Liverpool Banter Archive December 05 2013

05 Dec 2013 19:21:21
If Real Madrid came in with £80m offer in January what do you think the club should do?

Red Rum

Personally, I think the club should do everything possible to keep hold of Glen Johnson, after all, he gave a performance at Hull that would shame a Sunday morning player in Sefton Park .

Say no

Stick them on hold for 6 months.

For me that value would work in the summer. It would take 100 to get him now.

05 Dec 2013 22:14:37
That depends on what DF may or may not do between now and then.

We'll never get 80M for him. I suspect this summer much less will be spent than in the prior, although the good news is other transfers should (hopefully) not be as expensive either.

I think we need to sit down with Glen & get his take on things. Would the medical facilities in Spain be adequate he may be asking himself?

Glen Johnson? I thought he meant Jos Allen!

80m for the welsh xavi is way way below his value in the current climate(wet and windy) we should ask for 91.7m plus 2 of either alonso, ramos, ronaldo or bale! we are after all talking about the pass master here!

on a serious note allen played ok last game I think he's very low on confidence and he should go out on loan next season to build it back up!

05 Dec 2013 18:02:57
"I wish Suarez would just leave us alone!
Big bully"
- Anthony Pilkington

I'd love to hear Ruddy's thoughts on him

05 Dec 2013 22:15:54
He could very well oblige them pending transfer or their relegation.

Be careful what you wish for.

05 Dec 2013 16:45:58
Got a laugh out of this. Thought my fellow reds might too. Titi Camara tweeted "What a performance! A friend said Aaron Ramsey is better. He is no longer a friend."

The Irish Rover
Great post mate.
Never forget the eternal lyrics:
'So this is Christmas
And what have you done. '

Will be lovely if each and everyone of us gave a little something for the kiddies who don't have. my God, we can start something great if all Liverpool fans did this. Imagine.

05 Dec 2013 16:39:45
Just reading Suarez interview with (Marca?). He's said he is staying the full year, and will get us to champions league. That's clearly an exit plot, but I just wanna say. If he's done that, and is sold for some 70 million plus, he couldn't have helped the club much more than he did. I mean that's 110 million in one player sold and champions league revenue (assuming we qualify). If we did get top four, and did get that money, we have champions league to offer, as well as a seemingly thinner squad than most. It's got to be appealing. Here's to hoping you're right luis.

05 Dec 2013 17:18:20
And you would a tottenham?. Spend 100 mill and struggle to replace him.?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Spurs.}

And for all Tottenham's woe's they're just 3 points behind us and 6 points off 2nd. So if they gel they could have a great second half of the season.

So fast forward 12 months and if Suarez has gone and left us Champions League football and a better squad and we've had an indifferent start and are 6 points off second approaching Christmas, then I'd take it.

Whilst I'd prefer Suarez to stay as he's an excellent player, if he wants out then so be it and we should wish him well as another summer like last would frankly be embarrassing. And no player is bigger than the club (not even Jan Molby and he's big). So there will be life after your precious Luis.

Harry dude get off of Suarez's harry and realize that he's gone after this season. If he isn't then we lose a ton of money. Strikers come and go at Anfield,
And they seemingly get replaced by top strikers. Tottenham overspent on a lot of players that weren't looking for champions league football. I don't want Suarez gone, but if he wants out, it needs to be this summer, before we get like 10 million from him instead of 70

If a player wants to go then let him go but only for the price were happy with. players come and go year on year but no one is bigger than the club. do I hope he'll have a change of heart, yes, but unlike me Liverpool isn't his dream club madrid is! sell and move on, but only in the summer!

Spurs spent badly- I'd hope we'd do better (although given our track record on this front who knows). Lamela, as an example, for 30M is (and was) ridiculous. The only player they picked up that I'm slightly jealous of is Paulinho, the rest are very meh.

06 Dec 2013 09:46:16
RDL.
Paulinho is the slowest in their squad. I would be happy If he plays and Dembele gets dropped against us. AVB likes paulinho.

05 Dec 2013 14:39:00
Berbatov anyone?

Seriously?

You're joking right? he plays about 10 minutes a game if that, the other 80 he's relaxing doing nothing. He has great ability but he's a lazy sod, o and he's an ex manc.

06 Dec 2013 07:24:04
Anything happening in terms of scouting ed(s) on that young lad that suarez mentioned KEVIN MENDEZ from penarol?

ACHILLES.

{Ed002's Note - Kevin Mendez is not even 18 but has attracted the attention of Inter, Milan, Barcelona, Bologna and Lecce. I really don't know what Suarez has said about him but I am aware that Inter and Lecce are actively trying to figure something out.}

05 Dec 2013 12:56:44
Hi everyone, haven't posted in some time! Obviously Luis Suarez was absolutely fabulous and deserves all the plaudits. But I would like to give credit to some other players. First of all Jon Flanagan. I thought he put in another very solid performance and he impresses me far more defensively than Johnson ever does. Also I thought Allen had a pretty good game, we like to see him alongside Lucas. In future games. And a player who has much criticism sterling showed some good touches and got on the scoresheet. So well done to them. Bring on the hammers!

05 Dec 2013 13:43:54
Falnganan was really good. So As Gerrard. Countinho looks in good shape and he would be lethal against Hammers. Alberto looked good.
The Point is. If any team gives us space in the middle. then we are unplayble. We are at its very best. But If team close things down and press up high. then we are pretty poor.

HARRY SCOUSSER, that applies to
any team not just LFC but I
understand what your saying, if were
looking to compete in europe and
win titles at home we have to go
to the top teams and give
STATEMENT OF INTENT performance
at the moment we are
FLAT-TRACK BULLIE'S who get
excited because we sort FULHAM,
C. PALACE, and NORWICH out.

06 Dec 2013 09:47:47
Wembley.
So far CIty and Arsenal would beat any team with ease.

05 Dec 2013 11:57:39
Just want to say something that I noticed last night, now I'm a conspiracy nut but even the wife noticed, what was up with Brendan last night he didn't look happy and walked straight off and even his press conference he looked pissed, now I would love to hear people's thoughts and the eds thoughts to cheers

Sections of the press are alleging that he has been kicked out of home for having an affair.
I just hope he can get the team to show the same form playing away from home!

Well i'd say that's because he openly stated other members of the team need to chip in with goals yet even when we get 5 its four from suarez 1 assist and the only goal that wasnt individual brilliance was the corner not to mention 90pc of the time when other players get a chance they over run it fluff it or otherwise let off a shot that is incapable of beating even the worst keepers.and that's probably why luis wanted out realistically without suarez were not a top 4 team and tbh rodgers has every right to be peed off let's just hope he has the right players in mind.p.s I feel the jan window is the last chance to get good money for agger I wouldn't be surprised to see him move to a good spanish or italian side

05 Dec 2013 13:35:06
You are on the cusp of another little holiday from the site Harry.

If I were BR, I wouldn`t be happy neither. Certain parts of our game were aweful. Must do better.

Do you have a similar disciplinary committee to the FA when dealing with Harry's comments ed?!

{Ed002's Note - It is different to that of the FA as it is not independent, only has one member, and there is no means to appeal.}

05 Dec 2013 16:06:27
Come on Macko, everybody knows Ed002 is judge, jury and executioner.
Watch your heads, the banhammer is going to start swinging soon!

{Ed002's Note - It just had a little outing Dave.}

05 Dec 2013 16:16:17
Ooooo, dish it. Who was the recipient?

SIMON, that's common knowledge,
hence the pearly white teeth and
weight loss, he was the chubby one
when he came to lfc.

05 Dec 2013 11:06:42
Let's be honest suarez will leave in the summer (around 65 million current form) even if we win the league he deserves to win the champions league were not near that yet after all he is 26 not to much time so we need 2 or 3 players to help replace him if he goes in the summer who could blame him he is an amazing player

I agree. Just enjoy him while he's here and hope he gets us in the top 4.

65m? You must be joking. If LS finishes as top scorer. NOBODY will be able to afford him without coming close to the Bale deal. His talent and ability is LEGENDARY.

05 Dec 2013 10:18:01
Nice to see Allen does know how to hit the target after his miss the other week. Shame he never scored. I'm really rooting for him this year, he's had such stick from so called "fans". I would like to see him do a Lucas and make himself undroppable.

05 Dec 2013 11:07:27
A New DM and Lucas would be the first one to get dropped.

{Ed001's Note - no he wouldn't, only know nothings like you would drop him. Most managers would have him as the first name on the team sheet.}

Allen still does not look good enough even though he may get the occasional shot on target

Ed001 you are delusional.

Lucas is a liability. He concedes an astronomical amount of free-kicks, is always running back chasing the opposing player as he is out of position, always leaving big gaps and holes between the midfield and defence and struggles to contain or man mark any player occupying the AM behind the strikers.

What matches have you been watching? You are brainwashed and paying far too much attention to stats.

Yes he has the highest amount of tackles made/won but this is due to his inability to remain in position. How many free-kicks has he conceded? How many yellows has he accrued? How many times have you seen the opposition break and Lucas is nowhere to be seen?

It is Lucas' job to patrol the area between defence and midfield, this is his only remit but, as you will know if you had actually watched any games this season, our back 4 severely lacks this protection.

In my opinion we need a proper DM. You have to remember that lucas has only been in this role a few years. we need a specialist DM who has played this role all his life. it will make a big difference mate.

Not sure how somebody as knowledgeable as you cannot see that Lucas is not as great at what he is supposed to be doing as he is made out to be.

Lucas in the DM role is a disaster. Lucas is a generic midfield role then yes I understand he is quality but he is not a specialist DM which is what a title challenging team requires.

{Ed001's Note - you really are making yourself look a complete idiot making assumptions that are complete lunacy about me. As I am always pointing out, I don't look at stats as they can be made to say anything, even the complete tosh you have posted regarding Lucas. Out of position? No he is the ONLY midfielder in position, that is the problem but you are too blind to see it. He is the only one filling in the gaps between midfield and defence left by the rest of the team, but again you are too clueless to spot that. Your whole post is just imbecilic and a lie about the lad. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I suppose you have never noticed how Skrtel is constantly dropping 3-5 yards too deep in defence, creating gaps for the opposition to run into? It was the reason he was in such a terrible position and nodded in the 3rd Hull goal.

You are obviously not watching the full picture, just blaming Lucas for everything, perhaps you were one of the boo boys and still haven't accepted him? Or perhaps you are just so far up Stevie's backside that you have to look for someone else to blame for his errors? I have no idea, but your whole post was just nonsense. You even have the sheer lack of knowledge to blame Lucas for a lack of man marking, when he is not marking a man, never has done and it is not his role to do so. Do you even know what that would entail? Because clearly you seem to think, for some unknown reason, that the role of a DM involves man marking, when that would mean allowing himself to be dragged all over the pitch, which is a cardinal sin for a DM.

Lucas is conceding free kicks, I agree, far too many, but many of them weren't fouls in the first place, and most of the rest were down to Gerrard wandering about hands on hips barely even noticing we are being attacked. Or Johnson being caught upfield and a centre back dragged out wide to cover leaving gaping holes at the back. This is the problem with the fans, they only understand flicks and tricks, they never understand the defensive side of the game. They think a player who is rushing back to cover a gap they left open by being out of position is great, because they never saw the initial gap created by his lack of position.}

ED001 1 - 0 Sheldon Cooper

Lucas is quality and one of the first players on the team sheet. But its also nice to chuck Allen or Hendo in there now and then and still win games.

05 Dec 2013 12:43:30
I agree with Sheldon. Lucas is dreadful and is the main priority to replace. he is Dreadful as a DM

05 Dec 2013 12:47:09
Well said Ed

05 Dec 2013 13:21:06
imo its hard to pick out 1 player and say he is the reason we r letting in so many goals for me gerrards new way of playing is new to the likes of lucas, the defence changing all the time isn't helping skrtle imo there is a nervousness in the players and the fans aswell. at times I look and think we aren't far away from being a top 4 team and then we play like a team the other end of the league in games like everton we had both these aspects during the game as everyone 1 has been saying of late we will have a better clue to how good we really are this month tough games ahead let's hope we stand up to big teams midfields and get some points of them.

Your entire post is completely embarrassing.

Lucas should not be running back chasing the ball as often as he does. If he was sitting and holding his position a la makelele then there would be no need to be furiously jetting back all the time. That's the whole point of the system Rodgers plays.

I did not imply that the role of DM involves just man marking. are you saying that the DM would not be tasked with marking a man at no point during 90 mins? When Lucas is tasked with marking a man or keeping tabs on a player, whether it be set-pieces or at any point during open play. he is useless. that's my point. You are completely and utterly out of you depth and totally missing the point.

Whatever your fetish is over Lucas is clouding your judgement on him as a baller. if Alonso was brought in tomorrow Lucas would be out no question.

How many goals have we conceded due to set-plays as a result of lucas clumsiness, lack of pace or lack of positioning? Please tell me you are just being deliberately argumentative and you don't honestly believe Lucas isn't an issue?

Gerrard has been an abomination all season and shouldn't be anywhere near our first team on current form in my opinion so for you to imply that I am lodged inside his backside is quite simply foolishness.

I am not "just blaming lucas" the post was in regards to lucas and so I offered my opinion on lucas. if you want a complete run down on each and every player then I suggest you skittle over to Opta Stats because I've got better things to do with my time.

The entire midfield is a joke and the entire defence is only marginally worse. It is not just Lucas but his position is the most important in Rodgers system so of course he is going to be under more intense scrutiny than other players.

Get a grip mate.

{Ed001's Note - my post is embarrassing? Oh bless, you really do think you know what you are talking about don't you? Yet nothing in your post implies any kind of knowledge of the game at all. You think Lucas would be dropped if Alonso came back, when there is every chance the two would play alongside each other, as they are not the same type of player at all.

Have you watched our set plays? Clearly not or you would have seen that it is the defence that is constantly losing the men it should be marking, not the midfield. In open play, no defensive midfielder should ever be man marking, if you want a man marker, he has to be a man marker and have no other role in the game other than to make sure the man he is marking can't play his game. Lucas is never tasked with that, nor should he be, as he is far too busy covering the rest of the midfield.

I am not the one in need of 'getting a grip' as I am not the one who is posting utter tosh about a player that anyone with a clue about football sees is important to our play. His long term injury saw the form of the team nosedive, as we all saw, but your incredible knowledge of the game has obviously completely forgotten that.

You only know what you have when it is gone, it applied to Real Madrid losing Makalele, and, while Lucas is not as good as he was, it applied to us when we lost him. It is just a same a few short sighted clueless 'supporters' seem to have forgotten that lesson because they are too lacking in knowledge of the game to see what he does for the team.

I think it is you that needs to run along to Opta and have a look at what is happening, so you can acquaint yourself with the game of football and how to defend. Then you might understand what he brings to the table.}

05 Dec 2013 12:45:54
ED 01. Everything is perfect. execpt. Every manager would have him in his team sheet.
jose, pelligrini. moyes. wenger. AVB.
None would have him his team sheet. I guarante you.
But yes ofcourse If its just finish 6th-8th. then he would be there.
he is a good human being. good lad and pretty good player. But his position is the most important in a football match. Unfortunalty he has been pretty average in past 1 year.
I agree with your views on Skertel and Agger too. we have spend more money than any other team in the league for Defenders, yet we conceede more goals than even crystal palace.

I have never seen, any fan. any manager wanting Lucas TBH

{Ed001's Note - Perhaps you should check things out and you would find out that Rafa, among many others, has tried to buy Lucas on numerous occasions. The club has always rejected enquiries for him. Just because you are ignorant of the facts, doesn't mean it didn't happen.}

I tend to agree with Ed001. Between Johnson's tendency to constantly be out of position, Skrtel's tendency to backtrack and Stevie's tendency to not track back quickly enough, Lucas has quite the task on his hands (as does Hendo at times).

He may not quite make the crunching tackle that stops attacks in their tracks (a la Masch) but he's almost always in the right place at the right time to slow down attacks.

I'm glad he got some rest yesterday - he needs to reset for the big games. Would be the 3rd name on the team sheet for me after Suarez and Mignolet.

I hate the brown nosing that goes on.so i'm not doing that but ed1 is spot on forget stats and all the rest I notice from watching Liverpool every game lucas isn't the best dm in the world but he is and make no mistake about this a vitally important cog of this team.i mean are you that narrow minded watch how many vital toe poke tackles he makes.i mean he makes these sublime tackles from directly behind the opponent, there so hard to do and he does this several times per game.yes he fowls but many times we win the ball and counter.all as a result of his great work.and to personic fans like you your to busy watching the stepover merchants and the players with the shiny boots that run really fast.maybe he should spike his hair and get loadza tattoos then he might be a better player.rubbish apples

Ed, you are missing the point.

Lucas may not be at direct fault when we concede at set-plays but he commits an atrocious amount of fouls which leads to the set-piece in the first place.

I am only referring to Lucas' ineffectiveness in the holding role and not in any other role. Yes of course Alonso and him could play together but my point is if a proper deep-lying midfielder was brought in then lucas would be immediately dislodged from that specific role.

You have some difficulty processing simple information don't you?

Lucas is not a great DM. He is a great player and is far more effective in other areas of the pitch but we suffer due to his inexperience and lack of specialism in that role.

I do not need run along to Opta Stats, have a look at how many fouls and set-plays he has conceded and then come back to me and say we are not leaking goals and chances as a consequence of his ineptitude.

Get off your high horse. Not everybody has to share the same views as you. it may b a surprise to you but you are not the fountain of knowledge or wisdom that you believe you are.

I can guarantee Lucas will not be occupying the DM role next season.

{Ed001's Note - you are the one struggling to understand simple information, or perhaps it just went over your head? Only I quite clearly did discuss the fouls he gives away and gave my thoughts on it, but you seem to have ignored it or failed to understand simple information.

Your guarantee is that of a no mark talking cack. You have no idea what will be happening at the club next season, nor who will be playing where. You are in no position to guarantee anything.}

Thanks a lot ED01 for schooling that clueless plank who thinks he`s an expert but like you, those of us who KNOW the game and watch the game with great attention, know how important Lucas is to the team. Take last night, Norwih made it from their box to ours w/ relative ease at times because as you said, guys are always caught out of position and no Lucas to cover for them. He is CONSTANTLY exposed because he gets no help from his fellow midfielders especially Gerrard (even though he had a good game last night). Keep that knowledge coming, ED01. and BTW, Sheldon Cooper is a genius and a scientist and knows NOTHING about football.

05 Dec 2013 16:03:24
Lucas doesn't attack or really have any pace, so the notion that he would be more effective somewhere else is tosh.
Bringing in a deep lying playmaker would enhance Lucas, not replace him. If a deep lying midfielder comes in, it's Gerrards place he is taking,
Sorry man, I for one held my head in my hands when he was stretchered off at Chelsea, I knew what it meant to the team.
What happened? Our form went to pieces,
What happened when he came back? We got better.
Sheldon, the last thing I'm going to do is get into an argument with you, but if you choose to ignore our points tally with and without Lucas in the side, your an person.
It is simply there, in black and white, look up his stats man.

And I TOTALLY fail to see how, if he's a bad CDM, why his tackle rate is so high.

As you both pointed out, he needs to cut out the silly fouls from his game, for sure. I doubt anybody is going to argue with you there.
But please consider for a moment the roles of the people around him.
You will find more examples of Gerrard strolling back into position, and Lucas covering both his own zone and Stevie's, than you will find Lucas being responsible (directly or indirectly) for goals conceded.
Does he need to improve? Yes, he does. Does every single player in our squad need to improve? Yes, the hard work should never stop.
Are players such as Stevie, Agger Srktel and Johnson in need of a backside kick a little more than Lucas?
In my opinion, yes.

Lucas is not great, but he is a steady HM, I think he gets exposed many times because people in the middle can not keep the ball properly, we have players that their football ability to keep the ball is to pass it back, Yes it is his job to cover holes, but not that many. put couple of good CM infront of him, and you will see that he is better than what you think, Football is so much more than what the average eye sees, We won the game yesterday because of an individual greatness, not because we have such great talent all around, I can't tell how many bad runs players had yesterday, or how many time the midfield is not doing their job by just moving without the ball. I guess my point is, he is being put in a bad situation too many times.

Uhhhh. Lucas is top class. Anyone with eyes can see that. So important to our team, it's just Gerrard is too big to Liverpool to get dropped, and he just doesn't work in the more defensive role.

Lucas is the best defensive mid in the world and I don't think we could cope without him. God, he's a decent player but people don't half overate him ridiculously. Our midfield is a shambles to be honest - Gerrard doesn't compliment Lucas and vice verca. BR doesn't have it in him to drop Gerrard so the only solution is to upgrade on Lucas - which shouldn't be too difficult. Before Ed001 comes out saying I don't appreciate what dm's do and I only rate players with 'skills' - don't bother. Just because someone doesn't agree with you on Lucas doens't mean their footballing knowledge is non existent. It is possible to have an understanding of a defensive midfielder and not particularly be a fan of Lucas. It's all about opinions at the end of the day.

I do believe Lucas was the brasilian captain until his injury and a regular in the Brasil squad. Not too shabby for a player some people don't seem to rate.

To the guy slating Ed1, calm down lad and wind your neck in a little before dishing the abuse. Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion but no one is entitled to be rude and obnoxious to the Eds considering they have set up and maintained this I site for us all and give up so much of their time so that we can enjoy it.

Share your opinions yes, but keep the attitude stowed away please

Jesus I really opened a can of worms there didn't i.

I was only saying well done to Allen and all the gilfnards came out to slag off Lucas. Here was me thinking everyone had accepted he's a brilliant player after his injury left a massive gaping hole nobody could fill.

Nice one ed001 for sorting that gob job out.

05 Dec 2013 07:48:48
Great virtuoso performance from Suarez last night, it's such a putty we didn't play with the same passing intensity on Sunday.

I wish though we could find more players who could score goals, apart from SAS we don't offer much else, for years we have had the same problem. If Suarez was to get injured now not sure who in the team has a goal in them and shows just how thin our side is. I'm sure BR was hoping the likes of aspas was going to settle to provide some firepower but as usual we struggle go find that quality in our price band.

Henderson as good as he has improved has to work on his shooting boots along with the rest of them :-)

Fingers crossed we can go on a bit of a fun again.

Interesting point, take out Suarez and it's 1-1 last night.

05 Dec 2013 10:36:04
Take out Johnson who was a surprise choice then it's 1-0 to Liverpool (3 points). Take out Rooney and it's 1-0 to Everton ( oh yes it was!).
DM2013

Hopefully he doesn't get injured. united won the league with a fit RVP.

05 Dec 2013 06:22:15
Really don't think we have to worry about Suarez going anywhere, especially January. No one is going to fork out the money he's worth to FSG and Liverpool.

Might as well leave it to the summer, and have another long transfer saga on the same player.

you guys need to hope and get in the top 4.

If LS has a great season, NOBODY will be able to afford him without coming up w/ close to the Bale money.

Nobody can afford him because he is priceless

05 Dec 2013 05:06:44
Well done Suarez and nice to see a winger getting a goal needless as it may have been since we were 4-1 up. I still believe we lack that dangerous attacking threat on the wings.

Right wing = Mata, Shaqiri
Left Wing = Coutinho
Attacking Mid = Pastore

05 Dec 2013 08:50:42
DM. pls. for heave sake. Yetserday It prooved, what a difference it would make If gerrard or hendo or allen is played alongisde Sandro or a monster of a DM.

Gerrard and Henderson did very little yesterday. Allen didn't have a huge baring on the game attack wise or defence (this is no criticism of the just he wasn't the lynchpin of the performance). It was individual Suarez brilliance coupled with Coutinho playing centrally that made the difference. Lucas being on the pitch would not have made any difference to the score line in my opinion.

05 Dec 2013 02:10:55
Great response today. I still don't feel comfortable with sterling starting, though he deserved his goal. I would really love to see Alberto get some more playing time, and dare I say give Aspas a shot up alongside Suarez?

Luis unreal today. Close to best single performance I have ever seen by any player, in any era

05 Dec 2013 00:38:09
sorry to be negative on a night like tonight, but Henderson's shooting is abymal, couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo tied to his backside! I say give Alberto a run and drop Hendo.

His shooting's been poor but we need Henderson in the midfield, without him there is far too little mobility and not enough pressing of the opposition; Alberto wouldn't make up for that. I'd like to see Alberto get more game time though, but it would have to be in place of one of the other forwards, most realistically Sterling, though he's doing OK himself at the moment.

Alberto has come on in an attacking position the last 2 games but he has been guilty of giving the ball away in a deep position on more than 1 occasion when there was nearly no one to cover for him . I am just not sure he is upto it yet .

Because the one shot you saw on motd?
how fickle. if you actually watched the game he was fantastic on the wing, and our possesion stat was down to him suarez and sterling rushing their back line.

Not many other players scoring either mate - do we drop them also? Is Hendo really in the side for his goal scoring ability? I don't know to be fair, but I am not sure he should be dropped for his shooting accuracy.

Crazy talk IMO

Hendo is a workhorse and without him we would have lost more games for sure. He continues hassling players and applying pressure throughout games, forcing mistakes. He passes more than he shoots which is the good news I guess

05 Dec 2013 09:00:15
Rubbish.
We would be the only team who actually have a player for his workhorse?.
He is an OK Midfielder, and has been here from 3 seaosn, yet he is almost at the same level with the execption of slight improvment.
Ramirez has got pace, But is Hendo better than Him?

Every midfielder should chip in with goals. Alberto has good technical abilty but very slow. Norwich might have been a good game for him but he would be found out against better teams.

I feel hendo should be played along side Lucas as a b2b
that is the best position for him. he isn't quick enough to be played as a winger and isn't creative enough to be played as an attacking mid (coutinho is the man for that position)
hendo has good energy and work rate and it will compliment everyone else in the team if he plays alongside Lucas

05 Dec 2013 10:12:09
I have always said this. You have to play at their natural position rather than expirementing.
If henderson has the attribute of CM, then he should be played there, If we have a better pedigree than him, then he should be on the bench.
Whats the use of playing him at RWB, RW, LW. this is total rubbish, just for the sake of his tempo and enegergy.

At least he's getting into the positions to miss and still putting in the effort every game. Can you say that about the rest of the midfield?
His shooting is awful at times though I agree and I'm sure he will be working on it and hopefully improving it.

So Alberto`s crap because he gave one or two balls away? Some of our fans are just clueless. If you watched last night`s game, he was VERY tidy on the ball and crip in his passing and had a decent shot on target. Allen, LS, Hendo, SG, GJ and sterling all gave the ball away too. Hence, they must ALL be crap. Clueless post!

05 Dec 2013 16:14:21
Ramirez who flopped at Soton and is looking for a move away from EPL? Yeah, I'd say Henderson is better than him.

04 Dec 2013 23:24:34
Ed002- have Liverpool or any EPL team held interest with Victor Ibargo?

{Ed002's Note - No.}