Liverpool Banter Archive September 03 2012

 

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03 Sep 2012 22:04:39
First we had the Luis Suarez affair, which was handled terribly and tarnished the clubs image badly.

Then we had the courting of Roberto Martinez / manager search, which the media lapped up and turned into a bit of a circus act.

Then in July our owners FSG announced on their own website that we had signed Clint Dempsey, only for them to back-track because it was clearly a pack of lies.

Last week we had all the deadline day shenanigans, which have gone down like a lead balloon with the clubs fans.

Is anybody else fearing another huge PR disaster when FSG release the forthcoming fly-on-the-wall documentry about our club?


Can't wait to watch it. its going to be this years blockbuster disaster documentary!


The Hiring of Damien Comolli.
Torres fiasco and eventual sale and the Carroll £35 million insane deal on deadline day.
The permanent hiring of Kenny Dalglish.
The buying of English players at astronomical prices.

Then all the things you said.


Got to admit i'm not looking forward to it.Never was a good idea in my opinion, a bit like financiers getting involved in football !! B


Do you have a app for mobiles?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 22:00:05
No point harping on about our transfer debacle it is what it is,if it were me id use gerrard up top we hav plenty mid field cover sahin allen hendo shelvey etc gerrard would do a job dont be surprised to see it and suarez pushed out wider..also i wouldnt have sent carroll on loan id have moulded him into a decent centre half it makes sense wins everything in the air,peace out..#1983#..


Could you mould Carragher into Messi for us, then?
Rigsby.


In fairness Stevie G would be f***ed within seconds playing up front against quality center-halves,too many miles on the clock at this stage.Leave Fabio at it,he'll come good !! B


Carroll could of been the man finishing from the final pass of the 30mil tika taka passes sideways and backwards...

Only mistake Rodgers has made imo. I like BR but I miss AC.

When he starts banging them in and we still in relegation battle we will look like real mugs.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:54:20
rodgers stated he needed probably 3 windows to get it right and for fans to be patient , hes making the right moves i.e allen n sahin , he shuda played shelvey yest and brought sahin on last 20. you all shud blame dalglish on our mess, he bought awfull last summer , terrible waste , 100mil plus,DISASTER
5gold stars


Go away blue in disguise. We all know Commoli only had £50m budget and raised the rest to buy from sales of Torres and Babel. Decent return considering first silverware and euro football. Can't see Everton doing that this year.

Fsg never invested more in transfers, all blue lies to stir us up But can't say the £28m already spent on non priority areas will help improve on two cups and European football. if Buck thinks it will take three windows that's being optimistic.

more like 2014/15. All those months of wages for Nil return next season? That's what I call investing. Amazed if fans will allow that to happen. i would count those months towards the cost of rebuilding, if you want to compare like with like add 24 months of salary together to get the TRUE cost of whatever Buck regards as success. KD only had one season to get result. So only fair to add wasted salary months to BRs cost of success.
Jmac


You are so anti-kenny. Blame if your in the frsme of blaming managers then blame RAFA. He signed so much over payed tosh that Kenny had to spend the first weeks offloading them.
derryred


I know a guy who sells windows


Did he really? What if he had bought Allen and then Damiao instead of Borini? Yes extra 10-15m but FSG might have paid for youngster like that.

Think about it.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:53:34
Please can everyone get a grip Rogers has been at the helm for 3 league games how many games was shanksd in charge before he won a game .We have been the laughing stock in the transfer market for too long (kean masssive loss Henderson £20 mil Doning £20 mil Carrol £ 35 mil Adams £9 mil ) if we have to endure a bit of pain to put a stop to this stupid wages and get the club back to former glories so be it but if you need to vent your anger look at moores and parry who lined their pockets and sold us to hicks and gillett ,look at kenny and comolli who made some overpriced buys in the transfer market .Rogers has got to be given time as the alternative is massive compensation and more upheaval we need to stand together and support the club through this rough time and just think on this anybody can support a team like Manchester united because they are where we used to be but real support is about being their when times are rough I supported Liverpool in Div 2 (shows how old I am ) and I would still support them in any division in any competition Red till Im Dead SUPPORT OUR CLUB


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:52:24
It's not the lack of goals we are scoring ,but the the amount we are shipping!

Last year we finished 8th in the table,scoring only 47 goals. Which was 1 more than Bolton and 1 less than Blackburn,who both went down!

Yet we had the 3rd best defence in the EPL,conceding 40,with only the 2 mank teams with a better record.the fact that our defence has been penetrated 7times in 3games is the big problem,that should be addressed now!

The transfer window is now closed,and it has left us very light up front,but we still have the same back 4,and keeper as we did last year.
Yes LUcas is a massive loss to the defensive structure of the team,but Rodgers needs to focus on this problem untill January,when the transfer window opens again.


I really think we need a new keeper, though reina has been great for us over the years, his form has been awfully for quite a long time, we should sell him now while he still has decent resale value and get someone younger


That is nothing to do with personnel it is more to do with us struggling with the BR defensive set up - full backs pushing too far wide and away from the centre backs and too far up the pitch
The central midfielders not finding space to collect the ball from the keeper or CBs

But you are right defence is a bigger concern than the goal scoring

Leam Red


Drop Reina and we will concede less.


My guess is Daniel and Martin aren't pushing high enough which can't be their fault because they have to judge where they are in ratio to the midfield who aren't closing down and winning the ball high enough.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:50:55
when u don't invest much then have to take risk. How much Jelavic cost ? mirallas score 2 goal in 1st match both doing well in everton.

hhh


Borini 2 x as much as Miralas but let's see who scores more goals this season.

We like to do things the hard way at LFC....
I just laugh nowdays. No point stressing.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:50:48
3 games in and ok not a succesful end to the window we spent no money so all the moaners r saying 15 mill allen 10 mill borini sahin on huge loan i do recall after getting sahin everyone was buzzing and excited about the way we were going we got rid of a player who had massive wages and lets face it wasnt ever going to play good move i think but br obviously believed we were going to replace him i believe br was let down as much if not more than us fans by ian ayre faffing around but with astarting 11 of reina,kelly,agger,skrtel,enrique,allen,sahin,gerrard,lucas when fit,stirling,borini,suarez,subs coates,johnson,downing,shelvey,morgan,henderson more often than not, the team isnt that bad no we might not cover ourselves in glory but we only played 3 games and we should of beaten city played not that bad against arsenal ok west brom was poor but anyone with a brain knew it was going to be an up and down season with the major problem being the team addapting to playing br style of football which in time will be no bad thing but that is the point it will take a while given he doesnt have the resources to go and buy a team of stars just hope people can give the time and with regards to fsg i believe in time u will c they r genuine dont forget the mess they pulled us out of 2 years ago to many fair weather fans about today if you can actually call them fans,the club needs our support not us slating them,cheers eds keep up the top work


Jesus, i stopped reading after 4 lines as there was no full stop, or commer and ran out of breath trying to figure out where and when the next sentance finished!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:50:20
A lot of fans want owners like Roman but they are very few and Roman is not only chelsea owner but he is very passionate chelsea fan who has got lots of money and knows in and out about footy his biggest drive is success for chelsea rather then make money at the same time he is most commited owner and longest in epl. Chelsea are running in losses for 8 years but he doesn't care as much as he wants success at other hand FSG are not liverpool fan or knew nothing about footy or liverpool before they bought they are here because of opportrunity of making money and will be run as bussiness they will not throw their own money even if we finish 4 or 6 or 8 coz for them its just another bussiness as for fans its their passion,love,part of family so why should FSG throw their own money at the same time we need to lower our expectation coz we will finish midtable for few years and try to achieve success within our reach rather then FSG throwing their own money


I wonder how man liverpool fans could up with maybe 5 more years of mediocrity. I know i couldnt.


An AK47 in one hand and Russian model in the other...


Abrahmovich new f.a. about football when he came to chelsea,in fact because of his constant meddeling he has cost them titles and cups,furthermore chelsea have bought their titles and cups,their fans complain that they dont get the respect they feel they deserve,i wonder why.so the question is do you want to bypass hard work and reality for a title only to be laughed at and sneered at and with no respect shown for your achievment


Our last 5 years have not exactly been spectacular have they? - i say give BR a chance, the team look to be playing good, attractive football again and it will take time, but did anyone honestly believe we would challenge for the title this year?!

As for those posts looking Heskey, Owen etc - are you serious?!! We may be light up front, but this is not the answer!! Personally I'm looking forard to what Yesil can do and Assaidi too, this will be a chance for our younger players to come through who WILL be the backbone of our (very successful) side in the years to come

Bill (Irish Red for life)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:55:35
So easy to spend other people's money isn't it? Just where do some people think all the money is coming from to fund these deals and wages?

Yes commercial revenues and the like are up but we have been running at losses stretching to the (£50m) going back a long while. This carries forward year on year, you don't start a new financial year at zero you "retain" your profit, or in our case, losses. Unfortunately losses mean no surplus money so the only way to fund your business is through debt via loans.

I'd rather the long term future of the club was secure then go through what we did under H&G again. None of us would run our company and business in that manner so why should LFC?

I know it's tough to watch City and Chelsea spend, spend, spend all the while etching further away from us but once these guys pull out they are in trouble.

A plan is in place and we have to be patient. I know fans want it yesterday but I am prepared to wait if that is what it takes.

Thanks, YNWA

Davey


Great post mate, i could not agree with u more!

billynwa


The loss's and debt were accrued under gillet and hicks. FSG didn't buy the club they acquired it by paying off the debt. Putting us back to zero.

Last season we made an accounting loss of £35m which was simply a write off of monies spent by G&H. Not an actually operating loss that would effect current cash flow or balance sheet.

Last summer we slashed £30m a year off the wage bill this summer we offloaded 9 players including high earners such as aqualini


Well said that man !! B


Let's see what happens to these amazing commercial revenue's when it finally sinks in that we are always going to be a midtable side going fwd. Half the worldwide fanbase gone.

Good for u and your investment FSG! Haha

{Ed002's Note - For the original poster the losses are "new losses" each year.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:54:48
Hey eds I've been thinking and was wondering if Liverpool where to approach a club and ask them their valuation of a striker for instance Darren bent of Aston villa ( I know he's not a target but hypothetically speaking) and Aston villa reply with say 15 million. Would it then be possible for the two clubs to come to an agreement (providing the player is whiling for the move to happen) to match that 15 million for the player to terminate his contract and then also offer up a minor signing on fee as part of the arrangement and get him as a free agent?

I think it would probably never happen but surely it's legal and could be a possibility?

I would like to hear your thoughts eds and everyone

Cheers
Gazman10


If his contract was terminated outside a window he cannot sign untill jan. So no point


Actually it depends on the reason for termination.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:54:25
Ed062 is Blair Mayne no doubt mate. {Ed062's Note - haha im not mate, trust me.}


The question you should be asking is who is the Real KB?

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:41:15
Eds please reply, this Danny Ward we signed from Wrexham in January, are big things expected of him or is he solely just for the youth teams?


Another hyped youngster but even with Ward, Gulacsi, Belford, Mersin et al, we will still buy a keeper to replace Reina next year....


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:43:38
All i have to say is give some of the youth players a go at the first team we give sterling a chance now every match he is near are best player behind the pass master thats joe allen but maybe brendan should look at the likes of adam morgan upfront he knows how to score. Other than that i feel frustrated with recent performences of late but we need to be patient and wait until january where strikers are needed no matter if therresale value wont be as great each league position adds 750,000 grand plus more money for champions league qualification- i hate the but buying van perie even though they wont get half as much when they sell him the goals he scores are valuble to beating teams which helps with competition meaning they could get the money they paid for him back in 2 years but still remain near the top while letting the youth players they have gain more experience and being ready to fill his boots after he is gone. I realise the owners have a long term vision but even if they splash out on one world class striker would help us to achieve champions league.

5stars


Suso for gerrard. Kelly for Johnson.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:43:33
What is the difference between the LFC and a toothpick?

A toothpick has two points!


Come on u can do better than that surely


What is the difference between you and a knob? There isn't one


In the 80's UB40 sang about the desperate unemployment of the time! 1 in 10, but LFC have beaten this by getting 1 in 9. That must be some sort of record I would have thought.


Clever! Though a toothpick will still have two points come May; we hope to pick up a few by then!


And your club is what then, pointless?!


That joke is genuinely old.


Posts one and three are boyh correct


That was pretty good...I'm a Reds fan and looking at the table is depressing but if we dish it out, we should be able to take the hits...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:42:02
FSGs popularity will be tested even further when the docu-drama comes out.apparently when kenny got sacked,if you remember he was flown out to boston for it,the makers of this documentry were tipped off about what was about to happen and got some film of his reaction moments after his sacking.if this turns out to be true,god help them.

RED JAY. {Ed062's Note - Kenny probably gave the directors consent so I wouldn't worry about it.}


Actually Ed062 you are wrong as consent for filming doesn't work like that. I know this from a professional perspective ;)

Consent would have been sorted out for primary persons prior to any filming taking place hence any subsequent filming can indeed be utilised regardless of whether the filmed parties want it to or not unless any editorial powers have been relinquished (very rare).

Given the filming party is Fox I have no doubt they followed standard procedures hence the consents would have been in place and the finalised program will not contain any clause for editorial by KD. It might however contain a level of editorial power for FSG and so it is feasible they might impact upon the finalised edit that goes to screen. {Ed062's Note - Oh right thanks for that mate}


FSG will be a disgrace if they show that...and if Kenny gave consent then that is sad


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:40:51
Rodgers is looking at John Carew who is out of contract, according to Norwegian newspapers.


Nothing to that rumour. Sorry.


Good grief. If this is true then BR must have completely lost the plot. Slow and lazy - why on earth would any EPL want him?
ND


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:28:50
Evening eds fellow reds, ,Is there any way that us as fans could get fsg to explain there plan for LFC , I think they raised our expectations when they moved kenny and clarkey on .because they said they didn't get in top four. So most fans think we will get there this season .but we wont .if they came out and said in five years time we will be pushing for top four then that takes the pressure off the team and BR ,and we know where we are at.cheerspsv


It's not just that Kenny didn't get into the top 4, it's that Kenny (and Commoli) spent over 100M and still didn't get CL. That's a staggering amount of money to inject in a squad and the result be negative in terms of league placement.


He spent just over 30 million. Simple maths.

Nick


Mate at the same time our net spend was 30/35M then you expect champions league we all know we need massive investment to turn this great club or else midtable its simple invest in order to reach our targets or except mediocore and hurt reputation of one of the proudest club in planet competing with stocks or wigan or aston villa


Wish people would stop saying they spent 100 million. We sold our best player for 50 million at the same time


^^^
I would love to hear a response from one of the above disagreers. What could you possibly disagree with?


No, they (Commoli and Kenny) pretty clearly spent over £100M (in my opinion wastefully).

I realize you're subtracting out the Torres/Babel money for reasons of your own (mainly to show the owners didn't invest on top of that as much as you'd like), but that doesn't change the outgoing cash amount was in excess of £100M for five players- Suarez at £23M, Carroll at £35M, Downing at £20M, Henderson at £16M and Adam at £8M. I'm not including Coates and Enrique as they're defenders and it's difficult to quantify their direct impact. If you don't believe the purchase of those particular players at those particular prices has led us directly to where we are now, then I don't even know what else to say.

The owners sprung a large war chest (regardless of it's origins as it's not relevant to this particular discussion) and had every rightful expectation that this would lead to an improvement in the club's standing, not a reduction in it.

Technically, the owners bought Torres (along with the rest of the club), so it's not like it was just a free £50M from Chelsea for Torres either.

I also think the owners and BR have been pretty clear on not expecting a CL spot either this season or likely the next either. We're a club that is rebuilding as we don't have a whole lot of assets to sell and are still carrying a CL-sized wage bill with an underperforming squad. This transfer window was phase 1 of that. There will likely be more before it is over as our wage bill must go down to supportable levels. By the same token, Ian Ayre and others have, to their credit, done a pretty decent job commercially getting in more revenue there. This year, Europa might help a tad as well, so it's by no means all bad news.


Torres our best player? Maybe 2 years before he was sold. He was dreadful the last 6 months he was here and hasn't improved much since. £50M for Torres may have been a worse deal than £35M for Carroll- at least Carroll may actually improve whilst Torres is only going to go the other way.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:26:13
Can I just address the fans that are calling for another upheaval of ownership and management?

Can they all just taking a f*ckin deep breath and calm down?

Instant success is not sustainable success. A lot of us Liverpool fans moan and complain about the likes of Chelsea and City "buying" the league but yet we expect our owners to do the very same. Remember that the great Bill Shankly (the last manager that successfully rebuild the club from nothing to then leave a legacy which was built upon by successive managers to achieve greater success than any other club in Britain until Souness came along) took almost 3 years to get Liverpool promoted to Division One.


Spot on with the first bit.


I think you can refer to the owners for creating the false impression that they wanted CL footie. After all, two cup finals and Europa cup footie wasn't apparently enough to stop them firing KD/Clarke after a season. Even though that was more than Newcastle and Spurs achieved. Or Everton for that matter. So surely it was because they wanted the big tournament...and the benchmark they set was that a season is as long as BR gets.

Now with todays letter we have the contradictory impression that they sanction the team selection not BR. Since BR obviously must surely have told them that a striker was imperative. Surely he told them that. In the summer, before the madness of the last day. Please let that be true.

I wonder if FSG realised BRs judgement was flawed when he prioritised purchasing midfielders for £28m (before the sales proceeds of strikers kuyt and bellamy, and their top goal assists midfielder Adam-did BR actually look at the facts there?).

Because today's letter says they didn't trust his judgement, or worse, didnt understand the team had been dismantled and that the teams below us last season were now our real competition. If Sunderland with Fletcher firing beat us, it will be bottom half at best. JW is on a cost cutting mission, you don't blow your investment as he us now doing, if you have long term interest. He wanted success last season now he doesn't want it this season. But in five plus years time. Which JW are we to believe. He is a hedge fund manager, a salesman who gets investors cash in to make them more money not to build a club over five years.....ring any bells...
Show me a successful club run by corporate money in a top league. They are all run by rich emotion led businessmen. Or by the fans, in case of Spain.
but def not a Hedge fund. Jmac


True but that was a different era. Times have changed its not the same


Mate.
You can't compare the time periods, a lot has changed in 50 years.


He wanted CL after spending a bunch of money on 6 first team players- Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Enrique, and Adam.

Yes, some of the cash came from player sales, but it doesn't change the fact that the net outlay was very big and thus with it come big expectations, including Top 4.

After the season was over and it was pretty clear that the money was not well spent since we ended up even lower than we were without spending it in the first place, the priorities changed since we didn't have a large salable asset we could use to generate funds (remember the fan reactions to just a rumor of Agger going a month ago?). Obviously without a massive investment top 4 is out for this season and I think they've been pretty clear on that. Probably not next season either, but the one after, perhaps.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:18:40
Ivan Klasnic is in talks with LFC


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:22:42
my name is brendon rogers , commander of the red army of the north , loyal serveant to the kop and successor to the true king, kenny dalglish , victim of a lying board and skint owners but i will get my signings in this window or the next ...
deano mcc


Watching it on itv 2 ya :)


Are you watching Gladiator on ITV2?

Bazingaa


Been reading Song of Fire and Ice, have we?


Yer top class film bud :)
deano mcc


A great movie speech that one...

nice deano...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:18:27
well guys i know alot of moaning has been about not signing a striker and i agree but we have shipped 7 goals in 3 matches which is the biggest consern.i think rodgsers should be playing 4-1-3-2 so we get extra cover for the defenders.any opinions guys?

redricho


Or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, all much the same thing once the game gets under way. I think there is an over emphasis on the structure. We keep getting done on the break because we keep giving the ball away with poor passing. Also, if you dont exert score board pressure, you add more pressure on your defensive unit. If you score, it puts the opposition on the back foot. Just my thoughts.

Andy K


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:11:50
Heskey on a free? Owen on a free? remember 2001!!


11 years ago and counting. No thanks.


Remember that was ELEVEN years ago?? dear lord


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:14:40
One of the biggest disappointments so far this season for me is Adam Morgan getting a 1st team appearance whilst Suso doesn't. Have they gone mad? What a disgrace! If we don't sign a player on a free I will be relieved to say the least because the ones that are possible just aren't good enough. Michael Owen, if we signed him and he didn't do well, it would only bring the moral down around the club, the press would have a field day and we'd eventually pay the consequences for a decision like that. Why not play Suso against Sunderland, let him come on as a sub for Gerrard or Borini, give the lad a bloody game now, it's getting really frustrating now especially when someone like him isn't inviting that much publicity, the team is playing better than I've ever seen them play in terms of patiently passing and moving the ball around the whole pitch, making themselves available, they're playing with more awareness of the other players around them. Something hasn't clicked up front and the media are taking this opportunity to crucify the most vulnerable, Suso is now most definitely needed! I pray for the club to do really well but this doesn't need prayers it just needs common sense.

Daniel Narciso YNWA JFT 96


Is Suso not suspended? {Ed062's Note - yh he is but i think it finished today}


Agreed. Suso is a natural No 10 and could play behind Suarez with Gerrard dropping deeper. He's just what Suarez needs and would allow him to play further up field. Alternatively he could play on the right with Sterling on the left and Suarez in the middle. Worth a go...


I wouldn't worry about Suso...he'll leave at the end of his contract...we haven't looked after him and there would be plenty of clubs after him and willing to give him opportunities


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:11:45
Hi Eds

I love these so called Liverpool supporters who demand that FSG spend 100s of millions on the team whilst building a new stadium, when in reality I suspect that the majority of them wouldn't even spend 45 quid on a ticket and spend match days either shopping or sitting on their armchairs moaning at the team.

I as everyone else was so disappointed on transfer day, however listening to John Henry it gave me a great deal of reassurance that we are being run by a sensible management team. I myself run my own business and try to run it as prudent as possible and over the years I have seen other similar companies splash the cash on expensive cars, and lavish lifestyles only to go bust as they build up massive debts.

As Mr Henry said we are in this for the long run and missing out on Dempsey is a small setback in the bigger scheme of things. Lets be patient and back the manager, we have never been supporters like Chelsea and Spurs who turn on their managers if they dont win every game. Us so called older supporters who can remember the good days need to educate our younger supporters and reassure them that if we build strong foundations now then we will reap the rewards later.
Just remember how much money has been wasted over the past number of years, Aquilani, Keen, Cole, Elzar, Poulson, Konchelski, Rodrigez, Kroncamp, Babel,Carrol and I could go on and on. All of these have drained Liverpools resources so please think before we judge.
Every body was jumping up and down when we didn't get sig and watching him play i am glad we didn't waste our money again, the same may apply to Dempsey.
The players we bring in have to be the right players at the right cost.

So lets give the owners some credit for being prudent and looking after our future and lets back the manager whatever happens in the next few months and take a chill pill and support our great club.

Evered


Point is mate every manager knows you live an die bye your results this is our worst start for 50 years you say sig is poor for spurs wasnt he a rogers target borini dosent look good enough and no one told him he had to sell all the players he has to leave the squad so thin why name three defenders on the bench where was pacheco and suso arnt they more creative then coates or carra its not all his fault but we deserve owners that buy the best rogers should either be backed or sacked they cant sit on the fence and blame platinis rules to save themselves a few quid


You say back be they didn't he wanted Dempsey


I couldn't agree more. We are caught between worlds. We want increased capacity but many are not willing to share or build a new stadium or sell naming rights to Anfield for redevelopment, but something has to give. We dont want debt like under H & G but we want to spend money we are not making in our own right yet, something has to give. We want to sign all these ready made new players but we want to give the youngsters a chance, something has to give. We cant have it all. Errors have and will be made however I believe in the direction we are heading and fully support the owners and manager and their plans. If it takes a couple of upper midtable years to position ourselves to become giants once again, then so be it. Red for life.

Andy K


45 pounds is alot of money for a rubbish match day to west-ham, or some bottom level team. Those are the only tickets open to none-season-ticket holders.


"we deserve owners that buy the best"

Madness! Do you truly believe that? No wonder other fans dislike us so much!

We don't 'deserve' anything! Other clubs look at our £100M+ spent last year on transfers (more than the worth of whole clubs below us!) and then see us moaning and groaning and must wonder what in the heck is wrong with those Liverpool supporters?

Why do you think the owners should just reach into their pocket and pull out a wad of cash to throw down on Cavani, Hulk, or some other flavor of the day? Because they 'owe' it to us? Because Chelsea's owner did? The sheer unadulterated petulance of that statement for me defines a lot of the 'FSG out' crowd.

RDL


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:08:33
Florent sinama pongolle will come in on a free he was looked at by Rodgers last year he may not be the best striker but at 27 he will be coming into his prime

Red rod


Read something about him being released by his club earlier this year... wasnt he in out youth / reserves a few years back?


Would not be the worst idea...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:07:50
Eds fellow reds , I follow Liverpool at all levels but apart from Morgan is there any more strikers from reseveres that could move up excluding Danny Pacheco.cheers psv struggling to think


Ngooooooooooooooo!!!
Tommy.


Ngoo?

Andy K


Ngoo is your man. I cant for the life of me understand why Morgan is in ahead of him. Morgan offers nothing in open play and doesnt seem a Rodgers player whereas Ngoo is more comfortable on the ball, quicker and much taller


 

 

03 Sep 2012 21:07:45
Think we have to put this striker option talk to bed...

suarez borini downing
assaidi sterling morgan
cole pacheco yesil

we may not have the experience, but we arent short of numbers

pacheco and cole are both good players that BR needs to work on polishing, and not the end of the world that we have to give youth a chance and find a few gems...starting with Sterling

in brendan we trust

Shushyboy


You can polish a turd but it's still a turd!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:48:36
The fact that yesil was not in the u21 squad for man city game,is he traning with senior squad if so could he be a option for a start with senior squad


He's away with Germany's U19


Mate. he just arrived a few days ago and hasn't had much time to train with the team.


He's on international duty


Yesil will have a part to play in the senior squad. Seemingly because of the lack of forward depth, however, most likely this has been Brendan's plan since his signing to boost the lad's morale with quick promotion.


He doesnt even have a kit number yet.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:47:55
In the current state of affairs, surely Michael Ngoo is worth a place on the bench? He looks the business!


Not ready yet maybe next season after a few cup games this term


He is further ahead in development than Morgan. Wont know until we try. Look at Sterling


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:47:45
Lets start "john henry lfc transfer fund" it can be a new fund that he can use to purchase players. We just need a paypal account and get fans to pay what they want into the fund and then henry will have money to pay for football


I agree , as FSG are so tight fisted , let us fans who love this club , buy players , FSG dont give a monkies about us !!


Would be a very interesting way of doing it! If all clubs did this way and could only spend money generated by fan funds, which club would have the biggest pot?


I think the fans should be allowed to that for one player. However they deserve a say on who the one player is.


Imagine... if every fan gave £5... :D
M-H


'which club would have the biggest pot' ->

ManU by a mile (assuming you mean fans around the world), at least out of the teams in the PL.

Seriously, though, take the idea to one of the official supporters groups and see if they'll run with it. The club is never going to ask, but I'm sure if even a few million could be raised it wouldn't hurt for the Winter window. Maybe ask the owners if they'd be willing to match what the supporters raise ;-)


Man Utd would have the biggest pot. lol


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:36:15
Why aren't LFC interested in Heskey until Xmas he is a free agent. I think it's a much better option than Owen at least he's not injury prone and is a good team player. Please no more nonsense about Drogba or Anelka this guys get over 200k per week


Toyally agree, finally a poster speaking sense


Yh!! lets all buy the slowest player in world football as he will be banging them in like messi!!!!!!!!


clm96p


I agree too i hadnt thought about it this way before.


He doesn't score goals like Owen, there's one reason.

John B


Yep, the system needs an immobile forward with little agility and speed who cant stay on his feet. Good plan. No problems with that logic at all.

Andy K


He is a shiiiiiiii player, that we just about got ride of.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:45:41
all the fans should get together and give John Henry a dollars and he can go out and buy a player. $1

he need a dollar, fans should put hands in pockets and then give the money over or shut up. John is not spending his own money. its the fans money and if the fans cant pay for it, then stop complaining


Whom can we sign using dollars?


Clinton Dempsey . Ha ha ha ha ha ha


Robbie Keane


Bryan McBride?


Dempsey ...........andy.


I keep hearing that liverpool has 40,000,000 world wide supporters. So if every fan gave a pound to John Henry, then he could buy a striker.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:42:03
We are liverpool football club and not that long ago players would give their right arm to put on the famous red jersey.
Now we are searching the globe for players that are out of contract or ready for the nursing home.
That's why a lot of fans are pissed off and rightly so , they are entitled to an opinion just like the fans who will back the club no matter what happens.so don't tell them to go and find another club to support because if you lot had your way we would be in the conference league and saying just give it more time and we will be winning the champions league again.
Rant over!!


To let Carroll go on loan before we get a replacement is criminal,look at the top clubs squad and look at ours,wer slipping further behind every season and cant compete in the transfer market,to get rid of Carroll and get Heskey or Owen is lunacy,hope we can turn it around.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:34:18
Liverpool Football Club....a summary;
Negatives;
- Sh!t reputation.
- No strikers
- Limited investment
- Painfully thin squad
- Mugs in the transfer-market
- Living on past glories
- Desperate (Owen, Heskey ??)
- Reina, Carragher, Gerrard, Johnson, Enrique, Downing and Cole not good enough (spine?)
- Matchday support not very inspiring mostly
- Dodgy defence (Skrtel is crap t.b.h.)
-Expensive "match-experience" for the fans.
- No information on the "stadium-issue" !!
- Rapid decline from Premiership contenders to mid-table obscurity (Swansea, WBA, Everton, QPR, Southampton etc. are our main "rivals")

Positives;
- Good, young manager with a "Shankly-style" ethos who has totally embraced the Club with an enthusiasm which puts many of us so-called "supporters" to shame.
- New/old style of football which has actually looked impressive apart from the fact that we haven't, currently, got the personnel to carry off this style of football. A couple of transfer-windows will get rid of those who don't play the right way and will bring in Brendan's choices.
- Loads of freed-up cash squandered on wages for the likes of .....well, we all know who we needed off the wage-bill and a lot of good work has ensured past mistakes have been (partly) put right.
(The Transfer Window system (January & Summer only) is a relatively modern concept which we've struggled to master. Being a big club in a time-bounded market does you no favours value-wise. The out-of-date King Kenny and the completely inept Commoli fell victim to all of this. They were on the back-foot anyway with trying to rid the Club of Rafa's less astute buys. At the same time they were looking to fulfill Kenny's dated philosophy that British youngsters were the way forward. A costly mistake we are doing very well to rectify.)
- We have a decent young squad......Sterling is immense, Allen is fantastic, Shelvey is becoming a natural successor to Gerro. Kelly, Robinson and Flanagan are very decent young squad-players. Assaidi will make his mark and give us much-needed width.
- Coates will be a top centre-back
-Lucas Leiva will recover from his injury
- Nuri Sahin is our rough-diamond. Not match-fit at the moment but his pedigree suggests he could even be a legend (albeit on loan).
- Assaidi will be a very decent winger.
- Downing is improving
- Agger looks less fragile
- Luis Suarez is World-Class

More positives are the reserves we have coming through look very capable of "making it".
And the owners, although detached geographically, seem to be keen to engage with the supporters.

The negatives and the positives will wrestle with each other until there's an obvious winner.
Little things can sway the balance.....if Suarez and Allen get injured/suspended long-term we are pretty screwed.
If we get someone like Drogba on a free and stay healthy.....who knows?

I've decided to adopt a neutral stance because I don't think it's time to light the distress flares just yet. It's not over till Jan Molby sings !

ANFIELDPETE


Would KD and his coach Steve Clarke have let their main striker go, then wonder why they didn't have options because they prioritised buying two midfielders (Borini/Allen) during the summer.

There was a balanced team at the start of the season that had just experienced winning silverware for first time in years. Handing BR euro football. BR is now a laughing stock.

Does he seriously expect us to believe he has any control after todays letter. HE WAS NEVER getting a striker. He effectively relied on the owners to pick the team if he signed off Carroll without cover in place. He had no idea who was coming in based on his own statements. That's some visionary we have.

Say what you like about KD they spent around £60m NET after babel and torres, to get to two finals and euro football. After years of failure to win anything. thats about how much it costs to win in the epl. A club like Liverpool should easily be making operating profits to cover that over two year period.

BR has now dismantled the engine that gave Lfc the third best defence in 2011/12 season. What's BRs plan to fix that while he is worrying about how to score. Job too big for him. Tried to do four yearswork in four weeks. Unfortunately he looks Amateurish. Lucky there isn't a bad manager of the month award. Meanwhile manager of the month so far, Mateo or Clarke?


Just about everything, in a nut shell. Good post I think. Looking down the lists, it's pretty obvious we need 2 things - an unknown period of time, and a few positions to be filled by quality players (striker and left back - maybe a better no2 keeper). With these 2 things, most of the problems will look alot better.

We cannot have any more wholesale changes, we need stability more than anything else.

Nick


Ridiculous post.

First, Borini is not a midfielder.

Second, Commoli and Kenny spent ~£102M on Carroll, Suarez (who was really a Hodgson target), Henderson, Downing, and Adam. This lethal combo produced all of 19 goals and 23 assists over the 11/12 season.

Now it's not a fair comparison since it's 4 people versus 5, one of whom only had half a season, but Newcastle's Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, and Cabaye cost them ~£20M and produced 38 goals and 20 assists over the same time frame.

The combo of Kenny and Commoli were given a huge amount of money (where it came from is not relevant) and bought very, very poorly with it. Their remit was CL, which, given the sheer amount provided by the owners (again, it doesn't matter the source of the money) should have been feasible.

Now BR is having to sell to buy, and, as we have very little of actual value to sell, is having to be very creative. You can't blame the owners for the poor acquisitions, but I suppose it is fair to criticize them for their appointments of Commoli and Kenny which led us to this point.


They did mate, FERNANDO TORRES!and then to make things even worse they went and paid £35 million for a £10 million pound striker who is suited to a long ball stategy games,they then paid £20 million for downing to supplly the ammunition with his left boot ,so they continually play him on the right to cut in and shoot?WTF?They then signed Adam to supply the long ball to AC from the middle and Henderson to do the same from the right.A total bloody disaster.

That sir is what KD and his coach Steve Clarke did do!!

In BR I trust


RedMurf


How is Borini a midfielder ?


Who the **** let babel and torres go? {Ed062's Note -


Dismantled the engine?
its being re-built from scratch mate because the previous owner had driven it like they stole it!!


All i can say is -Expensive "match-experience" for the fans. You right on, we pay too much to go see a mid-table team.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:33:55
:0 zenit just signed hulk didn't expect thatt?!


Two hundred thousand nicker a week, money talks not history


Thought this was a joke at first, but guess not. Witsel as well looks like.


It's incredible.
Rigsby.


I like Zenit...good on them if they can match it financially with the other rich clubs


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:13:31
Evening eds and fellow reds...

I have just read on caught offside that Liverpool are in Emile heskey, please can eds002 shed some light and confirm that this rumour on caught offside is not true? {Ed002's Note - If you really, really want him I guess it can be made to happen.}


We should get no one in.
we have plenty of yougsters and a 19 man squad, shuffle the pack and play players in their best position.we should be able to cope untill January. If we cannot buy who we need in the striker position in January , bite the bullet and bring back Andy Carroll (if he would come) This will need loads of support and will show how good a manager and our true fan base are

Bobbinred.


I would suggest the author is p1ssing himself laughing at that one, and at anyone that takes it seriously or repeats it on another site.

Andy K


I'm just waiting for Borini to be played in the middle with Suarez on the wings...Rodgers still hasn't realised it yet


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:35:00
Hi Eds,

Why is it that Royston Drenthe is still unsigned? I can only assume he has severe discipline issues/unreal contract expectations because while he is not amazing, he is certainly good enough to play for decent teams.

Also is it true that David Suazo is being looked at by Stoke & Bolton?

Cheers guys,
ForzaRed {Ed002's Note - The primary reason is money.}


He is a lunatic


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:43:52
John W Henry's open letter to Liverpool supporters:

what did you think, for me John Henry is very well polished in his performance. Having had experience owning Boston Red Sox & Nascar.

The real reason why a man like John Henry would ever got involved in a English football club? he has little or no understanding of football/soccer? Became a fan after he purchased the club.

Well to put it basically. It looked like a good deal, to increase the size and focus of NESV. Use community based resources to increase revenues and profits for NESV. Have sports franchisee ever made any real money? No not for the amateur any way.

The bigger reason may be free publicity for John Henry.The public spotlight on him. Nothing gets your name out their like English Football team ownership. What is the real value of £200million in advertising terms.

As a commodities trader at heart, 95% of his potential clients live and trade in London. Henry is a gambler at heart and has made his money gambling other peoples money in a very risky manner. Too risky for many pension funds to handle. Yet with Liverpool he has little or no ambition to take the risks needed to get the club back into champions league. in fact this approach has been slow and cautious with little insight into the inner workings of a football club.

Fenway Sports Group was his way of getting his name into europe. This may of been a poor move by a man who purchased a football club he has little or no passion for. Fenway sports group may be able to transform the business side into a money making machine (sprung more money out of fans)

He has little or no knowledge of football and more importantly has the wrong people in place who should offer him this information. In fact he seems to have gone out of his way to remove this kind of knowledge from the football club in the manner the got ride of Kenny Dalgish and Steve Clarke.

Will they come good in the long run? honestly no, while they fail to invest in extreme scouting network and keep make short term nee jerk decisions. They will create more of the same. Expect Liverpool to be relegated this season with 7 good players and 5 average ones. The quality or numbers are lacking.

Surviving may be more important than playing good football.


That's a disgrace!
Go support city or Chelsea!
Get a calculator out and look how much money they have thrown at Liverpool! No what I'd count as free advertising! Use your brain before your fingers.

Swedish Adam.


The finacial risk of investing money into the club is not the only consideration. If FSG invested £200m for transfers we would be thrown out of the league we desperately attempt to qualify for.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:43:00
Rodgers is out of his depth same as AVB at chelsea he is very stubborn and will lead to his downfall eg

433 is not working we don't have players for his systeam but still continues playing

Borini needs to play center and suarez wide even blind can see but Rodgers can't coz of his stubborn

And most important fans shouldn't blame our owners coz rodgers wanted striker and he chose borini for £11M which owners backed him in order to solve our goal scoring problems why should they spend again for same problem coz borini doesn't look scoring but ed52 sayed he is a 25+ goal scorer


That 25+ must have been he's age


You've given him 3 games. Nice one.


Another one


433 not working? we are only 3 games into the league...at least give them a chance to adapt to it first

Bazingaa


Support BR and LFC ,
DONT SUPPORT FSG , NO INVESTMENT
FSG OUT !! {Ed062's Note - you really dont read the posts do you? they have put so much money into this club yet its still 'fsg out'}


Borini is not a striker. He poses no threat to top half teams. AC threatened defenders , making space around him. Borini doesn't. The knock on effect is midfield has to compensate, and exposes defence, which most top half teams will capitalise on.
What was Johnson doing in the Arsenal game. Hardly Gerrards fault Johnson so out of defensive position, answer he was trying to score, and make up for weak forward line.
How could BR deliberately damage what was the third best defensive engine in 2011/12 season. Did he even know that? Did he think he could make it better! That is worrying, if he actually thought he could. All the while the strikers were being shipped out the door. If defence was working that well, conceding fewer goals except for the Mancs, all that required prioritising was the forward line....Jmac


The long essay back to this post was from me Alsky thought I'd leave a name b4 I get slatted for not leaving a name. Everyone at anfield and around the world stick together and let our proud roar be heard. Let anfield show so much support for everyone connected at club! Don't fall in a media trap


Alsky :)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:37:41
I would just like to issue a welcome back message to the "search bar" that can once again be found at the top of the page :D

rrrRedAlert


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:34:37
I see a lot of anti-FSG posts on here telling the owners to 'sell up'. I presume this to mean a reference to a Roman Abramovich-type who is passionate about their club and has gobs of money they are willing to throw at it. While that would be amazing, do you not think that a bit impractical? Who is this mysterious benefactor with deep pockets and money to burn? Pretty sure if such a person existed, all they would have to do is jingle Mr. Henry and offer a check for ~£500M and the club would be theirs.

My alternate suspicion is that it's less about what the owners have done and about the fact that they are simply American. Grow up. A football club is a business, no different from any other. Revenues in should be greater than costs, otherwise you've got a major problem on your hands (unless the anti-FSG crowd are able to locate the international billionaire of mystery described above, then who cares- spend away!). You don't need to be able to describe the offside rule to understand that and whether the owners can expound upon the intricacies of a 4-2-3-1 versus a 4-3-3 is completely irrelevant.

The owners have made mistakes certainly. The went with Kenny to appease the supporters and they appointed Commoli who combined to blow through £100M+ in what has turned into an utter fiasco of money mismanagement, now leaving the new manager in a bad situation where he more or less needs to sell to buy but has no resources of value to sell (unlike our closest competitors financially in Spurs and Arsenal who have plenty of value remaining in their squads).
Perhaps they've left Ian Ayre in charge for too long (personally I think they have) as well, but time will tell if that perceived mistake gets rectified.

Undoubtedly they (and the managers and the players) will make further mistakes in the future and equally they will likely continue to receive a metric ton of harassment from those claiming to be supporters. If I were them, I would be looking at options to leave (which would likely result in much unpleasantness) or perhaps consider just saddling the club with debt via loans we can't afford to buy a bunch of players to appease the supporters and let the next guy worry about balancing the books when it doesn't work out as it would be far easier than taking a bunch of crap from some who obviously are completely incapable of just being appreciative. Why should they offer up interest free loans to the club to service it's debt (which they've done in the past)? If we don't support them and are in fact blatantly doing the exact opposite, why should they provide any sort of support to the club at all?

RDL


Totally agree man, had enough of bitching year after year. Its a business and in a few years as FIFA rules kick in we'll be in a better position due to a few seasons rebuilding sensibly. We don't 'deserve' success, it is something earned and it will not come without a few hiccups along the way and some harsh lessons learnt...the tide is changing and it will be a lot different in a few years I reckon. And it just gets old keeping on crying like spoilt children that we should be given all the top players who are ever available. We need to rebuild sensibly, it will take time, Rodgers will be fine and the owners are better than many others we could have and I think will be proven right in the long term. Its really sad that people are getting so upset about the transfer window, its gone, man up and deal with it. What happens now is people need to be a supporters and get behind the team and manager. All this 'Yanks out' bs is just comical. Mark my words, we'll build something solid whilst other teams shaky foundations will eventually crumble and I mean the Abramoviches and oil billionaires who will get bored. Shankly had to build it up, so too will this regime. Just how it is so people can either accept it or go support someone else. Because when we are back on the rise, Man U will likely be crumbling. Its going to be interesting. Keep the faith. Seriously stay calm and don't get so upset about something like this people. Your either a man or a pussy about it all. There's guys fighting for their lives in our military and so on around the world and some people are crying because we lost a couple games, didn't get Dempsey and have a bit of a drama going on. Its really only a game, but one we'll win if we get a grip and just take a breath and chill out. Youngsters will get chance (which loads of people have wanted) and we'll just have to build character and toughen up. I'd rather support a team that has this attitude than one that cries if their daddy does not give them money to go shopping with. Work hard, earn it and appreciate the success that may not come tomorrow but surely will when we have truly worked for it.


FSG OUT !!
we are a club with no debts , massive fan base , lots of rich arabs and oligarcs out there ,
lets hope some one comes in and buys us out
FSG OUT !!!


Dear FSG Out-

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. There's lots of 'rich arabs and oligarcs' out there? Surely you're joking?

RDL


No debts BECAUSE of FSG! relax yourself coz when we start winning things your going to be all "well done FSG we did it the proper way" relax! Hold your head up high as WE walk through this storm! WE will pull through if WE ALL support each other! The team, the owners, the staff, everyone needs support! When the people who are lucky enough to be there at anfield watching Liverpool play sit there in silence it absolutely kills me! I wish I could be there week in week out cheering and supporting the boys on to send them good vibes! Come on and let's start sticking together & not let the media win & make us doubt our club or argue with each other and bring morale down. The media want to bring us bad publicity so let's not contribute to their stories by them hearing moans and groans let's here them say how fantastic our support is and believe me with fantastic support from the fans that buzz will go to the players on the pitch! How do you think we won the European cup in Istanbul?


People on here are very naive if they think the rich and famous clubs will be in trouble when the FIFA rules come in...do you seriously believe that FIFA - which is vulnerable to corruption - would punish teams like Barca, Real, Milan, United, Chelski etc? Teams that are used for marketing and showcasing football around the world?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:34:34
do i sense a civil war
theres only one thing for it
FIGHT

harry hill


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:34:03
Dear Mr Henry
Admirable & honest as your letter was. Your ideas for our club's future is a sound one but I need to remind you of our treble winning season was due in no small part to a short term signing, one Gary McAllister. Have a strategy but have a contingency plan too, every successful business does!
Foxxy68 {Ed002's Note - They did check, but Gary McAllister was not available.}


Yep, that covered us for that succesful year. What did we have to do after that? We have had to continue spending. Over and over and over. Rafa wanted more money every year, Kenny spent a fortune in his one year. Not a great plan for sustainability or building an empire. Just short term thinking.

Andy K


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:33:32
hindsight-a wonderful word-applying it from the Arsenal game- Sahin did not look fit to me, yet straight into the team. Shelvey is the man - cannot fault his determination - on current form-he should be a first choice midfielder


Sahin will not become fully fit sitting on the bench. He is a top class footballer, and the sooner he is back to his Dortmund form the better. But he will play regardless. Shelvey should not start. His impatience and aggressiveness will punish the team, and his determination is best for desperate end-game attacks.


Yep Shelvey is going to be world class


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:32:38
Not being funny, but relegation will fix all of liverpool wage problems. Like Newcastle, they went down and started selling anyone and everyone. We can do the same.

The fans would never accept Gerrard leaving, so if the club go down, they can off load him for next to nothing. im sure Manchester utd would take him on a pay as you play basis. Also we have other big earners who are sucking the club dry like Luis Suarez. its time to sell them all and start with nothing.

We can build a team around spearing, sterling, kelly. some other players from the youth team. It will be the best thing for the club in the long term.

The cost of relegation from the Premier League

TV REVENUE: £21m per year

The biggest shortfall facing any relegated club comes from the loss of television revenue. The bottom club in the Premier League can expect to earn around £40m in United Kingdom and overseas broadcast income. In the Championship, the figure is around £3m. The Premier League soften the blow by giving parachute payments to relegated teams for the four seasons following their relegation. For the first two years, the payment is £16m per year; for years three and four it drops to £8m per year. So for the first season following relegation, teams will lose round £21m in television revenue.



MATCHDAY REVENUE: £nil

This is unlikely to be too badly affected for the relegated clubs. Attendances will fall but this may be offset by the fact that there are four extra home games in the Championship. Most teams' fans stay loyal, at least for the first season in the lower division.

COMMERCIAL: £4m per year

Sponsors may have 'relegation clauses' written in to their deals with clubs, which mean they pay less, and perimeter advertising becomes harder to sell. Clubs can expect on average to lose around £4m a year.

TOTAL LOSS: £25m per year

In total, clubs are likely to find that revenue diminishes by around £25m for the season following their relegation. This sum will increase with each passing season in which they fail to win promotion, especially once the four-year entitlement to parachute payments comes to an end. So the figure will rise to £33m per year and then £41m per year after that compensation ceases. Clubs will attempt to balance this loss by reducing their wage bill, and most Premier League clubs will have player and manager contracts which mean salaries are cut in the event of relegation.


You mate need to give your head a wobble. Your saying the best for us as a club is to get relegated? What planet are you on?

I would rather keep our best players and add to that over the seasons whilst getting rid of the players that dont fit the system and also implementing the youth into the squad.

If we had you as an owner/manager with no ambition and complete lack of common sense we would end up like leeds.

Sorry for the rant but that must be the most personic post I have read since patrice evra was linked with us this summer :S


Sterling and Kelly would not stay in the event of relegation, and clubs buy relegated players for small fractions of their value. Relegation, though it would not destroy the club, would hugely weaken the global fanbase, and set the club back a number of years.


Did Newcastle not keep most of the top players on big dosh?


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is all i have to say to this post

clm96p


We can sort the wage problem out easily. All we have to do is get rid of the high earners who don't offer much like Reina, Gerrard and Carragher. I think Reina is on around 90k, Gerrard on 130k and Carragher on around 60-70k this means that in the FIRST SEASON we save 4.7m for Reina, 6.8m for Gerrard and 3.4m for Carragher. Add all that up and that gives you around 14m saved up on wages. This doesn't even include transfer costs we could get for Reina and Gerrard which could be around 20-25m extra.

BthekingB


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:31:50
Have i missed something? I swear last time i checked we'd only played 3 league games. {Ed062's Note - not according to some of the posts on here!}


You'd think there was only 3 games left mate the way some so called fans are going on and on

Kev.


Your right mate last time I checked it was the worst start. In league for FIFTY YEARS AL LEAST RODGERS IS BREAKING RECORDS


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:30:46
Is hernan crespo an option?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:26:32
Hi guys, Arsenal fan here coming in peace. It's been tough going being a Gunners fan the last few years and I guess it has been for you too. I really hope that your great and proud club can sort themselves out and get back to where you belong, fighting on all fronts. Football times have changed but we stand by our clubs through thick and thin.
Hope your season improves because football needs Liverpool to be great again.


Never bin a gooner, scouser in disguise.


Fair play lad, through thick and thin is how a supporter should support. The fickle nature of football fans and media - if we had managed to convert something early in the game and got the 3 points then we would be reading loads of posts about being on the up and Arsenal would have been the club in crisis...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:26:32
henry an fans on here keep saying we need to balence the books because the club is running at a loss!
why are we running at a loss is because we arnt in the champions league!
we arnt in the champions league because hicks gillette stop funding rafa, no to silva an villa when 20 mill would of got them here an cemented us at the top!
40 mill champions league pot each year now goes to man city an spurs one year an proabably next year as well!
fsg answer to this problem is slash the books an hope a young manager can work miracles on a shoestring budjet!
they are cementing us as a middle table team like aston villa everton!
call me a fake fan if you want 4 not likeing this but i think it sticks liverpool fc desreves better!
deano mcc


Were loosing money under Rafa and CL! {Ed002's Note - Sure.}


Villa & Silva would have been greatly beneficial to the club. Just as Cristiano Ronaldo and Falcao would have been. But missed opportunities are best forgotten. FSG are obviously unwilling to stoop to the level of Mansour Al Nahyan in manufacturing questionable sponsorship deals, and must accordingly comply with FFP. We must operate within our means, and rely upon the Academy and scouting to supply players of the future.


I dont think you are a fake fan at all, I just think that is very limited thinking. Do you remember Leeds? That was the mentality they worked with and look at what happened to them. I would say 'be patient', unfortunately many dont actually understand what this means.

Andy K


We lost money under hicks an gillette due them taking out a massive loan on are club!thats massive mis management,rafa got us to to 2 champ league finals 50/60 mill a semi 45mill a quarter final about 40 mill,i think he had the right to buy some players with that money?
deano mcc


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:23:48
Danko Lazovic is our best option! Check him out. The Humgarian bloke that one of the Eds mentioned cannot be traced on google.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:16:50
Talk is the ex Bolton Player Owen to Stoke no chance of drogba


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:09:40
can andy carrol come back in january


 

 

03 Sep 2012 20:01:38
Boo! Boooooo! Lucas is rubbish!! BOOOOOOO

Only Brazilian that cant play football!! Booo Get rid booo!

Remember this ? Remember the flak the lad got from the boo boys. They wanted his head, wasnt good enough, not fit to wear the shirt I remember hearing. It took him alot more than 3 games to fit in.

Rather than call for people to go, why dont you support your team. Lucas is now one of out best and most vital player. But thank god we showed some patience so please show some now!


Agree - however the same could be said about andy Carrol, jay Spearing, charlie Adam, Dirk Kuyt etc etc.
Where was the faith from BR in Andy Carrol -we have no attacking options. ridiculous situation


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:58:34
Having read Henry's letter can someone explain to me how signing Dempsey would have put the club in financial jeopardy? It was 6 million? Surely we can afford that. I would've liked the truth. Surely we are owed this much, I'm not surprised Fulham didn't accept our derisory offer, we were trying it on and Dempsey lost patience. Being stubborn has maybe cost us/you dearly fsg.

Gazman


The whole deal will cost spurs 15M. wages will be more than fee. for 29 year old with 1 good season under belt and no sell on value.


To be fair mate a don't think he could of been more truthful. personally i'm pitty happy what he said.
lets stand back and look at the bigger picture, these guys have done a hell of alot for the club up to now and seem to have the best interests in the club for the future.
yes they took a risk letting carol go before getting cover but hey you win some you lose some.lets just see where we are at end of season before we go judging buddy!
chris


6 mil + wages for 2- years and no sell on value.


The asking price was £5 to Liverpool as the player want to join Liverpool and that was a bid accept by Fulham from Vila. our so call business man bid for £3m. now they can use £5m to bring a man for 6 month :)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:58:04
to me Christian Purslow seems like a guy who was very much on the ball. Tom Warner and Ian Ayres are the real issues at the football club.

nesv has been a good thing for the football club, they bought a club and john henry seems to be a good figure head for nesv. I just have a problem with the footballing people he has left to run the football club. They are very poor at the footballing end of things.

Get ride of Tom Warner + Ian Ayres. They need to goo. Tom warner OUT


If you think Purslow was on the ball you are deluded


The same Purslow that was trying to sell Lucas? Yeah, dead on the ball him

nesv = FSG
Tom Warner = Tom Werner

no nothing clown


Why don't you stop supporting our club, we seriously do not need people like you! PJ


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:55:43
Reports that Del Piero has not signed for Sydney and is in talks with Olympiakos. Could he be an option for us if wages are reasonable? He might be 37, but he can still finish.

Brian from Birmingham


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:53:44
why are we not offering del piero a nice big one year contract?!?!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:51:43
need drogba or anelka badly even heskey do for a plan b, a joke getting rid of carroll a 35m striker.. rodgers hasnt a clue saying borini a better player..all fans need a reality check can see us drawing against sunderland & losing to man u,


This is getting ridiculous now.

Kev.


Carroll had not proven to Rodgers that his wages would not be better spent elsewhere. Calling him a £35m stiker is misleading; Rodgers clearly did not value him as such. I can't recall Brendan ever saying Borini was a better player than Carroll. You frustration is understood, however, please check your pessimism at the gate if you ever visit our stadium.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:14:58
Hi Eds! This is not transfer related, but nevertheless - do you guys know when tickets are available for the Europa League match vs. Young Boys in Bern? Of course, I'm looking for tickets in the Liverpool section. Will tickets be sold online at liverpoolfc.tv and if so, are there any requirements? Thanks in advance, appreciate your work!

Cheers, Jack from Switzerland {Ed002's Note - I don't but I guess one of the others will.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:04:28
Hey eds..don't u tink we need a director of football..fsg shud really think of getting one cos what happened transfer deadline can't repeat itself..and I also need u to explain to me why d press keep saying we spent 100m under kenny..we also sold torres meireles and babel to get almost 60m back.our net spent was like 40m don't rili gt why rodgers did not have like 50m to spend dis summer {Ed002's Note - It is simply erroneous structure and in the big scheme of things means nothing. If you insiste, both Super Stevie Nicol and Dennis Wise are available.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:52:05
Hey eds and fellow reds I've been thinking and was wondering if Liverpool where to approach a club and ask them their valuation of a striker for instance Darren bent of Aston villa ( I know he's not a target but hypothetically speaking) and Aston villa reply with say 15 million. Would it then be possible for the two clubs to come to an agreement (providing the player is whiling for the move to happen) to match that 15 million for the player to terminate his contract and then also offer up a minor signing on fee as part of the arrangement and get him as a free agent?

I think it would probably never happen but surely it's legal and could be a possibility?

I would like to hear your thoughts eds and everyone

Cheers
Gazman10 {Ed002's Note - No, it really does not work that way.}


Gazman illegal, unethical and immoral. I can't help but like him.


It should be illegal to try and sign Darren Bent, full stop.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:30:30
ed02 you mentioned a hungarian forward szalmaszal megragaova . ive got to be honest ive never heard of him, ive tried the search button , but nothing. could you tell us what you know about him please? many thanks steviep62 {Ed002's Note - One of the world's most desirable strikers and available on a free.}


Ed02,
Is he by any chance related to the Russian free agent, Pullma Legov?

Redjinal


Do an Hungarian translation on it Stevie.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:48:24
Is Didier Drogba heading to Liverpool>

Words are cheap, and John Henry knows it, so if he wants to improve the situation quickly with little effort. then why not offer drogba 89k for 3 seasons and £5million as a sign on. It might be a very quick short term solution that may not work with the current squad like andy carroll, but why not purchase a big name and put the supporter back in place. At the end of the day, fans are stupid people who want big names.


Drogba 89k for 3 seasons and £5million as a sign on

Absolutely no way should we offer that sort of deal for Drogba. 1 season on £50k per week, and he can like it or lump it.


3 seasons would be personic with Drogba, he'll be 37 by the end of it. Chelsea wouldn't even offer him 2 seasons for a reason.

And he'd want more than 89k a week anyway.

- Something Red -


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:46:24
hI eds...

I would like to say fellow reds its time we do what r great song says and dont let the team think they are walking alone at this difficult time, are support needs to get back to the level it once was the negativity around the club just wont lift this is going on imo since 2007 when rafa spelt out how bad hicks and wicks were, now the new owners imo r no way near as bad as them clowns but wtf have they done leaving us short up front,everyone needs to learn from this and make sure it doesnt happen again so are support needs improving as well as the way club buisness is run.Tommy Irish Red Y.N.W.A


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:45:59
hi eds and LFC fans i would like to take a little toll as you all know we lack attacking options. so del piero on a free? agree if you would take him disagree if not.

M-H


To old now mate once was great but wouldn't cope with pace of prem now or maybe back then


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:45:20
Out of all the free agents I've heard, I'd only take Ivan Klasnic. There really aren't many more clinical strikers than him...

Stone YNWA.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:33:52
All this Sturidge roumers , I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but when Torres left was Sturidge no offered as part of the deal but said he did not want to move to us ?

Also just read what JH wrote, I do agree with what he says in general, but we needed a goal scorer last season and that has not changed, but yes we have got some good players in, once settled things will be better, Allen has been worth every penny, let's hope we do enough to get someone in January

kevc


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:30:52
With record sponsorship deals with standard chartered and warrior plus chevrolet and jack woofskin ect.
A stadium that is full every week,television rights,a smaller squad,a massively reduced wage bill a relative small transfer budget compared to many other premier teams a global fan base to rival any club in the world,a top ten listing in the richest clubs in the world how do we find our selves in this mess.where is the money going and who's bank account is swelling as a result.
I agree with some of the things that john henry said today but I feel it is too much too soon and now we are going to struggle until january.
Wasn't the re it for any new owner who bought the club was to promise a new stadium and investment in the first team and squad. Well don't hold your breath on a stadium or re development when we can't even get a proven goalscorer for 6 million.
Mr henry if you are not fully committed to the cause then please put the club up for sale.
This is still one of the biggest clubs in the world but week by week you and your fellow investors are destroying this club and we will be battling the likes of villa and wigan just to stay in the league.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:33:52
All this Sturidge roumers , I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but when Torres left was Sturidge no offered as part of the deal but said he did not want to move to us ?

Also just read what JH wrote, I do agree with what he says in general, but we needed a goal scorer last season and that has not changed, but yes we have got some good players in, once settled things will be better, Allen has been worth every penny, let's hope we do enough to get someone in January

kevc


The club were not interested in taking on Sturridge at that time.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:30:52
With record sponsorship deals with standard chartered and warrior plus chevrolet and jack woofskin ect.
A stadium that is full every week,television rights,a smaller squad,a massively reduced wage bill a relative small transfer budget compared to many other premier teams a global fan base to rival any club in the world,a top ten listing in the richest clubs in the world how do we find our selves in this mess.where is the money going and who's bank account is swelling as a result.
I agree with some of the things that john henry said today but I feel it is too much too soon and now we are going to struggle until january.
Wasn't the re it for any new owner who bought the club was to promise a new stadium and investment in the first team and squad. Well don't hold your breath on a stadium or re development when we can't even get a proven goalscorer for 6 million.
Mr henry if you are not fully committed to the cause then please put the club up for sale.
This is still one of the biggest clubs in the world but week by week you and your fellow investors are destroying this club and we will be battling the likes of villa and wigan just to stay in the league.


Where is the money going?

To the players, mostly. Gerrard, Reina, Cole, Carroll, Johnson, Suarez, etc. don't play for free you know...

We have (or at least had) a team on CL wages with no CL. What is so difficult to understand about this?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:27:29
I thought the close of the transfer window would be the end of the transfer speculation but , it has only been replaced by a ridiculous 'out of contract player' wish list .

Let's just get on with what we have got and see how the new manager does with it all , shall we .

TheScarf


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:25:03
Stevie G need to get back to his normal midfield role and not posing about up top...hes a proper centre mdfielder !!!!!


Is disciplined enough to play that role anymore?

I hate to say this but he needs dropping till he improves his form. No player is bigger than the club. Shelvey is far more of an attacking force played in the right position.


Mighty reds


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:58:09
I think rodgers should redefine gerrards role in the team..
I presume he would do well as a striker..
He is clinical and knows the way to the net ( better than all what we currently got) , could hold the ball well..and also give wingers a chance to cut in to score..
Plus i dont think he can cut as an attacking mid now..
Shelvey and sahin would do well in thats role..
Would solve are goals problems i believe!
Thanx


Gerrard should be our RBK, really wasted in every other position


We have always known that we would be bolloxed when Gerrard is finished, well people that day has come, we should sell him for what we can because we need all the money and him off the wages

Little jimmy


I can actually see the logic in this

It will also give shelvy the experience he needs to take his game to the next level

Mike B


He could be a good cbk, has the pace and comfortable playing it out.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:51:35
Anfield options

MICHAEL OWEN

The former Liverpool striker's availability has been known all summer but has so far not secured a deal. His injury record remains an issue and his return might not be welcomed by many fans after his spell with Manchester United. Turns 33 in December.
EMILE HESKEY

Another ex-Red without a club, the bustling front man appears to be very much in the mould of Andy Carroll, who was sent out on loan to West Ham United as he did not fit into Rodgers' system. Will be 35 in January.

JAMES BEATTIE

As with Heskey, Beattie would seem to be a similar style player to Carroll. The striker is available after leaving League One Sheffield United. But having struggled in his latter days at Stoke City and Rangers, the 34-year-old seems unlikely.

DARIUS VASSELL

The former England international is without a club after leaving Leicester City. But a serious knee injury wrecked his last campaign and there will remain doubts about the 32-year-old's fitness.

JAMES MCFADDEN

As a two-time Everton player, the Scot would represent a controversial choice for Liverpool. McFadden has also suffered a knee ligament injury during his career and could represent a fitness gamble similar to Vassell.

ALESSANDRO DEL PIERO

The veteran's move to Sydney FC appears to have stalled, although whether the former Juventus forward would even consider a switch to Merseyside a couple of months ahead of his 38th birthday is another matter. He has also been linked with Olympiakos.

EIDUR GUDJOHNSEN

Former Chelsea and Barcelona forward, who is 34 in September, has the necessary CV to potentially fit into Rodgers' plans but having flopped on his return to the Premier League with Tottenham Hotspur,Stoke City - where fitness was an issue - and then Fulham, another comeback seems unlikely.

thanks kyle


Or none of the above.
derryred


I'd rather give Samed Yesil a go than get any of them.

Kev.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:51:05
Evening eds fellow reds ,watching lfc live and read the Henry letter why is kenny getting the blame for spending 100 million he spent that but bought in about 60 million so he spent 40 million .buck spent £27million there or there abouts and we have got a lesser squad so I'm missing the point abit .and to be fair j Henry must of signed the cheque . Unless kenny and clarkey forged the signatures. Cheer psv


The point is that when you spend 90-100m you would think that you have something to show for it.

Carroll - 6 goals in 44 games
Downing - no elaboration needed
Henderson - has promise but not showing it
Enrique - getting worse and worse
Adam - not good enough

Only one of those five started against Arsenal and nobody can really say that the other four weren't given a chance.

The net spend is irrelevant. What is relevant is how you spend what you spend and on that score Henry is correct about Kenny.

Jan


But that is all the money there is in the club , that is why the revenue's need to increase . This has all been explained before .

TheScarf


To fsg apologists: Net spend is all that matters. If you are to believe the letter.
It shows truly what the owners committed.

They are happy for fans ignorance to make them look as though they lavished £100m.

They gave Commoli a budget of c £50m and he spent it by selling to buy. Getting six players and getting the top price for shipping Torres,vabel etc And it bought two cup finals and Europa cup, better than Spurs or Newcastle could manage. The first silverware in years.

BR spent £28m on unproven midfielders. Hardly thought about the damage to the existing strong defence, or the absence of striker- a schoolboy error.

Are you a Blue in disguise peddling more fallacies, stick to facts or grow one and learn to use it. Because there's weewee coming out of your mouth now. Jmac


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:22:28
Read that so-called letter from JH again carefully and you'll notice the reference to "they" and not the usual"we" that he enjoys using. Obviously distancing himself from events.....


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:22:51
i just realised who are exciting signing is goingh to be.

HESKEY.... LEGEND! FORGET OWEN


Mellor. Bring Mellor back.


I would take him back, better than nothing


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:22:44
What's all the talk on here about Lucas Barrios being a potential free transfer? Last I heard, he was doing well for Dortmund, but unhappy about lack of playing time. He is only about 27 or so. Can't understand why no club has looked at him yet?!
Spasmith


He plays in china


He currently plays for the Chinese team Guangzhou Evergrande, and he moved in May 2012 so can't see why he'd be on a free unless it's a similar situation to drogba. If he is on a free however ,we should snap him up ASAP! Good player, good age, good experience and a previous target of ours wasn't he?

E.H LFC


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:22:17
"FSG out!" and "Rodgers out!" seem to be popular warcries atm.

Let's assume for a minute these are good ideas (they're not, btw) and examine the history screaming for people's heads at Liverpool FC over the last few years, shall we?

"Hicks and Gillet out!" got us FSG which some persons aren't happy with all of a sudden. Now personally I disagree, FSG is the best thing to happen to this club at least since we won the Champions League, seeing as our other options were Administration and Kenny Huang. But some people cannot see a priest on top of a mountain of sugar.

"Rafa out!" got us Hodgson. Do I need to continue?

"Hodgson out!" got us Kenny. As with FSG I think that was an improvement, but it wasn't enough for some and now Kenny's gone.

"Kenny out!" got us Rodgers. Too early to call improvement or not, but it's basically a restart on squad building and tactical thought. And even then some people are bitching about him. They were bitching about him before he even took charge in a competitive fixture. And it wasn't because of their love for Kenny either. Again: Priest. Mountain of sugar.

"Parry out!" got us Purlsow.

"Purslow out!" got Ayre promoted.

Where do you think "Rodgers out!" will get us? Harry Redknapp? Return of Rafa?

And "FSG out!" is such a ludicrously ill concieved standpoint that I genuinely wonder are the people screaming it just trolls.

The point is, problems at the club are bigger for any one manager, Chief Exec or owners to fix overnight. We have to give the owners time to fix the off field issues (the club running at a loss) and give Rodgers time to fix the on field issues.

Screaming for people's heads, and getting them, doesn't automatically equate to an improvement. The only time it unequivocially improved things was with Hicks and Gillet. In other instances, it either hasn't clearly helped, hasn't helped at all, or has put us back to square one.

- Something Red -


FSG OUT , support BR and LFC , dont support FSG , they cant run this club , to little investment , to many mistakes


Yes i agree with your point. I don't want another transitional season, i just want Rodgers to get a chance.
He, like Kenny, cannot be accounted for our strikers missing chance after chance. Rodgers even less so because he didn't spend 50+ million to rectify it. All he can do is perhaps swap borini and suarez around, but will that get results?
Rodgers cannot be accounted for the clubs incredibly high wage bill, nor can FSG, that problem stems from way before them. Rodgers just has to live with it.
Rodgers, despite what he said cannot be held accountable for skrtel not looking up before playing that back pass against city, however he can in the future be held accountable for our fullbacks pushing to far up the pitch at the wrong time.
I wish i knew what football was like before the glory hunting, trigger happy fans.
derryred


Priest.

Mountain of sugar.


Man am I getting mileage out of that today.

- Something Red -


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:16:10
I have a suggestion to all the real Liverpool fans,
from now on every time we read "FSG out", "Bring Rafa back" ,"Liverpool will be relegated" or other such typical childlike remarks we should simply post after there comments "Fake Fan"...not to be mean or anything...more to warn all the other real fans that there is no point responding to said comments, I feel these people are just seeking attention(chances are there not loved at home) and using logic would only confuse in the same way a deer gets confused by the headlights of a car...I mean no disrespect by this but I feel its time for the true Liverpool fans take a stand before we become associated with these unfortunate people. lol

Bazingaa

P.s. I'm joking, just trying to lift the doom and gloom but if anybody puts "fake fan" after this comment I shall be very very upset lol


King of the fake fans


Real fan. ;)
Bigbadben


Hold on a second.
BR refers to them as "TYPE 3 FANS"
i think that will be more appropriate.
derryred


Yes you hide your head in the sand, we could and will be relegated on end of last season and this seasons form, wake up lad and smell the coffee, no money and weak team, Everton are now the number one team in this city, sad sad day for us


I'm just having a laugh man...trying to stay cheerful, I dont have a say in how the team or club is run...so not gonna let it get me down.

Bazingaa


'Yes you hide your head in the sand, we could and will be relegated on end of last season and this seasons form, wake up lad and smell the coffee, no money and weak team, Everton are now the number one team in this city, sad sad day for us'

It is so obvious this was written by a bitter. Come on lad, make it less obvious in future


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:14:54
I read in a recent interview with BR. Stating he woud welcome the King back in some capacity... Let's hope its as a forward! I'm sure he's a free agent...

Suarez. Dalglish. Sterling

YNWA Alves


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:13:36
as we are short up front do you think that michael owen on a pay as you play deal would be such a bad thing, the lad knows where the net is and i think he would jump at the chance (hopefully not injuring himself at the same time)


We are short up front. Owen will only make us shorter


Owen knows where the net is alright. It's out of range of the treatment table. There's a good chance he won't be fit when we need to call on him.

Pointless.

- Something Red -


I'd rather take a punt on the leading scorer for the local pub league.


He has warmed uniteds bench for the last 3 seasons. if we were after chamakh who warmed the arsenal bench being displaced by van persie i wonder how you would react.
derryred


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:06:59
get Owen and Heskey in!!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:04:52
On reflection I think this situation with being a striker short has been all premedidated

Think about it.....

If LFC had signed Owen while the window was open the vast majority of the supporters will have been up in arms and incredibly negative

however, making him out to be our only hope would have a lot more people welcoming him with open arms


Nice one Columbo, don't you have some murders to solve?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 19:04:29
Hey eds..don't u tink we need a director of football..fsg shud really think of getting one cos what happened transfer deadline can't repeat itself..and I also need u to explain to me why d press keep saying we spent 100m under kenny..we also sold torres meireles and babel to get almost 60m back.our net spent was like 40m don't rili gt why rodgers did not have like 50m to spend dis summer


I rili tink that tinking is not your strong point...
Bigbadben


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:45:21
hi eds ,If we were not able to afford dempsey how would we be able to afford a free agent and would we not be getting back into old players on high wages without resale value ? .Surely this is what B R has been sorting out this summer so we will not be heading down that route again . I am really pleased who we managed to get in and was gutted that we messed up on the last hurdle ,but this is where we are now .we have many quality players and some quality youngsters coming through ,maybe this will let them shine .cheers eds keep up the good work ant.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:37:28
Hence the term out of contract lol

I think Pacheco should be given another chance he looked gd in pre season and it wouldn't hurt to play him once in a while he's got alot more skill and pace than Borini just not as hard of worker off the ball as Borini but given time that could change the same could have been said about young raheem before BR took over and now look at him he's been arguably our best player so far. I'm not sayin Pacheco could be the same but he's got the potential which every lfc fan knows, surely worth a shot since we don't really have many options!

Gazman10


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:29:25
Eds I believe we are a very good team, playing good football and we are only 1 world class striker away from being a great side (Falcao?).

Lets put things into prospective, it seems to be for business reasons the owners are trimming the wage bill and bringing in cheaper players with potential for thier resale value as in the past we have spent recklessly on players and wages (Carroll, Hendo etc). I appreciate they are looking at the financial viability of the club for years to come, look to Glasgow Rangers to see what can happen if you carry on increasing your debt levels. The truth is we are unable to compete financially with our current reveune levels, this needs to change (Anfeild Capacity and world wide merchandising).

I can see us fading away into History like Ajax. We need to be competing financially with the very best.

As a Fan, I love this club, it,s is more important to me than life and death, I can't bare seeing our beloved club not winning trophies and playing and competing with the very best in the world, for this reason we the fans need to fund the fee for a world class striker. I for one will give all my saving to get this club back to the top.


What a post {Ed002's Note - Sadly replying to your own posts is a whack on the pee-pee. Try again next week.}


I'm all for creative sources of income, but not sure a call for donations to 'Funds for Falcao' are in order. It likely wouldn't raise nearly what you think it would (are there really 100,000 people willing to contribute £1000 or 1,000,000 people £100?).

That said, something like 'buy a brick at refurbed Anfield' whereby they engrave your name on one of the new bricks in a wall would be a great idea. I'd gladly throw £100 or something along those lines to that sort of effort.


What planet are you on, ha ha ha Falcao, yes lets get him, he has a 60 million buy out clause and would get in any team in the world, the old days are gone lad, mediocre team with low funds


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:23:06
kuyt £1m, Maxi free Bellami free. and Now we looking for a Old free agent striker. good manegemnt great timing. in cricket no foot work and Bold out :-)


It's MANAGEMENT and BOWLED. jeez


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:23:02
Hi All/Eds, in 2005 do you think the team would have turned that game around if the fans hadn't had the impact that they did? Hadn't been in blistering voice? Passionate, vocal, supportive?

If the fans had have been silent, moody, disrespectful, un-supportive what would have happened?

Do you see what I'm getting at?? Anfield need to rise and be the most positive supportive group letting them player know that they aint walking alone!

Now

I slightly disagree with BR saying it wasn't a tactical issue it was down to individual error. I was down to individual error in many respect (goals conceded) but we never look like scoring from open play.

The reason I believe this is is we are simply too deep when attacking. the ball is played in for Suarez who has a major task before even getting into shooting range.

Suarez should be on the right with Morgan, Pacheco or Yesil through the middle.

The midfield need to press higher up the pitch when attacking as we still only commit 1 or 2 player into the box when attacking.

Yes we missed out on deadline day but if we get the tactical play right then all the forwards should be able to contribute as the strikes on goal will not have to be spectacular.

Its going to be a long season as we ebb and flow and Ive huge respect to BR who clearly has his work cut out but is keeping a calm head and sticking to his plan - I trust he will get there but we need to come together.

YNWA

RedLee


It was also the difference between the ManCity game and Arsenal, I think. I don't claim that boisterous support will win us the league, but it will make the difference between say 12th and 6th, I think.

RDL


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:19:57
I'm hearing LFC are in talks with Alberto Gilardino on a short term deal..

Anything Eds?

Mark D


I understand that Gilardino is under contract at Genoa and has been loaned to Bologna.

How are we going to sign him?

- Something Red -


Isnt he with genoa?

YNWA


Don't think his club will like that.


Didn't he just move to Bologna?


Not sure he is free agent ? wiki says hes signed with genoa , who loaned him out to bologna , shame coz hes got a goal to game ratio of 169 goals in 451 games


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:19:34
Sinama Pongolle will return on a deal to end of season. BR appreciates his ability to play centre and wing, and his fitness, age and wages fit in better than anyone. Source- French radio rumour.


Would have kept him over ngog at the time anyway could do a job in the short term.... Paisley's genius


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:17:29
Someone from saying Liverpool are in talks with a player who's won a world cup and champions league. Also said he's not he's not a former player.

Believe any of this Eds?

ConaLfc


If he`s not a former player how the hell did he win a CL and world cup !


Only del piero fits that desription and hes a free agent 37 tho


He's talking about del piero and I very much doubt it's true


Surely that could only be Del Piero?

I doubt it though!


Surely that could only be Del Piero?

I doubt it though!


Del piero? Dont think so!


Xavi Iniesta Pique Casillas Pirlo


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:15:54
I was a regular at the games in the 70s & 80s until I went to work abroad. I am back now and went to the game on Sunday. Where have the Liverpool supporters gone. Where is the famous kop voice, humour & banter gone.
If you are depressed with the situation stay at home and give your ticket to a passionate RED fan please, who will support and lift the team.


Well said mate. Totally agree.


They where there only they are called gooners now,im surprised you didnt hear them,everyone else did lol
trev the gooner


I used to go with my old man, but things change. Family are from Accrington and Blackburn etc..

I mentioned the same thing last year and had a convo with Ed001. It definitely needs to change. Whether Ed001's suggestion of moving fans around, or something else. If you're a one man singing machine, next to 100's of mute, expecting fans, then there's no hope!

Lee YNWA


I used to go with my old man, but things change. Family are from Accrington and Blackburn etc..

I mentioned the same thing last year and had a convo with Ed001. It definitely needs to change. Whether Ed001's suggestion of moving fans around, or something else. If you're a one man singing machine, next to 100's of mute, expecting fans, then there's no hope!

Lee YNWA


I clapped before typing this. Well said fella


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:11:42
After reading John Henry's open letter I feel a little bit embarressed for my reaction after the last gane.

He was man enough to admit to mistakes, and I really appreciated his efforts.

Whats done is done, I really think John Henry has the best interests of the club at heart and he knows the transfer window was a mistake but we cant dwell on that.

Brendan Rodgers seems like he's under immense pressure. What we need to do is fully get behind the team and sing our hearts out.

I wish I had a season tickets so I could be there doing just that.

How about you guys that will be at the matches sing something for Brendan and let the players know that we are behind him in what hes trying to achieve lets not let the players start questioning whether he's the right man.

I know when I hear BR speak in interviews that he is the right man to take us forward and he has done wonders already.

Lets prove why we are often known as the best fan base in the world.

YNWA

Shak Attack


He should sell the club ASAP


Henry cannot run the club from afar

Who made the decision only to pay Fulham 4M for Dempsey?

Was it Henry was it Ayre?

It certainly does not seem to be Rogers!


Im trying to click agree a few thousand times...

Piledriver


Im trying to click agree a few thousand times...

Piledriver


John Henry doesn't run the club?

he has Tom" Werner and Tom is the real problem at the football club. The man is an person. Just wait for the documentary to air.


From what I keep reading, we are far from being the best fans in the world. PJ


I hated the Cosby show in the 80"s and have a similair distaste for Mr Werner.
Sugary, sweet, preachy, and irrelevant.
What the hell does he know about Football.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:08:58
The last few days have been disappointing and revealing in equal measure. Dissapointing because we failed to sign a first team forward on deadline day, and its been revealing because FSG will now realise Ian Ayre is a person and is no David Dein. But I know for a fact Ayre hasnt the jurisdiction to make deals himself he would have been on the blower to Henry/Werner to seek approval and they would have been the ones that said Dempsey is not worth 7 million. So if anyone is to blame its FSG. Yes this gaffe of not signing a forward will cost us lots of points beCause as we saw against Arsenal if our forwards mis-fire then our only options are extremely limited. I dont care how much movement Borrini has and how many times he inter-changes hes not a goal getter and to be fair hasnt impressed me much. Suarez well he is magic and will start scoring sooner rather than later and Gerrard in my opinion is way past his best and sadly now a passenger! We are obsessed with FFP in my opinion all well and god trying to adhere to regulations but its 2 years away we need a friggin forward now!! People condemn Abramovich I for one would love Roman to own us he's at every home game and most away games, he supplies profounf funding for his team every season and they dont do too badly. I for one am saddened that either Werner or Henry arent at our games every week. It just doesent sit right with me. Anyway rant over, I think FSG will address their failings from this transfer window in January but it will be too little too late. I say throw Assaidi, Morgan and Assaidi in at the deep end what have you got to lose Brendan?

Ian Ayre (confirmed as the real Ian Ayre)


Yes ian, the assaidi twins should do well for us lol.............lfc


So Ian, you reckon the Assaidi twins will save us?

Redjinal


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:12:51
Eds do you know what is going on with assaidi as he wasn't in the squad yesterday and he wasn't involved in the reserve game today either.
Cheers


Maybe he is on international duty as he plays for Morocco at international level


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:08:11
BR: Get the red carpet out lads, The king is returning.

GERRRAD N CO: why boss u resigning?

BR: na ur bloody hopeless in front of goal lads.


Lost on me!!!.


After the treatment Kenny got from FSG I doubt he ever return to anfield while FSG are owners I know if I was him I would steer clear


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:05:10
I don't think we necessarily need to start panicking just yet. Yes our squad is thin and lacking(on paper) the quality needed to achieve our goal of champions league football but we have players who, if they perform, could tare a lot of teams in the epl apart. We have a lot of unproven players who may perform better than expected of them and, it may sound strange, but positively most of our proven players aren't performing as they have previously in their careers. This means all our players are in need of proving themselves, which with the right mentality of team ethics and tactical understanding could prove to be a good recipe for succes and have us at a respectable position
come January. I like Rogers' ideology and the signings he has made. The more time he has to train the players, the more we will see his tactical ideology fluctuate through the squad and into our games.

I'm posting today to discuss the situation of our lack of strikers. I belive Rogers is right to be using Gerrard in a more attacking role and I would even consider using Gerrard as a striker if needed or even if forced from his midfielder role due to other midfielders performing well.

With saying this I believe Michael Owen should be brought in, though not at an expense where the club is overpaying him. If I were Brendan Rogers I would be selling the position to Owen by offering him a chance to finish his career at Liverpool and staying in the game there for after as a coach or scout. We need cover and Owen is the only worthy player we could realistically get before January without 'overpaying', and he is more than far off as a certainty.(even though he
Lowes us for getting off to real and then signing for united).

Just like to also say, I do understand we have Morgan, who is arguably a better asset than Owen would be but regardless of that, we still need more cover and competition amoungst our strikers.

Great sight eds, interested to see your opinion on the matter.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 18:04:55
Feel better now after reading JWH's letter. He is spot on.


Henry is not spot on

Look what happening at the club his letter was merely an a** covering exercise


Just read it myself and im on board with what he says and barcelona went poor for years then there talent started coming through eg.messi,pique,busquets and they shipped there party animal players and fringe players out eg.ronaldinho(NOT A FRINGE PLAYER BTW) and look at them basking in there glories.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:34:38
DEL PIERO anyone?


Think he's on his way to Sydney FC


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:33:40
Hell no! Not Owen.

BR would be mad to give Owen the chance. He is finished and it has been years since he was finished.

If we want Owen hoping he can replicate the scoring record with us before than LMAO, why not we bring Barnes, Rush....and all those greats...

MAdness... We don't want another Joe Cole.

I know we have lack of strikers, but better give Morgan, Yesli & Ngoo a chance.

And why on Earth Fabio Borini is playing wide right, IMO BR is wasting him there, rather play Suarez there and Borini on the center.

Now 3 games gone, I have been saying this since Borini came. Play him in the center, he can start scoring goals, his positioning is good. See Chicharito you don't need to be powerful or pacy to score goals you just have to have that positional awareness and instincts to put it in the net. Borini has got that and he can improve that.

I don't want this repeat again and again the sooner BR realize it and put Borini and Suarez at there respective place which would be in most benefit to the team the better we can perform on the attacking end of the match.

Come on BR sense it.....

So worried about Reina, may be now the best option is to sell him and go for a young one in Butland or that Gladback Goalkeeper.

And my word what a shi## player is Downing, shame on you KD, 20M for him when Raheem Sterling making Downing wet his pants. Madness! Same for Carroll.

Also BR needs to show some guts if Stevie G is playing badly through a match then be it, bring on Shelvey or Hendo that would be the best interest to the team.
Against Arsenal for 90% of the match Stevie was awful.

So JW Henry sending a letter, tell you what. FSG showing so much immaturity running the club. First the KD, Commoli mix up, Stadium issue, now the transfer dead lien day failure. I don't think you can manage a football team by staying at the other side of Atlantic, especially in transfer window at dead line day. why can't they give couple of days for the club and come over to England to resolve the matters & keep things in shape.

If not why can't they appoint a full time CEO to run the club. So that the person would doe the JOb reporting to Them. IAn Ayer is not good enough for transfer dealing, tho perhaps good as a commercial manager.

Say we give BR time, but will fans & FSG tolerate outside top10 finish. It seems like as it..

FSG needs to prepare for January window well, ready the excess meat to dispatch, Joe Cole, Downing, Pachehco, Wilson, JOnes. If not all of them, at least as many as possible. ANd prepare ,gather money to land a very good goal scorer. Not Daniel Sturridge or Theo Wlacott, are not the player we need.

My advice to BR is I trust you but address the problems, identify them .. like Borini needs to play more central role, necessary substitution and droppings.

IF FSG wants to prove anything give BR enough funds to land a class goal scorer in January.

Bosco


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:33:02
Hell no! Not Owen.

BR would be mad to give Owen the chance. He is finished and it has been years since he was finished.

If we want Owen hoping he can replicate the scoring record with us before than LMAO, why not we bring Barnes, Rush....and all those greats...

MAdness... We don't want another Joe Cole.

I know we have lack of strikers, but better give Morgan, Yesli & Ngoo a chance.

And why on Earth Fabio Borini is playing wide right, IMO BR is wasting him there, rather play Suarez there and Borini on the center.

Now 3 games gone, I have been saying this since Borini came. Play him in the center, he can start scoring goals, his positioning is good. See Chicharito you don't need to be powerful or pacy to score goals you just have to have that positional awareness and instincts to put it in the net. Borini has got that and he can improve that.

I don't want this repeat again and again the sooner BR realize it and put Borini and Suarez at there respective place which would be in most benefit to the team the better we can perform on the attacking end of the match.

Come on BR sense it.....

So worried about Reina, may be now the best option is to sell him and go for a young one in Butland or that Gladback Goalkeeper.

And my word what a shi## player is Downing, shame on you KD, 20M for him when Raheem Sterling making Downing wet his pants. Madness! Same for Carroll.

Also BR needs to show some guts if Stevie G is playing badly through a match then be it, bring on Shelvey or Hendo that would be the best interest to the team.
Against Arsenal for 90% of the match Stevie was awful.

So JW Henry sending a letter, tell you what. FSG showing so much immaturity running the club. First the KD, Commoli mix up, Stadium issue, now the transfer dead lien day failure. I don't think you can manage a football team by staying at the other side of Atlantic, especially in transfer window at dead line day. why can't they give couple of days for the club and come over to England to resolve the matters & keep things in shape.

If not why can't they appoint a full time CEO to run the club. So that the person would doe the JOb reporting to Them. IAn Ayer is not good enough for transfer dealing, tho perhaps good as a commercial manager.

Say we give BR time, but will fans & FSG tolerate outside top10 finish. It seems like as it..

FSG needs to prepare for January window well, ready the excess meat to dispatch, Joe Cole, Downing, Pachehco, Wilson, JOnes. If not all of them, at least as many as possible. ANd prepare ,gather money to land a very good goal scorer. Not Daniel Sturridge or Theo Wlacott, are not the player we need.

My advice to BR is I trust you but address the problems, identify them .. like Borini needs to play more central role, necessary substitution and droppings.

IF FSG wants to prove anything give BR enough funds to land a class goal scorer in January.

Bosco


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:29:17
Andy Goldstein has just tweeted that he knows for a fact that Liverpool are interested in a former World Cup & Champions League winner. Interesting....

Gav the Red


Is it the fat Rolando lol


That'll be del piero, still hasn't signed for sydney fc.


My mate del?


Its Del Piero


Prehaps Inzaghi?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:29:09
You haven't a clue what's going on at Liverpool. All summer you were identifying transfer targets from your so called "sources"... It is clear the owners wanted all the big earners out and cut the wage bill. Remember this message... They will sell Liverpool fc within two years. There here to make money and not for the love of Liverpool fc or it's fans!!


If they're here just for money, they're doing it wrong. Firstly, they bought the club for ~£300M, paid the huge wages of those already at the club, signed Carroll for £35m etc etc. So tell me, where is the profit? Sometimes it's just better if you just think about what you say instead of looking like a fool...

ChrisMiz


Who hasn't got a clue? Me? You might be right. Are you my twin brother? Sign your name when you throw insults bro.....

Bigbadben


Who hasn't got a clue? Me? You might be right. Are you my twin brother? Sign your name when you throw insults bro.....

Bigbadben


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:22:56
F*** it lets just resign heskey and owen, they'll score more goals then borini and suarez


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:05:49
Lads why are yous slating br and the owners
yous are like kids that didnt get any sweets
not 2 yrs ago we were f##ked.
The owners are doing their bit to make the club
sustainable.
They have pumped a lot of cash in to clear debt and
arent willing to risk the club like before by paying
inflated cost and wages.
We all new its not gonna be easy or done overnight
so give it a rest and get behind the team and manager
Remember rome wasnt built in a day.
And i for one as things stand would like to see owen
back as cover plus the kids could learn a lot from him
cheers....


It worn out now that mantra - time to move on


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:47:59
Morning everyone.
Question for ed 001 or any of the eds for that matter.
What is going on with Gerard? is he unfit? has he given up?, are his legs gone?, is there a dressing room problem we haven't heard about yet? He looks completely disinterested at the minute. I thought the idea of Brendan's philosophy was to get the ball back as quickly as possible when you lose it. Poor Stevie's not doing that, and he's our captain...... Any thoughts anyone.... Mervue banjo man


Maybe Stevie is fed up with the mickey mouse setup that exists at the club?

Would this have happening at Utd, citeh or Chelsea - HELL NO


United has nearly double our revenue. ManCity and Chelsea are nothing like us and aren't comparable.

Looking at Spurs and Arsenal would be much more fair comparisons.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:58:48
We are Liverpool, you just know we will beat the at anfield. This will be our turning point revenge for suarez last season... Come on lads get behind the team !


Who disagrees? Not a true supporter, wouldn't want to sit next to you at anfield you'd be like a corpse.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:58:30
I heard FSG has written this type of letter thrice this year alone to the Red Sox fans who are unhappy with the situation they are in.

I also heard management over there are at each other's throat over certain decisions made that have not gone down well.

So FSG wants to wait for 16 years before we can have a taste of success right?

Unfortunately, these owners need to be made aware of the dangers of relegation and the difficulty in getting back up, as opposed to American soccer.

Please this is not politics and we don't need sweet talks. We need 2 strikers and we need them now.

Anything else aside a striker or two is unacceptable. Support the club with some cash or sell up now.

And as for Rogers, sort out this mess we are in by doing what's right and not outrightly hating Kenny's buys.

You have humiliated Downing and Carrol enough and now you've turned on Henderson for reasons best known to you.

We are short of strikers and rather than convert Downing into one, you are making him a defender, an area we have enough cover.

Is Pacheco not a striker? Seriously, what's wrong with having or him on the bench rather than defenders, knowing fully well we are lacking goalz?

Finally, the whole team is just too slow for LFC standard. Our passing is slow and laboured and often mechanical. If this is what we do in training, then its not good enough. There should be a bit of urgency in everythimng please?

Sad fan. {Ed062's Note - i doubt FSG think or have even contemplated us getting relegated, it wont happen! Carroll was never going to fit into the style of play, he has no movement. Downing's stats from last year speak for itself. What's the point of having pacheco on the bench when he cant even score at reserve level?


Ive said the same apparently he wants to get rid of pacheco if i was BR id kill two birds with one stone play pacheco he might get a goal he might not but he his a good player n will be putting him in the shop window at the same time.

ACHILLES. {Ed062's Note - thats a good point mate but BR probably wont take the chance of playing Pacheco, because he can be utterly uselesss at times}


David suazo ,tuncay sanli could join as squad members


Hey ed062 I hear what ur saying but im afraid he hasnt really got much choice has he. But from what ive seen of him given half the chance he can be useful i mean the lad was a golden boot winner at international level u19 there is something about him jus needs a break.

ACHILLES.


Iv got good odds on liverpool being relegated.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:43:32
STOP MOANING RED FANS!
We are where we are......we can't change things.....they sacked Kenny and look whats happened. Whatever you or I think, this is reallity.
Support your team through thick & thin...they need us, and they need to know we support them. The atmosphere on Sunday was a disgrace, the comments a disgrace and if affected the players and their nerves. Support them and give them the freedom to play without having to think we are against them.
Support your team, have a moan in the pub after.


Most people are supportive but very disappointed with the activities on Friday. Clearly the resuly yesterday just compounded the issue. BR, the team and the Club have my full support.
YNWA
J


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:23:28
Mood of despondancy around the club... No confidence in players or management from the fans!

Playser look confused, too many mistakes, manager making schoolboy errors which have seriously harmed our club.

Not over-reacting when I say I predict a relegaryon battle and honestly can't see us getting any points from out next two games. We are so easy to defend against without any plan B and have let our only in-form striker bugger off to London!

I don't blame FSG as Everton/WBA show you can do ok without money but I do blame KK and now BR. Man needs to get his act together or leave the club, looks niave and out of his depth, and seemed to be far more preoccupied with belittling the Kenny signings than building his own team!

Pathetically weak squad with no back up plan, no goalscorer and no confidence!
We must change or relegtion looms... same thing happened to Newcastle a few seasons back!


I cant wait for the relegaryon battle, i don't know what it is but sounds great


Never heard of a relegaryon battle before, is it a roman gladiator thing !
my little lad reckons it`s something to do with pokemon ! {Ed062's Note -


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:20:39
Hi eds, can we still loan players from other clubs? I am of the understanding that the loan deadline has not passed. Is that correct? If so when is the loan deadline? Jayo


Stop asking stupid questions the loan deadline is the same , 31st august 11pm. Its gone!


My understanding is that It's not possible to loan any players and that we can only sign free agents until January....


Lol...I wonder if one of the Ed's secretly wrote that as a liverpool-rumours punter! {Ed002's Note - There are no loans but the chance of taking some elderly washed up guy on a very expensive "freebie". Available arte the like of Del Piero and Ed002 (both 54) and Emile Heskey (artist and lover).}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:20:33
i am disappointed like everyone else with the lack of strikers bought..and the Arsenal game. But now is not the time to loose hope. It was always going to be tough...
" I am not saying it will be easy, I am saying it will be worth it"
Something to ponder for all those hating FSG and BR already..
Believe me it is better than overpaying for players...and thank god we did not sign Sturridge.. 15 million for him..u gotta be kidding..
Just relax and hope for better days. I for one believe in FSG, BR and most importantly LFC

Pankaz


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:20:54
come on!!, are we really saying that our success between now and January hindged on Clint Dempsey signing? I'm not the Ian Ayre fanclub, but he can only negotiate within the budget he has. Its clearly obvious that our first Buisness in the transfer market with FSG was the real disaster, is that FSG'S fault, no! the owners can only realease funds to buy, they did!! Damian Comoli's fault? yes, he was there to advise on market value etc etc, KD obviosuly wanted british players, they choose wrong, and paid very wrong! and FSG rightly removed him once they realised his error. we are and will be paying for that wasted 100ML for at least a season or so. is this a bad thing, not for me, we have a younger, smaller, squad which will become a tight unit over the next few months as they take on the managers playing style (attractive, attacking pressing football) great, it looks increasingly likely the owners will be expanding Anfield to compete with our rivals, bums on seats wise. With hotels and the whole matchday experiance being improved in the process, all money in the kitty. FSG have proven albeit unfortunatley on Mr Comollis advise that money will be ploughed back into the club, a club that has one way or another rested on its Laurel's, and been miss managed for at least 20 years, I can't believe anyone expects that to be turned around over night, all we can do is head in the right direction, business wise, and squad wise. with have Joe Allen the 4th highest pass completion rate in europe last season, Sterling will get games, Borini give the lad time, Sahin a great loan (which with the fans backing could become permanant), the last years have heard fans moaning about the likes of Kuyt, Maxi, Spearing, Adam, Carroll they've all gone now and some are moaning the've gone, the wages saved on them five alone will equate to about 10m come Jan. We are still a huge club with huge potential to return to the pinincle of world football, but anyone who thinks this is going to happen in a couple of seasons is clearly living in dream world. and those who want Rafa back, true he come closest to the premierleague title, but under a regime that very very very nearly put the club in admistration to do it. If we do this right now, it may take time, but it will be permanant, there is no quick fix to such catastrophic miss management of the last 20 years, FSG are new to the game but you can bet your life Liverpool will never risk not exsisting again. we have a top coach who given time could build a "blue print" to success that will serve us as well as that laid down by Mr Shankly. patience patiience, it not and never was Dempsey or Disaster. what our 19 man squad needs is the famous support making them feel 10 foot tall everytime they put on that Red shirt. then lets see where we are in Jan


Would like to be able to click 'Agree' multiple times for this post!

"It's not and never was Dempsey or disaster"... spot on!

Hughesy


Just about sums it up , without paragraphs .

TheScarf


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:18:56
the liverpool fans who are criticising rodgers are ridiculous- probably the same fools who wanted "king kenny" back. you cant magic a decent goalkeeper, defender, central midfielder, winger and striker our of thin air.
he's done the best with what he's got. the owners are not going to let another manager spunk £100m on a load of mediocre crap.
he's a very good manager and the football swansea played under his leadership was unparallelled for a newly promoted team. you need to be patient, it will come together and with players like allen, sterling, sahin and suarez you will soon glue and start playing decent stuff.
the worst thing you can do as fans is put undue pressure on him, make the board sack him (pay him off in the process) and bring in harry f***ing redknapp with his quick-fix short-term plan of buying a load of 35 year olds.

AG
(Gooner)


How is it that a bloody Gooner is speaking the most sense on here.


Totally agree, I fear the reactionary nature of those on here and elsewhere would've led to shankly getting the sack!
We're not in the best shape but it's 3 (might just repeat that number for those complaining...3!) games into a rein that has seen us playing decent football, been unlucky to not beat the champions and have a team of younger, hungrier players. Plus we're considerably better financially rather than the mortgaged to the hilt club of not so long ago.
Bit of perspective please everyone


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:15:40
Got a great idea as to how we could get the striker we need... this week. Let's take Falcao, for example. We ask Atletico Madrid to cancel his contract- perhaps he could get 'caught' wearing an 'I Love Real Madrid' t-shirt when out shopping, say. We sign him on a free, as he would be a free agent, however there is an agreement between the 2 clubs that we pay Atletico's debt payments for 2 years, say. All the fans are happy that we have the number 9 we crave, and we see Liverpool Football Club rocketing up the table and into a Champions League position.

If anyone can see a flaw or anything illegal with this plan, let me know, because I can't.

Rafa's Purple Goatie


We can't afford our own debt, much less taking on someone else's. Not a lawyer, but this also would likely break some sort of law.


The first thing you said was illegal, asking Athletico to cancel Falcaos contract? Does that not sound a bit iffy to you?


Surely this couldnt be true! Ed's? {Ed062's Note - no}


A cunning plan my friend. So cunning, you could put a nose on it and call it a weasel.

Bigbadben


I should have added, it was a joke. Though clearly not a good one! Its not falcao's contract we would ask to cancel, it would be cavani and neymar's! Obviously!

Rafa's Purple Goatie


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:04:20
we're going through a storm and our heads should be held high. At the moment the majority should be hanging their heads in shame. Let's try and regain our dignity and get behind our club. At the end of the storm is a golden sky and we should look forward to that rather than abuse everyone and anyone.

I know it's been an age of bad times and as a 21 year old I've never experience a league success and have had limited cup success but that doesn't matter to me, I'm still proud of our club.

Sorry for the massive rant but some people need a sense of perspective.

Thanks for your amazing work Eds and Macca. Keep up the good work! You're all genuinely brilliant and we all appreciate you're time and devotion.

Matt H


Well said matt,it's nice to hear some of our young fans talking more sense than some of the drones on here, simonpw


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:38:15
Well Eds and fellow supporters..hope this gets posted up...from looking at recent performances..there is spells of the football Rodgers wants to implement...pass pass pass but quicker..just from an observation as captain fantastic legs aren't there anymore..do you think its not just a goalscorer we need but a flair AM like a santi caszorla..david silva..iniesta...that type of player someone who knows when to give the give the cutting edge pass ..who has a football brain...i think someone like this who can turn on a swivel is what we are missing to making more goals ....suso i think should be given chances in this role in i.e. carling cup...europa league ...but i think for the next window we should be looking at people like this i.e. Isco from malaga or maybe even move joe allen into this position who i think is world class what a football brain and keeps the ball moving forward...Your thoughts fellow Reds?

BoB LFC


I totally agree...the rest of you supporters and Eds should read this post...think he could be right along with winger/forwards that are direct, pacy and good on the ball all working as a team! LFC


 

 

03 Sep 2012 17:02:56
By all accounts Ngoo had a good game today. He is a bit awkward but everytime I have seen he troubles defences. Surely the way forward?

Mighty reds


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:57:20
I would just like to wander what all these moaning fans were like last week when we held city to a draw, its funny how people can turn on their club that they supposedly love in a week. give the team a chance and stop putting more pressure on them, were playing a whole new tactic to last year and it takes time getting used to, we have shown good signs of what is to come.

I will also admit i was dissapointed with the lack of transfer through the summer but surely you all cant think that dempsey would be the player to get us 20 plus goals a season and there was no point in keeping a player that would maybe play 20 mins a game.

give the team a chance and get behind them, they need everything they can get.


Winning will solve all of our problems, even just a couple in a row. The team is going to have to go out and fight at Sunderland and it's on BR's capable shoulders to make them believe that we can win.


To the above reply, i`m not sure about capable shoulders, he`s going to need wide ones thats for sure


Exactly my point mate.

lets just make it out of the next 2 games and then we can see how things are going when we get more stable games

Mike B


Things will get better the red mancs arent exactly on fire at the mo lets hope we can stuff them bring carra on to stop rvp not if we would have had him we would have won all our games so we cant be that bad


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:46:07
Sorry guys

Most of the blame must lie on the supporters shoulders, our expectations at the moment are far beyond the reality of the club. We put so much pressure on any player that dons the red shirt its embarrassing.

Why is there a common theme when we buy any player? we buy Carroll who plays out of his skin for Newcastle, plays rubbish for us then has man of the match for WHU. Adam was one of the players of the season for Blackpool and couldn't kick a ball for us, we buy Downing and Henderson who both had great seasons before coming to us then they play rubbish? Joe cole had a great season last year.

Ask yourself whats the common denominator, the manager? no we have had many, the owners no again, the style of play, thats also changed , its the pressure and expectations we as supporters put on the team.

Just look at this site everybody slagging our players off "Gerrard is Rubbish" "Reina has lost it", "Skirtle is a liability" and now even Suarez is useless.
Remember the stick our fans gave Lucas (i rest my case). I grew up in a period when Liverpool fans were the greatest now I am ashamed to read the posts and ashamed when I hear people are abusing the owners and the owners family. Ever since the banners were used against H&G we have become fickle and bitter and to be quite honest quite dillussional.

You watch southampton, and swansea and every supporter is behind the team, I went to Liverpool yesterday and the crowd were silent and all I could hear was abuse towards the players and manager, no wonder player don't perform, and then I come on hear and the majority are slagging the owners and the players.

Our Mantra is to never walk alone, please remember that. There is nothing wrong with debate and constructive criticism, however destructive, obtrusive, and vile comments should be kept to other sites and Liverpool fans we should weed these people out, as they are not worthy of supporting this great club.

Evered


ThetuXXX here well said mate spot on if the fans cant get behind the players then they should piXX right of


That puts everything into perspective, excellent post

wardie


The best post I have ever seen on here mate, well done


This should be posted on the hour every hour for the next week so most people get to read it
top post


Fantastic post Evered, Simonpw


Totally agree


Well said evered. I posted yesterday about the poor performance of our supposed 'twelfth man', but you've definately hit the nail on the head here.

Bigbadben


Well said evered. I posted yesterday about the poor performance of our supposed 'twelfth man', but you've definately hit the nail on the head here.

Bigbadben


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:44:35
Lol its like theirs a civil war going on between lfc fans Keep owners vs get them out agree for keep disagree for out

p.s my vote is for very agree


The owners are the best thing thats happened to the club in 20 years moores was the village idoit who sold out for his 20 pieces of silver to hicks and gillete FSG have saved us from the abyss


I would argue that Gerrard was the best thing over the last twenty years. An opinion only.

E


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:43:38
hey eds in your own oppinion do u think we will sign any free agents? cheers {Ed062's Note - in my opinion. NO.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:21:16
Looks like Hesky is back on the market
as a free agent !

Red Rogan


So what, did he score any goals for us ? Remember he missed a load of sitters.


I seem to recall he got around 20 goals in his first season, he was fantastic, it just went very quickly downhill after that !


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:21:01
Looks likely that Liverpool will open up talks with Michael Owen in a pay-as-you-play deal. Personally I wouldn't welcome him back, I feel as if he burnt those bridges when he joined THEM, but Rodgers recognizes that we need a proper finisher and he does know where the net is.


Get over it you tool! PJ


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:20:52
'Gerrard the relic?'

Definition of a relic is: a survivor or remnant left after decay, disintegration, or disappearance

Safe to say Stevie is justifiably regarded as the best Liverpool FC player to play in the Premiership era and my favorite player of all time, but has his magic now left him and has he become a relic?

From 2004 to 2009 Stevie was a player that regularly carved teams open with accurate through passes from all sorts of angles / distance and fired pile driver shots that flew in the net from 10, 20, 30 even 40 yards.

Since 2010 assists and goals from open play have very much been a rarity for Captain Fantastic. He no longer has the poise, balance or accuracy in his shooting from open play and he rarely finds space or the opportunity to release the kind of passes he did in regularity for Fernando Torres, Kuyt, Bellamy, Crouch, Cisse and Owen. It seems the only trick he has left (in open play) is the one-two near the edge of the opponent's box but this more often than not leads to him "cleverly" falling in an attempt to claim a pen more than construct a open play goal scoring opportunity.

Yes he had a great game against Everton early on in the year and his performance against Man City was industrious but it's clear he no longer can play even 2 games in a week at a high level. More alarming is that his level at times has gone from "take a bow son" to "take him off Brendon". 2010 and 2011 were injury afflicted years for Stevie but he has now been injury free for months and yet has not got back to anywhere near the level he once was.

In Rodgers system the most advanced midfielder plays an absolute pivotal role in goal scoring. He has to have the athleticism, touch, vision and ability to execute short, sharp through passes with impeccable timing before being closed down. 2004-2009 Gerrard would have been ideal for this role. 2012 Gerrard so far does not seem to be capable of positively affecting the game anywhere near as much as his former self. The picture in his mind does not seem to be as clear or telepathic as it once was.

I hope I am wrong but with all due respect Stevie is now dropping down the list of top attacking midfielders in the league and unless his form improves, once Lucas is back from injury, Stevie may well be finding himself on the bench a lot more.

Was he to blame for the loss to Arsenal - not entirely NO but partially yes, is he a relic - in some ways yes, has he still got what it takes to be successful as an attacking midfielder... we shall see. The one thing you would always do at your peril is right him off but right now I'm not so sure if that applies.


Many times in life one finds oneself up against the desperation. It happens often in working life and real life. You find your self sitting there sighing to your self, what next. Every time this happens to me I close my eyes and I can see Gerrard,s header, our fisrt goal in Istambul. Then I see it, where there's light, there hope.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:20:10
Hey Ed's whilst watching I spotted BR watching the game who do you think he was particularly watching or was it just the game overall seeing as we're low on squad members he may need to call on some of these boys. By the way thought we played exceptional the real stand out performers IMO were; Pelosi, Ngoo, Adorjan and Sama even though he did give away a pen. Also, for the people who will ask, Yesil: international duty, Suso: serving last game of domestic ban and Texeira was on the bench as he is recovering from a back injury. Cheers eds. {Ed002's Note - I have absolutely no idea who he was watching.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:18:14
i reckon we sign inzaghi... just stand there in the 6 yard box and knock it in. simples! :)


We'd have to get him out of retirement

Hans


Inzaghi ? best option i`ve seen


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:18:04
That letter has just made things worse theres even more abuse on twitter now. Maybe Henry should have kept quiet


It's a no win situation the fans are being incredibly vile if he had not said something people would have abuse him for being silent, he come out and tries to explain things and he is abused for that some people need to remember at the end of the day this is a sport and a game not life or death


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:56:26
Now the transfer window is shut and the rats have now left, what are we left with? Yes a sinking ship!
Welcome to the real world!!
REDalert


I wish people like you would just go away, to call the club you ''support'' a sinking ship, do you not understand what YNWA means? Please just go away!

MR EM


After reading the posts on here recently, I feel like I should abandon my red scarf and hat and get a pitch fork and flaming torch and go ranting through the streets screaming death to FSG.


Your first post 'REDalert'? Can't find you on search? ...Strange?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:52:53
Eds this may be a silly question but why isn't Pacheco making the bench? I've heard he's got attitude problems but if ever there was a time to prove yourself it is now.
RealisticRed {Ed062's Note - maybe he just isn't good }


Isn't he out on loan? {Ed062's Note - no}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:51:59
u are in EPL not serea A . when team Like Chelsea , Man Utd , Man City have much more better and bigger team, then you must not let Arsenal, Tottenham have a better team then you have simple . at the Moment I think New Castle have better team then us. you can't put yourself in no 6/7th place and then think you want no 4.
every team have for striker we just have 2. and one of them too young in age and in club too. I have to copy BR word you don,t have to be a rocket Scientist to find it out that our team is no 6th 7th place team.

hhh


You mean that city team of winging mancs that went crying back to manchester after the good slapping they got at Anfield.


One good game and 1 point that what u talking about ? city have 7 point and they bring a class player in last day .


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:51:47
all these so called red fans wanting fsg to sell up is pure rubbish remember when were owned by hicks and gillette these guys have come in got us better sponsorships deals they have signed some great players and got rid of a lot of average players and stupid money the only player i would have kept would have been dirk kuyt they have made mistakes and have admitted it but come on we nearly went bust . people have short memories there is no quick fix and we need to be patient and stop getting on the back of the might lfc and show your support , like we did against man city the kop was quite yesterday stop sulking and get back to giving all your support to the red we havent got a striker so be it you have to make do with what you have and we are not a bad team .


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:48:04
Eds. - what is the status of Dani Pacheco now? Will he be in the 1st team squad? {Ed062's Note - on the fringes of the squad, in January he will most likely be sold}


 

 

03 sep 2012 16:16:34
fsg worst owners in football. ken bates could do a better job {Ed002's Note - Great parties Ken used to give.}


Get a grip, they may be guilty of naivety when it came to giving Kenny and Comolli so much money, but worst owners in football, I don't think so!


Wise up and get a bit of perspective


***RIVAL FAN ALERT*** Ignore.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:16:15
Brendan Rodgers says "it will be a big learning curve for the owners".I would say the Premier League is no place for learners or novices.Owners have to know more about the game than any of the American owners in the Premier
League do at the moment. Look at Man Utd -run on debt,Aston Villa-run on a shoe string.If one good thing comes out of the latest Liverpool debacle, it is that the days of American ownership in the Premier League appear to be well and truly over. Americans will think hard and long before thinking they can make a fast buck from "Soccer"; a game many Americans know or care little about.


I just thought i would let you know that 'soccer' is the most played sport in the US.

Mike B


Tosh. stop with the anti american theme it just shows how stupid you are.
safa


Yes but Liverpool football club is not situated in the USA!


American Football not Soccer, is the most played but also the most watched sport in the U.S.A


Good post, totally agree


Why do persons who write complete tosh never sign it??

dd


Most played sport in America is ten-pin bowling, played by 43 million people each year. According to the US Census Bureau, among the general population, bowling is the most commonly played sport in America (43 million), followed by billiards (29 million), basketball (24 million), golf (23 million), and baseball/softball (24 million).


Wrong. American Football is a big revenue driver in the US, but it is nowhere near the most played sport. Soccer, as us crazy 'Yonks' call it, wins in a landslide. The AYSO is the largest youth soccer organization in the world and there are far more adult soccer leagues in the US than any other adult organized sport.

We may not be very good at it yet and it may not be the same as it is in England or the rest of the world, but we're getting there and we've got a pretty good size population to work from.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:14:59
Eds do you know of any decent free agents , other than Drogba , Anelka
(i know their not free yet) and Owen who might be of interest ?
Go on , speculate !

JR {Ed002's Note - I gave a name about 30 minutes ago. Hungarian option.}


Ed, normally you say Mr Első Post is who we should look for. What's changed?

Jolly Red


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:14:32
Boot room blarney - dont think we should of changed our team from man city game ,felt we lost our spark this time,what do you think of comments in todays sun on owen, drogba , personally i think wages will be too high,still think we will be ok and bounce back ,we need to pick up maximum points from all teams in bottom half of table and we should be up there instead of previous where we drew a lot against lower teams, like to see us not be so cautious and just go for it ,lots more improvement needed hopefully BR can sort it out


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:32:15
I think this letter to the fans just shows how naive some of the fickle fans we have at this club. These guys have a plan. BR has a plan. They are not after a quick fix. I've never seen such a bunch of impatient, rude and to be honest horrible people associated with our club. It's time a lot of you took your heads out of the clouds and started to live in the real world. Read the mans letter, actually listen to what he says, listen to what BR says.He wants certain types of plyers and over time he will get them but he won't be held to ransom as we saw with Gylfi. If he doesn't like what Andy does but Andy goes out for West Ham and scores a bucketful of goals and helps take points from our rivals, is that not helping us too. You really need to think what is best for the club. I for 1 completely support the plan, it's a way forward in the correct manner and when it clicks it won't be for 1 season, it will be for a future dynasty please God. So read the letter, let those that should run the club, run the team and let us as fans do what we should and support. YNWA Simonpw


Good post, its about time the real Liverpool supporters started to voice their opinion and weed out these so called liverpool fans, they are dragging us down with their short sighted, immature outlook.

YEA!!


The naievity shown is yours. So you really think Henry bought Liverpool for altruistic reasons.If this were the case,he could have sunk his money into charitable causes. He is purely a businessman whose main intention is to make money.If he can dupe many fans along the way then this is fine.


So where in this great plan does it say , we will not buy any strikers , let a few of the ones we got leave , AC , bellers , kuyt , maxi etc , bring in one borini , who has little experience , into a team that struggles to score goals anyway !!
seems to me that FSG cant run a football club ,
I support BR , and the team , but think our club needs new owners , who will invest money to allow us to compete with top 5 clubs , and we are not in that bracket any more


So can you honestly see where we are going to win a game? we struggled against a scottish prem team and not one of the big two (which I know is now one but there ya go), we have sunderland away and Man Utd at home next two, can you honestly see us winning any of them? I have watched Southampton and they will give us more of a game than you think. its you who needs to get real and get your head out of the clouds, Henry says everything they are doing is for the best of the club and the fans but its not! We are a club in turmoil and this will continue as long as them owners remain. If we go another 5 games without a win I would like to see how you back BR and the yanks!


Let's think before we scream eh? It is going to take time..... Paisley's genius


I agree, dificult and all as it is and applaude the efforts to make the club fully sustainable. I would also like to blast those fans who allegedly took to twitter and abused JH's wife. Don't know the content as i don't use Twitter, but that sort of abuse is totally unacceptable and all true Liverpool fans should stand up and root these people out.


Both bellamy and maxi wanted to leave,you all cried and moaned whenever kuyt was played last year. Carrol wasn't ever going to be in BR plans. He wouldn't score to many sat on the bench would he. So the goals in time will come from all over the team, not just a striker. you really need to see the bigger picture. I would rather win the league consistently in a couple of years than hit and miss for fourth place this year or any other year to be honest, Simonpw


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:30:26
I just dont get some fans sometimes really i dont, OK so a couple weeks ago many of you were moaning that we dont give the youth enough chances to shine and come through. Then we dont sign anyone else and then again we are rubbish and have no chance blah blah blah make up your minds.

End of the day OK im not happy with the transfer dealings as we needed a striker even with Carrol. But not worth crying over spilt milk what is done is done. Support the team good or bad and i think we are going to have some seriously bad days but i really feel we are going to have some really good days this year. 3 games into the season people its not the end of the world, young supports these days just success this minute. John Henry's letter had points that i agree with, our wage bill was over 60% of our revenue each year if we want a club for another 100 years that had to change and they have taken steps to make sure it is changing, I feel that one of the reasons they came out and said BR wasnt targetted on CL this year as they knew this year was about cutting costs and just cause they are cutting costs doesnt mean that they are making a profit.

FSG have been naive in many ways but it seems they are on the right road to making sure LFC have a strong foothold on finances but I have to be honest if this is what we are going to do next year then im afraid my backing of FSG will change as we have trimmed the fat this year and next we will to add a few pounds.

LFC420 {Ed062's Note - I don't get them either mate}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:28:35
I can't believe the way some people think the world as ended because we have lost to Arsenal. Ok a disappointing start but we have plenty of time to turn it around and produce the performance like we did against City. Only 3 games gone so let's be positive and I can see 6 points out of 6 next two games.

Mighty reds


6 points out of 6 next two games

vs sunderland
vs man utd

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


0 points out of 6 next two games


We will get 6 out of 6 points. Guarenteed.

Mighty reds {Ed062's Note - Love the optimism mate haha}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:14:08
John W Henry just a quick word,get shut of that little gremlin ian ayre,or come january,it will be exactly the same..


Here here to that...!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:13:05
FSG OUT! And take your s**t lettler with you


What a n*b head you are. You have no idea what sort of state the club wa sin before FSG took over...Shall i tell you ? We were on the brink of going into administration
They have picked this club up off the floor and will slowly "But surely" get us back in and around the top 4
BR deserves a chance, it wasn't his fault a striker wasn't brought in on Friday
Fans like you should be ashamed of yourselves for the way you carty on
Get behind the club and manasger like any other decent Liverpool fan - If not, shut up!!


ReDDaZ


I would rather you get out and blog on another teams website, fans like you are not wanted


Sorry - but you are an person.


Yeah good idea get rid of the people who saved the club only 18 months ago!!

Without FSG there might have been no L.F.C!!!


In asia ther is a word Donkey drink Turbid the water. even the water is cleen they make it Turbid.
that what FSG is. now find a striker use £10m when u just £2m away from a good one.


Yeah that'll show them!
RealisticRed


FSG out , they dont invest enough money into this great club ,
they are running things on a shoestring ,
we need to invest now to get into champ league , the longer we are out of champ league , the poorer we will get , its false logic , once we are in champs league , then cut some costs , u wont get into it cutting costs now !!


I honestly cannot stop laughing at the original comment. "And take your sh1t letter with you!".

Priceless.

Ash


So I guess you have tons of money to invest or maybe you have one of your mates in mind who can take out hundreds of millions in loans. You tool.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:11:42
Raheem Sterling did many things excellently yesterday.
But one particularly stands out for me.
2nd half, just outside the gooner's 18: Oxlade skins and gains a coupla yards from Ster. Not more a second or two after, Ster's charged, harried and sprang on him, very assuredly, rudely and arrogantly steals it and off he goes. (Very much put Oxlade in his place.)

Brilliant, just... brilliant.
Desire and determination personified. That's the sort of fight, passion and hunger we should be demanding.

It is so refreshing from the enraging, pathetic and pitiful sight of the so-called seniors, only ever so interested in throwing their hands in the air when lost possession (Gerrard) or moaning and whingeing incessantly (Suarez).

'Kiddies' give you fight, energy and fearlessness, which is why I'm hoping Suso gets his shot soon.
The lad's unreal.

We have some top notch youth in our ranks. Jerome Sinclair, Ibe, Robinson, Yesil etc.
I look at these young guns and know that afternoons like yesterday's will be scarce occurrence

Today we are where Utd where over two decades ago, and, to an extent, Barca, a coupla years ago. Mediocre, starved of success and substantially outspent in the market by rivals.
Meantime, a pool of exceptionally talented
youth was emerging. Scholes, Giggs, Beckham etc for United and Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc for Barca.

So have hope, chaps.
I waited long and hard for the day we would rid ourselves of the vermin that was Hicks and Gillet. So I sure as hell am NOT going to lose my patience now when we on the verge of something special. NEVER.

Four things likely to happen the next 4-8 years that should have any Liverpool fan excited:

1. A 60 000+ redeveloped, state-of-the-art Anfield
2. Suso, Ster, Seba, Ibe, Sinclair and Shelvey will be top, top notch and will form the core of the side.
3. We'll be playing the most wonderful football under the brightest manager and challenging strongly up there.
4. The club will be the self-sustaining and properly run institution it should be with an ingrained, clear identity and ethos.

So just be patient and get behind the owners, Brendan and the boys.
It WILL come good. It did at United and Barca, and it's doing at Borussia Dortmund.

BARNEY


Totally agree with you Barney.

To many fans just want instant success, and an unlimited pockets of cash to spend on players.

I think the lack of players coming in on the deadline day, could be a good thing as the youth can get promoted to the first team squad much quicker.

Basil


Rodolfo borrell is doing a fantastic job with are youth players.

ACHILLES.


Beautiful Dreamer


I agree with most of what you are saying and believe we will be on a good footing IF people have patience. However, we also need to be careful - you could have just described Arsenal there and what have they won recently?


Just so u know you have rafa benitez to thank for are fantastic youth system wee have.

IN RAFA WE TRUST.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:10:36
Who do you think would be liverpools best option(striker) to sign that is a free agent, apart from OWEN! {Ed002's Note - Szalmaszl Megragadva.}


Hi Ed

What about - Mendezlova suarenco, he is only 21


How about

Metittos isbigos


Haha. We certainly are ed002.
RealisticRed


Lijepo jedan ed!


Learnt a few new dialects during your recent travels i see ed ;) top notch answer as per usual!

west cork red {Ed002's Note - I do what I can to ease the pain man.}


Does that mean tattooed and pierced Ed. have been trying my best to figure out the joke. Thanks for all your hard work, love the site. Jaffer 81


Ok I've got it now, it's clutching at straws. My Hungarian is better than I thought ! Your a bad bad man Ed 002. Jaffer 81


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:08:54
Hi Eds, Any chance you could shed some light on the FFP rules? Do clubs HAVE TO abide by these? Have they come fully into effect now or if not when will they?
Jayo {Ed002's Note - I must get to this and I should have a little more time available now. They come in (fully) in June 2014. But don't worry about them too much. As time allows I will get to it.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:51:29
Is it true that if we dont sign any one by tomorow 5.00 pm then we would have to wait till jan?
Aneesh {Ed002's Note - This has been dealt with Aneesh. But Liverpool will not sign anyone who is out of contract unless they can improve the squad.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:47:20
Please post this eds

From bbc news

"Brendan Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, said last night that he would be willing to investigate bringing in Didier Drogba or Michael Owen as emergency reinforcements, after admitting that he would not have allowed Andy Carroll to leave on loan to West Ham United on Thursday had he known his club would deny him £7m Clint Dempsey from Fulham"


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:14:08
John W Henry just a quick word,get shut of that little gremlin ian ayre,or come january,it will be exactly the same..


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:11:42
Raheem Sterling did many things excellently yesterday.
But one particularly stands out for me.
2nd half, just outside the gooner's 18: Oxlade skins and gains a coupla yards from Ster. Not more a second or two after, Ster's charged, harried and sprang on him, very assuredly, rudely and arrogantly steals it and off he goes. (Very much put Oxlade in his place.)

Brilliant, just... brilliant.
Desire and determination personified. That's the sort of fight, passion and hunger we should be demanding.

It is so refreshing from the enraging, pathetic and pitiful sight of the so-called seniors, only ever so interested in throwing their hands in the air when lost possession (Gerrard) or moaning and whingeing incessantly (Suarez).

'Kiddies' give you fight, energy and fearlessness, which is why I'm hoping Suso gets his shot soon.
The lad's unreal.

We have some top notch youth in our ranks. Jerome Sinclair, Ibe, Robinson, Yesil etc.
I look at these young guns and know that afternoons like yesterday's will be scarce occurrence

Today we are where Utd where over two decades ago, and, to an extent, Barca, a coupla years ago. Mediocre, starved of success and substantially outspent in the market by rivals.
Meantime, a pool of exceptionally talented
youth was emerging. Scholes, Giggs, Beckham etc for United and Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc for Barca.

So have hope, chaps.
I waited long and hard for the day we would rid ourselves of the vermin that was Hicks and Gillet. So I sure as hell am NOT going to lose my patience now when we on the verge of something special. NEVER.

Four things likely to happen the next 4-8 years that should have any Liverpool fan excited:

1. A 60 000+ redeveloped, state-of-the-art Anfield
2. Suso, Ster, Seba, Ibe, Sinclair and Shelvey will be top, top notch and will form the core of the side.
3. We'll be playing the most wonderful football under the brightest manager and challenging strongly up there.
4. The club will be the self-sustaining and properly run institution it should be with an ingrained, clear identity and ethos.

So just be patient and get behind the owners, Brendan and the boys.
It WILL come good. It did at United and Barca, and it's doing at Borussia Dortmund.

BARNEY


And then I woke up!


Well said nice nice to hear something which is not doom and gloom!


Its nice to see someone else that sees the future in liverpool and not just a matchday supporter then forgets all about it till the next match.
Mike B


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:07:40
Liverpool U-21 have just drawn 2-2 with Manchester City who included Gareth Barry and Scott Sinclair.
DM2012


And so what, what do you want a medal


Sinclair looked as good as ibe and he had maybe a bit more space than ibe to do something.


Where did he say he wanted a medal you donut. He was just letting people know how the U-21s got on.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:04:19
Michael Owen is heading back to Liverpool. Not sure on the details but would imagine a pay as you play deal.
Sunderland enquired about bringing him to the northeast but the player says he wants to stay in the north west. He has a good offer from stoke but he has been waiting for a better footballing team to make an approach.

Personally I think it would be a good move for the short term. Forget who he has played for. At the end of the day he left us for the biggest club in the world at the tume. Benitez had the option to bring him back but didn't.

The source is from an ex Sunderland/Newcastle player that told me Adam Johnson was signing for Sunderland weeks before it happened.

Northeast red {Ed062's Note - isn't he at stoke now?}


He's going to Stoke. We're not going for a 'free agent'. Rodgers will take a couple from today's U21.


I think he is heading back to Liverpool cause he needs to go to waitrose for chilli chowmain, he is starving and may even go for the meal deal for one.

Evered


 

 

03 Sep 2012 16:02:36
hey eds,any chances of Danko Lazovic??he is a free agent isnt he....
Manoj YNWA {Ed002's Note - I would very much doubt it.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:57:18
Hi eds , can u answer me this question please ? i have read henrys letter to fans , which he has obviously had to write because of the upset fans reaction to the transfer mess !
he talks about buying young players , because they have resale value , and that when good ones become available , then LFC will try to buy them !
so why didnt LFC buy sturridge in the window ? they were told he wont come on loan , but they refused to buy him ? if they wernt willing to spend 15 million on sturridge , then surley they are just cost cutting ,

whats your view on this please eds ? {Ed002's Note - I have explained repeatedly for the past year that the money would not be available for spending sprees. If Carroll had of been sold then it may well have been different. He wasn't.}


But ed002 henry keeps saying he will buy and he will spend on young tallent more lies {Ed002's Note - I suspect that the fans have mentally separated expectations. There should be nothing you don't already know. You have not been believing the board rather than me have you?}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:54:17
Well Ed If they can't afford a player who is in last 6 months of contract, they should seriously consider selling the club. It is ridiculous we can't even better Llorente's wages of what he is getting at Bilbao. If its the likes of Tottenham, Juventus we can't afford to compete against, I think they should sell ASAP.

Well anyway its only pipe dreams that we will buy anyone in January considering the way we do our business. Even if we do it will be at the tail end of window and def not the start of it and Jan is busiest month for any team in England. These guys hate Jan Window and get ready for bottom half finish this season.

AJ {Ed002's Note - I imagine with the constant bleating of fans, the threats and abuse, Twitter, Facebook pages etc. it won't be too long before they look at the options available. Eventually you will really get something to complain about.}


The sooner FSG sell up the better , and why is it when fans try to just put over their point of views that you dont agree with , then we are accused of being nasty or abusive ?
i dont agree with abusing anyone on twitter etc , but if the owners live abroad , and they dont come back and speak with the fans groups , then they will get abuse , its sad i agree ,
i love LFC and support the club , i support BR ,
i dont support FSG , in my oppinion they arnt investing enough funds into this club for us to compete with united , city , chelsea , spurs etc
but just because we dont agree , it does not mean im a nasty , abusive , whinging fan , after 45 years supporting LFC , going to 15 to 20 games a year , i think i have the right to put over my point of view in a constructive way
i do feel all you eds just stick up for FSG come what may ,
well many of us fans dont support FSG


Ok, Jusr suppose the worst happened, in your humble opinion would there be many takers willing to buy LFC?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I would suspect another solution would be looked at rather than a sale to other buyers.}


I don't think what Ed002 is referring to is 'selling up', mate.

I encourage all anti-FSG supporters to go out and start beating the bushes for a multi-billionaire sugar daddy. I'm pretty sure if one were to offer say 500M+ to FSG, they'd sell. Good luck with that. Otherwise, shut up already. Easy to 'FSG out', but who replaces them?


They have to support FSG because they are running the club not just throwing money at the problem we are in a world recession because of people like yourselves who see money as a meaningless commodity.

Kopping a feel


The other solution being? Ed?

The Irish Rover


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:53:49
Is there any option for Andy Carroll to return back from his loan
Brendan Rodgers:Oh yes in January
Harsh
YNWA


Why is it harsh? It is true, we can get him back in January.


YES our saviour, ANDY CARROLL, scored so many goals for us I cant wait!!!!


Who said he was our saviour? Just pointing out that we can get him back in January.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:52:45
When Rodgers brought in the STRIKER Borini the main thing I was hearing about him was his movement off the ball.
Surely he should be played just in front of Suarez in a more traditional 4-4-2 (4-4-1-1) formation.

Suarez can score, but he's certainly not suited to play up top alone. Which in a 4-3-3 he is. I think he'll profit a lot more from having Borini along side him.

Sterling now has to start on the left and Allen in the middle. Gerrard could either play along side Allen or on the right which would leave Lucas, Sahin, Shelvey or even Henderson (who could also play on the right) to play a central role.
Assaidi still to come into the team and Yesil is said to be one of germany's most promising talents..

Things can only get better. Right?

The Adbomb


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:52:05
Am I alone in being obviously disapointed, and slightly concerned at the lack of fire power. But also pleased the club is being run responsibily at last, with a clear vision. Some people seem to forget we wasn't a million miles away from not exsisting as a business 18 mnths ago, I couldn't support a team which is the play thing of a multi billionare playing fantasy football with our club. we as fans need to be patient, I think we have a great manager younf yes, but more coaching experience then most with 20 year on him in age. we are moving to a style more accustomed to the traditions of the club, we are not ploughing ourselves into debt or panic buying (35m carroll) the squad is small but has argubly more quality, as we could off load Joe Cole he can do a job up front, and ed's no ones mentioned that if the money saved in wages of those departed is put back into purchasing players, this could considerable bump up our kitty for Jan. I think we all need to chill out, Arsenal game forget about we we playing them at their own style after only a few months of adopting it ourselves, lets use the Man City game as a gauge to what the group is capable of and get behind the team. Dempsey is all we missed out on and I was never convinced, he could offer more then what we have.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:50:53
Just watching the Ressies on LFCtv. It's 2-2 with about 10mins left.
Haven't seen it all but I'm very impressed with Adorjan and Pelosi. Also Sama and Ngoo.

ANFIELDPETE


Yh Adorjan kept the game flowing Pelosi alway made himself available if only Bijev had a work permit.

Sama a rock like always made two really good interceptions.

Ngoo should get his 15-20mins he deserves it.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:47:06
Does anyone know why Ronaldo is "sad"? {Ed062's Note - probably doesnt know what to do with his money haha}


Bad hair day.

si666


He probably hasn't looked in a mirror for a day or 2 and is getting withdrawal symptoms.

Kev. {Ed062's Note - or that}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:46:55
Ed,

FSG talk of a scouting and developing your own players...Before the deadline, we had around 4-5 players from the youth set up in our playing squad...So why did FSG get rid of Pep Segura as well?

The cost cutting has simply been enormous....Another example I can think of is Bruckner...We had a fantastic injury record last year but it seems even good performance is not good enough for survival under this new regime....

LiverBird


FSG didn't 'get rid' of Pep Segura - he left as he was hoping for a promotion to First team coach and Mike Marsh got the job. I thought that FSG believed he was doing such a good job with the youth he would be wasted on the 1st team.


The cost cutting is big because the ongoing losses are even bigger.


You seriously need to do some research before you rant.

1. Pep resigned, FSG didnt get rid of him, he was meant to get promoted but because of new management they couldnt do it so he left.

2. Bruckner was only their for the short term to set up the department and if you read his statement when he left it stated that he is glad with the work he achieved.


He was overlooked by a former player and Englishman from liverpool is what happened. Pep's CV is ten times the CV Mike Marsh has that is why he went.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:32:03
Eds, I confess, I watch all Liverpool games on the internet for free. I don't want to buy sky cos I don't want to give my money to Murdoch, it seems like buying the sun to me. In any case buying sky I would not be able to watch every Liverpool game as I do. My question is why don't Liverpool televise all their matches on the internet? I would not object at all paying for such a service, knowing the money was going to a good cause like buying new strikers (or no as the case maybe). I've even been thinking of making a donation to LFC to clear my moral conscience, paying 10 quid for every game I've watched. It seem like the club are missing out on a marketing trick here. Of course I'd love to go to Anfield every game, but I don't live in the UK and it is impossible to get a ticket unless on the black market, which is really expensive.


Because we are tied into a TV rights deal with the PL and all the other 19 teams in the league!


Because the games don't belong to Liverpool - they belong to the Prem/FA.


Contractually impossible, but otherwise I'm sure the owners would love to do this.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:45:15
a newspaper this afternoon is claiming Didier Drogba is not intersted in becoming a liverpool player,hardly surprising,were a mid table team nowadays clutching onto the last bit of dignity we have,judas owen is the only hope we have now to a goalscorer.released by united,what a shambles we have become


"clutching onto the last bit of dignity"...and the award for the biggest drama queen goes to you..congrats lol

Bazingaa


"clutching onto the last bit of dignity"...and the award for the biggest drama queen goes to you..congrats lol

Bazingaa


If ur a supporter then support!!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:44:24
bye BR
welcome back RB

♥ Lfc ♥


Its hardly BR's fault. His style of play is already looking good (Man City game) also Allen. He looks awesome and arrived thanks to BR.

Blame Ian Ayre


Shut up you muppet.


Whoever is agreeing with this load of nonsense needs their head examining.


What's happening with British Rail


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:41:24
ok once again the owners come out and feed the fans with more crap. they have done a great job on trying to get the club back on track. no one can take that away from them. i for one do understand that they are not going to keep putting millons after millons in to try and keep up with man citys and so on. i also get where they come from with the club. we dont want to rip the club apart. once again they chose to change the manger and then that manger didnt want half the squad so got rid. with out thinking and brought in what he wanted 3 players. allen great signing,as for the other two we will see. still no goal scorer. we did not need to change as much as he did. all we needed was a goal scorer, two wingers but no he has rip the squad apart and left with 19 players. if i think back to what br said when getting the job he said he did not need to sell to buy so if he knew kuyt,maxi,fabio were going he did not need to get rid of all the players he did. he should of given it till jan and if they did not work to what he wanted then he should of sold them off but no. i think the owners,mangement,ian a, should just be honest and say we f**ked up big time. i dont give a crap what the owner have to say this just the same old crap coming out. lfc do not need to spend millons we have some great players and a great foward in carroll but br made it very clear that he did not want him but got nothing else in. so to be honest its own doing and could end up costing him his job. the owners can keep going on about taking time but i just cant see the fans going to games to watch us lose. the fans will get on br back if results dont start coming.


FSG just do not have the funds to make liverpool great. {Ed062's Note - How much did Montpellier spend?}


FSG just do not have the funds to make liverpool great.


And how rubbish is the League 1 compared to PL {Ed062's Note - thats not the point, they still had to compete with far better teams than themselves}


This 19 player is nonsense! BR said that in training the other day he was working with 19 members of the squad. That doesn't mean he has 19 player!

Here is a simple task for you. Go to the official LFC site. Select 'Team > First Team' and then count...The majority of those have 1st team experience too! I count 32 players excluding Carroll and Spearing.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:36:47
Its only 16 weeks to the Transfer Window.
Its not easy to pick up quality at Jan but who should we look at.

Soldado, Schurrle, Lewandowski, Falcao, Sturridge, Walcott,


Haha, your kidding yourself mate, we don't need strikers at Liverpool, BR stated that as well.


We cant afford anyone thats going to cost over 10 million mate lets face it


Lewandowski and Falcao are not interested. Schurrle is not a target.


Think most if these options are out of our price range, bag us selling some of the fringe players.


Falcao, what planet are you on lad, 60 million buy out clause,think before you type next time


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:35:43
You think ronaldo was crying in the dressing room because of the current predicament at Liverpool. I always knew he was a fan deep down. January signing me thinks!
Tommy.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:14:54
John W. Henry: "I am as disappointed as anyone connected with LFC that we were unable to add further to our strike force in this summer transfer window. But this was not through any lack of desire or effort on the part of all of those involved." So what's he saying here, no one was even trying any transfers on deadline day, lol, I can just see Mr. Henry parked on his yacht in Boston harbor all labor day weekend thinking up his excuse . . .


No that's not at all what he is saying. If you think that then I'm not sure you have read it properly, try reading it again and if you come to the same conclusion then go through it once more but with a dictionary next to you for any words with more than two letters.

Nye


Why didnt we buy sturridge if were after young striker who score goals , its seems sturridge wanted to come , but refused a loan , wanting a perm move , if FSG are not just cost cutting , and i think they are , why didnt we buy sturridge ?
its false logic , because we will now pay way over the odds in january window , because we will be desparate to get a srtriker , and every club will know this , the january prices are higher anyway than summer windows {Ed002's Note - I have explained repeatedly for the past year that the money would not be available for spending sprees. If Carroll had of been sold then it may well have been different. He wasn't.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:12:48
Owen has signed for Stoke.


Thank God imo

Muggitzo


I really hope so.

ANFIELDPETE


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:12:01
Hello eds and reds!

I know I might be exaggerating but is there any chance we might go for Cristiano Ronaldo in Jan?I know I am day dreaming but after the night at Istanbul I have come to conclusion that nothing is impossible!So what is his wages and transfer fee we have to spill?He wants away thats certain!Your thoughts LFC fans!

Aneesh {Ed002's Note - No, it won't happen.}


This has to be a joke.


I think its a big cost but we would instantly win the league. probably cost 80m and 300k per week. but when you think of it, we could buy 5 new players for that money and i can guarantee we wouldnt win the league. but it wont happen. jayo


I think its a big cost but we would instantly win the league. probably cost 80m and 300k per week. but when you think of it, we could buy 5 new players for that money and i can guarantee we wouldnt win the league. but it wont happen. jayo


The club have no interest in making bids for sensational purposes only. He most likely will not be leaving Real Madrid in January anyway.


Aneesh you been smoking the waci baci.


We wouldn't win the league if we had Ronaldo.


You couldnt even afford fat ronaldo


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:07:40
The Turkish transfer window is open till Wednesday. Any decent forwards there?


Steve068


Their window is open not ours.

Mike B


Turkish clubs can bring in players but clubs who have their transfer window closed, like us, can't sign any of their players.


Lol. ours is closed. he couldnt be registered. seriously chaps; stop flapping, we'll be fine.
remember the souness era? well i do. i promise you it cant be that bad again

Len


Only Turkish teams can buy players mate

S-U-B


The transfer window governs when players can move into that league not out of it, so teams in Turkey can sign players from us but we cannot sign players from them.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:07:36
Can't understand the poison pens towards FSG - are they dragging us through mud like the Venky's?

I only speak for myself: Our club has been ailing for the longest time; there are so many deepset problems that it will really take 2 - 3 seasons before recovery sets in. I'm thankful they have saved us from the predicament Rangers & Leeds face. Ask yourself - if the club you own is already suffering huge losses, are you going to commit even more funds to keep it afloat? That's what they are doing.

It's all good and well when the club is performing well, but the true test of support is only revealed in the toughest times. The toffees has gone through years of fire, and we find hard to swallow, but they are reaping the rewards of a united squad who has played together over 2 - 3 seasons. We have to do the same - keeping our key players and building a strong team that will challenge consistently the next few years.

The Liver bird has to go through the storm and fire before it rises again. No short term solutions - it only covers up the holes. It takes time, the long term and youth is the key to success. I'll still support this club even if we go down, because there's really no other club like ours, and if the truth hurts, so be it. We'll get through this.

Singred


I disagree , FSG are cutting costs , they didnt sanction enough funds for dempsey , so we are now short of goals , they had a chance to buy sturridge , a young goals scorer , who wanted to come but not on loan , but they wouldnt spend 15 million on him , isnt it FSG policy to get young players , dosnt sturridge fit this profile ?
i support LFC , i dont support FSG , until they start investing money into this club


Agreed. Let's just hope the storm doesn't take us close to a drop!


Its been 'a very long' storm indeed.
Some might think like you, but don't lose track of the fact that FSG are here to make money, nothing else, thus the views and opinions of the fans/supporters are a very distant second.


Its been 'a very long' storm indeed.
Some might think like you, but don't lose track of the fact that FSG are here to make money, nothing else, thus the views and opinions of the fans/supporters are a very distant second.


FFS - they are investing - we were the 9th highest spending club in Europe this window. hardly think you can complain just because we weren't 5th or 6th.


They bought a massive International Brand at a bargain basement price.
Sorry, they are no heroes, just businessmen cashing in!.
Profit driven capitalists!.


Cutting costs? Possibly. But then after allowing KK to spend over £100m on players with over inflated value and having been hit with £50m from the new stadium that never happened I'm not surprised. I'm sure that they're still fuming at those who were running the club and deciding the value of some of the players they bought. Dalglish / Comolli / Ayre...whoever told FSG that Carroll was worth £35m etc.

FSG are not in the business of losing money. That doesn't of course mean that they bought the club to strip its assets. I genuinely believe that they want to turn around Liverpool's fortunes.

Why do wealthy men buy into teams like Chelsea and Man City? Why do they chuck money at these clubs? Because they want to win. John W Henry wants to be a winner. It's clearly in his blood.

John W Henry and all at FSG are winners. Wealthy men from their business own successes. To own a highly successful football club will give JWH a massive amount of satisfaction. He will not strip LFC of everything and destroy the club as that will cause massive damage to FSG! Remember what the S stands for?

Does he want a return on his investment? Yes, of course. Show me a club other than Man C or Chelsea where the owners are happy to lose money!

FSG bought the club for peanuts. If they can return the club to profit having restructured the business then it will be a much more appealing purchase should they ever wish to sell than it was when they bought it. Remember, there was no big fight to buy the club. Others were clearly scared off by the problems behind the scenes.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:07:31
Suarez is best as a creative influence and Borini as a poacher. I'd very much like to see their positions reversed...and soon.

TravisLeeLFC


I agree, BORINI should play the poachers role with SUAREZ on the right. I thought BR would have tried it by now.


United fan here, Was thinking the exact same during your match. Borini looks lost. out on the wing. A number of times, he had time to whip in a ball but kept fluffing his lines; maybe better off in front of goal with less time time to think about it.

BornInToIt


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:04:07
The wonder kid is coming back to lfc on a 1yr deal.


But Sterling never left lol

Bazingaa


I hope you mean Robbie Fowler


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:03:12
i dont think br transfer targets very smart. he got allen who is good but other managers got better players for half his price.


Not when there British and 22 and Allen is already one of the best passers in europe.


If you have ever watched Allen play, then you would have noticed he is an exceptional player for such a young age, and will only get much better..

STEVE

RED4LIFE


And how did that help us against Arsenal.


Come on then smart a***. name the better players than Allen for half the price.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 15:02:14
Worried LFC fan. Yes - only three games played.

Challenges are - lack of confidence, lack of goal scoring threat, new manager / style, small squad, organization challenges (Ayre, FSG, BR) plus other teams have improved (West Brom, Fulham, Swansea, Everton .. even Southampton look good despite last position).

In the last 20 games in the league, LFC have gotten 13 points .... that is dire.

Forget about challenging for top 4; I'd take mid-table at Christmas.

I am all for supporting the club and the new manager, who will clearly need time ..... but let's not think that supporting the team means blindly ignoring the issues.

Faro


Nobody is ignoring the issues...Rodgers said they'd be highs and lows this season...and guess what..he was right...give the team a break. your right about 1 thing though...it has only been 3 games.

Bazingaa


RELEGATION BATTLE MATE , WE CANT SCORE GOALS , OR WIN GAMES , ITS AS FRIGHTENING AS THAT ,
I FEAR FOR OUR FUTURE TBH ,
WE NEED STRIKERS IN JANUARY TO SAVE OUR SEASON
FSG NEED TO START SPENDING MONEY OR ITS CHAMPIONSHIP FOR US {Ed062's Note - LOL}


There are some right drama queens on here. Yes that is you Mr Capital Letters.


We could well be in a relegation fight if the form doesn't adjust. It's been a terrible calendar year for league performance. {Ed062's Note - we wont be in a relegation fight.}


You would think there were only 3 games left the way people are going on and on.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:59:56
Our once great club is now reduced to scrapping around the world lookin for free agents to come in and try and Nick us a few goals ! Any one else feel very embarrassed by this ? Very unhappy supporter ! Ynwa


Blah blah blah...I dont remember the club saying anything about looking for free agents...thats just some emo fans making alot of empty noise...Jesus...I'll agree with you about 1 thing...after reading your post I too am embarrassed for you..grow some balls lol....sorry I meant that with love..dont hate lol

Bazingaa


LFC are not scraping around looking for free agents . We are dealing with the players we have .

TheScarf


You obviously didn't hear Rodgers when he said he will ask the question to the owners about Owen and drogba so you moron! Blinded by rose tinted glasses ,


No ur wrong Mister 'I'm-gonna-start-calling-people-morons-cuz-I-cant-think-of-anything-logical' what he said was "Any player I believe can improve the squad I will look at, and if being a proud rational Liverpool fan is "Blinded by rose tinted glasses" then yay better then being some sad whiney lil emo...btw congrats at being back at school today...I hope Mummy didn't miss you too much hehe

Bazingaa


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:57:37
Arsenal are a very well run football club who have without having to spends millions upon millions have made it into the champions league (albeit jut to make up the numbers! Lol) for the last however many years, have a new stadium and top class youth setup and more importantly are financially secure. We would do well to use them as a business model.

And while undoubtedly I will now be told to 'go support arsenal as you love them so much' I would still say that Arsenal would not be a bad club to use as a blueprint.

davethebutcher


An have won nothing in years deano mcc


Arsenal is the blueprint that a lot of clubs are now useing,i may be wrong but i think fsg even visited arsenal and their acadamy a few years ago.i think you are being a bit unfair to arsenal with regards to the CL,for 2-3 seasons in a row they met barca in the knockout and quarter final stages,no disgrace getting beaten there


Arsenal are being used as a blue print...
There is no doubt about that....But I suddenly have a feeling that probably FSG may be looking to start work on the redevelopment of Anfield in the near future (this season or next season)....

A prelude to this probably was the naming rights idea mooted by the owners few months back....Probably they were testing the waters...

Naming rights may well cover a significant part of the costs involved in the redevelopment...Owners might well be looking to repeat what they did with Boston Red Sox

But Arsenal are a wonderful club whose model can be followed...

LiverBird


Borussia Dortmund is the one I prefer - 2005 nearly bankrupt, get in fine young manager and win the league. How? Get rid of average, overpaid players, rely on youth, play decent football.


Personally I would sooner see us become a self sufficient financially secure club then just throwing money at any old Brazilian/Argentinian/Spanish fancy dan who wouldn't keep his toys in his pram long enough for us too win the league.

Arsenal may sell there best players at there peak but they have still been above us for the last 4 years

davetherbutcher


Well said Dave.
We won the league Cup, but still FSG gave KK the sack.
So what do FSG truly aspire to, is it trophies or pots of money (like Arsenal).
I know what I want.
Cabernet. {Ed002's Note - Dalglish was sacked for two reasons - the League Cup was not a consideration.}


Just I be clear my original post was A reply to one by dean mcc who for some reason thinks that arsenal are a terrible blueprint, but I don't know where that post has gone!

I am of course only joking about them making up the numbers in the CL! I noticed a few Arsenal fans on here floating about on here earlier so just trying to rile them! Haha.

davethebutcher


Arsenal model or dortmund model?
i just want to point out one thing,last year dortmund where league champions and hadnt been beaten in a year or somthing like that,they where in arsenals CL group,arsenal finished top,dortmund finished bottom.german football in general "bayern excluded" is weaker than the premiere league therefore taking everything into account is a lot cheaper to assemble a competetive team,in the prem dortmund could easily finish 7th-8th.thwerefore the only logical model fsg can follow is arsenal.i think?


Dave this is dean mcc the post is further down,arsenal is a well run club they self supported club yes their youth is great,that is all down to the wonders of wenger not to the board who invest nothing!who dont pay the wages of their star players so they can move them on for a tidy profit!this is what fsg have tryed with agger an suarez an failed if they got that money they would of bought a striker an lemmings would be coming on here saying how wonderfull fsg are letting rodgers spend that money just like they did when torres was sold!do you want a club that sells thier stars to thier rivals year after year cause thats whats coming!
deano mcc


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:56:17
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the reasoning that u don't allow one of your main strikers to leave unless you've signed someone else - the owners are not novices when it comes to sports! Best to not make excuses!


I don't think we will miss Andy Carroll at all , regardless of how he performs for West Ham .

Brendan Rodgers would have played him only a few times anyway and he rarely performed for LFC .

At this rate a few youngsters will play when required and be far better for the experience in the long term .

TheScarf


No mate everyone knows that apart from the owners that is.


Why didnt FSG buy sturridge ? hes young , scores goals , he wanted to come , but not on loan ,
i think reason is FSG are cutting costs , and didnt want to spend 15 million for him
why but LFC if you wont spend enough money to get into champ league ?
i support BR and LFC , i dont support FSG


Completely agree - I'd rather blood the youth players and hammer home the new style of play, rather than revert to 'lump it up to the big guy' any time the going gets tough.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:52:22
FSG and John W. Henry can do one for all I care! They want to act all ignorant any time they make a mistake, yet they have advisors, it may be time for new advisors if the ones you've got keep leading to mistakes. Last year they spent too loosely and this year's the opposite, too strict. Do they not know of the nursery rhyme "Goldilocks and the three bears"? How is it that they can keep fooling everybody with their blatant and feigned naivity, which comes from very shrewd businessmen. The statement today from John W. Henry is a joke and a slap in the face to all who support LFC because once again they are feigning ignorance, when we all know they know what they are doing. Lie to me once, shame on you; lie to me twice, shame on me.


I actually thought it was a great read and music to my ears . The future of the Football Club is in good hands .

TheScarf


Lie to you about what, exactly? I think they've been pretty clear all along about their policy on older players etc. I don't see an issue. What I think *is* an issue was that it took until deadline day for the question of 'will we stump up the cash for this older player' to be resolved. I was under the impression that the issue was more with local management (i.e. Ayre) trying to get clever and bargain hardeven though they had the cash, only to realise that he'd already annoyed Fulham and they always had the option of selling to Spurs.


Lie to you about what, exactly? I think they've been pretty clear all along about their policy on older players etc. I don't see an issue. What I think *is* an issue was that it took until deadline day for the question of 'will we stump up the cash for this older player' to be resolved. I was under the impression that the issue was more with local management (i.e. Ayre) trying to get clever and bargain hardeven though they had the cash, only to realise that he'd already annoyed Fulham and they always had the option of selling to Spurs.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:49:41
Royston Drenthe? Can provide cover at left back and would give us another option upfront. What do ya think eds?

Drew {Ed002's Note - Clutching at straws.}


I don't understand why no-one's signed him yet - he was great at Everton. I can only imagine that his wage demands must be extortionate, in which case we won't be signing him. Good player though.

Red Ollie


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:45:02
Rumour is that Fulham told FSG that they would only accept "silly money" for Clint Dempsey

FSG offered them chocolate coins ;)


...totally brilliant...put me in a great mood :D
Rey Izain


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:42:50
I never thought I would say this Because Stevie G is Liverpool but he didhas not looked good this year and I would consider dropping him

Gav


I agree his body language yesterday said it all..
He looked proper pissed off.

Phooey


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:42:28
Sign Owen and stick him in the reserves.

BthekingB


Haha, very good. Made me laugh out loud.

Ginger Rodgers


And bully him every day


I think his pay cheque at the end of the week would give him the last laugh.
RealisticRed


Get him to bend over on the goal line with his arse out so the rezzies can see who can hit him from the pen spot.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:36:37
Eds please post this.

3 games. Three games. III games.

We have played 3 games. 1st against West Brom who finished with 3 points less than us last year. 2nd against the super rich current champions. 3rd against Arsenal who finished 3rd last season.

Allen,Sahin,Sterling,Borini,Yesil and Assaidi have come in. They will need TIME to play together.

3 games in. persons calling the owners, the manager, our captain, Suarez and Reina . Well according to the doom and gloom person boo boys who are saying the season is over, then with that logic the final top 4 (after the grand total of 3 games) will be:

Champs = Chelsea
2nd = Swansea
3rd = West Brom
4th = Man City

Please go support another team and do us all a favour. We want real fans who understand real football. The rest can go play monoploy cause all they talk about is money money money. Liverpool have the best supporters in the world just at the minute they are shaking their heads at the other so called liverpool fans who want quick fixes and big names.


We have 1 point, one point from these games


That's all the owners care about is money, money, money . . . they are the ones who wouldn't get Dempsey . . . it's not about three games, it's about thinking maybe these owners do not have the means or decision making ability to run a club like LFC, u donkey . . .


Real fans, huh, like you I suppose, LOL . . .


I'm not looking for big players. Releasing Carroll, Kuyt & especially Bellamy without sufficient replacements is a best naive. Fact: Suarez missed a quarter of the season last year. Injuries and suspensions occur. Adequate cover is good policy for a club with one of the world's biggest fan bases. Maybe efforts were made but the summer transfer window is open for more than one day. The owners' "learning curve" needs a sharp accent.

Jag


It is a bad star however , the season is a long one and we have much to be enthused about in my opinion .

TheScarf


It doesn't matter how big the fan base is - what matters is that the clubs books have to be balanced or we'll end up like Rangers or any number of other clubs who've spent beyond their means. Excess spending will always come back to bite you. Much as I'd love a free spending billionaire to lavish funds on the best players in the world for us, the simple fact is a) there aren't many of them, b) they're not interested in us any way, and c) FFP will catch up with them sooner or later.
The club is still making a loss - which the owners are covering - even with the new sponsorship and losing a bunch of average, highly paid fringe players. We need more commercial development (as we are *years* behind some of the teams out there), more bums on seats, and more sensible purchases of players.


I thought the results from these 3 games were the same as last year - it just so happens that they all occur at the start of the season.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:32:14
Of all the free agents I've been scouting for Liverpool, here are the half decent ones that may interest the club.

Pls free to say a thing or two you know about them.
1. Danko Lazovic
2. Alfonso Alves
3. Eidur Gudjohnson.

Any two or all 3 of these would do for me.

The likes of sterling and Borini are way too young and inexperienced to be regular starters.

Despite Rodgers harping endlessly on tiki taka, all that i see in the final third is the same individual effort and very little team work.

We need start passing the ball in the opposition half and learn to defend well once we give itl away.


Danko Lazovic might work in this squad actually .


As the eds keep saying, their free agents for a reason


Alfonso Alves was a bit of a flop at Middlesborough. However, he does have a decent strike rate throughout his career.
ANFIELDPETE


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:51:04
Robert Kraft time for you to take the reigns!


Please God no, don't you think we have had enough of the poor variety of billionaires!


Robert kraft,hes the big cheese from philidelphia isnt he lol
i wonder what he would call the new anfield "the breakfast bagal" perhaps


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:50:50
i think we as lpool supporters need to look at the current squad , and the club as a whole and admit it is just not up their with the top sides anymore, but we are rebuilding the club , we will follow the borussia dortmand model and to a certain extent what arsenal have done as well , we need to use any money we make more wisely , increase revenue streams and increase anfield capicity to at least 60.000 , i will give you one name to show how shocking we have wasted money , and its the clubs money- aquaman- with his wages and transfer fee - around 30- 32 million down the drain , put this together with all the other madness that that has gone on silly wages of players and we see its not lack of money that has been our problem over the years, the simple fact is since the premier leauge began in 1992 liverpool have net spend- 249 million on transfers , man utd have net spend 220 million , now you start to see something is very wrong , from managers to owners to who was in charge of player contracts and player wages , if we do it right we should stick with br and let him build the club from top to bottom , forget 4th place or anything else , just let him build up this club , might take a season , might take a few, but this is just the way it is , we have lived of our name too much over the years, its time to move on and work as a squad , team, supporters who support the side , instead of getting on like babys when things are hard , grow up and stand up..............lfc


While I totally agree with what you (and John Henry) are saying about funds and balancing the books etc the concern is that without champions league we are firstly not going to be able to attract top players, but secondly and more worrying, we will lose our current best players. i know we have got players to sign new contracts etc but they will only wait so long for success. We can rebuild with the plan to win the league in 5 years, but a top player will not want to spend so long of thier 10-15 year career hoping. It may well eventually prove to be foolish for Spurs and otheres to spend so much money in pursuit of a top 4 finish, but we risk being left behind in the meantime. Also I think Mr Henry is hanging too much on the EUFA fair play rules, he is naive to think they will have any teeth or actually mean anything. Man City have already got round this with a £400m sponsorship deal with thier owners company!

I don't know the answers by the way...help!

Cheers, Mark


I wonder what arsenals net spend was,prob about half that!


The thing is mark, when the ffp rules come in you can only spend a certain percent that your club makes, at present we are running at a big loss, so we have to look at this first, leeds utd took a big gamble in one sesaon on champions leauge money- they overspent , never made 4th, the rest is history, look were they are stuck now , theres no easy way for us, you either have rich owners that have money to burn , or we make it on our own, being smart , looking at every way to increase income for the club, players come and go, and you are right we will lose some in the future, thats were arsenal have fallen down slightly , but its not impossible to get a winning side together, just harder to close the gap on the super-rich clubs, but lpool have world-wide support , the owners try to make more income every day for the club , so hopefully in time we go from running at a big loss to making a prophet, to br getting better players together over the next few years, put more in place with the youth system coming through , even better scouting , it will just take time, there is no quick-fix , we just have to be very smart as a club from now on,and hopefully get there...............lfc


But by not bringing in strikers, we risk finishing lower down the table, that impacts directly on revenues (viewership, and payment for league finish).
So save a few, but lose a lot more.
There's no logic.


Leaving things to the last day is a risk, hope they learn from it, theres no denying this time lpool have let the manager down, but i dont mind too much as long as this never happens again, you never know maybe the young german lad will break though quicker this season because of it , heres hoping.............lfc


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:49:00
Ed,052 J henry in his letter today said assaidi and yesil as future stars .. The guy was amazing for herenveen last season with bas dost and narsingh and he is not in contention for the starting eleven here even with our so thin front line !
he was brendan's signing anyway so when do u think he would get some chances here ?
we should keep borini on the bench or play him centrally and start assaidi wide right..


That letter was and is a joke . . .


How in anyway shape or form was the letter a joke, I for one have every faith thet Mr Henry and FSG know what there doing 100% more than some of the so called "Fans" that live in a "FIFA 12" dream world. I think Mr Henry is one of the best owners out there and for one would not swap them for any other of the mega rich owners....who seem so far removed from the real Fanbase.....3 games in that is it over god knows how many left to play.

Why people seem to the club is in some sort of crises I do not know....Mr Henry is right the state this club was actually in when they turned up was hours away from disaster. People need to get a grip on reality and stop taking what ever rubbish a website make up and the other media rubbish.

So...I for one think the club could not ask fro better owners, just because they dont go banding money around like your City and PSG etc I for one would not like this Great club to turn into an arrgant club with players only playign for big wages.

Al


So John Henry is now a football expert, what a joke.
He is just a rich dude, who is typically arrogant, and self opionated.


"So John Henry is now a football expert, what a joke." - Football expert or not...he knows how to run a business in sport..that he does have on his CV...how many owners are Football experts anyway?

"He is just a rich dude, who is typically arrogant, and self opionated." - think your refering to that Russian fella in London right?

Al


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:47:17
Can Lfc sign Del Piero/Drogba/Gudjohnsen ?? {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath. Del Piero is 54, Drogba currently contracted elsewhere and EG had his leg in plaster last time I saw him.}}


Del Piero is 37, 38 in November, in Gigss and Scholes age bracket, who really ever complains about those two {Ed062's Note - in all honest i would take him}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:24:17
Ian ayre every club needs a top finisher U shud face the chop n not only that u let ac leave wat were u thinking that's criminal very very unhappy red.IN buck I trust remember people give him a chance JON96 ynwa


Hasn't this been done to death by now!

Lyndon


Get off here, Lynda . . .LOL


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:24:12
We al know Lfc are 3 players short of a half decent team.. We need squad plays fast.. Free agents are the only option. I say Owen on a one year pay as you play.. The Royston Drenthe age only 25 Lb/Lw a good back up and better option than downing at Lb.. And Sinama Pongolle still only 27 and yes not the best but plays as a winger on as a forward 3..


Really? you think the way to improve Liverpool football club is to ignore the youth and bring in players that essentially nobody really wants? Personally I'd rather see the young lads get there chance

Bazingaa


Drenthe is a nut case mate so we would be stupid to even think about it, Owen yes,


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:20:25
Take a chill pill everyone. Even if we bought Dempsey he wouldn't have played against Arsenal so the result would have been the same. What's worrying is the style of play not that we got no strikers. Don't forget spain won the Euros without a striker at times. Our problem tactically is the same as always..... We don't attack as a team and we don't get enough bodies in the box. We play nice passing football but we don't have enough creative players that can put in a through ball but more importantly someone who can spot a through ball and get on the end of it. Suarez will never be prolific with this tactics as he needs many chances in a game. Borini is still young and not as good as BR says. I think before everyone panics let's see how the new players fair like Sahin. Sumo may have some impact or perhaps our new German youngster...only time and patience will tell but one thing is BR needs to address the way we attack as a team.

Speedy


ITs Gerrard and Carra's fault (even though he's not in the team)

That seems to be the mantra so I'll say it for the gerrard and carra doomsayers

Some of you need to get a life

Zeus


Gerrard this season, 3 prem games 3 mistakes, 3 goals conceded and Dan Agger sent off.

Carra 20mins prem and ran ragged by lukaku result a goal conceded.

get off your high horse mate

we all know which Liverpool players are not pulling their weight or taking responsibility, you can throw Pepe reina into the mix too, he's another playing like a dimwit

Hanto


Gerrard this season, 3 prem games 3 mistakes, 3 goals conceded and Dan Agger sent off.

Carra 20mins prem and ran ragged by lukaku result a goal conceded.

get off your high horse mate

we all know which Liverpool players are not pulling their weight or taking responsibility, you can throw Pepe reina into the mix too, he's another playing like a dimwit

Hanto


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:19:55
Hi all,

Currently sat in the Boot Room cafe at Anfield after a fantastic legends tour with Jan Molby (great bloke) and the rumours at the ground are that Michael Owen is at Melwood and that Nic Anelka could be on his way too. Don't know if it's true or utter nonsense but I thought I'd post what I've heard. Love the site and great work Eds. Remember all - no negativity and YNWA. Cheers, Gaz.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:18:26
Its time for radical changes. Player that aren't performing up to par should be dropped. There no other better keeper to challenge Reina for no. 1 , and i feel that shelvy should start the next game insted of stevie g. Not saying he is bad but has a bad run of form. But i don't see it happening. Hopefully our rookies cam bulk up and help us
pull through this torrid time until the next transfer windo.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:18:07
Eds, Macca, Blair, estemmed reds fans.

I feel we are in a very vunerable posistion as a club. As regards FSG the truth is probably between the two extremmes, THEY ARE NOT THE ANTI CHRIST TRYING TO GET US RELEGATED but niether are they CLEVER SHREWD WINNERS DOING THINGS THE "RIGHT WAY".

FSG took on a massive project with LFC, the problems were many and fan expectation sky high. However if we examine their decision making since their take over it has been poor, VERY POOR! The appointments have added to and compounded our problems. The much hoped for "FRESH START" has given way to a downward negative malaise, as one PR own goal follows another.

On the pitch we are sliding year on year further back in the premier league(this is compounding our poor financial position) , I believe Mr Henry would love to get LFC back on top and not just because of the finacial rewards. However I do not believe the strategy can or will deliver a winning team. If the club and fans believe that Dempsey was the answer then we are way off, he would have helped but with him we still would be woefully lacking depth.

FSG have sanctioned spending but it seems with little safeguards in place, we hear the wage bill was too high yes but they have also given average signings big wages.

Rodgers while let down by inept dealing has also added to lack of stability by trying to clear out the squad too quickly when funds were not available. Too many CMs aquired while our most pressing position was left to the 11th hour(Borini a fwd yes but not the definitive answer, his confidence will be shattered by a burden he cannot carry).

So following Surez gate and all the other PR own goals we conclude the summer transfer window with media and fans astonished at how weak we are and how big holes in the squad remain unfixed. And so the principle owner feels compelled to publically address the baying mob.

When FSG took over we hoped for quiet in house calm and clever decision making......

Anfield still seems a noisey and broken family home with little hope of an end to the storm.

For our part all we can do is cheer on the team, cheer on the kids or the has beens and not amplify the negativity but hope, hope with both fingers crossed that from within the club somewhere their is a leader of sufficient qualities to quell the tempest and walk with us down what will be a long and rocky road to recovery.

My optimism is nearly depleted over the last 2 decades of decline but I still follow,WHEREVER LFC GO I WILL FOLLOW.


For us there is no land beyond the Kop.

Danny.


Thous shall not step outside the pale


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:14:56
under 21s v man city is on lfc tv at the monment , i see br is there, maybe one or two more young players will get into first-team squad.............lfc


Hopefully there is a few ready to jump into the first team, I for one am glad they'll get a chance...for too long our youth has been ignored...I dont know how many times I heard fans on here moan that Stevie and Jamie were the last to come through.

Bazingaa


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:13:33
Question to the eds,

With us lacking in options up front is there any chance that Yesil will be given a chance or is he not ready? (I know very little about him so hope you can shed some light) thanks Liverpau1 {Ed002's Note - There are plenty of options buit I expect a cameo or two. Morgan is certainly ahead in the pecking order.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:10:41
Stop whinging everyone!!

Joe Allen, Nuri Sahin, Fabio Borini, Samed Yesil and Oussama Assaidi plus extended contracts for Luis Suarez, Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel

One thing though Eds, without a buying fee, would we be able to afford Drogba's wages as a free agent?

Brooksey 1973 {Ed002's Note - Drogba is not a free agent; has offers from elsewhere should he become one; would want a signing on fee and high wages.}


When did daniel agger extend his contract, i was waiting till today for fsg to extend it.

redh0t {Ed002's Note - A couple of weeks back.}


Agger never extended his contract, don't know where you got it from that he has.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:10:31
Funny how FSG are hiding behind FFP and using it as an excuse for striping of the club's roster. So what if FFP fails and no one follows it? Money talks (and especially loud) in football, so it's not implausible for a situation to occur where the teams who are the worst offenders are also the big draws for UEFA and CL. Does anyone really think they are going to ban or kick out any of the teams that will be in violation of FFP when those same teams are their biggest draws? And I'll bet that, in the coming year, we will start hearing more and more talk of how FFP just isn't plausible and needs to be refined in some manner. I, for one, hope FFP does really change the game but somehow I very much doubt it as some of the worst offenders of FFP are also some of the best teams in the world.


I dont belive FSG are hiding or stripping our club in anyway but I do share your doubts in regards to the Financial Fair Play agenda, to many potential loopholes but its a nice idea.

Bazingaa


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:10:25
Cheers Ed052, found the link to the list of Free Agents......it doesn't make great reading does it!
I don't know the injury situations with these 2 but I'd go for Klasnic & Tuncay I think. Klasnic seems to be a 6 yard box player from what I remember at Bolton, and we've had interest in Tuncay before in the Rafa days I believe?
Cheers, Dave D.


Come on Tuncay?? The guy who had to release a youtube video of his best goals so that people would notice him? and Klasnic has been released from a championship club.


Well its either them 2 or nothing. What do you want?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:09:56
Heskey is a target for br


In which case I can only hope that BR has a good aim.

Redjinal


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:06:59
So off the pitch were great. On the pitch were not. Wat do the fans care about? I understand we nearly went out of business and they saved us etc etc so now we have to say thanks and suck the performances up, and get on with it. Football doesn't work like that. They have no idea about the fans and Wat they want. Thanks John, because that's what you want to hear
Tommy.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:06:27
Ed002 is their any truth in the rumour that King Kenny is coming back.........................................................as a striker?????????


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:04:55
I think that we all need to stop panicking and accept that that an average season or two is well worth it if it means a stable club for the future. We do have a paper thin squad that will not be banging in the goals but we have a strong enough team and coach to keep us in the league. We have to remember that we have had 4 managers in about 5 years who have all brought in their own players which the next manager might want to get rid of. The owners have forked out enough money so far that has been wasted when the next manager has come in. I am confident that now that we have a long term manager and the deadwood has been shipped out we will now build. Next summer we will have benefitted from the money saved in wages. Stay positive guys this is the begining not the end.
RealisticRed


 

 

03 Sep 2012 14:00:41
Liverpool are in big trouble. Suarez is a class player but can't hit a barn door, Borini,well the less said the better and thats it attacking wise. Gerrard doesnt look interested, Reina is poor. Only good player at the min is Joe Allen.


Seem to remember Suarez hitting two barn doors last week, one from 25 yards


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:59:34
How can people on here blame the owners ?
We played well against man city and should of won.
If we had played 80% as well against arsenal as we did against man city we would of won.
I blame certain players for not performing, Gerrard (don't get me wrong has been Mr liverpool for years) did not and does not seen interested, and perhaps is now too old to be "working" under the Rodgers regime.
Suarez not a team player at the minute.
Enrique very poor yesterday both defensively and as an attacking force, always looking for a long pass.
Johnson, again defensively naive.
Reina ....... well letting shots beat him that under Benitez he would of instinctively saved with no problem.

I do feel that we were short tacticly yesterday as when we had the ball there was no movement through the Chanels for Allen or Sahin to pass to which caused us to pass sideways and backwards.
When we have the ball at the centre backs are receiving it out wide with the fullbacks in front of them we need to ensure the midfield hold a drop in as yesterday proved if you lose the ball were wide open.

Now let's leave the owners alone and let them build for our future. It's gonna be a long season but you know what, in 3 years our beloved club will be very strong financially and be able to compete with anyone.

What's your thoughts ed's ?

LFC1


U wouldnt have beat us even if cazorla , diaby and mertesacker were injured so shut u mouf
arsenal fan thru + thru


^^^^^^ What does this even mean?


Deluded arsenalfan.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:58:56
Croatian papers today; Liverpool ruining a done deal for Deportivo, Ivan Klasnic at Anfield


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:58:46
Hi Ed,

I think the Samed Yesil is a great prospect. Do you think BR will start to play him or it will take much longer to see him on the pitch? What's your thought,when are we going to see the guy play up front with Luiz Suarez. ?Please repond. I'd love to see this young lad play ... {Ed002's Note - Some cameos.}


I fink hes a gr8 buy 4 u and im an arsenal fan
arsenal fan thru + thru


Arsenal fan get over it...we made you look good..we were that bad


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:54:59
Window closed, build the bridge and get over it!!
Would rather see current players concentrate on simple accurate pass create space and build (Allen style) , unlike yesterday's clever flicks. To me that would serve greater purpose than any free agent.
Creative runs in final third is very poor.

Irish Red.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:54:12
I buy oil for some of the world 's largest refineries and if I had done what Ian Ayre has done then I would have been sacked. If I had left the refinery short of crude oil the refinery would have had problems and lost money. So sometimes I have to pay more than what I would like to make sure we lose less money overall.

Ian Ayre by refusing to sanction the purchase of a forward has jeopardised the following:

1. Our final league position and the money that comes with extra positions

2. Our ability to qualify for Europe next year (not just the champions league). Even the Europa league brings financial rewards (although small) in gate receipts and TV money.

3. Our ability to fight on 4 fronts. Being knocked early from the cups loses money from gate receipts.

4. Will hinder our ability to recruit players. We will need to pay a lot more to the player to compensate for what he is losing in order to attract them . Just like we did with Sahin but this time it will be with inferior players.

What Ayre and the Comercial team could put us back further than we are now.

YNWA


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:54:03
hi eds reds posted yesterday but it didnt appear. i like everyone else , was dissapointed with yeaterdays performence. ine thing that affected things was a cweaker bench. just when everyone was saying how strong we looked in depth, last week happens!! the other thing that worries more , is suaerez and borini playing inside out ! i said the same last week and i havent chasnged my mind. i know lots of us think the same thing , but the one who counts is br! i watched the interview with br after the game , and you could tell by his answers and his face , that he is very unhappy about another striker not arriving, and that a player was in place , but obviously something went wrong , but what? steven gerrard , where does he play in this new system? for me , if he is to continue as a first pick , he has to either play up top with suarez and borini, top of a diamond or , sit deeper , dictating the play . he cant play the midfield marouder anymore, time catches up with us all , even the best! pepe reina , whats wrong with him? one thing , maybe , is lack of genuine competition. a free agent is craig gordon , fit again after a long injury lay off , he surley is worth a punt , to at least try to give reina a push? as for a striker , anelka for me would be first choice , with owen second , i dont think drogba would come to us . finally , whoevers to blame for leaving us short upfront needs sacking! tanks eds for all your hard work , insight and opinions over the window , truly addicted!! godbless96 steviep62


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:42:04
Worst piece of transfer business in recent Liverpool history: buying Andy Carroll for £35m.

Second worst: Letting him go without an adequate replacement.

MKOP


I still feel it is Aquilani bought for 20m, paying his wages, and letting him go for effectively nothing.

BthekingB


They are very close but carroll is a higher price and more recent


Joe Cole anyone? I'd rate it Aqualani, Cole, Carroll (at least Carroll spent some time on the pitch).


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:41:35
fsg have said many times they want to base us arsenal!who his telling them arsenal is a good model to follow?my guess would be david dien who is probably on a 6 figure consultcy fee telling them how great he done at arsenal he got rid of a old manager got a new one in with fresh ideas who doesnt believe in spending big in the transfer market wants to buy young players with resale value,fabrgas 30 mill replaced by??am not really sure were that money went!van persie bought for a couple of mill sold for 24 mill when he passed 28!so who put fsg onto david dien?stan kronkie the majority share holder at arsenal who most of told fsg hes making a killing in the epl we sale big an replace with young kids an the manager never complanes!first thing that was done when they bought liverpool was sell torres 50 mill and they replaced him poorly,who got the blame?the ex arsenal man who was also recomended by obously david dien!
we sold to fsg by a chelsea man broughton an we are being run by a arsenal david dien!
please someone give us are club back!
deano mcc


OMG you're crazy.


Haha crazy maybe but it makes sense a lot of reports in the summer of david dien was the main man picking the manager an consulting with fsg.arsenal are a feeder club for barca an man city is that what you from liverpool fc?
deano mcc


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:37:19
Hi Ed's been away on hols and come back to the mess we are in.

On the bright side we kept all our better players.

What's your thought on maybe Drogba for 6 months deal, or will he have better deals already offered to him.

If not, my personal feeling is we soldier on with what we got. It could be worse, lets all remember what happened when Torres got injured, yep David Ngog was our only option.

Redphil


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:20:30
Hi Eds, can I know if we were to sign a free transfer it has to happen by this Tuesday since we have to submit the 25 names to the league?

So it means after Tuesday, the market will be completely shut for us (to find an experienced striker)? {Ed002's Note - If 25 names are submitted a free agent cannot arrive. Otherwise he can.}


Do under21 players have to be submitted, (Sterling, Coates, Shelvey, Borini etc.) have to be included in the 25 man squad?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:24:54
For all the people who keep on saying they cant see no hope: The owners have always said they will build for the future and we cant let a one deadline day hiccup cloud the fact that theyre getting there slowly but surely. Sterling (17), Suso (18), Shelvey (20), Coady (19), Carroll (23) if rodgers does keep him*, Wilson (20), Kelly (22), Yesil (18), Borini (21) and pacheco flanagan and robinson...surely if Rodgers keeps the majority of these were set for 10 years


Forget about the future, I want things perfect right now, and I am unwilling to give FSG or BR a chance. Just going to spit my dummy out, stamp my feet and go and sit in the corner sulking.


Wilson and Coady will not amke the grade. They r not good enough, BR has already decided their fate. Carrol wont come back after the way he was treated. Sterling, suso, texeira, kelly. coates, yesil and borini(if played in the centre) can be great players for us.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:21:52
eds - why not bring back anelka on a freebie, get drogba in on a free...why not bolster our attacking options as we still have no real number 9...we need a rushy....as for owen, why not take gim back...his positional skills alone shud get us a few goals and yes he can still finish.

would u mind compiling a list of free agents?

thanks

a dissapointed easyd {Ed019's Note - Wages}


Drogba and Anelka together earn about 500k per week. How could we pay them anything close to that. Why would we want to come to think about it!
RealisticRed


If he's a ree agent then he's currently earning 0. So what's the problem with wages


Pay as you play


The problem would be the demands that they would make for wages. They are not going to go from about 200k to 80k a week are they. They will want more. And even 80k would be too much to pay for what is going to be a short term solution. Just accept a sacrifice of an average season for the long term future of the club.
RealisticRed


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:18:12
Eds I just seen in a bookies window that BR is 2nd favourite to be sacked. If he does get the boot, which I don't think he will, do u think Harry Redknapp would be in the frame to take over? {Ed019's Note - He won't get sacked}


To sack him would be ridiculous. He's had ONE window where we signed some quality players, but failed to deliver on deadline day, something that was no fault of Rodgers. He's had just three games, one of which we outplayed the reigning champions (a team full of amazing, but overpayed players). He's introduced a brand of smart, technical football to our club that will see us playing in the CL sometime in the near future.

The owners aren't stupid.

ChrisMiz


Why would he get sacked. He has played 3 games. Geeez, give him a chance, he is not a miracle worker, it will take time.


F ing person, people like you that do my head in, it's as if your wishing we get beat so you can have a moan


Certainly wouldn't want Redkrapp anyway, Rodgers needs the time to carry out his plan.


Sacking him now would pretty much destroy the club. who would come in? where would the dosh come from? would the new man have to strip the squad out again?

Sounds like the worst plan since the invasion of Afghanistan (any of them)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:17:57
I have a horrible feeling that we're not even going to make a move for any free agents, if that is the case then that's ridiculous, it couldn't be more obvious that we need help up front. If we persist with what we've got then by Xmas our front line will be knackered and we will be in the bottom half of the table. Not being negative just realistic, it isn't that we've been beaten it's the manner of those defeats, we didn't ever look like scoring and that's extremely worrying. {Ed019's Note - Why is that worrying? Our season is over because we haven't bought a free agent?}


Maybe because we have 1 striker that is a poor finisher!!


"we didn't ever look like scoring"-apart from when Sterling hit the post and Shelvey went close a couple of times, and a few 50/50 offside decis.... Do I need to carry on? We are not performing great, we are not going to be for a while. If our fans can accept this and allow the club to get on with their job then in a couple of years we will have a stable system from which we can push back up the table to where we belong. Those calling for BR to be sacked should hang their heads in shame, what we need to do as supporters is to get behind this new system and cheer the team through the low times ahead aswell as the good ones. No team ever got success through firing managers one after the other.
Rusty


West Brom: Bad game but they have just beat an in form Everton side who walked over united.

Man City: Big spending Champions and we would have won except for the bad pass back at the end. Other wise excellent display.

Arsenal: A consisitent top 4 team, very good passing team and the goals we conceded could have been deaalt with a little better.

3 games doesnt make a season


3 games does make one point though. relagation material


'3 games does make one point though. relagation material' you my friend don't know the difference between causation and correlation.


Please dont panic. I would rather have a small squad than fill it with sub-standard players.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:13:28
I read on here a few days ago that we have cut about £450k a week off the wage bill (from an article in the times or something) is this anywhere near true eds? Very positive if it is.
RealisticRed {Ed052's Note - We have cut the wage bill yes, but that figure seems a little too much I would say. Especially remembering that Suarez and Skrtel have signed nwe deals}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:09:50
There are loads of free agents throughout the world of football, not just the ridiculously pathetic list of those available domestically on a website today (Heskey and Beattie - really!).
Also there will be lots of decent players who have entered the last year of their contract, who have fallen out with their current coach, who Liverpool could approach (especially if the player is out of the first team) and suggest they have their contract cancelled and Liverpool offer them an improved contract because they are now free agents. {Ed052's Note - Erm, mate, they would ever so slightly break the rukes}


But surely his club would want his wages of their wage bill especially if he isn't playing and is not in the manager/coach plans. So I don't think it breaks the rules really.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 13:09:10
Drogba would be really great Ed's is there any chance at all. I know Rodgers would love but do you think the owners will agree after today's letter.

GAM {Ed052's Note - No. I posted the sums the other day, he would cost crica £15 m for the season.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:43:45
Hi eds just wondering if there is genuine interest in Owen and Drogba. Lots of papers talking about it but us it just rumours?

Thanks Connor W.. YNWA {Ed052's Note - I doubt it, we are not in the business of overpaying for players when they are not worth it}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:41:49
Hello eds...! Sorry for the frustrated post yesterday.. I don't post such garbage... But was very disappointed by yesterday's loss.. Well i was the who welcomed Rogers and was excited by his philosophy and I am behind him with all my support..

My only point is I don't get how are we being run. I mean owners are still in the learning phase so who is the person making decisions at Liverpool..?

Suarez issue and the weak squad are few of the issues that i think proves that there should be some improvement in the club administration.. Maybe I am wrong coz i don't have any idea how a Premier league club is run. Specially a big club like Liverpool.


Sorry for the queries if you find them stupid or irrelevant..

Musicnation {Ed052's Note - The owners have made their mistakes, which they have admitted themselves. They now know what to do and when. it'll all be fine, and they know whta they are doing}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:40:48
Liverpool owner John Henry warns fans over 'risky' spending. This guy Henry is so tight that he would let his pet cat starve in order to save a few pence in the short term.

Season12/13
Brandon Rogers £5,000,000 + 89k pw
Joe Cole £70k pw
Luis Suarez £140k pw (40k-pw)
Fabio Borini in £10,000,000 £45k pw
Joe Allen £15,000,000 £45k pw
Oussama Assaidi in £2,300,000 £20k
Samed Yesil in £1,000,000 £20k
Nuri Şahin Loan £2,000,000 + £80k
_
Dirk Kuyt out £1,000,000 + £65k
Charlie Adam £4,000,000 + £55k
Alberto Aquilani £3,000,000 + £89k (40k lfc wage)
Maxi Rodrguez £2,000,000 + £65k
Craig Bellamy Free + £75k
Andy Carroll Loan + £95kpw
Jay Spearing Loan + £35kpw
Fabiano Aurelio Free + £30kpw

Lewis Hatch out Free
David Amoo out Free
Joe Raferty Free
Stephen Darby Free
Toni Brito Silva Free
Kirk Broadfoot Free
Nathan Ecclestone Free

Total spent: £35,300,000
Total received: £10,000,000

Total Transfer Fees: £25,300,000 spent
wages:
£380pw in
£469pw out
--------
Total wage saving: 89k
_______

football club saved themselves
£9,628,000 (what Clint Dempsey would of cost)

The owners have not put any inwards investment into the football club since they bought it. The numbers always add up and show the football club is leaving well within its means, but at the expense of the football on the pitch. {Ed052's Note - Erm mate, by your own calcualtions, the club spent ''£25,300,000'', so how you plcuk the figure ''£9,628,000'' out of the air I dont know. All you calcualtions looked good until you made the last bit up. And BR is not on 89k a week, nor is Suarez anywhere near £140k}


I believe suarez is on ~110k pw {Ed019's Note - Just below 100k p/w}


Did Liverpool not receive a fee for Carroll's services? Makes him sound like a hooker! lol

The Irish Rover


And if he is using "Brandon Rogers" (whoever he is), Surely Daglish should be in the "out" department?

The Irish Rover


You are a tool go away and "support" man rubbishy...............andy.


Im bored with this whole 'we should have just paid for Dempsey'.. that attitude is what has put us in the crapper..
Spending big on players that have no resale value, spending big on wages for players that aint good enough, paying over the top in order to get the player in..
Im completely in support of not being held over a barrell for these players... at 29 Dempsey has just had his last big payday!.. nooone else will buy him for anywhere near that price in 3 yrs.. our policy is to buy young, get the best out of them and then if we have/need to sell them we can get some money back on them to spend buy a replacement.
What im annoyed about is that we had no back up plan once we had decided it wasnt going to happen!.. thats the part Henry needs to explain for me!
ItsNotRocketScience


Kirk Broadfoot Free. LOL


Also there is no way Samed Yesil will be on 20k pw


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:40:18
Does anyone know where I can find an up-to-date list of Free Agents please? Cheers. Dave D. {Ed052's Note - Use the search function, and search for free agents, or list of free agents. Both Ed002 and 01 have answered this}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:53:56
LeBron James offers Liverpool players Las Vegas party if they win they win a game this season.lol

Go LeBron's


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:53:00
Impressive Arsenal too slick for Liverpool

LFC had not answers.


Lol Arsenal were pretty average, certainly not slick. We, however, did not turn up

cozinoz


I think that a large part of the frustration for me was due to Arsenal looking like they were there for the taking in the 1st half. They did improve a bit after the break but they had gone in front by then and 1 goal makes all the diff in this league.

Len


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:52:39
To the regualr Anfield faithful... I hear visiting fans regularly singing - "Where's your famous atmosphere..."

We can't just sing when we're winning...


Shut up mate.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:52:16
all yee moaning supporters
supporting a team is true good and bad time
i say all negative supporters out
what a disgrace the supporters were yesterday all ya could hear was arsenal fans youd think they were at home


Not if you watched Arsenal at home you wouldn't


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:52:12
yeh know emile heskey wasn't that bad at liverpool. So umm.... Heskey for liverpool? Anyone? THIS IS NOT A RUMOUR


We need a goal scorer, Heskey can't score.

MUSHROOM {Ed052's Note - He can score!! DOnt be horrible, he's top scorer in the pub league you know!!}


That's a different Heskey :-)

MUSHROOM


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:51:54
LIVERPOOL ARE HOLDING OPEN TRIALS,

Get yourself down to the training ground if you think your good enough. They need free transfers, so if your signed to a club sorry.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:49:52
Brendan Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, said last night that he would be willing to investigate bringing in Didier Drogba or Michael Owen as emergency ...

Did BR have a public fit last night, trying to blame the board instead of himself like the sack he is.


Shut up you balloon head


What a little,3=====D support not slag off are boys only 3 games in and all this slaging off is just a joke, it will take time to sort are team out,some fans are just not helping.jay essex


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:47:29
I don't mean to be funny, but in a football club, you buy first and ask questions later. not the other way round.

When they should of been buying in May, they didn't. Then they could of sold and loaned players out later. Its always done the other way round, because you never know what you'll end up with. Plus the owners have to take some blame.

ONE, a club needs some wiggle room to purchase and sell players, even if it means increasing the wage bill for a month. No one can run a club where you can't buy before you sell everyone else. It just causes problems.


To be fair tho mate, they have just had loads of trouble getting rid of players who were not good enough but had generous contracts. I'd rather not go there again.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:46:37
If Man City and Chelsea fail the fair play rules and come in the top 4 this season does this mean the 5th and 6th placed team will play in the CL instead for next season {Ed002's Note - No. Nothing will happen before June 2014 as far as the FFP rules go and I very much doubt any clubs will have sanctions for some years after that if ever. The threat of a breakaway pan-European league remains - and was again discussed by a number of clubs last week.}


Was Liverpool one ed?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - No, they weren't.}


You seriously needed to ask that question?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:45:57
what happened to our once great fans ?
all you could hear at anfield yesterday was arsenal fans and groans and moans we were once reconised as the best supporters in the world not any more to all the negative supporters go support man city or chelsea if you want instant success well done john w henry on letter great read give br time he is the man for job make anfield erupt with noise again
when united come to town the players need big lift


I travel up for games from folkestone in kent about six to eight times a year and i have noticed at most league games that it is only the kop making noise. our fan base really has changed. so many fikkle instant succes types that sit in silence and can only cheer when we score.
the famous 12th man went awol some time back. very sad
safa


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:44:39
Hi Eds

I love these so called Liverpool supporters who demand that FSG spend 100s of millions on the team whilst building a new stadium, when in reality I suspect that the majority of them wouldn't even spend 45 quid on a ticket and spend match days either shopping or sitting on their armchairs moaning at the team.

I as everyone else was so disappointed on transfer day, however listening to John Henry it gave me a great deal of reassurance that we are being run by a sensible management team. I myself run my own business and try to run it as prudent as possible and over the years I have seen other similar companies splash the cash on expensive cars, and lavish lifestyles only to go bust as they build up massive debts.

As Mr Henry said we are in this for the long run and missing out on Dempsey is a small setback in the bigger scheme of things. Lets be patient and back the manager, we have never been supporters like Chelsea and Spurs who turn on their managers if they dont win every game. Us so called older supporters who can remember the good days need to educate our younger supporters and reassure them that if we build strong foundations now then we will reap the rewards later.
Just remember how much money has been wasted over the past number of years, Aquilani, Keen, Cole, Elzar, Poulson, Konchelski, Rodrigez, Kroncamp, Babel,Carrol and I could go on and on. All of these have drained Liverpools resources so please think before we judge.
Every body was jumping up and down when we didn't get sig and watching him play i am glad we didn't waste our money again, the same may apply to Dempsey.
The players we bring in have to be the right players at the right cost.

So lets give the owners some credit for being prudent and looking after our future and lets back the manager whatever happens in the next few months and take a chill pill and support our great club.

Evered

YNWA


Amen. glad i am not the only one.
safa


What a rubbish post. Deluded mate. Prudent? That will win you success in the pitch won't it. Not.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:44:08
DID THE FANS CAUSE LIVERPOOL TO LOSE AT HOME TO ARSENAL?
I was just thinking, when the fans are in a good mood it feeds into the city, the radio station, people feel positive and they win. When the fans feel poor, distribution hits or any bad mood in the air then the players lose
SO ARE THE FANS TO BLAME
LIVERPOOL HAVE SOME OF THE MOST Negative fans in the world.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:36:06
BANTER page please Eds:

In the recent events of the transfer debarcle where i genuinly feel that Rodgers was terribly let down, he would never have sanctioned the loan sale of Carroll if he had not been promised 1 or 2 incomings that never materialised (because of Ian Ayre), I think Rodgers has been left with a great test of making the most of the squad that he's been left with.
We do generally have plenty of terrific players all round the pitch, we've just been left light upfront with (as we saw yesterday) not many options to come off the bench and help change the game.
For starters the Goalkeeper and defence. Reina is still a class keeper but has made a few mistakes lately. I would start playing Doni in Europa League games to see if he can gain some form allowing Reina to know that there is back-up giving him a push for his place. Johnson, Skrtel and Agger would stay in place with Kelly, Coates and Carragher/Sama or Wisdom providing back-up. I would really consider, at this time, playing Downing for Enrique at left back. He's better in posession and offers something going forward. He's played the position a lot in his earlier career, this provides competition for places.
In midfield, where I think we're at our strongest, it helps us playing a midfield 3 esspeccially with Lucas being out injured, we have better cover for this than we did last season. The strongest middle 3 for me at the moment would be Shelvey, Allen and Sahin. I've found Gerrard giving the ball away too much in midfield areas of the pitch where teams, esspeccially yesterday, are getting straight back at us. Shelveys getting better with every game, Allen has been superb and will get better and Sahin in the next game or two will show his class and I think will work well with the other two in there. Henderson and Gerrard can be moved in and out to help these 3 until Lucas comes back - soon.
Up front is where we fair a little thin at the moment but Sterling has been a revelation but it's plainly obvious the lad can't play every single game but Assaidi will be in in the next couple of games to provide cover and I believe Assaidi will be someone great to come off the bench in all three positions up front, He has pace, can run with the ball and does know where the goal is. Borini for me has performed well so far for a lad whos still only 21 but he has some international experience now and I think will only get better but I really feel that if he plays he has to play more centrally with Suarez playing more on the right of the 3, for me Borini is the poacher and Suarez is more of a creator who pinches in with goals. Morgan is still only 18 but I think the lad has to be used although probably more as an impact sub, which I also think Borini could be good at. The other option for me at the moment to create more of a squad, would be to push Gerrard right up with Sterling on the left and Suarez on the right of him. Gerrard can then concentrate on gettin into the box with Shelvey breaking in behind him from midfield. Also if Gerrard does lose posession he's got a midfield 3 behind him and he's proved before that he can play up there with others around him. This also allows a situation where there's people to bring off the bench i.e. Assaidi, Borini and Morgan if games need to be changed. Joe Cole can be played in Europe and if his form is good he could be used in the front 3 aswell or another to come off the bench. Suso could also start being used in attacking formations, I believe there's been attitude issues but if the lad knew he was getting a chance he may soon change that around.
Teixeira, Ngoo and Yesil could also be tried and tested in order to try and create a bit of a squad with options between now and January.
The team could look something like this:
_____________ Reina ______________
_______ Skrtel ______ Agger ________
Johnson __________________ Downing
_________ Allen _____ Sahin ________
_____________ Shelvey _____________
_________________________________
__ Suarez _____ Gerrard ____ Sterling _

Doni, Kelly, Enrique, Henderson, Assaidi, Morgan, Borini.

This gives us options to come off the bench, which we didn't have yesterday. Borini could be swapped with Gerrard for some games to keep the legs fresh. We could maybe see how Yesil gets on in a few reserve games and see what happens but I really believe come January a striker or two needs to be bought to push for the rest of the season and then take stock of the squad next summer to grow for the following season. We need to get behind the team at this time and hope the with all the fantastic young players we have that they can all grow into a terrific side in the next couple of years but I still believe that the next couple of transfer windows are crucial to add and strengthen the squad.
Sorry for the long post Eds but it will be interesting to see what people think and what the replies will be. Please don't just throw it into the teams section because I've put a team out in the post.

Thanks Eds and Reds

mikehoopersgloves


I have been saying to people for weeks that I believe Gerrard would be best up front. He is our most clinical finisher in front of goal and doesn't panic the way Suarez does.


That's a good looking line up Mike,
Maybe you should email this to BR see what his reaction is, But if he chooses to go along with you prepare to be a scape goat and the wrath of the fans if they lose any games :)
Bobby.


This is a wonderful post, at last someone talking sense after the last 24 hours of dross calling for peoples heads.

I have to say I pretty much agree with everything you've said aside from the fact that maybe Kelly deserves to be ahead of Johnson in the pecking order for the right back spot. Someone said on here the other day that Johnson seems to play a lot better at left back because maybe he has to concentrate more, which is probably a very plausible explanation, however I did think Downing functioned fairly well in that roll against Hearts on Thursday night. I'm not a massive Enrique fan, I find him to be a bit selfish and somewhat slap dash with the ball and to be honest, although he does impress me at times when he manages to hold on to the ball in places where you wouldn't have thought a player should. I think that some of the interplay down the left hand side last Thursday to release Downing was excellent and he definitely offers a better end product than Enrique.

I certainly agree with you about playing Suarez in one of the wide positions, to me it seems straight forward that you would play Stirling, Borini, Suarez across the top, especially as Suarez only seems capable of scoring goals from the most outrageous of positions. Again someone said the other day that if he were given an open net he'd probably miss, but give him a shot from the dead ball line (a la Maicon) or a lob from halfway and he'll probably put it in 9 times out of ten! Certainly Shelvey is deserving of a starting roll on the form he has shown so far this year and Gerrard seems to be having a bit of a problem not being Gerrard, which is understandable, although it does concern me that we have given away two counter attacking goals of the back of his miss placed passes. I've no doubt in time he will adjust to not charging round the pitch trying to do everything and I think this was the great thing about the performance against City in the fact that a lot of the responsibility seemed to be lifted from him.

Maybe yesterday we just didn't quite have the same sort of level of organisation that you need to play 4-3-3 that we saw the week before, with a couple of players returning and a new player in the midfield this is understandable. I did think that we looked a bit tired though, which is a concern given the amount of games that will be coming our way so I guess the only solution for that is to start to through some of the kids into the European games, maybe even the Premiership games and start to give them experience.

It is certainly obvious to me that FSG do not want to repeat the mistakes that have been made and that they are working very hard to push us forward and make us self sustainable which I whole heartily applaud.

Yesterday we were beaten by a better team who really should be the blue print for where we want to go (and every other club for that matter) and everyone has to remember that Arsenal are 10/15 years into doing things the way we are trying to so it wont happen overnight and it will take time, but I am convinced that we will return to an extremely competitive position, and you never know, in a year or twos time, the likes of City, Utd and Chelsea might not be allowed to play in Europe given the state of their finances.

Ali, London


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:32:39
Ed's what do you make of John W Henry's open letter? {Ed002's Note - Nothing - it is simply a statement of what we knew already.}


What we knew. But not what many want
to hear or Believe.

Good on him for even pandering to the
Unrealistic fringe!!

Lyndon


Listen FSG cannot make this club great. The inevitable will happen spmetime in the future and they will sell up. Henry didn't need to write all that he wrote, he could of summed it up in a sentence, " we will not buy quality players because they cost too much." which means we will be also rand perenially


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:22:43
Hi eds. sorry if this has already been asked but if we were to sign a free agent would we have to do this before the squad lists are submitted tomorrow? Great site by the way {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:20:57
Is it true we nearly signed C.Ronaldo but liverpool pulled out then a few years later man united got him?


I heard this a few years back when it came from Phil Thompson, apparently it is true.


Yes

Red Viking


Try, Ronaldo Falcao Villa Silva Jovetic Dani Alves to name a few

Sharpish


Yes mr houllier thought we dont need him because we had just signed a "better" player in form of harry kewell!!!


Who cares. Come on people stop stewing in the past and looking for things to moan about.
the squad we have is the squad we have. Back them, back BR and back the owners.

JitB JFT96
YNWA


I was led to believe it was thomo who didnt fancy him he apparently said "hes a show pony" and the money quoted was around 6 million


Liverpool had the option to buy him for £5 million but had doubts and were still debating over it when manchester united came of up £12.5 million. The thing is that Ronaldo was actually begging Liverpool to sign him! But do you know what? THAT IS HISTORY.
Dutchmal


All those deals were lost due to Parry. A bit like how Ayre lost the Dempsey deal, although Ayre tried to be cute and it backfired. Parry didn't believe those players were good enough.

MUSHROOM


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:17:22
Ed's or (Ed001), I have an idea for the site.

With the site so busy at the moment, I find that the interaction between posters is less than it used to be (as in there is a very quick turnaround of posts and thus, less comments per post than previously).

Have you guys thought about setting up a "members area" where members can see which other members are online and request to "chat"?

There are some posters on here who I would like to chat to one on one, whether it be people I share views with, or people I would like to debate with.

Just a thought.

Ash {Ed002's Note - It was tried but failed. The site will be quieter now.}


It has kinda gone, ed this? ed that? for a long time now.
where has blair, jonson, steve parker, sharkey all gone to?
ed001 doesnt spend too much time on this page, even ed052 had a full blown rant yesdy.

i spend bit of time on conspiracy pages, ed33, frankyscouse and smithy post there, good opinions and replys. of course all in the name of banter, nothing is too serious.
oh and the wrestling page. try tna its good..

to the masses..skool starz l8r dis wk, sit e cud b betta fwom den..

hopefully the owen or drogba questions will stop then.

only me opinion
dbadger.. {Ed052's Note - Haha, once the kids are off we can all have some proper, well informed banter, dont worry}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:16:47
Former Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Manchester United, PSV, Wigan Athletic and Newcastle players feature in my rundown of potential free agents available outside the transfer window for Brendan Rodgers.

The phrase 'slammed shut' is often attributed to the Transfer Window on deadline day but in the case of Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers it seemed an appropriate formation of words.

After allowing Andy Carroll to go on loan to West Ham and losing out to Tottenham for Clint Dempsey various other names were banded around such as Daniel Sturridge and Klaas Jan Huntelaar.

Eventually however Liverpool were found wanting and now find themselves in a serious striker shortage. Luis Suarez is their only real natural centre forward; assisted by Fabio Borini who appears to be slowly finding his feet in the Premier League.

So with the window shut free agents become the last resort for Brendan Rodgers and they must move fast, one potential option appears to have moved to Gaziantespor this weekend. Ivan Klasnic was a useful goalscorer with Bolton Wanderers and with Premier League experience would have provided sufficient cover in this time of need.

So who else is out there in a market of slim pickings?

Michael Owen

It is the deal that appears to be on the cards and quite frankly on the current list of free agent strikers he is by far the best option. Still only 32 but admittedly injury plagued the former England striker would relish the chance to add to his 158 goals and 297 appearances for his boyhood club.

Emile Heskey

I never said they would be popular options and as I said its slim pickings but Heskey could return to the club where he won the League Cup, FA Cup and Uefa Cup. Never going to give you many goals but can still be a useful asset at 34 years old. But let's be honest, Liverpool fans do not want this to happen.

Florent Sinama Pongolle

Honestly I wasn't trying to only find ex Liverpool players but Sinama-Pongolle is one of the best options out there. After leaving Liverpool in 2006 he went on to succeed at Spanish side Recreativo, winning his solitary French cap in 2008. Unhappy spells at Atletico Madrid and Sporting Lisbon have followed but at 27 he is one of the younger options on the list and can also operate the wide positions.

Danko Lazovic

He has 118 goals in his 372 game career and personally, he might be the best option out there. At 29 years old and a tenacious hard worker he has also played the passing game with PSV Eindhoven and most recently with Zenit St Petersburg so could adapt to Rodgers approach. He is retired from international football so there would be no distractions in that respect and the Serbian could be the answer to Rodger's tricky equation.

Didier Drogba

Although not technically a free agent the financial toil at his Chinese club Shanghai Shenhua seems to be feeding momentum to the rumours his contract could be terminated suddenly. A war would be sparked for his signature and despite claiming he wouldn't play for another Premier League side the lure of Anfield can be hard to turn down for even the sternest of personalities.

Other options include Angelos Charisteas, David Suazo and Afonso Alves; like I said ... slim pickings.


You cant think liverpool fans actually want to sign owen


Danko Lazovic. That would be my choice. 29, still 2 or 3 years off the bench for me.


Everton was Owen's boyhood club you dipstick


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:15:56
I'm a Forest fan that has been watching what happens at LFC with some incredulity. As a note I hate Utd, Arse and Chelski so if anyone is to win the PL I'd rather it be Liverpool. All the positivity is great but a word of warning from the past. In 1992 Forest finished 8th and runners up in the League Cup; and for the past 15 years had been arguably the 2nd best team in the country. That Summer we sold Sheringham (who ended up top scorer incidentally) we replaced him with Robert Rosario (oh and this was before transfer windows)! We had a great midfield, good defence, but had trouble scoring goals (wonder why!). After a shocking start to the season we were stuck in the relegation zone, but everyone said we were too good to go down, we had Clough, Pearce, Keane; all top class players. We finished with 41 goals in a 42 game season. The rest is history. Problem with FSG is I'm not sure they understand fully the prospect of relegation in football - it isn't MLB where you can rebuild while having a couple of crap seasons at the bottom. Or if they do they may be a little too arrogant; LFC's form this year is out and out relegation form. I was looking forward to resuming a great fixture, I fear we may pass you instead.


You are spot on lad, you will probably come up and we will go down, we are relegation material and anyone who does not see this must be stupid.

Gerrard is past it now and without his leadership we are FU***D


I respect your view and what you say about lacking goals is true. However the main thing to bear in mind is after playing the Mancs in our next fixture things will get better - after all it's a pretty tough start to a season. Of course, if we can't roll over enough of the weaker teams we might have a problem. I think with the football we are beginning to play though we will be fine. But I agree we have no divine right to stay in the division and therefore must not be complacent. And after reading what John Henry wrote on the LFC website I'm certain we are on the right track, good post though mate.


Were only three games in mate. The only one that concerns me is west brom. When the fixtures came out we all knew it was going to be tough especially with the transistion of a new manager. Mid of prem table seems about right i think withe squad we have. We have seen what were cabpable of playing like against city but consistency has always been our downfall. If Arsenal play like that every wekk they should do well this season but they wont so will probably end up same or worst posistion than last year.


A good post mate but i wanna add this; you are still there, supporting your team and so will we if the worst ever happens. The Man City fans have shown how it's done over the last ? years.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:10:48
eds can you tell me of any liverpool manager who would have done what brendan rodgers has done with andy carroll without having a replacement signed sealed and delivered. {Ed002's Note - Suck it up and move on.}


The problem is he WAS told that one or two were coming in and that is the ONLY reason why he sanctioned the Carroll deal to go through.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:10:46
Before I start I would like to say I am a very fair and one of the the very few optimistic fans who believed liverpool could challenge for the EPL this season. BEven though that has faded I would like to ask why is that every season we get worse; we seem to be breaking the records for doing bad every season. I have faith in BR, and do not doubt him. But the only way we can return to the top is if we spend, spend , spend like the likes of chelsea and city. That is honestly the only way forward. But this season, realistically I think we can finish 4-7; and I believe that would represent progress.

Your Opinions

Cheers

Sam


We cant spen spen spen otherwise we would go bankrup bankrupt bankrupt and then be relegated relagated.... you get the picture. The only way to do that is new owners but people need to start getting a dose of reality. We have just come out of recession. Recession ios like an earthquake. Its not the quake that does the damage its the after shock. The problems from this recession will only become apparant over the next couple of years and its because of the spend spend spend culture that we have had it. Look at Rangers and tell me you would rather be in there posistion. That nearly was us by 24 hours..... For this club to move forward it needs to become financially stable either with FSG or under a new owner, it dosent matter, as long as debt is not run up. Liverpool arent the highset earning club in the world, under moores and parry we were prehistoric comercially. What FSG have started doing now should of been started 20 years ago, thats how far we are behind. We all love the top players to come but were just gonna have to earn everything we get and thats the way it should be.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:10:09
I was at the match yesterday. I was sat in the main stand, right next to the Kop. I thought the crowd were very upbeat at the beginning of the game, and the atmosphere was pretty good, even at the back of the stand. Surprisingly so, given transfer deadline day's disappointments.

There were some positives from the game - Joe Allen was excellent. Nuri made a good debut. I did have my concerns that both Luis and Stevie don't play Brendan's way.

For the second time in 3 premier league matches though, we've seen the team fail to respond when they've gone behind, after a bright start. Now, I know that everyone's entitled to their opinions, but the crowd didn't exactly get behind the team did they? We didn't give them a lift. What would have happened in Istanbul if we'd turned on them like that?As the Arsenal fans pointed out, where was our famous atmosphere?

The manager is communicating with us, and is clearly disappointed with the transfer dealings. Now we've had the open letter from JWH and it makes perfect sense. Stick with them guys. And for Fowler's sake, stop giving the Eds grief, particularly about the financial aspects of running a team.

Brian YNWA


Allen and nuri excelent and good LOL
arsenal thru + thru


Arsenal thru + thru,

Make sure you get some early nights this week. It's back to school time and you're not going to do very well in your GCSEs with such terrible English.

Brian


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:09:44
Hi all,

Just to calm the situation a little...
Yes, it's our worst start for 50 years, but...

a) There's a new manager, it will take time
b) There are new players, they will take time to settle (apart from Allen who could be buy of the eason after Hazard)
c) There are not many starts to the season like we have had (fixtures). You could say a team that finished 8th last year would expect to be beaten at by City and Arsenal (even though we got a point against City and should have got 3). The only really dissapointing result was West Ham.

Overall, I am dissapointed (especially not getting Dempsey) but it is certainly not the end of the world. We need to beat Sunderland and try and get some points from United. It pains me to say it, but we need to EXPECT to get beat by United, although i definately think we can get 3 points!! :D

Keep the faith

Red Viking


I sort of follow what you are saying. When you compare last seasons results against the same teams we have played so far, we have picked up the same points. (i.e. last year we drew with city at home, lost to Arsenal at home and whist we beat WBA away we lost to them at home). So I suppose we can say we are no worse off this year than last!

Sure that will make everyone feel so much better now!


West BROM mate... Good effort
Tommy.


WBA was a freak game. We played ok. Ask Steve Clarke how they won 3-0 and he wouldn't be able to tell you.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:19:33
Hi edds, fellow reds etc... not a rumour at all, but a question I can't find any info about- what is the score when a player leaves to join another club, is he entitled to have his contract paid up by his current club if he has not asked for the move...or is it a loyalty bonus added to theory contract? Replies would be grateful. Great site guys, ps.....we'll be back amongst the elite.....we are..Liverpool! {Ed002's Note - THe contract is not paid up. If he requests a move he is entitled to nothing. If he doesn't then 5% of the gross transfer fee is his.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:12:29
eds can you tell us how good actually are the youngsters? with us being limited with the number of goal scorers in the squad is the likes of morgan and this new guy from germany ready to step up and play in the prem week in week out?
good job eds keep it up
Dan {Ed062's Note - no they are not ready to play in the prem every week, couple of europa games maybe.}


They're good enough to play against Udinese and Anzhi Makhachka but not good enough to play against QPR and Soton - do me a favour! The Europa League is also there to be won - not just to throw our reserves into when we want.
Dutchmal


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:11:38
Hi eds, posted yesterday but had no response. Are Red Sox in a similar situation? are there is issues similar to what we are seeing with LFC.....Cashflow etc? {Ed062's Note - i dont know mate, but i do know they have just got rid of two players on humongous wages and their team are performing badly}


There are many Red Sox fans lurking here, and some could do a better job explaining this, but I'll give it a go.

In the case of the Sox, it isn't a cash-flow problem per se. in MLB, there are real penalties for teams with payrolls exceeding a pre-determined threshold. The Sox are one of only four teams that have ever exceed the threshold and paid the penalties. (The penalties are called a "luxury tax.") Typically, their payroll is in the top 3 in baseball. When the players perform, the owners have shown that they don't mind tying up big money in long-term contracts. Problem is, the players have not been perfuming, and the huge payroll has prevented management from adding to the roster without bumping up against the "luxury tax." The deal you mention was largely a salary dump. That this opportunity presented itself is almost miraculous. The other team involved, the Dodgers, relieved the Sox of one surly, overpaid pitcher on the decline, an outfielder with his arm in a cast and $260 million in salary owed. In exchange the Red Sox gave up their star first baseman. Most fans here think this was a brilliant stroke of luck, like some rich uncle stepping in and paying off your 30-year mortgage. The FSG franchise on this side of the ocean now has all kinds of flexibility going forward.

Way too long. Sorry.

John CT {Ed062's Note - Thanks mate}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:07:50
Hi ed(s), do you think that Samed Yesil could do the job as a back up or even starting striker. His scoring recored at under age level is incredible and even at under 17 for germeny he has scored 19 goals in 21 games. I think he could be worth a go. {Ed062's Note - if he starts scoring for the u-21 i can see a place for him on the bench}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:10:35
Heskey and Owen both free agents could revive their brilliant partnership


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:10:23
Didn't Bill Shankly have a shakey start to his LFC management and come to think of it so did Bob Paisley and look where they both ended up. Just a thought.
KernowRed


Do you think Rogers is bill shankly or bob paisley?


No, he doesn't think Rodgers is Shankly or Paisley, the point he's making is some of our most revered figures didn't have the best start to their reign - we're three matches in and people are calling for Rodgers' head already. It is just as possible Rodgers could excel just as Paisley and Shankly did as it is that he could fail. I'd rather fall into KernowRed's category of half glass full instead of half glass empty and actually give the guy a chance. Where would we be now if the likes of Paisley and Shankly had been ousted early on in their regime due to a less-than-great start? Just a thought.

JFT 96

JP


No one is doubling Rodgers ability they are doubting the owners ability to back him.


No I don't but what I'm saying is just because we've had a bad start doesn't mean we can't have a great finish, BR is trying to bring back the values that were installed then and I think Shankly's team shipped 9 goals without reply in his first 3 games, I'm a positive person and think we will end up 6th but in doing so we will have gotten alot of experience under our belt ready for next season. Rome wasn't built in a day but you should have seen it when it was finished.
KernowRed


Who knows, BR may actually achieve more than Shankly and Paisley!
Anything is possible in today's crazy world.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

03 Sep 2012 12:06:37
Just like to say I respect what John Henry has said and I for one am giving the owners, Rodgers and the team my full support no matter what happens....... I know things will take time and will come out better for it in the long run

Andy kirk
Chorley
YNWA
JFT96


Good post. We must be organising ourselves around the financial fair play rules. We should not slate them for the high wages and high transfer fees paid to and for some of our players and then slate them when they do not spend. I respect that he has taken time to write that letter.

We are where we are. Now stop whinging and support the ,manager, the players and the owners.


Well said.

Lyndon


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:38:23
it jst had to be liverf**l that arsenal would get the first win against what is wrong with your club

hotspud009 {Ed063's Note - People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones}


Sorry but youve drawn against sides that you should of won against we should of best man c and Iosing to arsenal ain't the end of the world


Dont argue with arsenal fans. they are all 12


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:56:54
Can We Sign Dalglish, he's a free agent and in better shape than Owen.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:59:22
"If you can't support us when we draw or lose, don't support us when we win"

Bill Shankly

To all those who complain about our FIRST THREE games of the season and think this is a reason to rid our owners and our manager, just go away and don't call yourself LFC fans.

gh*lfc {Ed062's Note - you're right, but that quote is made up mate}


The Shankly quote may be made up but the sentiment still applies to us all! At the end of a storm and all that!! {Ed062's Note - yes mate.}


Wow i didn't know it was made up so scrap the bill shankly bit, but the message is still true.

gh*lfc {Ed062's Note - yes mate the message is still true.}


Shankly DID say that


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:55:07
Do you know what. If it took us going down to get rid of some of these person so called supporters. I could live with that. And before you start, been a red for 47 years. I understand we have no god given right to be at the top of the table. Takes graft and some times hard times. So whiners, get with the program or go support City or Utd.
Red through thick and thin. Bilko


Bang on... 'Plastic fans' OUT!!


Here here Bilko

Evered supporter of 35 years


Quality post


Great post - spot on.


Hang on.. You want the club to go down to get rid of moronic fans?! In my eyes lad that makes you one of them. Outrageous thing to say. Heard it all now. Those that agree are just as thick
Tommy.


Nice post Bilko. Just a shame it needs spelling out for the persons...

BigBadBen


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:51:27
Hey eds..why must it be obvious when suarez has a bad game it affects the whole team..and what is d fuss bout carroll..dnt miss him 1bit just sad nobody came in..sterling and joe allen always make me happy even when we loose..hv watched worse games than arsenal under DALGLISH we all kept quiet then.why nt be quiet nw..am only sad clarke went now we have lost that defensive stability we once had


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:49:42
BR has gone on record stating that a lot of the players have played 3 games in a week and should be commended for this? Surely he can't use this excuse as our small squad will be playing 3 games per week for most of the season IF we progress in the cups.... Big IF I now.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:35:49
I wonder how long until the fans want BR out, I say a month, already in bottom 3

Unlikely to get posted but I understand Ed

Pardoe {Ed002's Note - Where were you this weekend?}


At home on my jacksy sadly

Pardoe


It's 3 games FFS - BR stays!!!!
KernowRed


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:35:32
Who is currently available as a free agent and can score goals. Not OWEN! {Ed002's Note - Players are "free agents" for a reason.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:33:50
3 Games in and the persons want BR,FSG Suarez, Reina and Gerrard out.

Amazing.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:33:37
Get this straight Drogba will not join another premership club! He said it on Chelsea tv and why would he join a dying club


KevinCFC


Why are you reading this page mate.


Where were you before Abramovich?


Same place your in now. enjoy


 

 

03 sep 2012 11:32:32
an 800-word open letter from fsg has been published attempting to diffuse the current situation and appease the fans. bascially the underlying message is "trust us, we're working to put it right, it's going to take a long time due to the amount of mistakes we've had to fix from previous regimes but we'll get there", with "there" meaning the winning of the pl trophy. they are adamant though that they will not be pressured into spending big money and paying high wages on players that they don't feel are worth it.

questions remains though: 1) who is advising fsg about potential signings and why are they not trusting br in his judgement?
2) will the club be able to attract decent new signings without paying the wages and will they be able to retain current players?
3) is ian ayre responsible for the miscommunication and is there a rift developing (again) between the boardroom and the management? {Ed002's Note - (1) Rodgers is pretty much getting what he wants with transfers. (2) Liverpool has always paid decent wages - the difference is that the fat has been cut away - As an example, the wages for El Zhar and Degen were a total of around £7M per year. (3) Clearly there was an issue over the signing of DEmpsey. Only the "fans" are making a "rift" of it.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:48:49
For Mr Henry... Bravo Sir, Bravo.


Stevie.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:20:38
Ed's and Macca, Lot's of talk about Owen, do you know of any interest? And what are your opinions?


 

 

Yes but the point remains that Oussama is not in peak condition, it would not be fair to thrust him into his debut game in anything but his best condition. There is enough pressure on all the players right now anyway.
Rusty


True, why scar the lad?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:24:03
eds and Macca thanks for what you have don during this past transfer window. You are great.
eds and my fellow LFC fans i am not football tactitian but has there any team that has used 4-3-3 formation and become successful. the only team i remember is Chelsea during Villas-Boas reign and it failed. What do you say about this?

Thanks
Superfan {Ed062's Note - many teams, Barcelona use it very often aswell, but its not a rigid 4-3-3}


Pretty sure southamton used the 433 formation yesterday against man u ??


What i meant was in the premier league and also week in week out because LFC is using so far 4-3-3 formation. From what i saw from those 3 matches when an opponent got the ball Skrtel and agger are the ones that are exposed. there's a wide sapce all around midfield. Don't you think?
thanks


 

 

So, have we got to look forward to this next year? The one thing we don't need now is part timers.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:23:52
Eds, I don't really know why trolls from other clubs are allowed to comment on this site, apart from the likes of Keith EFC who posted something genuine and sparked a good conversation, the majority are just senseless and nasty with no real productive talking point. Surely it can't be classed as 'banter'? We all love this site to bits, but at times it can be a bit disheartening to see other fans coming on here being condescending when we've got enough of our own fans laying into LFC too! Anyway, great job Eds, it must have been a nightmare running this site over the past few days so thanks for keeping us in the loop.

JFT 96

JP


I think your a bit off a hypocrite Jft 96 you post on EFC page and dont deny it. Because your club is not doing so good you cant handle the banter take it on the chin you only sing when your winning so stop crying to the eds this prob wont get posted Stef the blue


I think you'll find I've never once been on the Everton page let alone posted. The Eds should be able to verify this with my IP address, there's more than 1 person using 'JP', and I always address mine with JFT 96 and a page break followed by JP. Check it out for yourself. I wouldn't bother going on your site just to insult you, it's pathetic, I'm not in high school any more. Go back to your own site, I don't understand why an Evertonian is even on here. Haven't you got anything better to do, seriously?

JFT 96

JP


Yes we do but alot of your fans post on our page it is called banter mate just a bit of fun if you were sitting on top of the prem right now you would not mind the banter but just a clear indication from some of your fans is we only sing when were winning so mate lighten up a bit its not like your going to get relegated . LFC are no longer the power house they once were an awful long time ago .Stef the blue


I don't condone the persons that go on your site either and write senseless posts in a vein attempt to wind supporters up. Personally, I don't think it's 'banter' when there is nothing constructive coming out of the post - if it starts a good debate, fair play, but the majority of posts on here from other clubs' fans are just boring and unnecessarily degrading. It is a perfect example of how it's incredibly hard to find two sets of fans from my generation (20s) having a reasoned discussion any more about opposing football teams. I'm not 'crying' as you say because we're losing - in fact I'm still positive we'll do well, I just think it's a sad indication of some of the people out there who cannot think of anything better than to call the club things like 'Liverpool' and us fans 'deluded'.

JFT 96

JP


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:23:09
Eds. Read statement. I will give owners time to co.e good. But like most fans im not happy. But a win in our next match will change that. However iy seems to me the fsg have based there whole financial plan is based ob uefas fair play plan,which i feel will noy be policed and we will fall further behind. Look at city rename the ground for 400m they could sell a box at the stadium for a 100m to a mate are 2. There are ways around it and tje rules will ne exploited.
Should i fear for our great club?
cheers mark.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:20:20
Suarez 4 competitive games - WBA , Hearts, City, Arsenal

2 Goals. So far thats 1 in every two games. So if he plays 40 games this season and carries on like this he will hit 20 goals this season!

Yes he misses alot of chances and this should be improved. But give him credit aswell. I am sure even barca and real madrid continue to improve. That's life. There is always something you can do better.

Jordan


You have to be in a position to miss and he is mostly the only one.
DM2012


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:20:15
I was told by a poster some weeks ago to stop with my negativity towards the owners and choice of manager and I can post all the I told you so's I want if it doesn't look good on the pitch! I wont do that because I take no pleasure at all in seeing happen what I was sure would happen, and I feel sorry for Rogers the way these owners have left him high and dry with the lack of investment. It looks like Rogers wanted a relativly modest sum to spend at the end of the window so assume he let Carroll go as he was given assurances about the players he wanted in. Regardless of my own opinion of him not being experienced enough to mange a club of our size I hope the lad does well in the long run and would welcome a sack full of I told you so posts from people who wanted Rogers in. Finally I would like to say don't buy into this latest propaganda speech form F$G, they are purely in it for the $$$$$$$$$$$'s! Good luck Brendan i really hope your the man to bring us back to the top, and if you do it, it will be inspite of these owners not because of them. And that would put you up there with some of the greats!!

Waro

p.s. Lay off Kenny and Stevie, two living legends of our club! Those who point the finger at them, there are three pointing back at you, hang your heads in shame!!!!


And what exactly did you "tell us so"? We are 3 games into the season!! Like it or not, the owners have backed the manager, whoever it has been in the transfer market. Maybe if Kenny/Commolli had not duped the then new owners of the club into spending the best part of £80 on crap we now can't recoup the money on, then we would be in a far better situation now! The old regime needs to shoulder some of the blame for the way we are now. Kenny and co did a good job of clearing out the dead wood in our team, but unfortunately bought the next generation of it.

And also, Stevie, hero that he is and my all time favourite player, should be dropped. He has been too poor for too long now.

SENTIMENT WILL GET YOU NOWHERE as we have found out! I just wish some of the numbskull fans like you would accept that.

Ash


Ash, read my post again mi**head. I am not saying I told you so to anything! You buy what the owners say I don't end of!! If everything is fine on and off the pitch then why are you having a pop at Kenny and Stevie? Your happy with your lot so what are you chattin you be**ard.

Waro


Ash is right. Kenny has to shoulder the blame for some really terrible signings for stupid money. Gerrard needs to be benched. he is past it, 3 goals conceded in 3 games coz of his wayward passing and laziness. Shelvey, allen n sahin make a strong midfield imo.
Indian Buzzer


Everything is fine off the pitch. On the pitch, the only gripe I have is Gerrard playing.You say you aren't saying "I told you so" and I am saying there is nothing to tell!

If you cannot see how an organisation that has backed their managers to the tune of roughly £150m in transfer fees in the last 18 months, plus VAT, agent fees, signing on fees etc, sustain the considerable loss the club makes (in the region of about £1m per week) and make us self-sustaining to fit in with the FFP rules, then you're either blind or have an alternative agenda (maybe you're still crying that Kenny is no longer there, I don't know).

What can you not see?

Ash


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:17:14
People please give it up. Drogba will not be joining. His wages are ridiculous. Plus i hope we are not in contact with owen. He's past it big time.

FowlerGod.


I would rather have Fowler, or even Heskey in the team rather than Owen.

Funny how people have such short/selective memories.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:16:12
do you think we might see Samed Yesil from now till january ? {Ed002's Note - A cameo perhaps.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:15:09
Bring back Florent Sinama-Pongolle (Out of Contract) :(


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:15:02
Hi Eds

This isn't a rumour but could you post up the open letter from John W Henry on here. I have read it and to be honest I like what I read. He talks alot of sense and it may clear up some of the FSG hater views.

I am excited to what BR, FSG and the team can achieve in the coming seasons rather than the next few games. A young team, a young manager and less debt than most top flight clubs. The future is bright but we got show some faith and get through the learning curve we are on. {Ed002's Note - It has been posted.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:13:45
I heard someone say yesterday that we are worse now than we were under H and G
Liverpool fans, we need to realise that we are in a transition. Look at how many over paid, over aged players weve shifted, and got young, talented, adequately paid starters in. We could finish anywhere between 3rd and 13th this season, but its about building thr right foundations. We could go out and spend huge sums on a player and pay him double what Gerrard earns, but to what avail, he would be one player and would risk future investment by financially crippling our great club.
The owners and manager are obviously hugely dissapointed by our lack of a new striker but its not just about Liverpool. We can make offers and appoach clubs but if we do not agree on a value or the other team do not want to do business then that is not Liverpools fault, thats football. We spent over the odds last year on big Andy and we got laughed at for it, this season our targets dont come off and we resist the temptation to offer massive amounts for someone to simply fill a void and we get slated. Its one or the other, be sensible, buy wise, like this year, or go over the top and pay whatever just to have the bodies. We were right not to be held to to ransome to a player just because we are Liverpool.
Its three games in, weve played two of the biggest teams in the league, get your heads out of the sand, things are ok.

Anfield Andy


Completely agree with you Andy. It was only a week ago that we played Man City off the park and only lost due to two freak mistakes. BR's style is going to take time to sink into the players. We need patience above all else at the moment.

long live the king


Agree with what you are saying re future etc, however I am seriously worried that our lack of strikers is a very serious issue.

We are already strugling for goals, we had no striker on the bench on Saturday, If Suarez gets injured, we will have the weakest attack in the Premiership, therefore the way we forced AC out before we had signed a replacement was mismanagement at the highest level. Whovever was reponsible (BR,IA, the owners) heads should roll. We should never be in the position of having such a weak front line.


Except we didn't lose - we drew 2-2


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:12:05
Owen to come off bench and score winner against united in few weeks time. Brilliant


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:10:58
My response to Mr Henry as a Liverpool fan of 29 years:

BRAVO Sir. After 2 years you understand our club and ut'd history better than some of it's fans.

Liverpool has never been about extravagant spending for quick fixes; it's never been about individuals. It has always been about hard work, team work and collective responsibility culminating in a success which is celebrated by all.

Those who want a rich Arab to buy Messi, Ronaldo and Falcao are a product of the Sky TV era and do not appreciate the club's identity in my opinion.


Could not agree more.


Brilliant post. Well done!

dd


How any one can advocate getting rid of a lot of good players so quickly without any replacements at hand is beyond me bellamy kuytt carrol would get in most teams


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:06:32
Hi Macca, Eds.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this...

The one thing I cannot understand about FSG and Ian Ayre is that they are always silent during stressful periods... and leave it to the manager to face the press.

They did this with the Saurez affair with Daglish and now for Rodgers with the transfer window.

I think this is very unusual and wouldn't happen at any of the other big clubs...

At least the chief execs of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs do make statements to their fanbase and the wider media when required....

Why do you think this is?

Do you think this is unusual... and will it change?

I think the manager at Liverpool has too much on his plate without enough board level support.

The RedIndian {Ed002's Note - The owners have issued a letter. I don't recall the last time that the Glazers or Mr Abramovic issued a statement to the fans. Certainly FSG are as vocal as the board members of these other clubs.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:06:22
Hi eds and all fans , at last a statement and I really do welcome it, at least now we know they know we feel anxious and worried and we as them really just want success. A very welcome letter and I am happy for them to have come up with it, I hope they have sorted the problem with our dealings, and now let's all move on.
Eds what are your thoughts?
hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - I got slated for saying similar things yesterday. From a lot of the posts this morning, including some being deleted, the knives are out and they want the club sold, the manager out and most of players are seemingly not good enough. Much of this will flip with a win next time out of course.}


03 Sep 2012 12:22:02
dear Ed002,

dont worry, this is just a consequence of internet where everyone has an opinion and expresses it without analyzing it himself. these opinions are a simple expression from their frustration of life.

There are some of us who can see the long term vision of FSG, the board and BR and we appreciate what they are doing alongwith you eds and Macca who reduce the time of our anxiety by providing us some inside information.

thanks for that.

i think if FSG wanted to sell us and use us a bait for making profit, then they could have sold Suarez for reported 40million and Agger for 28million and bought so called promising youngsters. I assume FSG understands they need to build the team for and around Suarez rather than KDs idea of Carroll.

Dalglish was right in his buys as he wanted width on the pitch coming from classic wingers who could whip the crosses in. Sadly for him Carroll took too much time recover his magpie form and downing lost all confidence due to the booing he got from the crowd and the negativity in internet forums. I never rated Adam as he was always gonna be slow in dalglishs system. he will excel at Stoke and these guys will slate BR for selling him then.

Coming to BRs playing style, I think the problem is Suarez who is still on the way to realization that he is a pseudo no. 9 from now on who should be the foremost player when we have possession. Yesterday, whenever he got the ball, he believed there was a player ahead of him to who he could pass it and only after a few seconds he would realize he is the no. 9. this would give time to defenders to prevent him from making those amazing runs.

I think we are on the way to progress and will finish in top 6 definitely and give a tight run to the top 4 too. The system BR is playing does not have a out and out no. 9 (not that I would not mind having it).

Have these guys even seen the flexibility in the system where even our RB (Glen johnson) was on the edge of the box taking shots at the goal while Borini was covering his flank. That is the system we are playing where everyone will be a striker. It is only some time when they will all realize they have the freedom to shoot and score.

thats from my side. just a penny worth.

Please back up the owners and the manager. It wont help if we keep sacking the manager every season which will result in new style and philosophy every summer.

**** rome, Shankly did not build LFC in a season. It took eras and legends like Shankly and Paisley to build the religion that is LFC.

mgz


Ed002, surely you can't take those internet trolls ( who sit in front of their computers and complain thinking they know how to run a football club ) seriously.

Again love the work you do ed002. nice to see you back :)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:05:28
Well, being that John Henry has issued an honest and frank assessment of the situation at the club, wouldn't it be an idea that the so called 'fans', and i use the term loosely, now get behind the club.

It really isn't Fsg's fault that they were left with a club running at a massive loss. Most supporters, including myself, wanted King Kenny back as manager and yet we were left with useless players on high wages and that cost inflated transfer fees. We clearly aren't going to get back to where we were overnight. It will take between 3-5 years to make us a force again, so next time you complain that we lost to Arsenal and didn't play very well, hey guess what? - there will be lots, lots more games like that during the next couple of years. It is going to be a bumpy ride. Anyone remember when we were in the old second division and then Bill Shankly arrived from Huddersfield town?.....think on before you post unintelligent bile aimed at the owners and the manager. Did Bill Shankly get us playing in the European Cup in is first season?......NO!!


Your comparing football in the 50's and 60's with today's football, people like you would have been saying the same about Hicks and Gillett had Rafa not exposed them, oh get of the owners backs they have given Rafa lots to spend they are sorting a new ground etc etc.....sound familiar because I would bet you were saying that at the time, now go back to your village because there missing an person!!

Waro


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:04:23
i think the owners need to see whats going on with our team every week and yes 2 years in there still making mistakes after letting bellamy go carroll and kuyt all we have is borini? even everton have 4 strikers now ? fsg start stepping up to the plate you shell out big for boston redsocks, would you leave them stuck for players i very much doubt it .why bring in a new manager let him down spending a whole summer of setting on your hands selling most of the squad maxi kuyt bellamy carroll loan adam aurelio spearing loan and i dont understand by brying in those scouts from man city seriously borini allen and suri were brought in by BR so why employ them the business this summer at liverpool was a disgrace hence we are in for another mid table season .it really breaks my heart to see our team fall away in this manner .


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:04:06
hi all , just a quick one , have been on the liverpool fc site and read the open letter from mr henry , and i have to say what the hell have the trolls done to make him issue what to me is an obvious statement ? and can any of the eds or Macca please reassure me that we are not after owen please ! can just picture him and cole sitting in the sickbay week in week out ! oh and thanks to all the eds and Macca the ledgend great work ........andy. {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of any interest in any out of contract players from Liverpool. Whilst the press speculate about Owen he does have offers on the table from Stoke and Sunderland. I would think if money was an issue there could be options in the Middle East as well.}}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 11:03:43
Formula for miraculous instant success.
Sell or drop most of the team and anyone who has one bad game. Any player in the tunnel before the match who looks even remotely like they might have a bad game should be sent on loan to Burnley. Reina, Carra and Gerrard should all be put in a Hunger Games type survival match to the death for not being as good as they used to be. BR has to go too, he's already had three full league games and we are still not as good as Barcelona. How long do we have to wait!?
Quickly sell the entire club to a Middle Eastern oil sheik who is desperate to throw away hundreds of millions of pounds on mega-rich international superstars who don't know where Liverpool is. Yanks out! Asset-strippers! Stripping the club of its greatest assets, like - er.. Maxi, Adam, er..El Zahr.
Yeah, get those Yanks out - we want someone with a palace in the desert and at least forty Rolls-Royces. Real football lovers with a long-term business strategy - keep pi**ing money down the drain until the oil runs-out. Bring back Rafa/Alonso/Mash/Ford Capris/Skol lager.

Square Red


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:57:34
Reina wanted Rafa back in the summer , he even said it in the press during the week Rodgers arrived .

Now he is doing everything he can to get Rodgers the sack . Rodgers would be very brave to play Reina at Sunderland .


One or both of you is a fool:

1) Pepe for wanting Rafa back or for thinking he can get away with throwing matches to get Rodgers the sack.

2) You for making up such a stupid rumour or for supporting a team other than LFC

:-)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:57:14
I've posted on here loads moaning about FSG lack of spending. So far the squad investment has not come from FSG but self generated funds. Sponsorship of our kits sky tv money etc. but credit where credit is due thanks mr. Henry for the open letter for me it is much appreciated and restores some lost faith. {Ed002's Note - You seem to have little grasp about the finances of the club and it seems completely pointless to keep explaining. WE are going to have to cut back on the posts discussing money.}


I agree ed no sense in people talking about things most of us dont understand just spreads bad blood and resentment!
TSB


Nonsense, Tsb! Speak for yourself. Im very interested in the financial side of football. I take on board when Ed002 talks about certain dealings of a football club. I would love to know the fees the agents are paid, and of course not forgetting the Vat that you cant reclaim. Do they get paid a percentage of a transfer fee or is it a standard rate irrespective of the size of transfer, but i would also guess that Ed002 would not be too forthcoming with such info (maybe he is one, i do have my suspicions due to his knowledge). Information is king in my opinion, but i also appreciate that some posters cant be bothered to grasp what he says and he ends up repeating himself occasionally lol.
Dont put us all in the same basket Ed002 and treat us all like morons.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Agents are able to negotiate whatever deal they can. Aside from real high end players with specialised "agents" or representatives, and putting aside those with multiple agents, assume the buyers pays an agent between 6% and 8% on top of the transfer fee for typical transfers. VAT on agent fees cannot be reclaimed.}


Its time you stopped explaining finances to posters ed002. The more you explain, the more they will twist the figures. For heaven's sake, this is a football banter site, so cut the money crap talk.
Indian Buzzer


The two (money and football) are intrinsically tied together- it would be very difficult to talk about on without the other.


Bottom line is the owners we have are not able to sustain massive losses every year like Chelsea or City may be able to. ManU has a huge turnover (roughly double ours), so they're relatively solid (although if you want an example of poor ownership, I'd say the Glazers are up there). Spurs and Arsenal are in similar positions to us in terms of turnover and wage bill- biggest difference being they both have arguably stronger squads than we do and I'd also say their players have greater value in the market. We simply have to do better in terms of acquisitions than we have been doing.

RDL


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:57:04
ed can you clarify the andy carroll loan position.
brendan rodgers says he may recall andy in january now one of the eds stated on one of the club pages believe the west ham page that because west ham had paid a loan fee liverpool would be unable to recall him {Ed002's Note - I don't know the provisions of the contract.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:56:31
I would rather have Ian Rush put his boots back on and play striker for us rather than have Michael Owen back, he should be banned the pleasure of ever being able to put the red shirt back on or be associated with us, he does not exist for us, for a while now

liverario


So hope he comes back, so people like you will eat humble pie when he does what no one in our current side is capable of - scoring goals.


He can be premierleague top scorer, i still dont want him anywhere near our club,,, i would rather accept from now that it will be anther season of structural adjustment and find out which youngsters are capable and which not,,, rather then take that muppet,,,,look at the liverpool family,, xabi still in love,, hyppia convinving yasin to come,, bellamy speaks only good bout our club..... And then u hvae the likes o owen, selfish selfish owen,,, who did everything in his power to do the best thing for his pocket last time round,, and then the man u,,,, peeee, owen is not welcome here

Liverario


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:51:22
We should really get robbie fowler even though hes 37. He will give everyone a major boost even if hes sitting on the bench. it cant hurt to have another legend in the team


Rubbish! Fowler couldnt cut it in the A league with Perth Glory!

BrisbaneLFC


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:48:12
Ivan klasnic
Michael Owen


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:49:05
Sunderland are in talks with Michael owen. Looks like we can't even sign him. {Ed063's Note - Or we don't want to}


Hello fellow supporters .. Love this website have spent so many hrs from afar trying to get some gossip on transfers etc.. No pay tv so follow the pool on Internet and occasionally dodgy Internet .. 41 yrs old so seen it all .. Just want to say firstly am excited about future .. BR is going to be superb .. We have a young group with a vision .. It's going to take a few years .. I like others think and sprout to friends its going to be our year but realistically we will improve over time .. Cannot believe the bozos on this site who have no idea . Firstly cannot spell to save themselves .. And the dreamers about transfers .. Al la Aguero etc Dream on things have changed but you should support your team .. We almost folded due to those f*** a**** G+H and our new owners are doing well .. I used to have king Kenny's no on my top aged 7 and was such a hero / liverpool legend but he seriously he did go crazy last yr with spending so much coin and wasted.. Half you guys on this website have no idea and think FSG will do it again .. But realistically no .. Plus 3 games in .. Played the premiers and Arsenal .. We prob won't make CL but as long as we be play attractive football and the young punks improve I'll be chuffed .. Who wants to be Chelski under Mourninho or whiskey noses horror shows who every wk score in extra time for a 1 nil win ( or 3 -2 at the moment ) .. Calm down and support the greatest football team in the world .. Cause we are going places .. Disgusted at the reactionary comments ..


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:47:47
Hi eds, keep up the good work!
Any chance of us signng Craig Gordon? At least it would put some pressure on Pepe to improve? {Ed002's Note - This was answered yesterday.}


Just found the previous post...you are asking why we need another keeper? Have you been watching Reina recently?..in fact, since last season?!

Not scoring goals is one problem...that means we cant win games. At least we can salvage 1point then.

Conceding goals like the ones he's been letting in means we will be in a relegation battle before long!

Reina was a great keeper, but he clearly has some confidence issues to deal with recently and needs a backup to give him time to sort himself out.
And Gordon seems like the best (or only) available option.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:47:04
Hi all,

Went to the match yesterday with high hopes after the city performance ant thought we would take them, I think a few errors were made in team selection and tactics also the attitude of a few of the players were questionable. To be honest the new style that BR wants arsenal have been playing for years and played well yesterday.

I think the season will be littered with hiccups along the way and our patience will be tested but we must stick with it and give our support for a work in progress.

Mo


Did you support yesterday? Cos I heard only arsenal fans....


Its a bit harsh having ago at one bloke for not srowning out the arsenal fans. Anfield felt a bit low yesterday but there were people singing just not hte majority.
Were you there?


I support at every game I attend and also have the balls to sing my post, how about you?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:46:16
This is my response to Mr. Henry's open letter;

His opening paragraph - Well sorry, but turning the lights off at Melwood with over half an hour to go isn't trying hard enough.

2nd paragraph - they only pushed hard to sell. Unfortunate? Now we are up s**t creek without a paddle at least until January.

3rd paragraph - It wouldn't have been a failure, IF WE KEPT HOLD OF CARROLL NOW WE HAVE ONLY 2 STRIKERS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

4th paragraph - And they will be thinking whoops maybe we shouldn't have signed long term contracts as no one was brought in as promised.

5th paragraph - How hard is it to get that team to play good football? They were doing it last year! Take time? It's taken 22 years and counting pal, while the red half of manchester is laughing.

6th paragraph - Maximum value? Borini 11m? Dempsey would have cost 6m you twonk and would have scored double the amount Borini will.

7th paragraph - This somes them up really, trying to fix problems when they are creating their own ones and ignoring them.

8th paragraph - This explains everything. They are still p***ed with KK after last season and will not invest what is required for at least the next 3 years.

9th paragraph - Risky spending? How is Dempsey risky' for 6m? or Damiao on loan?!

10th paragraph - Close to a system? We are still losing money, still have a ridiculous wage structure, have average players, and are no closer to having a new stadium. How are we close?

11th paragraph - a clear vision of a 4-6-0 formation.

12th paragraph - Off the pitch no. On the pitch yes.

13th paragraph - A driving ambition to get rid of AC and not replace him? To save money and not put it back into the sqaud?

14th paragraph - Well yes it is about profit Mr. Henry just look at the Red Sox and the money you have pocketed from them.

15th paragraph - Yes - LIKE BUYING A GOALSCORER!!

Ending line - A GOALSCORER?! WE ARE ACHING FOR A GOALSCORER!!!

MikeyRed92


Youre deluded, go and get hickes and gillet back and see what happens...


Now i think its time we all help this poor misguided soul get the help he needs, to get this far with out a brain is remarkable. If anyone still thinks John Henry is responsible for the Dempsey deal falling through then you are lacking something. He doesn't get involved in transfers so apart from make funds available what more can he do.
If your still looking for someone to blame Rodgers isn't your man either, he's even come out and said he wouldn't have let Carroll go knowing no replacement was coming in. Rodgers was stitched up on deadline day, not through malice but due to incompetence. The people with the responsibility to get the deals done simply didn't, leaving the manager with very few options upfront.

I don't know about everyone else but i'm going to continue this great club, with a bit of luck i'll be at the Sunderland game and i know i wont be there singing on my own.

always a red


Spot on Mikey.


Wow one of the most personic posts i have seen in a long time. you do know that a lot of football teams dont make a profit, and its very difficult to start making a profit especially in two years of running a club.


Yes but he appointed the guy that does and he failed and he is still in a job says it all really.


Get a job you person - far too much time on your hands. Instead of venting the frustrations you feel towards your own miserable existence, how about you f*** off and support someone who gives a damn about you, cos the real supporters of LFC certainly don't. Tired of completely miserable persons like you taking it out on Liverpool - chump!

Fowler99


Fowler99 - far too much time for you to point it out ;)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:42:40
Yes we are all upset about the Sunday's result but with a small squad more or less the same players play the whole game on Thursday and Sunday the team looked tiered, I think gerrard needs to be rested one game a week will be enough for him, we should use shelvey more he gets better with games played, I hope we don't get any of the free agent players they are free for a reason, give the younger players a chance, the problem we have at the moment is reina no one is challenging him for his position he can make costly mistakes but still be picked.
Manager doing best he can with what he has to work with, better times ahead keep faith.

abbs


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:41:01
We might not be that good right now, but in a few years with all these amazing youngsters Rodgers is assembling we are going to dominate, have faith in this guy lads, he knows what he's doing.

Daz16


You're living in cloud cuckoo land.Clubs that operate like this become selling clubs.Any decent developing young players will be sold for profit!


What's wrong with being a 'selling' club? Works well for Arsenal, Spurs, and Dortmund. I'd much rather be in the position of buying players for 5M and possibly selling them for 35M 3 years later rather than buying players for 35M and loaning them out 2 years later for 1M!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:37:28
I'm so glad I've encountered someone who prefers Sainsburys ketchup to Heinz, I thought it was just me! We believe you Davis93....


Really? I don't see much difference. It's all the same to me. Prefer plum sauce with my rabbit though.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:35:47
everyones critical of reina but at times he is good and unlike many players for other teams when bigger better clubs come in for him he stook by us, theres nothing better than loyalty


He's on pretty big wages and, if his form continues like this, will be nigh impossible to move on.

Hopefully he becomes world-class again, but at the moment (and for quite some time now) he's been very poor.


I think he's done enough for us to get away with the odd dip in form. having said that, we could do with signing some serious competition for his place.


I think he's done enough for us to get away with the odd dip in form. having said that, we could do with signing some serious competition for his place.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:28:04
Hi Eds! Do you know who are free agents right now? {Ed002's Note - Search the Liverpool page for "tinyurl".}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:29:14
Fantastic response from John Henry and to those individuals, who have been suggesting that he and his partners are in to to make a quick buck, take special note of this comment:

'I can say with authority that our ownership is not about profit. Contrary to popular opinion, owners rarely get involved in sports in order to generate cash. They generally get involved with a club in order to compete and work for the benefit of their club.'

Anybody with even a minimal knowledge of the business world knows this to be true. If you want further evidence, look up Warren Buffett, one of the richest men in the world and ask why in all his years of investing, he has not elected to invest in a sports team.

Finally, can people stop aiming vile, personal abuse at individuals involved and associated with the club. Apart from the fact that such behaviour is plain wrong, what useful objective do people believe this will achieve. Couldn't believe it when I read that John Henry's wife was being abused by 'supporters' of this club on account of what's happened.

Ginger Rodgers


Its worth a read, john henrys open letter.

"It will not be easy, it will not be perfect, but there is a clear vision at work"

read what they have done in nearly 2 years, its not all so bad.
only my opinion tho..
dbadger..


So, you believe FSG are a group of benevolent philanthropists who are in it for the enjoyment of owning a sports team? Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the FSG out crowd, quite the opposite. However, I do take exception with this part of Henry's statement. FSG is an investment vehicle, one that is driven by return on investment. A bit of transparency here would have been sensible if you ask me. It was right for him to issue such a statement and I applaud the fact they recognise they have made mistakes. FSG are getting our house in order in financial terms, which is necessary and way overdue. What does concern me is the fact that football is a whole new world for them. The sooner we have the right "football people" in place within our hierarchy, the better. This is, in my opinion, our biggest problem. Not the time for whining and hyperbole though chaps, so can we all please grow up a tad?

JF


Nowhere in my comments did I suggest that FSG is or portrays itself as a 'group of benevolent philanthropists'.

It is a business that is trying to operate as a business (i.e. balance the books, improve profits and eventually get rid of losses). These principles apply just as well to business as to personal finance. What I would say, however, is that clearly ownership of LFC or any other football club for that matter is not driven by the desire for profit or financial greed, as very few clubs make regular profits and even those that do, do not make the returns on capital invested that would likely be the case with equity investing/trading (Henry's background) and/or other forms of corporate investing.

Henry acknowledges that mistakes have been made during the two years that FSG has owned the club and makes it clear that they are trying to make amends. He acknowledges that their knowledge of the football world was and is limited but as far as I am aware they have been and continue to seek to fill their hierarchy with the right people. Obviously however, this will take time and is dependant upon who is available and/or willing to accept relevant positions. I have to say, given the responses of some of our so called supporters in recent years, I imagine that more than a few potential candidates may see such an offer as too much of a poisonous chalice to accept.

On the whole though, JF, I thought that you made some valid points and I think that we are in general agreement. It's also nice to engage in such a polite and reasoned discussion, so thanks for your comments.

Ginger Rodgers


Spot on Ginger, thanks. Nothing wrong with a well reasoned debate, although that does appear increasingly rare on these pages! We're certainly in the right hands with FSG and I have no problem with them having an exit plan whereby they make a profit on their initial investment. This is the way of the world after all.

JF


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:28:55
Unimpressed with J W Henry's statement. Take note of 'unable to conclude acceptable deals....' and 'we are not just looking at the next 16 weeks until we buy again, we are looking at the next 16 years and beyond ....'
No free agents coming in then
Worrying times
Victor


Big picture!

We cannot sustain the contracts some players are on- buy young & cheap and let them earn an improved contract. If they don't cut it, get rid, for a profit where possible.

Responsible ownership is more likely to lead to long-term success. Ask Leeds Utd fans who loved every second of their rise and rise under O'Leary and Ridsdale- and will pay for it for the foreseeable future.

Patience and unswerving support are the order of the day. The squad is young, talented and hungry. If success is achieved, and I believe it will, it will be all the sweeter that we didn't buy it through hiring of mercenaries that blight and bleed the game of its heart and soul- and money.

Mrpjd


Think the owners r copying the way everton r run


Think the manager is moyes got rid of all his strikers last year forcing the board to back himin jan jelovic now merilis


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:14:02
hi eds do you reckon liverpool will be looking to sign a new keeper soon?

this isnt just a knee-jerk reaction to reina's mistake on sunday but to the whole catalogue of mistakes he has made in recent times.

can you think of an ideal replacement?

thanks :) {Ed019's Note - Liverpool were interested in Jack Butland for a reason}


Is it not possible that he just needs a new coach? bet the same people who want rid of him still think gerrard should be in the team?
safa


Imo it might be the right time to replace reina, while we can still get a decent fee for him. Butland or De Stegen would be great replacements.
Indian Buzzer


Actually i believe that reina needs to move on now and that gerrard shud start being phased out of the first team and should become more of an impact sub.


So people want pepe moved on cos he's made a few mistakes, get a grip have people forgotten how many times he's saved us over the years and stayed loyal to us when there was world class players leaving around him, how about we just get behind him, the team and most importantly the manager then we can start to move on and build something also I cannot believe sir Stevie is been questioned, he had a poor game yesterday yes but is HE not allowed a few bad games after all he has carried this team single handedly for over a decade now, he does look tired but I would rather Stevie in my team then not, fickle fans again, no doubt u will be calling for Brendan's head soon, shame it's like most of the fans love to see us fail just so they have something to moan about, heads up pepe and sir Stevie ynwa


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:13:35
Me and my bro are die hard reds..Never thought I'd say this but we've developed a hatred for Luis Suarez.. The play acting he was doing yesterday was disgraceful..he'd rather fall in the box than take the shot, always moaning, never passes to his team mates.. The guy is so self obssessed its makes me wanna puke! I say sell him for £40m to PSG or Juventus and get 2 class £20m strikers.. I've come to the conclusion that Suarez is not as good as he thinks he is and doesn't have the best interests of the club at heart.. We'd be better off without him! {Ed019's Note - Oh my word }


Rather fall in the box than take a shot-no
never passes - no
self obsessed - aren't all footballers?
40m!- no chance
doesn't have best interest in the club-no
better off without him?-he's our best player so yea


You're not die hard fans at all!! You sound more like Manc fans if anything

MR EM


Come one, you know suarez likes to make life difficult for himself.. Always looking to run rings around defenders, rarely looks up to pass ahen he should.. The guys a mad man! Sometimes it looks like it would kill him to do the simple thing and that includes scoring goals!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:11:44
Hi Ed(s) I was wondering if you knew why Assaidi isn't playing or even on the bench? {Ed019's Note - Unfit and off form apparently }


Why buy him if hes out of form? Did he mot have a pre season more wasted money why are we always the omes to buy the players that are rubbish why always us {Ed019's Note - He's not been bought for 1 game against Arsenal}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:01:10
Craig Gordon anyone the x- sunderland keeper?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:30:37
Question for Eds. BBC are saying we have the option to recall Carroll in January. Is this true? I thought we didn't?

Iggypop {Ed019's Note - You cannot recall fee paying loans outside the window, but January is a transfer window }


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:27:04
Hi EDs, there's a lot of speculation about getting free agents in since the transfer window is closed. Apart from the rumoured Owen and Drogba, can you share with us what other possible striking options that we could look at? Thanks and keep up the good work. DAP red {Ed019's Note - No idea


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:48:56
hi eds do you have the actual figures how much we saved on wages and what we spent and what we sold? {Ed019's Note - Not actual figures, but it will help the club a lot over the coming years }


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:27:32
Hi eds, please post in the Liverpool rumours section I'd like to see what yourselves and other fans think thanks. I'm hoping this Owen business is a load of rubbish, i mean wouldn't that be setting a precedent taking back has beens that have completely disrespected the club and its fans! Would that not be saying doesn't matter what u do your always welcome back at anfield! And then there is the drogba rumours, can't see it happening but if he became available would we not pay the huge wages considering we've supposedly just saved half a million a week on wages with the exits from the club? It would only be a short term deal surely, but if goals don't start flying in we don't have a prayer of 4th spot and with that in mind we then lose millions more, so wouldn't it make sense. Your opinions would be much appreciated thanks. Carlos


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:23:16
"We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership''.

Hmm, would that include loaning out our plan b and not replacing him Mr. Henry?


No more likely buying the so called 'Plan B' for £35 million in the first place!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:22:12
The open letter from John Henry is interesting and welcomed! As frustrated as I've been recently and as annoyed as I got with the backroom at our club I've not doubted John Henry's attitude or intention. When he bought the club he clearly came from the standpoint we wanted of our new ownership i.e., a sustainable future achieved through a marriage of our traditional manner and modern markets. Only through sensible movement forward will we ever insure future legacy.

To those that were abusive to JH and LP...IMHO JH has again had to come out to repair the problems they have created. John Henry might be absent alot but he and his wonderful wife, Linda, have been accessible through various forums.

Rey Izain


We all know he is a bloody asset stripper {Ed063's Note - How so?}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:21:49
To the Eds.....

Is there any coincidence that my earlier post at 08:14 has been removed with regards my comments made towards the owners? And yet an hour later John Henry releases his statement. The last two paragraphs of my earlier post are as follows.

Its been almost 2 years since the owners took over the club, we are still no further forward with the strength of our squad to what it should have been. We are no further forward in the redevelopment of Anfield or new stadium, we are on our third manager in 2 years, Transfer window shambles, does this sound like a club that is being run properly?

The answer is NO...

We need answers from the owners, we need answers now, we need to know are they in this long term if so then they need to start backing BR. It's no good staying silent and doing nothing and leaving BR to try and keep a brave face when it's clear for all to see that he feels let down with the owners inept managing of our once great club.

Curled1 {Ed002's Note - I assume some sort of conspiracy.}


Who as let us down more than PIGHEADED Rodgers YES MAN


How long do some people think this transistion should take a day, a week, a year even, personally I reckon it could be 3-5 years with developement and getting in the right players so I'm here for the long term and if we pick up the odd cup along the way then that's a bonus -it's only been 3 games FFS.
KernowRed


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:20:12
Eds how comes Assaidi hasn't been in the squad for any of our matches yet? {Ed002's Note - He is a new squad player. His time will come.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:16:46
Like my fellow kopites really disappointed with the season start and lets be honest Champions league football is a long way off.
Whoever is to blame for the debacle what was transfer deadline day is immaterial.
Rather than dwell on it lets move on and BR should cease this opportunity to bleed the youngsters into the first team.
Lets be honest we are not going to be in a releagation battle or vying for the league.
I would rather finish mid table having bled the youngsters for the season than finish outside top 4 with owen or drogba in the team

Assiadi
shelvey in for gerard
sama
suso
coady
morgan
coates
yesil
sterling
wisdom
ecclestone
teixera
ibe
ngoo

all quality up and coming youngsters who wont win every game but their developement at this stage will be invaluable.
I have nothing but admiration for both carragher and gerard and the service they have provided our great club during the last decade however, its time they realise they are no longer heads of the court and should be dropped and carragher should not be on the bench at all allowing coates and sama to grow

on a different not two other things

1. I have just read the john henry open letter to fans
and if what he says in the letter is exactly how i want the club to be run. We are a family club and not a buisiness but a HERITAGE

2. The vile abuse on TWITTER is disgusting towards Mr Henry and his family. I appreciate the posts are mainly from armchair fans from around the country and globe but this is a product of the previous regime where so called fans thought they helped removing H& G but didnt do anything. We are a family club and what example do we set our fans for the future

2 week break time for BR to work with the youngsters while the big time charlies are away on international.

If you cant support us when we lose dont support us when we win

what do you think eds?



RED DEAN


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:08:48
Very Dissapointed with the Result yesterday. Another two weeks of frustation, anger and restlessness.

1) Enrique tries too many things with the ball. Ends up giving the ball too often. Downing was decent at left back. I know its only Hearts, but he was more assured of what he was doing.

2) Shelvey needs to start ahead of Gerrard.

3) The players, Manager need to realise they play for LFC (one of the biggest clubs in the world). Stop blaming the transfer window and do their individual jobs.

PKM


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:07:41
Where's the Rodgers-Revolution now?

Great to see all the Liverpool supporters finally coming down to earth. Now you're finding yourself on a relegation place. Can't even compete for a Top 10 finish, don't mention the Top 6.

Swiss Gooner {Ed063's Note - We are in the same position as you were this time last year, we will be just fine thankyou}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:05:56
I'm sick of all this FSG out and BR out nonsense! For crying out loud, for better for worse, be a Liverpool fan! If you want instant success follow man city or Chelsea, go buy a shirt where they buy the league!
The club is looking to the future, not one season and then not bother again! Half of you on here have been saying these two dumb witted statements before the season had even started, what? Because we didnt buy the likes of messi, ronaldo, xavi, iniesta? Do you have about £500million to spare? Do you have any idea of the issues this club have had for the better part of the last 20 or so odd years? There seems to be a form of solidity in this regime and it's far from being finished! Success is NOT a destination its a journey!
Get behind the team or get out! The manager knows the problems the club lies with so well done to you for noticing. The manager knows more than any person on here about each and every problem to the game, it's his job for gods sake! The team needs a vote of confidence, so lay off with the criticism, lay off with the pressure, let the club move forward with support and not without it!

M


He is still wet behind the ears and always will be. Give your Sherman when the receivers are in


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:55:02
Morning all. I'm sorry i don't think Owen is the answer...We have the answer staring us in the face, Most of us watch the reserves play, We have a break for International football coming up. Get the youngsters like Ngoo, Suso e.t.c to train with whats left of the so called 1st team ( some on international duty) , Lets see what Carra thinks of them, After all he has played against the worlds top strikers , Bring Rushy , Fowler or some other recognized striker of old in to give the boys advice, tips e.t.c. BR has taken a chance with Sterling and the boy is doing us proud, Who is to say others cant step up to the plate and surprise everyone?.
We have to stop panicking and slagging BR the Owners and the players off, Other clubs fans come on here and see what we are saying and they are loving it, Lets stick together accept where we are and what we have got to work with, Wait until January and hopefully we will push on from there. Once the boys get a couple of wins under there belts and the confidence kicks in we will start to play like we all know we can.
Other teams will have bad games, Drop points its just we are doing it at the start.
The game against City showed us all WE CAN PLAY FOOTBALL, We will come through this... just keep believing and stick together.
That's my 10p worth again,
Bobby.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:05:38
Disappointed to see all the criticism aimed at Rodgers. It is obvious to all that he didn't want the debacle of our striker situation, or rather that we don't have one.
BR has done what every other manager would have done, free up funds, identify a few targets and then trust those above him to execute the deal.
A similar situation occurred in the 90s at Inter regarding Trapattoni, slated for just having Klinsman, ultimately led to his leaving for Juve. The powers above him let him down, after failing to sign Mancini, Baggio and Balbo. Then selling Ramon Diaz. What I'm trying to say is even the so-called best managers follow the same protocol.

BR was simply let down. Remember BR identified Dempsey as one of our top targets right at the very start of the window, we could have had him and Carroll. For one reason or another the powers above BR were not committed to bringing anyone else in.

Worrying times. January = pivotal for FSG. We need to see investment or otherwise I fear Liverpool will have to resign to mid table. Even Wigan has a better strike force than us!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:03:33
ED, is it true that the club are holding talks with Michael Owen today or is it BS? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know, sorry.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:57:54
Just read Henry's open letter. I hope, but don't believe, people see the truth in it. Maybe it just needed to be said earlier. I keep the faith. I like BR a lot. You can see the plan, the execution just takes time.

Andy K


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:51:04
That should probably put the ones who question our owners in place. Their interest in our club is sincere and I am simply loving their philosophy of self-sustenance. Loving every day of being part of this club which can only get better. John W Henry, hats-off!

KrishnaYNWA


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:48:41
Liverpool Football Club's principal owner John W Henry has written the following open letter to supporters:


I am as disappointed as anyone connected with Liverpool Football Club that we were unable to add further to our strike force in this summer transfer window, but that was not through any lack of desire or effort on the part of all of those involved. They pushed hard in the final days of the transfer window on a number of forward targets and it is unfortunate that on this occasion we were unable to conclude acceptable deals to bring those targets in.

But a summer window which brought in three young, but significantly talented starters in Joe Allen, Nuri Sahin and Fabio Borini as well as two exciting young potential stars of the future - Samed Yesil and Oussama Assaidi - could hardly be deemed a failure as we build for the future.

Nor should anyone minimise the importance of keeping our best players during this window. We successfully retained Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel and Luis Suarez. We greatly appreciate their faith and belief in the club. And we successfully negotiated new, long-term contracts with Luis and with Martin.

No one should doubt our commitment to the club. In Brendan Rodgers we have a talented young manager and we have valued highly his judgement about the make-up of the squad. This is a work in progress. It will take time for Brendan to instill his philosophy into the squad and build exactly what he needs for the long term.

The transfer policy was not about cutting costs. It was - and will be in the future - about getting maximum value for what is spent so that we can build quality and depth. We are avowed proponents of UEFA's Financial Fair Play agenda that was this week reiterated by Mr Platini - something we heartily applaud. We must comply with Financial Fair Play guidelines that ensure spending is tied to income. We have been successful in improving the commercial side of the club and the monies generated going forward will give us greater spending power in the coming years.

We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership. It has been a harsh education, but make no mistake, the club is healthier today than when we took over.

Spending is not merely about buying talent. Our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid-table place with expensive, short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years. Our emphasis will be on developing our own players using the skills of an increasingly impressive coaching team. Much thought and investment already have gone into developing a self-sustaining pool of youngsters imbued in the club's traditions.

That ethos is to win. We will invest to succeed. But we will not mortgage the future with risky spending.

After almost two years at Anfield, we are close to having the system we need in place. The transfer window may not have been perfect but we are not just looking at the next 16 weeks until we can buy again: we are looking at the next 16 years and beyond. These are the first steps in restoring one of the world's great clubs to its proper status.

It will not be easy, it will not be perfect, but there is a clear vision at work.

We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best but we will not overpay for players.

We will never place this club in the precarious position that we found it in when we took over at Anfield. This club should never again run up debts that threaten its existence.

Most of all, we want to win. That ambition drives every decision. It is the Liverpool way. We can and will generate the revenues to achieve that aim. There will be short-term setbacks from time to time, but we believe we have the right people in place to bring more glory to Anfield.

Finally, I can say with authority that our ownership is not about profit. Contrary to popular opinion, owners rarely get involved in sports in order to generate cash. They generally get involved with a club in order to compete and work for the benefit of their club. It's often difficult. In our case we work every day in order to generate revenues to improve the club. We have only one driving ambition at Liverpool and that is the quest to win the Premier League playing the kind of football our supporters want to see. That will only occur if we do absolutely the right things to build the club in a way that makes sense for supporters, for us and for those who will follow us. We will deliver what every long-term supporter of Liverpool Football Club aches for.

JOHN W HENRY


Typical US bovine scatology.

To think otherwise is naive at best.

Red Rolls


I dunno man. he takes the blame. i cant see others in his position doing the same.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:10:58
So ed002, now we have the new warrior extra income coming in, we still have Standard Charter, £20 million approx saved on wages, £16 million less on transfer than last year and (your favourite) the agents fees and the vat on agent fees must be less also. Surely for the finacial year we are in now, Liverpool must break even? The owners will be ecstatic Ed!! Everyones happy ed! Well apart from the fans, but as long as the business is solvent and Fsg dont have to put any more cash in and maybe start to turn a profit in the near future, who cares about the fans and the team bouncing along to mid table oblivion.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - There is £12-£13M additional from Warrior as you say and clearly transfers are less. The club is rid of the "dead" wage paid to Poulsen through June 30 and other chnages mean a reduced wage bill. Subject to the transfer money to be spent in January, I would expect a much more acceptable loss to be posted.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:47:47
Morning Eds

Is Robbie Fowler still fit enough to play in the Premier League in short spells?

Kris the Red {Ed062's Note - Haha}


I'd prefer Fowler to Owen!


Depends what you mean by short spells. 5 minutes no more than once a month and he'll be fine.


I prefer ed2 to be our striker over owen
AnfieldUSA {Ed002's Note - I might be rather more expensive though.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:43:45
Liverpool Football Club's principal owner John W Henry has written the following open letter to supporters:


I am as disappointed as anyone connected with Liverpool Football Club that we were unable to add further to our strike force in this summer transfer window, but that was not through any lack of desire or effort on the part of all of those involved. They pushed hard in the final days of the transfer window on a number of forward targets and it is unfortunate that on this occasion we were unable to conclude acceptable deals to bring those targets in.

But a summer window which brought in three young, but significantly talented starters in Joe Allen, Nuri Sahin and Fabio Borini as well as two exciting young potential stars of the future - Samed Yesil and Oussama Assaidi - could hardly be deemed a failure as we build for the future.

Nor should anyone minimise the importance of keeping our best players during this window. We successfully retained Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel and Luis Suarez. We greatly appreciate their faith and belief in the club. And we successfully negotiated new, long-term contracts with Luis and with Martin.

No one should doubt our commitment to the club. In Brendan Rodgers we have a talented young manager and we have valued highly his judgement about the make-up of the squad. This is a work in progress. It will take time for Brendan to instill his philosophy into the squad and build exactly what he needs for the long term.

The transfer policy was not about cutting costs. It was - and will be in the future - about getting maximum value for what is spent so that we can build quality and depth. We are avowed proponents of EUFA's Financial Fair Play agenda that was this week reiterated by Mr Platini - something we heartily applaud. We must comply with Financial Fair Play guidelines that ensure spending is tied to income. We have been successful in improving the commercial side of the club and the monies generated going forward will give us greater spending power in the coming years.

We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership. It has been a harsh education, but make no mistake, the club is healthier today than when we took over.

Spending is not merely about buying talent. Our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid-table place with expensive, short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years. Our emphasis will be on developing our own players using the skills of an increasingly impressive coaching team. Much thought and investment already have gone into developing a self-sustaining pool of youngsters imbued in the club's traditions.

That ethos is to win. We will invest to succeed. But we will not mortgage the future with risky spending.

After almost two years at Anfield, we are close to having the system we need in place. The transfer window may not have been perfect but we are not just looking at the next 16 weeks until we can buy again: we are looking at the next 16 years and beyond. These are the first steps in restoring one of the world's great clubs to its proper status.

It will not be easy, it will not be perfect, but there is a clear vision at work.

We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best but we will not overpay for players.

We will never place this club in the precarious position that we found it in when we took over at Anfield. This club should never again run up debts that threaten its existence.

Most of all, we want to win. That ambition drives every decision. It is the Liverpool way. We can and will generate the revenues to achieve that aim. There will be short-term setbacks from time to time, but we believe we have the right people in place to bring more glory to Anfield.

Finally, I can say with authority that our ownership is not about profit. Contrary to popular opinion, owners rarely get involved in sports in order to generate cash. They generally get involved with a club in order to compete and work for the benefit of their club. It's often difficult. In our case we work every day in order to generate revenues to improve the club. We have only one driving ambition at Liverpool and that is the quest to win the Premier League playing the kind of football our supporters want to see. That will only occur if we do absolutely the right things to build the club in a way that makes sense for supporters, for us and for those who will follow us. We will deliver what every long-term supporter of Liverpool Football Club aches for.

JOHN W HENRY


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:01:49
is there any news on what the owners are going to do about our lack of fire power , they still want young players but if we do not get an experience attacker we are doomed


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:01:21
I just read John W henry letter to fans.they are nor H&G.it takes a big man with big heart to admit his mistake.
We all just need to step back and let FSG sort things.
A must read.

Red indian


 

 

03 Sep 2012 10:00:31
Craig Gordon anyone the sunderland keeper?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:54:57
to the people who haven't seen or read the open statement from henry


/news/latest-news/john-henry-s-open-letter-to-fans


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:50:42
I applaud JWH's open letter to the fans..it shows a realism and that owners are not distancing themselves from what is potentially a crisis. its for the football management to work well with what they got and for the fans to support that..drogba and / or owen would be a bonus..YNWA...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:39:14
In reply to "kopping a feeling" , I would want Borini to play in the centre instead of Suarez. Suarez should be pushed wide. Assaidi should be give a role as the wide man in front 3. Its simple rotation with Suarez and Assaidi or Sterling and Assaidi.

KrishnaYNWA


This is exactly what ive been saying, borinin can finish so should played as the striker, were wasting his talents out wide

clm96p


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:37:15
In reply to my post yesterday, about how i think we are better without SG, well.....

With Gerrard - Total: 20 Wins: 8 Draws: 6 Loss: 6 Win Percentage: 40% Loss Percentage: 30%

Without Gerrard - Total: 21 Wins: 13 Draws: 4 Loss: 4 Win Percentage: 62% Loss Percentage: 19%

Last season that. Living on reputation.

Benny baller.


Those stats are meaningless, Most if not all of the games without Gerrard were also without Lucas, also Suarez was banned for 9
games after Gerrard returned from injury. Having said that I don't believe that Gerrard deserves a place in to squad on Merit after the last couple of games.


Thats fiar enough. there is competition in the middle if the park now so if he doesnt perform, he wont play...just look at stewie


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:30:26
I think it's about time that Gerrard relinquished his captaincy. I will always be greatful for everything he has done for the club, single handedlly pullling us through games. He use to be such an inspirational leader, but I'm sorry to say that just isn't the case anymore. Now it seems his head is the first to drop when we are losing, which is a poor sign when he is suppose to be the fan's voice as our captain.

Personally I would like to see Agger as captain. learly he loves the club and is 100& commited to the cause both on and off the pitch, and the defence isn't the same when he is not there.

Just my opinion

Still Losing the Faith

MikeyRed92 {Ed062's Note Agger would be a brilliant choice for captain if he wasnt injury prone, wouldnt mind seeing Lucas or Allen as Captain next season}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:30:17
Brendan tried to play poker and LOST. I give him 6 months till he is sacked. FSG should sell the club they could not even afford a 1st class flight for siggursson thats why he went spurs he said that himself they told me to jump on economy on a budget airline.Then they could not even stump up a few quid extra for dempsey.If i was Fulham i would have said take the 3 million offer and shove it where the sun dont shine. {Ed062's Note - Are you serious?}


Some People dont live in the real world.....youl be crying if we had turned out like rangers playing in division three


FSG aint wanted no more. The fans hate them if they could not afford liverpool they should have got a smaller club. FSG need to F OFF. BR is no better you do not sell or in this case GIVE AWAY a player who cost 35 million and not replace him. If they never had money for a new stadium why did they even take over the club. Never trust yonks after the last pair now these yonks are no better.


Lol at how stupid this post is!!!!!

clm96p


Exactly which fans hate FSG, you are obviously one, do you know any others - I don't .


I don't hate FSG, neither do my other LFC mates ... so thats you WRONG then.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:20:48
i think all true liverpool fans understand that we will see some poor moments this year but we will also see some great ones, this season for me will be the start of our next great chapter in english football but fans need to realise it will not happen today as we are rebuilding for the future, why cant we all just put our passion into getting behind the new and young lads and br, all that has happened over the last 20 years were just short term fixes and what we are doing now will be for the long haul, "fans" need to understand the mess the club was in and how close we came to not having a club at all so this season might not be what we all want but if we stick with the manager and players we will all look back at this season in years to come and realise it was the starting point of something speical, br is a class act and so are the owners so please put are time into getting behind the team cus you can see in the past how are great fans have helped the players give that bit extra, sometimes we need to look at ourselves and ask a question" would you be playing with confidence if ever time you gave the ball away the "fans" moaned and groaned, these boys should be applauded for trying to pass the ball and do things the right way , we were the best fans in the world and we are being let down by fools who expect fantasy signing and instant success {Ed062's Note - Great post mate}


Who guarantees that it will be the beginning of something good? I don't share your optimism. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than you. I just see the harsh reality of football better than you. You are just deluded.


First of all, I'm very disappointed with the last day of the trasnfer window + the poor start of the season.

However, I would gladly have a "poor" season if that means we get the club in order and can build on what BR has started. It is extremely important that we stick with BR for a number of years and not start to call for his exit. Rebuilding a club takes time and I'm sure we will see the results of his work in years to come!

Ian Ayre is worthless though...

Erik_Oslo


Just think it may not even be called the premiership if we ever win it again . the only ruling champions in football are the big money guys . the more money to spend on players they will win everything. football is all about money, you get nowt for being second best. if fsg cant supply liverpool with the money they need to compete , then they will become a mid table , non trophy winning team. look at chelsea , man city, even spurs are starting to now. dont be giving me but there not in debt. because they get the mega riches of the champions league, with the exception of spurs. the only people that win these days are the ones who can afford the best.


Wasnt fergie one game away from the sack all those years ago? didnt it take him six years to win anything? can you imagine if they had sacked him? where would they be now? my point is this! It takes time to lay down a new philosophy and to get players used to playing the brand of football you believe in. We are not chelsea or man city who throw absolute fortunes at it to buy success! You seem to have very short memory's in the fact that we were hours away from not having a football club to support so for that alone we ought to be greatful. We are saving up to £500,000 a week through removing the dead weight who were on rediculous contracts through previous regimes, and with it are building a new look squad with an average age of around 23-24. You need to open your eyes folks, weve had a tough start but will be fine. The need for quick fixes have to go, this is long term, so lets do what we apparently do best, UNITE, STAND LOYAL, SUPPORT THE FECKING TEAM!

Ian the red


The harsh reality of football mate is that things take time there is nothing deluded about supporting your team and manager


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:02:05
GUYS WHY ARE WE BLIND TO FORGET THAT REINA NEEDS TO BE BENCHED FOR UP TO 5 GAMES TO REALISE HE IS NOT NUMBER ONE,HES CRAP..YOUNG GOAL KEEPERS ARE DOING WELL,AND THE RESERVE KEEPER SHOULD STEP IN.....AND I THINK SKRTEL IS SUPPOSED TO BE BACKUP WHILE COATES A STARTER COZ SKRTELS SIDE WAS ALWAYS DEAD,ALL GOAL HES HAD A PART IN...AND SAHIN,WHAT WERE WE THINKING STARTING HIM {Ed062's Note - the replacement gk is worse, at this moment in time Skrtel is better than Coatesahin shouldnt have started your right.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:01:11
just like to say a few words about are once great club,why did we wait till the last day to try & get a striker in for carroll when rodgers told him he was not part of his plans BEFORE carroll had returned from his summer break surely that was enough time to replace carroll,kevin nolan said on slysports that he was delighted andy joined on THURSDAY,36 hours before window closed,why did rodgers play gerrard & luis for 90 mins on thursday against a poor hearts team knowing they would be knackered on sunday,why have we got a manager who managed the team with the 2nd lowest goals scored in prem last season manage us,i know people say give him time,it's the owners who are stripping are club they have only invested 15m of there own money the rest came from sales & prem league & sponsors,were is the ground annoucement dont hold ya breath it's gonna be a long season,next 3 games let's see were we are after that shall we.ynwa


Real amateur mistake from us which defies all common sense. Did not expect that from Lfc. At least rodgers is honest and not being stubborn and saying we have a good enough squad. Henry came to arsenal last season, owen/drogba would be good options. Imagine drogba scoring against chelsea at the bridge for us or oiwen against scum.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:49:54
Did anyone read Henry's open letter to the LFC fans? I gotta say it really made me confident in what FSG are planning for the future. I also like the openness of Henry and FSG in sharing their disappointment over the transfer window. Brilliant letter IMO.

Also, some "fans" are so ridiculous, regretting FSG ever taking over. Anyone saying that knows nothing about football and the way a team is run. Go support Chelsea, City or ManU if you want instant success. Even after the poor showing against Arsenal I'm still super excited and optimistic for the FUTURE!

Onward Brendan and FSG... stay the course. Thanks Eds.

AmRed


I still hope and expect someone to take the fall for selling Rodgers and all the fans short. Singred


Letter don't mean s**t they are all talk NO ACTION.


I have to agree i do believe in what they are trying to do and feel safe in their ownership of the club going forward. They are taking the club through a very difficult period which hurts us all but they are strong leaders and i feel what they are doing is for the best even if it hurts us at the moment we must look to the future (obviously without ignoring the here and now)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:48:59
im not being funny but rodgers only has himself to blame for the transfer window be4 the window a striker was a prioty not a cm altho allen is a gr8 signing i would have rather see the 15m spent on him go on a striker


To even contemplate not having Joe Allen is unthinkable. Along with Sterling he's our best player by a long way.
ANFIELDPETE


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:44:26
John Henry has written an open letter to fans on the official LFC site. Griff YNWA


Its a good read as well lets get behing them the club is improving across the board. We are so much stronger as a club than we were when they came in. I know its hard to see passed the on field performances when we pay out for the tickets but the players and spending power and youth will come out of the work being done but it will several years to implement we must give them the chance to succeed!


ALL TALK NO ACTION


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:42:37
so the ecco is now saying we are gonna go for owen



Becca


That a joke he is useless


Obviously a very new and uninformed football fan if you think Owen is useless, the lad has an ability we do not at have at the moment - he scores goals.

John B {Ed063's Note - He has more ability to get injured}


I have been a fan for over 25 years..seen a lot of great players come and go and yes Owen was one of them..but remember how he went? £8m...the best forward possibly in europe in 2004...£8m...Rooney..18 yo went for £30m...Owen looked after no1 like he always does..A year later he screwed us again after being told to sit tight because the deal was being done..but no..he went for money again..I don't blame him for joining Man Utd..them or Hull? No brainer isn't it but what has he done in that time? Nothing! Fergie let him go because he knew he was finished..He's finished too many injuries and his pace have gone..so I'm not a new fan or unimfored..you are mate OWEN IS FINISHED..

Rich 103


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:40:04
hey eds, what did you think of JH's letter to the fans?

i thought it put a lot into perspective

thanks :) {Ed063's Note - It was pure class and answered all questions the fans had}


Didn't really answer what he is going to do if we end up being relegated this year. Or be almost at the bottom of the table...


Its full of s**T yonks are all talk


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:34:22
WE WANT ANSWERS.FSG OUT IAN HOT AYRE OUT. {Ed063's Note - John Henry has given answers. Read his letter}


His letter looks like it was written by Ed2..


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:26:56
Ed,063 is xavi valero and paco ayestaran currently working with any clubs ?
I know Brendan obviously has his own group of back room staff whom he trusts and believes ,but is there any chance we could see them working at melwood anytime soon ?
also , is Brad guzan a free agent now ?
reply much appreciated.. {Ed063's Note - I don't believe they are with any other clubs. No Guzan played against Newcastle yesterday}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:26:44
Eds please post this. i be;eve we should get rid of suarez. I know we cant now but its always the same he could have got a hatrick or threatens to score 20/30 goals a season. we need a goalscorer like inzagi in the past or others. theres no good in suarez getting all these chances if none rattle the net. dont mind a 99% pass completion id prefer to see 50% and 3/40goals


Thats what i was thinking in the summer especially after the evra affair,could have got 28-30mil and would have gone a long way to buying a couple of good out and out strikers,saurez is starting to look like a luxury player,a player lfc dont need right now.lets be honest,saurez has caused a lot of turmoil in the club and you could look by it if he was scoring goals but he doesnt and i feel a lot of fans love him, not for his goal scoring exploits but because he annoyed utd and old purple nose.forget about utd and concentrate on liverpool


I dont believe this! Suarez scores goals everywhere he plays apart from Liverpool so far but he does have 2 in 3 this year! He was very poor against Arsenal gave the ball away everytime he touched it. But he is world class most of the time and will be integral to our future. We simply cant sell worldclass players that want to play for LFC!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:26:12
FSG OUT!
Another bunch of useless Americans looking to make a quick buck. They can't afford a club like liverpool they should have stuck to baseball. They are hated by the fans i would not expect to see them at anfield for a long time.


You are the problem , not the owners , its drips like you un signed keyboard drip boy .............andy.


Go back to your club forum and talk sh1te.


How are they making a quick buck
Einstein??


Lyndon


Rubbish post mate. Talking out yer ass... take the time to read the open letter. I'm a hardcore LFC fan & people like you should put a sock in it. I hear no alternative plan from you & you don't even have the balls to sign your post... It's not perfect at LFC at present but you're only making things worse by making us fans look a bit thick.

dd


You sir are an over reacting fool like so many others. maybe you should read the letter from henry and believe that their intentions are good. things did not work out and yes we are light on attack but to think that these owners are the same as the previous muppets in stupip. furthermore to be blaming brendan like so many others is daft. rome was not built in a day. it will take time
safa


I simply dont think you understand how a business works. They are putting us on a strong footing for the future once this is in place we will start to compete again.
it may hurt in the short term but it will payoff going forward.
Lets stop this FSG rubbish now as for one who will buy a club that have heckled their last owners out for not producing world class players overnight and delivering success against the likes of the Manchester clubs spending power while losing millions of pounds a week and two we are in danger of becoming just another set of whinging fans that players are not bothered about playing in front of, many of the players talk aboput LFC fans are drawn to play in front of us if we lose this we hurt the club alot more than any owner!
TSB


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:11:16
Guys some crazy posts on here - Under Dalglish we were playing some really good attaking football.

Probably the best since the 4-0 win over Real Madrid under Rafa.

We hit the post so many times last year - it was clear to see - nothing wrong with the system or players - we were only missing a striker!

Bredan was got this badly wrong, he should of got a world class striker as his priority


Kenny and FSG are the reason we are in this mess.


"Bredan was got this badly wrong, he should of got a world class striker as his priority"

We have just loaned out a 20+ goal per season to West Ham


We should have kept Kenny it goes without saying, KEnny and clark given time would have forged a formidable team.

Rogers has shown he is foolhardy. selling or loaning out all strikers and the first thing he does in the transfer window is to buy Borini not the striker we need.

It seems rogers is not in control of transfer and has very little imput from what he said on sky on deadline day.

Kenny or Rafa would not have stood for this and if rogers does not develop a backbone things will get worse


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:11:08
We need to a) drop Gerrard to the bench b) drop Carragher from the bench c) bring back xavi Valero to get Reina back to his best.
Torres actually said Valero made him into a better finisher as well. Get this guy in now.

YNWA! (Adam)


We need to drop Reina


We need to drop both. And Carra should not even be on the bench it should be Morgan.

Red raj


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:08:05
Mark Crooks on way to replace Ian Arye as director. Profile to follow..........


 

 

03 Sep 2012 09:06:13
Eds, i was wondering what the consequences would be if we didnt acheive top 4 this season. Our squad is very thin and comparing this too the other teams challenging for a champions league spot, it does apear alot weaker. If we didnt get in the champions league, would Rodgers head beon the line after 1 season? Would FSG sell up? Or is it really impossible to say? I really hope Rodgers is given time (more than a season) to turn it round, but time is something that doesnt exist anymore in football.

Thanks

Sam Adzii jft96 {Ed063's Note - I personally think Rodgers will be given a few years}


Based on 3 games?


It would be folly to give rogers more time when it was not afforded to the King.

Rogers get top 4 or walks


I don't eds every manager is judged on results and If we are in the bottom half come xmas we will be looking for a new manager.


Cl your having a laugh lollolollol


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:58:03
not rumour or banter but just want to say the hillsborogh independent panel releases its report a week on wednesday lets hope those responsible get whats coming to them.jft96


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:57:23
January 2013 transfer targets are Daniel Sturridge, Theo Walcott and Frazer Campbell. All 3 players are out of contract at the end of the season.

FSG did not want to pay over the odds on Sturridge and Walcott when they will be half the price in 5 months.

Fans have to trust FSG and Rodgers.

C-MAC


Except that by then we will be desperate for a striker and the minute we sniff the price will sky-rocket. Prices in January are set by demand and desperation, not value. RED LENIN


Haha frazer campbell..u kidding right ?
and why the hell do u think FSG would pay anything when they will be available for free if we wait another 5 months..loads of tosh..
we can just keep waiting until someone turns to be a free agent and declares on Twitter its about time Lfc get him in..
BTw, pre contracts are agreeable only with foreign clubs..


By January we will still be languishing in the bottom 3 is that what you want trust FSG at your peril


Expect Walcott to sign a new contract. I think he will realise that no-one will pay him what he wants


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:56:18
question for your lot would you share a stadium with everton,in order for both teams to gain extra finance and put the two clubs back to the top of english football.


NEVER!!!!

MR EM


I dont think it would ever happen. I would not be a liverpool supporter if it did.


Youll want to share wid everton,wen ur in the championship


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:54:46
Dear Brendan Rodgers,

Kindly play Fabio as a centre forward and not on the wing. Let Luis & Raheem interchange on either side of him. Thank you. ZA13


Or drop fabio


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:51:38
Gerrard's body language and performance were poor. Can't help thinking he is very annoyed at Carroll's move. He is a captain by leading with performance. We need a captain who shouts and talks to players can't think of anyone who does that currently in team. We have bought midfield players when we already had enough - anyone can see we need goalscorers as can't see where goals are coming from. Lowest I have ever felt still can't believe Americans got rid of KK {Ed063's Note - I'd personally take the armband off Gerrard and give it to Skrtel or Allen. I feel both lead by example in terms of 100% commitment on the pitch}


Agger for captain for me.

HK


Skrtle makes too many mistakes u can't lead by example if all u do is **** up! And Allen is not ready to be a captain never mind our captain


I'd make Lucas captain and Reina vice. {Ed063's Note - If Lucas weren't injured I agree}


I saw the match liverpool v arsenal and gerrard played poor but im struggling to understand why people are critical of his attitude what makes u say that? and stripping him of his captaincy are u sure about this? {Ed063's Note - He was constantly looking to blame others and very rarely defended. This is not just one match - his attitude has been poor since the West Brom match}


"you can't believe why they got rid of kk.... Are u serious? Your kk and td spent over £100 million on below average talent. It's like an investment manager buying useless stock at a very high price and because of that the company is forced to take the hit by selling low because that stock will never ever sell at such a high price ( cough Charlie Adam).... We are in this mess because of kk and u have the nerve and audacity to make such an irresponsible comment. U want kk go on the mirror website were he is "contributing" articles on how great Carroll is etc, but don't u dare wish that man back here


What nutters here

Gerrard is the only captain

Because he can no longer be captain fantastic everyone is having a go at him can allen do what gerrard used to do no he can't

Gerrard wil come good give him a few weeks with what is going on at LFC I would not be surprised if he was p*ssed off I'am p*ssed of as are many others but venting at Gerrard serves no purpose he still a better midfield player than any other we have

FFS even Carra who is not in the team is getting slagged off wake up people see it for what it is not what it isn't


Did you see the gesticulating that he did at Suarez when he gave the ball away resulting in Podolskis goal? Instead of putting his head down and getting back and making up for his mistake he would rather blame someone else.
Having said that did you see Podolski run past Johnson like he wasn't moving for that goal. He ran a good 70m to score, that's the desire I want to see from our players. Arsenal showed us the 2 players that we are missing (well excluding a targetman) in Podolski, and Cazorla. Both would have been brilliant buys for us, and would have cost us the same as Allen + Borini


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:51:32
So who else is available on a free anyway?

Owen
Drogba
Anelka
Del Piero
Kewell
Hargreaves?
Klasnic?
????????

There has to be a heap more? anyone know any?


Del Piero is in Sydney, Anelka's never been a goal-scorer, Drogba's on easy street, Klasnic not good enough, Hargreaves and Owen have arguably insurmountable injury problems and Kewell hasn't been good since he left Leeds. Owen the best of this list on a pay-as-you-play basis but risky.

Alternatively, give the youngsters a chance to step up and see if they can mix it with the big boys. Probably the better option all round.

Mrpjd


Del piero signed for a club in the A-league


Del Piero signed for Sydney.

Zero


Is Somen Tchoyi available?


Take a look for your self,

www.transfermarkt.co.uk


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:44:07
fergie crocked reject .im speechless ? ...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:40:27
hey ed, great site.
people stop paying out on fsg. they took us over, payed off all the debt, gave kenny 100million to build a side and he F...ed up! we all know what kenny done in the past but if he didnt get things so terribley wrong we would prob be IN the camp league right now and all loveing fsg. im from australia so have no reason to defend fsg its just how i and everone else i speak to says so get on kennys back. any wonder he was fired!


50 million of that was the sale of torres,remember that,so our inial outlay of 20 million we got 50,so overall they did splash 100 mill,but all that wasn't there own money,half was already at the club...


Mate the fans have well and truly turned against FSG. There is no hope for them they have got so much abuse i think they will have to sell.


To who exactly? You really think there's a long line of idle billionaires with cash to squander?


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:37:02
Can I just ask everyone's opinion on this, do you think that Shelvey should be in the team before Gerrard based on their performances so far this season?

Gerrard looks so uninterested when we don't have the ball and just walks about most of the time. When Shelvey is on the pitch he is giving 110%, although this gets him into trouble sometime.

I just wondered what the rest of you think, you too ed's?

N.I. RED {Ed063's Note - Gerrard's attitude is awful in my opinion. He gives the ball away far too easy and then looks around to blame others when he does. He also fails to track back and defend at all. Jonjo Shelvey has been superb this season, showing a real creative spark in the final third which we desperately need. For me it's a no brainer, Stevie out Jonjo in.}


The big question is why?

1) Is he tired after playing back-to-back games?
2) Dissatisfied with the club policies / transfer failure?
3) Disagreement with BR's policy? {Ed063's Note - It doesn't matter why. As soon as he steps onto the pitch he should leave his feelings about what is wrong with the club behind and give 100% to the cause. Any other player and they would have been sold long ago}


Maybe he's fed up, the closest he got to greatness was with rafa, he's been fed rubbish by different owners for years! Can u blame him for being pissed off with the club? He's probably got 2 years max left and for 1 year now he knows he'll be fighting relegation! {Ed063's Note - Yes I can blame him. If he feels the club owes him then he needs to leave. No one is bigger than the club}


I guess, Ed. All the more when he is captain of the team.

But I can't help but defend to say he is also a human. Too many false dawns and promises over the last few years (ever-changing managers, owners who have over-promised and under-delivered). It gets to anyone.

I hope he shakes out of it asap. {Ed063's Note - I hope so too, but until he does he should realise he isn't guaranteed a starting place - he needs to earn it}


I suspect that Rogers has the cojones to drop Gerrard if he thinks it's for the best.

Mrpjd


Sorry ed, can't agree. Look what ste g has done for this club, not sayin he should be picked on merit. But same as us fans how many broken promises of we'll be challenging next few years {Ed063's Note - Any team should be picked on merit mate. Steven Gerrard isn't in the top 3 midfielders in our squad atm based on form}


My biggest issue is his wage he must be on 100k plus and he isnt good enough to warrant that same with carragher


Completely agree ed. When liverpool were a real world class team years ago in 70's it was team game. And everybody was treated the same. It wasn't all about one player. This attitude needs to come through now. I think it will under Rodgers. He gives me the impression he would do anything to make it work at Liverpool. That is a good attitude that should hopefully rub off on the players. Especially the younger ones. Sterling , Morgan, Allen, Suarez and Skrtel look hungry for it. Always chasing and closing down. The others got a bit of work to get to that level of commitment so far.

Jordan


I agree with you 100% ed, he is a legend of this club and we will forever be thankful for what he's done but I think his time might have come to try and tutor the younger players coming through.

I really hope that you right Mrpjd. I hope Rodgers will pick our team based on performances, after all that's why Sterling is currently playing. Going by that theory Suarez should be dropped also but the problem is that we dont have any other strikers lol.

N.I. RED


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:31:49
Hi ed if we did want to sign a player for free is there a time frame it has to be done by or can we sign a free transfer anytime of the season.

Cheers
Pauric {Ed002's Note - Out of contract players can sign at anytime as long as they (a) were out of contract when the window was open, or (b) have left a club because the club was in breach of contract.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:28:16
Looking back over the summer, I can accept most of the departures bar one. Dirk Kuyt!

Yes he wanted regular football, but considering our squad he'd certainly have got that. He's a top quality pro and was the ultimate big game player.

We really lacked his experience yesterday, Borini just looked lost and that was only part of the issue. I do think Borini will come good with time, but with our lack of numbers he'll get no time to ease in, just be thrust in and asked to perform.

On a plus point Sterling truly will be a superstar. Such incredible composure and natural ability. His raw pace will take him so far, but his other attributes can take him to the very top. Let's hope Suso, Morgan etc can all have some impact to add to Raheem's.

Allen also was class again yesterday. His passing, control and vision is world class (not saying he is yet). He's a joy to watch and will be a great player for years to come. He did however have too much to do on his own. We really will miss Lucas, as nobody could cover both Johnson and Enrique's crazy forays forward, especially when the ball comes straight back off Suarez or Gerrard (again).

I think in defence it's fair to say we miss Clarke. Yes we had iffy patches last year, but generally a few weeks after he arrived we were rock solid. I don't know much about BR's coaches but I hope they find the right balance, as yesterday as against WBA our defence was horribly exposed.

Let's hope a break works and we come back strong and raring to go. A first win at Sunderland won't be easy, but boy do we need it.

Papa G


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:24:22
Everyone's had a lot to say following the game yesterday. Here are my own remarks:

1. Joe Allen is a remarkable footballer. His tactical discipline, composure, decision-making and technical ability are near impeccable. Additionally, his pressing and ball-winning is excellent. I wouldn't have had any qualms paying £20m+ for him. He is our most important acquisition since Torres. He will very easily be our best player this season.

2. Suarez's contribution, thus importance, to this team is hugely exaggerated. Defo he is a footballer of immense talent, but most bafflingly, he can't mix the ingredients together and come up with cake.
Here is a player who will, at very least, get two clear-cut chances every game but singularly squander them both. He needs five chances to score one goal. His link-up play and decision-making is oftent abject and passing erratic. He will needlessly lose possession no less than 5-10 times on average a game. He is hasty and rash and is devoid of a mastered technique (main reasons for his inability to score).
These are all in stark contrast with his counterparts, i.e Tevez, Van Persie, Aguero, who all have impeccable composure and technique.

I disagree totally with those who say we are a "Suarez injury/suspension from imploding". We will be no worse off. As I've explained, Suarez's contribution hasn't been all satisfactory. He does create chances, sure. However, most are for himself, which, in any case, he squanders.
I'd say he's been more of a liability. How many clear-cut chances has he missed? How many balls has he given away (which instantly put the side under pressure)? How many times has he chosen the cowardly, daft option of easily going down instead of pushing on with the run?

Honestly, I'm unconvinced that he is as important as he's been out to be.
He can be great, but not like this.
If he doesn't get his act together, honestly I would consider a sale in summer.
He's not been good value-for-money.

3. Gerrard. Great player in his heyday, but a significant liability right now. Erratic passing, loses possession an awful lot and very poor workrate. West Brom's second goal and Arsemal's first due to him.
Brendan seriously needs to consider limiting his role, like Carra.

4. For whatever reason, Pepe Reina's been appalling, for the past two or so seasons. He alone will cost us 10+ points this season. Your keeper is the last person you shouldn't rely on.
The feeling is that Reina, right now, is the last person we can rely to save the day. That's a dangerous.
Way forward here is to get another keeper in. Jack Butland would be a good first port of call. In fact, two.
Honestly I've been of the view that Reina should be sold summer. He can't be relied on even as back-up.

5. Suso should be drafted in. Imo, he's been more ready ability wise. Physically he looks good as well. Though still, he has more ability than anyone currently playing his position there.
If it was with little qualm that Downing, indeed an awful player, was dropped, why the hesitation with Gerrard, who's been no better off, if not marginally worse?

What youngsters lack in experience they make up for with hunger, passion and desire, as we've seen with Sterling who, boy has been exceptional. Rodgers should give Suso his chance.

6. The philosophy Rodgers wants to implement and entrench is no doubt top notch, the way I've always wanted my teams to play.
Problem is, the personnel simply is adequate enough. Bar Dagger, Jonno, Ster, Sahin and Allen (sometimes Suarez), the others simply aren't at home with the ball to the required standard.
For this 'tiki taka' to bring its full might to bear, all eleven members ought to handle the ball very, very well.

Did you see Arsenal yesterday? For the most part they looked every bit what Rodgers envisions us being: passing, composure, ball retention, off-the-ball movement, short interchanging.

Some of we players get too panicky when pressed. Most of our precise passing happens in our first third. Last third of the pitch we clueless, tossing it back and forth in front of their back four with scarce penetration. Bar Ster and Suarez, the close close control, skill and movement simply isn't there to play in tight areas.

Over the next two or so windows, Rodgers will have to be properly backed in his attempt to mould and remould this team with the specific players he needs for his system. Relying on
converts like Skrtel, Downing, Gerrard etc to master this sort of style will be cumbersome.
That's why the likes of Suso and Seba have to be given greater opportunities.

7. Borini is, and will continue being, utterly useless out in the flanks. He's no winger. He has neither the pace nor skill to be anything other than pants there.

8. So long as we continue with this inexplicable mentality of attacking with only 2 or 3 bodies, we will find it exceedingly difficult to create, let alone score, goals.

Bodies, 6, 7, should pour forward to support.
Sort it out.
Congrats to Arsnal

BARNEY


Spot on! PJ


Spot on but i think your wrong about suarez, he is the best player we have playing in the wrong position. He should never be playing through the middle, as we all know his best position is coming in from the flanks and leaving defenders for dead and borini should be there in the middle waiting to poach because that is exactly what he is.RedTurk {Ed063's Note - Exactly, Suarez and Borini are both playing in each others strongest positions}


I agree with the poster...Suarez I feel is a bit overrated. He does the difficult things but can't get the basics (passing and shooting) right. He has a bad pass success rate and also a poor chance conversion rate. Borini, too needs to play as a CF where he could be more effective and Suarez can use his trickery on the right wing. Even Suarez's final ball is bad sometimes. He can't see the other players making the runs and takes a lot of time to play the pass. I think BR needs to address this situation and if Borini doesn' perform either, I think getting Owen back will be the best possible option for the club because even though he has lost his pace, his finishing is top class and he can get us a few goals.

Red PG


Brilliant post... I've said this so long, luis Suarez is no where near world class like fans think he is... I would snap anyone's hand off for 30 million for him.. He scored great goals but misses way way to many chances, since he has been in the prem he has had more touches in the box than any other player, but still manages a poor goal return.

G BOX


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:21:41
I must be watching a different game to everyone else because I'm still really positive. We lost a game by going forward too much and got caught. Then pepe threw another one in. This is not the end of the world! Look where we were two years ago with Hodgsons lump and run tactics. I would much rather us persevere with this until we get it right than go back to the old days. Have faith we will be fine, last season we beat Arsenal 2-0 at the Emirates and they finished 3rd. Still early guys lets not push the panic button just yet! YNWA


I disagree as I think we never looked like winning the game and Arsenal were clearly the better team...

Red PG


 

 

03 Sep 2012 06:53:32
Hi Eds,
its been a hecti week for us as lfc suppurters and urselves.
Id really like to run a few things by u guys and here ur thoughts on it.

I believe that FSG are the best thing to happen to our slub in a long time and i cannot even begin to image the amount of money they are losing in just keeping our doors open, with that being said , i heard the figure lost a year was around 50 mil pounds a year, which is also due to being out of the uefa, kenny d and H and G . I understand FSGs plan of action and very much agree, but even with the fantastic manager we have , i find it hard not to see a second 7th place finish, and no uefa again.
The truth of the matter is the squad is one of the best weve had in a longtime , the back four and 3 midfield, i wouldnt swap for anything, the front three tho are a different case.
Suarez and steerling are a gift from above and i really think that if fsg were to throw say 60 mil pounds just for two world class forwards, we would with no doubt challenge fot 1st place . We are better than any team at playing the ball, but are one one of the worst in putting in the old onion bag.
The near purchase of Damaio tels me that we can still atract top quality, we just need a huge cash injection in the right place , say we get Falcao and Damaio , yes it is possible . And we will have to pay a high price and huge wages in the right place . But it will get us where we need to be .
On the other hand the FSG approach will take us 2-3 years to be at the top and that will have lost them around 75 mil minmum by then .
What are ur thoughts eds ? {Ed002's Note - FSG do not have £60M to throw at players - FAlcao won't be joining.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 06:04:41
Quick question really to the eds,
besides this site if I wanted news on the team from a British paper not the echo where would I go? On a side note its only three games. Try supporting a Pirates MLB team who has had 20 losing seaons in a row. Keep the faith.

Fl Matt {Ed002's Note - I really have no idea.}


Google the paper name ie mirror. Why you would want to I don't no because there full of sh!te
Tommy.


Newsnow/liverpool


 

 

03 Sep 2012 04:43:32
eds, if you could please give your opinion/s, given our financial woes. the owners want to run the club in a prudent fashion, and we have very little to spend on players. balance and spend what we are generating.
what are the chances we could sell naming rights of anfield to raise cash in the short term to raise cash to invest in 2/3 top class players, to get us back winning titles which in turn would return revenue. i know i will get slated by some,but if it helped the team get back to the top, over a shorter time. surely winning is better than losing. {Ed002's Note - I have explained at length the situation. If Anfield naming rights are sold the money would be used in the first instance to rework Anfield.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 04:30:27
Hey eds,

Do you know the "circumstances regarding" Yesil's buy-back option? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:25:08
Hey guys, love this site! Was wondering if you could tell us the free agents that are still available. I only know of 2 that would interest us.... Owen and Drogba??

Cheers, keep up the good work :)

Gaz {Ed062's Note - Drogba isnt a free agent, there are a few notable ones: Suazo, sinamma pongelle, tungay, del piero}


Del piero ? isnt he older than brendan himself is ? that would be awkward..


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:13:50
Having Let the dust settle on another inept performance from our beloved Liverpool I feel it's time that we as supporters should get behind our manager BR and start showing him some respect and loyalty, unlike what the owners have done.

I feel the club has let BR down on all fronts and have left him out to dry and exposed in the public/media domain. BR came to the club with a breath of freshness about him, he fully understood the challenge ahead of him and he new that he had been left a team of media orca players on huge salaries, things had to change.

Last seasons performances in the league was simply not good enough, we as fans myself included came on this site on numerous occasions to vent our frustrations at the poor performances of some of our players as not being good enough for our club. We all knew that the club had to change massively to move forward or we would end up slipping further and further down the league.

The owners realised this too and for once they backed the fans concerns and did the right thing and sacked KD and DC.
Yes the owners had been let down by KD buys, and some ridiculous contracts and a wage bill that was totally out of control, but at the end of the day THEY are the owners of the club and therefore they are just as much to blame for allowing this to happen.

Roll on this season, KD gone BR now appointed instead of trusting BR to get the club back on an even keel the owners seemed to have turned there back on BR and instead chose to conduct a cost cutting exercise ridding the club of the over inflated wage bill and leaving BR with very little spend on rebuilding the squad.

I agree like most reds on this site that the wage bill had to come down, BR has done this with all his new signings. But the owners have shown a total lack of understanding of modern day football, by penny pinching and by not backing a new manager at the club.

Its been almost 2 years since the owners took over the club, we are still no further forward with the strength of our squad to what it should have been. We are no further forward in the redevelopment of Anfield or new stadium, we are on our third manager in 2 years, Transfer window shambles, does this sound like a club that is being run properly?

The answer is NO...

We need answers from the owners, we need answers now, we need to know are they in this long term if so then they need to start backing BR. It's no good staying silent and doing nothing and leaving BR to try and keep a brave face when it's clear for all to see that he feels let down with the owners inept managing of our once great club.

Keep your chin up BR...YNWA....

Curled1


Love this site Eds and am addicted. This is my first post and want to use it to agree that from a purely management point of view there is a distinct lack of control and progress from the owners. To recover fans backing I believe fsg should issue a statement of intent re the next few years. No fans support- no club so i believe lfc fans at least deserve this.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 08:09:45
It's always a good idea to have a good sleep after a result like yesterdays, and not jump straight on to the Banter site venting anger.

What we all now know is that Arsenal already do extremely well what BR wants us to do. They pass quickly, accurately, and have great movement.

They are also solid at the back.

We only really looked dangerous in the last 10 minutes when they sat deep, and let us have the ball in front of them.

Our goal threat as usual was almost non existant, and our distribution was as bad as I have seen it for some time. We gave the ball away numerous times, which was not good to watch.

We were comprehensively, and completely outplayed, and out muscled, particularly in midfield. We have a small side now in the middle and up front, so we have no option of a plan B like AC could offer.

It needs to improve but we all will have to grit our teeth and put up with more of this for a while yet.

KBL


 

 

03 Sep 2012 07:53:38
... Lucas is a massive miss... his injury last year was the reason we didn't do well, let's hope he is back doom from this one... too many gaps in the middle of the park...
RedIsh


 

 

03 Sep 2012 07:53:30
On top of Paul Ince the following players have played for Manchester United and Liverpool:
Transfers to Manchester United from Liverpool 1912 August Tom Chorlton (FB), 1920 Sept Tom Miller (F) (£2000), 1929 Feb Tommy Reid (F), 1938 Jan Ted Savage (HB), 1938 Nov Allenby Chilton (HB)
Transfers from Manchester United to Liverpool 1913 Nov John Sheldon (F), 1921 May Fred Hopkin (F), 1954 Feb Tommy McNulty (FB) (£7000), 1964 Apr Phil Chisnall (F) Liverpool (£25,000) Not Forgetting Michael Owen and also Peter Beardsley was with United from 1982/83 only making 1 appearance though

so if owen comes he comes lets just get behind the team


Owen knifed Fowler in the back and deliberately ran his contract down. He can get stuffed.


Shut up! Sick of this he left for 8 mil he basically told us to do 1! Then we wanted him back he chose Newcastle! He can't last more than 30 mins and injured all the time.


For me the killer was his first interviews at Utd - 'even when I played for Liverpool I hoped Fergie would come in for me' (I paraphrase only slightly). I don't want that fecker anywhere our club, ever. Ever.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 07:44:14
Rodgers is set to sign Drogba


I hope so he is still proven prolific scorer even if he is still old


 

 

03 Sep 2012 07:43:16
We still have about 6 million from the sale of Adam and other loan fees.

Rogers needs to get at least two strikers as free agents and move Suarez to the wing where he'll be more effective.

For the last time, Suarez is not a striker and he won't score goals and if we don't score, we won't win.

Doni and Jones need to earn thier wages and sit out fat Reina.

Rogers, shine your eyes and stamp your foot before its too late. Get two strikers this week. Yes this week before spurs, villa or any mod*fka snaps them up. Any two would do - Drogba, Owen or anyone who can score goals.

Please search far and wide- America, Asia, Europe or even Africa. Please we need goals Rogers. We need goalzzzz


 

 

03 Sep 2012 07:41:11
Dutch special cake merchants back.Did you go?!
Can the "writer" please explain this comment now that he sobered up from the Dutch special brew?
Dutchmal


 

 

03 Sep 2012 04:25:15
As its already looking like its going to be a long transitional season without much/any to spend in Jan then I hope BR gives Tesil & Susu some first team experience as Boroni doesn't seem the part & then bring in Walcott on a free & buy Sturridge & another goalscorer. Then next season we should be back up there & wondering if an ageing Gerrard might be better deployed in the Lucas/Alonso role rather than an attacking midfielder?


Haha... Lets get x, y and z, how about making sure Agger, Sterling and co are still here next year


Gerrard should be dropped. Yesterday was a disgrace by him. Kept losing the ball and wouldnt track or run back to help get it back. Who agrees? {Ed063's Note - I agree}


He is no more a player who could play 3 matches a week..like BR said we have too thin a squad but somehow he is not ready to give the youngsters even a place in the bench..carra is there alongside 2 other defenders but no morgan,suso,pacheco,assaidi !
he is misusing suarez, borini and overusing sterling already..hope doni,pacheco,suso,assaidi coming in could help us a bit..


 

 

03 Sep 2012 03:56:11
Ok, everyone is disappointed by the loss yesterday, and the team's general form so far this year.

We are also angry that BR was left in the lurch by FSG and that there has been no formal response from FSG so far.

The window is shut and now we need to get on with it, irrespective of whether a free signing eventuates.

People say "play the youth", and I agree with this. But we need to do it now. We need to throw them in the deep end. Starting this weekend, I don't want to see a bunch of hacks starting or on the bench. I want to see young players sprinkled through out the team. I want to see young players given their chance. We will quickly find out who has talent. If you're good enough, you're old enough. Look at Sterling.

I'd rather see the club sacrifice a season to unearth good talent than persist with over paid hacks.

English football is very conservative, and players wait years to get a debut. Stuff it, just throw them in. I want to see hungry kids, fighting for their position in the team, not over paid nobodies who are more worried about what sports car they're going to buy next.

Come on BR, take a risk! Short term pain for long term gain.

AussieLFC


 

 

03 Sep 2012 06:07:41
Could it be that the lack of investment in players this window is an indication that money will be spent on a new stadium?


We need to have a shared stadium with the other lot from across the park, that would solve all the problems and put Merseyside back on top.
Phil (CFS)


No thanks,we dont want 2 share wid liverpool,true blue


 

 

03 Sep 2012 05:52:40
Given the fact we can now only sign free agents, who is available?
They must improve the team and be capable of remaining fit so that rules out Owen on one or both grounds
A couple of names being mentioned
Drogba
Anelka
Any others?

madmax


Don't shoot me down on this one but Fowler and Owen could still do a job for Liverpool and they have kept themselves fit.
Phil (CFS) {Ed063's Note - As much as I love Fowler - did you watch him in the A-league? He looked too slow for that league so would not be a good fit for the prem.}


The thought of Fowler pulling on a Liverpool shirt again gives me goosebumps! He wouldn't need to be quick Ed, the way we are playing we are putting chances on a plate - just need someone to finish them and stop hitting them straight at the keeper or woodwork!!

Think some of the other posts are right though, this could be a chance to blood some of the youngsters - Assaidi (think i spelt that right lol) and this German kid they signed look awesome and it might be time to give Suso a chance - watched him here in Belfast before the season started and him and Flanaghan were a class above the rest.

Think we'll be ok if we shore up the defence and stop making mistakes - 2 there on Sunday, Gerard for the first goal and Pepe beaten at his near post for the second - we get our defence like last season and I think the goals will come

BR gonna be a legend!!

Bill (an Irish Red for life!!)


Im sorry as much as we all love fowler he would not be a good signing


 

 

03 Sep 2012 05:31:05
Ohh since last night, I have greater respect for the fans of mid table / bottom half table sides....

I wonder how they keep on doing it season after season...Supporting a team through thick and thin is tough...Supporting a team through thin and thin is even tougher....

Wigan, Fulham, Stoke City etc fans..hats off to you... Now I know how it feels and what it takes to support a team through season after season with no hope to achieve anything....


 

 

03 Sep 2012 04:35:29
Surely after dropping 9 players and £500k a week from the wage bill as a result, we can afford ONE decent striker in Drogba, on a short term deal, no?


No. Pretty sure we're still losing money, though it's closer. Remember Suarez got a raise as did Skrtel, plus the new signings and Sahin isn't a freebie.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 03:20:00
This is not a rumour but I just wanted to say that I have read the BBC web site tonight. Their article on B. Rogers and our owners proves to me that he is a much needed class act. He needs time to get things right but he given the chance I am sure he will lead our great club back to success. He has all the qualities that have made me a proud supporter of LFC for the last 46 years. Come on Brendan, bring back all that made us the greatest - tradition, professionalism, class and sparkle. The Liverpool way. YNWA.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 03:08:29
BR has to have the balls to call up 3-4 youth to train with the first team. he can't be too scared not to have a close look at them. the natural excuse would be "I'm not going to panic and through in youth players" but at least give them a close look to see what they got to offer.

have ngoo go against our 1st team defense and see if he can do what he does for the u21's

have suso play in the middle (gerrard role or RWF) to see if he can keep calm and move the ball like he always does for u21's or Spain u19.

get Yesil in to see if he scores goals and how he does against skrtel and agger.

they have to be our main goal threats from the u21's.

Suso - from freekicks, corners and open play. 18 (soon to be 19) jamie redknapp was 17 on his debut.

Yesil - from open play.

Ngoo - from open play. He is 19 (soon to be 20) the same age ngog was when Raffa bought him for the first team.

i know we don't want a bunch of youngsters running around but they are our best and they can only benefit from the experience of training under BR.


I wish you had signed your post, mate. Maybe a few years from now we are going to recall this moment as the beginning of a good career. I'd say give any forward who is being trained at the academy a look. After all, that is what they are ultimately there for. The culture at the club has to change. Enough of the 'he is not ready mentality' This may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. For all of you who were crying for Suso, if the kid has a set, this is his time.

Canadian Fan


"have ngoo go against our 1st team defense and see if he can do what he does for the u21's"

do you really think that BR hasn't done this already? this is what goes on in training bud.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:39:11
hey Ed's , is it true that Assaidi has cancelled
his contract ? just heard something by a few people that he had and that's why he didn't even make the bench yesterday. {Ed002's Note - Twitter is this?}


Ahhh the infamous 30 day buy back rule...lol

Bazingaa


Biggest pile of CRAP I've ever heard. He has just come back from Ramadam meaning he hasn't eaten for 1 month and he is definitely not match fit. He will play when he is..

BthekingB


He has certainly eaten in the last month mate, just not during daylight

Melbourne CFC


Not going to argue, Bkingb, but just thought I'd point out Ba, Cisse, and Ben Arfa are also Muslim and appear to be okay to play...


As far as Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa are concerned I was told they do not fast whereas Assaidi fully fasted meaning he was only able (in the UK) of eating between the hours (approximately) of 9pm and 4.30am (as another poster pointed out)...it definitely weakens you which is why most muslim athletes during the Olympics were given guidance on exemptions from the religious fast by their respective countries.


Fasting is not a reason to say u cant play. im a muslim myself.

Kaizer


Fasting is no reason but your not supposed to be doing sports that will make you sweat and get thirsty. I'm a muslim too. I'm assuming you would go for a run wry day while not being able to eat and drink for nearly 18 hours and only being able to eat and drink after 9??


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:28:49
i'd look at youth over free agents

Ngoo over Klasnic and Heskey

Yesil over Owen

Suso over gudjohnsen


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:11:03
I have held off this post to a time when I would calm down and be more rational. So here goes...

Let's assess the last few years.

We were doing well and then H&G got into serious financial difficulty because of the world economic situation. This was a major setback for LFC. At this point we were I a predicament that we have not been used too.. We had to sell to buy.

Unfortunately at the time Xabi Alonso was the only asset we could have sold that was work anywhere near 10million+ apart from Gerrard.

Benitez sold him for funds. The fact he wanted Gareth Barry is immetarial. The world had changed.

For the past few years we have had Chelsea and Man City spending £300-400m+ and not living within their means, but they bought success.

We cannot compete on that level.

FSG came in and cleared all but £30m worth of debt. Then Hogson wasted money on koncheski and Puolson. Then KK spent on far to much on his signings. AC was £15m too much. Downing and Henderson £10m too much. Acqulani was bought by Benitez for £17m and we were made to look like mugs around the work when we more or less gave him away.

For all the money that FSG have put in, we as a club have screwed them over... We have wasted so much money. So you cannot criticise them for lack of funds. It was there and we simply have not spent well.

The latest transfer window we have been critical of Ian Ayre for failing to get Dempsey. I personally believe that Fulham were playing hard ball with because we have a history of paying whatever people want.. Andy Caroll when no one else was in for him, hendo and downing too..

We are a laughing stock!

So I support Ian Ayre. We offered £4m for a player that said he wanted to join Liverpool. Was in the last year of contract and was not playing for Fulham. So he was worthless to them. So why offer £7m for him?

I am concerned about our lack of strikers but in the last window we saved £425k a week or £23m a year on wages. We are slowly getting our finances in order.

It is FACT that unless you have £400m you cannot win the league easily. But if you get a team that is financially viable. This increases you transfer budget.

We have to go with what we have, not be seduced in January, and then next summer we should have a decent war chest. This side we have should be a top8 team.

This will do me... For a WIP.

We all want the league when we can't compete financially to do this AND we are a WIP.

As fans we ask a lot but if we stick to this model and be financially strong through adept financial management, we should have a decent budget from FSG.

We want players at our club who want to wear the shirt, not rape us of our money.

Everton are a good example... Low finances but they have still bough great players for peanuts... Baines, Coleman, Cahill, Marrillas etc.. These players are out there. We need to buy smarter... Simple a that!!


Even Sebastian Leto can finish 2nd top goal scorer in the Greek League.


Offer the value that he was sold for, not what a non football man like Ian Ayre offered - crazy statement, Fulham put out a statement we offered £3 million - an insult to Fulham and Dempsey.


To the specific point of We want players at our club who want to wear the shirt, not rape us of our money.
..........we seemed to have a full team of that type of player until 1990 and a liverpool team for which a home defeat was never going to happen. all has changed now to a team that is not expected to win or even score at home regardless of the opposition. comparing with man utd as an example, i can see them scoring and or winning against any team no matter which 11 players they put out


But did you not see them goaless against Everton first game of the season??


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:34:52
As fans, we will just have to 'hope and pray' that BR can get things right, really we have no other option.
Sadly the opportunity to sign some decent strikers has come and gone.
The 'responsibility' of what went wrong during the transfer window, will rest with the owners and Ian Ayre.
Sadly, for all their use of 'specialists' during the managerial recruitment process, the owners have still failed to grasp the basic fundamentals of football.
I am not one to criticise overtly, but clearly there is something wrong at the top.
The 'financial philosophy' of FSG may be relevant in Baseball, but it is totally misguided when it comes to football.
Thus, in the interests of all concerned parties, maybe it is now and truly the time for FSG to depart, because their somewhat 'autocratic, and misdirected, and unrealistic' management and ownership style, is not what LFC needs. Dear FSG focus on Baseball rather, because your lack of understanding about football is nothing short of embarassing!.


Give it a rest will ya! FSG are still in the process of fixing the mess they bought. They hired KK (who most of us were screaming out for) and DC (who they would have thought to be "in the know" when it comes to footballing matters). KK's buy's were not good enough last season, and DC paid well over the odds. Mistakes were made, and they are being sorted out. It will take time.... TBH if it was me that saved a club from administration, chucked a bucket load of cash at it and started getting the abuse that they are getting, all because a couple of games haven't gone our way then I'd sell it back to H&G and let them get their own back at us!! Its what we deserve.... Get off their backs and support the team, its what us "supporters" are supposed to do! YNWA rrrRedAlert


I would disagree a bit. I don't think the owners are 'bad' at all. I think they may have underestimated how deficient our squad was relative to it's peers and I think they may have (and continue to be) given fairly bad advice, but running a football club from a financial perspective is not rocket science nor all that different from a baseball team, basketball team, or really any other business.

I think they also maybe didn't understand how much influence the supporters have in the football world. In American sports, the owners typically aren't really much in the spot light or mentioned a whole lot and the expectation from most is that of course clubs would be run at a profit (well, for the most part anyway).

There are three primary methods of income for any professional sport- gate/turnstile/vending receipts, media income, and deals with commercial agencies. Two main expenses- players wages and continuing operations. Simply put, our wages (and less so, operations) are (or were) far higher than our income can bear.

This 'philosophy' that revenue should actually exceed costs is not something that is an American invention or one associated with baseball, it's simply common sense.

Over the past few years, we've increased our wage bill to unsustainable levels, particularly without the £25M+ that comes from playing in the CL. This had to be addressed as the 'buy big and hope for the best' strategy under Kenny didn't work out. Of concern to me is I believe the owners have a open loan of sorts now floated with banking interests, meaning that money out (if in excess of that in) could be placed directly on the club's debt instead of being funded by them. Thankfully, I don't think they've yet used that particular line of credit. So, now we're on to phase 2 instead- belt tightening. It's going to sting a bit and I don't think we're done yet honestly, but quite frankly we can't afford to have a 8th (or worse) place squad on CL wages. City and Chelsea could do so- we cannot. We've been in the top 6 or so in wage spending for the last several years, near the top in terms of transfers fees paid as well, and what do we have to show for it? Clearly we simply have to be more successful in our transfer strategy moving forward.

Personally, I think Ian Ayre needs to be moved into a 'Commercial Director' position and we need a shrewd, experienced professional at the helm in Liverpool who has more or less carte blanche to run the club for the owners (our own David Dein-clone would be nice). I don't know who that person would be, but I think their time has come.

RDL


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:42:45
to all fans and eds, we as fans are simply finding a way to let out our frustrations which is alright and should be respected . Yes obviously the normal fans would not and SHOULD not abuse the owners or their family that is childish and stupid. If you have criticism put it through let them know but equally they should come out and talk to us and let us know they are on our side.
last year when Arsenal went through their disastrous start their owners held a news conference where they calmed their fans down . We deserve no less. The owners have to understand we have supported this club for a long time and we have been throough a lot and it hurts us when preventable mistakes happen.
They are new here, but we have been taking rubbish for so long and we all get very worried, and we are all tired of broken promises. They have bought a club with its fans not without. Yes there are some that are overdoing it but you can't generalise.
We do respect them for the good they have done so far but we want more clarity from them and for them to be committed and show us that.
hibsylfc


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:24:23
Lots of rumours at the ground today that Ayres on thin ice 'cos was responsible for transfer window f ups-Fenway wanting fall guy? whatever the truth were still ran pathetically for a worldwide institution-ffs-sort it-SOMEBODY!


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:24:00
big lfc fan eds..and also good job..why are fans attacking rodgers after 3games..do you tink we are d only ones frustrated..d guy must be sad alone when he sees d bench..I wud bet ma ass unda kd sterling wud not be starting or even coates d blueprint is already there only 2 or 3 players left to complete it.against arsenal we missed a combative dm..dats why diaby all of a sudden felt world class..ma mind is not even set on top 4 just want all round progress dis season..and rodgers seems bold to make the right calls..sending carroll out was wrong fine buh why put him on d bench and keep damaging his confidence buh we do need someone else..my only problem rodgers should fix is d wing sterling is too young for us to want him 2 create most of our chances..borini aint productive dere and its killin us..so many fake fans this days..arsenal have gone through worse and they still stuck dere..why all dis crap after 3games if u can't support lfc then stay away from us..YNWA {Ed063's Note - I dont know why they are attacking him. It is very impatient of them}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:21:53
how long before Brendan demands showdown talks,wasnt happy-showed with Carroll comment.Hes been stiffed publically,who could blame him? {Ed063's Note - Your right - he clearly isnt happy. However we need to support ALL aspects of Liverpool Football club now more than ever. That includes FSG because if they were to leave now, we would be well and truly in a lot of trouble}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:25:43
Eds,
Only watched the second half today as ive been on nights, must say though the comments on this site today don't reflect what I witnessed. I though arsenal were quite good and played a good passing game. Again Allen looked very tidy and looks like a steal at 15 mill. pepe should not be letting goals in like the second and I feel he may have become complacent, which is understandable
Considering his understudy never gets used. Think it's time that he has a rest for a game or two just to let him feel some
Pressure on his place. Same for gerrard, although the amount of disrespect being shown on this site by some is quite disgusting. We would not have achieved anywhere near what we have in the last ten years if it wasn't for Gerard, people will be sorry when he does finish up.
For the Sunderland game I would play a midfield of Sahin, Allen and Shelvey (think hes earned it) and a forward three of suarez, Boroni and sterling/Gerard (as sub).
This would give us plenty of attacking options as well as giving us a good balance with allen and Sahin on midfield.
Andy the red


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:25:11
if we need wages off the books steve is a good shout at wages being wasted. two players could come in and be satisfied with a half each from the amount he gets.


Cole, Carragher, Reina, Johnson. Another 350k a week (or thereabouts). Need a replacement for Reina, obviously, so maybe net savings of 300k a week (15M per year).


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:20:54
It needs to dawn on people that any ownership looking at resale value isn't interested in building a Championship winning team. The fact is that FSG are not interested in building a team as much as they are interested in book value of players.

Did Man City Owners take this silly approach?! {Ed063's Note - Of course they are! How better to make more money than to make Liverpool the biggest club in England again?}


Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. an owner who wants to resell doesn't want a team to win a championship? As the Ed said, the BEST way to make your club worth more than what you paid is to make the club as successful as possible.


And the minor little detail that Sheikh Mansour is quite a bit more wealthy than our owners... He's also one person and likely doesn't have to deal nearly so much with investors.


Try the world mate ;)


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:18:27
Latest Fergie mind-game: Talking about De Gea losing his place due to an error which could have cost them points.

Certainly does my mind in why BR doesn't do the same with Reina.

- Logic


Fergie (credit to him, I guess) doesn't really do the kid glove treatment with his players. It's obvious who is in charge at ManU and frankly we could do with a bit of that as well.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:06:24
fenway need to be in Uk more. more hands on {Ed063's Note - How will being in the UK make them more hands on than being in the US? Thats a ludicrous statement}


Actually it isn't ludicrous, its valid.

RedLee


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:05:51
Get in some direction fron the top-David dein type ffs were a laughing stock


 

 

03 Sep 2012 02:03:20
Quick question.


Today was only the 2nd full 90 mins i've seen this season but why is Suarez being played down the middle instead of Borini? I've not seen much so far this season but it seems obvious to me it should be the other way around.

Matt


No one seems to know or even have a theory. Think this is the most oft asked question of the last few weeks and I have yet to see so much as anyone disagree with your statement or offer a rational explanation for it as it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

I've read interviews with Borini where he said he preferred playing centrally and I've read old Suarez interviews at Ajax where he said he preferred to play on the right. Occasionally during games they end up like this and to me we've looked much more threatening when it does. Suarez (creative, but can't seem to finish ATM) supplying Borini (can finish, but not very creative) makes a ton more sense than vice versa.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:48:37
the motto we come not to play starting to make sense now..but i still love this club the thought of supporting a dif club is cringe worthy ticket price should be lower when there not winning


Lower ticket prices... Yeah, that would help with our financial problems...


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:43:00
Once you 'strip away' all the protective coatings (as FSG has done), then all that is left, is the exposed 'raw elements, the base matal', and that will surely rust, corrode and perish quickly, when left exposed to the elements!.
Cabernet.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:39:15
If you are not happy with the owners of LFC (FSG), then voice your 'protests' financially.
It seems that 'money' is the only issue they fully understand, because it certainly is NOT football!.


Why is it you think they need to understand football? That's Ayre's job and Rodgers's job. Their job is to sign checks and show up when a trophy is won- simple as.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:10:15
br got rid of carrol before he secured any replacement the move of a rank amatuer.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:09:50
Oh yes! hey guys, it going to take a few weeks to find our feet but for now, i have found a little cheering up method.
simply bung fifa on, put arsenal on the easiest level and bang as many past them as possible. it made me feel absolutely brilliant, especially when suarez and sahin got 2 hat-tricks each! (who will get the match ball from that 1?) lol :-)
26-1 in the end! (they only got 1 as reina got cramp trying to run up the pitch to score his 2nd)
keep smiling! jim


Lol I also got out the FIFA, however my League form wasn't great admittedly I had thought too much of myself and out in world class.


We might aswel bring back titi camara


 

 

03 Sep 2012 01:06:43
Does any fan, SERIOUSLY believe our problems on the field would be solved if we had signed Dempsey or Sturridge on loan or if we had kept Carroll?
Get REAL!
Get off Rodger's back
Get off the owner's backs
This is a team which has only played 5 competitive games under a new manager, with a new system and new team mates. Has it escaped anyone's notice that we've conceded 7 goals in 3 league games? That's not down to a lack of strikers. The team is learning a new system. Imagine if you were dropped into a new company with a new boss doing a different job and someone came and slaughtered your performance after 2 months.
The keeper and the defence are learning a new style.
The midfield and the forwards have new players, a new formation and a new philosophy.
We have played last years champions and last years 3rd placed team. We won't face many more difficult teams.
Get a hold of yourselves, grow up and remember you don't win anything after 3 games. Look at Arsenal and Spurs after 3 games last season.
The QUAGGAR


The keeper learning a new system shouldn't stop him from saving basic shots.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:59:09
A question for ed 002 if on .. You say barrios could become a free agent could u further explain please..thanks gmil {Ed002's Note - I have said nothing of the sort.}


My sincere apoligies ed 002 it was ed 006that answered a question on it sayin there could be some truth in it .ive since heard he could buy out his contract is this true....gmil {Ed002's Note - Barrios will not be moving to Liverpool.}


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:51:26
Bring back Robbie Fowler, Spearhead the attack


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:44:10
Hi eds, what is the situation with Pacheco? {Ed002's Note - There isn't one that we know of.}


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:47:36
Believe me or not guys but someone i play football with who works at chester hospital said that he saw suso in there on friday, it seems strange that he would come to chester hospital as its not the closest. Can you shed any light on the situation? i would love to see him getting some game time this season


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:37:09
Rafa must return.

It may happen after FSG sell the club.
El Toro


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:32:24
I for one would be happier with signing Drogba than I would if we had signed Dempsey. But it probably won't happen
Irishdom15 {Ed016's Note - His wages would be huge.}


That's the price FSG gotta pay for messing up. the up side would be that they have £4m plus about 85k pw which they were prepared to pay for dempsey (over 3 years) = £12.2m.

why not two year contract for drogba
£127.5k pw = £12.2m
plus £2m signing on fee
which would be like £150k pw (the exact fee we would have paid for Dempsey over three years. but we could sell him for a few million to an American or Russian team next summer getting him off the wage bill plus making at least the signing fee back)

or stick it out and get a few signings in Jan and to then have a go next season.


Drogba is the answer to the problems we have,we are playing good football.
he scores goals holds the ball well upfront.
he will cost alot but not getting in the top 4 will cost more.


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:14:23
For some reason "some fans" feel all because FSG own the club that they should just spend money willy nilly out of their own pocket just to make the team successful, rather than be self sufficient?

If next season FSG put season tickets, merchandise, beer/pies, etc.., up by 25% to pay for the signings the "so called fans" want would everyone be happy then?

Some of the "so called fans" are a disgrace, some are just deluded and some will be back to school next week!

Arsenal and Tottenham both had bad starts to the season last year and both made it into the elusive "top four" some fans need to get a grip and learn to support if you come just to moan bugger off!

dmedly


Getting a bit boring now . If some one have something to say , even if its negative and critical of owners ,manager or players then they have the right to come here and do so, this is the purpose of this site and this page in particular .. if you just want to read some optimistic nonsense that we will the champions league even though we are not even in it, then I would suggest its you who should bugger off and read the club web site ..
You called some fans deluded , I can tell you , if you think we can make top 4, you are not just deluded , but you really dont understand football.
And one last point, The owners have not spent money out of their own pocket, FSG is a company, if they invest in the club, that is money invested which is deducted out of the tax bill and not their pocket ..
Roy {Ed002's Note - You don't understand about investment do you?}


Person you have to be a Manc enjoying this and wanting it to continue


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:10:04
Arrrgghhhh! 2 weeks ago i was blasted for calling the situation (3-0 after WBA), what did I get, "fan" after "fan" calling me plastic for jumping too soon. We're in a finely balanced state here, for me BR was a massive gamble, but I'm seeing the benefits. Yes it's a wafer thin squad, yes the good players havn't worked out how to make it dominant yet. But fellow reds look at the positives, Joe Allen could be world class (not the world class people used to attach to Walcott or Wiltshire actually as good as a Alonso or Iniesta), Sterling is 17 and he's scaring defences like Barnes and Giggs did. The 4-3-3 we're playing is what most top teams in europe are, we've just not got it right yet. I'm as frustrated as every other red we don't have the massive signing/and/or/9 points out of 9. But this setup actually looks like it might flourish, get behind Borini (if for no other reason we have no-one else) and shout the team on when they get in a teams face in midfield. And one most important thing in my eyes, Riena was in the top 5 keepers in the world before the start of last season and losing him to arsenal for 20M was seen as a disaister, pick him up, form is temporary, class perminant. We all have to support and believe now, the squad is starting to get the idea, lets back them.

Coming from a fan who didn't think the Rodgers system could work, we have the players and the support that can make it!


Why are all Liverpool fans either deludedly positive or negative and never in between?


I'd love to have that optimism, but I need evidence. And if you need further evidence that even BR doesn't believe it, look at his interview with BBC post match. BR suggested he could get Carroll back in January.
1. Why would AC come back to help BR out of a hole when he was so publicly tossed.
2. What managerial brain thinks it is motivational to the remaining LFc striker(s) to suggest clawing back AC is possibility.
3. Its almost like tapping up a player who was loaned for £2m fee just 48hours ago.
4. Does BR think big Sam will let him cosy up to AC after West Ham rehabilitate the striker and pay his wages til December only for BR to try to bring AC back im January.
5. Lfc would likely have to forfeit the fee if they claim Carroll back in January. Can't see FSG letting that cash go.

Getting Drogba or Owen is just as likely! Oh hang on...jmac


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:08:29
Dear Mr Rodgers, please take a note of Mr Lambert and have the cojones to drop Mr Reina for Mr Jones/Mr Gulacsi. Mr Guzan was outstanding for Villa today.

Gillinho


 

 

03 Sep 2012 00:04:13
Cristiano ronaldo wants to leave Madrid as he's not happy, how about him on a free


Screw that..I'm waiting for Messi lol

Bazingaa


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:54:34
Looks like Owen may come back quite a few reports on that now. Personally I think any back up striker is better than none if he can stay fit he will get goals. End of the day he was at LFC in his prime and was amazing yes he went to man utd but he is past his best and no other top club wanted him so i'm happy to forgive and forget. anyone else agree? seems a bit mixed opinions flying around. I just think whats more important is us getting goals and not whos getting them and what hes done in the past. I remember him speaking to rafa when he left madrid hoping to come back then but he wasnt wanted and ended up at Newcastle.

I thought we were the better team today and just caught on counter attacks.Main problem is noone except sterling looks like making a goal. Not sure if anyone agrees but I like the way BR has us playing but think the fact our cb's become lb and rb when we have possesion is causing all the defensive cock ups. Last week with skyrtl playing the ball back from lb position ok so it was a bad pass back but if that was enrique on the left then skrtyl and coates would have still been in the cb position to chase tevez and today counter attacks down the right with no sign of Johnson then the cb's look lost as to wether to stay wide or rush back to the middle. i know he expects allen to drop in to cb when this happens but that still leaves 3 at the back. anyone who can handle watching the game again after today look out for it.

cheers
Lee


Loon better team my apse


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:49:30
i Bet one Rafael Benitez is watching proceedings with interest? Yes I said it!

Spirit_Of_Jari


Chances are he is watching...nothing else to do since he got sacked by Inter lol

Bazingaa


Or Harry? :)


No doubt he'll be on the phone to his best buddy Dan Walker to set up an interview for him on Football Focus so he can pimp himself out for a job.
I'd rather have 'Arry Redknapp


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:49:24
Eds this doesn't concern liverpool par say but were or do you think ronaldo will move to next year or in january after his admittance of being unhappy at madrid and with him sating he would like to play back in england please post and answer as its all I can think about with man city or chelsea being the only ones affording him that would be terrifying please reply {Ed002's Note - I don't see a move in January.}


But do u see him moving {Ed002's Note - If he becomes available I would think several clubs could be interested.}


Possible destinations Man Utd, Man Citeh, Chavski.

NOT a hard up Liverpool, sorry!


He knows the EPL is the best place to be right now. playing in a league where 4 teams are challenging and 3 more trying to sneak into the top 4.


Could anyone reli afford him?


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:48:13
We stood off Diaby and Toure other week. Were getting bullied in the middle. We need an imposing Souness type to go with Allen(Stevies past being that typeve player)


Jonjo would be perfect. Big and strong to bully the middle.


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:47:18
Heskey and Owen to be signed on a free!!


With every Happy meal?

Bazingaa


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:46:15
As hansen said=demble-proper player, yet we wernent even linked says it all


I find it hard to believe...considering we were linked with every footballer under the sun lol

Bazingaa


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:45:51
Thanks, Ed001 and Ed002. You've really put it all into perspective and I see now what the owners are trying to do. Short term pain with long term gain.

We can not allow ourselves to get into financial deficit which means we can not afford these 50m pound debts each year. The owners are going to try and find bargains like Assaidi and get free agents [Drogba could possibly be a good one in the future - obviously not now]. This is to reduce all costs and make sure that the fees that are owed are reduced from 50m down to 0. This won't happen over the course of one year but maybe two or three.

I am obviously not happy that we have such a young and thing squad but it will also benefit these youngsters who almost everyone on here has been begging to give games to.

I think the owners will try sell Gerrard next year though because he is on high wages with little impact and is honestly just playing on merit. He has been a wonderful player for this club but I really think it is time to let these youngsters move up such as Suso or Shelvey.

Someone on this website said that Dortmund have done what we are doing by bringing up players from youth who play together. That is exactly what we are doing but in my opinion, with a better manager. I really expect Brendan to flourish and we really need to keep him on board even if it means that we only finish top 8 every season.

I also think the owners won't want to finance 14-18m on Nuri Sahin so therefore will more likely opt for Xabi Alonso who hasn't been given a new contract and therefore will be heading into his last year [next year]. He won't cost much and he knows Liverpool through and through and has played this system for Spain before.

I don't fear for the future and neither should you. Our project is over the next 3 -5 years not this season. Too many fans on here are too short-term minded and therefore don't understand that this kind of approach will benefit us in the future and other teams won't be as successful. What this project essentially does is set in motion a system that will move all the way from the first team down to the under 16's. They will all be taught the correct way and therefore will fit into our team when they are old enough and mentally prepared for the starting 11, much like Sterling.

My final message is just stick in there and for the love of God back the manager. He knows what we are doing and it will benefit us all in the long term.

Short term pain, long term gain.

BthekingB


There are so many positives to take from the summer, even if some things haven't gone our way, like deadline day, but you've hit the nail on the head. It's been mentioned before countless number of times, but
the same example of united in the late 80's when ferguson took charge. It wasn't an overnight change - it took time and tremendous amount of patience. We'll get to the top again if we're patient and let everyone at the club do what they need to do.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:42:56
I wasn't going to bother posting for a while but I can't sit back and let some of you deluded "fans" sit there and try make sense out of what FSG did!

Most supporters dont want a "sugar daddy" we want our owners to stick to their word an not mug off the manager and fans like they did.

Brendand said he would be a "nutter" to let AC go without a replacement. And todays interview confirmed he was mugged off by the owners.

We are not talking 35 million pounds for a player like Hazard here we are talking 5/6 Mill for dempsey a player BR pinpointed as to being pivotal in his plan of rebuilding LFC!

He has sold and loaned out half of last years first team in an attempt to free up funds for a striker he said in a interview that now andy carroll has loaned out that will "allow him to make movements in the transfer market"

Andy carrolla year wage alone is 12 million not inc the 1.5 mill loan fee, adam 4 million (wages off books too), spearing out, kuyt, maxi, bellamy etc

He saved the club around half a million a week in wages.

And they cant cough up 5 mill for clint? Taking into account that could mean CL or not come the end of the season and let him go to a top 4 challenging rival!

Most the money spent on the team has been money made on selling liverpool players

Look at the red sox they are also sitting at the botom if their table after trading 260 million dollars worth of their top players

BR was made to look like a mug and it has made me feel physically sick!

When they sacked kenny they said "he stabled the club but they couldnt see him taking us forward"

Well FSG steadied the club and as a fan i am seriously doubting they can take us much further and have embarressed the very man they sacked a club legend for.

Im also hearing they are going to show King Kenny's sacking in the programme "being Liverpool" they better not Im telling you that will be disgraceful.

All we can do now iis back BR and let him know he is not and will not walk alone.

We shouldnt start rioting or anything right now but if we allow these owners to mug the manager, players and the fans off then things will never change.

Hopefully the small break until the next game will give the squad enough time to get their minds right and crack on.

Shak Attack


The lack of communication from either Ayre or FSG is also very worrying, they are not even trying to reassure the fans. It just seems preposterous to screw your coach over like that.


The rantings of a person


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:39:09
How is it going redrubbishe


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:38:11
We won't be relegated - we don't need 'free' agents - things will get better. We have excellent players like Suarez, Allen ,Sterling and Shelvey. The goals will come, the mistakes will go. The ball will hit the inside of the woodwork and go in instead of the outside. We will get the penalties and they will be scored. Every side has a poor run during a season - we are getting ours over and done with at the beginning of the season. We will also get our substitute selection right - today was just ridiculous. We will recognise that Carragher is past it (and possibly realise that Reina and Gerrard are no longer infallible). Finally, before the end of the season all the whiners will be saying "I told you so".
Dutchmal


Dutch special cake merchants back.Did you go?!


Dutchmal, while I dont always agree with you, I think you always give a balanced and constructive opinion and on this occasion, I totally agree with you.

Andy K


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:38:03
Owen or drogba? Seriously... What a joke.

Aldos tash


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:37:46
Fenway dont wana even !,pay wages out. and muppet who said we dont take ages over deals=spurs and Dempsey/sigurdsson-Even way back to wsigning Patrick Berger we take an age(all summer even then!) Wrong at top it stinks all way down.Its off pitch biggest problem.Firstly f up spending too much under KK, now other extreme.We upset clubs when trying to buy players. All clubs tap up, few regularily get as much negativity then us. Smacks of boardroom level f ups, AGAIN! Untill thats sorted we will stay carp


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:37:36
I said it before if we needed a goalscorer we should of gone for steven fletcher.

ACHILLES.


We couldn't afford him.


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:36:52
sorry guys, times will tell, br no cv to be manager of lfc. stevie g not got it anymore, no leadership. not even in top 10 this season. andy should not have gone. shame on the owners to take away our pride.


So right this guy


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:30:54
How come assaddi hasn't been given a chance yet eds he looks like a top player surely worth a go
Will


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:30:00
Tottenham in for our stadia, fans, history, Suarez, Allen, Stevie, Cathedrals, Nightlife, Humour etc etc


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:23:59
Is Owen a short term fix - maybe or maybe not. What is certain something needs to be looked at because we are so short in terms of squad depth


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:20:11
Hi all,

i wonder if anyone could help, i am currently doing an exhange in usa and have only seen couple of highlights of first game and nothing else, have the signings brought in over the summer done ok and have the teams performances been good beside the results. Info would be appreciated as i am in a tiny town with about five pubs all of which do not show "soccer" football


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:15:03
Nice passing-a.no steel b.no goals familiar??? Oh forgot get behind them,be patient, work in progress-yawwwwwnnn 26years of being run like p/t club joke


Sadly I doubt you have been around that long. We are begining to be run the right way now and recovering from years of being poorly run. If you cant see that, then you are in for a very disappointing time ahead. Have mistakes been made? Yep. Will they continue to be made? Yep. Is the plan and intention heading in the right direction and with the right manager? Yep. I will gladly go through two more years of patience testing if it positions us to be a successful club for the next 20 years. The owners and manager can not change what has happened in the past, only learn from it, which they are showing, and look forward, which they are doing.

Andy K


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:12:36
Time to take Reina out of the firing line, is confidence is shot to pieces. Maybe we wouldn't fanny about with it as much at the back either which wouldn't be bad thing in my opinion. I don't believe he's become bad keeper, no way. Maybe a bit of complacency and lack of any competition whatsoever has led to this blip that ain't getting any better. Give him a break, left in regain his hunger and hopefully we can get the Pepe of old back. The result today wasn't great but have a little patience. It'll come folks, just gotta keeps the faith because their will be a blip or two in order to achive our ultimate goal of winning football matches in a stylish manner every week.
Jonson


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:11:47
if owen does come bk dont start booing him for playing at man u he did want to come to us first but the last board said no to him
even if he can only play ever other game at least it gives us a option we defo need and also he could help with the development of the younger players


Once a Manc, always a Manc!


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:11:47
arsenal poor and thats very worrying for us and rest of season


Arsenal poor?..like really? when did that happen?, I know they lost R.V.P. but I would never describe them as poor.


Bazingaa


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:10:58
Heskey's a free agent?


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:10:13
Weve been badly run since David Moores and parry era. Ran like a corner shop.Remember no new shirts in club shop after 2005 epic win? Aint Rodgers fault though we need more midfield steel, its FSG's. They misled us.We where told we were getting a striker if we offloaded-???.We were stung with Carroll and now we keep making a point. were cutting off nose to spite face.Alledgedly we refused to pay an extra 500,000k for dempsey-ridiculous! now the rumour is Ian Ayre cocked up and his jobs under pressure. rumour is a lot of window failures his fault. Seemingly gave up with 2hours of window left. Now thats probably bull. however weve been in state since robinson and parry left. Gerrards past best, Reina's head and heart seems elsewhere. Were young, and lightweight particularily in midfield. We need a new strong imposing Souness type.Fenway gone silent on New or improved Stadia. They've set Champs leauge as agenda. Poor Rodgers has no chance. Hes got one hand behind his back. We as fans were flat because we believed we were getting a much needed striker. we werent good enough in that area last season and how on earth can we be better with just two strikers.one very inexperinced? We need to be told exactly a.why no striker when a lot of main and fringe gone.Even a lambert-cheap! b.why you got rid when were short and no one lined up c.Whats going on with stadia d.Is Fenways first worry Redsox,Indy 500 or us? e.Where we really in for any of rumoured players in window or being fed s ite? becuse as H and G found if they are trying to kid the custodians of Greatest saaet in world=us fans-woe betide them! We are in trouble-no doubt, and gona be worrying times ahead partly because of inaction this window.How are you gona keep Suarez and any other quality players happy moreover attract new stars with inept on field players/performances. But more importantly off field fiascos. We ARE a laughing stock! David Dein or his ilk shouldve been brought in. Ayre a commercial man.And Yanks either be more hands on or get investors who are! You can kid someve the people someve the time.......(partic young armchairs on here) but not us sesoned attendees at game! ANSWERS FENWAY_NOW! Cant all be Hodgson,Kennys, Rodgers fault-all great clubs are well run TOP DOWN_ We aint been for years and looks like still aint


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:59:50
Hi eds I was wondering why the hell do we play borini on the right and suarez in the centre surely it would make more sense the other way around especially as he's ment to be a goal scorer


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:09:18
Been a fan for 30 years now and think its time to throw in the hat, Riera was right about the sinking ship. It's hard to follow a team that consistently fails to live up to the stature it deserves.

Why give the club to Rodgers? He's a British version of Wenger, style but no result. People can bitch about benetiz, but he had fergie sweating and got done over by those those people for not bankrolling villa and Silva.

We've been rebuilding for twenty years now, when the hell are we going to actually stop building and actually regain our rightful place?!

If people want to slag me off, sorry guys but I'm surrounded my mancs and gooner mates and have been talking about next season for 20 years now, I think ill give up and start watching something that doesn't cause me heartache anymore! rubbish, we could've got ladrup, at least he could have got us a few wins!

Anyway, appreciate the work the eds and Macca do on here, people who blast them on here need a slap! Sorry for the whinge, but if I don't do it on here, I got nowhere else to go...and yes, ill be watching the next match regardless of the result, but needed to get it off my chest!


Agree with most if your comments except the bit about Rodgers? Give the guy a break.. He has been let down by the owners.. The players he had brought in are not to blame? .. Allen our best player at the moment... We just can't compete due to lack of funds, past regimes and tank owners.

Aldos tash


Understand your pain mate. We all feeling it at the moment. We would of been last season though if we didnt have kenny. Any other manager and we would of been as depressed as we are now!

I don't think we have a rightful place to be honest? think that got to be earnt and the sooner the players realise that the better. I actually think BR will have the guts to make the needed changes. Its time to let go of gerrard and carragher and reina who have carried our club for so long and take the pressure off them and spread it through out the team. Allen is already helping and so is Sterling and I can see the potential in Shelvey and Sahin. This will help just give BR the support. The style is not the problem it's what makes Barca and Real Madrid the teams they are. Atheltico Madrid played like this on Friday and thrashed Chelsea 4-1 . It's just a new style that will take weeks of training. Maybe if he was appointed sooner he would of had a little more time to get his plans together.

YNWA

Jordan


Friend, this post is not a whinge, but reality.
I think quite a few need to get a head around this.
Everything you have said is correct.

Unless we get Rafa or someone similar.

In not few matches from now, you will be very quiet.

Red future.

{Ed016's Note - I just don't agree on the Rodgers part. He is a great manager for us. The only thing everyone is concentrated on is the fact we didn't pick up a striker at the end of the window. Wasn't his fault. We had a tough start to the season, a short preseason. The team hasn't had time to gel. Understand it's a process we are going through. It takes time. Just support and don't get too down when we lose. Arsenal had a terrible start last year and look where they finished!!}


BANG on well said realist


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:09:02
Todays defeat was fair they played better we where sloppy we just need that killer touch well done to Shelvy really have it 100% should of started the match so should of boroini Stirling should of come on at half time and mixed thinks up good lad tho will be brilliant if he puts on a few pounds well done to BR for keeping his chin up.... Hopefully we will get someone on a free to help that way we can catch man u up and get our 19th title c'mon reds love ya please post this eds


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:06:52
Sometime back it was said that someone else from the middle-east was looking to buy the club, was there any truth in it?


Fingers crossed


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:04:37
I am absolutely disgusted with some of the comments about gerrard. He has carried the club since the late houiler days and deserves better respect from the fans especially the loyalty he has shown after being chased by the likes of mourinho.


It is wrong to be so disrespectful to Gerrard...

however, it may be time to play him less minutes or give him games off...perhaps used as an impact sub? he is no longer as great as he was...


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:03:46
it kills me to say it but i think for once the blue people are actually gonna make us pay this season and its going to be a killer.
we should of tried signing moyes instead of rodgers. not that i think he's at fault i just think moyes is more astute when it comes to getting players in..ynwa

paulfc


So true mate


I dont think he would do it


 

 

02 Sep 2012 23:00:27
Hi Eds and Reds

People are always saying give Rodgers a chance, he will come good, judge him after the season, etc... What would people say if Steven Gerard had to come out and say he does not feel the manager is good enough? Remember Stevie did something similar before to Hodgeson and Rafa. Would love to hear everyones opinion, including Eds.

Cape Town Red


He simply won't with BR! I think BR would have the guts to put him in his place and get him out of the club for it.

To be honest two out of the three games gerrards mistakes have cost us a goal. He needs to look at himself before blaming others. Just like fans do before they start sending death threats to our owners who by the way saved us from administration!

Jordan


But who would people side with because 'real fans' say Stevie carried the team for 10+ years he deserves respect and 'real fans' say back our manager


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:58:57
any1 else startin to feel like your support is startin to turn in to a bit of a love/hate thing?
love
liverpool

hate fenway sap owner, broken promises, no passion, wage collectors, ian ayre

somethings needs to change


You need to change! It's quite simple and more realistic!

Be positive. We have seen a good style of football. We should of beat Man City and on another day we would have. I think if the club wasn't feeling so depressed after friday we would of put a better fight in against arsenal. Every player looked fustrated and like there trying to hard when they get in the box.

Jordan


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:57:54
Hello Eds and fellow reds,
Is Lucas Barrios available on a free? Heard he wants to leave his current club and join an English team.
If not, could Florent Sinama Pongolle make a return?
We need to look at free agents and these seem like the best options. {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:51:40
i think we may have to get owen and klasnic in on a pay as you play contract to to tied us over till jan or our youngsters get more use to the riggers of first team football


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:51:21
Hi eds, and Macca - thanks for all the info, much better than all other sites at giving us accurate info.
In light of what now appears to be bizarre behaviour by the club, Id love to ask the eds and Macca what previous confidence in FSG is based on? We all expected a big transfer window yet were left with a perplexing mess. Struggled to score goals so we let our only out and out striker go on loan bringing no replacement in.
With 25m saved on wages, multi million sponsorship deals but seemingly not enough money to bring a loan in, how do we know FSG are not asset stripping?

Paul, worried season ticket holder. {Ed002's Note - I am afraid that your question is simply not worthy of an answer.}


It is worthy of an answer Ed=off Fenway! Its exactly what we want/need/entitled to


FSG have spent an additional 100m into the club after buying it not asset-stripping personally i love the owners they took over got rid of lots of fringe players on big contracts backed KK with money and investment thats whats reli costing us in my opinion when we spent 75m or whatvea it was it went to waste 35m carroll we will make a huge loss adam make a loss downing make a loss these players do not have a high re-sale value and again have high wages would love to know whow much the new guys are on i bet borini asaidi and allen are all on below 50k dont blame the owners if they hadnt backed the manager we be annoyed like we are now I blame KK and Commoli for wasting our investment on expensive average players sound familiar


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:50:58
I can see why away fans chant 'where's your famous atmosphere'?

Anfield isn't the cauldron of noise it used to be and I believe it's having a negative effect on the players.

Win or lose we sing 'you'll never walk alone' two minutes before the end of a match. Where was it today?

I remember a time when the fans could inspire the red men like no other fans could. It was what made us unique.

Oh how times have changed. Let's get the good times back, let's make Anfield a fortress again. Let's sing our team back to the top of the league where they belong!

We are all in this together. The players respond to us and we respond to the players.

And finally, let's get off Steve Gerrards back. He has always been and still is a fantastic servant for Liverpool FC.


They sing it when we're 2 up or 2 down, mostly when it doesn't matter (occasionally when the team are just so bad they know it rattles us), for the most part Anfield still plays it's part, but as the great man used to direct us, "shut them up up with great football", that happens once in a while too.


I agree Stevie been great but there comes a time to move on and realise he just cant do it any more like he used. His body can't take it week in week out to carry our team. Chelsea have moved on from lampard days and Man U starting to from there older players.

We need to too. That's just common sens Gerrard can't play till his 80!!

Jordan {Ed016's Note - A couple bad games.. oh my did we not see him during the Summer? It's a new team again. Saurez control today made him look worse than he was.}


Ed016 wasn't meant to touch a nerve. I love gerrard to bits. He is a legend. I agree suarez touch today was terrible but he has the ability if he can get the consintency he had at ajax. I was simply making the point that we shouldn't be building our new style of team around Gerrard as unfortunately for us he is 32 now. Someone else has to start to step up. Suarez is only 25 still. I think it is more logical to build the team around him. And to be fair to suarez he has played 4 competitive games (WBA,Hearts,City,Arsenal) and scored 2 goals this season! If he carries on 1 in 2 he will hit 20 goals this season.


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:50:47
just been told owen's people have been told the club want to open talks to get him in before sunderland match. Source is not close to the club, but is close to WMG (they represent michael apparently)


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:49:52
Macca are we looking at any free signings or is this it till at least january?


He is just a bluffer


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:49:36
Just to lighten the mood, does anybody else think Stuart pierce looks a complete tw#t in the go compare ad?? Horrible individual

Stokiescouse


It half lightens the mood that he's a tw*t, it pisses me off he could'nt aim like that in a semi final, or pick Becks after all he did for the Olympic movement, a bitter sweet momment overall


Brand becks blah blah, sure he'll struggle by


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:49:31
Just read pongolle gudjohnsen tuncay Carew xisco klasnic del piero kewell are all available. Would u sign any of em? Any interest in any of them?


 

 

02 Sep 2012 22:48:58
Guys...

The simple fact is.....we are a very easy side to score against or create CLEAR cut chances!

Under hodgson, dalglish and rogers

Only benitez made lfc hard to beat, concede less, and very structured and compact even when he rotated!

So I prefer rogers to start keeping it tight at the back first cos playing johnson an enrique so far away from the centre backs causes so many counter attacks by opposition.

I think the misery of losing is going to continue until that area gets sorted out

Red lobster


 

 

 
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