Liverpool Banter Archive March 04 2013

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04 Mar 2013 23:51:02
I think we should stop looking at people drawing up transfer lists for this summer and focus solely on Brendan Rodgers. Us as fans need to concern ourselves with other things. We need to look at the players perhaps leaving with Reina, Skrtel and now Shelvey possibly departing! It is clear to see that Rodgers has something in his mind.
Any of you know what that is?

Brendan Rodgers does not like bald players!
Fact.

Probably why he didn't play Enrique when he shaved it off!

Maybe you're onto something - Enrique's bald look didn't last long this season AND Rodgers criticised him back when he was bald

That explains why Enrique was always "injured" when he had his hair cut

Maybe that's why Joe Cole got shifted off

Does that mean the return of. Carroll? I'd pay you 10 quids to see your theory go down the gutter in that case!

04 Mar 2013 23:35:57
for ED002, I read this below and copied & pasted it, could you possibly break down what Tony Barrett is implying?

Tony Barrett says In that event, FSG could turn a recent £47m inter-company loan to the club into equity to avoid punishment from FFP {Ed002's Note - Right, this is effectively how Mr Abramovich was dealing with the loans he has made to Chelsea. What he is suggesting is that FSG could take the money they loaned the company and effectively exchange it for the equivalent amount of value in the business - effectively artificially revaluing the company higher than it is really worth and hedging their bets that it will be worth more when it is sold. In simple terms, it would be like "owning" a £550k house that was really only worth £500k. I would however suggest that Mr Barrett looks at the FFP again as this is not a loophole. Liverpool are wide of conforming with the rules at this stage but are looking at going in the right direction and have a good case for how the owners are trying to do business. It'll be a slap on the wrists and a strongly worded letter when it happens. Barrett appears to be scaremongering a little.}

Thank you, makes sense now. kinda!
It also answers a few discussions with friends that i've had who are Chelsea fans in regards to Abramovich and his loans.
I'm not as concerned as most in regards to the debt of LFC. I'm actually a FSG fan for how they've saved the club and backed both managers that have been in charge since their arrival with more than reasonable funds. Had it been spent a little more wisely we'd probably be 2/3/4 places higher in the league right now.

s. p

04 Mar 2013 23:14:00
I think as many others do that Liverpool may need 1 or 2 backroom/boardroom staff.
I feel Rodgers may need another coach or replace someone with a defensive coach.
I always think of how a combination of Steve Clarke and Rodgers wouldv worked. Maybe a disaster in reality who knows But on paper it seems pretty sweet. The solidity and discipline from Clarkes tactics with Rodgers' style and fluidity in play.

Anyway LFC should maybe get some sort of technical director. I knw Rodgers didn't want one but if its best for the club we should do it.
David Dein would be great in that role or even take over from Ayre.
Arsenal found great success when Dein was there so he could give Liverpool some good stability and guidance to FSG in shaping up the club.

F5. {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect David Dein i lined up for another job. Don't hold your breath. How would you utilise Super Stevie Nicol?}

Were would Dein be going? Chelsea? Man City?
Nicol? Is he suited to that role?

Anyway are LFC or FSG actually looking to add another coach and/or a technical director sort of figure?

F5 {Ed002's Note - Try the search function about regarding a "Dirctor of Football" type role.}

05 Mar 2013 09:23:38
Benitez will come back next season as Director of Football.

So it was prophesised.

04 Mar 2013 23:02:08
We go 6th on Sunday and 3 points clear the week after!

Your assuming that everton get beat at home by man city which is no gaurentee if city play like they did tonight.

Yep

Perhaps even 4th if Swansea do us a favour - us having played a game more I know

Correction - 5th

Didnt city win last night 1-0? hey you can't be world beaters every week they will up their game against the bitters

04 Mar 2013 22:58:12
I for one am rather annoyed that the stat of us only beating 1 team that was above us at the time all season, for instance after the first 5 or 10 games (when the league is false) how many games have the teams above won against teams above them?I can't imagine city, united & chelsea have won many games against teams above yet don't see the same stat banded about for any of them.

Its a bit more difficult for them to beat teams above them when there are only 1 or 2 of them! easier for us when there are 6 or 7 but I would'nt look into it too much that stat will change between now and the end of the season.

05 Mar 2013 16:42:44
You can twist the stats to look however you want m8.
Looking at that stat, you'd think our season was a shambles.
Liverpool are the only team in the PL to win 10 games by 3 or more goals this season!
Now it looks like a good year!

Take all stats with a pinch of salt m8!

04 Mar 2013 22:14:58
Is anybody else watching this manchester united munich air disaster show on channel 5?

04 Mar 2013 22:08:14
Just want to give a special mention to Dirk Kuyt who was a very loyal and hardworking player for the club. Glad to see that he is doing well in his new club.

Kuyt has been involved in various projects and social work in underdeveloped countries. This guy is a genuine hero.

Hope he finds success in every footstep.

YNWA Kuyt

Why would anybody disagree with this?

Daveevad

100% agree. I don't like bandying the word 'legend' about so I wouldn't call him one for Liverpool but he was a top-class servant and 'hero' is the perfect word for his charity work.

04 Mar 2013 22:06:56
Just a thought for a possible coutinho song, I've just edited the song "candy" by robbie williams

Ay oh coutinho,
8 and a half mil from rio,
Runs through the defence and scores a goal,
And he's better than robinho.

Spread it around and make it catch on!

Robbie williams? this is Liverpool! thought our fans had good taste in music?

04 Mar 2013 21:14:38
ed do u no if de gea will be moved on this summer I no u said man u are probably going get begovic but why would he want to rotate with gea thanks {Ed001's Note - I expect either Lindegaard or De Gea to go.}

05 Mar 2013 16:51:06
Is it only me who thinks Lindegaard is a better keeper than De Gea? If he didn't play for united i'd take him, he's wasted on their bench.

04 Mar 2013 21:53:43
I think if you look at how many players we are missing, you really appreciate how good this U21 squad is.

Injury: Yesil, Pelosi, Brad Smith, Flanagan and Mclaughlin, Sokolik

Loan: Ngoo, Wilson, Pacheco, Jamie Stephens, Robinson

There's around 7-9 first-team/ squad players there and this U21 squad is still going strong.
Was really impressed with Suso today his dribbling skills and range of passing is phenomenal. That ball he played to Morgan was breath-taking, took 6 players out of the game. Was again impressed by Texeira, Coady, Sama, Adorjan and Shelvey. Must say young Lloyd Jones, who made his first U21 start also impressed me.
Overall, great game and a good point but we deserved all 3.
Really want to see Ibe, Rossiter and Dunn more involves with the U21s

AsianRed

04 Mar 2013 21:48:48
After today's dire financial results it's imperative that we qualify for the champions league at the end of next season. We are going to have to take a risk this summer in terms of player recruitment. The owners will have to provide a decent budget, + whatever we bring in in sales will have to go into the managers budget. there can be no room for mistakes in the summers transfer market, we have to get the right type of players in. I belive this summer will be one of the most important periods in the clubs history, in terms of catching up with the best or becoming a mid table club.

04 Mar 2013 22:55:32
I doubt john w henry is going to give another easy money after the way his money was wasted, not going to happen anybody knows footy will tell you that Liverpool are 3-4 years away from champions league spot, teams above Liverpool are financially strong and most of them have better squad comapare to Liverpool at the moment.

Your saying john w henry should take a risk and spend another 40-50M to get champions league but your forgeting that their is no guarantee we will get top4 even spending another 80-100M, our recent buys have been very disappointing only sturridge and Coutinho are looking good, if we take a risk of spending another 40-50M as you say and don't get champions league then will be in big, big problem.

We don't have Abramovich or sheik to save us don't get me wrong FSG are good owners but they don't have financial muscle like Abramovich or Sheik to save us if we go financially bust.

We need to except that Liverpool are not the team once were and now finishing midtable is only the way to move foward rather then throw money to get champions league!

Liverpool is not and never will be a mid table club.
We are one of the world's leading elite clubs.
We are building on strong foundations.
We have intelligent owners a brilliant manager a strong backroom staff a good nucleus of first teamers and an ever improving academy.
We have the best supporters.
We are Liverpool

If we sell Carroll for 17m (and possibly Reina) and sell to buy in a couple of areas (eg/ Skrtel or Coates out if we want 2 cbs) I'm confident we can build a CL club without spending a great deal net. With the exception of the defence we've already got most of the first team there imo

After visiting this site for many years, I don't think we can lay claim to having the best supporters any longer. The amount of abuse directed at our manager and some of our players is diabolical. Win one game and the manager is god sent, lose and he's out of his depth. FSG get so much abuse as well, and this from the best supporters in the world?

05 Mar 2013 07:53:15
reina can be kept. he is an experinced keeper.
caroll. no one will ever splash 17 mill on him.
do you see him as a 17 mill striker?

there are atleast 10, 15 mill sttriker available outzide

So your definition of a good supporter is one who sits back empties their wallet and claps their hands even when they are concerned about the future of the club.

I guess you were cheering on Hicks and Gillette and Hodgson just so you could still call yourself part of the best supporters in the world.

Football changes, the nature of support changes. The world has moved on.

Interesting point raised on radio yesterday, but not sure if it's true or not
With FFP coming in and the need to have a set amount of debt over 3 years, LFC would need to spend significantly to get into the CL, and then could find themselves not being able to compete in it as a result of the amount they have had tos spend to qualify in the first place.

04 Mar 2013 21:39:12
any one think we should sign delph from aston villa? {Ed001's Note - hahaha, you were joking right? He is dreadful, and that is being kind.}

Don't rate him but to be fair he was excellent for villa tonight against city

Delph haha that's funny!.

''he is dreadfull, and that is being kind'' good God that's nasty. Nobody is that bad, am not that bad.

04 Mar 2013 21:29:05
These debt figures are alarming make no mistake about it. People who are saying it's okay to be in this amount of debt need a reality check. next year the debt will increase yet again, and with absolutely no garuntee of championship league football at the end of next season, makes for a very painful time.

04 Mar 2013 22:24:20
Spot on mate! A lot of people were saying how FSG have saved us and spending their own money by covering our loses etc etc.

Reality is if you see our net spend is not as big as people are making out, we have recouped more then 90-100M by selling our players.

Its clear that FSG don't have enough money to run club like Liverpool, looking at Ian Ayre interview its clear that debt is the way to run Liverpool for short term until we get Champions league at the sametime stadium is longway off, we even haven't submmited our planings which is major shock and worrying.

Next year if debts start increassing then Liverpool are going to be in trouble very soon then later, we don't have enough revenue or income to start paying big debts at the sametime run our club, Champions league is vital for our club to move foward and start bringing extra revenue.

I know everyone have different opinions, but things are not looking good at the moment and if debts start increassing then everyone knows what will happen as we have all experienced how debt came close killing our mighty club!

I don't think so.
Trust FSG as these guys know what they are doing.
Rodolfo knows what he is doing. Brendan knows what he is doing.
Take a chill pill and enjoy the ride because the next few years are going to be fun.
Red Custard

Big increase in tv revenue will help and with transfers out to transfer in we will rise again, no more andy carrol, shevley, adam type players and accept that some of the younger players who are good but not good enough to win the league will be sold.

This kind of scaremongering is so unhelpful. I would suggest anyone worrying about the debts today should have been beside themselves before FSG took over. If anyone is reading these pages over the last 2-3 years they would know that this debt level is absolutely expected and plans are in place to reduce it and put the club on a sound financial footing. FSG have invested further monies interest free to fill the gap so as not to increase the bills. This is way in excess of what could be expected and raises them up another level in my view. The debt rose a bit in that accounting period for the very specific reasons stated but reduction in wage bills and various other in comings and outgoings give us a chance of improving the debt for the next accounting period. Please stop with the unfounded 'ifs' and really read the accounts, statements and posts from Eds and people who understand the accounts and more importantly the situation around the accounts from 18months ago.

04 Mar 2013 21:01:01
Should we disrupt our current form and put Sturridge back up top? What do you guys think. Suarez has been playing out of his boots lately

04 Mar 2013 20:57:17
Can everyone just let the debt thing go? Almost every club in world football runs at a loss every single year. As long as the football is as sensational as it has been recently and Luis stays I'm perfectly happy. I'll even book Pepe a ticket to Barcelona if he wants to because he's been poor most season and a few seasons now. As long as we get a good replacement and keep this team together I'm more than happy. Screw the debt issues we have awesome owners who will put that right. Onwards and upwards. And may I say BR is doing a fantastic job. The football is getting better and better and its really good to see us play with a bit of an identity as a team if you know what I mean. YNWA.
Capetownred

Will you book me a ticket to Barcelona ;)

"Almost every club in world football runs at a loss every single year"
That's a crazy thing to say and just not true.
Djay

04 Mar 2013 20:22:32
Ed001, jonjo shelvy, do you think he has a future at Lfc?
I personally dont, can be not headed and shows immaturity at the higher end of the pitch.

Big Al {Ed001's Note - he played well, until his sending off against United, since then he has looked completely off the pace and his head doesn't seem right. I think his major problem is more the other young players that also play in his positions. I don't see how he offers any more than Coady in central midfield or Adorjan or Suso behind the striker, for instance. He is running out of time to cement a place, before he will have to move on for regular football.}

Texxeria the player to watch out for!

He is miles better than coady and Adorjan. Neither of them will make it to the first team regularly

He certainly has heart and appears to be well-liked amongst players and staff. However, I think his problems are mainly his atrocious first touch, decision making, and his incredibly poor movement. He is rarely in the right spot, makes poor decisions on the ball, and he looks slow and lacks balance. He just moves awkwardly and clumsy and I can't remember any player in a red shirt with such a poor touch. Unfortunately at the stage of development he is currently at, first touch almost never improves. It's difficult to be an effective attacker of any type without basic touch or dribbling ability. I think we should be looking to move him on or at a stretch redevelop him in a defensive midfield role as he is certainly not afraid to go all out in tackle. That though would be problematic because of his history of rash decisions. Hendo and Allen each have twice the ability Shelvey has.

If he's that poor why is he our fourth top scorer?

He is one of the most promising young cm's in the league and just because he's had a dip in form all of a sudden he's allegedly rubbish. That sort of attitude really shows how fickle some fans are, first half of season he was the next Gerrard now he should be sold, poor first touch, movement etc etc.

Get off the lads back.


Fester

We're a 1 man team

04 Mar 2013 19:39:47
Hi eds, I sympathise with you on these loons going mental over the financial losses, they don't understand that were doing well.

Anyway, I was more interested if any of you could tell me who Liverpools genuine targets are for the summer, and whether any investment is being put into the youth teams. Are we buying young players but not hearing about it, or are we simply not buying any at all?

Thanks,

Anonymous woolback {Ed002's Note - I cannot answer about the youth teams, but those players we know Liverpol has shown an interest in are goalkeepers, defenders and wide players. As discussed at some length.}

04 Mar 2013 20:27:24
It's clear we as a club need to continue to grow on and off the pitch. In terms of our revenues, surely signing someone of keisuke Honda would help us in both these departments. 1 he's a quality player, and 2 the extra revenue in shirt sales in Asia would also be a great benefit for the club.

We do not receive income from shirt sales!

It would help us tap into the lucrative Asian markets.

Yeah, if we want to get at the serious money why don't we try and sign Taylor Swift, or maybe Lady Ga Ga - they're popular everywhere!

We do receive income from shirt sales I believe. Under Adidas we didn't. {Ed002's Note - The money from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer, the distributor and the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Adidas, Warrior, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web).}

In my humble opinion, I think we have penetrated the Asian market a long time ago, we were the pioneers at that. We have a great fan base out here in Asia, and it's been this way for awhile. We may need to look at strengthening the base though, fair bit of competition now with the advent of technology.

scarfayce

04 Mar 2013 19:33:44
conor coady is a beast!

ACHILLES.

What score is the u 21 match. thanks.

04 Mar 2013 20:53:58
Finished 1-1 pal kristian adorjan the scorer jonjo with the assist but SUSO was out of this world he's took his game to another level dribbling 5-6 players at a time and passing as movement was top notch.

ACHILLES.

Finished 1-1. The boys played well in the second half.

The Irish Rover

Watched the 2nd half of the u21's tonight and Coady is one player that I'm a little disappointed in. Thought he had the potential to push on and make it a few years ago, but he seems to have stagnated. He's 20 years old now and you'd have to say he's well down the pecking order of midfielders. I think I would like to see him developed into a DM specialist in the Lucas position to see if he can hang on at LFC otherwise find a loan for him, but I think he may not be quite up to snuff. i'd love to be proven wrong here but.

Thanks for the reply

I believe the same goes for Adam Morgan he has gone right off his game so disapointed in him last night he is strugling in the under 21s really can't see him making it a LFC long term to be honest the sitter he missed should of gave us a platform to win the game instead southampton went the other end and scored as for susso ye he did take on 5 or 6 of their players but his end product was poor in most occasions except great ball for morgans missed chance but he has a good future at lfc as for texira this young man has the potential to be a top top player has nearly everything in his locker I think he just needs to work on his body strength but can see him breaking in to first team in near future the only thing I would point out about susso and texira is they are very simular in style as for shelvey this lad has the potential to be a very good player but he needs to get some first team games under his belt I would lend him out for a season hate to see us sell him cause he will come good

04 Mar 2013 19:31:22
Had a chat today with utd. Fan who was gushing about gigs and said there is no nobody like him and never will be. I said Gerrard and he said 'no' because Gerrard was threatened when he was going to go to Chelsea and that's why he stayed. (I've heard this myth before) and he was tempted to go even though he did not.

Anyway, I was thinking about this and thought, giggs cannot be called out for loyalty. Lots of medals, yes. Incredible fitness, yes. Consistency, yes. Loyalty, NO!

Think about it, how many times where utd. Offered Mage bucks for giggs? He lived in Ronald's shadow for a while. And, the only way you can test loyalty is when you stay in a team, not because they are successful, but because you want to stay and make whatever difference you can. when has giggs ever been tempted to leave utd over the last 20 years because he was in a weak team that will not challenge for the premiership! It pains me to say but utd have been the best team in England the last 20 years.

It's like being married to the most beautiful woman in the world and getting tempted to go off with a minger! It's hardly being loyal if you say no!

Concolusion - There's no body like Gerrard in the prem, never will be for a long time!

What about Carragher?

Sorry mate but Giggs is a fantastic professional and deserves a bit of recognition for it, as you say he hasn't always got the games he wanted due to ronaldo etc and for most professionals that's enough to abandon ship. He's stuck it out and clocked up 1000 appearances he deserves a bit of respect for that alone, no need to turn it into a pissing contest between united and us or comparing Gerrard and giggs as both are legends of the game and deserve equal respect.

Giggs is a slimey wee rubbish

I agree, and if you read my comment I said giggs is and has been incredible player, but, I had a utd. fan shouting me down because I said Gerrard deserves the same credit and he disagreed. That's when I though that you have to give Gerrard credit for being loyal in a team that's struggled for the majority of the time to compete with utd for championships. I'm sorry, it's not hard to be loyal when you're playing in the most successful team in the last 20 years. and, yes, part of the success is down to Giggs. But, you can give giggs all the plaudits he deserves but don't tell me Gerrard doesn't deserve some credit! That utd fan does not!

The utd fan was focusing on loyalty and he said Gerrard has not been loyal to Liverpool and my argument is gerrard has been more loyal than giggs!

And yes, myself and the utd fan agreed on carra! All 3 are legends!

Just ask giggsys brother about loyalty. YNWA
Jamesy

04 Mar 2013 21:10:43
what a stupid post, giggs is a legend mate and so is gerrard but every club has its legends and to say there is no one like gerrard and never will be is a bit daft because yes there have been many greats and afraid to say united have had a lot ov them. stop trying to compare things with united, they are a great club and so are we but we need to focus on where we are atm because we are along way of the top and may be for a while

Matt Le Tissier showed what loyalty was about. He could have played at any team he wanted yet stayed with Southampton

Ok, fair point but I was just defending my own against an arrogant, pompous utd. fan who calls Liverpool fc a has been. I guess I was trying to readdress his inability to recognise Gerrard as quality.

Hey there was no one more loyal than cally spent all of his best years at LFC and he could of played till he was forty with LFC but it was not the done thing then how loyal was giggs to his home country Wales injured most matches but available for united on the sat giggs is a class player no two ways about that but he soiled his reputation with the incident with his brothers wife as for gerrard he will be a legened at the end of his playing days if he is not already o and tommy smith another legend in more ways than one

In regards to Giggs (a sore subject for me) the only loyalty he ever showed was to Utd and Ferguson.
I'm Welsh and he never truly put in a performance for his, my country. I'd be screaming from the stands for him to make runs, move into space, create angles, only to hear that it wasn't his fault but the other players wern't on his wave length! WTF! 64 caps for his country should have been 100+. I keep hearing Giggs was the best Welsh player ever, well he was the best Welsh player to ever play for Utd, but Bale has already shown more on the pitch for his country in half the games. He's no Rushie. Rant over.

Kez

04 Mar 2013 19:16:56
got a feeling alonso will have one last stab at winning the prem with us he's won everything worth winning in world football now just one last swansong with his beloved Liverpool get him on a free transfer next season and I reckon we could just go all out to win the prem were certainly capable of putting in a good effort to do it without any champs league footy to distract us

04 Mar 2013 21:14:03
Been a long tym ma gud friend, were u in a different planet?

04 Mar 2013 19:00:03
I feel compelled to stir the pot with some obvious nonsense:

Liverpool to swap Carroll for Torres in the summer.

Chelsea are desperate to get rid of Torres because he's pathologically unable to stop whining in training & the dressing room (think along the lines of a scolded puppy), and their preferred option, which is to part exchange for Falcao, is off because Falcao thinks Athletico could win La Liga with a bit of luck if they keep their current team together, and thus wants to stay for at least one more season. And no one is prepared to stump up any sort of transfer fee and £100k+ a week in wages for Torres, so straight out selling him is not an ideal option.

Carroll on the other hand has no future whatsoever at Liverpool and thinks he can make it at Chelsea to replace Drogba as the 'big man' up top. The Liverpool heirarchy reckon they'll end up having to pay a portion of Carroll's wages if he leaves for Newcastle or West Ham which will eat into the transfer fee (which will be relatively modest anyway). And Torres is so desperate to return to Liverpool, he'll take a wage cut to approximately the same as Carroll (£70-80k down from £150k) which he won't take to join any other club. Therefore both Rodgers and FSG feel they don't have a lot to lose and if Torres rediscovers even half of his peak form, he'd be very hard pressed to not score with Suarez and Coutinho providing the ammo. Therefore the swap solves problems for both clubs.

Watch this space :D.

Carroll the new Drogba, ahaha. Torres will go back to Spain this summer and Carroll may go back to Newcastle but I can't see them paying any price near £18 million.

FowlerGod.

Pass us one of those Jamaican Woodbines you're smoking and a pint of whatever your drinking.

I'd rather keep Carroll personally, I think he was unfairly treated annd would give us a plan b, something we've been lacking in some games.

Plus Sturridge and Suarez seem to be becoming quite in tune with each other so why ruin what appears to a blossoming partnership, I'd rather keep Sturridge fit and save the wages for somewhere else like cb.

04 Mar 2013 20:33:02
chelsea plays football with feet. not with head.
carroll. will run like a headless cheicken with mata, hazard and oscar.

If the choice was Carroll or Torres I'd take Andy all day every day

That comment about the Jamaican woodbines. You sir, are a comedy genius.

04 Mar 2013 18:42:56
Hey guys if only we best aston villa, west brom home (which we should of) and beaten arsenal, man city we would of been 4th right now so guys we not million miles away. Can't wait to play spurs YNWA.

Lfc fan from Cardiff.

I don't know about aston villa, but would have definitely beaten West Brom, and the 2 points against Everton where the ref did not allow a legitimate goal to stand.

mgz

If we beat all the teams we've played we'd be top

If, buts and maybes don't win you anything. The table doesn't lie

04 Mar 2013 18:18:49
Hey Ed's, just wondering about Assaidi. He's looked pretty good when he has played but seems like Rodgers doesn't really rate him that much. Will he be moved on in the summer? Or kept to fill in squad numbers? Or even used a potential player exchange? {Ed001's Note - he had a few niggling injuries and struggled to settle in initially, give him time.}

I think he has always looked a handful when he has played, I'm hopeful about him, hope he doesn't leave

04 Mar 2013 17:56:36
I had a dream last night that xabi Alonso scored the winner at old trafford and took his shirt off to reveal a YNWA underneath {Ed002's Note - Damp bedding?}

Haha Nice one Ed


RD

More like sticky bedding.

Damn you golden sky, I've got pants now!

04 Mar 2013 21:15:27
seeing as it was a dream why didn't you make it really unrealistic and make it Liverpool competing in the champions league

04 Mar 2013 17:52:28
Question for the Eds: If we were interested in Honda and he was willing to come? (I think it's a no brainer ability wise) but you guys will have a better idea about his wage expectation/demands, would it be possible? {Ed002's Note - We have no interest in discussing wages Kidmillions, sorry.}

Eds and Reds,
Instead of asking how much money would it cost with wages etc.
Could you answer whether it's likely that Liverpool could get Honda? {Ed002's Note - How many times has this been answered? But still. Liverpool were very interested at one time but may have blown their chance of Honda in January 2011 when he was available for about £8M. During the mid-season in Russia, Wolfsburg and Juventus were interested in Honda but the player said he wanted to move to Spain and the 25M euro asking price put them off. Last summer we saw enquiries for the player have been from Lazio, PSG, Sevilla and Palermo. It seems to be the longest running of the Liverpool (and Arsenal) related "rumours". Honda was close to leaving last summer with a move to Lazio only failing at the last minute and I understand that Lazio would still be interested at the right price. He has had a bit of a strange season in that he has been scoring goals but his performances have been criticised - which seems to have put off Dortmund who have taken a recent look. Valencia have shown interest recently and would like to have him sign a pre-contract in the summer but I imagine the player will wish to see what options are available. I am told that interest also remains from PSG.}

04 Mar 2013 17:48:45
Ed002 u have said that the summer spending this summer will largely be funded by sales but not entirely? could u just give some sort of figure as to what net spend you expect. eg 0-10m 10-20, 20m+ cheers {Ed002's Note - It is not worth mentioning numbers, sorry. It simply causes confusion and a myriad of DF questions.}

04 Mar 2013 17:18:56
Ed what is this 120 million refiniancing deal the club has made, and will we see much better results for the next finiancial year? {Ed002's Note - There is no point trying to explain the figure - people are already confused.}

04 Mar 2013 17:06:27
All this talk about finances, and we forget to talk about football. Let us concentrate on the pitch, because if that is good, then we won't need to worry about finances. Yes, transfers depend on the finances of the club, but as the Eds have already said, we will sell to buy from now on anyway, so don't get confused with these headlines.

04 Mar 2013 17:03:46
Hi Eds,

Regarding the debt statement today. Is it fair to assume that the wage bill has decreased significantly since that period?

Should we expect a more encouraging statement this time next year?

Thanks. {Ed001's Note - yes, the losses were mostly hang overs from the H&G era and it will take time to right the ship.}

It was fsg that bought downing Henderson and fsg say downing and Henderson transfers are to blame so I don't agree with u ed sorry! {Ed002's Note - I suspect that the Ed might have been referring to purchases made back in the day whilst H&G were in change that then needed to be paid off the accounts - Aquilani, Degen, El Zhar etc.. The wages are down about 15% or so.}

That's not what the club say ed sorry I hate to disagree!

04 Mar 2013 16:59:51
Please stop over analysing the so called debt. It's not yours or mine. The only thing we can do is support and back the product that is put on the pitch. That product has been very good as of late. When we get players in that fit the full ethos of the manager and can qualify for CL football then the financials will take care of itself. We are paying the price (on paper) of the shoddy decisions at the boardroom level since Rafa was let go. 2 managers and staffs were paid off and also the signings that were made and since shifted on. We are fairly lean today with the types of signings we've had under BR and while we will struggle to attract top names until we have CL football, we may not even entertain these types of signings moving forward. We have a healthy abundance of prospects coming through from the academy with more fruit to be harvested from there in the next 2-4 years. If they become the future core of the squad and we are clever in our other dealings then I think we will see ourselves as a club that can build from within for the most part. 20+ years of waiting is hard to take but I would gladly wait to have a McLaughlin, Rossiter, Ibe, Sterling, Suso, Sturridge, Saurez, Wisdom, Kelly, Coutinho type squad than some hyped up prima-donna 120K a week mercenaries that are short term fodder for Football Manager hacks. We love our local lads and these kids are seen as local as they came through the academy. I know we want to see Stevie win a title but now is the time to be smart about how we build the squad. I'm not saying that we don't need to sign a big name or two, but we have to do it right and not hinder the development of the youngsters coming through. The right salaries and contract terms are critical moving forward and we're good in that regard today.

Totally agree - you would have thought every Liverpool fan just got a bank statement saying they were 90 million in debt! If it was a surprise to the owners I would be worried, but I am sure they have a better handle on the finances of the club than you or me. Relax people.

04 Mar 2013 16:30:52
Hi everyone. Just a question - is Sturridge injured again? I did not see him around on Saturday.

Great job Eds.

KBL {Ed001's Note - yes, should be fit to face Spurs though.}

04 Mar 2013 16:20:44
Selling Suarez for any reason should be completely out the question. Under no circumstances should we consider selling our best player. It would achieve nothing and to me be another step backwards. The top scorer in the Prem should have a team built around him not be sold to pay off debts or to increase transfer funds. DBol

Simple but brilliant post. we would be labelled a selling club. to that effect a stepping stone club
5gold stars

Agreed. But then I'm 100% certain that Suarez will not be sold to service debt or fund transfers. Sales of other player might but the only way Suarez gets sold is if he pushes the issues. At the moment, he is worth his weight in gold to both the team growth and just as much to ticket sales and world wide marketing. He is an asset for LFC and FSG and they will keep him if he wants to stay.

04 Mar 2013 16:19:05
Hey guys hope you are all well. Personally I would be very happy if we signed Honda and a good C. B this summer aswell as replacing Reina if he decides to leave.
We have a good squad of young players on the books and plenty of good times ahead. Jaffer81

04 Mar 2013 16:06:15
Oh man. Where is allthe doom and gloom over the 'debt' coming from? I mean, the mancs prob pay more interes on their debt each year than our whole 'debt'! You don't see their supporters crying into theirs beers or wondering if they should sell Looney to pay the debt. C'mon.

I am no financial expert bur these things I do know.

1. Lots of passengers on fat paychecks have been moved out
2. Many new and improved sponsorship deals in place with possibly more to come
3. Stadium redevelopment will bring a lot more revenue over time
4. The football is getting goood and will get better as the young team grows together
5. Coutinho, sturridge and borini combined cost less than Caroll. Sigh.

My point is it takes time to turn things around. And it does seem much has been done to steer us in the right direction.

I mean, just a few years ago we were a crappy aging team half a billion in debt!

I miss those days - Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen, Aqualani, N'gog, El Zhar,,, NOT!

Come on guys, we can afford to relax and smile a bit now b4 we potentially breakout into huge grins the next 2 or 3 years.

My humbke opinion. :)

Singapore Red

04 Mar 2013 16:01:02
Just to move the focus away from figures. There are games in the season which are pivotal, of huge importance and can define the season for a team and manager. The Spurs game is one of those in my opinion. We have been so unlucky in some of our games (WBA) but this league is about points. We have been having a good run and scoring easily BUT the opposition has been poor. This is another huge test on how far or if we have advanced. I believe we have, it would be a massive massive boost to our confidence if we bet Spurs. i'm sick of them! C'mon the pool. ps Suarez WILL definately stay next season.

04 Mar 2013 14:04:42
hi ed001, I seen a post up here one day about Marcelo Bielsa and how you believed he was the best coach in world football. Who do you think are the top10 best coaches in the world at the minute and what do you think of Rodgers' coaching ability?
Thanks.
IrishRed94 {Ed001's Note - I really don't know who the top 10 best coaches are in the world at the moment. Though I would put Borrell in contention, Dario Gradi too, he really deserves so much more credit than he gets. For a similar reason to Bielsa, both get lower level players and improve them technically. Borrell, on the other hand, has had a very high quality of player to work with, but he also improves them and makes them better. I like the guy we brought in from Spurs, Inglethorpe, he is a damn good coach. There are some good coaches working at the Glenn Hoddle Academy as well, they are beginning to bring through some good technical players. It must be remembered that the players they have to work with are those not considered good enough by league clubs. It is a very difficult thing to judge, because a lot depends on the quality of players they have to work with. Southampton have a fantastic academy, their coaches are doing great work, but they have the pick of the talent from their region, with little competition for the best players. Whereas Crewe, for instance, have to pick up the players who are not good enough to get in Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Everton, Stoke etc etc academies. So their coaching has to be top class to get so many good players out, whereas we already have talented players and often only have to improve their tactical awareness to get them ready.
As for Rodgers, I think it will be a while before it is possible to judge his coaching, he needs a settled spell at one club to judge. It takes time to improve players through coaching, especially at this level.}

Tony Pullis;-)

04 Mar 2013 15:33:46
I might sound abit doom and gloom but are some of you guys geniunely suprised that we have the debt we have?

I mean, what the hell were you expecting. We have no Champions League football and still been one of the biggest spenders in world football.

I tell you what though, if Liverpool were run by some of the Matmatical geniuses on here with their INS, OUTS NETT SPEND wish lists, then we'd be joining the likes of Portsmouth and Leeds.

Apples '96'

04 Mar 2013 16:39:27
Mate your missing the point when john w henry took the club he promised that Fsg are against debt and that will never happen at Liverpool.

If you see our transfer a lot of money has been recouped by selling our players so I don't see any problem there!


The big problem is whenever John or werner have said something they have never followed it in fact they haven't been true to their words, werner is big example he gives big, big interviews without even thinking, Liverpool can compete with the best that was the the foolish thing to say ever

Well maybe as fans we shouldn't be so naive to hang on every promise the board have given.

I wish we could bring back the days where all the board were there for is to sign the cheques. There's to much exposure and coverage in football which invites people with no financial knowledge to to have a opinion based on 'reported' figures etc.

The fans are here to support their club, not act as financial controllers. Whilst I accept we all worry from time to time, what can we do about dolving the clubs debts?

Maybe FSG's problem is that they are too interactive with the fans and media?

Apples '96'

04 Mar 2013 14:25:45
I have to say that I have been laughing at some people on here completely freaking out because we have added some more debt to the books. First the books released are a seasonal year not from Jan to Dec, but August to April which means some revenue from TV rights and sponsorship deals won't be counted. Plus we had spent a lot of trying to see which way to redevelop Anfield.

This isn't surprising at all plus we have a credit line like most businesses have its the normal thing to do as your money doesn't just come into the bank account in one lump some and we need to spend at slow months in the year so the debt will bounce up and down the whole time. plus this is last years books where we spend stupid money on average players and are still paying off those transfers. Plus we make roughly £185 million a year with only £80 mill debt most clubs would wish to have figures like that! {Ed002's Note - You are confused about "the books" as you call them.}

Plus I would also like to point out that the £25million a year we get from Warrior sports is not added into these books. Plus probably loads more sponsorship deals so we are probably going to break even this year and hoping onwards and upwards next. {Ed002's Note - You need to slow down on this - the Warrior deal is worth about £12M more than the then extant deal.}

04 Mar 2013 15:18:14
ed. why don't you post a simple line to the people who are confused ". we are running at a loss of 50 mill per year. and will continue unless we are in Cl. " {Ed002's Note - But that is not true.}

If I am confused please put me straight Ed002 as that's how I was looking at them, you are right and I got a little carried away in my thought process and that would be £12mill more but £12mill is a lot of money. My whole point was people are saying we are losing so much money and really its not that bad. {Ed002's Note - In the season in question Liverpool lost £1M per week. The club is still suffering heavy losses due to the investment in players this season. It will be better next season.}

Ok I see where I went wrong the credit line is something different and I shouldn't have just thrown that in. but didn't FSG give the club a 0% loan and need to get that paid back? {Ed002's Note - No, it is not as simple as that - you seem very confused.}

Ha ha ed002. Your worst nightmare. I bet you never seen this coming?

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I am now trying to establish if we have a trend here IR. So, as a Liverpool supporter, do you find yourself becoming confused all of the time? If yes, do you find yourself bumping in to things as you move about?}

04 Mar 2013 18:45:16
to LFC420

{Ed002's Note - In the season in question Liverpool lost £1M per week. The club is still suffering heavy losses due to the investment in players this season. It will be better next season. }

is this fine with you. we are suffering heavy losses due to bad investement.

04 Mar 2013 14:00:45
Liverpool are 10 points away from equalling last seasons total points tally with 30 points still yet to play for. Progression.

04 Mar 2013 14:11:21
Liverpool have reportedy loss over 50 mill. in 2012.

progression?

oh common you don't care about the owners don't you?

Yeah but I bet the poster above me wouldn't be able to tell you anything about our finances only the headline he read in the paper. maybe do some research and see why we posted a loss and maybe you won't have a dig at the owners. It was to be expected (the books). god people are making way to much out of the loss. I think I need to stop coming on here for a couple days as the revenue thing is going to get old quickly.

Boring! Just let the debt crap go! No one flipping cares just get on with the football

04 Mar 2013 13:50:36
ed with Liverpool posting accounts which show big losses an the redevelopment of anfield costing well over 100 million do you think the club will look to sell the naming rights to help fund it now {Ed002's Note - It will have no impact on the naming rights issue - I see that as entirely separate.}

04 Mar 2013 13:35:50
Ed please post this.

Would fans be happy or fine if FSG sell suarez to pay off our debts?
with almost no CL for another one more year.
missing almost 40 mill in CL revenue. + extra income through other deals

I know its the worst news we could ever hear. But afterall. running our beloved club is always biiger than suarez or any individual player.

Some horrible signings has cost us. to this dramatic point

caroll 35, downing 20, henderson 16, allen 18 mill.
thats 90 mill. spend. My god.

future might looks bright. But what about the creeping debt.

arsenal still in CL. no much in comings. and 17, 8 mill profit with 123 mill cash reserves in bank.

and that's just the reason wenger is still fav of the owners.

KK was and still legend as as football player.

But that one year. on the name of rebuild. we just landed in serious trouble.

Now pls. don't call me negative. this is a reality check.

fans said. BR is a small manger to manage a big club like Liverpool.
this what happens when big clubs fails terrible in transfer dealings.

Sincere Opinions and suggestions expected.

harry scousser
ynwa {Ed002's Note - There is no suggestion that Suarez will be sold to pay off debts.}

Your post is all over the place.

04 Mar 2013 13:55:28
yes. but if you are business owner. and you need to reduce the debt or pay the debt.
what would you do. resize. or layoff. or sell your assets. and suarez is the only player who could fetch atleast 50 mill pounds in current form.
and if they invest 20 mill from it to purchase and 30 mill to pay the debt. ?

thats possible right?

neither downing or caroll would give us anyhting substantially.

fans here are only worried about the way we play. goals. skertel. coates. and future.

no one actually have any idea. how does the money comes from US.
some feels. its printed.

I feel for the owner. time and time again they just had one step. that's CL. first and they challenge the title.

3 years and we couldnt. and some wants FSG out.

People are patiened enough to give allen and borin 3 years to prove themself.
But none are worried about the creeping debt and loss some individuals are bearing known as FSG.

harry scousser
ynwa {Ed002's Note - You would do best to ignore all of the financial discussion - it seems to be confusing people again. There is nothing whatesoever in these accounts that is a surprise. The "debt" is not something for you to concern yourself over.}

You sir, Are an person. You think the club should sell Suarez and not invest any of the money back into the squad. First you are daft to think we could get Champions League next year without Suarez (so no more money coming in next year) and just paying off 40Mil from the debt won't solve the problem because LFC would take on more debt next year with continued no Champs League.

Only long term solution is to stay the course with smart transfers and building the team around Suarez into perennial contenders and Champs League qualifiers.

There is little to no point talking finances on the forum's.
I suggest you all concentrate on supporting the team and leave the finance part out of it.
No good comes out by posting something you been reading with out any knowledge or understanding of finances.
It makes more sense if we just support the team.
I don't mean to offend anyone but finances shouldn't be our priority.

Stoffe {Ed002's Note -

04 Mar 2013 14:15:29
I am sorry for the post.
lets not talk about the finances. let's support our team.
so what's the news with skertel, agger?
new cb?. allen hitting the stats?
and how much money can we expect from owners in coming summer?. 30-40 and then.

excuse me. sorry I can't see my club in debt.
I am not in much int finance or accounts.

But blindly I can't slate owners anymore.
I wouldn't mind if they don't provide any penny.

sell the flops, raise the money. and buy whom you want with in the wage.
simple.

wenger does that. and still in CL.

04 Mar 2013 13:34:14
anyone else think how important the derby game against everton will be!
bhav

When is it ever not important?

What a silly post. Derby biggest league game of the season for me, always will be

04 Mar 2013 13:13:57
Helllo everyone.
People have started to identify the summer in comings.

we are in debt. need to clear that.

FSG might sell some of our best players.

We haven't not been in debt! Why do people see this time as different? Lot of businesses operate with a loss and see it as a totally seperate thing to th running of the club. Liverpool is being run as a business as it should at the too an business models take decades to fully be implemented. It's like the governments borrowing to later grow? Some of you need to do some research before going so crazy. FSG are sensible enough to not let this effect on the field issues. Selling our players is a quick fix, keeping them and getting into Europe as well as progressing in cups is a better long term model, come on let's just focus on the next game? Sam

04 Mar 2013 13:09:30
If we are looking at any Swansea defender to replace Carrager, then we should look no further than Chico. That guy is pretty solid at 6ft 2 and is only 25, unlike Williams who's already nearing 29 and is a persona non grata at Anfield, having publicly declared Suarez an enemy.

Chico, Agger, De Vrij and Kelly should sort our centre back if we are looking to move on Skrtel. Wisdom should go out on loan.

Then Diame for me is a must this summer. Another decent midfielder with pace, power and who can dribble and create chances foor just under 4m.

Finally, we should try to sign Mertens for right wing and another striker, Heung Min Son to improve our squad and replace Borini.

Flog Borini to Fiorentina and sell Assaidi if you won't even bring him on in a game we are. Winning 4 -0 with 30 minutes left to play as I imagine his wages alone can serve a better purpose for us than paying him to warm our bench.

As someone said below, there is no need having players on our payroll who aren't contributing to move us forward.

That should be Chico 10m, De Vrij 10m, Mertens 12m, Diame 4m and Son 12m. Total 48m

Out
Skrtel 12m
Coates 5m
Assaidi 3m
Carrol 15m
Spearing 1m
Borini 8m
Total 44m

Net Spend 48m - 44m = 4m.

Very realistic and would improve our team.

Chico is crap i'd rather take djimi traore back

£8M for Borini and £5M for Coates - maybe on FIFA. get real

04 Mar 2013 13:59:08
a season of injury. 1 goal in 11 games.
apart from Liverpool which unfortuantly we are. no one will pay 8 mill for this man.

All these big lads are forever injured.
the bigger they are the more awkward and ungainly they are and the harder they fall.
Give me a solid 5. 11/6ft defender that can jump and head a ball properly anyday.

04 Mar 2013 14:41:34
OMG. what a list.
skertel. can fetch around 10-12 mill. which is realistic.

coates 5mill?. y. because we paid 7 mill to bring in?

caroll 15 mil. 2 goals all seaosn. for a side. who doesn't have a striker at all.

borni 8 mill?. seems we might have to pay 8 mill to get him out.

Assaidi.3 mil. why do u need to sell him?

I sincerely hope that it's not Chico time!

04 Mar 2013 13:01:21
Fsg are clearly in over their heads. Why buy a club if you can't afford to run it! Another bunch of yonks that don't have a clue that is not a small ammount of debt that's a lot! Now we have to sell players i'm sure they would sell our best players if clubs come in for them. Time for fsg to go back to rounders!

Why are you blaming the owners?
It's not their fault Kenny & DC over paid by £90m on average players. I love King Kenny but I will never forgive him for wasting all our money on a pub team.

Theba300

04 Mar 2013 13:38:00
what stuppid are you writing mate.
we are 80 mill lose due to some stuppid purchases and failed flops. and no CL.

money is not printed in FSG wearhouse.
nonsense is this post.

A club becomes successful when it wins the medals. but that's on the pitch.

A successful club is when its run perfectly and recieves the income to run the business

FSG took a gamble to put it frankly. They would come in remove the acquisition debt to lower interest payments and they would expand the commercial side of things, expand the stadium and try to achieve top four status which would open up other revenue streams. I doubt they thought they would need to plough as much money in as they have done, but the targets can still be achieved if the Liverpool fans are patient. Missing out on the top four will be a massive blow as they are reliant on that money if the club is ever to break-even or become profitable. It's a bit of a catch 22 position in the sense that they need to achieve a top four position to help the finances, but they may need to spend more to achieve it which will damage the finances in the short-term at least. It's about getting the balance right and KD didn't help by wasting a good £130m on poor signings.

Disney!

Welcome to Liverpool rumours Yoda!

04 Mar 2013 12:37:09
We have the top scorer in the league and joint top assister. Clearly are issues aren't in attack, especially with us just signing a blessed No10 Coutinho and a natural goal scorer in Sturridge. Also, let's not forget, we have the likes of Texiera and Ibe to come through aswell!

If we can bring in a top class defender and a goalkeeper in the summer, i'd be more than happy with that. Personal prefferences would be Howedes and Mignolet.

We certainly are not far away from becoming a consistant top 4 team again in my eyes.

Apples '96'

We need another defensive/holding midfielder too. Lucas is there of course, but we need cover for him and someone to add additional midfield steel when Lucas is playing against certain teams. Here's an idea. converting Henderson to that role the same way Lucas was converted from offensive to defensive midfield. He has the work rate and the strength clearly. And it would make him more of a complete player of the kind Rodgers likes, not to mention the box to box player with defensive, creative and offensive skills that could eventually take over the Gerrard role at the right time. And it would free up space for Coutinho, Sterling, Suso & Texeira to develop with more playing time. Just an idea.

04 Mar 2013 12:31:34
Just a little reminder to Waro, Ozone ect: You have not supported the team at all this season - all you have done is come up with conspiracy stories and moans. The team has shown that they have what it takes to play great football and this season has been a success thus far in building for a stronger campaign next year.

Well done to the team for shutting people like you up for a bit.

Fowler99

My god you are such a person. People have a right to ther own opinion. We have won 2 bpl games against easy teams start talking when we beat spurs and get above everton. Honestly fans like you are what's wrong with this club.

Antrim Red

Also you say they have not supported the team all season. That is completely wrong just because they support the team in a different way than you doesn't mean they don't support the team.

At least they don't sit there and just accept defeat after defeat because the club actually means something to them because it hurts them when we lose. Unlike you it seems.

Sorry eds for the double post but it just get me mad when fans act like little kids.

Antrim Red

Acting like a kid is moaning about everything for the sake of moaning. Kinda like what you are doing, everyone accepted this was going to be a difficult season but you guys just moan and moan and I'm not sure who it helps. Even if we do lose to Spurs our progress can't be overlooked. You'll now probably claim we beat lesser sides, last season we didn't have a prayer against these lesser sides but you'll overlook that as well looking for something to moan about kinda like the debt. The same debt we all know about, so something else? Oh, Joe Allen is a good one. What about the loss of Luis Suarez despite him still being a Liverpool player but our moaners are quite gifted they'll moan and spread negativity and call it supporting the team in a different way. Yeah, right. Just continue moaning and we'll try our best to support our team

They support there team by belittling the manager and owner constantly? Isn't that the exact opposite of support. So if I went to court and the prosecution was cross examining me would I then define that as support?

It hurts us all when we lose, we get up and try again not try and point blame at different aspect of the club with mad theories.

04 Mar 2013 14:14:17
Although I partly agree with what you say antrim, what choice does any of us have but to 'Accept the defeats?'

I don't really see what point you're trying to make. Your still a fan, so does that mean your accepting the defeats too?

And you mention Waro/Ozone being entitled to their opinions, which is totally correct, but Fowler gets his opinion too, that seems to be lost on you.

04 Mar 2013 14:14:17
Although I partly agree with what you say antrim, what choice does any of us have but to 'Accept the defeats?'

I don't really see what point you're trying to make. Your still a fan, so does that mean your accepting the defeats too?

And you mention Waro/Ozone being entitled to their opinions, which is totally correct, but Fowler gets his opinion too, that seems to be lost on you.

Hyperbole Fowler99. let's see were we are at the end of the season. We are still 7th, no great shakes and meekly out of all the cups. Not brilliant by any standards. So to go and start slagging of posters is a bit pre mature to say the least. what's happens if it all goes tits up for the rest of the sesson? We all have point of view! Its how we express them that's the difference.

The Irish Rover

C'mon lads let's knock this kiddy playground nonsense on the head for a day at least? People have different opinions, let's not get menstral about it.

davethebutcher

04 Mar 2013 11:55:52
How are we still in a huge debt EDs? Does it mean FSG just bought the club and took bank loans to run it or what.

I think this is becoming a little embarrassing. So if our owners spend money on their club, they call it inter company loan? What happens to all the revenues like Matchday receipts, sponsorship deals and TV money we have been raking in and which was supposed to make us self financing?

If you say this debt covers only the peroid when we signed Henderson, Adam, Downing, Enrique and Coates then this is a bit understandable. But my worry lies in the fact that our owners don't seem to have their personal money set aside for investment without plunging us into debt through inter-company loans and making it look like we are debt ridden.

Anyway, whether we are debt ridden or not is their issue to sort out as long as they are truly here for the long haul and they make money available for transfers.

Just hope we don't go on wasting money on players who won't improve us anymore.

We have been brutal in the past, spending 75m on Carrol, Downing and Henderson, who were not worth more than 25m combined. Hope we have learnt. {Ed002's Note - I would not worry unduly about this debt, some of it is simple working debt related to outstanding transfer fees and agent fees, some is related to a loan which the owners made to the club through a separate company (UKSV Holdings) and the rest is in the form of a bank loan. If the owners were to sell the company today all of this debt would be cleared and they would make less for their asset (the club and business). The money from matchday receipts, sponsorship deals and TV money etc. goes to running the club - and the club is running at a loss. As for future spending it will be controlled withing certain financial contraints - which means that significant purchases will need to be covered by sales. There is nothing new in these accounts and nothing that should be a surprise if you have been following what has been said on these pages.}

04 Mar 2013 11:51:29
hi eds I am tired of hearing that gerrard is past it, yes he is getting older but has so much ability that he can still more than hold his own in the team, I like to think could he get in other teams and yes most clubs would bite our hands off for him. this cannot be said about the rest of the squad but as long as they play as a team they do not all have to be world beaters. we have the players to improve again next season and only need to improve a few positions to again challenge at the top. the big problem that I see is stadium capacity and hopefully that will be sorted soon as we need the revenue to be really successful.

ray. 3037

Gerrard would get into any team.

The only ones who think Gerrard is past it are those LFC fans who want to vent their frustration and Gerrard is a natural choice for their fury.

Sad but true!

04 Mar 2013 11:35:44
All of you people that think Honda will sign a pre-contract, your wrong, he's contract runs out December 2014, therefore he will only be able to sign a pre-contract in the summer of 2014, also I'm hearing kyriakos papadopoulos is being line up to replace skrtel.

Cheers,

Matt YNWA

04 Mar 2013 10:48:30
Eds do yo think Liverpool could go into liquidation under fsg? And is there parties interested in buying Liverpool who have a long interest? Cheers

Al {Ed002's Note - Liverpool will not be going in to liquidation.}

Is there interested parties to takeover? Somebody with money to throw at us so we don't worry about our losses as such! I asked the question because tabloids are saying we are in the red {Ed002's Note - No, there isn't a sugar daddy waiting to throw money at the club right now. I would recommend you not reading the tabloids about anything financial. If you have been reading these pages there is nothing unexpected in these accounts at all.}

My God! " is their someone to throw money at the club so we don't have to worry about debt"

Classic

Lyndon

You really shouldn't listen to the tabloids when accounts are released, they really are clueless when it comes to football finances. Swiss Ramble on Twitter is pretty good with this stuff. There isn't anything surprising about today's released figures. I wouldn't have hesitated to wind you up otherwise :0)

Disney!

Whenever someone talks about finances Disney will appear
ynwa

04 Mar 2013 10:26:48
About the debt. The debt is created by interest free loans which is usually the sign of an investor. Essentially, its FSG setting up an inter company loan (between their companies) to finance the purchases of players in January and I'm sure the same will be done this summer. This is what a lot of fans have been calling for so anyone who sees this as a negative is purely falling victim to the journalists putting a spin on the story.

Paul {Ed002's Note - I think you have misunderstood something Paul. Only £22M for this year and £20M for next falls in to that catefory. There is a £70M bank loan (of £120M available credit) sat in the accounts.}

So there is 120million pounds we have in reserve Eds? or have I totally missed something? If that is true I assume its for the redevelopment? {Ed002's Note - You missed something.}

04 Mar 2013 14:18:41
Is it basically a multi-millionaires version of an overdraft then Ed002? {Ed002's Note - Sort of. I remain surprised that anyone is shocked about the continued £1M per week losses - certainly any of the regulars.}

04 Mar 2013 10:14:38
Was nice to see the old pepe back between the sticks on sat. Hope he has turned a corner

RedLee

04 Mar 2013 10:11:41
Hi ed's i'm no expert on the financial running of our football club, but I'm worried by our debt levels. Will these figures have a major influence on our summer spending plans. {Ed002's Note - Don't equate the two. The summer spending will be managed within reasonable constraints and I suspect driven largely, although not entirely, by sales.}

So ed002 there's nothing to worry about in terms of these figures. {Ed002's Note - To put it another way, there is nothing unexpected in these figures - the club continued to lose £1M per week through that season and there is a note of future austerity in terms of spending on wages and transfers.}

04 Mar 2013 09:58:28
Al Habsi not so much but Mignolet is a superb goalkeeper, could easily play for someone a lot better than Sunderland.

Obviously I'd prefer Pepe keeping up his form and keeping him, but if not Mignolet would be a more than adequate replacement.

He would be costly though. I'd prefer ochoa as he would cost around 2-3 million and probably less wages.

Goalkeeper is not a position to mess around with in terms of low transfer fee/low wages.

Get the best choice possible.

Ochoa is just as good but cheaper. I'll take him

04 Mar 2013 09:35:05
guys your opinion on the accounts released this morning debt has gone up close to 100 million do we seriously go out and buy players or stick with what we've got and maybe sell a few players to trim the wage bill with financial fair play rules comeing in soon

jackothered {Ed002's Note - The accounts clearly state the intent of the owners and board regarding transfers - "the aim is to manage these costs withing financial constraints" which has been explained ad nauseum.}

04 Mar 2013 09:18:56
I think Allen should be sold asap he is the worst 15 million pound midfielder I have ever seen. In the Wigan game he had the ball on the half way line and managed to smash it out for a corner to Wigan. Championship players are better then him. I think we would play better with ten men. Instead of jonjo going I would prefer Allen going stoke he is crap. Borini is just as bad as is assadi they need to be moved on. I think we should sell them along with Carroll, Skrtel, pepe, and Morgan who is only at Liverpool because he is a local boy he is not there because he has quality just because he is local. Also spearing and Flanagan will never be any better than championship players they should be moved on. We need to improve the squad not just the first team and these players are just not good enough. Peps having one good game in 3 years ain't going to make me change my mind. Skrtel needs to go he's mistakes have cost us vital points and slating Rogers last week was the icing on the cake.

04 Mar 2013 10:34:23
I am sure you are not a Liverpool Fan.
nevertheles. some points are valid.
I am still not happy with allen. and borini.
but assaidi. common mate. he looks quality.
at 1, 5 mill. he cannot be a super man.

harryscousser
ynwa

OK, and have to replace all these players in one window? I'm sorry but this is not Fifa, real clubs aren't run that way except maybe QPR

Yeah bad mistake. but he played well apart from that

So apparently Henderson was rubbish in his first season but is now getting lots of plaudits. Yet Allen in his first season is rubbish but no one can apparently see that maybe he needs time to settle just like Henderson?

And personally i'm not one that subscribes to either being Rubbish. I actually thought Allen was excellent before Christmas.

04 Mar 2013 09:02:47
Ed with Chelsea still to play Liverpool and united away that could close the gap to 4 it could be still on if they loose some key players it's going to be close

04 Mar 2013 08:25:06
honda would be my dream signing.
he is an excellent player. on any day.
he can play anywhere in the middle. up frnot. excellent freekick. cracking left foot.
the lad is pure quality.
also. mertens.
goals would bang in. from all the ends.
should we get both of them.
that will seal our attacking formation.

harryscousser
ynwa

Forget mertens and eriksen!

04 Mar 2013 08:23:49
I can't provide any definitive news on Alex Pearce but perhaps a bit of clarity. In Reading circles, among the fans and the local media, his being courted by LFC has been a topic of discussion for some considerable time, largely due to an ongoing contractual dispute with Reading (who it seems have failed to meet his demands) and which may have contributed to his irregular appearances for the Berkshire side.

Although still young, Pearce has something of a folk-hero status among the Reading faithful. He is their Carra. Leaving his technical abilities aside for the moment, he is very much seen as an inspirational leadership figure who never gives less than 100% and never stops fighting. He is also a "local boy". Characteristics that BR has openly said that he is looking for.
It is unlikely that he would have been as bullied by Oldham as Shaggy & Scooby were (Coates & Skrtel).

Whether he has the techniical ability to play as BR demands, I'm not sure, but you would have thought that BR would. He seems to struggle against real pace for example.

There remains a suspicion among Reading fans that our interrest has been overplayed as part of his contractual bargaining, but wthether that's just wishful thinking I don't know. {Ed002's Note - So Rodgers sees being a "local boy" as a benefit? Pearce is indeed a local boy, but to Reading - like Surridge is to Birmingham and Reina to Madrid.}

Ask anyone who was at Goodison on Saturday whether he has any technical ability. League 1 player at best.

04 Mar 2013 08:20:44
To Ed 002. What is your angle on Liverpool? You where argueing about Honda not being on a free this summer, which he is. and now your saying we are interested in wigans keeper. Not a chance we would get rid of reina for him. Posted this same post last night but didn't get printed? {Ed002's Note - It did get posted and as I explained if you could use the search function you would understand more about Al-Habsi.}

Hanman, Honda's contract expires on 31 December 2013, he is not, repeat not, available on a '' free '' this summer.

Obviously, most players in the Russian leagues have contracts that end in December, why do you have so much difficulty with this?

04 Mar 2013 07:19:48
Hi eds! Great site well. here is what I believe and I hope you can give me your point of view, is far along before the summer window but I think this are the real lfc targets are we going to get them? Please help!

Tom ince or hatem ben arfa or balasz dudjzack
ashley williams or benedikt howedes or dejan lovren
alex pearce or stefan de vrij or luke shaw
keisuke honda or christian eriksen or arda turan
burak yilmaz or emmanuel emenike or wilfried bony
guillermo ochoa or simon mignolet or ron zieler

Super fan! {Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts.}

04 Mar 2013 07:06:41
Come on LFC let's get Honda!!

Prefer German cars, myself.

04 Mar 2013 07:02:21
hi eds, coutinho is brilliant. the first time I watched the boy play, I knew he will be a star for us. sturridge, coutinho and suarez, unplayable. good times ahead. sa red

04 Mar 2013 06:08:36
I Love Skrtel but he can hit the bricks, Next year we'll have Agger, Kelly, Coates, Wisdom and whoever they decide to sign, De Vrij I'd assume. Imagine our year this year without all the horserubbish mistakes and bad calls. ?! Cityx2 should've been our 6 points, Arsenal-- 2nd game 2 dropped points. Everton, 3points that we're ours. Linesman mistake. That's 8 points. 8. Bs. Those 8 points would have us ready for a push for top 4 with the frauds of Tottenham at home on Sunday. Hope AVB puts Gylfi out there against Lucas and Hendo so they can show him what the ffff physicality means. 3points.

Coates will probably move on too

04 Mar 2013 05:36:33
Must win game against tottenham. If we draw or lose we have no chance of coming top 4.

You have no chance anyway! give it up, Your making yourelves look very silly!

Much love

Give it up? If we made a habit of doing that we wouldn't have the trophy cabinet whichever team you support dreams of

Not as silly as you trolling other clubs sites, you really can't buy that, the stupidity of some people.

Red Ant

04 Mar 2013 02:34:18
I don't know what the obsession is with everyone calling for defensive replacements. We have one of the best defences in the league; only city have kept more clean sheets this season. Perhaps sign a replacement for the departing carragher otherwise we need to focus elsewhere.

What we've been crying out for is a good RW. Downing has undoubtedly improved but still not to a level that should be accepted by lfc. A good RW that can get some goals should be a priority.

Next I think we really need some more quality in the centre of the park. Lucas and gerrard play well as the holding midfielders but that 3rd place still needs to be filled. Henderson and allen not good enough. Perhaps coutinho but he seems to be employed out wide. It won't be long before gerrard himself will be retiring and then who will we have as our midfield trio? Henderson allen and lucas? Hello 8th place.

We've become accustomed to mediocre players. Downing allen henderson wouldn't get near the spurs side. Let's just cut our losses on them and move on.

I like the idea of honda as that CM player however I believe our chance to sign him has passed.

What statistics don't show are the schoolboy errors our defenders have made over the season, costing us games and points.

JPH

04 Mar 2013 01:58:01
Hi, just wondering if anyone knows what footballers do when they are injured. Do they work out tactics and stuff or do they do there coaching badges. For example, Borini could be preparing for the future and doing his coaching badges. {Ed002's Note - Some clubs encourage older players to do coaching courses if they are suffering long term injury but the focus remains getting the recovery in place and limiting chances of further injury.}

04 Mar 2013 01:21:42
Happy birthday to King Kenny.
From The Celtic Family.

Jungle Bhoy.

04 Mar 2013 00:44:53
I hope now the "BR/FSG out" brigade are starting to see the project that has tried to be implemented by FSG, and how BR is trying to achieve this. For me, team performances have been improving each week, since the beginning of the season. Whereas, up until very recently, the opposite could be said for the support many so could fans were showing the team.

This was always going to be a season of transition, and it amazes me how many times this has been said and yet many expected us to compete with the likes of united, city, chelsea, tottenham and arsenal over the course of a season, with a thread-bare squad, whilst trying to bed some youth into the first-team.

We already look to have improved on last seasons league standing, and with 10 games left, there is still a good chance of europe, with an outside chance of us nicking that last champions league spot.

I just hope now that fans will stop with all the b*tching and get behind the team, manager AND owners, as all the negativity can only hurt us in the long run. However, I fear that all their hatred will just be shifted to other players undeserving of the hostility that will inevitably be thrown their way after every poor performance. All I ask is that people remember that if it were up to us fans, Lucas would have gone after his first 2 seasons, and Henderson last Summer, so please give players time to adapt and bed in to our style of play and more importantly, adjust to the responsibility of playing for such a big club as Liverpool.

oseans

Getting over excited by wins over a weaken Swansea and relegation threatened Wigan is a bit much.
Lets see if we can actually beat someone like Tottenham.

At least we are building on what we had. The players used to get motivated for games against the bigger teams but lose against wigan the next week. Now we are beating those teams and, had we had a bit more luck, we would have beaten a few of the higher teams also. If we take away the individual defensive mistakes from games like Man City and Arsenal, then we are looking at the top four. Our current play suggests we are not too far off the top. In Brendan we trust!

04 Mar 2013 00:28:00
For me we need two signings for next season. a central defender and a no nonsense defensive midfielder.
All credit to lucas but in my opinion sometimes he does get a little bullied of the ball at times at that can apply to Allen. Gerrard isn't the force of old however he is still a great player.
We have a young squad and one that can jell for many years.
Allen, Henderson are certainly highly talented and sturridge could well be a legend.

Next season could be a bright one but we need to iron out sloppy defending at times and have more gritt up front.

04 Mar 2013 00:07:54
I see the Williams rumours surfacing again.
It was interesting to hear the commentator state in the League Cup final that Williams is not very vocal? I was surprised, I thought he was.
He also gets away with a lot pushing, pulling and dragging in the penalty area playing for Swansea but as we know our players don't get away with that sort of thing. We are constantly monitored by you know who? down the road and if he sees anything like that, he'll be on all the back pages calling us a disgrace and cheats and asking refs to keep an eye on us.
So Williams for me on them points is a no no.
Best and biggest clue for CB is the fact that Rodgers was advised over and went to see himself the young lad and captain of Feynord don't think Brendan would be doing that if we weren't seriously interested.

04 Mar 2013 00:06:06
We're fourth in the 'in-form' table from the last 6 games, behind United, Spurs and Arsenal and level with City. I believe if it wasn't for our stop and start form at the beginning of the season we would be genuine top 3 contenders. It's nice to see us pick up a little consistency, but we need to carry on like this and the perfect catalyst for a brilliant end to the season would be a win against an in-from spurs side. It'll be difficult, because they are playing really good football but with the likes of Gerrard, Suarez, Sturridge etc, I think we can get a result. It's nice to see Reina nearly back to his best aswell.

P. S good luck to the under-21s tomorrow, playing a very talented Southampton side which missing several key players.

AsianRed (In Brendan I Trust)

03 Mar 2013 23:23:04
These al habsi and mignolet rumours are ridiculous!

03 Mar 2013 23:03:43
My posts never get posted but .... {Ed002's Note - You have sent in the same post over an over again - and it was posted.}

There's more of your posts on here than any others? no-name

03 Mar 2013 22:04:20
Summer should be good for us I think guys!
I know we've bin saying it every year but I think we could be a force next year, if u look how we have progressed over the second half if the season. Sturridge is going to be a great signing u can already tell. Also most of this season has bin a failure we dropped a lot of stupid points, an yet were still in with a shot of the champions league places, which is proof that if u stay consistent top 4 can be an easy goal next year. With a good centre back coming in to partner agger, and maby a top wide man to fill downings position that could be all we need guys! We do need another sub striker to fill in some1 who isn't going to cost a lot! But that should be it I think.

So long as we don't do anything stupid like sell Suarez/agger/Lucas we could really do something!

U got to have faith guys the team are on a high support the reds!

Cheers BC