Liverpool Banter Archive September 04 2016

04 Sep 2016 22:03:54
Managing Liverpool is never easy though. in 20 years lots of managers have come and gone and yet we are still rebuilding. let's hope klopp can change that.

05 Sep 2016 11:25:13
Klopp too has said it's a rebuilding task.

05 Sep 2016 11:44:10
Which club can you argue is not rebuiling. Everyone is rebuilding. Man United Man city Chelsea Everton are all rebuilding. Only Spurs and Arsenal are stable.

What we do not have that someone like say chelsea has is a strong spine in the team.

05 Sep 2016 12:15:08
Big teams aren't in transition every year like us . they bring players to win trophies.

05 Sep 2016 13:27:52
big teams also bring in a new manager to win trophies, right away, like one of the new managers of City or United will def win the premiership this season, its going to take us another season and a couple of transfer windows before we are def in the mix for top two, but I am confident that we will get there .

04 Sep 2016 21:27:25
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04 Sep 2016 21:35:22
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04 Sep 2016 17:24:53
Agree about the sheep Waro, that's one of the 3 most annoying things about this site, the other 2 being the sly little digs from posters trying to back up their opinion only to not reply when challenged and the third and probably most annoying being sycophants (I use that term loosely by the way) who sail very close to the perineum of one or two of the Eds.

04 Sep 2016 18:04:54
Wouldn't disagree there 18 and 5, but sometimes I wonder if some of them are kids so in that case you've got to cut them a bit of slack I suppose.

04 Sep 2016 18:30:45
Maybe you can Waro if the sheep and sychophants are young and easily led, but the sly snides do my head in, whatever their age if they are old enough to post a snide comment at least they should have balls to justify their post.

04 Sep 2016 20:27:47
I agree totally guys with everything you say ;-) haha! In all seriousness I have felt the need to point this out before. If you agree with something fine. Don't regurgitate the Eds opinions and pass it off as your own thoughts and ideas though in the future. Waste of time reading the same stuff over and over. Equally don't disagree for the sake of it and spoil for an arguement. And 18and5 sychopant is my favourite word ever since Chris Jericho started using it in WWE, everyone is a kid at heart (I'm 39 by the way)

04 Sep 2016 21:17:04
You got it with the regurgitaters Higgins, especially when they then pass it off as their own. By the way my favourite word in my post is perineum, now that sounds a bit weird doesn't it, leave it there I think.

05 Sep 2016 18:13:48
Referring to those who for whatever reason, disagree with you as sheep, really doesn't show your ability to have an honest and healthy debate about everything LFC.

05 Sep 2016 18:51:06
Oh lord the arrogance of the OP.

05 Sep 2016 22:58:27
Spot on, Tsteen. A bit of humility never hurt anyone.

07 Sep 2016 19:40:40
Hamilton, tsteen, why not go and re-read my OP, it was nothing to do with people agreeing with me, the main gist was people suck holing the Eds agreeing with them and then later regurgitating it and passing off as their own thoughts.

04 Sep 2016 09:18:24
I would love to have seen this site if we'd have signed alonso for £23 million ( a lad who didn't really establish himself at Bolton, ) I can't think of a decent left back at the moment and there is the problem when that's one of the positions your struggling to cover. You can't just have a scattergun approach to buying players purely because that's the position they play in, the club could only identify chilwell really and that was through recommendation.

This is were a good scouting network really earns there money, but it just shows the lack of quality out there when alonso is priced at £23 million a similar fee that they paid for rahman who couldn't get a game and is now out on loan, and apparently Chelsea have a decent scouting network

so I'm certain klopp was trying to get a left back in it's just our scouting team are either not up to the job or there simply wasn't anyone out there to improve the team, klopp couldn't put other transfers on hold until he identified a LB he had to push on with other deals but people are acting like he didn't try because he will have of that I've no doubt.

so people have to stop with this "why sign wijnaldum when we're screaming out for a LB that should have been the priority", it was and is but we couldn't identify one, it's really that simple, it's baffling that people on here are suggesting the manager was just happy with his options of Moreno and milner.

i can guarantee he won't have been, if we can see what a liability Moreno is then of course klopp can, he works with him on a daily basis, why do you think milner is playing there right now? Would like to see people use a little logic before taking pot shots at the manager.

04 Sep 2016 10:16:02
We could take Hart on loan and no one can argue he is not much better than Mings.

04 Sep 2016 10:47:33
I would agree with the majority of your post Waro, however I would disagree with lack of quality around being an excuse for us not getting a left back, we found Chilwell but for some reason weren't willing to pay the extra couple of million needed to get him. This is especially weird considering we were willing to splash out £25m on wijnaldum.

04 Sep 2016 11:12:28
Waro,

Whilst I completely agree with your sentiment, I feel the club did identify exactly who they wanted in chilwell. For unbeknown reasons we decided to be tight on the one position we really needed. We even snagged our gk for 4mil so should have paid the 10 or 12 mil Leicester wanted. None of that is klopps fault though or fsgs. Whoever is involved in negotiations (not sure if just ayre) is 100% accountable.

04 Sep 2016 11:14:32
So taking your theory that Klopp and his team couldn't identify a left back worth buying afer Chilwell, does that mean Klavan and Matip were the best centre halves they could get? My opinion is that if you get Matip on a free (signing on fee and all that) and Klavan for a few million, who in my opinion are no where near the level a club like Liverpool should be buying, then it makes no sense at all to me that the club could not find a better, more reliable left back than Moreno. Every club in every league has at least 2. There has to be better, and we might have even sold Moreno, maybe back to Spain and made a few quid out of the deal. I just don't get it if i'm honest. I appreciate now that Klopp is in charge you have changed your tact and want to give him 3 seasons or so to turn the club around and that's ok, its your opinion, i don't necessarily agree with it. So with that in mind, what are you expectations for Liverpool this season?

04 Sep 2016 11:48:36
There's probably ten left backs in the premier league alone who would be a vast improvement on Moreno.

04 Sep 2016 12:16:08
Sorry but Wijnaldum was the answer to a question that wasn't asked. Did we need another number 10 type midfielder? No. Is he a centre midfielder? No. Has she shown anything in the games he's played that he's going to improve our starting 11? No. I'm afraid he's a baffling waste of £25m, particularly given our shortcomings in both fullback positions and lack of a top quality defensively capable midfielder. Don't get me wrong, Matip, Mane and Karius are very good signings and are improvements to the starting 11, but to not address two of the huge problems from last season is just asking for trouble this season.

04 Sep 2016 12:43:01
From all accounts Magician, it wasn't necessary the fee for Chilwell, the club encountered problems with his father demanding more money.

04 Sep 2016 13:02:39
Yeh look at you mancs. £30 million Luke shaw ( way overvalued) injured badly didn't see you lot replace him with any great shake? Did you not play Valencia at full back? yil be crying Jose out next season!

04 Sep 2016 13:08:29
Re: Frankly " Has she shown anything in the games he's played that he's going to improve our starting 11?"

What in the 3 league games we've had. Is that all you get these days? 3 games? 🙄.

04 Sep 2016 13:09:23
My 2 cents
How are we able to judge Matip and Klavan not at LFC level? It's been 3 games Klavan looked great at Arsenal. Matip looked great at Spurs, and frankly I don't recall a defender for LFC looking as physically imposing as Matip.

Why aren't players like Wijnaldum ever given time? It happens every season lately, He hasn't scored 10 goals in 3 games not what is needed, let's trash everyone. That is complete bullshit.

Support the Club and it's players. Win lose or draw. period.

And for the record I'm not all Sunshine and rainbows either. I don't really want Moreno anywhere near the team, however he is ours, and I will support the lad till he isn't.

To me that is how you support a team, of which I follow.
Matt in FL.

04 Sep 2016 13:32:18
Carra started off in midfield? Went to fullback then center half. Milner is a stop gap but if he becomes one of the best in the league will you still want him replaced? The club has got to be clever or we could end up like forest ( European champions too) or worse Leeds! City just loaned out over 100 million quids worth of players an paying towards there wages is that what we should do? Couple of seasons ago we needed a striker we ended up with balo😂😂👌 should we go an take a chance on a LB like we did with him? Jurgen has told us he will only buy players who will push us on regardless of cost. This last window he has had to address a few positions so maybe the scouting team was run off its feet? I'm quite happy with the transfers we've done I'm confident we are going to go on a unbelievable run after Christmas that see us win the league or just pipped at the end. All you doubters disagree away. See you when the team parades round the city YNWA.

04 Sep 2016 13:56:01
I totally agree with your post Waro. The latest in a string of excellent observations and well articulated.

04 Sep 2016 13:59:17
Frankly, you didn't even give Wijnaldum the benefit of three measly games. You were slamming him when he was nothing but a waft of a rumour.

04 Sep 2016 14:16:32
Scouse John, your post makes no sense. Didn't understand a word of it. As for Luke Shaw, yes he got a terrible injury last season, why would we replace him? He's top class and just turned 21 years old. He was brilliant last season before his injury and has started this season seamlessly after a horrible injury. £30m is a snip. If John stones is worth £50m, or Lallana or GW are worth £25m. As for Tony Valencia he's just been nominated for player of the month.

04 Sep 2016 13:30:02
I replied to my op earlier eds did it not make to you?

{Ed002's Note - I hope your op went well Waro.}

04 Sep 2016 14:30:45
There are plenty of left backs better than Moreno and that's what we needed, a competent left back. How about we all reserve judgement, there are posters like you that will defend everything and anything he does because of previous reputation, then there are posters that aren't too sure on him and are writing off the season already. Let's just wait and see where we are at Christmas time, and I'm sure a lot of posters will be called out and we will see if the negative/ pessimists are actually correct.

04 Sep 2016 12:35:36
You all bring chilwell into it like he's an established international, he's not even getting a game for Leicester at the minute and how many of you had even heard of him?

If daveybootle hadn't of put that post up from I think Huddersfield fans raving about him or ed001 telling us in his opinion he looks a great talent then i don't care what any of you say, none of you would have said a word about not getting him! In fact I'll go you one better IMO you all would have questioned getting in a young unproven player for such an important position, you'd have screamed we need a world class LB, and that's my point, your sheep you just follow, have your own opinions.

He may well turn out to be a great player but how many with great potential then fall by the wayside and don't follow up that potential further down the line? Look at sterling and he cost £50 million yet what has he achieved? Have you ever thought that the clubs stance on transfers has changed? Look at the hard ball we played over benteke (and the experts on this site said take the £25 million) and we got what we wanted they maybe used the same method in buying players hence they played hard ball with Leicester.

I'm glad because I'm fed up seeing us pay over the odds and selling on the cheap. Wijnaldum I hear you cry, Newcastle paid £18 million plus agent fees etc he was there top scorer from midfield and had most assists than anyone in there side, so they maid £7million or so on him, that was a fair fee IMO, he's not a player I'd have gone for but klopp wanted him so I'm happy to go along with his judgement, you all pluck names out of thin air who we SHOULD have bought but who are you? If you were more knowledgeable than klopp then you'd be doing his job, so shut the f##k up and stop whining like little bitches and support the manager.

Stand United name them!

04 Sep 2016 14:55:41
Cheers Kenny.

04 Sep 2016 14:57:31
Annie, I saw nothing in him at Newcastle, (or playing for the Netherlands, or at PSV) that suggested he was capable of playing in centre midfield or worth blowing a massive part of our transfer budget on.

All I saw was a bang average player who goes missing in tough matches. Like I say, waste of 25m when we already have Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Milner, Ojo, Mane and Markovic already on the books. If we needed a centre midfielder we should have bought one, not try and shoehorn someone into it who doesn't have the sufficient skill set to be competent. I don't believe it's too much to ask to just want competency. And in the three games he has played he's shown nothing that suggests he's going to be an important player for us.
I struggled to notice any positive impact on the pitch, in general he has looked weak in challenges, doesn't show for the ball, his passing is poor and is often caught out of position ball watching leaving Henderson brutally exposed.

04 Sep 2016 15:15:46
To be clear, I am not writing off this season, the players (although i will give my opinion) or the manager but i won't make a plethora of excuses why Liverpool might not succeed. New manager, new players, new system or the good old transition story. We need top 4 this season, minimum and i can't think of a reason we shouldn't.

04 Sep 2016 15:34:19
Couple things I wanted to add anyway. 1 matip is a very good player who's played 1 game after injury so far don't judge him yet please. Especially not for the fact he's a free either that's contradictory to the rest of your post.

2 Luke Shaw is a very good lb at the time united over paid but at today's values probably not. Also I don't know if you're slagging him for a horrible injury but that's just wrong if you are you can't use that as a stick to beat him with.

Finally I actually had to look up that it was the same Marcos Alonso from Bolton I genuinely thought it was a different guy. Haven't seen him since then but that's shocking! Lb is definitely a problem in world football today, personally I still hope Joe Gomez will be given a chance their and allow someone like wijnaldum or lalanna to support on attacks up the left from midfield. Anywho I still don't see anyone giving a plausible target for January? Seriously who do we look to? I can't think of anyone and think it will be more likely someone young possibly from the lower leagues who will be brought in to compete but I don't see a easy short term fix here.

04 Sep 2016 15:52:04
Baines, Fuchs, Monreal, Kolorov, Shaw, Azpilicueta, Bertrand, Rose, Cresswell and Robertson are all better than Moreno in my opinion. Off course, its all open to debate!

04 Sep 2016 16:22:53
And how many of those were achievable transfer wise for us irish rover? pretty much none, and as you say it's your opinion and your not the manager and it's his opinion that counts.

Let's take one of those you've listed, let's say fuchs, now if they wanted £11 mill for chilwell how much would they want for him? It's OK just plucking names out of thin air, how easy are they to get done?

You don't like me or what I post and that's fine I've no problem with that, but if your going to reply can you knock it on the head with the pettiness and sarcasm because I can't be arsed having to post long winded replys, give your opinion but leave it out with the petty replies lad will ye.

04 Sep 2016 16:28:05
Shanek I wasn't slagging shaw, I was pointing out during his injury, who did the mancs play LB. think Young had a go there at 1 point. Considering there is at least 10 left backs better than Moreno in PL . Why didn't they just go an buy one instead of playing a midfielder there ( having a go at that Utd fan)

04 Sep 2016 17:11:26
That wasnt the question Waro, was it? How can you not like anyone over a forum based on what they write? I actually think you come across ok most of the time but if you are going to ask a question such as name them then maybe you should expect an answer?

04 Sep 2016 17:21:25
Scouse John, still missing the point aren't you? Why would we spend on a replacement for a top quality injured player, who was coming back. Moreno isn't top quality injured, just a poor player, so your not waiting for someone to come back, you need to replace with better. How hard is this to grasp?

04 Sep 2016 17:25:19
Sorry John then! I wasn't sure about a couple of parts of your post. I would guess a bit like we found there were few targets who would make a longstanding difference to the team. at least in their case they had Shaw coming back we unfortunately have no one. by all accounts we don't even have anyone in this position pushing from the youth sides!

04 Sep 2016 17:48:24
Your not grasping my point United. It's ok for you lot to make do for 6 months but not us?

04 Sep 2016 17:49:21
Irish looking at rose today he's no better than Moreno.

04 Sep 2016 17:55:43
Irish rover, OK fair enough, but you can't just pick players who you perceive to be better, I wanted him to name these ten players who are better than Moreno and we could have realistically bought? And out of the names you picked there's not one of them we could have gotten unless you paid ridiculous money which we wouldn't do. Hence my original point, which was can anyone name a realistic LB that is better than Moreno who we could buy! I can't name one and neither it seems can anyone else.

P. S. imo baines monreal kolarov and rose are not much better if at all so I wouldn't have touched them even if they were realistic transfer targets.

04 Sep 2016 18:09:27
We did have a decent young left back in Brad Smith, for some strange reason, Klopp decided to sell him on, and not bring in a proper left back, to challenge Moreno, or replace him, plus no-one has mentioned Daniels, from Bournemouth, who is keeping Smith out, he is very much under rated .

04 Sep 2016 20:06:05
I would not want danny rose if he was the last left back on earth, one day people will wake up to how average he is, I do hope we are scouting the globe looking for a new left back, in the meantime we have to support milner.

04 Sep 2016 21:04:03
87red, Regarding Chilwell, the explanation seems to be that other issues, surrounding his Father, scuppered the deal.

{Ed002's Note - REgardless of anything else the club never had an offer by Leeds.}

04 Sep 2016 23:51:04
Apart from Fuchs, there in NO left back worth his salt in the PL, period.

05 Sep 2016 04:09:07
I think Shaw's a good left back tbh.