Liverpool Banter Archive February 04 2013

 

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04 Feb 2013 23:16:16
So, let's have this right - 6 x games in the FA Cup for Champions League, against 38 x league games for same?
And two or three of those could be against non-league or Div 2 opposition?
Haha. We'd have clubs doing what happens to the cup now - resting players for league games!
Half empty stadiums for league matches.
What a joke.
Stick to a web site.
The Juicer


Where did you see this, Juicer?

ChrisMiz


The League cup gets a team into Europa, like we got last season. But i'm not aware of the F. A cup getting a team Champions League, I can only presume you are responding to such a propersition.


Football should be about trophies mate, not 4th place.

BthekingB {Ed023's Note - It is about trophies but when you're a side rebuilding, 4th place and Champions League qualification can help the rebuilding process by opening up a new pool of players who would want to sign. Fa Cup winner getting a Champions League slot would be stupid. What happens if 1st place beats a championship team 5-0 in the final, do the runners-up get qualification to the Champions League? I'd love to know who comes up with the wonderful ideas (sarcasm)}


 

 

04 feb 2013 23:05:40
pepe reina. we cannot compete. no not with you in goal running after a striker at corner flag if it wasnt for him wed have had a lot more points. 8 mistakes directly leading to goals. ? your fault and then comes out with this haha. jog on


You need to read what he said (the bits in the '' '' quotation marks, he was talking sense, about the team needing time under Brendan's philosophy.

You need to jog on,. to a library!


Who replaces him then? Jones is a lovely guy and a decent keeper. But we'd be in quite a bit more trouble if he was number one. Pepe is a great keeper. It's ok to fall out of form once in a while. Truth be told, he's kept us in quite a few games over the years too.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 23:04:25
Liverpool play west brom monday. all these football journalists keep bringing this terribly bad and ridiculous stat we haven't beat anyone in top half. well west brom are so we win then that should be them put to peace move on to something else. you know what's next haven't beat anyone above us. journalists from tv and so on really don't like Liverpool do they?


Kind of heard to argue with facts. But the way we are playing I see no reason why we should not beat them.


Lawrenson is the worse of the lot with tongue firmly up purple nose you know what. Tommy Irish Red


You all realise if we went a season on beating bottom 10 teams home and away that would be 60 points and you would only need a few draws and you have CL spot in the bag, I wouldn't put to much into who we beat as long as well can get to the magic 69 points in my opinion.


Coutinho will score as we will win BIG


 

 

04 Feb 2013 23:03:37
Twitter is a awful source but people quoting we were part of match fixing I hope is un true reds and eds.

Scouse ben


Danish paper alleges it may have been a lfc game but lfc had nothing to do with it


Opposition goalie alleged to have been bent, but failed to allow the right number of goals in anyway. Nothing to do with anything or anyone in a red shirt.

ND


Ben don't worry, we are not accused it is regarding the Debrechen goal keeper and an international betting ring who are ruining football. I suppose at least our players are paid too much as to need money. I read one criminal has paid as much as 121000 euros in bribes, which is pennies compared to Premier League player earns.
Scouse_Pride


Liverpool were involved in the game, but are not under suspicion. Debrecen, or one of their players are the ones being looked at. {Ed023's Note - The keeper was asked to let in more than two goals. Imagine that, we couldn't even score over 2 goals when the keeper was apparently trying to let us haha}


A Dutch paper has some pretty strong connection with our game Vs. Debrecen, however (despite the bluenoses in the office this morning) we were not the guilty party.

It sounds like their keeper was paid to make sure we won by two goals. I'm interested to see the game again now on the off-chance there's some howlers from him.

Essentially we unwittingly benefitted, the club haven't been contacted over this.

ps. quite funny how we didn't manage to score more than one, apparently Rafa went defensive towards the end of the game. bet the keeper was fuming! : )


Its not Liverpool being looked into for match fixing it's a hungarian side
that Liverpool happended to play in 2009 being looked at. It says that Liverpool new nothing of what was going on. They think that match fixing could have been rife in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Hungary.


To the bluenoses in your office mate, ask them if they remember the name Hans Segers and Wimbledon at Goodison last game of the season in I think 93 or 94. Think they will soon shut up.

Waro {Ed001's Note - good call Waro, even my auntie, who is such a bitter blue that even her kids (who are also bluenoses) call her a bitter, believes that was a fix.}


Supposedly the Debrecen Goalie so no chance it was Liverpool

Pardoe


Hi Waro, that did go down a treat, it's been silent on that front ever since now!

the old self-contradicting bluenoses : )

Misterdrumz
(forgot to sign off on my last post)


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:50:48
Scouse Red looking at your post from about half-past four, haven't you ever heard the phrase don't fix what's not broken, if downing is playing well with confidence on the wing why take enrique out to play him at left back?

If agger is a centre back why play him in a midfield positon? Every manager before has never decided to do this so there must be a reason it hasn't happened yet and I think the managers know better than you. Agger is our most creative player in the back four so why take the creativity out of our defense, next you'll want to see reina up front because he has good feet or sturridge at right back because he has enough pace to overlap.

Now I'm not a fan of changing players' postitions unless it will clearly benefits the team and the player, but to do it needlessly with your first choice players available is pointless and personic.

I do agree that there are too many basic individual errors, but to be fair agger was streching for the ball, Skrtel dosen't seem to have the motivation and desire anymore and reina dosen't seem to want to be here, this can change but if it dosen't I agree we will need replacements. All in all we are making progress so no need to have a dig at downing.

That's all for now folks.

Lil Red


Agger as a CDM has been discussed before and disregarded. You need tireless stamina and constant running as well as a phenomenal reading of the game to excel in that position. These are not Agger's strengths at all. He has trouble getting up and down as a LB and he's not a great reader of the game. He's a very good ball playing CB when paired with a strong partner that reads the game well.

SpudRed


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:21:27
On another note, people saying that brendan rodgers has the tactical mind of a 2 year old, look at what genius it was to bring a supposedly broken and ageing jamie carragher back into the side, without a doubt if we didn't play him we would have lost those two games.

Focus on the positives as well as the negatives you buffoons!

anonymous woolback


You do realise that in our last 2 games we have conceded 4 goals, all from poor defending which Jamie Carragher has to take as much responsibility for as any of the other defenders.

BrisbaneLFC


Forced to do it after being exposed by his team selection versus oldham but jamie is doing very well thank you.


We played counter attacking football at Arsenal (that's brave and i'm sure was unexpected).

We played direct attacking football against the defending Champions who haven't conceded many at all at their ground.


Yeah genuis to play jamie maybe rodgers should have been a genuis earlier we would have won more games. {Ed023's Note - I suppose Carra would of got the goals too}


This time last week I'd have laughed at this but my god how I was wrong.

At a time when our back 4 are a bit shaky and direction-less, Jamie's done a great job vocally instructing the defensive line, as well as the other players during corners etc.

and his work against some of the quicker players in city/arsenal has been impressive. intercepting and clearing.


Look into my eyes and repeat after me.
Carra = Good. Skrtel + Coates = Bad
Got that? cool next we'll hound Pepe out
Arnold


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:17:52
Edd001 aka The Chief;)
Have you witnessed this rossiter kid, I love kid, I think he's a spectacular prospect, I repeat spectacular to all fans
Edd001, have you seen him play, I don't usually get lfc shirts with names on it but I already have rossiters name ordered for my sons first birthday'

Big Al {Ed001's Note - I have seen him a couple of times now, not enough to judge him, but I am told by a couple of people within the game that he is a special talent. One said he will go as far as he chooses, and that, barring injuries, he has the talent to be running the midfield within five years. I don't think there is anything more you can add to that kind of endorsement really!}


I was talking to Robbie Fowler a couple of weeks ago and he reckons this kid is as good as, if not better, than Stevie G was at the same age.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:17:09
Danish press saying the fixing game was our 1-0 win over Debrecen. 100% no blame apportioned to us, evidently their keeper was supposed to let in more, but we didn't have our shooting boots on that day!
Leedsredmatt


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:15:49
I'm salivating over the idea of if we spent 35 million on ken aguero instead of carroll, what a partnership he would have with suarez.

As G nev pointed out on monday night football once, aguero should be seen as one of the top five players in the world, but for some reason insnt fulfilling his full potential (this season at least) with city.

i feel if enough money came our way, unlikely as it seems, a bid for either aguero, cavani or damiao would almost certainly turn us into a top 4 side immediately.

not much of brendan's plan needs to be tended to noe, we're almost there, keep the faith.

Anonymous wooolback


Do you ever read the other posts? for a couple of years on here the Ed's and some other posters have tried to explain that you can not compare the transfer fees, the difference in the wages and the whole package is miles apart.
Besides why would he come? not competeint for titles, out of CL and not paying huge wages?


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:14:59
i got tickets to see us play everton on the 4th of may can not wait coming over from northern ireland been to a few games but never been to a big rival like this! will the place be bouncing as much as I think it will? would love to hear from people that's been. thanks

andy lfc4life


You are in for a shock Andy because on Derby day there is a nasty undercurrent, don't get caught up in the romance of Reds and Blues sitting side by side and may the best team win. Certain sections across the city and in the ground will get very rowdy indeed ( that's putting it mildly. ) Hopeful you don't experience any of this and we win 11-0. Hope you enjoy it regardless.

Waro


Don't worry if you're plane is late - they don't throw a ball on for the first 30 minutes -


Thanks mate I can not wait bring the bitters on I say lol

andy lfc4life


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:07:58
Phoanex red I agree with ye mate. Pity we have fans on here who lack real football knowledge. Like babies in a pram, I want now, I want this many" il give yes a kick up your ar#ses
Cumm on liverpooooooollllll! Too much sugar tonite buayyys.

Big Al


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:07:42
Will people lay of Reina. Loyal servant who could have left like Alonso, Mash and Torres did.

He made a mistake. Get over it. Still a world class keeper.

What it highlights to me is Barring Agger, it seems Liverpool need to target CB's in the summer.

Coates is not good enough, And why we did't take the 20m for Skrtyl in the summer I never know. If you watch the goal MS is hoping Reina comes, I think he comes because he has no confidence in MS to deal with it.

redphil


Reina looks at the team and thinks we are beaten before we go on the pitch it seems after his recent comments that we can not compete he needs to look at being 3-0 down a team with less talent than ac milan got back in the game and teams like oldham wimbledon etc who on paper could not compete did so please pepe the moral is yes you can compete but you need to try. red mick tag ynwa


I don't think its the mistake people really care about but more of his attitude and comments made after the game


Redphil! you could see it in their face's after goal!


05 Feb 2013 08:30:15
skertel hd a very good last season. so we decided not to sell.
the same way we bought joe allen for 18 mill. after just one season.
simple as that. and move on.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 21:00:52
The contrast in character we have in our team, gerrard encouraging the team to push for fourth, reina saying we can't compete with the top teams, after costing us a win with another error, I don't think he would make a deliberate error but he certainly seems to want to leave.

Maybe its best him and skrtel do leave as they don't seem to want to be here anymore. Maybe a change of surroundings is best for both parties. We could still make a good profit on both of them

Lil Red


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:59:44
M

Your talking rubbish mate. We played well and were unlucky to draw. We are progressing, we want get to where we all want to be with whingy olives like you"

Big Al


If you're happy to accept mediocrity and spin that 'we're in transition' we won't get anywhere.

M


Mediocrity my backside, we're playing better football than I've seen at Anfield since the late 80's early 90's and it's only a matter of time before we start beating teams higher up the table. Our problems over the past few years was never versus this big boys but against the lower teams where most of the points come from - how many 3, 4, 5 nil defeats have we handed out this season?

I know this statement will get a lot of stick, but we have not played pass and move football for ages. Cetainly not under Benitez (though we had a great team with him for a season), Houllier, Evans, or Souness - how can you not see what is front of your eyes? {Ed001's Note - we certainly did play pass and move football under Evans! The football was breathtaking under him at times.}


I agree with you that we are playing some great football at the moment and in time I believe we will turn it into points as well.

I also agree with ed though that under evans we did play passing football. During his time in charge we did get results as well unfortunately we just couldn't finish it off in terms of league titles. let's hope that under brendan the great football continues and eventually we will be up there challenging again.


Evans team were well exciting


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:46:02
IMO,. skrtl is a liability at the back and if you play for Liverpool you give 100% every gamd and more. Yesterday he was in a sulk and then carried that attitude onto the pitch. He could have stopped aqeuro even getting that chance never mind scoring from the foolishness of reina! Eddoo1 has even stated that. Sorry but if we are to challenge how can you challenge with that sort of attitude. Shankly and paisly would have sorged out his sulk with a bang around the ear and a cold shower' there's a reason why he's nicknamed skittles.
He was good in parts last season but then in pivital moments made shocker of decisions. He and reina can be class but inconsistently impacting on our results is not acceptable.
On a different note. Boys this jordan rossiter is a superstar" I can't speak higher of him. He is gerrardescccc)

Big Al


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:35:25
i think these players Liverpool should look into signing siem de jong, fernando gago, sow, i'll let you debate keepers as i'm not too sure! We should look to offload skrtel, coates, pacheco, spearing and allen as none of these are good enough well maybe skrtel but not with our current style of play


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:34:18
Conjecture I know, but is Tiote the type of player we need to galvanise the midfield. There would be plenty of competition and we'd need to move someone on, any thoughts eds.

BTW, thanks for all you've done over the past couple of months and before, you make my interest in the game all the more, cheers again.

Christian (Suffolk'n Red) {Ed001's Note - for me, his passing is not good enough for Newcastle, let alone us, and his temperament would leave us playing with ten men far too often. Steer well clear and go for Medel please!}


If its gary medel your talking about ed just saw some vids and he looks a beast of a player.

rb {Ed001's Note - yes I am! Sevilla are in the sh er, I mean they are having financial difficulties, so any of their players are up for grabs in the summer! Medel would be the one I would go for, if it was me.}


04 Feb 2013 22:59:56
Saw a good stat on Tiote near the end of October last season (about 10/11 games into the season), he had as many fouls as Lucas, and had picked up more bookings, but had picked them in whilst making only half as many tackles.

He'd have been worth the �£3.5m Newcastle paid for him, but he'd command at least �£12m now. Not bothered at that price.

- Something Red -


He looks a little pitbull, a real ankle snapper! How is he technically though?

GuvTOB


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:20:52
ED's
Heard reports Liverpools game against Debrecen is at the centre of the matchfixing scandal.

(Although LFC shouldn't be directly involved)

have you guys heard any? {Ed001's Note - only the claims it involved a match we played in. So far anyway, there have been no allegations of Liverpool being involved in taking bribes or fixing matches, simply the opposition.}


Debrecen are involved in few of the 380 games under investigation.
So far no accusations or any fingers being pointed at any English club, their players or officials (Just to make this clear before the conspiracy theorist come out : )

Roy


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:16:24
How do people see Coutinho fitting into the team?

Straight replacement for Downing?

new system and one of others to be dropped?

Or will he not be a first team regular?


If he does replace downing I think suarez will play wide right with coutinho playing wide left.

but I don't think he will be first team regular until maybe next season. I would have said before that he will play in am just in front of gerry and lucas but henderson is playing for keeps so I doubt br will want to drastically change the dynamics of the middle three for the rest of this season unless an injury comes into play and/or a drop in form.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 20:08:14
Ed001 I can see your argument for why Reina came out but wasn't Skrtel doing what most centre backs are taught with tricky pacy forwards and trying to shepherd Kun out wide? The fact is that if Reina had stayed on his line it would have made it more difficult for him to score. We all know that skrtel is low on confidence including Reina which has forced his hand and made him rush out! Skirts looked shocked and resigned to suddenly see pepe right there. whatever and wherever the blame the guy still had to score it and Aguero is classy finisher. Has anyone bigged up Lucas' performance? I thought he was on fire and looking really determined. Tobiwan YNWA. P. S. Great work as always the eds {Ed001's Note - no, he stood and watched Aguero run past him, then reacted by flapping his arms behind him. If he had got across to shepherd Aguero out, Reina would not have been able to get over there without running through him. For me, that is diabolical defending of the worst kind. I don't care if the keeper is running out, you get to the ball and get it out the way. If it leads to a collision with a player coming up behind you, whether your keeper or another on your team, that is their fault. If Skrtel had gone and made it at least difficult for Aguero, I don't think Reina would have felt the need to rush out, and, like I said, even if he had, there would have been nowhere for him to go but back into goal.}


I love you Ed001 but I am not having that fella. Reina thought he was Beckenbauer and made a meal of it.
I admit Skertel was a bit slow reacting to Aguero but Reina should be in goal and not at left back!
Having said that I don't really want Reina to go. he just made an error and got done for it with a class finish.
I actually think Reina should have took a booking for the cause. A little slidey would have been nice to see!
jonnybarnes89-90 {Ed001's Note - I agree that Reina should have done better when he got there, my point is that Skrtel's job was to make sure that Reina never had time to get there. Skrtel had time to reach that ball first and put it into touch, he didn't do it, nor did he even try to move for it. Instead of flapping his hands behind his back, he should have been over there trying to win the ball, even if he did end up by giving away a foul on the edge of the box. That would have made Reina's dash out of goal academic, as Skrtel was half the distance away, if that.}


05 Feb 2013 08:21:28
Absolutely agree Ed001. My read on the situation was and remains the same as yours. Skrtel could and should have deal with it and did not. He basically stood and watched him go. No chance of the shot if he had even just got between Aguero and the goal.

Iggypop


 

 

04 Feb 2013 19:33:55
One og the matchfixing scandal was the reds against hungarian debrechen in 2009. Over 2, 5 goal should be scored and the hungarian keeper was bribed to let goals in. Unluckily for the keeper, our team did not have many shots on target, so it ended 1-0 Kuyt scored. My source is Danish ekstrabladet. dk. We have nothing to do with the bribing. Just want you guys to know. : ) Danieldenmark


 

 

04 Feb 2013 19:28:42
Hey Ed I just ordered the away jersey from the LFC online store just there. Was just wondering do you have any idea how long it will take for it to arrive here in Dublin? Cheers Ed!
DublinRed. {Ed001's Note - should only take a few days I would think, it only took a couple of days for the one I sent a friend in the Bahamas to get to Nassau. On that basis, it should be in Dublin in no time!}


Haha Cheers mate! Also I just wanted to ask you have Warrior upped the price of the jerseys from last year or something? Because every shop I went into in Dublin they were 80 euro whereas they were only 60 euro last season. Any reason in particular for that?
Cheers,
DublinRed. {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}


 

 

04 Feb 2013 19:27:21
Daniel sturridge. Same abilities as fernandi torres? Potentially? Speed finishing? let's not get ahead ourself but bremdan has proved everyone wrong but iv been shouting for this guy for years.


He has only proved the doubters wrong, not those of us who have belief and give the manager a chance

Gill


 

 

04 Feb 2013 19:06:07
Eds,

Aguero goal was one in a Million right not practise.

GAM#


Yhh but i've seen a sunday league player do that when the keeper was nowhere to be seen.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 19:02:18
Ed when Arsenal bidded for Reina did he wan to move and we just block it happening?

Too many bad omens in our team from orevious regimes which haven't acheived much since their time here I only think agger and johnson are good enough to compete at the top

Id promote kelly to the first team and buy a top quality GK, left back and a competitive/leader CB {Ed001's Note - it fell through when Arsenal messed him about on personal terms, the deal was very close to being done, we certainly didn't block it.}


 

 

04 Feb 2013 18:58:53
Forget this season I'm an optimist and I still think 4th is unlikely which is very undeserved because really we deserve to be up there. My question is where does everyone think we will end up next season? I'm generally buzzing already if we can keep suarez have Lucus fit at the start maybe one or two additions to strengthen our squad I'm thinking we will be really strong. I just wish we got sturridge in the summer! : ( also not liking what reina said about our squad not exactly the best time to come out and say that when we out played man c man united and arsenal in one half only because of your mistake did we not win!

London red


 

 

04 Feb 2013 18:37:27
I have a feeling that during the international break, not all our players will return in a good condition.

Piledriver


Don't tempt fate.

Lil Red


I agree mate, funny thing is i'm 55 and if I went out for the night with my son and his mates, don't think i'd come back in good condition lol


Look into my eyes, not around the eyes.

Po


 

 

04 Feb 2013 18:36:58
Why we saying how well we played!


We DIDN'T win the game so dropped 2 points from a winning position.

It's all very well playing pretty football but we need to be winning.

What's happened to our winning mentality - a draw isn't good enough.

Also average age of team was over 26. and KK signed a fair few of them, so no point giving BR the credit for the decent football - we won't win anything with kids.

One decent performance doesn't make a season and we are well off the pace.

So hold your horses, at the moment it's one step forward, two steps back.


M


Spot on M.


We can, however, give credit to BR for making these players good enough for our team. Some people who i'm sure we considered selling, like Downing, have upped their game so much since Kenny left. And who would have thought that Suarez would be scoring for fun under BR, and not Dalglish?

Piledriver


We are saying we played well because we are getting better and moving in the right direction. if you can't support the team no matter what then don't support them at all. Its fans like you that want us to throw stupid amount of money at players then cripple the club in years to come.


This season was always going to be a developing year. I think BR can take great credit. Esp with Henderson for example. KD stuck him on right wing and destroyed the fella's confidence.

They are starting to play a system and starting to look confortable in that system, and the result are starting to come, he has also shown a ability to learn and change his mind. Downing for example.

Really optimistic about LFC at moment, we are getting there and will challenge for top 4 next year and once we are in there again we will attract better players again and challenge for the league.

YNWA

redphil


Sometimes I wonder how some fans are blind to what is going on. You answer your own questions here if you think about it.

It has nothing to do with our winning mentality at the moment. We have gone to both the Emriates and the Ethiad and taken the game to both teams. Aren't City still unbeaten at home this year?

As redundant as it sounds our problem is consistency, but once again what would you expect with how many kids we have had to rely on this year? Not complaining, but injuries haven't helped us either added with our small squad to begin with.

You would have to be lying to yourself if you say you can't see the progress. Our kids will come good, and with the Luis/Danny partnership looking to be oh so fantastic why can't we all just try and stay positive for a bit. The anxiety on these forums sometimes is depressing.

Sorry for the long rant but had to get it off my chest.
EMAN34


Hello M. Are you trying to make a name For yourself? Do you think you're the new Ozone? because you're way off the pace at the minute. Try adding O. N. G. To your sign off. Don't worry sunshine, you'll get there.

Bigbadben


He's a barrel of laughs.


A lot of positives can be taken from our last two games, I think that's what people are focusing on. Context is king.

BCDI.


Is it you Ozone?


Actually we did play well, but for reina and skrtl we'd have won.

We attacked well, Sturridge looked excellent again, the midfield was solid.

Just need to cut out mistakes.

We're heading in the right direction, can't wait to see coutinho!


Sometimes when you win, you actually lose and sometimes when you lose, you actually win and sometimes when you win or lose you actually tie. White men can't jump. love that film and Rosie Perez!
jonnybarnes89-90


And the style of football being played is exactly the same is it? most you people have no concept of football and tactics, kenny bought a few decent players and will always be a ledgend but give credit to BR for what he's done, he's brought the team together, playing better football and brought in mostly good signings, give him time and he will bring us back to where we should be.

Gill


Who scouted & recommended Suarez!?. .

King Kenny.

M


Hello everyone.
I would like to express my views on the appointment and progress of Brendan Rogers.
He is quite patently an articulate man. He is also a football man. He worked his way through various backroom teams and, if what I read is correct, finally came to the attention of Jose Mourinho - who actually 'head-hunted' him and bringing him to Chelsea as part of his backroom team. But Brendan left this security to become his own man.
In my opinion Brendan Rogers is clear and dynamic in his views as to how football should be played. This is bourne out in the slick, purposeful, possession-based-football we are beginning to see. In a matter of just a few months he has given us a style that other teams are already beginning to find difficult to combat. Yes, there have been bad-days but he himself said after we were hammered by West Brom that there would be more of these types of defeats before the players learned to play HIS way; they are learning. When they have fully learnt; we will be a force.
We are one of the youngest teams in the premier league and I expect BR's ideas with time to be more and more reinforced into this young team. I and fact, I believe that given enough time we will become the English equivilant of Borussia Dortmund.
It is clear that we cannot compete financially with the Manchester Citys of this world therefore an alternative and viable strategy is necessary. BR and FSG are aware of this; hence our strategy of buying young players with a particular style.
One more thing, unlike many, many previous managers Brendan does not waste money. We threw money around like confetti for years. But our new man drives a hard bargain ( - and I believe its about bloody time we had someone with a bit of sense at the head of our dealings).
The alternative to the above is that we get us a sugardaddy a la Roman Ambramovich and he turn us into a circus. Also, with this, and from a moral standpoint where does throwing huge sums of money about actually lead? . to paying ever higher wages and consequentally ever higher ticket prices. To spoilt brats as excuses for footballers.
Brendan seemingly buys well. let's give him time and let's see what he can do. .


Apart from the the Oldham it game, it seems that every report I've read of a Liverpool game in 2013 it has said 'this was the best Liverpool peroformance this season'. Steady improvement is being made. We've played some great stuff this year and now are starting to look like a very decent team. This was far from 'one decent performance'.

Po


Pretty sure it was Hodgson, not Kenny, who brought in Suarez, M.


Suarez wasnt scouted by kenny he was had been looked at by LFC for a long time before Kenny was put in charge.


Totally disagree with M, however I note 'bigbadben back with the insults again! can this guy not state an opinion without insults? seems a real Nigel Havers of a Fella (Charmer, for toes who remember)


 

 

04 Feb 2013 18:05:19
Hi guys. First time poster. Must say I can't agree with all the negativity on here. This is the most promising Liverpool side I've seen for the last couple of years. Did everyone think that we were just going to be at the top again. It takes time to bulid and in my opinion Rodgers is going about it the right way. I'll be happy to finish in the top five but fourth is still not impossible. Crazier things have happened. Unlikely but not impossible.

Phoenix Red


We need to win next 6 on the bounce. All winnable, and then look at Everton, Spurs and Arsenal fixtures at the same time. If we win those 6 games then I think we will be right in contention for top 4

Redphil


Spot on mate, these persons on here drive me F***ing mad


 

 

04 Feb 2013 17:57:28
Champions league match played in England in the last 3-4 years that was fixed?
I'm going for spurs 3-1 Inter


It will be a dead rubber game (nothing to play for by both teams).

The Irish Rover


It has to Involve Italian opposition, as I don't see many other Countries allowing this sort of thing to happen.

Piledriver


Why don't they investigate the match fixing that happens at Old Trafford every other week?


Reports say it was Liverpool v Debrecen but nothing to do with Liverpool whatsoever. Apparently reports say it was there goalkeeper and he did it v Fiorentina as well.

Mighty reds


Seemed suspicious alright hmmm.


3-1 Spurs and Rosie 47 got banned from betfred.
Scouse_Pride


 

 

04 Feb 2013 17:31:53
Just a quick question how is teixira (spelling) doing since we signed him and do you think we could see him making a few first team appearances next year perhaps in the league cup?


He's running the show pretty much, Adorjan deserves his chance as well, he's been plugging away for three seasons now getting huge assists and goals.


Either Manchester United 4- 0ac milan or chelsea becoming champions league winners.
huddz red


 

 

04 Feb 2013 17:16:45
Hey eds,

i was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this or is it just me.

why does brendan not make any attacking subs. he left it rather late vs arsenal and it cost us as we were tiring and yday against city he didn't bring any of his attacking options (borini, sterling etc) on. he brought on allen insead who had virtually no time to make an impact.

MadRed32 {Ed001's Note - maybe he just has no confidence in the players on the bench to make a difference, right now.}


Sturridge was carrying an injury from early in the 2nd half and must have been getting monitored, credit to the lad he stayed on and played great, how many players do that these days.
Enrique was coming back from an injury and was not certain to last 90 mins so again was obviously being monitored so that's 2 substitutions accounted for.
3rd one you have to hold back in case of an injury or the keeper getting red carded.
So when you analyze it, Brendan Rodgers was Managing the subs to suit the given situation on the day

kidmillions.


I don't think Borini is fit/sharp enough to make a difference, Sterling might but he didn't want to sacrifice Downing who had been working very hard and disciplined for the team. With some easier matches and Europe to come, the Jonjo, Suso, Sterling and Borini may all get chances.

Papa G


Think Ed001 is correct, but things change. Downing for example looks a different player. He would have got no where near the 1st team months ago.

Redphil


 

 

04 Feb 2013 17:05:00
you got to wonder given how well we have played recently what position would we have been in if we had bought Sturridge in the summer?


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:50:19
Reina article on SlySports, moaning that we cannot compete in the premier league title race with utd, city and chelsea because "there's a reason they are so many points ahead of us, and it's not because of one or two better players".

No Pepe. Its because we have 1 or 2 worse ones. You included. Really not impressed with his attitude.

RedChris


Well we are 9 points of 4th, no where near 2nd place who are 9 points off of 1st place, so Reina's not lying is he!? In fact he's stating an obvious truth. I get it, how many times has Reina looked up the league and seen 15+ points being the difference?

I'd rather the players be truthful about where we are than lying about it. ''Mathematically we can still qualify for fourth'' How utterly embarrassing things have become.
Rodgers has said time and time over ''it's going to take time. ''

This season was never about qualifying for the Champions League, Man City, Utd, Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal are a head of us, we've sacked three managers in three seasons. That's why Everton are a head of us, what was to be expected?

BCDI.


Did he mention the reason then? I would love to know what he thinks it is then?


Totally agree mate, all the fans adore him, and you can tell he doesn't wanna be here he shows no emotion anymore, he used to be so vocal on the pitch, he needs to go, but like his pal Torres the grass ain't always greener


To be honest, I think we're a world class centre back and a world class (young) keeper away from being a real force.

ChrisMiz


04 Feb 2013 19:47:10
Read the article in sports review and whilst what he says may be true, not certain on current form he is best placed to comment on it.

I would add he is being generous to himself when he says he believes he has only had 3 poor games this season! I can name 5 games at least this season.

Whilst he has not been great throughout his career at crosses he at least used to come for them. Yesterday in the main he was rooted to his line creating pressure for what is not the tallest back four.

I think a parting of the ways has now become inevitable. He has however been a good servant as he could have left on a number occasions over last couple of years. Just hope he does not spoil it with more ill timed and ill thought through interviews.

He has never been the same since they knocked down his petrol station!

Leamington Red


Pepe wanted Rafa back last summer and his head has not been the same since Rafa left.

kidmillions {Ed001's Note - it was more when Rafa took his favourite keeping coach, that was when he lost his head.}


If he really thinks that then f**k him, he's a goalkeeper plain and simple, nothing more nothing less. let's face it, he ISN'T irreplaceable and he isn't gordan banks is he? He was a good keeper and very reliable but those days are numbered now and I think everything points towards a change and if he's lost faith in the club then he's lagging behind our faith in him isn't he? Rodgers is building something good here and given time he's going to get it right, I have great faith in him and we don't need any non believers on board.


He just doesn't care anymore he knows he is leaving in the summer I for one would prefer to see jones in goal for rest of the season atleast he has the right attitude and wants to play for us


He didn't ''moan'' I do not believe you read the article, you only read the disingenuous headline.

Reina was actually talking sense, needing time and about how hard he has found this season. It wasn't a back handed compliment, it was raw honesty.

BCDI.


He's saying that it's not because of one or two players. He's infuring that something else is stopping us.


I think that's what's wrong with him-A sulking attitude-Not buying into the long term method we have to do. because Financially we can't compete


The sooner we ditch Reina the better.
Thinks he's a far better goalie than he actually is.

Are Barcelona really that desparate?


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:47:33
Interesting debate on our favourite sporting radio station about modifying the FA Cup final so its a little more like the Superbowl. What does everyone else think of the idea? Are you a traditionalist, or more progressive? I personally believe that if the winner of the FA Cup recieved a place in the CL, and that the final was a little more 'glamourous' it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. In order to be more profitable clubs I feel must move with the times.

El Pi**edolero


How on Earth can it be modified, more like the Superbowl. what?

TigerStripes


Champions league spot for the cup winner is the way to go. In fact I've been saying for years that the FA cup AND league cup winners should get a champions league spot instead of runners up in the league. If this was introduced across Europe then you really would have a "Champions" league.
As for making it like the Super Bowl, not bloody likely

Chris in Tamworth


I don't know if it should be like the Super Bowl, but it wouldn't be the worst idea to have it be worth more (monetarily and, as you say, perhaps worth one of the 4 CL spots).


The FA Cup and especially, the League Cup, are certainly not what they used to be. I think a format similar to something like the Superbowl kind of thing would increase prestige and big clubs would begin to care again.

ChrisMiz


I agree that the winner of the FA Cup should get a CL spot, instead of 4. placed.

But don't go and americanize it too much


Wardrobe malfunctions from has-been pop stars and dozens of surgically enhanced and scantily-clad cheerleaders would clearly increase marketability of the event to male spectators; however imposing a half-time show would only allow lactic acid to build up and have a negative impact on player performance, unless the issue were resolved (like in eggball) by having unlimited substitutes permitted an unlimited number of times during play stoppages.

- Logic


Sounds good to me but what if you had oldham against barca in the champs league for example. Maybe a position to qualify for the champs league


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:47:23
Hi eds/everyone, excellent performance yesterday we are very unlucky we didn't get more from the game vs arsenal and man city, what is annoying me is alots of fans are coming here saying reina made a mistake running out and why didn't centre back run to the goal line etc etc if mistakes weren't made at if everyone was perfect there wouldn't be any goals it's like Gerrard goal amazing but as man city example they would say why give him that space to chest it down and shoot, so guys everyone will make mistake that's how most goals are scored from mistakes let's support our players all the way.

Lfc fan from cardiff


Mate end of the day mistakes cannot be justified by saying that other teams make them too, although I do agree that reina is taking lots of flak. It was a basic error but if your criticizing errors then why not point to agger losing focus and playing all of man city's players onside for the first goal. I do still think we need a new keeper, agger on the otherhand is still a quality player.
derryred


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:33:12
Cant fault the effort and football yesterday, first class all round apart from the usual defensive errors, GJ caught wrong side of Milner from the throw in and Agger standing with arms aloft not playing to the whistle gave Dzeko the yard needed to score, Poor.

As for the Reina howler well enough said, and I've never been a fan of Skyrtle i'm afraid, time to look at Toby Alderweireld from Ajax, good CB and young.

Also I've read a lot about a young spanish lad Benat Etxaberrat, very similar to a young Abi Alonso i'm told, I've said on numerous occasions were not far away but we need to tweek 3 maybe 4 positions.

The youth are coming on bundles but we lack solid performers in 2 to 3 positions, address these problems in the summer and we will have a great squad of players.

I hope that Skyrtle and Reina are replaced, i'd also have a word with Agger as I know he's a good defender but he's not a great defender in my opinion, I still reckin buy 2 CBs and move agger into a midfield role alongside or instead of Lucas.


Im sure Belfast Pete and Mushroom will have their intellectual input, but apart from some great football were still leaking goals thru silly schoolboy errors.

well done JC and SG, both had a good game, credit were its due. I still don't get Downing i'm afraid, I was pleased when he came from Villa as he looked good in their side, maybe an average player looking good in a poor team, who knows but he isn't LFC standard for a regular starting berth in my opinion, a squad player at best.

Id still try him at LB with Enrique just in front, worth a punt in my book and if that don't work get rid, because he's defo not a winger when he plays for us.

Scouse Red.


Think ed2 will tell you toby alderweireld is off to spurs in the summer!! {Ed002's Note - Ajax's Toby Alderweireld looks a likely canditate to replace William Gallas at Spurs in the summer.}


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:27:35
Ed and readers am I missing something. Was that not the best a Liverpool side football ways going forward and passing and control in some years. And there's very little mention in the press which we should have won easily. Against a city defence that don't let many in at home I'm shocked lol. And Henderson the best on the park 2 games running and iv never rip'd back out ot the lad if Lucas has taught anything TIME to bed in cheers. MATTYLFC


I'm sorry, but every newspaper today has said we played great yesterday - should have won - and that Rodgers is doing a great job - don't start getting paranoid.

Po


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:18:54
I wrote Steven Gerrard off and thought he was past it. got to put my hands up there and take it as a lesson learned. Never write Steven Gerrard off


And that's the exact reason why you didn't leave your name


Only a fool writes Gerrard off

He's still the master


04 Feb 2013 22:01:04
This is what annoys me about the modern game, Some players aren't even allowed the chicken skin in their diet, such is the level of care and attention to taking care of yourself in the modern sports science side of things. Yet many of us don't account for that. We saw the greats of yesterday retire at 33 or 34 and that's that, we don't account for the boot bag being full of crap nutrition and the beers every weekend.

I can't help but look at players like Sheringham getting to the F. A cup final at the age of 40 and almost being on the winning team, was it not for Gerrard's divine intervention in the dying moments of the match. Sherringham took very good care of himself and was able to enjoy the game he loved for longer than many others at a very strong level. I think it says a lot.

Frank Lampard is another lad who has taken great care of himself, he's been an ever present for Chelsea over the years and fair play to him, the way he's scoring I think he'll be able to go on for another season at least taking him to 35 years old. And why not!? If he doesn't get the contract at Chelsea; then more fool Chelsea.

Gary Macca was inspirational to Liverpool when he arrived at 35 years old, his age didn't matter, he knew the job and helped the youngsters to win and be successful.
I see no reason why Gerrard at 32 can't emulate Macca and go on and do great things.

The next time someone says ''Gerrard's passed it'' ask ''And did we score!?'' I've been doing that for a while, it's fun and soon changes the who's winding who up, in the banter.

BCDI.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:13:04
just my 2 cent. the reason Aguero scored is because we took off somebody (too early) who coped with him in terms of pace - Enrique. I remember even master tactician Benitez tried to use Skertel to cover for left-back with horrible consequences. hm, and then Dalglish tried. I think or was Hodgson?


Skrtel did n't come in as a left back.
Enrique was subbed because he is still recovering and the system changed to 5 at the back with Downing dropping to left back.
Downing is not a left back.
BUT, Aguero's goal was a super effort from near enough impossible angle, Reina maybe to blame, but sometimes you just have to applaud fantastic football and move on.
Roy {Ed001's Note - I thought Agger went to left back and we stuck with a back four myself.}


Kenny did not it must have been your nightmare with Martin S.


Maybe it was because Reina ran away from the goal when Aguero was in a not dangerous position. But I agree. Enrique is faster. But not blame Skrtel or Rodgers. Blame Reina


04 Feb 2013 22:56:21
Skrtel played right back against Boro for us under Rafa and was destroyed by Downing in 08/09 because Arbeloa and Degen were injured. Rafa put Mascherano at right back next game who did okay until Arbeloa was fit again.

He came on at right back to replace an injured player (Jonno, probably) against Bolton at the start of last season and did well enough. Due to injuries played the next two games there. He did well in the first game, but in the second he was against Bale who destroyed him. I think he got sent off.

In any case, Agger played left back when Enrique came off as Ed says. Skrtel played centre-half. Downing was still on the right side of the pitch, not left wingback.

- Something Red -


Try not to have nightmares about Skrtel or anyone else resembling Freddy Krueger, for that matter. You never know what may happen.

- Logic


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:12:14
I'm looking for a response from somebody with Knowledge of teams selections or inside opinions (Ed001, Waro etc).

Now Enrique and Johnson are fit, is there a chance we could see Wisdom partnered with Agger in the middle at all? I don't see Kelly Featuring again this season personally. He has troubles with injuries, and to risk aggravating it by putting him back in too soon, would be a seriously career risking move. He will end up a Rob Jones MkII.

Just interested to know if any of you know how highly Wisdom is rated as a centre back. His tackling, composure, and marking are easily on par with Skrtels, and I personally think he's better in the air than the Slovak, and faster than Carragher.

YNWA! (Adam) {Ed001's Note - I would have said there was more chance of him going out on loan.}


Not something I could find out really Adam, but in my opinion I wouldn't have thought that would happen, I think he will be used sparingly from now until the end of the season, so as to avoid burnout, same with Sterling.

Waro


 

 

04 Feb 2013 16:02:41
i agree with skrtl not playing he dives in too often and his ball handeling not up to standard.
but we have a real problem to solve carra getting on, quates not in BR plans, and skrtl.
finding 1 good cb is a problem we need 3.
we are in for a busy summer we need at least 2 defenders 1 midfielder to compete or cover for lucas, and a winger.
skrtl carroll quates will give us 35mil too spend some money from fsg and if we really get the quality right we should not fear anyone.
i am sorry too say this but yesterday was KK team only sturridge added.
allen borini sahin assaidi have not made any difference to the team we had last year.
lets buy starters.
Malta


Why are you sorry to admit Kenny was righht?


I love Kenny Dalglish, but this is not his team. Henderson, Enrique Downing were signed by Dalglish, but never really played well for him, which must be credited to Rodgers to some degree. And sure the kids got played some last year but this year they are integral to the team instead of players like Kuyt etc left over from Benitez's team. This years squad is chalk and cheese to last years. We're playing damn sight better football as well.

Po


Signed by Raffa:
Reina
agger
lucas
Johnson
skrtel

signed by Kenny:
Suarez as ST -
Jose as LB -
Hendo as RW played CM
Downing as LW played RW

signed by BR:
Sturridge st - st
Allen cm - cm


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:56:07
Begovic is off to Man Utd.

I know we usually get screwed off Newcastle in the transfer market, but I wouldn't mind snapping up Tim Krul off them. I think he's a class keeper.


Overrated imo


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:47:19
any news on martin kelly? I though he was set to return in the new year?

-SLIM {Ed001's Note - no, out until at least next month.}


Looking for a new contract is Kelly

And he wants 45k a week


Yes because the Daily Mail said it. it must be true.
jonybarnes89-90


The Daily Mail saying 45k p/w. I play too much Fifa and on career mode Kelly is on 45k p/w lazy journalism again by them.
Scouse_Pride


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:10:13
Hi eds I know its a subject you can't go into to much but could the champions league game that is under investigation about betting. Could of it involved Liverpool?

Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - I honestly have no idea about it at all, I am just trying to catch up with that.}


It was "in the last 3 seasons" so it can't really involve LFC


Last 3 to four years. We ain't been In Champions League thenand It wasnt English teams. Just the game played hear.

GAM#


I think they said 'in recent years' that unfortunately (or rather, fortunately) rules us out

Puzzled


Well we haven't played in the champions league in a long time so we might have dodged a bullet with that


It is

against Debrecen


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:55:17
What a difference a week makes ey!

RedSpud


Tell me about it, 4 points lost from winning positions.
9 points behind 4th instead of a possible 5.


What a difference attack attack attack makes


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:34:47
Shame about only getting a draw yesterday. But says something for the way the lads played this last week when we are disappointed just the 1 point from Playing away at Arsenal and Man City! Getting anything from those games was a task. 2 games coming up at Anfield now and hopefully be able to get all 6points against West Brom and Swansea.

Bit disappointed in seeing Pepe's interview today. Not sure what everyone else thinks about it?

Bristol Red


04 Feb 2013 17:18:53
Reina is a disgrace, how many points has He and Skrtel gave away this season.

They need to leave.

WTFBP


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:27:57
Pepe Reina is ok until end of season then he has to go. He as been abysmal this season and cost us too many goals as he did last year. Rodgers though really is turning us into a really decent side and given time will make us into a team winning trophies again.

Mighty reds


Well how about Brad Jones. not a good back up as well. do no why we extended his contract.

Bosco


Give Gulacsi a run, let's see how good he is.
Scouse_Pride


 

 

04 Feb 2013 15:24:03
I think the majority of our supporters are happy with our performance yesterday and against Arsenal last week. If at the beginning of the season if we had been told we would get a draw at the Etihad and the Emerates we would have taken that. the frustration comes with these results along with our other less than satisfactory results. Had we played like last week all season we would be in a much better position now and perhaps expected the draws against other top sides. However considering the importance of every point we can get during our fight for the top 4, at this stage in the season, I can understand how people are frustrated at our lack of a win when we really should have held onto our leads. You can't expect anything out of a football game in the EPL, it is the greatest league in the world partly because any team can win on their day, expecting a win because we are LFC is arrogant, but we have thrown away so many points during the first half of the season it's so frustrating to see us going away with one point when we were the better team. The top 4 is harder than ever now. Man City and their millions have almost guaranteed themselves a top 3 finish, and Spurs have really improved the last few seasons which means there are 2 spots available and four teams fighting for them, two of which are Arsenal and Chelsea. Gone are the days when the top four would be easily predictable, and consistently involve us. I'm not saying we can't do it, just that right now every point counts, and we really need to step up our game to the level we reached on Sunday, and keep playing like that week in, week out, otherwise we will really struggle to be back to where we were a few seasons back. I know the negativity on here is a lot to take sometimes, but LFC can be a frustrating team to support. We will play the top teams off the park and then lose 3-0 to a team at risk of relegation the following week. I understand why people feel the need to let off steam on a forum like this. Anyway, great news about Stevie and Hendo getting their England awards, I think our future is bright, even if right now most of us are suffering Liverpool-induced bipolar disorder.


I'd have happily taken the draws before the games at the Emirates and Ethiad but as we dominated those games (besides probably the last 20 mins or so at the Emirates) and were hard done by in the end. Hindsight can be a right git at the best of times. Still, the positives for the long term are clearly visible and whets the appetite for the next few years as long as we take the right steps.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


You give Spurs as an example of a much improved and (now) top team. It's a good example. Now, go look at their performances, consistency, and overall table standings during the first 3-4 years of the current rebuild that is reaping rewards now. Hell, for that matter go look at how Arsenal and United did during the first years of Wenger and Fergie respectively. Or even look at the first couple of years of Chelsea and Citeh after their money bags owners arrived. Nothing is instant in this game and change takes time.

And I know LFC seem to have been rebuilding for 20 years now. I get it, I've been a supporter for 36 years. However, this current rebuild under Brendan Rodgers is only 8 months old. It's need to be granted at least a little bit of time before we can expect week in week out consistent performances.

SpudRed


Result against Arsenal = great. Perfomance = sucky


Sorry about this just can I ask Cuchulainns where did he get his sig from.

Reusch


You can google the story behind Cuchulainn mate (Celtic Irish myths and legends, Cuchulainn was the defender of the province of Ulster (present day N. Ireland)

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Performance 'sucky - couldn't disagree more with this statement

Po


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:51:29
The 3 players Liverpool FC should sign in the summer.

Jovetic, Mvilla and Mirin!


M'vila has just signed for Rubin Kazan


Redthroughandthrough


M'vila signed for Rubin Kazan (I think) and Jovetic is unlikely as I see it. A few years ago both maybe, but now, I don't see either. M'vila isn't what he's hyped to be anyway from watching him.

ChrisMiz


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:48:54
JC is a legend. To come back into the side and make a massive impact at the back is amazing.

We look far more solid/organised with him in the side. I know we drew both games but against Arsenal we could have easily lost without him in the side.

It's great that at the back we have some competition again.


We have conceded 2 goals in the last 2 games, His organisation didn't help him get anywhere near milner to stop that cross coming in to the box. Let's not get carried away. He's a million miles away from the player he was. And the money we are paying him we could pay to a world class centre half to come in the summer. Carra deserves everyone respect, But a younger carra would have stopped both there goals yesterday. I am not blaming him for the goals, I am being realistic.


Totally agree, his vocal command and level-headedness has saved us this week. especially against arsenal.

if we are in the market for a CB then we need a carbon copy of carra - vocal, defensively minded, good positioning.

I've always been a strong critic of Carra but his knowledge and reading of the game is proving to be a vital bit of our own arsenal at the moment.


There are ups and downs with carra.
On the plus side he is one of the only defenders we have who shouts the odds and leads by communication. This is good, especially with our younger players.
The downside is that we seem to be camped on our own 18 yard box for 90 mins due to the fact that me dad can run faster than him! I still think the positives outweigh the negatives.
jonnybarnes89-90


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:33:46
Anyone got the 'gen', on which U. k team and Game alleged to being investigated by Europol?


Well it's not LFC anyway.

Champions League match in the last 3 seasons.
Could even be a final


Not sure but If I was Howard Webb I'd be really worried about all this match fixing Malarky : D


England v Germany, 1966.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:26:29
Afternoon fellow reds, after reading a lot of posts recently I think its fair to say the majority feel a cb and a gk are needed in the summer. who would be your preferred choice for both positions and why?

NEred


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:15:42
Great game yesterday so unlucky not to come away with all 3 points, twice this season Rodgers has put a team out to beat City and due to massive errors a player has cost him on both occasions. Its all very good some of you kicking the manager while he's down put at least have the good graces to praise him after a good result, I wonder how many other teams this season go to City start with 2 up top and play them off the park. Now for their second goal, yes Reina didn't cover himself in glory but Skrtel didn't help matters allowing Aguero to ghost past him.
I see a lot of people saying its time for Reina to leave and while I do agree that doesn't mean we should all hammer him until he leaves (probably to Atletico Madrid). My question is who would everyone like to see replace him, for me I don't think the club needs to look any further than Vorm, he knows just how Rodgers likes to play and would fit in perfectly.

always a red


I would like to see Frazer Forster come in from Celtic.
Massive lad.
jonnybarnes89-90


 

 

04 feb 2013 14:04:07
did jack butland join stoke city?


Yes he has joined stoke and was loaned back to Birmingham for the rest of the season.


He's their new blind-side flanker.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:04:03
I honestly believe that Pepe should not get too much stick for Aguero's goal yesterday.

Ok, he really didn't have to get out the way he did, but he really managed to drive this guy out to an almost impossible angle to shoot. But unfortunately it went in, but I do really believe it wouldn't go in anymore even if he tried it a million times.

But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that it went in yesterday an we lost 2 precious points.

Marc


Skrtel should have been doing what Pepe did and press Aguero. that is why Pepe felt he had to come out?
Iggypop


Are you for real? - you can count on one hand the number of great saves ( the ones you don't expect a goalkeeper to make ) that man has made in the last 3 years, but you need your hands and feet to count the number of points he has cost us in his errors.
Good goalkeeper that he was, he just hasn't been at the races for us for a long time now.


Let's not get carried away either way. It was his fault but he is a class goal keeper too


Reina mistake all the way. he stays put its not a goal simple. Skrtl gestures to him to stay put but he ignores him and rushes forward. Can't really be too annoyed with him though because he clearly has no confidence in skrtl like BR. Time for a change at the back really carra showed them all what it means to play for the mighty pool. The red beast is stirring and things are looking good. Tobiwan YNWA


Watch it back, Skrtel was tracking Aguero, who was still going away from goal, chasing the high ball. he was best placed to be ready when/if aguero controlled it and turned towards goal to shoot/put a ball in for others catching up.

Skrtel see's Reina, incredulous, and he shrugs, obviously asking reina what's he doing. So he drops back in case aguero passes to someone in the 25yd box to an empty net (with carra in the 6yd box admittedly).

I know Skrtel's not been great as late, perhaps that's why Reina felt the need to rush aguero? Lack of confidence in his back 4/skrtel meant Reina rushed out.

lucky/brilliant goal by Aguero, slightest of angles and took a punt once he saw reina right on him. {Ed001's Note - watch it back, Skrtel was yards in front of Aguero and let him run straight past him, making no effort to get to the ball. That is the issue, you seem to be missing it. Skrtel had ample opportunity to get to the ball first and put it out of harm's way, but he didn't even try.}


Totally agree that Reina has been a worsening liability for some time now. Anything hit half decent goes past him, he's also starting to make glaring errors as well.

The fact that Rodgers had to talk with him, resulting in him losing half a stone, tells me that his preparation and motivation is nowhere near where it should be.

Considering the salary he's reportedly on this is disgraceful in my opinion, he's taking the piss. He wants to have a long look at himself as patience is wearing thin now.

David


So what you are saying Ed001, is that Skrtel was in the correct starting position? Then was ahead of Aguero? So therefore no need for Pepe to come? Skrtel does, what every centre half is taught, and covers round. If they both go and aguero beats them both it's an open goal. It's good defending from Skrtel. People seem to make Issues for the unfavourable players, Henderson, Downing, Skrtel. Daniel Agger has made two mistakes in the last two games costing goals. Getting caught under the ball for Girouds, and trying to read the pass for Dzekos. The half a yard he loses by looking for Dzeko cost him positionally. No mention because Agger is deemed as a world class centre half. Rant Over.
Moody {Ed001's Note - no, what I am saying is that Skrtel didn't do his job and clear the danger. Is that not obvious? He was in the correct starting position, then did nothing as Aguero ran round him to get to a ball he should have made his. Whether Pepe should have come or not is a complete irrelevance, Skrtel should have put the ball into touch long before Reina could cover the 18 yards from him goalmouth to the ball, as Skrtel was a lot lot closer.}


It really isn't that obvious to be honest ED. I understand you saying that, if Reina doesn't make the decision to come. Skrtel has to react to Reina coming for the ball and get round him. FACT. If Reina doesn't come Skrtel has to clear the ball, which he would of. I understand you saying he should of continued and asked questions later, but, he has to put himself in a position to defend, as Reina is caught out of position. Basics of Football. {Ed001's Note - basics of football are get the ball clear, Skrtel dithered, so Reina made a decision and acted. I would rather Reina did what he did than Skrtel did nothing.}


I think you need to re watch the goal from a wider angle. Skrtel is in front of Aguero and will likely be able to clear the ball, he looks to see where Pepe is, as I assume, he has heard the shout. Then and only once he has seen Pepe is coming, does he stop and move to get on the cover. It's an error by Reina and people are looking for a scapegoat in my opinion. Reina should not come unless he is going to get the ball and Skrtel should get on the cover.
Out of curiosity ED, what position and what standard of Football have you played?
Moody {Ed001's Note - and my point is Skrtel shouldn't have been looking to see where Reina is, he should have gone and cleared the ball, then worried about where Pepe was afterwards. Not sure what relevance what I played was? I have worked with some of the best coaches this country has, it was a Liverpool coach who told me a defender should always clear first, then worry about the rest after.}


It has a lot of relevance as to how a striker, goalkeeper or centre half would see that situation. I was just interested as i've visited this site since it was just football-rumours and nearly always agree with you. You are right, a defender should always clear his lines. However, Skrtel did not have the ball to do so. I'm going to agree to disagree on this one ED. I'm banking on you either playing uptop or in goal. {Ed001's Note - neither, I was a utility player, those are probably the only 2 positions I never played! Skrtel had the ball, he was in front of Aguero, he let him go past and get it, that is my point. He didn't react, he just watched and then tried to flap his hands to tell Reina to get back in goal when Reina obviously saw he wasn't reacting and rushed out. Reina's mistake was purely down to Skrtel's laxity in making any attempt to get to the ball.}


 

 

04 Feb 2013 14:00:08
A couple of interesting stats, make of tyhem what you will.

Reina has been directly at fault for 8 goals this season
Win rate 58% when Carra has played, 15% when he hasn't

The Goatherder
JFT96


Hardly a fair comparison when he's played hardly any games. Borini came on against norwich, surely his figures look amazing too.

I agree we seem to do well with Carra at the moment, but not sure over the rest of the season and beyond.


Statistically insignificant


 

 

04 Feb 2013 13:57:24
Ridiculous that Reina has said what he has. I mean honestly, a day after we outplayed the champions and only drew because of his personic goalkeeping he comes out saying that we aren't good enough and he feels he has had a good season. wow.


Well he's half right. We are not good enough and this season has been a massive backward leap. No self respecting football fan can say we are good enough after we got out classed by Villa and beaten by a league 1 relegation candidate.

However, he has not had a good season.


Well he was bought by a manager with a Masters degree and a Doctorate in making excuses, and blaming everyone else but himself for losing points and games.

John B


I can't agree with you on that one second poster. I think we have made leaps and bounds in the way we play and we've had some outstanding performances yes we have come up short at points. But we are improving every week and I can see that and i'm sure a lot of people can see that too I think Rodgers needs more time to make his stamp on the team 2 or 3 more transfer windows and we'll see a real improvement. that's something I believe anyway.

AndyKopLiverpool


'Massive backwards leap'. I can only assume that this poster only watched us play Villa and Oldham this year, and maybe caught the highlights against Arsenal at Anfield. What about the other games? Or getting a settled tight knit squad together? Look, I loved Kenny, and would have kept him on for at least 1 more season, but he's gone. Accept it and move on. No, we will never know how we would have got on this season with KK in charge, but considering all the changes that have happened, players and coaches, a different system and style, we look to be coming out of the difficult days in reasonable shape.

I think BR can only really be judged on how we finish next season, and even then ideally a bit longer still. But saying that we have taken a massive leap backwards is just silly.

Nick


 

 

04 Feb 2013 13:47:41
Ed 001, I konw you mentioned our top priority is CB and GK. As Skrtel, Reina may leave. But I think we need a powerful CM and winger of atleast Turan or Mertens quality. Games like Stoke are tricky when Gerrard or Lucas has off games. Do you think we will concentrate in that position also?.
stg
ynwa {Ed001's Note - actually it is more because we have Carragher, Wilson, Coates and Skrtel whose futures are in doubt, then just Skrtel. That is why it is priority to sort the central defence out.}


04 Feb 2013 16:24:45
Thanks ed. On the other day you told we are looking at Vorm, Ter-Stegen and one German and couple from France or Italy. Are you impressed with any of them that they can play for us in this system apart from Vorm?.
st
ynwa {Ed001's Note - it is hard to say, being perfectly honest. I mean Begovic, for instance, could be the best distributor of a ball in the world, but we will never find out because he gets it and lumps it forward. Goalies just don't have enough touches to really assess their ability in that respect, unless they are like Grobs and do what they want.}


I feel the 4 centre backs you've mentioned should be moved on Ed. Wisdom Kelly and Sama are capable of covering for three of those we just need a experienced solid partner for Agger.


In the same way that we can't play Norwich every week, we also don't have to play Stoke every week either.

Yes, more muscle and power in the midfield would make us stronger and give us options for the few games a year when we play teams like Stoke and Oldham but our midfield has shown that it can match up to the best in the league and on its day out midfield can run most games.

The fact is that there is exponentially more benefit in getting a GK and 2 CB's that are reliable and making few mist sees than getting in a big strong CDM.

It's on the list, I'm sure, but first things first.

SpudRed


 

 

04 Feb 2013 13:03:28
Hey there Ed, was just wondering why my post wasn't put up last night? It was the one where I wanted to know what players name I should get on my jersey. Could you just clarify why that wasn't posted? Cheers mate,
TedRed. {Ed001's Note - no idea, never saw it.}


Would you mind if I posted it again then Ed? Cheers,
TedRed. {Ed001's Note - not at all.}


 

 

04 Feb 2013 12:36:09
Aguero didn't mean for it to go in, he's just puttin it in the danger area! He's not even got his head up, it's not a world class goal it's luck and bad defending


My first reaction was to think he didn't mean it but having seen it again I definitely think he was hoping to hit the target rather than finding a team mate in the box (hence not even looking up), so it was insitictive more than calculated, but to take that away from his is stingy IMO.

Many tried to discredit Ibrahimovic's goal againt Engand for much the same reasons but just because a striker uses his instinct more than a calculated act doesn't make it any less special. Many of the best finishers act on their instincts.

Gav


Make no bones about it. Aguero went to put that in the back of the net!


Gotta give credit when its due man. It was a good goal.

Live-On-Pool


That is an unbelievable statement - world class striker gets past the goalkeeper, of course he tried to score. Just curious what you would have said if Luis had scored it!!

John B


 

 

04 Feb 2013 12:26:23
We definitely. Need a new keeper and a quality center half. the Germany league possess. Some outstanding players. I'd like to see us bring in neven subotic and Marc andre-ter stegen. I know the chances of getting these two are slim, but they would fit straight into our style of play.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 12:23:56
If we have that confidence and desire in every game, then a push to win the Europa league and 4th spot are achievable!

Thought the lads were great yesterday, sad to see Reina make such a huge error which cost us so dearly! I've been critical of pepe, I do hope he's not remembered for his last few seasons - i'd like ter stegen and maybe vorm in the summer so we have quality competing for the place.

RedLee


 

 

04 Feb 2013 12:19:30
Two good games, two good performances. That is twice we have been better than City over 90 minutes but still not won the game. Each time an error has let them share the points, although I do agree the finish yesterday from Aguerro was exceptional. Two draws is two points and we can feel positive. It is interesting that a win and a defeat would have been 3 points - I am not sure which is better overall, or what I would have preferred!
We now need to make sure we do the job against WBA at Anfield and finish off the season well. Now comes the consistency test which is what the successful teams can do. It will be important that the squad comes in as we can't just rely on 11 players all the time. Allen, Wisdom, Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Borini and Coutinho will be needed. It will be a test of BR's methods and resolve. I am happy with him as a manager but the next 13 games will reveal a lot about his capabilities.
Oh and by the way, I think Ed02 is good and puts some very well-balanced views on here. I would urge all the Eds to ignore and not be affected by the persons who seem to want score pyrrhic victories over them.

Kev1950


 

 

04 Feb 2013 12:01:40
Look I'm proud of the way we've played recently and unfortunately drawing the last game but has anyone noticed that we we let the leads slip? Twice! Now we were winning 2-0 at arsenal and 2-1 at man city yet we didn't win either game. So I'm all for playing attractive good football and even don't mind losing when we play well but to be winning 2 Important big games and losing the lead is frustrating. I don't really blame anyone and it does happen but 2 in a row? If it means after going ahead with 10 min to go and every single player is behind the ball or in defense I don't care how just hold on to the lead for god sake!
Uruseb {Ed023's Note - Easier said that done. I'm happy with the 2 points we gained. It isn't easy holding a lead against a sides with home support roaring them on. And hardly tactics were the blame for City's second goal yesterday.}


Reina was to blame. And yet today he says we can't compete and its normal for us to be erratic at the moment?!?!

Time to go sorry but it is. Take the hit it was a mistake own up.

Jordan {Ed001's Note - it was not his mistake, he was trying to cover for Skrtel's laxity. We had already conceded one goal because Johnson was caught sleeping from successive throw ins, I am sure he thought Skrtel was doing the same.}


At this stage of our development playing really well away to Arsenal and City is more important than the result.
If we had played awful in both games and come away with a draw and a flukey win, I wouldn't be as happy.
180 minutes of consistent well coached Top Class football with players giving everything for the shirt, proves beyond doubt to me? That we are heading in the right direction.

kidmillions


Turn it on it's head and we came from behind against City from Dzeko's opener, swings and roundabouts

RobInRed


City have quality experienced players throughout there team, the fact that it took a mistake by Pepe and an astonishing goal by Sergio was the only reason we lost. They were lucky.

Against Arsenal I thought they were the better side and we were the ones who were lucky in the end to get a draw, but we should have done better in holding a 2-0 lead.


Arsenal game was an unmitigated disaster given we were 2-0 up with half an hour to go though. One thing we needed to do in that game was stay tight and not concede just after going 2 goals ahead. and what did we do? Concede 2 goals within minutes of taking a 2-0 lead. We are playing really well so it is really frustrating to see us dropping points in the manner we are. A draw against Arsenal, on balance of play, was probably fair, but we should've done better in the circumstances. We were better than City for the 90 minutes, deserved 3 points but let down again by an individual mistake - too many of them happening, it has to improve.


Id rather have beat the goons and lost yesterday, 3 points is better than 2. But you're right about holding leads. Reina has to take a lot of the blame. I feel for Jones, he done nothing wrong but as soon as Pepe is fit he is back in. He is living on past performances, a bit like FT used to. I hope BR puts Jones back in and Reina gets sold in the summer. His comments are leverage towards that I think


I think you're forgetting Jones fumbling the ball against Oldham and costing us a goal. I think Rodgers would like to put faith in neither of them but at the moment he hasn't really got a choice I reckon we we'll sign a new goalkeeper come summer maybe even two? Not sure about two but one is for sure. Reina's the best we got at the moment and were going to have to live with that for a while.


We make mistakes that cost us and lose the lead because we play actual football for 90 minutes. It's easy to lose focus when when you have to concentrate on the ball for that long. It's going to happen, just one of the downsides to playing that way. Swansea were exactly the same with losing leads in the game. It's just something that will take time
Owenll


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:05:59
Hey Eds

What did you think of the game yesterday, and how did you think we played?

Cheers

JoshDLFC {Ed023's Note - I thought we were outstanding all over the pitch but yet again just one mistake and it cost us. Anyone who doesn't think we're improving under Rodgers are clearly deluded}


Agree Ed023


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:38:37
I was at the match yesterday and we had them on the rack for a while there. I was a little bit disappointed with Brendan's substitution for Sturridge. I'd have loved him to bring Sterling on there personally, to have a run at them and give Suarez a hand.
Luis worked his socks off and was virtually shot by the time of Sturridge's departure. The man puts in so much work for the team. Him and Henderson are the engine of the side.
There is no way RVP puts in half as much graft as Suarez. I know who I'd put first on my team sheet anyday.
And, by the way, lay off Pepe a bit because that Aguero finish - in real time - was world class. An outstanding finish from an outstanding player. You've got to say fair enough to skill like that.
The Juicer


Sturridge was injured. Singred


Never said he wasn't inured. I said Sterling on, instead of Joe Allen, to help Luis out and try to get the 3 x points.
The Juicer


Yes an outstanding finnish but if reina hadent have darted after him and stayed in his 6 yard box and let his defenders do the job for him then we wudnt be talking rubbish here


Lay off reina?! If Reina didn't leave area he would of simply catched it on the line? Am I missing something? A defender would of closed him down in the corner not our flipping goal keeper

JD {Ed001's Note - which defender? The defender had already let Aguero run ahead of him to the ball he was favourite to reach first!}


Agree, the disagrees are on Sturridge he was injured.

kidmillions


Agree about Pepe. If Aguero hadn't somehow knocked that in - and how he did I will never know, that really was something special - nobody would have thought he had screwed up. In fact, we would have been saying well done for playing the sweeper role! But what a finish from Aguero - a touch of genius.

Nick


04 Feb 2013 14:51:22
Sturridge got subsituted in the 89th minute, and by that time, brendan didn't want to leave with 0 pts, 2 pts isn't a bad return out of 2 tough away games, minding that we win our next 2 at home to wes brom and swansea, our fixtures on paper seem the easier out of the teams fighting for 3rd and 4th, but as we know every game is hard, so we must now go unbeaten to the end of the season if possible, and must start gambling if were drawing games, as dropping 2pts is going to cost us, as the games our running out, but I, m possitve and have a good feeling about getting into the champions league! To hear that champions league anthem once again at anfield is getting closer! In BR we TRUST,
Y. N. W. A jft96.
Also Stevie G is getting better + better, not missed a league game all season and played every minute, UNBELIEVABLE! LEGEND!
Dhh


DS had been carrying the injury since halftime so to take him off with 4 minutes to go seemed pointless and I agree with the original poster that it was a negative move.


Regardless of the finish Reina had no business being on the edge of his 18 yard box - poor decision making, failed to block the shot and cost us 3 points that we deserved and does not seem like the goalkeeper he was, hate to say it but it's time we sold him and moved on.

SMc


A negative move would have been playing with 10 men behind the ball when we were a goal up with 15 minutes left. To call taking off an injured player (with little more than injury time left) negative makes me wonder what words you reserved for Rafa's tactics while he was at the helm.

- Logic


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:33:26
2 games vs. Man City, 2 big mistakes, both games tied 2-2, 2 games we should of won, 4 points dropped, 2 players (Reina & Skrtel) who have failed to impress this season and who I hope we sell in the summer. Individuals have let us down this season - we were fantastic yesterday, should of won and deserved to as well. Great performance, shame about the result, gap looks a little too big to make up an get 4th but if we continue to play well who knows?

SMc


I see you totally overlook the 2 arsenal mistakes that gifted Liverpool their 2 goals. btw I think if you study the match again you will see that the Liverpool box was like the seige of the alamo for most of the 2nd half and it was constant sustained pressure and great play by arsenal that caused the goals and not mistakes. I think you should give credit where its due {Ed001's Note - I think you need to watch the game, but then you do seem deluded judging by your other posts.}


Skrtel has been pretty consistent this season, he has a slight turn of form recently, but still a rock.

ChrisMiz


I don't know what to make of Skrtel weather we should sell him or not last season he was one of the best defenders in the prem this season he dosent seem interested.


04 Feb 2013 19:14:01
@ Chrismiz

I'll agree to disagree as I think Skrtel has been very hit and miss this season, consistency is key and he simply hasn't been able to maintain it. He never looks good unless he partners Agger, seems to want out - i'd happily let him go for a decent sum.

Also told he was overheard complaining to someone about his pay and how he feels he deserves much more. Unsubstantiated but if true paints him as a mercenary - let the Russians pay daft money for him, I don't mind.

SMc


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:17:09
I think we can hold our heads up high after going to the emirates and the etihad, coming away with 2 draws, scoring 4 goals and being arguably the best team in both games.
Forget about keeper/defensive errors for a minute (it happens to the best of them) the team have done us proud.
4th is not happening this year, but we are at least well placed to give it a real go next year. After a couple of tweaks to the back 4 and keeper maybe.
On another note I would like to say the team are starting to play some really attractive football recently, a stark contrast to the beginning of the season.

MIKEY


 

 

04 Feb 2013 10:54:50
I know Henderson is playing better now than ever but how did he get the under 21 player of the year? He was hopeless last year. Baffling.


Everyone in the U21's were terrible but Henderson was the only half decent player.

BthekingB


Henderson has never been hopeless!

kidmillions


He got the U21 player of the year because he was the best player by a mile. Henderson play for U21 is as good as some of the recent performances for us. He is an established player for the U21 and rather then doubt his ability be proud that 2 LFC players were recognised for their efforts, shame and to be honest embarrassing at times how some fans love to knock our own players, try supporting him and then maybe he too can feel comfortable to play for us as he does for England U21


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:08:22
Just a quick bit of perspective to all those people claiming we're going to win all of our remaining fixtures on the basis of dominating the champions away from home.

Vincent Kompany
Yaya Toure
Kolo Toure

Ok, Kolo is not as good as he was, but take Kompany and Yaya out of any team and they are significantly weakened.

We had a full strength team out.

Don't forget Villa at home and Oldham away.
Don't be making Brendan into a legend just yet, he's not even close to reaching his minimum target of top 4 set by Werner in August.


The target was to improve not to get top 4. We have improved immensely.

BthekingB


As much as I don't agree with the OP, you only need to look back to September with Tom Werner saying champions league is essential for a successful season.

Cheers,

Luc YNWA


Have we really improved "immensly" BthekingB?

Similar points tally to last season, out of both cups this season, whereas last season we won one and got to the final of another.

Last season we beat the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, City & Utd. However this season we are yet to beat a side in the top half of the table.

The debacle at Oldham is a painful reminder that we have NOT improved immensly.


I think its better to forget Villa at home and Oldham away mate and move on.

RB


I don't think anyone is making BR into a legend just yet, like you, you happy thing you, am not getting carried away because being a Liverpool fan we get built up and knocked down. Instead of looking at the down side try looking at the positives. Yes they didn't have Toure, Kompany etc but they did have Silva, Aguero, Dzeko etc who are let's be honest pretty decent players and we dominated that game almost entirely. If we can continue that kind of football then the results will eventually come. In terms of results there isn't that much difference from last year but in terms of style, I know what I would rather watch and I loved Kenny. Top 4 next season, let's judge him then
FowlerisGod


Werner said top 4 was "vital" in August 2012.

He did not say "improvement" was vital.


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:06:30
united, united. ggmu: )poor little reina couldent even stay in the goal, you guys lost 2 points because of him. you guys could have gotten 46 points by now if you guys had beaten aston villa, stoke and you lost 4 points against city that's 10 points, its really really sad;)


Plus the points we should have took off you


We took 2 points away from your title challengers.
Your welcome.

MIKEY


I wouldn't be worrying about winding you lot up if we were going for the Title. But that's the difference between us, you never stop singing your songs of hate against us no matter who your playing or in what game. We only sing about you when playing against you-Sado's. Anyhow your telling us what we already know!


Still obsessed. About Liverpool then silly manc


 

 

04 Feb 2013 11:03:41
Hi ed's and fellow red's,
Just like to say how possitive I am about our hopes of champions league spot, before we played arsenal and city away, we were 11 pts of 3rd place, now we are 10 pts of 3rd, people keep going on about not beaten a top 7 team yet, but we have played city, arsenal and the mancs twice, we have everton, chelsea and spurs at home, and we are beaten the lower teams with regularity these days, so the top 3-4 is in our reach, and we are playing really well aswell, we need 6 pts of west brom and swansea, and looking at chelsea, arsenal, spurs and evertons fixtures, they are a lot more harder than ours, so let's get behind the team and have the best finish to a season in years, and I, m confident for sure we can get into the 2013-14 champions league! COME ON REDMEN, WE CAN DO THIS! Thanks. Dhh
JFT96!
*Y*N*W*A*


 

 

04 Feb 2013 10:47:47
Please note: do not get carried away. We have still not beaten any of the top sides this season. This time last year we were still in both cup competitions and were higher in the league.


Well said. We are currently TWENTY-SIX points behind Man Utd. That just shows you how far behind we are as a club and I personally do not think Brendan is the man for the job. Only my opinion.


And this time last year it all went down hill which left us out of a champions league position and in this mess?! So your theory kind of doesn't work!


04 Feb 2013 14:09:27
We got 14 points of our last 15 games finishing with 52 at 8th. who cares about the cups? Espcially the one we needed penalties to win! So what WE reached the final and lost it? No one dwells much on 2nd places in cups! How in your right mind can you say something so ignorent that minimum of top 4? that's why we let go of kuyt, maxi, bellamy, adam, caroll, doni, kyrgiakos, spearing, aurelio, and demand top 4 without really repalcing them, you must be out off your mind!
THANK GOD FOR BRENDAN
Egyptian


Agree with both


Yeah I agree, Rodgers has had 8 months now, more than enough time, let's get rid of him and find someone who knows what they're doing. (detect the sarcasm).

Its planks like you that damage our club, we need stability - we've improved massively this season and keep getting better and better, in another few seasons we could be challenging for top honours again. If you think 8 months is more than enough time for a manager then go and support Chelsea - there policy should suit your own tame support nicely, don't forget to wave your plastic flag

SMc


Any real Liverpool fan would never say "who cares about the cups".

Shame on you "Egyptian"


Just over two years ago there almost was no Liverpool Football Club. Count your blessings mate, look at the positives and the fact that success doesn't come overnight.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

04 Feb 2013 10:21:42
Hi All
Pepe made a misjudgement yesterday and the team paid the price, but I hope he does not leave, the reason being is the way we play he gets so many touches to feet he is like a sweeper, where will we find someone as comfortable with the ball at his feet. On a more general note two great performances away against top class teams with a couple of top class additions in the summer I feel for the first time in a number of years we are going in the right direction and will not be far from the top end of the table.
Optimistic Red.


Sorry but being able to play as sweeper is not top priority for a keeper

1 reliabilty
2 penalty box dominance
3 shot stopping
4 one on one
5 sweeping abilty
6 distribution

pepe has 3/4 of these

we need 5/6

tom1975


How is shot stopping not first? Surely being able to save better than anyone else is the most important thing for a goalkeeper?

BthekingB


Pepe Reina does not have the lightning fast reflexes of a Top Class keeper.
He's also vocally very quiet.

kidmillions


Sorry kidmillions,
the last few games I've been to (granted a good percentage last month we had Jones between sticks) Reina has always been quite vocal, only overshadowed by Carra's almighty screech. Not noticeable on the TV but at the ground Reina make's his thoughts known.

Can't fault Pepe for that, on a related note I feel his mad rush to Aguero yesterday will have been down to a lack of confidence in his back 4. Can't blame him as he's not 100% confident himself but should have read the situation better, Skrtel was ready for Aguero eventually controlling the ball and turning towards the box, Carra was on the 6yd box and not sure where Agger was but would have likely been on hand to deal with arrivals in the box.

sorry for going off topic slightly.

misterdrumz


 

 

04 Feb 2013 09:59:39
Hy Eds.
I have full faith on you and we know how much reliable you are and your knowledge is. What some dull mind people think you dnt need to care about that.
I have 2 questions for u.
1. What is the reason of coutinio absence from team last nite. Is he injured. Or sumthng else. And when you expect him to make debut.
2. If we get 17m for carroll. Do you think we will bid for torres. Or do you expect a winger to cum.
Thanx.
Plz do response. {Ed001's Note - he hasn't got a visa yet, so it depends on him getting that before he can play. Should be done this week. He did have an injury, not sure if it was just a knock or what though. Why would we bid for Torres??? That makes no sense, his legs have gone move on. I expect the defence to be priority in the summer, goalkeeper and centre halves mainly.}


Eds,
Would it be true to say that Coutinho is a sort of Pat Nevin - except with pace and skill!?
The Juicer ;-)


I don't really think the eds know if any wingers going to cum. if you know what I mean.

Kaizer


 

 

04 Feb 2013 09:35:27
Its great to hear from ex players and current players of different teams comin out sayin how well were playing for the first time in years I think we have got the right man in buck a couple of tweaks here and there we will be a force again and I think top 4 is there for the taken YNWA JON96 ps is it true zenit want martin skertel before there window closes end of this month thanks a lot for your input


 

 

04 Feb 2013 10:07:49
Not a rumour just a point of view. Pepe Reina in my opion has been a bit of a liability in goal for Three seasons now, unfortunately his decision making is getting worse. Before anybody starts sying he has saved this and that remember that`s what he is supposed to do! What he is not supposed to do is continually get caught on his line when a ball lands on or inside his 6 yard line, or continually get caught out at his near post. Yesterdays crazy decision to run out and leave his goal wide open when Skrtel could have contained Aguero was the latest in a long list of cock ups.
Hopefully he will go in the summer and be replaced by somebody that commands his box.
Matt B


 

 

04 feb 2013 09:42:34
looking at the remaining fixtures we haven't got to play any of the top twelve away from home. 4th place anyone? {Ed049's Note - Highly unlikely, to get into top 4 we'd need to collect at least 30 points out of 39 which will be a tough ask.}


I also think it will be very tough but why not be optimistic. here's hoping to a great end to the season!
P. S well done to stevie g and hendo on there individual awards last night.

SB96


It wil be tough but we have got spurs at home everton at home chelsea at home? Spurs stil got man city chelsea away


We can't even beat Villa and Oldham let alone Spurs, Everton and Chelsea.

Please people, GET A GRIP!


 

 

04 Feb 2013 08:35:25
Couple of observations from last night

A. The probably the best 90mins we've played all season

B. The team that started yesterday needs to be first 11 for remaining PL games

C. Pepe has been a great keeper for us but too many errors are creeping into his game and he either needs some decent competition to get him back to the keeper he was or we need a replacement

To all those BR doubters surely you can now see the team is looking better and the future is looking good

and finally I think the two main areas we need to sort inthe summer are goalkeeper and CB

RedDan


Bang on with all


It should be the first 11 if they maintain there form. i'm still not convinced by downing, don't forget coutinho still to come in, and hopefully make an instant impression. Agree we need a keeper and centre back, and maybe that spoken about steel in midfield. Think we need a new goal keeping coach because I am not at all convinced by achterberg and portion some of pepes poor form down to him.
FowlerisGod


Left Back to cover enrique


 

 

04 Feb 2013 07:27:53
Personally I have always thought that �krtel is only as good as his partner. Don't get me wrong in that I do think he is a good player, but can be found out massively if the cover from his partner isn't top class. As such I would be happy were he to depart for a decent fee. Secondly, and clearly I'm not an expert on this, it used to be that if a player requests a move he can be stripped of certain loyalty bonuses that he can expect if the club sell him (obviously this depends on the contract). I am not saying this to stir the nest but if this is the case with Su�rez he would be a fool to demand a move or say he wanted to move on. With the stance he's taken he is the good guy to the fans also. I do hope he is being sincere, but don't be naive to think he's definitely staying. Just think of the home grown player who loved the club but moved on.


04 Feb 2013 10:46:45
YES YOU ARE CLEARLY NO expert that's for sure, he looses his loyalty bonuses if he hands in a transfer request! Just accept the fact HE IS NOT FOR SALE. I doubt you're a red! A blue smurf.
Ynwa egyptian


 

 

04 Feb 2013 07:18:12
ed. mng. good work. and boy what a game.
I think that was the best game Liverpool played all season.
awesome to see sturridge play brilliantly.
lucas kept silva in his pocket such that he was subbed off.
lots of possitive.
still width is our main problem.
lucas and gerrard ist so well in the middle. allen should never start.
henderson playing really well. I mean really well.
hendo/countinho/suso. that should be our future CAM.
we should go out and buy mertens in the summer. or turan. that would seal the deal.
with suarez/sturridge/turan.

YNWA


I would actually dare to say that we do not need to buy new players. Except a keeper maybe, if Reina leaves. But overall we are loaded with young and hungry guys, some of who are still waiting for their chance.

Attack:
Suarez and Sturrige. Borini is young and promising, I do trust he can become RvP level in a couple of seasons. Also we still got Caroll who, IMHO, was not given a proper chance to play with a current squad (and he might do a lot better now, as Downing is way better with his crosses now). Finally, Yesil did not had a chance at all, but this boy has the whole package, and will probably be a class act in a couple of years.

Midfield:
Hendo, StevieG, Downing, Lucas - Looked stronger than the opponents, most of the games this line played. Now do not forget we bought Coutinho, who will probably become our main AM. Also there are Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Allen - all very strong substitutes. And Assaidi, who can still develop, if given a chance.
Now in defence we have Carra (possibly will end career), Johnson, Wisdom, Enrique, Agger and Skrtel. We also have Kelly, who is a world class player (when not injured), and Coates, who is also a world class player with Uruguay (also needs a chance).
And that is a squad that can beat any team in the world, in a couple of years. What they need is just some loans for Sterling, Suso, Coates, Assaidi and Shelvey, so they could get regular first team football, for a year or so.
Regarding keeper, I do like Reina, but the statistics say his mistakes costed us 14 points this season, so something must be wrong with his motivation - probably he wants to go.
To be honest, he, although being a high class keeper, is no different from the most EPL keepers, and even those in other leagues of Europe.
What would be the choices that could (possibly) do better?
Let's see:

Fernando Muslera (although it would be hard to get him from Galatasaray)
Rene Adler
Igor Akinfeev
Marc-Andre ter Stegen
Guillermo Ochoa
Samir Handanovic


04 Feb 2013 12:31:11
what are you talking about?
caroll?. where. which system?
yes I agree we have youngsters.
But adding mertens or turan and selling downing. will make us into top 4. given time.
mertens would beat any defender on the left or right.
him with suarez will tear the defence apart.
we need these two.
CB yes. we need a player to bring in.
But I still rate reina. he on his day is a top class keeper who served our club over 5 years.
dont neglect such people.
only gerrard and caraa has more experience than him in our current squad.


04 Feb 2013 12:32:40
ed.
who are these people?
Fernando Muslera (although it would be hard to get him from Galatasaray)
Rene Adler
Igor Akinfeev
Marc-Andre ter Stegen
Guillermo Ochoa
Samir Handanovic {Ed001's Note - they are goalkeepers mate.}


I'd go for Akinfeev, looks class whenever I see him play, atheltic, reliable, great shot stopper and has done it at the top level - probably wouldn't cost as much as some of the other choices either.

SMc


 

 

04 Feb 2013 04:40:13
Many positives to be take from today lads. The high intensity pressing with individuals working in tandem was excellent to see, evident within the arsenal game where for 60 mins we had them pinned within their own half but unfortunately took the foot of the gas. For the most part we battered the most expensively assembled team in Pl history only to be undone by two costly individual errors from arguably two of our most experienced players, but overall the outlook is promising.

6 points from our last two games would not have looked out of place, and its this lack of seeing out games that is causing us trouble, but with the level of performance this is bound to change, it must, with time and progression leading to a better understanding of pressing in packs, harrasing the opponents and winning the ball back to break quickly using the triangles created within the pack of said 'pressers', this is one element of Barcelona that is often overlooked, it is easy to use the technical and passing ability as the bench-stone for their dominance but there play is built upon the foundations of heavy pressing and its the relationships built up through years in the youth academy which has laid the path for success. The balance of the midfield is what impressed me most at the moment, with lucas hendo and SG providing a fine blend of athleticism, technique anticipation and defensive positioning. Its no surprise that hendo is now playing his best football for Liverpool, with Rodgers taking credit for instilling an excellent level of discipline and entrusting him with a central berth, evident for all to see that KD did not utilize him to his potential, although some could argue his experience playing on the wing has contributed to his advancement into a better player, him 30 yard dash to break the midfield line to receive and hold up the ball for enrique to progress and lead to gerrards goal is a contribution not blindingly obvious in its value but a crucial action of unsung work.

Sturridge is proving many an arm chair fan wrong, with his distribution and hold up play before not notably seen as one of his stronger attributes, but the boy is showing a desire to prove doubters wrong, and long may it continue, the dynamic verve between him and Suarez and the nature of dovetailed appears to look a different and exciting dimension to this team and is a kick in the teeth for any Rodgers doubters, who on current form looks an extremely sound investment.

the only area of concern revolves around the CB situation with agger and skrtel, both who have not looked their best in recent weeks and what last season looked to be the strongest part of our squad now looks slightly fragile. This could be in part due to complacency through new contracts or the adaptation to this new style of football but it doesn't help to have a woefully off colour GK behind them. Every great team is built upon an autharative GK and its beginning to look like the end for reina, who might need a new challenge to rediscover his verve for the game. In my opinion a new CB is a must in the summer, with coates and carra potentially gone, a commanding ready to go near peak defender is almost a neccesity, with skrtel's shortcoming being exposed by our new style of football.

All in all the signs look good, I think gerrard is finding his feet, hate to use a UTD player as an example but scholes had an adaptation period where his form dropped while altering to a deeper role, and I feel gerrard has taken the same route, with his levels of performance and comfort looking much more profound in recent weeks. We must not loose the faith, here hoping to a strong end of season and 3 drops of top class in the summer, a varane, isco and yarmalenko would suit me down to the ground (lol) but in all seriousness I believe we are close to competing again, with the understanding amongst the players growing with each game and vast improvements being shown throughout.

Its easy to forget the class of youngsters coming through who with the correct level of respnsibiilty and fine tuning could have a major say in our success levels. One last thing on Ozone ridiculous earlier annotations that this is kenny's team, only an uneducated individual could say such brass rubbish, its not the player themselves but how you utilise them, with hendo providing the prime example of not utilizing your player to command the best results, the only area of this team I would say is lacking is the defensive solidarity, which the loss of is to be expected with the departure of steve clark, who to be frank is an excellent well marshelled defensive coach, but it will come I am adamant. To be frank Ozone your name must be derived from your similarities with the ozone layer, holes in your logic left right and centre with a gust of hot air, also linkable to your abilty to spout endless hot air like this supposed global warming malarkey, its refreshing to see a nickname so in touch with the argument you try to portray, one of little substance and drenched in make believe, its a shame as I use to respect your posts and enjoy reading them, hopefully soon you will provide something constructive to bring to the table, failing that I will laugh at your inabilty to see the bigger picture. sorry for length, been a while but felt the need to add my two pence worth

many thanks eds

Red Maverick


Well put red maverick what a well thought out and eloquent post! I agree with everything you said-I particularly liked you putting a well deserved verbal boot up the harrises of the doom-mongers and nay-sayers who regularly bore me on this site (which I and my children love by the way!) I for one am enthused and excited about the future of our club!
DevaredJay


Burn! Get the water!

- Logic


 

 

04 Feb 2013 00:22:05
Lets hope coutinho is a straight replacement for downing. And should he have the instant impact and positive effect on the team we will have a good last 5 months of the season to look forward too.

Downing just isn't effective enough. He seems willing but nothing seems to come from most of his play. Not always his fault maybe, but it looks like his position will be 1 where improvement is needed to get the points required to threaten 4th/5th in the league.


Can you afford the luxury of the likes of Suarez & Coutinho in the same 11? Maybe he is lined up to play behind Sturridge one day?

Just a thought.

Mrpjd


04 Feb 2013 09:31:19
please enlighten us as to how suarez is a luxury!


Lol the luxury of Suarez? He is world class, puts in a shift everytime he plays and is capable of doing something from nothing. He's a luxury every team wishes they had.

SMc


 

 

04 Feb 2013 00:44:21
Has anyone seen garth crooks team of the week? He's put Rooney in ahead of sturridge, but he's put Gerrard and Carragher in who both had good games but no where near as food as Sturridge. I'm starting to think the tv is biased, especially after they put the utd vs Southampton game first last week on MOTD before us V arsenal or reading V Chelsea.
Cheers
NotInTheKnow


You are only just realising the media bias? Where have you been?

Nick


You must be young mate. Been that way to us for years


 

 

04 Feb 2013 00:23:17
Wellbeck is not a top striker, end of.
End of what, your whinge?

You need to read the post again, RVP, ROONEY and Hernandez are three top strikers"
where did I rite Welback as a top class striker?, I don't rate the kid'.
Need some spectoggles over those eyes: )

Big Al


Why has Shrek and rvp got caps and poor Hernandez doesn't.

RB


 

 

04 Feb 2013 00:14:40
Opinions on Reina. I think he's still a good keeper, made some great saves at Arsenal. However, he has made a number of very costly mistakes this year (and last year too to be honest). Is this a confidence issue that can be rectified or is he heading for the exit door?


He makes the defence nervous, I'd sell him


Honestly, I look at it this way- if we had had Hart and they had had Reina, do you think the result would have been the same? Personally I think we would have won 3-1 or possibly 3-0 which, for me, means that 1 player can indeed change the game in our favor.


His confidence looks like its gone, the 2nd goal vs Arsenal, the aguero goal today. It's truly a sad state of affairs. I love the guy but I'm just not sure that we can deal with these kind of mistakes that cost us crucial points in the middle of our hunt for 4th place. His mistakes have proved very, very costly.

phillyred


Second reply. . if we had Joe Hart and not Reina we would have won 3-1 or 3-0. You mean the Joe Hart who came running out of his goal to Sturridge and totally missed the ball and was saved only by Zabeletas last ditch tackle virtually on the line, that Joe Hart you mean?

Maybe you should be saying if we had Zabeleta and not Skrtel we would have won 3-1. . . do some of you actually watch the game ffs. Clueless f-in clueless.

Waro {Ed001's Note - why are people blaming Pepe anyway? Skrtel was in front of Aguero and did nothing to try and beat him to the ball! It doesn't matter if the keeper is coming out, if you are a defender and there is a ball there to be won and cleared, you win it, get it clear, then argue about it afterwards. Skrtel was at fault.}


That's what i'm saying Ed001, but your opinion holds a lot more substance than mine on here so you may open a few of these clowns eyes with your response there.

Waro {Ed001's Note - I know, for once I was agreeing with you! Maybe I should make a note of this date in my diary? It might never happen again. Pepe has made a lot of mistakes, everyone does, but this was not about him, he shouldn't be forced into a position where he feels he has to go for it. Reminds me of the days of David James, everyone was giving him stick for going for every ball crossed into the box, but he felt he had no choice because the defence weren't dealing with them. Pepe saw Skrtel do nothing, so he tried to deal with it. It is a wonder he didn't give Skrtel a belt a la Grobs all those years ago! I also want to know why Skrtel wasn't busting a gut to get back on the line, just in case. That is the first thing I was always told if the keeper comes out - get on that line and cover it until he gets back. Why did that not happen? It might not have stopped that shot, but 9 times out of 10 it will block any goal bound shot.}


Agree with ed001. I posted this yesterday. Skrtel let Aguero go and did not bust a gut to get in the way. He did the double arm wave at reina as if to say this is all yours.
Reina did his best to get Aguero into a non-scoring position, but did not could on an absolute world class finish.
If the ball had gone over the bar or out of play, you would all be moaning at Skrtel for the lack of effort and praising Reina for putting Aguero off.
The goal was all down to Skrtel not doing his job.
If Reina had stayed on his line, Aguero would have been through one-on-one pretty much in line with the post. It's much easier to score from there than the edge of the box about 2 yeards from the line.


Skyrtel was looking at Pepe in disbelief.
See a few on here are trying to blame Skyrtel. No way.
Aguero is a player you can't dive in on, you just have to jockey him away.
Reina stays on his line, no goal!
100% Pepe Reina's fault.

kidmillions {Ed001's Note - but Skrtel was ahead of him and just let him run straight past him, making no attempt to jockey him. 100% SKrtel's fault, Pepe would have made no movement out of his goal if Skits had just made it difficult for Aguero.}


You didn't actually address the question at hand Waro. Do you honestly think that if the keepers were reversed we would have still drawn? Supposition and a guessing game, I realize, but if you do think that then I have to wonder what game you were watching. Hart is miles ahead of Reina, end of.


And to be fair Carra should have been busting a gut to get to the goal line and cover Reina once he went walkabouts, not stood on the penalty spot ball-watching.

JCJ {Ed001's Note - and Skrtel.}


When there is a defender shadowing a man a goalkeeper has no business rushing out to the edge of the 18 yard box - it leaves you isolated and exposed. Try and shift the blame onto Skrtel if you want - I agree that he didn't do enough to get back on the line - but Reina was the player to blame for the goal. If Skrtel was left to sheppard his man then I doubt a goal would have been scored. Reina's decision making (and all round goalkeeping) has been poor for the past few seasons, last nights display was no exception to this perpetual decline in form. Skrtel wasn't great, but Reina was to blame for the goal, how you can say he wasn't is beyond me.

SMc {Ed001's Note - Skrtel made no attempt to shadow him, the fact is he was favourite to get the ball and just let Aguero run straight past him, making no attempt to reach it. Skrtel has to accept that he was at fault for that.}


And for once I agree with you Ed001 regarding Skrtle, he was 3 yards in front of Aguero and passed him on. We were speaking about it after the game, maybe Reina made the call that it was his ball.

Ozone {Ed001's Note - either way, he is a defender, defend first, argue about it later. He should have put the ball into the stands then sorted it out with Reina, instead of waving his arms round behind him while not actually doing anything.}


I agree, Skrtel could have been tighter but it wasn't as if he was 5 yards off his man and Aguero was through on goal was it? He was to the right of the goal, moving away from the goal, Skrtel was close enough to prevent him from simply turning and heading for goal - there was absolutely no need for Reina to rush to the edge of his 18 yard box - we conceded the equaliser because of this shocking lack of judgement. He's been poor the past few seasons and this was simply another error to add to an ever increasing list. I am not a big fan of Skrtel but I don't see how you can throw all the blame his way and ignore the Reina's awful mistake.

SMc


So nameless poster, you see no similarites between Reinas performance and Harts yesterday? Both made a few good saves and both came rushing out of goal to close down an attacker, infact Harts was an error imo because he jumped out of Sturridges way were as Reina sent Aguero away from goal down the line, Zabeletta covered Hart were Skrtel stood there ball watching.

To say swop keepers and we would have won is stupidity personifiyed, it was a class finish, imo I want my keeper to sweep behind my last man rather than stand in the 6 yard box waiting to see what happens, your entitled to your opinion like everyone else on here but the cheap shots that Reina has had throwin at him lately are quite frankly bang out of order.

And Ed001 you should agree with me more often, it suits you.

Waro {Ed001's Note - maybe we are just old fashioned and expect our defenders to defend? It doesn't seem to be fashionable to be able to defend these days. I have to say, I would love Zabaleta on our team! He is fantastic.}


04 Feb 2013 19:21:49
Reina's always tried to read the forward's intention more than any other keeper I've seen, and try to make his decision on what to do before the shot's been made. All keepers do that a bit, but not as much as Reina. And I'm not saying he doesn't react to shots, that would be ludicrous, obviously, but the bigger strength of his game was reading the opposition. He doesn't make as many brilliant, acrobatic, saves as Dudek did at his peak for example.

And for 6 years he was brilliant at it. A good example was a few years back when Kenwyne Jones got 1v1, albeit at an angle, with him. Carra was screaming at Reina to come out to close the angle even more, and nearly every professional keeper alive would've done it, but Reina stayed on his line because he knew Jones hadn't the confidence to put the shot right in the corner of the net from there and made the save.

Now when it goes wrong, it looks incredibly soft - Odemwingie and Ramires last year are good examples, Reina was expecting them to shoot across goal rather than into the near post. And he's gotten it wrong more often in the last couple of seasons than he used to. I don't know whether it's just bad luck, lack of confidence, poor judgment or what.

He's also been prone to the occasional dropped ball or missed cross during his whole career with us. I used to reckon he had an 'annual' bad game for us such as the FA Cup final against West Ham in '06 and the CL quarter (?) final against Arsenal in '08.

I thought he'd got back together a bit after his first injury this season, but that was another poor decision from him yesterday. It seemed almost a panicked action from him. And it's just going to heap pressure on him again.

Worreid he won't get it back together.

- Something Red -


Joe Hart is a World Class consistent keeper but even he like all keepers can make mistakes, still he gives confidence to Citys back line that they will difficult to score against.
Unlike Pepe who for over 2 seasons now gives our defenders the jitters.

kidmillions


 

 

04 Feb 2013 00:08:49
I am not saying Downing is superb but its really good to see him playing with confidence and proving a hell of a lot of supporters wrong for the abuse he took off them. Same goes for Gerrard being over it blah blah and Carra for that matter!

Also I would like to put Rodgers in that bracket to for he also had and still has so many doubters but bit by bit we are looking a really good team again.

Too many supporters have been saying how we need Rafa back. I notice this is not being mnetioned as much now is it.

Love this club and I like most i'm sure have faith Rodgers is for the long term and this team will get better and better but they need the greatest supporters in the world to be great again

gareth


 

 

04 Feb 2013 00:07:55
Brendan Rodgers and Liverpool are planning an audacious move for Andrea Pirlo in the Summer.


Yep, certainly meets our recent criteria of young and English. That's Dave Pirlo, right?


Hes about 97 years old


 

 

 
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