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06 Dec 2015 23:34:25
All in all i think we didn't deserve to lose today! However there are still a few players that in my opinion shouldn't be in the team. newcastle outmuscled.
07 Dec 2015 01:26:08
We deserved exactly what we got, which was absolutely nothing.
06 Dec 2015 23:13:27
Klopp said in the longer interview "we played shit"
Made my night the honesty of the man.
07 Dec 2015 01:14:17
A few posters have made the point that, had it been Rodgers still in charge and we had had a similar run of good games followed by this one, it would be all doom and gloom and "he's not got a clue", and that Klopp is only being cut some slack due to a honeymoon period.
I most strongly disagree and point to the above comment, and his comment about the Palace loss still playing on his mind too a few days ago.
Why I still remain hopeful, and am certainly in the "we can get top 4 at least this season" camp is because of comments like this.
The man calls it as it is, good and bad. We don't get the politics and false positivity as we did from the other chap.
At the end of the day, most fans are not daft enough to think that Rome was built in a day and that suddenly everything will go perfectly. What we do need is a manager we can relate to, who speaks with honesty, thought and intelligence.
We have that now, and as a result, the sky is the limit.
07 Dec 2015 01:41:49
"Don't go nuts when you win and don't go crazy when you lose. Even keel, every time". I love this guy.
06 Dec 2015 22:58:15
Few things. One it's nice to see the majority of the posters stay positive. I think a lot of the readers expected a loss or dropped points, its what we do lol! Lucas Allen and Milner didn't produce much at all, but who did, I know some have had more off games than good but just give it a bit of time, Lucas had an off game, I know Milner has lots of prem experience but he is still new, Allen I think it's time up by the end of the season.
07 Dec 2015 01:42:28
Milner is whose time is up, IMO.
07 Dec 2015 04:34:31
Agree with Allen, not with Milner just yet, think it's too early to call.
Milner is a solid box to box workhorse, but he's just not a creative engine. He needs someone like Lucas behind him and Llalana or Coutinho ahead of him (not Allen) and he is very effective at doing the dirty work in between. Sometimes you need someone like him.
06 Dec 2015 22:38:25
We probably don't have to start with our strongest team on Thursday as we already guaranteed promotion in the EL, but after this game, every game at any competition from now to the end of the season is a must win.
For me this means less rotation. Rotation is good if you can win games with different teams. If your second team loses than what's the point, you might as well play your strongest 11 and risk them being a bit tired.
I think its time for Klopp to find his best 11 and play them every game unless players are injured or banned. For me Milner is not in this team and only one (if at all) out of Ibe and Firmino should be in it. Sturridge should start every game as long as he is fit.
07 Dec 2015 05:29:49
You say play the best 11 unless injured? Do that and I guarantee they will be injured.
06 Dec 2015 22:30:51
You win some you lose some. Hammann put if perfectly reality check. Is it the end of the world not really as the way the results fell would of it been nice to get a win of course. I said last week that people saying were title contenders are jumping the gun! We are aiming for top 4 and top 4 only.
Think Klopp got it wrong today in the sense of he took the wrong players off ecspecially ibe who looked our most dangerous player. The 4411 formation dosent work for us. We will bounce back we also do and its not like there is one team playing exceptionally well this season and running away with it. Have a good week guys.
06 Dec 2015 22:50:54
I still don't think that a title challenge is out of the question. We're not the only big team this year to lose away to some relegation zone dweller. If you're predicting a title challenge then you can't be so fickle to immediately dismiss it after only one loss.
06 Dec 2015 23:21:06
I thought Ibe was terrible going forward, his decision making around the area was awful and his final ball was very poor. His only saving grace was he defended well. But he is only 1 day away from 20 years of age, so has plenty of time to improve all aspects of his game and become a Liverpool great.
06 Dec 2015 23:22:53
Spot, Milner should have been hooked after 20 mins. Firmino needs to toughen up his game because that lack of physicality is killing his undeniable talent. We are not consistent enuff to challenge for the title yet but we have 23 games left to figure that out. We learn from this and get ready for WBA.
07 Dec 2015 00:06:42
Ibe was very ordinary, took way too long on the ball, which limited his scope of good decision making and quality final ball. He will learn from this.
Despite shipping in two goals, I can't say too many bad things about our defence. They shut down danger well. I know with the own goal they forced our defenders into a position of running back towards our goal, but it was still unlucky. That second goal was just a function of throwing all our effort (including Skrtel) forward at the end of the game, Klopp was aware of the counter attack risk.
07 Dec 2015 04:39:17
Firmino looked bad because there was not movement around him. Ibe too, with no runs in the box to hit, but he also ran down blind alleys and gave the ball away a lot. Benteke was shocking, and Milner and Allen ordinary and lacking any creative spark.
Overall it began with a lack of movement and slow transitions in attack, much like the dross we saw under BR to be fair. Was bound to be the odd mistake in team setup/hangover from a change in new coach. Hopefully Klopp's learnt enough to prevent it happening too often from here.
06 Dec 2015 20:46:44
Great interview by klopp again I am convinced we will beat get 3 pts next week v wbrom. Today proved that with lucas Allen and milner in midfield together there is no creativity or link from back to front people need to remember klopp how short a time klopp is in the job and still learning about the players and how they play together in different formations. Positive from today is title talk will subside. Top 4 this year is realistic and achievable. In the kloppmeister we trust!
06 Dec 2015 21:11:37
Reality check. Expectations have gone a bit mental.
Glad to have this amazing manager who undoubtedly got it wrong today and admitted we wasn't good enough.
Let him get his own players in, lot of players today proved to Klopp that they won't fit the style and he'll be more than pleased to replace them.
06 Dec 2015 21:22:32
That's what I'm talking about, a manager who admits the obvious instead of talking gibberish in a bid to save face. We were s very poor today, end of. Milner? I can't take it anymore, really. After ten mins, I said to myself, we are playing with ten men because he offers absolutely nothing. Don't get me wrong, not a soul in a red shirt played well today but he was the pick of the bunch. Hopefully, we'll get Couts back and Now, I hope people see how important Can is in Klopp's system. We were poor and deserved the defeat. No qualms with that, IMO.
06 Dec 2015 21:31:11
Midweek and today just epitomised Joe Allen's Liverpool career foe me.
He was brilliant in mid week, but totally lost today. Just always seems to happen, whenever he plays well and I expect him to kick on, he doesn't. He has a poor game that sets him back. Had a few decent moments but on the whole didn't impact the game. Wasn't the only one today obviously, but he seems to have form. Dunno if it's because he's too small to scrap, lacks confidence whatever, but it always seems to happen to him.
06 Dec 2015 21:42:12
From the start back 2 love to mess around endless passing i knew it was not our day, liverpool are best without skrtel having so many touches, and benteke my god never goes looking for the ball. so disappointing that game back down to earth we come.
06 Dec 2015 21:17:59
Dbol
Klopp was brought in to utilise the 200 mill worth squad we have managed to assemble. The club cannot afford 100 mill shopping every summer unless you sacrifice one strong name every year which put the club 2 steps backwards.
I trust Klopp's ability on the pitch. let's sincerely hope he finds a way to utilise the squad and only necessary changes in coming years.
06 Dec 2015 22:26:34
Seriously Liverpoolkiwi, our main problem today was Skertl having too many touches? What about the colour of Klopp's shirt, you don;t think it was responsible?
06 Dec 2015 22:50:53
E. Glory
Mate this is modern day football. Players coming and going is part of the game now, and champions Chelski have proved this season you can't stick with the same squad anyway. Improvement will be made in the Summer. Klopp will sign players.
06 Dec 2015 22:52:15
Not defending Allen This time then eg?
06 Dec 2015 23:24:37
Kiwi, Nobody played well so bashing Skrtel is pointless.
07 Dec 2015 00:35:47
Agreed with fanobip and redohio, kind of pointless to put the blame on Skrtel. Agreed with most, that all played badly. Milner, Skrtel, Lovren, all of them made few decent clearances and tackles but not saying they were the standouts last night. Somehow, I saw this result coming, since everyone started to say about us the possible title contenders. It's like Deja Vu, title talk then suddenly stumbled. But I'm sure we will be finishing stronger this season. I just love that German. That alone gives me confidence and excitement, which I've never felt since Suarez left.
06 Dec 2015 20:31:41
Today's result will not change or alter our season. I'm confident that we will finish in the top 4. We weren't good enough today simple as that. Benteke truly showed that he is not going to be able to play Klopps system. His movement is shocking, his hold up play is mediocre, his finishing is nothing compared to Sturridge's and he does not press. Milner and Lucas were both simply shocking today as well offered nothing. Milner resembles a league 1 player completely out of his depth and needs dropping and I'm sorry to say this as he's been a good servant to the club but Lucas is such an average holding midfielder a position we badly need upgrading. None the less we still have Sakho Coutinho to come back and both Hendo and studge to regain full fitness.
06 Dec 2015 21:25:44
I agree with your post but disagree with your pop at Lucas. He was poor, yes but who played well today? Not a soul so don't know why you're calling him names. He has been brilliant since he was reinstalled by Klopp and has had great games. He was poor today, end of. But to call him average after having monster games prior to today, is over the top.
06 Dec 2015 21:35:31
I don't see Benteke fitting anywhere, other than as an impact sub.
As I've seen written elsewhere online, Firmino and Couthino behind Benteke look just as ineffective as Hazard, De Bruyne and Dries Mertens behind Benteke for Belgium.
06 Dec 2015 22:45:13
You slate half the team and then say you are confident we will get top4, based on what? Spurs and West-ham were overall more impressive than us in the league and even them are not top 4 at the moment. Consistency is the key for top4. At the moment we look like Spurs of lsat year. Some great wins (they have beaten Chelsea 5:2 I think) but losing a lot of points against weaker teams.
06 Dec 2015 23:02:33
To redohio: maybe my pop at Lucas was a bit over the top, but to be brutally honest he's nowhere near the level that we need to be when we are aspiring to challenge for trophies in the future. He's slow, weak, and has no positional awareness. He offers no screen to the back four and regarding your comment about Lucas in the past few weeks, at both Chelsea and man city away Emre Can carried the midfield. I'm fine with having him as a squad player but he shouldn't be in the starting 11 especially when Hendo gets back.
06 Dec 2015 23:33:52
To fanobip: just to clarify I slated 3 players who 100% deserved it not half the team. We are 6 points off fourth, Jurgen Klopp is our manager, both West Ham and Leicester will presumably fall away, we will strengthen in January, we have played all of the top teams away already and we still haven't had our best 11 available yet.
06 Dec 2015 23:44:51
Sakho boss if you want to post again on this site, you may consider a new identity. I cannot belolieve the nonsense I just read; Lucas no positional awareness. Oh my god.
And despite you listing all these problems you have with him, every last trait you listed being almost essential to his role, you go on to say you are fine with him being in the squad? Unfathomable.
07 Dec 2015 00:45:37
No one played well today. But Lucas is a top DM, wow he had one bad game, against southampton he was on fire. The whole team was but Lucas won every tackle. head, moved play on etc, and has been playing pretty well most of this season under Klopp. Think there are plenty of other things to look at before looking at Lucas and by that i mean atm Lucas is fine and other areas that need addressing!
07 Dec 2015 00:48:00
Lfcfan_03beef, first all I said I'm fine with him being a SQUAD player nothing more, that entails playing rarely. you do realise that if we have ambitions of playing regularly in Europe, that players need to be rotated. For you then to honestly say that lucas has good positional awareness simply shows your lack of knowledge about the position and the game as a whole. Last question to you, why do you think the only club willing to spend money on Lucas during the summer was an average team called Besiktas? Eh I wonder why?
07 Dec 2015 01:51:24
Sahko, you must be joking if you think Lucas has no positional sense. Go watch his games vs Chelsea and you'll see how brilliant he was shutting down the spaces, pressing and making great interceptions and spring attacks. He's been brilliant since Klopp arrived and a big part of how solid we have become under him. He didn't play well but again no one did so singling him out for bashing is just a desperate excuse to slate him. We had a bad game and got beaten, move on. And your last statement about Besiktas being the only one in for Lucas is just pointless.
07 Dec 2015 08:13:15
Redohio, I'm actually stunned that you rate Lucas this highly. He was completely anonymous vs Chelsea Emre can carried him. I don't recall him making any interceptions. Just watch Sergio busquets and you'll see what top defensive midfielder actually does.
{Ed001's Note - hahaha you really have no clue if you think Can caried Lucas. They work well together because neither has to carry the other. Busquets is one of the most overrated players to play the game. People get carried away about him but every team that is able to put Barca under pressure can get straight at the defence because he is always missing.}
07 Dec 2015 16:43:32
Ed001 Oh right I have no clue but you think busquets is the most overrated players to play the game. Just think about that. Busquets is the best defensive midfielder in the world. This idea that it is all about making tackles is complete nonsense as a defensive midfielder, Busquets doesn't need to as his positional awareness is flawless. His passing is simply sublime and the likes of Messi Suarez Neymar and Iniesta wouldn't have the same freedom without him. Just wondering if you think he's so overrated why has he not been replaced by both Barcelona and Spain both of whom have been so successful, ya I wonder.
{Ed001's Note - ah so for starters you can not even read. One of the most overrated, Iker Casillas is way ahead of him. As for best defensive midfielder in the game, you must be joking. His positional awareness is far from flawless, he is poor defensively, his game is about maintaining possession, not defending. He fits in the Barca system and Spain are still picking Casillas so I fail to see why anyone who knows anything about the game would suggest they are a good yardstick for how a player is performing. By the way, you will notice for Spain that Xabi Alonso did all the defending, not him. His positional sense is his main weakness, in defensive terms, he is always looking to be in a place to receive and play a pass, not to cover the defence. Which is why he is so well suited to Barca.}
07 Dec 2015 18:20:22
Ed001 I totally agree with about Iker Casillas. I'll have to disagree with you about Busquets. Within the role of playing as a defensive midfielder many of the duties go unnoticed, this is largely the case with Busquets. People tend to see the likes of Lucas diving in for tackles and praise him for complete stupidity and constant average displays but Busquet's positioning and awareness limits the amount of time that he had to go to ground. If you just watch him for one game you will spot that he cuts off the lines of the passing opportunity into the striker and number 10's feet. This in my opinion where he really goes unnoticed.
{Ed001's Note - you clearly are talking crap, Lucas very rarely dives in to tackles, while Busquets spends more of his game pretending to have been fouled than he does being well positioned. I have watched him many times, like I said his positioning is hopeless for a defensive midfielder, excellent for a passing midfielder intent on holding on to possession. Amazing what kind of moronic comments you make about Lucas, whose positional sense is far better, while praising someone who is not that good. Shows your lack of understanding of defensive positioning, especially when you think it is good positioning that limits Busquets need to make tackles, rather than just playing in the Barca side that dominates 99% of its matches.}
06 Dec 2015 20:24:28
How refreshing is it though to see a manager come out and say It just like it is. Plain and simply we were crap and we didn't deserve to win.
Good on you Jurgen. Keep working at it.
06 Dec 2015 21:03:17
Exactly. I still some of the media mis-understand why we had enough of Rodgers in the end. In short, he insulted the fans intelligence. Klopp doesn't have the ego of Rodgers and is happy to tell it straight.
06 Dec 2015 21:28:55
I personally, don't care if a manager makes a mistake provided he does not repeat them, learns from them and improves. Klopp is a sincere guy who pulls no punches and that is what leadership is all about. BR was not only an aweful manager, he lacked integrity and leadership which often led to him trashing everyone else just to save face. We were poor and we lost. We arm from it and move on.
06 Dec 2015 20:24:06
I must say, after the game today I was Absoloutly gutted and full of anger but after reading some of the posts on here I'm actually not too bothered anymore. Great to see some of the fans saying it was only a blunder and they can't wait for the next game! A year ago if this happened the reaction would be completely different. I also like Klopp's comments, he was straight about the game and not being deluded. Bring on the next game
YNWA.
06 Dec 2015 20:28:49
Klopp fever. It will pass and the usual fan will come back out.
06 Dec 2015 21:30:11
And we will be here to receive them with lots of logical comments and positivity, Paulo.
06 Dec 2015 21:56:12
Paulo, always full of negativity.
06 Dec 2015 22:54:40
I'd call it reality.
Do we really need to go through the ancient posts of the Brendan Rodgers era to see what was written after a perfomancr and team selection like today? Imagine he had dropped origi after getting a hatrick.
All I'm saying is in a season or potentially toward the end of the season klopp will receive the real crisicm that he hasn't after todays result. And you know I'm right.
He has the luxury of being new and being given time blah blah blah
It all ends in fickle fans who will call for his blood not to long from now.
Yes the above is quite negative but hey if that's what I'm known for then I shall not dissapoint.
06 Dec 2015 20:17:54
I thought Newcastle deserved the win. Can was a big miss for us, in my opinion. Once we learn how to grind out and win games like this watch out.
06 Dec 2015 20:09:12
After The Lord Mayors Show (Wednesday) you always get the DUST CART, we have just seen it Today .
The worrying thing is that this might set a TEMPLATE for how all teams will set up against us now when were on the road, similar to how we can't break teams down at home, but there is only one man who can find a solution and he will but it won't happen overnight.
06 Dec 2015 21:24:47
To be honest, I think it was more about how we set up rather than how Newcastle set up today.
06 Dec 2015 19:35:34
I know some will hold on to that disallowed goal, but we were poor overall. I guess the players are tired after a lot of exertions, or they just had a bad day today. Maybe Firming and Benteke was not a good pairing, and shouldn't have stayed on the field that long.
We're back to earth after the euphoria of the last couple of weeks. Maybe it was a needed dose of reality!
Let's see how we respond to this. Walk on. YNWA.
06 Dec 2015 19:47:55
Difficult to disagree with that, the Toon deserved their luck and we were pretty plan. Can seemed to be missed the most I thought.
06 Dec 2015 20:13:11
Playing Milner Allen and Lucas together in midfield doesn't work, we miss the forward momentum of Can or Hendo.
I would have rather had Tex (JCT) in with either Milner or Allen. He's creative and forward looking. Allen always looks to pass backwards and Milner and Lucas are ball winners. JCT would be that bit of creativity to put the opposition on the back foot.
06 Dec 2015 20:49:59
Couldn't agree more Ron. Allen and Lucas together in midfield lack any kind of forward momentum. Also, Benteke lacks both pressing from the front, and the ability to play in the shoulder of the last defender. I don't see him as a fit with Firmino, as both drop a bit deeper to collect/hold up the ball. Maybe Studge and Benteke in a front two might work, but it will be interesting to see what Klopp does in the coming weeks.
06 Dec 2015 21:34:09
BR has proven that Lucas and Allen at CM don't work. Lucas is great with a Hendo or Can ahead of him to provide so energy and speed. Klopp picked the players he had available so can't fault him for that. Milner on the pitch is like playing with ten men. He was shocking and that just shows how aweful BR was at trying to force such a poor player down our throats. I trust that Klopp will learn from this and move on.
06 Dec 2015 18:36:23
Fair play to newcastle we didn't really deserve anything out the game, nevermind dust down and we go again its a long season and there will be more good days more bad but at least we know klopp will get it right next time he learns by his mistakes so chins up lads look out sion! Lol.
06 Dec 2015 19:26:10
Sion will surely be a time to rest players before the busy festive schedule.
06 Dec 2015 19:45:14
I thought both teams were poor today. Be hard to pick out a motm from that game. Hope this puts to bed any nonsense talk of achieving more than a champions league spot. We have been spoilt the past few weeks and some just took this game as 3 points in the bag. Going to the pub to drown my sorrows after that. Thursday can't come quick enough.
06 Dec 2015 20:08:46
It wasnt pretty but one bad hame doesn't mean we shouldn't believe in better than top 4 all teams are struggling just now we just need to be sure we are still within touching gear after the festive period if we are the belief will remain! Only be down if we were playin that bad week in week out and we haven't just a bad day ar the office lads.
06 Dec 2015 21:35:39
Klopp has coached 12 games and this is the very first one were we were aweful from beginning to end. I'll take those odds.
06 Dec 2015 18:18:16
Like others have said, that was disappointing. But I am not too glum as I know we can compete and will have bad games from time to time, but some players are improving with Klopp and Skrtle was unfortunate.
What this has shown is Milner should be sub not starter, when we have a full squad. Ibe needs to release the pass more but is young and playing very well otherwise. Allen did really well and stood out in midfield. Lucas was off today as was Moreno but we know they are good most games.
Chin up lads, Klopp has only got started and the futures bright, the futures red.
06 Dec 2015 19:15:37
I thought Allen was poor, he looks like a 14 year old playing in a man's game.
06 Dec 2015 19:24:47
This is the thing now, we can think of this as a blip rather than the norm, we know we're heading in the right direction. At least most of teams above also had a less than perfect weekend.
06 Dec 2015 20:29:29
Robbush, maybe Lucas and Milner made him look better! Ha ha.
06 Dec 2015 20:39:28
lucas was the worst player on the pitch today. his distribution was very poor i counted at least 4 passes with no one near him that he just kicked out of play. but allen and lucas will never work. ibe needs to work on his end product and stop slowing the game down so much.
06 Dec 2015 21:27:36
Milner was definately the worst today, in fact I can't honestly remember a decent game from him yet.
06 Dec 2015 21:42:54
Grino, you must b joking. Did you watch Milner at all? After ten mins, I said to myself, we are playing with ten men. The guy did nothing and has done almost nothing since he's been here. He was never needed and many of us mentioned it then. If all players are fit, Lucas will still play because granted he was poor (what player had a good game, really), he's our DM and he's had great games before this one. As for Milner? Can and Hendo in C M, and Lallana and Ibe on the flanks should get picked ahead of him. Experience. Please, he's experienced at being a winner as a backup and nothing more.
06 Dec 2015 18:17:10
Massive opportunity missed today, but in all honesty we didn't deserve anything from the game. I thought Lucas had a poor game especially with his passing up to the front 3.The final ball from Ibe was awful and he slowed the play when he got to the edge of the penalty area. The midfield 3 were too similar type of players (no burst of energy going forward) and we seemed to lack any ideas how to play in behind them, I think their keepers only save was from a weak header late in the second half. But we have to put it behind us and try and learn from the disappointment.
06 Dec 2015 18:41:16
We need a top class midfielder in the future red. Henderson is no xavi or alonso. We need that type of of player in midfield alongside hendo. Our midfield is the worst of the top six offensively . How many goals do our midfielders contribute?
06 Dec 2015 19:03:07
Dissappointing result. We really missed Emre Can.
Benteke and Firmino very poor, but the whole team looked flat today. Joe Allen stood out, must've covered more ground than anyone.
Let's hope this is just a ' blip '. and we get back to winning ways on Thursday, with Can back, and hopefully Coutinho.
Great goal by Moreno by the way . no way was he offside.
06 Dec 2015 19:02:12
Well Al Mate, I along with quite few tried our best to convince the page on the need of a top class playmaker in the middle. Someone who links the midfield with forward line with sheer passing abilities. None listened.
You are bang on, Henderson should be played ahead in a three Men Midfield.
06 Dec 2015 19:29:10
I think we would have got something out the game if the linesman watched the game . But this happens every week to every club so we just move on . I thought we looked tired today and proves the point the players we have aren't quite good enough the midfield was very weak today IMO . and benteke was very poor he didn't want to know.
06 Dec 2015 20:44:02
EG you thought Allen was that man just the other day. (bangs head against wall)
06 Dec 2015 21:47:57
None too bothered about the disallowed goal unlike BR and Maureen, Klopp didn't dwell on that as the reason we lost. In the game, we allowed Newcastle to lull us to sleep. We allowed them to make us play a scrappy game and we got punked, end of. Klopp knows he's made mistakes and will rectify them, IMO.
06 Dec 2015 21:07:45
Bob
Kovacic should have been the man. I am no big Allen fan but he is country mile better than Milner who except you, everyone thinks should be the first player to be dropped.
06 Dec 2015 22:59:15
that's not what you have been harping on about for the last 2 days dude. I've never said Milner shouldn't be dropped. once again making stuff up in your head there pal.
06 Dec 2015 18:15:19
look were going to have a few bumps like this along the way I think klopp will be first to admit he got it wrong today Newcastle were there for the taking if we got an early goal so with that in mind needed 2 up top and high tempo. but wat happened was we were slow and predictable and let Newcastle build in confidence game over but we move on.
06 Dec 2015 18:20:06
I don't think he got it wrong today if I'm honest. He had no other choice in midfield. Can is out. Henderson obviously still isn't ready. Play youth? Oh wait rossiter is hurt. He really didn't have much choice. He could've altered formation and went with some more forward players. But we don't have many of those available besides origi and sturridge. Maybe two strikers would've helped, but I don't think the manager could make too many changes due to injury/unavailability.
Nonetheless, poor performance. One of Lucas' biggest fans, but he was very poor today. allen was our best midfielder today, though that didn't warrant a great performance by any means.
06 Dec 2015 18:30:11
I differ TJRed, Why did we need 3 CM in the first place is a Big question and I hope someone answer me. If you deply two holding midfidlers, you could sacrifice one CM ( Non scorer ) for an attacking player who might assist?
Lucas and Allen is more than capable to hold the line. We should have had another attacker in the place of Milner who has not scored an open goal since start of the game.
06 Dec 2015 18:10:00
Not a good result today, but it will put all our feet back on the ground. I half expected us to drop points, we always seem to do this after a good run, but we must remember this is why Klopp was brought in and I'm confident he will with a little time make us a force again. He will of learnt a great deal from that performance and it may stand us in good stead, just my views I'm no expert though 😊.
06 Dec 2015 18:16:24
I agree Andy. He'd have found out a lot today. I'm gutted we dropped points but at least almost all the other challengers did.
06 dec 2015 18:15:54
i sincerely hope he drops milner and learns a simple formula; if you intend to succeed with benteke up front, your full backs / wide players need to hit the byline and whip in crosses.
06 Dec 2015 18:09:31
A little unlucky today the game could of go be either way, especially with the bit of luck they had with Moreno goal being disallowed but they probably just deserved it, we just need to get back on it against the baggies next week, we certainly missed Can and his power in midfield. No point in getting too disappointed though.
06 Dec 2015 18:21:52
It wasn't his power we missed, it was his contributions in both the attacking and defensive thirds of the pitch. Allen contributes little in both, Lucas only in defence and, well today, Milner contributed nothing everywhere. If Henderson was fit enough the result would have been different but we were owned in midfield - lose the battle there and you will likely lose the game. Can is a big player for us these days, we missed him today.
06 Dec 2015 18:00:05
Instead of being negative about the result we should forget about it and move on as all of the big teams had a bad weekend and not much damage has been done.
06 Dec 2015 17:36:56
Said before kick off weak midfield and then have offerered nothing offensively. Milner is a broken record. Sick of myself repeating about him. Offers nothing. Klopp gives him games.
What is don't like is this rotation now. Just play the players performing. Players shouldn't be dropped because they are tired at this stage .
06 Dec 2015 17:45:39
Agreed. Dare I say, Klopp got it wrong.
06 Dec 2015 17:55:52
Hate to admit it but I agree Klopp got it all wrong today. Attack looked so disjointed. Allen paired with Lucas meant we got overrun constantly no power and pace in that. Missed Can terribly today, no spark or creativity anywhere and final ball was dreadful. Seems Firmino is only good when paired with Coutinho thought he was poor again. Not a single player looked good today, maybe Ibes done ok but his final ball once again was lacking.
06 Dec 2015 17:57:51
I said in another psor and got criticised bjt we need a creator like Alonso in the middle. There all too workman like and when you have Lucas you don't need any others.
The chemestry of a 3 should be a defendor (lucas) a runner (hendo) and controller/dictator (? )
Milner, Allen, Lucas, can etc are all to similar for me personally!
06 Dec 2015 18:01:53
We needed this result though ofcourse I didn't want it but it brings a lot of fans back down to earth.
Top 4 will be a success this season because we are weak in a couple of first team areas that even Klopps magic won't make up for. And I do believe we will make top 4.
06 Dec 2015 18:04:58
Paulo milner doesn't fall into any category.
06 Dec 2015 18:07:18
Lallana should have started; Firmino gave us nothing today. Benteke seemed lost; we were better with no CF. lesson learned I hope by Klopp. Shame we had perfectly good goal ruled out. No luck today at all.
06 Dec 2015 18:16:07
The fsct fir and ben both had a rest in the week and both couldn't muster a 5 yard sprint (I know they would of) but it was to very lazy performance.
Klopp didn't get it wrong because his thinking was correct. I have 70 million pound of talent to play up top on the weekend and neither turned up for him.
06 Dec 2015 18:16:16
Klopp getting it wrong and Newcastle getting it right are 2 different things. He put a plan in motion to play against a really poor Newcastle team who have been incapable of anything this season and today they decided to show up.
I think they were caught off guard and reverted to the way we used to play, many of these players are used to playing under Rogers and this kind of game was a regular occurrence.
I'm more lead to believe that our players struggle with the consistancy of getting points from games against lower league opposition. It's been happening for years.
Yesterday, loads of people called this result before it had happened.
It will take time but its something I'm very confident klopp will iron out of this team.
06 Dec 2015 16:30:47
30 mins in, seems it's not the high energy we're used to. Ibe looks really bright and a threat every time he runs at them. Milner seems really off the pace, second to the ball and a little sluggish. They haven't really threatened yet but we'll need to step it up a gear or two. Still, we should get the 3 points here.
06 Dec 2015 16:37:29
Milner has been shocking, benteke hasn't had delivery but I don't see any effort from him.
I can't believe milner is one of our highest paid players.
06 Dec 2015 16:43:54
Milner's been a joke - won nothing, played dreadful passes since kick off, not tracked back effectively and generally just playing awfully. Get him off at half time, undermining the whole team he's been so bad.
06 Dec 2015 16:49:13
Lucas has been well off the pace today, to slow on the ball, keeps getting caught in possession, Bentekes been static upfront as wel, but much movement from him, it's all set up for sturidge and lallana.
06 Dec 2015 16:51:22
We just don't have anyone running beyond benteke! That doesn't help as all the play is in front of the Newcastle back line!
06 Dec 2015 16:52:17
I agree Milner is having a poor game so far, but why bring his wages into it, unless of course you are paying it.
06 Dec 2015 17:13:17
We are playing a very away fixture style, very different to Southampton even though that also was away!
Milner has been poor and keep hoping the passes don't go to him, but they do and he loses possession a lot. Allen is covering well and tidying up Milners errors.
Lucas is not doing too well either for that, central areas having problems and that's the heart of the play! Benteke needs to be replaced with Sturridge sometime soon to fire up the forwards, he doesn't look that interested!
Lovren, Clyne and Ibe doing well and Firminos running back is looking good, going forward he is struggling.
We need some flair to come on and work Coloccini!
06 Dec 2015 17:20:34
Ha, I honk Klopp heard me!
06 Dec 2015 17:24:24
Looks like its going to be one of those games that if we aren't careful they will sneak one and game over, Ibe has to work on when to get rid of the ball as his final pass is terrible. Benteke is frustrated at the lack of and also poor service. Why does it seem that Lucas is going to give a free kick away and likely a card? Poor performance.
06 Dec 2015 17:37:43
Red twist
Milner is the club's highest earner.
06 Dec 2015 17:58:00
I can't describe how disgusted I am with Milner. He really epitomizes the poor display. A lot of poor touches and misplaced passes but Milner has lead the pack, completely destroyed any momentum going forward by making terrible decisions and misplacing passes all over the place. How he stayed on the pitch for the full 90 is truly a mystery. Not a Capitan and not midfielder. I really don't see what he offers.
06 Dec 2015 18:04:48
Big Al, I can only try my best and be as good as I can be l. So is it my fault if someone wants to pay me more than the others.
06 Dec 2015 15:16:13
Hey lfc fans
I think the selection today will suit Newcastle
I don't think the front three have enough movement especially benteke and it will be easier for the centre backs to mark benteke who badly needs to work on his movement
I think Liverpool will definitely need origi and Sturridge to save the day today .
06 Dec 2015 15:23:29
Jesus Christ, some people haven't a clue, complaining about Benteke 15 games into his Liverpool career which he has scored 5 goals and been injured for a decent portion of them 15 games. Origi to save us today, talk about knee jerk reaction. This kid has been underwhelming so far this season when called upon and one good game and now he is our saviour. He will be w good player but is not in Benteke's league yet.
06 Dec 2015 15:23:30
Absolute drivel!
06 Dec 2015 15:29:40
I hope it's a diamond with firmino off benteke. Firmino has great movement and bentekes a handful for any defence.
06 Dec 2015 15:31:44
It is quite astonishing how one good game by Origi made him our new savour. I have learned not to argue with Klopp's lineups even though I would almost automatically want Sturridge to start every game if fit. But we will wait and see. So far Klopp showed he knows what he is doing.
06 Dec 2015 15:32:32
Red lobster
As usual you are bang on, I agree 100%.
06 Dec 2015 15:36:33
You've never said anything positive on this site not even after we beat Chelsea 3-1, Man City 4-1 and Southampton 6-1.
06 Dec 2015 15:42:53
Every post he makes is the same boring crap. No matter what team klopp puts out Mr nobster will always say were in trouble. Boooring!
06 Dec 2015 15:45:03
I'm pretty sure he predicted we'd lose all those games too.
06 Dec 2015 16:53:05
Well he is a man u fan, can't believe you lot falling for it.
Red Lobster has to do something to entertain himself considering Man U MOTD highlights last 13 seconds.
06 Dec 2015 18:07:39
Again I'm not a Man Utd fan I'm just realistic and you guys just can't take it
Clearly u don't know benteke.
Firmin seems only to play well alongside coutinho you guys wil notice soon
Anyway Milner didn't play midweek I thought he would be a man possessed today. Very poor
But I did tell u guys lfc feed off movement and the first half selection clearly demonstrated my earlier point
Learning curve guys . Relax klopp will get it right so lfc can start beating the lesser teams and be just as fired up for it.
06 Dec 2015 18:31:35
Have to say I think you are right about Benteke. He's not a bad player, but he really is very static. Would have fit well into a Ferguson era United side with 100 crosses a game, not so much for us in my opinion.
06 Dec 2015 12:35:40
I know I maybe jumping the gun abit but I think we don't need to buy to be honest our defence is looking as strong as ever our midfield we have plenty of cover and our strike force is is as good as any of the other top 4 if not better. hats of to brendan for getting a quality bunch of players shame he couldn't use it properly.
06 Dec 2015 14:24:33
Mostly agree but
1) that assume Lovren continues to improve as he has done under Klopp
2) we'd struggle if either Moreno or Clyne got injured for the rest of the season
Hopefully Sakho and Flanno come back soon and I'd feel a bit more comfortable.
06 Dec 2015 14:26:30
Priority should be :
1) trim squad, cut wage budget and make space for young players to come through
2) Quality over quantity.
06 Dec 2015 14:41:08
I agree to a certain extent jamesy I think we should buy one more defender. ( for cover ) and start using and inter grating the young lads in. Especially under Klopp Ibe is flourishing.
06 Dec 2015 14:53:14
Exactly Ron keague
Quality over quantity which is what we've failed to do for as long as I can remember.
06 Dec 2015 15:10:07
Shout there Ron.
06 Dec 2015 15:02:29
I notice you didn't mention our keeper (not specifically anyway), while Mingolet has improved and his goals against on paper is impressive. I still feel if we have top 4 or better aspirations, we need to replace him. He is shaky in general, not the best on crosses and poor with his feet and I think his positioning is suspect.
Also he does not fill the team with any degree of confidence. The talk of him being replaced has certainly cooled lately but as soon as he makes a mistake or two, it will start again. Obviously hope I'm wrong and he goes from strength to strength, but I cannot see it i'm afraid.
As for the vote of confidence off Klopp, well I must say if he genuinely thinks that Migs is good enough, I doubt his judgement in this instance.
06 Dec 2015 15:09:07
We need cover for Full backs. either academy or purchase, But we are short on that front. Clyne cannot play 50 games a season.
06 Dec 2015 15:41:30
You say trim the squad, but who isn't playing? Enrique is about it.
06 Dec 2015 15:51:26
Fencey, was going to say the exact same thing. Klopp's using the entire squad at the moment, maybe we can do one for one swaps but no need to trim.
06 Dec 2015 16:52:22
Well I'm presuming all the loan players with no future goes into trimming the squad. ballotelli and Alberto the obvious ones and if you add people even one or two of markovic ojo Kent etc. Then there might be one or two other players surplus to requirements.
06 Dec 2015 11:40:57
I kind of feel with the Spurs United and city results yesterday, and our opponents, today is a must win?
Won't get many chances to close the gap at the top, especially golden opportunities like today.
Come on red men!
06 Dec 2015 11:52:40
It's not a must win because so many did drop points!? But it would bloody nice!
06 Dec 2015 12:47:11
I think winning this will be very important to players feeling the side has actually banked the previous wins rather than taken two steps forward and one step back. Liverpool has for too long tripped over so called weaker games (there aren't any in the league! ) after winning a big one.
I also think it's possible to show respect but still be attacking. I hope we start Sturridge and Benteke with Firmino at no.10 but it will be critical going forward we don't overcommit and there is always cover for the counterattack. That is something Klopp has done very well so far in keeping the side balanced even when the temptation is to overcommit in search of s goal when on Top.
06 Dec 2015 11:50:30
For years we failed to do just this, I feel this time will be different. I hope.
06 Dec 2015 11:00:11
Big game today. On paper, and in current form, we should take it 2 - 0 or the like, but I think we need to play today like it is a cup final. Newcastle have something to prove to their fans, and I doubt McLaren has already thrown in the towel. Opportunity to inch up the table, even if our position doesn't change. I am sure Klopp will have the lads ready to gegenpress.
06 Dec 2015 11:33:40
Let's just play like we have away from home recently and we will be fine.
06 Dec 2015 11:58:37
Halooo. there was a team whose fans predict min 2-0 but end up 0-0 and was booed of pitch. i think we should avoid these kinda complacent talk of 2-0 before ball is kick.
06 Dec 2015 09:58:40
Cohtinho has not travelled to the Northeast, let's hope it's just precautionary.
Two wins in fourteen for Newcastle is not great but we cannot afford to go into this game thinking the Toon are going to be a push over.
I think they'll be right up for this game so a solid performance, clean sheet and a 1-0, 2-0 win would be good.
06 Dec 2015 10:23:02
I have a feeling that Klopp will go for the formation that we used at Chelsea and Man City, which means that two of Sturridge, Origi and Benteke will be on the bench and the third not in the 18 at all.
Thoughts anyone, would you pick a striker at St James Park?
06 Dec 2015 11:35:51
Play Sturridge when fit he is top quality.
06 Dec 2015 11:43:37
I expect benteke and Firmino to drop back in. Be nice to see Phil on the bench.
06 Dec 2015 12:12:20
Philippe Coutinho stayed in Liverpool. His hamstring is still bothering him a bit.
06 Dec 2015 12:44:34
Play Firmino and Sturridge up top.
06 Dec 2015 08:57:53
Looking forward to the game tonight good luck to the boys, i will be watching in Brisbane Australia at 2am should be rough day at work but that's the price you pay following team you love.
06 Dec 2015 13:21:43
It's midnight for me here in Singapore but to heck with work! :)
05 Dec 2015 21:54:34
Ed001
Steve Finnan or rob Jones? And why?
Crooky.
{Ed001's Note - I am not sure what you actually mean sorry. Do you mean for one match at their best? In which case Jones was the best right back I ever saw. If you mean which was better overall, then it has to go to Finnan as he was excellent for years, while Jones was out due to injury.}
06 Dec 2015 08:04:05
Kromkamp?
06 Dec 2015 11:08:06
Probably Phil Neal for me, however Jones and Finnan were excellent players, but for overall ability Neal for me.
06 Dec 2015 12:29:49
Steve nicol wasn't too bad at right back either.
06 Dec 2015 13:25:16
Rob Jones was amazing. Complete full back with almost ni weakness. If he had stayed fit, Gary Neville would have had a long career as England's backup RB.
06 Dec 2015 15:05:33
Agree with alan50, Phil Neal for me.
06 Dec 2015 01:18:47
Couldn't have hoped for a much better set of results yesterday but still means nothing if we don't capitalise. Come on lads, let's show everyone we've learnt to drive an opportunity home with another good performance!
Bet Chelsea though Bournemouth would be a layup at home at the start of the season. Let's take nothing for granted.
06 Dec 2015 05:44:30
Well said. Klopp and his men need to take Newcastle seriously. Newcastle are a team with decent players who are going through a shocking run of form. At some point, they will turn it around and i hope its not against Liverpool. I want Klopp to take a slightly conservative approach to this game than go slam bang which most fans crave. I would be extremely happy to take a professional 1-0 or 2-0 victory, as points are more important for the club this season than the performance.
06 Dec 2015 07:54:18
but performance also brings results indian buzzer.
06 Dec 2015 08:45:17
Of course performances bring results (Man Utd being an exception) Kaizer. What i meant was the team cannot go into every game looking to win by a substantial margin. We need to respect the opposition because they have decent players and the last thing i want is to see Liverpool get caught off guard once again like they have in the past. Just look at how many posters are already treating the game as a guaranteed 3 points. The team needs to be expressive as well as careful.
06 Dec 2015 09:35:41
i think we have shown respect to all the opponents despite winning by a substantial margin.
im not part of the posters who think it is a guaranteed 3 points, bt i do believe that klopp would have studied the opponents and whatever our game plan is, it surely is an attempt on exploiting their weaknesses.
bt this is football and we win some we lose some, bt the method we're going with currently is bringing results.
06 Dec 2015 00:50:45
Read on here a lot of fans liked Mahrez but personally never watched the guy, a lot of you guys know your football, very good talent.
06 Dec 2015 03:40:27
Absolute worldy and that's mo understatement . Watched him myself after ed001 said he was majestic to watch and he is. Reminds me very much of Gareth bale, fast powerful runs with pace power and a hell of a shot.
06 Dec 2015 07:44:01
Mahrez will be price out of Liverpool's reach, so forget it.
06 Dec 2015 08:51:57
Ed001, what would you value Mahrez at in the current market? £30m?
{Ed001's Note - Leicester don't need or want to sell, so you are talking in excess of £50m most likely. It would really require him to make a move happen, as they are investing to move up.}
06 Dec 2015 08:49:48
He looks a brilliant player to me. Extremely impressed with him. All he needs to keep his head down and focus on the game. Would be a brilliant signing.
06 Dec 2015 14:12:42
Mahrez is an excellent player. Whether we could ever sign him is another matter.
I've been really impressed with Leicesters N'Golo Kante too. Such pace and energy. Fair play to Leicester for their signings.
06 Dec 2015 00:23:33
I am enjoying the general good humour from most on here. Makes for a nice change.
When u win 6-1, who can you slate to be fair.
With the squad looking really strong at the moment I would like to see what fans would think if, instead of buying 4-5 players for 60+ million.
We instead go and buy 1 top player for say, 40 million.
We were never in a position to do this before for numerous reasons. But, simply due to the size and quality of our squad, I now think we could go and do this.
I am not talking specific players but rather, the idea.
06 Dec 2015 02:54:19
Typically in football a £40m price tag is for forwards / attacking midfielders (there are the exceptions David Luiz) ; the thing is when the strikers etc. are fit this is not an area we need to strengthen.
Not sure a CM is on our list of priorities at the moment either.
I suppose the only comparision / situation would have been that Sanchez moved to us as part of the Barcelona deal; I think he would have been a better option that some of the players we bought (that's not to say he was even obtainable as he may not have wanted to join) .
06 Dec 2015 05:13:18
but we don't have 40 million.
06 Dec 2015 06:33:17
Agree with the view we are in a position to strengthen one or two positions rather than try to reconstruct the team yet again, but as mentioned above the only way we'll be able to afford 40mln is if someone leaves for a lot of money which will itself leave a hole to fill. eg a Coutinho or Benteke.
Right now not sure where we'd get best bang for our buck anyway given the team seems to be rapidly improving all over the park. Would rather we wait and see if Sturridge can really remain fit, or if Coutinho stays, or if Can can continue to flourish in midfield, or Ibe continues to improve, or if Migs continues to step up etc. any of those fall away and we may need to spend but at the moment they all seem to be on track and developing fast enough not to need to spend big.
06 Dec 2015 10:17:02
we always overpay for players. We still need to trim the squad before we do anything . Really can't see us bringing in big name players anytime soon. Hopefully if the squad keeps improving we won't need to.
06 Dec 2015 10:58:33
We need a creative mid simple. That's who we have to go and get someone who can dl what can and Allen did on Wednesday, week in and week out. Finding those passes.
Look at the difference in how we played and scored our goals as soon as we started playing so good through and over the top balls.
My worry is can Allen and can do it week in week out, let's seem how we get on during January but I feel we need someone injury free for the majority of a season and someone who will do it every game.
There are players ojt there we just have to look.
Each window nlw we only need to add one or two of the absolute very best we can afford in the key positions we need to strengthen.
06 Dec 2015 12:17:31
the last thing on earth we need is a creative mid. that's just a waste of money for no reason what so ever.
We have Emre, Henderson, and Coutinho. Henderson is one of the top assist leaders in Europe the last 3-4 seasons yet he is somehow not creative for our "fans". Some of Coutinho's best performances in a Liverpool shirt were when he played as a part of a midfield 3. Arsenal and Everton thrashings at Anfield!
Emre is just finding his feet in midfield and improving every single game and he threads lovely passes each game, like the one vs bordeaux or the assist to Sturridge. You just want to buy for the sake of buying and that won't happen under klopp.
06 Dec 2015 00:13:07
Good Evening/Morning Eds and all,
Jamie Vardy.
What are your opinions on him please?
He is top of the Prem goal scoring charts and playing excellently every single game, his desire is relentless.
Does the above mean he is now worth the £25-30m clubs would pay for a player from a 'fashionable' club or for a foreign player with the same scoring record?
If not, then why not?
He plays with the same intensity as Alexis Sanchez every week, has scored a load of goals, and even today provided for a team mate.
The only 3 major teams in Europe who don't need extra fire power are Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Why shouldn't all the others stand up and take note?
Eds, is there a snobbery, such as Redknapp mentioned; where your Chelsea's, Arsenal's, PSG's and Milan's won't look at him because of where he has come from and where he is?
Baffles me, he is playing better than any of the £30m players in the league but people say he is only worth £10m?
Just wanted everyones' thoughts on this.
06 Dec 2015 01:40:17
He's done superbly well given where he came from, had an okay season last year but nothing spectacular. He's high on confidence at the moment but haven't seen him go through a rough patch. He's 28, isn't going to improve that much and relies on pace a lot ( he's only going to get slower from here on) . Have to admire the lad but I wouldn't spend. 20+ mil on him. Had 14 very good game but no resale value.
06 Dec 2015 03:42:01
Lambert was boss two years ago and he came from non league, what's he worth? Flash in the pan imo.
06 Dec 2015 05:11:50
he is no flash in the pan. He isnt't world class perhaps but he has a good eye for goal, isn't too selfish and has good movement.
06 Dec 2015 06:39:02
He's clearly got talent, work ethic and the right attitude, fair play to the lad. He's probably not being given enough credit yet but then again until he goes through a slump and comes back strong it'll be hard to prove how much is form and a bit of luck turning something very very good into something great.
Remember Kane was a phenomenon not so long ago, now he's just a very good striker.
06 Dec 2015 08:36:17
I think he is very good and definitely more than 10 mil but I personally think that he should not leave Leicester.
We already know what happens if he joins a big club and his start is not so good. Fans, media and the experts will turn on him : (
Only 2 managers who can take him and be patient inspite of outside pressure : Klopp and Wenger.
06 Dec 2015 09:11:02
He's had a start to the prem most dream of in terms of games, but in Decembe rand February we'll really see what he's made of. I think they have , LFC, City Chelsea and Everton coming up this month.
His entire team is playing into his hands with counterattacking football, and he has a tendency to just put his head down and blast the ball when shooting which worked up until yesterday (He really should have scored the 1 vs 1) at the top level I don't think playing counter attacking football is an option hoping the defense needs a high line, and I would expect his finishing to be much more accomplished than head down and hit hard.
As an over all striker I'm not impressed, We've seen this stuff before Lambert, phillips, Johnson, Bent.
At a bigger club who won't sit and counter he'll be exposed.
06 Dec 2015 15:08:31
Flash in the pan.
05 Dec 2015 23:28:40
Ed002/Ed001 and all the other Eds, wanted to say thanks for all the info you give us. Very privileged to have such information at such a convenience.
Also, just wanted to let you know that I saw you called a poster a "glifnard. " I wasn't sure what it meant, so naturally I googled it. 2nd page on the list, below urban dictionary, was a link to Ed002's appreciation society. Your reputation is growing!
{Ed002's Note - Have you not signed up for the Ed002 Appreciation Society at: tinyurl.com/c6j7t2m TJ - there is always room for a fan.}
06 Dec 2015 02:58:24
Haha I would Ed but I'm not a Facebook user. Only reason I kept the one I have is for birthdays 😂.
{Ed002's Note - It is a cool place to hang out everyone tells me. Free tequila and liberal chicks.}
06 Dec 2015 03:53:21
do you supply the tequila or is it that cheap stuff ed001 buys?
{Ed002's Note - Ed001 doesn't drink.}
06 Dec 2015 11:57:26
It's like staying at the YMCA.