Liverpool Banter Archive February 05 2017

05 Feb 2017
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Sir boby Charlton on Gerrard

05 Feb 2017 19:32:58
Great 3 - 2 win today for the u23's after being 2 - 0 down at half-time. The manager changed the system at half time to a midfield diamond and didn't wait until they 80th minute. Ojo scored with a great finish, Wilson and Stewart got the other goals.

05 Feb 2017 19:41:54
Why didn't he wait till 80th minute Dan?

05 Feb 2017 19:54:04
Because he seen the problem and sorted it, instead of sticking with something that wasn't working. 😂😂.

05 Feb 2017 21:18:08
That was clever of him.

05 Feb 2017 22:56:56
Sack klopp and give him the main job, after that glowing recommendation danray, well done fella you've just won most disgraceful poster of the weekend 👍.

05 Feb 2017 23:13:32
Wilson seems to score in every game. Get him on the bench at least! We need goals.

06 Feb 2017 00:58:42
It was a peno - not to say he hasn't been excellent but I watched the game and not so obvious he was any better than Ojo, but both were very good. TAA was the best on pitch IMO though and put in a lot of dangerous crosses while also showing could cut inside and get into the box and create problems. Gomez, Woodburn and Brewster played well too. Stewart was an interesting one. looked fantastic sometimes but then gave away a lot of possession at other times. think Matty Virtue looked more solid IMO.

06 Feb 2017 01:00:37
Also just to add Grabara looks like a fantastic talent, had no chance for their goals, but looked very composed and saved the game from getting away from us.

06 Feb 2017 10:45:42
Nothing disgraceful about it Waro, the manager seen a way to get back in the game and get a result. Now correct me if i am wrong but is it not a managers job to get results?

05 Feb 2017 19:16:34
I think part of the problem we are currently experiencing is the fact that we were eliminated from 2 cup competitions whilst playing severely weakened teams.

Every player wants to win a trophy and the fact we were so close to Wembley and fielded a much weakened team has had a negative phycological impact.

The players probably knew that we were too far off the pace to mount a sustained PL challenge, and although top 4 is a target the disappointment of having no trophies to chase is telling, in my humble opinion.

We need to get over this problem soon, because we have now just dropped out of the top 4, and need to show how much we really want it.

We need to start showing the fight and fire of pre January, otherwise our slide will continue.

It is really amazing how we have gone from being the most exciting team in the PL, to perhaps the most boring so far this year.

05 Feb 2017 19:29:12
You're going around the houses here mate. It isn't anything to do with the disappointment of cup competitions, we're just awful. The club as a whole is just a mess - the fans at matches, the people who run the transfers, the management, the players, sprinkled with an awful lot of bad luck and we are snowballing into a complete breakdown during the run in. Its been pathetic and nobody seems to have any motivation to sort it out.

05 Feb 2017 19:54:15
Well said Anonymous.
This is not about bad coaching.
Entire lfc staffs are to blame as it seened like they don't want the team to win.
Everytime team want to challenge for a title these things happen.
They want to put blame on a coacher.
They should feel ashamed.

05 Feb 2017 22:34:40
KBL
Are you suggesting these players need a Doctor? Someone to treat their mental problems. Give me a break mate. We lost coz we were well beaten by teams who wanted more, who set up a tactic and executed well and we are still loosing coz we don't know how to beat that tactics. Stop fooling around people with these synonyms mental issue, fatigue, wind and what more. The boss himself has squashed all those stupid words.
We move on and for heaven sake let's hope Klopp has found out a way to counter these teams who come and put up a shop

Thank you.

05 Feb 2017 22:24:41
There is an attitude problem with this team when it comes o playing against lesser teams. They seem to no longer have the will to claw and fight for a result like a did earlier in the season vs said teams. Now, they just pass the ball around or pass to Cots or Firmino and see what happens.

Can does this too. He makes runs in the box but once the ball doesn't come to him instead of drifting wide to find space and drag a defender out of position for another player to run into, he just stops and the move is dead. Migs the clanger has gone back to who we have known him to be and that's not surprising. Studge and Origi have been poor and made Mane's absence look worse due to their inability to step up.

Klopp needs to figure out what has changed and where the stomach for a scrap has gone to. Tactically, he needs to change something, bench some players or something, just to find a spark cos right now, we don't even have a flicker nor a sign of a pulse.

05 Feb 2017 18:52:14
Right now we are poor, very poor, in fact it would be hard to recognise the same players from early season form, just briefly on that score I can't help but think had we stuck to Wiji in midfield like before Can was fit and just played someone from the youth in Manes position until he came back we would have at least kept our shape and style better, we've had far too many changes for a side that already shoehorns players into positions and its caught up on us.
Aside from that all this complaining about Klopps 6 year deal on the back of Hamman moaning is daft, nobody complained about Klopp and his deal when he got it and we were top of the league and everyone was also worried due to us looking awesome that he might run off to Bayern at the drop of a hat.
He still has in large part Rodgers squad, he clearly at the beginning had to work with what he had but dip in form or not he is quite clearly capable of doing the job and sorting this mess out.
Hes made mistakes and he's blind to certain players but the system does work if everyone is onboard/ good enough to play it.
Cut the man some slack, he was the second coming in November, he isn't the second coming of Hodgson in one month.
Reality check fellas.

05 Feb 2017 19:04:10
totally agree mate the one thing the last few games have shown is the players are feeling the pressure no compsure when were in an around the box, just hitting in an hoping for the best the hull game was so frustrating for that esp the second half.

05 Feb 2017 22:28:31
Ritchie, I agree with you and coming from a huge Klopp fan, I will never bail on him. However, he has to change something to reignite that spark. Change of tactics, formation, benching out of form players, something needs to change cos right now, I don't know where our next goal will come from, not even our next win.

05 Feb 2017 18:04:57
What has happened to Harry I've been logging in to have a read and nothing from my favourite poster 😥.
I hope you are well my good man.

05 Feb 2017 18:23:24
Mathematics posted this afternoon mate 🙂.

05 Feb 2017 19:06:07
Yes I am mate. Thanks for the concern ☺BTW beautiful display picture mate. Kiddo looks cute ☺.

06 Feb 2017 11:37:56
Thanks Ron for keeping me up to date. Hello Harry I can have a read through the posts now and thanks for kind words.

05 Feb 2017 17:40:53
city an utd both winning today we really need to get back on track soon or well be left behind in a matter of weeks . spurs game is gona be huge win that it could spark us back into life lose it an were really gona struggle to get into the top 4.

05 Feb 2017 15:33:09
When I said LFC should have gone for Jesus in January because he fits Klopp's targets ie good and one for the long term and asked whether it was a question of money, I got 'no'to both suggestions from one of the eds. Also some reds said just because he played well in his first game does nt mean he will come good. Everybody could see and sees now that he has skills, speed and an eye for goal. Unfortunately, we are still stuck in the mindset of 'young and affordable', which means we will always lose out on targets. I agree we should not just splash the cash but sometimes a financial sacrifice is well worth it.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has had no interest in the player (none, nada, zip) and there was no way on earth that Manchester City would have sold him in January. Just fantasy football.}

05 Feb 2017 15:39:18
I meant before Man City bought him.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has had no interest in the player (none, nada, zip) and there was no way on earth that he would have moved to Liverpool. Just fantasy football.}

05 Feb 2017 17:18:24
Even if we were interested, why would he come to us over City? We have won precious little for over a decade, we have had 1, disasterous, champions league run since Rafa was sacked.
Money is not the only requirement to sign players, we have lost a lot of prestige to the top players of today.

05 Feb 2017 22:41:41
I like your optimism Ron, but with your keeper and defence I think Spurs and City are best placed to challenge should Chelsea implode ( highly unlikely )

05 Feb 2017 22:34:19
I guess Gab Jesus is another one in the long list of players Liverpool "missed out" on even tho, we had no interest in him. Good Grief!

05 Feb 2017 16:08:54
Because we don't match his ambition ed?

{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool has had no interest in the player (none, nada, zip). It is getting a tad embarrassing.}

05 Feb 2017 14:36:34
The sooner people on here, including the manager, understand that teams have well and truly sussed us out, then the sooner Liverpool Football CLub will start winning games again.

This is NOT the players fault, as our manager categorically stated at the start of the season that this was his team now - not Brendans - and that he was happy with what players were at his disposal, so the blame lies with him.

We're still lucky to have our manager at our club, but he needs to sway with the times and change things a little to keep opposition teams on their toes.

It'll all come good again.

05 Feb 2017 18:59:08
And what makes you and others think he won't? Can't believe the way your all talking about a world class manager, he is the victim of his own success this season, if we'd have had an indifferent start and were gradually improving and are were man utd are right now you would all be happy as pigs in you know what, but because he had you dreaming of the league is why your all now throwing your toys out the pram.

I knew we could never sustain what we did in the opening four months because we have a right footed midfielder at left back, an OK right back one good centre back two others who are an accident waiting to happen one dismally awful keeper and a young lad who's still learning his trade, so this is why I'm a bit more relaxed than most. One thing I'm certain of is klopp will sort it out and the long term future is bright. So can you all relax and stop moaning, we'll be back on track soon.

05 Feb 2017 21:10:17
Funny that Waro, just 4 weeks ago you were on the United page spewing how "Jose has been found out", "teams above united won't collapse", "Jose record worse that mvg when in fact it's klopps that's worse than lvg after same amount of games", "offering Jose a new contract was laughable after a few wins", yet you tied klopp down to a 6 year deal for what? Funny how you've changed your tune now and "knew you wouldn't sustain your form". BRILLIANT.

05 Feb 2017 22:10:52
I didn't know we wouldn't sustain our form, I saw Leicester confound the cynics last season and I hoped we could do the same. To be honest, I don't see why we couldn't and if Chelsea implode then I see us as the best ones to win it - STILL.
Waro has made a good point about where we are in February, this has been a good season so far.
We need a few tweaks and we'll be back scoring for fun 😎.

05 Feb 2017 22:47:03
Great post, Waro. It was that approach and unnecessary pressure that led to Karius, a young and talented GK, to be scapegoated by many of his own fans overreacting to him making a couple of mistakes all in the name of "he's losing us the PL" nonsense in favor of Migs. How's that going right now with Migs back in goal? Peachy, right.

Many got carried away and now are shocked that Klopp is having a bad run as if that has never happened before. They kept comparing us to a Chelsea team, two seasons removed from a PL title with all their player still intact. Klopp has done great work with this team and since he and it is going through a bad run, he has earned the right to be supported in his quest to get us out of it and knee jerk reactions don't help.

After all, Klopp got us to 2nd in the PL only five weeks ago so if you supported him then, why change now or are you a bandwagon fan (not you, Waro)?

05 Feb 2017 13:54:37
i am huge fan of klopp and i believe he is the best man to take us forward in time but there will be a lot of ups and downs along the way. but could someone with more knowledge and maybe experience in coaching explain to me why we struggle so badly at basic defending at corners etc. hull had one corner and score we had thirteen and zip. is it bad coaching by klopp and his team is this the jink in is armour i mean they've been here over a year and no improvement. a genuine question and would appreciate a genuine answer.

05 Feb 2017 14:46:47
My take on the defeat yesterday as I was in east stand and no communication was happening ( hull supporters around me saw that mignolet was also a mistake waiting to happen) Liverpool have been Sussed out and making substitutions makes no difference Keep the faith we have a top manager who will sort it, will be sat in Kop Saturday evening getting behind the team ( season ticket holder) ymwa.

05 Feb 2017 12:46:31
Disappointed with recent result/ form but i am a believer and remember what Klopp said when he first joined.
"We will win the league within 4 years".
He has been at Liverpool just over 1 year. It seems like a project and building process and hopefully his wish will be granted.
Time and patience my friends.

05 Feb 2017 12:13:22
Can I ask the moaners something! How did you all feel about klopp and the players after the man city game on new years eve? I ask because I didn't hear any of you moaning around that time you see, so bad results apart why have you all done a 360 and now want a new manager and another 10 players? Why did none of you voice these concerns/ opinions/ whines 36 days ago? Verruca salt generation " don't care how I want it now! "

None of you will admit this, but had a clearly offside goal at the mancs not been allowed and we'd won, or the 2 stone wall pens against Southampton been given and we were at Wembley or mignolet doing something I've never seen before at any level of football and we'd have nicked a win against Chelsea, would you be still of the same opinion that klopp should go and we are awful etc etc or would you be up the crack of klopps arse as one poster accused me of being last night?

These by the way are not excuses for our poor form at the moment but a mere point of view that the margins in football are so fine that these knee jerk reactions are totally uncalled for not at all helpful. Maybe some of you need a wee bit of perspective before posting and stop making yourselves look like media whore whiners with zero loyalty to the club they profess to love.

05 Feb 2017 12:40:42
Well said waro. the fickleness of some 'fans' drives me insane. Never happy unless their berating the players or the manager.

05 Feb 2017 13:04:48
Finally some common sense.
Makes a nice change.

05 Feb 2017 13:10:12
A lot of "what might have beens" in that statement and if they won matches we would never be beaten. I don't want ten new player's i just want the bloody ones we have to turn up. I know what they can do because i seen them doing it before Christmas. It's the point they are not stopping the rot that has fans angry.

05 Feb 2017 13:11:43
Good to see you Waro mate. Good post.

05 Feb 2017 13:13:34
I'm not going to have a go at the manager or individuals because the whole team is playing below average.
Results aside, we haven't been playing well.
We need to start games with more urgency and we need to sort our set pieces out at both ends.
That's what I'd like Kloppo to work on.

05 Feb 2017 13:40:12
Waro did you not call for Rodgers to be sacked 4 months into a new season after taking Liverpool to 2nd in the previous season? I don't see much difference really. You either support to club, the players and the manager no matter what, especially mid way in a season. I don't think you get the right to pick and choose.

{Ed001's Note - depends on if the manager is taking the club forward or not. Rodgers was a buffoon who was embarrassing and should never have been appointed. Klopp is a proven winner and the right choice, now it is just the fans embarrassing the club.}

05 Feb 2017 17:27:50
Jurgen Klop is a good coach, i believe something behind the scene is going on to make the team loose in order to criticise Klop.
We need to suport Klop and his philosophy to win something.

05 Feb 2017 18:20:11
Waro the bad form started in november bar few good results in december has continued I for one don't want him to go far from it but he has to learn witch of corse he will he's only been here 15/ 16 months the players need to sort this mentality they have against the so called lower teams and tge fans need to back there team on the pitch look how the crowd drove us on against dortmand its not called the 12 man for no reason. Now I do understand some critism but a lot is silly childish stuff. At the end of the day owners manager players fans all have improve as one cheers.

05 Feb 2017 18:40:58
Well said Waro.

I'm a sucker disappointed, frustrated and angry as the next fan, but I'm still happy we have Klopp.

Unfortunately in the last few games, those fine margins seem to be going consistently against us. I am fearful of the confidence imapct on the players, and I do believe we need a few more key first team signings in the summer.

We are not far away from consistently challenging but we need some luck to stay in the CL places or we will struggle for the players again. We don't want to get stuck in a vicious circle/ spiral as we have been for most of the last 8 years.

I honestly believe if we can get into the CL, the spiral will be upwards not downwards.

05 Feb 2017 19:08:50
Yes Irish, but that was his third season so were your getting the comparison to what's going on here I don't know, ed001 has pretty much answered your post for me, I didn't want Rodgers but gave him a chance and supported him, I said all this at the time, I said I'd give him the same support for the same length of time these owners gave Kenny and I actually tried to get behind him for longer than that.

Don't use me as a platform for you to Slag klopp off, man up and say what you feel.

05 Feb 2017 19:26:10
Im not slagging anyone off. I will stick by my opinion at the start of the season. Anything less than top 4 will be a failure in my eyes. I will stick with that thanks.

05 Feb 2017 20:11:46
So refreshing to hear a sensible realistic voice of reason Waro, I rarely post but you've summed up my thoughts 100%, back in December I was still saying that 4th would be a superb season for us, we were (now are) never going to win the league this season, even in our peak there was always Chelsea above us picking up points even when they played badly, now we're playing badly and not picking up points.

The trouble with a few (hopefully minority) Liverpool fans that post on here is that when we're winning they think we'll win the league and when we're losing (after the Southampton 2nd leg) they call radio stations and call for Klopp's head and demand he is replaced by Simeone! It makes us genuine loyal Liverpool fans look completely stupid.

Yes Klopps got flaws and yes he may be partly to blame for some things which are going wrong but this is his first full season in charge, let's give him a chance to learn from his mistakes and see how we're doing this time next year. You don't become a bad manager or a bad team overnight, it will come together again so let's not give Klopp any reason to walk away as he's the best thing to happen to the club for a long long time.

05 Feb 2017 23:02:58
Brilliant post, Waro. The fine margins of football indeed BUT the "moaners" on here have short memories and delude themselves into thinking that we are in the same league with Chelsea, a team two years removed form a PL win with the very same squad intact.

The same people scapegoated Karius for making a couple of mistakes (clearly no GK has ever done this before) in favor of a known failure in Migs. How's that working out right now? And comparing BR to Klopp need not be dignified with a response as it is that daft a comparison.

05 Feb 2017 11:43:37
I know everyone is still disappointed with the results of late but doesn't anyone think that our main problem (apart from having dodgy keepers) is our lack of ability regarding set pieces?

For example, match after match we seem to absolutely tan the other teams possession wise but every time we get a set piece we are unable to do anything with it. We can't defend them and we can't seem to execute them in a way that gives us any benefit.

That said though we do need real quality purchases in the summer. Players that are winners. If we get top 4 then it's easier to attract them. If we don't then we're going to have to throw money at them so they come.

05 Feb 2017 12:10:49
I think our issue is the way we set up to play. It is based on Liverpool overpowering teams and getting the first goal, which means teams have to then change their tactics to try and get back into the game. When this doesn't happen then we tend to leave gapping holes in our defence which is the weakest area of the team. We are still very fragile at the back and obviously the pressure mounts the longer the team take to break the opposing team down. I hate to say it but it does seem as if Klopp can't adjust and only has the "one" way of playing, which is great when it works but as the last while has shown not so good when we are struggling up front. I don't think its an individual thing but more of a collective group that are playing badly. Not getting the results puts pressure on everyones game and that is quite evident when you see the same old cracks again in our defending. What i will say is that we still have a lot to play for. As i said at the start of the season that top 4 is a must and anything else in my opinion would be failure by Klopp. We can easily still do that but we need to act and sort out the issues fast.

05 Feb 2017 12:19:49
1000% this. Yesterday I think we had 13 corners in the 2nd half, but instead of the ball being whipped in having purpose, the ball is put in more hopefully, and rarely beats the first man. I can't understand what they do in training, but the corners have been a problem for many seasons, long before Klopp. Even when Coutinho took over corner duty yesterday the balls in were awful. I think it is something that drastically needs to improve, because the corner and free kicks are a massive part of the game, and they seem to be neglected.

05 Feb 2017 12:14:18
What about freekicks? I don't even remember us scoring one from free kick. Our players ain't got that ability to find the net.

05 Feb 2017 12:38:20
15 corners to 1 kevlaw, but they scored their 1 and we didn't.

05 Feb 2017 12:42:58
"Our players ain't got that ability to find the net". One month of (very) bad form and you conclude this about us? Wow well done.

05 Feb 2017 12:44:08
We can't break teams down.

{Ed001's Note - then we would not get any chances or goals at all, which is clearly not the case. More utter knee jerk bull.}

05 Feb 2017 12:52:22
It does need to be looked at, we rarely seem to be a threat from dead balls. When we can't break teams down to get clear opportunities we do tend to get a lot of corners and free kicks yet rarely find our own player. Not sure if it's the delivery or the personnel we have attacking the balls which is the issue ( perhaps both) if we're not winning those first balls we need to look at alternate ways to play those situations.

05 Feb 2017 13:11:45
It's almost like we don't prioritise these situations in training as much as other teams do. Set pieces will always be a good opportunity to score. Against these "bus-parkers" we should absolutely prioritise set pieces because they are such a good opportunity to score.
Similarly, set pieces against us for "bus parkers" will be their best chance to score, so equally we should be 100% focussed and organised.

Our set pieces at both ends are just "sloppy" and you don't expect that from a German manager.

05 Feb 2017 13:15:51
Thanks Ron, I wasnt sure the full stats, just remembered the commentator saying we had 13 corners. Cheers for the clarification.

05 Feb 2017 09:17:08
Great site Eds. Is there a possibility that the lack of new CEO until the summer might be linked to new investment, either part or full takeover - or is it purely down to the right person not being available until then?

The reason for the question is that if there were to be new investment in the club would they want their own man at the helm?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - (a) No, Mike Gordon is assuming to role. (b) If there were a takeover then yes.}

05 Feb 2017 10:22:00
Thanks Ed, didn't realise Mike Gordon had been announced.

{Ed002's Note - Who said he had been announced?}

05 Feb 2017 10:43:33
Ah I see, thanks Ed, without a crystal ball do you think he is the right man for the job?

{Ed002's Note - He has been effectively running the club for some time.}

05 Feb 2017 11:22:12
It was in the papers yesterday that the identity of the new CEO is to remain secret until he's announced, it's not a secret on here though, thanks ed002 :)

{Ed002's Note - The club is in the midst of reshaping the management team and Mike Gordon will continue to have the pointed hat on - regardless of job title.}

05 Feb 2017 12:39:38
Pointed hat? With a capital D on it? 😁.

05 Feb 2017 08:21:18
Hi Red Fan,
I spent a lot of time here reading your great post (sometimes about an hour) . Today I am registered myself and here is my first comment.
I am still fairly optimistic about our chances of top 4. but my problem is this is the time where we should have picked up pace like both Manchester club we have to start from scratch now. All feel good factors have disappear. Even Klopp looks dispassionate on the touch line. Unless something miraculously happen this could be a very painful season for us. From title contender t0 mid table.

05 Feb 2017 02:46:28
For the negatives out there! We call ourselves supporters as in support our team through the good and bad! I understand the grievances on offer but I for one will always support anyone that pulls on the top through thick and thin! It's times like these that players need us behind them the most!

05 Feb 2017 08:29:01
I know i will be vilified for this but its my opinion. Waro also accused the fans of moaning and that they should man up. Someone then quite rightly pointed out that fans pay hard earned cash to watch a top prem team. These players get paid more money a year than some fans see in a lifetime. They need our support, yes they do, but they also need to pull their fingers out and man up too, take responsibility and do their damned job, much like the so called lesser players have been doing against them and sending them packing with their tails between their legs.

I throw this the way of klopp too who has been dissapointing to say the least. It hurts so much precisely because we know how they can play and also because we were the closest we have been in a long time to really challenging. But the players have bottled it, leaving it to the next man to make something happen hence the mindless sideways and backwards passing. It is not good enough and the fans can quite rightly question what is going on.

05 Feb 2017 11:59:33
You could call the world what ever you want but Klopp has been found out and even he knows it. Changing personals every week wouldn't please 70 million supporters outside. The team cannot break rigid defense everyone in the planet knows it while there is no improvement in the defense.

06 Feb 2017 04:53:54
What do u mean found out? The only team above us with a slightly smaller budget is Tottenham! Everyone else is way above finance wise! We don't have an empty cheque book and it will take time for klopp to build and gel his squad! Who would you get in to replace klopp? I personally couldn't think of anyone even thinking from a plastics frame of mind! Liverpool have no right to be guaranteed a top 4 realistically if u put down to finance so there for in my opinion most fans have unrealistic expectations as money is everything in football these days right? Fickle fans especially the ones calling for klopps head for selling benteke as seeminly he now seems to be the plan b we desperately need! 30 million is no plan b in my humble opinion! Teams better than us have sticky patches! And as a fan of the club when we get beat by hull it hurts! But the reaction of some of the people on this website embarrasses me more! Weather it's stupidity or just lack of common sense I do not know but liverpool definitely have less muscle financly than at least 4 clubs so we are pretty much where we belong financly! Apologise for the spelling but severely dyslexic and no spell check. Feel free to rip away. YNWL ( except you will unless u don't live up to unrealistic expectations of a delusional fan Base! Embarrassing!