Liverpool Banter Archive August 04 2017

 

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04 Aug 2017 23:34:07
Not sure why my post didn't appear.

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{Ed025's Note - this has been done to death fred and any mention of him is not going to be posted mate, this has been explained repeatedly..

04 Aug 2017 23:02:17
Hi eds do you feel that the lallana injury will have an effect on what happens now with coutinho. thanks again.

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{Ed025's Note - not specifically mate..

04 Aug 2017 23:35:19
I think that it might put a lot of pressure on Klopp, as if the offer from Barcelona was one he couldn't say no to, and okayed the sale along with the Lanana injury, then Koppites would be mad, and Klopp would go from hero to zero in a nano second .


04 Aug 2017 23:41:10
No he wouldnt.


04 Aug 2017 23:42:26
Klopp wouldn't be to blame for that surely, as he has clearly stated his position is he stays.


05 Aug 2017 00:11:21
oh yes he would .


{Ed033's Note - He's behind you.

05 Aug 2017 00:32:19
Coutinho will be a Barcelona player next week. I've written this season off already.


05 Aug 2017 04:15:31
Frankly you are very annoying.


05 Aug 2017 08:08:25
Writing the season off before its even started is laughable and sounds like something my 8year old nephew wouldn't even say 🙄.


05 Aug 2017 10:59:50
Frankly, if you have written the season off then you should not bother watching us then cos according to your nagativity, we will be failures.


04 Aug 2017 22:48:03
Coutinho will sign for Barcelona in the coming weeks. Van dijk to Chelsea is also looking more likely, Meltdown incoming.

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04 Aug 2017 23:50:27
The last time you posted you said Keita was imminent and Van Dijk back on the table, you have no credibility!


05 Aug 2017 00:33:48
These are likely to happen.

Van Dijk will be a Chelsea player. Coutinho will be a Barcelona player and we'll still have Klavan and a lot of money which we will waste on rubbish like Oxlade Chamberlain probably.


05 Aug 2017 01:24:59
Don't stop there frankly. You forgot the relegation battle and utd doing the treble.


05 Aug 2017 01:46:29
Smeg, so did Macca.


05 Aug 2017 03:39:59
I didn't realize, that you wrote poetry. I didn't realize, you wrote such bloody awful poetry.


05 Aug 2017 03:48:30
Coutinho will stay. We are going to sign oxlade chamberlain from arsenal, van dijk and maybe a right back and of course emre will extend his contract.

Ox isn't rubbish he can play wide and do what mane does in the right wing and he can play in the middle.

And I hope we get naby keita before the end of this transfer window.

Cheer up! Even if we don't sign anybody we can do well this season!


05 Aug 2017 06:21:22
Macca was stating an opinion, you are writing as if it's a fact, there is a difference. Where is Keita? Twitter let you down again?


05 Aug 2017 08:16:12
Why can't people get that keita is not going to happen, and vvd is not going to happen unless the club make fools of themselves and go back on the apology they made for tapping the player up, which I'd rather they didn't and tried to clean up their act instead because as Ed 02 said we are not well thought of by clubs around Europe for the way we conduct business, which is embarrassing for a club of our stature, I'm sure there is other targets out there that have been looked at, it'll probably take longer to get deals done because they were trying to concentrate on the main targets first.


05 Aug 2017 11:01:06
OP, your credibility is shot to bits. I suggest you get out of the business of posting outright.


04 Aug 2017 22:31:55
Ah bloody lallana injury. And with the usual studge situation, are we a tad thin in the front half? I'd like to see us not loan out Kent and not panic buy.

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04 Aug 2017 23:38:43
I am with you on Kent staying, he deserves his chance, as with the injury, its the same crew, Sturridge, Lovren and Lalana, and before the season even starts .


05 Aug 2017 02:28:11
Agree about keeping Kent but disagree about being thin up front. Firmino can easily play the role Lallana or Coutinho plays in midfield and we have Sturridge, Origi, Solanke and Ings waiting for a chance to play striker.


04 Aug 2017 22:20:20
Solanke, what do people think so far? Opinion would be welcome from any ed that's about.

I have been thoroughly impressed so far. Didn't realise he was such a tall lad. He's strong and composed, and not afraid to have an early dig.

As with so many of their youngsters, Chelsea have really cocked up letting him go.

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{Ed002's Note - He is a good player and much was expected of him. However his financial demands were well beyond what Chelsea would pay for him and they ran down his contract.}

04 Aug 2017 23:42:52
so far so good, Solanke is so cool in front of the goal, for his age, he really is a good buy, he has the making of a top striker .


{Ed025's Note - i have seen it all before though RF, im not saying he cant be just dont lets put too much pressure on the guy thats all mate..

05 Aug 2017 00:01:58
I worry that he has a serious lack of pace, that you can get away with in the younger age groups but we all know in the premier league, pace is king. He is a natural goal scorer fo sho tho.


05 Aug 2017 00:13:54
your right there Ed, I am hoping that Sturridge stays fit, as that will then limit game time for Solanke, so we can then ease him in .


05 Aug 2017 02:30:42
Kane, Costa and Ibraloveshimself don't have an abundance of pace but are still pretty handy strikers.


05 Aug 2017 08:20:26
I've been really impressed with Solanke from what I've seen of him this summer, finds space well, holds the ball up well, knows where the goal is and links up play well, I'd like to see him get game time in the cups and come off the bench in some league games.


05 Aug 2017 09:08:58
Solanke is the plan B we haven't had before a different option for the forward position and one that make opposing defenders change style. Too many times we change like for like up front. Dom gives us a different threat he's the physical threat we lacked last season and I can see him being a permanent bench solution for plan B.


04 Aug 2017 22:20:20
Solanke, what do people think so far? Opinion would be welcome from any ed that's about.

I have been thoroughly impressed so far. Didn't realise he was such a tall lad. He's strong and composed, and not afraid to have an early dig.

As with so many of their youngsters, Chelsea have really cocked up letting him go.

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{Ed025's Note - bags of potential for me andy but is not ready for the first team yet, some nice little cameo,s from him and i can see why the reds are happy with him but throwing him in could be a bad move for me mate, let him develop at his own pace and give him some games in the cup or as a sub when games are won or if you require a different approach, too much too soon has been the downfall of many a young talent and i would say just play it by ear..

04 Aug 2017 22:57:14
As a blue ed 25 Rooney was much younger when thrown into the starting 11 do you not think solanke has the same potential.


{Ed025's Note - i dont know solanke,s history farno but rooney was street wise and older than his years, he was very strong minded and focused and could handle fame and failure equally, some cant and it can affect them and they lose confidence leading to regression which can be hard to recover from, thats why i urge caution with all young players coming through...not many have the fortitude of a young rooney mate..

04 Aug 2017 23:45:16
hate to say it, but Rooney was some player even more so at a young player, I did say was .


05 Aug 2017 01:35:05
Do you subscribe to the theory that a player who plays to many games when young (16-19) lose their legs earlier than they perhaps should? for example Owen and in my opinion Rooney.


{Ed001's Note - both of those suffered because of a lack of off field dedication to the game, not because they started early. If Rooney had worked harder in training, spent less nights partying, drunk less and smoked less fags, he would not be the fat mess he was over the last few years.}

05 Aug 2017 06:53:43
What was the issue with Owen and his lack of dedication ed?


{Ed001's Note - gambling, he was more interested in gambling and his horses than playing football. Oh and bullying young players into high stakes game of cards that they could not afford. Horrible little rat of a man.}

04 Aug 2017 21:21:24
Cmon Liverpool fans give the eds a break. You can't defend the indefensible. LFCs behaviour has been embarrassing and that's a FACT. Eds002 is only saying it like it is and I completely agree. I just hope they finally learn from this.

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04 Aug 2017 21:43:46
The only people defending tapping up of a player are a bit shot in the head. But what you might take on board Jaxsun is that Liverpool apologised, Southampton accepted the apology and suggested that they considered the matter closed, or if not, please show me where their statement is that says otherwise as this was widely reported in the media and Southampton never denied it.
The PL did nothing as they understood Southampton accepted the apology.
Now it is time for both clubs to move on and we can start re-building a relationship with them again from scratch probably.
I'm pretty sure if we offer enough money for that Dutch defender, we'll all be friends again until next season when we are linked to Romeou or someone else in their squad who had a great season.


04 Aug 2017 21:58:45
Totally agree. Ed2 only stating the facts as they are, despite being attacked and abused by narrow-minded, short sighted so called supporters. The club has behaved appallingly as have people who try to defend the indefensible. It shows a certain lack of maturity on their end and the poor attempts to justify what the club has done is exactly that, feeble.


04 Aug 2017 23:50:12
what do you think of the tactics of some Barcelona players and ex players, all putting it out that Couts would be perfect for Barcelona, I don't like it at all, and they do this all the time they want to sign someone, now that should be reported to someone, in fact some team did threaten them recently .


05 Aug 2017 00:49:22
No difference in when ex lfc players talk about other players like Aldridge on vvd! What's good for 1 is good for all.


05 Aug 2017 03:18:06
Redforever I understand your gripe but how many ex reds have mentioned VVD, we shouldn't dish it out if we can't take it, how can we plead dodgy behaviour when ours is checkered at best? Pot Kettle black don't you think?


05 Aug 2017 21:55:50
Ex players who don't work for the club but work in the media answering questions they're asked. Le Tissier has commented many times on players coming to Southampton before they've signed. Charlie Nicholas on players going to Arsenal or Celtic. The difference is that Barcelona use current players like how Liverpool used to use Stevie G. It's a bit low to say the least IMO.


04 Aug 2017 21:18:15
I have been impressed with wisdom tonight anyone else think he was worth a shot.

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04 Aug 2017 22:13:44
I always thought Wisdom was worth a shout as cover for both RB and CB.
But you also need to wonder about his prospects, he obviously wanted to be a regular and he was never going to get that with us.


05 Aug 2017 00:50:44
Not good enough.


04 Aug 2017 20:10:27
So a Chelsea bid for VVD can open some doors I reckon.

VVD as we know wants to join LFC. Game of cat and mouse.

Pele the best footballer ever. Peace out.

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04 Aug 2017 21:16:46
I know Chelsea have a long standing interest in VvD, but is it a wise move for them to go for a player they know has his heart set on a move elsewhere?


05 Aug 2017 03:25:28
We all hope that VVD want a us that BAD hed dismiss Chelsea but for all we know he could be so g forced out to anyone but us, if so he'd have no issues going to Chelsea if say they were his only other option, he s not gona quit football if it's not us is he? Fingers crossed we are given the chance to resolve this for all concerned but it wouldn't shock me if he had a change of heart around Chelsea if it's a case of needs must to get out at all costs, squeaky bum time for reds everywhere, buckle up lads.


04 Aug 2017 20:04:02
Hi Eds, any news on Stydge's injury? Will he likely be fit to start the season? I would love to have him fit this season.

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{Ed001's Note - he should be fit.}

04 Aug 2017 20:09:06
Great thanks for the update. Keeping him fit is a challenge but if we can get 30 games out of him it would be like having a top new signing.


04 Aug 2017 21:21:12
He is having a scan/ check-up next week and should be in the match day squad on the 12th.


04 Aug 2017 21:26:46
I don't think it's so much about the games Mikey, he made 20 premier league appearances last year, it's getting him ready to start games and keeping it that way.

I really hope we can get a full season out of him this year, as you're absolutely right in the fact it would be like a new signing.


04 Aug 2017 22:15:57
Having him fit would really take the heat off the Lallana injury, drop Firmino in and play Studge up top.


05 Aug 2017 03:16:51
I am not sure that Lallana starts anyway, if Couts stays.


04 Aug 2017 20:00:20
hey, I'm just throwing an idea I had a few days ago out there. don't get mad at me lol

with it looking less and less likely for us to sign vvd / more and more likely we will lose coutinho, why aren't we trying to ask for somebody that could replace vvd from barce in return? to me it just makes sense or am I missing something?

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{Ed002's Note - The club would like to decide on their own targets and unless they coincide with the Barcelona surpus pile it makes little or no sense to go down that route.}

04 Aug 2017 20:12:46
Barca's center backs:

Pique: not for sale.
Mascherano: do I need to explain why this won't work?
Umtiti: Arrived only last season and was made 1st choice. Not for sale.
Vermaelen: A once good player who's struggled badly with injuries and has played 33 games in 3 years. No thanks.
Marlon: Unproven.

That's why we're not trying that.


04 Aug 2017 20:18:10
Replace vvd? They have mascherano pique umtiti and a new guy forgot his name, wouldn't take any really.


04 Aug 2017 20:34:56
thanks for the responses. what I was getting at, is somebody like umtiti is who we should be asking for! if they want to take coutinho who is not for sale and will hurt our club immensely on his departure, we should be asking for somebody of the same stature in return.


04 Aug 2017 21:18:02
The problem is, Umtiti would want to move. He is first choice there and I think he would have no interest in a move.


04 Aug 2017 19:26:04
Opinions on the goalkeeping situation lads?

It's a lot easier to compete for major trophies with a top goalie, or at least a good one, because putting it simply, you're going to have an off-day here and there every season, no matter how good you are and might need a bail out. De Gea's been worth 10 points to Utd every season at least, and Courtois and Lloris are good enough to get their teams out of a mess if called on. Because of that I don't see Mignolet as the answer long-term. He improved last season, but just to the point of not being a direct liability anymore, which is really the bare minimum we should expect from a goalie. Basically, the best he's shown in four seasons is average.

He still doesn't command his area that well, he's still poor with his feet and he doesn't make particularly special saves. He's never made anything close to the save Ward made just before Athletico's goal the other night, for example. Karius has a lot more potential, he's better in 1v1s, more athletic and far better with his feet, but he seems to have serious issues concentrating and takes a lot of risks (eg. when he rushed out of his box to beat Lewandowski to a ball, but then tried to pick a team-mate with the header instead of just getting as much distance as he could) which makes him very bad for my blood pressure. I'll confess to not seeing a lot of Ward, but he seems more comfortable with the ball than Migs and a better shot stopper.

To me, we have to take a risk on giving Karius or Ward a run in the team if we have any intentions of keeping them - and that means starting one of them against Hoffenheim and Watford and keeping them in for at least a few games regardless of performance - ahead of Migs to see will they step up. If we start the season with Migs, then as far as I'm concerned we might as well sell the other two and get a new 1st choice keeper.

My initial expectation for the season was for Klopp to play one goalie in the Premier League, and another in the Champions League and Cups for the first couple of months and then make a decision on who to make 1st choice, but with him keeping Ward at the club and saying he wants a competition between all three, I'm not sure what he's going to do.

Incidentally, Ward and Karius were born on the same day.

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{Ed025's Note - i bet it was april 1st..

04 Aug 2017 19:53:45
I think Migs is the stand out keeper out of the 3 and done more than enough in the second half of the seadon to start as first choice. Its up to the other keepers to show that they are better and for me they haven't so far. As long as Migs played like he did at the back end of the season then we have no issue with a "first choice".


{Ed025's Note - i tend to agree irish..

04 Aug 2017 20:43:48
Pieces of 8.pieces of 8.just repeating what 1 of the eds has said. shh.


04 Aug 2017 20:56:08
Ward looked good in preseason.


04 Aug 2017 23:56:04
Karius still has an issue with catching a ball .


{Ed025's Note - not a great trait in a goalie RF..

04 Aug 2017 18:47:09
If we do sell Coutinho this will be terrible for us next season. We cannot compete at the top end if we sell our most important player. I have said previously that FSG are at Liverpool purely as a business opportunity. They are not interested in winning trophies at all. They have updated the stadium for purely commercial aspects and to increase the value of the club when they eventually sell. I do not want to hear rubbish talk that we cannot keep Coutinho. If we say no that means no. If it does happen we will be be set back immeasurably and while all our rivals are strengthening we will be weaker. The sooner these owners are gone and we have new owners that want to win things the better. Believe me people do not believe how bad we will be this season without Phil. Shame on you FSG.

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{Ed002's Note - The owners are not buying and selling players.}

04 Aug 2017 20:16:44
I love how you say 'Shame on you FSG' over a hypothetical event that hasn't even happened.


04 Aug 2017 20:51:49
I fail to see how increasing stadium size and club's value is a bad thing.


04 Aug 2017 20:59:05
The owners can't win with some fans and this nonsense about being unable to compete without Coutinho makes my blood boil.
He's a good player, he is not our only good player.
Get a grip and stop acting like spoilt kids.


04 Aug 2017 21:11:45
I'm sure FSG hiring one of the most expensive managers in the world is because of all the commercial money klipperty will bring in, similar to what PSG are planning with Neymar. To be fair with the amount of people I've seen with Klopp shirts, they probably make a profit of that as well the cheeky buggers, genius really.


04 Aug 2017 22:29:33
I didn't think he was ready for Barca. Yet.

In some games last year he was very predictable. If he was that good Madrid would be in for him as well.


04 Aug 2017 23:10:11
Well said Ron 👍🏻.


04 Aug 2017 18:29:15
Ed’s a few questions regarding Liverpool’s Transfer issues:

1) Is this historically a Liverpool issue from way back regarding tapping up or is this recent to our new owners? Being an American I know that we sell and buy plays differently in our sports and wondering if the new owners are grasping the rules required for this sport? (And yes, I know they should know the process by now)

2) Or is this transfer tapping up something that is a Klopp issue? I am assuming that there is nothing special in Germany that allows this tapping up to occur so why does Klopp not understand that this is a problem.

I am more concerned with the root of the issue and why we continue to act like this and who in the club would fix this issue. It is obviously causing a issue with our standing in the game and in dealings with other teams.

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{Ed001's Note - it is something that has been going on since before both Klopp and the arrival of FSG.}

04 Aug 2017 20:53:19
There are really clear rules in American sports too. Probably more strictly enforced too.


04 Aug 2017 22:21:27
So who is to blame then. If the issues pre date manager changes and ownership is the tea lady setting up these meetings? Surely fsg could get a handle on this and stop it publicly with a sacrificial name or names and prove they are trying to wipe the slate and could this not help start to build reputation with other clubs? Seems strange they have sat back if they have no involvement / knowledge of our behaviour in the market and are embarrassed by it. Sorry to call the tea lady out sure it's not fault really.


{Ed025's Note - she,s been brewing up trouble for years mate..

04 Aug 2017 22:21:27
So who is to blame then. If the issues pre date manager changes and ownership is the tea lady setting up these meetings? Surely fsg could get a handle on this and stop it publicly with a sacrificial name or names and prove they are trying to wipe the slate and could this not help start to build reputation with other clubs? Seems strange they have sat back if they have no involvement / knowledge of our behaviour in the market and are embarrassed by it. Sorry to call the tea lady out sure it's not fault really.


04 Aug 2017 18:09:38
Wish people wouldn't be so negative on here.

Noone expects Lallana to be 1st choice, but now he's injured we have a massive panic on!

Milner, Grujic, Coutinho, Woodburn can all play in that CM role

Klopp has always said that buying a player to help with an injury for a couple of months makes no sense and there really is no reason to panic.

Pre season has gone pretty well so far, better than most other teams, our squad isn't a disaster, and there's stil a month to go for the window to close and so many deals usually happen in the last couple of days/ hours anyway.

Relax people, everything is going to be alright!

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04 Aug 2017 18:24:43
Grujic and Woodburn are not ready for regular prem or CL football. We need another one in at least.


{Ed001's Note - they are perfectly capable of covering for a short term injury.}

04 Aug 2017 19:08:00
Can, Hendo, Milner, Wijnaldum and Coutinho is plenty of established players to have in central midfield. We won't be depending on Grujic or Woodburn every game.

And also, Grujic, Woodburn or any other young player at the club are not going to become ready for regular Prem or CL football without actually playing in the Prem or CL football more than three times a season are they?

Signing another player for the sake of a couple of months without Lallana would be both a waste of money and detrimental to the development of our younger players. We're fine with what we have.


04 Aug 2017 18:58:50
I really rate grujic everytime I see him he impressed me.


04 Aug 2017 19:11:09
I think im reading to much into your replys ed lol. You convinced me we will see more arrivals and now youve nearly convinced me there won't be lol🤔.


04 Aug 2017 19:50:56
Disappointed Lallana is injured, of course he would be first choice. However it does give an opportunity for Grujic who looks class. But worried about his temperament though looks like he has a red card in him. Anyone know his record for his previous club discipline wise?


04 Aug 2017 20:05:43
Grujic, if given time, will turn into a very good footballer and having watched him in preseason this year and last and his few other appearances I think he is very composed for such a young lad. With Lallanas' injury it will move him up the pecking order and could give him the chance he needs to show what he has.


04 Aug 2017 20:54:24
Opportunity for someone else.


04 Aug 2017 22:21:46
Oh, and a lot of us expect Lallana to be first choice.


04 Aug 2017 22:36:59
They need games, TTA and Grujic and Kent are well ready for a game a week.
Ben being younger needs to be handled different. Great talents,


04 Aug 2017 17:49:32
I have to say ED002 is right to criticise Klopp about tapping up VVD but I'm more concerned that with Lallana's injury, a serious lack of planning has been revealed. We're heading into the new seasin with fewer first team midfielders than last season. That's crazy unless this is addressed by purchases. At this late stage I doubt it. What are your views Eds? Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - how are we? Stewart was never in the first team and Lucas was only a back up option, usually in defence, but we have now added Salah, allowing Couts to play midfield and Robertson, allowing Milner to play midfield. I really don't get why people are worried. Lallana is going to struggle to get a game unless Couts is sold anyway.}

04 Aug 2017 18:09:30
Agree with ed01 here I don't see lallana being first choice if we keep phil and if can stays too we have plenty of options.


04 Aug 2017 18:44:18
Lallana's injury doesn't impact the quality of the first elevan it just leaves us bare as we again lack depth.


04 Aug 2017 19:00:40
Only becomes an issue if Coutinho is sold as Lallana is pretty much the same kind of player. Bad timing but no need to panic buy especially when it means Grujic will get a chance.


04 Aug 2017 19:40:01
I disagree here Ed. I still think Klopp sees Lallana in his first 11. He alongside Firmino are pivotal in the way Liverpool press. He likes smart players and he is certainly one of the smartest.


04 Aug 2017 20:30:33
I think anyone who thinks Lallana will struggle to get a game is slightly baffled (no disrespect intended)

Klopp loves him to bits, he will find a way to play him.


04 Aug 2017 22:28:54
3 weeks of transfer window yet i still see incomings.


04 Aug 2017 22:39:04
I bet Spearmint Rhino are happy.


04 Aug 2017 17:48:18
Can I just make suggestion that everyone moves on from the Liverpool Southampton tapping up questions. As a long term user of the site it has made it tedious to use and if I feel like that the eds must be getting pissed off with it. Remember lads footballs supposed to fun.

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04 Aug 2017 18:12:55
Agree - we clearly screwed up and hopefully won't be repeated. end of story.


04 Aug 2017 18:23:13
The fun is going out of the game.


04 Aug 2017 17:44:01
If Coutinho wants to go and pushes for a transfer fair enough there is nothing the club can do about that. The thing that worries me is Lallana is now out for a couple of months it would leave us very short. There seems to be no other interest in any other players apart from VVD and Keita ( won't happen ) . I don't want the club to sign players just for the sake of it but if we don't get anyone in to improve thet will be an absolute disaster of a window.

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04 Aug 2017 18:08:41
I know rb have said they won't sell but what if this is just me spinning btw if now that they realised naby won't sign a new contract and won't be able to up the clause that they must sell this window otherwise they are going to loose out on quiet abit of money? I know rb don't need cash but at the end of the day they are business men.


04 Aug 2017 18:44:14
If he's leipzigs best player though, they'll make it back by qualifing for next seasons champions league.


04 Aug 2017 19:01:10
Not guaranteed Hugh that would be 30 million in there pockets and who says they can't replace him if RB are as good enough to qualify that team just doesn't revolve around him.


04 Aug 2017 23:33:16
Truth is RB aren't expected to compete regularly against dortmund and bayern as is and losing their best players at this juncture would constitute scrapping any title aspirations they have for this year. I can't blame RB for denying us a star in the making given that they have no real options to replacement before the season starts.


04 Aug 2017 17:00:47
So apparently Lallana is out for at least 2 months with a thigh injury. Massive blow imo and given that we don't seem to be signing more midfielders this window it is a massive chance for Grujic to step up. Hope he does.

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04 Aug 2017 17:15:04
hes not good enough. and lfc make their own problems.


04 Aug 2017 17:21:20
Gutted Lallana is out injured but some of our fan base will be happy as all they do is run him down.


04 Aug 2017 17:47:27
Yes it's bad news for lallana as it was a chance for him to progress from a good last season. But this means the young talent may be given more time. I hope we don't go and buy a replacement or else the likes of Grujic will need to leave. Kent also looks to be a good talent.

Baz.


04 Aug 2017 15:13:25
it will be the best thing if liverpool get knocked out by Hoffenheim

because for 1 thing all the moaning about transfers will end.

haven't you guys learned by now lfc are not exactly the elite when it comes to signing players. remember the konoplyanka saga. and salah. and willian. liverpool bidding low and taking their time.

so. without champions league. it might help cope with the injury prone players they have.

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04 Aug 2017 17:03:05
You are a muppet 😂 if we lose we go into the Europa league which is twice as bad!

Why you think Liverpool missing out on the (roughly) £30m you get just for appearing in the group stages is a good thing, I don't know. Let alone the fact you seem to be suggesting missing out on playing the likes of Real Madrid is somehow beneficial. Dear god.


04 Aug 2017 17:05:05
We would fall into the Europa and play more games.


04 Aug 2017 17:16:44
i actually didn't know that. but i would strongly believe the manager would not play his strongest squad. or his first choice 11 for a prem game

as crazy as it sounds. i think europe will cause liverpool more problems - players are dropping every week.


04 Aug 2017 17:24:34
Read it was closer to 50 million.


04 Aug 2017 16:08:07
Heard that Lallana is out for 4 months, he's torn his quad muscle. Huge blow.

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04 Aug 2017 16:31:20
No way Couts can go then really, and we prob need to dip in the kitty too!

Really sad for him and the squad if its true!


04 Aug 2017 17:49:50
You don't buy to replace injured players unless you plan on selling them. Still have can hendo coutinho gini and Gruijic - if any of them leave we may buy.


04 Aug 2017 19:57:25
A ball hasn't been kicked yet already people panicking salad and Robertson will improve the starting 11 that's what you need to do every transfer window not finishing 4th and buying 5 or 6 players.


04 Aug 2017 16:05:49
Is Lallana out injured ed?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't know, sorry.}

04 Aug 2017 16:57:14
Yupp the official website has confirmed😣.


04 Aug 2017 17:05:02
Yes, confirmed on the club's website.


04 Aug 2017 15:22:34
Question regarding VVD,

After having tapped up VVD, Liverpool was reported to the PL by Saints and threatened with a fine, that was eventually dropped.

Obviously Van Dijk wasn't tapped up against his will, so if Van Dijk to Liverpool eventually did go through, could Saints threaten VVD himself for not honouring his contract.

Or might they even reopen the Premier League's investigation by providing evidence for the tapping up which they (allegedly) decided against using when they first reported Liverpool.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - That is simply not true - you are making this stuff up. There was no threat of a fine and there was no PL investigation - the matter sits on file.}

04 Aug 2017 18:01:58
I think maybe the misunderstanding is one of two things perhaps

1) the OP is confusing the VVD situation with that of the young lad from Stoke
Or

2. There is a misunderstanding in communication with the Eds somehere or failure to pay attention to what is read maybe when a few weeks ago when the Ed's (May have been yourself Ed002) stated there was a complaint lodged and a potential investigation some people assumed that an investigation had taken place. But you know hat they say if you assume something it makes an ASS out of U and ME. :)


{Ed002's Note - There has been no investigation - the complaint sits on file.}

04 Aug 2017 15:11:31
if PC plays in CL playoff doesn't that make him ineligible for CL proper so. if he plays will that reduce his cost to Barca?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

04 Aug 2017 12:44:03
Hoffenhiem then. worst draw possible. If we fail against them coutinho is off. As will be my wifes head.

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04 Aug 2017 14:37:53
Lfc can forget any hopes of a prem lgue title if chelsea buy vvd . is anyone else getting frustrated and angry with klopps performance in getting players in. and reduce the price of players he wants out and those that want to go get rid . and don't make it public who they want.

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04 Aug 2017 15:27:55
Deano, why should we get angry and frustrated at Klopp? What does he have to do with setting prices of players leaving or controlling the ability to get players in. I'm sure he approved a list of players he wanted, but if those players clubs will not sell or LFC will not meet the price again that's hardly Klopps fault, although some blame should be attached to him for the VVD mess.
If he was attempting to get in mediocre players then I'd be angry. Yes it's frustrating that other clubs have got some of their priority targets and we haven't but I think that's just reflecting how poor LFC are in handling transfers.


04 Aug 2017 15:58:51
It is Klopps fault! Why can't you understand? Klopp illegally had a meeting with VVD without the permission of Southampton.
This would be like Barcelonas Manager having a meeting with Pipco without Liverpools approval. You wouldn't be happy at that would you?
Some people need to wake up.


04 Aug 2017 21:34:32
Bandit Klop illegally met with vvd and didn't approach his agent before he met him, In case he probably done the same, konoplyanka a few seasons ago before Klop came that went pear shaped. lfc continue to make it public who they want and don't do things legally.
The hamstring injuries are down to him pushing the players too hard .


04 Aug 2017 14:28:06
Jeeze, its embarrassing enough that our club behaves so badly trying to poach players, but then to see some of our fans fans trying to excuse this behaviour.

Carry on like this and the club will be punished or shunned.

Id be more concerned to know if the club has taken steps to stop this.

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04 Aug 2017 16:00:16
I think they now have to. It's completely embarrassing and arrogant how we are going about our transfer business. And not just in this window.


04 Aug 2017 16:00:19
Or you could just ignore the fans that you say are trying to excuse this behaviour and live a normal happy existence and support the club the way you see fit.


04 Aug 2017 16:19:10
These pages have turned into moaning. moaning at the people moaning about the moaning and groaning.

Ah Fxxk sake I've just moaned about the moaning which means I'm now moaning at the moaners, moaning jeez.


04 Aug 2017 14:08:10
Hoffenheim. The one team I would have picked to avoid. Still we can't beat them then we shouldn't be there. Time to stop talking transfers and let's start playing.

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04 Aug 2017 14:00:38
Hi eds
Do you think we are waiting for the outcome of our champs league qualifier before actually signing anyone?
Ta.

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{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool has already signed a number of players.}

04 Aug 2017 13:26:29
Hi Eds,

Can Liverpool not just retract the statement "withdrawing all interest in VVD" and keep the apology for tapping him up? don't see how they have to go hand in hand, of coarse the club is still interested in him and now they are genuinely sorry for tapping him up as its caused chaos.

But for any club to say they aren't interested in the world class CB that is VVD is lying through their pearly whites.

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{Ed002's Note - Sure, they can retract half of their statement. That might be a fun thing to hear or read.}

04 Aug 2017 16:14:49
Hi Eds,

Correct me if I am wrong but with regards to the statement, Liverpool said they have ended their interest in the player, this is due to Southampton saying that VVD is not for sale. Surely if that stance changes and he becomes available or another team has an offer accepted by Southampton. Liverpool would not be doing anything wrong or going back on the statement if we became interested again and matched or bettered an offer.

Of course i could understand Southampton having a preference not to deal with us and they would have every right to do that. Surely as clubs are ran as a business they would try and get the most money for VVD even if that meant selling him to us.

I am not condoning what happened previously and don't wish to discuss that because its been well covered on here by the eds and fellow reds.


{Ed002's Note - No, they ended their interest as part of the apology for tapping him up illegally. Liverpool had not spoken with Southampton.}

04 Aug 2017 13:06:05
Traffic on Barcelona page is so slow considering the Neymar sale. Puts the lfc pages to shame lol

Anyways my question to ed2 is this - what are the tangible impacts of Liverpool's inappropriate and illegal transfer approaches? Either already realized or potential?

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{Ed002's Note - Fine, points deduction, transfer ban, kicked out of Europe for a while - all sorts of things potentially.}

04 Aug 2017 13:32:08
ED02, I know you will not post this ................ .


{Ed002's Note - You start any post with bullshit like that and no it will not get posted. As for your point, you fail to grasp that the behavior is well beyong unprofessional and unacceptable - which is one of the reasons they are in the gutter again. And no, not everybody else acts like this.}

04 Aug 2017 15:09:08
Ok ED02, appreciate your reply and points.

Fair enough.

Thanks.


04 Aug 2017 15:09:08
Ok ED02, appreciate your reply and points.

Fair enough.

Thanks.


04 Aug 2017 20:58:07
Cool thanks ed2.


04 Aug 2017 12:58:42
Living one hour away from Hoffenheim for the last year. Delighted with the draw, should be my first chance to watch Liverpool live for 3 years!

Seen my fair share of Bundesliga games last season, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Mainz, Leipzig, but nothing better than watching the reds!

Cant wait.

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04 Aug 2017 12:14:42
With sturridge showing he is as injury prone as ever will klopp be eyeing another striker? He is the best striker in the league on his day but so unreliable.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no shortage of forwards. Firmino plays that role - Origi and Ings are there and Solanke has already been added.}

04 Aug 2017 14:47:53
Berg, I don't think that Klopp will sign another striker, tho, I am not 100 per cent happy at the moment with what we have, as Ings is nowhere ready, Solanke needs a season breaking thru, Sturridge will miss half the season, and Origi also needs another season .


04 Aug 2017 16:04:46
I believe we have enough strikers. This is the season when Origi and others need to step up and prove their worth. How long do you hold them back and stop them from trying to realise their potential?


04 Aug 2017 12:00:29
Ed 002 ................

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{Ed002's Note - You must be very proud supporting the most unprofessional team in

04 Aug 2017 12:29:40
That is in your opinion ED02, not everybody will agree with you!


{Ed002's Note - Few people in the game would disagree. Why do you think the "elite" clubs shun Liverpool? Why are Liverpool repeatedly caught and warned about their illegal behavior. Why has there already been one complaint this season to the authorities. You seem to think it OK to damage the careers of professionals contracted to other clubs - but other clubs don't.}

04 Aug 2017 13:12:02
If what you're saying is the consensus in the footballing world Ed002 then just how rotten is the management of the club and where does it end?

I do think you've got a personal vendetta against LFC, all things considered, though.


{Ed002's Note - What have I said that is not true?}

04 Aug 2017 13:25:23
Why is it whenever ed02 mentions the truth of things that our club has actually done. He/ she gets labelled with having a personal vendetta against lfc. Would you prefer he/ she just told us lies and said everything is peachy when it is not.


04 Aug 2017 13:46:27
FFS!

Why have a pop at Ed002 because he speaks the truth.

I get SICK of you all abusing him when he tells it how it is!

Get off his back and grow a pair of balls you bunch of ignoramus's!

vrcomp
Y. N. W. A.


04 Aug 2017 14:14:24
I think everyone needs to calm down here including ed 0002 We do look bad when it comes to dealing with transfers but there is no need for some of you to be petty and ignorant .


{Ed002's Note - I don't need to "calm down", I am perfectly calm.}

04 Aug 2017 14:59:34
LOL@ED02. I reckon it's Roy Hodgson. Sounds like him from the Podcast anyway.


04 Aug 2017 14:59:34
LOL@ED02. I reckon it's Roy Hodgson. Sounds like him from the Podcast anyway.


04 Aug 2017 16:01:48
ED02 how can this just be a Livepool thing, if people from other clubs are coming to Liverpool and doing it? Surely this would mean BVB are just as bad seeing as its Klopp doing it? Or did Klopps morals miraculously change when coming to Liverpool.


{Ed002's Note - I have explained about what happened at Dortmund before.

04 Aug 2017 16:44:17
Fair play but you don't sound calm.


04 Aug 2017 12:00:27

lfc won't sign anyone because they need to sign defenders to add to a small and injury squad. so because they need to do that, they won't. they will faff around and annoy clubs and the manager will be telling the fans relax the team are good.

now for my opinion lfc will s=probably make top 6 and place 6th - its the worst defence as i believe 5 other teams have stronger squads and defenders.
i don't fully understand why go into the season handicapping themselves with alienating sakho and probably wanting to sell moreno. lfc can't cope with injured players now.
i know u all think taa is good. he is going forward. but klopp directed him the whole game and made other players to support everytime with the defending

sure their is optimism for the attack. but that's it.
i can't be excited cos they have no chance to win the league. because they didn't sort out the defence. tell me if u think wrong on this 1 point?

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04 Aug 2017 12:08:27
Do you need a hug, RedRebel?


04 Aug 2017 13:06:09
Alienating Sakho? . What, you think we should pamper to a disruptive, childish player? If he is so great, why aren't other clubs knocking down the door for him.


04 Aug 2017 13:30:40
I'll tell you - I think you're wrong.


04 Aug 2017 13:38:16
Our defence has improved in signing Robertson and last years defence was enough to get us top 4, so don't know why your stressing out or bringing up sakho who didn't play.


04 Aug 2017 14:54:00
TAA is only 18 years old, and that means he should be getting looked after, by the time he is 21 yrs old, I am hoping that he will be one of the best young players in Europe, he is that good, if you can't see that, go to Specsavers .


04 Aug 2017 11:23:16
Hoffenhiem in the draw away first leg tasty could have been worse could of been better but I think we can nick a goal away and get a early goal at home and put it to bed.

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04 Aug 2017 11:38:17
We'll smash them in the first leg 😎.


04 Aug 2017 11:42:04
Looking at the draw, arguably the 4 strongest teams have been drawn together! . I would think Hoffenheim are more gutted than us!


04 Aug 2017 11:50:55
The team I didn't want! Could be a tricky one, can easily beat us if we aren't up for it or ready!


04 Aug 2017 11:52:07
We'll know exactly what needs to be done when they come to Anfield. No concerns. I would expect Mane, Salah, Firmino and Coutinho to put this one to bed in Germany though.


04 Aug 2017 12:38:00
I prefer been at home second leg hopefully they will come out guns blazing and be hit on the counter only have to look at what Bayern done and what happens to them.


04 Aug 2017 12:57:08
"hopefully they come out guns blazing" errrrr have you seen them play. its the worst team we could've faced. a defensive side that every team struggled to break down last season. What is it that our team struggles with again? Shouldn't have a problem if we are the great team we all think we are but can't see this being goals galore at all.


04 Aug 2017 13:09:31
jamesy, they will only come out guns blazing, if they are behind from the first leg. If not it will be 11 behind the ball, and we all know how useless we are when that happens.


04 Aug 2017 11:22:01
Ouch, tough draw.

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04 Aug 2017 11:21:56
hoffenheim in the qualifier! firmino vs his old team, I predict 2-0 away 3-0 home :)

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04 Aug 2017 11:19:17
Hoffenheim! worst possible draw imo.

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04 Aug 2017 11:43:40
If we have any hope of a title push or doing well in the league this year the likes of Hoffenheim should not be an issue. If we can't get past them we don't deserve to be in the CL.


04 Aug 2017 12:27:24
Why exactly are folks worried about this draw? Hoffenheim is a team that UCL challengers are expected to dismantle over 2 legs so why should it be any different for us? If we struggle against Hoffenheim, we will struggle to make it out of the group stages and I have full faith in Klopp he will not let either worst case scenarios happen at any cost.


04 Aug 2017 12:58:03
folks are worried because hoffenheim is the german version of every team we struggled against last season but with better players.


04 Aug 2017 11:28:59
Hoffenheim it is then with second leg at Anfield. Not easy but we should have too much for them over two legs.

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04 Aug 2017 11:28:12
Hoffenhiem it is lads. Not a push over by any means, decent side with a decent coach although they've sold 2 of their so called best players Rudy and Sule. Happy with us playing the first leg in Germany to be honest.

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04 Aug 2017 11:28:00
Hoffenheim in the champions league play offs.
Tricky game but that's what we love about the champions league!

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04 Aug 2017 11:26:53
We got Hoffenheim. Klopp should know a few things about them. 👍🏻.

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04 Aug 2017 11:25:27
Hoffenheim!

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04 Aug 2017 09:14:50
I know ill get shouted at, but was just wondering is it likely we will make anymore signings this transfer window? This is not just aimed at the eds who I know are busy, but fellow posters.

By the way eds you do a great job, really appreciated.

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04 Aug 2017 10:14:12
It depends if ed002 decides that we need further additions to the squad.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure there will be a change or two to be made in August.}

04 Aug 2017 10:15:21
I expect VVD to sign and one other, maybe a cm or winger.


04 Aug 2017 13:32:14
Thanks for not shouting at me, can come out from behind the sofa now.

Be interesting to see who, we sign. I don't believe it will be VVD i think we've blown it. We defiantly need a CB though, think we could do with a holding midfielder as well personally.


04 Aug 2017 09:05:14
Anyone else think by the sounds of Klopps comments last night and in the way he was talking about the signings we have made, that it sounds like he doesn't think we will get anymore players in? Little worrying! That would be a disaster after all the talk, especially now we are in the CL.

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04 Aug 2017 09:56:33
Only modern football fans would call signing 3 players for around £50m a disaster!

I actually think we have made good signings and would be content with going into the season with what we have. A centre back would be nice if possible but if not, Gomez is deserving of a chance.


04 Aug 2017 10:30:34
Agree with MK. Our squad as it is now is improved from last year. Surely that's a successful window? If we can get VVD over the line and keep hold of Coutinho I'd say it's a very successful window.


04 Aug 2017 10:34:40
Fail to see any disaster, i see a team ready to go again with a years more experience and a lot of promising young players. 2 positions improved upon with a young promising striker and would make more sense to build the team rather than change it around every season.
Should only be buying if its thought to be a clear improvement, if not players and coaching staff should be giving their all to improve regardless of any signings.


04 Aug 2017 10:50:01
Don't think the squad is "complete" yet. There's still need for a quality CB.
I still hope one comes in.


04 Aug 2017 10:59:46
Some of the youth players and returned loanees will be like new signings. Not to mention long term injuries coming back.

Ward, Arnold, Flanagan, Gomez, Matip, Robertson, Grujic, Woodburn, Henderson, Kent, Salah, Mane, Sturridge, Ings and Solanke will all feel like new signings as none of them were available for a lot of last season. Just because only 3 of them cost money this summer, does not mean they won't improve the squad. People seem to forget we were missing Mane, Matip and Henderson for significant periods of time. And Gomez, Grujic and Ings were in the u23's recovering all season.

Everything will be okay.


04 Aug 2017 11:02:44
While we have made modest improvements to the squad, compared to other teams around us such as Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal we are again struggling to catch up. So once again we are reliant on Klopp being able to get more out of the group that he has or some of the younger players turn a corner and take massive strides this season. We have purchased Salah and Robertson (for a modest fee) and Solanke. We could well lose Coutinho, im really hoping not. I think we still need at least 2, maybe 3 quality signings to compete with teams around us this season.


04 Aug 2017 11:34:15
We've purchased 1 first team player when we were already about 4 first team players down on the other 'top' teams around us.

It's been a pretty shambolic summer so far, however you want to spin it. Embarassing public apologies, weeks and weeks chasing after a player we knew a team didn't want to sell and now, we're all hoping we pull a few miracles out of the bag in the next 3 weeks.

The only shining light is the fact we're now seeing Coutihno as part of the middle 3 which thankfully gives us a lot more options. But this summer, like previous ones has been a wreck - 1 first team player, a kid and a left-back we're all hoping is better than Moreno.

If you're happy to fight for 4th, great. If you want to win the title, you'll be diappointed with our summer activity.


04 Aug 2017 11:34:54
@The Irish Rover - how are we "catching up" when the season hasn't even begun yet? Last time I checked we're all on the same points: 0. The hysteria surrounding our lack of 100mil signings is just laughable - it is a team game and we are assembling a team, spunking a load of money on another player or 2 will not magically turn us (or anyone) into a nailed on league champion. We should buy if the players are available and hold off if they are not - we have panic bought far too much in the past, we do not need to do so again.


04 Aug 2017 12:22:46
Seano,

A real simple question then:

Would buying VVD and Naby Keita give us more chance of winning the league?

If you say yes, you're post is a load of nonsense. If you say no, then I would say you're talking out your backside.


04 Aug 2017 12:31:40
I'd rather keep coutinho than worry about new signings, I agree with mk, loan and youth players that weren't available last season aswell as the three brought in will be good enough if nobody else comes in.


04 Aug 2017 12:45:36
Seano. Name the last time (Leicester apart) that a team outside Chelsea, City or United won the league?


04 Aug 2017 17:32:48
Arsenal 03/ 04.


05 Aug 2017 08:36:02
Did they win because they spent a load of money? Or because they assembled a TEAM? Certain players we wanted are now unavailable in part down to our own foolish behaviour - that is the reality but it is far from the disaster or season ending woe you's are all making it out to be.

The squad, by sheer virtue of the youngsters looking to have improved, looks a lot stronger than it did last season. We now have a proper left back (as well as an improving Moreno), an exciting young right back, a threat on both wings, an abundance of forward options, a very strong midfield as well as a few youngsters looking to make a name for themselves. I think the squad is in pretty good shape personally - a CB would perhaps improve it but at the same time I don't think we are doomed to failure without one. As I said the hysteria over us not signing Van Dyke and Keita is over the top.

Oh, and as an addendum, the transfer window is still open - we may well buy another expensive player for you to cream your pants over yet.


06 Aug 2017 23:20:14
A team Seano Arsenal had a team of very talented players that complimented each other very well and everything just clicked for them that year.


04 Aug 2017 08:12:50
ed 1 do you think danny ward will start the season in goal.

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, it depends on how he gets on over the next week or so, but it seems unlikely to be anyone but Mignolet.}

04 Aug 2017 08:37:01
thanks for you reply ed. pity i think he commands his area better of the three keeper we have.


{Ed001's Note - it does make little sense to use him as a 3rd choice keeper, that is for sure.}

04 Aug 2017 08:40:10
Migs starts the season as the No.1 GK. With Ward's performances from last season and the showing against Atleti, Karius should be very worried though. Can see Karius going out on loan in January if his form does not take an upturn.


04 Aug 2017 08:50:10
It was one of the most stupid things we have ever done rejecting Huddersfield, a prem loan would of been perfect for us and the player to keep improving, shame too as I think he's been really good preseason.


04 Aug 2017 10:29:26
You think that's one of the most stupid thing we've done this summer bahahaha.


04 Aug 2017 10:33:31
I keep saying this but everyone complaining about Ward not going out on loan, what happens if Migs or Karius gets injured? Or are we supposed to bring in another keeper and let Ward go out on loan? Three keepers are required for a squad and that is what we have. A season of training with the first team, understanding the way we play will do wonders for Ward and who knows maybe he'll be ready to step into the first team next season.


04 Aug 2017 10:54:21
Why would you keep a gk that can start in another team as 3rd choice?
And which gk who knows he can start in another team would be willing to wait for 2 gks ahead of him to get injured for him to get a chance - especially in a world cup year.
I would expect Ward to ask for a transfer or opportunity to go on loan.


04 Aug 2017 11:36:06
It's not down to Ward. It's up to the manager to decide what players he needs to cover what positions for potentially 60+ games a season taking into account the possibility of injuries and suspensions. I'd rather have Ward able to step in than not at all.


04 Aug 2017 06:52:27
Hi Ed, I think Klopp loves his wingers to have a pace to burn. With Woodburn not that much pacey, will Klopp loves to develop him in mid as he has good vision? . Maybe a understudy for Coutinho this year and then allowing to go on loan next year for some valuable experience?

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{Ed001's Note - Woodburn is not a winger.}

04 Aug 2017 07:22:44
Ed001 what position do you believe Woodburn will move to as he gets more experienced? He looked better through the centre midfield role from the earlier pre season games but hasn't shown much recently from the wings.


{Ed001's Note - he will play in the centre I expect.}

04 Aug 2017 08:39:57
I always believed that playing players with top notch vision and quick a mind for passing quickly etc are best suited in the centre so they have more options available at any point and can affect the play more.


04 Aug 2017 03:23:29
I was having a read through the comments section of the LFC facebook (always a mistake) and couldn't help but have a laugh at someone who said that we need VvD to marshall our defence. All I could think of was ed1's assessment of him earlier in the season.

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