Liverpool Banter Archive June 05 2017

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05 Jun 2017 23:31:39
Ive never been a fan of VVD even when he was at Celtic and my brother was raving about him but if the deal is confirmed like i expect (i trust in macca as usual) he will be 110% support from me like every Liverpool player, dam i even put up with paul ince. Now i think at the prices been thrown around its overpriced, I must say im old school i think no player is worth 1 million, overpaid popinjays who complain if they gave to work an extra day (3 matches in one week) but in reality if he helps shore up our defence which leads to success he will be worth every penny if not more, we leak too many silly goals and just as an add on my brother says he was one of the leaders at Celtic and leadership on the pitch is something we also need badly. So as I trust in macca let the crazy summer continue and WHOS NEXT.

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06 Jun 2017 00:03:57
At the end of the day vvd imo is better than what we have got. I think him in the box for set pieces will help significantly. He's 25 he has all the physical attributes you need to be a world class cb and klopp obviously backs himself to help him get to that level. We've got that extra tv money why not spend it on someone that could be great. Him and salah are great buys imo and we're looking scary to everyone else. We must get a quality lb in and then I will be massively content with our incomings this season.

05 Jun 2017 23:22:28
Evening eds

Do you expect Solanke to be in the first team squad next season pushing Origi Firmino and Sturridge for game time?

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{Ed002's Note - He would be a very expensive reserve if he were not. But he can be included in the U23 squad and still play for the first team.}

05 Jun 2017 21:54:21
Ed002, I see many mentioning the TV money deal. Quick question.

Is the whole some paid over at once?

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{Ed002's Note - No, some of it released to the clubs earlier mand some at the end of the season.}

05 Jun 2017 21:57:21
The figure for VVD hasn't really come out yet. We know it will high, nice we are our competing for transfers but strange we eerent really looking at him. Reminds me a bit of the Rio from leeds to manu deal. Everybody thought the price was absurd but he served the club well for a long time.
Once again i just wish we wouldn't be so cheap on our LB.
The hernandes kid from A Madrid was getting mentioned loads before. now is off the radar. Wheres the interest in him Eds.

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05 Jun 2017 22:26:56
Vvd price 44 millliom plus add ons on sports news don't know if its right.

05 Jun 2017 22:27:55
He's off to Real Madrid isn't he?

05 Jun 2017 23:21:28
yeah theo henandez agreed a move to real madrid same time as the brazilian 16 year old.

05 Jun 2017 23:23:05
I still think sakho And cash should be the first offer we make.

05 Jun 2017 21:13:13
Come on! what's wrong with people? Why are so many on here whining about prices? Everyone else spends big money and we moan we're in the bargain basement, shop in the top shop and whine we're overspending? Seriously? Its not our money and after last seasons profit im saying we can probably afford it, VVD was essily the best defender in the league last season before his injury, every club wanted him and yet here are people telling us what he's worth, let me tell you if pogbas worth nearly a 100 million then VVD is easily worth 60, and let's not play the 'well we have Gomez and Lovren' card, they are not in this lads class.
Anyone would think we don't want to win the Champions league again, and let me tell you we aren't in there to get past the group stage we're there to win it or what's the point.
Chill out fellas its all good stuff!
YNWA.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you richie..

05 Jun 2017 21:33:30
But are you still in bargain basement and just paying top prices.

Point is is vvd that much better thab a defender who would cost 25/ 30.

There are loads out there. We are paying a rediculous premium on a good player but end of the day he's a southampton defender who we trully only ever see twice and on MOTD. And he is like prime time for motd. Overall though when selecting a defender having to then teach him how to defend is not what 60 mil shouls buy.

I guarentee we could offer 60 million for most top cbs and probably get them.

200k a week. We could tempt them.

The problem is the lack of respect for defending. Its an art. As mucb as being good in front of goal.

How many times do you say we can teach them that. it doesn't happen.

The fowlers, kanes and ronaldos. That finish is unteachable. or wait for it. everyone would have the worlds best striker.

Sane as defending. moreno prime example you just cannot teach it.

You can make any set of defenders a solid unit, with dedicated coaching. Pulis and sam do it.

I worry that the same as brendan did with lovren, is think throwing a top defender will fix the problem.

Do you not wonder why we keep buying southampton defenders and they lose them and still defend better than us?

Another issue is he (i don't know bgw) vocal? Because noone else in the back 4 is. If he isn't a leader then who does the coaching on the pitch. pulling the line up, shouting at people to get back into position. Because that's what we need and haven't had since carra.

Im all for vvd but still won't hide my worries, that its for me far too big a risk. He is not the finished article.

Oh and lastly just for a second. What if bayern come for klopp next year, whose going to teach this player to defend? that's where all your faith is afterall.

05 Jun 2017 21:35:29
Last seasons profit when the club made a £20m plus loss?

Some are living the short memories of H and G when the club was riddled with debt.

Don't worry though, FSG's bank account to the rescue = more debt for Liverpool.

I am excited about this window though. If Liverpool are all in then we might as well do a good job of it. Spend big now, more than what we ever have worry about the rest later. That is the honest truth.

05 Jun 2017 21:25:50
Yep. Can't disagree.

05 Jun 2017 21:27:25
Agreed mate. There's no pleasing some people.

05 Jun 2017 21:46:34
Sorry Supermane, you couldn't be more wrong.

In my view, the fact we are competing with Chelsea and Man City proves this is a player in demand by top clubs.

He will improve a problem area we have had (i. e. leaking goals) and that, in my book, is all that matters.

05 Jun 2017 21:51:46
Think your spot on there Richie.

05 Jun 2017 21:40:45
I cannot believe people were satisfied with Lovren and Klavan for the coming season. Lovren single handedly dragged us out of top 4 luckily Coutinho and Danny had other plans! Can you imagine Klavan vs Ronaldo? Lol.

05 Jun 2017 22:00:55
Cheers 025 buddy, I really don't get it, how can these fifa addicts be so concerned with prices? And who are these 20-30 million pound cb's we could get? Have you seen the average price of players now?
I'll guarantee you this for an absolute fact, if we signed one of these so called 20-30 million pound cb's say Keane or Gibson or anyone else relegated and not good enough for champions league football and someone say like City signed VVD for 60 mill we'd be hearing on here all about the fact we'd been buying our 2nd and 3rd choices and why couldn't we compete for VVD, its stupid getting, some claim to support and want us up there with the money men and then moan when we do buy quality.
Unbelievable, tell me who these top drawer 20-30 million pound centre backs are then as in todays market migs would cost you that and so would Emre Can, who are these world beaters that every top 4 side are obviously missing out on? John Stones 50 million, i'll leave that there.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right richie..

05 Jun 2017 22:04:21
Zed sure you want to stick with citt as your quality measure?

Sterling, stones, otamendi, mangala

150 mil rigjt there. 3 cbs?

Theyre not very good at judging them are they.

05 Jun 2017 22:10:37
Let the owners deal with the money, we just do the other important bit and support the player!

05 Jun 2017 22:18:21
Thea two teams that finished 1st and 2nd in the league were chasing him, allegedly, and we've (hopefully) got him.

I don't give two hoots about the money as its crazy these days period, what I care is that we have improved our team and also avoided our direct competition improving theirs.

05 Jun 2017 22:18:44
Sorry, I know Citeh finished 3rd! Keep forgetting about Spuds!

05 Jun 2017 22:51:15
Supermane I get the concern, have the same feelings with Salah if I am really honest. But in football you can't live life thinking what if all the time. Of course he could fail but every player might not settle at a club. We could of gone all out on lb and get mendy and then he not settle in the prem. Then all of us fans would be saying we should of bought VVD and stuck with milner.

Nothing gets done thinking like that. The fact is VVD has been one of the better CBs for the last few seasons. Our defence has been one of the worst. So signing him has to be a good call at the moment. Sure it won't fix the situation but I'd of liked to have VVD rather than Lucas playing against Leicester last season. If we can keep three strong CBs there is expensive but good depth. And if we get a CB pairing that works for 5/ 6 years it starts to look cheap.

05 Jun 2017 23:01:11
Preaching to the converted richie my friend. Put it thus way, city paid £50m for stones last season. Going by that deal vvd is a steal at the same price. Its the market value even for half decent players so better get used to it.

I know he has deficiencies, but who bloody doesn't and why are people so hung up on money that don't belong to them. Aside from varane who else could come in who is a major improvement on vvd.

06 Jun 2017 00:09:42
completely agree with Ritchie. If we're proven wrong and so is klopp then have a go about if he's worth it but for now have faith.

06 Jun 2017 02:48:23
trying to evaluate the worth of a player and comparing his ability to other players based on their market value is just plain STUPID.

we can debate about club's spending power and ability to pay top dollar for the world's best stars. But I just don't understand why it is so important for some of you to compare transfer fees and form complex algorithms so as to ascertain the true value of a transfer compared to other players. I mean c'mon. 50mil for Stones should have had ya scratching ya head hard enough to convince ya to just give up on trying to figure out how it all works!

06 Jun 2017 04:06:03
there are plenty cb's out there for 25m, the issue is they area higher risk than VVD. If we want to strengthen I think we're better going for a top drawer defender than taking a 25mil defender that might get to that level. we've probably done too much of the latter in recent years which has shown in our ' hits and misses' in the transfer market.

06 Jun 2017 08:56:14
We aren't city and can't fix this next year. So if this is 60 mil down the toilet it will hurt us.

06 Jun 2017 09:07:34
Ahhh faith are you upset about us trying to buy vvd. Point is a player is worth whatever a team is willing to pay for him simple as. Whether you liked my comparison or not it highlights that cost has nothing to do with the players ability but their percieved added value that player may or may not bring to a team. I believe vvd would add stability and strength to our back line, how much is that worth to us?

Personally i would be happy for the club to pay £50m to not be embarrassed in the champions league like we were a few seasons ago or totally fall apart in another european final.

06 Jun 2017 22:26:58
Yeah because we also spent our rivals budget aswel. Oh no tbeu will still sign players.

There are better defenders out thete for much less. Its not the going rate.

Also pogbas fee was just his skill. It was his entire image. Millioms of follows online, addidas poster boy, his own freekin emojis. So there was huhe oayback on the investment. For us if he doesn't work out its pretty much loss all over the park or god forbit klopp pulls a sakho and just wants rid of him.

07 Jun 2017 15:25:55
But he can't defend. .

What are you not understanding.

He is a huge 60 mil risk. hinged on the hope that klopp can teach him how to defend, like he did eith all our other defenders, esecially moreno.

Gibson can defend, is vocal, the opposite to matip, which is important. he would cost half the amount and can already defend. He also has ed001s approval. he's a carra type, rather than a modern passing type. Although he can do both.

Maybe if we signed him we could get mebdy aswel, and be 100% better off than just vvd and robertson.

You all just want a shiny new toy and be able to say we beat city for him, they let us have him because if theu wanted him we wouldn't be in with a shout.

05 Jun 2017 21:06:25
If we confirm VVD then that imo is an absolutely great signing. Big, tall, very quick, great in the air and on the ball. Best cb signing in years. I think will be a huge success. Will change our defence look and how opposition view our defence.

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05 Jun 2017 21:27:26
I can't see that there is any negatives? He's a collosus and lightning quick to boot, he's good on the ball and physically strong.

05 Jun 2017 21:01:55
It's nice to hear about these so called "done deals" however, if they go through and the likes of VVD and Salah sign the relevant paperwork, then for me the only way we could possibly be looking at a good transfer window is to also hold on to the current group of players too.

Keeping Phillipe C, Sadio M, Adam L, Emre C, Roberto F, Dejan L, James M, Nathaniel C, Daniel S, Simon M, Joel M, Jordan H, Divock O. etc and also keeping them fit has to be a priority! With the additional games we will be involved in and the added success we need to be competing for now, the squad has to consist of quality but also the LFC mentality Jurgen Klopp has tried sow in the minds of our current first team. The guys will need to re-in force to the new guys that hard work, passion and the will to win is the Lfc way or they needn't bother signing anything!

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05 Jun 2017 21:21:40
Tilly you could have just said "Keeping Couthino etc" we all know who they are :D.

05 Jun 2017 20:48:01
Hi ed002 I know we have overpaid but most of us are feeling like it is a step in the right direction. Only time will tell if its money well spent.

If we get VVD and SAlah will it be sell to buy time?
I think it should be.

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{Ed002's Note - Players will be leaving Mark - the size of the squad has restrictions.}

05 Jun 2017 21:32:15
I hope we can sell as well as last year and bring in £80m to £100m. Hoping to get 2 more quality signings.

05 Jun 2017 23:08:51
Sakho will bring upwards of £20m, if these lacazette rumours are true may even be looking to sell sturridge for in excess of £30m. Lucas will probably move on for a nominal fee, moreno if anyone will take him for £8-10m. Can see one of klavan, gomez or lovren move on if vvd is signed too. So yeah it will be an interesting window indeed. Hopefully we can sort out can's contract as he will be crucial.

05 Jun 2017 20:37:04
Look, Klopp obviously has his own ideas but it it is quite concerning what we will be forking out for VVD per week and probably still be stuck with Milner at LB and Clyne ar RB for next season.

I am just hoping that if the club is hell bent on spending obscene amounts of money in this window that they go the extra mile to at least add two new proper fullbacks. It will be extremely disappointing if we don't.

Fingers crossed.

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05 Jun 2017 21:02:10
I get your concern, Max, but why don't we wait for a few weeks?

I reckon we will buy a LB and use Milner at RB whilst developing TAA.

Add a LB (Mendy, please god, or Bertrand) and a CM (Keita? ) and I would be very happy.

VVD, Salah, Mendy all into first team and most likely a CM too. 4 out of 11 starting places significantly upgraded would be an excellent window, imho.

05 Jun 2017 21:13:12
Sorry Max I disagree. We cannot nor should we not try to solve all our issues in one window. You can only buy what quality is available. VVD although I do agree wasn't a priority but he has apparently should a great eagerness to play for us, that should be applauded no matter his price tag. A couple more signings hopefully only. Salah probably one of them and I'm hoping for Naby Keita, I know LB is a priority but it looks like we let Mendy get away so I would grab Keita before someone else does, the guy is quality. You never know with outgoings we may find we have funds for a LB but do we want to bleed four new starters? Personally with the number of games we will have I think there will be plenty of chances to do it without having to do it all together.

05 Jun 2017 21:43:10
The problem we are facing is coz we did not reinforce last summer especially LB. should have brought CB and LB last summer!

05 Jun 2017 23:11:36
Bertrand for me would be fantastic, but for some reason lfc has a blind spot when it come to him.

05 Jun 2017 23:38:36
Bertand would be the best addition at LB if we can't get sessegnon.

05 Jun 2017 23:41:05
While I'm not really excited about VVD, I can see the allure.
The primary thing should be bringing in a left back though. That's the area where I would spend an obscene amount on a good player.

05 Jun 2017 20:34:38
So, if we believe reports, and Macca, who is always reliable source, (I don't think i've ever seen him be wrong) then we are on the verge of signing VVD and Salah, for me it would be a real signal of intent, especially getting VVD, who is choosing us over City and the current champions in Chelsea, it would be a real real coup for us. I really admire him as a player, he is a good all round CB, and someone we badly need. Is he overpriced? ofcourse, he will be the most expensive defender in history. But for me isn't too much for the money, this guy will instantly improve our defence, plus we need to give our annual fund to the Saints charity fund. He is desperate to be apart of this club and play for Klopp which is most important.

As for Salah, I was desperate to sign him when BR wanted him, it didn't work out for him with Chelsea, but he seems to have a point to prove, and the guy is still only 24, I thought he was at least 28, he seems to be around for years. He will improve our attack and give more options. Exciting times ahead for the club, with the investment made here this summer, could determine us for the next couple of seasons, we need to get it right this summer.

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05 Jun 2017 20:40:52
The more alarming thing is that Coutinho is the same age as Salah, only a few days between them! Keeping a hold of Coutinho will add to the potential success of this transfer window.

05 Jun 2017 20:53:21
You haven't came here often if you've never seen him be wrong. He said we were about to be taken over 12 months ago, along with signing Walcott and Gotze. He has been wrong and he has been right. I'm a skeptic always have been always will be. A lot of his info seems to come just after there's a load of media reporting the same thing. Where was he a month ago mentioning our original targets?

05 Jun 2017 21:25:02
Perhaps make him do a lie detector test Jezza? I reckon he'd get a Full house?

Seriously though Jezza, we are lucky to have Macca. Ed001 knows who he is and he wouldn't entertain the guy if he was a fraud. Ed001 is cold as ice. I once watched him volley a Mallard by the river because it 'looked at him funny'.

05 Jun 2017 22:05:46
Nah I'm not saying he's lying he's just been blatantly wrong before even tho he's been adamant he's right. I'm glad he posts. I'm glad the eds post even more so. Everyone speaks of his track record I've been on here since the days when he had his own page and I've not got a tally going but I'd say it's 60/ 40 to him for right and wrong by people like to gloss over his wrongs just because they wanna crawl up abit? I like his posts I put more credibility to his posts than all of the regulars apart from the eds but still he has been wrong plenty of times as well as right plenty of times.

05 Jun 2017 20:34:11
as others have said, if i take anything from the vvd signing is that we managed to compete against the likes of city and come out on top! now let's hope we can do the same with mendy ;) welcome VVD.

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05 Jun 2017 20:26:23
Evening Eds and Macca,

Any news on the Ox coming? DMirror reports he is going to sign a new deal with the gunners, or is that Arsenal putting it out there to force his hand?

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{Ed002's Note - As I have explained - it makes zero sense to me.}

05 Jun 2017 20:14:42
All I care about is Liverpool getting stronger as a club. The right players in the right positions have to come in, not the best players in the world. The players linked so far I feel will be an improvement regardless of the prices being "quoted" (who am I to care about money that isn't mine as long as there is financial stability at the club) . From there it is up to Klopp to get the best out of the team to challenge for titles. Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

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05 Jun 2017 20:12:11
There are no Liverpool players in the England squad for the U21 Euros.
Surely, we should do be doing better?

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05 Jun 2017 20:27:10
Got players at U20 World Cup. Bigger tournament and younger talent. Been watching it in the mornings it's been really good.

05 Jun 2017 20:31:32
Chill. Ojo, ejaria and solanke (if you want to count him) are all with the U20's.

05 Jun 2017 21:16:53
Brewster too?

05 Jun 2017 22:39:40
Solanke has had a few good games. Ejaria wasn't great today when he came on but did well in the last game I saw him in.

06 Jun 2017 01:14:46
Crikey, best go out and sign some young potential this summer then if we don't have anyone in the u21s.

05 Jun 2017 19:53:10
You're probably more than aware Eds that several media outlets are claiming that we are likely to get VVD, as we are his preferred destination. Do you believe this to be the case? He's ridiculously over priced (as I know you've alluded too) but nevertheless feels like a coup.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what his preference is.}

05 Jun 2017 19:30:20
Klavan
Moreno
Wisdom
Sakho
Flanagan
Stewart
Lucas
Ojo
Markovic

All likely to leave in my opinion. Nothing but squad players, but do you expect their places to be filled by up and coming youth players, Ed?
Trent, Kent, Woodburn, Wilson, Brannagan, Grugic all waiting for a chance to have a good run in the team this season.

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{Ed002's Note - No. Liverpool has made no effort to sell Klaven. Sakho hasn't played for the club for more than a year, nor has Markovic, Flanagan nor most of the others - so they won't be replaced.}

05 Jun 2017 21:11:21
I would say likely departures will include.

Flannagan.
Sahko.
Wisdom. (Who I didn't even remember we still had) .
Markovic.
Stewart.
Moreno.
Lucas.

05 Jun 2017 19:23:11
If we sign VVD and Salah and a first choice LB, I'd be a happy man come September.
The only reason we should be looking at other big name players (Keita, Lacazette, Ox etc) is if we move on some players of our own.
I can't see where a CM would fit in with Hendo, Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana and Coutinho fighting for the 3 midfield positions. That's excluding fringe players such as Lucas and Grugic.
No need to buy a top class forward when we have Sturridge and Firmino fighting for a single spot in the middle with Origi, Ings and Solanke back ups.
One first choice LB (Mendy, Gaya, Bertrand) on top of Salah and VVD and we'll have a much better team than last season.

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05 Jun 2017 19:00:15
Im honestly very surprised about all the excitement for van dijk. Clyne and Lovren were also great performers at Southampton without being able to replicate it, surely you can see that it's the big difference in the way both our teams play. Lovren particularly was one of the best in the league in his debut season for them. I like van dijk I really do, but how can so few of you be skeptical about this. I truly pray it won't end in tears but I can't help but think it will. Would be very interested to hear all your thoughts.

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{Ed025's Note - heres my thoughts beef...liverpool have just broke their transfer record and bought one of the best center halves in europe so how about celebrating instead of moaning mate..

05 Jun 2017 19:17:40
Exactly Ed025, this page is unique. I am on cloud 15 now,

05 Jun 2017 19:20:56
So negative, personally I'm absolutely delighted as I'm sure the majority of fans are. Fans moan that we don't sign quality and then moan when we do, you can't win.

{Ed025's Note - tell me about it HX..

05 Jun 2017 19:27:54
Man U fan on peace. If rumours are true I think you have brought a quality addition in VVD. Was hoping he would come to us. Assured on the ball, strong and good Inthe air. Real leader at the back.
'Through gritted teeth'. Well done.

05 Jun 2017 11:13:54
Hi Ed's

There are no CBs on the Sharkopod's post.
So, what are the VVD alternatives?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Joe Gomez?}

05 Jun 2017 09:16:51
Question for Ed002 if possible. Not Liverpool related but I still hear a lot of talk about Lukaku possibly returning to Chelsea, am I right in saying that there was an "issue" with the player and the club which contributed to his departure, is this still a problem for the club or is it something they can look past?
Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - You are on the wrong page Chris, but yes it is an issue for a couple of people and efforts are continuing to be made to resolve it.}

05 Jun 2017 08:09:58
Hey eds a quick quest. now that we are after Salah and have him nearly signed, did we ever looked at D. Costa? he is known for playing on the left, brasilian. or are there bigger issues with him like he is having at Munich right now.

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{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool has not shown an interest.}

05 Jun 2017 18:58:55
Hi Ed's,
Just wondering is there any plan for the young Brazilian lad Allan?

Thanks for all the great info so far.

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{Ed001's Note - if he could get a work permit there would be, but that is the issue and he has to be found a place to play.}

05 Jun 2017 16:15:35
Hey Eds. Looks like Salah will be heading our way. My concern is I've read he has a bad attitude and has caused a lot of problems at his previous clubs, Any truth in that?

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{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of, no idea where that has come from.}

05 Jun 2017 19:30:14
They said Mane and Sturridge, but that didn't turn out correct.

07 Jun 2017 00:18:39
Thanks for the reply. I'm sure Klipperty wouldn't take any crap off the players anyway. Personally I would have preferred Douglas Costa but still a decent signing once it happens.

05 Jun 2017 18:35:31
Can I just make a shout out to ed025, really livened up the page, seem like a genuine guy! no disrespect to the other eds, you're still loved!

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05 Jun 2017 18:50:00
Van dijk is a thirty million pound defender. 60 million is close to what we sold suarez for in sterling!
. Why are few outraged over the price? He's costing that because of demand. Other wealthy clubs interested and a lack of top quality central defenders in world football. Southampton are robbing us but they're doing great business.
200k as well for a central defender? Clubs top earner? Deeply uncomfortable with it all.
I see many fans are delighted that we're forking out the cash on social media.
I'll be delighted the day ticket prices are vastly reduced.

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05 Jun 2017 18:59:57
60 million when Suarez went is today's 80-90 million. Van Dijk is a very good player as he will take us up a level. So often we have spent 10 million on several players who are mediocre and/ or are 'ones for the future. Would you rather we just went back to that method or would you rather we buy genuinely good players who will improve the team or players that will just make up the numbers?

05 Jun 2017 19:06:04
because klopp obvs agrees with it and we trust his judgement over yours, and why do you think you can value a player?

I don't get why you are outraged that the club is willing to back our manager, seems moronic, would you rather they cleared it with you first?

05 Jun 2017 19:27:22
The game has changed Big Al. Money has taken over. No point fighting it, will happen whether we like it or not.

The agents are loving life this summer.

05 Jun 2017 19:31:08
If next may we have won the title, then the ends will justify the means.

05 Jun 2017 20:12:58
Transfer fees are meaningless when judging players.

The club needs to show likes of Coutinho that we're serious about competing otherwise he will get itchy feet.

I think he will improve us so no complaints here. 😎.

05 Jun 2017 18:40:32
Hey square tomato any news on Gomez and his future at the club?

Also Eds or anyone would it be possible Klopp could switch to a back three now? That could solve our full back problems when you consider Chelsea have been playing Moses wing back. Perhaps that is where the Ox may fit in? Or 2+2=5 and I'm just being silly.

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05 Jun 2017 17:34:21
Ed001 now that we have signed VVD your thoughts on everything about him his fees and all? I will support him fully but I'm scared too because of how lovren turned out. but I think we should get some discount as seasonal buyers.

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{Ed001's Note - I have given my thoughts on him over and over mate, now I would just like to see how he gets on under Klopp.}

05 Jun 2017 17:56:35
Looks like we've got Mo Salah and Virgil Van Dijk. Absolutely delighted, long time since Liverpool have rivalled the likes of City and Chelsea for a big transfer target and come out on top, Van Dijk is a huge signing. Ryan Sessengon looks like he's staying in London unfortunately but still what a great start to the transfer market for the Reds.

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05 Jun 2017 18:35:39
Bring on the bloody competent right and left fullbacks now!

05 Jun 2017 18:34:19
Did i miss something or is this post for real? Has the window opened as yet and with the crazy money clubs are willing to spend I'm not so sure the deals have gone thru as yet but remain hopeful brah. Other clubs will look to pick off the targets we have and will offer lots more in wages so just keep calm till you are sure.

05 Jun 2017 17:40:20
Where's Ed007?

I bet Celtic are looking forward to £5-£6m when the VVD deal goes through!

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{Ed007's Note - Not half mate, especially if we use it to buy Paddy Roberts.}

05 Jun 2017 18:42:36
Hope you do buy Patrick Roberts ed007. City are wasting his talents.

{Ed007's Note - Roberts is a brilliant wee player and will only get better and more valuable. He was never going to get a sniff at City with the money they have and their signing policy. The fact he loved it up here playing for the Club and support and his bromance with Tierney should be enough to convince him to make the move permanent. I think it'll come down to how much City want for him but we have built a good relationship with them - our CEO's son is City's CFG Scouting and Recruitment Manager, no idea what CFG means though lol - so hopefully they won't put an EPL price on him.}

05 Jun 2017 17:13:43
If these two signings (salah and VVD) do come off it's the first time for a long time that we have gone up against the likes of Chelsea and City and actually came out on top when signing a player. Why is that? Is it because Ayre isn't handling negotiations? Is it the Klopp factor? Is it that we can just afford more now with the TV money? Just curious as I was sure VVD would end up elsewhere! (and he still might)

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05 Jun 2017 17:37:23
Klopp, CL and we also look like a side that's stable, playing good football and has the ability to get even better.

If we get even just 3 top players in at LW, CB and LB (looking likely for at least 2 of those) and hopefully Sturridge stays fit, we will be very tough to beat next year.

Feels like we have the momentum at the moment. Hopefully we have a great season next up and we keep moving forward.

05 Jun 2017 17:43:21
Beating them to VVD certainly shows intent, that we can compete with the big boys, that we are looking to go one step forward forward and not sell our best players and move one step back.

05 Jun 2017 17:47:04
CL football plays a huge part in it.

05 Jun 2017 17:51:19
Coz we believe we will manage our books accordingly. FSG would like to give it one more go at the title, hence all the backing to Klopp.

05 Jun 2017 17:53:40
Better to sign one or two for that price rather than 10.

Said it for years how can you commit 60 mil on a ton of plahers but can't work jt for one. Shows you can.

05 Jun 2017 18:05:23
Apparently Klopp has been a big part of negotiations and in contact with vvd and his representatives.

05 Jun 2017 18:34:31
Because we're massively over paying and the player wants to come.
Van dijk is a great improvement on lovren. 60 million and 200k wages if true is disgraceful for a central defender. However football has gone in a direction that Is madness.

05 Jun 2017 19:07:56
Liverpool won't be Paying anyone 200 k anytime soon!

05 Jun 2017 19:13:39
If he wanted 200k he would be off to city.

Think he knows if he plays his cards right, its madrid next. they'll need a new cb in about 4 years.

He wants to play for klopp thenim goibg for 135/ 50k

Nice signing on fee though.

05 Jun 2017 20:52:51
In reply to the OP, this is the imaginary conversation that took place and resulted in VVD, Salah and others being pursued and signed:

FSG (Werner) : Congratulations Jurgen. Job well done. We're so happy you're with us. But you know something, don't you? We finished fourth, and that's great, but I hope next year we'll aim a bit higher? Maybe win the League? I want to see it in my lifetime, and not for my grandkids to see it. We've spent enough money for it so far, you know.

Klopp: Thank you, thank you. There is nothing special that happened. The boys worked hard all season long. We had injuries in January. February we were recovering from injuries, and we went back on track in March. Of course, if I had more players of good quality then maybe things could have been different. We had the weakest team in the top 6, but we finished fourth. Look at how much Mourinho spent and we still finished above them. And if Phil had not gotten injured and Sadio had not gone to Africa, we could have finished above Guardiola also.

FSG: Okay Jurgen. Tell me what you need. Tell me what you need to win the League and make it at least to the semis in the UCL?

Klopp: I need better defenders, I want to strengthen the midfield and I need a striker to bang in the goals, Daniel is not dependable to be ready to play every game. I hear VVD wants to join us. And Keita is the perfect player for us.

FSG: VVD? 70 Million? Are you crazy? OMG. This is Comolli and Andy Carroll happening all over again! Jurgen you're not smoking funny stuff are you?

Klopp: No. Actually I'm very confident. We have a great group of players. We are just missing 3 or 4 really good players and the young players are developing nicely. It's just in this moment, I feel that if you want to win the EPL title and the UCL, you have to be ready to spend like the others.

FSG: Okay Jurgen. We'll give you what you want. I hope you know what you're doing.

Klopp: Thank you. In this moment, I am very confident. Liverpool deserves to be winning titles. I am confident we can do it.

{Ed025's Note - i enjoyed that ra..

05 Jun 2017 16:48:28
Ed025 this one goes out to you babes. What are your thoughts on potential new Liverpool CB Virgil Van Dijk? let's say Everton were in pole position to sign him, would you be happy?

Red Sandman.

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{Ed025's Note - over the moon to be honest sandman, some on here are going on about his weaknesses but if you look at his strengths he is quality, good in the air, tackles well, comfortable on the ball and gets the odd goal, whats not to like mate?..

05 Jun 2017 17:42:46
Babes? 😂.

{Ed025's Note - never underestimate bromance harry.. :)

05 Jun 2017 17:44:36
Every time I've watched him he was terrific and easily put the opposition attackers in place including our own. Looking forward to having him around.

05 Jun 2017 17:45:04
Only thing not to like is the ponytail ed. have a word with him.

{Ed025's Note - yeah it is a bit girlie FMS, if he was one of my mates we would get him bladdered and cut it off when he fell asleep.. :)

05 Jun 2017 17:52:50
He is an excellent player and will go on to become the best in the league by some miles. Watch out this space. He is power, pace and dominant CB. His hall plying ability is top notch.

05 Jun 2017 18:06:11
He is michaelangelos david in athletic/ technical terms.

But spongebob in attitude.

If klopp can get it screwed on then your talking world eleven cb for me like.

All im critical of is taking a 60mil pound risk. Because what's needwd isn't as easy as it sounds.

2 in recent memory.

Luiz and moreno.

One clicked the other well.

05 Jun 2017 19:21:03
No point getting caught up on the transfer sums. More than likely in his first game he will score an OG and everyone will be like what a waste of money. Clubs can't win now a days with transfers.

Either they spend too much and we are critical or we don't sign a "top player" and we won't give the guy a chance.

60mill is a lot but the cost of players is only going to increase year on year. It's the state of the game now. We need to spend to try win something otherwise we will end up falling further behind. End of the day top players want more than CL they want to win something.

At the moment it seems klopp is selling that it could happen well. Ed002 has said FSG aim is to win the title seems they are spending when the player wants to join. Only time will tell if klopp can win a few trophies for us.

05 Jun 2017 19:43:10
If we sign vvd.

Anything less than a trophy is sheer failure. that's the pressure now.

No scrapping fourth. We have to be title or just off and the fa cup or Carling cup and champions league qf.

05 Jun 2017 16:44:23
Non LFC related but RIP Cheick Tiote : (.

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05 Jun 2017 16:55:40
It's no age to die. Rest in peace sir.

05 Jun 2017 17:01:03
I know! What a shock that is he was only 30! Devastating news, thoughts with his family and friends. Just goes to show you never know what's around the corner. Rest in peace Cheick Tiote.

05 Jun 2017 17:02:48
Oh no. What happened? May the Lord keep him and his family in this difficult time.

05 Jun 2017 17:31:48
Rest in peace way to soon real shame . always looked like he gave his all from whenever I seen him play. 👊.

05 Jun 2017 17:36:01
Rest in peace, Cheick. Very very sad news, sad day for football. Will never forget his belter against arsenal to tie it up at 4-4.

05 Jun 2017 17:49:03
Rip I always liked him as a player always gave 100%.

05 Jun 2017 18:51:29
Shocked about this sad news, RIP and my thoughts are with the family. Agreed ScouserRob - good memories.

05 Jun 2017 16:23:59
I have been supporting LFC nearly 40 years and in my experience, we shouldn't celebrate or welcome in any new faces until they are signed and sealed.

We also need to calm down and allow the Eds to get all the relevant information to pass on first before we all start making our own assumptions as to what LFC are doing and planning on doing.

I have my own wish list in terms of players coming in and indeed those going the other way, but I am also a realist in this crazy market place as to what actually can and will happen. Money talks now, loyalty and the want to play unfortunately, usually comes second or even third etc.

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{Ed025's Note - very sensible tilly mate..

05 Jun 2017 16:35:20
Dammit, I've already ordered my VVD top!

He's taking No 4, BTW ;)

05 Jun 2017 16:25:07
Just wondering,

Do all the Eds know who Macca is, and what he does? If so, does his position make him very trustworthy, of course I know his brilliant track record, but was just interested?
Thanks
klopphug.

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{Ed001's Note - if you know his track record why do you need to ask about his position? Yes I do know who he is.}

05 Jun 2017 16:41:19
He's Macca.

05 Jun 2017 17:51:41
Its either steve mcmanaman or McAllister.

{Ed025's Note - no cigar im afraid mate..

05 Jun 2017 18:21:14
I wanted to know the same thing. since I'm new here. please explain eds.

{Ed025's Note - its not happening..

05 Jun 2017 16:35:26
Without asking who he is, would we, as simple supporters, know him if you were to say his name?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

05 Jun 2017 16:44:46
Because I was interested ed, but don't worry.

05 Jun 2017 18:34:14
Reliable is his middle name so all we need is his first name!

05 Jun 2017 19:02:09
It's Jason McAteer or Steve McMahon.

05 Jun 2017 16:09:36
Question to Ed001 if you're free to answer. You mentioned a couple of days ago that we are still interested in Ricardo Pereira but said that it was up in the air at the moment because of Vin Dijk. I was wondering if that means we will press ahead with Pereira once Van Dijk is sorted or if it means we are waiting to see if the finances are available for Pereira once Van Dijk is done? Thank you for your time.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not as simple as that, mate.}

05 Jun 2017 16:49:54
Cheers Ed. I should have known, it was just wishful thinking on my part hoping it was that simple!

05 Jun 2017 15:54:06
Hey guys,

Regarding Salah and his pace, does anyone know if he has the technique and intelligence to play more central if he starts to slow down in the next few years (hopefully later and not sooner)?

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05 Jun 2017 16:03:00
He is only 25 years old. Give it a rest mate. We don't have to worry about Salah losing his pace at least for the next 5 years.

05 Jun 2017 15:59:35
He's only 24, I think. let's see how he does over the next 3-4 years and go from there.

In this day and age, as Ed002 puts it, players are just trasitory employees.

05 Jun 2017 16:39:18
Adam, Salah can play anywhere behind the striker but mostly plays from the right at Roma but was playing on the left at Basel so he is quite versatile. He'll be fine, my friend.

05 Jun 2017 18:40:02
Very intelligent with both movement and use of ball.

05 Jun 2017 15:28:04
Not posted for a while but wanting to know about Fulham LB sessignon (spelling) Aware Fulham still resent us and do not want to deal with us over 'Dempsey gate'. i have read he is a liverpool fan and is 17 soon and can sign a professional contact then. If that is the case why can he not sign for us? Is he still 'owned' by Fulham? And or influence decision on where he goes if he does.

Red deano YNWA JFT96.

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05 Jun 2017 15:35:18
Apparently Spurs have jumped ahead of us and offered him a chance at first-team football whereas we were only willing to offer cup games and U23 appearances.

05 Jun 2017 15:41:11
Thanks for the reply Z

Red deano YNWA JFT96.

05 Jun 2017 15:27:49
After all this talk of a left winger, What are peoples thoughts on Albert reina (spelling)? the spanish left winger benitez bought.

i felt a class wide man was the only thing missing from that team could of/ should won the league with a quality winger.

but i really liked hm, not a worldy but pretty direct and did the simple thing pretty well.

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05 Jun 2017 15:35:31
Didn't rate him personally.

05 Jun 2017 15:49:39
I rated him soon fell out of favour though.

05 Jun 2017 15:51:40
Riera. He was okay. Not particularly fast, but enough to get the ball upfield and strike in decent crosses. Something happened and he ran afoul of Benitez and the next thing you know he was frozen out of the team and then shipped out.

05 Jun 2017 16:05:56
He fell out with Rafa and called the club a sinking ship under him. He was sold to turkey.

05 Jun 2017 15:55:01
Riera unbelievable debut v Man Utd then never really hit those heights again! I think the away kit in those days was pretty much the same as next seasons.

05 Jun 2017 15:56:20
Didn't hit spearing or a youngster anyway in a training game for a tackle made on him? After that he was shipped out.

05 Jun 2017 15:04:14
Speaking to SiriusXM radio regarding Salah, Pallotta said: “With these questions you seem like the Roman reporters!

“In any case, there’s nothing in it at the moment.

“We continue to receive offers for many of our players and if we were to listen to all of them, we’d lose three quarters of the squad. Now we’ll see what to do.

“In order to improve, we need four or five quality reinforcements, because we’ll be taking part in the Champions League too next year.

“This season we’ve been penalised by injuries, especially in defence. Alessandro Florenzi’s injury cost us at least four points

We also don’t have enough strength in depth for the attack. Edin Dzeko scored 39 goals, but if he had got injured, I don’t know how our season would’ve ended. ”

Roma on salah.

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05 Jun 2017 15:12:57
Roma needs cash to balance the books before June 30th. They also need to offer a new contract to Nainngolan. I am 100% certain Salah will be sold!

05 Jun 2017 15:43:25
The Roma president (who is part of FSG) is just saying that to placate the fans as he can not stop the Salah deal from going thru. they need money and hence, need to sell players. Salah is keen to come and personal terms have been agreed. By all accounts, the deal is all but done but we still need confirmation.

05 Jun 2017 15:00:16
Apparently VVD is done according to Macca, and Skysports are reporting we've agreed terms with Salah (but not with Roma yet) . Along with Solanke, we're making quite a start to the transfer window. Hopefully Mendy and Keita to follow, we'll be challenging for the title next year.

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05 Jun 2017 14:54:14
Just a question for all the people who say this isn't footy man or fifa, when someone says sign x person.

What are you all going to say now liverpool are pulling 50 mil signings out the bag haha.

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05 Jun 2017 15:32:28
To be fair, transfers on FM is relatively realistic in terms of which teams sign which players, what you're paying for (e. g. agent fees, signing-on fees) etc. FIFA, on the other hand, is ridiculous as can be. I signed Ronaldo, Kroos and Lewandowski on frees for Southampton, and teams like Barcelona had at least seven forwards they had signed for 50 million each.

05 Jun 2017 14:46:08
I have tried to not think about getting VVD until Macca or the Eds confirmed it was done. So now that it has been I was wondering if anyone can tell me a bit more about him as a player.

Does he usually play on the left of the centre backs or the right?

Has he ever played in a 3 CB system? (As I think Klopp may be looking at this as an alternative to break teams down)

His injury records looks exceptional apart from the long injury he has just suffered and some games missed for an appendectomy when he was a youngster. Is there anything to be worried about there?

Anyway, all the best to our new player, he has my full support!

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05 Jun 2017 15:02:56
He plays on the left and has good ability on the ball, can pick a pass and is excellent in the air. Although he does get caught out of position sometimes, so expect a few moments to get the pulse racing.

I don't understand how 3 center backs would help break down deep defending teams. Maybe from corners?

05 Jun 2017 15:14:33
Lovren will be either benched or sold before the window. Klopp won't drop an attacker for a defender. No way we are reverting to back 3.

05 Jun 2017 15:18:13
Cheers for the response.

And playing 3 at the back can let the wing backs push further forward which can often help in unlocking teams that are sitting with 9 players camped across their 18 yr line. Just a thought anyway.

05 Jun 2017 15:19:06
Here's my take on VVD, Dawn. He is an immensely talented CB with all the tools you would want a CB to have (pace, power, aerial ability and great in possession and good passing ability) . However, his issues include lapses in concentration, positional awareness and goes walk about a lot a la David luiz at times.

VVD relies too much on his ability (due to being a very laid back guy, per Ed01) to bail him out of said issues instead knuckling down and working on the deficient areas of his game. It will also b interesting to see how he fairs in the open system we play cos at Saints, he always played with two DM's inform of him to provide protection. That will not happen here as our CB's are often exposed and required to defend one on one vs the opposition

Either way, these are things that good coaching and motivational input from a good manager like Klopp, can fix and provided VVD is willing to learn and fulfill the potential we all know he has, he will be a top CB for us. I have have not seen him play in a back 3 so I have no info. I hope this helps you, Red.

05 Jun 2017 15:21:47
Still not sure what to make of the VVD deal. Will it hamper our budget enough to stop us signing some quality in the fullback positions? I hope not.
VVD could be a fantastic CB as long as he improves his concentration and stops strolling around. Its upto Klopp to make sure that VVD lives up to his huge transfer fee and wages. Its a deal that could make or break LFC next season. We have beaten Man City and Chelsea to his signature and VVd needs to justify the faith LFC and Klopp have put in him to be the top CB that everyone expects him to be.
But till we sign some quality fullbacks, I will remain a bit pessimistic about our chances at league glory next season.

05 Jun 2017 15:32:37
Our full-backs will be pushing forward plenty. The new ones I mean. That's why we're looking for full-backs with end product. With buckets of possession and a team pinned back in their own half we only need 2 CBs to bring the ball out from the back and thread passes into midfield/ final third. A third would be a waste and it'd be better to have another midfield creator/ winger or striker instead. If you watched the games that we had those problems in, you may have noticed that the problem was the fullbacks' final ball, or them not overlapping enough, or multiple players failing to create spaces, make the right runs or pick a killer pass. A 3rd CB would help with none of those. Although I agree, it might be useful from time to time to have the option, like against Chelski for example.

05 Jun 2017 15:34:59
Doubt we'll move to three at the back on a regular occasion but certainly opens the possibility. Right now however we just don't quite have the wing backs required to justify IMO. Milner on the left and Clyne right doesn't have enough attacking threat. would rather we went 4-3-3 and let our wingers create the width, especially if we have Salah.

05 Jun 2017 16:17:07
The FB's we get as J. Meister alluded to, will be key for us cos they need to be of very good quality. Now that VVD is done and Salah by all accts, will be done as well, we need to focus on the FB area with intent to improve it massively and if we can do that, we are good to go.

05 Jun 2017 14:39:59
OK, so hopefully VVD is done as per Macca.

Would be horrible to miss out on Salah twice with such strength of rumours, so let's say he's done too.

Now, could we pip Citeh to Mendy as well?

And secure Keita too?

A little wee just came out!

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{Ed025's Note - that made me smile zeddicus..

05 Jun 2017 14:44:34
Even if we get 3 of those 4, this might just end up being our most successful window ever.

05 Jun 2017 14:47:07
That would get us league title without any doubt which is what FSG is spending for! No more Top 4 drama. Straight at the league.

05 Jun 2017 14:59:45
For once Harry I can agree with you! I think, injuries permitting, we would have a great chance next season.

05 Jun 2017 14:49:21
Just imagine how much bodily fluid will be swishing around Ed Towers if Ed001's wishes were fulfilled and we signed Medel too!

I shudder to think, lol!

05 Jun 2017 15:02:18
Reet, mate, I'd agree with you in the Premier League era.

A bit before your time, but our best windows ever were in the 70s and 80s.

It didn't matter who we signed, we just kept on winning!

05 Jun 2017 15:07:28
I always wanted my club to win the title and I am no big fan of this consistent top 4 excuses. How many top 4 did City had before then won the title. And how many has Arsenal have before they won a league lol. The owners have backed Klopp and now it's his turn to deliver the trophy. I am really confident with above names we are 100% challenging the title.

05 Jun 2017 14:18:54
Dear dear me. Not getting ahead of myself here but if VVD becomes a Liverpool player it would certainly be refreshing to see us win the race for a big name player ahead of the likes of big spending City, definitely see us turning a corner with Klopp if this happens.

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05 Jun 2017 14:23:46
Correct. It would also make us extremely strong at the back.

05 Jun 2017 14:05:22
Eds what's your opinion on Lallanas position and place next season. He was the most improved player for me last season. Really think he deserves both his place and support from Klopp as he really works hard and had impressive games.

Mane Salah are both going to be big money Klopp signings. Firmino a favourite and established, he played deeper then striker in Germany, I think Klopp looked at him for Dortmund when Kagawa left? If we do sign a striker as touted then I'll guess some games he'll play off. Coutiniho is either part of the forward line or as at the end of last season deeper.

Where does this leave Lallana, I don't seen many on here list him in their starting line with new signings. Seems a forgotten player already, which is a shame rather then a reward I feel he deserves.

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{Ed025's Note - tough one for klopp max, very strong midfield that and imo adam will struggle to get in it mate..

05 Jun 2017 14:16:02
It leaves Lallana on the bench for a better player which could be a clsss striker or Kieta.

05 Jun 2017 14:51:56
It leaves Lallana as backup to Mane. And to come in after we've blown our opponents out of the water, and he's needed to press up front and solidify defensive abilities a bit and close out games.

05 Jun 2017 14:40:58
Salah lacazette mane
Firmino
Coutinho keita.
Rob VVD matip clyne
Karius

No way. Replace hendo for keita?

05 Jun 2017 15:00:02
League, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup, injuries and real competition needed in every position to ensure players are as up for a game against a lower half team as for a top 6 clash.

We need to stop thinking in terms of only a first 11. We need 18 first team quality players to compete.

05 Jun 2017 14:53:52
It's been on my mind too - think dropping Coutinho deeper makes it tough for Lallana to get into the side. should have plenty of chances to rotate if we go deep in CL (or EL if we drop down) though. Good to see this sort of quality depth though. been a while since we've had this sort of problem!

05 Jun 2017 15:04:54
Supermane, that midfield would get absolutely ripped to shreds, this isn't fifa. Keita wouldn't be able to accommodate both firmino and coutinho in the midfield and he is by no means a defensive minded midfielder, he is as box to box as they come, so there is little defensive contribution from that midfield you just listed.

05 Jun 2017 15:14:33
Agree with Fitzy. We have two African wingers who will go to the AFCON every 2 years, we have 2 attacking Brazillians with long flights home after every international break and if we perform as expected on all fronts next season, we could easily have 55 matches. Where is Lallana? Probably making 20 starts and as a many sub appearances even assuming everyone stays relatively healthy i. e. no long term injuries.

05 Jun 2017 15:25:38
AFCON is every 4 years just like all international tournaments.

05 Jun 2017 15:36:34
AFCON is every 2 years.

Still not a valid reason at all not to sign a player who will be missing for, at most 1 month every 2 years.

05 Jun 2017 18:38:09
There's no way I see Klopp leaving out Lallana! He's one of the first names on his team sheet!

05 Jun 2017 19:11:24
Kman. Yaya toure protected

De bryune, silva, sane, sterling and aguero pretty well.

Coutinhos not someone whose incapable of beung a good cm. he's a little terrier. Firmino runs the ass off players so his pressing in thete would be phenominal.

Abd theb keita to sweep it all up.
Most games we have 70% possession anyway.

That team would be awesome. You could (not sure you no this) change the team for diffetent games like.

Firmino for wij or something.

Home games though what a team that would be.

05 Jun 2017 13:47:47
hi Ed's cheers for the ongoing work. I am now looking at these transfers as total cost like VVD £150m, Kieta similar, Mendy £120m etc. This obviously means we can only do a maximum of 2 at these levels and probably only one. The rest of the purchases would come from sales.

We moved on quickly from Brandt so for me that is a very good sign. I just hope that we get one of klopp's main targets. I wouldn't worry about other players from the squad wanting more money they all have room for improvement. As it stands I think

RB Milner/ TAA it is a good upgrade
Kieta or VVD whichever Klopp
thinks is most important.
LW Salah
LB and one more forward thinking player if we don't get Kieta so we can try to keep the squad fresh. As Ed001 said Klopp has chosen well so far.

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05 Jun 2017 13:04:21
Just watched Solanke score a lovely goal. Nice, well done.

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05 Jun 2017 13:31:52
Ejaria coming on now, for Lookman who's been MIA.

05 Jun 2017 12:01:49
People banging on about transfer fees being too high for players. so what? Who cares? That's how it is. The vasts amount of money in the top end of the game drives the market. We should me more concerned whether a potential transfer target will improve lfc and help us win the league and champions league. We all want success after all. Our defence is poor, we all know that. That should be our priority. Will vvd improve the squad and help us win the league? Yeah, he's a beast. Let's pay up and move on to securing a quality left back. It's time to start winning again.

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05 Jun 2017 12:14:08
The problem is if you skip this window without addressing those key positions then the same player linked linkrd becomes £50 mill next year. I would have loved the club to sort out the full backs and midfield position by now.

05 Jun 2017 12:26:43
The window hasn't open. Chill, Winston.

05 Jun 2017 12:30:24
Yep, get all transfers sorted before the transfer window opens. More wonderful logic.

05 Jun 2017 12:33:23
You're right. Pay whatever they ask for. That'll be good in the long term.

05 Jun 2017 12:51:27
Getting transfers as sorted a second you can before the window opens sounds like a very good idea. That way you don't get the stress, less likely to get into silly bidding wars and more likely to not end up panic buying.

05 Jun 2017 13:13:24
Whilst the window isn't open yet (we have this same discussion every summer in June as its a bit of a dead period! ), being able to secure a deal (agreement with both player and club ready for ratification once the window is open) can only be a good thing.

Reaper's main point is not "pay whatever they ask" but instead pay a fee commensurate with the current market. £60m for a CB 5 years ago? Crazy! I remember when Rio moved for £30m and how we were laughing at the Mancs at overpaying. However, they got 10+ years service out of a very reliable, quick and intelligent (game intelligence, anyway! ) defender on which to build their repeated success.

If Klopp reckons VVD is the man to give that solidity at the back, and we have our direct competitors willing to pay the exorbitant fee (thereby giving some credence to the price) then we should go for it and move on to our next target.

Could we get cheaper on the continent? Maybe, but we're likely, in this market, still be talking about £30-£40m for someone like Jonathan Tah (who I am a big fan of BTW! ), who has no PL experience, so is more of a risk than someone who already has it (and BTW seems very motivated to play for the club, a big plus in my book! ) .

Don't get me wrong, I would love for Gomez, for example, to get the chance to grow into the role, but we have been talking about potential for a long time now, and I would like to get a smattering of starters in the team now!

Ideal scenario for me, if (and only if) Klopp doesn't see Lovren as a guaranteed starter, is to buy an upgrade on him (like VVD for example), sell Lovren (along with Sakho) to give him the first team opportunities in what should be the prime of his career) and allow the path for Gomez to develop into a first team player, with cup runs, some PL games and U23. We will still have Klavan as a back up too, alongside Lucas if he stays (I really would like him to! ) .

Anyway, just my view, but I do get Reaper's main point which is that we fans should worry less about the money (as Ed002 constantly points out, its complicated), trust the management in the club that they are looking after that, and look only to which players will make us a better team.

Hear endeth the sermon, lol!

05 Jun 2017 13:57:13
When it comes to having a solid defence, your centre backs are more important than your fullbacks. LB was only a bigger priority because our actual options there are bare. So yes, Liverpool planned on plugging that hole first, but when a centre back that the manager really admires suddenly flings himself at the club to be signed, plans obviously need to change. I'd rather a defence with strong centre backs and weak fullbacks than a defence with weak centre backs and strong fullbacks.

05 Jun 2017 14:17:17
By the time window gets opened the good players would have swapped clubs already.

05 Jun 2017 15:06:38
I agree with the comment about paying what is needed to get the player you need, in the right circumstances.
Now is the time to buy players who are good enough to improve what is already a good team. To do that will involve paying more than market value as that's what has become the norm for those at the top of English footy. So if we want to stay there then we will have to do the same.
Utd paid 89 million for potential last year so how much would they pay for the real deal? And they accepted mid table and a couple of mickey mouse trophies! That's what we are competing against if we are not to return to their level!

05 Jun 2017 11:48:12
I think just a winger, a right and left full back and a forward would probably do me.

I love sturridge as a player, but 20 games a season isn't good enough, yes he can produce moments of magic but hopefully, his replacement will be able to do something similar over a whole season.

If Clyne isn't willing to stay as 2nd choice then he can leave, I'm not crazy about him staying either way because even keeping him as back up stunts TAAs growth, however if our new signing gets injured TAA becomes first choice and that could be tough on him, so that's debatable.

I think Milner will probably leave, with our looking for a central midfielder and a left back, doesn't really leave a space for him. He joined us to be first choice, he won't be next season.

I don't think we need widespread changes at all. Mignolets form was much improved, and Klopp might start us with Karius next season anyway.

Having another forward to push Firmino is a must, Origi is good but not at his level. Whenever Sturridge is injured, Firmino is unchallenged.

Hendo, Lallana Can, Wijnaldum, Grujic, Coutinho, and the new addition should see us alright in midfield, if not a bit heavy. Even if Hendo has fitness issues still we should be covered.

I do like the look of Salah, he's got pace and intelligence. Looks like he will fit nicely and it's good to see us targeting a player who looks like he'll fit, fancy than a player who we can mould.

If VVD comes in, I'd expect Klavan to leave, if he doesn't I don't see much hope for Gomez unfortunately. If he doesn't, we are ok at CB in numbers if not quality.

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05 Jun 2017 12:05:29
Left wing/ forward and a left back for me. Crucial we bring in real quality in these two positions.

05 Jun 2017 12:16:54
I would add a midfielder and CB into the list. Absolutely not convinced about Lovren and klavan. You just can't outscore every teams. I expect both Lucas and Stewart to go and Henderson to miss as many as half of the season, So a top drawer CM is a must.

05 Jun 2017 14:34:58
Dave, I have a suspicion that we will sign a LB and make Milner our first choice RB, with TAA in the wings. We will sell Clyne, if not this window then in one of the next couple, to give TAA a clear run at taking that first choice spot from Milner.

I'm not ITK at all, just trying to apply logic especially if the Salah and VVD signings are confirmed as I don't think we will have the money to do RB too.

Salah, VVD, first choice LB and a 'compete for first choice' CM (as I fear for Hendo's LT future and would love to believe the Keita rumours) and we're ready for a good tilt next season.

Would be great to get the business done early and crack on with melding together the team in pre-season.

05 Jun 2017 11:17:59
Just had a look on youtube ( yeah I know) and Salah looks like he could be excellent for us.
He seems to be very quick at reacting, with a few of his goals this season coming from reacting quickest to knockdowns and parries.
He's also pretty good with little deft touches so I imagine his link up with Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino would be class.
I can see him and Mane stretching the play very well and causing havoc, especially when Firmino drops deep to create space.
He looks to me to be a better fit than Brandt too, both quality players but Brandt reminds me a little of Lallana, and its goals we are most lacking from the wing, just my opinion of course.
All in all I think he could be excellent, and it would be nice not to see Andy Carrolls name as the most expensive signing,

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05 Jun 2017 10:22:34
A lot of people on here saying this or that player isn't worth the money being rumoured for them. The transfer fees have jumped hugely in the last few seasons as the new TV deal has kicked in. That's just reality. Yesterdays 5ml player is now starting at 15ml. The really good players that the top 6 clubs want all seem to start at 30ml/ 40ml+ if they have more than 1 year left on their existing contract.

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05 Jun 2017 10:30:11
Correct! The only question is the need and options with you. We aren't selling our best players for peanuts. Would we? I saw Ed025 claiming about the price tag, would Everton sell Lukaku for £10 mill?

{Ed025's Note - i have not complained about any price tag SC it is what it is, the market decides the prices and so long as they dont come knocking at my door to fund it its not any of my concern, i did comment on money ruining football and i stand on that but thats a different issue..

05 Jun 2017 10:31:21
Good post, I hope everyone takes notice of it.

05 Jun 2017 10:46:56
@Ed025, Fair mate.

05 Jun 2017 11:17:35
Its depends how u see money ruining footy, today you've got teams like burnely everton etc receiving over 120M from EPL despite winning nothing, even sunderland who were relegated got over 99M.

Now I'm sure those clubs and their fans aren't complaining getting those figures as we all want to see our clubs competing at highest level so it works both ways tho.

05 Jun 2017 10:00:09
Ed. Are the numbers/ figures being banded about for VVD accurate? Im not asking you to tell exact just interested to know if they are accurate or guess work from the media?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, I don't read the media to know what figures they are banding about and I have no interest in getting into money anyway.}

05 Jun 2017 10:07:44
Just want this VVD saga to end now. He is not worth what Southampton want nor his extortionate wages. This ruccus has simply deflected the club's attention away from other deals that we could have already concluded by now. I want Klopp to get Salah and the new fullbacks before pre season starts. Anything more will be a bonus. This VVD money could be better used to just pay up for Mendy (a priority position) and a quality RB like Periera.

05 Jun 2017 10:31:33
@Indian
Southampton doesn't want to sell him. So they can play the hard ball. It's up to the clubs who are chasing him. He is an excellent player. If he was playing for any money rich club he would be called world class which he is.

05 Jun 2017 11:14:09
The club can deal with more than one Transfer at a time you know, just because the media focuses on one player. I'm sure the club are in talks/ discussions about all players they are looking at, we just don't know about it. The media is mostly guess/ lies to get you to click.

05 Jun 2017 11:25:50
That's a joke Harry. He's not called world class because he's not, simple as. Last season he was the less reliable/ sought after Soton CB. Half a season playing well (and far from the best CB in the league) does not give you 'world class' status. he's only just forced his way into the Netherlands squad at the age of 25, and can you even name their current CB pair?

05 Jun 2017 12:23:14
HJikle

VVD has all the attributes to be the best in the league and I am pretty sure he will stand out as the best coming season. Pace, power and he is a beast in the air. He is excellent on the ball as well. Marquinios did not play a lot until Silva was benched at PSG and he is regarded as one of the best in Europe.

05 Jun 2017 13:53:29
Has the attributes? So does Stones and he was a liability. So does Shawcross and he's a thug. The fact that he might become something doesn't justify calling him it already. Just admit you made another nonsense statement about him being a world class player when he is no such thing.

05 Jun 2017 09:55:11
Is Salah worth anything more than £35 mill? Roma is adamant on the price. I would personally put that on Thomas Lemar or Lucas Moura.

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05 Jun 2017 10:09:31
I'm happy with Salah signing. He is super fast, runs past defenders at will and can score goals. Him and Mane will be running defenders ragged all season. Lemar would be a dream come true but he is one player who Monaco will not allow to leave at least this summer. Moura is just a over rated pony imo. End product is seriously lacking and his wage demands would be twice that of Salah.

05 Jun 2017 10:12:13
I wouldn't.

05 Jun 2017 10:16:34
Tbf Harry you have always preferred hundreds of alternatives over the players we actually sign.

05 Jun 2017 10:21:52
Salah avaliable, lemar not.

Botb very close anyway. Offer as much as eachother.

Mendy and lemar would of been the fifa dream come true like. Left sife sorted for 10 years.

05 Jun 2017 10:33:20
@Reet
That's coz there are lots and lots of options across Europe mate.

05 Jun 2017 10:32:40
Lemar will be off by end of this window @Supermane. It's all about MONEY.

{Ed025's Note - "if theres any justice in the world" he will be harry.. :)

05 Jun 2017 10:49:36
@Ed25, He is top class player mate. And I saw Ed02 claiming Juventus remains interested. It might be be a late transfer but it's very difficult to resist big money offer just like Bernardo Silva.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think you quite got the joke harry but im sure someone a bit sharper will enlighten you mate.. :)

05 Jun 2017 11:09:23
Damn! Did I miss that 🙄.

05 Jun 2017 11:20:05
Reet.
Having a right chuckle at that.

05 Jun 2017 11:38:04
I think right about now its 50/ 50.

05 Jun 2017 13:04:53
Plenty of players across Europe Harry but we can't sign them all. Why don't you put your top 10 players in an email to Mr Klopp and ask him ever so nicely to sign them for you poppet?

05 Jun 2017 09:15:28
Hi Eds

Been reading a lot of posts saying there's no way we'd be able to spend £200 million on VVD, Salah, Lacazetter and a left back. Mostly a lot of negative comments about FSG which I think are unfair as I think they've done a good job. I was reading an interview with a football finance expert and he was saying with the amount of money clubs have now with the new TV deals, influx of billionaire owners and much improved sponsorship deals that he expected the top 6 teams to all spend £200 million plus and he even said that with inflated prices that see average players going for around £20million that he thinks most teams will spend £100million this summer. It just seems crazy to me a Bournemouth or Burnley going out an spending £100 million on players to stay up when only a few years ago £100 million could buy you a title challenging squad. The amount of money these days banded about doesn't seem real.

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05 Jun 2017 09:59:22
Relegated Sunderland earned more money than Juventus winning the seria A. There is insane money in PL. it's nice to see the money being circulated all across Europe. players remains same but Yesterday's £25 mill becomes todays £50 mill. Imagine Andrew Robertson becoming a £30 mill player next summer? Lol.

05 Jun 2017 10:10:45
Not to mention between Markovic, Sakho, Moreno, maybe one of Sturridge, Ings and Origi and some fringe players like Kent we are likely to recover at least 50-80m of our spending.

05 Jun 2017 13:17:02
Yeah I agree we could recoup some money, my only worry is we will take losses on a few too. For example Markovic, even in today's inflated market we are unlikely to see anywhere near the £20million we paid for him, Sturridge we might get around £15 million Sakho we should turn in a profit for. If we signed the alleged top 3 targets we've been linked with in the press of VVD, Lacazette and Salah I'd be delighted, extra strength at the back and last season Salah and Lacazette scored over 50 goals between them, plus they are pacy players, which we've lacked at times without Mane. Address the left back problem, sell the players like Sturridge, Sakho, Origi, Markovic to try and recoup some cash and if FSG have anything left in the pot the a DM would be nice. That for me would be a dream summer.

05 Jun 2017 09:08:53
Let's just see who southampton look to buy to replace VVD and buy him instead save ourselves a fortune still get a decent CH and still have the funds to buy the much needed LB and RB 😁.

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05 Jun 2017 10:23:11
Haha said the same for years. Just release the "interest" in their player and then buy thete replacement.

Put it this way, by thay method we could of had mane before lallana. I love lallana but.

05 Jun 2017 10:32:22
We could have bought the entire club for the combined price of the fees we have paid them in the last 3 years.

05 Jun 2017 04:41:21
Hi Eds,

You have said Robertson appears to be the most likely to come in at LB. My question is do you know if he's seen as being our new starting LB or a replacement to Moreno? If he's a replacement for Moreno, does that mean we're sticking with Milner at LB, or will we be looking for another LB on top of Robertson, or do they want to bring Pereira in as a LB instead of RB? I don't know much about the guy, do you know what the scouts have identified with him that have made them want to bring him on board?

Ta.

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{Ed001's Note - we are not buying a back up. Scouts see a left footed fullback who loves to get forward and can deliver quality crosses with his left.}

05 Jun 2017 06:00:43
If robertson is the leftback of choice then you have to wonder what are scouts actually see. He didn't have the best of seasons and his attacking play left a lot to be desired. The saving grace is that hopefully he has an excellent attitude To improve himself, because his level this season won't suffice if we want to challenge at the top.

05 Jun 2017 07:05:42
Have you seen him play before, Ed?

{Ed001's Note - Robertson? Yes, many times mate. Or do you mean Pereira? If so, I have only seen Pereira once.}

05 Jun 2017 07:06:13
How do we go from Mendy to Robertson?

We always have a clear number one target then there is a distinct difference in quality to our back up choices.

05 Jun 2017 07:45:13
I wouldn't be disapointed with Robertson tbh, he is decent going foward and can certainly improve. We should learn from missing out on the likes of Cresswell and Ryan Bertrand, who at the time were not up to our quality, but have improved massively since then.

05 Jun 2017 08:13:04
Just remember we all said the same about moreno.

The art of defending isn't as easy to learn as yoy think.

05 Jun 2017 08:19:49
Kawa I get where you are coming from but we are about to go into a huge season with champions league. We need players that will improve the first team NOW.

05 Jun 2017 08:44:41
There are plenty of left left backs in Europe. We should look at an experienced one.

05 Jun 2017 10:12:24
Bertrand for one would be a brilliant signing for the next 3-4 seasons. Has played in a UCL final and kept a bunch of world class attackers at bay while being the most consistent LB in the league since joining Saints. 20 million should tempt Saints imo instead of wasting 7-8 million on Robertson now and looking for another LB next season.

05 Jun 2017 10:24:04
We should just go all out for betrand. End of the day he's a champipns league winner. Great player and would certaintly sort our lb issue. Rovertson still has question marks.

05 Jun 2017 10:45:23
Yeah Robertson. You like what you saw, Ed?

{Ed001's Note - meh, not really. Struggles under pressure, panics easily, can deliver if given time and space, but not the best defensively.}

06 Jun 2017 12:18:11
Buzzer,

If Bertrand is as good as you say he is (which I'm not debating), what makes you think we could get him for 20mil?

On top of that, the year we were linked with Bertrand, he was massively slated on this site as "not good enough". what makes people so certain that Robertson can't do the same? Don't give me any crap him simply not being good enough because that's the same stance people had on bertrand 3-4 years ago.

again I'm not saying Robertson will turn out to be as good, I'm just saying that hindsight is a wonderful thing and based on the bertrand situation, should at least be given a chance and not instantly written off.

I'm pretty certain that the reason people aren't keen on him is because he plays for hull and Ed1 hasn't given him a ringing endorsement. I guarantee people slating him haven't seen enough of him to truly make that judgement.

05 Jun 2017 03:23:11
Hi Ed's

By the looks of it, A S Monaco has just won and they are dismatling their team by allowing all of the players on the shop window.

City will take two, Chelsea and Manu U are also after.

What is their strategy? Are they in need of money? How can they let all of them leave at the same time?

Wish we get one of their stars.

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - they are only letting those go that they have to. Fabinho, for instance, had agreed to stay one more year last summer, so now they are honouring their agreement with him by selling him this summer.}

05 Jun 2017 06:34:57
Tbere a sevilla. Not a madrid

There not the end of the rainbow for players. Thete will be a lot of ins and iuts eaxh year.

What they have is an ezcellent scouting systems and must trust that.

They have already signing tielemans. Another 60 nil player in 2 years.

05 Jun 2017 00:00:07
Quick question.

On top of someone like keita would we look to replace Lucas if he left with another midfielder?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot keep adding players without someone leaving.}

05 Jun 2017 02:24:41
well said ed002 more players will be leaving than arriving, they have to, every player that leaves does NOT need replacing, we need a more manageable squad in terms of numbers, squad players can be covered by youngsters.

05 Jun 2017 07:36:23
i imagine more first team players will be incoming rather than leaving, I imagine a lot of the players leaving would be the ones on loan or ones that couldn't make the match day team, Stewart, Flanno, Markovic, Bogdan, Moreno, Wisdom, Sakharov, Kent? Ojo? Randall? Brannagan?

05 Jun 2017 08:24:12
Presuming you meant Sakho Cobracraig there's actually about £80m worth of players there in total. Makes you think. And that's for players that will not even make the bench most of the time.
I would send Branagan on loan this season though and not sell him. Same with Ojo.

05 Jun 2017 10:33:10
I put question marks for the ones that may go on loan, but yes we could get a lot of money for players that don't feature although that would all be eaten up by a deal for VVD if it went through.

05 Jun 2017 10:31:27
Predictive text on Sakho yes.

05 Jun 2017 10:36:51
Sakho-£20m
Markovic-£8-10m
Lucas-£5-8m
Stewart-£5-8m
Moreno-£5m
Flanno-£3m
Wisdom-£3m
They look the ones almost certain to leave, I have guessed the fees but we could maybe get 50/ 60m for them?

05 Jun 2017 11:20:18
Lucas contract expire this summer, so will leave for free.

05 Jun 2017 11:38:23
My bad, thought he had a year to run.

05 Jun 2017 11:51:56
Kingkenny do you think there was enough quality in the squad last season when injuries hit because personally I don't my point being with more games this season coming we are definitely going to need more players in than ot.

05 Jun 2017 15:01:03
we don't need to keep stock piling players, we have yet to officially qualify for the cl, we barely compete in the fa cup under klopp the lc is a lottery so we could easily end up with just the pl to compete in, we don't need a large squad if that happens, we cannot afford to have players on large wages doing nothing for most of the season ( ref rooney at utd) that would be a financial disaster for the club.