hope everyone says 'I told you so' It would give me great pleasure to have those words rammed down my throat. But I refuse to get all up and excited nowadays. Call me grumpy, call me what you will but do not say i am not a supporter of this club.

Some of us cannot just follow blindly, some of us are further down the path than others.

Bob the Red


The problem is Bob, that you say "some of us cannot follow blindly", but that was the same argument I gave when I believed Kenny was not the right man for the job.

But yet, after just 9 league games with a very, very thin squad and a fraction of the budget Kenny was given, those same people are now calling for BR's head!

It's the sheer hypocrisy that I can't stand. Even yourself Bob, wanted Kenny to be given more time.

Please tell me, why should one man be given 9 league games and £26m, but be fired and the other almost 60 with £116m and be given more time?

Ash


Keep walking on my friend with hope in your heart. were very lucky to have witnessed our teams past glorys, most clubs can only dream of what we have achieved. But it was our support of our club and hard work that got us there. I believe with the right support and the you'll never walk alone spirit it will come back I know its hard but what else can we do but be positive we are Liverpool FC winning is in our DNA.

gee man


I have supported Liverpool FC for 35 years and will continue to support them if we ended up in the Conference League. Same era as you, different attitude. There are plenty of other teams out there if you are all out of faith, belief and support in the current side, Bob. Maybe it's time for lawn bowls?

cozinoz


For the first time ever, I fully agree with you, Ash :)

cozinoz


There's football supporters up and down the Country spending their hard earned cash supporting teams like Tranmere,Exeter,Crewe etc teams with not a hope of ever winning anything. Then there's Notts Forest,Leeds,Blackburn teams that have fallen from lofty heights but still they are supported. I


Cozinoz, I was thinking the exact same thing. I even had to re-read your earlier post to make sure!

Funny how things turn around!

Ash


Yes Ash, and you wanted Daglish out. Hipocrisy? No? Or are you just giving Rodgers until after Christmas?

The Irish Rover


Yes, I wanted Dalglish out after round about the 14 month period and 3 transfer windows and £116m spent on transfer fees. Not 9 league games and £26m!!

Or can you not tell the difference?

Ash


5 months in temporary charge Ash were he pulled us from the disaster of Roy to nearly a CL spot? Only a fool would have called for his head. 3 Transfer windows? 1 in which no one was purchased. Three Pl league defeats before Christmas (i think) and you were one of the most vocal after Christmas when it started going pear shaped. Also i have never called for Rodgers to go (unlike you with KK). I am stating that he has not set the world alight and with the players he assumed would get better results than Kenny. You do realise even if Liverpool win today they are 5 points behind on last years total?

The Irish Rover


 

 

03 Nov 2012 21:24:29
To Ed002, it's amazing how much crap you have to put up with and this Liverpool fan appreciates your views. I believe that you're right the owners did not expect a rebuilding year, nor should they considering the spending and the stature of the club. My concern though was the writing was on the wall that BR wanted/needed a massive rebuild. The 15 mil for Allen is what gave me that impression, I'm not slating Allen as I am a fan of the lad. My point is that BR felt the squad was in such a state that the need to bring in Allen was so high. If the squad was really in such a state, that seems to imply an extensive rebuild likely not to be fixed in one transfer window.


I love you too Ed002 - 9 out of 10 times I agree with you and only 1 out of 10 times you are wrong... ;-)


 

 

03 Nov 2012 20:56:22
Question for eds if they'd be so kind,

I remember reading that our deal with standard chartered is significantly better if we are in champs league. Can you tell me if that is the case? and if so by how much?

Just curious really.

Thanks eds

Nevada {Ed002's Note - £5M a season.}


The average wage of every manutd/chelsea player annually .our competitors.
thats the difference nevada


 

 

03 Nov 2012 20:55:16
Ed how are we running at such a massive lose was it because of the other 2 persons running us in to the ground or lack of CL and do u no if are revenue has increased now so the owners wont have to keep balancing the books thanks {Ed002's Note - The sponsorship from Warrior adds about £12M. Reduction in wages from Degen, El Zhar, Aquilani et al will be beneficial. But the lack of Champions League income is a significant hit. Expect a loss again this season but less than each of the past two years.}
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Mate our financial is not bad as some eds say here especially ed2.

Liverpool Report Near £50 Million Loses


Liverpool have announced loses of almost £50 million for the past year, citing failed plans for a new stadium and pay-outs to former boss Roy Hodgson and his outed staff as the major cause.

More then £40 million of the loss comes from the ill-fated HKS-designed Stanley Park project that was the brainchild of former owns Tom Hicks and George Gillet.

A further £8.4 million was contributed to contract determinations of Hodgson and his staff, along with former managing director Christian Purslow.

New managing director Ian Ayre said the accounts were in good shape and the "extraordinary" expenditure of the past year won't need to be repeated.

He is quoted in the Liverpool Echo;

"I guess people will focus on the loss of £49.4m and there's no business - or people running any business - who are going to be pleased with any loss,".

"We have written off a huge amount on the stadium project. A big chunk of that £50m loss relates to the HKS project - which is now defunct - and associated costs around that."

Fenway Sports Group scrapped the ambitious steel and glass design for a new ground at Stanley Park as soon as they took over the club but have still had to pay out legal, planning and design fees and other associated costs.

"With new ownership that was kind of milling around within the club's accounts and there was a very definite need to move that out," said Ayre.

"It is a huge loss but that goes with a lot of other things that nobody was really happy with in that period.

"So rather than dwell on it, we've very smartly made the decision to remove it from the club's accounts.

"It is a big write-off but it means that it's gone forever now and we can move forward now without that around our neck.

"And it also means that we are in pretty good shape in being a sustainable business. It's a positive step forward."


The future is bright, insists Ayre, as the figures do not include the recent kit deal signed with US sports company American Sports, which will bring in £25 million a year and the fact that Liverpool will be competing in the Europa League again next season.


"We have reduced interest charges from £18m to about £3m. That puts us in a much stronger position to utilise our revenues more effectively on the team.

{Ed002's Note - I said there were £50M losses and you say I am wrong and then copy and paste an article saying there were £50M losses. The Warrior deal brings in an additional £12M because it replaces the Adidas deal. Hopeless.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 20:52:16
Stevie Nicol reckons Liverpool should stay away from Theo Walcott and buy a recognised out and out striker instead. I would agree wholeheartedly. How do others feel about it?


He irks me. But I agree

GuvTOB


I wouldn't be taking advice from Steve Nicol.


Ideally we've got money for both, but that would require Joe Cole to leave I imagine.

Personally I think it would be a mistake letting Walcott go somewhere else. He really could shine in our team.

Papa G


Think theo would click for us,just a feeling wouldn't mind holtby either,great work eds as well & thanks for the work
Paisley's genius


I would take theo but not first choice striker ,I would also test Chelsea for a loan on Torres till end of season ,but if we are going to gamble in the January market for a top striker I would go for lorentte


We would be lucky to get Walcott and play him as a striker and play Sterling and Suarez on the wing.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 20:31:01
Ok, on a lighter note. Arsensl beat, Everton, Spurs, Chelsea and Citeh all draw. Surely we have to take the opportunity to close the gap a little. We should have done it last week when we were 2-0 up, we need 3 points this week. No excuses!

The Irish Rover


Agreed there Irish Rover, lets not waste this opportunity.

Nevada


To be fair we should of done it last week when we score 3 and they scored 2!


Spurs were beaten also

Ciario


 

 

03 Nov 2012 20:25:34
Ed002, you say our net spend was in the top 10 worldwide, but that is not the problem. The thing is, other teams in the premier league are ahead of us in that top 10, so we need to spend the same amount as them, otherwise we wont finish in the top 4. Its just the way the premier league is, its the highest spending. You cant compare with clubs in other leagues.

Hounsred {Ed002's Note - Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea and Southampton spent more this summer. In 2011/12, only Manchester City and Chelsea spent more than Liverpool. So perhaps money isn't everything.}


Money is not everything,you buy the big players your youth system did not produce.
barca with their homegrown players still needed to spend.
sanchez 23mil
fabrigas 30mil
song 18mil
MARCHIRANO 20mil
adriano 9mil
villa 40mil
alba 14mil

154 mil the last 2 seasons and yes they sold ibra 40mil loss and Chygrynskiy 17mil loss.

barca play the football i have ever seen but it did cost money.
i agree with most eds on this page and have respect for them.
you need a plan but money is essential to back that plan.


36m?

How much infestment is needed?

Dublad


 

 

03 Nov 2012 20:17:48
With all the talk below about money players managers etc.

I'd like to know, who spent 35m on Carroll?
Did anyone really spend that much, was it based on Torres' fee? This answer may bury or bring kenny back to legendary status. And also help or kill BR and anyone else we may have.

It will give people an insight as to how transfers are conducted, including me!

Dublad {Ed002's Note - It was actually a little over £36M.}


Why blame Kenny for the valuation and expenditure. I think Commolli and Ayre are a lot more responsible


 

 

03 Nov 2012 19:19:56
Hi ed002! I notice today you have been saying that due to the abuse from the fans etc that they should float the club to institutional investors. If the club was in a calmer place and the stadium re vamped etc and the owners decided it was time to sell, would they still float the club? Would this be there best way of getting the most money? Only in your opinion of course. Cheers

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - It would be one route for the owners to take if they wished to sell the business. Certainly they are aware of the sort of figures that they would achieve on different stock markets - this was established back in June so there will some variance. As to whether the stadium would change the value much depends on how it is financed.}


So irrespective of the fans abuse etc the chances are that we may well be floated anyway? And in the end it comes down to how much they will be able to get?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I didn't say that, but if the owners want to move on quickly it is a viable option.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 19:12:32
i understand that the owners want champions league football but surely they realise that he needs time,our fans need 2 lower expectations too!were moving in the right direction but its gonna take time!i think we'll get stronger as the season goes on!we need to keep the faith
feehad {Ed002's Note - This is their third year of ownership. How much more time does it take? At least challenging for it would be a good thing.}


ED002, you have to ignore the 'Kenny years', he didn't exactly take the club forward...


{Ed002's Note - This is their third year of ownership. How much more time does it take? At least challenging for it would be a good thing.}
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Our beloved ed002:
I've read all your posts today about this matter, but can't figure out what do you actually think we (liverpool) are at this moment/season.
Ignore the results of this season and lets pretend we are still in August; Do you really think we have a squad capable of top 4 ?
if yes, then wow .. one of us know little about football.
If no, and considering the owners are demanding champions league -- therefore someone or some department did not deliver in having the basics of securing a squad capable of top 4? In your opionion who fault is this, who did not deliver?
Looking forward to your reply my humble sire.


Roy

{Ed002's Note - The owners were at fault for appointing Dalglish full time because the fans wanted it. Dalglish was long out of touch with the game and did not buy well at all. The owners have continued to fund Rodgers who sold himself as the saviour. Perhaps it is a job too soon for Rodgers but he is a decent coach who will do the best he can. I rather suspect that a change is coming and, like it or not, he will get some help - possibly in the form of a Director of Football or similar. The target was always Champions League football and the funding has been provided over the past couple of years to make whatever changes were necessary to the squad. I don't see too much wrong with the squad although there is clearly a need to add anotehr striker and this will be done in January. I have never said I expected Liverpool would be in the top four, but I do expect them to be challenging for the Europa League places.}


Lost massive respect for you Ed2. Logically, FSG planned to instigate a developmental model with lower wages, young coach, strong academy development and enhanced merchandising. This is the 1st season where their desired set-up is in place. Saying its been 3 years and they haven't gotten success yet makes you sound like the plastic posters.

SpudRed {Ed002's Note - All clubs are looking to reduce transfer spending and many have been working on their academy and reserve set-ups. Liverpool is well placed in that respect. They don't take several years off performing well in the Premier League whilst they do this.}


Thanks Ed002, I agree with most of what you said and thanks for the insight about the DOF .. I will disagree little regarding Kenny, I accept his buys were 100% awful (Suarez is not a Kenny signing), but Kenny's tactics were not so out of touch, we are not playing much different from how we did last year , at least we were hitting the post and kept some clean sheets) ..
Just another question, do you know what happened with Dempsey (I asked few times and never spotted an answer on here -- sorry if I missed it).

Roy {Ed002's Note - The deal for Dempsey was expected to go through - it didn't. There is no great conspiracy; no divine intervention; no last minute abduction by a purple-nippled exhaust queen.}


I agree with some of the things posted above but if we had got all 3 points last week against the bitter blue noses n win tomorrow then we would only be 2 points off 4th place....but if only it happened like that....., but we know that Newcastle will get the luck that they always get or we will get screwed by the referee.... Again


03 Nov 2012 22:06:33
Ed2 mate but Rodgers made it clear when he excepted liverpool job that he won't work under Director of football and rightly so. He should be trusted the way he wants to run liverpool after all he is our manager {Ed002's Note - Regardless, I would think there is every chance of someone coming in to help him out.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 19:02:11
Eds, I heard that we are on the verge of signing Huntelaar. Do you know whether it's true? {Ed002's Note - The transfer window is closed.}


No but kenny brought stability to the club although he did spend to much on young British players that to be fair only really had 1 good season . But he did bring stability . {Ed002's Note - On a temporary basis after Hodgson left.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:46:29
We're siting in tonight and trying to think up some new liverpool songs....What do you think of this as a new song for the kop?

"Gypsies, tramps and thieves.
Get the ball to Shelvey and he'll score with ea-se"

-to the tune of Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves by Cher


Thoughts...?

Or any other ideas for something new?

Jacqs. {Ed002's Note - I think your audience is probably too young to recall the hits of 1971.}


Teenage mutant ninja skrtel,teenage mutant ninja skrtel,when robin and fatman attack this skrtel boy dont cut em no slack
teenage mutant ninja skrtel,teenage mutant ninja skrtel, carragher taught him to be fighting teenage get a grip,cos when fatan and robin attack this skrtel boy dont cut em no slack,teenage mutant ninja skrtel teenage mutant ninja skrtel......

and so on,not really sure if it would work but just had the teenage mutant ninja turtle song in my head!Please dont slate me!

Quinner


And that should've been the rudolph song - few too many!

Adam


To the tune of Jingle bells -

Alex the red nose waiter had a very shiney nose,

and if you ever saw it, you would even say it glows,

All of the other managers used to laugh and take the piss,

And then left poor Alex to sit and do the fixture list,

Then one foggy xmas night, Alex came to say,

Scholesy with your hair so bright, Wont you ride my dolphin tonight.

Adam - hope this is allowed ha


Haha thanks for changing my lyrics ed! im sure people will still get the gist if you just change the words other and foggy ;)

Adam


I like the Shelvey one best...might start it today if he scores...


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:45:33
to all the eds.
we did not spend 120mil,FSG have spend
FSG can only judge BR after they backed him with funds,and they did not last summer.
we sold
torres 50mil
babel 8.5mil
meirelles 12mil
adam 5 mil
aqua 3mil
kuyt 1mil
ngog 4mil
konch mavinga bruna ect 3mil

86.5mil

we bought
suarez 22mil
carroll 35mil
quates 7mil
downing 20mil
henderson 16mil
borini 11.5mil
allen 15mil
enrique 7mil
asaidi3mil
yesil 1mil

137.5mil

we lost march 5 weeks before FSG bought us.have spend 50mil in 3 windows.

Werner statement on CL football does not make sence,back BR with funds or tell us we are in a building process and it will take time.
man u spend 50mil on rvp kawaga powell butner in 1 window.
so did chelsea and city their owners can have demands,werner should know better..
BR was a easy choice for FSG,van gaal de boer klopp martinez all turned the job down because they knew it would take a long time to get back with little finance.
January we will all have the answers we clearly want.
if FSG dont spend we should all be patient and once we get 4th spot in 2/3 years time we will spend.
i think FSG will never spend money from there own pocket.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has been running a £50M a year loss for the first two years the owners were at the club. That is £100M of their own money they have spend. Including fees, they funded more than £30M worth of transfers this summer. I am sick of saying it, but Liverpool were in the top ten net spending clubs world-wide. Sadly some of the fans, like you, have little or no grasp of the financial aspects of the game and cannot see that the owners have been investing in the club. The Champions League brings with it very significant income and oppoortunities for additional sponsorship etc..}


Ed how are we running at such a massive lose was it because of the other 2 persons running us in to the ground or lack of CL and do u no if are revenue has increased now so the owners wont have to keep balancing the books thanks {Ed002's Note - The sponsorship from Warrior adds about £12M. Reduction in wages from Degen, El Zhar, Aquilani et al will be beneficial. But the lack of Champions League income is a significant hit. Expect a loss again this season but less than each of the past two years.}


Ed2 A good accountant can manipulate figures to suit it's arguement. A lot of that total spend was paying off sacked staff and settling up the cost of plans for the new stadium.
I agree that FSG has invested a lot of money in our club, but being realistic if we are to stay a mid table team we will lose fan base (mostly from overseas ) which will effect shirt sales, I know shirt sales don't directly go to the club, sponsors want a return for their money, if they don't get that revenue from them will drop it's a merry go round. Winning cups and titles is the only way to increase revenue, cutting waste and dead wood like they have done also increases profitability. FSG should have known the enormous task they were taking on.I don't expect them to compete with Chelsea or City in the transfer market.top ten net spenders in the World does not paint a true picture owing to the dross we got rid of for free. I don't think FSG will own the club in 2 years time, I for one hope they are but more investment in players needs to be made.

Bobbinred {Ed002's Note - So you think that Liverpool are submitting accounts to Companies House that are untrue. A pretty serious accusation.

The revenue from Warrior is a fixed value contract unlike the Standard Chartered deal.

Like it or not, Liverpool were one of the top-ten net spenders again in this transfer window.}


I really wish we could stop referring to players as 'dead wood' its incredibly disrespectful, even if they are not quite good enough for our club its an offensive term.

Nevada


No I am not saying we are false accounting, what I am saying correct me if I am wrong but is net spend the ammount purely spend and recovered by purchase and sales of players. If this is the case then £30 m of the reported £50m loss is solely attributed to sales and purchases. Surely the net spend would be included in the overall profit and loss account
Confused
Bobbinred {Ed002's Note - Yes but you won't see this season's accounts until May 2014.}


Ed 2 Yes thanks for that I was getting confused with the net spend and the overall loss. So in effect if we sell AC for £17m and don't bring in a replcement that £17m will come off the net spend for this financial year

Nevada I'm sorry if I offended you by using the words Dead wood it's the first time I have used it. I will refer to them as surplus to requirements, and by the way I wasn't only refering toplayers

Bobbinred


I didn't mean it to sound like a criticism aimed specifically at you, it's a term used often on here. I like to believe us Liverpool fans are respectful at least, however deluded that may be. I generally enjoy your posts bobbinred

Nevada


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:36:12
My mate who is a friend of Steve Clark who has contacts with Liverpool says we are going to put a cheeky bid in for a well known Spain forward which starts with a t


Tello ?

:-)


Surely you mean SPANISH FORWARD ?


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:34:24
Is it true that when wisdom,sterling and suso have started together we've gon undefeated?

GlJosh


03 Nov 2012 19:06:46
All of Wisdom's starts have been a win or draw, so yeah.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:08:55
Win tomorrow and we move to 10th. No super impressive, but would be our highest this season, so something to shoot for.


Not super impressive but we'd be 4 points off 4th.

AsianRed


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:06:24
Just so some of you fans know that I'm just giving some of yous a headup about Irish Rover who should just be called Rover because he ain't even Irish and I'm being serious. That's what kind of deluded fool we're dealing with here. Don't disagree with him because he'll just resort to name calling like he has already to supporters today.
And Bob the Red is another one who talks out of his hole, I could write in few lines what he takes years going about in boring paragraph after boring paragraph, and I thought I was long winded. Anyway Rover keep barking, cause a dog makes as much sense as you.
JohnBoy


JohnBoy,
You are one of these persons who have no footballing opinion of your own and have to resort to name calling other posters who have been in this forum for years with intelligent posts and a different insight to most of the sheep in here.
I have disagreed with both Irish Rover and Bob many times and we have always accepted others opinion and countered by a footballing argument , I have never received inappropriate words from either of them .. unlike you ..
Good night JohnBoy, back to school soon I hope.
Roy


Goodnight JohnBoy


Born in N Ireland, lived there for 43 years! Do you want my postcode? Is that Irish enough for you? By the way, im guessing Bob isnt actually red.

The Irish Rover (i think)


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:04:15
Results in the EPL really went in our favour today (just waiting for west ham result). Really need to make it count tomo


 

 

03 Nov 2012 18:00:31
I see Ferguson is moaning about scoring more penalties. At least his team get them in the first place.


I think he's moaning about united players not being given the chance by the ref to retake penalties if they miss!


It really annoys me the way Fergie has iterfered with the Chelsea and Referee issue. Fergie states that he went all around his players and none of them heard any comment from the Referee. did he do the same in the Surez case? Chelsea are not allowed to comment during the inquiry, so why is Fergie allowed to? I believe the reason was to influence the referees, perhaps it had the desired effect today. a penalty and sending off at OT, also it may have got into the Chelsea players heads.I haven't seen the game so perhaps I'm being a bit hasty. Fergie was so addamant the Referee would not say such a thing that it may be he has some inside imformation how the case is going (Gill) and how the case will end, his is not known to make such bold statements without being proved right. Not only does it stink of influence the referee's but the FA as well. Fergie has an obsession to win at all costs, the sooner he retires and the break up of FA Utd begins the better.
Anyway thats enough of my rant we have an important game tomorrow which we must win it we take us up to tenth in the table 4 points from fourth and hopefully start to instill a bit of confidence. Come on you reds Newcastle are there for the taking

Bobbinred


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:54:56
Brief summary of what I've read here today:
N'gog was not better than Carroll. Better value but not ability.
Plenty of LFC fans have lambasted and abused John Henry and Mrs. Linda.
Bob the red and Irish Rover are 2 of the best posters on here over the years. They are both in the same corner right now with their opinions. I respect them because the construct their arguments very well and sign off on them. I don't necessarily agree with them on Brendan Rodgers but at least they wear their heart on their sleeve and you know they love LFC.
Ed02 is magnificent with the replies.
I don't care about the Fergie decisions and the bad luck of other teams against Utd. Good teams win ugly, win playing well, get lucky and teams like Utd are not my concern, but twice a year.
Like I said last night on here, it we win 2 on the trot fans will not say we're in the hunt for top 4 finish, they'll start talking about the 3rd automatic CL spot. Level the expectations please. We can grow into a CL contender with good displays and great support. The season is 25% through and we're beginning our climb. Judge Brendan after 18 league games and see where we're at then.
I watched Chelsea vs Swansea. Swans went down 0-1 and their fans kicked it up a gear to the next level of support and noise. They kept playing their type of football and hauled back an equalizer at the death. There's a lesson there to be had.
Spudz started the day in 4th, lost to Wigan and their fans turned on AVB during the game. Bitters got caught from behind by Fulham but can now boast of being in that 4th spot. As I write Nolan has had a good goal ruled out, so it doesn't just happen to us.

BTW good post Nevada


Chi-Paul


Thanks Chi-Paul always nice to receive comments.

I just try to be realistic and objective.

Nevada


It's also good to see someone with more realistic expectations. some people on here confuse their ambition with their expectation.

Nevada


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:52:56
Hi Edds, I know it has been said before but any chance of your backgrounds in relation to football and this site. Maybe a profile on each of you. No particular reason but would like to compare it to your views.

Thanks {Ed002's Note - I can't imagine for one minute imagine anyone would be interested in the backgrounds of half a dozen prepubescent schoolboys, an aged rodeo clown come gentleman adventurer and and a cage-fighter covered from head to toe in thick ginger hair.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:41:25
The problem with Brendan Rodgers...

Good day everyone, so nice to see everyone getting along on this forum (I do hope you could detect my sarcasm then). The subject for todays lengthy post is Brendan Rodgers. To start I will come right out and say that I sit firmly in the Brendan Yay camp, but I will try be objective about some things.

He is not Experienced enough
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This criticism has been fired across this forum a lot over the past few weeks, I came on today and its pretty much the topic of the day (along with Bob the Reds post). So just food for thought, what do Mancini, Mourinho, Benitez, Simeone, Villanova and Guardiola have in common? Besides trophies that is...

They were all put in charge of a respected semi/large club with little to no experience. They all did pretty well (with the exception of Mourinho who tanked a little at benfica but did pretty well after that). Experience isnt everything, some managers come with world cups (see Scolari) and leave with a tattered reputation. Sometimes someone thats been in the job a long time isnt the best fit. For us I think it was right to appoint a younger more progressive manager.

He has no plan B
-----------------------

Quite a few times this season I have found myself scratching my head at his team selections and substitutions, only to be proved wrong. The one notable exception is swansea in the cup, where for once my skepticism was right. So to say he has no plan B when he quite often mixes it up and changes things and is certainly very bold with his selections and tactics is probably a little unfair. Second half against Everton was a classic example. Here's another funny thing, some people say he has no plan b and then criticised him for bringing on gerrard and suarez when plan A failed.

His signings have been poor
------------------------------

This is semi debatable. Why only semi? Well yes not all his signings have fired on all cylinders (my opinion is Allen is the only consistent performer of his signings) but guess what? It's not even half way through the season yet and far far too early to say his signings are poor, in addition to that he has lost one of them to an injury and two more came without match fitness. Funny how people will make excuses for poor performances from players they like but not for the ones they dont. Try be objective, I think Sahin is a truly world class player and I like him but I'm not gonna make excuses for some of his poor showings because I try to be objective and view only their current form, not what they might have done 3 years ago or what I think they should be doing in 3 years time.

We were Better off with Dalglish
-------------------------------

I like Dalglish (who doesn't?) and I actually said I wouldve liked him to get another year despite very strong feelings that he had wasted a lot of money (net spend or not its still wasted if there is no return). He did have his flaws, he was very out of touch with modern media and quite often galvinated everyone against us, he made poor signings and here's one some of you will find familiar...had no plan B. We often stuck to the same formation, tactics and team selections under Dalglish (though he does deserve credit for his wonderful use of 352 in his first 6 months back at the club). He was not progressing, which after 100m spending spree you would certainly expect, and I'm not talking about winning the league and qualifying for champs league. I just mean do better than the previous year, which he didn't. You can point to the cup finals and say he did but his job was to improve on the previous years league position and hopefully qualify for champs league. He didn't deliver, I think he would have if given another year but he didnt when he had the chance.

At least give rodgers the time that Dalglish got, or at the very least the time that Hodgeson got.

------------------------------------

In closing I think that its too early to judge Rodgers, I think the signs are somewhat encouraging. With a very young team we have outplayed the premier league champions, manchester united and their refs, and taken a point from a goodison team playing well at the minute and who also had help from officials. All I want to see from Rodgers is an improvement on last years league position, all I want to see is progress. We can't see whether thats happened or not until the end of the season. Make your judgements then, it will be a bit more justified. There is no I in supporter or fan, but some people on here seem to think there is. Rodgers is already battling big spending rivals, injuries, officials and the press. Don't make him battle his own fans as well.

Thanks for reading everyone, comments appreciated as always.

Nevada


I have my reservations about BR but every one of your points is valid and I will not judge him yet.
Great post

Chris in Tamworth


All great managers start somewhere, AVB started at Porto he won them the Portugese league and the UEFA cup, and regards to signings;
Assaidi>Downing
Allen>Henderson
Borini/Yesil>Carroll
Sahin>Adam
Look at the amount of money BR has spent compared to KK. I rest my case.

AsianRed


Will you lot get it into your heads?

Neither Dalglish or Rodgers negotiates transfers. Managers don't do that these days.
Dalglish was working under a director of football and a chief exec. These are facts which cannot be disputed.
Kenny said he wanted all the players we signed- another fact.

But Kenny and Rodgers do not negotiate transfer fees OR wage demands.

Please get it right


I think BR is unproven at a high level and may have come to Liverpool a few years too early, but he's every chance of coming through if we give him a chance. And in order to please Chi-Paul I will sign this off.

'Stato'


Cheers Stato


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:41:23
Rodgers won't succeed without money. Full stop.
ReadHead {Ed002's Note - Rodgers has had money.}
____________________________________________

Ed2 mate so you think its Rodgers fault we are 11-12 and owners gave him enough money to secure champions league

{Ed002's Note - The bottom line is the manager takes responsibility for how the team performs over a sustained period.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:37:31
ok ed... just wana know how u rate walcott, ive been hearing a lot of talk about him and i know its all gossip, im not too keen on him tbh, the lad can barely start for arsenal, but theres no doubting his potencial, now i wouldnt mind having him in the team but i dnt believe hes the player thats guna answer liverpools goal problems... anyone elses opions on walcott?


I'd take him as a striker

Chris in Tamworth


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:36:01
Cant believe bitters complaining about their manager after drawing at Fulham seriously sad
Fergie says making public alleged comments about clattenberg have ruined his life pot kettle black ring a bell

TC YNWA


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:34:56
I like it, a lot more optimism on this page after the morning results came in. I was getting fed up with all the negativity.
Andrew


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:32:24
Win tomorrow boys and we go tenth 4 points off fourth. Not bad considering a couple bad ref decisions and a couple uncharacteristic mishaps by stellar players and we could easily of had 7-9 more points.
Andrew


03 Nov 2012 19:37:26
Very true, but I am concerned our bad luck with ref decisions will continue


We have got to win first, fingers crossed..kls


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:22:48
for all the fans talking about how much we have to spend or how much the owners have given the club . you all want to look at how much swansea spent on their new players and in all the ones who went to swansea was because of laudrup , pablo hernandez 6 mill , now thats what i call good buisness , but it does show there are good players out there for a cheap price if you know were to look , pablo has impressed me , he came from valencia and he scored today against chelsea , he also started the move form wich he scored from and also he was excellent against up in the cup , theres players out there lets see if brenden can find any


Thing is though, teams see liverpool coming in and raise the price, they know swansea dont have the money so they can get deals. Be very hard for us to get a bargain.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:18:32
If we beat Everton like we fairly deserved to win due to the dissallpwed goal, if it wasnt for the abysmal refereeing against man united and we got the 3 points we deserved and if we then beat newcastle 2moro we wouldve been in the top 4.

We're not far off, BR has only had 1 transfer window.

Believe.

Shak Attack


Oh my god seriously!!!
If I had 1, 12, 23, 24, 46, 49 on the lottery instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6!!

I would be a millionaire!!

Get a grip!!

Tree Blue


10 points from 9 games

BR is an ocean away

And paddling won't cross oceans


Loving it Tree Blue.

haha

Taffytel


Lol, if my Auntie had balls she would be my Uncle.....but she hasn't


There were a lot of if's last season, more this season and come the end of may I hope we don't look back and say the same thing.

GuvTOB


There were a lot of if's last season, more this season and come the end of may I hope we don't look back and say the same thing.

GuvTOB


Can't believe I just agreed with Tree Blue


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:07:02
good day for us, everton drawing, arsenal and spurs loosing, if we win tomorrow, we go 4 ponts off 4th place, above newcastle and into top half of table. also would be 4 unbeaten. step by step.

B O H


I'm praying we win tomorrow..... Would be a really good weekend for us if we do, we need things to go our way for once

Ack17


I'm praying we win tomorrow..... Would be a really good weekend for us if we do, we need things to go our way for once

Ack17


There's an echo here


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:05:24
Eds fellow reds ,tomorrow will be a good test for BR most of the big teams slipped up today so lets see if he can motovate the team enough to win .on the down side if we lose we are 7 pts off 5th this early in the season .they normally leave it til xmas to be ruled out of everything .


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:02:23
Let's be honest...

We're not great at the moment but neither is any other
team chasing 4th spot. Today, Spurs lost at home, Arsenal played badly and lost and the Toffees drew away meaning that if we win tomorrow we're only
4 points off 4th place despite a terrible first 5 games.

Although unlikely 4th place is attainable!!

YNWA


Only in the dark recesses of the mind is 4th place attainable


 

 

03 Nov 2012 17:00:23
I see a lot of people are jumping on BR's back and blaming him for having a thin squad, specifically blaming him for the likes of Bellamy, Maxi and Kuyt leaving but is it really his fault?
Craig Bellamy- He realized he only had 1 or 2 years left in his career and wanted to play them out at his boyhood club and city. (Rodgers was desperate to keep him).
Maxi Rodriguez- Went back to Argentina for family reasons another BR wanted to keep.
Dirk Kuyt- Had a £1million buy-out clause in his contract and felt he wouldn't get regular first-team action. He wasn't pushed out like some supposedly make out.
All in all the only player BR wanted to push out was Andy Carroll and for good reason how many goals has he scored for West Ham? I rest my case.

AsianRed


Would they of left if kenny stayed? Bella`s was a big fan of kenny so i doubt he would of.


Yes im pretty sure he would've left it was personal reasons i dont think Kenny would've played a part in that.

AsianRed


BR was not to blame for the Carroll mess up but what upset people was the lack of communication and professionalism within the club that allowed it to happen. They have a chance to put things right in January...


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:57:09
So, getting away from the numerous arguments on this site today, what are our predictions for tomorrow lads? I'm reckoning 2 - 2, Suarez with both, Ba and Ben Arfa scoring for Newcastle.

JFT 96

JP {Ed002's Note - There is only a slim chance that Ba will play.}


Ben arfa is some player in my opinion. Ed is there any interest in him from clubs and if so who? {Ed002's Note - Arsenal and Schalke but I don't see him moving any time soon.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:53:57
There seems to be a lot of talk about Raheem Sterling these past few days regarding his contract which i cannot find ANYWHERE, but this is how i see it. If he is homesick for london these are his options:
-Arsenal; I think even Raheem is smart enough to figure out that he would be behind both Walcott (23) and Chamberlain (19), that's not including Arshavin, now im not saying these players are more talented than him, but as far as PL experience goes Arsene would stick with his normal candidates.
-Tottenham; Again they have Lennon (25) and Bale (23), they also have their own rising star in Iago Falque, so he would be down the pecking order.
-Chelsea; Not even going to mention their attacking talent, if he wants to move thier be my guest.
-QPR?; If he wants to take a step-down for more money then he can turn out to be another who didn't live up to their potential.
If he wants to leave for more money, then let him go but command a high fee, no one is bigger than the club and if he wants to turn his back on the club and manager who gave him the chance he needed then let him. We have a similar if not better player in Jordan Ibe.

AsianRed


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:53:06
BR wants 2 players, 3 if we can sell henderson (to help fund a move for Eriksen)

Walcott: Winger/Striker - £8m
Huntelaar: Striker - £4m
Christian Eriksen: Attacking midfielder - £20m

players to go
Downing - £7m
Cole - £1.5m
Henderson - £10m

net spending £13.5m {Ed002's Note - The price for Huntelaar is a great deal more than £4M. Schalke has made it clear that they would expect his "release clause" fee to be met if he were to move in January.}


What is the release clause for Huntelaar?? {Ed002's Note - 20M euro.}


He does not want huntellar but the other two are spot on.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:45:21
Hey ed, just wondering what's your opinion of the U18 lad Jordan Lussey. He seems to have one hell of a shot on him, every U18 match i see he scores a cracker. People talk about Jonjo or Coady replicating Gerrard, in a shooting sense, but Lussey seems like a talent, not sure whether he's a local lad or not.

AsianRed {Ed002's Note - Much is expected of him. My understanding he is local.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:51:18
Swansea have been bloody brilliant this week to be fair to them. Were unlucky to get beat by City where they undoubtedly had the better chances. They played us and deserved the win. And now are playing Chelsea and have been extremely competetive, draw will be a fair result, might even nick three points! I'm just hoping this is a continuation of what BR instilled rather than Laudrups influence. I'm still on the fence about this so it maybe a combination!


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:41:26
Hi, eds. it sounds stupid, but I don't know why I'm posting it. What are the chances of agbonlahor and di Santo. Both good players, any chance we might be in for either?

Ratan {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}


03 Nov 2012 19:10:01
Neither really looks like they'll score enough goals for my liking.

- Something Red -


Sounds stupid to me

cozinoz


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:39:32
Hi eds and fellow reds,
How many ins and outs do you expect this January transfer window? {Ed002's Note - One or two players will likely arrive.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:29:58
i wish people would calm down a bit, too much is being made out of sterlings contract situation. If he doesn't sign a new deal come late december then i'll begin to worry but a lot of people here got whipped up into a frenzy about the interest/contract situations of agger, skrtel and suarez. Give the lad and liverpool a chance to agree a contract.
derryred


 

 

03 Nov 2012 16:00:05
Oh so now we want two strikers and and a leftback.WTF go half a season without?? Just doesnt add up


FSG got carried away. They kind of thought Rodgers would fix anything KK messed up with. Having the reds in Boston made them feel too relaxed. They didn't care if you ask me. And only now they start to care.
RedHead


 

 

03 Nov 2012 15:50:06
The last time I checked - our club is still under FSG ownership, so unless the anti-Rodgers brigade coughs up the money to buy the club over and appoint their own manager, we have to live with Rodgers and his team.

So, either you put up with it and support him or get shot of the club!

Singred


Rodgers won't succeed without money. Full stop.
ReadHead {Ed002's Note - Rodgers has had money.}


The anti Rodgers brigade does seem to be confined to the internet. As im sure iv been hearing fans singing his name at games!


Rodgers - the sooner he departs the better


I dislike Rodgers intensely.
I do not like the cut of his gib.
There are many fickle people here.
Love Kenny, hate Kenny.
Love Rafa, hate Rafa.
Rodgers is a ship's anchor.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 15:39:34
Just seen Wilshere get sent off. It's a conspiracy. Van Persie and Cleverly should have been sent off. And Valencia and Young. And Rooney. All the refs are in the pocket of Ferguson. The FA are a disgrace, UEFA should investigate, the police need to be involved. I'm writing to my MP


Take it your being smart apse. However Utd get all the big decisions every week


Calm down mate it was 2 yellows. Understandable but harsh descision IMO.
ReadHead


Sorry RedHead
:-)


It's seems the Mancheater Utdbcan only win when they have 13 players (ref) and the other team 10
I agree, it looks very suspicious and I cannot believe thy are getting away with it.


The post above me is perfect sense


03 Nov 2012 17:25:50
are you lot kidding? did u watch that game tday, wilshere and cleverly wer in the same boat and mike dean reffed it very fairly, the difference was fergie had the sense to take clev off and wilshere went too many tackles too far, the pen was a pen which we didnt need to win it anyway and there was no other areas ov conflict in the game apart from united scored when they wer onside but flag was raised anyway, but we got on with it but oh no, united won, the ref mustve been paid off, pfft u lot are pathetic


 

 

03 Nov 2012 15:10:54
To all Suarez knockers remember january 2011

It has been revealed that Ajax Amsterdam striker Luis Suarez has begged his manager Ronald de Boer to allow him to leave the Dutch club.

he fought for a move to liverpool when players like mata and aguero went for money hence the reason why we never made any formal approach regarding them


Suarez is a class lad


Suarez is not a class act

Suarez is petulent, self indulgent, arrogant and is a most unsavory character


 

 

03 Nov 2012 14:52:53
Who in your opinion was Kenny Dalglish's best signing? I'd go Henderson and Suarez


Steve Clarke.

Papa G


Got to be Suarez all day long. Who else is left now that is an important member of the team?

Jay


Suarez was not a Kenny signing , he was lined up weeks before Kenny took charge.
Roy


Enrique (pre-FIFA 13) ;-)

davethebutcher


Easily suarez, however i think coates takes second ahead of hendo. I would say enrique but he hasn't been great since last december.
derryred


Money included probably enrique? first half of last season anyway!


Henderson was a poor signing. We are no overloaded with mids atm so he ain't needed. 18m could have bought us a much better player than that one of that standard
Suarez all the way.
RedHead


Kenny's best signing was extending the great ones contract


Stevie G


Roy Hodgson/Comolli signed suarez.

GuvTOB


John Barnes, John Aldridge, Luis Saurez


 

 

03 Nov 2012 14:35:23
Amazing how many teams are having players sent off against Manchester United this season?
KernowRed


You can't argue about Wilshere sending off.
Arsene should've done what Fergie did with Cleverly and sub him before he got himself sent off.

Roy


Woh does wenger bring on but?
derryred


Totally agree, it was obvious Wilshire was going to get sent off when he was booked in the first 15 minutes, he was diving into every tackle.
Bad management from Wenger

Jay


Yeah you're right Roy, but I'm just saying and I bet Man City get one sent off too.
KernowRed


When Liverpool were a big club, they used to get decisions...


 

 

03 Nov 2012 14:05:13
It worries me that Werner can almost demand CL football on a budget in this day and age... If BR got sacked after this season I would be very worried for our club. {Ed002's Note - The owners have provided very significant funds to the managers to buy players. It has been made perfectly clear that CL football was and still is the target. The problem they have are fans like you.}


Wrong ed002. Its everyones fault bar the fans. Blame thr players, the owners or the several managers. Its got nothing to do with the fans that there's no CL football. We dont pick players, play formations, sell players, concede goals. We give opinions, vent our frustration rightly or wrongly but that has no effect whatsoever on the running of Liverpool.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Nobody is suggesting it is the fault of the fans that Liverpool are not in the Champions League. However many of the fans are unsupportive, delusional and fickle. They spew hate at the owners, the management and the players - they threaten the wife of John Henry. Visit these pages if Liverpool lose.}


If they wanted champions league, they shudve bought benitez, no borini no allen, jovetic, honda, victor moses wouldve been his choise, and ofcourse keeping carrol, to use him the way he used crouch, but wait a moment carrol is miles away better than crouch, so under benitez carrol wouldve been scoring and and and providing goals.


I disagree 002. Fans like me! Surely if I was saying - I refuse to support Liverpool anymore if they don't get in CL I would be a shallow supporter. I'm not¦.

My point is the thought of sacking BR if not getting 4th! That's wrong... he's inherited a squad where the big players reported 75mill spent on Downing, Carroll and Henderson has not worked “ Not BR fault - although I think Henderson will come good) - They are not making a difference.

BR has done the following¦
The money spent by BR is to replace the following players...
Adam
Bellamy
Aquilani
Carroll
Spearing
Kuyt
Maxi

We've replaced them with...
Allen
Assaidi
Borini
Sahin (loan)
Yesil
Sterling (already at the club)
The oldest of these is Sahin/Assaidi at 23!

The squad is very thin on the ground to compete in all comps and now very young, which is not a bad thing but will need some time. Then we've got Werner putting pressure for 4th or there maybe repercussion on BR. Sorry, that's wrong!
It's a rebuild season and if they want CL for sure this season then splash out the cheque book and buy a few big players with big wages and then you won't be guaranteed!

Ed002 - you should have read my original post properly. {Ed002's Note - There is no such thing as a "rebuild season". Rodgers took the job knowing what the target was.}


I think the only 'significant' funds provided were to Kenny and the owners were right to expect a better season than he delivered. However they cant expect top four this year of Rodgers when he hasn't been backed as much as kenny and as much as he needed to make us real challengers.
I think we could compete in two or three years time under Rodgers but he will need to build.
If the owners wanted champions league football this season then they needed to spend the same as City and Chelsea.
I dont personally believe that is the right way to do it, I would much rather us build steadily and rather than buy success. Not saying its right but the only immediate fixes are spending big and even then its not a guarantee.
Read before that Villa spent over £20 million this summer and look where they are.

Jay {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were in the top ten net spending clubs world-wide this summer. You will never be satisfied.}


So on not bringin benitez back theyve made the life easier 4 man u(dirti fergi) arsenal hu they r only interested in top 4(no competition), so they dont need to spend fortune and save money 2 pay their debt, despite of that liverpool ve spent more mone than arsenal, becouse they dont have a manager at wenger level(benitez miles better than him) i garanty u all the effort in buying and selling players will be in vain. even the youth team will colapse.


I'm the original poster and certainly would not support fans threatening the wife of John Henry, they should be prosecuted! I don't hate the owners, management or players - crikey it's a game! I was just stating that the owners need to be more realistic this year and not sack BR if we don't get 4th. {Ed002's Note - What makes you think they will sack Rodgers?}


He can't demand rodgers to bring cl football with the team that he has inherited.

the pure fact that they wasted their money is also not the previous managers fault its theirs for being so careless in "splashing the cash for british talent (which isn't even the in thing to do as prices are crazzzy)" all by trying to emulate city.

santa cruz
kolo toure
adebayor
for a total of £66.5m

carroll: paid 35m worth 15m
downing: paid 20m worth 12m
henderson: paid 20m worth 8m

for those three the owners paid a total of £75m for a total worth of £35m.

they paid the prices which is the maximum that we would get if they fulfilled their potential ..... can you get any dumber...!

then they want the next manager to just take that lot and bring them cl football without trusting him in the transfer market, which is even more senseless. {Ed002's Note - The owners did not select these players - Dalglish did.}


I am not denying the owners have spent money, they have always backed our managers, however if you compare their spending to our rivals for the top four then there is no comparrison.
Our major investments were Allen and Borini for around £25 million.
Chelsea buy Hazard for £32 million, Oscar for £25 milion, Moses for £10 million, Marin for £8 million and Azipillicueta for £7 million.
United sign RVP for £24 million, Kagawa for £12 million and Butner for £5 million.
City sign Rodwell for £12 million, Garcia for £16 million, Nastasich for £10 million, Maicon for £3 million and Sinclair for £8 million.
These signings have been added to an already strong squad with the likes of Mata, Torres and Ramires for Chelsea. Aguero, Tevez and Silva for City and Rooney, Valencia and Young for United.
Our squad is weak and we are starting from nothing.
How can we compete?
How can the owners possibly expect top four?

Jay {Ed002's Note - Liverpool's net spending was more than Arsenal and more than Spurs. In fact, it is on two of the 12 clubs above Liverpool at the moment who spent appreciably more net than Liverpool. A third club spent A small amount more (£5M net).}


Ed02 i do agree with you however not all of us fans are like that but i really hope that the owners keep rodgers on board even if we don't get top 4.
derryred


Ed002 I don't think your polarization of Liverpool fans is fair to be honest. You cannot make an assumption about "many"Liverpool fans based on the views of a small number of the fan base who visit this site as " delusional or fickle"

You also cannot make a judgement on the actions of a minority of persons that do stupid things like harass John Henrys wife.

I just think you've been a tad unfair there but value the work you and the other editors do as these sites always make for great reading! {Ed002's Note - Try visiting these pages after Liverpool lose. Take a glance thru the archives.}


Only that Werner has stated that "CL is critical" and the target for this season. What if they don't hit the target? {Ed002's Note - Rodgers is not working under any more pressure than any other manager and certainly is not working under threat.}


The net spending was only more than Arsenal and Spurs because they sold RVP, Song and Modric for nearly £80 million combined.

Jay {Ed002's Note - That is what net spending is. If you want gross spending then what about the £116M Dalglish pissed up the wall?}


Thats exactly my point! Read my first post on this topic! I said the owners were right to expect a top four finish when Dalglish was in charge coz they backed him enough to make us genuine contenders. It wasn't their fault he wasted the money and thats exactly why he was sacked!
Its a different story with Rodgers, he hasnt been backed financially half as much as Dalglish was so they cant expect the same target because they are not on even playing fields.
You cant give one manager £120 million and expect a top four finish then give another manager £30 million and expect the same thing.

Jay {Ed002's Note - That was not the only reason Dalglish was sacked. The spending is cumulative. It is not possible for the club to spend £120M every year. The expectation remains for CL football and that is clearly understood by Rodgers.}


Ed02 do u agree or disagree that every club has there morons?

Its not fair to tarnish every Liverpool fan with the same brush as the handful of muppets on twitter.

Shak Attack {Ed002's Note - Where have I tarnished "every Liverpool fan"?}


Give up Ed002. Some people just don't want to listen or believe the facts. The £116m Daglish wasted still irks me.

Ash


03 Nov 2012 16:35:17
Ed2 what about camolli when owners brought him to negotiate deals and he negotiated

Carroll 35m

Downing 20m

Henderson 16m

Or camolli shouldn't be mentioned and all blame should be put on kenny. As far as I know kenny chose players but camolli and board negotiated deals not kenny {Ed002's Note - I made my views on Comolli known as soon as he was appointed. Perhaps you should go back through the archive and see the abuse I got from the vegetables for that.}


I still Believe that the squad Rafa left was not this bad

GK: Reina the same

RB: glen johnson the same

CBL: agger the same

CBR: skrtel the same

LB: insua - enrique (which is actual johnson so its like having no left back at all therefore Insua wins)

CM: lucas the same

CM: gerrard the same

DM: macherano - allen i choose macherano as it is clear we need a DM and lucas is better than allen so he can play the xavi role.

RWF: kuyt - suso (it doesn't even count because suso is from our academy and was brought in by Rafa).

LW: Babel - sterling same as kuyt-suso but sterling is more of a winger (would have been interesting to see how babel would have played at striker or ss with his pace)

torres for suarez (suarez for me as he doesn't need gerrard or yossi to provide him with opportunities)

waste of money are; downing, henderson and carroll...why?....because they are not in the first team.

besides shelvey is better than henderson (rafa beats kenny)
assaidi is better than downing (RB beats kenny)
ngog when he was at liverpool was better than carroll when he was at liverpool (rafa beats kenny again)


I am fed up with the chelsea supporting ed002 telling us we never had it so good under fsg bet u would swap them for roman? We start the season with the weakest squad for years and one senior striker and u want us to be gratfull a bit rich from u when u spend millions so if u dont like lfc fans dont come on this page {Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with Chelsea. You are an idiot.}


Yes we were in the top ten...and so we should be we are Liverpool football club!. Most of us realise that its not sustainable to keep spending like Dalglish did nor can we have a revolving door of players.

I disagree with your point that there is no such thing as a rebuilding season. There most certainly is. When you have a new manager communicating new ideas to the players, trying to implement a way of playing that they are not familiar with it doesn't happen overnight. In addition to that new players coming in to a new team, new country in the case of Assaidi, Borini and Sahin, and a new league which is different from what they are used to it takes time to settle. Some players settle right away others don't. Aswell as this the young players like Wisdom Suso and Sterling who are experiencing the pressure of playing week in week out, it takes time to get used to that.

Lets say two or three years down the line. We have the same team. They have been playing in Rodgers' system together for three years. The youngins have more experience playing first team football. Of course they will be better than they are now.

We are not blessed with the squads that City or Madrid have Captain fantastic isn't going to drag us through games anymore. We need a team effort and that takes time. Maybe one season, maybe two. But with what we have at our disposal a manager can't be expected to walk in and everything is all rosy in the garden straight away.

That's just something that really annoyed.

GuvTOB {Ed002's Note - How many EPL clubs take a year off to rebuild with no expectations after changing managers and adding a few players. Spurs have a new manager and five new first team players - how are they doing? Are Chelsea taking a year off after making significant changes due to their aging squad? Manchester City have refreshed their players several times in recent years, but they don't take a season to adjust. Liverpool have had three or four seasons out of the Champions League and cannot endlessly have one or more seasons to adjust.}


That is because they buy top quality players. None of kenny's signings start and of our signings before that Johnson and Suarez are the only ones that start. Dembele, Dempsey and sigurdsson have premier league experience lloris doesn't start and Vertonghen has settled very well. They aren't inexperienced pro's. City didn't challenge in Mancini's first season nor his second. Chelsea can afford to buy ready made stars like Hazard who will only get better. They can afford to make mistakes and make up for them. We can't. Moyes' everton have gone up and down he's made some shrewd signings and they have got the strongest first 11 that they have had in years. I think Newcastle finished bottom half in Pardew's first season and the season after they were in contention for the champions league.

Tottenham were eighth in Harry's first season and then fourth the season after that. Klopp didn't turn Dortmund into league winners overnight. It was a slow progression. We are in a similar position as they were and I'm sure if we had infinite pockets of cash like Chelsea a change of manager wouldn't matter.

GuvTOB {Ed002's Note - Manchester City came 5th, 3rd and then 1st. When Brendan Rodgers is replaced by Super Stevie Nicol do Liverpool then have another few years whilst they rebuild?

Liverpool has consistently spent a great deal of money. Much more than just about every other Premier League team over the past 10 years but you still see yourselves has hard done by. Are you not embarrassed by all of this whining?}


And what exactly am I whining about? I'm arguing against what you said that seasons of transition or rebuilding don't exist when in fact they do. Our ultimate goal as a club is to be challenging for the title and we are a long way from that. A step before is to qualify for the champions league but realistically I think 5th/6th is the best we can do. What's more important this season is to get the players used to each other, used to the system and give the younger players experience.

Next season if we are still in this position will I be calling to give him one more year? Probably not. But if we change manager will it be the same story again? Maybe. In some ways this is where the D.O.F. would be useful.

But there is a lot of youth in our squad and its not blessed with the quality of Chelsea, Tottenham or City. They have potential and may or may not grow in very good players.

Patience is a virtue and I for one am prepared to be patient to a certain extent. Something like a bottom half finish come end of May will not be acceptable by anyone. If we finish where we finished last season I will be slightly dissappointed but I'll judge Brendan properly from next season.

GuvTOB


 

 

03 Nov 2012 14:04:23
i think this is the worst liverppol side we have had for a long time and i think we got rid of the wrong manager rogers isnt good enough for liverpool kenny was the right choice and with the right signings liverppol would be going for the title in a few years now we will be lucky to get in the top 10 as it stands


I think this Liverpool team is getting better all the time and we have 8 out of 12 points. 3 points tomorrow and we are on a nice run.

Mighty reds


Thats the point kenny made the worst signings in liverpool fc history as well as breaking all the wrong records. Certainly was exciting football watching us continously hit the post. RedTurk


The amount of times i have seen that same phrase on this site over the past few years is laughable. it appears every liverpool side for the past couple of seasons has been the worst one ever/ for years/ for a long time.


Would you trust Kenny with another £100 million coz I wouldn't!

Jay


When are we all going to let Kenny go , he is a legend in my eyes but clueless when it came to earning Premiership points in the modern game .

Plus , he blew £130 million , that's £130,000,000 for anyone struggling to comprehend the figure .

For the last time , when Kenny was putting our club in this financial position by buying absolute dross , were any of you Kenny supporters on here complaining .

If not , why not ?


Kenny didn't have a clue last season , why do you think he would have a clue this season ?


'i think this is the worst liverpool side we have had for a long time'

I swear I have read this line at least a hundred times on these pages all through last season... Singred


Morons (most who NEVER go to game) All defended KENNY-non could see the carp he bought through bthe mist of Kenny nostalgia at the time


Kenny did what he thought best for the club

FSG cut short Kenny's plan

And now can't provide the funds for BR plan {Ed002's Note - Quite frankly the owners should float the business, sell to institutional investors and then the "fans" like you will have something worth constantly bleating and grizzling about.}


What on earth are you no named imbeciles talking about ? Dalglish was NOT responsible for the amounts of cash paid for the players he wanted. Commolli negotiated ALL financial deals NOT Kenny.

Dalglish provided our club with Europa league this season, while at the same time sending the REAL supporters to Wembley 3 times, and winning the League Cup in the process.

He restored pride to supporters and gave us hope at least.

To be so disrespectful to one of the finest footballers that has ever graced our ground is quite honestly despicable, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

To ED002, to blame Kenny for 'pissing £120m against the wall', is sad and you should know better.

To listen to the whingeing that most people on here are doing makes me sad. Why dont you go a 'support' citeh or chelski if your not happy being an LFC supporter ?

I havnt been on here for a while, and Im quite shocked to see some of the disrespectful and downright incorrect comments against Kenny.

I will support BR as we really have no option, but lets wait a while and see if BR can deliver what Kenny delivered in his first season ?

In the meantime, please grow a pair especially the no named keyboard warriors.

Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - You are right Tel, I think it was only £116M. My apologies.}


Everyone blames Kenny for the bad signings but in time the truth will come out. He was blamed for the T shirt issue Just yesterday Kenny said the T shirt issue was wrong but he also said it was not his idea.
Moral of the story is don't lay the blame on someone for something untill you know the facts
Bobbinred


 

 

03 Nov 2012 13:42:28
If we were to sign theo walcott,does anybody believe that he may do better for us than what he does for Arsenal.
The reason im asking this is because im led to believe that Arsenal play more rigid than us. Since we have more movement and play the tiki taka system that he is used to. I think that it may compliment his pace more than the rigid system of arsenal. Its just a thought id like to hear others opinions.

GlJosh


He'd suit us either with Suarez upfront or Suarez just off him. And Wenger incredibley benched him again!


 

 

03 Nov 2012 13:39:40
Hi eds,

I was just wandering if west ham have no option but to buy Andy from us. He has not even scored a goal yet can they turn around and say they don't want him. Or is it a case of a permenent deal after the loan deal having already been signed or agreed between the two clubs.I fear we could be stuck with him even though Rodgers has said he is not a part of our plans.

Thanks

Red raj {Ed002's Note - I don't know what the provisions of teh contract are but there will certainly be get out clauses for all parties.}


Surely if Carroll was injured come summer, then West Ham would not be obliged to buy him?


He's carp surely his pathetic tunnel vision backers see it now, and for a big lad he's a tart getting knocked about and now apparently moaning about it


To the above unnamed post, officially AC is still a Liverpool player, no one really knows his loan contract, but I would expect if West Ham dosent want him or if AC dosen't want to stay at West Ham he will return to Liverpool unless another buyer could be found. If he returns then it's up to Brendan to use him or stick him in the reserves He certainly isn't carp and I would never treat a Liverpool player in this way, it just shows you are not aLiverpool supporter and know very little about football

Bobbinred


 

 

03 Nov 2012 13:27:58
So far in the United match, I've seen them do two tackles of equal badness to Suarez's one which was complained about by commentators and pundits alike. Both Young and Carrick had bad tackles and the commentators did not even bat an eyelid at the tackles and the game went on.

Why? Why does Suarez get ripped apart and everyone else is free to do what they want?

Jolly Red


Come on lad, you cant compare mate the suarez tackles were a lot worse come on lad be honest


Easy Target and pundits LOVE drama.


Robin Van Persie's challenge could have got as red card if was no MUFC at Old Trafford .

Jargon .


03 Nov 2012 14:22:26
The Young one was near identical. Stamp with on the ankle but look to be with more intent since Suarez wasn't even looking at the man, his eyes were on the ball which had already left.

Jolly Red


On espn with the carrick tackle they were even saying ''well it was accidental unlike the suarez one''...

GuvTOB


Well its simple. Alex ferguson complained about suarez after he destryed uniteds defence, it was actually since then that referees have been reluctant to award him penalties and have unfairly booked him etc. thowever at times he definitely doesn't help himself.
derryred


Unbelievable even that t at Stelling on Sky had to deny to Charlie Nicholas today that he's anti LFC. All his observations where negative


 

 

03 Nov 2012 12:50:28
I dont actually have any question regarding transfer target and such, I just want to thank all you EDs for the information you give us, and your patience to answer the same questions over and over again. You are all doing a good job, and hopefully you won't die because of stress during the January window.

Cheers from Sweden {Ed052's Note - Thanks very much. We appreciate it!}


Not related but mike dean gave utd a peno and your not going to believe this, it was a peno , bob the reds post was a bit harsh i thought but i do understand frustration with us , we did go backwards but sometimes you do if yo want to move forwards , i think br is doing a good job needs a year or two to judge where it will go but if we dont support him now its going nowhere


 

 

03 Nov 2012 12:28:48
Bob the red and The Irish Rover used to be the most rational and sensible fans on this site, Now they are the joke of the site constant critisism, Guys its a game get some priority in your life i couldn't care less if Liverpool win the league or get relagated as long as every weekend i can watch them i'll be happy, Good times AND bad times are part of the journey of being a football fan. If your so angry about something you have no buissiness being angry with (buying selling players) Thats the owerns money JOB then you need to stop watching football for a while and try enjoying something in life before supporting a football club.


Sign your name so at least i know who im calling a knob. ( just my opinion)

The Irish Rover


What a joke this OP


Although I don't always agree with Bob the Red or the Irish Rover

Both posters usually have something worthwhile to say unlike the OP

The Bells


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:37:19
Please who is the person calling chico,pablo hernandez,..only michu has the quality to play in our team..don't call average players who cos of one game all of a sudden should play in our team..we have enough of them already..who play well once in 3games


Also only joe allen is a prem starter compared to nearly all the swans team. pretty sure liverpool could beat Barcelona's 2nd team. but this does not mean we could touch there first team.


Not sure could beat 2nd team


 

 

03 Nov 2012 12:02:02
After reading thru the replies to Bob the Red's post last night i find it hilarious how ignorant some posters are.

Cozinoz states you are not a supporter because you actually have a difference of opinion to his and have the audacity to think for yourself. Tow the party line or your not a fan and definitely not a supporter. There is no right and wrong in this debate Cozinoz, just opinions. Mine is the same as Bob's! Rodgers has nothing in his Cv to show that he has the pedigree to change our fortunes so Fsg are taking a massive gamble on hiring him and he hasn't produced yet. Care to prove me wrong so far?

Next, Liverpool have been one of the biggest spenders in the Premier League, so its not a case of a billionaire needed, just some manager and scouts actually to do their job right. That is what they are paid for and handsomely too. For years now they have failed. Saying that, leaving our squad so thin and having to rely on the kids isn't right and i believe Fsg should take a major part of the blame. They hold the purse strings, they sanction the deals (or not as the case may be).

Ed 001, is completely right in saying that the football under Roy was shocking and Souness was the man in charge that started our demise. To be fair to Roy he actually didn't have any money but with what he had he did buy some stinking players and his footie was dire. I am not really bothered about this sexy football that everyone talks about under Rodgers. I would rather have an extra 5 points in the bag than an extra 200 passes per game. We have always tried to play footie under most managers, maybe not just as many passes as Rodgers likes. We are not Barca and we dont have their players.

" The Fergie Way" This is the best one. Fergie doesn't bring that many kids thru, he buys them and not necessarily as youngsters. Yes he might have had a golden era when Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville all came thru in a short period. There hasn't been a bucket load since.

The Irish Rover


So what is BR doesnt have much of a cv. shankly came from managing my home town to liverpool and became one of te greatest managers in history. at the end of the day none of us know how it is going to turn out so lets just say yeah we have different opinions but lets put them aside and support our manager, our team - together.
huddz red


Utter nonsense as usual from Irish Rover, keep it coming


Well said Irish Rover.


Good opinion but mine is different . Many other fans have differing opinions to mine also . So why don't we all try and keep our opinions to ourselves and pull in the same direction . I am going to support Liverpool BR and FSG . We are a young team that needs the time to gel and once we start to gel we will see some amazing football and with the possibility of a striker in January the who knows .

Jamesy


Agree with you, all I want to know is if we don't take a gamble with Br then who could come to our rescue. I see the team progressing and just like you I don't want to see 700 passes and 1 goal less then our opposition. There wont be any manager now who wont be a gamble, the safe options are not available for us as. Everyone has failed at LFC from Souness to KK with thier transfers . With Br transfers atleast you have that hope that if they fail there will be a resale value other than having the Aqualani issue or whatever is happening with Joe cole.
we fans are the only one who havnt failed when it come to LFC so lets continue to support the manager and the team and who knows our gamble pays off and Br becomes our Pep or mourinho. Atleast with Br I fell he really cares for the club and his history and doing his best for the club.
Red 316


03 Nov 2012 13:06:30
Irish rover spot on mate and Fergie was lucky coz before Fergie arrived at United those Youngsters were already at united and mind you he had a fantastic CV winning every trophy in scotland including european trophy with aberdeen fc


Lol! The second and third reply say it all. Of course, the second reply is full of sh#ep!

The Irish Rover


It is all about opinion - and mine is that ANY new manager is a gamble, no matter what his pedigree. Look at Chelsea - both AVB and Scollari - looked good on paper, cost them a fortune, and still didn't work out. BR could be thought of as less of a gamble because he didn't cost as much. But, yes, he is still a gamble. Personally, I really hope he does work out. I would have loved for KD to have had more time, but living in the present, I really hope BR is a success for a very long time. We need stability, I like the bloke, he seems to have LFC's best interests in mind. Has a alot to learn? Probably, but he seems willing to learn, not some arrogant ass. Yeah, I'd have loved Hiddink or Bielsa, but we have BR. I am liking the football we play, he is playing the kids, and he has a plan. I for one am going to happily give him more time.

Nick


Said for years amongst Cozinoz's insults its about opinion. Were all Reds but him and one or two others always get my wrath-the full bifters-cos they arrogantly insult anyone who's opinion differs to theres


Irish Rover I find your assassination of a fantastic club servant like Roy Evans both insulting and disrespectful. Just a week ago ed said that he felt Roy was one of the best coaches in the world so I highly doubt he would do a u turn in a week, you've shamelessly tried to use an ed to validate your own opinion.

Since the inception of premier league our football was best under Roy and also had dignity and manners, something your post lacks. I'm all for opinions but not spiteful ones like that.

Nevada


Think he means Roy Hodgson Nevada.


If thats the case and you do mean Hodgson Irish Rover then I wholeheartedly apologise. Nobody can argue the football was not easy on the eye under him, though I bear him no ill feelings at all.

My apologies Irish Rover.

Nevada


I accept your apology any time Nevada!

The Irish Rover


If thats the case and you do mean Hodgson Irish Rover then I wholeheartedly apologise. Nobody can argue the football was not easy on the eye under him, though I bear him no ill feelings at all.

My apologies Irish Rover.

Nevada


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:57:08
The tone of this posts suggests severe delusion or trolling. 'The truth is bitter' remark also suggests a disguised Blue. But I'll have a laugh and answer properly.

1) I actually agree about Suso. He's not playing well enough to be first choice ahead of Assaidi and Downing (who's had 2 goals and 4 assists in the Europa btw, if he was 18 and Suso was 27 people would be screaming for Downing to play in the PL). That's not because he's a bad player, it's because 18 and not really a winger, imo. Shelvey and Sterling absolutely deserve to be ahead of the experienced players you've mentioned though. They've been far better. And the Mersey Derby was the first good game Enrique's had this season.

2) I feel a bit sorry for Downing, but Cole deserves to be chewed out. He's garbage.

3) Rewatch the Swansea game and then try to tell me that we have better options than Gerrard at the moment. He was twice as good when he came on as any other midfielder we had.

4) Maxi's ineffective, he poaches goals, but otherwise it was like playing with 10 men. Kuyt was already going. Bellers wanted out. Letting go of Carroll doesn't bother me much, but I wasn't impressed with his plan to replace him Dempsey. We need a striker and Dempsey isn't one any more than Gerrard was in 2006 when he scored 23 goals in a season. Still, I'm not cruicfying a man for one transfer decision I don't agree with. All managers make mistakes in the transfer market (and it's only my opinion that Dempsey would've been a mistake), most are given a chance to rectify it. Borini hasn't had a chance yet and I really don't know what Allen's done to people to piss them off so much. Kinda funny that Lucas used to get stick basically for not being Xabi Alonso and now Allen is getting stick for not being Lucas.

As for the players Swansea signed, I did some research and a staggering 95% of PL managers failed to sign those players this season. They must all be incompetent. Sack everyone but Laudrup.

5) He's purposely played guys he doesn't see as part of the first XI in the Europa League and League Cup to concentrate on the league. How terrible!!

6 & 7) Plan A doesn't work because we don't have someone to convert the chances. You can't say on the whole that we're playing badly. And one of those 'inexperienced kids' is the best winger we've had since McManaman left.

8) Hendo won't get much match-time in central midfield because Gerrard, Allen, Sahin & Shelvey are all playing better than him. So if he wants to play, he'll have to play right mid or right back. Jonno was needs must because Enrique was out of form and he played well there. Agree about Suso & Borini, but again, he's hardly the first manager to have different ideas about where players are best used than the fans.

9) Don't agree. The only issue I have with his team selections is Suso being a first choice winger. He should really be bench option and playing in the middle in the cups, imo. Again, did Kenny, Roy and Rafa always pick a team that everyone agreed with 100% of the time?

But hey, let's just sack him and get someone else in so we can moan about them instead, yeah?

I honestly don't think we should've sacked Kenny because we had one problem: putting the chances away. Something that could've potentially been sorted with one signing. We got a new manager in who doesn't seem to have made that signing (maybe Borini will turn into Fowler when he comes back from injury) and we still have that problem, it's arguably a little worse since we get even less men into the box. Which is what I was afraid would happen at the time Kenny's future was being discussed.

But I don't think Rodgers is incompetent or incapable of fixing it if given longer than 2 months by some 'fans'. We're best off sticking with him, imo.

- Something Red -


03 Nov 2012 12:00:52
Oh feck, that was intended as a reply for the big list a few posts down.

I failed.

- Something Red -


Good post but don't agree with you about Dalglish - Kenny had to go. The amount of money he spent on poor signings made his position impossible and I would not have been happy to have seen him given even more money to waste.

SMc


03 Nov 2012 19:20:32
Carroll and Adam were Kenny's poor signings. They aren't and never will be good enough.

Henderson was pricey, but I think he's got the potential to be a good player, although with a first choice midfield established and Shelvey in good form, I wonder will he be given the chance to reach that potential here.

Downing... I have mixed views on. He's not really going to beat a man, and he does look a bit ponderous and seems to lack confidence. But he's a good crosser and I think he did create his fair share of chances last year, we just didn't take them. This season, in terms of raw stats, I think only Gerrard's been more productive for assists. I certainly think he warrants more game time to see can he get firing before the next transfer window anyway.

- Something Red -


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:56:49
Hi eds is there any truth to Sterling's contract negotiations? Is he refusing to sign at the moment? {Ed052's Note - We have explained what we know. Both sides seem to be trying to negotiate the best deals for them at the minute. As we say in Wales, paid a phoini.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:44:37
3d.
I know I'm gonna be ribbed,but I only hope not.Did Southhampton buy our otherwise addicted to GASTON RAMIREZ? nd if so,he's doing a wonderful job not being noticed...lmao


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:19:54
Whoever bob is I regret you ever.supporting liverpool..worst post have read here..just say u want kenny back..only fools like bob feel that rodgers is not good enough after 9games..you shortminded person this is the weakest liverpool squad in years and still you can't see that but only the fact rodgers isn't good enough..I see di matteo had a fantastic record before he won the double with chelsea rite??why don't u allow the buy build his own squad rather than judge him on the past mistakes of others


03 Nov 2012 13:13:34
To above poster behave you have just started posting for 5 minutes where posters like Irish rover, Bob and Blair have been posting for 6-7 years.

Kopite


Well said original poster. and to second one- a newcomer? old timer? debutant? i for one don't give a monkeys on a psoter's history. if they support liverpool fc and take their time to come on here, all views welcome...

should i post 25 times like some ebay seller to get the necessary star to be taken seriously?

now support brendan and the boys with as equal conviction there's a good chap.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:10:50
Have we sacked that imbecile communications director yet? After the farce that he orchestrated he has no place at LFC.
ND {Ed052's Note - nope}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 11:10:46
Hey ed's! Do you think it will be possible for the club to sell Joe Cole in january? Do you know of any interested clubs? Cheers, Scouserseb {Ed052's Note - If he moves I should think it will be to London. Maybe QPR will be an option for him}


Dont think he would want to play in the championship. {Ed001's Note - he hasn't really got much choice right now, there is little interest in him from the Prem and he just wants to play footie.}


Joe cole just wanting to play footy ?? he had a half for us against swansea , didnt look like he was playing footy to me............andy.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 10:49:31
Seven points. Three from that refereeing debacle against Man Utd which was the worst travesty of a game I've seen in a long time. Two from the referees flag against the blues. Two from totally outplaying the champions but giving it away with blundering defence. That's not a comprehensive list blaming every refereeing gaff for dropped points (there have been a few more) nor is it an unrealistic wishlist - its the top three so far, highlighting exactly what we should have gotten out of the games. With seven points we'd be in 4th/5th and really up there only a few points off top. Can you imagine how the [players and the coaching staff feel when they don't get what they deserve out of games? And then a significant number of fans with no perspective turn on the team too (best fans in the world - really?). BR is building a seige mentality out of the bad luck and bad refereeing like Jose would have done and that will help build a stronger mentality in the dressing room - something to be honest we've lacked a bit over the last three seasons. So with the points our season's deserved we'd be in a great position, lets just get behind the team and hope we do an Arsenal of last season and creep slowly but surely up the table - its early days to write off the season as 'transitional'. If one more person comes on here accusing BR of 'letting go' of Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy I'll go a bit nuts - once and for all, they all wanted to go, BR made various efforts to keep them but each had made his mind upo (for different reasons) - get you facts at least slightly correct before slating the manager after all he is the manager of LFC and we shouldn't just slate him as a matter of habit. Where's the respect for the club? I've even seen people on here slating the manager for bringing through the young players as a 'tactic' to distract us from the clubs problems - such persons have no clue about football, no clue about LFC, no clue about BR, no clue about anything to be honest. What muppets! Where's the support? It seems there are 'fans' who only support when things are going well and the luck's in. Thats not the way you support any football team nevermind the obvious point that it is no the Liverpool way.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 10:43:02
For the first time in a long time!!! Yes in Brendon's Rodgers we are going in the right direction. With a squad he had to take on and the money he got I think he has done really well. It's clear he got stitched up on the Carroll thing and was promised Walcott but the owners thought why buy him now when we can get him for nothing next summer( not good from fans point of view).the introduction of the kids is something we have wanted for a long time .yes this season is going to be a roller coaster ride but will bring great experience to the team. Lets sit back and wait and support and judge br at the end of next season where I for one believe we will be close to top 4 finish. To some this is not good enough I know !! But from where we were (hicks)it is a testiment to this great club.


Is that direction down to the Championship?


 

 

03 Nov 2012 10:00:59
Not rumour but a request! LFC go sign Tomas Rogic of the central coast mariners in Australia. He is 19, 6ft2, has great touch, composure, scores goals and is a number 10 positionally. Would cost peanuts and is jut class. Looked him up nd doesn't appear to be signed by a European club. Reminds me of yaya toure, tall good on the ball and scores.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 09:52:03
Morning eds fellow reds , just been reading BOB THE REDS post yesterday ,and some of the replies . but the funny thing is the people who are diagreeing with bob are saying we were never going to win the league with the squad kenny had .but that the missed part .We never say we will win the league that will take time but we need to get back near the top 4 and as it stands we're closer to the bottom 4 , I think that is why some fans are a bit pissed with the club at the moment .we have been told for 20years that we will get back where we belong but not happened and won't for the next 5 years at least .


 

 

03 Nov 2012 09:37:23
Rodgers looking into Walcott/Ba as a striker and Eriksen/Illicic as an attacking midfielder. If funds are still availible after two acquisitions, he will look at either signing both Walcott & Ba or a versatile full back ie Christian Ansaldi of Rubin Kazan. Rodgers remains interestedin Schalke pair Holtby & Huntelaar but has been put off by a hefty £20m price tag- both players contracts expire in the summer.

RedKopite


 

 

03 Nov 2012 09:26:39
As much as I think Walcott can do a job for us and would certainly improve the squad right now, but if we can only buy one player it has to be a goal poacher. Someone who is going to always be in the box when a cross comes in and is disciplined enough not to go chasing the ball into our own half. Someone who will link play but is fully aware is main job is to get goals.

I dont think Walcott or Suarez for that matter is our man for that. We need an Aldridge style of player. There must be a couple of players available who we could take a chance on. (any sugestions?)

Please by all means get Walcott but he wont drastically improve our goal difference on his own.

Kev the Red


 

 

03 Nov 2012 09:18:03
For those of you who come here to say all is well when clearly it Isn't, here is proof that Rogers is clueless and won't take us anywhere now or in the near future:

1. Playing too many kids - Sterling, Suso, Wisdom, Shelvy and Yesid at the expense of our senior and more experienced 11 - Downing, Hendo, Assaidi, Enrique and Pacheco.

2. Bad mouthing senior players in the press thereby diminishing thier market value - Downing, Cole.

3. Relying too much on ineffective Gerard, giving him 90 minutes and neglecting Hendo. He said Hendo was a good kid and people were being harsh on him, only to be found guilty of the same gaffe he complained about.

4. Letting go of Carrol, Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi and blowing the money for thier replacement on Allen and Borini alone. For the records, Swansea got Michu, Hernadez, KSYung and Chico for much less than we paid for this two alone. You spend big money on average players and you want me to be patient? Same old bull I'm afraid.

5. Playing a weakened team in competitive matches and expecting miracle.

6. Has no plan B in case plan A don't work out.

7. Passing aimlessly and showing no urgency in attack as a result of too many inexperienced kids and tired legs.

8. Fielding players out of position - Hendo, Downing, Johnson, Suso and Borini before he got injured.

9. Has shown no prudence in managing our scarce resources yet turns around to complain of having a thin squad.

If Rogers doesn't fix these gaffes quickly, then the worst might just be on the horizon.

The truth is bitter.


Finally a post that deals with the real issues in an objective way.

Time will prove this post correct.

Return to this comment in the New Year.

Scoop Red


1. Playing too many kids - He has played Sterling , Suso, Wisdom and Shelvey simply because they are better than the 'more experienced' players you mentioned like Downing, Henderson, Enrique & Pacheco, Assaidi is getting to full fitness hence he isn't first team.

2. Bad Mouthing Senior Players - He tells the truth, anyone with a football brain knows how rubbish both of these are! If he came out and said these are the future of our club we all wouldnt be happy.

3. Relying on Gerrad - Hardly, this makes no sense what so ever, yes he plays him in every game but he is a first team player and still a better player than 'Hendo'. Its simple you play your better players.

4. Letting go of players - Bellamy wanted to leave, Kuyt was a good worker but we all know tactically he wasnt there, and Maxi was getting on a bit. The carroll situation , we all know the board stiched him up with that. He was obviously angry.

5. Playing a weakened team in competitive matches - Wait a minute one minute you are saying we are relying on Gerrard and you want hin to use the more experienced players then he does like against swansea and they all failed to impress again, i.e Downing, Assaidi didnt look himself, Cole and Hendo you think this is a weakened team and he shouldnt do it?!?! No sense.

6 - No plan B - Against Everton he changed the formation and it worked simple as! It stopped them having any control of the game in the second half and we should of won if it wasnt for a poor ref decision.

7. Passing aimlessly - It takes time to do this into play, he has had a quarter of a season and we outplayed man u , man city and many other teams and should of won those games. Simple as that. We should of won those games we had the chances but really suarez who I love but still he missed plently of easy chances. Your players have to put it in the net. They had the chances.

8 - I agree with this is some cases but Hendo I think was due to injuries to kelly and johnson. Johnson playing LB is because enrique has been poor and injured.

9 - We are looking to compete with the bigger clubs who have good size squads etc hence we have a thin squad compared to the other teams. We as fans complain about having a thin squad why cant he?

Just stop and think about everything before having a rave about things when sometimes the players just dont try like against Cole, Hendo , Downing etc.

JD


Good post but only one contradiction?
did u say hendo a good player?
after 50 odd matces for liverpool..
can u remember 7 good performance from him?
he is a garbage..and sunderland is laughing at us..
KK still lived in 1970..
a tall striker..caroll...in comes the cross and scores...
to assist a 35 mill caroll
we bought downing for 20 mill
can we all laugh??
we need pace in the flangs..which we dont have...
wen we dont have pace..like nani, valencia, lenon and walcot..
we should have skill in the flangs with 4-3-3..
like, pedro, nasri, silva,
we dont have either..
lest hope sterling and suso stays for a longer period..
we need to buy a player like eriksson..to play behind striker...and a clinical finiser..like torres wen he was with us..


 

 

03 Nov 2012 08:52:37
Hi Eds just read on sky website that BR will have Money to spend so will it be a shopping spree or just a one off buy {Ed002's Note - VAst spending spree - perhaps £100M.}


Is that three players at 33.3 mil recurring ed?


 

 

03 Nov 2012 08:05:36
January move list

In
Gary Hooper(ST)
Theo Walcott(WF)
Jang-hyeon-soo(CB)
Josip Ilicic(MF)

Out
Joe Cole


 

 

03 Nov 2012 06:08:18
Bulgarian referee Ristoskov suspended by BFU
The governing body says that the 41-year-old is banned for "committing too many mistakes" in CSKA Sofia's 2-1 Bulgarian Cup win at Ludogorets on Wednesday. The Bulgarian was banned after CSKA appealed against "the extremely biased refereeing" and complained that the official had failed to award them two penalties along with a number of other errors in the match.
"He'll be suspended and you'll not see him officiating a game for a long time. He committed many mistakes," BFU refereeing commission chief Nikola Dzhuganski told local media on Friday. It's a shame this can never happen in England.
RedBeer.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 05:11:30
Brendan Rodgers is confident Liverpool will be in a position to bolster their squad when the January transfer window opens.


The boss is in regular dialogue with the Reds owners and insists the club will have the funds required to strengthen the ranks.

Rodgers told a pre-Newcastle press conference: "We'll have funds. I'm in talks with the owners at the moment along with our recruitment team. We know we need to reinforce the group, so that's something that is ongoing.

"The priority is to get players into the building. Our squad is very small, very thin on the ground, and the players have performed admirably up until now.

"They have been terrific in their mentality considering the games they've been playing.

"At this moment in time, it really is about reinforcing the group rather than looking too much at people going the other way.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 04:02:02
Hi,Great site guys!
You made it clear that Liverpool were interested in Hooper,but do you know of any interest Hooper has in joining us ? Thanks
- Rookie {Ed002's Note - If the opportunity arises I am sure he would be interested.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 02:42:30
If the owners wouldn't pay for Dempsey, why would we assume they would pay 3 times more for a 29 year old Hentelaar.
What rubbish!m


 

 

03 Nov 2012 01:42:33
Hey eds, any truth to the rumours that we have signed Huntelaar on a pre contract for January? {Ed002's Note - None whatsoever.}


 

 

03 Nov 2012 01:37:15
Where the hell is Doni? Surely we can sell him for a quid...


 

 

03 Nov 2012 01:17:15
Your talking about a 17 year old boy , who is acting like a prima donna already god help us when he is 19 and then 21 , how much money do you really think he is worth , 15k aa week plus all the add ons like apperance money and goal money and all the other add ons players get , if im wrong then we let a player who held us for ransom go for a good price , but if im right we get good money for a on trick pony , as i said in my post i cannot see him getting any better , and he is too light weight , dont forget we now have a 17 year old kid holding the club to ransom after playing a few games for us and in the last 2 games he has not been at his best , and if he gets a rise then the other kids will want the same which would be only fair to them , suso and wisdom have done their part just as sterling has done his but i have not heard anything about them wanting more money , we cant afford to let sterling upset all these young up and coming kids , i would get rid and get the best price for him
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Who are you to say he won't get better at the same time which planet your staying every player in 1-2 years is going to want as much as he can. We won't get anything if we let him go coz his 17 but we need to bend coz we need him as we have invested in him lots of time money and patience. What about Suarez when he was getting 40k a week but hold us 120k a week is he prima donna. We need to give him what he wants and tie him for six years when time is right sell him for huge profits. Reality is we don't have choices we can't afford players like city or chelsea or united or spurs so we need to fight and do whatever it takes to keep our younsters coz they only our hope to get back in champions league. If we let them go easily for extra quids then I'm afraid not only for our future but for our club. Hope you understand coz we cant gamble our future for few quids as we heaviley riley on them.


Cash in on sterling if possible , what does he do.


 

 

03 Nov 2012 00:15:01
Great to see our manager sticking up for Luis - I particularly like the bit where he says (I can't remember exactly what he said) the more stick Luis gets the more support he will get from Brendan. He only said what we all know, but it's great that he said it.


Luis still needs to tidy his game up a little bit,I dont like to see diving no matter whos doing it and when its one of ours its embarrassing.
NAVANRED


 

 

02 Nov 2012 23:31:16
So Rodgers said owners gona invest in team in next window, they know were thin on the ground.WTF? Did they decide to chance how we went till Jan? More ineptitude! Still better late, and all that....


 

 

02 Nov 2012 23:30:55
I see alot of negativity in alot of posts recently what i find strange is how we like to say we are very loyal fans of this gr8 club but continually slate our owners who not to forget saved us from administration and a manager who has worked with little funds and a team which is riddled with mediocre players from previous managers lets get behind our manager and team like we used to in times of glory and push to achieve gr8 things again in the future i for 1 believe we can once again achieve these things. YNWA

YNWAmanc


He's had more money than Hodgson and has fewer points


We are not robots we hurt when the club we love is in a mess and we all think we can do better but there is at present some thing very wrong at the club , i do not think any one knows what direction we are going and i for one would like a higher profile in liverpool from the owners whos lack of presence to me shows they are half hearted and have bigger fish to care about(respect to them for keeping us going though but full commitment is needed) , hope i am wrong but thats just my thoughts.red mick tag


 

 

02 Nov 2012 22:14:51
All of you people slagging off fsg and Rodgers have no idea. At the moment BR is trying to deal with one of the top young players in Europe and it is looking very good. In addition he is also targeting a player in the premier league plus a full back. One of these players will cost between 20-25 million too.


 

 

02 Nov 2012 19:08:52
Hi eds, just wanted to say thankyou for all the great work you do, and just a quick one really was just wondering how ud like to see the team lineup?
thanks again {Ed001's Note - if everyone was fit: Reina, Kelly, Skrtel, Agger, Robinson, Lucas, Allen, Sahin, Suso, Suarez and Sterling.}


Johnson instead of Robinson plus I'd swap sahin and Allen around.


Wow Ed, no Gerrard, very bold. Although i totally agree, good first team, need some more players now to put them under pressure.
Oh by the way, great job you are all doing Ed's.

Sooty


Id agree with that totally. being honest i think gerrard is past his best we need to learn to work without him. and brenden has shown he has the ba*ls to drop the big names when he has to


Would your really drop johnson ed? i know he's been very hit and miss with us, especially miss when it comes to defending, but i think he's been one of our best players this season {Ed001's Note - I would sell him, he is still making exactly the same mistakes as ever, he is still drifting into the centre constantly when getting forward. He is still not getting back quickly enough. Still switching off defensively and getting caught standing around doing nothing, both going forward and getting back. It is such a waste of so much talent! He has the ability to be the best full back in the world, but not the mentality.}


 

 

 
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