Liverpool Banter Archive December 05 2015

05 Dec 2015 19:51:17
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05 Dec 2015 20:32:10
Seen what u did there.

05 Dec 2015 19:01:01
Hello there Eds.
On the GK position do you see Ter Stegen as viable and the same question about Ricardo Rodriguez for LB?
Also do you see us signing a winger anytime in the near future.
Cheers for the posts and Happy Christmas to all Reds.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

05 Dec 2015 19:35:09
Oh right. Thanks for the informative reply.

{Ed002's Note - So you want me to repeat answers that have already been given for some knuckle-dragging moron like you - just because you are too lazy or two ignorant to either read the answers to posts that have already been given or use the search engine that is provided?}

05 Dec 2015 19:46:14
To be fair, if Liverpool haven't got any interest in them, how can you provide more information? No means no mate!

05 Dec 2015 17:58:38
Hey eds01, do u think that ward would perhaps benefit a lot from having a year as the no1 for an EPL side, before he is truly ready to take the no 1 jersey?
If yes, then is there any chance of striking a deal with Bournemouth in the January window or next season ( if they stay up) because presently none of their keepers even seem to be decent.

Thanks and keep up the good work. :-D.

{Ed001's Note - and why would we want to send him out on loan to them? We need a keeper in the summer, if he is ready for the Prem, then we should be the ones to put him in.}

06 Dec 2015 08:55:21
The keeper situation is confusing. Everyone calling for Mignolet's head, but Klopp seemingly backing him up. When you say Liverpool needs a keeper in the summer, would that primarily be a replacement for Mignolet or Bogdan, and is it purely your opinion or based on rumours/facts (as in, do you "know" Liverpool are actively looking for a new keeper? )?

I do try to read the site daily, so I'm sorry if I just made a "RTFP"-worthy question.

Personally, I think Ward seems exciting, and it is kinda odd that we had to splash out on Bogdan when both Ward and Vigoroux seem like very capable backups. Loaning one and keeping one as reserve/cup/challenger would seem more sensible to me.

{Ed001's Note - Klopp is hardly going to say Migs is crap. Ward has a chance to be the number one based on his performances this season. It is up to him. The club are looking at other keepers.}

05 Dec 2015 17:15:02
edds your opinon and others. at the moment everyoneseems to be saying we need to get rid of joe allen migs even edo1 on skrts. and then others sayind we need this top player and so on but do we is the question? as under Rodgers I used to think the same but honestly not anymore as everyone has improved massively lovern skrts migs and joe allen all looked really good recently and now you look at are squad with evrytone fit looks really impressive at the moment with lots of depth look at the Southampton game no counts benteke firmino sakho hendo clyne. so I would leave it till the summer see how people progress under klopp because at the moment it is going so well.

05 Dec 2015 18:30:59
I agree with you post. Summer is the best time to do some tweaking. All we need is two to three very good signings for the first team at the areas where we are weak and we'll be good to go. We already have a very strong squad with other players to come back into the team next season after long injury lay offs.

05 Dec 2015 14:21:13
Watching Stoke v City and anyone who thinks we're already in the final of the capital one cup needs to think again. Stoke look really good.

05 Dec 2015 14:36:43
City look real bad.

05 Dec 2015 14:43:13
Stoke playing gegenpressing too. Guess it will be the Welsh Klopp vs the real Klopp when we play stoke.

05 Dec 2015 15:02:58
And we know how that Welsh comparison ends!

05 Dec 2015 15:08:32
Suddenly every one is a gegenpressing expert.

05 Dec 2015 15:42:54
While others are just experts on everything.

05 Dec 2015 15:45:48
We'll smash Stoke and it will be over after the 1st leg.

05 Dec 2015 15:49:26
There are others too besides klopp comparison. We have also match up between welsh pirlo and maradona of alps, star studded match indeed.

05 Dec 2015 17:06:28
"gegenpress" just sounds like another one of those fad words like "tiki-taka" and "world class".

05 Dec 2015 18:37:51
Stoke did to City, the very same thing we did to them at the Emptyhad. Like us, they played without a recognized CF, played forwards with great mobility and movement and to top it all coincidentally, City defensively, were aweful (Sagna, and Demichelis need to be benched or sold) . Good to know that we have provided the blueprint for teams to beat City. Kudos to Heir Klopp!

05 Dec 2015 13:04:57
I think Joe Allan should stick around. He has the energy and desire to succeed (that's very Brendan of me lol) he is a decent baller who understands its a squad game and he would give his all when called upon. With only 18 months left on his contract how would people feel if he was offered a new deal? I think he should get one.

With regards to Mingolet, I'd keep him too. Hasn't put a foot wrong under Klopp and also had more clean sheets in 2015 than any other keeper. Great shotstopper who had no confidence under Rodgers. Since Klopp has come in Mingolet seems to be more confidant and seems to be talking to the defenders in front of him. Most goals conceeded under Klopp have been from dead ball situation. The defence had to take some of the responsibility for the goals conceeded too with some terrible situations they left the keeper in. Would you replace or stick with what you got?
Just my opinion.

05 Dec 2015 13:33:31
I think the first question should be "do we need a central midfielder better than we have currently got? "; if so we replace with the weakist link - which regardless of a couple of decent games is Joe Allen.

The same applies for Mignolet; I think Grobs called it correctly when he said Shot stopping is a given for a goalkeeper and they should have other attributes (that Mignolet does not posses) .

The two points above rely on their being fund available - i'd sell Allen a. s. a. p. and let Rossiter and Chilvera have some first team football.

05 Dec 2015 13:40:12
Allen just is not good enough plain and simple.
He doesn't show for possession.
He isn't strong in the teckle (infact I'd say he's very weak)
Not good at defending set pieces
Not good going forward (not even close)
Defensively he's not the most aware of his positioning to play deep.
He isn't strong on the ball
He doesn't have a good passing range
He can't play fast tempo 1 touch passing football in the final 3rd
He can't shoot

I really just don't see what he offers us going forward in this squad and the type of football we are playing, he's so far behind our first choice 3 mids in Can Lucas and Henderson, and I don't see him as better than Milner, or what he offers that some youth player couldn't fulfil if injuries hit. He would simply take up a squad space for me that could be better utilised by a more well rounded player. This will seem a harsh analysis, but I just can't see what he offers our team over the next 2 seasons if he gets a new contract. He was a costly mistake, who has done nothing to earn a new contract for me he will simply sit on the bench in either a 433 or 4231 formation. I'd rather bring in a player that will really push Can lucas Milner and Henderson, or allow a youh player like Chirivella, Rossiter to sit on the bench as part of the match day squad.

Migs was never the right keeper to purchase. Though some of the criticism he's sustained has been unfair and lacks any understanding of the role. I would only offer a new contract if no suitable replacement can be found.

05 Dec 2015 14:38:13
Joe Allen has a few good games but not enuff to warrant a place in the squad. This is his FOURTH season here yet we're still debating if he's good enuff. That in itself, answers the question. He is not good enuff for where we wanna get to. No more passengers allowed anymore under Klopp and if you're going to be one, you'd better be a young player who needs guidance on the pitch. Hence, sell him. As for Mingo, I think he will be replaced because this is his third season here and he still lacks all the other aspects other than shot stopping. If he doesn't have them now, we're not going to wait around until he does so like Allen, sell him too.

05 Dec 2015 13:57:29
Everyone could have their opinion, Bob and the majority are framed on what you see on the pitch.
Some of your requisite above for a good central midfielder doesn't cut for Can, Milner neither. For example, he doesn't have good passing range.

Who has it Bob? Milner? Can? because of that one assist?

He can't play fast tempo one touch passing? And who does it brilliantly?

Well I'll quit football if people believe Milner is a better Central midfielder than Allen. And I have been kicking the ball for a very long time.

05 Dec 2015 15:30:25
At 25 years old Allen still can improve. I do agree if we can get a better player in that position we should go for it but I don't think we should look at CM unless we need to. I definitely think he's a better CM than Milner. A lot of players that have started doing well under Klopp that were not playing to there highest standards under Rodgers and Allen could be one.

I do agree with some of the comments above alright though.

The curious case of Joe Allen lol.

05 Dec 2015 15:49:13
EG are you saying Allen has a better passing range than Can?
If you want to know Allen's passing range you draw a line between his heels, extend it 5 yards either side and draw a semi circle behind him (radius approx 5.5 yards) .

05 Dec 2015 16:06:24
Another embarrassing Post Harry.

Can is 5 years younger and learning the game. But most of what I said Can is more than capable of delivering. Certainly a lot more capable than your newest project of fandom. I;m sure you just jump from one issue to another to seem intelligent and have a different opinion.

To say Can doesn't have a good passing range is quite frankly laughable. I don't even know what else to say to such a controversial comment. What does 1 assist have to do with a passing range?

When I talk about range I mean the ability to do a multitude of things, spray out wide to wingbacks, outside and inside boots passes splitting defense, looking up and putting a 40 yard ball out on the counter to an attacker, a quick incisive pass or lob over the top for Lallana or Studge. Can has shown in almost every game he has this range and isn't afraid to try it. Hendo does too.
This is why Can concedes a small % of posession more, because he's willing to try these things to cut defenses open, and open up the play, instead of keeping it in confined defenses areas such that Allen does and relying on team mate movement to his side or behind him withing 20 yards. (please teake a good read of what I've put her)

Fast tempo one touch passing. Have you seen hendo at the edge of the area with studdirge over the years? Or coutinho, I can actually even count Milner in there from his city days out wide with Silva (though yet to show it at LFC)

I would quite football mate.

05 Dec 2015 17:10:55
Wait EG. you've "been kicking the ball for a very long time"? And here I am thinking you were about 14.

05 Dec 2015 17:32:54
Bobatron your just listing attributes and saying Allen doesn't have them. To say he doesn't show for the ball is foolish.

05 Dec 2015 17:37:12
Might also be worth telling Soton he doesn't have s good passing range, they might disagree.

05 Dec 2015 17:48:20
Your going to base one pass on the half volley as passing range? not really objective. 1 single sample in 3 years. good going.

Allen doesn't show for the ball from defensive areas, he actively moves away so as not to receive a pass in a difficult area because he knows how weak he is in posession. Have you watched him in the last 3 years? if so you'd know this.

Of course I;m listing attributes and saying Allen doesn't have them, that's how you make a point isn't it?

05 Dec 2015 18:41:20
The fact that we are still debating whether Allen is good enuff at LFC in his FOURTH season proves exactly that he is not.

05 Dec 2015 19:53:39
Guys just let EG have his Allen moment, it'll pass, Just like the Kovacic phase, the cazorla phase.

05 Dec 2015 16:32:25
Can is a decent player with huge expectations on the should at least now. Yes he is young and could go on to become the next Ballack or Deco. But certainly not another Mascherano.

Can lacks positional awareness. Plain and simple. He might learn initially bought to replace Lucas now play alongside him.

Well your point on Milner is laughable. I don't think Milner is ahead of any central midfielder in the club.

Two managers have realized the fact Milner couldn't play in the middle except Bob.

I am not a huge fan of Allen and I truly believe there some real gems outside who could easily replace him in terms or Footballing abilities. But Milner is not that player in any world.

05 Dec 2015 23:23:34
Can could be the next deco?
Hows that green stuff?

06 Dec 2015 00:10:58
Milner being ahead of Allen (your little fave) isn't laughable, a lot of people have said they have Milner ahead of Allen in the pecking order.

I am not saying Milner plays central, Infact I've said previously he's shown he can't and I would prefer him out wide if he plays. We've even discussed this Harry with regard to him crossing and playing wide in a 4231., you're just making things up in your head now (pathetic) but even still I would prefer him central than Allen, that's how poor Allen is in the deep role.

Can is currently playing box to box, the best utilisation of his ability.

06 Dec 2015 01:11:59
Milner is an engine in midfield with his fitness and ability to tackle back, yet can also get forward and provide passes/crosses into the box. He can play wide and centrally even if not his optimum position.

He's certainly more effective in attack, and marginally more effective in defence than Allen IMO (Allen is probably a better tackler but Milner is less likely to be bullied, especially against sides putting a lot of crosses/booting it upfield)

Allen is a lovely player but fills a gap we don't have once Rossiter and Chirivella mature, and we have more pressing needs elsewhere on the pitch (most notably cover at CB, FB and perhaps even a winger) . If we got a price over 12-15mln then I think we should thank him for his commitment and professionalism over the years, but let him go to a side that will value him as a regular first team player.