Liverpool Banter Archive April 04 2012

 

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04 Apr 2012 23:47:54
good evening ti the eds, a question please concerning how transfers happen ,do we first sell a striker and see what money we get off him or do we hunt a target and find out if they are willing to come and are for sale and then sell the striker, or how is it done? my question really is targetting the sell of suarez, we should repace him with a very good player which I do not think de jong is.
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - it depends on the situation, if you have a surplus of players, you just sell them. When you have a gap in the squad, you just go and buy. But, in a replacement, like for like situation, the plan is to find out if the player you want is available, set up the deal and then try and get rid of the player to be replaced. Sometimes it doesn't work like that, if you have received a bid but are unable to replace a player, you have to decide whether to just make do without them or reject the bid. Or you might be unable to offload the player to be replaced, then you have to decide whether to take on the replacement anyway and get rid later on.}


Thankyou ed001 for the prompt response, can clubs now enquire about players or is it only allowed when the transfer window opens officially? thanks
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - they can inquire and deals can be done, it is just that the player can not join another club until the transfer window opens.}


Would be nice if LFC could for once announce that a transfer had been agreed before the window opens (to be signed as soon as window opens) like a lot of other clubs do instead of waiting til deadline day. Take note Comolli.


Yeap agree with above,always a saga,will he/wont he,then last minute panic with LFC.Often involving others poaching our initial/main target,for when put into proportion a few quid more


 

 

04 Apr 2012 23:42:11
Who ever said that Liverpool supporters are knowledgeable?

Were perhaps ?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 23:21:41
soldado or falcao, get one b4 euros proven finishers, perfect foil for suarez, take the hit on carroll and thank kuyt, maxi, cole, aurelio, adam and move them on also, it seems aquilani has almost gone. IF YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH, in the past we had teenagers in the first team, anyone remember fowler, mcmanaman owen-all regular first teamers in their teens, so does that mean that our youth set up is so flawed that the reserves and u18's are not to be trusted. B4 anyone points out flanno and robinson remember we have had problems attacking not defending. Kids sometimes play without fear and with confidence in their ability, we should trust them and get them PL minutes under their belt for the rest of this season, don't matter now where we end up it ain't gonna be in the CL places, so leave the FA cup to the first team and blood some kids.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 23:12:56
Can't believe so many posters are calling for Gerrard to be phased out. He's still our best player by a mile. Don't foret everything he's done for us. He clearly isn't fully fit after an injury ravaged campaign but he also needs help from those around him. The likes of Adam, Henderson, spearing etc simply aren't up to it. Wait till Lucas returns to bring him back to his best. He's obviously been a huge miss since his injury. We coul do with playing him on the right to get some crosses in for Carroll. He's by far the best crosser at the club. Carroll needs some service to thrive. How many crosses has he had playing into him this season?
I feel we'll come good on Saturday. The stick we're getting from everyone surely must spur us on. Start showing some pride boys and play for the shirt and make us smile for once.
Team for villa game:-
Gk doni
Rb Kelly
Lb Johnson (if fit)
Cb Skrtel
Cb Coates
Rw Gerrard
Cm Suso (deserves chance at last)
Cm Henderson
Lw Downing / Sterling
Cf Carroll
Cf Suarez

Subs:- jones, Enrique, carra, eccleston, maxi, kuyt, coast


Time to stop the Gerrard bashing ! He is still our best player and our captain ! ant


Don't put suso back in the cm, he hasn't matured enough as a footballer and all the progress he has made will all be for nothing. I think Jordan Ibe will have to be pushed up to Reserves next year and then put Suso into CM that way and then slowly towards the end of the season give him some first team starts.

BthekingB


No henderson, always the most useless, invisible player on the pitch!


Has any one actually seen Sterling!!
The kid is still far to skinny to be in the first team. He needs to bulk up abit or we risk him getting a serious injury. come on guys you need to be a bit more patient with some of the youth. When they are ready they will play its that simple!

ILUVLFC


Henderson was a tough choice for this team. Agreed he has been very poor but when has be played in his favourite position of centre midfield? While sterling is by no means the finished article we have nothing to lose given that the league is over. On the few reserve games i've seen he looks a great prospect and his raw pace would hopefully cause panic in many a defence. Now is the time to give youth a chance. There's nothing to lose given that the league campaign is over. Look at the likes of owen and fowler for our past and the likes of fabregas, Walcott, ox chamberlain, giggs (when he started) to name only a few. All these were only 17 when the started and look at how their careers have gone. Granted ox chamberlain has only just started his career but he looks an amazing talent and could be worthy of a spot at the euros.


Gerrad 'was' our best player. Can't live on reputation mate.


What ever happened to Gerrard's long range screamers?!


What ever happened to Gerrard's long range screamers?!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 23:14:03
We should sell the few really good players we have and bring in some more carthorses.
Management has failed on all levels. From the bottom to the top.
How will they deal with losing another couple of matches and being beaten by Everton in the FA cup ?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:58:52
There are some thickos on this site.
Disagreeing with the fact that Pele played in the 1958 World Cup final for Brasil.


Sorry mate but you asked for those 'disagrees'


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:43:23
We play one stlye of play and formation in reserves and under 18's but differnent when they get into the first team, Barca play the same style all the way thru into the first team, makes the transition easier and players know what there doing. Just saying


I noticed this recently! There is no through-and-through philosophy, it seems (unlike at Ajax and Barca, where the formation is 4-3-3 throughout). Oh how I wish Eccleston, Sterling, and Suso were a few kilos heavier and a tad-bit brighter on the pitch!

McAlien


I think 4-2-3-1 is the way to go with pacy wide men. I also think that Suarez is a prob in this formation. He is not an out and out CF and he is too selfish to play in behind a CF as he won't link play from CM well enough. He is also ineffective out wide. So what to do?

I actually can't wait for Suso/Adorjan/Texeira to be fighting it out for that behind the CF role!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:39:47
Henderson has loads of potential, I just love how much potential he has, he's going to light up the premier league, isn't his potential awesome, lets buy more players with as much potential as Henderson, ohhhh I do love potential.


Fair enough


BALE had potential. We never heard any Spurs fans moaning about it, did we?
Look at Chelsea if you want to see what the pursuit of instant success does to the soul of a football club

McAlien


Oh Lucas has so much potential oh isn't his potential awesome. Oh....


Potential is nothing. Walcott had potential and even though he is at a top club, he hasn't progressed at all. At the other end of the stick, Bale had a bunch of potential 4 or 5 years ago and has only just started to fulfill it. Potential is 50/50

BthekingB


Benitez only payed 6 million for Lucas, kenny only paid.... Oh


In my opinion Henderson has zero potential. He's an average player at best. When you pay 17mill you want a bit more than potential.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:18:29
Inoee that Merieles wasn't the best at tackling and offered practically nothing defensively but why did we let him go?!
Merieles, Maxi and Suarez linked so well! Then we leave out Maxi, and sell Merieles!
Eds, why did we sell? We didn't even get that much money for him? {Ed002's Note - He wanted to leave as he felt commitments were not met.}


Wages!

Ozone


If I am correct, Ed, didn't he want his wages from 30,000 to 50,000? After a good season that has to be deserved.

BthekingB {Ed001's Note - if he had a good season I am sure he would have got it, but, as he showed tonight, he can't pass the ball to a team mate. He had 4 good games, then got injured, he hadn't done enough to earn a raise.}


Five ex lfc players now in c.l . semi finals shows us what we lost i.e class and fire power and look what we have now , says it all .red mick tag


Yea Mick agree,why couldnt we keep at least some?


Bulls**t. For a first season in the premier league, Meireles was very effective. Was fantastic in the first few months under Kenny's reign and didn't he win some kind of award at the end of the season?! Definetely deserved what he was promised!


Bulls**t. For a first season in the premier league, Meireles was very effective. Was fantastic in the first few months under Kenny's reign and didn't he win some kind of award at the end of the season?! Definetely deserved what he was promised! {Ed001's Note - voted for by fans who only saw him on MOTD, when he did look great. But over 90 min he was poor, often giving the ball away and always shirking a challenge.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:18:11
Aston villa are in horrible form and are close to relegation. Does anyone feel even remotely confident? I think the best we can do is a draw. Likely loss though, with "wonder goal" by some unknown player and another world class performance by opposing goal tender.


This made me chuckle, at least some of us have a sense of humour


I see us winning 4-0.

BthekingB


Bolton QPR Wigan at home! just to name a few that were in bad form till they played us!


Goal tender ,thats a new one


Goal Tender-Is that you Mr.Henry?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:14:48
How are we going do include jay, shelvey, suso, David texeria and jordan Henderson in the future as I see jay as a furture captain. Some one explain.


Are we talking about "Jay" Spearing if so I disagree. I feel he should be playing for a mid table team. He is good but not Liverpool quality and certain not future captain.



LFC4LIFE


Spearing captain? my god we are spiralling into insignificance


Thank you for answering my question. Spearing mid table? Ur a muppet


Spearing is a good backup but as soon as Lucas comes back he will be dropped and Coady won't be far off being the back up. As much as I like him, Spearing should move if he wants first team football.

BthekingB


Captain should be lucas after stevie
NZL_red


What can Spearing do besides swinging his arm up?

HK


You mean Joao Carlos Texeira, not David

Red Ollie


Are we talking about "Jay" Spearing if so I disagree. I feel he should be playing for a mid table team.
We ARE a mid-table team!


My friend sadly we are a mid table team and how the hell can anyone suggest Spearing as a future captain.Some of the posts on here really do leave me scratching my head.
Derek


Hey jay spearing is the best arm swinger/ skipper...(get it :D) about.


3 captains
lucas
skrtel
agger


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:14:02
Delighted for Torres and Meireles, hope they beat Barca


I actually hope Barca thrash them, mate.

RenegadeRed


Feel sorry for Torres and Meireles. One has a haircut like a 5 y/o boy and the other like a 5 y/o girl.

Chuck Norris


Barca to take them apart. Messi hat trip is my big wish. Barca to retain CL.
ND


 

 

04 Apr 2012 22:10:50
To the ED/FANS blaming gerrard on our performances and wanting to sell him ,seriously WTF are u guys on about ,clearly havent a clue.Gerrard has for years been our main attacking weapon scoring and setting up goals.clynical in front of goal if hes one on one with the keeper is 9 out of 10 times a goal.i was at anfield in december for the game against newcastle we were s**t until gerrard just back from injury came on and won us the game.the thing is he should be played up front.he has the brain,technique,skill,and awareness that players like zidiane and Berkamp had plus he can tackle and has power , pace and an engine people that think he hasnt are wrong .but what he never had was the positioning and ability to control a game from centre mid in the big games against top teams .he was never a keane or patrick veiria type midfielder but against teams with a weaker midfield he can.Raffa knew his best position up front playing with or behind the striker.thing why is is not playing so well is because hes playing in centre mid with poor players all around him bar mabye suarez ,its hard to dominate the midfield with spearing/adam beside him and as soon as he gets the ball at his foot who keeps the attack going apart from suarez and johnson .downing,henderson,carroll and kuyt cant do this .its clear our captain is still a quality player but now we really do just have so much s**te players around him .still no decent wingers and since torres left a clinical striker.so to all u guys who think we should get rid of the best attacking player in our team ,wht do we do then leave it to who?Enough said ,GERRARD BEST LFC PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

JEFF :) {Ed001's Note - you clearly have never seen Souness play for us, or Dalglish, if you think Gerrard is better than either.}


Gerrard is and has been our best player for a long time now, i dont believe he has past it either and if the club do sell him they had better appoint someone who is able to use the money wisely or we will end up with another $hite expensive flop


Lets put it to a vote then
LFCS BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME
in my opinion GERRARD

jeff:)


My old man still stands by Souness tbf. I'm 30 yrs old Ed, but I've seen enough games(albeit not live for Souness & Dalglish) to make my own mind up - Gerrard is the greatest in my eyes.

To be honest tho - my old man thinks Georgy Best is the greatest(all time). My father has been a LFC fan for 50 yrs.

Lee YNWA


Ed Stevie is the best player for the fact that gerrard had never had the privalege of playing with the best team in the world. Everything the guy has done and sacrificed for us other his career refusing numerous approaches. And single handedly winning the cl and fa cup! I can't believe people including yourself have had the nerve to question his ability! He clearly looks shattered after being injured for a very long time, and being rushed back. When he came back against from his injury and scored twice everybody was raving about him. How fickle.

Jman


Graeme Souness is by far the best midfield player we've ever had, if only we had someone of his type now.

Ozone


My father said Dalglish, if in todays game would be worth 100 million in his prime.

On the Gerrard topic, I believe he can offer good but he isn't. I believe that this is because he doesn't want to be injured for the Euros. Before you bark at me remember the World Cup? How good of a season did he have then? Not so good. He needs to offer 110% in every game and not sit back and let others do the work.

BthekingB


Ed ,i saw souness and dalglish play and you are wrong Gerrard would have graced that team ,and to be honest any other team in any era !! the kid is class .stop the Gerrard bashing ed you re making a fool of yourself ! they had the luxury of playing in a great side ,gerrard hasn,t !he has carried L F C for a long time and at a time when he could have played for any team in the world ,show a bit of respect please! cheers ant. {Ed001's Note - Gerrard is a great player, but not a patch on either of those. I am not making a fool of myself, it is the fan boys that think the sun shines out of his backside that are making themselves look foolish.}


Fan boys!?

Lee YNWA (Fan Boy 001)


Honestly, im not sure about the greatest but John Barnes was one hell of a winger!! Plus you have to throw Rush in the mix, but for me Gerrard doesnt have quite the same class as Souness or Dalglish. He's more about power and pace, which he is lacking at the minute making him look average at best. Where as Souness or Dalglish would still be class :)
KiwiRed


I have been going to anfield since dick white was captain and my favourite player was the saint but i believe the best player out of all the fantastic players is steve gerrard . he has done more than any one other players played in great teams with great players to support them on and off the pitch , steven has often been in teams with lesser standard of player. just my own opinion which i have built up from when i was aged ten untill now aged 62,red mick tag


Guys I am afraid to say that Ed is right on this one.

Dalglish was in my opinion the best player to have ever played for your club.

BthekingB - I think he would be looking the same price bracket as Messi and Ronaldo - whatever that may be.

Ok I have roots to Paradise but I don't think my view is biased. Dalglish edges it mainly because he could do everything but kept it simple, whereas Stevie G can do everything but ends up over complicating it. Why try a cute 1-2 triangle when a drop of the shoulder and turn of pace is all that is needed to beat the defender, which he still can easily do at 31(?). I also feel his best position is wide right and not in the centre.

Big fan of both Dalglish and Gerrard as players, but George was better than both.

From a fan of the best team in Manchester.

Paso


Best player of all time,hard to decide given different positions and eras but this list may create some discussions:-

Billy Liddell
Roger Hunt
Ian Callaghan
Ray Clemence
Emlyn Hughes
Kevin Keegan
Phil Neal
Graeme Souness
Kenny Dalglish
Ian Rush
Robbie Fowler
Steven Gerrard
John Barnes

Maybe we could start a post for our best player position by position,think there would be some interesting and maybe thought provoking selections.

Derek


Sorry I forgot he was also a great captain.

Elmo


Didnt dalglish n souness play in the best team in the world ed? Gerrard never had the chance to. I still think stevie wud have been better back in the 1980's.
Indian Buzzer {Ed001's Note - Gerrard is great going forward, but he is lazy, he is caught out far too often by someone running in behind him. Neither Souness nor Dalglish could ever have been accused of laziness, that is one of the main reasons the team was so great. Gerrard has the ability, but his career was built on being the only option in the team, Dalglish stood out a country mile in a team where every player was great. There is no comparison.}


I've had the privelage to watch the great teams of the eighties play in the flesh. Some fantastic players Dalglish, Barnes, Souness, Hansen, Rush Fowler the list goes on. To pick out the best is pretty difficult and for along time I had Dalglish as my Nr 1, but a certain Steven Gerrard has eclipsed them all. In his pomp he didn't have a weakness to his game. Pace, power, he could tackle, pass short or long. He was a dead ball specialist and not forgetting he scored goals for fun. {Ed001's Note - he has plenty of weaknesses. If you can't see them, then you really are just a fan boy, try watching without your Liverpool tinted specs on! There are reasons why he was shunted out wide right and then (after throwing his toys out of his pram because he didn't want to play on the right and is far too much the big I am to just do as he is told for the good of the side) had to be played in front of 2 midfielders to cover his obvious deficiencies. Yes he is great at what he does, but he does, like every player, even Messi, have weaknesses.}


Stevie does have weaknesses including the stevie mee attitude but he is a great player , look at the way he played as a full back in istanbul and how he made the final against west ham more of a memory to others than the stanley mathews final,its a shame he is getting "old " as he has been fab for us since he came into the team .
get behind players like gerrard lfc mean more to them than the journey boys.
ynwa


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:53:40
Ollie Holt(manc lover)writes awful critical LFC articles.Now! he backs Kenny,You have to wonder Does he?After his previous works.At least we know Aldos genuine and loves LFC.Any negativity is from the heart,cos hes hurting.Holts a slimey git


Gerrard is the best player for liverpool...coz he is being playing with a loads of craps from quiet some time..and stil ldelivering...if he would be in UTD..he would be the greatest player ever played in EPL..would be better than keane, and scholes by mile..we saw gerrerrd best wen RAFA emplyed him with torres a midfielder netting 20 goals a season....


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:32:20
hey eds

do you exspect any of the youngsters to be on the bench vs villa?

thanks {Ed001's Note - yes.}


Who eds? {Ed002's Note - We don't know. Please stop these repeated question about the children.}


I expect at least in one of the next two games vs villa and rovers a few youngsters will make the bench because of the fixture pile up with the fa cup semi also ahead. right eds? {Ed001's Note - yep, I expect so, there is likely to be a bit of rotation.}


Coates, mendy, Sterling, Nathan, suso


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:22:50
just heard the funniest thing from the itv commentators "they're bringing Raul Meireles on to sure things up" thought id share to amuse you and cheer everyone up!
Andy C


Great goal by Meireles to put Chelsea through to the semi final of the champions league against Barcelona


He did just score ya know? ;p They(Chelski) were awful and are going to get humbled/humiliated/smashed by Barca....Can't wait.

Lee YNWA


Opps hes scored the winner


Just like we got smashed by Napoli? Least you have something to look forward to ay LEE YNWA, what has your club become

SHED END


Oh finally Shed End has responded (a week late) - Congrats on making the semifinal, but you WILL get smashed mate. What the heck have Napoli got to do with anything??

Plenty to look forward to thanks - Europe for one, for which you are not guaranteed!

Lee YNWA


We'll have to wait and see pal, regardless of the result at the minute you can only dream of semi finals against Barca. Everyone wrote us off against Napoli, we 'smashed' them 4-1.

And what?, so you dont think we'll finish high enough to get a Europa place, behave yourself mate. Typical scouse fan still think your in a position to comment on other teams when your own club is a shadow, a shambles, the scouse wit has dried and turned into jealousy and bitterness. Good luck with that

SHED END


If I'm honest, I am jealous of your Semi Final against Barca. Just like your jealous of the #5times.

It's not like your setting the league on fire yourself 'pal', so your perch is just as 'fragile' as mine ;p

Lee YNWA


Remember Shed End, this is the Liverpool Banter page.....I know the Chelsea page is a ghost town. But it would be smarter to manage your words better when you say who's in a position to pass comment??

Lee YNWA


No no, go on then Chelsea page, search back to day 1, not one person has mentioned your 5 times. I couldnt care less what youve won in the past so your claim that im jealous in unfounded. I think you'll find the only people who talk about the '5 times' is Liverpool fans using it as some sort of leverage to justify your decline.

I never said we were setting the league on fire, but for you too say we wont finish in at least a Europa place is a bit silly

And finally, if you dont want Chelsea on your page, stop talking about us, ' Chelsea this, Torres that' if your the mighty '5 times' Liverpool why are you so concerned about us or your former players? Poor banter to go along with your poor team and poor future, but at least youve got '5 times' eh

SHED END


As Steve Parker said we harp on about our past glories to much! it's all history now! it's the present and future that i'm more concerned about!


Shed End - I didn't say you wouldn't make Europe at all.  I just pointed out that it's not concrete.  We have Europe via the Cup(beat you along the way - at the Bridge, remember?)

I don't, or will not ever visit the Chelsea page...too many echoes , echoes, echoes ...

Stop being belligerent Shed mate.

Lee YNWA 


He's upset cos there is no history at Chelsea and apart from a semi final which they will inevitably lose there is no real future
Uruseb


Hay Shed end I see your plastc club are still handing out free plastic flags for your CL games. What a joke! No matter what, your club will always be second best. Fact!

Elmo
LFC forever


I did spot he scored a rather good goal at the end after i posted and the "doh!" resounded around my living room, but to the unnamed poster, it wasnt the winner chelsea were already going through, and good goal or not the idea he could sure anything up is laughable, no arguement he's good going forward but defensively he's terrible. Anyway nice to see SHED END bit

Andy C


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:14:32
been dieing to see J.Tex play. anyone know how long he is injured? its been what 4 months almost now? thought he had a nigging injury that would take no time.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:14:01
Bit of an awkward question but if Rafa took over next season (and that's a very big 'if') do you think he would want an overhaul of the squad? I would be particularly interested to know what he would do with the likes of Henderson and Carroll?


Henderson, Carroll, coates, Adam, Downing, spearing, shelvey, Johnson all gone


He would teach them to sweep up and make the tea

Peter


Rubbish Rafa wanted Downing when he was boss and signed Shelvey before he left. Coates is a Rafa style player and I think he'll see potential in Hebdrrson.

I think Adam could be gone as could Carroll.

Papa G


Downing and Shelvey maybe not


Id say more than likely they would nearly all be kept because who would give us anything near what we paid for them,and even if raffa came in and added more players it would mabye take sum pressure off them and add more dept and competition to the squad but really only the bench
jeff:)


Why you lot talking about rafa being reinstated? i sincerely hope he isn't


He would want £100 m and he ain't gonna get it!
DM2012


I think Carroll's going no matter who's manager next season, but I think the rest will stay

Red Ollie


Yeah..he would want another 100 mil...and by the way..any manager who comes..wil lask 100 mill..coz look at the team now?? i dont see any world class manager coming to us for this reason...
forget how rafa plays..ho he does not..he will get you the title..wil lgo to a sunny day out in spain..and wil l probably bring 3 players from spain..who actually plays pass and move...

look jose..wer ever he went he splashed atleast 100 mill..
even he will not get us glory with this squad..


If rafa comes in, adam n carrol will be the first clearouts. Not good enough for a spanish manager.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:07:51
eds i have some questions about adam morgan

1) did he go on a goal scoring streak or something like that?

2) has he had an arguement or any bust ups in the club

3) do you think adam morgan will be involved with the first team this season

cheers {Ed001's Note - 1. not sure what you mean, he did have a dip in form this season.
2. no.
3. probably not this season.}


Morgan has made more than 20 games for the U-18s and a dozen for the Reserves but the majority of them have been in the NextGen. I think the leap to the 1st team is a bit too far this season.
Dutchmal


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:07:39
Pele played for Brasil in the World Cup when he was 17.


Well he was leading scorer in brazil at 17?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 21:01:50
With this seasons poor displays we wont be able to attract any top players this summer.


Last summer was a possiblity but we wasted it and now your right, we wont.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:58:32
I cant believe what I'm reading..I grew up with Gerrard and Owen as my two heroes..selling Gerrard would ruin me like selling Owen did. I agree that as a team they do seem to perform better without him.

Having said overall these are lesser quality players that seem to have no confidence in their own ability when compared to the 08/09 team. In their eyes Stevie is the only one that can do something special and no doubt he feels the same.

The team has been starved of quality for the past two years. If there were better players around him who have belief in themselves and who felt they were on par with him talent wise, I don't feel we would have this problem.

Long story short we need better and more experienced players.

GuvTOB

-------------------------------------------------------

Kevin Keegan was my hero and was moved on, Dalglish was my hero and resigned, Hughes, Fowler, Souness, Rush, Whelan, Beardsley, so on and so on. There comes a point when situations come to an end and the Carra Gerrard era is over. The club needs a different dynamic to go forward. Gerrard and Carra do not have the right type of characters to command the right sort of respect from the youngsters or the new players coming into the team. Gerrard is to moody/ smug and Carras a mouthpiece. This is no good for the current situation especially when confidence is rock bottom. You look at the likes of Giggs and Scholes and you can see how they would benefit the new players and young lads at Utd. Thats the difference between us and them. Fergie acts, we dither.

Carroll, Gerrard, Carra have to go. Bring in a quality centre forward, right winger, a bit of bite in the middle with some character and we will be heading in the right direction. With the right players Kenny will get it right.

Ozone


Unsure bout Kenny sorting it,agree with the rest


How is getting rid of Gerrard going to magically solve our problems?

That's not to say he is not past it, and needs to be phased out. But our problems run deeper - including tactics, man management, the players we are purchasing, etc.


Keegan was and is my hero. Simply amazing.


Ozone u t**t ,ur saying gerrard wouldnt be respected by the younger players coming into the squad?what u talking bout ,id say nearly all young players coming through would love to be even half the player stevie gerrard is,u dont think they could learn anything from training /playing along side him? ozone U DONKEY

jeff:)


Jeff, I'm not criticising Gerrards undoubted talent, I'm criticising his character. His general dermina doesn't suggest that he has a great deal of patience. He's moody and I don't think this is a quality which is going to inspire those around him. Granted he comes up with the goods in games against weaker opponents but 99% of the time he goes missing against the big guns. Sometimes inspiration comes from a big tackle or imposing an aura on the pitch that settles the weaker characters in the team. Gerrard doesn't have that in his locker. He is the wrong type of leader.

Ozone


Gerrard doesn't have 'aura' or a 'big tackle'(!) .. What Gerrard have you been watching the last 12 years?

Lee YNWA


Ozone. Worst post(s) of the year. Well done.

BthekingB


Gerrard is probably the best player Liverpool has ever had. Aura, tackling, shooting, heading, foot-speed, engine - everything. A few years ago Zidane called him the best in the world.

Sounness had the advantage of playing in a team that was the best of its time. Ditto Dalglish. Gerrard has had no such help.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:50:52
we could do a lot worse than getting jarvis, fletcher and doyle when wolves are relegated


We could do ALOT better too. Doyle is a championship player and jarvis isn't consistent enough for the demands on a team like Liverpool and Fletcher would be a ok signing though


What kind of fool are you?


Doyle a championship player? And fletcher not? Fletcher had a good run in with form but lately he is useless. Doyle is as good as fletcher if not beyter


This is why we're in this mess at the moment, but yet you still believe bringing in more of these average players playing for relegation candidates will improve us. Some people really are deluded one here, we complain about downing, henderson, carroll and co' and that we need more quality and flair, then we see people suggesting these players. These players are probably worse than what we've got!

E.H LFC


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:41:45
eds i have a quick question,please answer

why do you think suso hasnt had a chance yet and hasnt even trained with the first team or anything like that? thanks {Ed002's Note - I guess they don't think he is ready yet.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:40:59
eds why does sterling keep training with the first team if there gonna play him with the reserves? {Ed002's Note - When you say "keep training" what do you mean? If he is to play with teh reserves he will train with thgem and perhaps do some sessions with the first time. But as a child there are limits on how much training he is allowed to do.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:30:14
I hope owners break the bank for either kaka or ozil kenny likes left footed players but i think a goal scoring mid is needed badly feels like a new christmas for me cant wate for the transfer window see what santa brings the team hopefully new players and couple goals for next season hope the transfer windo goes better than our season. STEMLOCC


Kaka and Ozil come to us? Maybe last year but I think after this year your in dream land mate.

RDR


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:30:06
What I failed to mention lower down Ed is, that we're going to slash the wage bill 'again' this summer with the inevitable transfers out.

So to sell Gerrard aswell, would only send out one message to our fans worldwide - We can't afford to keep out best player of all time...WHO .. IS .. NOT .. FINISHED ..

I agree his wages are far too high given his lack of form since 2009-10. Surely something can be worked out? If not, then I agree(reluctantly)

Lee YNWA


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:23:14
I was chuffed when I found this site but every time I come on it now it's leaving me more and more depressed. Our reputation as well educated fans isn't on view here everyone is slating and pointing fingers which I will do but I will also give my reasons. If you want long term success you need someone with a spine at our club. It's all very well and good saying the players we have bought haven't done well but our tactics are appalling. Our defence seems to have fallen apart since the injury to agger, we lack leaders in a major way. Since hyypia left we've only had carra and gerrard you can say reina is but he can hardly stamp some authority on a game. Pace is another major asset we don't have which is the reason we have drawn so may games at anfield we are to static and are waiting for someone else to do something. Watch teams that are successful none of their players stand still. We have bought a player who was great in a relegated team (Adam) holds on to the ball to long and has the tackling ability of Paul scholes. When dalglish came in it was freshing to see his tactics change for who we are playing something that seems to have stopped since our new arrivals. Saurez needs someone quicker minded than Carroll to play along side he tries things that Carroll isn't accustomed to which is ok coz he isn't that type of striker. Now to Enrique who some of you seem to think is a success he gives away possession in poor areas and makes bad choices when defending facing his own goal Henderson on the other hand just needs time his work rate is excellent but he needs to be more aggressive in his game. Downing just needs games on the trott aswell as carroll you only get better playing with each other week in week out.

Now for my ins and outs

In
Aimar yes old but someone who we could get and cheap who will unlock defenses for fun especially poor teams
M'villa go all out to get this lad that's all I'm saying
Tello just watch him

Out
Maxi
Aurelio
Adam
Kuyt


Aimar just signed his final contract at Benfica... M'Villa wants a move to Arsenal and Tello would never in a billion years leave Barcelona to sign for Liverpool.


What is going all out? Offer 100m?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:21:58
So how many of you will be secretly hoping Villa win the weekend, could spell the end for Kenny!!
If you lose the semi to the Toffees it will surely be the end of the queen. A sad sad day I was hoping he would pay £40 M for Berba off me.

Sir Alex x


Is that still the best you've got, for someone that's trying to wind up people, you are absolutely useless. The same old rubbish we've heard a million times.

MR EM


Are you p*ssed again slur whisky face? Or are you reminiscing about the time you got caught using the hard shoulder of the motorway coz you'd s**t ur pants

Peter


MR EM

There you go again with you repetitive comebacks, I suggest you work on your banter mate.

CnM


Repetitive posts deserve repetitive comebacks

cozinoz


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:21:22
Hi Eds - not a rumour, but do you know what the situation is with John Terry and his racism case ?

It's all gone quiet - he continues to play and seems to be getting away with it.

KBL {Ed001's Note - the case will be heard after the season.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:20:01
Liverpool have emerged victorious from 13 of the 21 games Andy Carroll has started, a 62% win percentage. Without Carroll included from the offset, the Reds have a paltry 38% win percentage from 21 games.

Liverpool have won five and drew two of the last seven matches the former Newcastle striker began on the pitch; in contrast, the last seven matches that Carroll has started from the bench have yielded five losses and two draws.

He can't score and his ball retention skills leave a lot to be desired, so why are Liverpool gaining more points with the lumbersome £35 million flop starting? And that's where Luis Suarez comes in.

Suarez should not be played as a lone striker. He is not clinical enough and constantly finds himself isolated. He has a dire shot to goals ratio and desperately needs the foil of another strike partner. Journalist Jen Chang tweeted that Suarez has scored twice and provided four assists in the last four games he started alongside Carroll. In the previous five games that Suarez started and Carroll didn't, Suarez contributed no assists and scored twice, with both goals coming following Carroll's introduction from the bench. (dated 28/03/12 pre Newcastle game)
---------------------------------------------
It would seem that Liverpool win more and Suarez plays better with Carroll in the team than sitting on the bench. A 62% win rate with Carroll starting? Would that be enough for a Cl spot?

The Irish Rover


Though stats are not the end all or be all of all observations and conclusions, I agree with what you want to say.....

Selling Carroll would be the biggest mistake any club would have done in the past 10-15 years......

LiverBird


Yeah, Newcastle are kicking themselves for getting rid of such a prolific and intelligent striker as Carroll. Never runs near post for most of our crosses which are funnily enough aimed near post, has the reactions of a sloth and the clumsiness and brains of quazimodo. Damn, I wish we keep hold of him for ever.


How about we sell him and buy a striker who can score aswell, instead of just being a distraction to allow suarez to play better...


 

 

04 Apr 2012 20:06:28
The popular opinion at the moment, seems to be we need a new manager. If you were the owners, who would you appoint, and why?


Capello. Proven club manager with a point to prove.


Raffa and the reason is because we know how close we came to winning the league with him in charge we just needed the right owners backing him .champs league every year and a good run in it too .top players from around europe playing for our club.the reason i dont think anybody else can cum in and take the job is time because if things dont start off well the doubters will be out again

jeff


How about a young, up-and-coming manager - one who wasn't fired from his last job?

Or is that too radical? {Ed002's Note - Like Super Stevie Nicol?}


Joachim Loew. Tactically one of the very best out there. Young, good idea's, done well at International level with Germany - might have an influence if we wish to purchase any Germans players (and I think we should because there are many top, young German players out there).

SMc


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:58:25
04 Apr 2012 19:32:59
Football fans are so fickle, I remember a couple of months ago all the Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head. Chelsea fans thought they had the messiah and then he turned into Mr Bean. A year ago Liverpool fans all wanted Hodgson, I rest my case.
I then read that Liverpool need to get rid of Gerrard, Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carrol, Suarez, Downing, Adam, Henderson, kuyt, and a year ago Lucas (who now is a world beater).
Two years ago everyone wanted to see the back of Benitez, now they all want him back.

So lets discuss - the majority of Liverpool fans on this site want a new manager and get rid of 80% of the current team and replace them with managers and players from all over the world, and maybe if that doesn't work the year after we should do the same again, priceless.

Before Christmas we were playing really well but the one problem was scoring goals. Its obvious now that this has caught up with us, draining the confidence and exerting too much pressure on every one when in front of goal. If those chances went in at the start of the season then i am sure we would be challenging the top three. Its been a fine line this year, and disappointingly were are on the wrong side of the line.
Can we really blame the manager or the coaching staff when we are in the top 3 in creating most clear cut chances. Nearly every game I have watched we have had at least 2 or more chances to score early in the game and missed, hitting the bar or post most of the time.
Confidence is a powerful thing in football, with it your contenders and without it your relegation fodder.
What breeds confidence is support, and thats our job ,and at the moment support is extremely lacking. I am not laying the blame with the fans but walking out to a packed noisy Anfield is sometimes worth a goal and certainly lifts the players, take Newcastle last week, their supporters were fantastic.
Maybe its time to stop playing football manager and concentrate on supporting the team, have confidence in the guys at the top and the ones on the pitch and give them a little time to get things right and i am sure they will.

For me they will never walk alone

Evered

----------------

Best post I've read this season

Shmickles


Yes, fantastic post...

Always nice to hear someone talking sense and loving the and supporting the players, club and the support staff....

LiverBird


What youse dont get is we all love the club,we criticise cos were hurting so much.Cos you choose not to doesnt mean you think more of club,childish outlook


Childish outlook? Read the post again.

The post isn't who or how anyone should love or hurt at the moment. Supporters should support while we're playing well or poorly. Slagging and bating our own players whilst they play at Anfield has become common ground in this day and age. A cancer too many "fans" are unwilling to face up to... or even admit to.

Childish outlook? Nah, mate. Just honest.

We need to get our house in order before questioning anybody else. Have your opinions before and after the game. But all that should be left at the gates. We need to get our game on coz at the moment we're p*$$ poor.

Shmickles


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:58:08
hands up, agree (like) disagree (dislike) Dalglish is doing a good job.

kevin o's

imo he should be sacked. no more excuses


How can anyone press like, the question is 'is he doing a good job' not should he be sacked. he clearly isnt doing a good job so why press agree, foolish.


Blind kenny a** kissers still exist, i guess.
Indian Buzzer


Those hitting Agree are losers content with below average team and a clueless manager. This breed of "supporters" is of huge detriment to the club.
Nikki


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:50:13
We're on the march with Kenny's Army, we're all going to Wembley ,and we'll really shake them up when we win the FA Cup. because Liverpool are the greatest football team. ( No we're not, but as long as we stick it to the toffee's in the semi's and win the final. Who gives a s**t.)

A True Red who just loves the club and fans.

John.


Totally agree John, I found out today that me and my 6 year old son now have tickets and I don't know who's more excited! I haven't been to wembley since 1989 and my son has never been.
Things may seem bad at present with our league position but d'you know what it's my birthday on the 10th and I can't think of anything I'd rather have for a present than to watch the reds at Wembley again, win or lose it's a day my son and I will never forget.
King Kenny may have his critics and I too have cursed the embarrassment of recent results but I thank my lucky stars that I support LFC, some clubs have fans that will never have the opportunity that my little boy now has, thanks KK, it may not happen again for a while but at least I have all my memories of our famous finals and now the next generation of reds will have their first taste.
YNWA
ALB - 44 years a red and proud of our club. KD is the last legend of our history and tradition, keep the faith all reds and Eds (except 002 who no doubt is dreaming of emulating our Champions League triumphs right now! Good luck ed2 if you make it past Barca this year then just 4 more to go hey?) {Ed002's Note - I appreciate the thought.}


You're welcome Ed2 as you catch me in generous mood. You might just beat Barca if you take your chances, what d'you reckon, would you settle for us winning the FA cup if you won the champions league?
ALB {Ed002's Note - Sure, it's onl;y a game.}


Ah but Ed it's much more important than that!
Well now that a Liverpool old boy has put you through it would be quite fun
ny to see you win the thing and watch Mancs and London clubs turn green. Better be careful though as soon you'll be able to talk about history and legacy if you keep challenging on all fronts, where would that leave our banter with you then? All the best ed.
ALB. {Ed002's Note - Have a great evening - I rather think that I will not be one to care too much for history etc.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:40:58
how come so many arsenal, totteham, everton, man utd fans come on here to take the piss?


Because its funny?


Can these comedians tell me when the arsenal spurs toffes last won a final there not in a positon to comment utd fans might just be . but in the words of sir red nose they arent in the elite yet .THATS FIVE EUROPEAN CUPS . cheers psv


I'd say with 34 points difference United fans are in a slightly better position to comment than you'd like to make out.

APC


To APC if you read my reply properly its not about 34pts over a few seasons its about the club entire life time and lfc is still the only english elite team as inplied by sir red nose along with AC BARCA REAL .


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:40:56
Would jordan rhodes and nathaniel clyne come to us despite no CL?


Clyne is off to man united, 100%


Newcastle mate


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:39:36
people will truth something they know. Something safe and tested. Past managers fit that.

I find the papers very funny these days. On one page Kenny is safe and will be given time. On the next page Kenny should be outed. Its just plain weird.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:35:05
We all know gerrard is not as good as he used to be. but is still a top class act. suarez is excellant but not enough goal return atm. defo need a goal scorer, dont kno y kk never invested in jan. but things are not all doom and gloom
reina
kelly or johnson skrtyl agger enrigue
lucas
new signing hendo
gerrard suarez
new signing
with bellers downing another forward carroll sterling coates adam
and get rid of maxi aqua kuyt
keep youngsters jonjo flanno young lb and the likes of suso and coady amoo coming up
so three decent signing and its a quality squad with dept
get this season over with and hopefullys things click next year

opinions please no arguing, were all lfc fans


I thunk your right , but football has changed and do you think kenny will get another full season .cause i for one dont think he will cheers psv


A short while back (measured in weeks) Gerrard destroyed Everton with a dispay that was as good as ever

Eh, what you suggest about Gerrard is not right.

A bit more lateral thinkng is needed


He lacks the discipline which is required to play in the center of the midfield....

He is better at right or behind the striker where positional discipline is not a primary requirement

LiverBird


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:33:02
Did anyone else had a thought that due to current carrol situation it looks like we just sold torres for 15M to chelsea.
I don't see a way convincing any club to pay good money for him or may be we can turn him into a CB.he does have tallness going for him..
Red indian


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:32:59
Football fans are so fickle, I remember a couple of months ago all the Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head. Chelsea fans thought they had the messiah and then he turned into Mr Bean. A year ago Liverpool fans all wanted Hodgson, I rest my case.
I then read that Liverpool need to get rid of Gerrard, Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carrol, Suarez, Downing, Adam, Henderson, kuyt, and a year ago Lucas (who now is a world beater).
Two years ago everyone wanted to see the back of Benitez, now they all want him back.

So lets discuss - the majority of Liverpool fans on this site want a new manager and get rid of 80% of the current team and replace them with managers and players from all over the world, and maybe if that doesn't work the year after we should do the same again, priceless.

Before Christmas we were playing really well but the one problem was scoring goals. Its obvious now that this has caught up with us, draining the confidence and exerting too much pressure on every one when in front of goal. If those chances went in at the start of the season then i am sure we would be challenging the top three. Its been a fine line this year, and disappointingly were are on the wrong side of the line.
Can we really blame the manager or the coaching staff when we are in the top 3 in creating most clear cut chances. Nearly every game I have watched we have had at least 2 or more chances to score early in the game and missed, hitting the bar or post most of the time.
Confidence is a powerful thing in football, with it your contenders and without it your relegation fodder.
What breeds confidence is support, and thats our job ,and at the moment support is extremely lacking. I am not laying the blame with the fans but walking out to a packed noisy Anfield is sometimes worth a goal and certainly lifts the players, take Newcastle last week, their supporters were fantastic.
Maybe its time to stop playing football manager and concentrate on supporting the team, have confidence in the guys at the top and the ones on the pitch and give them a little time to get things right and i am sure they will.

For me they will never walk alone

Evered


Yeah, all liverpool fans wanted hodgson


Well said Evered.
KJS


Excellent post


No one i know wanted woy


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:28:28
Patience, people.

I believe out fickleness of clouding our judgement as supporters of this great club. We hoped that the new signings would gel immediately (having played in the EPL), but this has not happened. Keeping this in mind, patience is a virtue, and I believe the club as a whole will respond appropriately.

Remember all the horrible things WE said about Lucas? Before his injury, he was arguably the best CDM in the league, and his passing had improved tenfold.

Comolli's plans are long-term. Case-in-point; Tottenham didn't win any EPL game Gareth Bale was involved in during his first season at WHL (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/apr/23/gareth-bale-tottenham). Modric, Assou-Ekotto and Berbatov were also mediocre during their first seasons.

Carroll will not be sold, he is still young and will come good in the near future...once one player starts shining, the whole team will follow suit. I believe the 'racism' SAF game stifled our growth this season, but hopefully the club has learned to cope. There is no reason our current team can's shine...after all, it seems as though the scum are going to bag another title with what is (at least on paper) a VERY mediocre squad.

That's all for now. What do you guys think?

McAlien


I agree with that.

I think SAF played a very dirty game with Kenny..People dont notice but SAF pushed Kenny to where he is at his weakest....IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS and UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS.....

And our fans being our fans, short sighted that they are, jumped into the aftermath of that episode....

We need more support for our players and support staff..

LiverBird


Sir Alex could never in his wildest dreams have even began to imagine how Liverpool would handle certain things this season.

APC


Paranoid rubbish.Were a Shambles.and Carrols carp,endve


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:15:50
Cant believe what I'm reading, sell Gerrard? No. He IMO is still class, he was absolutely superb vs Everton. When coming back from injuries you are less consistent BUT also, training and playing with better players makes you better. Gerrard is training with (lets be honest) some fairly average players - he has to work harder, so ofc his performance is affected. He cant do it all! We need THE WHOLE TEAM to perform - Espch if KD is serious about this 'pass and move' philosophy.


He is the highest earner at the club and has had one of his worst seasons ever. he is not going to get better, and imo he is a spent force. apart from a small hand full of times this season he has been carp


Must Agree, most people on this site are either Mancs, Blue necks, and certainly not Liverpool fans


Bums on seats. What would make u buy another season ticket


Completely agree - Selling Gerrard would be idiotic. Maybe play him less and take the focus off him - but sell? Unbelievable.....

Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - so pay a man 135k a week to watch the games? That would be idiotic.}


Sentiment aside, idiotic was the wrong word Ed.

Do you know something I don't Ed? Why is he going to be watching?

Mascherano, Alonso, Torres .. Now Gerrard, Suarez and Reina? (Selling club)

Where is the 'pull', 'appeal' for possible transfers in, apart from a rich and proud history?

Lee YNWA (Bit blinkered, more worried) {Ed001's Note - because you just said to play him less! And selling an over the hill player does not make you a selling club, it is good sense. We need to appeal to up and coming players, not established superstars who demand huge wages. To do so, you have to give younger players a chance.}


No matter which way you dress it, Gerrard has turned his peak. He gets injured more often and takes longer to heal and that will only get worse as he gets older. In the centre of midfield you need to be able to play and sustain a high tempo high impact game for most of the match, for most of the matches in the season or you are a liability. Personally, he has always seemed to play better on the right and has an eye for goal. How about a front three - Suarez, Carroll, Gerrard.


I do like to contradict myself sometimes Ed.....;)

I didn't mean 50% say, just the Carling Cup for instance..maybe a few league games here and there..

I just love the guy, he's my hero! (violins)

Lee YNWA


Apart form paying him to watch us, to have such a prescence at the club with a face on all the time would be a disaster for any manager. Just look at the way he treated kenny... Now I personally don't think kenny is the man for the job but I would never undermine him like gerrard did. He's a disgrace


They do say love is blind!

As good as Gerrard is/was he ultimately has a negative effect on the team...I've said this for a long time! In order for Liverpool football to move forward we need to let Gerrard and Carra for that matter go.

Henderson, Lucas, Shelvey, Spearing and bring someone like M Sissoko to bulk up midfield...sell Adam (just dont need him)

Move Kelly to CB and bring in a backup RB for Johnson.

Couple of wingers (Sinclair, Ramries, Hoilett, Phillips etc) to add creativity and one additional striker to compete with Carroll, Suarez and Bellamy.

5 players in totally and then you will have a much more balanced team!


How much do you think Gerrard makes the club in shirts/jerseys?...


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:06:36
fact 1, were 8th
fact 2, were in relegation form in 2012
fact3, anyone else but dalglish would be sacked tomorrow.

why not.
there is no plan
they blew their budget last year and now they dont know what to do.

answer. 1, sack dalglish
2, sack comoli
3 sack the back room staff
4 do not sign up for the europa league
5 hire a proper manager
take your pick who. there are plenty of managers out there.
6 and most important of all. tell the fans the truth.


Where are the managers?
Who are the managers?

List the managers who have won the Premier League (after the breakaway from FA's league)

Lets check your IQ.....

LiverBird


What a numpty, maybe we should shut the gates on Anfield and all boycott the games. Priceless


You forgot about outing the board.


Tell me who these 'plenty of managers' are, who are good enough for Liverpool and who would come here, the list may be a lot shorter than you think!

Jimbo.


6 years ago newcastle were too big to get relegated. so were forrest. leeds. but whos to say were not too big to fail. truth hurts..


O'neill. ancholeti, avb, low, anyone is better than what we have now.


Looks like some people still love failure.. kennys safe then.


You lot still think were a big club. bazooka time lads. were a mid table cup side. end of. go hire big sam. he'd do a job


And what if the next manger loses five or six games in a row? Are we turning into Chelsea, sacking the manager every season?

Sell 50% of the squad? I still don't think we're that far away from top 4, and we've beaten most of the big teams this season.

Get Lucas back in there, plus a guy who can score goals and a creative midfielder, and watch this team go. We're not that far away IM very humble O.


Chelsea are playing tonight! where are we.... 8th


To the original poster, sign your work so that next time we can all just ignore it once we see it's your. thankyou
s.p


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:06:10
I think Sterling and Suso should be sent on loan to Stoke...seriously. They need to toughen/bulk up ASAP because we can't start including them in the 1st team picture while they are still half-baked.

McAlien


Get a grip. If they were to go on loan they need to go to a team who plays football


Loan sterling to Southampton and loan suso to Swansea.


"Get a grip. If they were to go on loan they need to go to a team who plays football"
-Got a good laugh out of this! Is is true that they play rugby on the Stoke pitch during the week (legit question. I'm not English, so I don's know)

McAlien {Ed001's Note - they play it on the Stoke pitch at weekends most of the time, even the fans sing rugby songs.....}


Sterling QPR/Swansea
suso?

adorjan to replace kagawa at Borussia Dortmund on loan

ngoo to replace m.suarez at anderlecht would do well same type of player to Lukaku

sama or mendy on loan to KRC genk


Sterling to Bolton Suso to Swansea

BthekingB


 

 

04 Apr 2012 19:02:04
I do not believe that we should not play sterling to prolong his carear he is talented enough to be taken from us in 5/6 years by a huge team which I believe we are not any more he is too young ATM but with now till pre-season In the gym to strenthen up. The lad clearly doesn't feel much tie to us because of the way these rumours have started to do with him wanting to go back to London. If we need him he plays forget the lengh of time his carear


 

 

04 Apr 2012 18:57:26
Eds, what do you think?
MUST READ ON CARROLL!
If you sent this to KK Carroll would be gone!

You want a sensible discussion about Carroll? I'll try my best.

When we bought Luis Suarez, we had spent years scouting him. We decided to bid for him and play him with Fernando Torres- a typical number 9, who was fast, played on the shoulder of the last defender and was capable of drifting to the wing to create space for attacking midfielders to run into. And he was a deadly finisher to boot.

That was Plan A. Suarez and Torres.

But then Torres decides to leave. And what do the people in charge decide to do with plan A? They flush it down the toilet. Instead of going and buying a player similar in style if not class to Torres to partner Suarez, as was the plan, the powers that be decided to buy the Torres' antithesis.

Instead of partnering Suarez with a mobile striker, they decided to partner him with a player with little movement. Instead of having a good finisher, with good football intelligence who thrived on first time balls on the deck, they went and bought a player who preferred a more direct approach.

Plan A well and truly ripped apart.

I never understood the logic in this. Anyone who's watched Suarez for us or Uruguay can see what it takes to get the best out of him: play him with players with great movement, good footballing brains who are adept at quick one touch pass and move football. But despite our years of scouting we decided to partner him with a player who had none of those attributes.

Carroll was injured for much of last season and Suarez thrived, scoring 4 goals (0% with Carroll on the pitch) and combining magnificently with Maxi, Kuyt and Meireles. All players with good footballing brains and movement, who understood Luis' game.

The few times Carroll was on the pitch it seemed their partnership was not working. West Brom, Sunderland, Arsenal saw 4 points and very little combination between the 2 players. The City 3-0 game gave us hope, as Carroll bagged 2 and created a chance for Suarez who hit the post. But then he got injured again.
With Carroll out we played Birmingham, Newcastle and Fulham, and won by 13 to 2. The movement and fluidity of the front 4 was a sight to behold at times. All interchanging postions, playing one touch football, combining well. All things that bring the best out of Suarez.

Carroll gets back in the side vs Spurs, and we lose 2-0 with very little combination between the 2 strikers yet again.

It was obvious to me then that we were going to have a serious problem incorporating Carroll. How do you fit such a player, who's at his best when offered direct football, in a team that plays the sort of football Luis Suarez thrives on? How the hell do you combine the two?

It's impossible in my opinion and this season proved my fear.
In the Summer, we decided to spend a small fortune on players designed to get the best out of Carroll. In the process, we got rid of one player who combined greatly with Suarez last year, Raul Meireles. This strategy is, in my opinion, is the direct reason why we're 8th in the league.

We had hit on a winning formula with Carroll out but because of his price tag, the powers that be felt forced to buy players to get the best out of him. Instead of targeting a rich man's Maxi, they went for a rich man's Mark Walters . Instead of a better Meireles, they went for a worse Meireles. Instead of a building on the blueprint of success we'd stumbled unto, they ripped it up.

All to justify why they bought Andy Carroll.
And how has Carroll repaid them? By putting in absolute average, lazy performances for 90% of the season. He's been, generally, absolutely woeful for most of the season. His touch has been awful, his goal threat non existent, his work rate questionable and his compatibility with Suarez invisible.

He's got 3 goals against premier league sides all season and one assist. I don't care if he cost 35m or 5m, it's nowhere near good enough.

More than that, his partnership with Suarez has looked, again, to be restricting the side. I know the arguments and stats out there: the ones that say that the mere sight of the Big Yin's pony tail makes Suarez's shots hit the post and go in instead of hit the post and go out. But the real stat that matters is that in all competitions, Raul Meireles has created as many goals for Suarez as Andy Carroll has. And Raul's played 15mn with Luis all year.

And vice versa too. Suarez has created two goals for Carroll in all competitions. Quite simply: they don't get. Suarez wants to pass and move, Carroll wants crosses and headers. They couldn't be more different if they tried. Defoe or Owen would thrive on Carroll's knockdowns but Suarez is a lot more than that.

I'm sick to death of the excuses people make for his poor form and attitude. I really am. First it was he's injured. Then it became he's not fully fit. Then it was we didn't have the players to get the best out of him. Then it was Kenny not playing him enough. Then it was because Luis was so good it made him look bad. Then it was because he wasn't fully fit. Then it was because Gerrard was out. Then it was confidence and he just needs a goal. Then it was moving to another city. Then, it was his age. Then, It was the fans fault. Then it was Kenny's fault again.

**** that. He's been close to woeful for most of the campaign. Yesterday was the last straw for me. He had 80m to make an impact against Newcastle, tripped over himself when clear on goal, completely messed up a 1-2 with Suarez, moved terribly for Shelvey and was then subbed off.

How did Carroll thank Dalglish for playing him yesterday? By running down the tunnel when subbed and shouting expletives at him. Instead of kissing the feet of the man who's taken so much stick defending him, he embarrasses him.

And, the killer is, people still find excuses for him. Apparently it was bad managing by Dalglish. Give me a ****ing break. The first person I've ever seen run down the tunnel swearing at the Liverpool manager. And people still want to absolve him of any blame.

Not me. I want him gone. First and foremost because I think he's the complete opposite of the player who can get the best out of our number 7. And secondly because I don't think he has anywhere near enough respect or affection for this club.

Rip up ****ing Plan B and go back to Plan A. Partner Suarez with a typical number 9, who is fast, plays on the shoulder of the last defender and is capable of drifting to the wing to create space for Lusi to run into. And who's was a deadly finisher to boot.

And condemn the Carroll fiasco to the annals of history.


I agree that Carroll is a donkey and should be sold ASAP but must take umbridge with the need for a no9. Last season we had luis,raul,maxi and dirk.
There is no number 9 there


Sounds wonderful. The only problem is, what about the times when Carroll wasnt on the pitch and Suarez was playing with Bellars, Kuyt, Maxi and Downing and we still couldnt win? Ah, so it must be all down to Meireles then, Hes the missing link! The player that Liverpool didnt get rid of but actually wanted to leave.


That post is brilliant and correct in every aspect

Chris in Tamworth


I take it you are blaming Carroll for all those 25 odd shots that have hit the woodwork. Or the fact that Suarez has only scored about 8 pl goals himself? It would be interesting to see how many times Suarez and Carroll have started in the Premier League this season and how many of those games we have lost. Anyone?

The Irish Rover


I am sorry but your assessment is mostly wrong.

You are correct in some places though.

1. Substituting Carroll at St James Park (prvly) was a bad piece of management. It humiliated him in front of people with whom he grew up. That was a BLUNDER.
2. He is not mobile and doesnt not have the desired UPSTART affinity to the pass and move type of football.

But some of the things you must observe abut him.

1. Who were our last 4 great signings? ---Reina,Alonso, Mascherano and Torres. Apart from Reina all have left the club and are playing at the peak of their careers for other clubs.

Why should we build our core around treacherous players who see Liverpool as a stepping stone and not a milestone in their careers?

Suarez has already said that he would like to play for Barcelona one day? Why should we sacrifice a very good local talent (Carroll) just because Suarez could play for us for a couple of years.

Sorry. I dont agree with that.

We must build our core around British players and then add 4-5 European/Latin American players so that their departure doesnt hurt us in the way the departure of the players mentioned above hurt us last time.

2. I would not sell Carroll because he is monster of a talent. A classic number of nine with a wonderful left foot. What he needs is support of fans and manager? He needs confidence and that come only come with a run of games under your belt.

For your kind example, Karim Benzema and Mario Gomez moved to Madrid and Munich resp. in the summer of 2009. They had a very bad first season (Benzema even a second) but their present stats (3rd seson) say 28 and 37 goals resp.

3. Liverpool fans are known to be the most knowledgeable in England. Though we are not from Liverpool, its our responsibilty to be the carriers of the legacy and heritage which is associated with Liverpool fans....

We should avoid acting like Chelsea, Arsenal fans who go after their managers every season.

Your thoughts and language is not the worst....So I expect that you are not among the foolish fans here who are all for knee jerk reactions.......

We have bought the correct players last season....We need to buy 4-5 more with some expected to leave (Aurelio, Cole, Kuyt/Maxi (maybe)).....

No one who came last summer will(should) leave.....

Take Stock of things....
We are progressing....Yes we have had a bad second half to the season but its not the disaster that the press wants you to believe.......

Stop reading the papers......most of them are anti Liverpool as Kenny wont lick their ass....

Believe in your club, manager , player and the true fans....

LiverBird


Fantastic post, I said it from day one. Carroll will go down as not only the most expensive flop in Liverpools history but the biggest in footballing history.

Ozone


Irish Rover must drink extra strong Guiness!


Excellent post. The reason we've won more games with Carroll on the pitch is due to the fact that he acts as a distraction for the defenders who otherwise would be marking our lone striker i.e. Suarez. We need a lot more than a 'distraction', we need a partner for Luis. A quick, mobile, intelligent striker. Had we had one from the start of the season, things would have a very different complexion now!

The Robin


LiverBird! He's a monster of talent? At doing what? Tripping himself up when it's easier to score! And you'd actually keep him! I don't think he lack's confidence! he do'snt want to be here! he do'snt like the set up or having his game analysed! He will be sold in the summer! Kenny knew the mistake he made by trying to offload him in January! Andy Carroll is not the future! Really hope he read the original post! As how big he is if he read that he would feel so small! As the original poster was only telling the truth!


Mario was prolific at stuttgart
ben-ze although young at the time had TWO GREAT ENDING seasons with lyon

first to last season scoring 31 with 10 assists
last season scoring 23 with 3 assists

carroll on the other hand had 6months of top flight experience and can't be compared to them form wise, goal wise, ability wise, anywise.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 18:30:12
Don't understand the love for rafa yeah he won the champions league with us and he got us to 2nd but has everyone forgot that we finished 7th the season he was sacked, it was the owners and rafa's fault and anyway he would bring us dozens of problems if he had to work with commolli and his politics would once again leave us in the $hitter.


Do you honestly think it was rafas idea to sell, torres, arbeloa, mash, and alonso. he was shafted...


Was certainly not his idea to sell Torres or Masch! I think his authority at the club had diminished somewhat by the time they left!

DP


Did Rafa sell Torres? Think now


His sacking laid down the foundations for torres leaving. he saw the future and got out.


No... That was the appointment of Hodgson. Rafa not being here had nothing to do with it. Am not a fan of rafa but to replace him with woy hodgson is beyond a joke and testament to how our club has been run over the past 20 years whoever has owned us

Peter


Rafa definitely made alonso to look for pastures new after being told he was no longer needed and barry is your replacement, oh wait no he isnt he doesnt want to come will you stay xabi, you what xabi you won't your going to real why xabi?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 18:19:43
Hey I just want to say that maybe people should lay of the eds not a bit but a lot, we as liverpool supporters (real ones) are all concerned for liverpool, we are not used to being in this mess and to blame the Eds for not telling you what you want to here is a joke. If they say cavani aint coming he aint coming, we need to rebuild a lot in the summer, quality players and there needs to be some quantity, we are not Man City with a bottomless pit of cash and neither would i want to be, liverpool will rise again in the next 2 years with the right players coming in and the right management team, lets not forget city have spent over 400 million on a team and what have they got to show the F**king FA Cup, wow hold me back we are liverpool FC we get behind the team! if players leave in the summer they leave if Dalglish goes he goes, that can be argued about in the summer, Gillet and Hicks caused this mess Dalgish may not be the best man for the job but at least hes trying could any of you do better, i dont think so, at the end of the day lay of the EDS lay of Dalglish, and the players and wait to see what the summer brings, maybe we do loose suarez and caroll and the rest of the dead wood will they be missed no WHY cause they will be REPLACED! we will be a force again in the next few years, by that time maybe Gerrard will be more on the bench and wont be the main man carrager (legend) will be gone and we will have young fresh leaders on the Pitch, we are not a team of egos like man city we are LIVERPOOL FC with the "best supporters in the world" so start showing it to LIVERPOOL FC THE EDS AND DALGLISH! Andy H a Real Liverpool SUPPORTER


All these professed real supporters-love to know how many of you actually go to matches


A lot more than you do it helps being a season ticket holder so how many is it you go to mate cant even leave a name obviously a REAL Supporter then eh ANDY H


I think Andy H is after a date with one of the Ed's! {Ed001's Note - 007 will date anyone, I will pass that on to him.....}


Ed001 Do'es Ed007 like his Martini shaken not stirred! {Ed001's Note - he likes them out of the belly button of Miss Moneypenny usually....}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 18:19:00
hello everyone

im a spurs fan..but my old man supports lfc so iv watched them over many seasons..

the only thing i wanna say is that, your team doesnt seem quick enough at doing everything they can to be title contenders or top 4! ive seen ac milan...juventus and real madrid suffer a few seasons ago ..remember madrid couldnt even get to a qtr final for ages...they used to lose heavily in the league...............milan having to drop many points and lots of top quality layers leaving and geting embarassed in the champions league by english teams etc...

but they all spent lots of money..because they had to get back to being one of the best!

now lfc is a big brand...so i dont know why they have decided to have a 5 yr or 10 yr plan to be at the top!

and u can see now...no hunger..no fight.........losing a game is just the norm attitude...theres no fear factor at your club......

and that brings me back to my point of the club doing everything they can to pull themsleves back to the top because they want the reputation back of being top class team and challenging against the best.

and theres nothing coming from lfc!

seriously...where is lfc going? next yr you only have the uefa so another season without challenging against the best in europe.

i sometimes think your team has lost that edge of being one of the best now..cos its been so long


Well said,no pace.desire,fight-all critical.Pace in particular


 

 

04 Apr 2012 18:14:48
a few stats fot three players we have been linked with -

Matias suarez
played - 38
goals - 17
assists - 20


Luuk de jong
played -44
goals - 27
assists -18


Dries mertens
played -42
goals - 23
assists -22


we can all see that these stats are incredible and any of these players would contribute alot too our struggling team

YNWA


Was it not stats that we signed all the flops we did. Commoli and henry and the poor excuse for a manager can put their stats where the sun don't shine


Stuart Downing
played -28
goals -0
assists -0


To be fair to downing even when he puts in a decent ball carroll is still on the half way and suarez is normally on the floor complaining to the ref when he should be making runs.


Didn't Downing, Adam, Carroll and Suarez all have wicked stats before joining LFC?

I seem to remember a colleague of mine who supported LFC bleating on and on about their stats last summer...apparently the stats showed that Downing is far superior to Young and so on and so on

he doesn't mention that so often these days though

Gav


Aren't rossi, Diego forlan, piqué, and Ronaldo all better players and in demand since leaving untied?


Noname - was that directed at me? dont quite get the relevance of your point?

the OP was about stats, my reply was about stats, what exactly are you getting at?

for info. though - all were promising players at United (apart form Forlan perhaps) and left for 1st team action or to join their dream club (Ron). I would say they are all better now YES.....but wouldnt you expect any player to get better as they develop into their peak years?

At 'Pool you seem to have the opposite effect on players nearing their prime!

Gav


 

 

04 Apr 2012 18:10:56
I would love for us to consider signing .....

- Jordan rhodes- huddersfield- age 22 - League1 top goal scorer with 35 goals, so not shy of hitting the net. Would be an awesome striker ( swap for Carrol haha )

- Berbatov- why not sign him if we can get him on a free. would be salt in the wounds of man utd. Another epic goal scorer

- Klaas-jan-huntelar- German leagues current top goal scorer- Shalke

-Roberto soldado- Valencia- currently scored 16 goals

YES... all the players i have suggested are forwards and score goals, as this is exactly what we need.

ED is it possible to get any of the above ? has there been any interest ? and is it possible to get berba on a free.
i did use the search functions and have read previous comments.

LTP THE RED

{Ed002's Note - Certainly Liverpool have shown some interest in Soldado as have Milan and PSG. At about 25M euro or more Soldado would not be cheap.}


Soldado will never sign for us, if you were in his shoes would any of you sign for a club that thinks winning a 2 bob cup is success.. no, were now a side show. thanks to dalglish.


How would you manage to get Berbatov for free? I'm all ears

Also, cannot see Soldado being temted to Anfield at present - he will be looking for a step UP the ladder surely, to a team competing in the CL perhaps?

Gav


Couple of young strikers in 1st div(one mentioned)deserve a punt.Cost a lot less than useless lump,and cant be any worse


Like losing to Basel and then losing to atlethic bilbao?


The loss to Bilbao occurred in the Europa League...you know that great tournament that will be the highlight of your next season

Gav


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:55:57
having watched the reserves this season, i would like to see big micheal ngoo in the first team squad , can beat 4 or 5 men , and score , but on the down side can miss a couple of sitters as well , but would give us something different up front , also raheem sterling on the left wing , we all know about , its just a question of not overplaying him in every match next season , a big plus is jesus suso , who can play forward or midfield , and midfield is where i would play him , he reminds me so much of modric , but he will score more goals as well , also its between jonjoe and hendo for centre midfield roles , maybe even pair them together in some matches, i would play stevie out wide , let these younger ones come through in midfield , plus young adam morgan could get a few games off the bench next season in the forward position , a few , 3 at the most really good summer signing and we are back in the race again , but charlie , dirk and a couple of others need to be moved on , de jong would be the perfect forward to go with luis up front , and with lucas back things will look better , but we really need to get behind the team , and accept it just has not worked out in the prem this season,if kk stays on as manager , he must not only learn from this seasons mistakes but put things in place so theres no excuses next season ................lfc


No excuses next season...why change the habit of a lifetime? ; )

(cough...woodwork, ref's decisions, bad luck, treated unfairly by FA...cough)

I thought it was always about 'next season' at Liverpool! Or it has been for as long as I remember anyhow...

Gav


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:47:50
I think Ian Holloway would be a great manager for us


I hope your joking {Ed002's Note - I have to say he is a really nice guy with a great sense of humour. But as manager of Liverpool, not so sure.}


I heard he bought every fan a pint after they won the playoff with plymouth argyle. He is a really nice guy and his wages would be cheaper than someone like mourinho, He on £5,000 a week at Blackpool and he done great job with very little he has had a blackpool.

Plus i think he would get decent performance out of our squad. We seem to have bought the kind of players able to play his blackpool formation.


Dear me is this what it has come to now... He's a really nice guy so give him the job. Our club is a laughing stock at the moment and the last thing I would want is Ian holloway managing us. Get a grip

Peter


Get a grip,and buy your own ale tightarse.What Ballotelli first team coach,cos he paid for peoples petrol?Cuckoo cuckoo


I'll have Ballotelli at striker


Kenny dalglish is a really nice guy


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:34:07
hi everyone just wanted to post this one.i really hope dalglish leaves even if its b4 the summer seriously i really dont like when his being interviewed extremely arrogant boring when he talks crap signings you name it.seriously do you guys thinks liverpool will beat villa and everton i dont see it also i was reading yestrday i agree that liverpool need a dominating and intimidating tough tackling mid.comoli is great but dalglish has to much power and thats why commolli need to listen to wat he say should have kept the players we offload last summer and instead of signings those dalglish babies.want benitez to return big time.am a hurt liverpool fans thks


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:20:39
Ed how many player do you think will leave this summer and which ones. {Ed001's Note - far too early to start guessing at that.}


15. with any luck


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:31:52
does Gerrard equal bums on seats. Regardless of talent. Punters want to see him.


People want to see success

Peter


Did wana see him


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:28:49
-----------Vorm----------
Kelly--Skrtel--Agger--Enrique
------Sissoko-Lucas-------
Susaeta--Ramirez--Downing
---------Huntelaar--------

Subs: GK, Coates, FB, Henderson, Shelvey, Phillips, Texeira

A life without Reina, Gerrard, Suarez & Carroll?

Mr.Hindsight


A future without them 4, depending on being shrewd in the transfer market, is a far brighter future than with them

Peter


Reina, Gerrard and Saurez are not the problem. The team should be built around these players abeit Gerrard is getting on now. FSG are looking to lower the age of the team but we still need Gerrards experience. Saurez is class and so is Reina


Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger/Kelly Enrique

signing Lucas Gerrard/signing Downing/Sterling

Saurez Signing


Were 8th. wake up were crap.. nobodys safe.. suarez above all. he is a luxury player. we need a goalscorer not a fairy


Suarez creater,not goalscorer really


Suseata?


Suarez is a goal scorer ask Ajax and Uruguay
we need to play 433 with the right players.

reina
johnson, skrtel, agger, enrique
gerrard CM, Lucas HM, Vargas CM
.......l.suarez.........g.ramirez.....
.............m.suarez ST


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:23:08
Agree if u think I'm right.

Kenny is a manager who is not bad at what he does. But what he does is a caretaker manager. One of which he is good at. He cannot compete with ferguson and wenger. We need to keep him as caretaker.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 17:07:54
Hi Eds few questions ive got, i hope you can help.

If Gerrard is past his best (which i think he is) why have we offered him a new long term contract?
And if we sell both Suarez and Carroll and release the other flops aqualani poulson etc how can we rebuild as we will need 2 new strikers, an attacking mid, a GK, a Right wing and Right back i know that liverpool dont have much money and selling these players wont bring in much by the time wages pay offs etc have been done, so we are going to be even further behind do you think FSG are going to give up on Liverpool after this? {Ed001's Note - no, they aren't intending to give up, they are just intending to bring in the right players and bring through the right players from the Academy as well.}


When Gerrard stops playing, he will be given a role within the club.


Yeah i know he will be an ambassador i just dont know why if they had the chance to get rid they decided to keep him they must see hes a disruption?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 16:44:42
Recently pepe reina's performance hasn't been that encouraging....he used to be too good and excellent in penalties..but carling cup final shootout i think he didn't do well..may b it is time for him to move on...and replace him with hugo lloris.what do u think,ed?

And is lfc looking for a cm next season?didn't they scout javi martinez some seasons ago?

YNWA.


I dont think he needs moving on, he just needs some good competition to remind him his place is not automatic.

Look how much better De Gea has been since Lindegaard put pressure on him.

Nevada


I think he has been looking a little dejected recently and may decide to move on himself. We may not have the choice to decide!


97%of pks aren't saved.


Maybe Nevada's right. Reina has pretty much had no competition for a while now, and even though this is bad; it can get boring. Giving him a challenge may make him step up. Regardless though, I still think he's a great Keeper. Yeah he's had a few mistakes, but so does everyone.

Thanks, Ell.


I think if you take Carra out of the back 4 you wouldn't have a problem with Pepe.


Along with Navada's point I think that we should sign a great Goalkeeper, but make him a younger one so that Reina has pressure and the young Keeper when Reina retires then he can be 1st pick

a good choice would be Marc Ter Stagenn (spelling)


De Gea looks a lot more comfortable since Fergie tightened up the defence. 'Pool are missing Lucas a lot more than we think; without him, one of the cbs moves out of position to go to an attacker with the ball. Also Carra's form this year when he's played is causing another problem. I think Pepe is reacting differently to how he normally does because of what's going on in front of him. Still a class act; form is temporary etc! We don't see many top teams with "competition" for the keeper's position - any very good keeper wouldn't be happy to play a bcak-up role.

sp


Nevada makes good points.And gib Carra


Sp- they actually increased his wieght by a stone and they also kept the crosses to be dealt by the defenders . He was and still is always a top notch shot stopper.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 16:13:04
Eds,

In your honest opinion, how screwed are Liverpool? do you think we will ever again match the ambitions our fans place upon LFC?

Is a (major) squad overhall likely or at all possible considering the nature of last summer?

Do you think kenny will be here next season?

Many Thanks

JTR

{Ed001's Note - the biggest issue is, to me, what do we do with Gerrard. He is the highest paid player, the wrong side of 30, spends a lot of time out through injury, is not playing well and far too many of the other players seem overawed by him. Do we stick by him and hope that he gets back to his brilliant best? If we get it right, whichever option we choose, the club isn't far away from challenging at the right end of the table again. Get it wrong and we will be struggling, no matter who is in charge.}


I think Ed001 is spot on,some very tough decisions have to be made this summer no question !

Baz F


That without doubt would be the first thing I would do if I was manager: to sell Ste Gerard. to the continent preferably. No manager will succeed while he is in the squad undermining everything. And let's face it what has he actually done since the fa cup final against west ham... Been injured and scored pens


It's not a tough decision, it's clear cut both him and Carra need to be moved on. I've heard that Carra taking his lad up for the carling cup presentation caused a bit of a stir. They've been fantastic and loyal servants but their time has come to an end. They aren't bigger than the club and need to move on.

Ozone


Ed001,
For all I have had, and retain, a belief in Kenny, I don't know if he's got it in him to cast aside Gerrard. You're dead on about other players being overawed - particularly the new and younger lads - of Gerrard's presence.
We were going OK at the start of the season with Lucas and Adam. I think Adam is a squad player mind you.
The problem is, if Gerrard stays, Kenny (or even another manager) will pick him centre midfield. And that does stifle the input of everyone else - all the other players constantly look for him.
Gerrard would be better off in the advanced position Rafa had him.
I am not sure about RM. Yes, going forward as good as anyone. But I think he doesn't like the tracking back bit these days which a RM would have to do.

The only light I can see, is if we get extra pace wide and a bit more creativity.
I am conscious we're giving SG a bit of a verbal kicking here. But I am sure as well that the lad is back to the trying to do too much sysndrome, but is lacking the fitness / legs to get everywhere as he did when he was younger.
I hope we get some pace in to allow him still to flourish, like Giggs or Scholes at Utd. They use their skill and experience to enable others now. Not try to do it all themselves.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - whereas I think he has been badly coached and doesn't do enough. He is slow to get back and leaves us wide open defensively far too often for my liking. He has been allowed to get lazy and think his attacking prowess makes up for that. We have looked better without him in the team for years, it has just got more and more noticeable.}


I think you have asked possibly the most 'spot on' question I have heard relating to our present situation .

Qwerty


Totally disagree. Gerrard is not the same player we remember but he's still a class player. The issue comes down to management- hate to use them as an example but look at how effectively gigs ad scholes have been used. Manage him better and put some decent players around him for a change! He has carried our team for years and now when he needs our support we should stick by him!
DES


Ed001 I couldnt disagree more to be honest.

You guys will put the blame on anyone but Dalglish, its unreal. Gerrard has started about 15 games after coming back from a very long injury. You cant just expect him to start churning out performances. Our failure has nothing to do with Gerrard. His lack of form has only confirmed what we knew all along...we are a one man team and if Gerrard doesnt perform then the team fails.

You need a big time manager like Mourinho or Benitez who will come in, show everyone who's boss and lead from the front. With any of these 2 in charge Carragher or Gerrard will not get the opportunity to undermine anyone.

Dalglish has failed with the signings, failed with formations, failed with tactics, failed to get the best out of players, has failed to handle the media properly and has played players out of position...Dalglish is to blame full stop.

Do you really believe we'd be 8th with the same squad under Mourinho? I dont think so. Dalglish failed to replace Lucas, failed to replace meirelles and failed to bring in another striker. Ed001 how can you put the blame on Gerrard when its so clear who the real problem is? The poor guy has so much pressure on him week in and week out. This mess is Dalglishs doing and nobody elses.

It will not get better under his management. Look what benitez did with arguably a worse team than now in 2005? It is absolutely the manager that is the issue, not the players.

I am starting to really dislike Dalglish and I was always worried this would happen. His interviews with all his excuses just makes me lose respect for him. He is weak-willed and not made of the same stuff as Benitez or Mourinho, they would not tolerate all this nonsense.

Did you guys see Carrolls dive the other night? I couldnt believe my eyes and had to watch it over and over on youtube. If he did this under Ferguson or Redknapp or Benitez or Mourinho he would never play for their clubs again. Instead Dalglish comes out and defends the guy, you couldnt make this stuff up, its unreal.

Leo {Ed001's Note - if that's so, and clearly it isn't, why is it that results nosedived the minute Gerrard came back into the team? Why is it everyone else plays worse when he is around? It is you that has the issue with Dalglish, not me. You are a petty man who tries to blame everything on Dalglish, when it would not matter who is in charge if Gerrard is still here. Just the same as it does not matter who is in charge of Chelsea while Lampard and Terry are there.}


Ed001,
Would you *deep breath* sell Gerrard ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - yes, but then I would have sold him a couple of years back myself, his injuries are likely to get worse as he gets older.}


Ed001, you're spending too time in the company of Ed002 !
He's a subversive influence. Lol.
The Real KB


Cheers Ed.

What do you think the liklihood is of getting another DM in? Maybe in the form of Yann M'Villa who I think would be excellent for us.

Obviously the wid eareas have been addressed. But I can't see Liverpool selling both Carroll and Suarez and then buying three more 'top' strikers. Do you think that there is this possibility?

Many Thanks

JTR {Ed002's Note - Right now we know that Inter Milan, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Manchester City and Juventus have all shown a determined interest in M'Vila and perhaps PSG will become interested as well. Liverpool have not really shown much consideration of the player and I am not certain that a DM is on the cards. However, Dinamo Zagreb's Milan Badelj has been looked at by Liverpool along with Lazio, Spurs and Palermo. I would certainly not be surprised to see both Carroll and Suarez depart - perhaps to be replaced by two strikes and a versatile midfield player a la Ramirez. We will see.}


Unbelieveable blaming gerrard, you people will blame anyone but kenny.


I think the problem is a mix of both sides of the argument. Gerrard is what he is, an attacking, creative midfielder. I agree with ed01 he is not great at tracking back but with the right tactics it's not too big a problem, rafa solved it with with alonso and macsh


Sorry, cut myself short.

Like I was saying rafa solved it, yet kenny does not have the same players and it is hard to compare when both squads are so different.

When it comes to players always looking to him on the pitch, I think they need to look at themselves and say is it really fair to keep relying on this one man? Gerrard is not going to change the way he plays to make a squad feel better it's up to them to go out there and try and match him!

In all I would not sell gerrard, I would use him at what he is good at and try to compliment him with other players in the squad that won't be intimidated.

With the right tactics and players, Steven gerrard will have a lot more to give in his final years and I for one would not want to part ways with someone a special as he has been

Mullylfc LFC


I cant believe what I'm reading..I grew up with Gerrard and Owen as my two heroes..selling Gerrard would ruin me like selling Owen did. I agree that as a team they do seem to perform better without him.

Having said overall these are lesser quality players that seem to have no confidence in their own ability when compared to the 08/09 team. In their eyes Stevie is the only one that can do something special and no doubt he feels the same.

The team has been starved of quality for the past two years. If there were better players around him who have belief in themselves and who felt they were on par with him talent wise, I don't feel we would have this problem.

Long story short we need better and more experienced players.

GuvTOB


Gerrard has more about him than the rest put together! ,done more for lfc than rest put together !,different class and although "wrong side of thirty " class does not leave ,Hence thats why Whiskey nose plays Scholes and Giggs and things started to go wrong when Agger got injured !, ant


Ed001 you are right maybe I am petty but only because I have known all along that Dalglish is not right for the job. I posted countless times on here regarding his tactical ineptitude and his terrible judgement on players and it fell on deaf ears so yes I am petty and I wont apologise for being so.

I have to disagree about our form nosediving when gerrard came back in the side...our form dropped drastically ever since Lucas got injured. Our form was a bit off even before Gerrard came back in.

Gerrard is not the box to box high energy high intensity player he used to be but he is still a cut above anything else we have...getting rid of him would be suicidal.

If anyone goes it has to be Dalglish, he just really has to go. Honestly im through with arguing and debating about it. Everybody knows he is not upto the job and are just allowing their sentiment for him to blind them from the truth.

I dont have a problem with the man on a personal level as I do not know him personally but we've got to start adopting a "big team" attitude and start bringing in world class proven players, world class proven managers and world class proven coaches. If this means trimming the playing staff by 2 or 3 to free up money so we can afford the best staff then it has to be done.

Leo
{Ed001's Note - sorry but you can't expect a manager to manage when you have a player with so much power. Gerrard is not even a cut above Spearing on recent performances, it has been years since he has been our best player. At best he is an impact sub, but he is paid far too much for that role, it is suicide to keep a player like him at the club as things stand. It is time to move on for him, for everyone's sake. You cannot have any player doing what he did on the pitch to the manager, it doesn't matter if the manager is the right man for the job or not, it is a disgrace. At the end of the day, Gerrard is a player and his job is to do as the manager tells him.}


Edd1think you got it wrong bout gerrard when he playedunder rafa as rw still got 20 goals and even said in his book rafa made him an a better player but treated him like a player not a friend this is were kenny in my opinion is going wrong with the hole team he is trying to be everyones best freind witch doesnt work ok sometimes players need an arm round them now and again but thats were it should end (witch rafa lacked but if he did that now and again he would be top class) so kenny needs to get tough stamp his authorty on everyone like the saying goes there no friends in buisness {Ed001's Note - Gerrard is better wide right in my opinion, but he threw his toys out of his pram about playing there.}


Edd1 wat did gerrard do on the pitch to dalglish? {Ed001's Note - did you not see him telling Dalglish to get off the pitch?}


Thats because that is the position where you have to do the most work.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 16:16:38
am with kenny all the way,i love kenny,kenny is and always will be my idol,i will stick by his side forever,if the fans turn and call for his head it will be a sad day in our history,through his playing days and early manergerial carear hes gave us his all so now when weve hit a bad patch its are time to give kk something back,let him feel the love and warmth and support,the king will rise again,so stay united and we will march together,...shammon


I personally feel its unfair to talk about gerrard this way, I'm sure with a pre season under his belt and Lucas back in the side we will see a much better gerrard. I know he hasn't been consistently great but when he came on against Newcastle, everton at home, spurs first half, man city away, he played fantastic and played like a game winner, he may not be able to bust a gut box to box in the next few years but he can sit there and spread the balls for wingers all day long!

G BOX


 

 

04 Apr 2012 16:07:11
My outs:
Carra (retirement)
Doni (home)
Adam
Maxi
Kuyt
Cole
Aurelio (free)
Aqua
Pacheco
Sterling (if he has an attitude GTFO)
GJ
Pepe (if he wants to go)

Ins
GK Zieler (Hannover)
CB Paletta (Parma)
RB suggestions???
RM Martin (Sochaux) or Perez (Villareal) 10m or less
ST/CF De Jong would be first choice
And Hoilett (isn't he a free?)


Hold on Palletta? The same Paletta we sold? Who was rubbish every time he played?


Get shut of Gerrard and Suarez, holding liverpool back. not good enough anymore

G.Baker


Totally agree g.baker. I would even extend that to reina aswel. Time to build a squad all pulling in the same direction instead of a squad with a sprinkling of overhyped egos

Peter


Carra will not walk away ,as he still has a year to run on his lucky 2 yr contract which was rushed through by Purslow, days before our new owners arrived.I know at the time Ed01 questioned that decision.The Carra brigade said that he should have got a longer one.Carra will not walk away, as he feels he can still do the job.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:44:40
great website guys. i was thinking about something. when hodson was in charge, he got sacked after the blackburn match. a couple of days later we played in the fa cup. we play blackburn next week. if we lose that match, could kenny get sacked?. then after that match we have an fa cup semi final. i don't know why but is seems like the situation follows a certain pattern. what do you guys think?. thank you. {Ed002's Note - You probably want the conspiracy page. What colour socksl was Hodgson wearing when he got sacked?}


Thankyou David Icke LOL

Blue247


The last time that Kenny resigned was after Liverpool failed to beat Everton in the F.A.Cup and I had steak and kidney pie and chips with peas (non-mushy) for my tea.


He wasn't wearing any socks..... {Ed002's Note - I have never had mushy peas in my life.}


Mate you have a good memory i cant remeber what i ate last night


That's 'cos he has steak and kidney pie and chips with peas (non-mushy) for his tea every night...

Dr S. Atire.


It's because I was on holiday in Liverpool. We can't but steak and kidney pie here (the Dutch are still uncivilised). Ed 002 don't EVER try mushy peas - they produce mushy Ferguson! By the way Dr S.Atire - I'd chande my name if I was you - it's an anagram for 'is retard!'
Dutchmal


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:40:43
Hi Ed's. I'd just like to know, what would you realistically like to see happen with LFC? Would you like any players leave? Any players you'd like to see come in? I understand this isn't Football Manager, but I do think some (not too many) changes need to be made. What are your opinions on this? Is there anyone that catches your eye that you'd like to see play for 'us' that I maybe haven't heard of?

Thanks, Ell. {Ed002's Note - You need to just read through the posts - I have no interest in getting involved in fantasy speculation. Perhaps regular readers can respond.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:39:56
Gerrard the cog?

Is Steven Gerrard still the driving force behind Liverpool? or has he simply become a cog in the machine?

Its debatable and very difficult to pin point. We have not seen the best of his ability for perhaps maybe 2 years now. Largely due to his injury woes and the general poor play of our team over the same time span.

For me though, I have yet to see the Gerrard from our FA cup winning year re-emerge. Occasionally we have had a flash of the old Gerrard brilliance, but thats all though. Just flashes, not full seasons or even full games anymore. While I have no issue with him, he's been an excellent servant to the club and time catches everyone (apart from Giggs it seems). He can be proud of what he achieved at Liverpool even if he retires without the league winners medal we all want him to have.

We cannot however wait any longer to properly replace him. He needs to be replaced now and given more of an impact role in the team. This will keep him fresh for big gamesand also lessen the burden on him (which I think if nothing else KK has done remarkably already). Who could be his replacement though? Its hard to replace someone of his calibre, not just in quality but in diversity too, he has literally played in every postion except goal and been outstanding in all.

We need someone who can step into the role now. Unfortunately box to box players with guile and finesse like him dont really exist now. Its either someone with a good engine and power (like many africans) OR someone with skill and guile (like many spaniards). Keeping this in mind I would like to see us replace the guile and finesse side of his game as I think Lucas is perfectly capable of filling in the defensive and lung busting aspects of midfield.

Ideas for replacement anyone?

I think given time Jonjo will be a very able replacement but he is a good couple of years away yet.

Sissoko has been touted and I watched him a few times since we were linked, he is good but he has no guile or finesse. Against teams playing all men behind the ball I dont think he has the footballing intelligence to break them down.

For me Kagawa would be an excellent replacement but may struggle with the physical EPL style, I was told last year that he wouldnt leave in Jan (which he didnt) and that he would be open to leaving this summer.

Nevada


When sissoko's ideas work, they are amazing.


Gerrard doesn't break them down either, he puts his head down and steams on wards also he is in the right place at the right time to meet the ball for a wonder or a neat kick.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:39:40
Nobody is bigger than the club. Kenny must explain why the team is faltering, despite his constant ramblings in the press that they have done fantastically well. So, much about doing things the Liverpool way (behind the scene) yet the man spends most of his time granting cringe worthy interviews to the press. Yes, a written report is as good as a spoken one. He should write and explain why things aren't going so well any longer. After all, the club is paying him to manage the team. Kenny is not the only ex-player who did well for LFC, yet he is still in the payroll of the club while the others are not. Remember Tommy Smith who recently had to sell his medals just to cope. The point is if the others have moved on, I see no reason why Kenny shouldn't move on as well. The whole situation under him has become so embarrassing.

On the business side, I hope Warrior Sports could still manage to recoup their massive investments on shirt sponsorship, considering that no one would be in a haste to buy a jersey with Carrol, Henderson, Downing or Charley Adam named behind it. This is just a tip of the iceberg. If urgent steps are not taken to address this downward slide of the mighty LFC, the club could find itself in a bigger mess than it could cope with.

And for those who want to hang on to the euphoria of cup success to sustain this current show of shame, I would counter by saying that Liverpool for me is too big a club to be held back by domestic cup success, something it has achieved more than a dozen times. Simply put, cup success don't mean that much to us in this modern days compared to elite football because that's the only way we can compete favorably with the other top guns.

Kenny has done his best and he should step aside and let someone with fresh ideas move us forward from where he stopped.

Home Truth


You sound just like a spoilt 20 year old who wants everything yesterday. Support LFC at all times, that's what you need to think about.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:38:07
Hi Eds, All, I dont want to wade into the "Will he, wont he" debate around Kenny's future. There are plenty of posters covering this ad nauseum. The subject I would like to broach is the "this is a results industry" ethos......Whilst I do not disagree with this mindset, I think we as fans need to think beyond this. Identity, pride and passion are, in my opinion at least, equally important. What I mean by this is there are certain aspects of a manager's reign that cannot be evaluated by results or statistics.

A personal example from me is the following - Whether we win or lose the FA cup, miraculously attain a top 4 spot, or lose every game between now and the end of the season, appointing Kenny has been undeniably positive. In order for me to reach this conclusion, I need only point to one event since his appointment - 3-0 up against UTD at Anfield, suddenly the Anfield crowd start singing "Happy Birthday" to Kenny. I for one am not ashamed to say I welled up at this point (as did KK). Not because of the result and not because we were spanking our old enemy, but because this is what LFC means to me. The connection between fans, players and manager, the holy trinity. If I was given the choice of a Top 4 finish with, let's say, Mourinho in charge, or to have experienced the moment at Anfield above, I would choose the latter. In a heartbeat.

I am not trying to have a go at any fans or posters on this site, merely putting across what is important to me. I hate to see us lose in the fashion we have recently. Nor am I blindly defending our manager, as I believe he does have questions to answer. I am merely saying there is more to life than results and statistics.

I will close with two questions - "Do you judge the success of your life on the size of your house or your bank balance? What tangible results/stats are an indicator of your happiness?"

Philosophical drivel? Possibly. Thought-provoking? I hope so....

Cheers,

JF {Ed002's Note - Dalglish was the perfect choice to steady the club last season after what had gone before. Sadly, I think it was a mistake to offer him the job on a full time basis as the way forward. Like it or not, the club is a business and an investment for the owners. Nobody is looking to take away the "identity, pride and passion" but Liverpool is not a benevolent fund - and everyone at the club knows that.}


Appreciate your thoughts Ed002, thank you. I am not suggesting FSG would try and take away the passion, identity etc. Nor am I suggesting that Kenny should be kept on sentiment alone (not even suggesting he should've been appointed permanently). In fact, I hope they are as objective and unbiased as possible. This is their role. They are the hirers and firers and are ultimately responsible for the success of the club.

I guess what I am trying to say is, we should leave the evaluation of results/stats to the board and focus on enjoying supporting our team. Perhaps it's just me getting old, but I dont go to watch the team to watch us win, just to watch us....

Apologies for the extended, dribbly reply. In a very ponderous mood today.

Ed002 - you're a star mate, always appreciate your input, thank you. Have you come to terms with the fact you're an honorary Red yet? We dont invite just anyone in you know ;) {Ed002's Note - I appreciate the honorary (or should it be ornery) reds status. I suspect that they have learned their lesson in objectivity from last year and regardless of whether Dalglish moves aside this summer or sees out his contract, I suspect the good of the club will be the primary driver for the future.}


Good responses Ed


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:35:23
Your thoughts on the following players please ED
and their chances of being a RED this summer.

Perez (Villareal)
IMO ideal for RM and would not cost a lot

Berg (Hamburg)
IMO very talented and would flourish at LFC

And in an outside the square question - why is Romero .... one of Argentina's top 3 keepers playing with a Serie B team? Did he get into trouble at his last club? Surely he would be a handy back-up or even successor to Pepe if he chooses to chase a championship medal in another league. {Ed002's Note - I really don't want to start comparing random lists of players, so we can skip that. As for Romario, I imagine he wanted to play regularly rather than sit on the bench.}


Who is berg? I watch bundesliga and never heard of him. Ever.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:56:49
Eds if we sell suarez, for what reason would it be?
Because he said hinself that he wants to stay and also the club (ian ayre) has made it clear that he is going nowhere.

Cheers {Ed001's Note - IF he is sold it will be because he has not scored enough, not been able to play enough games and because of his stupidity in getting involved in an incident he should have avoided. But he won't be sold on the cheap, it would have to be an offer that suited us.}


Ed what sort of money do you think they would be looking for? 40-50m {Ed002's Note - A lot less than that. I would think that the club may look for about £30M which is not too far above what teh four interested clubs may be willing to pay.}


Madrid, juve, inter, and .....?


There is nothing to indicate that Luis Suarez will be sold. Indeed, it appears as if, as you have indicated, both he and some important representatives of the club are very much in favour of him staying. I believe that it would be a major problem and a very disturbing sign if Liverpool were to sell arguably their best player, and especially for a fee as low as £30 million. It would certainly be difficult to buy a similarly talented player for the same price.

Red Owl


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:56:10
Have been a season ticket holder since 1984 and could only make it to 2 f.a. cup games this season due to working shifts, I received an email today kindly letting me know I have been unsuccessful in the ballot for a ticket for the semi. Just wanted to thank Liverpool for there unswerving support to fans such as myself, yet again treated like sh**te by the club! Oh ye, and they had the cheek to send me a seperate email asking me would I like blackburn tickets, what's the matter can't sell those one's then!

Waro


You and me both mate.
Looks like I'll be paying (the operative word) a visit to the 'fellas who can do' again.
The Real KB


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:51:48
Liverpool should try and get usami from Bayern munchin great young player


I'm sure that Usami was in a list of good young japanese players compiled by Rewflo in december. He is very good but inexperienced.

Nevada


You Are Rewflo.....Yes?

GuvTOB


Lol well spotted nice self promotion nevada


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:34:43
Rafa and almost every England manager have known that the price you pay for the attacking brilliance of stevie g is large gaps in midfield. Rafa played him wide then with 2 holding midfielders in the same team when he played in the middle.
England have never liked him and lampard in the middle, and we have been caught out, stevie came back and Lucas got injured and since then we have looked vulnerable to the counter attack.
I have been saying on here for a long time we were short a quality holding midfielder, to give the option of playing 2 or cover for Lucas.
Adam and Henderson are attacking mids and I'm sorry but spearing is not good enough for us, he sometimes gets away with it when we play him as a holding 2.
This side is not far off though, a defensive mid and an attacking right maybe ferr and de Jong from fc twente?
RNred


RNred,
Do you know that the day after the Man City Carling Cup semi second leg (those heady days long ago !), I had to go over by the Thames Estuary on business. Going up the river was a RN vessel. I had to do a double take cos there was a f'in huge Liver Bird on the side of it !
Lol. I'm thinking, is the captain a Liverpool fan or what ?
It turns out it was HMS Liverpool, going into London to dock.
But it was great timing mate.
All the best, good posts too.
The Real KB


Yeh i agree. everyone raves about gerrard's gut busting runs back into defence to tackle the opposition player, but that shouldn't happen if gerrard had been tracking that player like he is told to do


 

 

04 Apr 2012 15:31:55
i am just wondering what would have rafa done had he been given 100million at once like kk got, would he be spending it on henderson, carroll, downing. would these youngsters be his first choice even if he were to follow FSG resale value strategy. i am just wondering how much of a championship team would he have been made us, anyway its just imagining. in kk we trust. YNWA

redh0t


Despite what people may think rafa was backed quite often.

Torres £22million
Alonso £14million
Babel £11million
Aquilani £20million
Mascherano £18million

Rafa was not as poor as some people like to make out.


In KK no one trusts he will get us relegated he is not wanted


Rafa's net spend was £15m p.a.


He sold bellamy, garcia, Sinama-Pongolle and cisse for torres
4m, 2.7, 7.5m, 6m= 20.2m

Mascherano was including his wages and sign on fees

he made 40m by selling players in 07-08
these players were the first team squad
cisse 6m
bellamy 7.5m
garcia 4m
gonzalez 4m
Paletta 1.2m
Sinama-Pongolle 2.7m
Mohamed Sissoko 8.25m
= 33.65m
and some reserves and loaned out 18 others to make it around 40m

then got

torres 20m
babel 11.5m
mascherano 17m
skrtel 6.5m
leto 1.8m
Itandje 1.4m
lucas 6m

= -64.2m - +40m
= -24.2m

and 30m was the transfer kitty for that summer if i'm not mistaken.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:54:45
Hi ED's, I know kenny is still in charge, but with inter milan appointing their youth manager as caretaker manager, and sporting lisbon appointed their youth coach to permanent manager. Would rodolfo borrell be interested if asked to be liverpools manager? Do you reckon FSG would consider him? I know ifs and buts, but he has coach the youngsters and has FSG are going down the youth policy, he would be ideal, or is he dead set on developing kids? Just a option! Do u think kenny will be manager still, if we lose to villa and blackburn? {Ed002's Note - As you say it is all idle speculation and we have no interest in getting dragged in to trying to answer such questions.}


If not manager I think it would be great if he was inviolved in the first team set up. I get the feeling Kevin Keen ain't that great.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:47:55
We bid 35m for Carroll who if I remember rightly was also injured at the time, to say I was incredulous would be an understatement. If a person like me could see that that was a massive gamble at best and completely w**kerish at worst what does that say about the people who sanctioned it.

This drive to get a 'British' spine to the team has been short-sighted and amateurish to boot. Henderson is a case in point, we have young players in our reserves nay under 18s who have shown more promise than this lad. Its not his fault mind he didn't transfer himself or pick himself every week regardless of his non participation on the football field on all levels. I wont go into the deficiencies of Downing and Adam as others have done that a thousand times.

Some lament the fact that we should have brought in a backup striker in the last window. I personally think Dalglish was not trusted to spend any more money and was basically a precursor to what will happen in the summer, which will see KK banished to the boardrooms again and a fresh younger man taking the reigns. Will we ever see the higher echelons of the EPL or champs league? That all depends on what will be the most important transfer of the summer, our next manager.
Slimboy


FFS - Henderson is, and always will only be a central midfield player, and most times he's played in the side someone somewhere thinks he is a right winger, is this purely a Liverpool disease -Kuyt, out and out CF in Holland Fatman plays him right wing, Cisse, outright CF, Houllier plays him on wing - the list is almost endless, even the kids, Kelly, a born centre half, lets play him right back.

It appears all the Lucas knockers have now turned their attention to a Henderson - and again, given the chance they will be proved wrong.

John B


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:46:03
Istanbul 2005 ....Half time A.C. Milan 3 Liverpool F.C. 0 The Red Men totaly dejected in the dressing room(quote from Jamie Carragher after the game)
Liverpool Fans singing their hearts out in a desperate attempt to rally the team for one massive effort to get something out of the game, ( if only pride.) in the second half. Rafa Tries a few words of encouragement.
"Do it for them out there " says the boss. " try and get one goal something for them to cheer" rafa insists.

Rafa's words of encouragement may of helped in some way. his second half changes and tactics certainly helped. But what inspired the REDS was the fantastic support shown by our Fans in spite of the first half humiliation. they just wanted some respect back, A win probably , with most Liverpool fans; was out of the question. All the fans required was a liittle more spirit and a beeter performance. and a goal if possible without conceding any more.

We all know what happened and I believe the fans can take a lot of credit for the fantastic outcome of the game. True Rafa and the team did brilliant for the remainder of the game but the fans never say die attitude, loyalty and wonderful support was the true inspiration behind this incredible win.

Things are not going well lately to say the least and its true some players are not up to scratch and KK has made some dubious decisions. But we must get behind the team until the end of the season and show the rest of the world that we deserve our reputation as one of the very best fans in the world, and we truly believe the sentiments of Y.N.W.A.

I don,t believe that all the fans who watch Liverpool.F.C. at Anfield in the premier league are true fanatical supporters. so many don't know the songs or the real Liverpool way. People talk about the prawn buttie brigade at Old Trafford. Well i'll tell you something there's plenty of them at Anfield. It's like being at a library most games. Apart from Man utd. Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea it's s**t atmosphere. It surely is not a coincidence that our best performances are against the above mentioned.

I know ticket pricing and availability prevent lots many fans making the games but i don't why the real loyal fans never show up or make their voices heard.

If we could create the atmosphere more often at Anfield, we would win more games.

My request not demand is to give all your support to the team for the rest of the season and make some big noise!!
We still have the chance of of winning the FA cup and can win the rest of games in the Premier league.

changes are needed in the summer and certain things need to be addressed. Even if we win the FA cup, we all know in general it's been a poor season in the league and we want better. however that's for the summer and if we don't want things to get any worse lets do our part as true fans and get right behind the team for the remainder of the season and don't let outsiders hear our griping about the Reds. Let's show the whole football world the real meaning of being a great Liverpool Fan.

RED ROBIN.


Redd robinnn .... Yummmmm


I was at Istanbul 2005 singing YNWA at half time with tears streaming down my face. When we won I was in dream land. What support. what a night. Best in my life.
YNWA


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:45:24
Hey Eds

Just a quick question for you. If FSG'S plan with transfers is to sign youngsters, ie Andy Carroll 35 million , Jordan Henderson 16 million and maybe in the future try to recoup the transfer fee or maybe more, then who the hell in there right mind would think they could make a profit on these players or even break even, even if they were playing well and scoring?

Thanks

Thatracconstolemybacon {Ed002's Note - There is a lot of misinformation being pushed around about FSG and transfer policy.}


Quite right Ed002! - Racoon - It is not so much about making a profit from their future sales. More that they will actually have a reasonable resale value. If we can get 5 good years out of Henderson and then sell him for a similar fee to what we paid for him, then that's a very good bit of business. The flip side would be buying a ready-made first team player in his late 20s/early 30s. Yes he may offer more on the pitch immediately, but after say 3 years he would be worth very little, certainly not enough to replace him.

JF


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:33:13
I am a 39 year old man with Liverpool FC in my soul. Im fortunate enough to remember the glory days under Shankley (just) Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish and Rafa. Unfortunately Im also old enough to remember the dark days under Souness and Hodgson. I'm indebted to Kenny Dalglish for giving me footballing orgasms for the way he played the game with that massive grin on his face, made the game look so easy with that abundant talent for me he was the greatest ever Liverpool player of all time. So it saddens me to see Steven Gerrard and the Ponytail treat him so disrespectfully in front of millions of people worldwide. Yes I think it's time for Kenny to step aside I hope Im proved wrong and he is successfull next season if given the oppurtunity but who the hell do Gerrard and Caroll think they are abusing a 'legend' like that? Gerard needs to take a long hard look at himself and start producing as hes been awful since hes come back from injury, I would have Shelvey in his place all day long and dont get me started about AC. Ive seen Vanessa Feltz move faster than him and Raheem Sterling winning more headers. Why there hasnt been a supporters backlash on here for the disrespect these two have shown I dont know?

Whatever you think of KD the least he deserves is some dignity

Miami_Red


If I may as a spurs fan reply to the post, forget carroll & focus on gerrard! I've seen this twice before! graham roberts v anderlecht uefa cup final waving general burkinshaw away, martin johnson v australia world cup final waving woodward away, these three players were in my eyes adrenalin pumped, they were in the now, in complete control, they didn't need a cold body interfering, it looks rude it may appear to
be rude but its knowing as a captain the mood of the team , the confidence of his team and the spirit of his team?

but those three players knew the mood if his fellow


He deserves a p45 the worst manager in europe for money spent and points gained.


Ur only 39! I can't barely remember shanklys rein and I'm 46


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:29:11
Hi Eds,
I was just wondering what is your take on Ola Toivonen and if we can't any of our main targets why not try him? {Ed002's Note - I have no "take" on him. Try writing a "Dear Kenny" letter.}


In the early 90's one of my friends (a utd fan) wrote to Fergie and pleaded the merits of signing chris waddle.

A week later he receieved a letter back, supposedly from Alex (but more likely a secretary with his signature attached) advising that even though he felt Waddle was a good player he made the decisions at united and would not be signing waddle. 100% true story.

Nevada


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:27:05
ok eds, do u now anymore on suarez signing an exstention on his contract.
thanks {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:23:31
liverpool should buy 2 top strikers like levezza and
cavani no need to sell adam or henderson let carrol go on loan


Just as easy as that? Get real, transfer fees, wages, would they come to us, does the management want them, would the fit into a pattern of play that the managements wants? So many different questions that need to be answered. It is not really like football manager you know.
Robbie


You have no idea. You might as well have written 'LFC should win the EPL next year, that would cheer everyone up'


Can we get messi too?


Personally, i think its worst to reply to a post like this, by saying "Lets sign Messi"....


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:18:46
Eds - you know everything. Everyone asks your opinion. Should I have Fish & Chips or Shephards pie for my dinner tonight? {Ed002's Note - I would have something much better and a little healthier to try and keep the blood flowing. Perhaps a little salmon with watercress and pasta in a lemon sauce.}


Thx ed002: i will. You are a genius.


There's load's of the prawn sandwich brigade on these page's!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:18:16
Been told the owners will not accept defeat against villa. The end is near mr dalglish


Hope you are right


Who told you? Are you in with the in crowd?
Robbie


So will you be cheering on villa then? Liverpool supporter my apse

BAS


What part of that did he say he will be supporting villa you muppet


Did the owners bicker amongst themselves about who was gonna tell you first!?!?


Isn't there one owner? {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:12:05
hey eds

im going to watch liverpool vs chelsea, do you think i could see suso or sterling play?

also out of all our reserve players who do you think is the best, your personal opinion

and finally who is the reserves top scorer?

{Ed002's Note - (1) I have not yet chosen the team for the Chelsea game so you need to wait. (2) I have no opinon to give on such matters - how would anyone compare a goalkeeper and a striker? (3) You can easily find the stats for the kids somewhere.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:04:13
"There's no such thing as bad luck, only bad technique."

These are words spoken by Roberto Baggio when asked by a local journalist if he felt unlucky after hitting the post twice in a game for Fiorentina.

"If I hit the post its only because I did not aim for the goal." His comment continues. Always one for self reflection and improvement Baggio could've said it was bad luck, he couldve claimed it was simple mis fortune when he missed his penalty in 94' however on both occasions he accepted it was well within his control to change the fortunes of both incidents.

"I was too tired and hit the ball too hard." - Baggio speaking on his penalty miss.

I realise that Baggio is a rarity, a truly gifted player who never stopped looking for ways to improve himself. I'm bringing this up because far too often we attribute poor performances and results to bad luck.

This dangerous mode of thinking presents a dichotomy... the fist is that if we lost these game due to luck, we must also win them by luck. The second (and far worse idea) is that if we keep saying that its bad luck then there is no need to improve or change...because its only luck thats stopping us winning right?

Personally I agree with Roberto, when we win...its because we were the better team, more driven, tactically aware. When we lose...its because we were the worse team. At least with this mode of thinking we can do something about losing...whilst blaming luck, we can have no control over our results...just hope.

Thanks for reading, comments always appreciated and welcomed.

Nevada


"dichotomy" - not a word that often makes it onto these message boards! {Ed002's Note - Normally I just delete it as being smutty.}


Liverpool fans are always labelled as knowledgeable fans (perhaps by themselves) I thought nothing of including some extravagant language as surely we would all know it :-)

Nevada


I totally agree with the hitting the woodwork part....hitting the post/bar is missing the target at the end of the day

missing the target by 1 inch, 1 foot, 1 mile (see Charlie Adam penalty) all class as off target

to score goals you must hit the target, at the very least

Gav


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:01:14
As a season ticket holder for the past 25 years i am totally disgusted at how the team is currently performing and been brought into disrepute this season. Sack Kenny and replace him with sam allardyce so the club can move forward with a solid foundation. The west ham exotic european way of football is what is needed at anfield and kennys out of touch style and tactical awareness is an embarresment, not just to LFC not just to football but to every sport in the world.Sams hands on approach to his players is what we now require, imagine how he would of dealt with the suarez shambles, he wouldnt of let suarez run the club and would never of sanctioned 35 million for a clueless, 3 legged donkey. Bring back proven winners like cisse and traore from 2005 season instead of wasting time after time on proven failures!!!

G.Baker(B-END)


Totally agree with everything, but how about carlton palmer as his assistant.look at what he achieved during his illustrious career with england and domestically.LEGEND!!This is a must if Liverpool are to succeed

C.PALMER


You have made some good points which are valid and have firm grounding and knowellege to them but imo bringing in someone with more top flight experience in to mentor carlton to bring him up to the level needed by LFC is where we need to be going with are development so to bring in John Barnes to this appointment would be a stroke of genius not only does he have the experiens and the determination to succeed but with the right backing from the board could take liverpool fc to to new levels.

J Mac


I've heard that former Aston Villa tactician Dr. Josef Venglos is interested! Exciting days these...


Although i have raised many viable options in this string the one point that has been overlooked and no one, myself included has picked up on is the right now and what we should be doing right now. what i put forward is Commolli takes charge till the end of the season so he is able to secure the very best talent from around the world under the guidence of big sam ready for sam to take the rains to catapult lfc into a new era.

G.Baker


I agree Commolli would be the right person till the end of the season as long as we have someone of the caliber of Big Sam coming in to shake the club up. My only worry would be is will Big Sam work along side Commolli in the long term or will Commolli disturb the free flowing football Big Sam likes to play by purchasing the wrong players for this type of football. i also think an advisory role should be deployed so that the best can be got out of all the backroom staff this role i would entrust to Souness with his track record of bringing in the very best talent and blooding youngsters. with this blue print the club can be self supporting with the sale of younger players that dont make the grade.

N.Tanner


Surely this is satire,God help us if otherwise


 

 

04 Apr 2012 14:00:15
Everton fan here i hope kenny stays forever and ever ha .


I hope Moyes goes to spurs and Everton get relegated.

Red raj


That's a strange comment bareing in mind we battered you lot twice this year with KD as manager. Do you like being beaten so easily?

MR EM


Its quite funny though, you've beaten us twice, more than any other team in the league, and we are still above you! ahahah
besides, you can have both of them league wins if we beat you in the semi's


Easter holidays, kids on their PC's ... Jeeez!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:48:44
Did carrol take his lfc shirt off because he does not like lcf i think he new exactly what he was doing when he dived think he did it for the newcastle fans only he knows immature let him go even edd agrees now i think lol worst buy i hqve ever witnessed. STEMLOCC


I think he'd rather dive than score against Newcastle! As it was easier to score! He did'nt even trip himself he just dropped like a bag of s**t! And that's not a bad description of his game since he's been playing for LFC!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:57:27
kD will be lucky to keep his job if team finishes in the botom half of the league


He should have been sacked by now the owners do not have a clue. Even the old owners would have sacked him


Are some greattherehe as lost tiuch with how the game as moved on in the years he was away and spent unwisely for 35 million there are some great strikers out there ac isnt one of them


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:52:09
Sick of hearing about how we have done in the cups! Take a long hard look at our league position.

Thatracoonstolemybacon


We have done well in the cups though, won one and in the Semi-final of another. Can't be bad EH? LOL

Not made you sick have i?

MR EM


A cup win and a Semi final is all good and well but i'm talking about our league form and position. We are just shambolic in the league. The Mancs will make it 20 this year and yes we have the league cup and maybe the FA cup but our league form is shocking and it's not going to get any better anytime soon. I for one would prefer to finish in the top 3 season after season rather than win the league cup and maybe FA cup.

Thatracoonstolemybacon


Good point, racoon. finishing in the top 4 this season was unrealistic imo and winning 1 nearly 2 cups is an excellent way to keep you on track if you are not going to make the top spots. look at arsenal, top 4 year after year but the fans are dying for some silverware.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:48:44
Did carrol take his lfc shirt off because he does not like lcf i think he new exactly what he was doing when he dived think he did it for the newcastle fans only he knows immature let him go even edd agrees now i think lol worst buy i hqve ever witnessed. STEMLOCC


Don't they teach people how to use punctuation at school anymore? The parents have obviously let their 3 year old lose with the keyboard- not a good idea! i doesn't even make sense mate
Thekop1


Crikey, if that's how he writes, imagine how he talks!?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:45:04
hey eds

1) how well do sterling and suso link up

2)do u think we will see either of them feature again this season

3)were can i find out how many goals and assists the reserve team players have?

thanks and keep up the good work {Ed002's Note - (1) I can't really help with that, sorry. (2) The occasional cameo. (3) Follow the links to the kids and kindergarten here: www.liverpoolfc.tv/team}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:00:11
Raffa touting himself ,wait n c he will be our next manager,im actually so confident on this im gonna stick a few £ on it.remember

jeff


God help us


 

 

04 Apr 2012 13:15:17
Luuk De Jong - undoutable talent but coming from the dutch league will he be able to perform at the EPL level, remember Suarez was profilic in Holland but whilst very entertaining and excited very average as a goal scorer in the EPL.

I think as fans we need be sensible about all the rumours like De Jong and consider where they current play and how these types of players have adapted when moved.

A number of other players have been touted about but until we decide on the style of play we are going to be using and who is going to be the long term manager in control of the club any new additions would be risky and wasteful of the clubs valuable resources.

In my opinion the manager must be the first priority whether that is Kenny or whoever else, then the attitude of the players needs to be adjusted to reflect this person on the field.

Until this happens we are living in a dream if we think one, two or even ten players will make us into title contenders.

Enjoy the high points of our season and look forward to the future which I very much doubt will include us returning to the top of the EPL.


That is why you should have a good scouting team to track him for a long time to determine if the way he gets his goals in holland can be applied to the premier league...can't just go off stats.


At the time when I posted a couple of months ago De Jong chance to goals convserion ratio was around the 70% mark, more than double anyone else in europe (even messi who sat around the 30%).

Even though that would drop by about 50% if he moved to EPL that would still leave his ratio at about 35% vastly superior to our entire team. Also his ratio has been above 25% for the last 3 years.

Just for comparison Messi Ronaldo and V.Persie all have ratios of 30-40% this year.

I make him a good purchase evebn though he is coming from a weaker league.

Nevada


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:50:30
i have a couple question for every 1 on here..
how much money do you think will have to be spent on transfers in the summer for a charge for a cl spot next season?
and will the owners cough up the money needed?

tony soprano


The going rate around here Tony, Is a cool £133mil.
Providing you want to enhance another clubs fortunes ala NUFC (GOING FROM STRENGTH TO STRENGTH THANKS KD)

Btw...and that also comes with pony tailed prima donnas who don't know the difference between the tunnel and the bench...

Honest I do love these forums

Blue247


Think we will use 35m on Matt Jarvis, 20 on sessengon, and then 50m on other world class players (on level with Hendo, Carroll, Adam etc.)


Blue247 - All you do is blow smoke up peoples apse , waste of time really .

Qwerty


Now now Squirty...Take a deep breath...count to 10...go and lie down in a darkened room...

And after all that guess what?

I still love the bejeebers out of these forums:))))

Blue247


Blue 247 Everton fc are proud to announce that a copy of current Leauge table is now available in the clubs Trophy cabinet,just next to the Groundsman of the year award 1998(please repost at topve page to Ed ta)


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:47:35
"The Irritation of King Kenny"
(last chapter ...)

Kenny Dalglish could walk. He may even throw in the towel before the end of the season. This starts like one of those trashy novels that you avoid on Kindle but still interests you for their sensational start.

Look at it this way; apparently KK has been asked to put in writing a report outlining the reasons for the teams' slump in the PL. Fair enough. But to a seasoned and experienced man such as KK it may be the ultimate insult for a game played often on instinct and personal ideology. I can't envisage Mr Whinger or Sir Axel (sic) agreeing to that. I can't see KK being pleased with it either. This is the American way, the business way and the way the game is going. Farewell my lovely as Raymond Chandler once wrote on route from Dulwich to LA.

It is not unreasonable to suggest that a man such as KK would find it alien to have to respond to the team's position and situation as though he was in charge of a sandwich bar or pub. Truth is, this is how the game is now being run - and should have been so in the cases of Portsmouth and Nottingham Forest. Maybe a proud man like KK, steeped in the game, soaked in the footballers' way of doing things, maybe such a man might think "to hell with it. I'm running a football team not a balance sheet!" I don't know the man. I've sadly never met him. Yet I believe this may be a step too far for such a proud footballing legend. But I have been wrong on many occasions and so what?

It could be that KK will give a glowing testimony to his search for the right balance and players still needed. If the reports of the required document are true, then it raises alarm bells in my mind. Is this not what Damien Comolli should be doing as the intermediary between FSG and the club? If you were unhappy at the lack of progress or progress so far, then you might well ask the manager to 'explain himself.' It's similar to a verbal warning at work - once you've had one, you know your time may be limited.

For those rubbishing my suggestion (and for those who simply want to write abuse rather struggle to complete a betting slip) I would caution against complacency. Storms about managers take on a life of their own if enough people ask the questions. There have been plenty of those recently and they mostly centre on KK's area of vulnerability.

I would like KK to remain as manager for at least one more season. He is an icon and should be given a chance to prove many of us wrong when it comes to his purchases. This is where the damage to his position will come from. The questioning of Andy Carroll's transfer fee, the anonymity of Henderson, the weaknesses of Adam and the concerns over Downing's effectiveness. KK can easily be attacked here and has little left to fall back on. I worry about the suggestions he has 'lost the dressing room.' I never thought that was credible, until now. Maybe he has? Does anyone outside of the inner chamber know that? If it's even a distinct possibility then it's a concern.

Throughout my recent posts and up to this final one, I have always looked 'down' on the subject with an objective eye. Doing that now I can see the little cracks that could end up opening a larger rift. I've never had any answers as 99.99% of us cliches don't have those! We all have opinions and ideas. What we also have in some way is our own idea of how the club is. Mine is a jaded one and yet that's not a crime (only to the 'real fans') as I realise that to grow and restore former glories, we need to stop endlessly harking on about the past and move on. If we lose people like KK on the way then so be it. If you're shocked by that, then ask why the club didn't implode and then fade away when Shankly walked away.

"If you ever need to call on me then do. But remember I am no longer a part of what is to come but a mere reminder of a past that will have no effect on your future."

Steve Parker


Good post as usual steve. Hope its not the last chapter due to those abusive idiots from the other day.

The majority ofus enjoy your posts and while we may not always agree they are always well written.

Nevada


Shankly (RIP) came to LFC without baggage without a previous historical LFC reputation to uphold ...he came to you while you languished in the lower flights ...he grabbed your club by the scruff of the neck and transformed a nonentity into a big player in the football world...

You need to collectively wake up to the fact that Dalglish aint no Shankly
and then maybe just maybe you can progress.

Evertonyn


Not a bad post. I still think it's too early to be judging players this season. Even C.Ronaldo didn't light up the prem in his first season. Lets see what happens next year. If we carry on as we are and we don't move up the league into CL position then yes let's look at it again. But until then let's see what happens. We have one trophy in the bag, maybe another if we can win FA Cup and we are in europe again. If we can't improve on that next year then yes lets change.


SP, I hope this isn't your last post as they're usually a good (but often long) read.

RedSG


If it is the last last/final chapter, then i liked ya book.
hope you start another one!
liked ya last sentence too..
dbadger..


Thank you - my intention was to announce it was the last chapter of "The Irritation of King Kenny." Fear not, I will still be writing longer posts than an excerpt from "Henry Totter & The Giblets of Fire!" just under a new title.
SP


*Groan*
Lol
The Real KB


I just read what Evertonyn posted, what a point he makes!

RedSG


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:24:36
Most of signings mad by KK have not been a success so far. Adam - has shown his limitations and at £7m can be said to be an average signing. Henderson – is young, has been played out of position and deserves more time. The question to be asked is whether given our limited budget should we really have prioritised spending £16m on a player who is nowhere near the finished product? Coates – looks the business. He is young for a central defender but talented. I can see the logic in signing him and in a season or two he is likely to be at the heart of our defence. Enrique – is a successful signing and for a relatively modest £6-7m. Downing – was signed for big money. Last year he had the most assists. This year he has the most unconverted assist. This is either down to him or down to there being no clinical finishers in the team. I believe its the latter and we should persevere with him for another season. As for Carroll despite his youth for a whopping £35m even if he is not the finished product we should have been able to seen flashes of the skill or awareness or pace or strength we expect of a £35m player. I have seen none of this. In fact Sterling showed more of these attributes in 16 minutes than Carroll has shown in a season. If Carroll were to have had a moderately successful season a 15 goal contribution would have ensured that we would have won 4-5 of the games we have drawn or lost. This would have placed us in the mix for 4th spot and together with the Carling Cup win and an FA cup semi final or better would have represented a very good season from which to progress on next year. Despite us all willing him on Carroll has contributed very little. We should in the summer move him on for an inevitable huge loss and use the £10-15m to buy a striker who can poach goals for us. This would give us a much better season next year. I also agree with those that say Stevie G can no longer dominate the centre of the park. We should play him out right. It will extend his career and give us the benefit of those crosses he can expertly deliver.


The Caroll issue comes from a lack of chances, and a lack of confidence due to the fact that half the time he is benched. This guy was scoring for fun for newcastle, and actually he has a hammer of a shot when facing goal. No need to constantly hit diagonal balls to his head, provide crosses in front of him and he can score with his head or feet.
This way we can either play through the middle with suarez, or push the ball wide for wingers to cross. Create space and provide options


We don't make any clear-cut chances compared to the other top teams. It's not wonder Carroll's not very profilic. The problem is in midfield.


Midfield is a problem,regardless Carrols clueless


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:18:43
What is wrong with Dirk Kuyt? The guy genually perporms quite well and works very hard, sure he is not the quickest and not the most skillfull, but he scores important goals. Why would we want to sell a decent squad member?
Given a few goes up front, surely he would score 10-15 goals a season.
I think a genuinly good right sided man, perhaps hoillet, would make a big difference. Lets stick with the 4 good strikers we have, play people in the correct position, and we certainly are not much worse than spurs.
Andy Caroll is currently getting starts in a team lacking confidence, the guy smashed Man City to bits on a good day. How has he become pants all of a sudden? Confidence, thats all.
Also i'm afraid, spearing is solid, but lacking any imagination really. Shelvey makes a few mistakes but i think he could score 5-10 goals a season given some regular starts. Henderson has killer balls in him, we have seen 1 or 2, not much use on the right.
Downing has been solid if not fantastic on the left, but needs games.
I think maybe Reina needs a rest, and after his glasgow kiss, he'll get it.

Till the end of the season;

Doni
Kelly, Coates, Skirts, Enrique
gerrard, shelvey, hendo, downing
kuyt/andy, suarez

if everone does there job properly, lets forget defensive midfield hackers and get at a few teams, gerrad can allways play a little narrow when defending. And lets put this sterling guy on the bench and use him for 30 minutes, along with the pacey bellamy.


The only thing I agree with you on is sterling, you mention playing people in there correct positions and then you go and put Gerrard on the right?

WB


If gerrard is to play, it has to be on the right. He is c**p in the middle.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:16:42
Hear lots of supporters wanting to give kenny more time and saying that Rome was nt built in a day.Also remembering how long it took Fergie. Well first of all the Premiership and football has moved on since then, due to the money from Champions League and the best players only wanting to sign for clubs who are in the CL we cant afford to be out of the CL for ever and a day. Every year we are out the further we slip down in attracting the top players and even out best players will want to move. So if a manager does not improve our position in the league and get atleast top four then Im afraid its by by. lets be honest would a top player rather be playing in CL or fighting for the league cup and would Gerrard prefer lifting the CL trophy or league cup trophy? We are the best team in the world and we need to be in the CL. We dont have TIME to keep lingering out of the top 4.


Whats the rush? Go support chelsea


You miss a important point, top players cost a fortune.
It will take time.


So Torres Mascherano Alonso all cost a fortune? those three cost a lot less than Carroll Henderson and Downing and played an awful lot better!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:11:40
JFT96
Smithy
im not on here gloating about the win am I, and so why is it when we got destroyed at spurs we were still singing? more passion about the team and who we are, and regarding that when we lose we nowhere to be seen, so how come when we were in the championship, yes CHAMPIONSHIP we were still the 3rd biggest crowd in all of england? see we sing when we win, lose or draw because we love our club, and im not saying were a big club like liverpool, man utd, but we are in the top 6 in the league and you are not so we can sing about something, and so what about us not winning a trophy for 43 years, it only makes it sweeter when we finally do win something, and also regarding wanting our managers out. what are all these comments about dalgish out all about then?
Geordie jonty


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:05:24
do you all think kenny has a plan on how to take the club forward? Its ok giving a manager time if he has a plan for the next 2/3 years but to me Kenny seems to hvae just taken over last season with the aim of seeing you through til the summer and then he hasn't really thought about how he will achieve his long term ambitions to challenge for the league.

What do you think?

Toonfan


 

 

04 Apr 2012 12:26:09
Lads, could the king be sacked? i certainly hope not...


The owners look at what has been spent and the return for their money - work it out for yourself! Of course they'll get rid of KK!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 11:32:19
Ins
Dries mertens - left wing/ right wing - 15 mill
Christian eriksen - attacking midfielder - 25 mill
Romelu lukaku - 2nd striker - 15 mill
Javi martinez - defensive midfielder - 25 mill

Outs
Dirk Kuyt
Maxi rodriguez
Alberto aquilani
Joe cole
Andy carroll
Charlie adam
Alexander doni

Line up
.....................Reina.....................
Kelly....coates...agger....enrique
............martinez..lucas..............
Downing.....eriksen.....mertens
.....................suarez...................
Bench
Gulacsi
Skrtel
Wisdom
Henderson
Gerrard
Sterling
Lukaku

Money better spent compared to dalglish id say cost about 80 million will make near enough 35 mill from player sales etc.
Promote a few of the promising youth up.


Martinez will likely cost £35m+ and Barca, Real, United and City all interested....in other words, no chance

Also hasn't Skrtel been you guys' best CB this year? Bit harsh to drop him?

Gav


In your dreams we will sign these! You may manage on FM12 but no chance in reality
LeeWils


Tell me, is it that good to live in ones own little dream world?


I hope your right mate but I would see De Jong as more likely than Lukaku.


U really think any of them want to move to a mediocre mid table side when most of those mentioned will likely have the chance of CL football with top sides ?


Gerrard and Skrtel on the bench? And Sterling on the bench instead of Lukaku? :O


 

 

04 Apr 2012 11:26:25
ed just out of curiosity as both may be available for a similar price in the summer if kagawa doesnt renew his contract. who in your opinion is the better player ramirez or kagawa cheers!
JF LFC {Ed002's Note - I have no interest in trying to compare the attributes of different players - perhaps some of the others will pipe up with some thoughts.}


Just turn on FM12 and use the 'compare player' tool ; )

Gav


 

 

04 apr 2012 11:11:28
eds fellow liverpool fans its bad haveing to here manc -spurs-newc-che-ars-fans slagging one of our true legends but to here -or read some of the stuff from some of our fans makes me sick -what that man has give for our club needs no saying as all true supporters will no. but i call on all u none belivers is stick with kenny dont call for his sack the man loves the club as much as u or me and use are making him out to be a laughing stock playing into the meida and every one else hands he has got one cup in his first year what will he get in 3 lets wait and see
on words and up words lfc


Here here!

Rudi


Guffaw...Freddie Starr might love Everton ...better still Amanda Holden might love Everton but hey you thick chumps managing Everton...??
no wonder LFC fell by the wayside and currently in relegation form...

God I love these forums:)

Blue247


Wise words . rome was not built in a day . fans are fickle and i accept that we have not scored enough goals etc etc . now is when real fans and people who know football must stand up and support the team and club . give daglish some time . houiller and benitez enjoyed close to 5 years while kenny has had a year and a bit .


Rome was not built in a day but i bet they got far in 14 months blind faith


Ok buddy tell me your vision and name your new boss . be realistic now . ie no jose or pep bull...t . this should be good


''Ok buddy tell me your vision and name your new boss . be realistic now . ie no jose or pep bull...t . this should be good''

Hey the popular vote might go to Jimmy Tarbuck (read original post)

Seriously I do love these forums:)

Blue247


 

 

04 Apr 2012 11:10:44
How about we give Carroll for Cabaye, good deal?

HK


Carroll for Cabeye plus 35m


Why would newcastle agree to this?

Cabaye is the main man in our midfield, carroll doesnt suit our style anymore.

Carroll started his career 15 years to late....if he was playing back 15 years ago he would be in demand by most teams

ToonFan


I think its more likely Carroll and 35m for Cabaye ,all it would then need is Cabaye to roll up in his jesters costume and play like the rest of the clowns

Pardoe


 

 

04 apr 2012 11:07:50
poor gerrard and suarez. they are playing with someone as downing, adam, carroll, henderson, players whom would not fit into the champions in the danish superliga.
buy quality kenny!
danieldenmark


Gerrard and Suarez have been poor recently. They should be concentrating on their own form.


Yeah yeah. But it is easy to be in poor form, if you dont have quality team mates. look how good Gerrard played with Alonso, Torres, Mashcerano and Sissoko.
danieldenmark


They have been poor coz they have c**p players around them. Put a couple of intelligent players (meireles) around them, n they will flourish. All we have is a bunch of donkeys with minimum IQ n brain cells, who pass or kick the ball without any real purpose.
Indian Buzzer


What?

in the last 5 games

suarez scored 2 with 2 assists
gerrard scored 3 with 2 assists

me: "what did carroll do?"

you: "he hasn't been starting"

me: "same with kuyt but he scored"


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:55:35
just read the papers n all the gossip ..god look at some headlines.

suarez to juventas ,
roma want suarez,
Liverpool to lose Johnson to Real Madrid, and on..
.
now look i do know not any of it is true as of now. and all are rumours,BUT THIS WONT STOP AT THIS, it going to go around whole transfer season . n such bad rumours would certainly affect out transfer season for sure.

WE MUST GET N ANNOUNCE A BETTER REPLACEMENT FOR KENNY ...AS SOON AS POSSIBLE , yes it may sound harsh but to send a strong message, that we r not going backwards or in a mess. what this season is or was will be completely forgotten when a new manager comes in and for sure KENNY WONT TAKE US MUCH HIGHER, we need to start fresh n make it believe to all players supporters n alL that we want to improve .

if we dont do this now, wait n wait sure this gossip mess would create a bad air cloud over us, better players new signings would not want get in,current players suarez raina ,SG will also have a doubt that is this a sinking ship
..in whole the brand liverpool must not go down. pls mr. henry .

MAYURR.


Wtf!

Gav


Though this guy is a bit overeacting but .yup we need a new manager. Lets face the truth had it been any other manager 6 defeats in 7 games is worst and would have been faced tha sack. And im not a ebrahimovic(spell?) type guy woh just wants result. It can clearly be seen. Kennys statergy , british buys, constant changing choping of team in totality kenny needs to be shown dore even if tomorrow he saves the day wit
h FA CUP and all. But kenny is not the one
to take us higher.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:46:18
Ed 001 if dalglish was to leave in the summer who would you like to replace him cheers

Mickleburg {Ed001's Note - IF, I would like Bielsa or possibly Michael Laudrup, just someone who looks to play footie the right way.}


How about paco rafas old assistant


If we got Laudrup Ed, and we showed an interest in Eriksen, do you think he would come? {Ed002's Note - I cannot sensibly answer such obscure "what if" questions.}


With all respect for Michael Laudrup, I do not think he is a great manager. He only succeed in a danish team called Brøndby where he won the danish Superliga. But he had a great team with the likes of Johan Elmander, Daniel Agger, Kahlenberg, Skoubo and so on. He can make results, but only with starts, and we does not have any :(
Danieldenmark


Laudrup was the one who gave Agger his debut, I swear? He was 19 and made him a regular so.......


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:44:35
Just a question for ed 001 if he's about do u think the players still hold respect for kenny and the coaching team as I was a little concerned whilst watching Sunday's game with carrolls reaction when substituted and what seemed an unusual exchange with some players and the manager when reina got sent off as it looked like the players where telling kenny how they where going to re-shuffle

Thanks kopman {Ed001's Note - there are some issues there, the players seem to be forgetting their place, whether they agree with decisions or not, it is not their place to argue about them in public.}


If that's the case then ed do u think the major players who are doing this should be let go because that will be the last 3 managers then that these players have thought they know better than and it's hurting the club that's if it's the players I think it is anyway

Thanks kopman {Ed001's Note - I think they should go, they should have been long gone to be honest, I thought they would have behaved better for Dalglish.}


What about Gerrards response, as captain that for me is the most concerning.
Do the players think they are above reproach, criticism.
There is a arrogance and petulance in their behaviour, one that is very unsavoury and uncharecteristic of LFC.
I say if their 'attitudes' do not improve, get rid of them, don't wanr the team full of 'miserable' Torres like players. {Ed001's Note - half of the problems with Torres were due to Gerrard, it must be remembered. Torres wanted to be at home with his missus and kids, not going out with the lads.}


Gerrard and Carragher....too much to say, and too much influence at the club. other players intimidated by them.
GET RID !!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:42:46
The Hillsborough Justice Campaign have announced they are to follow up their campaign that saw 25,000 posters distributed at the Carling Cup Final with another 30,000 Don't Buy The S*n posters for the FA Cup semi-final against neighbours Everton at Wembley.

The match takes place on the eve of the 23rd anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster, and resulting boycott of the ˜newspaper' since.

There will be 20,000 posters available in red and 10,000 in blue, and these will be handed out around Wembley stadium on the day. The HJC ask supporters from both teams to show support and unity by spreading the word amongst fellow fans via websites, forums, social networks, supporters clubs and word of mouth, as well as holding up their posters inside the stadium prior to kick-off on the day.

Volunteers are being sought to hand out posters on the day, to all supporters. Please email hillsboroughjusticecampaign@hotmail.co.uk if you can assist.

Wembley officials and the Met Police have been extremely helpful for a second time by giving permission to distribute and display. This is a fantastic opportunity for the two Merseyside clubs to come together on a showpiece platform to get the message across.


Please dont click disagree on this. It's real life.

cozinoz


When you use a iphone of nokia lumia and scroll down the screen you accidently click disagree somtimes its happend to me before its probably down to fat fingers.

Red raj


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:37:39
I am seriously worried about Liverpool at the moment, I love this club so much and the way we are performing is not at all good enough.

I do not want Kenny to go, if he can't get the players to play with pride in the shirt then no one else can. That's what fergie has at united, people have to play well for him! The signings made were not at all good enough, and for that he has to put his hands up.

Do we stick with kennie? Or do we go for someone else, Rafa back? Mourinho? (no chance). Just wanted to see what fellow fans thought about what should be done now.


Kenny all day, every day. He's made some mistakes this past year and the players have too but we might end up with a couple of cups. Not bad.
Time to consolidate over summer, tweak the formula, add a couple of pieces of the jigsaw.....and make a serious assault on the top 4 next year

cozinoz


Guys! remember when the red nose faced the same problem..he had 1 game to save his man utd job..and what happened the following year..so pls give kenny our king his chance..no one else can motivate a player the pride of the club than him..though we are short of confidence..just remember we need just abit of addition than we will be a very good squad..the base is almost there..need a finishing touch like a st,rw,am...thn done..

sesyan


It's been mentioned on here before mate, fergie took 5 years to put together a team capable of challenging and winning the league. compared to us at present, united fans gave him 3 years before calling for his blood. Patience is lost these days.

cuchulainn's Hounds


We can only hope Kenny Dalglish has the answers , whether it is sweeping change or just a few additions (bought & promoted) .

We really need to win the FA Cup semi against Everton otherwise mid-April onwards is going to be horrid .

Qwerty


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:26:13
I'm probably going to get slated for even thinking this, but I do wonder if Steven Gerrard is starting to show a lack of urgency in tracking back and helping out the defence.

Watching the second goal by Newcastle, they have four players and we have five in the vicinity of the ball, which is not a 'safe' ratio- and Gerrard seems to jog along near to the ref, even when Cabaye is in lots of space ready to receive the ball, maybe ten yards from him.

If Gerrard had been a bit quicker getting involved, I do wonder if the extra man might have been enough to break up the attack.
There are lots of other brilliant aspects to his game, and one slow response doesn't mean he's had it, or he's rubbish, but I do wonder if he is slowing down a little, and should be encouraged to track back more quickly when we don't have the ball.


I said only yesterday that SG would be more effective on the right mid. He's not got the engine of a box-to-box midfielder anymore (leave that to Shelvey and Hendo) but damn he's a glorious crosser of the ball. Not to mention his highest goal tally was playing on the right under Rafa

cozinoz


Gerrard is returning to fitness after a long lay off and lots of niggles. Personally I think he has been over-used since his return, and KK has not used the squad effectively to manage his recovery and get results. Against NUFC he looked tired to me.

We have young central midfielders in Jordan Henderson and Jonjo Shelvey, who if played in the natural positions I believe can contribute. Same applies with Conor Coady, I believe he should have had some game time in Jay Spearing's place.

RedSG


Gerrard has always had this fault in his game and was one of the reasons rafa had him behind Torres as he cannot be trusted as a centre mid, great player but that has been a flaw in his game for years not just recently

Kopman


Since when did Gerrard play on the right under Rafa? That was Houllier.. Gerrard played either central mid and then just behind Torres (which is where his highest goal ratio came from).. He should play up front again like the 2008/2009 season.. it looked like thats the way he was attacking for his hat-rick against everton (even though he started in the middle)..Its so obvious that is his best position.. He needs to attack attack! ATTACK! cos he is still that Gerrard.. not sit there like a quite frankly pointless holding midfielder, which it looks as though he is doing (most) of the time. He is STILL capable of scoring for fun Isaac Young


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:22:29
I know people want to give KK more time , but what worries me is who he would buy in the summer if he was to stay.

Let's face it the majority of his signings have been piss poor.

Some pundits said KK knows something about most off the players in the world , how is it we ended up with who we did then?

Sentiments aside unfortunately he has to go.

LAVERS


Hmmm we wouldn't want another Suarez, Enrique or Bellamy? The only signing I'm really disappointed in has been Downing (although he has shown improvement in recent games). Hendo and Carroll will come good with maturity and Adam is a decent back-up in midfield.


Notice how I said majority if signings....

Saurez of course is class , Enrique has gone off the boil abit lately.

Bellemy is a good player , but its hard when he can't play 2 games in a row.

LAVERS


LAVERS would you trust him to spend your money?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:19:38
For all those calling for Kenny's head, I hate to use this old analogy again, but look how close Fergie came to getting the boot from Old Trafford..but they stuck, and then 20 years of Premier league dominance followed.

I believe the squad is weak.
I believe Kenny believes that in a Liverpool shirt that these players should be performing to a higher level.
I believe Kenny is trying to play the Liverpool way, but the squad is letting him down.

As I have said before the team needs an overhaul, but this is going to be a gradual strengthening over the next few seasons. You can't do it all in 1 or 2 transfer windows.

The transfers so far have admittedly been mixed. Suarez/Enrique - good. Adam/Carroll - Average Henderson -Poor

Obvious room for improvement here.
But the team is performing at a level that the quality players will transfer to Champions League teams.

So Liverpool have to do it the old fashioned way and mould a team that wins, before it can re-attract the worlds best players.

Patience and unyielding support is what is needed now, not panic and knee-jerk dissidence.

Kez


I agree !! About120 million worth !!
He's not a good manager !!


I believe that the owners will get rid of Kenny in the summer.Regardless of an FA Cup win or not, I think he's toast now.


Burnt toast


 

 

04 Apr 2012 10:04:06
I think we should free up wages an funds by selling carrol Henderson kuyt maxi Adam downing Aurelio Johnson aqua cole

Use the funds to invest in 2 cm 2 wingers 1 sort of traditional number 10 and a new striker


Pass the joystick mate - let me play

cozinoz


If you could sell that lot you'd have enough money to buy 10 pack of No.6 fags and 6 cans of carlsberg

Pardoe


 

 

04 Apr 2012 09:58:02
Anybody thought about Marcus Bent as an option next season? He's british, s**te, has no touch and we could definately get him for £35m. Fits the policy as far as I can see.


Guess you dont see very far then


Very, very funny!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 09:22:00
Quick question for the people on here who want a new manager, how long will/should the new man be given?

Waro


Kenny Dalglish - give him another season

cozinoz


6 games if he has not got 6 wins ---get a new one in another 6 games and so on


Careful cozinoz you know certain people on here will attack you for posting such an extreamist reply as that, spot on by the way but as I say be careful or you will be attacked for being a decent red.

Waro


A full season seems to be the going rate. If he doesn't get CL football, sack him. Just like Chelsea do. The only problem there is that we don't have Roman Abramovich to fork out £20 million plus to pay off everytime we sack a manager, do we? Is it really a sign of weakness by the owners to sack a manager if he doesn't get CL football first time around? Money that could be used on a player! It's a tough decision.

The Irish Rover

The Irish Rover


Cheers Waro. Dont see how getting a new manager would make any sense. He would have Dalglish's players, the coaching staff would need to change, the club would be set back a year, etc. If we win 2 cups it will have been a decent year despite our league position, and I would rather KK had the chance to continue HIS project for a year than change everything around again.
And, as some astute poster already mentioned....what happens if that manager does not get top 4 - do we try someone else? There's surely more to be gained at this stage by creating stability and consistency than there is by taking a punt on some other manager (lets not forget AVB and Chelsea).

cozinoz


As cozinoz stated you have lumped on with 120m in transfers so if dalglish gets sacked (I still think he'll walk) then pay say 10m in compensation to boot out manager and staff. Do you then pay compensation to the new managers club?
Then the new manager will want money for new players say 50m so thats 60-70m sell some of the dross can you get anything for them, what happens if you have to part pay their wages do you have to pay them for not asking for a transfer?
Then thats another lot of players to gel wht happens if after chrimbo you are in 6th place sack that bugger too?
Seriously get a grip
Eds am I even close in your opinion on costs do you think?

Pardoe {Ed001's Note - close enough to make your point certainly, I think you have underplayed the costs involved if anything.}


Even the mancs are talking sense


 

 

04 Apr 2012 09:15:53
Most managers are only 5 games away from the sack well kenny mate you had 6 defeats in 7 time to be a real man and walk away or you will walk alone. We should sell pepe and suarez get the money add it to any transfer funds the owners give and get someone like Louis van gaal to rebuild Liverpool.We are so bad we aint even going to finish 8th on this form yet the owners a blind.


Sell hend downing carrol Adam Johnston maxi spearing aqua cole kuyt and use funds to build again


I don't think the owners are blind. Where we end up in the league is irrelevant in the long term as we've already qualified for the Europa Cup which covers the few million loss of finishing lower than say 5/6th. So, why have a knee jerk reaction and spend XXX million paying off Dalglish now?


 

 

04 Apr 2012 08:21:16
eds. You have mentioned that through a company owners getting news about our oponions. This means our opinion was some force which leads owners to select him as a manager. If yes new manager will be according to our hopes. Which good managers are free now? {Ed002's Note - The owners have already made it clear that the choice of manager was against their judgement - it seems unlikely that they would make such a mistake again.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 07:14:13
Mertens, Ramirez, Isla, Texeira, Martinez


Jarvis, Sinclair, Doyle, Albrighton, Clyne


Moxey, trundle ,nugent ,boumsong ,jackson


Henderson, Downing, Adam and Carroll


Paper, Scissors, Rock {Ed002's Note - Lizard, Spock.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 04:42:15
Adriano of barca is a versitile player we could get cheap and is something special he need


 

 

04 Apr 2012 03:51:00
The incessant calls for Rafa are getting as tedious and, I believe, as short-sighted, as the clamor for Kenny 18 months ago.

I know this may come as a shock to some, but former LFC players and managers are not the only individuals capable of managing LFC.

The rich history of our club has created a backward-looking culture; this has become an anchor dragging us down.

We are one of the biggest clubs in the world. We do not have to lose our nerve just because one outsider - Hodgson - did not work out.

And for those scoffing at newcomers like Brendan Rogers, I have two questions for you: how many trophies did Bill Shankly win as manager before he became Liverpool manager? And how many trophies did Pep Guardiola win as manager before he became Barcelona manager?

Time for our club to demonstrate some courage and imagination.


Suggestions?


How many trophies did Sam Allardyce win? That's a ridiculous argument - a manager is selected partly because of his success rate NOT because he has the same starting stats as Guardiola and Shankly. Rogers has proven nothing except that his team looks better than average this year - 90 per cent of people hadn't heard of him this time last year.

cozinoz


Louis van gaal is the best option and he wants the job


Whether a new manager comes in or not we have to start winning ....will this happen ? ask the players ??? we have to win remaining matches and win the FA and that will be a small satisfaction.


What does Allardyce have to do with it? No-one has suggested. Or Curbishley. Or Nigel Clough. That is a straw argument.

But simply going for the safe choice (Kenny because he has previously won the title) or AVB (because he just won a bunch of trophies) does not always work.

Ask Chelsea if they are better off with the big name coach - or the guy who was the assistant just a few weeks ago?

The question is whether we have a board that can identify the right person, the way the Man U board did in 1986 and the Arsenal board in 1996.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 03:34:11
Eds, just would like to know how much influence the nationality of a new manager would have on transfers?
For example if a spanish manager is to come in do you think we would buy more spanish players? Similar to Rafa's reign?

Cheers {Ed005's Note - I'm sure it helps but in all honesty if a player only wants to join us because of the nationality of the manager then quite frankly I don't want him.}


What the querist wanted to know - Is the nationality of the manger an influence in the nationality of the players players he buys

The answer the manager will shop mostly in the market he knows best depending on contraints such as money, foreign quotas, etc. {Ed002's Note - It may well have an influence.}


Houllier bought a lot of french players
Rafa a lot of Spanish players
Kenny a few British


 

 

04 Apr 2012 03:08:28
how about these transfers:

Outs:
kuyt - 4 mil
maxi - free
doni - free
aurelio - free
adam - 3 mil
aquilani - 5 mil


Ins:
Dries Mertens - 12 mil
Luuk De Jong - 11 mil
Oliver Giroud - 17 mil
Gaston ramirez - 12 mil


Net spend = 40 million

Now, I certainly dont want Suarez to leave.
But, if he expresses a desire or a very large offer similiar to Torres comes up, we should sell him and reinvest the money on two different players. one striker and one utility midfield player.

Apart from this, I would like if Sterling, Suso , Morgan and Silva are given a chance as subs.


I don't think it would be a torres like offer, clubs may view him as a trouble maker? With a return on goals that is poor? lets not forget controversy has blotted his career and so I think teams wouldn't be willing to throw stupid amounts for him?


Suarez is worth no more than £30m, tbh cannot see him going for more than £25m (if at all) - he lacks goals and has a poor attitude

Gav


 

 

04 Apr 2012 02:59:34
Here in Cape Town (The Argus, local Newspaper), details how Newcastle spent the £35m they got for AC (spongebob squarepants).
6 players bought.
2 contract extensions.

Hell, it just makes me sick!!!.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 02:49:17
Barca and Real Madrid do also have a Director of Football.
Is their system similar do Liverpool's Eds?
Because it seems that both guardiola and mourinho do have a hell of a lot influence on transfers?!

Or is it similar to liverpool that the DOF's identify the targets and Jose and Pep only agree or not?!

Cherrs {Ed005's Note - At Real Madrid Mourinho now has a bigger say in transfers, if not pretty much the only say. Not sure on Barcelona.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 02:17:20
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
MoussaSissoko LucasL
Saurez GastonRamirez Lavezzi
Welliton

Gerrard
Kelly
Downing
Coates
Sessegnon
Tello
Doni

There's a Liverpool team made by players we've been or still are linked with. I know Gerrard would usually start but we must admit we need to start to build on younger players as much as Stevie g will be in our hearts! However I do quite like that team, give me a heads up what you all think!
Bill


 

 

04 Apr 2012 02:13:19
Ed002 i see on the banter 2 page that your reply to a poster asking what happened to Commoli targeting Hazard as he said he would! your reply was Hazard was not an option turned down by Dalglish! is this true? {Ed005's Note - I think more to the fact that Hazard had absolutly no interest in joining LFC so there was little point in trying to get him which would have wasted our time.}


....what a shocker!

Gav


 

 

04 Apr 2012 01:55:46
Eds neither of the top clubs in the premier except Liverpool has a Director of Football!
Why don't they have one? Why do we have one?
Do we need one? Why don't the other clubs need one?
What are his duties?

Sorry eds for the load of questions, but please answer because I'm a little bit concerned of our beloved club!

Cheers {Ed001's Note - because it is the direction we have chosen to take. Fergie is virtually a DOF these days, he doesn't really coach the players any more.}


Is DOF a acronym ed and of so, what does it stand for? {Ed002's Note - No it is not an acronym. It stands for Director of Football.}


So DOF is an acronym for Director Of Football? {Ed002's Note - According to the revised Fowler it is only an acronym if the case of the initial letters is the same (e.g. DoF) else it falls in to the category of an abbreviation (e.g. DOF). Articles should always be expressed in lower case. It is seemingly an area of academic interest - for some reason I don't recall. There was a length item on the subject in the IHT within the past year - I assume a slow day for news and a filler piece.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 01:35:32
RAFA
"People were saying "He was great in the Champions League but not in the Premier League" “ 82 points and 86 points was twice the record in the history of the club. So we were doing well with the resources that we had. The problem was that you had to sell some players to buy players if you wanted to progress because we didn't have a big budget."

nuff said


That's the problem with Rafa, always making excuses and covering up deficiencies by kidding himself. 86 points is only our club record without accounting for the old 2 points for a win system. Suggests that he'd settle for those point totals, which is not good enough. We may be going through a bad patch with Kenny but he won't accept second best as an aim

Red Ollie


Exactly..people cticisizes..his style of football..no attacking, no pass and move..but end..he gets teh results...kk has everything apart from points...and football work with points...bring him back..coz i think with the current crap of players..only he will return to liverpool...or we will have to give another 100 mill to new owners..which is impossible...


I like RAFA and would like him back but your stats history may be skewed by the change from 2 points for a win to 3 points for a win


Space bar broke there dots lol


The thing with rafa that nobody seems to mention is that he was an 'all eggs in one basket type of manager'. Success in 1 competition would come at the detriment to every other single tournament... Can anybody remember us fighting on more than one front?
Personally I don't think he was a good manager tbh. Our new owners won't go near him in the summer anyway as he's thought of as a Machiavellian figure and control freak. Plus I question his integrity as I have a slight suspicion he went to inter for tax reasons: nice little pay out from us, over to Italy for 6 months, nice little pay out from them an then back to England... Oldest tax loophole in the book

Peter


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:53:21
Eds, what do you think, in your opinion, is more likely at this moment in time:
1) Dalglish staying
2) Dalglish leaving
...in the summer?

Please answer
Cheers {Ed001's Note - right now? Him leaving looks more likely, the FA Cup will probably be the deciding factor though.}


And if he leaves do you see his replacement more likely be british or foreign?
Would be great if you could give me an insight in your thoughts of how the new manager should be like eds?! {Ed001's Note - it will be someone happy to work with a director of football above them, other than that I have no idea.}


Ed001 I really can't see the FA cup saving Kenny!


Do you see comolli leave/ get sacked at the end of the season eds?
Surely no great manager wants to work with a DOF above him!?
They want to bring in the players they like themselves not the players whom the DOF likes!? {Ed001's Note - I can't see him going yet, it is difficult to see what effect he will have for a number of years, most of the players are too young to be judged.}


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:50:26
apart from suso sterling and morgan what other youngsters are there that you like the look of ed?

thanks eds {Ed001's Note - Silva, Adorjan, Wisdom, Coady, McLaughlin, Sinclair (hard to believe he is an U15!), Mendy, Brad Smith, Ngoo. I am sure I am forgetting some though! The thing is that we have an excellent overall quality level, much higher than in the past, it is very promising, even though most will probably not make it with us. Nearly forgot the other Spanish lad, Nacho is it?}


I just noticed recently how impressive 'Micheal Roberts' is and I wonder whether he may be something superior to Jay Spearing in the following years .

Qwerty {Ed001's Note - his problem is he is very reckless, both with possession and in the tackle. Once he matures a bit he should be a much better player, he certainly has more ability.}


What about david moli(our adebayor), yalany baio(our frimpong) and sama.

ALSO I watched the reserves game v Villa and I thought that wisdom moves to good with the ball at his feet to be a CB. he should be a DM. he has the frame, the pace, calm on the ball and has the defensive instincts; he just needs to play there to adapt plus i don't think he will grow much taller than he is now (although he is huge for his age). he could be a right back but he is better than that, could be a De Jong.

roberts has the potential to make it but yeah as you say he is a bit eager, also dunn he reminds me of rooney, small stocky, was a winger now more striker with TWO great feat.


I thought Jordan Ibe stood out for me whenI seen him against Huddersfield last week skipping past players with ease and also he's built like a tank.

Corkpoolred


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:49:01
iv'e been watching the academy games recently and i have noticed that suso is being played on the right is this a permanent thing or just a test. and what do you think hes best postion is?


He's been played there all season really apart from in the nextgen TONI SILVA owned it.


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:34:15
Hi all there is a very well written article in the daily mirror by Oliver holt I think every lpool fan should read and I support what he has written in it
Hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - Oliver Holt? Well written? That's a first to see those in one sentence, the guy has nothing but bile to write usually.}


Just checked it out myself Ed001, the headline is:

"Why sacking Kenny Dalglish would destroy any hope Liverpool have of moving forward"

Is actually a good article, and I agree with him completely.

Matt S - YNWA


There is no sentiment in success in the premiership - Paisley never showed any winning Championships - seems like Holt wants us to keep KD - I wonder why?


Because sacking KK will put us back 12 months?


We're already back to square 1 now! with more expensive deadwood that's gonna be even harder to shift! making even bigger lose's on player's!


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:30:36
Interesting article on koptalk about rafas thoughts and his record.
I remember him bring a clown but his record looking back is awesome.

Bring him back I say and with 30m each year well be back in cl in 2 years
Cp


Agree he only had 15m a year the other he had to get himself


Rafa bought himself for 15m? That's why the budget was so low


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:28:23
Gulasci
Kelly skyrtyl agger Enrique
New Lucas Henderson downing
Suarez new cf

Jones
New Coates new new
Bellamy Gerrard Adam sterling
Carroll new

7 new players at a cost of
Rw 20m
Cf 20m

Rfb 2m
Lfb 2m
Rw free
Cf 6m

45m

Recoup 20m in sales and we not too far off


Uno that we have robinson who could be the lfb

flanagan and mendy who both could be rlb or lfb

rw: sterling, toni silva ring any bells

CF for 6m? what! we have carroll


 

 

04 Apr 2012 00:02:55
too much sentiment,and harping back at LFC.Us fans,players,club,traditions should be treasured.But we need to let go,to move forward


I've been saying that for years.
Rigsby.


Totally agree let's bring Raffa back!


I remember the days when we didnt have to hark back to our history. Now they were the golden years....all that time ago


 

 

03 Apr 2012 23:08:11
Eds do you rate slaven bilic as a manager, just read somewhere that he's looking at club management after euro's...if kenny does leave(which I'm hvn mixed opinions about)would you like him as our manager.

KingMiz {Ed001's Note - no, not in the slightest would I want him.}


 

 

03 Apr 2012 23:05:20
hey eds

do you think suso will get an appearance this season? {Ed001's Note - impossible to say, if he stays fit probably, fixture congestion will see a need to rest players, but he could get a season ending injury tomorrow.}


He just came back from a little knock

i wonder where joao teixier is ed? i know he was injured when we got him but i didn't know it was this bad that he has been out for 12+weeks? do you have any info? {Ed005's Note - Not sure.}


 

 

 
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