Liverpool Banter Archive December 04 2010

 

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04 Dec 2010 23:38:43
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People on here saying they wouldn't have joey barton i would hes a class act just his poor atitude but i think his stint in jail has sorted that out

What, ''sorted that out''? he punched Blackburn midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen only three weeks ago! The guy is a complete and utter thug and i personaly do not want him any where near Liverpool

didnt that stuff happen all the time in the 70s 80s onlt because of the media it gets picked up just because he does the odd stupid thing doesn't mean he aint good enough

i must admit the likes of barton and even carrol, can be talented footballers! but with the amount of money they get paid , they are expected to conduct themselves in an appropriate manor both on and off the pitch, and not act in a way to bring football or their club into disrepute, plus they should be a good role model to youngsters!
they would be better players if they accepted their responsibilities and grew up!

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04 Dec 2010 22:52:26
It would be a massive mistake if Roy is trying to force Agger out. Agger is the best defender at the club and deinitely the most comfortable on the ball. Reminiscent of Hansen when bringing the ball out from the back. He has been missed badly during our 'Negative patch'. .with defenders (yes you Carra, Skrtl) that like to play the ball long from the back.

It also amazes me that people post their best teams on here and they are full of Youth Players. .I can't tell if these people are just naive or being deliberately provocative. These inexperienced teams would not elevate us up the league. over a season. it's all about the healthy balance. We need to be playing the youth in a consdered way however more importantly we need to be getting the best out of players like Cole and Jovanovich week in week out. not just assuming because they perform well in the reserves the younger players can do better in the 1st team. .as the gulf between the 2 is enormous.

In terms of the Jan xfr window. Love the idea of both adam Johnson and Theo Walcott rate them both very highly but can't honestly see either happening. Honda would be brill. .but afraid he would be chucked straight out on the flank and I think we need 2 real wingers. .not midfielders who can play wide.

Obviously need that striker. .a player like Elmander is more likely in Jan than a LLorente.

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04 Dec 2010 22:49:41
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Liverpool need , LW, RW, CF and a LB

Lw im not sure of?
RW - Hazzard would be great
CF - Lorentee (Sorry about spelling), Aguero, may all be out of price range but, players such a Lavezzi would do well hes like a Tevez an Rafa wanted him aswell but please not Carlton Cole :(
Right a LB is were i believe we need to look cause Konchesky is awful, my two picks are Garrido who used to play for city and Álvaro Pereira who plays for Porto hes a decent player wouldn't cost much either, By the way these are suggestions im not saying we will get any of them

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04 Dec 2010 22:40:41
How sad is it that everton have more width in 1 fall back then we have in our entire midfield. This has to be sorted January

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04 Dec 2010 21:53:18
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Future team
. . . .Reina. . . . .
Kelly. . .Wilson. . Agger. . .Mavinga
. . . . . . .meireles. .
. . .lucas. . . .Suso/ Shelvey
. . . Pacheco. . Vela. . . {ed's note - I don't think it is likely, but it is very likely Vela will be leaving Arsenal.}
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so in the future football will be played with 10 men?
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Im the one who posted with only 10 players cos i was rushing i think i have been reminded enough.
My future ELEVEN
. . . . . . . . . . . Reina
Kelly. . Wilson. . . Ayala/ Agger. . . .Mavinga
. . . . . . . . Lucas. . Shelvey. . . . . . . . .
. . . . Sterling. . .Suso. . . Pacheco. . .
. . . . . . . . Ngog/ Lukaka/ Wickham
The only reason i put in agger was cos i havent seen much of ayala!

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04 Dec 2010 21:51:32
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Ed ivsent a message last night about the banter page not set for my iPhone page, but it's happened on the rumour page now, is it poss you can have a look at it please it happened last month and one Ed sorted it. {ed's note - we are having a look mate, but not having one ourselves it is difficult to check if any changes we have made do work!}

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04 Dec 2010 21:40:52
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Lads only two players required they are as follows :
1. Bastian Schweinsteiger
2 Lukas Podolski

Enough said !

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04 Dec 2010 21:39:07
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Future team
. . . .Reina. . . . .
Kelly. . .Wilson. . Agger. . .Mavinga
. . . . . . .meireles. .
. . .lucas. . . .Suso/ Shelvey
. . . Pacheco. . Vela. . . {ed's note - I don't think it is likely, but it is very likely Vela will be leaving Arsenal.}
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so in the future football will be played with 10 men?
Anfield Rapstar

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04 Dec 2010 21:34:05
THER IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT PLAYING YOUTH AND RESERVE PLAYERS OUT OF POSITION, I THINK THATS A GOOD MOVE IN THOSE GAMES ESPECIALY WITH YOUNGSTERS AS IT TEACHES THEM A LOT, PLAYING OUT OF POSITION THEY LEARN MORE ABOUT THEMSELFS, AND THEY ARE BEING BLED FOR THE FIRST TEAM, SO WOTEVER IT TAKES TO GET A PLAYER FROM RESERVES TO FIRST TEAM IM ALL FOR IT. LOOK AT CARRA PLAYED ALL ACROSS THE BACK SAME WIV STEVIE, LOL WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO GET 2 OUT OF THE CURRENT CROP LIKE THEM.

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04 Dec 2010 21:27:48
People on here saying they wouldn't have joey barton i would hes a class act just his poor atitude but i think his stint in jail has sorted that out

What, ''sorted that out''? he punched Blackburn midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen only three weeks ago! The guy is a complete and utter thug and i personaly do not want him any where near Liverpool

didnt that stuff happen all the time in the 70s 80s onlt because of the media it gets picked up just because he does the odd stupid thing doesn't mean he aint good enough
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Of course his stint in jail has sorted it out. Ooops sorry, didn't he get a ban for punching a player on the ribs? If I'd done that in the street I'd have been nicked and possibly sent to jail for assault. Barton got in trouble once, people said he deserved another chance, then he did it again, people said another chance, then again, then again! He'll never learn and he's NOT Liverpool standard.

And to the other lad. The "odd" stupid thing. Get caught on CCTV assaulting a minor, getting sent to jail for GBH. Getting charged for assaulting a team-mate (who had to be sent to hospital). Yea the "odd" thing.

Don't think players got sent to jail "all the time" in the 70s and 80s. He's not good enough, but even if he was, that is enough reason not to sign him.

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04 Dec 2010 21:26:11
1. You only have 9 outfield players - Im ashamed that Liverpool has fans that can't even add up to 10
2. You say a future team, that includes Suso and Reina/ agger. For the time it would take Suso to become a first teamer, or even on the fringes, im sure Agger would of been sold, and Reina will be announcing his retirement.

As much as i appreciate the Editors efforts in keeping this site up and running, but it seems to be more of a 'message board' than anything else anymore. If there is any genuine rumours at all it usually takes you an hour just scrolling through to find them

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renia can play till he's 35+. He's got another 10 years left in him. It is sad ppl can't count but everyone makes mistakes. Suso will def make it as a first teamer unless he gets a awful injury. Meireles and agger won't be in the future team tho. Shelvy and ayala can be in the team instead

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04 Dec 2010 21:15:35
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Guys sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there will be little going on this window. .Yes we need a striker and a winger but unfortunatley roy doesn't see this as a priority he wants a CB and is looking to make a cut price deal for mexes in jan. .Nesv have been advised that there is little value to be had in jan and will hang on until the summer unless the right player for the right price is available now. .If price is right possibly honda? Possibly Cole although price needs to be under 8m or he would not be value for money. . Ed your thoughts

{Editor's Note: I am sure it is not as depressing as you suggest.}

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04 Dec 2010 21:14:46
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Future squad:
Reina (GK)
G.Johnson (RB)
Agger (CB)
Wilson (CB)
Heinze (LB)
Young (RM)
Gerrard (CM)
Meirelles (CM)
A.Johnson (LM)
Honda (ST)
Torres (ST)

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04 Dec 2010 21:06:49
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04 Dec 2010 20:39:27
Ed do you think there is any chance of getting Vela from arsenal. . Babel has always been linked to arsenal and i heard jack wilshire was tweeting to him about moving! !I think Vela could be a quality player like hernandez at united. .I think we should try to get him in a swap for babel because surely vela wants first team football and he would have a point to prove! !
What do u think ed?
Future team
. . . .Reina. . . . .
Kelly. . .Wilson. . Agger. . .Mavinga
. . . . . . .meireles. .
. . .lucas. . . .Suso/ Shelvey
. . . Pacheco. . Vela. . . {ed's note - I don't think it is likely, but it is very likely Vela will be leaving Arsenal.}
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I am liking that team a lot. Vela and pacheco are both players like to play behind the striker. Instead of vela it should be wickham or a young striker with potential. Plus there is no width in the team.
This is a team in few years time

- - - - - - - - -renia
kelly- - - ayala- - - wilson- - -mavinga

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -lucas- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - -suso- - - - shelvy- - - - -

- - - amoo- - - - - - - - - pacheco- -
- - - - - - - - - n'gog

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04 Dec 2010 21:06:46
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Ed is lucas also on his way out to Juve to bring in cash for hodgson to sign hazard?

{Editor's Note: No.}

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04 Dec 2010 20:57:20
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04 Dec 2010 20:39:27
Ed do you think there is any chance of getting Vela from arsenal. . Babel has always been linked to arsenal and i heard jack wilshire was tweeting to him about moving! !I think Vela could be a quality player like hernandez at united. .I think we should try to get him in a swap for babel because surely vela wants first team football and he would have a point to prove! !
What do u think ed?
Future team
. . . .Reina. . . . .
Kelly. . .Wilson. . Agger. . .Mavinga
. . . . . . .meireles. .
. . .lucas. . . .Suso/ Shelvey
. . . Pacheco. . Vela. . . {ed's note - I don't think it is likely, but it is very likely Vela will be leaving Arsenal.}
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Lets pick this apart.
1. You only have 9 outfield players - Im ashamed that Liverpool has fans that can't even add up to 10
2. You say a future team, that includes Suso and Reina/ agger. For the time it would take Suso to become a first teamer, or even on the fringes, im sure Agger would of been sold, and Reina will be announcing his retirement.

As much as i appreciate the Editors efforts in keeping this site up and running, but it seems to be more of a 'message board' than anything else anymore. If there is any genuine rumours at all it usually takes you an hour just scrolling through to find them

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04 Dec 2010 20:57:10
People on here saying they wouldn't have joey barton i would hes a class act just his poor atitude but i think his stint in jail has sorted that out

What, ''sorted that out''? he punched Blackburn midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen only three weeks ago! The guy is a complete and utter thug and i personaly do not want him any where near Liverpool

didnt that stuff happen all the time in the 70s 80s onlt because of the media it gets picked up just because he does the odd stupid thing doesn't mean he aint good enough

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04 Dec 2010 20:43:21
See personally I prefer to play with fullbacks who are better at going forward than defending. Play a 3 man midfield with one anchor man who is nearly a 3rd central defender. That gives you 3 very defensive players in your 2 centerbacks and your defensive midfielder. It puts pressure on your CBs without a doubt though.

Ofcourse with a lead or against a team with particularly dangerous wingers you have to adjust and it's in those cases where the 4-3-3 shifts into a 4-5-1. That's really what Im saying, you can't just have one tactic or one formation because your opponents are always different.

A 4-3-3 can be insanely attacking with 3 strikers, 2 attacking fullbacks and 2 attacking midfielders. But it can easily morph into a 4-5-1 with 2 wingers, 2 defensive fullbacks and 2 defensive midfielders. Or anything in between. I like versatile players, that's why I like Honda, he can play wing, play center mid, play striker. I like Mata too because he is the same way, can fill various roles. That's why I like a guy like Hazard, he can play out wide, he could slide in to play as a forward, he can move back and play a center midfield playmaker. That's really what I want, players who can fill various roles, changing game sitatuations and feel at home in them. Some players aren;t like that.

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04 Dec 2010 20:31:34
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04 Dec 2010 20:04:51
What about Baines from across thepark for LB ?
wouldn't cost a fortune and would die for the shirt !

{Editor's Note: With Insua likely coming back I doubt that a left back is a priority.}
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With Insua back we will have 3 leftbacks in Aurelio, Konchesky, Insua.
For me Aurelio should be our first choice. .Agree?

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04 Dec 2010 20:27:53
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If I was roy I would defiently tr and do anything to get bains from everton

I know its unlikly but he's a great player

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04 Dec 2010 20:26:15
People on here saying they wouldn't have joey barton i would hes a class act just his poor atitude but i think his stint in jail has sorted that out

What, ''sorted that out''? he punched Blackburn midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen only three weeks ago! The guy is a complete and utter thug and i personaly do not want him any where near Liverpool

The Sculptor

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04 Dec 2010 20:08:59
People on here saying they wouldn't have joey barton i would hes a class act just his poor atitude but i think his stint in jail has sorted that out id have joey barton all day long, hes some others who could improve us
lescot
robert huth
adam johnson
darren bent
kevin nolan

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04 Dec 2010 20:02:47
If i remember correctly it was dos santos dad calling the shots during the world cup not him, im not saying we should sign him just using him as an example of the type of player you consider to be a problem. all im trying to say is that if a player has the talent and ability then he shouldnt be ruled out because he is a 20 somethin year old who does things no different to normal people his age but lives his life in the papers, maybe if dos santos was in the first team at spurs he would grow up, but as with all young footballers they think they've made it before they have because of the bling they are in and around, going back a few years players did what was then called an apprentice, cleaning boots earning the right to play at the highest level and feel privilaged to have the talent they have. any 20 year old who has a diamond watch, flash car money in the bank and girls throwing themselves at them is going to be a cocky arrogant little sh*ep with an attitude.
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Well Dos Santos' dad didn't just come out of the blue and say it did he? Gio Dos Santos took a hissy fit because his brother didn't make the Mexico squad for the WC and threatened to pull out if he didn't get selected, his dad is his representative remember.

Dos Santos does no different to people his age? Maybe normal people, but not athletes. The medical scientists and doctors encourage footballers to lead healthy lifestyles, and they don't say it for a reason do they? Of course, letting your hair down the odd time and partying (like at a club Christmas bash or Haloween bash or whatever). But doing it every weekend and coming to training hungover, late or not turning up not to mention letting your fitness suffer is not how a professional footballer is meant to act. Dos Santos has worked with Javier Aguirre and Harry Redknapp, and his attitude can't change so not many managers could do anything with him.

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04 Dec 2010 19:39:39
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To ed

I asked you about the chances of honda coming earlier , and just thought , what do you think the chances of adam johnson , gignac and that french cb , rami (spelling)

LFCmattyy

{Editor's Note: Perhaps possible; No chance - he has just moved to Marseille; Loic Remy I assume you mean - no chance.}

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04 Dec 2010 19:39:29
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If i remember correctly it was dos santos dad calling the shots during the world cup not him, im not saying we should sign him just using him as an example of the type of player you consider to be a problem. all im trying to say is that if a player has the talent and ability then he shouldnt be ruled out because he is a 20 somethin year old who does things no different to normal people his age but lives his life in the papers, maybe if dos santos was in the first team at spurs he would grow up, but as with all young footballers they think they've made it before they have because of the bling they are in and around, going back a few years players did what was then called an apprentice, cleaning boots earning the right to play at the highest level and feel privilaged to have the talent they have. any 20 year old who has a diamond watch, flash car money in the bank and girls throwing themselves at them is going to be a cocky arrogant little sh*ep with an attitude.

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04 Dec 2010 19:37:58
Ed.no i wouldn't want joey barton because he has more than an attitude problem, he is a thug and doesn't have the ability to warrant the risk, but look at balotelli, he has an awfull attitude at times but still scores goals, that wins games, craig bellamy has a bad attitude but was loved by the players at mancity just not mancini, carlos tevez has had bust ups with mancini, but you wouldn't consider him a problem player. i agree that a player like cassano may never be able to settle at a club, but to rule out dos santos because he likes to go out on a saturday night is ridiculas.
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Balotelli scores goals, but he also gets sent off for his petulance and stupidity which can cost his team, not to mention throwing punches at a team-mate in training. That is awful for a team, to have players fight with each other - it attracts media attention and can disrupt the dressing room. As for Tevez, well he's not a bad influence in the dressing room or poor off the field as such, he's just got a bad attitude on the field. He's more interested in money, and he's talking of retiring already or in the next couple of years. When he wants to play, he plays well. When he can't be assed, he just doesn't bother and City struggle to score.

As for Dos Santos, well he was touted as the next Ronaldinho and had massive potential. But he annoyed his team-mates with his party lifestyle and like ed said, missing training. He had to leave, and he did the same at Spurs. His heavy partying meant that he struggled for match fitness and could never complete a game. And sometimes he looked so sluggish. All because of his lifestyle off the field. So no, to rule out Dos Santos isn't rediculous.

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04 Dec 2010 19:37:30
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Honda was in Holland yesterday meetingup with old team mates at VVV in Venlo. He told them that he wants to leave Russia and has already held talks with Liverpool. The story is in a local newspaper 'de Limburger'. He wants to move in January. Let's keep ourfingers and toes crossed.
Mal 45


Went onto 'de limburger' can anyone find the article and translate it. it's all double dutch. Cheers

{Editor's Note: It is simply an article which has been summarised above.}

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04 Dec 2010 19:31:00
Hey guys just thought I should put up I've been watching toivonen and dsudzak(sorry for spelling) of psv and they look really good. .what are u guys thoughts?

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04 Dec 2010 19:29:44
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People linking us with adam johnson . .NOT A CHANCE , do you really think man s* ty will sell to us? . NO!

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04 Dec 2010 19:23:14
I think what you want is players who can be versatile and play both as true wingers but also have an eye for goal and can play as forwards. This way you can basically jump back and forth between playing a 4-3-3 and a 4-5-1 depending on the situation. This is why I prefer the 4-3-3 because it is adaptable and can go back and forth between being very attacking and very defensive easily and without changing the actual players on the field.

Im not saying you want out and out strikers playing the wide forward spots in a 4-3-3 either, just saying you don't want out and out wingers either. You want players who can do both and who also have the ability to be creative and act as playmakers. Obviously its hard to find a player who can do all of that, not too many Lionel Messis in the world. And like you said teams certainly do play 4-3-3 with true wingers. At the same time Samuel Eto'o played on the right in Inter's 4-3-3 last year which won the Champions League. Hulk plays on the right side for a Porto squad which is undefeated in the league and has a +23 goal differential from only 12 games. I don't think anyone would call Eto'o or Hulk anything but strikers. So obviously that can work.

Basically like I said I prefer a 4-3-3 that can easily morph into a 4-5-1 when need be. There are wingers who are true wide players who don't really have the ability to play as strikers. At the same time there are strikers who don't have the ability to go and play truly on the wing. All Im saying is that there are players out there who have the ability to do both and those are the kind of players I'd prefer because they can fit into any system and adapt to any situation.
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Basically mate, what I want is a good traditional winger who can run at the opposition and beat full-backs, give us good natural width and offer good service to the front men - obviously a few goals also.

The thing about Eto'o playing as a winger at Inter was that it left them incredibly narrow at times, and Inter depended on Maicon to provide them with width which is why he got so much recognition for his attacking ability from full-back. I just think that first and foremost, your full-back should just be able to defend (which Maicon can't do) and be decent going forward. And when Eto'o got into crossing positions, his final ball was either poor or never arrived, as he preferred to just run it into the box and try to score.

Obviously our opinions differ on this, but atleast it creates discussion.

PS: On the topic of having a versatile player who can do a wingers job act as forwards and have an eye for goal; well that's why I'm a big fan of Juan Mata. He can get chalk on his boots, but he started his career as a striker so his movement is excellent and he can really get into good positions and put the ball in the back of the net. We needs goals to come from several areas of the team as opposed to just 2/ 3 players.

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04 Dec 2010 19:16:32
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Ed.no i wouldn't want joey barton because he has more than an attitude problem, he is a thug and doesn't have the ability to warrant the risk, but look at balotelli, he has an awfull attitude at times but still scores goals, that wins games, craig bellamy has a bad attitude but was loved by the players at mancity just not mancini, carlos tevez has had bust ups with mancini, but you wouldn't consider him a problem player. i agree that a player like cassano may never be able to settle at a club, but to rule out dos santos because he likes to go out on a saturday night is ridiculas.

{Editor's Note: Dos Santos is very talented - but he missing a lot of training sessions which is why Barcelona got rid of him and why Spurs sent him on loan. He threatened to walk out on strike of the Mexican World Cup team this year over the selection of his brother. No I would not want him at Liverpool.}

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04 Dec 2010 19:10:21
ROSE TINTED GLASSES/ a phrase only mate
this all started because of a ssn clip of the pen at spurs and torres reaction to it, steven gerrard was not even mentioned, but i get your drift and gerrard has sulked for a few seasons now i agree he shows to much to the opposition, on the other hand if you want to get into the subject of steven and what to do with him, that's a trick that 2 england managers and at times rafa couldnt fix, what position for gerrard would fill this page all day gatting back to torres even though he has put a good shift in for a few games this season, and his goal scoring record is A1 i would still sell him that is my opinion on this subject, you would keep him, that's it, BUT, i am more worried about january and the effect of not buying could have on everyone, that's IF we don't buy, then get more injuries what could happen, torres is secondry on my mind, when fernando torres is long gone i will still be turning out to watch the reds and supporting whoever turns out for us, bob paisleys skids

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04 Dec 2010 19:00:45
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Just a little question for you ed, u seem to be dead against anyone who has or has had problems with there attitude etc in the past or presant. . dos santos, cassano people like that, but sometimes its those type of players that can turn teams in to winners, because of there ability and sometimes arrogance. . . cantona at united, anelka at chelsea etc, players don't have to be greats friends off the pitch, just have an understanding on it, would you not agree?

{Editor's Note: I don't agree - would you want Joey Barton? And what if it doesn't work - how disruptive and costly would that be? How many Monday morning training sessions would Dos Santos need to miss before you had too much of him? It is much better to work with players who can be relied upon.}

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04 Dec 2010 18:57:32
It doesn't have to be different. Just because you play a 4-3-3 doesn't mean you need to have two strikers playing out wide. It can work as well, if not better, with natural wingers out wide. Man Utd usually play with two wingers in that system and it works perfectly well for them, they won a CL and PL double with it.

And strikers out wide won't have that final ball, and lets face it they'll always have an eye for goal so when they even get a tiny glimpse of goal they would be more inclinced to just go for it, because that's what they've done in their careers.

Plus, I also don't like the idea of us depending on full-backs for width, especially if the opposition counter-attack with pace. And I believe that Dirk Kuyt playing out wide for us is a clear example of how it's just better (for us anyway) to stick a natural winger out there.

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I think what you want is players who can be versatile and play both as true wingers but also have an eye for goal and can play as forwards. This way you can basically jump back and forth between playing a 4-3-3 and a 4-5-1 depending on the situation. This is why I prefer the 4-3-3 because it is adaptable and can go back and forth between being very attacking and very defensive easily and without changing the actual players on the field.

Im not saying you want out and out strikers playing the wide forward spots in a 4-3-3 either, just saying you don't want out and out wingers either. You want players who can do both and who also have the ability to be creative and act as playmakers. Obviously its hard to find a player who can do all of that, not too many Lionel Messis in the world. And like you said teams certainly do play 4-3-3 with true wingers. At the same time Samuel Eto'o played on the right in Inter's 4-3-3 last year which won the Champions League. Hulk plays on the right side for a Porto squad which is undefeated in the league and has a +23 goal differential from only 12 games. I don't think anyone would call Eto'o or Hulk anything but strikers. So obviously that can work.

Basically like I said I prefer a 4-3-3 that can easily morph into a 4-5-1 when need be. There are wingers who are true wide players who don't really have the ability to play as strikers. At the same time there are strikers who don't have the ability to go and play truly on the wing. All Im saying is that there are players out there who have the ability to do both and those are the kind of players I'd prefer because they can fit into any system and adapt to any situation.

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04 Dec 2010 18:38:55
Liverpool Rumours
Pacheco signing signals intent not only to keep young talent but buy as well what a strange u turn there is something were missing or some good input on board

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04 Dec 2010 18:37:12
I think when you look at our squad we need four first team players added to become serious contenders. One is a leftback, I think that is beyond dispute. The other 3 are hard to say because we don't know who the manager will be next year and what formation he will want to play. If we are playing a 4-4-2 I think we need 2 wingers and a strike partner for Torres. If we play a 4-3-3 I think we need 2 wide forwards plus another offensive minded center midfielder. Basically it doesn't make very much sense to sign an out and out winger this transfer window and then go out and hire a 4-3-3 manager who has no need for a true winger.
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I don't really find that much of an issue mate, personally. A top winger will be more than capable of playing out wide in a 4-3-3 or out wide in a 4-4-2.
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Well a top world class type player would be able to adapt to whatever role, that is true. But a winger in a 4-4-2 and a left/ right forward in a 4-3-3 play different roles. The 4-4-2 winger is more likely to stay wide and cross balls in for the 2 strikers. In a 4-3-3 a left/ right forward is going to stay more central and play as a hybrid winger/ striker depending on the situation of the game. In a 4-3-3 the fullbacks are relied on more to provide the width on attack than the left/ right forward. For instance a player like Eden Hazard would be fine in either a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-3 while I think a player like Adam Johnson is much more of a 4-4-2 true winger.
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It doesn't have to be different. Just because you play a 4-3-3 doesn't mean you need to have two strikers playing out wide. It can work as well, if not better, with natural wingers out wide. Man Utd usually play with two wingers in that system and it works perfectly well for them, they won a CL and PL double with it.

And strikers out wide won't have that final ball, and lets face it they'll always have an eye for goal so when they even get a tiny glimpse of goal they would be more inclinced to just go for it, because that's what they've done in their careers.

Plus, I also don't like the idea of us depending on full-backs for width, especially if the opposition counter-attack with pace. And I believe that Dirk Kuyt playing out wide for us is a clear example of how it's just better (for us anyway) to stick a natural winger out there.

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04 Dec 2010 18:36:08
"Looking at the reserves and u18s, "
Surely Insua is out on loan and he is never going to be good enough any how.
You also seem to have overlooked Ecclestone.

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04 Dec 2010 18:23:53
Ed is it true that Ayala's loan deal with Hull finishes at the end of this month? I hope this is true, if that is the case, as he shouldn't have gone in the first place.No need to look for another centre back, Just give the lad ago Roy.

{Editor's Note: Ayala's loan is currently scheduled to end on January 1, 2011.}

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04 Dec 2010 18:20:58
I'm getting really fed up with people saying Torres is sulking and unhappy can't Liverpool fans get off his back you expect it from the papers not from our own! The lads up there on his own getting sh!te service always works hard and would be huge loss for the club on and off the field!
Banjo boy

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04 Dec 2010 18:20:00
I think when you look at our squad we need four first team players added to become serious contenders. One is a leftback, I think that is beyond dispute. The other 3 are hard to say because we don't know who the manager will be next year and what formation he will want to play. If we are playing a 4-4-2 I think we need 2 wingers and a strike partner for Torres. If we play a 4-3-3 I think we need 2 wide forwards plus another offensive minded center midfielder. Basically it doesn't make very much sense to sign an out and out winger this transfer window and then go out and hire a 4-3-3 manager who has no need for a true winger.
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I don't really find that much of an issue mate, personally. A top winger will be more than capable of playing out wide in a 4-3-3 or out wide in a 4-4-2.
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Well a top world class type player would be able to adapt to whatever role, that is true. But a winger in a 4-4-2 and a left/ right forward in a 4-3-3 play different roles. The 4-4-2 winger is more likely to stay wide and cross balls in for the 2 strikers. In a 4-3-3 a left/ right forward is going to stay more central and play as a hybrid winger/ striker depending on the situation of the game. In a 4-3-3 the fullbacks are relied on more to provide the width on attack than the left/ right forward. For instance a player like Eden Hazard would be fine in either a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-3 while I think a player like Adam Johnson is much more of a 4-4-2 true winger.

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04 Dec 2010 18:11:22
Looking at the reserves and u18s, I do not know why everyone is so concerned. There are so many great talents coming through. I realise less than half will make it but that would be enough when you consider all of the potential our side has in so many positions.
GK: Hansen, Bouzanis
RB: Mendy, Flannagan
CB: Kelly, Ayala, Wilson, Coady, Wisdom
LB: Insua, Mavinga, Robinson, Cooper
RM: Amoo, Silva, Sterling
CM/ CAM: Shelvey, Suso, Bruna
LM: Ince
St: Ngog, Pacheco, Morgan

I tried to put only the players I think have a legitimate chance at making it. Of course none have a shot if Hodgson hangs around much longer.

I think the area this shows we are weakest is at striker. I think we need to buy at least one top young striker, one of Connor Wickham and Romelu Lukaku. Preferably both. I know a lot of users of this site (and the ed) would prefer an established frontman like Llorrente, and while I love the idea of the two Fernando's leading our line, I feel that the best thing for the future would be to get those two instead. Imagine Lukaku and Wickham in 5 years.

Also we obviously are short on left wingers both in the first XI and coming through. One of Mata, Ayew, Jovetic, Johnson, or Turan would be nice.

So what do you all think? Should we go for two youngsters like wickham and Lukaku (believable) or an established star like Llorrente (unbelievable)?
Anfield Rapstar

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04 Dec 2010 18:08:54
Lads in the Sky Sports Soccer Saturday team were talking about us today and I just remember them saying that Hodgson should move Glen Johnson further forward (to right-wing obviously) and shift Kuyt up beside Torres. This is definatly what we should be doing in my opinion.

So based on that, I think we should line-up like this against Villa:

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Kelly- -Kyrgiakos- Skrtel- -Aurelio

Johnson- Meireles- Lucas- J.Cole

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04 Dec 2010 18:03:08
I think when you look at our squad we need four first team players added to become serious contenders. One is a leftback, I think that is beyond dispute. The other 3 are hard to say because we don't know who the manager will be next year and what formation he will want to play. If we are playing a 4-4-2 I think we need 2 wingers and a strike partner for Torres. If we play a 4-3-3 I think we need 2 wide forwards plus another offensive minded center midfielder. Basically it doesn't make very much sense to sign an out and out winger this transfer window and then go out and hire a 4-3-3 manager who has no need for a true winger.
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I don't really find that much of an issue mate, personally. A top winger will be more than capable of playing out wide in a 4-3-3 or out wide in a 4-4-2.

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04 Dec 2010 17:48:05
{Editor's Note: Honda will move in January - and I expect him to move to Liverpool. Elmander is out of contract in the summer so he will (a) move in January; (b) be free in the summer, or (c) sign a new contract with Bolton.}

Elmander could choose to retire (d). Okay I hope we get Honda. He's world class imo. I would also like matt jarvis. We can sell babel and bring jarvis in. I think he's a decent player and offers a lot of width. Wages wouldn't be to bad either.

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04 Dec 2010 17:34:59
Honda & Kranjcar to sign for LFC in January:

Reina
Johnson - Carragher - Agger - Aurelio
Kuyt - Kranjcar - Gerrard - Meireles - Honda
Torres

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04 Dec 2010 17:33:40
Liverpool Rumours
Listen up idiot i have a full time job and have done since i left school and i`m now 32 also i have had a season ticket for 20 years so i`m entitled to ask for a new manager not some doddering old fool like we have now!
so go back to your rock and crawl back under you manc bar steward There was no problem mate , i thought you had only posted it on the banter page! i sent an email asking for hodgson to be replaced!
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That's just stupid. Henry is so open to contact from the fans and the regular people, and I just knew that some idiots would mail him asking for the sacking of the manager or making demands and requests.

If people just keep doing this kind of thing it will just annoy Henry and whoever has to receive these e-mails. And it will make our fans look like a pack of moaning babies.

Seriously, don't start doing this kind of thing folks. It's just annoying for the people in America who have to read this kind of s* *e all the time coming into their e-mail inboxes.

Different if you were saying thank you for buying our club and offering support for what he plans to do, but being big babies and saying to sack Hodgson is just stupid. And I know we don't like Hodgson, but how would you feel is someone asked your boss to replace you? Anyhow, when you do stuff like that you musn't have a job because you're probably still at school.

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04 Dec 2010 17:13:49
Liverpool Rumours
I think when you look at our squad we need four first team players added to become serious contenders. One is a leftback, I think that is beyond dispute. The other 3 are hard to say because we don't know who the manager will be next year and what formation he will want to play. If we are playing a 4-4-2 I think we need 2 wingers and a strike partner for Torres. If we play a 4-3-3 I think we need 2 wide forwards plus another offensive minded center midfielder. Basically it doesn't make very much sense to sign an out and out winger this transfer window and then go out and hire a 4-3-3 manager who has no need for a true winger.

Having said that this is what I think we should do in January:

1-Sign a leftback. As I said we need this no matter what. No matter what system or formation we play a higher quality leftback will be needed.

2-Sign Honda. He would make perfect sense because of his versatility as an attack minded player. He could play the wing, he can play as an attack minded center midfielder, he could play as a strike partner for Torres. Basically no matter what manager we have next year or what style/ formation he wants to play he should be able to find a good way to use Honda in his system because he is versatile. Thats why he makes perfect sense for the January window.

Those are the 2 things I think Liverpool should really concentrate on in January. Obviously if something else presents itself that is too good of a deal then jump on that. I think though if we got a good leftback and Honda in January it would improve the team right now and also set us up well to make more signings in the summer.

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04 Dec 2010 17:11:37
Liverpool Rumours
3 signing to be made in the summer:

1 Creative midfielder
1 Winger
1 Striker

Creative Midfielders:

Kranjcar - 8 million
Honda - 10-15 million

Wingers:

Adam Johnson - 15 million
Stocker - 5 million
N Zogbia - 5-8 million

Strikers:

Johan Elmander - 5-10 million

I would be happy with Honda Johnson and Elmander, but frankly don't think we have the budget to buy all 3. So I'd go, Kranjcar, Johnson and Elmander. Should be in our budget.

{Editor's Note: Honda will move in January - and I expect him to move to Liverpool. Elmander is out of contract in the summer so he will (a) move in January; (b) be free in the summer, or (c) sign a new contract with Bolton.}

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04 Dec 2010 16:48:17
Liverpool Rumours
Liverpool FC should not sell their best players. As far as I'm concerned Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Agger, Carragher and Kuyt should not be sold. The other players won't want to see such talent leave and no matter who you bring in and how many this type of quality isn't cheap and isn't easy to find. All you do is make opposition stronger. If Torres feels that he is a bit fed up then he feels that way. I don't expect him not to give the matches his best as I don't think that's in his character as a man. I honestly believe he has Liverpool in his heart as do the other players on that list. We need more players like these in order to compete. That much is simple. Getting them isn't. As for where Torres would go, it would most likely be the Premiership as Barcelona can beat Real by 5 without him and I don't think a Real move would be on the cards due to his former club.

The lad is class. Keep him here.

Spriggo

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04 Dec 2010 16:33:08
Liverpool Rumours
Hangeland told Absolute Radio: "Well obviously he has an entirely different approach to football and there's always going to be changes when you change manager, and we're working as hard as we can to put those things onto the pitch. So at the moment I think we're moving in the right direction and hopefully we'll move up that table as soon as possible.

"He definitely wants us to get at teams a bit more and not sit back and concede ground, as we did under Roy Hodgson, so we're a little bit more on the front for now and trying to engage teams higher up the pitch."

more of the same
irish red

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04 Dec 2010 16:30:49
Liverpool Rumours
I have seen it mentioned, but not for some time, what do people think of taking Pienaar on a free?

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04 Dec 2010 16:30:02
Liverpool Rumours
Nice one obout Honda, if he really wants to come. . Come on Hodgson go get him, get the deal don asap.

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04 Dec 2010 16:23:12
I love liverpool with a passion but i don't wear rose tinted glasses i like to think iv seen enough liverpool games to spot a player that's just not happy
i see were your coming from mate BUT because he is working hard and fell over the linesman, and is delighted when HE scores. you want build a team around him and ignore the lack of respect showed to the club, team and fans, nar im not having that, if i were john h i would not like that at all, i would sell him and i would do it now and send the message out to the rest of the team, and future players that sulking and moaning won't be tolerated here, if it was kuyt or lucas doing it everyone would be screeming sell him whats the difference? let other teams have that type of player i say, i understand if we had 11 superstars he would not be sulking because we wouldn't be losing away every week, but that's not the case we must think about putting it put right NOW, i love torres but iv had enough of his strops, football is all about opinions, and mine is that if we don't buy in january, and get a couple more injuries anything could happen this season the way the prem is going and if we went on a long losing streak how do you think torres would react? just a thought, bob paisleys skids
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I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses so don't start that. I'm just, unlike you, choosing not to listen to the papers week in week out.

If Fernando Torres was unhappy and uninterested, he wouldn't be working as hard as he is on the field and chasing people etc.! I firmly believe that he has a confidence issue, and someone who isn't confident isn't all smiles because they won't be scoring/ performing at their best.

And selling Fernando Torres wouldn't show that we don't tolerate "sulking" players, it would show a lack of ambition. Any team gaining "a player like that", will be gaining a world-class striker.

What strops is Torres taking? I don't know what you're on about, he's not sulking either. He's not performing so he'll be frustrated with himself. Torres scored twice against Chelsea, and looked delighted, and had a smile on his face, and celebrated with passion - bet you weren't saying all this then? Like I said, needs his confidence back.

And you ask how he would react if we went on a losing streak, well he wouldn't be jumping with joy would he?

Gerrard's body language has been disencouraging this season, his performances haven't been the best and he's not smiling - so going by what you say, I guess he's sulking and taking strops so we must sell him now also??

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04 Dec 2010 16:08:32
Liverpool Rumours
Roy Hodgsons future will not be based on performances on the pitch, but his purchases in the transfer window. This news comes after NESV gave Roy the go-ahead to spend the allocated money on who-ever he wants.

{Editor's Note: Nonsense.

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04 Dec 2010 16:06:15
RELIABLE SOURCE TELLS ME LIVERPOOL WILL HAVE
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Your reliable source is not so reliable is he, as he failed to inform you that pachecho was signing a new deal. . .

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04 Dec 2010 16:05:33
Ed do you think torres will go? Even if Roy leaves. I think it's a certain torres will leave unless we get cl football. We're out of the top 4 running already. He has 2 years on contract and he won't sign a new deal. I think we should sell him asap for 40 million.

{Editor's Note: Perhaps in the summer.}

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04 Dec 2010 16:02:27
Don't agree with selling Torres. Many people just look at that and assume that he has a bad attitude. People seem to miss some of the chances he created for Maxi, and how he was chasing the ball down and making tackles (even clattered the linesman). He's been doing that for weeks even when not scoring.

And when he has scored (Chelsea, Wigan) he has looked delighted in his celebrations and looked so passionate in celebrating.

I think the issue with Torres is that he is slightly low on confidence and that can have a bearing on your body language also. Personally I think the idea of even selling Torres is out of the question, unless he asks to leave. But until he does so we should aim on building a team around him
OK
i love liverpool with a passion but i don't wear rose tinted glasses i like to think iv seen enough liverpool games to spot a player that's just not happy
i see were your coming from mate BUT because he is working hard and fell over the linesman, and is delighted when HE scores. you want build a team around him and ignore the lack of respect showed to the club, team and fans, nar im not having that, if i were john h i would not like that at all, i would sell him and i would do it now and send the message out to the rest of the team, and future players that sulking and moaning won't be tolerated here, if it was kuyt or lucas doing it everyone would be screeming sell him whats the difference? let other teams have that type of player i say, i understand if we had 11 superstars he would not be sulking because we wouldn't be losing away every week, but that's not the case we must think about putting it put right NOW, i love torres but iv had enough of his strops, football is all about opinions, and mine is that if we don't buy in january, and get a couple more injuries anything could happen this season the way the prem is going and if we went on a long losing streak how do you think torres would react? just a thought, bob paisleys skids

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04 Dec 2010 15:59:43
Liverpool Rumours
04 Dec 2010 11:25:55
Liverpool Rumours
RELIABLE SOURCE TELLS ME LIVERPOOL WILL HAVE
30 MIL TO SPEND IN JAN WE ARE DESPERATE FOR
WIDTH IN SQUAD AND ADAM JOHNSON IS CLUBS NO1
TARGET BENZEMA AND ROYSTON DRENTHE OTHER POSSIBLES THE HODGMEISTER DONT RATE PACHECO
AND IS WILLING TO LET HIM BABEL AND KONCHESKY
LEAVE FOR NEW PASTURES

1. no transfer budget has been set and won't be set, its a simple case of come talk to us bout the players u want and we will see what can happen,

2. pacheco has signed new 2 year extension with kelly, , , so he won't be gone

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04 Dec 2010 15:57:43
Liverpool Rumours
Ed is there any chance of us geeting annan from rosenborg hes got 18months left on contract and is a defensive midfielder bit like essien and wud be cheapat 6m?

{Editor's Note: There is always a chance.}

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04 Dec 2010 15:56:11
To the person speaking about the rumours, about no top players moving to Liverpool without champions league, do you actually suppor the club?
Torres did not come to the club for champions league, he came for the love of the club, and love of the legend that is Liverpool.
Players do not always travel to simply play in the biggest competition, they move to play for the biggest club, where players don't play for money, they play for the glory, and to have their names remembered down the years as playing for the best club.
Liverpool still have the ability to compete at the top level for players, at the moment, it will only be with continued failure at the top level that players will not want to play.
This is shown with the loyalty showed by pur world class players, Reina, Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt still want to play for the club, and want to drag it back to the heights it deserves!
Instead of putting your clubs ambitions down and telling us were aiming too high, why don't you support the club, get behind the team, and aspire for greatness, instead of settling for nothing more than headlines.
Ed, how do you feel on this?

{Editor's Note: Liverpool have a certain pulling power and is well respected - but players go for success and money, certainly not for the history of a club.}

In fairness Torres has said that he wants to play in the Champions League. It even came of the Yelloe Ticket on SSN before the season started. We do need champions league to attract players. Who wants to play for a club in the bottom half of the table? Oh yeah Carlton Cole. Thr truth is if we don't start winning games we will have to settle for medeocre. We already have an average manager, many average players (Poulson, Konchesky, Babel, Aurelio etc). We need players such as Honda, Adam Johnson and Bezema because they are world class or near there. It is all well and good having a spine of world class players (Riena, Carra, Gerrard and Torres) but when its all average at best around them what can you expect them to do? In the summer I can see us getting rid of a lot of players and if were lucky a lot more better players will come in. We have decent players such as Agger, Lucas, Meirelles, Johnson, Maxi, Cole and Kuyt and about 3 properly world class players in Gerrard, Torres and Riena. We need 2 wingers that can both play on either side, a striker to partner Torres such as Dzekö or Llorente, they would be perfect. A Left Back of the Bale mould, not Bale himself because he is a twit. Our team has got such good potential and the squad at the moment is capable of getting 4th. We just need a manager who can take us there (Rafa, Hiddink, Dalglish etc). With backing from the owners we could be a real force again. im just being realistic

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04 Dec 2010 15:54:44
Liverpool Rumours
{ed's note - on a scale of 1 to 10? 0.}

why 0 for bent ofcourse we have a chance lol even if it is 1 ha me personally think 1 out of 10 id say 7

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04 Dec 2010 15:54:22
Liverpool Rumours
If barce want torres then i wud want £40million plus bojan/ busquets and kerrison - they paided £40million plus eto and helb to inter 4 zlaten who is no where as good as torres! ! ! !

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04 Dec 2010 15:53:54
Just noticed that Adam Johnson didn't start for Man City today AGAIN.

So, Mancini stops playing Johnson because he went out drinking one weekend when he had a weekend off or something? Yet, Mario Balotelli throws punches at a team-mate in training and had to be pulled away from a fight because he couldn't take a tough challenge and he starts nearly on a regular basis now? And lets not forget his petulant sending off against WBA.

And when Johnson plays, he performs and puts in a great shift. Seriously, he says he wants to fight for his place in the team, but anyone who thinks he'll put up with being benched for the rest of the season is kidding themselves. Especially with the amount of ability he has. And I think he'll be under pressure from Capello to start getting games to increase his England hopes.

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04 Dec 2010 15:53:12
Liverpool Rumours
Hi, Ed. what is the chance of Borrell + Segura being reunited with Pep Guardiola?
i understand that Pep still hasn't renew his contract at Barca, which i believe will end next summer.

finger crossed

{Editor's NOte: About zero - at Liverpool in any case.}

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04 Dec 2010 15:43:29
Liverpool Rumours
Honda was in Holland yesterday meetingup with old team mates at VVV in Venlo. He told them that he wants to leave Russia and has already held talks with Liverpool. The story is in a local newspaper 'de Limburger'. He wants to move in January. Let's keep ourfingers and toes crossed.
Mal 45
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I looked this up for myself mate and yes, it is in that paper.

The headline is "Honda wil transfer naar Liverpool" (English - Honda has plans to transfer to Liverpool). And I went onto Google translate and translated the article and this is what it translated as:

"Keisuke Honda hopes to transfer to English club Liverpool. With the club already has a Japanese international conversation."

"Honda was yesterday here in Venlo at his former colleagues of tourist and said he wants to leave at CSKA Moscow, where he is now under contract. Honda after the Europa League match last week had to leave his Russian employer. The footballer admitted in Düsseldorf a football clinic to Japanese children and saw opportunities here at the Venlo cool to come to catch up."

Thanks for producing the newspaper/ source mate. A lot of people just write something and don't produce bugger all sources or proof. (And funny how people still clicked unbelievable for your story, and I bet they didn't even check).

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04 Dec 2010 15:40:13
Liverpool Rumours
Honda was in Holland yesterday meetingup with old team mates at VVV in Venlo. He told them that he wants to leave Russia and has already held talks with Liverpool. The story is in a local newspaper 'de Limburger'. He wants to move in January. Let's keep ourfingers and toes crossed.
Mal 45

don't understand why somebody as clicked unbelievable i live in Holland and read de limburger and the article is in there exactly what mal 45 as said

whether the article is believable i don't know the only think i can say about this article is

why would this newspaper make this up? there could be truth in it after all

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04 Dec 2010 15:37:43
For the last time, Torres never watches penalties out of superstition.
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Aim that at his post, not mine.

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04 Dec 2010 15:33:39
I did watch the interview with bolton player and i agree with the comments about team spirit,
BUT what caught my eye was torres and his reaction or total lack of to be honest, when spurs missed the pen torres never even twitched he was walking with his back to the pen and never even acknowledged the miss or it could of been a save for all he knew, his attitude is getting on my nerves, if these new owners buy top players i would sell torres and replace him without a second thought, ok he scores goals but there are others who can score goals and don't bring a CLOUD OF DOOM with them ok he wants to win but there is no way he wants it MORE than the fans do, if we spat our dummies out and the ground was empty maybe he would realise what he is doing is so childish and very selfish, bob paisleys skids
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Don't agree with selling Torres. Many people just look at that and assume that he has a bad attitude. People seem to miss some of the chances he created for Maxi, and how he was chasing the ball down and making tackles (even clattered the linesman). He's been doing that for weeks even when not scoring.

And when he has scored (Chelsea, Wigan) he has looked delighted in his celebrations and looked so passionate in celebrating.

I think the issue with Torres is that he is slightly low on confidence and that can have a bearing on your body language also. Personally I think the idea of even selling Torres is out of the question, unless he asks to leave. But until he does so we should aim on building a team around him.

For the last time, Torres never watches penalties out of superstition.

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04 Dec 2010 15:21:17
Liverpool Rumours
KD
i agree totaly with you lad spot on, but liverpool have always tried players in different positions ray kennedy was a stand out one, but with a lad of dannys age it could ruin him and cause his confidence to go, on the wing is no good to danny, i thought he was going to be played in the dalglish mould, the reserves and below are obviously told what positions/ formations to play because its so similar to watch the teams, only time will tell if its the right way or woy will be on his way, bob paisleys skids

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04 Dec 2010 15:16:06
I did watch the interview with bolton player and i agree with the comments about team spirit,
BUT what caught my eye was torres and his reaction or total lack of to be honest, when spurs missed the pen torres never even twitched he was walking with his back to the pen and never even acknowledged the miss or it could of been a save for all he knew, his attitude is getting on my nerves, if these new owners buy top players i would sell torres and replace him without a second thought, ok he scores goals but there are others who can score goals and don't bring a CLOUD OF DOOM with them ok he wants to win but there is no way he wants it MORE than the fans do, if we spat our dummies out and the ground was empty maybe he would realise what he is doing is so childish and very selfish, bob paisleys skids
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Don't agree with selling Torres. Many people just look at that and assume that he has a bad attitude. People seem to miss some of the chances he created for Maxi, and how he was chasing the ball down and making tackles (even clattered the linesman). He's been doing that for weeks even when not scoring.

And when he has scored (Chelsea, Wigan) he has looked delighted in his celebrations and looked so passionate in celebrating.

I think the issue with Torres is that he is slightly low on confidence and that can have a bearing on your body language also. Personally I think the idea of even selling Torres is out of the question, unless he asks to leave. But until he does so we should aim on building a team around him.

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04 Dec 2010 15:07:36
SOCCER SATURDAY
i did watch the interview with bolton player and i agree with the comments about team spirit,
BUT what caught my eye was torres and his reaction or total lack of to be honest, when spurs missed the pen torres never even twitched he was walking with his back to the pen and never even acknowledged the miss or it could of been a save for all he knew, his attitude is getting on my nerves, if these new owners buy top players i would sell torres and replace him without a second thought, ok he scores goals but there are others who can score goals and don't bring a CLOUD OF DOOM with them ok he wants to win but there is no way he wants it MORE than the fans do, if we spat our dummies out and the ground was empty maybe he would realise what he is doing is so childish and very selfish, bob paisleys skids

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04 Dec 2010 14:59:00
PACHECO
all the moaning about danny he came with a big reputation and in my opinion has not improved as much as others in the set up, when eccleston has been allowed a few minutes on the field he has impressed me more than pacheco, danny looked very good in the tournament last summer but that was in his own age group, maybe he isn't as good as we thought? he wouldn't be the first kid not to reach full potential, im not writing him off but i feel even at 16 years old stirling looks a better bet for he top, ed what do you think lad, bob paisleys skids

{Editor's Note: It will be a case of seeing how they progress next year with perhaps a few months on loan. }

its hard to say weather he has improved or not, for some strange reason he has been played on the right in both reserves and first team.he is a creative attacking midfeider any time he plays midfeild or behind a front man in reserves he stands out by a mile yet woy won't play him there, thats like putting van dar vaart on the right it just doesn't work give the boy a little more time and play him in the right postion and he will shine.you need to look at both reserve and first team managers and wonder why they play not only pacheco but alot of other players out of postion, maybe that's why players and team are not performing like they should.

kd kop

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04 Dec 2010 14:56:21
Liverpool Rumours
Believable/ Agree: Benzema, Honda, Rami

Unbelievable/ Disagree: Bent, A.Johnson, Cahill/ Shawcross

Personally, i'd go with the 1st.

Ed, anyone? {ed's note - I would prefer to just get Honda and Adam Johnson out of those, not interested in any of the rest myself.}

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04 Dec 2010 14:35:29
There was no problem mate , i thought you had only posted it on the banter page! i sent an email asking for hodgson to be replaced!
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That's just stupid. Henry is so open to contact from the fans and the regular people, and I just knew that some idiots would mail him asking for the sacking of the manager or making demands and requests.

If people just keep doing this kind of thing it will just annoy Henry and whoever has to receive these e-mails. And it will make our fans look like a pack of moaning babies.

Seriously, don't start doing this kind of thing folks. It's just annoying for the people in America who have to read this kind of s* *e all the time coming into their e-mail inboxes.

Different if you were saying thank you for buying our club and offering support for what he plans to do, but being big babies and saying to sack Hodgson is just stupid. And I know we don't like Hodgson, but how would you feel is someone asked your boss to replace you? Anyhow, when you do stuff like that you musn't have a job because you're probably still at school.

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04 Dec 2010 14:27:53
Anyone watching Sky Sports (Soccer Saturday)?

Just interviewing Bolton's Andy Holden. He seems so happy and then Owen Coyle came up behind him and threw snow at him and they were laughing and joking and then Coyle ran away and Holden made a joke "he hasn't ran so fast in 4 years".

I envy watching that. Because I want Liverpool to have such fantastic team spirit. I want Liverpool's players to have such close relationships with not only each other, but with the manager.

Credit to Coyle for that though. Just seems to be doom and gloom at our club.

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04 Dec 2010 14:13:12
Seen a few posts regarding the pull of our club in terms of attracting players/ top talent.

Of course we can attract top talent. We're one of the biggest clubs in the world, we have great fans in a historical stadium with a great atmosphere, our global fanbase is massive, we have great history and great tradition and most of all, we are Liverpool Football Club.

Obviously we're not in the Champions League and that's a factor for a lot of top players, but we have ambitions to not only be in the CL, but to win the Premiership.

And people talk about money, obviously a player isn't going to come and play for free but if big money is the top of a player's agenda when signing for our club, then quite frankly I don't want him.

Say for example a player had to choose in January between us and Tottenham, all Tottenham have in their favour is CL football. In terms of fans, club, history, just the reputation of the club on its own - we piss all over Spurs. (Now just using them as an example).

Now obviously if it comes to R.Madrid or Barcelona, we don't have much of a chance, but neither do Man Utd or Chelsea or Arsenal even.

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04 Dec 2010 14:03:39
Liverpool Rumours
PACHECO
all the moaning about danny he came with a big reputation and in my opinion has not improved as much as others in the set up, when eccleston has been allowed a few minutes on the field he has impressed me more than pacheco, danny looked very good in the tournament last summer but that was in his own age group, maybe he isn't as good as we thought? he wouldn't be the first kid not to reach full potential, im not writing him off but i feel even at 16 years old stirling looks a better bet for he top, ed what do you think lad, bob paisleys skids

{Editor's Note: It will be a case of seeing how they progress next year with perhaps a few months on loan. }

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04 Dec 2010 13:54:24
Liverpool Rumours
Hey everyone,
I was reading through the news and I saw that both Robbie Keane and Joleon Lescott are unhappy at their respective clubs. Do you think we should bid for either of those players? I know they aren't the best footballers around but Keane can score and when he was at Liverpool (August-December 2008), our club was at 1st place. I know it wasn't really much because of him but he was an all right lad. Lescott can also make a decent defender.

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04 Dec 2010 13:18:01
Liverpool Rumours
This is a reply from john henry after i emailed him last week!

Dear Mr Phillips

Thank you for your message to John Henry. We are privileged to have Season Ticket Holders such as yourself taking the time to contact us.

Your feedback on the matter below is very much appreciated and will be taken into consideration. As we have mentioned over the past several weeks, there is hard work to be done to return Liverpool FC to its rightful place among the elite in football. We are all striving every day to secure this goal, from the owners, to the manager and players, to the back room staff.

Thank you once again for your time and for your continued support.

Kind Regards,

Fred Olsen

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04 Dec 2010 13:05:54
Liverpool Rumours
You say lesser teams-but lets not forget we are liverpool, most teams in the premiership should be classed as lesser teams. it doesn't matter who you are playing against not losing is extremely important poulsen helps tht cause.

me14
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Lets face it most teams aren't a lot lesser any more im talking about top 6/ 7/ 8 ish.
If you look in the article at the teams it was who he played aginst:
Trabzonspor x2; Napoli x2; Utrecht; WBA; Birmingham; Blackpool; Sunderland; Bolton(SUB); Westham; Wigan(SUB); Bucharest; Man Utd
Theres only one good team there and its (cough) mancs. and we conceded what was it, oh yes 3 goals.

SO he only plays in matches when the OPPOSITION ARE LESSER TEAMS. SO in theory we are less likely to concede goals, than if we were to concede goals agaist better teams. which is obviously more likely

So also your another Hodgson fan then, in that I mean, 'I would rather not lose than go out to win'.
That should not be our phillosophy. Our pohilosophy should be to go out and win. WE ARE LIVERPOOL.
All Roy seems to want to do is defend and counter attack teams, were doing it in almost every match now. It is what mid table teams do. And guess what, we are at midtable [10th], he couldn't get us any more midtable than if he tried. He is making us a midtable team. Am i the only person who sees this?

God, we're almost half way through our fixtures and we only have 19 points in 15 games. Isn't it 40 points to survive relagation? i know we won't get relagated, but that's not the point. We have played almost everyone bar 4, and were still mid table. If your happy with it then good luck. But i am certainly not. The sooner he leaves the better for the club, fans and the players!

Harry5:)

im not a "roy fan" you dolts i was just making my point tht all teams should be "lesser teams" and stopping conceding goals is important.
But i dnt see the point in this "holding midfielder" role, the older days were better when it was only the defence who had to defend all centre midfielder used to get forward then run back!

me14

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04 Dec 2010 12:59:54
04 Dec 2010 11:21:49
Why do people rate gary cahill and shawcross so highly. yeah there decent defenders, but there obviously not good enough for England are they.
Much rather have one of Rami or Sakho, there young(ish), strong and have broken into the french national team!

E.H LFC

well id rather just use kelly or wilson, we don't need to sign defender we need a winger, and a striker! maybe a centre mid like honda

Me14

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04 Dec 2010 12:18:17
Liverpool Rumours
Just read an article on LFC website about Barca's recent thrashing of Real being a triumph for those who put their faith in developing home grown talent.
Whilst it is impossible not to adore Barcelonas playing style and the way they promote players from their youth teams, to try and compare the Barca academy with any other (apart from R.Mardrid) is crazy.
Barca and R.Madrid have a complete monopoly over young talent in Spain, and many other countries around the world. Barca and RM are offered all the best players first, so of course they will have best youth players/ teams. Over here the youth talent pool is spread out. Granted that RM tend to then ship their youth out and buy already established stars, but never the less they still have that monopoly, it's just that they choose to go down the Galactico route.
If Barca were in a league as competitve as the EPL there is no way they would keep producing the young players that they do. Also they recently had to be bailed out by the government to the tune of £200m, so its not like they aren't splashing the cash.

But credit where credit is due, they are the best footballing side on the planet, and are an example for all to follow.

Tommy Walsh

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04 Dec 2010 12:17:22
Not sure about the french players very funny bunch, they got poor attitude and serious sulkers and love upsetting their own camp.

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04 Dec 2010 12:09:12
Much rather have one of Rami or Sakho, there young(ish), strong and have broken into the french national team!

They are good players, but have broken into the national team on the whim that most of the first being exiled, but they are still good players!

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04 Dec 2010 12:08:10
I don't think anyone as said that every player in your team should have pace.What they are saying if you are going to play deep you need someone with pace to break away and support the front men, otherwise we will just be using long ball tactics. Using Molby and Dalglish as Examples of not having pace, we didn't play deep in them days, plus we had players around them with pace Heighway, Mcdermot Rush Johnston. Whelan and Mcmahon were both very mobile.You need the right mixture in the middle steel pace and intelligence.My Point is each department should have a some one with pace. This season I have seen us play with no real pace at the back when johnson missing none in the middle and the only two players with reasonable pace up front. gerrard and Torres.We are crying out for pace out wide especially if your playing deep.We wouldn't have to play so deep if one of the centre backs had real pace.

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04 Dec 2010 12:06:15
Liverpool Rumours
Mate Pacheco signed a new deal last night, sort it out!
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New deals/ contracts don't mean they are going to stay, just it keeps the value of the player up so he can't leave on the cheap.

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04 Dec 2010 12:01:37
To the person speaking about the rumours, about no top players moving to Liverpool without champions league, do you actually suppor the club?
Torres did not come to the club for champions league, he came for the love of the club, and love of the legend that is Liverpool.
Players do not always travel to simply play in the biggest competition, they move to play for the biggest club, where players don't play for money, they play for the glory, and to have their names remembered down the years as playing for the best club.
Liverpool still have the ability to compete at the top level for players, at the moment, it will only be with continued failure at the top level that players will not want to play.
This is shown with the loyalty showed by pur world class players, Reina, Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt still want to play for the club, and want to drag it back to the heights it deserves!
Instead of putting your clubs ambitions down and telling us were aiming too high, why don't you support the club, get behind the team, and aspire for greatness, instead of settling for nothing more than headlines.
Ed, how do you feel on this?

{Editor's Note: Liverpool have a certain pulling power and is well respected - but players go for success and money, certainly not for the history of a club.}

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04 Dec 2010 11:56:38
Liverpool Rumours
04 Dec 2010 05:40:19ED is it just me but why is it everyone seems to think football today is about pace, people like jan molby, gary mac and the great kenny daglish never had pace but what they did have was a great football brain and were exellent passes of the ball, so my point is a player doesn't need pace to be a great player so why are some fans going on about we need people with pace, whats your view on this ED?
to this guy^^^
you have to remember that when those guys, that you mentioned, played, football was a completely different ballgame (excuse the pun). they were footballers. nowadays footballers arent just footballers, they are the equivalent to athletes. pace these days in football is just as important as strength and technical ability as most professional players are at their physical peak and most have all 3 of those attributes. especially in the epl, where the play is so fast paced and physically demanding.

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04 Dec 2010 11:21:49
Why do people rate gary cahill and shawcross so highly. yeah there decent defenders, but there obviously not good enough for England are they.
Much rather have one of Rami or Sakho, there young(ish), strong and have broken into the french national team!

E.H LFC

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04 Dec 2010 11:08:59
Liverpool Rumours
Bid for elia and hulk now and send maxi and or poulsen the other way plus put cash on top

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04 Dec 2010 10:54:02
Cheryl cole?

OOh yeah, wouldn't mind slotting one home from just inside the box!

YNWA

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04 Dec 2010 10:51:17
Liverpool Rumours
4 Dec 2010 09:25:37
Should Arsenal buy Eden Hazard, Theo Walcott will make a £9m move to Anfield. He is a Liverpool fan, and wants more regular first team football.

No thank you. His decision making is terrible.

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04 Dec 2010 10:17:15
Liverpool Rumours
Just read that Agger won't be forced out of Anfield, which i agree with. So many people on here want him gone. A fit Daniel Agger is one of the best centre halfs in the league. Hes strong at the back and can go forward and can score. He can play CB, LB, or probably DM. why do people want his head?
Agger and Skrtel are a good partnership when theyre both fit, and they will be.
A source I am close to has stated that Agger hasnt been playing because of off the field problems, nothing to do with injuries, and once theyre sorted he will be fine.

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04 Dec 2010 10:05:13
Liverpool Rumours
I believe that Comolli and Woy don't need their 3 man team to decide on players, we have a whole senate on here who anlyse players for purchase, we should be the transfer board of anfield!

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04 Dec 2010 09:56:18
If Mr Henry or anyone close to him read these pages:

Honda
Dann

As transfers in January please; absolute no-brainers for LFC success on and off the field.

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04 Dec 2010 09:24:41
Liverpool Rumours
Realistic rumours please, we are un able to shop at the top of the market without champions league football and to even get the top players attention we would have to be offering stupid wages like mancity. and transfer targets from mancity will not happen as they will neither sell or loan to a rival.
also many players from france because of comolli, but how many french players were signed when he was at tottenham? not many. eden hazard will not move in jan so maybe top target for the summer, kesuike honda, will be top target in jan, and players who are not getting first team football. value for money is extremelly difficult in jan, as clubs like bolton, stoke wigan etc would want pretty much double the value for there players as to stay in the prem is worth more, than lets say 10m and they lose cahill who is there best defender. so players who are unhappy or not getting game time will be looked at to strengthen the squad and try to keep us in touch with a top 4 finish, players like nico krancjar, david bentley etc (not saying they are targets). liverpool may look to do there january shopping abroad but this can prove difficult due to again large fees and players needing time to adjust, very rare is it that a player signed in jan has a big impact, i can only think of arshavin at arsenal. so don't expect to much in jan, and unless a bad run of results don't expect roy out till the end of the season, as like players, managers are hard to cum by also. i would love to see a young british manager incharge come the summer, however the premier league is very cosmopolaton, made up of more foreigners than british who in general tend to react better to foreign coaches and managers, (at the top of the prem) so i would expect a foreign manager to be brought in, after nesv have searched the world over and then proberly once more to find the right man.
ed would you agree with any of that?

{Editor's Note: Most of it - Comolli has a good knowledge of French football and, among others, French players are being looked at. I expect Honda will be a January target and I agree Hazard won't move in January. I also expect Roy Hodgson to stay until the end of the season.}

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04 Dec 2010 08:31:35
Targets for January:-
Old King Cole
Sakka Cole
Bagga Cole
Slaw Cole
Tonna Cole
Innit Cole
Man River Cole
Porter Cole
Nat King Cole
All of the above would be preferable to Carlton Cole
Mal 44

cheryl cole?

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04 Dec 2010 07:44:18
Liverpool Rumours
Pacheco, kelly sign new deals. . .woohooo!

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04 Dec 2010 06:28:28
Liverpool Rumours
All LFC fans stop fretting. Nobody knows who we will buy or what money there is to spend. When did we hear about NESV?? Who knew Mierless was going to join us? Big name players don't gurantee success! How many flops have we had?? I am sure that Comolli will identify talented yougsters that we can buy "cheap" and who will have a massive impact in the team. We need to start playing with more speed on the flanks which we have in Babel ( lazy i know) and jovanovic. With Raul and Lucas holding the midfield and distributing the ball we can break quickly and feed Torres and the 2nd striker (Gerrard or Kuyt) thatis how we will break down teams. Aurelio needs to start at LB to allow us to have 2 attcking wingbacks. Attack is always the best form of defence and it is frustrating to see the long ball being played up front when we have no target man like Crouch. Torres gets hammered all the time. Carrol and shawcros and cattermole should be bought and will be the spine of the team for the future.

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04 Dec 2010 06:06:56
Ed's note - the editors, all of us, slated him for not PLAYING him, are you trying to say that has changed?

Sorry ed's normally agree with what ye say. ONLY CAUSE YE ARE NORMALLY ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

but, Pacheco was at the best mediocre Thursday night. And before ye suggest he was played out of position. Talent will always out if it is there, a certain young man called Messi is proof of that when he was supposedly played out of position in Barcelona at one time in the not too distant past. So Pacheco prove to all the eds how great you are please we will all be happy for it :-)

{Editor's Note: Pacheco is youg, his chances will come. Messi is hardly a good example.}

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04 Dec 2010 05:40:19
ED is it just me but why is it everyone seems to think football today is about pace, people like jan molby, gary mac and the great kenny daglish never had pace but what they did have was a great football brain and were exellent passes of the ball, so my point is a player doesn't need pace to be a great player so why are some fans going on about we need people with pace, whats your view on this ED?

{Editor's Note: Obviously I can't explain people think any one thing or another. The "pace" issue comes from the nedd for wingers.}

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04 Dec 2010 05:37:19
Liverpool Rumours
Mr Henry's latest tweet. . . .The number of daily LFC rumors is astounding. Someone should start a blog keeping track of the actual percentage that end up being true.

I wonder if he knows about this site?! What do you reckon ed? Will he be on here three or four times a day like most of us? Or at least a representative of his!

P.Chips

{Editor's Note: I am sure he is here all of the time.}

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04 Dec 2010 03:56:40
Liverpool Rumours
Ed what do u make of the new contracts of pacheco and kelly does this mean pacheco will finally get his chance up front with torres and do u think marin is a realistic possibility in the jan wondow since he is young

redman

{Editor's Note: No, he has simply signed a new contract. He is young and chances will come.}

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04 Dec 2010 03:17:33
Liverpool Rumours
Just been out for a while. Well use 2 visit LFC TRANSFER SPECULATIONS. On facebook. I think they are sure rollocks. They almost link 25 players each day to liverpool. Wat do u think Ed.? The Admin claims he has contacts into the club. But they are no older than 19-20. Plz post it into rumours section. Press believable if you think they are legit or otherwise.

{Editor's Note: I don't use Facebook.}

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04 Dec 2010 02:28:16
Why in the sweet heaven would you not take a player liker Shawcross in Liverpool?- Why?- What's wrong?- What d'you expect? Could someone explain that to me- I don't get it. [P.S.- Please do] [P.P.S- -Jesus! ]

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04 Dec 2010 02:21:41
Liverpool Rumours
Ok- -this believable. . .unbelievable carp is carp especially when somebody makes more than one suggestion. . eg roy needs to go- - obvious that's believable, but in the same post they might say liverpool to spend 100m in january- -which is very highly unbelievable- - - - - how can somebody click believable or unbelievable in these circumstances. . . . find a better way pls

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04 Dec 2010 02:21:36
Liverpool Rumours
It seems Agger doesn't want to leave, as he has stated that he has four years left on his contract, and the club cannot force him out.

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04 Dec 2010 01:12:21
Liverpool Rumours
ROY to get full backing from NESV in JAN

IN
DANN
HONDA
MARIN
GOMEZ

OUT
AGGER
BABEL
JOVA on loan

ROY needs a top 4 finish to keep his job.Roy has a better chance of getting full backing from Konchelsky, Aure;io, Johnson, Kelly and occasionally Carra and Agger

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04 Dec 2010 00:57:44
I think we should go for mexes, honda and adam johnson in january.
After christmas we can have a team of.
GK-Reina/ JONES
RB-G.JOHNSON/ KELLY
CB-Mexes/ WILSON
CB-Skrtel/ Kyriakos
LB-KONCHESKY/ Aurelio
CM-GERRARD/ SHELVEY
CM-Merieles/ Lucas
RM-A.JOHNSON/ Kuyt
LM-Honda/ Maxi
CAM-COLE/ Ngog(as second striker for 4-4-2 formaton) or PACHECO
ST-Torres/ Ngog

CARRAGHER, SPEARING-injured

Babel-SOLD
Jovanovic-SOLD
poulsen - SOLD

*Players in CAPS, Homegrown.

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04 Dec 2010 00:00:39
Liverpool Rumours
Well, once again this site proves that not one of you on here knows any concrete inside information. Pacheco has been in negotiations about a new contract for the last 3 month, whilst in the mean time I've read, and including editors of this site, numorous people slate Hodgson for not trusting in young talent or actually rating the guy as a footballer.

'Nuff said now he's signed the contract at last.

SpyLFC {ed's note - the editors, all of us, slated him for not PLAYING him, are you trying to say that has changed?}

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