Liverpool Banter Archive November 05 2012
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05 Nov 2012 22:06:35
can anybody tell me how much money you will have in january? {Ed003's Note - Our lass gets about a grand,mine depends on how busy it is? }
05 Nov 2012 21:48:17
Anyone watch the u21's tonight?
thoughts on Joao Carlos Teixeira 1st start?
Hoola
He didn't even start. he replaced yesil
OK his debut for the club - first time played for LFC.
Hoola
05 Nov 2012 21:46:51
Hi eds & reds, just to take our minds off the match for a short while, what would be your premier league team so far? Mine would be:
---------------Cech---------------
---Ivanovic---Cahill---Vermaelen---
---------Fellaini-----Michu---------
Hazard---------Mata--------Suarez
-------Van Persie-----Tevez-------
Subs: Jaaskelainen, A. Cole, Baines, Cazorla, Ben Arfa, Rooney, Ba.
Thoughts? {Ed003's Note - where is Oscar ? }
Did you see Vermalan v Man U?
My team:
Cech
Rafael Mertersacker Cahill Baines
Hazard Fellaini Cazorla Mata
Suarez Van Persie
BthekingB
05 Nov 2012 23:48:33
my team:
hart
cahill kompany agger
ramires michu
hazard mata oscar
ba suarez
subs: cech, baines, lescott, gerrard, sterling, van persie, aguero
as soon as he's back to full fitness though silva will be in for mata/oscar. and de jong in for michu. also, van persie on the bench, is aminly becasue i HATE him.what do you think?
RyanTheRed
He obviously didn't make the team
They are all attacking players, need the balance and some underrated players in there..
RC
--------------Jaaskelainen--------------
Jenkinson---Ivanovic--McCauley---Baines
-----------------Yacob-----------------
----------Hazard-------Mata------------
-----------------Fellaini-----------------
----------Suarez------Van Persie--------
Rafael-kompany-Agger-G.Johnson
Toure
Allan
Mata
Hazard
Suarez
RVP
Subs Rooney gerrard Cahill fellaini sterling bale
De Jong isn't even a City player anymore so I don't know how you could put him in for Michu Ryan.
Do people honestly think cahill is better than agger?
05 Nov 2012 21:34:43
Edds, although the transfer window is closed. Can we still bid and accept prices and wage deals with players and teams to get things done now, just leaving the dotted line bit till the window opens? Cheers
Jim {Ed003's Note - Of course deals can be agreed beforehand}
05 Nov 2012 21:17:57
Wow our U21's are flying, great 5-1 win today lads, incase your curious: Pacheco (2), Adorjan (1), Joao Carlos Texeira (1), Ngoo (1). Rodolfo Borrell the best signing Rafa made? Might just be.
PS: Texeira, what a talent, it's a shame he has been injured lately. I can definitely see him becoming a future Deco for us, as some have been comparing him to. Any of the Eds see the game? If so thoughts?
AsianRed
05 Nov 2012 21:17:02
any idea of any left backs we hold an interest in ?
MrJimmy
Wayne Bridge
Jack Robinson , glen Johnson and Jose Enrique I believe
05 Nov 2012 20:36:44
Hi eds . Just watching the u21s some great performances tonight . Got to admit we really do have a great youth set up . Question . Who is the next star to make the step up ?
My choice is texiera .
The boy is like suso
Jamesy
I don't think Texeira has had enough games in the U21s/Reserves (due to injury) so my guess would be Adorjan due to his form but I personally don't think he would manage to get into the liverpool first XI in a few years due to so much talent and personnel in midfield but may be a good squad player? Ibe looks good aswell (very similar to raheem, might even become better) and Ngoo may get a look at because of our current striker situation.
05 Nov 2012 20:57:20
did anyone watch the under 21s what a 2nd half
05 Nov 2012 20:54:31
after watching the u21s hammer another team i got to thinking that maybe some off our senior players should ask yhe likes af adjoran and ngoo how they manage to show such composure in front of goal when quiet frankly the senior players show absolutly none what at all !! Borrell should also get a pay rise for the work he is doing because it is outstanding!!
05 Nov 2012 20:44:12
Love to see one game (perhaps a friendly) with Downing at LB, Johnson on the RW, Gerrard up front with Luis, and Agger as DM. Possibly their best positions (except Dagger)
Sorry, but it must be asked...
WHY?
06 Nov 2012 08:44:18
And Reina and Carra up front gettin the goals!?!?!?!
05 Nov 2012 21:14:29
Not looking for miracles in January but our squad is not as bad as you think it's only lacking 3 players
A. Striker ( poacher)
B wing forward (can play winger/striker)
C left back ( better defender than attacker)
Any ideas people a / b I was thinking huntelaar/ Walcott
C I'm stuck on but Jose is a decent player but his reading of the game costs him . His pace gets him out of jail many a time we need a class lb as we have a world class rb in Johnson .
Keep up the good work eds
If they could get Huntalaar for under 10 mil I think that would be a great signing. I may be the minority there, but paying Walcott in excess of 80 or 90k a week is too high in my opinion.
I'd be very happy with a striker of Huntalaars class. He'd take a lot of pressure off of Luis. Plus I like the fact that he's a little older. He'd be a good bridge between the older players who just have a few years left (Gerrard) and all of the kids who may not quite be ready yet (Yesil, Morgan). It'd be nice to have a bit more experience on the pitch sometimes.
~Fresh
A) I think Huntelaar would be good for the short term and we do have some quality strikers coming through our ranks (yesil, ngoo, morgan etc.).
B) I'd buy Walcott because I have a feeling he will click in our system. Another alternative would be pierre-emerick aubemeyang, who is quick and a decent finisher. (I'm pretty sure there's a player profile on him done by the eds).
C) Robinson is good enough for that position but until he isn't ready (only 1-2 seasons I think), we should get a short term solution. I'm not too sure of who we could get - maybe Isla who was of interest to us under Kenny?
Just a couple of questions for the eds:
- Was the interest in Aubemeyang real?
- Is there any interest from Liverpool in any full backs?
Cheers. {Ed002's Note - TRy the search function.}
05 Nov 2012 19:13:16
Hey ED's I know we have interest in walcott and have had since BR's arrival. My question is did we or have we at any point made an approach to arsenal about him?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't know.}
05 Nov 2012 19:07:46
ed's, i know you work very hard, but any chance of sections labelled positive and negative banter so i and many others can skip the BS about sack him, this players rubbishe etc etc and read about the positives in the current set up?
Post of the day :)
cozinoz
05 Nov 2012 17:44:16
Eds, do you know of any interest, either Liverpool or elsewhere, in two young attacking players. Vaclav Kadlec from Sparta Praha and Lazar Markovic from Partizan Belgrade?
Thanks.
Lee {Ed002's Note - There is interest but not from Liverpool at this time.}
05 Nov 2012 20:27:06
Liverpool have representatives at the Hawthorns tonight. A friend of mine who works for Standard Chartered has been saying for sometime now that Rodgers is extremely interested in Shane Long as he could play in the system he wants, has pace to play off the shoulder but also versatile enough to interchange with wide attackers and deep lying attackers.
My opinion is that he's a decent player, but somewhat underwhelmed by this interest - however cannot help but feel that is the standard we will be looking at.
So how long have liverpool had to talk to sponsors about there transfer targets. why did they not stop kenny from spending 35 million on carroll.
No one who works for Standard Chartered has the first clue who Rodgers is interested in, they are told nothing in relation to transfer targets.
Constantly flabbergasted that Rodgers can't manage the resources he has but has to 'find those who fit into his system'. Not a manager then.
Even though it meant demolishing what was the third best defence the league last season.
Why didn't he just buy a poaching striker in the summer, when other teams weren't aware how abysmal a position he had got himself into. Now every team is waiting for lfc to come calling because BR has either telegraphed who he doesn't want in his squad, thereby reducing their confidence and value further, while making himself look amateurish. What top striker will want to come. The last good striker to come on paper at least had quality. We all know what BR did to him.
jmac
I'm getting bored asking this question every time Long gets mentioned
Why would WBA sell?
Chris in Tamworth
05 Nov 2012 21:42:46
Passing on what I'm told. He works for SC but his info is not gained in his official capacity rather info that seems to be doing the rounds in his office. The more I think about it, I think he fits Rodgers profile...
Haven't WBA just gone 5th.
if FSG have missed a trick then it certainly seems like it was letting steve clarke go a little too early.
and i doubt he'll be very keen to let shane long go either!
Was long at reading when br got sacked , is this another mistake going to happen like borini and allen please no
And what?? They are gonna finish the season as 5th..smoke on!!
I am more worried about LFC rumoured about being associated with Shane Long rather than vice-versa...
Indian with Red Heart
05 Nov 2012 20:25:48
On Sunday for the first ten mins ,we played the best football that any team has played this season ,can people please see the positives from our team this season we have the best back four still in the premiership ,and two of the most exciting young prospects in the premiership (sterling 17 suso 18) we suarez the best attack minded and committed player in the premiership ,it is no secret we need a goal finisher ,but give Brendon a chance in the jan window , before you comment on my opinion can I just mention cast your mind back to the days of Roy Hodgson , so negative play and no youth being given the chance .
Your right mate but it not about playing best passing football it is about results and as it stands BR has had the worst start in 15years last manager this poor on result G Souness. And look what happened there .
Just a shame a game lasts 90 minutes then kid.
McB
Sterling and suso are great talents. i cant see how you think you played the best football of any team for ten mins?? city, united, chelsea and spurs have been scintillating at times. you pass it well and have exciting players but pretty football isnt always good football, the teams i mentioned are on annother level to lfc
brendan
With good football, will come results. Settle petal...
05 Nov 2012 20:22:21
pacheo is playing a blinder for the under 21s he has got 2 goals already after him getting moved to the main striker , the lad should be given a chance in our 1st team
mickey b
JFT96
I agree, turned on at half time, it was 1-0 to Wolves. 1-5 to Liverpool after 30 minutes of the second half. Thought Pacheco was outstanding, good performances all round, but thought that Texiera and Ibe deserve a special mention. Northern Git
05 Nov 2012 20:19:10
Hi Ed's
How much do u think Isco would be sold for? {Ed052's Note - £15m +}
15m for a player of his ability is a no brainier... We prob won't get him and then we'll see Chelsea buying him in a year for 30+mill
Always the way it goes
Thats what we paid for Allen so what a stupid point you make
How much? Too much for you lot, that's all you need to know :)
05 Nov 2012 20:15:34
I feel rodgers is should not waste money in january..he should secure loan deals for those average players rather than buy them..we don't need more average players only a world class striker would do right now..he should wait for the summer..and please don't give me that champions league rubbish,because if we are serious about them they would really come..I see no reason we can't compete with juventus for llorente or damaio would reject us...the only way most of them won't come is if the premier league big boys are also interested..or barca or madrid..
The reason these type of player will not join is wages. Liverpool will not offer contracts on a par with what other clubs will. And rightly so IMO.
05 Nov 2012 20:02:39
just herd that rodgers is going to try and sign neil taylor in jan on cheap not sure if players are going in other direction or not. do the eds know any thing about this and how much is a left back with one leg worth.
kumber {Ed052's Note - I wouldn't think we would sign him injured, but perhpas £7m}
Taylor is out for the season with a broken ankle. Even we wouldn't be daft enough to buy him in January.
05 Nov 2012 19:57:52
i think the reason we are not scoring more goals is because we dont get many players in the box , against everton suarez had the ball on the left of the box , and camera angle from behind him showed he had no help so he went on his own , BR needs to playy 2 up front , with any formation he plays he can still play his tika taka football , but what we really do need is more players in the box
mickey b
JFT96
I don't think we need two up front. Maybe after January Suarez could move to the wings and the striker bought in January would move into Suarez's place. However, for now, all we need is Shelvey starting because whenever he plays, he always gets into positions which Gerrard/Sahin don't. Yes his finishing/decision making isn't the best but that comes with experience and training sessions. I'd bring him into the first XI with Gerrard being a super sub.
05 Nov 2012 19:50:42
I know this has nothing to do with what may happen in jan although the players included in the following are targets. As we all know a club that is not backed by a billionaire tend to achieve their own way off success to get to top. Examples are bourossia Dortmund, arsenal, barcelona whom have the money to add depth and quality to the squad but prefer blooding in new homegrown or abroad young talents. All teams have a main set up (backbone) in which your best players fit this mould. In our case our backbone is normally reina, skrtel, agger,Lucas, gerrard, Suarez. In a system where you blood in new young talents your supposed to mix them in with the backbone of the team, like we are doing at the moment with the likes of sterling, suso, wisdom and shelevy. Barca do the same thing as do Dortmund and arsenal. (Take notice that I'm not talking about the STYLE of play, I'm talking about the SYSTEM) now with this system you have youngsters that come from an acedemy that must be successful like ours is. You have players like flannagon, spearing, Morgan, coady etc who you first have to test with first team action to see if they are good enough for the first team. If they are not then you sell them to lower division teams or put them out on loan. Then there are certain players that you test in the first team and notice that they are good enough and have potential to either become key players to the success of the club or big money sales. Certain players like suso, sterling, shelevy, Kelly, wisdom, Robinson and potentially yesil fit this bill. In process of performing a process like this your club should not be in debt and have an relatively average wage bill that's maintainable. From sales and sponsor budget allocations you form a reasonable transfer kitty every summer, to buy more youngsters or first team players that can upgrade the backbone of the team. This is a cotinuous cycle so you need a manager that's on board with this and can relate to your ideas all the time. This manager will need to be in charge for a while so things become stable and a team can eventually mould together. If you are a champions league team it become a bonus and you'll always be able to stay on top of your team but there needs to always be an understanding between manager and owners (prime example is after the 08-09 season this was lacking between American owners hicks and gillete whom had very little knowledge about the sport and rafael Benitez). If this understanding is breached then expect it to effect the teams performances. It is an even larger task when a club is in transition and are not currently in the position they want to be (4th spot and financially). You are starting from the bottom working upwards not the other way round. Now after that essay, here's what I think our team should, could and would be with the right ideas and luck. Two teams in which one play the more important matches (liverpool A - EPL) and one play the least important matches (liverpool B - Europa and domestic cups). This system has proven to work for a lot of Spanish teams and the Spanish national team. England should follow suite but the FA won't allow it.
On paper this is a great team...eventually after it has been moulded together and played at least a season
Liverpool A:
-------------------reina-----------------
Johnson----skrtel----agger----Enrique
------------------Lucas-----------------
-----------Sahin-------Allen------------
Sturridge-------Suarez-------mertens
Subs: butland, Coates, Kelly, shelvey, gerrard, assaidi, Patrick-emrik
Liverpool B:
-----------------butland-----------------
Kelly-----wisdom----Coates---Robinson
---------Henderson--shelvey------------
-------------------suso-------------------
Sterling------Patrick-emrik------assaidi
Subs:gulasci, skrtel, Johnson, Lucas, gerrard, Suarez, yesil
I know, I know...fifa is fun sometimes. But if that actually where to happen we would be producing great talent for England. Liverpool B are a very young squad with 7 English players that will eventually be full internationals. Most of them will form the new cycle of liverpool A backbone. This can be achieved over a season period from this January (jan 12-13 till jan 13-14).
New players would be: sturrige (jan 12-13 for £12mill), nuri Sahin (permanent summer 13-14 for £14 mill) dries mertens (summer 13-14 for £12 mill), Patrick- emrik (jan 13-14 for £10 mill...hoping he's still at saint ethiene) and finally jack butland (jan 13-14 for £8 mill...again hoping he's still at Birmingham).
All these players bought from the end of the season sponsor budget along with the sales of the following players:
Sold players would be: downing (jan 12-13 for £6mill), cole (jan 12-13 for £2mill), doni (jan 12-13 for £0.5mill), Carroll (summer 13-14 for £12mill...realistic price), spearing (summer 13-14 for £2mill), Pacheco (summer 13-14 for £2mill), brad jones (jan 13-14 for £0.5 mill) and fabio borini (jan 13-14 for £6mill...he will not come good in my opinion).
Loans include: Jon flannagon, Conor coady, Adam Morgan
Retirements: Jamie carragher (defencive coaching staff lfc)
All very possible, weather it happens is unlikely. These ideas came to me after playing a few seasons of fifa 13 I admit (fifa syndrome) but I tried maintaining a realistic state of mind. Enjoy reading this essay
I think you alluded to a sort of 'B-team' system within the full league system. We've just had the U-21 league introduced, which should serve to bridge the gap in competitive football between the academy/reserves and the first team.
Dowling will not be going anywhere for under 10million minimum. carroll will not go anywhere for under 18million unless he gets injured but if he has a good season it will be 20million. borini is here to stay guy has 6 games and you wright him off.
You won't convince Sturridge to play on the wing. I know he's played, and still plays there, but i feel he wouldn't sign for a club unless he was assured of a CF spot, which would suit him WAY more than out wide, much like Borini
If you had stopped just before the "now after that essay..." I would have liked your post. I agrre with maintaining a core unit and blooding youngsters in with experienced players.
YNWA! (Adam)
05 Nov 2012 19:53:35
i cant believe some fans on here , assaidi is a quality player and your all saying he should be 2nd or 3rd choice , when ive watched him he has done the right things with the ball and his dribbling skill is up their with the best , i think the only reason some of you dont think he is that good is because he has not played enough , i think he would be one of the buys of the season if he played week in week out
Assaidi has talent, but is extremely unpredictable. While that's good for taking on defenders it's also very hard to make run's as an attacker, when you have no idea when he'll actually pass the ball. He often over does it too often, resulting in a weak cross when he's off balance.
I'm not saying he won't come good and maybe all he needs is game time. But right now to me, he's a good squad player but nothing more.
Papa G
I agree. Would have been great to see him playing in some league games. Not sure why BR hasn't played him, cus he signed him!
Nick
05 Nov 2012 19:50:02
If Barca dont need an out and out striker why do we.
We just need the right mix of attack minded midfielders in the team and a strong defence and i think we are halfway there
TC YNWA
2 words. Lionel. Messi.
05 Nov 2012 20:18:45
we are not barcelona.
ACHILLES.
Luis. Suarez.
They have finishers, all over the pitch who are comfortable when faced with the whites of the goalies eyes. for 15 yrs we have only had 1 or 2 tops in continual squads of 30 that this has applied to.
AND we also don't get enough bodies in the box.
When Suarez scores 75+ goals in a season, i'll admit that he can do the same job as Messi. Suarez is world class, but Messi is on another planet to everyone in world football.
We have our messi hes called luis and yes we are no Barca we are Liverpool and we can do it with the right belief from fans and board.
And we to can have finnishers all over the park IN TIME
TC YNWA
We do not play in La Liga
06 Nov 2012 00:29:16
Tc mate Barca are in different planet in short they have deffenders(pique) that who can dribble and pass 2-3 players which amazes me.where in our squad we have only 1-2
06 Nov 2012 00:43:49
When Suarez scores 75+ goals in a season, i'll admit that he can do the same job as Messi. Suarez is world class, but Messi is on another planet to everyone in world football.
_______________________________________________
Mate no one can be compared to messi but the statistic you showed are pointless. When Cristiano was playing for united in Epl he never scored more then 30 goals but in spain his scoring more then 65+goals and has won pachichi award more then 3-4 times
05 Nov 2012 19:43:54
January window:
Eriksen 18 million
Lewandowski 20 million
Outs: downing 7 million
Henderson 8 million
Enrique 6 million
Cole 1 million
Spearing 3 million
Carrol 17 million
That would leave us to only requiring sahin in the summer plus a left back but Johnson has done well there and Robinson will be ready.
By the way I know I'm dreaming. However I think we will be pleasantly surprised in January but probably not that surprised.
............reina
Kelly skrtel Agger Johnson
........lucus sahin
.........eriksen
Suarez lewandowski sterling
Suarez would have a free role
Subs: gerrard
Coates
Wisdom
Robinson
Assasidi
Suso
Borini
Allen
Shelvey plus a few kids that have stepped up.
A dreamer.
Stop with the unrealistic ins already!
Lewandowski, as a ready made talent, will go to one of the big 4 IF he comes to England, and Erikssen wants to play in Spain.
Even if he did decide to come to England, do you really think he'd jeopardise his promising career path by going to a team that won't be in CL for the foreseeable future, and isn't likely to be challenging for the title for considerably longer?
Reality check people!
Who exactly are the big 4 in England? Are we not one of them? My god you people put your own team down and have the audacity to call yourself fans! The reality is all recent financial issues aside there are only 2 truly big clubs in England and we are one if them! Why would any player not want to join Liverpool??! 18 league titles! 5 European Cups! You're an person if you honestly believe we won't be competing again in the near future! We are too big a club with too much glorious tradition and history not to. We'll get the quality in and Brendan will lead us back to the top of the European game where we belong! BELIEVE!!! YNWA
Ramirez went to Southampton. You do know that people inside the club don't share that kind of attitude to targets.
YNWA - you're the sort of optimistic, unquestioning, head in the clouds dreamer, that owners and managers of clubs love, aren't you. You also sound about 10 mate.
Deal with the reality - top players around the world, unless by some stroke of luck they were brought up as Liverpool fans, have absolutely no incentive to come to Liverpool ahead of City, Utd, Chelsea, if they do decide to come to England. Then there's about another 10 or so clubs in Europe that they'd look at ahead of us.
We can't keep trading on our history - that means nothing to anyone else except fans.
Dearie dearie me - I'd love to live in your little fluffy cloud balloon mate.
05 Nov 2012 19:32:15
Just done a few calculations and if you take Robin Van Persie's goals and assists out of Man United's results then they would be 14 points worse off. Not just us and Suarez then... {Ed052's Note - That would put them in the relegation zone surely?!}
But someone else would have been playing, and would have surely scored some of the goals, and the games would be different for example if RVP hadn't scored agaisnt arsenal and it was 1-0 there is no way utd would have conceded the late goal, the ref would have blown for full time early!
Yeh but the difference is they can replace van persie with rooney, hernandez, welbeck etc.
Who can we replace suarez with?
jak
05 Nov 2012 19:27:29
if someone offered the team 25MM pounds for Sterling and you were the manager, would you take it? I'm not sure but I think I might.
Lee
Great money for a 17 y/o but what will he be worth in 5 years? But good to see you want to sell our best players!
LeeWils
He will be worth a lot more than that in a few years.
RS is not a finisher.
All the best were finishers from the day they were introduced. Rooney, Owen etc.
Sterling is lightweight and goes down easily. Not comparable to either of the former two. But better than Walcott, because he is currently much cheaper. Bring in Walcott and you just duplicate Sterling with attitude.
don't talk up young RS too much. he is only thrust out there before he was developed due to managerial shortfall. If he gets worn out by 21 we'll know who to thank. Jmac
05 Nov 2012 19:09:28
If we got a central striker would Suarez go on the wing? I think he would be more effective coming in off the wing.
Redmanluka
Said this for years, 9 times out for 10, he receives the ball wide anyway, but we'll be able to give him an option in the box. Borini will do, get him in front of goal instead of out wide and he'll prove his worth in time.
Red7.
05 Nov 2012 19:01:48
Here is my team after January:
----------------Reina-----------------
--Kelly----Agger------Skrtel--Johnson-
---------Lucas---------Allen----------
---------------Gerrard----------------
Sterling---------------------------Suso
----------------Suarez----------------
Basically, what i'm trying to say is that if all our players are fit, there is no room to accommodate a striker. So I think that Brendan will go for a Borini type guy again, So that there is cover for Suarez. I mean, imagine Lucas freeing up the attackers, and both full- backs fit....
Piledriver
No need to accomadate your input then.
Would like to see this team
....................Reina...................
Gerrard...Skyrtel....Agger..Johnson
...................Lucas....................
.........Sahin..............Allen..........
......Suarez..Huntelar...Walcott....
kidmillions
Lucas isnt going to come back and save our season, hes a centre mid. What really would get us winning games would be a goalscorer that has to be the priority. Jdog
Im not saying that I don't think we should buy anyone, but the rumored players are Huntelaar, Hooper and Walcott. Only Walcott can switch in the front 3, and I think he is unlikely.
Piledriver
05 Nov 2012 18:41:00
Bin told were looking at Wilfred bony in January, 24 years old likend to drogba...
05 Nov 2012 12:47:40
Ed's, what's the latest with Udinese's Pablo Armero? I know we watched him when Kenny was in charge, just wondered if there was still any interest, especially with the rumours that Rodgers may be looking to bring in a new LB.
Thanks in advance. {Ed002's Note - There is no interest from Liverpool right now as far as know.}
05 Nov 2012 18:44:43
i am a happy fan ! there i said it . I like that we are starting from scratch and in most of the games i have watched i have been very excited to see our youngsters play so well and Brendan,s style be effective . Yes its only in spells of the game for now and yes we need goals but we can buy goals in the window and bulk the defence. i feel that finishing has been our problem and that is all i ever hear or read so clearly everyone feels the same . if we improve that then we start winning and the youngsters mature we have good times ahead . Lets be honest did anyone relay think we would win the league this year as my brother Brendan has said all along its a work in progress ,but what a foundation we have
Buck Rodgers
Spot on buck! Few more ups & downs along the way,but just love the way the young lads are coming through,looking forward to Lucas returning & for those slating joe Allen really? The lad is class! Y.N.W.A jft96
Paisley's genius
At the start of the season it would have been foolish from anyone to expect us to be top 4 (people within the club board should take note) and madness of anyone to have expected the league trophy.But we need to be in the Europa places, because without Europe we would loose few solid bricks from that foundation you are talking about.
Roy
This year I watch games when we are down and believe it possible to come back even in the last 5 minutes. Last year and the one before watching down a goal with 45 minutes on the clock was self-harm.
- Logic
05 Nov 2012 18:20:10
Hopefully we will sign 3 strikers in Jan
-Huntellar
-Gary Hooper
-Darren Bent
-Theo Walcott
-Llorente
-Lewis Holtby
-Zaha
-Demba Ba
-Praet
-Sturridge
-Isco
-Redmond
-Drogba
-Papis Cisse
FOR ME IT WOULD BE
-HUNTELAR -6M
-HOOPER-7M
-CISSE- 14M
WHICH 3 WOULD YOU CHOOSE
PLEASE ANSWER I AM REALLY INTERESTED TO KNOW PEOPLES THOUGHTS
LTP {Ed052's Note - Huntelaar, Llorente and Isco IMO}
Firstly I do not think we need 3 strikers, and secondly some of the people on that list aren't even strikers like Holtby, Praet, Isco, Redmond and debatebly Zaha and Walcott.
Out of all those you would pick hooper and cisse?
My 3 would be:
Llorente
Walcott
Demba Ba
Walcott, Llorente and Bent for me especially as a couple on your list aren't even strikers
Chris in Tamworth
I think Walcott would click for us,would take holtby & Redmond I know they're wingers but they fit our demographic age wise,price wise,think they have finishing ability & could play up front,& Tiherry Henry started as a winger & after initial difficulties adapted brilliantly (not saying either area as good as Henry just that is a valid idea)
Paisley's genius
Llorente, Wallcott, Huntelaar.
Red raj
For me it would be walcott ,zaha , redmond , all you and all brought up with the english style of play plus the are also very quick , i think BR will go for 1 striker and more midfielders and maybe a left back / wing back , he's using henderson at right wing back
No brainer for me spend the money on just 2 players who 100% fit the bill to get goals alongside Suarez and that would be Huntelar and Walcott
kidmillions
Dont know how people want llorente, like a spanish andy carroll.. clearly hardly ever watch him play
Walcott would do thanks
To the person slating Lorrente:
It's probably you who doesn't watch him. Being tall doesn't mean you have no skill, are slow, etc. (like Andy Carroll). Lorrente would offer a whole lot more than Carroll because he has better movement (Carroll has virtually none), is faster, good with his feet. He is pretty much a complete forward.
Out of the list, the 3 strikers I'd want us targetting (doesn't necessarily mean all would be coming) would be Huntelaar, Llorente and Walcott.
Front 3 of:
Suarez Lewandowski Walcott
That would be nice.
05 Nov 2012 18:12:43
Its really is a pity we didn't bring in a top klass striker in the summer, we would have destroyed quite a few of the teams we have faced so far in the league.
gee man {Ed052's Note - I see what you have done there, thats quite good actually!! haha}
I think we will buy one in "Jan" and "Hunt" the teams down for goals.
AJ
When have Liverpool ever destroyed anyone? There a dog of a team.
AJ what an err your ma-lar-key seems to be.
05 Nov 2012 18:06:00
Hi Ed! Is there any chance of signing Antoine Griezmann? He plays for the Real Sociedad and he is doing very well.
RedFromTheBasqueCountry {Ed052's Note - Not at this time}
05 Nov 2012 17:57:19
Just heard Brendan Rodgers press conference after the match yesterday and he says we were 'outstanding'. Well I'm afraid he does not set his sights very high.
As an Everton fan i thought Liverpool played well and Newcastle scored totally against the run of play.
He's slowly building up the players confidence, I have a feeling he's a good man manager and once he gains complete trust of the players we will start seeing some consistent performances... that's just my opinion.
Its amazing that an evertonian saw more positives about our game than a red, and is open to give a real analysis. top man
Yeah! I think brendan should call a press conference where he slags everyone & everything off (a bit like some of the people on here) & just watch the confidence sky rocket!! Thats the way surely? Because we all like a good slagging in our own day to day lives don't we?
Paisley's genius
05 Nov 2012 17:55:19
Its official: we are just a one man team. Without Suarez we are nothing ... fact.
There is no such thing as a one man team ... fact
Agree that Suarez has been outstanding but didn't we used to say we are a one man team about SG and then FT . Why can't we give other players credit . I think SG is still playing well but because he isn't scoring screamers people are doubting his quality ? What about Agger skyrtel Lucas sterling suso Allen Johnson pepe . Think you would find most of them would get into most of the top teams in the prem . Give others credit too cos if it wasn't for them Suarez wouldn't get the chance to score . Support is supporting not slating
YNWA
I'm tempted to change my sign off name to Fact.
Fact.
Yep, it is Suarez who made saves, man marked their strikers out of the game, owned the midfield and knocked the long ball that he controlled to finish. Yep...Fact..yep..good one.
Andy K
Argentina 1986= one man team
05 Nov 2012 17:51:40
Why does everyone want Hunterlaar?
He's failed to live up to the hype at both Madrid and Milan while age isn't on his side, seems a gamble to me.
At this point, can we really be picky?..
Maybe because he had a very good partnership with suarez at ajax , were they scored over a 100 goals between them , its just a guess though
He's a proven goalscorer who's previously played successfully alongside Suarez as for age he's 29 the same as rvp.
He's also stated quite recently he feels he's a late developer and has not yet hit his peak. So no brainer for me at the prices being muted.
kidmillions
05 Nov 2012 17:35:02
Whilst I'm not entirely thrilled with our league position either, some of the moaning on here is pretty insane. What right do Liverpool have to claim a top four spot for our own? Those spots are earned and we can groan all we want about the refs, or Brendan, or Gerrard but the reality is we have a very young squad at the moment that simply isn't to that level. Deal with it and support them rather than complaining and perhaps the results will follow. Even if they don't, does it really matter? Are you going to abandon the club for another?
In my opinion, the league in general this season is much more competitive than I can remember for a long, long while. Frankly Spurs haven't been great and the likes of Chelsea, City, and many others normally near the top half of the table, although getting slightly better results, are either underperforming or perhaps not very good either (depending on your point of view). I suspect that these days that the difference between a 5M, 15M, and 25M player is not nearly as big as many make it out to be and I think what we're going to see at the end of the season is a relative few chasing for the title with a whole lot of clubs very close to each other point-wise in the 5-15 slots.
What are you rambling on about?
With hope in our hearts , its our asperations for sucess with out any of this we are not liverpool fc . red mick tag
Mate im not normally this blunt but Carrol is pants, what good would he be at the club? He doesn't add to the team and is a liability off the field. It was better to have him off the wage bill.
Yes the results are not going our way but can you not see weve dominated nearly every team played in the prem! Would you agree? Brendan has got us playing this way!
The blatant lack of a forward is something that will be addressed and once this is done in January i believe you will be eating your words in the second half of the season!
Sorry lads was meant for the post below!
05 Nov 2012 16:57:23
the results are just not good enough and if you so called real fans cannot see it and want to stand by a manger that is going to do nothing then that sums you up. i hate having a go at br or the owners but this is not good enough and i cant see it getting any better. for all what some of you say on here about taking time its not going to happen surely you can see it. br starts a new season with one foward and buys a so called foward that cant hit a barn door. where is the senes in that. as for allen i do rate him and he will improve as time gos on. br problem was he was too quick to let carroll go before giving him a go or even keeping him as a option and why is that because he only has one way he wants his teams to play and never has a back up plan and that is why it is not going to work for him at lfc. you need options in your squad and we dont have them. by jan we could be in real trouble things are not looking good at the moment. by now we should of put a string of wins together. the worst thing is we are not playing bad football but just cant win. i think his time is running short at the club i cant see how we can keep going like this. in football time is not on your side and it is all about results and they just are not going for him.
I am so sick of Andy Carroll, for god's sake he is not here anymore, get over it. Even when he was here, he had plenty of opportunities and didn't score! My god you would think the way people talk about him that we loaned out Falcao with no replacement.
Lee
Does anyone know if West Ham actually have to buy Carroll? Cause unless something drastically changes and he actually scores I can see him coming back when the loan is over... {Ed052's Note - They dont have to buy him no. We cannot force someone to take him at all, unfotunately :/}
05 Nov 2012 16:54:45
I for one think Allen is a gem of a buy. The lad is a class act. He is trying to cover the role usually filled by Lucas and its his 1st season with us. All of the persons on here who spout of about costing too much and being a waste of money....well how about you try and support him and give him TIME to settle in. Remember all the stickyou people gave Lucas, hang your heads in shame because now your crying out for his return. Same will happen with Allen. I cant help thinking with 'fans' like some who post their tripe on here who the hell would want to sign for us in the 1st place! To all the true fans who are supporting what Brendan and the lads are doing, with some nice additions to the squad in Jan we will finish off the teams we been dominating and positive support always helps
For £16m I expect better.
I think you can only truly appreciate Joe Allen if you watching from the stand, the few games I went to , he was very impressive, he makes a lot of runs and makes himself available as an outlet for the pass. TV coverage does n't do him any justice, you dont get to see his true contribution.
Saying that he need to start making more forward passes, most of the time he opts for the simple 5 yards where he should be taking more risks and trying a long forward ball, We may all complain about Gerrard, but he still has this ability to spot and execute an excellent defense splitting passes.
I also wont compare Allen with Lucas of 2/3 years ago, Lucas was less than half the price and few years younger. But I would compare the 16m spent on Allen to that spend on Henderson and we all know which is more value for money.
Roy
For £16m I expect better.
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What Downing, Henderson and Carroll better!
05 Nov 2012 16:51:34
Walcott is not the person we need, he is not a proven goal scorer and would be a waste of money. We need is a goal scorer such as huntelaar
If we could get him for 5-6m he'd be a very good addition
05 Nov 2012 16:44:47
I'd hope the club have a short list of the below for January.
T. Walcott. Last 6 months of deal.
D. Sturridge. Last 6 months of contract.
F. Llorente. Last 6 months of contract.
K.J. Huntelaar. Last 6 months of contract.
L. Barrios. In dispute with Chinese club and could leave for a low fee.
M. Zarate. Not wanted at club, and would accept a nominal fee for him.
Surely we would consider all of these. Value for money wise they would all be available for a reasonable fee in january.
Jonesred
None of them are coming
05 Nov 2012 16:22:24
at current we are very fortunate to have luis suarez, had he left in the summer we would have struggled to sign someone of his calibre, surely he is our best source of scoring and attracting possible other top players to sign an build again. it would be nice if other players in the team squad would grow a pair, instead of expecting him to do everything. come on boys your playing for liverpool, not (with all due respect ) a mid table team. have some pride about your work and put in a shift. imo jan we need two top strikers, left back and top class box to box midfielder, also get rid of cole, downing, hendo, and maybe enrique.
05 Nov 2012 16:19:12
Just in case anyone was wondering the music at the end of episode six of Being:Liverpool was 'Be ready when I say go.' by the Emperors.
05 Nov 2012 16:03:35
All theses people wanting Torres back and asking questions. Does nobody think he's going back to athletico as part of the Falcao Deal or is that just me? Chelsea have made it known they want Falcao who is a no.9 and even though they're loaded they're not going to pay the full asking price when they can just use Torres's value as a makeweight?
Very possible
It just makes a Ton of Sense To me
05 Nov 2012 15:32:55
hi eds reds just been watching ssn interview with german football reporter talking about lewis haltby saying he wants to come to liverpool and to play for england instead of germany , but maybe not for a couple of years what do you think eds? steviep62. {Ed052's Note - I think it would be very unlikely. FIrstly, he has better options than Liverpool and we may not hold that much interest, if any. And I should not think he will play for England. He has played for the German ''first team'' already (although only friendlies so he can play for England I belive}
There are no better options than lfc fact
Ok ed thanks for the answer. if you could pick a player for us to sign in january , who would make a big difference to us who would you pick? within reason of course. thanks steviep62. {Ed052's Note - Walcott}
05 Nov 2012 13:39:42
Hi eds, I know most on here are realistic in what our club could atually attract in terms of players. However considering our position and actual investment into the side by the owners last summer do you think we could see bids for Suarez over January. He is clearly our best player and others can see his worth in our side and with our lack of funds others might look to take advantage. Do you think FSG would jump at the chane of selling him if a good bid came in?
I don't want to see him go but we all know the good players want CL and we clearly don't have the resources to get the personnel in to get there, our few good players will want to leave no? {Ed052's Note - I think it would depend on how much we could get for him, and possible replacements}
05 Nov 2012 16:11:11
So here we go again, our so called fans are it again.
Personally i think were fantastic, i know, u want what ive been smoking, but the truth is . just for a second, put everything aside a look at what weve been doing, newcastle couldnt wait to get off the field yesterday, the moment that whistle went they were jumping for joy, the fact that we didnt buy a prolific striker in the summer may just be the best thing to ever happen to us, were playing so well and we can see exactly what we need and where.
i will say this again, in a very longtime we are drawing and losing but im happy, because for the first time i think we have a mission,we look like we know what were doing.
hate him all u like , but i love him more than any player at the moment, just when u think Suarez couldnt possibly suprise u, he just pulls off that piece of magic, i wouldnt swap him for anything, the guy literally terrorises defenders, they are afraid to even touch him........................................
watch the space, the Liverbird is rising from the ashes.........................
LFC till the day I die
Newcastle fan here. We had our top scorer went off injured. We had our two midfielders went off injured and we had our captain sent off. No wonder we were jumping for joy. (We still had chances to win in though.) By the way Suarez is a great player but the rest of them? I was there and it is probably the worst Liverpool side I have seen for a long time and the atmosphere is awful. You need to support your players and the team and not have a go at them like most supporters were doing.
I'm with you friend!
So we have a mission ¦ yes mission impossible! Too many bad players and a manager who is way out of his depth.
Newcastle are as good as there ever going to be with no improvement left. They peaked last season. LFC on the other hand are improving fast and the sky is the limit.
kidmillions
05 Nov 2012 20:00:39
@newcastle fan, you still had 2 strikers on the pitch after demba ba came off(you should thank your stars you've got more than 1 to use) we haven't and demba ba was poor before he went off apart from his defensive headers anyway.
aside from the goal which came from inept defending(enrique) i never felt like nufc would score again if i'm really honest, felt you was really compact, defensive and was happy with a draw.
as for your midfielders, anita going into centre midfield and replacing perch actually made you more solid as he looks like a better player in that position so a poor excuse really.
on to the worse lfc side you've seen for a while? you obviously must be a joker because it was 100 times better performance than the 3-0 mauling you gave us at st james's park last year, then again you probably only came on here to have a dig when some of us are actually educated lfc fans and can remember when lfc have played much much worse.
we're not there yet at lfc, many of us are aware of that but i don't think your team has moved on either since last year if i'm honest. i think you will struggle to get anywhere near last year's position.
s.p
05 Nov 2012 15:28:07
The Joe Allen situation. He is a good player but he is definately not a £16m player. Once again we have paid over the odds.
He is playing DM due to Lucas being injured. Wait till Lucas is back, so we can play Allen in his proper position.
We need to quit buying players that aren't available. Allen, Borini, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, to some degree Adam were all over the odds because their previous clubs weren't under any pressure to sell them really.
I actually disagree. He's a quiet player, but he's tidy and does his job. Okay fair enough he's not worth ridiculous amounts of money, but we haven't wasted it. We've invested in a player that we can use for the next 10 years. And if he improves his game even more, I think he'll definitely be worth the money. Look at United, they have some quiet players that wouldn't sell for much but put in a good shift for the team and works well with everyone else. That's what LFC need, and I think that's what we're getting with BR.
Thanks,
Ell.
Are they expensive? Allen is a class act and is already establishing himself as a big player for us. He has the potential to become out Iniesta he is that good. {Ed052's Note -
Wrong
Paisley's genius
Allen for next 10 years?..said the same statement wen we purchased henderson for 16 mill..
what piece of crap...we are actually finding difficult to find a buyer..
05 Nov 2012 18:30:24
I would'nt say iniesta more a xavi cause iniesta has some insane skills where xavi plays tidy football like allen.
"Allen is a class act and is already establishing himself as a big player for us. He has the potential to become out Iniesta he is that good"
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This must 've been posted by Brendan, he just forgot to add the Suarez as good as Messi.
Allen is a decent player, but Iniesta was magical even at 21 (and always looked like a 40 years old)
Roy
Roy, do you realise Rodgers didn't even mention messi? He simply said Suarez plays the false 9 role, bbc then decided that meant he was our messi.
RedPJ
05 Nov 2012 15:22:35
I think we should keep downing.... once we sign a decent striker, downing will be one of the players who can grab himself some assists
I never knew you posted on here, Stewart.
05 Nov 2012 16:12:52
I think he is a decent enough squad player. Would never have subbed him on before Assaidi, but if someone is injured he would be a decent enough stand in. We paid enough for him which we will never make back on him, so makes sense to keep hold of him.
Im not too sure. Downing seems void of any confidence and has really struggled to put 2 good performances together. I would hazard a guess that he along with Cole would be one of the next out the door.
The Irish Rover
Stick him at left back because enrique is terrible.
05 Nov 2012 17:40:52
I feel a bit sorry for Downing tbh.
He put the best cross of the game in when he came on and Shelvey fudged the header, so it's another day in the PL without an assist (although I think he has 4 in the Europa this year). He was one of our frequent post-hitters last season too. Seems to be his lot at the club, when he does get something right nothing good comes out of it, so no one notices.
I understand that Rodgers preferring to use players that he definitely wants long-term (Suso, Borini when he was fit, Assaidi to a lesser extent), but if I were him I'd actually give Downing more game time in the PL since we're 'stuck' with him until January at least to see can he fight for his place.
- Something Red -
Any money we could make on Downing would have to be spent to offload Cole, unfortunately.
Reality is we have very little of value left to sell. Agger, Skrtel, Suarez, and Reina are the only players I think we could maybe get 10M+ for.
Stick him at left back because enrique is terrible.
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Yeah but the pass from Enrique to Suarez for the goal was super.
Roy {Ed052's Note - It was about his 10th go at hoofing it forward thouhg}
05 Nov 2012 15:17:24
Liverpool cut £500,000 per week from the wage bill but henderson, downing, Doni (who?) and Cole represent another £200,000- £250,000 p/w so if offers come in expect them to leave, and for way less than people will be happy with.
We over spent on transfer fees and wages recently and Rodgers is looking to get the club viable without player sales. We still dont have masses of Money and the January transfer window offers little value.
Walcott would fit in but 10million+ for a player who could leave for nothing could mean we gamble and wait to pay the wages in the summer unless cole moves in Jan,
Loans are also possible, expect more moves like Assaidi (quiet and low cost)
I'm thinking a loan deal or two.
I hope that if this is the route we take, that they will be of the quality that we need?
I just can't see fsg being held to ransom by over inflated transfer fees in January.
but of course if the right player at the correct price is available i would expect fsg to go all out to get him.
Phooey...
05 Nov 2012 14:39:25
To all those moaners who come on here and write such utter garbage, you're not LFC fans. You might even think you are, maybe imagine you want whats best for the club but you don't. You are clowns, pure and simple. Your negative rationale is non-existent, your constant whining and complaining is short sighted at best, personic in general.
Liverpool are in transition, obviously. The style of play is pleasing on the eye and a blind man could tell you we need a goal scorer...BUT in general BR has things moving forward. Time is all that's needed, and FSG will give him that. In a year or so this Liverpool side will be challenging at the very top. The youngsters have the potential to be genuine world beaters, Suarez is playing out of his skin, Joe Allen has been a fantastic signing despite the big girl tears of the wasters and part-time football followers who pollute this site with their drivel. If we signed Messi, they'd find a fault in it - oh, he's overrated, oh, we should have bought Ronaldo instead - but there you go. The true LFC fans are recognised worldwide for their knowledge; some of the muppets who post on here are cringe worthy, embarrassing buffoons.
Flagg
Joe Allen has been fantastic? Are you having a laugh? Remember he cost £16m, yes £16m!!
"some of the muppets who post on here are cringe worthy, embarrassing buffoons" - takes one to know one Flagg.
Best post in ages mate, the site has became so boring with all the moaning, I dont think all these post are form liverpool fans to be honest.
Scottybhoy 1888 ynwa
Nicely delivered sir, post of the day
Transition since 2009...what a joke.
we had money and we bought rubbish..
and we call for an excuse..we are in transition..
some said rome wasnt built in a day
would like to know actually how many years it took to built rome..
coz we had already 4 years passed by
Remember he cost £35m, yes £35m!
Remember he cost £20m, yes £20m!
I could go on.
05 Nov 2012 14:24:46
People make me laugh on this site saying we should go for Lewandowski for around £20m. Do you really think players of this calibre are going to come to a team who will not be in the champions league? Also people say we should offload Cole, Enrique, Downing, Henderson etc. - who will buy these players who are on long contracts and huge wages. Get real please.
What does a long contract have to do with anything.. {Ed007's Note - It has to do with the money that a club has to pay a player over a certain length of time. The longer the contract the more money a club has to pay a player.}
I thought 4th was a long way off at the start of the season, but looking at how poor our 4th place rivals have been, its realistic if we get 2 really good strikers in Jan. weve won 2 games and where only 6 points off 4th. Tells you everything.
I thought 4th was a long way off at the start of the season, but looking at how poor our 4th place rivals have been, its realistic if we get 2 really good strikers in Jan. weve won 2 games and where only 6 points off 4th. Tells you everything.
05 Nov 2012 13:55:10
Afternoon all
Gotta say was pretty fed up with yesterdays game, playing possession and pretty football is all well and good but Goals win games, totally dominated first half and went in 0-1, played well again second and a Suarez wonder goal earned a draw, BR please please buy at least 2 strikers I just hope Suarez doesn't get injured, I am not a whinging LFC fan I am a massive fan and am sad to say that losing ruins my weekend (ask the poor wife) I am a glass half full person just need some wins boys and must convert more chances.
Jim
The same happend with the inder 21s against wolves and pacheo got moved into the strikers role and we ended up winning 5-1 , whats the difference , mavbe its pacheo , but we wont know untill BR does the same
05 Nov 2012 13:54:27
Everyone is talking about getting Huntelar, I personally cannot see him as a BR type of player.
He is not one for tracking back and defending from the front, his work rate is quite poor BUT he is a proven goal scorer, and we might be able to get him on the cheap.
So I don't know if he would be the solution or if we would be better to get someone who is more dynamic and can defend from the front.
Does it really matter if he tracks back or not? We need someone to PUT THE BALL IN THE BACK OF THE GODDAMN NET.' Why cant people understand this huh?
Indian Buzzer
05 Nov 2012 13:43:30
ve a chance of signing in jan? is walcott the answer if he refuses last offer from aresnal? he would be direct down the middle, can put the ball away , has great pace , owen like really but would that suit us? sturridge , good enough? attitude ? left footed , skilful could play to one side of central striker would he suit us? hooper second choice to walcott, huntelaar? would he be the right fit? or is there someone else who is a genuine target ? eds Macca? answer if possible please. godbless96 steviep62.
05 Nov 2012 13:33:22
I desperately want Fernando Torres at Liverpool, but not that one but Fernando Llorente Torres
Please do the smart for and go after Fernando Llorente. He is easily the most perfect and attainable option we have upfront.
Big, strong, and great on the deck at bringers others into play. Not a party boy like Carroll and most english players. Then we could move Suarez to the wing were he'd be more devastating, nutmegging all and sundry.
Eds, is there any interest in him?
sidenote: I wish I'd phoned to put a wager on him nutmegging 50 people this season. He is a genius at it.
Scuzz McBoob
I would put him up front with Suarez. 2 upfront with gerrard playing just behind them. I don't see Suarez having enough impact on the wing. But I also don't see us going for lloriente.
Couldn't agree more. If Suarez was out wide with someone whom he had a solid understand with on the inside he'd be very effective.
~Fresh
05 Nov 2012 13:32:01
Lets be honest how many of you guys would have paid 10 million for Borini , 15 million for Allen what a waste of money. Rodgers has won 2 games out of 10 that is unacceptable he's signings are a joke. Have you ever seen a player that cost 15 million who can't make a forward pass. 5 yard passes for all that money.Allen is lightweight, creates nothing ,don't look forward is lightweight he can't score all he can do is pass it sideways well my gran can do that.Liverpool have needed a quality forward for years one who knows where the net is and BR buy's Borini. Its a good thing he is injured because he is a pile of pooh.And why is Rodgers so happy with a draw he needs to go back to swansea if he likes getting one point at home. I can't see him getting 3 years of ticka crapa loosing games the owners need CL football because thats the only way they can afford Liverpool and with BR it has never looked so far away.
Sorry Mate. You are plain wrong. Joe Allen did not play well yesterday but he is quality. He will not be a matchwinner like Luiz and SG but he is an integral part of a team that tries to retain possesion. In fact according to OPTA he is the 11th best passer in the EPL. Borini is a bit harder to justify I agree but at least he does not walk around the pitch like a petulant teenager. If we had a proper goal threat in the Suso or Sterling position then I cannot help but think we would be a few points better off.
Pompey Red
05 Nov 2012 14:08:11
Personally i think Allen is worth every penny!
Borini has yet to justify his fee but he is young and has only played a few games.
Both under 23- give them a chance & some support would not go a miss
Igor Biscan
Op............. brain freeze
Quite agree. 10m for borini and £15m for Allen. Talk about Dalglish wasting money. Also note we only have 11 points from 10 games and we have played 6 at home for which we have won only 1. We are 6 points behind Everton. Not good enough Brendan.
Well done, clown post of the day. Your village is one person short, get back home quick
Lay off him will ya, this is exactly the kind of crap Lucas used to get...and look how he turned out!
look at the bigger picture. Allen is playing in an unusual role, DM, which although he is trying admirably to fill with effort and passion, it's not his thing. no doubt he knows how to pass but his current role does not allow any cutting edge forward passes, which i know he can deliver.
take the swansea game for example, at times it was him versus 3 swansea midfielders as shelvey, cole and then gerrard were going awol. how is is meant to pass it forward when he's chasing back?
Trust me, and i'm sure the ed's will agree, once Lucas is back in his role, you will see the real Joe allen, one who will become liverpools version of Xavi/iniesta.
sinner21
Does anyone want to translate this waffle for me. It's giving me a headache trying to decipher what he is rambling on about here.
I don't think he is 'happy' with getting a point, but he didn't want to be seen having a go at the players in public. That's my take on it anyway and he like us, knows we are thin on the ground and injuries aren't helping either. HIS squad and things will get better I'm sure, but will some fans give him that time? I waited two decades to see the glory days again, maybe others aren't quite so patient.
Keith
He's venting his frustration after Allen had two bad games on the trot. I like Allen but I'm not surprised to see this, we did pay 15mil on another centre mid when we were left thin in other areas.
I can remember reading that Borini was bought to bring through slowly, the plan was to have Dempsey but that went wrong. Give the lad a break I think he will come good, Rodgers has had no choice but to put him through quickly. Time will tell he has only been here a short time. I think we will see the bet from him in 1-2sasons just like the Lucas issue. We're building for the future, when sir Alex started it took him a while to get going. We're at the same point now. Just wait and gie Rodgers the time and I feel we will become great again. Jason h
05 Nov 2012 17:43:58
There really is no such thing as patience with fans these days, is there?
Kenny's signings weren't given a season (the criticism had started by Christmas) and now Rodgers aren't given half of one. Forget Lucas, these are the kind of people who would've wanted Aldo out the summer after he arrived (whilst Rushie was still at the club).
Allen's actually played well in my book and Borini can hardly be a stellar signing whilst he's on the treatment table with a broken foot.
- Something Red -
05 Nov 2012 13:20:16
heres something i think, if shelvey had scored the open goal moments after coming on as a sub, brendans management would have been great.
but unfortunatly he missed three opertunities, overlooking the fact BR got a sub on that got in the box.
still have faith in BR but roll on january
True. I am really not sure about Shelvey right now. I can see the potential but I think there is a lack of composuree.
I really don't see the potential in Shelvey that others see in him. I praise the effort but reminds me of a more advanced Jay Spearing.
05 Nov 2012 12:49:02
Rodgers is having a laugh! I think hes trying to ramp up Suarez's value for the January transfer window. To compare him with Messi really made me laugh out loud.
Messi is the total professional player, he is everything Suarez is not, The shame he brought not only to himself, his country and to Liverpool Football Club; he is very lucky to still to be making a living from football. Suarez is good on his day, and on his day he is a good player, this does not make him 'World Class'. I never realised Brendan was a comedian till now!! lol {Ed023's Note - He said Suarez plays a similar role to Messi. Didn't compare him at all}
Why post on these pages if you're not a Liverpool fan? Luis Suarez is a superb professional who is totally dedicated to his family, his club, his country and those of us who support him. If some of our other players had half of his talent and determination we would be a far better team. Perhaps in mentioning that Luis Suarez and Lionel Messi adopt similar roles for their respective clubs, Brendan Rodgers also had in mind the respective importance of the two players to their clubs.
Red Owl
What shame has he brought to his country then smartarse? He IS a world class player, and only a blind muppet would think otherwise.
To think Suarez isn't world class is the only thing that is laughable here.
BthekingB
Complete airhead, try listening next time.
I think you will probably find that he is Uraguayan national hero, and most Liverpool fans love him, and he is nothing but proud of everything that he has accomplished in the game. It is you who is shameful for eating up all the media driven cr*p that is spewed about him daily. I'm proud as hell that he plays in the team I love.
Nick
Well said Nick, its a shame that the media's character assassination has rubbed off to quite a few who like to call themselves Liverpool fans when the goings good. It takes a world class performance like yesterday for them stuck up muppets to forget for a short while. Suarez is a world class player no doubt, best and most entertaining thats come along er
in a long long time.
JohnBoy
Suarez didn't need the media to assassinate his character, he done that all on his own. The situation with Evra, not once but twice; and that was only in this country. He has had problems within his own country and in his time in Holland. You only have to look at him and he's rolling around on the floor grabbing his leg. the one thing he is not! is honest, one thing he is, is a cheat and that tag affects his and Liverpool's reputation not only here, but abroad as well.
05 Nov 2012 12:33:33
guys seriously you need to get a grip... all we are short of is a striker or two, if the owners give brendan a bit if cash to spend and we get a good finisher in then we will be fine. we create plenty of chances if we find a striker who gets a goal every other game then we have cracked it. its not brendans fault that we cmt get the ball in the net he knows what we are lacking, i just wish he had the cash kenny was given because i think we would be challenging for the title and i think thats realistic. we bought bad in that period and its simple as that but its gone and we have to give br time to put his own stamp on it and create his own side.
ian the red
Wouldnt give brendan anything, wasted 10m on borini, who is a championship player at best and 15m on allen who is worth around 6m
We created more chances than any other team last year,&every one knew then we needed apoacher ,agoal scorer ,its the same this year,&its like every year im sayen we just need 2r3 quality players &we wont be far of,then br gets allen yeh hes agood player but isnt agoal scorer &we didnt really need him he cost 15mil,then br gets borini,hes young &could come good but again doesant score enough,he cost 10mill .now if br hadve just went out &got atop drawer striker with that 25mill we would be in abetter position were in now ,& br keeps sayen weve athin squad em thats because he was the 1 that got rid of more players than he took in come on doesant make any sence ...IRISH RED
He did get rid of some players irish red but lets think about it, bellamy wanted to go home due to family issues which always come first, maxi wanted to go home, br wanted to keep him and openly admitted that he was the type of player he liked and kuyt left because kenny wouldnt play him and he wanted first team football and after six years of fantastic service you cnt deny him that. regarding allen he isnt playing in his natural position, he usually plays further forward and with lucas out its a good job we do have him because otherwise we would have no holding midfielder. borini needs to be given time hes 21 and will come good. to the poster in the middlekenny paid 35 for carroll and 16 for henderson so considering that, who represents the best value for money? your to negative, shankly won nothin in his first few seasons and look at how that turned out! success isnt instant its built over time, give br chance he will come good!
ian the red
05 Nov 2012 12:21:52
Eds,
-Heard Joe Cole,Downing,Danny wilson, Pacheco will be sold if buyer find. Hendo my go out on loan. Is it true? if so, then i reckon we can get another 10m+ from player sales.
-im sure we not gonna sign striker with price tag more than 15m in Jan. so apaart from Huntelaar, hooper, who else we can afford?
-it looks to me attacking mid/behind striker player also need new signing. Jonjo is developing but still not there yet in term of scoring from midfield.He for example got couple of scoring opportunity when playing against newcastle but failed. good opportunity to score but still failed. Illicic been linked. other name? maybe player from Eredevise?
thnx Eds & pls post.
Jimmy. {Ed023's Note - Walcott maybe? I am not sure for now and I don't even think BR has his targets set in stone yet. I just hope we have our new signing in the first week of the window, not the last week.
Players you have mentioned may move on -we just got to wait and see.}
05 Nov 2012 12:20:44
Well, I hope you all took notice of BR's words after the Newcastle game, about how he wants to bring in the right players "in the next few windows." He is here for the long term, and I for one am pleased with that and hope that the owners support him, stay alongside him and back him also. A bit of stability after the last few seasons will not go amiss, and he is definitely on the right track - with a forward or two on the pitch, the abundance of chances we are creating will result in more goals, and goals win games. I feel that this "judge after each and every game" or "after 10 games" etc is a load of pants. Let's see how the team performs when he has been able to sign some of his quality players (like Allen and Assaidi - both exciting players imo) and off-loaded the likes of Cole, Enrique and possibly Downing (1 decent cross and a couple of goals in the Europa is too little, too late.) Those of you that can't handle this and want your "quick fix" of success, please feel free to use the nearest exit and head on towards the Etihad/Stamford bridge. Thanks.
YNWA.
Fishyred
Could not agree more. Your words on downing are spot on, he just doesn't have it. When we have a 17 year old winger droping deep to get the ball and try and win the game while downing is pulling out of challenges or otherwise not involved that is a problem.
ri red
05 Nov 2012 11:44:33
Ed how do you feel about the possibility of acquiring the services of Robert Lewandowski? We could get him for around 19-21 mill, hes young, talented and a clinical finisher... {Ed023's Note - Chelsea were quoted much higher in the summer so I doubt it will happen}
05 Nov 2012 11:35:18
Ed, lots of unconfirmed rumours early summer about being interested in Susaeta and Muniain.
Were we ever actually interested?
Any chance we could be interested now?
Cheers pal
ToonRed {Ed023's Note - We were under Kenny. Not so sure now.}
Susaeta signed a new 5 yr deal recently.
BigD {Ed023's Note - Irrelevant. Torres signed a new deal before he left}
05 Nov 2012 12:02:41
10 games is usually regarded the required time before we starting judging a new manager were in the bottom half not good regardless of perfromances
By whom? You?
DM2012
Suarez is our only consistent performer, but I ask you this. Take him out the team and would it affect our results? I ask this because he wastes so many goal scoring opportunities, instead of looking up and picking a player out in better position to score, mostly he will blast it over, wide or to there keeper. No one else is scoring because they hardly ever get a chance to.
Suarez is good, but he's too greedy and the consequence of this, is the team suffers along with our results. I would not be to disappointed if we sell him in January, to fund a couple of half descent strikers and a winger. Then we might start winning games again.
So Suarez misses a lot of chances:
1) They're mostly chances that he has created himself
2) He is in a position to miss chances
3) Shelvey had three great chances and Sterling (after good work by Suarez) one yesterday and all went astray.
4) We should expect that Gerrard, Sahin or Downing also score but it isn't happening.
5) We should expect the occasional goal from defenders but it is not happening
I have always said that Suarez will score a lot of goals for Liverpool but it is time that the rest of the team gave him the support that he needs (and we fans as well).
Ben Terug
Suarez is greedy because when he sets up opportunities his team mates tend to miss them. Look at shelvey yesterday.
So Suarez sets up shelvey with an open goal and sterling through on goal and all they had to do was finish it and its his fault. Sterling is still not confident enough in front of goal and shelevy just panics. Youngsters still have a long road ahead of them, so we need at least one instant first teamer (striker) in jan.
Who would be scoring the goals and creating the chances and harrying defenders if Luis Suarez was sold or omitted or injured?
Red Owl
Excuse me? Suarez has to make his own chances. There is rarely someone waiting in the box to poke it in and when there is, they usually miss! Suarez is our only world class player and to say he doesn't have much of an impact on our results is beyond stupid.
BthekingB
I'm sorry to say but Suarez does waste a lot of our chances. The affect on the team, is that because that hardly get a chance to shoot, when they do they tend to fluff it up. Suarez is not the most consistent finisher and his averages are quite poor, ie shots to goals ratio, even shots being on target is not great. But he does create and if we keep him in January it will be to play behind a main striker, not as the striker himself. he will be far more affective in that role.
05 Nov 2012 11:30:25
{Ed002's Note - I would think that there is a very, very good chance that Sterling will sign a new contract in December.
Ed002, are you so sure Sterling will sign a new contract in December, as he'll be 18 then and so has to? Sorry to bring this up again, just was thinking about it last night!
Keith {Ed001's Note - he doesn't have to, but then he can sign one not restricted by his age.}
Thanks Ed.
Keith
05 Nov 2012 11:23:07
First I feel sahin needs to step up his game really he hasn't played well our last few matches..and why is rodgers being stubborn,he complains about our lack of fowards,at least have two young strikers on the bench rather than downing and carragher who have nothing to offer.when we are chasing games we don't need wingers and midfielders coming on who would never still attack the balls in the box??I love gerrard but his facial expression looks like that of a player who has given up..I feel hendo would be fantastic in the middle with joe allen though..and by the way no f***king way we should buy huntelaar..this guy failed in spain and italy..
I agree with most of this, but Downing did put a decent cross in that should have been put away by Shelvey, I think it was. I agree though, where were the 'strikers' on the bench, unless you class Assaidi as one?
Keith
I agree for the most part, especially about Henderson. I'd really like to see Henderson played in the holding role instead of Allan, who could push forward a bit more and control things for us higher up the pitch.
Gerrard needs to be played a bit more sparingly i feel, and Henderson isn't as bad as everyone is making out. The guy has a great engine on him, has a strong build and i'm sure could adapt into a dynamic holding midfield player if given the chance in the middle of the park.
For those who think i'm mad for even suggesting Hendo is played at all, you should remember how most fans felt about Lucas a few years ago. Now look how everyone is crying for him to be back from injury....and rightly so.
It just proves how long it takes to develop players of the right calabre from youngsters. Hendo is still young, it is a squad game afterall and for me, he's a good squad player to have.
Mike in Leeds
Have to agree about Shain, he has drifted out games terribly. I would prefer Shevley to start, but hopefully when Lucas is back, we can push Gerrard and Allen forward.
Weyland-Yutani
Our system is basically three up top with 2 wide men. It requires those 2 wide men to retain possession, work back and hopefully create chances and score. An out and out forward is not really the answer in those wide roles - its a sort of hybrid. Thats why a Morgan and Yesil do not start. The answer maybe to shift Suarez over to give a start to either of those 2 but that is a massive risk. In my opinion Walcott would be an great option or Demba Ba.
Couldn't agree with Mike in Leeds more...Well said, mate.
~Fresh
05 Nov 2012 10:39:26
Agree totally with lots of posts that Gerrard needs a break.
Retirement could not come to soon! and would give him a nice rest.
He can rest when he lifts the premier league trophy :D
BADGER
Have some respect for what the lad has e for us in the past, suggesting he should retire is bang out of order.
Did u not watch the game!! Stevie g was brilliant he made some lovely long balls good tackles the only thing i see that wasnt gerrard like was when we went a goal down and he lost the ball with a half hearted pass and then seemed to just stand there for a bit then he ran back to help but was just probly pissed of and gutted how we was a goal down after completly dominating the game. But come back out in the 2nd half and was back to his best.
Gezza1982 {Ed052's Note - Gerrad was poor vs Newcastle. He rally needs to realise that hitting Newcastle players with shots will not win a game, and neither will sloppyness, poor passing and having no drive}
05 Nov 2012 17:52:12
I'm going to put this in very simple terms:
Yes Gerrard isn't anywhere near the player he was a couple of years ago, and I never liked him as a deep centre mid because he's a bit impatient on the ball. But who do we have that's better than him?
And you have to name three players, because we play with three centre mids.
Lucas? Injured. But he probably has the most genuine claim to be better than Gerrard (imagine saying that to fellow Reds 4 years ago, you'd have probably been killed).
Allen? I think he's okay, but he's getting a dreadful amount of stick from some people.
Shelvey? Too inconsistent.
Henderson? Either of the two immediately above can apply.
Sahin? Hasn't stampted his authority on any game apart from against WBA.
Even with Lucas back, I'd still play Gerrard. Probably at the expense of Sahin.
The Swansea game was illuminating for me. For all Gerrard's apparent defects, he was still head and shoulders above the rest of our midfield for passing when he came on.
- Something Red -
05 Nov 2012 10:38:39
Please dont slate me but I personally think Allen had a poor game yesterday, in fact he has been poor for quite a few games. For £16m he should be better. Also the atmosphere in the first half was dreadful. If it hadnt have been for the geordies it would have been worse than the Library at Arsenal.
Theres nothing wrong with being slated mate it shows you can think for yourself
Other peoples words can only hurt you if you let those words hurt you
Sour Puss
P.S I agree with you and even if I did'nt so what?
I think Allen will get better when Lucas is in there with him. I really like Allen but he needs more movement than what Gerrard gives him. Gerrard was shocking yesterday. Let's have a manager with some balls to drop him.
By the way take a bow Luis Suarez.
Mighty reds
What do you mean for £16m he should be better. He was never worth that in the first place. So by paying that much do you thing he should play better?
He's worth 6m at best. It was his get out clause that cost £16m not the player... {Ed023's Note - What is this obsession with the fee the club has paid? Does it disrupt your pocket in anyway? Allen didn't play good at all yesterday but he can't play well in every game.}
I don't think Lucas is going to be as good when he comes back. Like every long term injury it effects the player in more than one way. Look at gerrard and Sahin after their injuries, shadows of what they used to be before injuries.
Ed, comments about the fee commanded for Allen are being made by people with zero experience in making 16 million poud/euro/penny operational costing decisions. It's unfortunate that despite your efforts to inform them their will to ignorance remains strong.
- Logic
To Ed023, in my opinion the obsession with transfer fees is the erroneous assumption of a zero sum game. This likely stems from a failure to grasp the complexity of the transfer process.
I'm not having a go at the poster who mentioned what value they felt Allen should have been. Undoubtedly there is a lot of frustration when a fairly substantial fee was paid for another CM when other areas of the squad needed strengthening. {Ed023's Note - Other areas will be strengthened but the manager needs time to do this. Rodgers felt that he needed someone who knew his style needed to be bought for center field so his style can be dictated by Allen.}
05 Nov 2012 10:32:33
I think we should send Sahin back and ask for Ozil instead. Failing that play Suso CAM not LW, let assaidi play LW. Walcott n Huntelaar would give us 15-20 goals and should at least finish top 6 if not better with them added in Jan. Shelvey needs to start games ATM, not sure he the perfect answer yet but he at least gets into the box which nobody else seems to want to do. I would love us to sign Eriksen and Jovetic but i doubt this is realistic right now.
Couple games i see shelvey get in the box and not scoring
05 Nov 2012 10:06:16
Question for ed002 please,
As a Chelsea fan you must've seen sturridge play quite a bit so I was curious to know what your opinion of him is, from a talent only perspective that is. Do you think he is good enough for Chelsea and based on his performances should he be on the pitch?
Thanks ed
Nevada {Ed002's Note - There are better options available.}
Nevada- I think ED" is being a bit sneaky- she is understating Sturridge cos she wants Chelsea to keep him
05 Nov 2012 09:58:25
Ok, so I'll say what everyone else is saying - we need a striker or two. But not just for the scoring aspect, but from a defensive standpoint. Let me explain.
In training, our defenders are currently up against 1 world class player and kids. It doesn't prepare you from the premier league. It's like this day in day out, a lack of real, top level quality to improve yourself against.
When a ball is fizzed into the box in training (as an example), our lads are defending against Suarez, Sterling, Suso, etc. Pretty easy work for two top class centrehalves, but when it's flipped to the real game, it's a different scenario.
That's not a knock on our striker/s and young lads by the way, they're doing a great job. It's just the reality of the situation. Don't just see the saturday, see the day in day out work that's being done, quality breeds quality.
I've played a decent level of football. When I played sunday league, I thought I was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I was like Zidane in training, then I moved up to play semi professional, I couldn't even get on the ball. Quality is needed day in day out to get the best out of players.
JimmyHustle
Jimmy
Our defenders were up against the same forward (suarez) last year and we had one of the tightest defences in the league. Unless you mean big Andy as the quality forward?
The Irish Rover
No chance. What about regular premier league games and internationals? The same could apply to many teams above us lad. It's a simple fact of different manager, different tactics hence the delays and performance. It will come good. Your example of stepping up in class has applied to every player to ever kick a ball. Were all looking for too many excuses which is laughable. It just takes time.
DaveyBootle
Mr Irish Rover.
Last season we had Bellamy, Kuyt, Suarez & Caroll. All 4 of which are experienced forwards.
This comparison to this year, well, there isn't one.
Think of things logically, continually training with lesser competition will affect your performance levels, that is an absolute fact.
Let's say we sign Hunterlaar, Erikson and Djemba (as an example) - do you think our defenders will get better or worse throughout the season?
I'm not talking about the defensive set-up, or shape of the team, I'm talking about individual performance day in day out, which then transpires to game time.
To Davey. I'm not looking for an excuse. I'm stating an obvious fact that the less quality you have in the squad, the more likely you're own quality players will lose quality.
JimmyHustle
Rover...
Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi, Carroll and Suarez are all in the box players. Players that wait for a delivery. This year we have Suarez. Shelvey is becoming one of these types of players. I agree with the OP, our defenders have it to easy in training right now, making it harder to adapt at the weekends. Even Suarez isn't a constant in the box player. Our defenders cannot be trained to cope with it, unless they traibn with a player who does so.
YNWA! (Adam)
Ok Jimmy i get your point! Maybe not the quality bit (kuyt and Carrol anyway), more seasoned campaigners. :-)
The Irish Rover
05 Nov 2012 09:50:21
These are the absolute bargain players LFC must sign for either in January or for next summer:
Walcott - January (£10m), Summer (Free)
Huntelaar - January (£8m), Summer (Free)
Holtby - January (£8m), Summer (Free)
Sahin - £10m-£12m
As long as theys don't sign new contracts anytime soon, these are the best players we could attract and would equal a world-class team. Add a another defender/GK and the squad is complete - transition my a**! RC
Sahin is proving weekly that he is NOT world class. we can do better than him for sure...
Sahin is struggling to be fair, but his talent is undeniable and at 24 I can't believe he's already past his peak. He has time on his side to improve unlike Hendo/Adam had. Remember Alonso was poor in the 07/08 season, but the year after had the season of his life. Sahin is not world-class right now, but I'm sure he can be again and soon hopefully.
How hasnt Hendo got time on his side?
Sahin has time on his hands but Hendo and Adam didn't?
Sahin - 24
Adam - 26
Henderson - 22
Okay mate.
YNWA! (Adam)
Time on his side = Not the player's age, but the time given to cement down a 1st team place.
Hendo - Had a full season, couldn't manage it and is now on the fringes and was available for transfer last summer. Whilst I think was harsh, that was the club's stance.
Adam - had a full season and was average, sold. Never had enough quality to be honest.
Sahin - Will play almost every other game from now until end of the season. He has the playing time available to him to make an impact, being paid big wages and won't sit on the bench too often. Hendo will be given scraps until he produces a worldy display to get back in the team. Adam was given no time after 1 season (sold), whereas Sahin is only on loan and won't cost the club too much at all.
He has time on his side and will be given preference, whereas even Kenny gave up a little on Hendo/Adam in the big games. Rodgers defo won't want a 'failed' signing within a year of taking the helm. But he possesses class and therefore has all the time in the world from me. It's only my opinion tho! RC
05 Nov 2012 09:43:45
Mad thought. Should we cash in on Suarez in Jan. Get 35m + plus to Real for example before he goes off the boil or god forbid gets injured. Sell a few others and you've got 60m to completely reshape team. Also unkind to hold Suarez back, he deserves champions league football.
Good to see other teams fans know what a gem we have in Luis
cozinoz
05 Nov 2012 11:29:26
the word 'you' used gives us the idea that you or not LFC supporter
05 Nov 2012 12:37:59
I love how reasoned debate has seemed to deserted some fans. Just putting a left field question out there to get a debate about selling our one and only world class player. Not because i want too but if we need funds because there is no garantee that large sums are forthcoming. But get nothing but accusations of being a fan of another team. Just tired I suppose of watching Lfc being uncompetative when it comes to results. When you been going to games since 1981 I suppose you get a little impatient waiting for the glory to come back, a little skeptical when BR is the best we could get.
Regardless who the original poster supports I think it's a reasonable question.
In my opinion we should not sell Suarez. Attracting a player with that level of ability without CL is nearly impossible. That and the money received would be to purchase say two decent players. Would that really make the squad better?
At this point Liverpool have had enough decent players go through the gates. Some real quality is what is needed to move the club forward.
05 Nov 2012 09:41:05
disappointed with the result yesterday , another good performance just couldnt score.
Looking at the table though , we are only 6 points off 4th spot.
if we had another goal scorer we could have been in the top 4.
Roll on january and for me huntalar will do.
LAVERS
Well said exactly how I feel, possession football and pretty football is all well and good but goals win matches, just hope Suarez doesn't get injured !!
Jim
And this guy bring borini instead of jacson martinez, hu wudve been 2 millions cheaper, now we want him but now hes goin 2 cost us 15 if porto want to sell him. BR its not a good player spotter like BENITEZ still is, ok borini is young buy u cant expect from some 1 hu u Paid 11 millions to come good in 2 years he shud be scoring goals now, and i expected at least 12 goals 4 11 millions forward.
05 Nov 2012 09:12:07
I don't normally read this paper but You guys should read James Lawton in the independent today. I think he is spot on with what he said.
Pork chop
Agreed, i have a funny feeling they will back him to the hills in January.
Once that happens we will not only dominate teams but punish them aswell.
Hopefully then all of the "Brendan out Brigade" will eat their hats! {Ed023's Note - I hope it happens too mate, some people just love to blame the easiest option instead of supporting the team}
05 Nov 2012 09:08:18
Fellow Red's & Ed's,
How long is it now until Lucas is back for the first team? It is clear we are missing him to boss the holding role. Will we be seeking a back up in January? The last 2 seasons he has been out for extended periods and while theres no doubts the mans world class he's been too injury prone lately.
I hate to say it and I think a lot will disagree but I don't think Gerrard should be starting every game, especially not in the deeper role we've seen him. I'd like to see Suso in front of Allen & Sahin to link the midfield with the front 3 but fear it may be a bit too lightweight when coming up to some teams in the EPL. This is why we need Lucas back fast!
Fowlers Nostril {Ed002's Note - Within about a month.}
05 Nov 2012 08:53:38
Sign Huntelar, a great poacher in the box, and how about Ronaldinhio on a 6 month contract ( thats what he's on now ) he's 32 but will create some great chances in this team. Pure fantasy I know.
Hunterlaar most defiantly as i agree looking at the chances we are creating he would certainly put most of them in the back of the net, Ronaldinho not a chance, he is pasted it and wages would be astronomically high.
BigD
05 Nov 2012 08:20:07
Suarez has been brilliant this season. 7 Goals in 10 PL games. Sterling, Suso, Gerrard and Sahin need to contribute with goals. I think Sterling has been close to scoring and can end up with 7-8 goals this season. But dont see Gerrard and Suso scoring much.
05 Nov 2012 08:08:43
Joe Cole is on 5.2million a year and has ayear and a half left on his contract come January Rodgers has been told that he will have to do another aquiliani esque deal were any club coming in for him will have to 7.8million for him as its the only way of not losing any more money on the mercenary excuse for a footballer
05 Nov 2012 07:39:14
If we are all real,its time Steven Gerrard had a stint on the bench,not adding anything to the team,seems to me he's only ever got his england shirt on nowadays.....
05 Nov 2012 07:02:17
Hi Ed's, just 2 things really, I was thinking we would be looking at just 1 possible signing this window, but with Rodgers talking after the match yesterday about bringing in a group of players to play off Suarez over the next couple of windows, do you thinkthe owners have realised the mistake made last time and are going to spend a bit.
Secondly I see on this page ED 001 say Huntelar has no pace and is not the answer, but on the rumours page ED 002 is saying there is interest in him from us?
Does that mean we could sign him but ED001 doesn't rate him, or the different ED's have different contacts and information about him comming?
By the way I will be glad to see lucas back, with the lack of goals up front we need to get a lot tighter at the back.
RNred {Ed001's Note - it means I don't rate him, but his contract situation has meant he is of interest to the club.}
Thanks Ed, out of interest is there a player you have in mind that tickss the boxes? we can afford, is available, and would come.
Understand if you dont want to answer that one.
RNred {Ed002's Note - You need to read what I wrote.}
05 Nov 2012 06:37:15
In my opinion jonjo was wasteful and cost us the 3 points, he was put on the plate by suarez and downing and wasted every chance he had. I still maintain he is not going to be good enough and should not be playing for a club like lfc. We definately need a replacement for gerrard quick time and 2 top strikers and or 1 top winger pretty damn quick! RedTurk
Agree. In the couple of years that Shelvey has been at LFC, we've seen him handed chances on a platter time after time, but he always seems to make a complete mess of them.
Unfortunately for everyone, he's not the goal scoring midfielder that we want or need to replace Gerrard.
AussieLFC
Im gonna have to side with RedTurk on this one. Calling shelvey the next Gerrard is like calling cleverly the next Scholes. Im not convinced in the slightest that he should be a regular starter at our club. The CAM position belongs to suso. Shelvey as a squad player i wouldnt mind though.
Indian Buzzer
I agree. I mean, he's 20 years old and only the top scorer in the Europa league.
He always gets into the right place to miss/score, and can only score an open goal from 35 yards against Chelsea in one touch.
Not to mention the whopping £1.7m he cost.
What were we thinking!
YNWA! (Adam)
05 Nov 2012 04:59:54
Not a rumour but question to eds (Because i cant ask this directly to gaffer :)..
Rodgers, in his post NUFC interview states (rather accepted) that Suarez, however great a player he is, is not a genuine striker..and something LFC is missing right now. He said he would go for someone, who can work off playmakers work, which apparently will make us real title contenders.
So the simple question is : What was wrong with Andy Carroll??? If I put him in the current squad, we would have won at least 3 of those 5 draws (like rodgers says)? {Ed001's Note - lots of things were wrong with Andy Carroll. For instance, he was never in the box attacking crosses, he would always be hanging around somewhere else on the pitch. Carroll is not a genuine striker, he is a target man, he is just there for a big hoof up field, nothing else.}
05 Nov 2012 04:59:07
Just wanted to know what all those so called supporters who wanted Suarez to be sold because of his image in the media and the way it is harming the club's image think now ? Is he still replaceable ?
I for one wont sell him even if we get 60 million bids..
the guy on his day is easily better than the hazards, Silva's or Rooney's of this league and without his goals we would be in the relegation zone .. he creates,scores, weaves his magic, pulls the defenders out of position creating space for his 17 year old team mates,works his socks off, gets the opposition red carded , scores from set pieces and most importantly loves the club and his football and is extremely loyal..
Dream for a manager to work with ..
Give some quality and pace (remy,walcott,auyembayeng) either side of him and see him winning you matches single handedly..
After a long time the Number 7 shirt has finally got someone worthy of wearing it..
My thoughts exactly. Luis Suarez is totally irreplaceable, particularly given the paucity of the current squad. I said last season that Liverpool would not sell Luis, and I am so pleased to have been proved right, for a change. Luis is the one player in the current squad who is more than worth the admission money, even in an era of inflated ticket prices.
Red Owl
Spot on , but not one of the blurts will hold their hands up and say they were wrong
05 Nov 2012 03:05:41
For.me sahin has not earned the right to start every game..our midfield till lucas comes should be allen and hendo sitting deep then gerrard upfront..I feel he would be better there..my God without suarez goals we would be in the relegation zone right now..
Ohhh boy....I am sick of reading such comments: without suarez goals we would be in relegation zone....but then where will be-
ManU without RVP
Chelsea without Hazard
Arsenal without Podolski
I mean come on...Suarez is Liverpool player and CF for us..he is supposed to bang goals and every move is centered around him...so why only liverpool will be in relegation...every god damn team whose strikers are not firing will be struggling...
Also I am bemused by this FACT now that we are most unlucky team in EPL. Opposition team creates one chance in entire match and scores..Their GK makes unbelievable saves..they never hit woodwork..they never miss penalty...their long range strikes will be unstoppable...suddenly their strikers will be like ronaldo/messi/pele....ohhh man the list is sooo long..Care to comment!
Indian with Red Heart
For me gerrard shouldnt start every game, he has been awful recently but then who can you rellace him with? Unless we play henderson with allen and sahin infront of them. RedTurk
05 Nov 2012 03:00:45
hey all
I heard from a strong rumour that the 3 attacking players brendan said the other day i found out who they might well be Theo walcott is signing a new deal with arsenal so its a no go burr they 3 players who are coming in is first of all he doesnt want to sign a new deal and hes up for 6 to 8million and thats huntelaar and the second one is just the same doesnt want to sign a new contract and its gary hooper and finally on loan sturridge and i expect a couple of loanings to then sign them in the summer..
Be great cant wait to see them play for us:)
i do hope this rumour is true and i heard it from someone really close to liverpool its self..:)
05 Nov 2012 09:00:57
You already have Sahin on loan. If you get Sturridge on loan too you will be allowed 1 more, not a couple more.
Sturridge is out of contract in the summer, why the hell would Chelsea let him play out his contract somewhere else?
Geez the eds must feel like they're constantly banging their heads against a brick wall, I can't even come up with a number for the amount of times I've seen this issue clarified already!!
SideShowBob
05 Nov 2012 01:20:20
Hi Fellow reds. Another frustrating day on the footballing front, and its not that bad really. Were doing exactly the same thing as last year by not putting that f***ing ball over that f***ing line! But!, were only 4pts from 6th spot and 6pts from 4th! As long as we can ride like this till January, then I'm 100% confident that we'll be a better force with some alternative striking options.
To be honest, as we are struggling with the strikers, I'm disappointed with rodgers not playing YESIL much. he would have played a lot by now.
so, what strikers are the most called for then? suggestions?
jim
Yesil has had two appearances and was inexperienced and lightweight in both. He doesn't look ready for the first team yet.
cozinoz
Playing Yesil much!! In place of whom...Suarez the new GOD...for sure you are not suggesting that...then what..playing Yesil on wings..again putting square pegs in round hole...Stop this guys!..BR is doing perfectly allright with the resources at his disposal...making bold descisions,changing team formations,making subs at right time,giving youngsters invaluable first team exp,handling PR well...we are 6 pts off from 4th place considering the toughest of first 5 matches to start with in the league...we have dominated almost every game..we all know grey areas and surely BR will be first to know it..He's the guy for this job..we are supporters..so why not let everybody do its job!
Indian with Red Heart
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang / Theo walcott
Eriksen martinez and huntelaar. One can only dream
05 Nov 2012 01:16:38
4 players out
Cole - £1.5m
Henderson - £10m
Downing - £7.5m
Pacheco - £1m
£20m
3 players in
Christian Eriksen: AM - £20m
Theo Walcott: FWD - £8m
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar: ST - £6m
£34m
in the summer we will target a CB, GK and winger (along with replacements for those that leave - although we won't sign another first team striker in the summer, then again unless someone leaves)
Our main CB and Winger targets for the summer are both from Belgium; CB Toby Alderweireld, Ajax (£8m) and winger Dries Mertens, PSV (£10.5m)
Our keeper target is 24 year old ex Liverpool player Nikolay Mihaylov, we have a buy back clause for £1m.
we will obviously sign more players as the sale of Carroll and potentially spearing would see us breaking even more or less.
a left back might be sought after and if spearing leaves a DM cover for Lucas.
You wouldn't get 10 milk tokens for Henderson, what team would want to buy him. Unless KK comes back in the game
Why woud Eriksen, one of the most exciting talents in Europe want to come to Liverpool?
Why is Suarez and Sahin there. Just asking?
05 Nov 2012 01:15:32
I have never read, so much luvvy minded PC nonsense, on these pages. Get a grip will you ?
The present set up will offer only mediocrity at best.
How long Suarez will put up with average players, old has beens and over-hyped youngsters. Time will only tell.
It is so sad to see a once great team, slip down to the Aston Villas of this world.
Some people are born mediocre, some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. Some people rise to mediocrity.
Rodgers and FSG are all these things.
Scoop Red
Born a mediore supporter were we? It appears to be a specialist area of yours.
Andy K
Who would you rather have own us? Those Arabs in Manchester haven't exactly set the world on fire, invested hundreds of millions on over rated over paid players which has delivered 2 trophies, we managed half their trophy success without a fraction of spending. Money isn't everything.
You want a different manager? Guess what in the summer they all had the chance to apply at Liverpool and they didn't. We have the best of what was available to us.
Nevada
I am not impressed with the present set up either. All this passing going nowhere. People on this site blaming Stevie G.
Apart from Stevie and Suarez the rest are very average.
Whatever you say about Rafa. He made us punch above our weight.
FredRed
05 Nov 2012 00:30:37
Please post in banter. Guys don't be doing this to yourselves we do this every transfer window build our hopes up and be disappointed with the signings.liverpool can't compete with the big boys.we have cost cutting owners who won't shell out big money every window.now while I think their idea of building for the future the self sustainable way is great there are always going to be the man cities,uniteds,and Chelsea's of this world and they will out buy us all the time for the best players.fsg need to back Brendan big time in January because truthfully without Suarez Liverpool are very average team.i think if we could buy dries mertens,erickson and Walcott it would transform our attack and take us to where we need to be.sounds like fantasy football I know but all three could be achieved for around 40 million.get rid of downing,cole,Wilson,Carroll and Enrique for about 30 million. REDMICK
05 Nov 2012 00:26:34
Ed1 mate don't you think owners need to buy atleast world class striker like higuain or class striker like Damiao and offer them decent wages so we can atleast fight for top4. As a bussiness point of view when time is right we can sell them for huge profits. It works both ways. If we are honest we really need them {Ed001's Note - no I don't think we need to do that, it would be nice, but we need to build a squad.}
It's very difficult to sell players on huge wages as man city are discovering. It doesn't make good business sense at all.
Nevada
Its even harder to move on average players on huge wages like Mr Cole!
The Irish Rover
05 Nov 2012 15:08:16
Nevada mate poster sayed decent wages not huge wages like city. Anyways Suarez gets decent wages will it be tough to shift him?
05 Nov 2012 00:12:44
Possible team after January:
--------------Reina------------
Wisdom skrtle agger Johnson
--------------Lucas------------
---------gerrard--Allen--------
-----Suarez--------sterling---
-------------wallcott-----------
You can rotate the front 3 during the game, you have borini, and suso on the bench. Sahin and shelvey can be rotated in the team as well.
What a difference just bringing one player in and the return to fitness from Lucas brings.
All those players will be playing in their best positions for starters. It's just wisdom and not 100% on but Kelly will be back eventually.
MIKEY
05 Nov 2012 00:53:55
Mikey mate it looks good on paper and cheap solution but don't know why I think walcott is not as good as fans say here I might be wrong.
05 Nov 2012 00:09:50
some real perspective in regards to lfc.
we totally dominated newcastle today in every department, this despite the fact that at times we were sloppy in areas especially with some of the passing, not so surprisingly one of them being enrique. this was against a team that many consider will finish above or around us this season in the league this year.
we are talking about a team that systematically tore us apart at st james's park last season if we're quite honest.
we are currently undefeated in the last 5 games in the league?! hardly a club riding through a crisis like so many of you believe on here.
we have achieved this with one recognised striker available to the club right now. that in itself is quite unbelievable.
we are also playing without what would be 4 regular starters in pepe, johnson, lucas and borini.
brendan rodgers seems assured about 'arrivals' come january and we have to believe him. many say it's notoriously hard to buy in the january window. i say that if the money is available like in the cases of suarez & carroll then it is more than possible to find the players you want or need.
and it seems that players/strikers are there for the taking across europe. whether we actually are interested in any of sturridge, walcott, huntelaar, holtby, honda, llorente, demba ba or any other players mentioned so far remains to be seen? the reality is though many of them are 'gettable' after the festive period.
come the end of january we could possibly be between 4-7 players better off squad wise.
i believed from day 1 of rodgers's arrival we wouldn't see the wheels of his revolution really kick in until after xmas, and i will stick by this if the owners help him out come january with a couple of signings.
s.p
04 Nov 2012 23:52:09
04 Nov 2012 13:29:43
Missing the game again today because of work.
I defo need a new job don't I? Lol
Anyway my prediction today is :
1-1.
MIKEY
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I'm good at this prediction game me.
Congrats to whoever put money on this.
MIKEY