Liverpool Banter Archive March 04 2017

04 Mar 2017 20:51:10
What a great game! Exactly what we needed today with the win and most of all the performance!

The big job really is for Klopp - how does he make sure we don't revert back to old ways against Burnley like we've done so many times this season?

04 Mar 2017 21:34:20
We've always been a good counter attacking side. Problem starts when teams happily defend deep and counter us where klopp has failed to adapt.

04 Mar 2017 20:16:32
A lot of people worried about Coutinho being the subject of a big bid, i would be more worried about a big bid coming in for Mane.

04 Mar 2017 20:42:36
Wouldn't have been the case had we played with an out and out striker up front who scores 20 a season. Regardless Mane is terrific. Who was the last winger we had? Barnes!

04 Mar 2017 21:22:48
we've got 3 or 4 players who could hit the magical 20 goal a season target this season.
That really ain't this teams problem, goals against has finished our title challenge this yr, either that's down to tactics, personal or application against "lesser" teams I think a blend of all 3 has been our downfall.

04 Mar 2017 21:26:20
Mane was unplayable today, best performance yet, lalana and firminio were great and the much maligned can played well is he, whole team were good.

04 Mar 2017 23:12:27
Firminio won't be far off the 20 Mark.
Add to that his team ethic and work rate.

The above posters should take a reality check.

04 Mar 2017 20:03:02
Great wee 3-1 win. and nice to do it in front of the Saudi royal family. are they interested in investing into the club? Does anyone know?

04 Mar 2017 19:38:45
I'm really happy with the win and that performance but it really does highlight that our struggles against the so called lesser teams seems to be an attitude problem, I didn't see anyone on the ground which is a surprise considering Klopp was so naive in putting the team through a mini-preseason so I don't think fitness has anything to do with it.

Wijnaldum is turning into the most frustrating player in the team, great performance tonight. The whole back four played well, I think Klavan especially and while he's not someone you would want starting every week he is an upgrade on Skrtel to say the least. Lallana was out of this world at times with his closing down and his vision - summed up with his involvement in the third goal.

I'm really pleased that we won, but we must take this opportunity and use it to push for the top 4 now.

04 Mar 2017 22:08:42
Its looking like less an atitude problem and more a tactical problem.

Where 1 week away from the enzt match and only fans. Yet we know burnley will. sit the whole team behind yhe ball and counter.

The tacics tonight won't work next week.

Thats the problem. There is no need to press when you have the ball. We will have 70% next week.

So its about finiding a way to win.

Scout burnlet and find wrakness in how they play and build a team that can exploit that. If they don't like pace then throw moreno and mane on the wings and play yhem. as wide. as they will. don't have 7 number 10's tryig to pass thete way through the middle.

04 Mar 2017 19:28:28
A much improved performance from can today hopefully he can take some confidence from that. now again don't get carried away it needs to be like this week in week out now if we play likr that and loose I can take that because everyone is giving there all.

04 Mar 2017 19:43:24
Much improved but a heck of a long way to go to challenge for the league, a top 4 spot is doable though.

04 Mar 2017 18:17:00
The inconsistency at our football club is unreal. Unbelievable to think this is the same team bar klavan that played 5 days ago.

04 Mar 2017 16:48:16
Question for Ed001, if he would have a rough idea.

The reason i started supporting Liverpool as a kid is because, before I was born, my dad was in a serious car accident, just before him and my mum were due to get married. Long story short, his story was featured in newspapers and a liverpool-supporting stranger was so moved by the story that he drove from Liverpool to Kilmarnock with a football signed by the entire 1977 European Cup Winning team. He showed me it when i was about 10, and it was the first bit of football memorabilia I had ever seen, and I was fascinated. From then on, I was red through and through.

Anyway, I hadn't seen it for years, and just assumed I had either imagined it, or it had been lost or damaged or something, but it turns out it's still safe and sound in my dad's possession, and will be passed to me when he dies. Now, i have NO intention of selling it, ever (for what it means to my dad, and as something i'll pass to my daughter, who i'm raising a red), but i've tried to have a look online to value it, and couldn't really find anything similar. Would you know how much something like that would be worth? It'll always have far more sentimental value than it would ever be worth in £, but I can't help being curious.

Cheers either way Ed.

{Ed001's Note - the only way something like that would ever be sold is via auctions. There is a database of auction prices, but you used to have to pay to access it, which would be the best way to get an idea. The best bet would be to speak to an auction house which have sports memorabilia sales, and ask for a valuation. Those kind of things are sold at specialist auctions, as that is how you get the best value for them.}

04 Mar 2017 17:07:04
Cheers Ed, much appreciated. No point in me looking into it through auction houses, as it'll never leave this family as long as I live and breathe, was just curious as the only things I found online were like replica shirts that were signed years after the event.

Just have to make sure I raise the girls right, and they hold on to it. it's as good a way as any to get later generations to be Liverpool fans!

Thanks again, appreciate you taking the time out to reply.

{Ed001's Note - things like that were very few and far between back then, so it would be worth more than a shirt or similar, I would think. My cousin works at an auction house in Liverpool, he might have an idea. I will ask him for you.}

04 Mar 2017 17:38:45
If it's easy enough for you Ed, that would be great, but don't go to any trouble. probably better if the kids don't know how much it's worth!

{Ed001's Note - I will text him after the match, if we win, if not it will have to wait a few days as he is a Toffee and I will get nothing but stick if I message him when we have lost.}

04 Mar 2017 19:54:09
I know the feeling Ed! Ironically my dad is a Toffee too (despite the whole story above! ) . If I ever miss a game for any reason, I know Liverpool have lost if I get a text from him around the final whistle.

But HEY! We won, so go revel in telling your cousin!

And thanks again man, that's well above-and-beyond.

{Ed001's Note - no worries mate, good to have an excuse to talk to family.}

04 Mar 2017 16:45:22
Would be interested in people's views of the leaders in our squad.

I'm not even referring to the footballing ability but actual leadership qualities. I've a grave concern that there's no real
Leader in that group and it manifests itself everytime we drop points against the so called lesser teams as there's nobody there to either be a calming and patient influence when we're playing against a parked bus or to give a proper bollocking to people if complacency is the issue.

As it stands the senior people like Lucas and Milner are good guys to have around the place and I've no doubt add a positive vibe to the group but they don't appear to be leaders.

Henderson does seem to try but I'm still not sold that he inspires those around him.

What's others view on this?

04 Mar 2017 16:50:51
Sakho but he won't be playing for LFC again.

04 Mar 2017 16:55:39
Right if you where running in a straight line eithout any turn offs or other options but to go straight and there was a brick wall. Too higj to go over and to deep to dig under.

You then try to run at it. Nothing happens. You then run at it whilst screaming and acting all tough. Nothing happens. Do you continue like that for the bext 90 mins or look around for something different to hit it with.

The team try for 60 minutes with no luck. Its time to try a different apporach. Switch of formation or players. It won't make a difference having a real good leader on the pitcu screaming at everyone. How will that effect to opposition where trying to beat?

Point being its up to the coach to spend 60 minutes looking at this and finding weaknesses in the the oppostion and then make a change accordingly to give the team the best possible chance of victory.

You don't send someone into a gun fight with a spoon.

Klopp doesn't make changes until 80 minutes in and then its mostly like for like.

The best change we have made in a ling while and actual tactical sub was on monday.

Moreno pushed right out wide to occupy simpson and cout was moved into the middle and origi was dragging the cbs back with the fear of his pace. It didn't work but it gave us a goal.

That was the am who made it not klopp. I don't think he's got that. He does his way which is awesome and brilliant footy 70% its a solid setup but to win the leagues there has to be abother way. He has to find a way to win those games.

But be positive and pro active. 2-0 at half time requires a switch. 2-0 up at halftime requires a switch to protect the lead.

04 Mar 2017 17:03:27
I get what your saying but I think we need more winners than leaders, the type of players who show up every week and try to win at all costs, too many at Liverpool just think turning up against the lower teams is enough because they play for Liverpool, I know he's a bell and hate using him as an example but Suarez when he wasn't biting people would chuck everything he had at the opposition regardless of who they where, his work rate never dropped. You can't say that about many in our first 11 right now, when they do all put the effort in we are probably the best team in the league, we seem unstoppable, but when the players only show up against the top teams there is a big problem, I don't think any team in the EPL is weak enough to think you can coast your way through it.

04 Mar 2017
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04 Mar 2017 14:26:45
Well the one positive this weekend is that we will still be ahead of UTD irrespective of the result tonight :-)

04 Mar 2017 14:51:02
Nothing other than a win will do though maxy.

04 Mar 2017 14:53:39
Until next week 😭.

04 Mar 2017 15:03:18
Going to be a tough fixture vs Arsenal. We have to win no doubt.

04 Mar 2017 14:46:51
How was that not a red card for Ibra. I mean if I was Bournemouth manager I would have called off the game and gave them 3 points!

04 Mar 2017 16:28:51
What you on about Math? .

04 Mar 2017 09:57:18
Hi guys like a few on here i use mobdro to stream just wondered if anybody knows any channels for the boxing tonite other than sky ppv i know its not lfc related but any help would be great thanks and hopefully we get 3points today aswell.

04 Mar 2017 12:51:51
I use myp2p onot pc for anything I can't get on my phone for mobdro.

04 Mar 2017 14:20:27
can buy it on boxnation usually. think its £12.

04 Mar 2017 09:16:09
Thx Ed1. Do you think that tells us more about Sturridge or the club?

{Ed001's Note - depends on what you mean by that. Sturridge was not playing regularly before, so it is impossible to say whether he would have had the same problems had he been doing so.}

04 Mar 2017 10:18:25
I genuinely believe Klopp has given up on Sturridge. Klopp has been unable to integrate Sturridge into the team as Sturridge 99% of the time is not available for selection.

It is quite frustrating as Sturridge on his day is one of the most deadliest finishers. Saying that, Sturridge has been a shadow of the player who first joined the club, irrespective of his injuries.

04 Mar 2017 12:24:54
Hate to say it Sturridge should of been sold last year. Results cost BR his job but what also cost him is trusting Sturridge to be fit.

04 Mar 2017 15:44:24
Rodgers signed Benteke, that cost him him his job.

04 Mar 2017 08:15:56
With Can clearly not up to replacing Henderson, any chance we'll see a change in formation tonight, perhaps to accommodate Stewart?

04 Mar 2017 08:25:15
You beat me to it Spud. Stewart has to be well in the reckoning for a start mate.

04 Mar 2017 08:27:54
Our midfield is not the biggest problem.

Who Klopp selects tonight in the back four will be key. If our defence once again leaves us in a pickle then our attack will have to make sure that we score more goals than Arsenal to win the match.

04 Mar 2017 08:43:55
Emre Can has got good energy which will be an asset against a team like Arsenal.

04 Mar 2017 08:53:10
Energy is fine . but he doesn't know how to play
He is not clever with his passing he just reminds
Me of a kid playing football on a concrete football pitch
Just running with the ball an there is no plan in his head.

04 Mar 2017 09:02:47
For me he's one of the problems with verstatility.

Hes never been trained to master one position amd now he has having to scramble to learn one.

Lb, cb, cdm, cm and cam for us. Maybe even rb on occasion.

What always makes me laugj is managers use these players here and claim its because there great in any position but you wouldn't move any of your top players. you would bring a kid in.

Milner and can are alrigut players hence why they have never really held down a starting berth. Have high wages though so if there's gap in the team they tend to play first.

04 Mar 2017 09:28:40
Totally agree on there being major issues with defence too. The thought of Sanchez against Lucas is terrifying!
Time to give Maris and Gomez a go? Or should we bring Klavan back? I'm torn. Heart says Gomez, head says Klavan.

04 Mar 2017 10:33:52
I seen Emre Can dribble through 2-3 players. I seen him pick out a pin point long ball. I seen him play a lovely through ball for players to run onto. I seen him tackle and break up moves. I seen him smash one in top corner from the edge of the box. He will run for you all day. He rarely picks up injuries or needs resting.

This season it hasn't worked for him. His team mates are not making the runs for him. It's all too congested in the centre of the park. It's all about coaching, tactics and confidence.
Emre has the skills simple as that.

04 Mar 2017 12:00:45
Klopp will put the exact same team out tonight bar maybe Klavan in for Lucas, we just don't have the squad to handle injurys. On a lighter note i was reading the sports headlines as i was about to have my breakfast this morning it said " Liverpool are going to spend big in the summer" i nearly choked on my boiled egg with laughter. It's great to have a bit of humour to start the day.

04 Mar 2017 13:15:14
Klopp is stubborn, and I don't see too many changes for this game, only he has to rest Lucas unless Lovren is fit, I see Klavan coming in, as someone said, Sanchez V Lucas is a mistake about to happen .

04 Mar 2017 13:25:17
Personally, against Arsenal I would play Can and Stewart holding. Coutinho behind Origi with Mane on the right and Gini on the left. Look to hit them on the break with the pace and power of Origi, Gini and Mane. Firmino and Lallana are not playing well lately even in the big games.

Why should they continue to get chance after chance? Stewart and Origi will give 100% no matter who they face. I also think playing a proper holding midfielder and a proper striker may improve help stop our rot. Having 10 outfield players free styling all over the pitch is only good when you're playing with confidence; which we obviously are not!

I think Klopp will go virtually unchanged though and we'll draw 2-2 against a dire Arsenal side we should be smashing all the way back to London.

04 Mar 2017 13:56:31
Fans propose, Klopp disposes! Unchanged team!