Liverpool Banter Archive July 05 2013

05 Jul 2013 23:47:27
Ian Ayre has flown to Spain to negotiate the transfer of Ivan Rakitic of Seville. Talks have been ongoing with his club and agent, and now that Mk. has decided to sign for Dortmund, it's full steam ahead for the seond choice.

Good Player, will cost about 10 million euros. One of the best passers in La Liga. equal to Iniesta and better than Xavi. lots of assists or the pass that creates the assist. also scores goals and takes good set pieces.

Only reservation is that he is a little slow and has a habit of getting booked and sent off from 2 bookings.

Orrin

Made up? Any link or confirmation. Like This player.
Not sure how happy he'll be knowing he was 2nd choice
Carlo

I was flying from Barcelona Reus airport tonight to JLA and a Ryanair flight was flying past on its way to Spain and i'm sure I seen Ayre in the window.

Wouldn't really want Rakitic unless Henderson/Allen were leaving, which I very much doubt. Would prefer a more attacking option.

RedKopite

05 Jul 2013 23:44:20
What is it with some 'fans' it's so obvious that not all clubs get all of their transfer targets yet all we have is so called reds fans blaming FSG and calling for Ayre to be sacked - its beyond a joke. Respected journalists are saying that Dortmund have been in pole position for the HM deal - why wouldn't the player want to join them? We as reds fans would obviously make a different choice if we were in his shoes but Dortmund are going places (fantastic progressive football and an excellent business model). That said I'm really pleased with our progress, anyone can see the sustained improvement in the squad under BR. I'm confident that BR and the scouting team will have other exciting options and we know that they will look to bring in an attacking player (Eriksen or similar) and a defender - I'm really excited to see who they identify, the loss of HM also means that we could pick up an alternative option for say £15m and then put a better package together for someone like Papadopolous. Anyway come on reds, I know we're not where we want to be and it is difficult to see the Mancs, Chelski and others spending millions but things are looking up, we've got deals done early and players like Shelvey and Spearing (good guys but not good enough players) will be shipped out.

I know some will disagree with me and of course everyone has the right to their opinion but come on, all you need to do is look back a few years and see how bad things were - Ngog, Konchesky, Poulsen etc. we now have a manager who is scouting the world for exciting talent (Coutinho etc) if we get the next two signings right we could be right in the mix next season. YNWA - I can't believe how much I love LFC.

Jam2275

06 Jul 2013 11:50:39
Bang on jam2275! You echo my thoughts exactly, some of the fair weather fans on here make me despair.
I've said it before but I guess that's the difference between being a 'fan' and a supporter of Liverpool fc!
On another tack nuff respect to Ed002 for their consistent informative replies despite all of the crap that comes their way!
And yet again looks like Macca hit another one outa the park!
Much love to you all!
In Buck we trust!

05 Jul 2013 23:28:24
Hi eds have LFC re ignited their interest in Eriksen after losing the race to sign Mkhitaryan {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

He don't score enough regularly, I think Rodgers wants an AM with goals. you can't be sure he will give that

05 Jul 2013 23:25:13
Good evening Ed's
So rumour has it we have lost out to Dortmund for mickey . SO WHAT, we have won and lost players prior to this, Does this make us any less attractive to other players . I think not, time to move on I say.
We have signed some good players and i'm sure that whoever we have has a back up to mickey will be an ideal candidate.

I would appreciate any info on perhaps the defensive side? Please

RED FOR LIFE {Ed002's Note - There remains interest in Ilori but a difference of opinion over price.}

05 Jul 2013 23:19:21
Keep the faith boys.
Whatever happened to YNWA?
People freaked when Torres left but we got Suarez.
When he leaves we'll replace him wisely too I'm sure.
Liverpool is still a huge huge club who can attract big players, make no mistake about that.
We'll still get some good signings before September.
I'm optimistic about the new season.
If the players reach their potential, we should have a decent season.
Huge transfer fees don't make you successful.
It helps for sure, but maybe we dodged a bullet, who knows.
Be positive.
Support our players.

LFC bought Suarez to play with Torres and entice him to stay. Carroll was bought as the replacement for Torres and we all know how that worked out. If Suarez leaves and FSG/BR mess up his replacement (a la Torres/Carroll) than LFC will be another 3-4 years behind in their effort for top 4.

Im still holding out hope that Suarez stays or if he must go a top replacement (Lamela) is brought in.

05 Jul 2013 23:13:34
We could always buy a a more DM/CM player and play Gerrard up in the attacking role. Couthino and Texeria and Suso can grow into these positions over the next 2 years.

Think he doesn't have the legs anymore man if only it was 3years younger

05 Jul 2013 22:47:50
Ed my question please is this: I agree that FSG need to keep LFC finances healthy but with no champions league in sight, how can LFC realistically compete with Chelsea, Man U, Man City, Arsenal and now Spurs (who seem more ambitious than LFC and can attract players like Paulinho despite not being in CL) unless they buy quality players? {Ed002's Note - That would be a Dear Kenny letter I guess.}

Or by winning trophies.
In which case, re-direct that letter to John Henry and Tom Werner, c/o the club wembley level.
The Juicer

05 Jul 2013 23:11:51
I am really furious, really mad!

I had a song worked out for Mickey
based on Metal Mickey sung by 80's songstress Paula l Abdul

Oh Mickey your so fine, for a goal we pine Hey Mickey Hey Mickey

All that work and effort wasted, wasted!

It was Toni Basil mate.
And Metal Mickey was a kids telly programme about a robot.
Although it did sing I seem to remember.
The Juicer

06 Jul 2013 00:23:27
It's like John Lennon has been reincarnated. SiG

Well that escalated, I mean that got out of hand real quickly!
Ron burgundy

Well we can now pass it on to our German brothers
Oh Mickey Ihr so fein, für ein Ziel, das wir vermissen Hey Hey Mickey Mickey

Ah those were the days such halcyon
careful days, metal mickey was on TV

Duran Duran was the hot chart

Here's the song of metal mickey

Ready steady are you set for metal mickey

He's the cutest robot yet is metal mickey

He'll be your number 1

He'll be your number 1

He weighs a half a ton, he weighs a half a ton

So lookout yeah its metal mickey

In them days there were no markets, no bailouts

No PMI (purchasing manager's index)


No Mrs. Merkel

The EU was not EVil as it is today

Summers were longer

Girls were prettier

Cars were not all clones of each other

Now its all gone

05 Jul 2013 23:07:49
Everyone is all hell bent about HM. let's be honest, it was a lot of money and perhaps not worth the risk. I can think of a few players who cost the club a lot of money, and were not worth the risk. A tall fellow with a pony tail, an Italian guy with a taste for water, an outside mid with a wonderful left ft, etc.

Trust the club, give them time. We learned are lessons from before.

The window is just opened- let's see what happens huh?

Are you seriously comparing mkhitaryan with carroll? can justify it all you want we lost out on a top european talent because of a 5 million difference in valuation

Carroll was also considered a top European talent too at the time. Anyway we'll move on to the next target who wants to come here.

Erm Carroll wasn't he was a risk from day one. A player who had only played about three months of prem football, hardly the next Messi was he?.

05 Jul 2013 22:59:40
Was Eriksen not meant to be going to Dortmund? How cme they took our target?

Bet your tempted to blame Tottenham! Just think though with all that Suarez money your going to get you could afford to buy some decent players this window because let's face it what you got so far is a tadge desperate and let's be honest a load of trollop.

Cockney Magic

Haha enjoy the page buddy.feels good doesn't it supporting a club you can be proud of.some day you will get there you won't be alive but your grandkids might be

Cockney magic. Choking Cockerel more like fella.
Mind The Gap. On your way out!

05 Jul 2013 22:54:57
ffs could all these fsg haters calm down i'm sure we have missed out on better players than mk, other teams have cl to offer we don't that's not john henrys fault, it goes back to the bad management of HAG era, now like many people on here are pointing out its only the 5th day of the transfer window let's give the club a chance to do what it obviously knows it needs to do br has stated where he still wants to strengthen, let's all have some patience and believe we are heading in the right direction away from administration.as that's where them other persons were taking us.Tommy Irish Red

Spot on mate, glad to see there are some people on here with some sense and a clear understanding of the current position. I totally trust BR to get things right, he clearly knows what type of player he wants and we're being linked to quality, technical players after years of average players being brought in by a succession of previous managers.

Jam2275

Good point about the transfer window only being 5 days old. FSG would deserve criticism if it was 11:30 on august 31st but its not.
Does that not mean we have learnt from previous transfer windows (dempsey).

05 Jul 2013 22:45:59
Really hope these risks br is taking of buying young largely unproven players pays off or we'll end up further away from the champions league and with a bunch of players that aren't good enough fingers crossed i'm worrying about nothing.

05 Jul 2013 22:35:15
Sky reporting Dortmund agree fee for Mickey :(

05 Jul 2013 22:27:30
Hey eds do we have any chance of signing Michu.
Do you think he will be good alternative to Mkhitaryan. {Ed030's Note - Doubt it mate. }

05 Jul 2013 22:14:15
Eds I have read through the posts on Eriksen and you've stated Eriksen would be unlikely, what are the reasons behind this? Is it just as simple as him wanted Champions League football etc going to be interesting to see who we turn our attention to, having missed out on Sigurrdson and Dempsey we got Coutinho (in the end) hopefully we can get some of that luck again. Cheers for any response Eds keep up the constant work.

05 Jul 2013 22:17:41
I just love how we've missed out on MK, according to the same type of sources of the same standard of reliability as those that told us a week ago that it would all be tied up with us in the next three days, that we were his favored team to join and that it was essentially all done and dusted. And both are STILL believed by everyone like they'd been attending meetings with the player themselves. PAPERS ONLY KNOW THINGS RETROSPECTIVELY. They report what happened, not what will happen. Learn the difference, save your heart the giddy excitement and soul crushing sadness. All the news today? From one reporter writing for a newspaper that is to Germany what Marca is to Real Madrid

The issue is that Germany allows 3 party ownership. BVB bought Mhkitatyans share from His club. The Armenians still own 50%. BVB didn't have to novitiate with the 3rd party. CL football with a top club made it an easy choice. Time to turn the page and it's still early. Hope we now try to fill the void of a CB cover. There's plenty of good players still available so fear not Redmen.

As soon as the transfer started to stall the writing was on the wall.
Fair play to him. He wants champions league football. I want a player who backs himself to deliver champions league football for us.

05 Jul 2013 17:52:58
Evening Ed, Ian Ayre is going to come in for criticism again because we didn't get a target (despite the fact that none of those who will slag him off have the first clue about the details). Can I just ask, have you met the man? If so what was your opinion of him {Ed002's Note - Personally I have never met Ian Ayre as far as I recall.}

Thanks Ed, just wondered

05 Jul 2013 22:01:03
Alright everyone. Just been watching Oldham on the net vs Dinamo Bucharest and there was a mention that BR was there or certainly his representatives watching a player by the name of 'Marius Alexe'. It was held in Bolton so it makes sense.

Any news on this or the player.

Cheers {Ed030's Note - Never heard of him sorry mate. }

05 Jul 2013 21:39:46
Hi Eds, well done again for all your efforts

Ed002 replied to a post that FSG want transfers to add up themselves and club are suffering losses each season.
I think that's why Carroll was sold and sadly FSG have put us in the perilous position of becoming a 7th/8th position team.

Now before you knock me for not knowing what I'm talking about (which you may well be right!) I need to point out that in EPL any team wanting to prosper must speculate; investing on proven talent! Coutinho or the like doesn't happen every day! What is the point of having a No 1 target if you're not going to get the target!

FSG must come out and say they will only finance transfer deals of under £15M and 'hope' we have a good run of results and hopefully we will get top4. I'm sorry to sound so down and realise next week we might get targets for over £20M+ and MKH has been a red herring all along. but I think that is wishful thinking.

Rodgers can only do so much, potential is only good if you can afford and have the time to nurture it and if other teams stop investing in proven talent!
Don't know what the answer is, patience is the virtue though, so I'm told.

Utter rubbish. We have finished 7th two years running! We now only take on free transfers or buy prospects. The days of us being able to add proven quality players to our team are gone. We are now officially a mid table team and worse of all FSG seem ok with that.
Nred

'what is the point of having a 'number 1 target and not getting it? doesn't make sense friend. Your number one target might not want to come, might be too expensive, might be coveted by other teams etc etc etc. So a number one target isn't a 'sign-at-all- costs ' thing where a failure to get that target means the world comes to an end.
AND we are talking football here -let's get a sense of perspective

Puzzled

Clutching at straws, Puzzled.

HB

05 Jul 2013 21:24:21
Glad the hm deal looks off as although a good player I think the money asked was far to high I'm looking forward to seeing what other option we go for now as I'm still convince this season will be a good one for the club and if the last few months of the season were anything to go by I think by Xmas we could be in a very good position, let's not forget that players like alonso and Sami were not BIG names before they arrived even Torres had an average record in Spain let's not all get caught up in this star names signing boll#*ks as if you look at our history we have always developed players, and let's just remember its only 5days into the transfer window we got ages yet chill out abit

I would have welcomed the Armenian player (easier than attempting the name) but I was very concerned about the reports, IF they were true, about going awol from training camp and going on strike? We have had our fill of 'Tevez-like' behaviour

Puzzled

05 Jul 2013 21:34:02
I knew he wouldn't sign when Macca posted believing he wouldn't, so there's no surprise there. I'm just wondering what's our Plan B

06 Jul 2013 11:48:28
Thanks Random Red, got a few things wrong lately and getting a lot of stick on twitter etc.

I only post what I am told.

At least it shows the owners were willing to spend which is good news.

Cheers

Macca

05 Jul 2013 21:26:08
EDs: if we have lost out on Micky H, who do you think are options now?
Erikson comes to mind, but are their any other options you are aware of?
Kaka. {Ed030's Note - There is no interest in Kaka from Liverpool. }

I did think of Kaka, but Ancelotti will want to keep him around I think. Kaka and Ancelotti are pretty close. I thought of Kaka which made me think Ganso.

Disney! {Ed030's Note - Far to slow imo. }

I think you have players that can play in MK's position. Perhaps Coutinho will play there will another winger coming in? Just a thought.

Disney!

I don't think the intention was for Mkhitaryan to play central necessarily anyway, but more as a wide forward and/or be interchangeable back and forth with Coutinho. Flexibility, pace, and work ethic seems to be things Rodger's likes, so I suspect the next target would have those traits as well.

05 Jul 2013 21:19:17
Hi Eds, Happy Friday. Just a Quick 1, As it seems Liverpool have lost out on HM, do you think it is at all Possible they Could Pursue Modric Instead or do you think wages + age etc would be a no go for the Owners?
concon {Ed030's Note - Wages,Fee and probably unwillingness to play for Liverpool as he could easily sign for a team in the champions league. }

05 Jul 2013 21:13:53
I think a lot of you are over looking the potential pros of next season. We could potentially switch to a highline defense which means even more goals maybe?! That alone excites me if our defense gets sorted. And add to that the increase in our squad depth along with the fact that most of our youngsters have a season of experience under their belts along with even more youngsters potentially breaking through. There's a lot to look forward to and if we miss out on Mkhitaryan it only dwarfs to the excitement ahead in the season awaiting.

Totally agree there.

05 Jul 2013 21:08:38
Anybody slating FSG about finances need to look into why Henrikh isn't coming in, nothing to do with the money simply that we never got to speak to him because he was speaking to Dortmund.
20m elsewhere could be invaluable. Eds can you see us revisiting the Papdopolous transfer now or would an Attack Midfielder still be target?

Anfield Andy

05 Jul 2013 21:02:34
In all honesty we don't know what's going on in Rodgers' mind or the owners. Maybe watching the u20's world cup they've decided Suso is ready or maybe they've found a more cost effective option to conserve money for other targets and decided he wasn't worth the hassle. That's if the news is to be believed which we all know it hardly ever is, but if it is, we should have faith that there's a plan. Going into panic mode really does nothing, what does it help? What does it change? So let's just wait and hope somebody better comes a long.

05 Jul 2013 21:39:16
I love Suso mate, but to think he can bring 15+ goals from midfield is just insane pressure to put on a 19 year old. We need to bring some experienced players to assist and help our youngsters.

[The only REDS]

05 Jul 2013 20:55:47
If I may be permitted a bit of brown-nosing -the change to the search function is first class

Puzzled {Ed030's Note - Yeah it looks brilliant mate mind I still doubt people will bother to use it. }

Whats the point of using the search button? It is easier to pester the ed's with questions. I a sure the ed's love that.

05 Jul 2013 20:42:02
quite pitiful how people carry on as if we were in for messi or something if he has chosen dortmund good luck and move on to our next target if dortmund sign him eriksen is waiting for the call i'd say

mayhem 1981

05 Jul 2013 20:34:34
ha ha ha. There really are some crazy SOBs on this site. Traits include>

Once a newspaper prints something they go mental and immediately cry about it regardless of there being nothing official. I thought this site was for discussion, not listening to a bunch of weird cry babies and their insane posts.

They also get seriously attached to one player. They put some serious blinkers on and then all of a sudden to them this is the only player in the world. If we get this person (Mkhitaryan this years selection) fourth place is gaurenteed regardless of who anyone else gets. If we don't, its a relegation dogfight. Seriously, there ARE plenty of other players that can bridge the gap to fourth for us.

They have no grasp of money. I'm not even sure they know what money is. They seem to think owners have some endless pot somewhere. This makes me think they haven't worked a day in their lives

Also they are extremely racist. They believe all americans are the same. Just becuase they are responsible owners and trying to get Liverpool's finanaces in order (which any owner would have to do), does not mean they are not fully comitted to brining success on the pitch. It is also a very important part of their business plan to do so.

We can't just spend endlessly and run up the debt further and further. That's just nuts. They will spend money on players as they have always have done if the deal is the right one at the right price. If its not, they move on to find targets which meet their criteria and imrpove the squad. That's just common sense.

I seriously wouldn't be suprised if some of the crazies on here have sent some illegal mail to our owners at some point such is their level of crazy.

And all this, five days into the transfer market.


Davey Sulls

05 Jul 2013 21:20:00
Wise words my man. Wise words.

Great post Davey, completely agree. The fan base on this site appears split in 2, those who want owners to spend billions with no regards to FFP or long term financial sustainability, and those a bit more patient and level headed. Maybe it's an experience of life, business or age of fan thing

Excellent views Davey.

The real AG

One of the best posts I've read on this site.

United fan in peace, HB

05 Jul 2013 20:32:52
I think we have done some very shrewd business this transfer window and I think the fair play is in the benefit of all football teams - For owners not to use clubs as a train set.

I really believe that with a "star" addition to the squad such as "Mkhitarayan" we would have a great chance at a top 4 finish.

Regardless of whether we sign a "star" player or not I think the owners deserve credit.

We played some great football at times last year and with a little more consistency we will see a huge improvement under Rodgers - let's get behind our players and manager and judge them at the end of the season, not a few days into the transfer window.

We have the likes of Rafa & kenny to thank for some of these young kids coming through, such as Martin Kelly who I believe will be a quality defender, held in the same regard for those who remember Rob Jones at right back.

Anyway the tennis is sh*t . so role on the football.

PL

Hey the tennis was alright.
Just been watching Andy Murray roll over Peter Crouch!
The Juicer

05 Jul 2013 21:52:44
I would rather watch paint dry than watch tennis:)
Watch the U20 world cup tomorrow mate,
Spain-Uruguay
France-Uzbekistan

Some fantastic prospects, French team has Pogba, Sanogo, Kondogbia, Mirin, Zouma, Digne and more but those was from the top of my head.

[The only REDS]

05 Jul 2013 20:15:48
Least Jonesred has got that 25m back to link us with 4 more foreign stars!

Kidder

05 Jul 2013 19:42:16
Nemzeti Sport reporting that Balazs Dzsudzsak has been in negotiations with Liverpool over a £12million move to LFC. Dynamo will accept and a deal will be done by the end of next week. {Ed030's Note - Probably a recycled story mate. }

05 Jul 2013 21:57:08
Plan B for Mkhitaryan ed? I think it might be.
Coutinho can play centraly with him on the left wing?

[The only REDS] {Ed002's Note - For me Suso. Give the kid a shot.}

05 Jul 2013 22:39:49
Are you serious? Suso to replace Suarez?
Okay. Wonderful.

[The only REDS] {Ed002's Note - Who suggested that? Your constant bleating as Malak or whatever you are calling yourself today is embarrassing.}

05 Jul 2013 19:34:13
Hey Ed's,
I know you don't like to get into finances, but what financial state are the club actually in? Are we in trouble? Are we any worse off than other clubs in the league? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

-Jack the lad- {Ed030's Note - No,Liverpool are losing a lot of money year in year out but still have one of the biggest revenues in the league,Liverpool aren't in a position where we can go out and buy any player we like but we have money available for transfers and are in a decent financial position. }

Ed30, didn't Tom Werner say we can buy any player we want as long as he improves the group, I'm paraphrasing there but that was the gist of what he said if I remember correctly, your saying we can't go out and buy any player we like and I agree with you, so Werner saying that has me confused, hmmmm, interesting!

Waro {Ed030's Note - Messi would improve the group but we won't sign he I presume he meant in reasonable circumstances. }

He said we had the 'resources' to compete with anyone in the world, Waro, not endless amounts of money.

What I'm sure he meant is LFC has a great world-wide fan base, very good partnerships with many sponsors, good management and backroom staff, an excellent academy and facilities, etc. What we do not have is a money tree growing in a secret room at Anfield.

No, but H M would have in my opinion.
Mervue banjo manf

05 Jul 2013 19:21:20
My problem that I see arising come.pre season is.' is this team an IMPROVEMENT on last years? Its nonsense bringing in two three players to replace suarez in aspas, alberto etc. Suarez is our best player and when leaves IMO should be replaced by another top striker ir player. The funds are.there after his sale and with more in and further, there's no excuses why we.shouldnt be bidding on one.or two top players. It seems atm that we have added quaintity instead of quailty. IF' suarez goes and is not replaced by another top player then I have my worrys for next season'

Liverpool

05 Jul 2013 19:12:15
Would have liked to have seen Micky turn out for us but alas it was not to be, and we never lost out because you can't lose what you never had. However, I hope we will not regret going the extra mile for the player.

I have said on many an occasion we are not ready for top 4 even if suarez stayed and we got micky although my heart sayz different. Just hope sidneys words are not prophetic and we end up 7th to 9th in the league.

We will target a few more players before the end of the window, i'm just praying that they will be of the required quality to see us at least maintain out position from last season or even move up one or two places.

Aside from everton the teams in the top 5 positions have strengthened while I feel we have just consolidated. Time will tell I guess.

05 Jul 2013 19:02:42
I think a lot of posters are looking at the Mkhitaryan deal in the wrong way. It would seem that Shakhtar were always opposed to doing a deal with Liverpool and that in an attempt to get as much money as possible were offering Mkhitaryan to top teams around Europe. As soon as Dortmund became interested I think we would have done extremely well to get him. Not only do Dortmund have Champions League this year, they were runners up last year. Being objective if I was Mkhitaryan I would rather go to Dortmund. Plus I believe Shakhtar would rather sell to Dortmund as they feel they (Shakhtar) are in a better position than Liverpool. The only reason therefore that Mkhitaryan would come to us was if he was a fan. If he does go to Dortmund it would follow that this isn't true.
When it comes to the fees we would have had to pay, I think every player has his price and Shakhtar wanted more than the price we were willing to pay and weren't going to budge. As I haven't seen Mkhitaryan play live I have had to rely on Youtube videos and well-respected pundits' opinions. From these it seems to me he is worth more than £20m but I don't know the exact asking price and all that matters is that we were unwilling to pay the sum amount (the thing that was making me edgy about paying close to £30m was that why weren't other top clubs interested when asked).
I think we should be proud we got close and should remember there are others we can buy.
Maybe my argument is flawed but it is what I believe.

dermot

05 Jul 2013 18:53:57
Hey all,

Just wondering, with the possible move of Mkhitaryan going to Dortmund, I wanted to ask people and the eds who we could be looking at as a replacement? Possibly back to Ericksen?

CumbrianScouse {Ed030's Note - Try the new and improved search function mate. }

05 Jul 2013 18:40:21
i agree with most fans here. who are annoyed with Liverpool not doing all they can to sign. genuine quality.
the quality is disappearing from Liverpool. gerrard reina. are all that's left. i'd say agger and johnson actually. but that's it. i'm not even gona tag suarez.hes a mug

so there is no intent on adding proven quality at the club. I don't know why. we all know spurs and arsenal will sign quality. spurs have already with paulinho
and we are supposed to catching them!. because chelsea and city and man u are just a million miles from us.

signing an average kid from sevilla. and a goalkeeper. is just rubbish.

so I totally agree with you guys about being disappointed in dortmund getting mickey. I seriously have no idea what's happening at the club. what are their ambitions. because how can we get top 4 . when we haven't added any top players, with suarez leaving too. wel be 10 or more points behind 4th. that's a standard

we should be buying players. that will oust gerrard. or lucas. or agger. or suarez. u know. so even they are fighting for their place.

the fact is. nobody who has been bought will get to our first 11

how!

red lobster

Agree with your post
Maybe some of those already bought are for the 1st team. Sad really,
Mervue banjo man

I would suspect Mignolet and Toure will certainly be likely in the first 11 and probably Aspas as well.

05 Jul 2013 18:31:58
Question for the eds, or anyone else,

we all assumed that Skrtel would be gone this summer, with either rodgers moving him on a la Shelvey or skrtel pushing a move for more playing time. Although early there hasn't been a lot of chatter about skrtel leaving. Is it because there is no market for him right now, or has anyone heard if Rodgers has had a change of heart in his view of skrtel?

Lee in philly

05 Jul 2013 18:22:20
Ed is it true that Mkhitaryan is on the verge of a move to Dortmund? Cheers.
ROI. {Ed030's Note - Yes mate,The fee needs sorting out though. }

The Liverpool Echo says we have lost in the race to buy this player.
If they say it then it is a good chance that's it.
Pity, he looks a hell of a player

05 Jul 2013 18:18:17
Slipping into midtable mediocrity nexts season.

Who remembers the transfer mess last summer?

Buying bargain basement younger players in the hope one will actually do well!

We have one main target .and we can't get him.

Not really bothered as its just another mercenary player avoided.

However one wonders about the clubs negotiating and sales skills as it's questionable.

M

Yeah its a complete mess. Only the rest of the window to find an alternative what will we ever do? How is this similar to last window, we have four targets in and it's better to know now that he wasn't going to sign than on deadline day.

Don't know how you can call a player a mercenary just because he wants to join the CL finalists over Liverpool. I'd be more sceptical of players like falcao who went to a newly promoted club over CL teams.

05 Jul 2013 21:11:14
Haha, you should do the negotiations then?
We would be playing conference league football you tool.
Am for once happy the club doesn't want to overpay for players and I'm sure they have many other targets.
Now $odd off please. You and your likes don't deserve to support us. You don't know what the word support means.

05 Jul 2013 17:53:58
Hi, i'm Peter from Austria.
This is my first message here.
I'm read this side every day to be on top of the rumours about LFC.
About 10 minutes ago, I saw on bild.de webside, that Dortmund has agreed a fee about HM. They will pay at least 24 Mio. �uro an HM will have a contract till 2018. Dortmund are very happe to beat LFC and Spurs in signing HM Bild writes.
Sorry for my english.
peter

05 Jul 2013 17:44:08
Ed Mkhitaryan is off to Dortmund? {Ed030's Note - He will sign for Dortmund if a fee can be agreed upon. }

05 Jul 2013 17:26:05
According to Raphael Honigstein there is just small details to be sorted "only some legal details yet to be finalised".

The fee is �25m.

Disney!

I suppose you can't talk about your transfers this summer disney. Cheers for the info cracked lad.

Mighty reds

Did you enjoy writing that post?

05 Jul 2013 17:03:17
Dortmund will pay just 23 million for Mk. They are the only club to make a bid according to reports.

05 Jul 2013 17:21:00
The amount of people that throw there toys out the cot just because they here of another team chasing players that we are linked with is laughable. Come on guys grow up.

Mighty reds

The fact that hm seemed to be our prime target and we dragged our feet is what will annoy us fans. As the Eds said, Liverpool knew what had to be done but failed to do so. We have missed out on him, I'm sure we have other targets but let's get deals wrapped up sooner rather than later

I agree.
these are the same fans that were critisizing the club when we didn't buy clint dempsey.
im glad we didn't buy him, as he's an average player, as we all saw last season.
let the club do what they do best. we should support them REGARDLESS.
WERE NOT THE BEST FANS IN THE WORLD FOR NOTHING.
YNWA.
UNCLE ZAINY BEAR.

Fair enough, but all the same he was top top target and getting him would have been an real coup for Liverpool. It so frustrating, Suarez is almost sure to leave, our other new signings look decent enough but I think they nothing extra special. Unless there are a couple of major surprises I think next season will a similar story to last.

I believe what is gets everybody so worked up, is that we always seem to lose out to other clubs when there is competition for a player. Its either we are not a big draw anymore or we have a p*** poor transfer negotiating policy.

Casey

05 Jul 2013 17:14:14
I'd be gutted if we lost out on Mkhitaryan but I WILL NOT criticize anyone at the club! There has been an insane amount of work that has gone on behind the scenes to secure some of our main targets in Mignolet, Toure, Alberto and Aspas.
Lets be honest, it isn't much of a one legged race when you compare Liverpool and Dortmund. Only Liverpool fans would turn down an offer from a team like them.
Also, I didn't KNOW MKHITARYAN WAS THE ONLY ATTACKING MIDFIELDER IN THE WORLD. You miss out on a target, you move onto the next. there's players like these all around the world. there's Erikson, Lamela and others, MANY OTHERS!
Lastly, Armenian sources reported we almost signed him last week? How did that pan out. i'm not saying the reports are untrue, but wait for something official or a source that is more concrete.
RedSox69

Completely agree.

The difference is we won't be able to get Lamela and there's no interest in Erikson as he's a different type of player.

05 Jul 2013 16:57:17
MK to Dortmund. To save others saying it in very long posts that are barely legible let’s try and summarise the likely posts for the next 72 hours: FSG no ambition, Ayre rubbish, mid table team, Leeds, no investment, don’t understand football, BR inexperienced….

You forgot: "Are Liverpool interested in Eriksen {Ed?'s Note - RTP}"

I think you might mean "barely literate". All printed words are legible i.e. can be read. I don't know anyone who posts using their own handwriting.Choose your words carefully before attempting to be superior to others.

05 Jul 2013 17:57:01
Spot on mate. Hehe, I think it will be even worse though.

Way I look t it, most teams lose out on targets and if this is true, we move on to plan B!

Obviously you who don't understand football at all, go back to your online fm games kiddo

And your post would be correct in its summary

Support other team then. LFC is not rich club like city, PSG or monaco

I would still wouldn't we sad if we spend the 25+ million pounds getting Christian Erikson - 12-14 million and Papadopoulos - 16 million.
But I am confident we will not do so cheap persons.

Yep, pretty accurate summary

Ah right, see I was going to support Liverpool again next season but I guess there is no point.

That response you want?

05 Jul 2013 18:47:25
I don't want to see us spend millions and be in debt . We are one of the greats in world football but yet we need financial stabilty and a stadium . let's be patient and see what the season brings . So called big teams with big signings doesn't bring success. and how many times has aso called big team come to Anfield and expected to win a game and been lucky in doing it. So don't be down just believe in Liverpool

Cheers Alfie

I agree with everything u have said ;-)
Chris the REDman

Foolish talk. nonsense

Go support another team then. Who's stopping you?

05 Jul 2013 16:53:14
If people believe bild so much then I for one cannot wait to see Rooney playing for bayern Munich next season.

Bild is the German S*n
Say no more
Truth, remember?
JFT96

This news looks more legit as munich never made an official bid for rooney but dortmund did for HM

05 Jul 2013 16:46:43
Until we see Mkhitaryan in a Dortmund shirt then Liverpool will still be in the running. Papers over here have been running wild saying we have agreed deals, that he was due for a medical etc. Why would it be any different for the German media to say it about Dortmund? let's just wait and see before getting ahead of ourselves lads.

JFT 96

JP

He has the calves of a horse that Toure!
No doubt going to be one of our most consistent performers.
RedSox69

This shouldve been a reply to a post by Young Baller, my bad.
RedSox69

05 Jul 2013 16:26:40
so Mkhitaryan to dortmund is a done deal? nice one.

If this is true, I, l be totally gutted!

05 Jul 2013 16:13:43
If all the reports coming from Germany and HK isn't coming to Anfield it suddenly puts a big doubt on the transfer business so far as the 2 big targets we've been heavily linked to we have been priced out of both. I guess it's the lack of CL appeal but feel if we do lose Suarez as well top 4 us feeling further away at the moment
Here's hoping its all rumours and not a dead deal yet

Its not the lack of CL its the lack pf pulling out the money to compete fsg out!

FSG out, WHY, they've spent money, some wasted by previous manager, some not.
If FSG hadn't rescued us we'd have probably be back in second tier of Englsih football.

05 Jul 2013 17:59:23
Utter underpants "fans" like you out.
OUT.

Maybe we have to sell suarez before we buy his replacement

I think as a fans we need to be realistic nd look around. if Liverpool is going to have bad season because one player who was linked to us we never bought then we might as well lock the gates nd shut lfc forever. we have stable team nd we have good player in every position we will be fine. big money transfer hasn't serve us well nd in some cases we were held to ransom nd ended up paying over the odds.we have good squad nd bit of luck nd couple of good addition will see us get better
in table compared to last year. I just urge fans not to get wind up at media rumours as no
one knows who we have or going to bid
newspaper need gossip to sell nd if am not
wrong we have bee linked toaround 70 odd
players in last year. I don't think we have
resources or are stupid to scout nd shortlist
That many players. we all fans regardless we criticise owners or player just want our beloved club to do well. let's stay together as fans nd not fight among each other. constructive criticism nd discussions are good but don't turn into bitterness or digs or senseless moaning.

Harry Oldbury

So now we myst accept being mid table yeah? If thry couldny afford to make us competitive then yhey shouldve spent their money on the red sox instead

Look at the ins and outs, how much we spent 2 mil?. Yeah great I wonder what bargain we will find next.

Why don't you look at how much we are in loss every year.why don't you look last 10-15 year and look at our spend against top teams nd you will realize our result doesn't match our spending.kenny spent over 100 mill what did we achieve?. Liverpool needs to self sustainable nd what happens to suso sterling ibe nd numbers of other academy player who will never get chance due to high profile buys. its very easy to calculate net sepend. whi paid agent fees nd wages . we must to spend this crazy spending addiction or we will end up like Leeds for sure. we are still top half of table not mid table. Liverpool s future needs to be shaped nd its case of taking risk every year nd over spend nd bring club closer to death or have strong foundation nd start up again. Choice is yours.

Harry Oldbury

05 Jul 2013 15:44:30
Hi Ed's

I speak German and have been reading from numerous of media reports in Germany that Mkhitaryan is going to Dortmund after talking with Jurgan Klopp in Donsk.

I speak English, and can read a bit of German - and it just depends on what site you read in Germany whether or not he goes to BVB, some say they have agreed terms with player, but not with the club, some say he has agreed terms with Liverpool.
Think it best to wait and see - however, if I was HM, tough choice for him :-
Bortmund - best average gate in Europe 80,000, Champions League, most enjoyable League to watch and probably play in, and a decent wage.

LFC - Average gate of 45,000 - no European football, and sub standard ( football wise ) league, and a decent wage as well.

No brainer - he's going to Germany.

That's Dortmund - not Bortmund.

05 Jul 2013 17:35:35
John B, you're clueless if you think the Bundesliga is better than the premier league. 2 good teams don't make a league. I can bet my house 1 of 2 teams will win the Bundesliga, Serie A & La Liga.
Bayern/Dortmund, Juventus/Milan, Barca/Madrid.
PL is the best most competitive league in the world.
Sub standard my arse. And am Spanish/Egyptian

The only REDS

I speak German too

Wot is Your name?

He's not in Donetsk and neither is Herr Klopp.
Pfftt

John b sub standard football what do you watch

A sub standard (football wise) league?? U havin a laugh??

red father

OK John its a smaller attendance but the Premier League is the best in the world and we are heading in the right direction. Also Liverpool still is a massive club and top players will come, so it's not a non brainer

05 Jul 2013 15:10:45
hi eds Borussia Dortmund management have settled the remaining issues concerning the signing of Armenia and Shakhtar midfielder Henrikh Mkhitaryan. Sport1.de reports that the deal is expected to be signed next week.

Preliminary reports say Borussia will pay �23m for the Armenian midfielder. It is also reported that Mkhitaryan has agreed the terms of his contract with Borussia.

so we miss out again

We miss out again? I don't get this. We have signed all of our targets so far. Every team doesn't sign all there targets for some reasons. Wait and see what happens the rest of the window. Patience please.

We miss out because of the incompetent Ian Ayre, this isn't new. {Ed002's Note - It is pitiful that some fans seem to turn on the owners, the management, the players, other fans etc. so easily.}

Old story and even in the old story Shakhtar rejected Dortmunds first offer of 23 EUROS (not pounds).
The Liverpool Echo seem quite adiment that Mkhitaryan is going to Liverpool and the Echo are certainly one of the most reliable when it comes to Liverpool FC and Everton FC matters.

we will see.

Well mkhitaryan is well known to be our prime no 1 target and 1st big name quality player and the club have failed

05 Jul 2013 15:02:29
Hi ED hope all is well with you and thanks for doing a great job.

I think you should just let the fans know that we are not going to buy Mkhitaryan and we aren't going to have Suarez he's off to RM .


Thanks Just keeping it real

What a ray of sunshine you are

And you just keeping it real - is just an opinion I am guessing. Unless of course you have a sixth sense or access to the inner sanctum of Anfield Road.

05 Jul 2013 14:39:05
I understand that LFC has negotiated itself in to a position where HM wants to join and all parties involved in the ownership are happy with our offer. However, LFC have not pushed to complete the deal until they know what is happening with with Suarez. The owners will still sanction a deal for HM if Suarez stays, but other sales may have to be made. So while LFC try to resolve the Suarez situation, Shatkar are touting HM round to try and get more money. So come on Luis, make your mind up so we can move forward.

Bigjanfan

It is not about Suarez 'making his mind up, ' its is about Madrid making a satisfactory offer, which no doubt, they will only make on 31st August.

El Pi**edolero

Are these yonks going to spend any money all the buys tjis summer have been funded by sales crikey back your manager he wants hm do the deal or stop going on about top4 because u are not giving him the tools to compete I thought he had 25m to spend he hasn't spent anything of that use that will will get 35 to 40m for ls to get other targets {Ed002's Note - Another idiot with no grasp of reality.}

Surely if the owners will sanction a move for MK even if Suarez stays then why do we need to wait for Suarez?

We should just do the deal now and get it over with, without pussyfooting around. We can sell more deadwood later if the need arises.

Jonny Spandex

05 Jul 2013 15:43:30
i have read that shaktar have told Liverpool 30meuro to get him yet panoram am r saying that dortmund have agreed a 23meuro price with shaktar, r they really that desperate not to sell him to us r have we not even matched dortmunds terms.Tommy Irish Red

Why d people assume we need t wait for suarez! drives me mad!

Luis Saurez - will not go to Real Madrid, unless it happens early in the transfer window, LFC will certainly not wait till 31st August if they did decide to sell, and it will be the clubs decision, not Saurez's.
Only an opinion of course.

They turned down Dortmunds 23 euro offer.

05 Jul 2013 14:28:55
In my opinion I think Arsenal have basically guaranteed themselves top 4 with the signing if Higuian. The top 6 have got much tighter so hopefully it will be an even more exciting league next year!

Higuain in podolski out not sure that's an improvement

In fairness their main problem hasn't been goals but lack of a quality DM

05 Jul 2013 17:50:38
There is no so called guarantees in football.
There are 38 games and any team can take points off any team.
It's nonsensical to say this & that team will do this and that before a ball has been kicked.
Maybe Moyes will bottle it? Maybe he won't. Maybe we will be more consistent? Maybe we won't.
Maybe Bale will leave? Maybe he won't.
Maybe Arsenal's "star" signing is overrated? Maybe he's not.
Maybe Pellegrini & Mourinho won't be the huge successes everyone thinks they will be? maybe they will.
The transfer window just opened though and many things can & will happen.

Podolski is not going anywhere any will most likely play on the left flank. And Higuain has a higher conversion rate than Podolski, so technically it is an improvement.

Ted (an Arsenal fan)

05 Jul 2013 14:04:26
Panorama AM (Armenian newspaper I believe) say Dortmund have agreed to sign Mkhitaryan for 23m euro.
Deal to be confirmed early next week.
Doesn't sound good.
Bild are also running the same story.
I guess Ian Ayre is in for serious abuse if true and this lad has slipped away.
Check it out if you don't believe me.
Disappointing to say the least, this lad is tipped to be a star.

05 Jul 2013 13:46:37
Lewandowski 30m will replace suarez 50m
Astu 3m will replace downing 7.5m
Papa 17m will also join
Heard it here first

Lewandowski is true he wants to fire Liverpool back into CL
So think it is fake burr I be having the last laugh

Also from a united fan from germany
No i'm not german i'm english from manchester living out here if your woundering why my english is so good lol

LOL is right unfortunately.

Davey Sulls.

Are you sure your from manchester . Utd fan really .
Thanks but don't think so
YNWA
Jamesy

You're right.

I was "woundering" why you're English was so good.

;)

I do think it is fake. Apart from Lewandowski which is laughable you say Atsu will replace Downing despite the fact that they play in different positions (Downing is RW and Atsu is LW).

Downing is a left winger, he is left footed!!!!!!!!

Would love the lewandowski one to be true but unfortunately I think its all fake.

Lil Red

Nice one Jamesy!

And no name, yes nicely noticed Downing is left footed yes but he plays on the right 95% of the time

Downing does play RW for us now though as BR likes him to cut in on his left. This also makes room for Glen Johnson to run down the right wing from full back.

Jay

Downing plays on the RW for Liverpool. If you watched any game in the second half of the season you would see this.

05 Jul 2013 13:40:44
Degsypulford here again (Evertonian in peace). I see that Suarez looks like he is going. but to where we do not know. I hope this comes across the way it is meant. but I honestly think that although he is really a quite brilliant player (world class), he has dragged your proud club into the gutter more than once. As well as the times he has been caught biting and aiming kicks at other players, I have seen him quite a few times get away with such things. He should really have been sent off in other games. I honestly think he is a liability and you will do better without him. Whoever gets him will always have a worry at the back of their minds that he is about to do some weird thing and get sent off and banned for say 12 games. I am sure you will get a pretty penny for him and be able to sign a few good players. Good luck for the season.
Degsypulford

That's fair enough mate.
But what about Big Dunc in charge of the kids at your place?
He was not exactly a role model at times in the past, although he is sound now.
Everton, and its fans, stuck by him. because he did the biz on the pitch (especially against us).
The Juicer

Thanks for your opinion Degsy.

The real AG

Agreed Degsy.
Welcome back pal.
Glad to see certain individuals didn't drive you away.
Good luck to Everton too mate.
Hopefully we'll both finish in the top 4 soon.
Wishful thinking I suppose but who knows.
Take care fella.

I suppose the same goes for the most lethal elbows in the game belonging to Fellaini then, or have you conveniently not seen him use them.
How he always gets away with it is quite remarkable.
Jealousy is a bad trait.

John B, did you read his comment or just as far as Everton fan? His comment is fine, relax

I just want to echo the other posters words, you are welcome on our site Degsy, pity more comments between reds and blues can't be so civil, good luck for the new season.

05 Jul 2013 13:25:14
Kolo is quicker than Agger! So all those who were scared that Kolo lost his legs it simply isn't the case.

Not that Agger is the quickest CB in the World but no one really moans about Daniel's pace or that it is a problem in the back line. So by those ever so high standards Kolo shouldn't have his pace questioned or slagged off.

I think it's becoming more and more like the best defender we could have got and for free to replace the irreplaceable Carragher, it would have been nice to get a fit Papadopolos from Schalke or the Alderweirld (spelling) player from Ajax but Kolo is seasoned and vetted heavily in this League and will prove to be a very worthy asset going forward.

I have to admit and I think I type/speak for millions of Reds World wide, in thinking Suarez's interviews and not give a muck attitude about the club is really sad to see and think he should of handled it like a gentleman. I think given another season with the new recruits we'd have certainly given a genuine account of ourselves with a genuine squad, as the beginning of last season was worrying threadbare throughout the squad. I personally understand that Suarez wants to leave and don't have any problem with that but not like what we've seen and read, quietly behind closed doors with a wave to the fans and a thank you to all involved at the club not being dragged along the muddy path.

Suarez is a great player but the baggage is near unbearable, he burns his bridges regardless and it's with the ones that go out for him the most, publicly and he gets away with it because he's one of the best players not just at Liverpool but in the League, I don't think enough can be said about how much ability he has or his goal scoring and assist record, he's ridiculously productive on the pitch.

05 Jul 2013 12:45:39
Isn't that 10 day window mentioned by Shaktar to buy Mkhitaryan nearly up now?
Looks like the lad will have to break his contract or stay where he is.
I'd expect concrete news either way by next Tuesday due to this deadline. {Ed002's Note - It was a red herring.}

Hes going 2 bvb

Ok, thanks.

05 Jul 2013 12:25:04
Eds, do you know if we are considering loaning out sterling. Personally I think we should keep him because we don't have many decent wingers {Ed002's Note - I would doubt that they are.}

05 Jul 2013 12:01:40
Hi to all the eds. Sterling work you are all doing. Would it be possible to explain how domestic players agents work compared to foreign agents and what, if any differences there are and why?

Stevie from Belfast {Ed002's Note - They are no different fundamentally. The major difference is the players as far fewer English players would be interested in playing overseas, so agents tend to be dealing with fewer potential suitors.}

05 Jul 2013 11:47:25
Hey eds, heard some very iffy rumors today:
- Dortmund are paying the 30 mln asked by Donetsk, Mickey already agreed personal terms;
- we are back in for Alderwield for 8-10 mln;

Are there any actual updates, or is it just headlines?
Also, heard Nickolay Mihaylov is moving back to England, any info where? I guess it wouldn't be with us, and Mignolet is better than him anyways.

Drigan {Ed002's Note - I agree that you have heard some unusual things - would this be Twitter?}

Local sites, ed, but the Mickey rumour is based on German media - not sure if it is more reliable than ours.

Cheers,
Drigan

Fascinating to see people getting their pounds, euros and dollars confused, Dortmund have bid 30 million dollars which is the exact amount of the release clause, £19.8 million .

The release clause is now in the public domain, thanks to the Shakhtar CEO, the club are refusing to honour it, that is why HM has gone in to hiding .

Contrary to some posters on these pages, he is not holding out for more money, and he certainly does not want to go to Dortmund .

Liverpool simply want to pay the fee promised by HM's super agent, Mino Raiola, on 10th June 2013, which is £19.8 million . {Ed002's Note - It is not a release clause.}

Shaktar want 25 million for mkhitahn however, mkhitahn does have a clause in his contract where he can go for 19.8 million. Liverpool though are trying to purchase the player with out placing that 25 million but they do not want the player to go through the traumatic expearence of breaking his contract. {Ed002's Note - Just forget all of this "clause" and "contract" stuff.}

There is no release clause in HM contract but the player can brake his contract and in doing so he would need to come up with 30 mil dollars i.e £19.8 ml, Liverpool know that too, but Liverpool don’t want to be seen as the bad guy encouraging the player to brake his contract so LFC doing their best to sort it out with out having to pay more than their should, infect Liverpool don’t need to talk to Shakhtar other owners own more of the shares.

abbs {Ed002's Note - Are you getting all of this crap from Twitter or somewhere else? Where will Mkhitaryan get $30M from? Do you know the meaning of the word "unilateral" - because it is one you need to learn. Someone has also misled you over his ownership as well.}

I think Shaktar and their manager are just being deliberately awkward. Lucescu has had previous with English clubs.
There are lots of rumors flying around but I'm convinced that Mkhitaryan has set his heart on joining Liverpool.
Lets hope he does! {Ed002's Note - Why would they not want as much money as they can get for their players?}

Actually he is correct Ed, there is no release clause but there is an allowance for HM to break his contract if he buys himself out.

Comes straight from their chairman's mouth, basically they are saying they would rather do a gentlemanly deal for 25.5m.

But MK can actually buy himself out of the contract. He wouldn't need to find 30m dollars Ed because obviously the club he chose would end up paying it.


I do think its more than the fee though as Lpool want to pay 20m, they want 25.5. If they really wanted a gentlemanly agreement then just meet in the middle so surely more to it than a 5m gap in the fees. {Ed002's Note - You too have been misled. There is an agreement for a unilateral termination of the contract if both parties agree. As for the finances, again there is no point discussing it as you seem to think the buying club could pay that amount.}

I think it was Palkin or whatever his name is, from SD, who said this. But I guess, like the 10 day limited fee SD talked about, it is a red herring?

Man, SD talk a lot of BS.

The real AG

05 Jul 2013 11:25:09
i don't think dortmund will want MK at anything above the price they have bid now according to waht there CEO has said unless its "PLAIN BROWN WRAPPER" to throw us of gaurd

05 Jul 2013 10:36:13
How many more players are Liverpool to sign?
I hope Heno joins Liverpool FC

I've got an uncle Heno.

Not great at football, but as he's a doctor, he could sign as part of the medical team?

Hope that would make you happy :)

05 Jul 2013 10:23:54
Hi there eds was just wondering if you can shed any light on wether Suarez will be on tour to Australia in a few weeks time all the supporters out here are desperate to see him. If he has not been sold by then of course {Ed002's Note - I could only guess.}

05 Jul 2013 10:52:28
It's amazing that when their weed just ridiculous bits really food About Suarez moving on, I'd dry at least 90% of fans on her thought
1, he is irreplaceable, it's a massive backward step espcialy at boardroom level so bring him some help. Which we did.
2, He's gone from the very same people whole defended him and his actions . Those same said people are now saying we don't really need him, to gready etc etc.
You're all off your heads whose opinion and fact are all but the same.
Grow up and stop acting like brats.
Liverpool was here when he came it'll be here when he's gone.
Andanother fact to bear in mind is the he's ain't always greener at pastures new.

No player in the world is irreplacable.

Eh???

Can't believe you signed that lol "off your head" is a very appropraite choice of words.

05 Jul 2013 12:15:47
My point being it's amazing how the fans and most of em Bang Suarez to the hilt no matter what talented he's pulled. We can't let him go, it's a backward step, an cried of we got 50 For Torres we sold should get 60 for Suarez.
Now he's of the genera consensus is that we don't need him and what comes with him, most of you have done more 180s On Suarez's opinion about being here next season its plain as ****in what's happening.

05 Jul 2013 13:02:45
get back to school and learn to write properly. if you can't post something which makes sense don't bother.

Have I just entered the dutch language version of this site?!

I'd have to agree with the poster who suggests you go back to school. Your post makes very little sense. Are you Johnboy from The Waltons?

05 Jul 2013 16:16:13
Oh my oh my
I've only heard that one probably 10,000 times.
Oh the Irony a man who goes by red Indian trying to rip someone who goes by a name in an Old American show.
Did everyone at your school go own ow ow ow ow while paying their hands over they're mouth. I know people really did do that so there ain't much change. Hoped you've stopped scalping folk too.
JohnBoy

I think you are referring to native americans they are commonly known as Indians all because of some very ignorant "explorers"

05 Jul 2013 10:45:50
Hi ed's

The echo is reporting that Liverpool are willing to spend £25mil on mkhitaryan, and he wants to come to lfc.

They state agent fees is the current stumbling block.

Is this common? And since lfc are willing to cough up the money, do you see the deal picking up some momentum or is likely to drag on.

Cheers

Pug. {Ed002's Note - This has been done to death and I have explained this from day one.}

05 Jul 2013 10:14:43
Sorry to see Shelvey go, but he has not progressed sufficiently and Luis Alberto has far more in his locker to offer BR and his system of play than Shelvey does. Where required BR is upgrading the squad with better players. Aspas is a very astute signing and has the ability and work ethic to make a similar impact which Tevez did when he joined the premiership. Toure is also very very good signing on a free. I would not be surprised if he makes the centre back spot his own this season. If over the next couple of weeks we can sign Mickey or someone with a similar style we would have a very good squad for next season. Offensively we have far more pace to the team that we have had in years. It would of course be disappointing if Suarez goes. If it does drag on I don't see BR and the club making a last minute Carroll type mistake. They showed last summer that if need be they will keep the money to one side until they are ready to spend it wisely. With Coutinho, Aspas, Sturridge and Borini on board (and a player of Mickey's quality) there would be enough goals available to move forward without Suarez. Reality Red

Good post, agree with it all except I'd be slightly more worried in losing Suarez and his goals. Him being 1 player in the team getting so many goals versus needing goals from 2-3 players to replace his goals. E.g. Aspas hopefully replaces Downing and offers more goals. If we keep Suarez then these Aspas' goals are extra goals for the team without losing Suarez' goals. If we sell Suarez then we start talking about these goals replacing some of Suarez' goals rather than adding to them. I basically want all the goals haha!

05 Jul 2013 10:10:00
Just have to say i'm fairly disappointed with what Jan Molby has come out and said today about Renia and Suarez. We can safely say that he has no idea what actually goes on at the club, nor do any of us, but it is out of order to suggest or imply any of the rumours surrounding renia and suarez are/should happen :/
I know he was quality back in his day but his opinions should be kept to himself, in order to ensure there isn't any rumours or extra pressure on players and staff with the media surely circling and wanting a bit of gossip from the pre-season training, disrupting our preparations for august.
Rant Over.

Kieran {Ed002's Note - The disruption has been caused by Suarez, not Molby.}

Mate your hoping for everyone to act nice and saying nothing bad and forget the saga that's ongoing in the hope that Suarez changes his mind. let it go mate

Molby loves our club, just like Hansen, Lawrenson, Barnes, Thompson and many others do. He has every right to an opinion.

Some fans hate Lawrenson for telling the simple truth, do you think Carragher is going to lie just to make fans believe all is right when something goes wrong.

They are just telling the truth or what they actually feel about certain matters and they have a right to do so.

They both want to leave with the best deal for them selves that's why they have not asked for a move, jan is ok to opine as we all are other wise this site would not have any appeal. red mick tag.

05 Jul 2013 09:22:14
Hi does anyone know when suarez is mnet to be back in training?

Benswan {Ed002's Note - July 22.}

Do you think he will come back eds?

London red {Ed002's Note - If he is still with the club then he will come back.}

Unless he does a macherano :D

05 Jul 2013 08:34:57
Hey Eds, This is more hoping than rumour. Are Liverpool looking at Salih Ucan of Fenerbahce? Seems a very neat player

Thanks

MartinC {Ed002's Note - No, sorry.}

I googled him and there is no way he looks neat

05 Jul 2013 08:04:13
So annoyed about all the latest rumours regarding Suarez. now everybody is going on about him again, does it even need to be discussed? the be all and end all is he won't be moving to another club in England and betime the end of the transfer window he won't be a Liverpool player. enough is enough. Suarez who? let's speak about somebody else!

Hi Don, if Chelsea put an offer acceptable to the club then I could see Suarez having no problems joining them. Do you really think he lies awake at night crying over the English media? I would say his preferred destination is Madrid yes but I would think he would be more than willing to go to an EPL side with a change of winning the league and even a shout of doing well in the champions league.

Sorry Sean I completely disagree he's got his family to worry about when it comes to the media so why would he stay in England? I really can't see him doing that even though it's clear he has little respect for the club I can't imagine him joining our rivals

London red

Hi London red, I think he's just using the media as an excuse. He was getting plenty of stick for diving yet he continued to dive. He was getting abuse for mouthing off to officials yet he continued. I remember Suarez done a big interview about a month or so before he bit Ivanovic and he spoke of his image, his worry for his family, the negativity from the media and how he had turned a corner and wanted to improve, etc. He then went and bit Ivanovic. I, therefore, don't think he cares too much about the media giving him stick.

05 Jul 2013 06:02:16
has anyone else noticed that suarez has been taken off the advertisement for the 3rd kit could this be a sign that he is defiantly going?

I seen a bright sparkle in the sky last night then it disappeared.could this mean were not alone in the universe.que xfiles theme tune

05 Jul 2013 03:26:07
and another thing . on negative posts re Suarez,
do any of us know what is going on NO!
How many actually read the full unedited interviews the past few weeks . not many i'll bet .
Ok . he might want to go, can you blame him!
He's marmite I know - you either love him or not but you can't deny he's a great player and we'd have one helluva a job replacing him .
Let's wait and see what happens in the window 'cos it just might be he stay's after all and it does nobody any good taking notice of the bias crap our media I busy stirring up .
If anybody want's to buy him - they know the price SIMPLE!
But I think i'm right in saying that as now nobody has actually made a bid for him .
Just wait people .

I know exactly what is going on with Suarez. He is being an ungrateful, manipulative, psychotic person somewhere and I hope he goes to another team sharpish. Could not care less where he ends up but mark my words it will end badly. Suarez is nothing but bad news.

04 Jul 2013 23:55:37

Redken {Ed002's Note - I appreciate your post but I really do not want to get in to any of the financial aspects - and certainly I would expect any "certified accountant" to know the answer to several of the questions you ask - such as where to obtain copies of financial statements. Clearly you have been misinformed about the purchase of the club and several other matters regarding the finances.}

05 Jul 2013 10:22:57
Hi Ed002, thanks for the reply. I really cannot find LFC's statements and have searched all over the web for it. I have yet to try FSG's corporate site though. Think they may have something on it there. I may try it, but if you know where I may get them, I'll be really grateful if you can share it with me. As where I come from, private companies do not need to publish their finances unlike public ones. I am unsure if that works the same in the UK. I also appreciate and respect that you do not want to talk things finances, just would like to take a look at the statements and understand the situation. Cheers and thanks again.

Redken {Ed002's Note - You need to visit the Companies House web site to obtain the detailed accounts.}

05 Jul 2013 00:17:43
we go on about needing a CAM and if its not HM, then its CE. We go on about players being included from real Madrid in a suarez deal, that no ones happy about. let me kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Modric.

We lose Suarez a thirty goal striker and sign Modric who rarely scores more than four and makes remarkably few assists for a player of his ilk and profile, I think if we lose Suarez which looks to be the reality of things then it needs to be a goal scorer who comes in. Modric isn't going to put Modric on the bench, also I think he'd be looking to currently more interesting offers financially as well as being in the Champions League, he's on big money and might just soak up the Sun on big money for a season.

Rodgers has put his faith in Aspas,
Coutinho and Sturridge among others, I don't think Alberto was bought to be a youth player, I think he puts pressure directly on Henderson and will start at least twenty games should he stay fit and might even cause a headache depending how well he adjusts as he can hit the ball and many of his goals are from outside the box so far and the goals stay the same size, I genuinely think he's going to be a hit but I still say the same about Borini.

BCDI (Borini can do it)

Doubt he would want to leave Madrid for us though. If ancelotti rates him hel probably be a starter

Good idea lad, but its never going to happen. give me Mk all day.

Have you forgot how he left Spurs?

Have you ever e thought that BR might have his own ideas of players he likes and how he'd like the team to play.

He doesn't score enough goals, neither does Eriksen. It's been a difficult process finding the right player and HM is that man. I think he'll sign, but it's a complex deal.

Papa G

05 Jul 2013 00:03:40
Moving away from the arguments that rage on this site, what is the general feeling towards the Mignolet transfer? The general consensus seems to be that Mignolet was one of the stand out keepers in the Prem last year, with Pepe showing a resurgence in form towards the end of the season. On paper having two top keepers is great, but really how is it going to function? Mignolet wants to surpass Courtois for the World Cup, whilst Reina has always only known being #1. Surely one is going to get frustrated? Spending £9m on a 'competition keeper' just doesn't really add up to me. My only thinking would be Mignolet bought to replace Pepe next season and become acclimatized to LFC. Thoughts?

JFT 96

JP

Well, Pepe *is* used to being a world class 'keeper that simply warms the bench for Spain.

We'll sell Reina and buy McCarthy as number 2 to Mignolet.

My thinking is similar to your's JP. I think the full story was that Barca wanted Pepe to replace Valdes this year but then Valdes decided to stay so he can get a nice signin on fee for which ever team he sign's for next season, therefore after spending 50 mill on Neymar, Barca see it unnecessary to spend money on Reina as they have Valdes. That gives a year for Mignolet to work closely to Reina and the keeping coaches, improve throughout the year, getting his chance then come next year, Barca come back for Reina and Mignolet is all set to take over as number 1.
Jus my take on that situation.

Pepe is/was a Rafa man, it's no secret, he wanted Rafa to return after Kenny.
It didn't happen and the sulk that started under Hodgson continued and only improved towards the end of last season, when I think, Rodgers rightly gave him the green light to leave.
Mignolet will be Liverpool's No1 and we'll be better for it.

I agree and would think he was bought to replace Reina this season or next. I'm looking forward to seeing him play. Personally, I'd start with him as I think Reina could do with a little nudge to up his game again plus change is a good thing at times so we should see how he gets on. Pre-season and training would dictate it so it will be interesting to see how BR calls it for the first game. Roll on Pre-season, Bryan

Mignolet will be number 1. He's not a rookie. Reina will not be a back up when he's worth 9m and paid 110k a week.

Kidder

Reina's move to Barcelona was sorted out by Ayre in June, Pepe moves on 01 July 2014, why are we still talking about this .

All parties are happy with this arrangement . {Ed002's Note - There is no such agreement.}

Mignolet needs massive work on his kicking but he's a good keeper and a good signing. I still hope Reina will stay and I think the second half of last season he was massively improved so with proper competition I could see us very strong in goal this season. If he goes then fair enough best of luck to him and we have a vg replacement.

Clubs often have high earners on the bench so why not in the GK department. It's not ideal but it looks like Downing could be staying and he hasn't given hardly anything to us since signing where as Reina has been superb overall (1.5 of last 2yrs disappointing imo). This would not be a Joe Cole scenario if we ended up with Reina staying. Reina can teach Mignolet a bucket load, especially kicking and both of them can push each other on.

Kidmillions what absolute made up crap.

Your saying a good pro like Pepe is sulking and wants out because we never brought Rafa back?

Laughable tbh, this guy watched all our best players desert the ship.Masch, Alonso, Torres and could see that Lpool were in the rubbish, at his age he could have gone to other clubs just as easy but he stayed loyal, he adores this club.

Some fans like you don't half post tosh sometimes.

04 Jul 2013 23:48:55
Isn't it strange that the rumours and reports surrounding Suarez's potential move to Arsenal/Chelsea are coming from Spain? I don't trust any of them for one moment, nevertheless of 'betting pattern's, Suarez is a massive name and reports sell papers. its that simple. The players I want to see at Liverpool are those who show determination to fight for their place and give 100% in training not wantaway S***houses like Suarez. Have faith in the owners and Rodgers.
Icered

I'm not happy with the noise coming out of Suarez this summer either. However, read any behind the scenes interview with players or managers and you'll find that very very few players work as hard or harder than Suarez in training or on the field. Question his antics on and off the field, sure, but his commitment on the pitch and in training is 100% effort.

SpudRed

And the squad

So Suarez shows no determination on the pitch or give 100% in training or on the pitch, is that your opinion?

Maybe Suarez wants a new challenge elsewhere?

Maybe he wants to stay and Spanish media (And Madrid used them?) were courting him in the interviews you saw, where he was asked question about his future and the possibility of joining Madrid?

Maybe he's sick of walking on to the pitch every game to chants of "You know what you are, You know what you are!", the entire leagues fans have turned on him (Instead of it being just Utds fans; He didn't "racially abuse" Williams of Swansea or Defoe of Spurs, why are those fans chanting at him?)

Whatever his reasons you need to grow up, drop the hatred and realize players (Top players), move clubs all the time; why is it our fans tend to have a small section who get bitter about it?

You stood by him about everything else, now he may leave, you despise him.

He didn't ask to be quizzed by the media about Real Madrid!

I personally hope he stays and bangs another 20+ goals this season for us!

SR (StrabaneRed)

100% agree with SpudRed, cannot for a second question Suarez' effort. Maybe the rumours coming from Spain could be to try to get someone to make a move to sous out how much Liverpool would be willing to accept? That's only a guess though

04 Jul 2013 23:25:28
Just been looking at new third kit on the players training pics. Absolutely awful. Give Warrior the money back and go back to Adidas or try Nike; couldn't possibly be worse could it.
ND {Ed001's Note - it does look awful, but then so did the away kit in the pics and it doesn't look bad on. Or maybe I just look so bad it doesn't seem quite as bad in comparison?? Oh and I did notice the pattern hides stains well, which is useful as I seem to always spill food and drinks on myself the minute I wear a white top.}

Why do fans go on and on about away kits and 3rd kits?

FFS, I remember when the home kit had little white marks on it which looked like birdrubbish.

Does it REALLY matter? If it does, may I suggest you get out more?

The 3rd kit is not that bad. But the away kit my god, there is a reason why other clubs didn't bring back retro jerseys. Because they went out of style!

Ed001 them Staines are called dinner medals! :D I wear mine with pride!

RR!

Ed the away kit and third kit are equally as bad on.

I actually think the 3rd kit as a whole is quite nice. Having said that not sure why fans get so upset about what our kits look like. As long as warrior pay us more than anyone else I'm not bothered

04 Jul 2013 19:19:15
Hi ed001, I've noticed that you had a lot of time for Robbie fowler in his playing days, seeing as his best years came slightly before me I never really got the chance to see him play at his best. In his earlier years especially, just how good was this guy and what was expected of him at that stage? Also, do the likes of Sinclair, ibe yesil etc have anywhere near this level of potential in your opinion? Really looking forward to hearing your views :)
Aldo88 {Ed001's Note - not seen a player at his level other than Ronaldo, though they were totally different players, he just was that good. If Fowler had the pace, I mean over long bursts, that Ronaldo had, he would have been unstoppable. Over the first 5 yards, there was absolutely no one to touch him, his acceleration was incredible, but he didn't have blistering pace to go with it. When you talk about a guy who could do everything, God is right up there. On the ball, his touch was excellent, his vision and range of passing were outstanding, he could do a little piece of skill and a burst of acceleration to make space to pick a pass or shoot and his shooting was deadly. I have never known anyone who could make one on ones with the keeper, no matter how much time he had to think about what he was going to do, look so easy. Most players tend to dither if they get time, but he would just put it in the back of the net before the keeper had time to set himself. His free kicks were pinpoint, around the edge of the box, anything on the right edge of the penalty area was going to require saving, more often than not, or it was in the back of the net. What really set him apart was off the ball, he would use those little bursts of acceleration to get space anywhere on the pitch. For all he is probably not the brightest lad off the pitch, though far from an idiot like so many footballers, on the pitch his brain was pin sharp. To cap it all off, he worked hard too, he learnt off Rushie how to close down defenders and force errors. I know I am gushing, but Fowler was a special talent, without the injuries he could have been Liverpool's greatest ever player, imo. Broke my heart when Ged sold him, never been able to forgive Thommo his part in it either!}

Couldn't agree more, always will be my favourite player an absolute legend.

Agree with pretty much all that said.
Especially the last sentence.
Was made up when he re-signed.
What a player, what an attitude.
His nickname tells you all you need to know.
Hope he becomes a great coach with us one day soon!
Legend!

Tommo will never be forgiven for his part

If I had to pick a Liverpool youth I'd choose Hodzic. If any of the youths are even half as good as Fowler. We'd have Owen!

Ed001 is spot on, I think we're a similar age because God was my hero growing up. he was special. Lethal in front of goal, if only we had a decent defence and goalie we'd have won the league.
The knee injuries robbed him a bit of that acceleration. broke my heart when he left! Houllier just wouldn't play him and Owen together much.

Richards

He is quite bright, owns a lot of property, rich man

To the Op:
Youtube search for just two goals, one vs Villa, the other at Old Trafford.

'Nuff said!

Mrpjd

Spot on Ed. Just to add to that. A vast number of his shots ended up in the side netting- impossible for the keeper to get to. And it happened too many times for it to be anything other than genius. All types of goals as well. I've never seen a finisher like him in 30 yrs of watching football. The stories I here from training at that time was that if you weren't on Fowler's team in 5 a side, you were 3 or 4 down before you knew where you were. Turn, shot, bottom corner. Shame that injuries and politics robbed him of a certain place at the top of the hall of fame IMO. Still my fav ever player.