Liverpool Banter Archive October 03 2012

 

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03 Oct 2012 22:46:32
Guys, please stop comparing us to Dortmund. We have no chance at signing their players. They are CL and Bundesliga champions!


CL champions?


04 Oct 2012 01:32:05
No, what people are comparing is the model that they have built their team and club on and the model that we are starting out on under Brendan Rodgers and Fsg. People aren't saying go and sign their players but bring through our own players through our Academy and also buy young players for lower prices through using good scouting systems a lot like Dortmund have done under Klopp and which I believe that we are now doing.


Yes there are definitely similarities between the 2 clubs even if lfc are a bit behind them


 

 

03 Oct 2012 22:30:12
Evenin' fellow Reds, feeling a little bored so I thought I would try to kick off a little banter/debate with you all....

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that in order to win we need to field close to a full strength lineup tom against Udinese...they are not Young Boys. So how do we square that with having to play Stoke 72 hrs later?

If I were BR, I would use the Europa to blood the young guns and let the chips fall where they may. If we go out in the group stages, so be it. Let's not worry about the consequences. Focus on the EPL....

This means go out with basically the same team we had against the Swiss, give or take 1 or 2. No Luis, Stevie, Pepe, Agger, Johnson, Allen, Sterling ( who's basically 1st team now).

This means jones, Coates, carra, Robinson, wisdom, henderson, shelvey, Pacheco, suso, yesil, Assaidi.

Bench: cole, downing, Morgan, Borini + whoever we can grab from the academy training ground on the way out :)

What say you chaps and ladies?

Doha Red


A team strong enough to win.

Prem comes first but getting into European comps is a reward. It's important to do the best we can for financial reasons and attracting the signings required to improve the team. 4th or better may be out of reach this year (I don't think it is) so the best next thing would be the Europa cup.


I think that the team we fielded against young boys can beat the swiss. I think that BR has alot of confidence in the kids and is not just throwing away our chance to win. Also we still have 5 more group games if it comes down to the last game if we go through, then I think BR will definitely throw in the big boys.
Andrew


Given we have a series of upcoming home games, I would include some senior players in the squad as opposed to what BR did for Young Boys. At least Jonjo is available for the game tomorrow.


Borini in for yesil and thats about right

jones
wisdom coates skrtel johnson
henderson-shelvey
suso
j.cole borini assaidi


 

 

03 Oct 2012 21:46:50
Mario Goetze, WOW ! what a player.

cobra


Goetze and Reus are both exceptional talents. They were robbed of two points at City.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 21:22:48
Good evening Ed do you know if anyone at the club is still keen (as I believe we once were) on Michal Kadlec?
Thank you

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it Chris.}


You got a mention on this morning Chris without even commenting, Ronnie says your always giving Rooney pelters


Missed out talk sport


That's because Ronnie is well aware of how I feel about Rooney, that he is the emperors new clothes

Chris in Tamworth {Ed063's Note - I agree with you Chris. Rooney is so over rated it's ridiculous}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 21:14:57
fifa 13- they've put shelvey down! wtf what are they smoking


Put him down where? {Ed063's Note - On the table}


Shelvey is a poor mans Veron. {Ed063's Note - Hahahahaha! Veron? The guy who cost United 28mil when that was the equivalent of a 40-50mil transfer today? He then flopped majorly, only to be sold 2 years later to Chelsea for 15mil and surprise surprise - he flopped again.}


Heh heh! Veron the unthinking mans leornardsen! The name always makes me smile! And as for Anderson heh heh! 18 million ssshh! The media might mention him!
Paisley's genius


Veron the poor mans Sean Dundee {Ed063's Note - Not fit to lace Dundee's boots}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 21:11:42
Really don't understand the big fuss about Sterling to be honest, he is fast yes, he has a little bit of skill (doing stopovers a few times) And he crosses to horse face a few times. How is he the next big thing as some of your fans seem to believe on here?

I am being serious can someone really explain the serious talent this lad has? All I see is another Walcott or Lennon.

-JakeW


He is 17 lad. Give him two years


03 Oct 2012 21:46:55
Yeah he certainly isn't the next Macheda, Morrison, Bebe, Cleverly, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, etc.

I hope we start buying youngsters as good as yours.

Jolly Red


Sterling is different because he's got an end product. Walcott and Lennon run with the ball and forget to lift their heads. I actually think that Jordan Ibe is or could be better, if given a chance.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Tactical awareness is superb for a 17 yr old. Watch gary nevilles analusis


Who the bloody hell is horse face?

Sterling is a 17 year old kid, who goes past players like they aren't even there. He is quick, skillful and is already a better player than Lennon and Walcott.


Are you for real?
You are honestly wondering why there is a fuss about Sterling?
We have a 17 year old kid who has forced his way into a premier league starting 11 based on his ability and attitude.
He is quick, can dribble, shoot, cross, pass and beat players with ease.
He has set goals up for us already this season and I have no doubt in the next few weeks he will score his first senior goal for us.
We complain about spending money on an academy that produces no players then we get somebody making an impact so you turn on them instead, questioning their ability.
Some people can never be satisfied.

Jay


If you have to ask why he's so good then you don't know much about football, it's that simple!

MR EM


Why is anyone even giving this note a reply? This is obviously a joke.


Sterling you could ask evra! But then again he didn't get it either......
Paisley's genius


This post isn't a joke, and the reason he's started it is because he's a person Manc


Why are you ALWAYS on our page, JakeW ?


Me thinks there's a tit on the wind up here.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 21:11:12
Dortmund show City Only money can't bring sucess. what a match they playing good to see city suffer.


r-r


City got lucky again, dortmund were far the better team
huddz red


 

 

03 Oct 2012 21:09:33
If anyone doubts what BR is doing at the club they should watch how Dortmund have turned themselves around In the last few years. Most of their team are youth products so imagine with some key signings aka Allen imagine where we could be in 2-3 years if we believe.
We are in the first year of a revolution have faith and we will reap the benefits of that I am sure.Klopp was given time and support why not Rodgers? We have an identity and philosophy that will see us prosper and that is a fact.
Also Dortmund have some fantastic support.

Red88


Comparing Liverpool to Dortmund is crazy, they are a far superior team. They have champions league football after all.

- Undar2


Comparison is not that strong. Dortmund have been a German power for decades (they have an 80 000 person stadium, which exists because of their success). They dipped a little in early 2000's but have won last two bundesliga's. Liverpool have been sunken farther than Dortmund ever did.


Really? in 2008 they finished 13th, out of 18. Thats fallen pretty far. All the original poster is saying is to be patient and maybe in a few years we could be as good as Dortmund.


Let's get this straight, liverpool football club is twice the size of dortmund as a football club an always will be! How many fans worldwide do dortmund have?


To Undar2,

I assume that is a misspelling of your age however the comparrison is of Liverpool now to Dortmund a few years ago and reflecting on how their philosophy has taken them into the Champions League.

Andy K


 

 

03 Oct 2012 20:43:27
Hey guys

Watch borussia dortmand... Young team...midfielders seem very mobile and happy to press and harass city
Fullback join attacks.. And they always seem to have 3 players in the box

I hope lfc are working towards this... It looks good because they have a midfiled that look very mobile and not lazy skilful and quick

Pete


I like reus.. Think he would be a great addition to the Liverpool team but I highly doubt he would move to us {Ed002's Note - There is no chance - he has only just moved.}


They seem to have 13on the pitch superb display of football this team should dominate europe for years fair play a good side.

TC YNWA


 

 

03 Oct 2012 20:11:53
Is everything OK at the Red Sox now? {Ed002's Note - Sure: http://tinyurl.com/965v43b }


Haha Ed. I read the article before I reealised it was The Onion.

Chi-Paul


Well the Sox are having their worst season in nearly 50 years.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 19:55:53
Back to football

I don't think that BR should be playing Agger, until his kneecap is fully heeled. We all know, everytime Agger gets a slight injury. It seems to take a lifetime for him to recover. A fractured kneecap surely is something to be concerned about.

I defiantly wouldn't play him tomorrow night (don't think he will). But if his kneecap hasn't improved at all before we play Stoke, I would start Coates instead and don't take the risk. Coates hasn't let us down yet and his height could be just what we need against Stoke's long balls into the box. Would be a good matchup, Coates vs Crouch.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


I can't see BR realistically taking a risk with Agger if there was any chance of long term damage occurring tbh. I think he'll know we have a weapon in Coates who has been nothing short of brilliant in the time he has been given. If Agger DOES start, I imagine he'll be substituted for Coates at some point, which I think would be beneficial to all. I've got really high hopes for Seb, I think he's gonna be an outstanding defender.

JFT 96

JP


We have very good back up in the shape of Coates so yeah I wouldn't risk agger either.
Aggers a better player but if he has a slight injury then there is no need to play him.
Carra is always there as back up to Coates as well.

MIKEY


 

 

03 Oct 2012 19:51:38
03 Oct 2012 16:25:41
Hi eds I have a different sort of question, I would appreciate as many answers to this as possible but particularly the eds
If you were to pick your favourite or the 7 best strikers in the world who would they be? Thanks jk

-----------------------------------------------

Suarez
Borini
Yesil
Morgan
Ngoo
Sinclair
Pacheco

UCCM


03 Oct 2012 20:35:17
Messi
Falcao
Van Persie
Aguero
Higiuian
Gomez
Tevez

If there was a a top 10 I would add Suarez Ibrahimovic and probably Cavani.

Red88


No Rooney Red88? Come on no need to be like that!

LFCDabestteamever2012isouryear


Messi, Ronaldo, Falcao, Van Persie, Aguero, Tevez, Suare.


Aguero
Tevez
Messi
Neymar
Van Persie
Suarez
Benzema


ps what clown would put borini,yesil,morgan.ngoo,pacheco and especially sinclair in their top 7 worldwide frowards? person! Even brendan rogers wouldn't pick any of them and he pays their wages.FOOL ;)


Anyone including ibrahimovic needs to see a doctor, the mosto over rated footballer on the planet!


Suarez one of the best strikers.

LMAO come on.. lets just be honest at least, he is in no way one of the best strikers.


Anyone not including Ronaldo is on crack. Guy has more goals than games he has played at real
Andrew


 

 

03 Oct 2012 19:27:49
So what will win the day -

Stoke biggest/tallest team in Prem against the youngest probably smallest team in Prem?


If the balls on the floor then it doesn't matter how tall you are.
Our players will dance around stokes lumbering giants.
Stoke only lump long balls into the box and we have skrtle and agger/Coates to deal with them.
I can see us finally having a good game against Stoke with this new style, it's a bit like fire against ice but I think our young, short players will be our strong point not our weakest.

MIKEY


Yeah it will be fun watching giraffe legs try and get the ball of our defence


 

 

03 Oct 2012 19:02:00
Enough about me. If the Mancs and and some LFC fans can't take the banter, then you're on the wrong site. This is a banter site and every page on this site, is not restricted to one set of fans.

If you don't like it, skip by it....

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Well said Blair! There is nothing better than going on to the manc or blue nose site to give them a little bit of friendly stick. That's the whole point of it being called a BANTER site.

Elmo96


I'm now going across to the Mancs page now for a good laugh.

Elmo96


Why should we have to skip by your games for 5 year olds. person.
J.C


Well said Blair , I must admit I never go on any other teams banter page and don't really want to as I prefer to be with sane people . But banter is bunter and that's what these pages are for . Keep it up mate .
YNWA

Jamesy


It's easy JC mate. I just seen JC at the bottom of your post and knew it was BS, so I skipped by it.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


03 Oct 2012 20:34:44
Well Blair wonder if you've had your cheese implant yet? And when you do will you stop trying to validate yourself as Liverpools number one fan and remove those letters after your name.
J.C


Sorry JC mate. I haven't got a clue what you are talking about? I'm doing more skipping here, than Floyd Mayweather does in 6 weeks, training for a big fight.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


 

 

03 Oct 2012 18:32:58
Eds, do you mind being asked questions that could be answered with a simple google search? There are some questions that could be found out so easily. {Ed002's Note - 1986.}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 17:17:53
I just wanted to say that Blair has made my day very entertaining. Please keep up the banter, you are driving the mancs crazy.

Red Rat


03 Oct 2012 17:37:59
Why are you made up blair is on the manc pages, is it because he is having a go at them ?? well dont we moan when supporters from other teams go on are pages yet its ok for clowns like blair and t-ts like you to go on there pages, yet again muppets like you and blair embarrassing us.


Thanks mate. I only called in to see what nonsense they were talking and couldn't let them away with it anymore.

I can understand the Mancs I.e GAGUS, Steviek etc, taking the hump. But some Lfc fans moan about it too? Which is surprising considering how many times GAGUS, Disney and the rest of the useless Mancs have been posting on here. Because of our poor start to the season and no CL football.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Perspective please gents - What Blair is involved in is the true spirit of why these banter pages were conceived. The folk Blair spars with on the UTD pages frequent our pages too 'G.A.G.U.S' 'Sydney' 'Sir Alex' etc...& may I add the aforementiond Mancs were quick to offer support on these pages in light of the recent Hillsborough events. The true persons are the trolls who claim to be LFC fans yet abuse our players & manager without leaving a name.

dd


Don't take any notice of what the
Manc fans say, I have no interest and I believe them to be ignorant of the first 100 years of association football.


I suggest you use the search function and type the names
Disney
Sir Alex x
True Blue
Melbourne cfc

You will see that we have been putting up with this sort of thing for a while and from all different sides.....not just mancs.

Blair, keep doing what your doing mate.....loving it!

But I guess people would prefer the doom and gloom that this site was developing into.....or prefer the fsg insults or refering to our players as dead wood. I guess that's better isn't it?

K.Bennett


Blair mate life is about having the banter so carry on. I don't understand with what's wrong with having a laugh.

Mighty reds


Anytime man. It is a banter page and the point is for friendly banter which you do quite well. Ignore the Liverpool "fans" that think you are an embarrassment to us but I think you are a legend.

Red Rat


The Clues in the name

BANTER PAGE!

Like if I said " it was nice to see Manutd
Win a Game last night without having bring on
That YOUNG PAUL SCHOLES LAD" one for
The Future!!!

Lyndon


 

 

03 Oct 2012 17:09:04
Eds was my previous post posted? I'm not sure if it was sent in successfully because my phone was acting up.


YNWAsin16 {Ed002's Note - I have no idea - look through the posts.}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 17:08:38
Hey guys

My question to the eds and fans.....

Will rogers make the same mistake he did before the arsenal game...and play our better players such as suarez stevie agger skyrtel etc

Cos its stoke this weekend... And its another tough one?

What do u think guys

Red lobster


Yeah, I agree that starting the likes of Suarez, Gerrard and Agger would affect their performances against Stoke. I hope BR selects the ypunger players and even the fringe/squad players such as Cole, Henderson, Downing? And maybe if say after 70 mins, we are losing or drawing, we could throw on Suarez etc to turn things around?

YNWAsin16


I would like to see a bit of a mix of first team players and youngsters.

Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Coates, Enrique, Sahin, Henderson, Allen, Suso, Sterling Suarez.

I say to play Suarez from the off and see if we can bang some goals in early. Then sub him off with 30 to go and give Yesil or Pacheco a solid 30 minutes.

Just think that Udinese are not a bad side and I think if we can beat these then its a bit step toward the next round.

Canadian Red


03 Oct 2012 19:27:22
I agree with you Canadian Red.....however Enrique does worry me tbh!

K.Bennett


 

 

03 Oct 2012 16:35:47
Ed002 I've noticed a few posts today with people having a go at other clubs owners and young players. I thought a man of your calibre would know that only youngsters who put the red of Liverpool are allowed to exhibit any pride. At no other club throughout the world but particularly Europe is this happening or even tolerated ha ha. Me thinks you should let these ill informed fantasists have their say and leave em to it. Their minds made up and no amount of explaining the facts of life to them will change this.
JohnBoy


 

 

03 Oct 2012 16:25:41
Hi eds I have a different sort of question, I would appreciate as many answers to this as possible but particularly the eds
If you were to pick your favourite or the 7 best strikers in the world who would they be? Thanks jk {Ed002's Note - I am sorry, but I have no interest in fantasy football but no doubt others will play.}


Why 7?

MIKEY


Messi
Ronaldo
Benzema
Llorente
Falcao
Suarez
Rooney

Indian Buzzer


Cavani, falcao, messi, ronaldo, suarez, aguero, rvp


1. Falcao
2. Messi
3. Ronaldo
4. Suarez
5. RVP
6. Aguero
7. Cavani

Scottybhoy1888


Hesky, Owen, djiouf, cisse, baros, ngog and mellor


Aubemeyang, Doumbia, Abonlaghore, Walcott, Biabiany, Nilmar, and Doumbia Inform


Cavani, falcao, messi, ronaldo, suarez, aguero, rvp

Lil Red (sorry forgot to sign off)

favorite = messi, suarez, falcao, neymar, rossi, villa, cavani {Ed052's Note -


03 Oct 2012 20:56:25
Lewandowski, Reus, Suarez, Jovetic, Cavani, Muller and Aguero - all 25 or under.

Jolly Red


Messi ronaldo falcao benzema van persie suarez huntelaar - in that order.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 15:29:34
Hope yesil,coates and assaidi are given another run out on thursady night in the europa game.Relly like the look of assaidi,think he might prove to be an absoulute bargain.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 15:24:57
Hi eds! I posted about a month ago saying that we really need 2 give suso and sterling new deals asap as they are both in there last 12months of current deals!now there are rumours that real madrid have all ready held talks with suso agent and that he only has 9months left on his contract!if we lose him 2 madrid for peanuts when he is going 2 be a 20-30mil player in years 2 come i will be disgusted with ian ayre u could see a year ago he was a class player and still ian ayre has not pulled his finger out!! King kenny {Ed002's Note - Sterling cannot sign a new contract just yet - as has been mentioned on plenty of occasions.}


Twitter will destroy your mind.
JohnBoy


Has no one worked it out yet?

Twitter, facebook, etc.

Are all just vechicles for spying on the masses

Sour Puss


Has no one worked it out yet?

Twitter, facebook, etc.

Are all just vechicles for spying on the masses
=================================

And to make millions of $$s ....
Not sure about the spying bit though; no one is forcing anyone to update their status every time they go for a sh88
Roy


 

 

03 Oct 2012 15:20:35
Will all of you please stop posting rumours or speculation on who we will be buying in the next window. Do you not realise that Tottenham monitor this site. God, no wonder that they go after our targets. Lets keep it a secret from them.
Robbie


03 Oct 2012 16:29:03
Didn't you notice AVB in all his interviews during the transfer window?

AVB: Yes, he will sign (checks phone) Dempsey and um.... Kun Aguero?

Jolly Red


In that case I have it on very good authority that Liverpool will be resigning:
Voronin 25m,
Sinima pongolle 15m,
Josemi 10m,
And traore 35m (CL pedigree)

You heard it here first, spurs site second.

MIKEY


Rather voronin than carroll, he was a more prolific goal scorer for us.
voronin, 1 goal every 4.5 games, andy carroll, 1 goal every 5.2 games.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 15:05:08
Gary Hooper in from Celtic?


Good player,know's how to hit the back of the net.Depends how much they think he's worth,i'd say 5-6m.


If Jordan Rhodes went for 8mil between two non Premier League sides their ain't a chance Celtic would value at 5 or 6mil. He's way to important to them to let him go for that price.
JohnBoy


Dont want him to hit the back of the net want him to hit the front of it


 

 

03 Oct 2012 15:04:45
Being liverpool tonight live on ESPN india at 9.00 pm! Come on LFC!

Just a small info for indian reds.
Red indian


03 Oct 2012 15:21:33
At 8in espn hd also


Great news...I thought i wont be able to see it on TV.


Its not worth watching. It would make David Brent cringe


Latest episode is top notch.

I can't wait FYI, so I watch via my friend 'pirateb*y'

Lee YNWA


 

 

03 Oct 2012 14:43:38
Forget what city,united or chelsea are doing or what they are spending,we are liverpool fc and im more than happy with the path were on.Take united massively in debt,no one coming through the youth system to brag about,and have to pay top dollar to land there targets as they have no ability for find up and coming players at reasonable prices.We easily outplayed them with 10 men,although we didnt get the correct result,it's a good sign for the future.With the current crop of youngster's and more to follow,add a few more experinced palyers and we will continue to get better.City have spent an absolute fortune on players on should be well ahead of everyone else,but quite a lot of there money has been wasted on vastly over rated players.If it's true that there owner is not willing to spend massive amounts on players again,then i belive they will not dominate and can be caught in the future.Chelsea started off by buying everyone in sight,then there spending dipped for a few years,now there back to what they know best,signing lots players for a lot of money.The main problem with chelsea is there owner,and his inabilty to stick with a manager when things heat up.Granted they have some terrific players,but when u constanly change your manager it really doesnt help stability of the club.So i honestly think with the right investment and further development of our kids,we will be once again challenging up the top end of the table once again,in the very near future. {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have no problems with stability. Constantly changing the manager (noting that Liverpool have had four in a little over two years) has not been a major problem for Chelsea, three Premier League titles, Champions League winners, plenty of cups in recent years. You should perhaps stop your digging at other clubs kids, owners and now managers, or at least try and think about what you are typing before you further embarrass yourself.}


Chelsea do have problems when it comes to managers.Abramovich is a ruthless owner as his track record proves.So what if the current manager doesnt meet his targets?,he will be sacked simple and they start again.I belive that we are on the right track,with the introduction of the youngsters.The man city bit was what me and my friend who is a massive city fan were talking about,and he feels the same,with regards to the money they've spent and the squad they have.He also realises that these owners aint going to be there forever.Hardly embarrassing for expressing my opinion. {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have no problems with managers - look at the success the club has had over recent years.}


I think chelsea use that very hip dof-system. the manager is more a coach, stability with style, signings etc comes from the dof (or whatever they call it). mistakes, as every club makes, are okay because of the massive funds. {Ed002's Note - It is a collaborative approach. The Director of Football, like the Manager, is one of the people with an input to the process.}


Why was jose sacked,why was carlo Ancelotti sacked both were successful?. {Ed002's Note - Putting aside the issue that Mourinho was not sacked, changing managers does not mean there is a problem. As for Ancelotti, it was decided at New Year that he would leave at the end of the season. It was not a matter of "success" or otherwise that led to him leaving.}


U not gonna get anywere with edd02 he/she is a chelsea fan afterall,hence the biased viewpiont {Ed002's Note - There is no bias - it is a matter of making something factually correct to a poster who has made numerous posts demonstrating his ignorance. Or can you see something I have said which is not correct? If this is something you find tedious I could just ban him and then it will stop - is that what you want? Or is it simply the hip thing to do for a little Johnny Jerk Off like you to anonymously grizzle about an Editor?}


Ok.. for one, Jose WAS sacked, wow. Another, Chelsea have huge problems staying financially stable, signing useless, injury ridden players (ie. Torres) and consistently sacking managers. In a couple years time they'll be heading in the united direction.. I've read lots on the financial instability of Chelsea, very interesting stuff


Johnny Jerk Off? French dude? Played for Bolton? Looked like a Thunderbird?


To be fair ed02 , ancelotti won the double before he was sacked the year after, just because he didn't win the champions league. Scolari was sacked after 6 months as was AVB. Chelsea finished 5th last season and only got into the champions league because they won it. You ask any chelsea fan before that win in munich last season and they would still have taken mourinho back at the drop of a hat. I think it is a little naive to suggest that chelsea havn't had problems with sticking with managers because they have. The treatment that AVB recieved from the board, the players and fans was nothing short of embarrasing. I know that we have changed managers a few times in the last couple of seasons and you may point to hodgson but we were in the relegation zone where as chelsea were still fighting for champs league spots. Even now the owner of chelsea buys the players. I feel that RDM had no choice in who came through the door this transfer window. Abramovic ought to stay in the background and let the manager work but instead he interfers and this is why there is no stability with managers.

Ian the red {Ed002's Note - The decision to let go of Ancelotti was taken at New Year as I said. It was for a very specific reason. Scolari was a mistake and the club put it right. AVB went on the word of an advisor to Chelsea who took the position that the play had become predictable and the training one dimensional. Why would you think that Mourinho won't return to Chelsea? And I have never said that Chelsea have not had a problem "sticking with managers" and I have made no such "naive" suggestions - perhaps you should go back and read the posts more carefully? You are wildly inaccurate if you believe the owner of the club buys the players - although there have been a couple that were indeed his choice. The players arriving at Chelsea come from a collaborative process which the manager has an input to. It is certainly not the manager's decision which players to buy. Your misconception about Mr Abramovich is somewhat off target. He attends pretty much all of the home games, most European games and as many away games as he can. Perhaps if the Liverpool owners and the poor Mrs Henry were not subject to some extreme abuse from the fans they would do the same?}


Thanks for educating me ed002 (you teach dogs, haha)! i read the dof-thing in the soccernomics-book, but i must have remembered it wrong.
i think to have a bunch of people to decide is the best way. stability+ new input.


Interesting to speculate at how much more successful Chelsea could have been if they had that stability with the managers though.
Could they have dominated the last few years if they stuck with one manager?
Ancelotti was hardly a failure and Avram personality Grant was close to securing the treble if I remeber rightly (atleast the double).

Jay {Ed002's Note - The decision to let Ancelotti was taken at the New Year for a very specific reason. Avram Grant is a really, really nice guy with a great sense of humour. He as only ever going to be a stop gap but the players really liked him and a number stay in touch with him still.}


Don't forget that Liverpool spent £110 million in 2 windows also. People really should get their facts straight.

Ash


Ed002 is the man!

CT13


Chelseas success over the years is down to the amount of money chucked at the club.
If they had just stuck to one decent manager they would have had plenty more success and a bit more financial stability at the club.
The owner is poor at running a football club, if he didnt pump so much money into the club it would fall to bits.
Chelsea would enjoy just as much success with a fraction of the cost if the owner had a clue how to run the club.

MIKEY


03 Oct 2012 16:58:41
But you Cannot deny Ed that constantly chopping and changing managers is not what the board of directors want,It would be easy for us to say Hodgeson was a mistake,who was replaced with a stopgap Kenny,who was then Replaced by Rodgers. Bottom line is thats still 3 managers in two years.
Honestly,do you think RDM would still be in a job if he hadnt won the champions league? I'm not looking for an argument,but surely changing managers 8 times in 8 years in not a sign of stability? Granted it hasn't stopped them winning trophys but thats down to the blank cheques Roman writes more than anything else!
Success on the field,Chelsea are right up there.
Off the field,they are nothing more than a joke,Simply throwing around managers and money like its going out of fashion.
WBD {Ed002's Note - You are missing the point - changing managers has a financial implication but stability is of no relevance at all. Success is what clubs want. If a manager is not right for the club, for whatever reason, then he needs to go. Managers have left Chelsea for a variety of reasons. Two have been ousted at the request of an advisor to the club. One was simply a stop gap. Another never worked out at all. One left by mutual consent etc.. Chelsea are hardly struggling because of it.

So, would you have kept Degen, Poulsen and Konchesky for "stability"? Liverpool have had four managers in a little over two years including Benitez. Would you have rather kept Hodgson for "stability" once Benitez moved on?


Obviously we wouldn't have kept Hodgson but if we had a manager who won the FA Cup and Premiership in the same season we would have kept them, if we had a manager who got us to the League Cup final, Champions League Final and second in the Premier League in the same season we would have kept them, if we hired a new manager with the brief to overhaul the squad and bring the average age down and he was doing that then we would have stuck by him.
These situations were hardly calling for dramatic change.

Jay {Ed002's Note - As I said, Ancelotti went due to a decision taken 6 months before the end of the season and what had happened the previous season was not relevant to the issue. Avram Grantwas not sacked - he was, like Hiddink, on a short-term contract that expired. I have no idea who you think was tasked to "overhaul the squad and bring the average age down". That is happening now, but it is not in the remit of the manager to be entirely responsible for that.}


Its pretty obvious who was tasked with overhauling the squad and bringing the average age down, AVB.
Thats why he fell out with so many players (as well as his strange man management skills and methods admittedly). He was told the long term plan was to ease out the older players and make room for younger players.
As a result Lampard was used sparinlgy, as well as Drogba and Anelka and Alex were frozen out.
AVB just rushed this plan instead of using his three year contract.
The seeds of that plan are clear to see now though with the new players brought in (Hazard, Oscar, Marin, and Mata and Ramires before them) and with Lampard being benched more frequently. Not to mention the players that are mentioned above who have now left.

Jay {Ed002's Note - You have been misinformed I am afraid. Of the players that arrived whilst AVB was in charge, only one was his choice. Hazard, Oscar, Marin, Mata and Ramires were nothing to do with him at all. Transfers were not his responsibility, it was a collaborative process as I explained. When results were not going Chelsea's way, an independent review was carried out by an advisor to the club. And that review is what led to the determination that the play was predictable and the training one-dimensional. Ultimately this determination is what led to AVB's dismissal.}


Once again Mikey you make absolute ridiculous statements. How you can say Chelsea's financial affairs are messed up is a guess at best by you. It rivals 'Gerrard's ego has been holding us back for years' that you posted on here not long back, and fawning the other day about how Xabi Alonso was a 'Great man'. He's a top footballer and probably a nice guy but great man GTF. That Chelsea statement goes to show that it must be possible for humans to actually speak out of their hole.
JohnBoy


Once again Johnboy you have proved yourself to be a tit and unable to read properly.
Chelsea have no stability financially meaning without the owners money they would buckle. They are not in financial trouble.
Gerrards ego has been a problem for years, he's a player why on earth has he been asked for his opinion on what manager LFC should hire, what players we should buy etc.
And whats wrong with saying Alonsos a great man? I have met him a number of times and he is great.
I though Redturk was bad your on another level.
Please find yourself a new gf on one of the many adverts on this site as your in dire need mate.

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - I have seen the projected earnings as fall out of the CL win and it is very, significant indeed.}


Chelsea deserve to be relegated,jose was sacked,so was ancelotti,so was avb,so was avram grant.if jose was still there they would probably be dominating,but as i said they sacked him!.Very rich owner,with a small club. {Ed002's Note - You must be the most ill informed poster on the site.}


Boohoo got to resort to name calling. Honestly your broad sweeping generalizations I find as a Liverpool fan embarrassing to say the least. I'd say Martin Luther King and people of that ilk great men even though I haven't met him. To say Alonso is a great man cause you've met him has really got me pissin myself. And Chelsea could've been as successful for a fraction of what they spent so says the oracle that is Mikey ha ha. What a whopper you are.
JohnBoy


 

 

03 Oct 2012 13:07:10
Why do people come on here sayin "we should give this and that guy a chance he seems amazing" I'm betting most of the people sayin this have gotten there info from video games an never watched the youth team live, (most people not all)


I used to think this about all our youth players for the last few years because none of them were ever given a chance.
However, with Rodgers now blooding some of the young lads and getting the rewards, I think we need to trust his judgement about the players in the reserves, U21's and U18's.
Maybe the ones who aren't getting a chance just arent good enough or aren't deemed ready yet, I have posted on here a few times about giving some of the young strikers a chance due to our lack of depth in this area but Rodgers sees them more than us and he obviously has doubts about their ability to step up.
Still wonder why Coady has never been given a chance as well but we do have a lot of competition in that area now.
Trust in BR.

Jay


I think the problem is that there not good enough to make the big step up.Coady and morgan seem like great lads,but when young jerome sinclair gets in ahead of morgan i think that say's it all.Not all our youths are going to make the step up,like suso,sterling and wisdom.


Fair point mate, I think we all wish we had the next starting 11 for the next 10 years in our reserves just waiting to step up but the reaility is thats not the case. If it was that easy everyone would produce their own players.
I think if we can get 1 or 2 integrated every season into the first team squad we wont go far wrong, only Sterling is an automatic starter this season from the group of young players but thats the way it should be.
Shouldn't put too much pressure on the young lads too soon.
Just hope nobody jumps on their back if they have a few off games and we lose a few matches quickly.
Everyone will then say we should have invested in more players in the summer and our academy isnt working!

Jay


Ed002 i never said that mourinho wouldn't return to chelsea i said that all chelsea fans would take him back at the drop of a hat, which they would. Didn't mourinho leave because of interference from abramovic after a champions league game with rosenburg where he explained he was disappointed with results? you say that i am 'wildly' inaccurate with my comment suggesting that the owner buys the players but then admit that a few have been his choice. So therefore he has bought his own players without the approval of the manager, torres being one. So what if he does attend most matches? maybe he attends to cast a watchful eye over the managers performance. Even after the champions league win in munich he didn't look impressed because he knew he would have to stick with RDM. I maen, lets face it, he wasn't exactly giving out the high fives with him as he got to the top of the stairs was he?. John Henry may have recieved some abuse from fans, but certainly not from me! I am eternally greatful to him and his team for pulling us out of the mire and stabilising us and agree with their vision for the future. I would rather develop and mass produce young players from the academy than throw hundreds of millions at it and buy success that is for sure. That way it is done through hard work where it is earned and not bought.


Ian the red {Ed002's Note - Mourinho left by mutual consent. Matters came to a head after a discussion with Mr Abramovich following a game with Aston Villa in early September. I won't go in to details. The two remain close friends to this day. The approval of the manager is not required to buy players at Chelsea nor many other clubs (including the likes of Real Madrid). The manager is one person who provides an input and certainly there has never been a case of the owner buying a player without discussion with others at the club. Ancelotti had no say on players - including Torres. There was no decision about the manager after Munich and RDM was certainly not first choice for the job.}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 13:03:39
AS claims: LFC star wants out of Anfield in 2013. Worried, or time to cash-in?



Despite recently signing an extended contract with the club, Reds striker Luis Suarez is reportedly still a target for La Liga side Atletico Madrid, who see the Uruguayan as a potential replacement for Colombia goal machine Radamel Falcao.

According to Spanish daily newspaper AS, Suarez's Agent Pere Guardiola - Brother of ex-barca Boss Pep Guardiola - has already held talks with Atletico General Manager Miguel Angel Gil Marin over the possibility of a potential deal. It is also claimed that Suarez wants the move, and is actively trying to push through a transfer for the end of the season. The report states:

"Luis Suarez is wanted by Atletico Madrid as a potential replacement for Radamel Falcao. Suarez's representative, the brother of Pepe Guardiola, has already spoken with Miguel Angel Gil Marin [Atletico's GM], and now it is the player who is trying to push the transfer through".

AS has strong ties to the Madrid clubs, and it has proven to be very reliable in the past when it comes to news about Real and Atletico. Having said that, given Suarez's new contract, and his repeated public statements about being happy at Liverpool, it seems unlikely that he's plotting a move away from Anfield.

It's clear that Suarez and Rodgers have a great deal of mutual respect. The Uruguayan has repeatedly expressed his support for the manager, and at the weekend, he reiterated:

"I still believe - and will continue to believe - that we have a lot of quality here and a manager who is giving everyone the confidence to believe in their opportunities. The results will definitely come".

You never know what's really going on though; if Liverpool finish outside the top four again this season, which to be realistic, is a strong possibility, will Suarez - at the age of 25-26 - be content to spend another year outside the Champions League, watching on as his countrymen play at the highest level?


I belive suarez will be around for quite a while yet,as we are steadily on the rise.I belive we will sign a new striker in january so the pressure on suarez wont be as great!.


All good players are gona be linkt with transfers. The reality might be some thing else, and why would he want a move to equal club? I wont be afraid into Barca and Real come calling or any of the high wage payers.

The Rob


Why would he go to athletico, they are in the europa league every year?


This piece of abject drivel was posted on his own site by Jamie Kenwar, a man with a definite negative agenda so far as Luis is concerned. The editors should never have allowed the article to reappear here. Just for the record, Luis will definitely be a Liverpool player for a good few seasons more, thankfully.

Red Owl


I hate . No one should read the rubbish he writes. I stop reading his BS ages ago. He has been at the forefront to get Suarez out of our club and he calls himself an LFC fan.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Suarez believes in Rodgers style of play as he is the focal point of all attacks. Luis loves the club and the fans (especially after the whole incident involving Utd and the support he received). Luis will be our #7 beyond next season.
Scouse_Pride


 

 

03 Oct 2012 11:19:16
Anyone else see the scathing attack on brendan rodgers by craig burley?.My reply to mr burley would be,the owners are happy with brendan rodgers,and more importantly the fans are happy with him too,so keep your opinions to yourself.Average ex player having a pop for reasons only known to himself.


Read tomkins review of the piece from the tomkins times,its hilarious and filed under 'muppet of the week'.
leni


Before you get yourself in a tizz ask the question "Who is Craig Burley"?
DM2012


Maybe rodgers stole a girlfriend of him years ago or something.


Craig burley average at Chelsea mediocre at derby mundane as a commentator the human equivalent of the colour beige....
Paisley's genius


Burley at last is seeing through the emperor rodgers new clothes

Rodgers is not the man for LFC being saying this for weeks now but all belive otherwise

But time will tell and Rodgers will win nothing

Should have stayed with the King


Just read it, then let rip on the comments - suggest others do. Vile journalism.

dd


We all love Kenny but league results and final position says he had to go, especially when you factor in the money he spent (or wasted depending what way you look at it).
I was behind Rodgers from when he was given the job but the last few weeks have only improved my opinion of him.
We are playing fantastic football, finally getting the results to show for it (3 wins in the last 4 games, all away from home and scoring 12 goals) and he is introducing young, talented, hungry players into the side.
I would pay to watch these young lads any day rather than the likes of Downing and Adam.
I know we had a shaky start under BR with the losses but dont forget we lost at home to the likes of Wigan and Fulham last year, lets see how BR's Liverpool do in them games.

Jay


And trhe position were in with Rodgers is so much better than with Kenny isn't it?


If you consider the fixtures we have already played this season compared to the corresponding ones last then yes we are in a pretty similar situation:
Under Kenny last year
United at home - draw
City at home - draw
Arsenal at home - loss
Sunderland away - loss
Norwich away - win
West Brom away - win
8 points

Under BR
West Brom away - loss
Arsenal at home - loss
United at home - loss
City at home - draw
Sunderland away - draw
Norwich away - win
5 points

Considering the money Kenny spent and what Rodgers has had to work with then I would say yes we are in a decent position all things considered.

Jay {Ed052's Note - Especially as we have had all those games in one run, last year they were broken up with easier fixtures, a bigger squad and no Europe}


Good point Ed, no Europe last season as well, forgot about that.
And were still in the Capital One Cup, I think we could be on to something special with Rodgers if we just give him time.
As long as there is progress in the league thats all we should judge him by.
I think a realistic aim for this season should be top 6, I dont think Newcastle will be as strong as last season and I still feel Everton's early season form will drop off (although people could say I am bias).
However the top 4 will probably be the usual City, United, Chelsea and Arsenal which leaves us and Spurs fighting it out for 5th and 6th.
The cups are a bonus and a welcome distraction as the Cup runs with Kenny last season were great but we shouldn't be worried if we go out of them early as they are not the priority.

Jay


 

 

03 Oct 2012 11:15:19
Just making a general observation off the top 3 teams, leaving Arsenal aside because they don't really fall in to my point of questioning. I think every Liverpool fan whether they like it or not would have to admit the Man Utd have been the team of the last 20 years. But as history repeats itself and every empire crumbles or any cliche you want to put on it Man Utd have been getting away it for the last 2 years and haven't been as formidable as they once were, not basing this on recent results but watching a steady decline over the last 2 seasons. They Man Utd over the last 20 years has basically sprung from their youth development that flourished once Ferguson took over in 86 not overnight of course but within the coming years. Are they in a position now that they can't take a chance on youth because they have to buy big every summer to maintain their status therefore the few cameo roles the youngsters get in league cup competion is all they get. They have produced some ok players but nothing that is going to win a league over big spending Chelsea or Man City. So reversing the situation at Liverpool we haven't been a force to some degree over the last 20 years but when Rafa took over in 2005 he implemented a high importance on youth not just him alone I know but we're starting to reap what we sowed from 7 years ago now with our crop of youngsters. I think Brendan Rodgers will be a fantastic manager for Liverpool provided he is given the correct tools and gels together a team of youths for the next 2/3/4 seasons. The youths names have been well mentioned on this site so no need to mention them all. So the future is looking good but trying to get back in amoungst the top is essential I hope we don't forget how we got there if we get there and don't be afraid to keep blooding the youngsters even it means edging out some established players just because they are there from the beginning. Liverpool and Man Utd are very much alike but poles apart but I think it's our time to rise now. The problem is Chelsea and Man City are now amoung the contenders for supremcy who will never give youth a chance and will continually spend in order to maintain there existance. We will never compete with that but where we can excel is our youth set up and a manager who is very ambitious and driven. We have both! Keep it going Brendan I'm right behind you.

Owen {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have a lot of young players in their squad. Eden Hazard, Oscar, Piazon, Thorgan Hazzard etc..}


You're right Ed002 - but they are buying their young players rather than discovering/developing them. That is fine as long as the money is there BUT a rich man can drop out as suddenly as he dropped in - what happens then? Especially with highly paid players on long contracts?

Puzzled {Ed002's Note - Chelsea do have a bunch of promising kids coming through with a couple expected to do extremely well. But as you say others have become in from other clubs, although that is nothing unique and true for many sides (Sterling, Suso, Ibe, Teixeira, Sinclair at Liverpool for example). As for the owner, Mr Abramovich is coming up 10 years at Chelsea and one of the longest serving in the Premier League.}


True chelsea really do have some outstanding young players,but they are on outstanding wages and cost a hell of a lot of money too!.They are there for money and money alone,they dont have pride in the shirt or love for the club like our young players.We are still a massive club,bigger than chelsea can ever dream to be,and we will rise again!. {Ed002's Note - How can you possibly know theat the kids playing for another club have no pride? An ignorant and embarrassing post.}


Not exactly there from when they were 16 some of them and name 5 top class players that came out there youths since the start of the millenium that went on to excel for both club and country. I'm not knocking Chelsea or Man City but there objection is to spend big. I was making the point of Beckham, Butt both Nevilles Scholes breaking through at Utd to excel them to the summit of English football not comparing those at Liverpool to that crop but we have some real potential {Ed002's Note - Potential like Wilson, Yesil, Sterling, Suso, Ibe, Teixeira, Sinclair - all of whom Liverpool bought. Just accept it, clubs buy youngsters as well as established players.}


I think Owens point (correct me if I am wrong mate), was that chelsea and Man City dont blood their own young players that they have produced. Yes they have great young players in Oscar and Hazard etc but they have been bought for large transfer fees when their potential was clear to see and had been proved to a certain extent in other leagues.
Chelsea have had good players from their academy over the last few years, Mancienne, Sinclair, Borini, Bruma etc but they have never been given a fair run of games in the first team to prove them selves.
I know Liverpool haven't neccessarily 'produced' Sterling and Suso coz they were bought when they were 15/ 16 but we still contributed to their development over the last 18 months to 2 years and now they are getting a chance to prove themselves in the premier league.
The more players we bring through and give a chance to the better because they either become an important memeber of the squad or put themselves in the shop window and command a higher transfer fee if they are sold.

Jay


Man city and Chelski rely on a very rich owners,who treats there clubs like play things.With the introductions of the financial fair play rules,they will have to get their houses in order.These owners are not going to be there for life,although roman has been at chelski nearly 10 years,can u honestly see him there in another 10-15 years.Once these owners have had enough,clubs like city and chelski will collapse qucker than a pack of cards. {Ed002's Note - The embarrassment of ignorance continues. First you post rubbish about the kids at other clubs, and now the owners.}


Thanks Jay you get my point and the same for Man Utd now they find it hard to blood their youngsters because they need to maintain their status and can't risk dropping out of the top 4. Of course clubs buy players young I've already accepted that Ed002 but buying a player a 15/16 is still a toss of a coin if their going to make it. Liverpool are in a position now to give youth a chance because they are neither here nor there in terms of qualifying for champions league or even winning the the league. So why not. Chelsea might have promising young players but they won't be given a much of chance compared to where they are in terms of challenging for the league and Champions League whereas Liverpool can because there not challenging for either


Question if a club that constantly has massive losses ie chelsea and man city what happens with regards to the FFP rules,how will they get around it. {Ed002's Note - I have dealt with this at length before. Why not ask about Liverpool - £50M or so losses the past two years and £30M net spending this summer?

There is a lengthy explanation of the FFP rules in the archive - try searching the Liverpool page for FFPR. Or make your way to: 11 Sep 2012 13:22:36.}


Putting down others is not the way to go

Roman has been there for 10 years and no let up

As well as the other chelsea startlets mentioned by Ed002 Roman has lukalu
do LFC have any young players like him?

Lakalu is playing great at West Brom and he'll be developed for Chelsea by no one other than Steve Clark one of the best coaches in the Game we used to have him but Henry sacked him

Time to drop the bias, LFC have good young players but they are not the only ones and those waiting for Roman to drop the ball maybe waiting a long long time?

Looking for other clubs demise so we can improve is not the way forward

Also remember that if our young players develop they may choose pastures new, most of them are not dyed in the woll LFC supportors like Stevie and most won't stay for life.

Sour Puss


I would love to see us stick to the policy of promoting and using young players even if we do get back into the top four and start challenging for major honours.
I know Barca is the cliched example but they have the right balance of promoting 1 or 2 young players every season as well as buying 1 or 2 established star players to improve the team straight away.

Jay


Agree,i also like the look at lukalu
think he's gonna be a beast of a player,Wish we had him at liverpool. {Ed002's Note - Which is ironic seeing as you just accused the Chelsea youngster of being "there for money and money alone,they dont have pride in the shirt or love for the club".}


Chelsea may have promising young players but their under 21's were thrashed by our under 21's 4-1 a few weeks back so what does that tell you?

Ian the red


Ryan bertrand is the only real youth player that chelsea have brought through recently but at least they are. I cant see chelsea bringing through 3 or 4 from their academy/youth set up but that ake and bertrand will be top players for years


 

 

03 Oct 2012 11:12:15
Is true Manchester United sign with Tom Ince in January? he is 6game 6goal now. {Ed002's Note - They have an interest in him.}


Cant believe we let him go without giving him a chance in the first team, especially with our embarrasing lack of width we have had in the team for the last 3-4 years.
I know he was asking for guaranteed playing time (and probably too much money considering his age and position at the club) but surley we could have given him a few chances to impress in the first team and earn this new contract he was aking for.

Jay


It show's united's youth policy is in utter decline if there trying to sign a player deemed not good enough for liverpool.I also think they have a very average scouting department too,if you think of what hidden gems the've brought in in past 10 years or so.Apart from ronaldo the rest have been brought in for inflated fee's ie phil jones,anderson,carrick,young and the funniest signing ever bebe!.The begining of the end is in sight for united mark my words.


I think I'm right in saying Ince wanted first team football and variopus other demands. Liverpool could not guarantee this - is this right Eds?


Love the way nobody ever mentions the fee paid for Anderson (around £18 million) and the fee paid for Nani (around £20 million). Considering this was around 4 or 5 years ago as well them fees are ridiculous when you look at the impact them two players have had on the club.
Think they have been huge disappointments considering their potential but yet again Ferguson gets away with it.
Lets not forget the great Berbatov deal either, buying him for £30.75 million and then selling him for around £4 million four years later.

Jay


Hello have you forgotten £35 million on Carroll and £20 million on Downing - not to mention £16 million on Henderson.


Agree carroll and downing have been a complete waste of money,as for henderson i belive he will come good.It's not just nani,anderson,carrick that have been a complete waste of money,how much did they spend on the vastly overrated rio ferdinand,and does anyone remember veron?..Yeah we've made some terrible signings,but none compare to uniteds purchase of bebe and thats a fact!.


You missed the point he was making...

Liverpool's spending on players is highlighted(alot), but Anderson(flop) etc is not mentioned, ever...


Thats my point mate, I haven't forgotten about them deals (and believe me I would like to) and neither has the rest of the world of football.
However people have forgotten the prices United payed for some of their players and what they have sold some of them for.
We seem to have this reputation of wasting money in the last 18 months to 2 years, which is justified, but then so have United and other teams.
People forget Ferguson effectivley froze Berbatov out despite him being one of their top scorers in the past few seasons and then activley looked to sell him for a tiny fee compared to what they paid for him.
Same with City and De Jong, dont know what they sold him for but it was nowhere near the £18 million they signed him for.

Jay


Berbatov did better than carroll, nani better than downing, Anderson and henderson is a toss up


True, but does that make them worth the money just because they have done better than our flops?
Babel done better for us than Bebe did for United but it doesn't make him worth the money we paid.

Jay


 

 

03 Oct 2012 11:10:29
eds do you think we sign to Swansea good midfielder Ki sung yeong? {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 11:08:52
If chelsea sign Falcao. we sign with Fernando Torres. Then attack line is Torres Suarez Sterling!


03 Oct 2012 13:19:04
Mate forget about Toress. If we don't finish in top4 Suarez won't stick with us he will be looking to move to clubs who play in highest level especially there is lots of interest from other clubs and his agent has already started to talk to clubs about his potential move.


If chelski manage to sign falcao,they will easily win the leauge.The guy for me is the best striker in the world,an absolute goal machine.I'd love to see torres alonside suarez though.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 10:43:59
eds please some help can i give some information about our financial situation what kind of wage we can afford about the new stadium please can talk to me about the economic of Liverpool and one last thing i think that you are very pessimistic and thank you alllll {Ed002's Note - You should use the search function and I am sure you will find whatever you want. If there is a specific question, then please ask. There is little point in entering discussions over wages. As for being pessimistic, I don't think so. Some folks seem to confuse realism with pessimism.}


Ed002 you are so chelsea and you dont even know it {Ed002's Note - So how would you answer the question "please can talk to me about the economic of Liverpool"? Jerk.}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 10:24:13
Just want to wish Borussia Dortmund good luck in their game against City tonight. Remarkable young team playing beautiful attacking footy.
They have a brilliant young gaffer in Jurgen Klopp and a good leader too in Michael Zorc, who have well over the years bringing through exceptional young talents like Sahin and Gotze.

They are a proper footballing club and team with amazing fans. I'll be rooting for them to win this competition, though I wouldn't be unhappy if Arsenal won it.
I have nothing against Barca, Madrid or Bayern, but personally, I'd like to see Arsenal and Dortmund contesting the final this season, and it could very well happen. Madrid, Barca and Munich haven't at all been totally convincing. Dortmund are wiser are cleverer this campaign and Arsenal is capable of producing a real fight, so who knows, could happen.
Would be such a treat.

Anyway, best of luck to the lads against Udinese tomorrow. Will be a good game of football. Hope to see Yesi, Assaidi and Robinson.

BARNEY


Couldn't agree more, Barney. Would love to see Dortmund win this competition - it would prove that re-structuring the team to play fluid football with young talent under the eyes of a young manager DOES work (something I think we're all hoping for). Plus their JFT96 banner was a great example of what sort of fans they hold within their ranks. I'll be rooting for them. I don't wanna see Arsenal win though (I know some will say you should always support an English team), purely on the basis that I don't want to see sour faced Wenger overjoyed.

JFT 96

JP


I completely agree. Dortmund are probably the best structured model club I have ever seen come through since Ajax in the early 90's.

Best designed and largest stadium in Germany = check (their stadium is amazing)
Most passionate and loudest fans in Germany = check
Young talented team from youth and bought for nothing = check
Best team in their league outcompeting Bayern = check
Club revenue and costs all exceptional = check
Manager and staff and whole club structure = top class
Limited operating debt = check
New youth team and young players integrated into first team every year = check
Have finances to buy and attract top players = check

This is how our club should have been built and aimed towards when H&G came in, but they set us back 10 years. We will need at least 4-5 years minimum to get to this level. Watching Dortmund inspires me that a club without billionaire oil wealth can succeed in today's football environment. RC


03 Oct 2012 13:04:24
They are by far my second favourite team (don't worry Liverpool are far out in front of Dortmund though ;) ).

Great youth, great coach, good football, don't pay over the odds, miniscule wage bill compared to Bayern - they are generally what we are aiming to be.

I wish them all the best in this competition and hope the sink the big spenders in style. And massive respect for their banner in their last match (and they sing You'll Never Walk Alone too anyway).

Jolly Red


The only competition dortmund have these days is bayern. That leagues just a 2 horse race these days, yea u have other good teams but there just like valencia, A. Madrid, malaga in the spanish league


I completely agree with you, but let's not forget that the german Bundeslige rules don't allow a sugardaddy to buy a club like in England, Spain or Italy.

Hence there is no competition with a club who can spend 200m every year.

Bayern's millions come from business combined with results over the last 30 years.

Marc


 

 

03 Oct 2012 10:02:28
It's going to be interesting to see how the likes of sterling,suso,sahin get on against stoke on sunday.I belive this will be a huge test for these players,coming up against such a physical team,and there style of play.Stoke will try and stop us playing our crisp passing game,so we have to be that little bit sharper in our all round game.This is a game where we will need to play coates,as his height will be called upon every 10 seconds.This really will be a game of beauty and the beast.


Suarez tends to play well against them.


Well said mate, thankfully the game is at home so hopefully it shouldn't be such a steep learning curve for the new lads and young players.
Can't see us keeping a clean sheet against Stoke based on our recent defending though so fingers crossed we are as clinical as we were against Norwich and Young Boys.
Think this game will show how much we have improved since last season (or if we have at all) as its the type of game we would have drawn last year or even lost.
Gona put my neck on the line and say a 3-1 win for the Red men.

Jay


The return of charlie adam,should be interesting.


 

 

03 Oct 2012 09:48:38
I know a lot of people will disagree with this post but i think we should go for Bent in January. He is a poacher and will get goals in and around the box. He is similar to Defoe but IMO better. A swap deal with Downing, and maybe loaning one of our younger players would be enough for Villa to part ways with him.

Barry B


I have never rated Bent but he is clearly a poacher , and has the mobility that our system now demands .

It would be ideal if we could do a straight swap for Downing , mind you , I would swap Downing for a new set of goalposts at the moment .


I thought Bent would have been a great signing a few years ago, when he left Charlton or even when he left Spurs but now I dont believe he is the future of what we are trying to build.
Dont think he is technically good enough to play in a front three that interchange positions through out a game.

Jay


If he hears about our interest and wants to leave (which he would he's fed up there), is available for about £10m + Downing/Henderson + Robinson season loan for example, then push it through I'd say. Just so we have that striking poacher option, and his prem experience. His attitude's not the best, but Brendan can straighten him out if needed.

But no more overpriced English buys, it would have to be a smart deal where Villa are held at ransom form his desire to leave, this would be very rare though, not another Downing deal please. I disagree as a £20m odd million signing, only through a smart deal which I don't trust Ayre with at the moment.


03 Oct 2012 14:11:21
He would be great since when did you need to be the most technical to put the ball in the back of the net he will be brought in to score goals and he will simple as that

ACMD RED


I am not disgareeing that Bent is a great striker, he has scored enough goals in his career to prove that however I dont see us buying him because he isn't Rodgers type of player and I dont believe he would fit into the system.
BR loves his 'technical' players, it's his favourite word!
People could argue that Andy Carroll could put the ball in the net (if he was given the right service) but wasn't deemed right for our new system, same as Bent.

Jay


 

 

03 Oct 2012 09:05:46
hi Edd's

Do you think liverpool are going a similar route to b dortmund?

YNWA REdH {Ed002's Note - No.}


And what route is that?

S.G.L


Yeah! 3 years time Liverpool FC chmapions of the Bundesliga!

YNWA! (Adam)


 

 

03 Oct 2012 01:19:40
hi eds and fellow reds any answer would be really appreciate .is it true that man u would be favourite to sign jores okore of fc nordjsland look very good tonigt against chelsea.thks in advadce JBJ {Ed002's Note - It is no more than a comment from an ex-player.}


 

 

03 Oct 2012 01:43:03
any interest in Alexandre Lacazette from Lyon? Can play as a striker or down the wings in a 4-3-3, At 21 he fits the bill as a young player with huge potential and a good sell on value. also have you heard anything regarding Iker Muniain, still feel like he could be perfect for our system. can play anywhere across the front 3 and has great technical ability and plenty of pace. i feel both could be secured from around 10-15 each with munian maybe stretching to the 20's. thanks for the insite.

Slim {Ed063's Note - None in Lacazette. There was interest in Muniain towards the end of Kenny's reign, don't know if any remains}


 

 

02 Oct 2012 23:23:24
Hi Eds and Reds,

Just wanted to post my views on the season thus far.

I believe we have made progress under BR and appointed a great manager with a clear vision and is clearly a very intelligent man.

His vision is also being impressed upon the team as the retention of the ball has vastly improved.

We have also dominated most teams.

The integration of youth has also been fantastic. A new generation of players have been given the chance to flourish.

The signings made by BR have also looked great, with Borini being only a slight concern. However, I have faith in him coming good.

However, we do have problems and this was obviously something BR was tring to fix at the start of the season; getting goals.

I do believe we have significant firepower in our ranks; Suarez, Borini, Sterling, Assaidi, Gerrard, Shelvey and Sahin are all capable of scoring goals. Hopefully Saturdays game against Norwich will provide the catalyst we need for more goals.

While I have always been an optimist I do see something big happening under BR so patience and support must be given to BR and the team, even if some result do not go out way.

It would be nice to get an opinion of an ED?? and of fellow reds.


Cheers


JTR {Ed001's Note - I think Rodgers has a fair way to go before he can be considered great, but he has got us playing well, finally we got a result and the youngsters are being blooded. It all points towards a good future, but it is just a step on the road so far, the most important thing is that we keep it up.}


 

 

 
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