Liverpool Banter Archive February 04 2016

04 Feb 2016 22:59:20
Daily mail reporting Sturridge wants out?

Hmmmm I don't believe it at all.

04 Feb 2016 22:56:20
Teixera off to China for 38£. We did well to avoid another mercenary. Talks about moving to further his international career. Good riddance.

04 Feb 2016 23:24:45
Wouldn't you?

Why does anyone expect loyalty from players? There transient employees of the club. It's the fans who make it. Would you really care if tex came in for a fat pay packet like all your hero's have done (stevie, suarez torres, Continho, SAKHO) and score goals thay help us win football matches.

It's not our money, its our club bur I couldn't care less what we pay if we getting top quality players, who cares about personality. Mercenary or not what does it matter. Lallana isn't a mercenary and how's that working out, all our players are lovely boys but they all still take how more than our yearly wages in a week. Remember we have spent 250 mil over the past 3 years, on potential. He will be class and not a mercenary.

We need to drop this don't pay that bull

What happens now is instead of tex for 38 mil we ens up with two 19 million pound players that don't improve us.

De Bryune 57, martial 36, Costa 35, ozil 42 and then city in the summer will pull pogba, stones etc out there hoop and bladder 200 mil and guess what. They will win the league whilst we have 'he will be class'! 'i wouldn't want him he's a messinary' 'what a bargain'

Flip it round for tex. He wanted out of shaktar, probably doesn't want to be there anymore. Got offered super wages hopefully makes the world cup and can still look to do a Willian and make it to the prem through future moves. Maybe he just thought f u shaktar owner. China were probably the only ones willing to buy him also, ed02 has already said the price will he higher in the summer.

You go to work tomorrow and someone calls and offers the same job and to treble your wages but you have to move to the Isle of Man. I'd already have my plane ticket.

(nothing wrong with isle of Man btw) but for any of us in England it's about remote and out of the way to suddenly move to.

04 Feb 2016 21:28:40
Last year I went to many games in Spain. Real v Liverpool for 40 euros. Real v Juve for 40 euros. Atletico v Real for 30 euros. Valencia v Barcelona for 35 euros and it goes on like this with me not spending more than 40 euros on tickets. At every Atletico game I went to, the fans were immense. These folks aren't rich folks by no means. The tickets are affordable for everyone. Cheaper tickets allow the fans who love the club to come and cheer there team on. In every part of the stadium the fans are shouting passionately. Every part of the stadium feels just like the Kop. How I long for the day teams reduce prices, maybe even they put a cap of ticket prices in sporting events in the UK? Maybe that will be the day every football stadium in the UK will be heard from miles away, just like they used to be. Just like the Vicente Calderon.

04 Feb 2016 21:52:14
Just look at the empty seats at televised championship games, on many levels the game is sadly dying and as a tv spectical a quiet stadium does kill the viewers enjoyment. The powers that be need to have a rethink before it's too late I think.

04 Feb 2016 22:08:41
If we had Atletico's wage bill (reported at £53M in 2013 versus our ~£140M, not sure what it is now), tickets would be less expensive as we'd likely be in the Championship. It's a difficult one, but any resolution needs to be across the league, not just at one club.

04 Feb 2016 21:18:14
Do you guys think that the Augsburg game will go to general sale!? Ta.

04 Feb 2016 21:38:28
I don't no but rumour has the club is going to start selling tickets for the last 13mins of games!

04 Feb 2016 22:15:44
Genius red j lol.

04 Feb 2016 21:02:26
Daveybootle, we haven't seen eye to eye on anything over the last few years but well said on your posts down the page lad, if your not from this city then you don't know how we operate.

Scousers stick together and fight.

04 Feb 2016 21:08:02
Nice one mate.

04 Feb 2016 22:28:43
Get a grip boys.

04 Feb 2016 22:46:28
Abo, of ye ma?

04 Feb 2016 23:10:51
Haha quality waro.

04 Feb 2016 20:53:54
So saw the article about ticket prices today and feel the need to chime in.
First the prices. Seeing the price of anything go up is frustrating, and season ticket holders really feel the pinch so I understand the need to protest etc. But, there is more to this than ticket prices. Firstly the costs to run any club are massive, and yes the new tv deal is going to inject more money, the reality here is that it's a business. And the club needs to be treated like one in order to compete in the future. There are many uncertainties with a breakaway league and such and the club needs to make sure it's able to compete not only on the pitch but as importantly on the world market.
Now fans being treated as customers well that's just bogus. That is where I'd be protesting. It's one thing to charge more money but another to do so in a manner that makes a fan feel worthless in the process.

04 Feb 2016 20:16:06
EMS, your a disgrace lad, and so are most of the posters on here, boo hoo, it's just another few hundred quid is it EMS, OK, I'll go the final and I will stay until the end of the Sunderland game if you pay me the few hundred quid extra, that's a trivial amount to you so you won't mind giving it to me will you? And when they put it up again I will contact you again for the balance.

Were protesting the way the fans are treated AGAIN, yet people like you will just accept whatever the powers that be give to them, well not us, we fight and will continue to fight to make the club see what's fare and right for its fans and not to treat us like " CUSTOMERS ", at burger king.

I've used this quote before but it's fitting, " to sin by silence makes cowards out of men ", read that quote and try and understand it, and you might just see its people like us who fight for supporters rights and make it a fairer and better club for the future.

Oh and by the way EMS, word of advice either don't boo or learn to duck because I know for a fact what will happen if you do, trust me and that's advice designed to help you out.

04 Feb 2016 20:40:39
I agree waro. I personally could pay that price but I rarely get the the time to go to games and also I'm aware of the fact a lot of supporters can't afford that especially consistently.
I said below waro instead of the club punishing the ssupporters, the club should look internally at the average players on huge salarys on our books. That's one way to save costs!

04 Feb 2016 20:41:36
Someone buy waro a pint 🍻.

04 Feb 2016 20:55:27
I haven't posted on here in a long time, but decided to check the site today to see if the message was being spread about the walk out, and I can't believe some of the posts I have seen about it. Talk about failing to understand the point. The protest is aimed to help all fans, how can anybody be against that? I have never felt so disconnected from the club, and reading the views on here, from fellow supporters. The club once reflected everything great about the people and the city of Liverpool and became world famous because of it, but we are fast becoming like the rest and this may well be the final nail in the coffin.

04 Feb 2016 20:58:59
Maybe EMS would be happy enough to pay the extra money because it would mean him having a season ticket that are so hard to come by. Waro has his a doesn't want to pay more for it. There are 2 sides to every debate. It certainly doesn't make anyone a disgrace because he has a difference of opinion. Hyperbole as usual.

04 Feb 2016 20:50:30
Correct on both posts big Al, hahahaha.

04 Feb 2016 21:20:20
Smithy excellent post mate, my sentiment exactly.

04 Feb 2016 21:29:43
but we are fast becoming like the rest and this may well be the final nail in the coffin. Quote from above

Maybe that's the problem with a lot of fans the rest have far surpassed us and we choose to live in the past football has moved forward its a business and we need to compete with our rivals because the teams we should be competing with are just a lot better than us in every aspect of football.

04 Feb 2016 22:00:24
Thing is, we can afford it yes. But others can't. The teenagers that make all the Damn noise are being priced out and Anfield is full of old codgers like us.

04 Feb 2016 22:13:55
Crokie, I don't see your point. The club ripping the fans off to gain an extra 2 million will not allow us to 'compete', it is just them showing they do not care about the supporters in any way. I agree that our home support is now very poor, but our usual rivals for the top 4 have big issues with the atmosphere at home games; Arsenal, United, City, Chelsea and Spurs are all incredibly quiet at home too, so it isn't really a place we are behind on, we are unfortunately becoming like the rest, as everything that makes us unique is being removed, including most importantly the heartbeat of the club, the local fans. If we take this idea of football clubs being businesses, which I don't agree with by the way, then the best ran business would be Bayern Munich, who charge fans considerably less than we do, and have no issues with competing.

04 Feb 2016 20:03:39
My view about the tickets as a non season ticket holder:

I think that it is easy to see (and not in the first time) the gap between the oweners' (very American) approach to LFC and that of the fans. I am pretty sure that when saying they want to turn the fans into customers the owners implied (in their mind anyway) some kind of upgrade. Something along the lines of unlike fans, customer deserve quality service and all that. Of course British football fans don't want to be 'customers' they want to be fans.

If British fans would have behaved like customers, the stadium would be half empty every other game given how poor we play in the last two years, especially at home. And this is something that the oweners forgot when talking about 'customers'. Customers want some valuen for their money and that value comes in the way of performance and results. It may not be entirely the oweners fault that we have been so poor, but they are still the people who sell the product. You could at least expect them to wait until something agood happens at Enfield or at Enfield south for that matter before announcing the tickets increase. Not after a very poor performance against Leiscester.

That said, at the moment the demand for LFC tickets is so high and all the matches in all competitions are sold out so it is not surprising the owners don't care too much about protest. They are business people and as long as there is demand they can do whatever they want without being affected by protest.

Final point, I don't know how many people will walk out at the 77 minutes but I can promise you that there will not be even one person of all the tens of thousands LFC supporters int he league cup who will not go to the game if they have tickets. None of them is that idiot. So this is quite an empty threat.

04 Feb 2016 19:46:46
No if the club got the likes of. Milner, sktrl off the books, the prays wouldn't have to go up on the main stand. We have players at the club vastly overpaid who aren't even good enough and yet again the fans plug the bill.
Milner is earning close to 170k a week?! . Club should be looking at other areas instead of the fans.
It's alright saying pay huge wages for top players but we are paying high wages to bang average players who aren't helping us win the. league or get into the champions league.

04 Feb 2016 19:55:10
Exactly. Sadly though. The protests will do h all and we'll still pay more money.

04 Feb 2016 19:59:47
Completely fine with that argument. If the supporters are willing for the club to spend less in wages/ transfers/ expansions/ etc. in order to have cheaper tickets, then fair enough, with the understanding that that may well come the cost of finishing lower in the table than we already are. I don't know that that is in the best interests of the club as an entity, but perhaps for locals that would be preferable?

Not judging, just curious as a complete outside- would the people of Liverpool prefer being able to go to a game for far cheaper and with better atmosphere, but being say lower mid table or less atmosphere, more expensive tickets, but playing in Europe? I know it's not nearly so binary (see Leicester as an example) and ideally you accomplish results and supporter happiness, but in general what would people that support say the SoS prefer? I suspect the former?

04 Feb 2016 20:21:19
There has to be a balance RDL. You can't tell me buying Milner, Benteke, Carroll, Aquillani has helped our league positions.
Rather than splurging supporters cash on masses of mediocre players I'd rather the spending was done more cautiously.

04 Feb 2016 20:46:00
Agreed, Ron, but then protest that is my point. Protest and have discussions with how much the club is spending ineffectively- this is likely to have broader appeal and is something FSG would likely agree with. As of May 2014, the club owed UKSV about £1,500 per seat at Anfield and I suspect the owners would also prefer not to have loaned that out and it's only gone up with the expansion costs.

I would imagine when the club sat down to develop a ticket price model for 16/ 17 they probably had very elaborate financial models set out. Spend this much here, get this much back from there and the determination was made that the changes made to ticket prices were necessary for solvency based on projected costs. If the models turn out to be fundamentally broken to the positive, then I expect FSG will make changes. Bear in mind that many prices have gone down as well- I think the intention was to charge day trippers and out of towers like myself more, locals and youngsters less. They may have made a hash of the percentages for each, but I really do think they did this in the spirit of compromise and continually giving the owners grief for trying to run the club sustainably is the stick option when the carrot might be preferred.

04 Feb 2016 19:29:09
If your that bothered about ticket prices going up then the solution is simple:
Don't buy a ticket.

04 Feb 2016 19:45:16
Well mikey if everyone had that attitude the stadium would be empty. What an immature reply to a guy with a valid point.

04 Feb 2016 20:00:09
I'd buy a ticket at £77 if I wanted to go :) I'm sure plenty of others would too. Why not think of it as "if the club set up a fund where we could donate to to pay for transfers I'd send in £20 and I everyone else did we'd buy messi" lots of people have suggested such a thing before that's what I'd think of it as because it's not going in the owners pockets because they're making losses mainly.

04 Feb 2016 20:16:36
Messi? We already pay the highest 'model' price for tickets in the premier league and we've not signed anyone decent in ages. We just pay massive wages to the likes of Milner who has never been good and give new contracts with more money to injured players like Sturridge 👍🏼.

04 Feb 2016 18:57:12
My take on the ticket prices, the club is hemorrhaging money, through supporting managers (some could say wrongly), they then went and got the man we all craved which wasn't cheap so they needed to make it back somewhere. However, that hasn't pleased the fans (understandably) . I'm with EMS I don't agree with the walkout, I think it should be either before or after, walking out on 77 only affects the team. The other issue is if 1 person stops going because of the price, there will be another ten willing to pay it. The solution, probably meeting in the middle. But my question is to the eds, how do the German clubs in particular manage to keep tickets low?

04 Feb 2016 19:48:14
Dortmund's wage bill is roughly half ours. That certainly helps make ticket prices a bit less expensive.

04 Feb 2016 18:52:54
I've been thinking while reading through the posts regarding the proposed walk out on Saturday. I was against it and so where many others but if you look at those for compared to those against, most against I think are fans like me that aren't Anfield locals that don't go to every game, aren't season ticket holders year on year and those that are for are mostly those fans. Maybe if I was shelling money out week in week out I would feel differently. I am there on Saturday but will not be leaving after 77 mins but I will support those who do. I still don't think its the way to go but realise something has to be done.

04 Feb 2016 17:58:04
As much as I don't blame players for wanting more money, I'm so glad we didn't sign the Brazilian lad.

It's a joke these players going to China, and it reflects on their mentality.

None of them are worth a carrot.

04 Feb 2016 18:10:54
has he actually signed for them? he wanted to boost credentials for his Brazilian place, he won't do that in china.

04 Feb 2016 18:24:53
Why is players going to China a joke Davey? Is it because you don't think China is a stellar enough footballing platform to showcase their talents or is it because you think they are mercenaries? If that's the case shouldn't you be lambasting the players that sign for City above other teams because they pay the most. I think your comments are cringeworthy. If someone wants to protect their financial future who are we to criticize? I'm sure if a Chinese club offered you £250,000 a week to play football you would think long and hard about it. I know I would. If Texeira wants to go and live in China, learn a new language, appreciate a different culture, have a cosmic life experience and get paid hollywood wages while he's out there then good luck to him. So Davey don't hate, congratulate.

04 Feb 2016 18:32:24
spot on davey i am convinced players see liverpool as a soft touch were they just want to get paid and don't care if they play enrique is a good example of they type of player we have been buying we put them on money no other club would pay.

04 Feb 2016 18:33:46
It's a job for gods sake, if someone offered you more money to do the same job wouldn't you do it?

Besides he will win more in China than with us!

04 Feb 2016 18:45:13
No, I wouldn't, as it would be like playing footie with my sons mates.

No professional should want to play at that standard.

04 Feb 2016 18:56:51
That's like saying Hey take this job we'll offer you more money, but it'll be a lower position and you'll ruin any credibility and career prospects you once had when you take the job.

Make's no sense to me.

04 Feb 2016 18:56:51
That's like saying Hey take this job we'll offer you more money, but it'll be a lower position and you'll ruin any credibility and career prospects you once had when you take the job.

Make's no sense to me.

04 Feb 2016 17:02:46
Sorry I don't understand the logic of walking out after 77 mins, I am going on Sat and won't be walking out we should be there to support the team until the end, the club as already taken our money so the walkout will do nothing.

04 Feb 2016 17:59:42
Well said.

04 Feb 2016 18:10:16
Not well said at all!

04 Feb 2016 18:50:33
He has a point. You've paid the money. Why not just go for the whole game lol.

04 Feb 2016 18:58:50
Because there making mugs of us with the Tv money coming they don't to rise ticket prices.

04 Feb 2016 18:58:50
Because there making mugs of us with the Tv money coming they don't to rise ticket prices.

04 Feb 2016 19:20:36
Yeah, like walking out on the team will defo fix the problem. NONSENSE! If you`re going to walk out on the team in it`s most difficult time at the moment, then DON`T COME AT ALL! With fans like that, who needs opposing fans sticking the boot in? At least, them I can understand why they give us grief.

04 Feb 2016 19:39:41
Curious, what have the rises been? What's the average price per increase per ticket?

04 Feb 2016 16:30:31
Just a quick note as i'm not sure Its been posted
Tex, Ward and Caulker all added to the Europa squad list, Enrique is out, Flanno not added (Quite surprised at that one but can't add em all)

04 Feb 2016 17:19:53
Klopp may be worried about Flanno just coming back from a lengthy lay off and too many games may be detrimental to his progress. He may be kept for league games.

04 Feb 2016 16:22:17
Hey Eds 001 and 002. It seems everyone is talking about this monster TV deal in terms of revenue. Please can one of you breakdown the figures that each club in the Premiership will receive? If we can't talk about money I'll understand.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs will get different amounts based on several factors (league position, number of home games shown, timing of games, broadcaster of games) so I can't answer that. As a guide, last season the highest paid club (Chelsea) got £100M from the television rights and the lowest (QPR) around £65M. Next season will see the highest paid club receive something like £150M and the lowest paid something like £100M. As a broad brush guide, last season Liverpool were paid something like £92M and if they achieve the same next season they will get around £135M.}

04 Feb 2016 17:03:51
Wow mind boggling stuff thanks Eds 002. So potentially we could be £53 million pounds better off than last season. That's another Benteke and an Adam Lallana. Happy days!

04 Feb 2016 17:15:03
£43 million I think.

{Ed001's Note - he can't count bless him.}

04 Feb 2016 17:18:43
Brenda's dentist needs to head back to school me thinks.

04 Feb 2016 18:00:43
Cheeky buggers. Grant you I am getting on a bit and all those raves in the 90's are catching up on me. 😂.

{Ed001's Note - you were going to raves in your 60s?}

04 Feb 2016 18:13:53
Ed's 001 your on form today Mister. Then again your mother said the same thing to me this morning.

{Ed001's Note - ah the old mother one, that's ok she must be about your age, so you will make a lovely couple.}

04 Feb 2016 18:27:09
I'm actually older mate. But I try my best which she appreciates!

04 Feb 2016 19:03:21
Well that's what she tells you mate 😉.

04 Feb 2016 19:03:21
Well that's what she tells you mate 😉.

04 Feb 2016 15:38:43
Seeing posts online moaning about the owners, calling for protests too get them out. All i can say is what a bunch of idiotic pathetic fans we have. All this because they have raised the tickets. they've given us kwnny when we asked, klopp when we asked, spent over 300m on transfers, spent on money on stadium upgrade and now because they want some money back fans are going mad. there's a reason I've lost interest in football and its the stupidity of fans. Rant over.

04 Feb 2016 16:05:01
"Want some money back". don't be daft. When Fsg sell up they will walk away with a considerable profit. Make no mistake about that.

04 Feb 2016 16:08:08
My position:

-I will be at the match, I will be designated driver so we will not be leaving early 😄
-I disagree with elevating ticket prices, it erodes the soul of the club.
- I disagree with a walkout, the team and the manager deserve our support and that is sacrosanct IMO.

I would love the club to take the lead and reduce ticket prices and cut its cloth accordingly. If that means we don't sign anymore Benteke's or Carroll's or Aquillani's then I'm fine with that.

04 Feb 2016 16:22:50
I don't understand how fsg will make a profit when they've put their own money into the club so many times with no return?

04 Feb 2016 16:29:32
Nobody likes rises in ticket prices the same as I can't for the life of me see why a club shirt costs more than £50 but does it stop me buying merchandise? No. I am at the Sunderland game but am not a season ticket holder and do not get to as many games as I would like and I can understand working fans frustrations at prices but unfortunately money is a big part of the sport nowadays. If the club weren't spending then I could understand it more but they are, and spent heavily. I just fail to see what good these protests would do. Hurt the club if you have to, not the team. Why not hire a plane to fly a banner? Lol.

{Ed002's Note - The shirt prices are not set by Liverpool and they do not profit too much on them.}

04 Feb 2016 16:41:15
We been selling are best players since there's owners come in Torres 50 mil sterling 50 mil and Suarez 75 mil that's 175 mil naver mind the over sells on players. they get the TV money . Look at Arsenal the true fans can't get to the game because there tickets prices are so high and this will happen to us . Fsg don't care there only care about the money.

04 Feb 2016 17:00:35
Wait and see Anonymous Woolback.

04 Feb 2016 18:22:03
Ed002- I was just using the price of a T-shirt as an example of unfair over pricing in the game.

04 Feb 2016 19:07:04
Selling the best players. All three wanted too leave and all three forced their way out. Not Fsgs fault there.

04 Feb 2016 19:07:04
Selling the best players. All three wanted too leave and all three forced their way out. Not Fsgs fault there.

04 Feb 2016 13:43:37
This mass walkout planned for this Saturday on the 77th minute; if there is anyone on here planning on doing this, I urge you to please rethink.

This is a very important game for us. A must win game to keep us in touching distance with the other European football hopefuls. This potential walkout is going to do nothing except distract the players.

And as for buying Wembley tickets and not attending?! seriously? talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face! You think that is standing up for the fans? By giving the billionaires the money anyway and then not even getting your moneys worth? Taking a seat away from a fan desperate to see his club play?

Here's a better idea. This weekend, stay behind after the game for an additional 77 minutes. Make a point that if they are going to charge extra you're going to stay for longer. That will cost the club more money as they'll have to pay security and ground staff overtime. Use your heads you bunch of petulant muppets. This is absolutely pathetic behaviour from a bunch of xenophobic so called adults who hate our owners simply for being American.

04 Feb 2016 13:50:20
Sorry EMS, disagreed in error! There are so many fans that can't get tickets and here we have people essentially throwing them away.

04 Feb 2016 13:51:25
I would be very surprised if there was even enough of them for the commentators to notice what they are trying to do.

04 Feb 2016 13:55:35
Got to be honest EMS I like the idea of the additional 77 minutes protest.

Much more ideal than a walkout.

04 Feb 2016 14:01:14
It worked for newcastle - and only a few walked out.

04 Feb 2016 14:08:23
Half the fans leave about then every week anyway lol.

04 Feb 2016 14:09:44
At least we will be able to see who Waro is on the telly, as I imagine he will be the only leaving the stadium on 77 minutes.

04 Feb 2016 14:16:10
No worries Swishcleaner. I don't care even if people deliberately click disagree. I just hope this changes a few peoples minds. I want what's best for the team. Staying late would probably cost the club a few extra thousand quid but that's pocket change to FSG. But it would make a point without the risk of any detrimental effects on the players.

I genuinely don't care about the prices going up. If I was a regular and I had to sacrifice a couple of pints a week because ticket prices had increased, It still wouldn't bother me. I always buy my shirts from the official club store or website even though they charge more purely because it means the club will get the retailers cut. The more money we pay into the club, the more stable they will be financially. All I want in return is something to cheer about and entertainment. They gave us a bigger stadium so more fans can watch us play every week and in return we can help them pay for it. Welcome to modern football! You can't expect to receive if you're not willing to give. Some people are just being bitter and petulant and I'm quite frankly embarrassed to be associated with them.

The fans need to accept that football is a business. It always has been. The amount of money in the game now and the competition at the top means that they have to be ran more efficiently from the clubs perspective now though. Like it or not, but we are customers. The club provide a product, and we pay for said product. Look up the definition of a customer. We all are, and always have been customers. As the product becomes more expensive to produce, the price paid by the customers simply has to increase. Or we could just let the clubs running costs slowly plunge it into liquidation? Wake up, smell the coffee, and if you're willing to pay for it you can drink it.

This all comes down to the elitist fans thinking they should get privileges over the so called 'day trippers'. If you can't afford to go every week, here's an idea; don't. Let somebody else have the opportunity to watch their team play. Just because you were born and bred in Liverpool doesn't mean you get first dibs and shouldn't have to pay the going rate. I can't even afford to go once a month but you didn't see me walking out last year when I got the chance to go!

What these deserters are essentially doing is going into a shop, refusing to pay £2.50 for the cornflakes, paying it anyway, and then only eating 77% of the box before throwing it away. Well done mate, I'm sure the guy who sold you it is losing so much sleep.

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but you are missing the point. Ticket prices are no longer that important financially to the club, not with the monster TV deal. Ticket prices being increased is greed, as Leicester have shown you don't need to spend massively to compete at the top end. They spend 15k a home game just putting those clappers on the seats. They put a free bottle of beer on every seat for the New Year. They have ambition and want to win, but they are not doing it by exploiting the fans.}

04 Feb 2016 15:01:53
EMS, xenophobia! Seriously, I couldn't care less were our owners are from as long as they have the fans and the club's best interests at heart.

And for the people down the page who want my Wembley ticket, that's exactly why were buying them and not going, because if we simply chose not to attend in protest, there's always people like you who are willing to break solidarity and pick the bones out of the remaining tickets that are left.

And here's a question, if I'm now a customer and not a fan, can ask FSG for a full refund at the end of the season if I'm not satisfied with the product they're providing? Think I know the answer to that!

Thank you ED001 for your support, top man. The rest of you, hang your heads in shame.

04 Feb 2016 15:05:27
Ed001 have you seen the price changes? They've redistributed the costs of tickets. The better seats now cost more, the worst seats cost less, kids get in cheaper and schools get free tickets.

The amount of revenue gained from ticket sales is probably barely changing. They've just made the seating costs reflect the quality of the seat you're getting.

Its just a classic case of a consumer pushing their luck to get more out of their money with no regards to how much deficit the supplier is running at. Prime example is milk. Dairy farmers plunged in to debt because consumers won't pay to cover the running costs.

The only greed I can see is from the Liverpool fans with the best seats who don't want to pay more, even if it means younger adults, children and people with rubbish seats can pay less.

Our owners have poured millions into this club just to keep it affloat. As you just said, almost nothing is made from ticket sales so this has nothing to do with lining the owners pockets. If they wanted to do that they'd have said no to Rodgers last summer instead of giving him £100m to spend!

{Ed001's Note - I never said almost nothing is made from them, I was saying what is taken is of very little comparative value. Why not just freeze the more expensive tickets and drop the price of the cheaper ones?}

04 Feb 2016 15:06:49
Leicester is a one off ed, let's be honest. It won't be happening for another 20/ 30 years.

{Ed001's Note - Arsenal have been competing for years spending very little, so not sure that holds true.}

04 Feb 2016 15:09:49
I think if the rest of us actually stood a chance of getting tickets I could sympathise with you more. As someone who only rarely gets to go the games, I don't suppose I can really make a valid argument. But I just can't see a few fans walking out making the difference as, like you said yourself, if the owners lose a few hundred customers, there are plenty more willing to step into their shoes.

04 Feb 2016 15:21:08
Don't agree EMS, working class fans are being priced out of what used to be a working class game by a thirst for profit. If fans don't make some sort of protest, something to try and change the course of the club and its greed, then who else will? Paying fans (who are paying extortionate prices) have a right to protest and I support them doing so. Do I think it will make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things? No. But its a principle thing, the fans are morally right here - the club is morally wrong.

04 Feb 2016 15:29:59
Ed001 the most expensive tickets have gone up by about £10. That's about £300 a year assuming you buy the best seats at one off prices every week and we have long cup runs to get roughly 30 home games a season. 2/ 3rds of season tickets have been frozen. Local fans, children and young adults get cheaper/ prioritised seats.

I would bet my car that these ticket increses won't cost anybody more than £200 a year. Unless somebody is going every week without a season ticket and paying for the best seats every time. In which case I want to know; how are they getting the best seats every week?!

It's just a massive over reaction from people with not even a basic understanding of money or who don't know the actual details of the ticket changes. For some it is just a great chance to legitimise their hatred of our owners and brain wash others into thinking they're mistreating the club.

Waro you never gave them a chance from the day they came in. People just saw more Americans and jumped to conclusions. They never stood a chance at winning you over despite investing more money than any other club owner in England during their 5 tenure. I think you post some excellet stuff mate but it's one gell of a contradiction to say you support Klopp this morning and then 30 minutes later say you're going to walk out on his team. FSG aren't the ones in the ground and your protests will have no affect on ticket prices. Only on the games you abandon.

{Ed001's Note - I just think it is a difference between those who have things handed to them on a plate and those of us who know what it is like to have nothing and have to truly work for everything. It is not an over reaction, it might be the wrong reaction, I don't know, but a stand should have been taken many years ago on ticket prices.}

04 Feb 2016 15:44:31
This is what happens when a football club becomes a business. I don't think your protest will make a difference Waro. i'm not saying do nothing but think of something different. Maybe a large Banner (like the ones you see floating across the kop) that would possibly be caught by TV cameras?

04 Feb 2016 15:44:53
Seano the morally correct thing to do would be not to pay the prices if you do not agree with them not with-hold your tickets from others who want to go. I'm sure their are plenty of people who will pay the prices being asked. So if you don't want to, get out the way and stop forcing empty seats in some sort of desperate attempt to become martyrs.

I just fail to see why people are kicking off about £100-300 a year extra. Just cut out a pack of ciggys and a pint a week or skip your takeaway. Job done. You can save your life whilst you go to the games.

I'd love to go to every game. And yet people lucky enough to do just that are going to walk out or not turn up because they have to pay a little extra? Cry me a river! Whilst I stream the game on a laggy server, 200 miles away, on a feed so pixalated Henderson looks like a potato, and Arabic commentators scream "Gooalazoooooo" I'll think of you poor souls in Anfield who had to set aside an extra tenner to be there.

04 Feb 2016 15:46:55
Well I know 2 people who won't be leaving on 77 mins.

04 Feb 2016 16:09:11
Anyway, it doesn't matter, Ed001 said we can use his box!

04 Feb 2016 16:09:13
Looking quickly at other sides, Spurs are increasing their tickets by average 2% next year, United and Arsenal have frozen theirs. The only club I could find reducing prices is West Ham, but they have extenuating circumstances that allow for it. LFC could have done snorting different, but relative to others it would have been a decrease in revenue at a time when our costs are higher than ever. Irony for me is that for every £1 spent roughly £.58 goes to the club's wage bill, so the ones most directly taking your money are the players and their expensive toys, not FSG who to the best of my knowledge have never taken anything from the club.

04 Feb 2016 16:13:24
Make that 4 Ron. My mate has literally just messaged me saying he's got a spare ticket I can have for £55. So I'll be walking out on the 55th minute! ;)

Joking of course, but I will certainly be booing those who leave on the 77th minute.

04 Feb 2016 16:15:47
EMS, you may not like this post either but, scousers have this in built suspicion of everything and everyone, that's why we very rarely get taken to the cleaners, and we definitely won't take being mugged off, and that's what's happening here and we won't stand for it and that's the plain and simply truth. With regards to your klopp reference mate, I'm sorry but that is just a sad conciquence of what these owners are pushing us to, what do we do bend over? No sorry, not happening and the reason I was suspicious from day one is now being bourne out IMO! Standing up for something you think is wrong and unfair is ingrained in us, hence the great great people who stood up to the authorities and would never accept the lies of Hillsborough.

04 Feb 2016 16:30:56
Eh have I missed something, from 2003 to 2008 I used to travel from newcastle to liverpool with the northeast supporters club the spirit of shankly. The ticket prices then was only 36 quid. Even with the travel I still was only paying 70 max which was cheaper than a ticket only from most other top prem clubs.
Ave just rang the lad that runs the supporters club and can still get a ticket cheaper than 45 quid, I honestly cannot see the problem paying that for a ticket.

04 Feb 2016 15:57:55
Ed001 it is unfortunate but prices are dictated by supply and demand. There are millions of people who want tickets and only 45,400 seats.

You can say it's morally wrong to increase the prices and perhaps it is. But it's also morally wrong to expect other people to pay the same amount as you for worse seats or if they are kids/ students. I just don't know why those 45,400 people with tickets expect the support or sympathy of the millions of us too far away or too poor to attend regularly in a walk out. I will not support it, condone it, or pretend I agree with it. It's pathetic and smacks of a toddler having a tantrum because his mummy gave him a choc ice instead of a cornetto.

{Ed001's Note - really think you are missing the point, no one is expecting that so why do you keep referring to that nonsense?}

04 Feb 2016 18:06:11
Just curious how anyone thinks the owners don't care about the fans. They she'll out millions upon millions to try and field a winning team. Even if that is so they can sell for a profit, it still benefits the fans. Ticket prices go up every year over here for our 4 major sports. And I am priced out of them as well. But I understand it is a business, and in order for my teams to remain competitive prices go up. My only complaint about the costs of attending a game here (usa) is the mark ups on beer and soda. Parking is a little stupid as well. And I hope one day to be able to come to Anfield with my boys and pay whatever to see a match.

{Ed001's Note - surely the point is that it should be like the Bundesliga and put limits on ticket prices, so that everyone can be competitive without this ridiculous 'it's a business' nonsense being spouted. They are sporting CLUBS, there should be no business, no ltd companies etc involved.}

04 Feb 2016 18:34:39
I think if you're going to put limits on ticket prices, you need to also take out the number of season tickets. This allows your thompson holidays etc to take the piss even more charging £200+ for a ticket in the rafters or behind a pillar. Quite frankly I've thought season tickets at the bigger clubs have been redundant for about 20 years.

04 Feb 2016 16:56:17
Some of you just don't get why regular supporters are up in arms. Once a year "fans" who are saying the rise is insignificant are not paying £1,000 for a season ticket plus away games, cup games and so on. The time has come to say enough is enough.

The additional revenue from TV rights is 71% and each club will make a minimum of £85 million give or take. Factor in 8,500 extra seats 50% of which are corporate, naming rights for the new stand and additional revenue from merchandise etc., the additional revenue for the club is phenomenal so to "squeeze" an additional £2 million a year from match day supporters is greed, pure and simple.

This is a fantastic opportunity for the club to give something back to supporters and reduce ticket prices not raise them. The additional TV money alone would cover the full seasons league gate receipts of circa £35 million a season. £2 million to LFC is nothing, it is about a third of Sturridge's pay packet or £12.5 million less than we spent on agents fees leeching money off the club, so I will also be leaving in the 77th minute.

Interest is gathering pace locally so people may get a surprise on Saturday with how disgusted the regular supporters are. Those moaning about not getting tickets due to tickets being handed down through the generations need to get a grip. All the home games in the league cup went to general sale and probably cost a total of £60 for the 3 games so it would be interesting to see how many of you took the opportunity to come up and see the Reds!

04 Feb 2016 11:53:34
I'm sure this may have been mentioned before.

It goes without saying that we are struggling for goals in certain games. Benteke is not doing the business, whether it be down to quality, confidence, or what.

People say that Sinclair is a good player, you could tell by his finish in the Exeter game that he is a good finisher, as it was placed in the corner with composure rather than just been thrashed at. Apparently we will be kicking ourselves if he leaves, and wants to leave / won't sign a new contract because of lack of opportunities. Why don't we give the lad a chance and see what happens, it can't be any worse than the current striking situation. if he has a bad attitude, it is probably down to the fact that as a team we couldn't score in a brothel and he isn't getting a sniff. 2 lots of 90 mins, and I bet he starts doing the job, but will probably never know.

On Sakho again, sorry, I just do not get it. Great guy. Awful defender.

04 Feb 2016 12:13:32
TBH If I was klopp, I would play Ibe close to Firmino and drop Milner and Lallana from anything on the pitch. Both of them would never score goals. I would also play Ojo as the out and out winger which the kid actually is rather than any CM or ACM on the flanks.

04 Feb 2016 12:42:53
Totally agree with the Sakho comment! He is terrible.

04 Feb 2016 13:37:25
Sakho are best CB at the club .

04 Feb 2016 13:40:19
You couldn't make it up. You say he is a good manager but now you are telling him how to pick the team.

04 Feb 2016 14:26:49
Redtim17 - Sakho best defender at the club, yeh, and that says it all doesn't it.

04 Feb 2016 15:48:28
Sakho send to need a few games to readjust his radar after a layoff.
He'll be ok 😎.

04 Feb 2016 11:45:54
Eds,

I wonder if you can offer any thoughts regarding Liverpool's repeated struggles in developing and particularly purchasing talented players to strengthen the first team and match day squad. Other than Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho we have had relatively few successful purchases in recent years (it is maybe too soon to make judgements on the likes of Firmino at this time who appears to be coming into form recently) . My understanding is that FSG requested a review to be conducted last year regarding how the club operates. As an interested supporter it appears to me (and I may be wrong) that we struggle to recruit talented players that are suited to our desired playing style at the right price (ie we over paid for Firmino by all accounts even if he does meet other requirements) . This can only be creating further damage to the already challenging financial circumstances the club has been in over recent years as we are not getting the desired 'bang for our buck'. I would have expected the review to have highlighted deficiencies in this area and recommended measures to overcome them.

Do you believe that the club has an issue in this regard?

Do you believe that the club recognizes that it has an issue that needs to be solved?

Are you aware of any steps that are being taken by the club to resolve such issues?

It seems to be that we keep repeating similar mistakes which is concerning and needs to stop.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Liverpool has done very well with regards to getting the players the club wants. So I do not see any issue. (2) I doubt that the club sees it is an issue. (3) There is no issue.}

04 Feb 2016 12:29:52
Thanks for the response Ed002.

There appears to be an issue to me, but of course I am not the club and this may only 'appear' to be the case.

I guess the crux of my perceived issue is really down to the scouting team and identification of types of players or actual individual players that the club perceives will strengthen its playing staff and help the club to achieve its goals and objectives.

From my external and concerned supporter viewpoint there appears to be a disconnect, yet from your response it seems that the club is relatively happy with how it is conducting its business. I would have thought that at some point somebody within LFC must sit down and look at the amount of money that has been pumped into transfer dealings over the past few years and try to analyse whether results on the pitch and in competitions have provided an appropriate return on the investment made. If it is identified that this is not the case then there is an issue to be tackled.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Liverpool has already made extensive changes to the scouting system and they are not going to do so again. (b) The club has failed in all attempts to but success and that is one of the reasons the club has such significant debt.}

04 Feb 2016 11:45:54
Eds,

I wonder if you can offer any thoughts regarding Liverpool's repeated struggles in developing and particularly purchasing talented players to strengthen the first team and match day squad. Other than Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho we have had relatively few successful purchases in recent years (it is maybe too soon to make judgements on the likes of Firmino at this time who appears to be coming into form recently) . My understanding is that FSG requested a review to be conducted last year regarding how the club operates. As an interested supporter it appears to me (and I may be wrong) that we struggle to recruit talented players that are suited to our desired playing style at the right price (ie we over paid for Firmino by all accounts even if he does meet other requirements) . This can only be creating further damage to the already challenging financial circumstances the club has been in over recent years as we are not getting the desired 'bang for our buck'. I would have expected the review to have highlighted deficiencies in this area and recommended measures to overcome them.

Do you believe that the club has an issue in this regard?

Do you believe that the club recognizes that it has an issue that needs to be solved?

Are you aware of any steps that are being taken by the club to resolve such issues?

It seems to be that we keep repeating similar mistakes which is concerning and needs to stop.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Liverpool has done very well with regards to getting the players the club wants. So I do not see any issue. (2) I doubt that the club sees it is an issue. (3) There is no issue.}

04 Feb 2016 10:53:33
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Brawl Bans Handed Out, Neville Refuses To Resign As His Valencia Player Receives Standing Ovation From Barcelona Fans Plus More

04 Feb 2016 14:09:34
That fake twitter followers is a bit of a random thing ed!

{Ed001's Note - yeah I know, I didn't know what to make of it myself. I don't get what it means or anything, but was hoping someone might be able to explain.}

04 Feb 2016 16:42:14
There are companies that will generate social media followers, 100k twitter followers here, 80k Facebook likes there. Whoever pays for it then gets to boast about their following as a form of advertising.

04 Feb 2016 00:05:58
Ed002.got a question for you. I month or so back I asked you a question regarding contracts due to my lack of familiarity with EPL contracts vs american football. I would like to follow up on this if you have a moment. You educated me about the ability to cut a player at anytime but how clubs have to pay out the contract, fees, etc. Having said that, who do you see the club attempting to purge consideri. g our real finances? I see everyone calling for Benteke and Milners head but would it not be hard to ditch them w/ o coughing up major $$$. Unless I misunderstood something from our earlier discussing clearing out players is not really easy thing to do. Also, if a player is cut aND a new team picks him up does the original team still have the same financial obligations? Thanks in advance for your response, it helps me think through the situation rationally versus relying on emotions or having un realistic expectations.

{Ed002's Note - The contracts of the likes of Milner and Benteke are not going to be terminated by Liverpool. If they were to do it then the player would be due all wages, fees and bonuses due until the end of his contract and then could become a free agent. In the summer the player could negotiate his own signing on fee and join another side. It would be financial suicide for the club Pete.}

04 Feb 2016 09:39:26
One of the biggest criticism of Rodgers was that he didn't have a plan B. My opinion of Klopps plan B is concede a few goals then bring on Benteke for the last 10 minutes. Where is the tactical maestro we were expecting.

{Ed001's Note - you really can't be this clueless. What is he meant to do with this team that was left him by Bodgers? At least he has come up with a Plan B, which is more than your hero ever managed with the same players. Are you really a Liverpool fan? Because not once have you shown a single bit of support for the club. All you do worship the failure that we sacked for being a failure, while bitching at the club you claim to support for not putting up with the failure.}

04 Feb 2016 10:00:49
There is no Plan B. Klopp is relying all his cards on Firmino to pull the rabbit out from the hat just like Brendan playing Sterling up the top. Klopp is no exception there. He has a striker at his disposal who by some means isn't delivering. Where is the motivation?
The players have remained the same as they were under Rodgers. And I don't rate Rodgers myself.
We are conceding goals pretty much at the same rate as we were under Rodgers.

{Ed001's Note - but there is a plan b, he brings on Benteke. Are you actually watching our games?}

04 Feb 2016 10:09:43
really plan B? nobody has a plan B. what do you expect? execute 5 plans in 90 minutes? Mr you are wrong the major criticism of Rodgers was his plan A was found out in the league and he wasnt ready to change that plan A and bring in a new plan. you can't expect plan B or C to bail yourself out when you have an already found out, non working, weak ass plan A. and in addition he used to defend it by excellent English words like character tenacity motivation death by football etc etc. and don't even get me started about the bunch of rubbish he signed at absolute gold prices that might haunt our club for a few years. can you at all fathom that we spent close too 200 million under Rodgers and yet still require a world class keeper, a leader in defense, a solid defensive Mid, at least one quality winger and a striker ( almost a new team)

04 Feb 2016 10:19:31
Brendan did throw Balotelli in search of something. Klopp is playing a dangerous game waiting for Sturridge to start delivering pretty much the case with Brendan who relied on individual ability than any kind of game plan.
What is the excuse of picking up the same players week in week out? This page would have eaten brendan alive had he picked Migs and Milner week in week out.
Who is picking Migs over Ward?

There are flaws and anyone who couldn't see are either delude or pretending themselves.

I completely agree with Ed02. This isn't German league. We play with the body than feet here in England. I hope he realises it quickly.

Not rant just an observation.

04 Feb 2016 10:23:22
Akshit

The player he bought all were welcomed by both arms on this page and not to mention they all had a fantastic season with their previous clubs.

04 Feb 2016 10:48:56
transition- i am not sure they were welcomed by all. many people had doubts about them you can dig into archives, Esp for the prices they were bought at. and what fantastic seasons? you buy players that suit your system, would thrive in it and most importantly deliver it it not because they had a fantastic season under some manager for some club. that is what is wrong with this club buying mediocre players because they had a fantastic season with previous club. and tbh what fantastic season did either of the players we signed had? none of their clubs won anything. they just had a regular season. all their previous clubs finished near about mid-table really! if with 200 million to spend you are buying midtable stuff you will end up in midtable and that is exactly where we are.

04 Feb 2016 11:25:40
Akshit

I agree and count myself in the small minority who were not peryiculary happy with some players. But then again took massive amount of abuse from usual supper posters on here of not backing the players. One reason Ed02 decided not give any honest opinion on the players as he too was targeted.

The biggest weapon to get rid of Rogers by the posters were exactly the same. We got a good enough top 4 squad and the manager is guilty on not getting the best out of them.

Adam had his as usual stats and facts about how good the players were and all was down to Manager not being good enough. ( check the archives you would find plenty. Allen picked up every game, No diamond formation, where is Lucas? Y not dumb Gerrard etc etc)

Everyone are running down the hill now finding new excuses to defend their opinion some 6 months ago.

If you don't believe me. Send a private mail to Ed02. He could bring you plenty of such post.

You might be very new to the site mate.

Brendan never had any system. A poor manager who relied heavily on Suarez and his goals. He bought player expecting some one to turn out be the next Suarez.

Klopp had the same issue at dortumand when he sold Lewandowski to Bayern and they slump down.

People now want the club to ship all the players and buy a whole new team in the summer.

Thanks for reading it Akshit.

04 Feb 2016 11:25:58
Transition.
How is he waiting on Sturridge. He has given him time to fully recover from his injury problems to give himself the best chance of playing a run of games. As with Coutinho, Skrtel, Lovren and Ibe who all had injuries. They made a full recovery before being introduced to the 1st team training again.
He is playing a dangerous game waiting for Sturridge. He has no other option. Behind Firmino doesn't work consistently. Benteke doesn't work or move enough for his style and Origi is just coming back into the fold and Ings is out for the season.

So what does he do?

04 Feb 2016 13:10:42
transition- no hate man, i understand now what you mean. its an awkward situation. earlier we didn't like the manager so well most of us turned a blank eye to how mediocre players we were signing. and now its similar with klopp only that he gets less hate because he is well a better coach. look we have to give it to klopp because this not his team and his record is proven albeit you could say he was declining with dortmund. but still Klopp is miles better a football man then rodgers. on coaching front they both haven't really solved our problems and that tells you that the players are just mediocre and for that there is only Rodgers to blame because he bought them to the club. Unless we signing top players for we aren't going anywhere.

04 Feb 2016 13:23:04
I love Klopp myself Akshit. I would run down the country if he get us the title. He brought back the belief which we lacked and it showed in the emopty stands of Anfield.
But he needs to be realestic. This club is huge and he needs to start delivering it faster. I am gutted we missed out on top 4 this season with chelsea cearly struggling and UTD dropping out.
The club would need a miracle to balance the books and avoid an FFP fine for the upcoming season.

04 Feb 2016 13:31:57
Give it a rest harry, there were plenty of people who were equally not happy with the players we have been signing. Quantity over quality every transfer window was not what was required and you can check my posts and see i am consistent on that. With regards to klopp, wth, are you seriosly comparing a few short months with mediocre players against a man who pissed away 200m on mediocre players.

The same courtesy of time that was given to rodgers should be given to klopp. So because we have not made a whirlwind start you and the other rodgers apologists come out the woodwork and all of a sudden klopp and no good and should be given his p45. Give it a rest man.

04 Feb 2016 16:07:42
Transition- mate, if your expecting immediate results under Klopp your living in dreamworld my friend. If immediate results were expected we would of spent in the window just gone. BR was given 3+ years and I would expect Klopp to be given the same, more if he manages trophies. Klopp is here for the long haul and it ain't going to be a quick fix. If you really think fans were happy with incomings over the last few years then you really weren't around any of the LFC boards. Lovren, Benteke, Allen all were questioned hugely. Firmino and Lallana all were queried about the prices we paid. Very few were happy but that's beside the point. The players are here now and they are playing for LFC so now we support, get behind and give Klopp and co the time they need to change things.

04 Feb 2016 09:22:52
Well well well, nice to see the owners masks finally slipping and showing there true colours, describing us as " customers " not fans! When are you people going to wake up to them? My guess is never because " they savvvveeed us 😱"!

Now before you start with well "yes, there business men", NO! Look back at some of the rhetoric they came out with when they first took over, they waffled nonsense about upholding the club's traditions and FAN expectation etc etc just to get the mug punters onside.

Myself and ozone have banged on about them for years and took a lot of stick for it, but finally your seeing what we saw all those years ago. Venture capitalists looking to use our club as a hedge fund. Getting a feeling of deja vu, think another bout of protests are around the corner.

04 Feb 2016 09:38:50
I don't really care if they call us "the scum" as long as they keep giving £100m a season to the manager to spend, develop the stadium and appoint a world class manager like Klopp.

I don't particularly like John Henry or Tom Werner etc. but I have respect for them. You can question their decisions, but you can't question their financial commitment.

04 Feb 2016 09:45:57
then may FSG now sell their "customers" to a $ rich sugar daddy please.

04 Feb 2016 09:47:04
Its the same owners who sacked Brendan and bought your boyhood dream Klop out of no where Waro. They could have gone for Harry Redknapp or Rafa Benitez instead.

04 Feb 2016 09:58:21
Does it really matter calling us customers!

They back the manager with money so we can't complain really.

04 Feb 2016 10:09:12
Customers is just a generic term these days, it doesn't imply any lack of respect from FSG for the fans.
In fact FSG have a damn sight more respect for fans than some of the fans have for each other- or for the club, for that matter.
The police probably use the word customer to describe the blind-drunk wasters that they scrape from the gutter every saturday evening and throw into a cell for the night.
And as valued customer, I hope they turn up the heating in the cells next weekend, its going to be a nippy one appparently.

04 Feb 2016 10:16:30
We are only customers though.
Football is nothing more than a business these days.
We buy tickets and merchandise off them, so that's all we are.
Sad, but true.
Probably best not to believe everything that everyone says.

04 Feb 2016 12:22:18
" TURNING FANS INTO CUSTOMERS ", that's what's on the official FENWAY website! Well done, I expected no other response on these pages, some of us have a backbone, which is why we'll be walking out on 77 minutes this weekend in protest at the new ticket charges, and that is just the start. Me myself, I'll also be buying a Wembley ticket and not going, and there's quite a few which will be doing likewise.

04 Feb 2016 13:17:05
You're right waro. We need more "fans" like you. Buy a ticket and not go? What will that achieve other than deny another fan the opportunity to go? That is petulance mate.

All fans cry out for world class players at every window, want to stadium to be extended but get upset when ticket prices get hiked up?

I'm not saying it doesn't suck that some fans will no longer be able to afford to go to games but the brutal reality is that the financial demands of modern day football means it must be run like a business.

You imply that all fans who Spode your point of view are spineless and that the only people who can afford ticket prices are the "prawn sandwich brigade". Your annual salary does not dictate your passion and support for lfc, only a small minority fall into that category.

Of course you know best so I'm sure you'll respond with condescending comments like "son" etc.

04 Feb 2016 13:26:30
We are fans and we are customers. I don't see the problem with that.

04 Feb 2016 13:47:58
Completely disagree with you Waro.

Adam's final sentence is spot on and Harry is spot on as well - they have pumped money in to the club continuously.

Their aim for all the money they have invested is to make a good return. This means off the pitch but off the pitch is better when on the pitch is going well and they know this. How many times have they pumped money in to the club to push for the title, to qualify for the champions league, etc. Winning on the pitch they win in their pockets - that's nothing to complain about.

04 Feb 2016 09:03:08
Just reading the negativity toward klopp down the pages, talk about fickle. I didn't want Rodgers but felt it only fair to get behind him and give him time, he ultimately proved me right and turned out to be the truly awful manager I thought he was.

Now turn to klopp, a proven title winning manager, wanted by a succession of top quality football clubs across the globe, and three months into his tenure and working with another managers poorly recruited players and a shocking injury list, people are questioning his abilities? Truly truly shocking and an insight into the new breed of Liverpool supporter, the verruca salt generation.

I for one am over the moon that klopp is our manager and I am 1000% confident that he will mould the side with HIS players into a title challenging team!

I will make a note of the posters questioning him at the moment because I'm equally confident the same posters will resurface when he gets it right and they will be fawning all over him, telling everyone who will listen that they always had every confidence in him.

{Ed001's Note - scary isn't it just how fickle people are?}

04 Feb 2016 09:25:33
Well said Waro. Best post I've seen on here in years.

04 Feb 2016 09:34:29
i do agree with ed002 that he needs to adapt a little to his current situation. but ill be honest i don't know what's going on so i can't say i know in what areas.

but i definitely think he is the right man to bring us forward. he needs time. its not easy coming in mid season to a squad left by brendan. were still in both cups which is something i'm not confident brendan couldev given us at this point.

04 Feb 2016 09:46:17
Kaizer, you say you would not be confident that Rodgers would have kept us in both cup What big team have we played and knocked out of either cup. We have had the easiest draw up to now in both cups that I can ever remember.

{Ed001's Note - yes but we were getting hiding off the likes of Stoke under Bodgers, unless it escaped your attention as your head was so far up his backside you probably couldn't see results.}

04 Feb 2016 09:56:04
Hats off to the owners for getting us a top coach in Klopp.

04 Feb 2016 10:01:24
I see improvements with the same team rodgers had. I gave rodgers time, i even said he would be our signing of the season, you can find it here. turns out i was wrong, and i'm not afraid to admit i was wrong.

What did rodgers improve after finishing second? i only remember him complaining about losing a player like suarez, never mentioned the replacements he selected with that money now did he?

04 Feb 2016 10:04:15
Semi final defeat to Aston Villa last season. Who says Rodgers needed a big team to get knocked out?

04 Feb 2016 11:51:45
Done know how many times certain cretins need to be told to go back and watch the first interview he gave, he stated then it would not be easy, it would take time, and it was going to be hard to watch at times, and one of the most pertinent points he made was we would win 1 trophy in the next 4 years and we along with the football public and media were overjoyed by this.

To those that can't see what's happening, open your eyes, maybe take 4 hours over the next week to watch a game 2 or 3 times. You will see the changes in how we play, how we setup, create space etc, it's not perfect but we are no where near what a Klopp Liverpool will look like in another 2 seasons time. As far as I'm concerned he has 5 years to take us back to the top, that's being realistic, it can't be done overnight but it will done.

EMS posted before that Rodgers never get us to a cup final, Klopp has, all the proof u need. Rodgers failed abysmally in Europe, we are now out of the group stages and looking like we can do some real damage.

How many times did any of us see all these fab young lads in the first team in the last 3 years, very damn little if at all, now, I've seen them play full matches, I've seen them tear teams apart. I've watched them hold a West Ham side that's been kicking our arses with our "First Team", to a nil all draw, while being the better side.

He is not a messiah, he is not a god, what is he? He is Jurgen Klopp, the best damn manager we have had in a long time and someone I honestly believe in, I've no reservations about him being in charge I whole heartedly embrace what he is bring to our club.

For those that don't believe, and who want him gone or say he is no good, don't come jumping on the bus when we start winning trophys as it will be full, full of the true believers.

In this moment, I Believe.

(Think u might have a point on the owners too Waro ;) if we are going to have owners that stay in the background we need impossibly mega wealthy sheik owners who don't care about FFP lol)

04 Feb 2016 11:51:45
Done know how many times certain cretins need to be told to go back and watch the first interview he gave, he stated then it would not be easy, it would take time, and it was going to be hard to watch at times, and one of the most pertinent points he made was we would win 1 trophy in the next 4 years and we along with the football public and media were overjoyed by this.

To those that can't see what's happening, open your eyes, maybe take 4 hours over the next week to watch a game 2 or 3 times. You will see the changes in how we play, how we setup, create space etc, it's not perfect but we are no where near what a Klopp Liverpool will look like in another 2 seasons time. As far as I'm concerned he has 5 years to take us back to the top, that's being realistic, it can't be done overnight but it will done.

EMS posted before that Rodgers never get us to a cup final, Klopp has, all the proof u need. Rodgers failed abysmally in Europe, we are now out of the group stages and looking like we can do some real damage.

How many times did any of us see all these fab young lads in the first team in the last 3 years, very damn little if at all, now, I've seen them play full matches, I've seen them tear teams apart. I've watched them hold a West Ham side that's been kicking our arses with our "First Team", to a nil all draw, while being the better side.

He is not a messiah, he is not a god, what is he? He is Jurgen Klopp, the best damn manager we have had in a long time and someone I honestly believe in, I've no reservations about him being in charge I whole heartedly embrace what he is bring to our club.

For those that don't believe, and who want him gone or say he is no good, don't come jumping on the bus when we start winning trophys as it will be full, full of the true believers.

In this moment, I Believe.

(Think u might have a point on the owners too Waro ;) if we are going to have owners that stay in the background we need impossibly mega wealthy sheik owners who don't care about FFP lol)

04 Feb 2016 12:06:42
I agree Waro but here is the thing, you don't have to be intelligent whatsoever and certainly you do not have to understand the intricacies of football, tactically and what goes on behind the scenes. You do not need any of that to enjoy the beautiful game, to enjoy following Liverpool and to have an opinion. Some people are just stupid and thickle and it is tough, it's annoying but like I say tough. Once this team is actually a team Klopp has assembled, we will be contenders in all competitions I am sure, so I agree with you there. But don't you think it is a little bit tragic if you are actually planning to make a note of the people who are slagging klopp off now and then call them out when they prove to be thickle? Surely it's really not worth it.

04 Feb 2016 13:43:10
Agree with you 100% Waro. Delighted we got Klopp and we have to just give him time.

04 Feb 2016 15:14:46
This forum suffers from hyperbole. Klopp has not been doing well, in the league anyway. The results are there for everyone to see, people need to stop the excuses and see what is in front of them. I expected more and i don't feel ashamed admitting it. You see it all the time where a new manager walks in and results improve. Liverpool PL results havent, they have got slightly worse. Saying that, i hope that a few new faces and a brave few out will help and a good pre season hopefully we see what Klopp is all about. Do i want to give Klopp 3 years like some of the nonsense i have read? No way! He needs to be up and running next season. I don't give a hoot if it was Rodgers, Klopp or anyone else, i want LFC to be a success and win trophies.

04 Feb 2016 13:31:06
Ed002 I really don't get it. You're calling fans fickle for not being happy so far under klopp, and in other posts are having a go at people making 'excuses' for him not having turned us around so far. Which is it - are they right to change their view based on what's happening or are they fickle for it? Not having a go I just genuinely don't understand if you think Klopp is decent and needs time to show it or if you think that he's not that great and is being found out (I'm assuming you aren't advocating that people should form an instant opinion and sick by them no matter what) .

{Ed002's Note - I think you will find it was Ed001 calling you fickle on this occasion, but not to worry. But it is fair to say that there are a lot of people making excuses for Klipperty where previously the would have been knocking the likes of Rodgers. Fickle is adjective for the Liverpool fans.}

04 Feb 2016 18:28:33
Apologies, my mistake Ed002. Does that mean that there is a significant difference of opinion on Klopp between the Eds? I'd love to hear the podcast on that!

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the other Eds think of Klipperty. Maybe you should ask #WonderDogSparky who Kilipperty has taken lodgings with. https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/61783826115157437/ }

04 Feb 2016 07:11:23
I would love klopp to give the youngsters the last dozen games to see what the youngsters can do on a consistant basis. After the cup final at the end of feb let's give the ypungsters the remainder of the season to show him what they can do. He must know by now what the team we played on tuesday night can or can't do more like. i'm sure the fans would be understanding if results didn't go our way during this period but at least we would be giving these youngsters the platform and experience they need. Its clear that some of them have what it takes to break into the first team and it might save us spending money on positions we don't really need to.

04 Feb 2016 07:24:44
Flanagan and Smith should definitely come in

It would be good to to see Ward and Ojo given some time too.

04 Feb 2016 07:36:51
Flanagan and Smith maybe the rest 1 or 2 games I'm afraid if they don't live up to the hype the fans will destroy them and honestly stop kidding yourself with all that youngsters crap they are not our saviours just as you found out with your darling Ilori.

04 Feb 2016 08:38:50
ca1974

Exactly what I was saying yesterday. leave the so called strongest 11 for the cup games and give the youngsters chances in the league games.

The league is over for us so if the youngsters can't get game time now then they never will.

Ward, smith, Flanagan, ojo and texiera should be getting games.

Smith at left back and let's try Moreno in left wing add some pace to our attack.

04 Feb 2016 08:50:40
Red 10 what has illori done wrong since being given an opportunity besides running out of steam in the first match? Did he make a horrific mistake and concede a hatful of goals because of some kind of ineptitude?

I really don't understand the hatred towards our OWN players. Boggles my mind.

04 Feb 2016 09:26:27
For all the ones on here calling for the youngsters to be given more game time to TEST what they can do
. Do you not realise the sort of pressure managers are under to win as many games as they can. The higher up the league they finish the more money for the club, Europa cup places up for grabs not to mention the managers reputation is at stake. So you can understand why managers find it difficult to try the youngsters when so much is at stake.

{Ed001's Note - yet Klopp has managed to do it, while your hero Bodgers failed miserably. Just shows who crumbles under pressure and who mans up and takes it. I am sure you will make more pathetic excuses for how Bodgers wasn't at fault, but he was and we are in this position because of him. A bunch of youngish players that we have no idea about because he was useless.}

04 Feb 2016 09:37:20
On another note, whose younger? Red Since 64 or Ed01. ha ha :)

04 Feb 2016 09:52:05
Ed, where in my post did I mention the name Rodgers, you need to get help mate, because you seem to read into posts something that's not there. Rodgers has left and you need to move on, I certainly have.

{Ed001's Note - no you have not, every single trolling post from you is comparing them. SO give it a rest and stop trying to be a marty. The only help I need is not having to put up with your snide posts day after day.}

04 Feb 2016 11:49:08
Red since 64

I know what you are are saying regarding pressure but klopp could just speak to the board and discuss using the youngsters in the league and that it could put them lower in the league.

Germany through away the euros didn't they by playing youngsters, and look what happened after that!

{Ed002's Note - Aside from it being forbidden by FA rules, the club would never allow it, and the sponsors will be less than amused.}

04 Feb 2016 11:49:08
Red since 64

I know what you are are saying regarding pressure but klopp could just speak to the board and discuss using the youngsters in the league and that it could put them lower in the league.

Germany through away the euros didn't they by playing youngsters, and look what happened after that!

{Ed002's Note - Aside from it being forbidden by FA rules, the club would never allow it, and the sponsors will be less than amused.}

04 Feb 2016 11:49:08
Red since 64

I know what you are are saying regarding pressure but klopp could just speak to the board and discuss using the youngsters in the league and that it could put them lower in the league.

Germany through away the euros didn't they by playing youngsters, and look what happened after that!

{Ed002's Note - Aside from it being forbidden by FA rules, the club would never allow it, and the sponsors will be less than amused.}

04 Feb 2016 04:04:56
haha Rodgers claims he had discussion with Klopp on his new job and i am pretty sure he convinced him with whatever he said. that's why we don't still play youth in EPL games and play without wingers at all. and the defense is still un-coachable and mignolet is our keeper. sorry for the bad post couldn't hold myself back when i read the bbc gossip coloumn. :P.

04 Feb 2016 09:31:22
Whatever was said obviously didn't work because we are points wise much worse off under Klopp that we were under Rodgers.

{Ed001's Note - how can you possibly make that comparison? It is another idiotic stat presented by morons trying to make Klopp look bad. At no point has Bodgers had the same situation that Klopp stepped into. So how can we be worse off? There is nothing to compare between the two. Would we have got better results under Bodgers, that is they only question, and we will never know the answer, but it is unlikely he could have come close to doing as well.}