Liverpool Banter Archive September 04 2015

 

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04 Sep 2015 20:36:38
Kinda funny how emre is playing right back for Germany

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04 Sep 2015 22:06:13
Germany are experimenting with a host of players atm. A fair few of their 1st teamers are coming to the end of their careers,they haven't got a natural rightback to fill that slot,they have several player floating from defense to mid,but no 1 has really nailed down either full back slot.

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05 Sep 2015 03:41:34
In a World Cup winning team as a rookie, you get in where you fit in

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05 Sep 2015 10:00:32
Still say the same about Emre from day 1. He's a player without a position, not a defender, not a midfielder.

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05 Sep 2015 15:08:33
I am tending to agree with you there Ron - doesn't have the pace for FB, but has been very inconsistent in midfield to date and looks to lack the positional sense (so far) of a true DM, or fitness/agility of a box-to-box player, or the creativity of an AM.

I think he'll be a great player at some point, but I think he needs to improve quite a bit still to be a regular starter against the top sides.

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05 Sep 2015 15:43:14
He did pretty well for us last year as a defender. Way better than when he played DM (including this year).

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05 Sep 2015 15:51:58
He's a boy still learning the game at 20. If he will improve, it will be under Leow and not under BR who has no idea what he's doing. Unlike many, I'm prepared to give him time due to his potential. He needs guidance and better management but don't hold your breathe getting it from your BFF Ron, who has shown he couldn't man manage his way out of a paper bag.

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05 Sep 2015 16:54:58
And you of course could do a better job? Give your BR a bashing a rest and change the record ffs, it's boring

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05 Sep 2015 17:52:07
I think he's a centre mid for sure! He's powerful and his positional sense will only improve with experience. I think because he's big and strong people forget that he's no where near his prime yet

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07 Sep 2015 02:17:51
Change the record to what exactly, RD? To yours?

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04 Sep 2015 19:51:42
Hi everyone,
What do you make of the club wanting supporters to register flags and banners on the kop?
I don't understand it as its a longstanding tradition and is completely harmless.

What is the sudden need for this? Is it a new F.A requirement or just plain meddling from people who don't understand the importance of the 12th Man?

We are renowned for our famous kop, and it feels like another set back in the ever decreasing Anfield atmosphere.

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{Ed002's Note - The club are after you email addresses, the same as we are.}

04 Sep 2015 21:13:56
I thought You already had a file on us ed?

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{Ed002's Note - I only have movies and photos of you when you leave your web cams on.}

04 Sep 2015 21:56:10
I thought my lawyer had already warned you about that?

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05 Sep 2015 02:37:56
I've had a terrible day, and this has just brightened it! Knew there was a reason I always read here before bed!
Got some tape over the webcam now as well!

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{Ed001's Note - just don't forget your tinfoil hat, it makes it much easier for us to monitor your brainwaves.}

05 Sep 2015 13:57:43
Please qr1990. You know you're putting on a show before bed every night now. Just imagine ed002 in the background saying "that's simply not how it works." May even talk dirty to you. I think ed002 is a fan of wine. 😁

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04 Sep 2015 17:28:45
Hi Guys

Just want to ask, after watching Ashley Williams top performance last night for Wales, i was wondering what centre backs you would have chosen for the wasted 20 million we spent on Lovren.
With Rodgers managing Williams for 2 years and us needing a centre back who can organise, pass, tackle, head the ball, whos consistent, why didn't Rodgers take a punt on Williams instead of Allen?

Just want to see the views?

Evered

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{Ed001's Note - he never wanted to leave Swansea nor to join us.}

04 Sep 2015 19:45:55
He also stated 2 years ago that he hated Suarez, which didn't exactly endear him to LFC supporters

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04 Sep 2015 21:16:09
To be honest there's a multitude of options at centreback we could have got for that amount.Sticking to those reasonably priced from the premiership years still kicking about

I'd have loved Scott Dann,I know he's never really joined a big club,but I just love the way he goes about it,he's a good leader,always performed well defenseivly,decent header, doesn't f about and clears his lines when necessary and postitions himself well with which ever partner I've seen with him.

I personally always preferred Fonte out of the two as well.Seems more composed,better at in the air again,better against pacey players by positioning himself properly(getting close to the lone striker early,or dropping back with the line)

Samba would probably be another,thought I haven't seen him play since he left the prem.

There's a lot more too.

I think building on what ed001 said,Williams also said something about Suarez in his book as well he certainly wouldn't have enjoyed working with Luis I don't think. thought bad blood didn't stop sherringham and cole being effective on the field.

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04 Sep 2015 22:22:30
Williams is a fan aswel. He came up for the Gerrard testimonial and had played the day before for Wales.

These are the type of players I never understand how they don't get brought up to the bigger clubs, maybe not Liverpool but look how city asked around for a.partner for kompany, I just don't see someone like Williams as any step down from what they bought. Top player.

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05 Sep 2015 02:43:37
My history could be a bit off but I am pretty sure we were linked with Williams when BR first joined after he secured Allen and Borini. A lot of supporters did not want him as he was seen as a mid table player.
Nice how things change.

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05 Sep 2015 03:43:28
Ed already said he did not wanna come here or leave Swansea so it really doesn't matter

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05 Sep 2015 09:41:03
He loves it at Swansea and it is good to see a player commit himself to a club, just like Gerard did. The fans love him and he is big mates with Monk. Every transfer window he is linked with a move away ( mainly to Arsenal) but he is still there

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05 Sep 2015 11:39:17
I watched Williams last season for Swansea a great skipper also brains at the back and organiser he was telling the goalie full backs and other cen back where to go what to do even the midfield

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05 Sep 2015 15:53:19
His leadership qualities would've made him a good signing a few years ago.

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06 Sep 2015 19:15:33
We had Sakho, Skrtel, Toure
I would have went for a RCB and sold Skrtel, so maybe one of Howedes, Garay or Bonucci.
Then used Ilori as backup LCB as he has played in that position previously for Sporting and also only loan at Granada (granted it was in a back three)

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04 Sep 2015 17:04:32
This is just for Ed 001, you say all our troubles are down to one man David Moores - in my humble opinion, and some inside knowledge from the late 90's our troubles got considerably worse when Rick Parry was appointed. The man was a total disaster for us, although as it was Moore's who appointed him, I suppose we can put almost total blame on him.
I admit Peter Robinson was an almost impossible act to follow. But for a supposed LFC fan, Parry was the best self publicist I have seen, and was only interested in what was in it for him, and I understand he was a major player in getting G & H to buy the club.

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{Ed001's Note - G&H weren't as bad as they appeared mate, they just ran out of money. As for Parry, he was a huge part of the problem, but partially because he was following orders, and partially because he is a buffoon. He now markets himself as some kind of footballing expert!}

05 Sep 2015 08:52:55
Buffoon - good description of the man, took us for a complete ride.

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05 Sep 2015 12:05:11
Ed001, totally agree about Parry and in the past we have agreed about Moores failings (stadium development or lack of it) but I can't agree with you over H&G, you say they weren't as bad as they appeared just ran out of money but did they actually use any /much of there after all they had only one intention when buying the club with a leveraged buy out and that was to use other people's money and sell at a profit, I know all investors are all after the same end goal but these two where persons in my opinion as well as being an embarrassment, who can forget Hicks's interview with all the LFC souvenirs around him.

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04 Sep 2015 15:00:24
Hey Eds, just wondering can any of you update on how origi is performing in training for us. he looked good for Belgium although was only on for 8 mins. Hope we don't have the same situation as Chelsea/Sturridge where Brendan won't give him a chance
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - No idea and I have no idea what you are talking about with Sturridge when at Chelsea.}

04 Sep 2015 19:21:05
Did Sturridge not play 40ish games in their Champions League winning season? As I recall he was played very often when he wasn't on the sidelines injured?

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04 Sep 2015 11:57:44
..........cut...............

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{Ed002's Note - This has already been posted.}

04 Sep 2015 17:51:41
Sorry Ed002, forgot to check the Teams tab!

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04 Sep 2015 10:34:11
Ed 01, I started supporting Liverpool at the end of the Evans era as a 7 year old so, sadly never saw us win the league, just wanted to ask what made us so successful for such a long period. Were we big spenders or were we lucky enough to get the best managers, were the likes of Rush, Barns, Keegan Berdsley developed at Liverpool or was it a case of we got them due to our success. Also what was the reason in your opinion that we couldn't sustain those hights and move with the times? I can't really Google things like this or I would.

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{Ed001's Note - good management, we had great managers who had the right staff working with them to find the right players, not necessarily the best ones. We had a great scout in Geoff Twentyman, who identified the right kinds of players to bring to the club, such as Rush. We had fantastic coaches who would develop them into the right players for us, such as Moran, Paisley and Shankly. They were ably supported by a chairman who loved the club and was there simply to do what was right.

The main reason we fell away was one man. David Moores. He was a leech who siphoned off money into his own pocket, rather than invested into the club he claimed to love. When there was a chance to build a new stadium, he rejected the opportunity due to it requiring him to put his money into the project. Even when he sold up, for £86m, he was still getting free first class travel and accommodation to go to games paid for by the club.}

04 Sep 2015 11:34:01
I'd love to know where we would be now if he invested into a new stadium

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{Ed002's Note - Ground sharing with Tranmere.}

04 Sep 2015 11:12:32
Ed, would you say we also failed to capitalise on our success from a financial point of view? When United succeeded in the 90's apparently they milked it commercially were as we didn't and suffered slightly? Is that true?
Also, I feel Evans was only one player short of winning the title.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, but that was again down to Moores reluctance to invest.}

04 Sep 2015 12:21:15
I agree with what you said Ed001, but we also had the luxury of being able to let them play in the reserves for a year and let them get used to our style of play.

Plus our reserves used to that good back then, that they would have finished second to us.

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04 Sep 2015 12:42:02
The only thing that hasn't changed in football since the 80's are the goal posts. Everything else has changed.
It's not the same game as it was so comparing is futile.
Some clubs anticipated the changes and to a degree helped shape them. We didn't, we got left behind and we didn't realise it until it was too late.

Just my observations

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04 Sep 2015 13:18:12
was watching Chasing Classic Cars on Discovery Turbo and guess who I spotted sat in the front row at pebble beach auction a certain David Moores. No doubt spending his millions he made selling the club to hicks and Gillette.
Is it a stupid question to say we wouldn't of been in this mess (financially and owners transfer policy) if Moores had sold to Dubai Investments?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool would have been dragged down by them when they went bust.}

04 Sep 2015 14:29:55
Thanks for your reply Ed, wish I was alive to see us dominate Europe. Must be hard to see us languishing between 4th and 7th when you're used to winning titles and European Cups.

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04 Sep 2015 16:23:29
If RON KEAGUE is around,we have been left behind big-time,we were talking about a new ground for about 15 years but that's all it was,while Rome burnt everybody else added to there's and before you no it here we are getting a make-over instead of being at the fore-front for a new ground,be it shared or our own. also while I'm at it until we stop being a selling club we'll never get back to were we were.surround the class players with class players,it's not rocket science.

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04 Sep 2015 18:04:01
Bob Paisley the greatest manager to have ever lived. 3 European Cups in his 9 years WOW

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04 Sep 2015 22:05:41
So wembley, you agree with me then?

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04 Sep 2015 22:26:59
Ed with regards to our continued success back when.

You mention good coaches and scouting.

My question is were the players we were signings unknowns or were we the preferred choice for players who had numerous bids from other clubs due ti out success at that time, like when rvp went with united over city, knowing there was more chance of a title there (might be money) but as I said we're we plucking them out of no were or just the best club that went for them?

We're we paying anything better in wages etc

I suppose the likes of shanks and paisley would of been big pulls aswel as the top players that were already there.

Think I'm answering my own question here ed but look forward to to yr response :)

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{Ed001's Note - it was a mix, it was the players that Geoff Twentyman recommended for the positions we needed. Some were unknowns that had little in the way of other offers, but others would choose us. Initially Shanks would sell the club to them, in his own inimitable way, later the club would sell itself as it was the top club people wanted to play for us. Though the club did do a lot of groundwork, especially through Twentyman, who would get to know every player he thought might be possible, get to know their family etc, to be sure they were the right type of person as well as player. So it was much easier for us to bring in the chosen ones.}

04 Sep 2015 10:33:13
How long till Rodgers starts rolling out the "my teams always play better in the second half of the season" ?

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04 Sep 2015 10:41:43
That worked well last season didn't it!

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04 Sep 2015 12:42:52
He'll probably wait until we have a bad run, instead of 1 bad defeat.

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04 Sep 2015 15:10:17
A bad run like, say, getting humiliated by West Ham and Palace at home and being thrashed by Stoke 6-1? Not to mention defeats to Hull, Villa, United, Arsenal. I could go on . ,

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04 Sep 2015 15:10:19
If you discount that one season which was a result of the adoption of Bielsa's tactics and Suarez'es brilliance, BR's whole time with us has been one bad run. The statistics some choose to regard while disregarding everything that doesn't fit in with their personal views might encourage skepticism, but our PL standing at the end of each season paints a clear picture of our manager's blatant limitations.

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05 Sep 2015 03:53:03
Phoenix, they choose to pick the stats that suit their rhetoric so as to make BR look good instead of assessing the full picture which is that, BR has been a failure and like you said, it's been several bad runs which have led to one big bad run under him.

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04 Sep 2015 06:46:12
Hi Eds

Do you no injury updates on Hendo, Lallana & Sturridge please?

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{Ed001's Note - Hendo and Lallana are expected to be back for the United game, Sturridge might be.}

04 Sep 2015 08:27:03
Cheers mate. It will be good to be almost back to full strength. can't see Sturridge starting though if he does make it back. 20mins off the bench at the end and the winner will do me.

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04 Sep 2015 10:01:31
Sturridge not back until October apparently now

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{Ed002's Note - The club originally said they did not expect him to be available for selection until October. The critical thing is that nobody tries to get him playing before he is 100% ready.}

04 Sep 2015 10:07:51
No Coutinho though, right?

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{Ed002's Note - Correct.}

04 Sep 2015 10:27:44
I really hope we don't rush him back. Would like to see ings partner benteke for September and go from there

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04 Sep 2015 15:46:38
Eds02, is that 100% fit or 100% ready?! The two are not necessarily the same thing I might suggest?

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{Ed002's Note - Are the words "100% ready" not clear?}

04 Sep 2015 22:28:08
Aren't they?

I'm either looking like a idiot here or certain that there variations of the same thing.

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06 Sep 2015 19:18:04
Sturridge best at least be on the bench even if he doesn't come on. Should motivate a few heads.

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04 Sep 2015 06:10:13
Mng eds and Reds

Out from the usual controversies, banter please.

Best striker in the PL era.

1. My heart says fowler but Henry for me. He was the most complete striker I have seen in the league. Henry could dribble half of the opposition in their own half. He was unplayable.

2. Suarez comes second. He could do anything and he scores for fun.

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{Ed001's Note - I can't look past Fowler, he was special, if he had only had a better team around him!}

04 Sep 2015 08:17:47
Hard to argue with Henry, Hazza. Maybe through Shearer in there too, for mine. And while Robbie is one of my favours, i am not sure he was in that peak group for long enough.

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04 Sep 2015 08:41:27
Red tinted specs maybe ed? Henry was a monster you have to admit. Like you i have my red shades on too and go with fowler but i have to say i enjoyed watching berkamp immensely.

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{Ed001's Note - I love Henry but I would have Bergkamp as my second. Wonderful player was Bergkamp.}

04 Sep 2015 09:14:56
It has to be Fowler. Henry had the benefit of a class team around him. Imagine what a monster Fowler would have been with the Liverpool sides of the 70's or 80's around him, or Henry's Arsenal side, or Cantona's United?

Fowler was pure class who - when he was getting poor service, would just go and make his own goals.

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04 Sep 2015 09:30:53
Hey All,

I got in to football around 97/98 so never really saw Fowler in his peak years. Was it injuries that curtailed his career, Michael Owen blocking him or just the wrong team?

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04 Sep 2015 10:03:13
Fowler was definitely the best finisher

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04 Sep 2015 10:15:41
Alan Shearer for me, the epitome of a British centre forward. Added to the fact he rejected MUFC to join his hometown club when they were never really going to win anything and how he recovered from some fairly serious injuries and came back almost like new - awesome player

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04 Sep 2015 10:16:49
Muscatred - probably falling out with the management might have had an effect on his LFC career.

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04 Sep 2015 10:52:42
He never got on with Houllier, felt he had to leave.

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04 Sep 2015 10:53:13
Jozy altidore

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04 Sep 2015 11:25:02
Matt le tissier in terms of natural ability

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04 Sep 2015 11:54:55
Le Tiss was a great player. Not a great goal scorer but a scorer of great goals. Think one season in particular he had the top 4 goals of the season.

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04 Sep 2015 14:11:57
georgie kinkladze !!!! junhio !!!!

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04 Sep 2015 14:28:21
Best striker overall Alan Shearer
Best LFC striker in prem only one Fowler. It's good to see him ibavk involved with the club

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04 Sep 2015 17:58:21
Love this sort of thing - but as an avid Fowler fan, and also a massive Michael Owen fan - it is always good to remind the non Owen fans:-
Fowler - total LFC games 369 - goals 183 goals/games ratio 2.02
Owen - total LFC games 297 - golas 158 goals/games ratio 1.88

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{Ed001's Note - Fowler played as part of a team, Owen had a team built around him, ridiculous to compare them. He was a poisonous little dwarf who caused hassle behind the scenes and wasn't half as good as those stats make him look. The only tactic of the Houllier team was to get the ball to Owen in the 6 yard box, even then he used to miss a lot of easy chances. Fowler was often having to do it all himself, and in the early part of his career he was alongside Rush, who was the go to man.}

03 Sep 2015 23:04:28
Just want to start a post on peoples opinions on 1) the best player of your generation and 2) the best player you have seen live

1) zidane, if it wasn't for the headbutt he would have won two world cups almost single handed and was a just an exceptional player

2) xabi alonso, no matter the opponent he always seemed to have all the time in the world and I'm pretty sure Stevie learnt how to ping it 40 yards looking up to him

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04 Sep 2015 03:13:25
1) Has to be leo messi the guy is just another level.

2) Has to be luis suarez 2013/2014 he was so good he made everyone around him better never stopped pressing/running. Amazing player.

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04 Sep 2015 04:22:11
1. Zidane and only Zidane. There are players and midfielders and then there is Zidane.
Sir Alex quoted once ". Give me Zidane and 10 sticks, I would win the league. "

2. Suarez / Gerrard. ". We keep saying next year is our year. Suarez single handedly made it into the reality. "

Gerrard is one reason millions outside fell in love with the club.

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04 Sep 2015 04:24:57
1) & 2) Diego Maradona.

The only 1 man team in history. He turned an average team into league champions in the hardest league in the world and he turned his nation into world champions, almost twice.

Forget diving, Maradona had to literally hurdle challenges to avoid serious injury. At the World Cup, the highest stage, he made nations look clueless (and they were).
There is no praise high enough to describe Maradona on a football pitch. "Genius" does not come close
However, he was also a cheat and a disgrace. 😀

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{Ed001's Note - Maradona is the best player I have ever seen play the game. Even Fowler can't compare. There is no better player, Pele was great, but Maradona was a whole other level to anyone else. For once Ron, and I doubt this will become a habit, but I am in total agreement with your post.}

04 Sep 2015 04:36:59
1) zlatan- the guy has an aura its like he can do anything .

2) jay jay okocha- he was plain mad there was always a sense of madness whenever he had the ball.

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04 Sep 2015 06:50:16
All great players but Maradona for me . I always thought Zidane was top drawer as well

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04 Sep 2015 08:21:23
A) i was going to say Zidane but have to agree on Maradona.
B) stevie g

Not really exciting but thems the facts.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) Garincha. (b) Probably Cruyff. Perhaps Zico or Willington Ortiz.

It is always difficult to cross generations.}

04 Sep 2015 08:36:53
1) Zidane for me. A truly exceptional footballer, who's ability was on another planet.

2) Performance wise live; Either Suarez vs Norwich 13/14 or Gerrard vs Madrid 08/09.

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04 Sep 2015 08:39:16
Maradona, the best ever and John Barnes 1987-90 but the player who inspired me most was Djimi Traore. Watching him scuff and slice everything that came near him made me believe I could make it as apro

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04 Sep 2015 08:45:43
Maradonna won leagues and world cups all by himself oh and he was/is mad as a hatter.

Seen live, jonhny barnes mate, silky smooth and could do it all.

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04 Sep 2015 10:00:03
I cannot believe people have not mentioned George Best. Aside he played for the Mancs and he loved to drink, by he'll he made teams look stupid on his own.

Boaz

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04 Sep 2015 10:22:29
1. For it has to be Messi, they way he dribbles past opposition is just a joy to behold.
2.Best performance will be Suarez vs Norwich, 2013/14 season. I'm sure Paul Ruddy, was happy when he left.

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04 Sep 2015 10:24:35
Shout out to Okocha too. He was a special player.

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04 Sep 2015 10:54:38
Edson Arantes do Nascimento

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04 Sep 2015 12:09:53
Diego Armando Maradona, what a player, Messi is the closet person to him Ronaldo not even in my top ten not just saying that due to manc connection.

1. Maradonna
2. Messi
3. Best
4. Pele
5. Fat Ronaldo
6. Jinky Johnston (Celtic)
7. Zidane
8. Moore
9. Zico
10.Cruff. not Jordi his Dad!!

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04 Sep 2015 12:20:24
Ronaldinho for me was just so entertaining to watch pity his career went to pants so early.
Suarez hands down best player iv seen live special mention for Christian vieri.

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04 Sep 2015 14:30:43
Maradona played in the 80's in Italy at a time when defenders were able to get away with career threathening injuries every game.

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04 Sep 2015 15:27:04
01- Depends if I count my generation as 80's or 90's
80's -Maradona
90's- Ronaldo Luis Nazario de Lima

02- Dalglish, was in the twilight of his career but still remember leaving Anfield knowing I'd seen greatness

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04 Sep 2015 16:26:53
Cannot believe it nobody has mentioned gazza best player from my era and the best a seen live,

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04 Sep 2015 20:13:19
Messi and Messi. Absolutely mesmerising on TV and even better live

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05 Sep 2015 04:03:35
Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo Luiz Nazario. But if I had to choose, it would have to be Ronaldo or as some disrespectful fans would call Fat Ronaldo. He was simply the best footballer I have ever seen in my thirty plus years of watching the game. He used to give me chills just watching him terrorize defenses for club and country. Won a World Cup on one good knee and had it not been his injuries, he would have eclipsed Pele and Maradona, IMO.

P/S: Messi and CR can go fly a kite

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05 Sep 2015 14:55:44
Maradona then pele then romario then fat ronaldo messi and ronaldo slim one don't come close to these guys!!

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