Liverpool Banter Archive January 05 2015

 

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05 Jan 2015 22:28:40
Happy with the win but I expect people will jump on the bandwagon that Gerrard proved tonight he shouldn't leave etc.
I don't think anyone genuinely has ever doubted Gerrard's ability with a dead ball or his passing but we were playing Wimbledon AFC! So I expected him to look and play slightly better as they are of a lower standard. no offence.
You don't get teams like that in the prem. hence why Gerrard has struggled in games. much higher tempo, pressing, ability. other then his goals.nothing much to write home about IMO.
Annoyed Rodgers chose to use Gerrard up top only now though.offers more there than at cdm. pretty sure everyone's been saying he should play further forward!
Think the move at the end of the season is the correct one though.slower pace in the mls. don't think anyone should get carried away with tonights goals. just be happy with the win and hope we win against Sunderland. another tough game!

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What gerrard could offer us now is debateable. But what he offered us during his whole tenure of this club have been simply astonishingly. He deserve to finish with the club he has started.

He obviously feels he could play but what irks me is when Alan Shearer pointed out a valid point, players in their 30's know that their playing time would be managed but they want to feel that they are contributing in big games. Rodgers leaving gerrard out of the real madrid game must have hurt him.

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Gerrard played a Real Madrid game and they gave us a rite hiding. He was then dropped for the next one. Gerrard has got plenty of big games this season.

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06 Jan 2015 03:59:15
Gerrard is a decent CAM, but then you ll have drop some notable names to play him there.

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I thought Gerrard was fantastic last night, not only scoring two great goals but his involvement in every attack we had was great. I don't think he missed the ball under pressure once or gave a bad pass all evening. I know they are not a premier league side but I think in this forward position he can still be tremendous even in the PL. I was less impressed with Coutinho and Markovich though. Yes they can run with the ball into empty spaces but their poor final decision, passing, finishing and inability to fight on the ball with a defender without falling down and lose it is worrying (and I am awere the free kick we scored came from a foul on Courinho). Defensively I was really impressed with Sakho. I thought we was very solid, can't remember him losing a ball and losing a one on one challange with their strikers. Yes he will struggle more with PL attackers but for me, he should be the first on the team sheet defensively.
Finally, and I didn't change my view on this one bit from the first day of the season: despite all his weaknesees Baloteli is world apart from Lambert and when both fit I cannot see any reason in the world why Lambert is preferred. On his first 5 minutes on the pitch the Italian looked more dangerous than Lambert looked the whole night. Especially with Gerrad in a froward position I think Mario can do much mroe with his accurate passing than Ricky.

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I can't say I saw what shearer said, but if that's what he's implying then I think he's very unfair

From reading what you put he's essentially saying, let the young lads play the team you want to beat in the league, run their ass off, close down, give everything to the club, but when you play the bigger teams in europe, drop them after their hard work and let and old timer play so he can get a run out? Am I reading that context correctly?If so what a load of Horse manure.

Also Stevie got the goalsyes, but he was so lazy in that final 3rd walking around swinging his arms from side to side, I've still no doubt with some 1 else pressing we'd have gotten more.

I don't think Stevie deserves to finish his career with the club, if he won't take a paycut to reflect his stature in the squad, or a reduction in game time. I think quite the opposite, that he'd be holding the team back severely with finances and games if we pandered to him

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05 Jan 2015 22:31:06
I hate to pick on one player but i feel the performance of Ricky Lambert tonight showed that despite being a good guy and having such passion for the club, he is not Liverpool Football Club quality.

Picking him over Mario Balotelli in a game which could have been perfect for Mario to build up his confidence by getting on the scoresheet is a clear example of the stubbornness of Brendan Rodgers and is appalling man management. This comes a game after bringing the entirely ineffectual duo of Lambert & Borini off the bench over Balotelli against Leicester when we desperately needed a goal.

I feel this is a case of Brendan putting himself first in trying to prove a point against Mario after his poor performances earlier in the season and not doing what is best for the team. I genuinely hope Mario has done enough in his 15 minute cameo to at least move himself above Lambert in the pecking order who i do not feel offers anywhere near the quality required to lead the line even as a backup option for us.

I'd like to see Markovic and possibly Balo start against Sunderland, both showed promise and with Lallana injured there is a place to be filled in the team.

Sorry to rant guys, hopefully some of you share this view.

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05 Jan 2015 22:57:03
I agree, Lambert is too slow and sluggish. I've not much time for Balotelli or Borini, either
We can't defend and we don't score enough; nice one, Brendan.

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Balotelli hasn't proven himself to be any better than Lambert. Both have 2 goals, no assists with Lambert having played 81 minutes less. At least Lambert only cost £4M, I would think is probably on substantially less wages, and doesn't annoy me with a lack of effort.

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06 Jan 2015 04:08:18
Lambert is also old and has no resale value. Balotelli is just 24 and we looked miles better when he came on tonight.

I'm not saying he's a world beater but i'm much more comfortable when he's in than rickie.

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We looked miles better more because they pulled off two defensive players and replaced with more attacking players in order to try and get an equalizer. It had little to do with Balotelli himself.

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For the 15 minutes he was on he was lively.
Lambert was poor yesterday but that does not mean he will be when we use him next.
The way we play does not suit Lambert and that is the bottom line for me.

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Balo has been a world beater- we've seen it in the league and in the euros and he's still only 24. He could be an important player for us if we get him working to his ability. Confidence is a big thing for him and it's obvious he doesn't have much but he's been getting in good positions and trying to work much harder. The 2 goals he has scored were quality, I just hope we can get the best out if him in the second half of the season.

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Balotelli a world beater? Must be why City sold him and why Milan sold him. The guy took a ridiculous number of shots last year in Serie A, hardly scored any, and appears to be on the same track year. You can have all the ability in the world but with no practical application of it was is the point? I can see why he's got to be one of the most frustrating players to manage as the skill set is there, he just refuses to listen, adapt, or improve as a player.

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RDL that's the reason why man city, lfc and AC Milan bought him because on his day he is world class. the issue is getting those performances out of him and a consistent basis. internationally on many occasions he's been italy's best player - equally he's also been their worst!

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05 Jan 2015 22:17:58
I fear to think what will happen to us if we lose Lucas tbh.

He held our disjointed mess of a team together tonight - as with so many games.

Criminally underrated.

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To be fair, I didn't really notice him. Which usually means that he played really well!

That's just the role he plays. You only notice him when he makes mistakes! I'll look out for him when I re-watch it.

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05 Jan 2015 22:13:21
Just been told that Rodgers has bought Gerrards house. Just thought I'd share.

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{Ed002's Note - Rodgers is lodging with #WonderDogSparky but is staying out all night tonight.}

05 Jan 2015 22:56:18
Why would Stevie sell his house? Ridiculous nonsense

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06 Jan 2015 07:15:59
Actually he's renting it off him. And Stevies building a new one on some land he's aquired. He lives by me that's how I know.

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05 Jan 2015 22:07:44
Lambert did nothing tonight, and looked slow, i hope we replace the forwards we have at the moment, i don't rate them and we don't have any money to buy more i believe. were doomed! doomed!

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Lambert and Mario= 20 million pounds. The perfect amount of money to have gone and got a CF that would suit our style and be a class act. Every time i think of it, it makes me sick.

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05 Jan 2015 22:10:22
Based on the reaction on the BBC, you'd think Gerrard has just had the best match by any player in the last decade!
Am I the only one who thinks that apart from his goals he was pretty poor? Some of his passing was woeful.

Not trying to play down the fact he bailed us out, just trying to preach sense amidst the media's fawning over him.

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05 Jan 2015 22:21:06
They were a tiny bit over zealous but you're being a tad harsh. The fact is that without his two goals we'd have been out. In all honesty, my greater concern is our defense. at times it's non-existent.

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He wasn't great, but who was? Playing on those sort of pitches against physical opposition is difficult. Gerrard got the goals to send us through and in my opinion the only 2 players who were better overall than Gerrard were Coutinho and Sakho.

The problem was the lack of pace and movement up front. Coutinho always drops deep for the ball and Gerrard and Lambert are too slow to play together in the front 3; similarly to how Gerrard and Lucas don't do well together in midfield. You need mobility and we lacked that up front. The difference was, Gerrard still posed a threat unlike Lambert who was really poor tonight.

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05 Jan 2015 23:32:12
I only caught the last 30 and I thought he looked good. That may have been coloured by the amount of space AFC Wimbledon afforded us on the counter towards the end of the game. Better finishing from other players and he'd have had a couple of assists to go with his goals.

Whatever his overall performance though, I don't think it should really surprise anyone that he plays better as an attacking midfielder than a defensive one. We've only been suggesting as much all season, after all.

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My biggest concern is Mignolet.

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I really dislike the early rounds of cups that are played against "poorer" opposition. Always poor quality, rough, lump it forward sky high type of games. that's why better teams struggle cause they are brought down to there level.

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The lack of pace in the front line meant Wimbledon built unchallenged at the back, knocking up balls to their monster CF with ease.

Gerrard's genius produced 2 goals against a L2 team. But the inability of anyone at the front to defend would have us in hot water with any PL team.

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What do you want them to do aussieMARK? Attempt to play Barcelona-style football (and suffer the inevitable defeat that would bring)? The onus isn't on the "little" clubs to play with quality or set-up how big teams want them to, the onus is on the big team to use all of there supposed quality to find a way to win under those different circumstances - surely this is why the FA Cup is held in high regard and also what makes it so entertaining? Ourselves playing badly (again) does not reflect poorly on Wimbledon, it reflects poorly on us (and our players, manager, etc).

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Nail on the head EMS.

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05 Jan 2015 21:57:58
Poor showing. I saw Swansea reserves demolish Tranmere 2-6 on Sat. We were playing a team only 9 places above Tranmere with our 1st team?

We cannot head the ball at the back and our wing backs were just terrible tonight. Lambert awful and has no movement off the ball.

We performed poorest of all the teams playing underdogs this round. does not bode well for Sunderland away.

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What? Including the Qpr game? Laughable!

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05 Jan 2015 21:33:26
Ian Wright has banged on some weight.

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Ha ha ha. And can bench 180kilo too😀

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He's been at them pies.

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05 Jan 2015 21:15:38
With inter interested in Mario and trying to get rid of ucardi would it not make sense to for both teams to swap players but on loan deals untill the end of the season ?

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05 Jan 2015 20:54:49
Has my post been removed ed001? Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, I was watching the game, unfortunately.}

05 Jan 2015 21:09:53
Hi Eds

Whats your views on the new stadium development?i think its good and will be good but doesn't go quite far enough as the KOP has been left/ignored with such gaping area's it needs improving/developing. It will be dwarfed by the new stand/s.

cheers, coxxy.

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{Ed002's Note - The post was removed for the usual reasons Waro.

Coxxy - search for PHASE 1 - that should help.}

05 Jan 2015 21:31:17
That's a shame, I've disagreed with Waro many times but I still enjoy reading his posts.
Here's hoping the select few don't keep ruining it for you lad,

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It's impossible not to love watching Gerrard in a forward role. Some of the things that should be difficult are made to look easy by him. I think playing him and Lambert as the two most advanced players was a mistake though. We lacked pace and the ability to press effectively. I personally think Borini would've been a much better option for the position. He'd have looked to get in behind a bit more often than Lambert did and given Gerrard/Coutinho more movement head of them.

Great game though, it's always good to avoid an upset! People underestimate how hard it is to go away from home an play on a pitch like that against a very physical side (especially when the referee let's a player who made 10 aggressive fouls finish the game still on the pitch!).

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Cheers Dave. Ed's would it be possible to show who the abusive poster is and just write deleted next to there name? Just for the record i didn't see any natural leader there tonight for Stevie to hand the baton to!

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to do that - and it was more than one.}

Don't agree with almost everything you say Waro but if the post was removed because people were being abusive rather than argumentative then that is a shame.

Sorry Eds, another suggestion I suppose- is there a way of getting some form of ranking system going for regular, respectful posters so that there's not tyranny of the minority? Maybe not having their posts moderated (at your discretion who you give this gold star too)

Can't really think of an easy way to do it so just throwing it out there!

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{Ed002's Note - No, we are not going to do that either.}

06 Jan 2015 05:47:11
thanks Ed002 - I had a look at phase 1. guess its down to money then, just seems they are missing a trick though, the KOP is supposed to be the focal point but will lose a lot of its lustre if dwarfed by other stands.

I'd prefer development of that to annie road as a 23 year kop season ticket holder. the corners up top of the KOP are an awful waste of seats and its so cramped. hopefully in the future it may be a phase 3 then? aslong as it isn't something structural preventing it.

thanks again. coxxy

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{Ed001's Note - it is not about money, it is about the infrastructure surrounding the ground, I have said this a thousand times on here now. The club are limited in what they can do in this initial phase. They are now working with the council to produce improvements to the infrastructure which will allow the ground's capacity to be serviced by the transport network to go beyond 60k. At which point the Kop will be rebuilt completely.}

06 Jan 2015 09:28:51
Cracking, cheers Ed001 and thanks for clearing it up. Happy New Year.

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{Ed001's Note - unfortunately it all takes time, though we could have had the big stadium way back when if David Moores hadn't been too busy taking money out of the club to actually invest in it......}

05 Jan 2015 20:25:19
Gotta say ed001, looks like sakho has got his heading sorted, he's winning everything tonight

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05 Jan 2015 20:45:57
Cracking 40yr pass to Manquillo on the right too

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05 Jan 2015 20:56:58
Brilliant defending at corners from the whole team

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05 Jan 2015 21:32:10
I've been really impressed with him myself,

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05 Jan 2015 21:48:15
Sakho is a quality defender; it's the guy next to him that's the problem.

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Think that's 3 games in a row for sakho. Amazing what players are capable of when they are given a run in the team. BR must have had an Eureka moment.

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05 Jan 2015 20:23:46
I really don't think we need to replace Steven by bringing in someone, Lucas could just perform the role Rodgers wanted Stevie to and we can keep Henderson. This will give our youngsters a chance to stake a claim (Rossiter et al) in the first team squad.

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05 Jan 2015 20:02:35
Hi all,
Hope you all had a good Christmas and happy new year.
Sure us as fans can possibly change stevie mind, there could be a lot of ways for example new song? Maybe an banner, flags etc, we can't lose the heartbeat of are team he's done so much for us in he entire career we should show him that we don't want him to go and hopefully he might turn his head? I hope he does and i hope you all agree with me we need to persuade him that we want him there an persuade the club to make more of an effort to keep him.
Thanks all for reading please share you comments :)

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05 Jan 2015 20:47:27
He'll be 35 at the end of the season, he won't/can't play every game next season, should we carry on paying him £100k+ per week for sitting on the bench? He can earn £200k per week in the states, my guess is he made thi decision months ago. No room for sentiment in football.

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£200k a week in the states? Where do people get these figures from? £10 million a year? Great work if you can get it!

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He's not going to make anything near that in the MLS. The highest paid player in the entire MLS is Kaka on ~£85k per week and Henry was on about £50k a week. The LA Galaxy total wage bill is $12.2M, or ~£8M annually, on revenues of ~$44M (~£28M, or around 12% the turnover of Liverpool).

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06 Jan 2015 02:13:57
No player will make 200k in the states in dollars never mind pounds or euros. Sorry mate. He's not moving to the states for more money.

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{Ed001's Note - that depends on whether you go by what the 'guaranteed salary' is, the current highest being Kaka at $7.2m a year, or the real figures, which are much higher. Even if you go by the guaranteed salary, Kaka is on about £100k a week, with much more in bonuses and advertising than he could have got anywhere else. Gerrard will be sure to get more than him. To suggest it is nothing to do with money is sheer ignorance.}

I really can't see Galaxy (if that is indeed the club he goes to) paying him more than double what they were paying Donovan. Galaxy supporters would not be pleased by that I don't think and salary information is all public domain for the MLS.

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{Ed001's Note - Galaxy supporters wouldn't care, why would they? They just want to watch the best players and see their team win. Not all salary information is public anyway, Kaka is going to be earning more than double the declared salary.}

Well, I'm a Galaxy supporter, so at least one cares ;-)

Honestly, we can't afford that. Our revenue is decent by MLS standards, but nowhere near enough to afford to pay anyone the likes of £200k a week. That's literally about a third of our turnover and more than the entire wage bill last season.

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06 Jan 2015 07:09:48
Just wish people would face facts - if SG was 'only' going to be on £50k - £85k per week in the states then he may as well have accepted what LFC offered him. Truth is that he won't accept reduced game time, saddens me to admit it but MUFC never had an issue keeping Scholes and Giggs even when they knew they wouldn't play every game.

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05 Jan 2015 19:58:50
brendan sporting a nice tan there, sunbeds or spray?

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I'd say spray, but he wouldn't let the bottle take credit for it, probably just say had his cells change colour himself.

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05 Jan 2015 20:50:21
It will be wind-burn from sunny Fleetwood

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Ha shout that, excellent lad.

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05 Jan 2015 19:33:06
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Is Jordan Henderson a victim of his own simplicity?

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05 Jan 2015 19:17:52
Wish we'd bring in a few Youth players And blend them with the first team squad! With 3 centre backs, a young player can slot in there nicely, like United have done with blackett and McNair! Gerrard and Lambert, I would happily see swapped for borini and ojo or even balotelli! I know he's just announced he's leaving but it's a cup match, perfect time to test some of the younger ones! Finally, as much as o want lucas to play every game so he doesn't leave, it would be a perfect game to put rossiter in with hendo!

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We should know by now that the team selection is going to be a bit of a farce every game. No one knows what's going on in his head, only that he's being a balloon.

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Was thinking exactly the same!!
but what he does is again pick the same players who underperform.

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05 Jan 2015 19:08:50
Why not start with ballotelli, a game like this could get his confidence . I still think he will come good .

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05 Jan 2015 19:13:45
Balotelli's not starting because he has no future at the club, so there's no point in investing game time in him. And he's not good enough to picked on the basis of performance.

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05 Jan 2015 19:14:59
I think he wouldn't stand a chance.

I also think he's lazy, disinterested and wants to leave the club.

One cup kick and he will be on his cheeks waving his arms about.

Joke.

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05 Jan 2015 19:27:01
Not many will agree but would have liked to see balotelli start - not everyone's cup of tea but don't think he has been given a good chance to prove himself when have possible (Middlesbrough game for another example) no hasn't done amazing but majority of appearances from the bench lasting normally 10 minutes. Regardless of not being BPL goals think he is about equal on goals with falcao who starts more regularly and is actually supported by United fans despite being on more then 3x balotellis salary, know he has more of a reputation but not set the league alight really

May be something behind the scenes but seem to buy a lot of players and then not really give them a chance (borini, aspas, balotelli, alberto, assaidi, moreno, etc) and have youth players who don't get a chance (kelly, suso, wisdom, etc). Would like to have seen either rossiter or ojo make the team as well - don't see why we have both enrique and moreno on the bench.

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Something Red,
Gerrard has no future at the club at his own request yet he is playing?

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05 Jan 2015 18:52:21
Happy new year to all.
Bit of a discussion really what did the eds and others make of Gerrard interview? In particular his comments about Rodgers?

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{Ed002's Note - He should perhaps have mentioned those managers and players with which he did achieve success (e.g. 2005). I would put it down to dumbness rather than disrespect.}

I didn't see the full interview, did he not mention GH or SH, Raffa? I would be very disappointed if he only mentioned BR in a positive light.

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It appeared pretty honest. No mention of other managers just that he wished he had been 24 when Rodgers became manager.

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06 Jan 2015 05:46:41
Ed002, He did not do an oscar speech and not written the credits at the end of a film. He likes BR and think he is great manager, he is entitled for his own opinions, he may or may not think previous managers were as great and may or may not give them credit in a different interview.

he doesn't owe them anything. None of them took him from non league team and into the PL or something like that. To accuse him for dumbness for that is harsh in my view.

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{Ed002's Note - I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he was simply stupid - if you prefer to consider him disrespectful to his former manager and team mates then that is fine by me. Why are you so stupid?}

05 Jan 2015 18:25:26
So now the transfer window is open, surely anyone in their right mind would'nt dare give brenda more money to waste. When can we look forward to his departure . Can't see us win tonight with brenda still at the helm. Should of been sacked months ago.

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05 Jan 2015 18:22:09
Eds fellow reds . What is going on with our club, toure now saying he may leave in the summer .im starting to get concerned for my beloved club .all experienced players wanting out .

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{Ed002's Note - Toure's contract is up in the summer.}

'Wanting out' or getting too old to play regular 90 minute football?

Bit of a difference, don't you think?

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Isn't lambert the same age .i know who I would sooner have in the dressing room .lambert still walks round like a kid in a sweet shop.

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05 Jan 2015 18:13:38
Lallana out for a month, thigh strain

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05 Jan 2015 18:12:03
I saw Ken Aguero sharing a bottle of white lightning and some chips with Messi in Rhyl yesterday.

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Lol rhyl. what a dump, I would love to see messi there on a holiday, i think you'd actually see my jaw hit the floor

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I can't believe some 1 has disagreed Rhyl is a dump .

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{Ed001's Note - maybe someone who has never been there? Or possibly someone from Tranmere, in which case it looks posh in comparison.....}

, They replaced the marks and spencer with a pound shop a few years back.I've never seen a council get a 3 million grant from the eu and make their town worse.

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05 Jan 2015 17:55:14
I have to say a big Thank you to Stevie G for all he has done in a red shirt over the years, It really felt like he was living the dream of many of us, and some of the memories he provided us with will never be forgotten,
I can't help but feel he was let down by the club in not attaining the Premier league winners medal he so craved, When you look at the likes of Scholes, Lampard, Pirlo who were/are still impacting games at the same age as SG, look at their supporting cast.,
They were all supported by either World class players or managers throughout their careers, Gerrard was a box to box midfielder and had to do it ALL for us,
Yes over the years he has been supported by the odd world class talent, but these players have been few and far between. He turned games around by Himself, by his own will and desire to succeed, not many players can do this, or need too.
He was loyal to the club and that cost him the premier league, but I wish more young pro's were like him.
I think the burden of the constant pressure the club put him under cost him his form over the last few years, But I hope he enjoys his time in the USA, Thanks for the memories

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05 Jan 2015 16:56:11
Ed001, if you could have one player for us right now, bar a goalie (or not if you really would pick one and not just because of our current need) who would it be and why?

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{Ed001's Note - we most need a keeper, so it would have to be one, plus I am firmly of the belief that it is the most important position on the pitch. If it could be anyone it would be Neuer. Failing him, and more realistically, probably Trapp, from what I have seen of him.}

But ed what about de gea the best keeper in the world??

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De Gea is not a good keeper. He is to weak for the premiership. Very dodgy on crosses so will head back to Spain in a madid next season which suits his game better.

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Thanks Ed, Neuer would be the dream, much appreciated for the reply.

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05 Jan 2015 16:44:24
Looks like Lallana could be out for a month. just when things were looking up

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Things were looking up?

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Unbeating in 10 games now ! ! ! ! !

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No dezyboy we were unbeaten in 5 games (now 6 including the Wimbledon game). Never the less it is the performances which have remained at horribly low levels.

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05 Jan 2015 15:36:38
Eds do you think Liverpool might move for zubizerretta as dof now he is no longer at barca?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

05 Jan 2015 20:47:16
I would prefer him in goal to be honest.

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06 Jan 2015 05:44:59
So is Monchi going to Barca then, Ed002? Know that was a rumor, anyway.

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{Ed002's Note - He will be an option.}

05 Jan 2015 15:08:29
I'm seeing a little similarity between Sterling and Suarez. IMO the contract if signed will just ensure we get a decent fee from Madrid and I can see Sterling going this summer, just my feeling. Not suggesting similarity between them Regards trouble or antics, just eventual situation.

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Yes, it's very possible Emre. This would explain why Markovic was bought when Lallana, Coutinho and Ibe were already on the books. Maybe Sterling was already supposed to be gone last summer, so Rodgers held on to Suso and Luis Alberto, too. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist, maybe just clutching at straws trying to explain how a manager who did so brilliantly a year ago, is fumbling hopelessly now).

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05 Jan 2015 13:51:15
Hi Guys,

Any chance of Ings?

cheers,

marshy

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

05 Jan 2015 13:34:42
Hi Eds, if its true that Suso will leave on a free then what a terrible bit of business all round this has been. He's a top talent to me and physically similar to Coutinho, in fact he's a bit bigger, so should be able to handle the PL. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be our Pogba. Thanks.

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I like him.
I don't know how good he is simply because he has only played a handful of games for us.
We seem to discard players before giving them 6 or 7 games to see if they are any good.
I watched Martin Kelly play for Palace yesterday.
He is better than Skrtel.
He is the same standard as Manquillo (id say he is slightly better at the moment) yet he was sold in the summer for peanuts.
Why.
If we can't analyse the standards of the players we already have properly, then what chance have we got for any type of long term success?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have completely fouled up Suso's career for more than a year. He has a draft agreement to move to Italy in the summer when his contract runs out. That agreement needs to be formalised.}

He looked good in preseason, had a good loan last season, wanted to play for the shirt. As with other young talent. Brendened

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{Ed002's Note - Actually he was desperate to leave in the summer but Liverpool blocked his move by asking far too much.}

05 Jan 2015 15:40:16
Top man Brendan, refuse to sell a player who wants to leave, so we'll let him rot in the ressies and lose him for free next year,
While paying him too no less.

How exactly did the club let this happen? Seriously? Ayre, Rodgers etc need to take responsibility for this.

I can understand him not being in Rodgers plans, but this is mismanagement of the highest level,

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{Ed002's Note - I would not specifically lay the blame at the door of BR.}

05 Jan 2015 16:52:19
I see it as an all round failure Ed m8!

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05 Jan 2015 12:46:49
Hi all, man united fan here from south africa.
I would just like to touch on a topic quick regarding the importance of getting things right in this period for liverpool f.c.liverpool is the second most supported club in S.A largely due the rich history but in the last decade clubs like chelsea and city have made significant progress because of there recent success and getting a lot of the younger generation supporting them.ofcos a lot of the kids that come from 2 generations of supporting liverpool will naturally grow up following the club.this is indeed a important time as football is a global game and financial success leads to succesd on the pitch.goodluck with the game tonight.

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We had Rick Parry when we won the CL. I believe he ruined our perfect commcial opportunity. It's been decline ever since.
I recall something like only 5000 replica CL winning kits or ltd edition kits? They also came out late. We could have sold 10 times that plus other merch worldwide, missed a sack of potential advertising/marketing situations.

Looks like FSG have the right idea, so fingers crossed but we need to win things

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05 Jan 2015 11:35:50
I don't know if any 1 heard of or saw ''Bogan aussie commentary'' During the world cup. (mainly timmy cahill got the most views) but he's done a tribute to stevie g if you search for it on youtube if you search bogan aussie steven gerrard.

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Are you feeding your horses performance enhancing drugs Bob?

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I bought all of godolphins& sheiks.

I play the game to try and help the ed with any problems, it's quite fun when I need a 5 minute break from excel sheets.

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05 Jan 2015 11:35:22
Ed001 - "The team is far better than the results he has got out of it, no one is to blame for that but him." hear hear. Probably the true-est statement about Rodgers on here.

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{Ed001's Note - thanks.}

Absolutely

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Agree 100%, took far too long to drop Enrique, Johnson, Lovren and Allen for the likes of Llalana, Moreno, Sakho and Can (although still think Lovren can make it, we just didn't need another left footed CB!).

Also why we persisted with Balo alone upfront will never know, should have had Sterling or Borini alongside at least, and Gerard in an CAM position rather than CDM.

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05 Jan 2015 09:45:23
Eds when can we expect to return Sturridge into action ?
Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - As I said previously, I would not expect him to be available to start a game before the end of the month. Liverpool will certainly not rush him back.}

05 Jan 2015 08:22:07
The only positive from Gerrard leaving for me is Henderson becoming Captain as he is my fave player, plus love his attitude. Plus like every great red he already has a famous saying, When asked why he didn't leave for Fulham he said - Why would you leave Liverpool. Indeed hendo why would you.

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05 Jan 2015 04:53:31
Hi Eds and fellow reds.

Sad to see Gerrard leaves. Would be weird to no longer have him in our team. But I believe that Henderson will become a good captain next season.

My question to Ed001; what kind of person Henderson is? Never know how a lad he is hence I would love to know more on him. Would love to hear from those who knows or have met him.

Thanks :)

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know him that well, met him a couple of times while he was at Sunderland, but not since he joined us. He was a very nice lad back then, absolutely obsessed with football. He was a real worker, not just on fitness, but on his touch and technique too. Very quiet back then, though a couple of his team mates reckoned he was far from quiet usually, they said he was just shy initially.}

He is a sound lad, met and spoke to him several times in formby mainly cafe Nero, he seems to love the club and he is a genuine nice guy off the pitch

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05 Jan 2015 14:27:33
My father has met him a few times. He says he is polite and very reserved and not at all a big 'I am'.

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Ed001 what sort of guy is Lallana? My cousin who was at Fulham's academy met him when he played soton and told be he is a lovely fellow who spoke to all the boys for good half an hour.

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{Ed002's Note - I am told by an ex-player that Lallana is a very pleasant young man - pretty much liked by all. He did apparently upset his Southampton neighbours with some construction work in his garden.}

05 Jan 2015 02:28:18
hello eds.

that was a good remark on lvg, eds but i was wondering that even though sir Alex was arrogant still he became a great manager. according to u what made him such a great manager?

thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - Ferguson wasn't that arrogant in the flesh, not like he comes across. The main thing is that he has the respect of his players, even those that didn't like him, because he was good at man management. Jose Mourinho is the same. It is not arrogance that makes them good, it is their ability to manage the men in their team. Martin O'Neill could do it, but only with certain types of players, never the top class ones, but Jose and Fergie can work with the top players and get more out of them. Most importantly of all though, they know when a player won't respond to them and get rid. Being ruthless is vital. Paisley was utterly ruthless.}

Personally, I think Ferguson used to scare the absolute cr*p out of his players. Even the so called senior players knew that if they showed a poor attitude in even just a single game, they might be out the door. No room for manoeuvre, they would just get sold. There seems to be absolutely no fear like that in the Liverpool team - does Johnson etc ever look like they are afraid for their careers? Most of the team need a bloody great firecracker stuck up their backsides if you ask me.

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05 Jan 2015 02:27:02
Who are our top transfer targets in this transfer window?
Thanks Macca!

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05 Jan 2015 02:06:50
The starting line up for tomorrow is on the teams page if your interested.

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05 Jan 2015 01:28:56
Tolgay Arslan if Lucas leaves? Thanks.

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04 Jan 2015 23:25:10
Ed's was just reading an article on a young midfielder called Adam Phillips, the writer believes he is one of the best youth to come out of the academy in a while and could be the successor to Gerrard in a few years, was just wondering if he is any good and if he does have the potential the writer believes, thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - he is a huge talent, but still a long way off being ready. He does have real potential, but it is hard to see him as the successor to Gerrard when he is so far off yet. I would be shocked if the lad doesn't make it at the top level though.}

05 Jan 2015 08:01:31
Really? Or would you just think 'there's another player that LFC didn't bother to develop'

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{Ed001's Note - good point.}

04 Jan 2015 19:25:19
Hi Ed 01 just wondering what you made of the comments attributed to rogers in this weekends papers of telling the owners to invest in ready made first team players. What will the owners have made of this statement and can the media not see how ridiculous his statements are becoming. For gods sake are lambert lovren lallana and ballotelli all ready made first team players with experience of the league. Of the younger players both moreno and markovic were fist team regulars at their clubs and full internationals. Every single interview I read the same message is coming out that our form is down to the new players not settling not adapting not use to our style of play. Just for once I would like to have come out and say that the form of senior and established players hasn't been up to scratch just to take the heat off the newcomers

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{Ed001's Note - he is just looking for excuses and to cast the blame elsewhere. He has been told repeatedly about his comments to the media but he is only interested in casting the blame elsewhere. I am sure that he will be blaming the transfer committee for every player that doesn't work out while claiming it was all down to him that anyone who does work out long term got signed.}

If he has been told repeatedly, how is it that he is still doing it though ed?

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{Ed001's Note - because he doesn't listen. He doesn't learn from his mistakes.}

Do u think there could be something in his comments tho ed1?
As an Example, he could have told the owners we don't need all these signings we just need 2 top class, ready made players?

I remember he did say that before we signed all these players in the summer, that he would rather have two world class players than 8 mediocre ones.

Maybe it's frustration.

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I agree.
There's been suggestions on here about big changes to the staff in the summer, do you think the owners will ever look to bring in a top manager who has a proper plan for the team, not just let's score more than our opponents.

I already see how the Chelsea games are going to go, and Mourinho knows we've got no game plan apart from attack.

I'd like a Benitez type manager who changes his approach based on his opponents.

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{Ed001's Note - why would you want that? Why can't we just have a manager who wins games through good football?}

Are u suggesting Rodgers is that man?

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{Ed001's Note - not in the slightest.}

05 Jan 2015 14:39:15
BennyC - for that we would have to be playing good football

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05 Jan 2015 00:14:45
Personally I think taking Origi out of Lille is a good decision (if it's financially responsible).

Lille aren't great, they play fairly uninspiring football (scored least goals in the league) in a weak league and he is shunted out on the wing most games and asked to play like Benitez made Riera or Kuyt.

They are having a poor season, the fans have turned on him claiming he has lost interest, puts no effort in and is just riding out this year until he moves to Liverpool (can't comment on this, only watch highlights of Ligue 1).

Financial considerations aside, I think bringing him back and giving him a few games/loaning him out here will be more productive.

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I think its not a good decision at all. I think he needs another year after this one on loan somewhere, where he will play regular minutes. He won't get that here, and his progression will suffer, and undoubtedly, all the fans here will soon turn on him, as per usual.

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Its a bad idea, the lad is young and needs time and space to develop - if he signs for us early then expectations will be high and, if he fails to live up to those unreasonably high goals, he will get torn to pieces (like Markovic, Henderson, Borini, Allen, etc etc) - that cannot be good for either his confidence or development.

I'll admit I haven't watched him play this season but, based on fellow posters and editors, it seems that Origi is not ready to shoulder the inevitable burden that would be placed on him. Moving him early would be another in a long line of ill thought out decisions made by the club.

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I don't watch him either but I have seen him play . Maybe he is just riding out his last season with the hope Lille will let him move earlier than expected . Plus if he works hard even if he doesn't come up with the goals surely it's better having 11 players working hard that 10 if ballotelli was starting . But there is the hope that with better players around him he will get more chances . If he works hard I will support him .
YNWA

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What have we got to lose by him coming in now?
Our experienced strikers have been awful so far.
I would rather bring in a player we already own than spend 20 Million.
We do have Sturridge coming back.
Balotelli can't be any worse than he has been can he?
Maybe he can!

Lambert, Borini all still here.
If Origi comes in this window then at the start of next season he would be fully settled in at Anfield.
I am not expecting too much of him too early but he plays our style.
He offers us someone who can hold the ball up and run in behind.
I would not even be looking for a great goal return from him from now til the end of the season.
His all round attributes are what we need not necessarily his goal scoring.
Balotelli can't hold it up regularly enough.
Lambert can but is lacking in general mobility.
Origi has both attributes. And he does it regularly for his country.
That's all I would want from him.
I think he is a similar player to Welbeck/Heskey in that his contribution to the team is not measured purely by goals.

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Origi will come to us and sit on the bench.

Absolute waste of 10 mil when we were crying out for a world class striker.

No point paying another 3mil to come to us and play in the reserves

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05 Jan 2015 13:12:07
50/50 on origi.

Loan seems best but tbf isn't doing great at Lille atm and is played wide instead of through the middle. May be good to get a new chance in a new setting.

As for high expectations sturridge is back and tbh think most the pressure will be on him (also if he plays with mario think the media will focus entirely on mario). May be good for him to come on for sturridge of for the odd game to rest sturridge plus can play up top with him to develop a relationship for next season.

Added to that if we can sell borini for 8-10m adds money for a keeper (to think he hasn't been given his chance but don't think borini is in the managers plans).

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The only way recalling Origi makes sense is that the club is very confident, or a deal has already been struck for Borini to be sold this transfer window. Otherwise, Rodgers has completely lost the plot. He's well stocked up with midfielders and attackers. If they're not scoring goals it's because he bought the wrong ones. He's better off concentrating on a defense that's constantly letting in goals and can't get the basics right.

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Nice if everyone read my post.

I agree that Origi should get more first team experience: i'm just saying the Lille is a pretty poor place to get it.

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