Liverpool Banter Archive June 04 2017

 

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04 Jun 2017 23:29:14
Is it just me that thinks that sakho, you know the player who actually is a Liverpool player, is better than VVD? I'd much rather see sakho back! And invest the 60m it would cost to sign VVD on a left back and a winger? Split the 200k wages? What a joke.

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05 Jun 2017 00:23:13
Sakho looks good defending deep and just getting rid, ala Crystal Palace. There are times when we need that, but Sakho can be a liability holding a high line, much like Lovren at times admittedly. I'm not saying he's not better than what we have, but with his obvious fallout with Klopp, it's a pointless discussion, though one that has been had on here a fair bit.


05 Jun 2017 00:28:59
Mate that ship has well and truly sailed. Plus regardless of the personal issues he had with the manager, celebrating When palace scored against us in front of the anfield crowd for me was the final nail in the coffin. Best just to move on.


05 Jun 2017 00:33:31
I think you are right to a certain degree. But. our manager doesn't want him anywhere near the first team so you have got to go with that mate.


05 Jun 2017 04:20:26
The manager doesn't want him back because he has attitude issues. I also disagree that Sakho is better than VVD.


05 Jun 2017 04:34:18
I don't think Sakho is better than VVD. And even if he was, it doesn't matter. Klopp doesn't want him.


05 Jun 2017 07:38:07
I would love Sakho to return to the set up but that's Norbert going to happen.


05 Jun 2017 09:24:43
Nobert say Nobert.


04 Jun 2017 22:29:07
Is it just me that thinks that our main transfer target this year should be Southamptons number 1 scout. Would save us millions.

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{Ed025's Note - good point surrey..

05 Jun 2017 06:13:42
Even if we payed him 20mil a year it would be a steal.


05 Jun 2017 08:58:24
I said that a month ago or even the Celtic scout . But what we should really do is look to see who southampton are looking to buy to replace VVD and buy him instead at a fraction of the cost 😉.


05 Jun 2017 10:22:09
At what point would it be cheaper to buy Southampton and fire the players we don't want?


{Ed025's Note - love it angry..

04 Jun 2017 19:30:36
Hi all,

New poster, long time reader. Very excited about the Salah move as he's hopefully going to be more determined after things didn't work out at Chelsea. Also hoping to see solanke do well, know several Chelsea fans who were disappointed he left.

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04 Jun 2017 20:00:21
Haha and Mark Gonzalez, there is a nice blast from the past!


04 Jun 2017 20:43:26
Hopefully he will do better than you Mark!


04 Jun 2017 22:31:40
Wouldn't be that hard, to be fair. All Salah would have to do is turn up and have one good match :P.


04 Jun 2017 22:47:56
Salah returns to haunt Mourinho by scoring the winning goal for us against Man U.
Now that alone would be worth £35 million. 👍🏼😃.


04 Jun 2017 23:42:35
Just be careful how much expectation you out on solanke.

Remember tbe dissapointment when ibe or sinclair left.

Just givr him time, leave him alone ans review it again in 2 years.

Remember the likes of costa didn't thrive for ages.


05 Jun 2017 02:54:43
He swerved us in favour of Chelsea, money's clearly his God. I will not be happy at all if he signs, for that reason but mainly because he's not good enough as his spell in the division proved. Your all so phoney on here saying what a great signing he'd be, yet not one of you said beforehand he's a player we should be looking to sign.


05 Jun 2017 04:22:51
I disagree Waro. It has been well documented that Salah chose Chelsea because the club screwed around with Basel.


05 Jun 2017 05:22:40
Waro, how could Salah accept LFC's offer when Basel rejected the measly sum offered for him in the first place? He chose Chelsea because it was his only option considering they actually matched Basel's valuation for him.
And he never flopped at Chelsea. He is not a Jose type player and never got enough chances to show what he could do.


05 Jun 2017 07:58:48
I have to echo Buzzers's comment, the club couldn't come to an agreement over the price. The irony is, look how much we are prepared to pay now.

I thought Willian was the one that messed us around, agreeing to sign for us, then decidingon Spurs, ending up at Chelsea lol.


05 Jun 2017 08:48:47
He's also 3 years older. More maturity, more experience.


04 Jun 2017 18:03:57
Ed away from all the VVD talk. A few weeks back you mentioned we had spoken to 2 of Kietas reps but not approached Rbl. To your knowledge has this progressed any further?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know.}

04 Jun 2017 18:19:58
He'd be the one I want most- doesn't seem likely at all, player and club need convincing not to mention other teams interest.


04 Jun 2017 19:09:04
Will prove to be the most important signing since Xabi.


04 Jun 2017 20:11:10
More important than Saurez? Must be some player!


04 Jun 2017 20:20:06
Our most important signing was Didi, way more important than the two mentioned.

Fairly recently of course.


04 Jun 2017 20:28:36
Well I'm sure he won't bite anyone, racially abuse anyone, disrespect one of our greatest players as manager, and end up sitting in the stands when he should be out helping his team mates, try force a move to our rivals, treaten to sue the club, so yeah more important than Suarez,


{Ed025's Note - wow..

04 Jun 2017 20:44:23
Harry just forgot about his favorite past-time for a bit there Irish.


04 Jun 2017 22:25:12
I take it you disagree with port ed?


{Ed025's Note - not really IAC just surprised he was so candid mate..

04 Jun 2017 23:21:41
I understand, won't get many people agreeing with him tbh, fans only care about goals and winning. I am fully behind port on this one btw.


04 Jun 2017 11:08:38
Hello Ed02, if you are free mate
Not liverpool related but do you think City will have problems under FFP. They are spending Insane this season. And moreover I can't see them recouping enough from Sales.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - No, they won;t have a problem.}

04 Jun 2017 17:42:55
What about the hearing on July 3 . Are they risking a ban like athletico Madrid . Or is it just a slap on wrist or nothing in it.


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with FFP, which is what the question was.}

04 Jun 2017 20:31:40
Ed is the ffp just completely void now, because unless I completely misunderstand the rules then if city spend the sort of money being reported they will surely won't be complying with them, another UEFA massive fail?


{Ed002's Note - No, FFP still applies and for some reason the Liverpool fans have become obsessed with Manchester City. And it seems that perhaps you don't understand the rules.}

05 Jun 2017 01:13:15
When did we switch from Chelsea to City? 🤠.


04 Jun 2017 15:54:47
Some of the options for centre back and left back underneath the more marquee type players are pretty frightening to be honest. I saw for example Maguire play for Hull and he was hopeless. Slow, poor positional play and generally hapless. Honestly I'd rather not buy anyone than sign someone who will take us backwards.

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04 Jun 2017 18:48:03
I'm with you on that, option b and c look pretty worrying especially with transfers regarding the defence. Virgil van djik to Gibson, Mendy to Robertson. There are better options out there, we just don't have the scouting team for it. I'm not too worried about missing out on top players especially with some of the fees being mentioned, but let's not then drop the standards 10 folds and get a player that doesn't improve our first 11 yet spend loads of money still.

Maybe we want a few British players, our 'other' options are mostly British players funnily enough. Chamberlain, gray, Robertson, Gibson etc.


04 Jun 2017 20:07:54
In my opinion Gibson is better than Van Dijk. He is a better leader, better defensively and has a better fitness record.

Chamberlain is a definite downgrade n Keita as a centre mid, but he can also cover wide forward and wing back positions. I am not sure it they are related though. I think we want both.

Robertson is a marginal downgrade on Mendy. Mendy is light years ahead going forward, but Robertson is better defensively.

As for Gray though, couldn't agree more. He is no better than Ojo. Average at best. I hope Klopp knows what he is doing if he signs him. Maybe he sees something nobody else does!


05 Jun 2017 01:14:17
Gibson is not better than Van Dijk - no chance.


04 Jun 2017 15:26:45
Mourinho willing to see De Gea leave in return for Morata. Might be a rumour but a ha, I guess Zlatan did not score enough goals for UTD.

I would be more than happy to take De Gea of Morinho's hands. Liverpool that is.

Not going to happen but just saying.

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04 Jun 2017 16:58:02
What?


04 Jun 2017 17:28:58
He'd be a proper backup for Mignolet.


04 Jun 2017 17:36:54
I think we're all puzzled by that, lol!


04 Jun 2017 18:58:16
Bit of a pointless post.


04 Jun 2017 15:09:07
Surely if we were not looking at centre backs and was purely interested due to an approach to us; then it's possible we will not look at another centre back now VVD isn't available.

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04 Jun 2017 15:33:58
Correct! Also might change if Klopp actually realize buying offensive full backs will only improve goals and not goals conceded which still remains very poor. As well we are certain to be in the group of death of CL potentially drawing some heavy weights and you need actual CB to deal with the likes of Ronaldo's and Dybala's.


04 Jun 2017 15:47:57
My word Harry, you do realise that we will have to deal with Clyne and Milner in the CL if Klopp does not get two proper fullbacks?

Now we know why you keep on changing your name the whole time.


04 Jun 2017 15:58:12
Lol. Did I mention we do not need to upgrade full backs? We potentially need 5 new players. 2 FB, 1 LW, 1 CM, and 1 CB.


04 Jun 2017 16:36:01
And what if Klopp is toying with the idea of playing with a back 3? Has anybody considered that? Maybe it's me, but it really seems out of character for both Klopp and FSG to seriously pursue someone at such a high price and wages, and then have Lovren sit on the bench at 100k per week. I'm probably way off with this train of thought, but a back 3 would also drastically reduce our RB/ LB problems. Of course, the midfield would then have to be re-sorted but then that's another discussion for another day, but it's certainly doable.


04 Jun 2017 16:57:40
WE need full backs regardless of any formation change mainly coz our current one's offers pretty much nothing going forward or tracking back.
It's up to the manager what he prefers, traditional defenders or failed wingers. If he persist with the former you wouldn't need to tweak the CB's but if he chose the later then you either need a proper stopper in the middle to sweep all danger or you need better CB's.

Spurs has the best CB pair in the league, Yet they play a stopper infront of them and there is a reason why!


04 Jun 2017 17:40:16
Spurs have the best defence in the league because they have dier and wanyama ahead of them. Don't think aldeweireld and vertonghen in particular are that special individually.


04 Jun 2017 18:27:16
Alder is very good.


04 Jun 2017 14:22:37
I hope those urging klopp to spend 60/ 70 mil on vvd are not the same people who are going to slag the deal if he has a bad game. Don't want him for that money. Can ed give us some alternative cbs we would be keen on please?

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{Ed025's Note - keane or mcguire?..

04 Jun 2017 14:45:39
Ha ha ha. Did that make you smile Jonny? And guess what we will pay huge in either case.


04 Jun 2017 14:48:57
Keane or Maguire? I think I'm going to chunder.


{Ed025's Note - how elitist of you..

04 Jun 2017 15:05:46
Gibbo.


04 Jun 2017 15:03:09
LOL Ed025. FSG will be expecting a title challenge next season, not a bottom half of the table finish. Suggest some better defenders please.


{Ed025's Note - koulibaly and david luiz..better?..

04 Jun 2017 15:28:16
I'll be honest Ed025, neither Keane nor Maguire look capable of being anything more than mid table players. Which is fine if you want to finish mid table, but not so good if you're in the Champions League. You know my misgivings on Keane, but Maguire is too slow, shockingly poor in the air, lacks concentration and gets caught out of position and loses possession to often.


{Ed025's Note - yeah..but besides that.. :)

04 Jun 2017 15:30:39
Napoli are ridiculously hard to negotiate with, they make the lad at Lyon look easy to deal with. So I can't see Coulibaly happening and Luiz isn't going to leave Chelsea anytime soon!


04 Jun 2017 15:35:21
Gimminez, Rudiger, Monalas, Laporate. There are plenty.


04 Jun 2017 15:41:03
Laporte only looks good because he doesn't have to play Pulisball. He's a bit short for a centre back at 5'11" so would be battered here, and considering crosses are the weak point we want someone at least competent in the air.


04 Jun 2017 16:01:00
Ed025 is right. We need a sturdy english speaking centre back, nobody talks in our back line its all silent and uncomfortable. Keane or maguire may not be great but in all honesty are probably the same level of half the centre backs with fancy names everyone wants to sign.


{Ed025's Note - you make a fair point wooly, the likes of john terry was a very average player but got the best out of the other players, and even though he is a total scumbag of a person was the lynch pin of chelsea..

04 Jun 2017 16:52:44
Jerome Boateng of Bayern Munich. Winner's pedigree and mentality. Has not played much this past year so could be enticed away, if Klopp wanted him. A little older, but could still give 5 years to the team.


04 Jun 2017 17:15:30
Laporte is actually 6ft 2.5 inches not 5ft 11 so would be more than capable in the air.


04 Jun 2017 17:17:07
Should also try Bernat from Bayern. A very good Left back.


04 Jun 2017 13:45:48
Klopp sounds very positive about next seaon (see the Echo) . He would turn a depressed person euphoric. I CANNOT WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON.

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{Ed025's Note - im all ready counting the days HL9, and my god do i miss my footy bets..

04 Jun 2017 13:35:25
I don't know who are biggest earners are but of we offer 180 a week to vvd, what are the likes of coutinho mane etc going going to think. They are key players to us as much as vvd may be.
I think we should stay with what has been offered - if it has - and let him chose. If he wants to play for Liverpool, he will chose us, if he wants money he will go elsewhere, and is not the type of player Klopp likes.

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04 Jun 2017 14:46:11
Mane will certainly get a new contract.


04 Jun 2017 14:50:18
Exactly, Fencey. I wanted VVD very much (I had posted about having a "twin towers" defense with Matip-VVD months ago) but not at the expense of unsettling the team or turning the financial balance upside down. Coutinho, at 150k per week, is the highest earner and I think that's a fair reflection of how it should be.


04 Jun 2017 12:14:03
Hi Eds if we were going to sign a CB (I'm not saying we are) who would you prefer us to sign as a realistic player?

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{Ed025's Note - keane of burnley maybe?..

04 Jun 2017 13:40:09
Thank you. wouldn't be a bad shout.


{Ed025's Note - he will only cost about £30m ted...bloody hell my first house in wavertree cost £5000...the world has gone mad mate.. :)

04 Jun 2017 13:45:04
I'd rather we line up with you as our new CB ed025. Keane is a die hard man united fan and I don't want one of those in the team. Plus he's poor as well. That too.


{Ed025's Note - i was half decent in my time FMS and to be honest i cant be any worse than klavan and lovren, carragher, fowler and macca were all everton fans mate but once you sign for a club your alliegences change, i think hes decent myself mate..

04 Jun 2017 14:31:59
Difference is that Carragher, Fowler and Macca grew up at Liverpool and they always felt a loyal connection with the club, plus the rivalry is a friendly one between us and I think if you have family that are red you'll still want to do your best. Keane is a Man United supporter through and through, he's played for United and still wants to play for them. I don't believe that we could trust him and the crowd would be on his back the first mistake he makes (and he makes some shocking mistakes, sk it wouldn't take long for that to happen), for his own sake he should go somewhere else as he just wouldn't be welcome at Anfield because of his allegiance and because he has given it large in the papers how much he loves united and dislikes us, so he can't change those words now. The laughable thing is that the £30m for Keane makes whatever the package to sign VVD City have paid look cheap, given that Keane only looks ok (I won't say good! ) because Burnley stick ten men behind the ball and when you examine his ability and scrutinise him, he falls well short of even being mediocre.


{Ed025's Note - its all about opinions i suppose FMS but i think your looking to deep int the man utd thing mate..these are professionals..

04 Jun 2017 14:43:33
Keane? Cough cough. It is quite simple really, just rather give Gomez a run.


04 Jun 2017 14:47:15
Keane won't come cheap considering VVD is priced at £50 mill.


04 Jun 2017 14:49:59
Keane is a good player to the level of Everton. Not good enough for Liverpool 😎.


{Ed025's Note - how very dare you.. :)

04 Jun 2017 15:04:34
VVD is priced at more than £50m Harry.

Along with his £10m a year contract.

If we do sign VVD then I really will not know what to say. Then VVD will still have to baby Milner and have a look at how Clyne runs up and down the pitch aimlessly.


04 Jun 2017 15:09:24
Professional in the very loosest definition of the word, I would add. Thing is, if he was just a transient player at United who was dumped early on, like Beardsley, I'd not give it second thought as he would have no loyalty to them. But this is a nailed on die hard United fan and its a completely different issue as he's said that they're the only team bar Burnley that he's loyal to as a suppprter and he's said that is for life. For me that rules him out. Notwithstanding the fact that he's just not very good which should be enough in any case. (Won't even mention the 25% sell on that United would get out of it. )


04 Jun 2017 15:19:30
I hate to say this, but I'm not convinced that Gomes is a first choice CB and that's what we need.


04 Jun 2017 15:27:32
I agree. All coz we did not cough up £12 mill for Chilwell last summer and did not replace Sakho with a proper CB last season. We are in need coz we not upgrade last time around. Yesterday's £25 mill is today's £50 mill. Quality remains the same.


04 Jun 2017 15:39:25
Harry, it does not work that way because if Lovren £20m two seasons ago was one of the best CB's in the League, came to Liverpool and has not lived up to expectation although he has improved then how can one say that VVD at some obscene price, being made the most expensive defender of all time and along the way, becoming one of the highest earners in the EPL going to guarantee that VVD will be any better than Lovren when both are from Soton?

Playing for LFC compared to Soton is at one massive different level. Ask any Soton player we have signed, especially Clyne :-)


04 Jun 2017 16:50:14
Max

I agree there are no guarantees. But it is for this the scouts are paid. To have proper analysis of the player and where do they fit in with our current system, Do they posses all the attributes to succeed at the club. Are they an upgrade on the current one's.

What if Salah does a Markovic? He came with a reputation of the best young winger.

It's a gamble you take, In fact you must.

I am not crying out for VVD but after watching Lovren and Klavan I would love the club to sign one class CB.


04 Jun 2017 17:22:55
Comparing Salah with Markovic lol?

Marko had 1 half decent season where he scored/ assisted a handful of goals. Salah just hit double figures. You're clutching at straws Harry.

HOWEVER, I do agree about you final point re signing a centre back. I refuse to believe that there aren't better CBs available than VVD for less. Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and Serie A have more than a few!


04 Jun 2017 11:34:53
Rights quick question for ed 01. just to clear things up city haven't put an offer in for vvd. and do you still think he will join liverpool? ? Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't think I have ever said that I think he will join have I?}

04 Jun 2017 11:52:07
No mate sorry i was reading one of your posts saying he will almost certainly join because you didn't want him just sarcasm 😂.


{Ed001's Note - ah ok got you! I had forgotten about that.}

04 Jun 2017 12:15:50
Eds 1 I've promoted you. Binned klopp and give you a little kitty to spend.

How would spend and on who.


{Ed001's Note - little kitty? What like £5.50?}

04 Jun 2017 13:06:45
As an owner if that's all u need I'm a happy man.

I'll give you 100 plus sales.


04 Jun 2017 11:35:37
Van dijk is an excellent player but there's no way in hell he's worth sixty million and 200k a week on wages and I hope most Liverpool fans would agree. Once we start justifying such transfers we'll turn into a soulless football club.
It's truly shocking the way football is going. Its a game created by the fans and yet everyone but the fans are reaping the benefits of soo much money in the English game especially.

It's ironic that the English game inherits the most money yet can't produce half decent players on a consistent basis. Why are academies producing next to nothing with so much money to invest in them?
Far less money in the game would force teams to produce from within and also change the culture. Rewarding youngsters for achieving nothing.

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04 Jun 2017 11:47:08
No player is worth £4m when you think that's probably more than the average nurse, fireman or armed forces earn in their career. Football lost its soul decades ago, it sold it to SkySports.
Fees will continue to rise, they are meaningless now as football at the highest level has totally divorced itself from the real world.

I will agree that we can get better value for money than a defender who's been injured for 6 months for £60m.


04 Jun 2017 12:15:22
Do you benefit from apple having move cash reserves than america. Turning over billions. Microsoft. Movie stars, they can get 5/ 20 mil per film. even a cut of the profits like sir mckellan with LOTR (20% off a billion) . music stars, or baseball, basketball, amrrican football even cricket players make a fine living.

Football has never really been a poor mans game, most footballers where on more than the average guy from about the 80's and its been thousands for like 25 years, move on. Its a joke. This is the game.

And then you all kick off because we won't pay x amount for a player and in the same breathe want evrryrhing for cheap.

Everywhere is expensive, this is our day an age not the past.

My house i rent is worth 130k, in 1999 it was worth 25k, then 2000 125k. The owner made a killing like but should i go the newspapers because i don't benefit.

Sorry for having a go. But give it a rest. This page is litered with crap about ruining the beautiful game.

You will all be fine with it all if we win the league.


04 Jun 2017 12:49:01
Let's all stop paying for bloody sky then and stream. They're robbing us not the other way around.


04 Jun 2017 12:35:51
The money has ruined the game. But unfortunately that's the world it is now. Our owners bought our club because they knew eventually they will probably make a killing when they sell it. I can't wait for this breakaway league, I hope Liverpool don't join it and we can see what football is about really.


{Ed025's Note - if you dont join it max you will be in the second tier of football though mate..

04 Jun 2017 12:36:04
If you can't spend then you could remain like Everton. All talking no success!


{Ed025's Note - times are a changing SC, everton will be dining at the top table this coming season my friend and i can hear all you moaning minnies saying.."i wish we were like everton buying top players its no wonder they are known as the peoples club"..

04 Jun 2017 12:58:31
You are a legend Ed025, Best thing happened to this page after ME! 😄😄.


{Ed025's Note - i must admit ...you are my inspiration SC.. :)

04 Jun 2017 13:01:49
If you want to buy top players you have to spend top money All I am saying to the OP Ed025.


{Ed025's Note - i dont have a problem with that SC, a marquee signing is fine but to want 5 or 6 is unrealistic, there are have,s and have not,s in football and at the moment liverpool are a have not, you still have a very decent budget but certainly not a chelsea, man city or man united...still can do a lot of damage though if the budget is managed properly mate..

04 Jun 2017 13:15:22
Money is ruining aspects of the game but you could argue it has also had a positive impact in other ways. There is so much more football available now for people that WANT to watch games on tv. In terms of what players are worth. They're not just people they're viewed as assets to business and it's very much about profitability from the owners point of view and that will have an impact on how much they're willing to pay for a player.


{Ed025's Note - my problem is that players are losing touch with reality RDP and are losing touch with supporters who are still the bread and butter of the game, a lot of them see themselves like pop stars or A list actors with their £10m mansions and bimbo girlfriends, jealousy you might say...yes certainly, but also a fear that the game is losing its identity mate..

04 Jun 2017 13:38:12
Ed025 is great. Second Coming? Let's just say I hope the third coming is much better.


{Ed025's Note - at my age a first coming is difficult enough mate.. :)

04 Jun 2017 13:47:52
Ed25 i couldn't agree more, and the game has been going this way for a long time. I love LFC and the premiership is exciting but one thing i have noticed over the last 30 years is not only how money has ruined the game and like you said made players into pop stars, but also it is hard to find players with any character!

They all say the same, safe things in interviews. At least Gazza had a laugh! That is why when the world cup is on i always support the African teams, because they look like they are having fun and running at players, rather than worrying about making mistakes.


{Ed025's Note - your right gareth, a lot of them dont look as though they enjoy it!. half of them would not crack a smile if they seen a chair walk mate.. :)

04 Jun 2017 13:53:05
Absolute classic mate!


04 Jun 2017 14:02:23
Yeah spot on ed especially with the amount of money the younger players earn before they've even 'made it'. It's very difficult for the average supporter to comprehend the lifestyle and the fact that players can ask for more than 100k a week or whatever when most of us would love to be earning half that in a year! Thanks for the reply.


{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..

04 Jun 2017 14:53:19
Nothing to do with the term Marquee Ed025. We need atleast 5 positions to be upgraded and it's not us fans fault all of them are valued at £40's and £50's.
If you pass this window without signing those then all those would shoot up to £70 next summer.
No one is asking for marquee here. Salah will cost us close to £35 mill. The same player who went for less than £15 mill to Roma.


04 Jun 2017 15:09:21
Money doesn't ruin the game if your winning, just when others have movre than you and are succesful.

Your not mad that there's money in the game just we don't have as much as everyone else.

Honestly there wouldn't be a murmur if we had signed silva, mendy and vvd. Like nothing about the "beautiful game"


{Ed001's Note - that is just nonsense. Insultingly stupid nonsense.}

04 Jun 2017 15:38:37
You think any of these posters would be talkimg about money ruining the game if we had just signed.

Vvd for 60mil, bernardo for 60mil and mendy for 40mil?

Its only reamerged like it does every year because we lose out on targets because of a lack of it.

The eds are talking about other issues like the players attitudes. Well it doesn't really matter how much they have, just how they are educated with it, the standards clubs and importsnt people around them set.

Little examples are johnny depp captain loaded, going to childrens hospitals all over dressed as captain jack. John cena loaded, holds the record amount of wishes granted for the make a wish foundation.

Jermain defoe and little bradley.

Just because x player is rich doesn't make it about the money, its simple there a nob.

Ferdinand donating 500,000 thousand in toys to the children without christmas charity.

This money should enable greatness and enable people who want to be great be it.

Coutinho withoit breaking a sweat could go buy 50 kits and take them round to the familys of bereaved parents. Little things.

Rafas wife, best not miss her off, is part of a liverpool based charity that offers help to children who have lost there parents. Last august she helped take 20 children to disney paris.

Was the king richer than most during hillsborough? Attended every single funeral. To put it into context, that wasnt offered by ariana grande as recently as 2 weeks ago.

Dont let giving these guys money be the excuse for being heartless selfish toads.


{Ed025's Note - some great examples there supermane and it gives me a bit of hope because yes there are some players out there with big hearts, naismith at everton was fantastic and went well beyond the pail with his charity work and the same with sakho at liverpool even though i know hes not flavour of the month, you may think im being a bit biased here but "everton in the community do fantastic work for charities and things like the club donating £250,0000 to young bradly makes me very proud mate...there are good people out there but also players could do a lot more imo..

04 Jun 2017 16:47:48
Everton are the shining light of merseyside for charity work ed. Its not bias if its a fact.

The majority of clubs are a disgrace. They have this money and choose to do nothing with it. that's where the problem lies. Listen clubs and players do stuff but its not enough.

Another little one is the fact its regarded as a tradmark thay klopp makes the players applaud the fans and show there gratitude win or lose, Escially the away fans. How is that like down to klopp.

If you said to all the posters now you where doing a charity run and we all attended, do you just finish, get in your car and f off. I mean you might be a nod ed haha but the least you would do would be a thank you. A few high fives. Same as the kids hanging over the plagers tunnel, even for warm ups. noone ackowledges them, even klopp doesn't even give a nod

This is the hard part for me. Little bradley. Would anyone of cared or took notice if he wasnt ill. Why does it take a little baby boy to get sick to be noticed. These guys are heroes, the modern knights for us football fans. They put on there armour and go into battle and we are there every step of the way. Old, young, rich and poor.

People can call it dramatic, but that's the point, the footballers don't see it as what it is, and how much they mean to people and the wonderfuk position there in to trully help.

Listen noones asking for anything massive

Few ideas

Coutinho and barkley ring some schools and ask could thry attend at lunch and do a footy match.

Liverpool vacate 50 tickets permanetly for free and donate to all differebt groups, charitys, causes each week.

Turn up and do autopgraphs at the club shops in liverpool for free. Once a month.

Get in partnership with charities of childreb, support agencys. Offer apprentiships within the club. Start growing are own coaches, scouts, managers, directors.

Put more in place for academy players. they are not cannon fodder, put them into college and uni, as part of there contractual agreement. help protect them from career ending injuries or failing to make it. They don't care where they go afer they have been released.

Helo with the ones who willnever maake it. buy them a van and tools etc give them retainer with the club or offer them to the plaayers for work

Take 1 million a year and put it into our grassroots. They have to commit to the fa but go build them around liverpool in needy areas.

The importance of sport and in our country football is how much it unites us. It brings equality to all. When your in the kop do you give anf who is either wisd, above, below. esecially with all this brexit stuff. none of that atters on football day

Sorry for the rant.


{Ed025's Note - its not a rant at all supermane its benevolence, just on the young players thing our youngsters go to hospitals, old folks homes and schools as part of their curriculum where they help out on a regular basis, it gives them grounding as well as showing them how lucky they are, i would like to see all clubs do this and then hopefully the future players might have a bit more respect and become better human beings mate..

04 Jun 2017 17:09:14
Nail smasshed on the head ed. Said it for years

Listen im a support worker and have 3 young sons. I have already okayed it for my lads to come with me when there older on shifts and experience what hapoens in the world, what goes on. Get in touch with what they are. It is our duty to help our fellow man if there down. We are the lucky ones. Anyone of us in the flick of a switch could be in a different position.

11-16 olds in school shouls have to partake in a saturday day volunteer job as part of there curriculum. Within charites, homes, hospitals. It will make them more aware human beings and then when thr timed comes where there in any sort of position to helo, they now how important that can be. Even buying someone whose homeless a bottle of water. Visiting lonely elderly peoole and having a brew. Noones asking for your whole life to be dedicated to this but.

Be the change you want in the world.


{Ed025's Note - i think your a very decent human being mate..

04 Jun 2017 18:19:24
Some great ideas Supermane. First post of yours I've 100% agreed with!


04 Jun 2017 11:28:18
Kieta (Lazio) is he a player we are looking at if we don't sign salah or could it be aswell as. Personally kieta would be my preferred option.

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04 Jun 2017 11:33:59
He will move to Juventus.


04 Jun 2017 13:53:47
I think Balde Keita has already agreed a move to Juve.


04 Jun 2017 11:07:40
I'd rather we used the VVD money on Mendy personally.

Understand what Ed means about not having alternatives, we're only interested because he's desperate to play for Klopp and we were approached.

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04 Jun 2017 11:14:42
Totally agree but we ballsed that up as well. Will end up with robertson or similar quality, or msy even rnd up with milner playing a second season there.


04 Jun 2017 11:30:42
I'd rather Milner playing there than Robertson.


04 Jun 2017 11:16:13
Mandy will end up at City as well.


04 Jun 2017 11:47:53
Don't tell Barry Manilow.


{Ed025's Note - love it ron..

04 Jun 2017 12:52:44
hahahah nice one ron.


04 Jun 2017 11:02:46
Eds banter please. Is anyone else getting the feeling that we will NOT sign ANY of the players we've been heavily linked with. I. e. VVD, Mendy, Sessegnon, Brandt, Keita, Ox, etc
That's 6 of the most heavily linked players and we won't end up with 1 of them. Just a feeling, not a fact.

I do see us signing Salah however on a side note.

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04 Jun 2017 11:06:17
I will be happy if we don't be sign Ox.


04 Jun 2017 11:08:43
It is just my opinion, but I still believe Chamberlain will happen.

Our team lacks depth and he can cover both wings, anywhere in midfield, and both wing back positions. He is also a very quick player, and very good in fast one touch football. Something that will help massively in hitting lesser teams on the break before they can get back into shape.

If he hadn't been around at the top level for 6 years already, people wouldn't find it so hard to remember he is only 23 years old.


04 Jun 2017 11:13:50
I actually agree with you on that one Second Coming.


04 Jun 2017 11:31:52
MK
We all thought Milner would bring the same when we signed him from City.


04 Jun 2017 11:18:28
Oxlade would be a shockingly bad signing. To go from VVD, Keita and Mendy to Oxlade and Robertson is piss poor and showing that the club literally have no ambitions of competing.


04 Jun 2017 11:20:37
Think the money we were going to spunk on vvd should be prioritised for a good left back and keita. With regards to sessegnon why can't we go back and say ok you will interchage with milner or an other for the first team.

Salah is supposedly well advanced otherwise i would go back in for brandt.


04 Jun 2017 11:49:50
I don't care if we don't sign anyone. We have enough players, you can improve the team in others ways.
I want to see an organised team. I want to see set pieces run like clockwork.


04 Jun 2017 11:59:49
I agree ron but a season and a half has not seen that come to fruition has it.


04 Jun 2017 12:08:21
Hasn't happened Ron.


04 Jun 2017 12:55:53
we cannot compete with united. chelsea and mancity so get over it or get new owners.


{Ed025's Note - keep the owners and get rid of the spoilt brat supporters..

04 Jun 2017 10:35:10
Not commenting on whether VVD would have been a good fit. My issue is wage demands. If I really wanted to play for a particular team and they offered me 100k per week but another tea offered 150, so freaking what! How much money do you need to live off and live comfortably for the rest of your life? THese players need a reality slap, for crying out loud.

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04 Jun 2017 10:48:27
They are advised by their agents who do most of their thinking for them.


04 Jun 2017 11:01:16
But he did not join an average team. City has every chance of winning the league next season. I am happy he considered us over the likes of City and Chelsea.
He is a very good player.


04 Jun 2017 11:11:40
Burley that's a load of bull. Put it this way if I had an interview with 2 different companies and 1 of them offered me 50% higher wages (which is what you're suggesting) I would definitely not think twice about it.
We are Liverpool fans so are wholeheartedly biased but 50% higher wages is a no brainer in life.


04 Jun 2017 11:13:16
Seriously. You'd just reject an extra £50k a week.


04 Jun 2017 11:28:57
Depends, if i were offered 50k more to do w job i hated i would reject it. Money is not everything to everyone.


04 Jun 2017 11:38:32
Think what he's trying to say is if he really wants to play for klopp 50 grand a week is nothing to these players a 100 grand over a five year contract is over 25 million do they really need more money than that to live out the rest of there lives? Not a chance unless he's got a gambling addiction like myself and a few others haha but you only look at people like rush and so on who played when there was not that much money in football and they are still living like kings, money shouldn't be the be all end all but that's the greedy world we live in.


04 Jun 2017 12:46:19
Vvd will not be doing a job he hates tho. Just the same job for a different team. Hardly the same Harry.


04 Jun 2017 13:54:30
Harry is just one of a kind

and most def. not in a good way ;)


{Ed025's Note - i happen to like harry..

04 Jun 2017 09:59:26
I'm a bit lost eds I know everyone wants different things but I just wanted a better defence, I'm sorry but going forward last season at times we were unstoppable lost mane a couple times add inboth Dannys not being fit =hardtimes we still have Hendo grujic and milly to slot back in mid, we look to be losing out on VVD and I would have been happy with him and matic what a pairing that'd be just don't get dangling wages then changing your mind who does that?

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04 Jun 2017 11:20:38
I agree about the defence needs improving but we also need something up top aswell someone who can unlock the teams that have 11 players behind the ball.


04 Jun 2017 09:17:44
Reading through the banter and FaithinWorks has it spot on re Van Dijk.

Putting aside what Macca said about is changing out offer (I agree this is bad negotiating if true), VVD has gone to the highest bidder and at the rumoured price and salary, I think the club have made the right decision.

There is a BIG differenece between being tight and being sensible. We should not be held to ransom!

If City want to carry on massively overpaying year on year for substandard players (Stones, Sterling, Mangala, etc) then let them!

There is still value to be had in the transfer market!

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04 Jun 2017 09:26:45
I am interested to see who City hires to manage their accounts. He must be a genius. Literally mocking every other club and UEFA.


04 Jun 2017 09:54:48
Sorry but you wrong VVD is one of the best CB in the league this is why Chelsea city and we are after him if city get him you can say bye to even trying to finish ahead of them.


04 Jun 2017 11:04:49
So we should be held to ransoms and play obscene prices which will then shatter our wage structure and mean we will need to soon offer all our players a wage hike?

No! You're wrong. I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying we were right to walk away.


04 Jun 2017 11:11:04
Puzzled

I don't think we are the only club held randsom this summer. Arsenal has had an €90 mill bid turned down by Monaco over Mbappe and that's just one Example. They will also break their wage structure in order to keep Ozil and Sanchez.


04 Jun 2017 11:28:57
Subjectively, Mbappe is arguably worth that kind of expenditure. BUT the objective difference between that and our situation with VVD is that Arsenal actually pursued their target.

VIDs agent dangled him at us and spun a novel about him really wanting to come to drive the price up. I really struggle to see how others are missing the mercenary in all of this.


04 Jun 2017 11:24:16
Just to mock ourselves we'll end up selling Sakho to Southampton. Textbook us.


04 Jun 2017 12:24:31
I can understand the opposition by some, to buying overpriced players on ridiculous wages. But when come Xmas and Chelsea, Utd Spurs, City and Arsenal are above us, they will be on here saying why didn't we buy this player or that player in the transfer window.


04 Jun 2017 13:18:45
More no, the people saying that are more likely to be the ones who are complaining now. about everything.


04 Jun 2017 09:14:06
Ed. Its early days but if we don't sign VVD are we likely to go for an alternative CB? With you explaining how the interest came about on him it would be very strange for us now not to push for other players in the same position? A bit like needing a new car, test driving it and then buying a motorbike. Hope you see what im trying to get at. Is there a plan B?

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{Ed001's Note - what if there is no one else around that is going to improve the team and is available? Do you think the club should just buy one anyway?}

04 Jun 2017 09:19:57
I disagree Ed01. This excuse of " No one else there " doesn't bite me. For the money we were offering to Southampton we could tempt a few heads easily. Gimminez, Monalas, Rudiger. In fact there are plenty in Europe who we could look up to. And I can guarantee all of them are better than Klavan anc Lovren.
It's all about priority.


{Ed001's Note - you can guarantee nothing, don't talk crap.}

04 Jun 2017 09:28:05
No not for the sake of it mate but just seems strange to me. If we were prepared to spend big on a CB and not to have a back up.


{Ed001's Note - why when it was not a planned move in the first place? If Olivia Munn invites you on a date but you can't make it for some reason, would you have a back up plan? This is not us chasing him, in which case there would be a list of alternatives.}

04 Jun 2017 09:34:20
That's the problem Ed01. A team who has shipped in record number of goals ain't looking at a good Central defender.


{Ed001's Note - it is all about the centre backs. Defend as a team. Do Southampton have the best centre backs? They had their 3rd and 4th choice centre backs playing for most of the season but conceded very few because of the way they play.}

04 Jun 2017 09:39:54
Whoever spends the money suggested on VVD is crazy! IF, and I say IF we are after a central defender then we could get better than that if we were willing to pay that crazy fee. That goes for any club interested actually. WAY over rated.


04 Jun 2017 09:54:59
ED01, Do you suggest we should change the way we play to suit our slow center backs? We play high, press high and high and have very slow CB's who gets dragged out on pace.


{Ed001's Note - only Klavan is slow, that is simply not true. We get caught on the counter because the full backs and midfielders all push on. Most teams that push on the full backs have a deep lying midfielder, or two in Saints' case, that always sit in and make it a 3 or 4 at the back. We take risks, but that is why we score so many as well.}

04 Jun 2017 09:56:38
Vvd didn't play since january, stephens the 300k signing from southend or summit played and was solid because of thrt3 system.

We can be bett3r bu5 do you not realise are expansive style isn't ideal.

Southampton have a way thay makes any cb look world class. Yoshida and all that.

Also united won the league with smalling, jones and evans. Leis with morgan and huth, chelses with cahill.

Just put it this way. Would you buy a mercedes or a house. And your homeless.

Vvd might be the worlds best but he's not going to be any better than what's there with a shaky gk situation and poor fullbacks. So his signing doesn't really matter, ot never did hence not veing deemed a priority like lb, rb and cm.

Lovren and matip showrd real good signs lasg yeat that they cam be good. Put mendy and per eitherside and keita in front anf they will be outstanding!


04 Jun 2017 09:57:48
Kloppsred17,
It doesn't matter if we had a 2nd,3rd or 4th option we'd still be negotiating the same way, you only have to look back on previous transfers they way these CLOWNS, sorry FSG, there all drawn out saga's. to were LFC need to go, these owners r not for us.

P. S do any other clubs have drawn out transfer saga's like us.


{Ed001's Note - it is not FSG that deal with it, so why even say that crap? In the case of the one club in the Prem that does have its owners dealing with transfers, things are far worse. Just be glad we are not West Ham.}

04 Jun 2017 09:58:16
Lol. Lol. I get ya point ed, I know what your saying mate. I guess will see what develops but is it safe to say Citeh have offered over and above we are prepared to go to or is that yet to be confirmed?


{Ed001's Note - I don't know of any offer yet from City. They are interested though.}

04 Jun 2017 09:59:05
I agree with ed1 on that, it isn't all about your centre backs and the fact we don't play a holding midfielder won't help, although that being said Lovren and Klaven are walking disasters at times.


04 Jun 2017 09:59:51
Come on Ed001. this is getting daft!

£70m for a centre back and not being able to make a date with Olivia Munn.? Come on what kind of world are we living in?


04 Jun 2017 10:00:35
Calciomercato say LFC looking at Victor Nilsson Lindelof. 46 mil is the figure mentioned. CDs are bloody expensive.

From VVD to VNL?


04 Jun 2017 10:09:14
You're right ed I get you you're saying we should sign Stephens and yoshida.


{Ed001's Note - that sounds like the kind of thing Rodgers would have done!}

04 Jun 2017 10:39:14
Competent fullbacks left and right with pace is what we require to improve our defence. Ones which can provide much needed width too. That will see us with the opportunity to break down those stubborn defences.

Our CB's may not be the best, they are far from the worst. We conceded less goals compared to 15/ 16 so the signs of improvement are there. We went on something like a 13 match unbeaten run with Lovren and Matipwhen they featured together last season.

You can just imagine what a change it would mean for us having proper fullbacks actually making an impact going forward and Mane cutting in from the left, Salah (if he does join) from the right. That is when you will see opposition defences going into melt down not knowing which player to track. Coutinho and Firmino will have a field day too.

Opposition team will be to afraid lodging counters against us as if they lose the ball, there will be no time for them to recover with 11 men in their own box. Two proper fullbacks please, that will without a doubt improve us on a very large scale.


04 Jun 2017 10:48:50
EDD'S
There is something fundamentally wrong in negotiations if we keep getting gazumped by teams, alas we he from FSG is that we need to be in the CL and when we get in the CL
we negotiate like a corner shop. we're a laughing stock at the minute.


{Ed001's Note - then the man to blame was Ian Ayre in the past and now it is down to the new guy, who has to be given time to get his feet under the table and understand the club.

As for being run like a corner shop, that is nonsense. We have consistently spent large sums, particularly on wages. Laughing stock? Total bollox.}

04 Jun 2017 10:51:21
Who is Olivia Munn?


04 Jun 2017 11:09:04
Blimey this convo is getting over the top imo. Sorry ed for asking the initial question mate. I just want what's best for the club and I want us to compete on all fronts next season. We score goals for fun but also ship lots in and from anyone looking at us would say we need improvement in defence and not in the final third yet were on the brink of another attacking mid in Salah for big money and going cheap on fullbacks.


04 Jun 2017 09:10:58
Hi Eds, was just wondering on your thoughts one Ings. Do you reckon Klopp will let him go or give him a chance? I think he's a great player but having not played football for 2 seasons it's a big risk. Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - too early to say, he has to get fit first.}

04 Jun 2017 08:56:03
Love how we've missed out on vvd even though our interest only came about due to the player wanting to come, or the fact perhaps he is still a saints player and could still end up anywhere.

This signing would always have been a luxury so I don't see why we should be pushing the boat out for a player and position that was not in our targets. If we can get him for what the club deem reasonable then hey ho that's fantastic!

But there seems to be the undertone of "why are Liverpool missing targets" developing here which even for this page could be a record at the 4th of June!

Begs the question ed which was personally the worst summer you had for dealing with people? Does one stand out or does it just get worse each year?

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{Ed001's Note - it feels like it gets worse each year.}

04 Jun 2017 09:05:59
It does, but the Villa and Silva rumours circa '07 also seemed to cause mass consternation. I don't think we were ever close to signing either.


{Ed001's Note - we were but Parry pulled the plug.}

04 Jun 2017 09:12:39
Ou Fans sometime defends our defenders more thanne they actually defend in games. It would be a stupidity to pass on this window without buying a goodbye defender. We are up there on record number of goals conceded. And buying attacking full backs won't solve this puzzle either.


04 Jun 2017 09:16:59
I touched on this earlier in the week . The media leeks and propoganda machine will be in full flow . " we tried " . And now in for this player . " we tried again " . Keita and lacazette will be he next mass hsteria leaks . Robertson maguire / keane . And maybe salah if we don't try and balls that up . Also maybe the anderlecht striker or someone to that level . And of coarse the Chelsea young lad . Don't pin any of you're hopes on the lists peddled out by the usual Joyce and Pearce or bascombe . The fsg men.


04 Jun 2017 09:18:54
Thanks Ed01. I have renewed contempt for Parry now.


04 Jun 2017 09:28:26
Parry was the worse mistake the club ever made.


04 Jun 2017 09:33:23
I think the problem is becoming what football player want to earn. Irrespective of their fees, wages for players make up majority of the clubs financial outlay each season.

Sure we can go pay whatever obscene amount Southampton want for VVD but in the bigger scheme of things he is going to be making a very deep cut into our wage bill.

The 2016 financials show that Liverpool have the 3rd highest wage bill in the League when that is not where we even finished. Your wage bill should reflect compared to what is happening on the pitch surely?

So deals could be going sour because the club's wage bill is something which has to be sustained. Liverpool have been starved of success for an awful long time now. I am pretty sure there will not be any "missed out" deals once the club can be in a position of delivering silverware on an ongoing basis.

Obviously there could be many other reasons why Liverpool haggle in the transfer market but when looking at our debt, we are second behind UTD with the most debt in the EPL. Yes Chelsea owe Abramovic over 1 billion but it is not like he is sitting back crying about it. Other than that, City, Arsenal and Spurs are managing their outlay and turnover very well.

Liverpool can go all out and gamble in the market but failure on the pitch will continue to see the club in ever growing trouble.


04 Jun 2017 10:17:18
I wonder where the club would be if we had signed silva and villa back then. I can only imagine the success we would have had if you added them to the already brilliant team of alonso, torres, gerrard etc.


04 Jun 2017 10:33:45
MAX

For that you should first stop giving away huge contracts to the likes of Lovren and Lallana. Spurs has a smaller wage structure and how easily they finished above us! Can't blame anyone else other than us for the moneybags we have spend and the expense we incur we should be comfortably sitting a lot higher than where we are now.


04 Jun 2017 10:36:26
We had deals finalised for Silva and Villa if I recall. And didn't we have Dani Alves done aswell? Then Parry pulled out. That's a big reason that Rafa got the hump as he put a lot of effort into persuading them to join us. Please correct me if I'm wrong Ed001 as I'm not 100% sure but I recall reading that somewhere.


{Ed001's Note - if you were wrong I would correct you. He also pulled the plug on a move for Cristiano Ronaldo as he deemed £3.6m too expensive for a teenager.}

04 Jun 2017 11:24:41
Yeah I remember the Ronaldo one aswell. Are there anymore notable players we had and messed up you willing to list?


04 Jun 2017 08:33:10
Eds morning, tapping into your insider knowledge a bit here. Would there be any cause for concern with Klopps future if we continue to miss out on his preferred targets?

Not looking to create something from nothing, FSG have said as much money to compete with anyone and have spent. But we have potentially missed Brandt, VVD, Mendy, Keita and failed in opening bids for Salah and Mbappe (if papers etc are true) .

Klopp achieved top 4, has a list A for targets, confirming everything is in place and underway. If we cannot provide could he leave, is he that type? I know Dortmund sold a lot of top players, probably out of his hands but I recall he seemed to get the players he wanted. If this was a one off I wouldn't think like this, but last season it was Goatze, a LB and I'm unsure Karius was option A or even B.

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{Ed002's Note - No, I don't see it as an issue.}

04 Jun 2017 07:59:57
Express reporting today that lfc are going to meet lacazette' reps this week. Any truth eds?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't know. Is he a left winger? Do they say where they are meeting. It seems rather ad hoc or random, but hey ...}

04 Jun 2017 08:09:40
I heard he is a staunch centrist and voted for macron.


04 Jun 2017 07:56:15
One thing I am hoping to see news of very soon is confirmation of Emre Can's new contract.

Think it is vital that we tie him down as Juventus are circling.

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03 Jun 2017 11:04:02
Hey Ed 25 you seem a reasonable guy and I wondered, seeing as Liverpool need a right back and you being an Evertonian, if you wouldn't mind convincing Koeman to sell us Jonjoe Kenny? :) you can have Clyne too if you want ;)

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{Ed025's Note - i asked jonjoe STM but he said he wanted to be in a side that have a chance of winning things mate.. :)

04 Jun 2017 07:44:41
Why do we need a RB when we have Alexander-Arnold?


04 Jun 2017 08:03:39
That jonjoe seems a shy lad. living in the shadows will do that.


{Ed025's Note - you might get a shock next season HC, be afraid...be very afraid.. :)

04 Jun 2017 06:59:00
Hey eds, thanks for everything! Re our full backs, what are your thoughts on Mike Duff from Cheltenham town for right back? And Taribo West for left back? I think we can get Taribo on a free and Duff for about 250k, could be good business?

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04 Jun 2017 09:24:36
Pep guardiila ona free transfer too please, only wants 55k a week!


04 Jun 2017 06:45:10
Why do so many think VVD will solve all our defensive problems? Why would it be any different to signing Lovren? Both had the Southampton system and players in front of them. Once removed unless its the same protection they're not as good, as Lovren proves.

Last season we desperately needed a LB, thanks Milner for being a top quality professional and bailing us out. Again this season we need a LB. Should have gone all out for Mendy, the best out there.

To compete we need a 20-30 goal striker, Firmino isn't that. Origi isn't and Sturridge doesn't play enough. We should have continued our pursuit of Mbappe or a top level goal machine.

Without these two positions covered in top CL quality it doesn't matter if we buy Keita VVD and Salah, spending £150m. Nothing will change.

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04 Jun 2017 07:17:53
I do not see why we need a 20-30 goal striker when goals are spread across the squad. We were 4th highest scorers, two behind City.

The fact that we have been chasing VVD when both fullback positions are the weakest links in the squad is quite concerning.


04 Jun 2017 08:20:23
Because almost all title winning teams have one, we turn half those draws into wins and we are pretty much there. We should be aiming for the title shouldn't we? Spurs are there because of Kane's goals, Leicester had Vardy, City Aguaro, Chelsea's Costa can, but when he has his dry spells, the team chip in and that is what we could have if added a true scorer. Look all around the title winners across Europe.

Goals from around the team are massively important, score from anywhere with anyone but the difference is a striker that bag should goals for fun. The closest we've come was having either Torres or Suarez, they turn that 0-0 into 1-0 etc. Arsenal would have taken our spot, forget their dip and Wenger situation. Sanchez provided those goals from elsewhere, but had they played Giroud more and he tallied 20, we wouldn't be in top four.

Will any of next seasons CL last 16 not have one?


04 Jun 2017 08:33:53
Max, I think you completely miss the boat when Klopp does not want to be dependent on one player.

Fans may think we need a 20+ striker but ever since Klopp arrived he has shown that that is not the route he wants to go along with fans begging for a defensive midfielder. It has not been a secret that a defensive midfielder has not been in his plans since the day he arrived as manager.

We may still sign a striker but whether it is going Lacazette, Mbappe or any other one digging a massive hole in the wage bill, I suggest not to hold your breath.


04 Jun 2017 08:44:34
Maxx, you have rightly pointed out that VVD won't have the Southampton system so may well perform differently for us being more exposed etc. Then you are saying we need the 30 goal a year striker for us, but failing to use that same logic. We play differently and don't focus on providing opportunities solely for a main striker, instead with goals spread out more evenly across attack. A 30 goal a year striker won't suddenly add 30 extra goals.
We fail when teams defend deep in numbers normally when the ball goes out wide to our full backs or when we are lacking pace in our attack as an option. This is the most important area to address and seems to be happening at present.
The 30 goal a year striker would be the proverbial cherry on top 👍🏻.


04 Jun 2017 09:17:55
I completely agree Max, 4th highest scorers and finish 4th, our goals across the team completely dried up in January/ February and it cost us massively, firmino completely went missing, from Nov 5 to March 1 he scored 3 goals and 1 assist, simply not good enough, klopp had lewandowski at Dortmund do don't see why he wouldn't want a prolific scorer at Liverpool,


04 Jun 2017 09:22:46
Lovren and Klavan are the league's worst CB pair and they will have to keep us in CL. I am not excited.


{Ed001's Note - Klavan is 4th choice, he hardly has to do anything.}

04 Jun 2017 06:27:33
Some posters not seeming too pleased with signing another right winger, but tbh how many games did mane just stick to the right wing. Our front 4 constantly change and rotated positions throughout matches last season so I don't see it being a problem.

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04 Jun 2017 07:28:50
Salah is left footed. Mane has played out wide on the left for most of his career and is right footed.

So do not be surprised to see Mane out on the left next season and Salah on the right should his deal go through. Inverted wingers.


04 Jun 2017 07:32:32
The same people would probably complain we had no-one to play on the right Mane if he got injured.


03 Jun 2017 21:43:59
Ed001 and reds, would you rather see Taa with Gomez as backup for rb over signing someone. I know Gomez is not a rb, but I think he may not be ready to start as a CB for us, and the first team experience will help lots. Or, sign someone? I worry it may still be Clyne.
I'm not sure taa will be ready for CL, certainly hopes he gets games, but how often to teams rotate full backs when they are all fit? If we sign one, it may either disrupt the back four, or taa will only get a couple league cup games and a few league if they signing/ Clyne starts the rest.

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{Ed001's Note - no, I would rather we had an older head in there as well, as Gomez is not a full back.}

04 Jun 2017 06:40:58
Hi Ed - do you think Milner might be an option in RB?


{Ed001's Note - yes.}

04 Jun 2017 18:31:44
Good point, didn't think of that! Taa and Milner right, two new lads lb?


{Ed001's Note - that was pretty much the plan, but I expect only one new left back now and Milner to cover both sides. Though we could well still have Moreno on the books yet, not easy to offload as he is a bit pricey for most of the teams interested.}

04 Jun 2017 01:26:54
Hi eds first time poster but followed the page for years and appreciate all the effort you put in.

The latest reports coming out are that we are set to miss out on Virgil Van Dijk to Man City. We are likely to miss out on Mendy to them as well. Is it all down to money?

Are the reports true that we agreed a deal with Van Dijk but FSG tried going back on the agreement? Also we were not prepared to offer Mendy more than £80k a week. From all that I've been hearing both players seemed keen on working with klopp and moving to us but are going elsewhere because we won't pay them the wages City are offering.

Obviously we all want the club run properly and kept financially sound. Surely we have to push the boat out now and again if we want to win the league and regularly qualify for the champions league.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not entirely money but if Liverpool do not offer enough for a club to accept a bid then it will go no further - and not unreasonably. I am not sure of what Mendy has said but van Dijk has praised the work of Guardiola and Klopp.

The club has repeatedly pushed the boat out financially.}

04 Jun 2017 01:43:54
Thanks for the swift reply. I can understand 60 million is an awful lot of money for Van Dijk. I'm confident that Klopp will bring in some quality this summer hopefully in both fb positions.


04 Jun 2017 01:59:53
I hope he goes City tbh. 50-70 mill for Van Dijk is a travesty. Would rather develop Gomez.


{Ed007's Note - And Celtic are due a chunk of the money! Kerching!!!

04 Jun 2017 02:26:09
I think we need a good CB to backup Lovren and Matip but also tend to agree 60m and 200k is exhorbitant and we can do better investing that elsewhere. I do hope if VVD falls away though we go for a Tah, Manolas or some other option like Gibson. I really don't want to see us scraping though at CB for another year and just don't feel we have enough depth or confidence in Klavan.


04 Jun 2017 03:07:54
So vvd is gone, cest la vie, people can't seriously be upset though i did predict we would struggle to sign our targets when we missed the boat on sessegnon. Hopefully we can at least secure some of our secondary targets and still have a good transfer window. Vvd wpuld have been a brucie bonus anyway so all those people crying and moaning about the fee can now feel better.


04 Jun 2017 03:32:57
Can look at it either way.

If they reallt wanted us then money wouldn't be there deciding future.

But fsg no money matters in these cases from there baseball sruff. 100 million pound deals and all that. Sk quite pissed of at them.


{Ed001's Note - you can't compare baseball and football, there is no relevance.}

04 Jun 2017 09:09:28
SM I do believe wages spent in football especially the premier league have caught and overtook American sports. They seem to be a lot more top heavy and these $100m deals are over long time frames and heavily bonus based and a lot tend to get cancelled or re-structured.
I follow NFL and the salary cap is $167m per year which is a lot less than what we are reportedly forking out per year.


04 Jun 2017 12:25:13
Well my point is they understand there market and pay the highest fees.

Flying over to make personal visits to a player then making him one of the highest payed in the league.

To then be involved in assing someones wages around to get it lower.

Point how can one be ran so effieciently but they ass around with the other

There is relevance.


 
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