Liverpool Banter Archive September 03 2013

03 Sep 2013 23:12:46
Alex Ferguson to tell him utd will be knocked of their f@@@@@n perch this season

Our perch my friend ;)

The united team dry their hair with soft fluffy towels these days

03 Sep 2013 19:55:32
Ed's, thanks for keeping us all on the edge of our seats this past couple of months, great work and a site that just keeps getting better.

Does anyone know if the Victor Moses loan deal has the option to be made permanent?
Thanks again.

S

According to ed002, no.

Allow me EDs, RTFP!

03 Sep 2013 22:18:16
All the highs of the last few weeks have been tempered by the news of the injury to Glen Johnson- he was awesome against Manchester United and we may miss him in the next few games. Apparently recovery from this type of injury takes longer than normal ankle sprains and I hope it does of require surgery.
Time for the others to step up to the plate.

Maybe sakho or ilori can step in here. I think sakho is left footed but sometimes no bad thing as rafa proved. you can stop the player cutting in on his good foot easier

Wisdom or Ilori

03 Sep 2013 21:42:12
Hi ed's and everyone.

I wish we had kept hold of Borini and not went for Aspas. I believe Borini will prove to be more clinical in front of goal, over time. Aspas comes across as a hard worker but he doesn't seem to show a predators' instincts as yet. Time will answer this question but I hope Borini comes back to prove he's worth. Thanks guys.

Aspas looks like the type of player who 'makes his own luck'. He is always on the move, and has, as Gerrard said 'that little bit of devil in him', always making a nuisance of himself. I think he is a great buy. Saying that, I quite like Borini, but he really needs games - maybe I would have loaned him till Christmas if I was the boss, but I'm not, so hay-ho.

My god, you're so consistently negative.

Be interesting if we had a recall option on him

personally I thought he was getting better. but I guess he will get even better with more games.
and clearly he's not going to get many here at this moment in time

although as the notts county game proved that this might be a bruising season. it would be nice to think sturridge and suarez will stay fit all season but if they aren't then hopefully we can get him back somehow

Aspas was brilliant against utd. Why do you think Carrick was ineffective?12 and 7 in 34 last year in La Liga. Not too shabby. He'll adapt. Fans need to give these guys a chance. He assisted Sturridge against Stoke didn't he?
I find it hard to see how anything negative can be directed at Aspas at this stage. Always this need for instant gratification. Its so draining.

Consistently negative you say? What's wrong with having a preference from one player to another? It's called being honest and having a down to earth opinion. Some players fill you fill excitement, even talking about them and some don't. Just the truth.

Yes. You've been unhappy about pretty much everyone thats' arrived at the club, and now those that have left too.

Borini has never performed at the top level, Aspas has.

If you've been rubbing lamps, what a waste of a wish.

03 Sep 2013 20:27:24
It's funny that we say there's no place for sentiment in football, with people saying that we should consider dropping Agger and play Sakho. But at the same time we curse the Suarez' and the Owen's for essentially dropping us in favour of bigger clubs. Especially given Agger's love and loyalty over the year's I feel that unless he is absolutely diabolical, giving away points left, right and centre he should play bar none. {Ed001's Note - anyway, we have 3 clean sheets in the league with him playing, I think he deserves to keep his place so long as he keeps playing well.}

An excellent point. I was chatting about this the other day. Instead I used Carragher as the example last year due to him finding it hard to make the team during KK's reign and the first part of the season.
Should our club have been loyal to a player who has shown great loyalty to us despite the fact he was out of form?
For me the answer is of course not. End of the day it is about what is best for the club and what will help the club win more matches. What do you think

If it ain`t broke, don`t fix it!

I think eventually Agger will lose his place to Sakho, yes we've kept a few clean sheets but that doesn't mean the opposition didn't get through. Agger is very good, don't get me wrong but there is a reason why everyone has been raving about Toure, I believe he's shown the other two up he's that good and if Sakho is anywhere near as good as I've heard then he hasn't come to sit on the bench and we're not going to drop our best defender.

I think what posters were implying was, he shouldn't be picked just because he's vc. Which is right.

I agree calmdown.
carragher was a perfect example of thinking about the team before himself.

although I can't help thinking he agreed to his sky job before he regained his place in the team. I reckon he would have stayed another year if he hadnt lost it. I'd love to see him back at the club in a coaching capacity in the next year or so

The post, and poster in question is me. i'm sorry but to the OP you're wrong and you're missing the point. There isn't a place for sentiment in football, end off. Agger has been doing well and we have 3 clean sheets. That could all be different however, it were agger who gave away the pen to stoke, and he also let van persie in 1 on 1 toward the end of the game. He has been great, yet prone to mistakes. If sakho comes in and does better, then he should be replaced. players should be played on form, not just because they have a lfc tattoo or is vice captain. get me?

What about because they turned down offers from CL clubs to stay and help us get to where we are going? I agree that if his mistakes start costing us then he should be dropped, but how two-faced fans can be when the window is closed is beyond me.

Though financially I can see FSG eventually wanting to move Skrtle, Agger and Johnson on as they apart from Gerrard and maybe Lucas are on the High salaries of the Benitez era . Unless Agger signs a new contract with a smaller basic and higher performance bonus.
Its the way FSG want to handle all contracted players and its a good incentive to get the best value for money.
I see wisdom going on Loan in January and returning as CB cover in the summer
BR going after an established RB next Summer and Johnson being moved on.
Skrtel will leave by next summer and Ilori will be Toure's understudy whilst also covering RB, kelly has lost that pace and will have to work hard to challenge for a place. Enrique will also be moved on, and cisokho will make that position his own with flanaghan/sakho/illori all covering that position.
Once Toure retires in about 3 seasons time, we'd have a new RB, the CB's would be illori and Sakho, and CIssokho will be LB. Wisdom, FLanaghan, Robinson, Will be the cover, and a new young CB will be signed as Sakho's understudy.

I am a great believer in staying with a team if you re winning.
Agger did give away a penalty but it was saved and if he learns not to throw your arms about in the box whilst not hurting LFC then that's fine by me.
Basically, what I am trying to say is that all players make mistakes but I only think a player should be dropped if those mistakes impact the result and in Agger's case they did not.

03 Sep 2013 19:45:51
Macca,

Was just wondering what your thoughts are on Liverpool's summer business?

03 Sep 2013 18:53:58
Hey eds, thanks for another successful summer where you provided rational information, and kept us fans firmly on the ground! Looking forward to banter discussions after Liverpool wins, and ed01's football feedback! {Ed001's Note - thank you mate, let's hope there are a lot of those wins!!!}

03 Sep 2013 19:18:16
I would like to say a massive thank you to Mr J Henry and the owners of LFC for a great transfer window I know Willian got away was not that bothered to be honest really pleased in our signings. To all you people who slated Mr Henry and co how stupid do you feel now? And don't come on and say ye but they never got Lionel or Ronaldo we were not in the market to buy massive fee players we were in there to find gems to polish up and didn't we just do that . Brendan has done a fantastic job to date he knows what he wants and who he wants big thank you to Brendan Mr Henry Mr Warner and all concerned at the greatest club in the world

Great post! I think we did very well this window. Ah well I'm off to look at the league table again.

I`m pretty sure some of those fans are not lfc fans. Now if they all re, then I have some clorox wipes so they can wipe the rotten eggs off their faces. LOL.

03 Sep 2013 22:27:55
Johnson won't be available for Swansea. I have had a high anklestrain, at least 5 weeks. If he plays it will get much worse and we might loose him for 4 months. Its not a footy manager game.

And The Guv, are you for real? Hehe, playing Sakho the left footed giant who actually never played a game at right back? Funny guy:)

Tiago Ilori is a very good prospect but you just can't through him in so inexperienced as he is in a position he is totally unfamiliar & uncomfortable with away against Swansea mate.

Wisdom or Toure.

03 Sep 2013 18:38:48
Guys is Ozil better than Suarez?
Or are Arsenal fans deluded? (I do believe however Arsenal's midfield is so much better.)

03 Sep 2013 21:37:25
In my humble opinion Ozil is an absolute world-class player but he and Suarez are 2 completely different players.

Suarez is a 20+ goals a season player.
Ozil is a 20+ assists a season player.

In all honesty though Ozil is not as frustrating as Luis, but on his day Luis Suarez is a top 5 in the world player.

And btw I completely disagree about their midfield. If you count Cazorla & Ozil as midfielders so is Countinho and Alberto.
They also have the likes of Diaby, Frimpong.

Wilshere, extremely overhyped since a wonderful breakthrough due to the fact he is made of glass. Constant injuries has taken away much of his pace.

Come on, Ramsey is their best midfielder right now. That says it all!

Arsenal have so many holes that Ozil`s transfer CANNOT overcome.

Interesting point and I'm sure if you posted it on the Arsenal page most of them would try and convince themselves that Ozil is a better signing that Luis would have been but in my opinion:

- Suarez would get into every first 11 in the world - Ozil wouldn't
- Suarez has done the business in a team that finished 7th in the PL - Ozil played for a team that always finished top 2 in Spain and compete for latter stages of CL yet they sold him
- Real wanted Suarez - they didn't want Ozil
- Arsenal wanted Suarez as their top transfer target not Ozil

They are different players but Suarez is different class.

I'll tell you one better my brother is trying to convince me that Konschielny (spelling) is better than Agger and Giroud better than Sturridge

04 Sep 2013 00:21:12
Pace is one important element in the BR style of play as is ability to play the ball from defence which I have no doubt Agger is better than Toure at that, I do not know about Sakhos ability in that department so will not comment.
Also I don't think Agger is particularly slow and Toure is particularly fast, in fact I would say Agger is probably quicker first couple of yards but maybe Toure is over a run. I think Toure has started really well for us but my choice would be Agger. Just my opinion, and that's what it is all about I suppose.
Alanhuyton

03 Sep 2013 18:11:04
Eds what do you think will happen now with got 6 cbs {Ed001's Note - some will play, some won't.}

Which one's do you believe will play the most Ed001? Surely it must be Agger and Sakho {Ed001's Note - or Sakho and Toure? They are the most suited to our style of play.}

Some will leave? {Ed001's Note - probably not until January now though.}

Ed001
I think it would take a brave decision to drop Agger. Rodgers has been singing he's praises all summer, hence his promotion to vice captaincy. {Ed001's Note - I agree, but if his form dips it will happen.}

03 Sep 2013 17:51:32
See momo was released by PSG and linked to reading? Has he really gone downhill that much? I used to love him and after all he was part of the greatest midfield in the world. Did that eye injury effect his career that much?

I loved him and was a great player for Liverpool even though I see a lot of stick directed at him.

His knee's seem to be giving him massive trouble and PSG being stacked with class players have no need of him.

Hopefully Reading go Up so we can see him playing PL again.

Ska-oop

I always saw him as a bit of a head-less chicken. In the nicest way possible but bless him for his efforts. Heard he's talking to Reading but he could probably do a bit better than that.

C'mon, he was never a 'great' player for Liverpool. He could get about but he gave away so many needless fouls and his distribution was awful.

03 Sep 2013 17:40:35
I think Liverpool have had a very good transfer window. over shadowed by Mesut Ozil of course, but all things considered genuine quality has been added to the team and squad!
Well done the reds!

Liverpool have had a very good transfer window. A transfer window in which we made several very good signings and also managed to keep Luiz, who was Arsenal's first choice. I believe the fact that we are keeping Suarez overshadows the Ozil transfer. Well done indeed.

And you know that how exactly? LOL of a post, really. If you think Ozil`s transfer overshadowed our all our transfers then God help you, bro.

I think Suarez staying over shadows Ozil.

03 Sep 2013 17:25:32
As the transfer window has shut last year I did a last supper and asked fellow reds and the Ed's to pick 6 people to have a meal with and it can be anyone and we got some funny ones so would love to read some new ones, my 6 would be Bill shankly, sheldon cooper from the big bang theory, Keith lemon, army/airforce chief in charge at Roswell in the 1940's hey I'm into conspiracies, Elvis and last but not least John Lennon, hey it's a mixed group but I would have a load of laughs and debates, cheers

{Ed002's Note - I would have the obvious guests: Vito Paulekas, Bobby Seale, Lenny Bruce, Nico Paffgen, Oscar Zeta Acosta and Alice B Toklas}

03 Sep 2013 18:09:10
Shankly and 5 others

Great subject, I'd go for (I'm going to leave Liverpool players/managers out of this)
Sir Steve Redgrave
Ronnie Barker
James Woods
Stephen Fry
Ed001
Ed002

(The Ed selections are not an attempt at crawling, I'd genuinely like to meet them to discuss life, love, Liverpool and rodeos) {Ed001's Note - Ed002's knowledge of rodeos does verge on the encyclopedic!}

Nice group - especially Nico. I'd be inclined to go for Malcolm X, Pope Pius XII, Bill Hicks, Joe Walsh, Christopher Isherwood, and Ethel Rosenberg.

Eric Morcambe to see of he is as funny in real life. Big Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams, again for more comedy value. My late Grandad because it would be nice to see him again and God. Just to ask him where it all went wrong. {Ed001's Note - I would go with my grandad as well Irish, because he is the person I looked up to most in life. Plus Ken Dodd, one because they were good friends and two because he is the funniest person I have ever known, though it would have to start early as once he gets going he never stops! Shanks would be a definite, as would Paisley, Moran and Roy Evans. Those 4 could teach you everything you ever needed to know about football, and they would barely scratch the surface of their knowledge doing so.}

I would have to go with ozzy osbourne ill say bob paisley instead of shanks tom green john belushi steve buscemi kelly brook

Stephen Fry, Hunter S. Thompson, Michael Kane, George R. Martin, Tom Waits and Adam Duritz (of Counting Crows fame). that's my 6.

03 Sep 2013 19:41:45
Steven Gerrard, Dynamo, Harrison Ford, Danny from the Script, Martin Luther King and John Bishop.

YNWAdam {Ed001's Note - you wouldn't want Harrison Ford, the guy is a tool. My grandad won a holiday to Acapulco years ago, with a stay in a 5* hotel there. Harrison Ford stayed in the same hotel and was sat with my grandparents when they were having a meal. He was asking my grandad about what he did, was in the oil business etc, because he must have some money to afford to stay there. When me grandad said no to all the possible lines of business Ford can think of, he asked him how he could afford to stay in the hotel and me grandad told him how he had won a holiday from a Pot Noodle. Ford got up from the table and never spoke to them again the entire time they were there.}

Frank Zappa, Philip K Dick, Friedrich Nietzsche, Nikola Tesla & Richard Pryor {Ed001's Note - Tesla is a great shout, would love to meet him.}

My six would be Keith Moon, Bill Hicks, Keith Richards, Richard Harris, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore.
Followed up by meeting Oliver Reed down the pub for an evening of Wimbledon 8(google it!).

Eva longoria, Jennifer aniston, Megan fox, Cindy. Crawford (from 10 years ago) and Eva mendes. Then after dinner and a few bottles of wine once the chattin dries up we shall play twister.

03 Sep 2013 21:44:34
Shocked by that Ed001. I always thought he was a genuinely nice guy. More fool me, what a ****. Swap Ford with Ross Kemp then haha!

YNWAdam {Ed001's Note - I was gutted being a bit Star Wars fan as a kid, I was so deflated by that.}

Hm- bit of a random list, but I'd go with Alan Turing, Albert Einstein, Mark Twain, John Oliver, Nikola Tesla, and John Lennon.

Plato, aristotle, socrates, euripides, aristophanes and for the cool factor jimmy page! What a conversation that would be eh?

Ian the red

Kolo Toure, Roger Federer, Peter Kay, Quentin Tarantino, Peter Dinklage and C.S.Lewis

No pot noodle on the millennium falcon then?

Sir Bobby Robson, Sir Ranulph Fiennes, Oliver Reed, Che Guevara, Lord Mountbatten, my Dad

Surely Harrison, like most of us, would have enjoyed a pot noodle and a w**k? Really surprised by that anecdote ED001. {Ed001's Note - do they have Pot Noodles in the US? Maybe they haven't quite attained that level of culture yet!}

For me, John Lennon, Edith Piaf, Eric Morecambe, Dave Allen, Bill Shankly and Oscar Wilde.

Larry David, Danny McBride, Mike tyson, Stephen Payne, Stephen Payne's welsh mate, Hugh Hefner.

For me I'd have to go for derren brown (say what you want seen him live and he is a genius), F. Scott Fitzgerald (fav author), Tesla (eccentric genius), Winston Churchill (one of the most important britains ever, during an important time), and Augastas Caesar (amazingly interesting life and time).

04 Sep 2013 08:22:06
Shankley, Paisley, the Vinci, Einstein, Sokrates.

Football, science, art and philosophy.

03 Sep 2013 16:59:05
Hi Eds, thanks for all your work over the last few crazy weeks. It seems that made a last minute attempt to sign 29 year old creative mid-fielder Wesley Sneijder, for £7M from Galatasaray. I therefore find it odd that we didn't bid for 21 year old creative mid-fielder Eriksen, who we tracked for months and who eventually signed to Spurs for £12M. Why didn't we bid for him? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - There was no bid for Sneijder and I have spent the summer explaining the situation about Eriksen.}

There seems to have been a bid BUT from the maancs and he said no AGAIN. If Fergie couldn`t sign him then Gollum had no chance from the get go.

03 Sep 2013 16:52:51
Hi ED I think every Liverpool fan should out there hands together for all the ED's that have done a wonderful job answering questions and keep us updated with the in's and out's of our great Club Liverpool. Thanks again and keep up the great work . Bravesun

03 Sep 2013 16:08:58
Alright Eds. Good work over the past few weeks.

In the spirit of Shankly, the summer window is all done and firmly in the past.so what's the agenda for the Jan window?!

Any rumours to get us started with!

03 Sep 2013 15:32:19
Hello fellow kopites,
Really happy with all our signings and especially OUT's. Of course would have loved a top notch player in but no issues there is always Jan window. But just a hypothetical question.
If Chelsea were interested in loaning Lukaku do you reckon we should have taken him in?
Would have loved him in attack alongwith Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho. Also watching Everton uptill now, I was 100% convinced they would not even finish top 10 with Jelavic and Kone but feel Lukaku can drag them to atleast 10th. {Ed002's Note - Moses is already on loan from Chelsea so only a loan-to-buy would be allowed and that was not an option.}

Our bench is much nicer than the Chelsea bench but I doubt Jose would let him join us.

03 Sep 2013 14:53:58
Deja Vu for Moyes.

03 Sep 2013 13:42:58
hi eds,

thanks for all of your tireless work over the summer. I was wondering if one of you would offer your opinion on our summer transfer dealings, happy?

Solid, not spectacular. At the beginning of the summer, Rodgers stated that he wanted to add more goals to the side. I don't believe he's fully accomplished that with the signing of Moses but time will tell. {Ed001's Note - surely Aspas will help with that though?}

03 Sep 2013 13:21:52
Eds, what windows are open? {Ed002's Note - I don't understand the question. Sorry.}

My bedroom.

My office one is.

Ur gfs bedroom window, my quickest escape route u see.

He means what countries transfer windows are open {Ed002's Note - None are open.}

Think he means what countries still have an open transfer window

Everest?
BOGOF?

I have Windows 7 open

03 Sep 2013 13:42:09
Thought you guys might like this:

Actor James Corden may be a West Ham supporter but the Londoner admitted he cannot wait to come back to Anfield after watching Liverpool defeat champions Manchester United on Sunday:

'I loved it so much. I've never been before. If I didn't support a team and I came to this game, this atmosphere and this ground, I'd be a Liverpool fan. I've never really heard support like it. It was amazing - it was overwhelming to see such an incredible atmosphere. It was brilliant.'

Thanks to James for those kind words.

And thanks to Big Sam too - Cole (31), Carroll (24) & Downing (29) for not much less than Sturridge (24), Coutinho (21) & Aspas (26).

Nice guy. great actor
excellent taste in football!

to return the compliment I've been to the west ham ground a few times and they have a cracking atmosphere there aswell and an appreciation of good football that you wouldn't see at some clubs (not as good as ours though)

03 Sep 2013 13:32:01
Would you happen to know the terms of Moses's loan? Can he play against Chelsea, for example? {Ed008's Note - Season long Loan and he can't play against Chelsea.

Cheers, 008.

Any option to buy at the end of the loan period do we know eds? {Ed002's Note - Not in the contract, no.}

I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just hope Borini shows good form and comes back to fight for his place in the team. I would have in fact kept hold of him.

03 Sep 2013 13:10:38
Hi Eds, hearing that the past couple of weeks have all been a dream.
Can you confirm?

Yes this is just like bobby ewing's dream in dallas. sorry showing my age here!

03 Sep 2013 12:49:08
Hey Eds not a question you guys but to all the people who wanted a defensive midfielder in the transfer window? Would you take back Mohamed Sissoko, as he has just been released from PSG?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - I should caveat this with the rules and regulations of the game that you might wish to read first.}

Much obliged. I didn't read your reply to a similar post before posting. But hypertheortically, if no club takes him before january, would you guys like to see him back?
Trying to evoke a discussion in the forum. Haha

03 Sep 2013 12:57:46
Anyone else think that Kelly is going to have a tough time trying to get into the team again?

He's done a great job at right back when fit but he does seem a little large to be the long term vision for that position. I would think that we will strengthen RB in the future windows also. I think a loan will help when he gets fully fit but it looks like we have our CB's covered for years now - I can see him eventually sold to be honest. Shame because he's a good player.

I see him battling Johnson for a right back spot, with Wisdom likely to go on loan to the Championship in a week or so. As long as he trains and plays well then he has as much chance of being first choice right back as Johnson.

03 Sep 2013 12:24:22
the best part of this season so far is that we have maximum points having not dominated either of the 3 games we've won. this is what man u did for years and won enough off the back of it. no matter how well we keep the ball or who plays for us its nice to see us grind out results for a change. sign of a good team!

As Brendan so rightly says, the only that stat that matters is whether you win. I'm fed up having to contrive reasons to be cheerful off pass completion, chances created and possession stats. Find a way to win even when half your time are below par. Against Villa and Manchester United we didn't let them counter-attack. Two banks of four and try and get round us. In a combined 90 mins we had two dangerous efforts for Migs to save. There'll be lots of games this season when we score early and score 4 or 5. Those games aren't the problem. It's turning narrow defeats into draws and draws into narrow wins that will dictate whether we can finish top 4 (or possibly higher). I did say 3rd or 4th in my post a week or so back!

And that is how we won all the titles and trophies years ago. Finally people get it.

Last season, we were crushng teams w/ chance and possession and would still lose. Now we are mentlly stronger and difficult to break down and we`re WINNING so I`m not complaining and I advise future moaners to keep their bitching and whining to themselves. YNWA!

03 Sep 2013 11:48:38
As good as our transfer window was it has also set us up for the future.
Pepe Reina, Martin Skrtel, Luis Suarez, Sebastian Coates and Oussama Assaidi are still Liverpool players.
We have such depth now that they are no longer essential to our squad and can be sold on.
Which means their departures in the future will help fund the improvement of our squad when they are sold.

When people have patience instead of losing their temper at the tiniest little thing, they can see the bigger picture.

Last year, I remember a lot of post's sayin Champions Leauge 2/3/4 years away at the very least, a big rebuild is needed, a lot of time is needed, but at the same time, there was about the same amount of FSG/Rodgers out posts. 12 months down the line, FSG's policy is slowly beginnin to flourish under a manager who believes in the same/similar philosophy and the ability to be able to input his own style and belief's of how football should be played. It's all coming together slowly and it is begginin to prove itself and pay dividends.

Let's be honest, 12 months ago, although some where asking for it, do many people believe would have let someone like Pepe leave Anfield, even with his recent performances? And at the same time, we are now talking about reaching Champions League this year.

This is simple proof people should believe in the manager and the owners, believe they are doing what's right and what's best for Liverpool Football Club. You continuously hear Brendan comment on how Liverpool fan's feel about the club, he know's it, he feel's it and he know's we deserve it.

Chuffed with the level of depth. In the past, we`ve beenessentially a one or two-man team at best. Now, we are a well-oiled machine. AWESOME!

03 Sep 2013 11:31:36
Hi Eds

Do you see Luis Suarez going in January?

HAHA!!

Sorry Ed's could'nt help myself, great off season for LFC and amazing start to the Season.

Thanks for all the info

Why would he leave in January when his best mate Cavani is nailed on as our marquee signing? Cavanis recent negative comments were a smokescreen of course

03 Sep 2013 11:29:26
We have 6 CBs (Coates, Skrtel, Agger, Toure, Sakho, Ilori), do you think one of them will be converted to DM?

Thanks {Ed002's Note - Wisdom and Kelly to be released from their contracts then?}

Kelly is recovering his confidence (slowly) after a serious injury and Wisdom was earmarked for a loan before Johnson's injury. Skrtel was available for sale, as was Coates. My simple powers of deduction suggest Rodgers sees Sakho pushing both Toure & Agger to start, Skrtel providing experienced back-up with Ilori being eased in slowly and possibly loaned in January if Skrtel stays and the young fella isn't getting too many games.

03 Sep 2013 10:56:57
It's finally over eds, bet you're relieved! ;)

Haha cheers for all the work you've done over the window yet again, fantastic :)

03 Sep 2013 10:52:54
Someone's got to ask. Any chance of seeing another player? Paperwork may have only just been processed! The FA may have only seen the paperwork we sent during the day at 3 in the morning, due to all the smokescreens that were in the way. Or maybe it was rival club impostors that took all the paper out the fax machine. I mean, who would have impostors pretending to be club representatives? Herrerious

03 Sep 2013 10:49:14
I think that those who wanted Suarez to stay owe Carlo ancelotti a thanks. It was his insistence that he didn't want Suarez which made Madrid reticent to up their offer as they didn't want a 50m asset sitting on the bench. Before Carlo was installed I was told Madrid would be very willing to meet whatever price we wanted for Suarez, which they expected to be 45m at the time, after Carlos comments they were much less interested.

Everyone knows the president chooses the players I'm sure ancellotti wouldn't have spent £80m or so on one player either.

Carlo is unconcerned with the price but was extremely keen on bale, there was no resistance from him over that transfer. He did express concern over Suarez however which is one of the main reasons why a second bid never came.

03 Sep 2013 10:41:41
I personally see Borini"s Liverpool career is over. I don't see him returning next summer, Even if he does well, If Borini doesn't fit in redgers system, what Difference does an year make then?
He is a CF, and BR played him out wide right and that's the only reason of his failure.
I hope he plays well there and get some goals and Recoup the 11 mill we paid for him.
same can be said in Allens Case, He might fit inot BR style, But currently he is a bench player, And I don't see him starting Over current 3 Midfield players.
Thats possibly 25 mill wasted on two players.
Overall the team looks good. let's hope we get the results we looking for.

Shut up Harry you clueless fool Rogers worked with both players I personally think he bought them to fit his system let's be honest

They were both former players for Rodgers. Both successful for him too.

Allen has had injuries, but recently in preseason as well he has played well. He is not a player to set the world on fire, just a steady worker.

Borini has been unlucky, he has good movement and touch. LFC are a massive club and probably daunting for any player, but strikers are confidence players, I guess a few like yourself Harry haven't helped him to settle.

Both are our players and should have our support, I hope Borini plays well and scores loads for Sunderland. He is a player who can play in the front three, not just CF.

He played out wide a lot for Roma and managed to hit double figures. He does fit Rodgers system it's just that some fans haven't given him a chance and this affects the confidence of a young player, the loan will do him good, he can get used to Prem again without the added pressure of playing for fans who seem to think being injured for most of the year is the same as having no talent.

Before you write your ideas on here Harry perhaps you should try and read some of the official comments that come from the club and BR as you couldn't be further from the actual situation with your initial post. Next time you get an urge to overreact, take a breath and say "No!"

03 Sep 2013 13:25:47
If he can play in Front Three, what's stopping him at Liverpool?
An 18 year old Kid sterling or 17 Year old IBE or New signinf Aspas, whos playing more games than him?.
If BR rates IBE and sterling more than Borini (Since he can play anywhere in front 3), That means he is going.

Whilst I agree that Borini and Allen are Brendan's signings for his system, Borini really hasn't been successful for Rodgers at any point. I suppose that depends on your definition of successful, but his goal record for Swansea was mediocre in the Championship.

He's just not good enough to start in the Premiership. He's a striker who doesn't score. He's not going to displace Strurridge or Suarez and will soon be overtaken by Ibe.

For his own career I think he should get a move back to Serie A. He won't do anything at Sunderland.

Allen is also way down the peckin order.

With regards to Allen, I wonder what your opinion was of Henderson a year ago, or Lucas 3 years ago- Muppets.

Borini will do well at Sunderland and hime Sturridge will rotate the man up top role for years to come. Think 3 months loan would have been better than season mind.

03 Sep 2013 14:24:51
Redphil

Jesus christ. Lucas was awful in the beginig, He matured into a pretty solid player, he was bought at 5 mill to cover for Alosno. We actually never mind if he exixted or not.
Joe Allen was bought as the first teamer with a whooping 18 mill and now finds himself out of deapth. And aded to it, we might be getting will hughes. where do you honeslty think Allen would play in?

Regarding Borini. Nonsese. If we sell suarez we would buy two top class proven players. We also have Aspas in the striker role. I pray Borini does well with sunderland, and we get 11 mill from them, Simple.
Now adding all these where do you think borini is going to play.

03 Sep 2013 14:26:58
dezyBoy.
Mate why you getting hyper?. why don't u just think. which system are you talking about?. I know he had injuries, But I hardly rememebr him starting any game for us.
IBE and sterling whose much younger to Borini is starting for Liverpool

03 Sep 2013 14:28:27
I just wish We loan Allen and save his wages. He is injured half seaosn. and rest he is in the bench.Ed what's his wages?
He cannot be cover for Lucas since he isn't a DM.
If gerrard gets Injured we should push hendo to CM and Countinho to ACM
I don't know where does Allen play?

Don't agree Harry. Borini is massively rated in Italy and by Rodgers. Unfortunately for a combination of reasons it hasn't happened for him. If he gets a run of games and gets 10-15 goals this season he will return ready to make a difference for us. Allen's a good footballer but his best position is occupied by Gerrard (remember Rodgers took over and was terrified that injuries would deprive him of SG - Allen was seen as vital to ensure a key area of the team was covered). Allen's importance to the squad will become apparent as the season goes on. The fact that midfield wasnt touched (really) in the window suggests Rodgers trusts Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson & Allen. Alberto can drop in there too if its his sort of game.

03 Sep 2013 14:35:24
Mate.
When you loan someone at the end of the window, You harldy want him back. Borini was here all pre-season. and for the first 3 games. he is not going to come back.
Ed what's your view on Wisdom?. we have 4 first choice CB with us now, provided we alos have kelly who ahsnt got a game till now. {Ed001's Note - Borini is wanted, he was sent out on loan because of people like you, the same ones who constantly got on Lucas's back and never gave him a chance either. Now he has a chance to get over his injuries and find his feet away from the boo boys and come back ready to challenge for a first team place full of confidence.
Wisdom is expected to be loaned out for experience.}

Borini looks like a potentially really useful player. Quick and intelligent.

He has been snatching at chances - clearly short of confidence and trying too hard.

A good run at Sunderland may be the making of him.

All I want from the players is 100% effort. And you can see that Borini is desperate to make the grade.
I do agree with Harry though in that once you are loaned out and over the age of 21 then it basically means that you have to do something special on loan to get back in.
It's up to Borini, if he smashes in 15 goals for Sunderland then we would be silly to let him go.
I totally disagree about Allen though. Players who don't give the ball away are vital in today's game and he brings that to Liverpool.

03 Sep 2013 10:29:44
Well done to the eds not just for yesterday but for the past few months too, you guys have been great! A really productive window I think everyone likes a bit of deadline day excitement but all in all we've signed some great players I'm especially pleased with Sakho late on! Not everyone's first choice but I think Rodgers will get the best out of Moses. Hopefully no injuries for anyone on i'd and we come back strong and ready for the next game, we can only try and keep winning and see where it takes us, also let's not worry about who other teams sign keep the focus on us! C'mon Liverpool!

03 Sep 2013 10:20:43
Thanks eds for all your hard work and insight over the summer as always!

Really happy with what Liverpool have achieved over this transfer window, players who weren't living up to expectations gone, good young players brought into the squad to replace them and a couple of loans for players who have potential but need to find there feet in the prem before we decide to use them or say goodbye if the loans don't work out.

Particularly impressed with Mignolet early season and the capture of Sakho!

Just can't help but think we needed that 1 more attacker of real quality to play in a front 3 with Sturridge and Suarez, would of been the perfect summer for me then

Thanks again eds
Cheers

03 Sep 2013 10:18:03
Massive thanks to the eds for all their hard work. Brilliant site.
Also, I think it's about time some of our doubting fans realise that FSG have Liverpools best interests at heart and start supporting the " club" in the way true supporters should.
A massive thanks to FSG for an excellent transfer window and keep up the good work in returning us to the heights that we all crave.

03 Sep 2013 10:06:44
Hello everyone I'm ash its my first time posting I have been rreading this rumour site for over five years.I'm 24 yrs and from south africa the main reason for posting is I feel we all are a family we are broken hearted when Liverpool win and over the moon when we win.I feel as if all of us a big family although everyone has arguments we stick together.I will never have the oppurtunity to watch a Liverpool game at anfield because things are tough here but my love for Liverpool is beyond anything, and I wish this is our year even if I can onlu watch it on tv.
Thank eds and guys for the good times YNWA

03 Sep 2013 10:49:28
i know what your trying to say ash but i'm sure we r not boken hearted when we win.

Enjoy the season ahead Ash. I'm proud to have you as my footballing brother.

Coyler

03 Sep 2013 09:53:13
hai Ed. Mng. and great work as usual.
was awake all the night yesterday. good wnidow for Liverpool FC. some good players. a couple of top players. Only felt we could have bought one LW.
neverthelsee appreciate the Backroom staffs at the club to get the deals done.
we have relatievly good fixture till octobor end and If we find ourself in top 4 by december, we could see a new LW coming in.
Luis suarez still a Liverpool player and would be here for another 3 more good years since We would be playing CL next season.
Bale would 100% fale at real. and could see a tussle leaving ronaldo out pretty soon. With ozil moving out and Only Isco as their No.10, They would struggle on pithc. But As usual would do well off the pitch.
Mezut Ozil has been the signing of the window.
3 seasons. 72 assist. 20 goals. he is supreme talent.
thats the highest for any player in Europe.
bring it on Swansea and beat them, 1-0 would do it.
YNWA

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what will happen at Liverpool in January.}

03 Sep 2013 09:35:55
Thanks to all the eds for their time and effort in making this the number one site for LFC transfer info.
YNWA

03 Sep 2013 09:24:46
Hi Eds,
I'd like to congratulate you lot on maintaining an incredibly calm window at Liverpool Rumours. Very little was a surprise (if any surprise existed at all) because you guys really did have your fingers on the pulse of what was happening. On top of this the new registration requirement has tended to push the buffoons and their usual wind-ups away from here. so all in all this has been the calmest I've been able to remain for years - lol. Thank you all for putting up with our constant thirst for comment, news AND our incessant b*tching. Well done.

03 Sep 2013 09:11:06
Eds will BR be able to work with the new signings - I am aware Cissokho is injured but are Moses, Ilori and SAkho on international duty this week {Ed002's Note - Only Moses has international duty.}

Sakho got dropped from the international squad for the Euros and is now still not back for not being in the starting 11 at PSG, that is one of the big reasons he left.

03 Sep 2013 09:06:49
So, Tiago Ilori; CB, RB and quite possibly CDM cover for Lucas. very young still but he certainly seems to have the game intelligence, calmness in possession, passing range and comfort, enough strength, good tackling without going to ground, and no shortage of recovery speed to excel at defensive midfield.

I really hope that we don't start messing with his position. he could be as big as Thiago Silva in my opinion. In a few years I imagine the plan is for him to play alongside Sakho with McLaughlin at right back hopefully.

03 Sep 2013 08:07:14
This transfer window has highlighted how correct Ozone et al were regarding FSG ownership deficiencies. Their attempt to asset-strip the club fell flat on its face when they couldn't resist the urge to splash out on pricey world-class players last weekend and they were given every opportunity to flog Suarez for over 40m, yet refused to let go. John Henry's perimeter landscaping is in desperate need since there has been little input to his hedge fund this summer. Wholly disappointing. Christ, they'll be building a stadium next.

YEAH what on earth are wrong with these people. They should be giving us something to complain about.

Well said Cozinoz. The likes of Harry Scouser, Waro, Ozone and the other FSG haters should get John W. Henry printed on their Liverpool jerseys. They have been nothing but supportive of BR in this window. Never thought they would be willing to splash 23 million for two centre halves. Well done FSG.

Here hear Cozinoz! Nice to see you again!

(Ash)

03 Sep 2013 10:27:44
Ed. You are ok uploading post which slates me. and you don't upload my replies.
When on earth did I slate FSG is beyond me. what's Indian Buzzer buzzing?.
I want him to show one post of mine, where I have slated FSG.

Ooops sorry Harry Scouser. I meant only Waro, Ozone and the other FSG haters. My mistake.

03 Sep 2013 12:20:44
Indian Buzzer.
thats ok. Apart from Allen, I hardly slate anyone.

03 Sep 2013 08:01:19
Just wanted to say thanks to all the eds and red fans for all the entertainment and news over the market.

03 Sep 2013 07:36:54
Just a quick 1 to say thanks for all your hard work eds would be lost in work with out this site lol looking forward to the changes to

03 Sep 2013 06:43:30
For all those fans who still don't know
Our new young CB is called
ilori
That's an "i" at the beginning
i-l-o-r-i-a

Those pesky Eds!
Sneaking an a on the end there {Ed002's Note - Do you understand why? You may be a little young.}

I'm not that young Ed but its new to me

Them - nice one Ed002! {Ed002's Note - Someone is hip to it then.}

Just showing my age I guess Ed!

Excellent reference, not many below 40 will get that one.

I need someone to explain as I'm very upset that I've missed something. I don't like being out of the loop
Maybe my childhood in the innocent West Country has left me missing out on something?

Come on Eds splill the beans. best I can come up with is that stick G in front an you have me Nans name GLORIA! ha ha {Ed002's Note - Half way there, I guess if you look on You Tube for "Them" and "Gloria" you will get a hint about what Iloria's new song will no doubt be.}

Wow, I was thinking so much more cryptic!
Well done Ed
To be fair it would sound great with the ground in full voice

03 Sep 2013 05:40:38
Eds thanks for Everything.
Appreciate your work!

03 Sep 2013 02:48:51
What this transfer window showed most is how a transfer window could work in the future regarding season long loan deals.

Expect with the financial fair play to see the much more often in the future.

We have Cissohko and Moses with Borini out on loan. Arsenal have Viviano and were trying desperately hard to get Ba. Lukaku went to Everton and Unuted nearly signed Coentrao.

The reasons these will be more common is that the club can get a fee and potentially the player will perform well and either increase in value or become a first team player.

If Cissohko is a success then we will sign him which is a no risk way of signing players.

I remember a few years ago Napoli loaned Cavani from Palermo with a option to buy if 12m. After having an incredible time the 12m was a steal when he could have commanded 30 million to another club.

Loans are no risk deals.

03 Sep 2013 01:46:19
Being reading all the posts and there's not much more to say. Its good to be a Liverpool fan after a window and start to the season as good as this. Wishing the injured lads a speedy recovery, all the best to Borini for the rest of the season and thanks to all the people who have given their insights and opinions on the page.
Of course, special thanks to all the Eds for your hard work, it was certainly appreciated. let's hope we can achieve all our goals for the rest of the season. YNWA.

03 Sep 2013 01:12:20
Got to say very happy with the additions during the transfer window. Seriously on paper I think we have quite possibly the strongest defence in the Premier League.

On another note, have people looked at the fixture list.

Swansea A
Southampton H
Sunderland A
C Palace H
Newcastle A
West Brom H

That takes us to the end of October with the following game Arsenal at the Emirates. Now I don't want to get too carried away with the recent results but c'mon, there is no reason why we shouldn't come out of the fixtures with 14/15 pts easily.

Not felt this good about the team for a few seasons, BR has done a cracking job of moving on people who just weren't cut out to be playing for the club and we now actually have some decent cover for the inevitable injuries that will will come across during the season.

ChrisE

If we can get that many. Then we could be on to something speial. One game at time, tho.

Lets not get carried away - if the team carry on working hard and try and win each game as it come up until he Emirates game we can go there and be happy with a draw.
I have said before that the absence of Europa league football will be a positive for us this season in the PL

Chrise I've been analyzing the fixtures and feel the same way 14 to 15 points from a total of 18 in the next 6 is quite possible.

And if we have say 24 points from 9 games going to emirate we'll be confident enough to go for a win not a draw. Confidence can do a lot for a team and players

But let's not jinx it. One game at a time bring on Swansea and we'll think about it after that.

YNWA

03 Sep 2013 00:30:31
Next six games are:
swansea, southampton, sunderland, palace, newcastle and west brom

I reckon we can and need to get at least 14 of the available 18 points. That is 4 wins and 2 draws.

That will put us sitting at at least 23 points after 9 games.

What do you think?

I think we need 3 points from Swansea - that is all for now.

Agreed, liverpres.

03 Sep 2013 04:34:10
First things first, we need the international break to come and go without any major injuries being sustained

03 Sep 2013 00:14:41
Rafa Paez (Who was the mystery rafa on team sheets in off season) who has been trialling from Real, has joined us. Goes into the U21 squad

03 Sep 2013 00:03:01
Just wanted to say a massive thanks to all the ed's for all the hard work over this summer, awesome site, hope you manage to get a bit of respite now. All the info, insight and opinions very much appreciated. Will still be checking up regularly, but has kept me entertained all summer, made me laugh (ed002 in particular, hope Chelsea have a good season with the special one, apart from when we play you of course), made me smile, made me frown and feel like I just have to post a reply, made me turn on the computer as soon as I get up in the morning, total respect to ed001 for setting it up in the first place. Really pleased with what's happening at the club atm, feeling really positive about the coming season. What now then. oh yeah, watch the footie. :-)

02 Sep 2013 23:32:26
Whats the betting that the headlines tomorrow will be 'Fellaini signs in Fergie time' or 'Suarez joining Madrid in 12 months'
I look forward to another 12 months of harrassment of Suarez by the unbiased UK press.
ps seriously think United are on a slippery slope. Moyes just not good enough i'm afraid. tumbleweed ( not!)

That's the worst outcome of this otherwise brilliant transfer window for me- the constant Suarez questions.

Will he shake hands at the League Cup game? Will he leave in January? Is he going to get banned again? Etc, etc. So would have liked to have gotten rid of that distraction and gotten in someone (or a couple of someones) who perhaps would have made a more positive contribution to the cause.

Fully agree RDL but if we never got an offer worth his value in our eyes, then so be it. We have an amazing striker who is capable of the sublime (and the ridiculous, of course). I was sure he was going to Madrid. Is there any confirmation of a new contract for Suarez as suggested? Or is that an area to avoid this early after the madness? ps A sincere thanks to the Eds, for doing what you do.

02 Sep 2013 23:29:47
Massive big up EDs, today must have been a pain in the balls. But big respect you guys plodded along all summer & tried givin everyone the best info regarding transfers ins & outs. Am delighted to be apart of this site & will continue to check every hour & see what info you guys can ever provide.

02 Sep 2013 23:25:46
What do people think of Borini on loan? I thought he just had bad luck last year, with all the injuries. I thought he might have a role to play this season, perhaps as an impact player off the bench. I realize we have Aspas and Moses but, Aspas may take a while to settle and I guess I as expecting Ibe or Sterling to go out on loan before Borini. Is he already surplus to requirements? Seems u likely that BR wouldn't see him in the plans while he just paid good money for him a year ago.

I am happy with our transfer business. We clearly need another forward and a midfielder, but we have definitely strengthened. Would have been nice to add Yarmolenko, but I think a frint line of Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho and Moses will produce a lot of goals, and our defence is looking real strong. We should really be up for top 4 challenge this year

Coop

03 Sep 2013 01:21:38
He needs the game time, so the loan could be very good for him.
On the other hand, Paolo di Canio is not someone I would trust with the. development of my youth

03 Sep 2013 08:56:37
This could turn in to a thread that needs to go considering a number of things so I'll see if I can cross the line first:

Those Di Canio Youth uniforms are so cute, and I'm happy Borini will be educated in Di Canio's ways. It gives the young lad a great opportunity to belong to a group. Hopefully Borini scores so often that his knife celebration becomes a symbol for the whole group. Best case scenario: he winds up a success internationally.

I think a loan is a near perfect idea. Give him games, to get a chance to adapt to the speed. Get some confidence. Or maybe neither. He just isn't going to get the minutes with us to do decide either.