Liverpool Banter Archive February 06 2017

06 Feb 2017 21:48:45
I know the summer long time away but if you look at the postions we need. This is just me. People can have there say

New gk
CB
Lb
A defensive midfielder who can Sence danger
Winger

We talking at least 70mil for top talent.

There should be a lot sold and the wage bill should be healthy to bring these players if we what to be up there like Chelsea.

06 Feb 2017 22:19:26
I agree but with with Sturridge looking likely to leave, Ings being injured and we are yet to see if he can really do a job for us and Origi still pretty raw I'd like to see a striker in the mold of Harry Kane.

Bobby has done well but iv said it before he isn't an out an out goalscorer. He need someone who can do what he does but also hold the ball up, not be bullied by defenders and get on the end of crosses when teams sit deep.

And before people say Carroll, Lambert, Benteke didn't work, I don't mean players like them. Kane presses from the front and works hard which they didn't. Hopefully Origi can step up again as he's already shown there is talent there, but he's young and having that little dip all young players do.

06 Feb 2017 23:32:46
Thats the whole difference in mentality right there.

70 million spread across 5/ 6 players is why 9/ 10 you don't end uo with quality.

Whats the most pressing position there. goal keeper?

Find the best, attainable keeper we can and keep biding until we have him. If that's 38 million for oblak. then done.

Next on the list lb? Got juanma.

So cb. Nik sule? Again keep biding 35/ 40 million? Too much. Walk away and that's your lot.

Until next summer.

Got an academy there for players aswel. If you can't get the best avaliable to you walk away. don't try and spread 60/ 70 million over a few players.

07 Feb 2017 01:38:30
that's all just fantasy numbers. if you want to spend 70mil then you're taking risks with players and hoping klopp can get them up to speed. winger? mane cost 34 mil and we probably feel like we got a bargain. not sure what a DM that can 'Sense danger' would cost but i'm Guessing will be north of 25mi. that leaves you 11mil for a GK, LB and CB. we should just be targeting absolute first team players. if that only means we bring in two at a higher cost then that's what we should do and try and develop from the squad to fill other gaps.

07 Feb 2017 04:49:41
@Westwood - Origi's goals to games ratio is appalling for a striker. He may be a useful player to have in and around the squad but i'm not sure he'll ever be the 20-goal a season striker you want us to aim for.

@Supermane - Sule has already agreed to join Bayern. I agree with your sentiments though, absolute quality should be the priority rather than spreading resources thinly for 5 or 6 positions - we've done that a lot in previous transfer windows and it has not paid dividends.

{Ed001's Note - Origi is young, very few players have a good scoring ratio at his age, it is later they develop into a goalscorer usually. Sometimes very late.}

07 Feb 2017 08:27:23
Precisely ed, he may not become world class but i truly believe he can become an excellent player if given the time to develop.

07 Feb 2017 10:40:39
Too many changes all at once disrupts the team.
We are not that far off that we need 7 first team players.

07 Feb 2017 10:41:23
Sule is off to Bayern and I think Karius should be given a true chance (not 10 measly games) to prove himself as he's a talented GK.

07 Feb 2017 11:15:49
Are people ignoring Danny Ward completely? The lad is coming back from a loan in summer and if you buy a GK what is his future at the club?

07 Feb 2017 10:54:48
Look at costas early record, he was awful and loaned out several times up to the age of around 24. Origi will be a great striker in the future for me.

07 Feb 2017 12:27:51
His record at Liverpool is not bad at all if you look at it fairly.

In 28 starts Origi has 13 goals. Pretty much a goal every other game. That is not bad for a 21 year old striker!

In a further 35 substitute appearances he has 5 goals. When you consider that the average time he would be on the pitch for this is about 15 minutes, that is decent. It also means that throwing him on has a high chance of changing the game for us. Not many subs come on and make an impact. Most fail to get up to speed before the final whistle!

Good young player who has too much pressure on him due to Sturridge being completely out of form.

07 Feb 2017 13:20:43
I didn't mean sule exactly.

Just i know he is very good quality. So if he was avaliable qould be a target. If he would be too of our lsit for cb then just pay whatever is jeeded aslong as it in budget. 40/ 50 million. It sounds a lot but if were spending 50/ 60 mil a summer on a lot of pkayers it better on just oje top top top quality.

07 Feb 2017 17:28:41
Origi is 21, for heaven's sake. Give him a chance. When on form, we've seen what he can do so I will stick with him till he shows he can't cut it anymore. Same with Karius.

06 Feb 2017 20:27:57
Ed01

If your about. Would love to get your opinion on why our form has dipped in the last month?

Pundits blirt on about managers and teams working out how to play against us.

Others talk about our lack of strength in depth and I have even heard the "Klopps" team can play only one way with no plan B if it isn't working.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this and what you anticipate from us in the coming months of the season if you have time?

Thanks in advance

Jon.

{Ed001's Note - the main issue is complacency, which always creeps in to our players the minute we get on top. We have recruited badly for years, players with no desire, drive or hunger, except for one notable exception, and look at where he got us! We have had numerous chances to buy players or bring through ones with that hunger and failed. One of the reasons Flanno was so successful is that he possessed that drive which we need. There was no slacking off because it is 'only Hull' from him. Sadly this is something that is going to take a lot to change.

The worrying thing is that at least two of the players we recruited in the summer also suffer from the same issues, or have in the past. Mane was known to only show up for the big games and had a tendency to coast through the games against the lesser lights. Wijnaldum has a similar reputation as well, though, at Newcastle, that was the same throughout the team, who were well known for only trying when they were the live TV game!

The rest of the season is worrying, confidence is shot, while those around us are getting themselves together and into good form. Klopp needs to reignite the fire in the bellies we had early doors, when we were at it and the movement up top was good. I fear our season will peter out now into a battle for a Europa League spot, but I hope Klopp will be able to lift the players and get them going again.

I am not worried about other teams working us out, etc, that is not what has happened, as they have not had to. If there is good movement up top, then we will beat teams, but we lack that right now. One thing we do have to sort, and quickly, is set pieces. How can we not have one player who can put in a decent delivery on a consistent basis? How can we be so appallingly bad at defending them on a consistent basis?}

06 Feb 2017 21:13:43
I truly believe that the lads are an honest bunch. I think we are in a bad way but Klopp will turn it around. We will push for 3rd IMO. It's nice to win every week but football isn't like that. Look at that championship winning Chelsea side last season, look at Leicester this year, when things go bad these runs can happen.

We are one good win from being back on track. I have absolutely no doubt. If spurs think they are in for an easy ride next Saturday then they will be sorely mistaken.

06 Feb 2017 21:30:53
ed001 - lately klopp has made comments that basically suggest he doesn't think our current players are good enough to do what he needs consistently. I'm talking about his comments about wanting and needing to bring players in and also his comments post-wolves that basically gave away that the players he put out weren't what he thought they were. (sorry to not be specific on his quotes, but hopefully you remember his post match comments and the gist. )

anyways, my current wonder-out-aloud is whether the players have caught wind of this and are perhaps demotivated by it? I'm not talking locker room unrest or that kind of thing. But I imagine if I were any of those players and had given so much into preseason and running every game, then hear talk from my manager that he actually wants better players etc that would deflate me somewhat, wouldn't you?

you hear what I'm saying ed? or caught any whiff of that kind of talk from the players?

{Ed001's Note - personally I would say that, if you are right, it just proves his point, because players with the right attitude would try harder to prove him wrong. Remember when Rodgers tried to push Hendo out the door? He just worked harder and fought for his place. That is the kind of players we need.

I do think you maybe right though, to be honest, I do think a lot have just got an 'I can't be arsed' attitude now.}

06 Feb 2017 21:58:57
We must take the worst corners in the league, in fact possibly the entire history of the top flight. It's not just this season either.

06 Feb 2017 22:31:25
For me, our lack of a set piece specialist is also the root cause of how bad we are at defending set pieces.

How are our lads at the back supposed to train to defend decent corners if they aren't training with anyone good at taking them?

Milner and Henderson hit the hall way to flat to cause any danger. Coutinho can hit the odd decent corner in, but he is erratic at best.

We need a set piece specialist who can also seemlessly fit into the side.

06 Feb 2017 22:36:40
yeah I fully agree ed. I think that you learn a lot about people in how they respond to adversity. we all need a shoulder every now and then, but i think that Klopp has given a lot of warmth and love to his players aye? interesting to see how the players respond for the rest of the season. everything is still within in our control and it can stay that way if we get stuck in. maybe a good thing that we have games against our main rivals coming up aye!?

{Ed001's Note - hopefully, as the players always seem to be up for the bigger games.}

06 Feb 2017 23:36:58
Think your all just way off.

The team was sound for the first 18 games.

Lost a few players here and there.

The main problem is what was faces by brendan. teams are just parking the bus trully now and drawing us on and on until were vunerable and attacking.

This was the whole reason benteke was bought because it becomes incredibly tedious to move and create great opportunities when teams are players 6-3-1

He needs to find a different solution but its got nout to do with the players attitudes in my opinion.

07 Feb 2017 02:45:11
you know supermane, you're probably right! I think Klopp is finding out a lot about his players in this case. If they kept stats for the number of 1-2s a team plays per game, I am 100% certain we would be at the bottom of that stat worldwide including amateur leagues lol!

These guys can play, but they don't show it consistently enough! why? Klopp and the team will figure that out soon I hope! Klopp has said on more than one occassion that our guys need to move the ball quicker, be brave in possession against these kinds of teams etc. the challenge is breaking down whatever mental block it is that is rotting away at our mentality!

07 Feb 2017 08:38:52
Its all about attitude supermane, you can't tell me man for man hull or Bournemouth or swansea have better players than us. No! Yes!

Forget formations and players missing etc, there is enough quality just about to be beating these teams. The problem is these players have no real affinity to the club or fans, just to their bank balances and their twitter followers. Just like the europa final or the humiliating stoke debacle this group yet again has collectively given up and its sickening. Sickening for those fans that sacrifice other things in their life to be able to afford to go watch them week in and week out.

Yes its just a game, but how much value do you put on a fans love for the club they support only to see its employees half assed efforts and them only turning up when it suits them against the big boys.

07 Feb 2017 11:10:50
I think there are a few issues:

1. The movement up front, this has practically disappeared, there is virtually no interchange between the front three.

2. Coutinho's injury, really hurt our team losing his threat, and now he is going through his obligatory 6-7 rusty games that he usually suffers when coming back from an injury.

3. Lallana and Firmino's lack of form, this for me has probably been the biggest factor in our recent bad patch, Lallana being moved back into a position he struggled with last season has destroyed his confidence and he has gone back to having no effect on the game, and Firmino just looks completely jaded and uninterested (didn't even attempt to challenge Luiz all match) . A clear indication of their lack of form is their lack of pressing, these two are not putting in the levels they were showing 2 months ago.

4. Losing Mane, undoubtedly hurt us as his pace scares teams, but in all honesty there were signs that things were beginning to go wrong before he left for the AFCON.

5. Teams sitting deep, this is a definite tactic teams are now deploying against us and we simply do not know what to do to counter it.

6. Dodgy defence, I think a big reason for the increase in the amount of side to side passes we've recently seen is that our players are petrified of losing possession and the other team just going down the other end of the pitch and scoring every time. Just look at the 2nd Hull goal and the penalty Chelsea had, they are identical situations, and both times we defended like rank amateurs.

7. Substitutes not having any impact, I think there is quite a bit of disillusion amongst our bench, Sturridge is just going through the motions, he knows he's gone in the Summer (big games against Utd, City and chelsea and he doesn't even come off the bench is a clear indication that Klopp doesn't think he can do anything for us) ; Origi looks completely bereft of confidence, I don't think being moved left, right, central of the front 3 has done him any favours, he's a CF and nothing else. Moreno, well we all know he's rubbish, (and what's all this cutting back onto his right foot all of a sudden, he doesn't have a bloody right foot! ) .

8. Support from the crowd, this is a double edged sword as the crowd tend to respond to how the team are playing, but there can be no doubt that groaning and slagging players off at the ground when the make a mistake or a misplaced pass will have a negative impact on them.

9. Stubbornness from Klopp, Klopp needs to change or tweak things with the formation and tactics, he is waiting too long to make substitutions and giving the subs virtually no time to get into the game.

10. Selection decisions, Klopp is doing a bit of a Rafa and is playing defensive or holding midfielders (or disrupters, call them what you like) type players when there is absolutely no need and it is actually having a negative effect. You do not need Emre Can on in games against the likes of Hull and Swansea, these are teams who are going to sit back, soak up pressure and launch the ball forward as soon as they can completely bypassing the midfield.

Just my thoughts anyway.

07 Feb 2017 10:54:27
Our attitude vs lesser teams have become disgraceful. If you watch the Wolves game, our players looked like they were having a kick about and only Woodburn, a 17 yr old kid, looked like he cared.

Flanno at his best, gave the opposition the business (ask Sterling), always letting them know what they were dealing with. non of that drive exists anymore. It was there in the first half of the season but no longer. Same with Hull in the first half. We just went through the motions, passed to Couts and see what happens. Swansea was the same. We only played after we were two down.

Adding to the fact that some players have shown they can no longer cut it at LFC, Studge being the main culprit. Migs and Can have been poor as Migs has shown he is NO upgrade on Karius (shocking, I know) n Can is still not learning while Origi is having a wretched season, overall. We don't get stuck in hence, lesser teams don't have to do much to beat us.

07 Feb 2017 13:23:40
God because you lose dwsnt mean the pkayers only care about there bank balance. Sick of hearing that.

The okayers care as with there performances for the first half of the season. Noone is currebtly walking about it just the difficulty has gone from pro to oegendary and maybe just maybe the quality isn't there for this.

Are these players as good as we all thought?

They all work hard yes.

07 Feb 2017 16:36:50
Noah - That's not fair, it wasn't working for Ejiara but he was trying as well.

07 Feb 2017 17:30:44
Hijkle, I will never criticize a young player or a teenager. I was referring to the so called "old heads" around him.

06 Feb 2017 19:53:41
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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page - try the appropriate page.}

06 Feb 2017 19:39:13
Hi Guys

Mt 2 penneth worth,

for a number of years now we have suffered from the same problem, a lack of concentration causing too many individual mistakes. When you look at the goals scored against us over the past 2-3 years and especially the past season, they have mostly come about from individual mistakes and mainly by the same players, Mingolet, Louvren, Clyne, Moreno. This has to be erradicated - against Hull again Mings messes up puts the team under pressure and then confidence drops. We are constantly having 70% of possesion and losing or drawing the game by individual mistakes. The question has to be asked why are we constantly making silly individual mistakes? Teams know know that they can sit back soak up the pressure and wait until we mess up and hand them a goal, We are not mentally strong enough. Mings and Louvren are our biggets culprets, so for me they have to go, mistakes destroy confidence and it must be so frustrating to see the same mistakes loose us game after game.
We have to get the spine of the team sorted, Starting from the Keeper - the last decent keeper we had bodgers got rid of. We need are desperate for a strong confident keeper, another strong centre back to partner Matip, and a dedicated no 9.
I am sure Klopp knows what he is doing and i am confident he will get it right, however with the defense we have at the moment we can't expect to win anything and ia am sure Klopp Knows it.

YNWA

In Klopp we trust.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair to Rodgers, Reina wanted out and was forcing the issue, so he had little choice. Though a more experienced manager might have been able to command the respect of the player and convince him to stay, admittedly, I still do not think that blame can be laid at Rodgers' door for Reina leaving. That is firmly down to the player, who had been nothing but a problem since Valero left.}

06 Feb 2017 20:16:46
How can people not put two and two together and work out that all these problems started with mignolet.

It was at the end of daglishs tenure that there were rumours of agger and skrtel both being wanted by city and brendan stating that neither were leaving. They where all performing quite well but this was before suarez had become el numero uno superstar only hitting 11 premierleague goals.

Reina 11/ 12 40 conceded dag
Reina 12/ 13 42 conceded bre
Mig 13/ 14 50 conceded bre
Mig 14/ 15 48 conceded bre
Mig 15/ 16 50 conceded bre/ klopp

Its an extra 10 goals conceded per season since he joined that's not what a keeper should bring. We should be between 30/ 40 conceded each year. Those ten extra saves per year could add 10 points.

Can noone else see it. And before you all say karius was no better i just looked and he only had 5 premier league games before he was dropped. 5!

Mignolet has had 133.

You all think karius could get abit more time?

06 Feb 2017 20:35:10
Great post supermane. the stats don't lie. Migs has been a 3 yr disaster yet he's still at the club and wd have made no attempt to sign a top goalie. I know our defence is generally poor but you start with the geeza between the sticks. Quality brings confindence and stability. Migs brings chaos and nerves and always has done. Id give Karius the nod for the rest of the season then buy a top keeper in the Summer. pkease lfc buy a god damn decent keeper!

06 Feb 2017 21:09:47
The recipie of Goals conceded.

One bowl of non existent midfield who are in danger of any counter attack. Add one glass of High pressing full back who leave acres of space behind for someone to run. Mix one half of CB ( Klavan, Lucas, Lovren ) all possessing 0 pace gets dragged down by any half decent pacy striker. Now stir them with two keepers who are competing with each other for maximum mistakes.
Now put this inside the Owen, A manager who is yet to figure out a way to organize a decent defense.

Your Goals conceded dish is ready to use.
😄.

06 Feb 2017 21:34:10
Completely agree a top keeper would give the team more confidence, how many times has De Gea saved united the past few years . one mistake and it's a goal confidence gone we push to get back in the game then get caught on the break.

It would also probably help not having two players not good enough for our midfield in our back four too.

06 Feb 2017 23:47:53
This is always what you need to do with the majority of mignolets conceded goals. Think of a lloris, de gea type and imagine them facing whatever shot it was and 80% of the time you will go de gea saves that. jeses sometimes over the past years you have watched motd and united highl8ghts have just been de gea.

Whens the last time someone scored a goal againdt us where you went what a finish. or it was on goal of the month. a 3o yard screamer with his eyes closed. They are practically always saves he should make. we could have one of the best records in the prem in my opinion.

Everyone always goes on about the rest of the team but you do realise no matter how good you are, your keeper has to make a save at some point, he has to bail you out at some point. Tottenham have a terrific record but do you not think lloris has had to make a save. of course these keepers make mistakes and that but they make there saves those ones that there paid to make better than ehat a fan could do for free.

Saving for a keeper is like controlling the ball for an outfield player. Its nothing really to be praised about as it is a minium job requirement to be a f@#$#@g professional footballer.

Its like getting someone to try a new food all thiz.

Get mignolet out of goal and i trust you we will improve as a whole defensivly if whoever comes in is giving as much support as mignolet has had. Not 5 games.

But remember there will be times we conceed goals its not a reason to drop the next keeper.

Let karius or whoever have there 100+ games.

07 Feb 2017 11:07:31
Super, Karius WAS the choice for Klopp but the moaners on here got on his back cos he made two mistakes and hence, forced Klopp's hand to take him out of the team cos to them "he's losing us the PL" nonsense, like we could win it this season with a squad of 15 good players at best. Now that error prone Migs (who they clamoured for) has returned the one whom Karius was brought in to replace, has returned and cost us points again (shocking I know) they now want Karius back in. This is a microcosm of the state of LFC today. Knee jerk reactions and an inability to be patient with new players. Even Klopp is being called out for the sack. Good Grief!

06 Feb 2017 17:22:07
Hi all,
It may have been mentioned before if I'm mistaken that fsg may be looking to sell in 2017?
Do you think this could be one of the reasons why no players have arrived in January?

Keep up the great work eds
Regards
Dan Henry.

{Ed002's Note - No, the matters are entirely unrelated.}

06 Feb 2017 17:32:37
Thanks ed002.

06 Feb 2017 15:05:38
Why does Kopp always wait till 60 minutes plus to make his first substitution. Then next one in last 10 mins. If it's not working what's wrong with half time substitutions or even first half. It would give the players a kick up the arse and give the sub (s) time to make an impact.

If he dosen't fancy Sturridge or Original give one of the young lads a chance. Not saying a full team change like in cups (although after Hull?) .
Bringing on or starting one of the kids will see what they can do with experienced players around them and I'm sure the crowd would back them more than some of the dross we have on show.

We all have our opinions of which players should stay and which should be kept. I know not all the young lads will make it but if one or two could come through it would allow Kopp to spend the money on players we definitely need.

Don't say the kids are to young. If you are good enough you are old enough. Was Gerrard, Owen, Fowler ect to young. When I look around if a player at a top. team isn't playing regularly by 21-22 years of age chances are they won't make it at all.

06 Feb 2017 17:32:24
Because he doesn't want to disrupt the flow and rhythm of the game and the tactics. A new player could be a wrong sub or a right one which is a gamble. He trust his first eleven to finish the job unless they are being dominated by the opposition which has never been the case. The problem is his tactics towards teams who sit back and absorb the pressure.

06 Feb 2017 18:18:44
Agree with some of that but earlier substitutions allow the new player or players to get into the game and so influence the flow and rhythm of the game not have to rush around trying to get up to pace and make an influence. I don't mean late substitutionsummer are always bad and they can work but when it's obvious things aren't going well change it don't wait till its to late.

07 Feb 2017 05:23:52
I agree with Boom if something hasn't worked for 60 minutes then it is a strange assumption to make that it will somehow work in the next 20 minutes but, if not, then we'll change it with barely any time for the impact of such change to be felt. If things aren't going your way substitutions should be made quickly and decisively - there is no guarantee of success but good substitutions are were managers make their money - just waiting until its too late is not what any world-class manager would do.

{Ed001's Note - was Paisley not world class then? How many times did he change what the team were doing? If you have belief in what you are trying to do, then you don't want to change that for something you don't believe in.}

07 Feb 2017 06:46:45
Paisley had world class players and leaders all over the pitch. It wasn't very often he had to make substitutions because the players on the pitch couldn't change or adapt to the game. Plus Paisley had only one sub not the 3 we get now so we could change one player at half time and still have more to change than Paisley had.
The players now are now where near as good and we have no leaders on the pitch.
All managers even Paisley had a plan B so they want the first 11 to do well and win but they know it dosent always happen so they also believe in the subs they have can change the game or they may as well not use any subs with your argument.
We all know Paisley was a brilliant manager but you offer a very poor argument using him as an example as they way sub substitutes are use now is completely different to Paisleys era.

06 Feb 2017 10:02:26
Eds is Dr Steve Peters still at the club?

{Ed001's Note - he was still available to be used, but he was not directly employed, thankfully. His methods didn't stop us collapsing at the end of the 2013/14 season did they? They certainly haven't done much for England either. He was great in cycling, but no one else had an equivalent, no one else in the world had the facilities and the finances being thrown at cycling at the time that Britain was doing it. So a lot of the improvements were, similar to Wenger when he arrived in England, down to just increased professionalism over the opposition, rather than any psychological stuff.}

06 Feb 2017 14:11:48
Gerrard slipped.

We had just won 11 straight games. The chelsea game wasnt bottled. It was a team playing 1-10-0-0 and once they got the goal it gave them every insentive to hold on.

Then we smashed palace only to keep trying for more goals incase city slipped up we had to get 5/ 6 more or something.

Then we beat newcastle.

Where was the end of season collapse? :S

Gerrard doesn't slip and we draw that game then we wouldn't of tried for more against palace and then we beat newcastle and that would of been the league.

Just can't advocate for other people getting the blame when if allen had of slipped he would of been chased out the city.

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard's slip is irrelevant, we were not winning that game regardless of his slip. We did not smash Palace, check the scoreline. We lost focus constantly that season throughout the team, hence the ludicrous amount of goals conceded. You are being a dick simply to be a dick with this. Gerrard did not cost us the title, we lost it dropping points to teams throughout the season, not in one game. Allen did not slip and lose the ball, so your petty snide digs about him getting chased out of the city are pure supposition and complete nonsense.}

06 Feb 2017 14:27:59
I agree ed, but if your going to slag Brendan's team for goals conceded then you can't get away from the fact that Klopps team is exactly the same?

{Ed001's Note - how am I slagging them? This is nothing to do with Rodgers or Klopp. Will people read the OP and stick to the topic instead of making up irrelevant points. I am talking about Dr Steve Peters and how his work failed us. We lost focus constantly, in particular during that Palace match, and that was one of the main things he should have improved. Forget who was in charge, I am talking purely about Peters and his role. Forget everything else, this is not about Rodgers or Klopp.}

06 Feb 2017 14:38:34
Ok fair one, I do get sidetracked quite easily. Sorry mate 😁.

{Ed001's Note - everyone seems to on here. The actual point seems to get lost as people look for thungs to argue over.}

06 Feb 2017 14:43:45
Sorry to bring it up Ed01 I just remember gerrard talking about how much he helped him when he was at the club and how he himself recommended him to hodgson for him to come in and help the england team, As for the 2014 Season it isn't Gerrards Slip that haunts me it was the game vs city when Sterling made a run at the halfway line through the middle leaving only him and the keeper and the linesman called offside when he was 5 yards on haunts me everyday if we won that game but oh well.

{Ed001's Note - exactly there were hundreds of things that stopped us winning. As for Peters, the proof is in the pudding and he has done nothing to prove he can make a difference. Gerrard may have enjoyed working with him but his game showed no mental improvement from working with Peters. That slip alone showed a lack of mental focus which is Peters' responsibility to work on. The only instance of true success that Peters is involved in, apart from his personal achievements as an over age athlete, was UK cycling. That was not down to him and all about the change from amateur cycling to professional athletes and diet, better equipment etc. The UK team was so far ahead of the rest that Peters was irrelevant.}

06 Feb 2017 15:43:59
Wonder how many points Gerrard won for us that season by scoring and making decisive goals. Not all about that one match.

{Ed001's Note - and how many goals were conceded by him being out of position etc that no one noticed? That is not a dig, I am just pointing out that there were plenty of goals conceded that he was at least partly to blame for, and plenty created and scored by him too, yet people are still going on about a slip in a game we were never winning anyway.}

Post deleted for being irrelevant

{Ed001's Note - shut up and read the op and try and stick to the point. You are wasting everyone's time and clearly the point has been totally missed in your pathetic attempt to turn this into an attack on one player. I am bored of your ridiculous attempt to justify your irrelevant point which actually, if anything, backs up what I said, if you only had managed to understand it.}

06 Feb 2017 16:33:19
Ah hahaha. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. Deleting posts when you can't win and then still having the nerve to post back so all people can read is youts as though my post was conpletly rubish. that's bad.

You can't run this site as your own god complex domain. Your not always going to be right. You mainly are but deleting as soon as someone acrually posts something you would have to hold your hands up to and go fair enough, is appalling.

This isn't the first time either.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? You haven't understood at all. You are missing the whole point of this thread. Just give it a rest until you can understand. Only thing deleted was utterly pointless.}

06 Feb 2017 17:09:16
Ed, is a thung something we used to argue about but not anymore?

{Ed001's Note - something like that. Or could just be my fat fingers and a phone are not a good combo.}

06 Feb 2017 17:30:26
Supermane, let it go. You are embarrassing yourself as it seems you are unable to have a fair and honest conversation about this issue without injecting yourself personally into the discussion. It is getting stale and tedious.

06 Feb 2017 19:28:35
Last post.

Original poster asked if steve peters was still at the club.

Ed then said he is still avaliable but not at rhe club currently. Then proceeding to say that was good because his methods didn't stop our end of season collapse 13/ 14.

I then stated that it wasnt anything to do with dr peters and that the league was lost because gerrards slip and stating the facts as to why.

16 games unbeated from jan 24th. 11 wins on the trott. Needed 7 points from 9 to win the league. Could get a draw against chel, palace or newcastle.

We lost to chelsea but they were showing nothing until gerrards slip let ba straight through for a rather simple finish and this then gave chelsea a lead to defend which as we have all seen is the worst thing because players tend to put there bladdy lives on the line. If gerrard hadnt of slipped im pretty sure as we were dominating posession in that match that it would of more than likely ended in a draw. as there two goals where 1 was our fault and 2 a counter because we werew so open as we had to score because losing left the league in citys hands where pretty much there only opps as they hand just set uo to defend.

Then later ed said that the palace collapse was down to peters or that he didn't help ans i stated that we smashed them at the 3-0 up point and again pretty certain we would of been a lot calmer in that postion if we had drew or beat chelsea, as we wouldn't of needed the goal difference.

Then later ed blamed peters for gerrards slip becauze that was a lack of concentration and im pretty sure he was just winding me up on that one as the slip was the contact lapsing between boot and foot. not gerrard taking a touch and falling asleep.

It was all to cement the fact that our beloelved and captain fantastic was at fault for the lose of the league but that didn't effect in the slightesr his legacy and legend status within the club. local or worldwide but that IF someone like alleb had of made that slip there wouldn't be any other pointless discussion about whereelse the league was lost or who elses fault it

as it happened i said - with head in hands - to myself that if we don't get back into this it was fate for gerrard to slip as the week before his much publicised end of city speech "we don't let this slip" had happened but thankfully it was him who slipped because there would be noone else who could of done it and not have it stick for ever as the person who cost liverpool the title. It was like all his other accompliments where for that one point like credits. Weird but without all the rest it would of stuck.

But his legend isn't touched in the slightest at all, champions league hero. fa cup hero. GERRRRRRRRAAARDDD. always loved.

{Ed001's Note - you have missed the point, again. I never blamed Peters for the slip, I said it was a lapse in concentration, which led to the miscontrol, which was the issue, not the slip, which followed. If Peters had been doing his job properly, the players would have been fully focused and that kind of miscontrol would have not happened. Though it was not fully his fault, I was saying that he clearly did not have the effect he was meant to have. Not that he miscontrolled the ball.

As for the rest, it is bull. You play 38 games, one slip costs you, at most, 3 points, or, in this case, 1 point, not the title. It is not getting enough points over the 38 games in their entirety that cost us the league, not one slip. Just ask Leicester. They remained focused when the pressure was on and kept going, but then they didn't have Peters and Rodgers using psychology to 'help' them.

Anyway, the point was, he did nothing to help the players maintain focus, the collapse I was referring to was the Palace game, which we did collapse in and threw away an easy three points. That was not what cost us the title though, it was the first half of the season that cost us, when we were terrible and people (which they conveniently like to forget) were calling for Rodgers' head.}

06 Feb 2017 19:56:57
I tend not to bite at this kind of opinion, but I feel it needed here. Anyone that blames Gerrard and that slip for costing us the league that season is just using that as a stick to beat him with. They tend to overlook (as shown here) the loss against Hull, a home loss against Southampton, draws against WBA and Villa. The palace draw is for me a proud moment, as I saw my team realise that they needed goals and from what I saw tried to beat Palace by a ridiculous amount to claw back some of the goal difference to put pressure on City again. I'm more than happy with that in that situation. Now as a person it's well known Gerrard is a weapon, and he has done some damage within the club previously. But if your going to slate him at least give him stick for something that's actually down to him.

06 Feb 2017 20:49:16
Ed i said last post but your wrong on this one.

Gerrards slip wasnt a lack of concentration by anyone. He took posession of the ball and everyone was in position for him to make a pass, he took a heavy touch, he then went to recover it and his boot slipped off the grass. No laspe in concentration.

The palace game we were 3-0 up and if we weren't going for the goal difference against city then we wouldn't of been so attacking at that point as the game was won. Again if we hadnt of lost to chelsea.

The season is about getting to the last 3/ 4 games with the league in your own hands that's the point. Your going to lose throughout and draw. injuries. suspensions the lot. We needed 7 points from 9 that's a great achievment. We weren't chasing anyone. It was ours. Just had to draw or win againdt chelsea out of the last 3.

And the first half of the season where we were top at christmas? Lost 4 drew 3 in the first 18 games? Solid start to the season that ed. Not the beautiful spectacle the second half of the season was but a real profession start.

And did nothing to help the players. well from jan 24th we were unbeaten and that consisted of an 11 game winning streak.

That slip doesn't happen and we draw or win that game then the league was atleast an 80% chance of being back on merseyside! Like that's it.

{Ed001's Note - is a heavy touch not down to a lack of concentration? I think it is, as it is not his usual touch. We were awful in most of the first half of the season, it was just a bit like last season, when everyone else was awful too so teams like us and Arsenal got up there by default. Oh and we would have drawn or lost that game with or without the slip.}

06 Feb 2017 04:57:06
To the delusionals! The only team above us with a slightly smaller budget is Tottenham! Everyone else is way above finance wise! We don't have an empty cheque book and it will take time for klopp to build and gel his squad! Who would you get in to replace klopp? I personally couldn't think of anyone even thinking from a plastics frame of mind! Liverpool have no right to be guaranteed a top 4 realistically if u put down to finance so there for in my opinion most fans have unrealistic expectations as money is everything in football these days right? Fickle fans especially the ones calling for klopps head for selling benteke as seeminly he now seems to be the plan b we desperately need! 30 million is no plan b in my humble opinion! Teams better than us have sticky patches! And as a fan of the club when we get beat by hull it hurts! But the reaction of some of the people on this website embarrasses me more! Weather it's stupidity or just lack of common sense I do not know but liverpool definitely have less muscle financly than at least 4 clubs so we are pretty much where we belong financly! Apologise for the spelling but severely dyslexic and no spell check. Feel free to rip away. YNWL ( except you will unless u don't live up to unrealistic expectations of a delusional fan Base! Embarrassing!

06 Feb 2017 05:04:57
I juat bought gabriel barbosa, donnamura, ginmenez and bazoer in one window. I don't know what the hell fsg are upto.

06 Feb 2017 05:18:13
If they don't sign aguero! And klopp doesn't start moreno as lb I will switch to chinese league!

06 Feb 2017 08:10:09
It just excuse after excuse in my opinion at Liverpool. We don't have as much money but for seasons we have purchased more than Arsenal, Spurs and Utd and consistently finished beneath them. The manager needs time yet Mourinho walks into Chelsea twice and wins the league straight away and Conte who was there to "steady the ship" is walking away with the league this season. Look at Mourinho at Utd now. Still in 4 competitions with a team that includes an ageing Carrick, Valencia, Rojo, Smalling, Jones, Mata who he got rid of at Chelsea and Herrera who was doing sweet FA before before Mourinho came. Are these players much better than we have? Seriously? There is somethkng seriously at fault at Anfield but i haven't a clue what it is. Maybe the pressure on players, expectation of fans, management higher up at Liverpool, scouting, i don't know, maybe a combination of things but we can't continue to make excuse after excuse to suit our arguements. There has been too many times over the years that we have under achieved. It has to be more than a lack of finance or bedding a new team in. Other teams can do it and be better than us, why can't we?

06 Feb 2017 08:25:28
Faith, I just bought Alvaro, Camacho and Ricardo Rodriguez in January alone.

06 Feb 2017 09:23:34
NiKp87 your making the excuse about financial power when Leicester last season proved it's not all about finances and big name signings. Also we were top of the league scoring 3 goals a game a just over a month ago and we are still competing really well and unbeaten against the teams you said have more money. What's frustrating is the sudden and quite long lasting slump in form we have had and how we are going backwards and being beaten by the teams with less money than us and there doesn't seem to be any other plans to get us back getting results it's the same thing over and over every game. I don't want Klopp out at all he deserves time but it's worrying that this is such a prolonged bad batch yet we go into each game pretty much doing the same thing and not trying anything different. you're the delusional one if you think the money spent list should effectively be the way the table finishes at the end of the season.

06 Feb 2017 09:56:47
I Completely agree with rover, the owners need to realise if they want the club to win a title and become a force in europe its going to take more than a few signings from southampton. I am sick of us being linked with the likes of Van Dijk and Azmoun when United are buying Pogba for 80 million and looking to buy Greizmann in the Summer and they like us have no champions league. What do they have that we dont? If its money then FSG should see they're out of their league and sell it to owners who will make the difference. Its fair enough saying we don't need to spend we have a world class academy when all we have brought through is sterling as a real first team starter in the last 10 years and look where he's gone. Before people say look at Leicester last season I say look at them now, I don't want us to win the title and go back to where we started. Its hard to be patient when you can't see any improvements.

06 Feb 2017 10:35:39
We are going through a bad patch and at are still within one point of a Champions League play-off place and three of an automatic place. There are two assumptions at the moment - the first is that Liverpool are going to continue to drop points - the second that ALL the clubs around us are going to continue to win points.

The Liverpool I saw at my first visit to Anfield for several decades (against Watford) was no flash-in-the-pan. I believe that Liverpool can regain that form. There are still ten games in which clubs in the top 6 play each other so anything can happen. Liverpool 2H 1A, Chelsea (Champions) 1H 1A, Arsenal 2H 2A, Spurs 2H 1A, Man C 2H 2A, mu 1H 3A. Liverpool are still in with a shout so let the fans get shouting and get behind the team.

06 Feb 2017 11:46:23
So Liverpool have no right to be inside top 4. Lol more excuses flowing around today. So what is the progress under Klopp? And y do you think we will get it right next season when you admit there are teams with better finances? One of the most dumbest post in a while. So you can't beat hull city and all came down to lack of money?

06 Feb 2017 11:21:11
It's all to do with the mentality of the team. As seen many times over previous seasons we crumble when under mental pressure. The best signing we could get right now would be to get Steve Peters back. And sharpish.

06 Feb 2017 11:34:36
Cyklops

Did we not splash £25 mill on a Wijnaldum who is learning his trade as a CM? Or how about £35 mill on Mane. Went have spend within or even more that our budget. It's the choices that has been the issue over the years. Let it be £35 mill Carroll or £20 mill downing. Liverpool never had shortage of money in my book. We have spend a lot more than Spurs who are doing excellent with the players they have.

06 Feb 2017 11:34:34
Cant see any improvements?

We have been immense this season. Every single team in the top 6 has had a bad period of about 4/ 6 weeks. We will get through it and it will start on saturday when we smack the spurs about.

After that the pump will be back and we will be back to normal. Cant remember the last time the season finished in february. Short memories. fake fans!

06 Feb 2017 12:28:04
Cyklopps

What do you united have that we don't. well that's a simple. The richest club in the world with an open cheque book.

We pay over the odds for players because they know we are desperate.

United of old along with barcelona and real Madrid would bully teams into selling players at a fraction of the price it would cost us.

Also wages play a massive part as united will pay £250,000 a week where we can only pay half that.

06 Feb 2017 12:43:02
Well unfortunately FSG needs to sell to someone who can compete financially with the clubs you mentioned. Otherwise I will never see Liverpool win the league in my lifetime.

06 Feb 2017 13:11:40
RedWillis says:

"We are going backwards and being beaten by the teams with less money than us"

But then goes on to say:

"you're the delusional one if you think the money spent list should effectively be the way the table finishes at the end of the season. "

You lot drive me mental sometimes!

Yes we're playing awful and struggling for form. I can think back to so many recent seasons where January has been a shocking month on the pitch. But this team hasn't suddenly forgotten how to play football.

It is what it is, a loss of form that can be turned on its head with a couple of decent results. Roll on the spurs and gunners. Huge 6 pts IF we stop the rot!

06 Feb 2017 14:11:51
So now that we are struggling for form, the moaners and FSG haters are out in force. Didn't hear them moaning when we were crushing teams in the first half of the season. "Should not have sold Benteke". That one takes the cake. Must be the same fans who still thought Migs was a great GK and forgot how hopless he had been before he got benched. Now, he has reminded us of how hopeless he is which is not surprising. "Klopp has not improved us". Another nonsensical comment. Who has the record for the most PL points won by the half way point? Klopp. Who has the best record by vs the big teams since last season? Klopp. Who is the guy that Pep, Mou, Poch and Wenger can't beat? Klopp.

I think people got suckered into thinking our team was good enuff for the title challenge cos the media kept hyping us up so if you fell for that, that is your fault and not Klopp's. Many of us knew that certain players would need replacing regardless of our form. Many thought Origi and Studge would step up in Mane's absence. Many of us thought Migs would stop being a calamity. Alas, none of these happened. Is that Klopp's fault too? Didn't many of us here rail against Karius and wanted him benched for a known clanger in Migs? Now, they are now saying they want Karius back. See the lack of clarity in such thinking and the constant flip-flopping? The hindsight geniuses are never wrong, are they?

Look, we are going through a bad spell and Klopp needs to take responsibility for part of it which, he has. But I think some of the players have been bottling it and to that end, heads need to roll cos if you don't have a stomach for a CL fight then, stay home and allow those who do go out there and win.

06 Feb 2017 14:21:40
Don't really understand why I drive you mad with that post. It was in reply to the op that claimed that the reason we can't expect to compete for the top four is financial reasons. I was just pointing out that we are performing well against the teams that have more money than us and worse against the teams with less thus disproving his point. Also pointing out that before Christmas we were performing well and looked dead set for top four but now because we're having a serious slump that all of a sudden it was delusional of us to think we could challenge and finish top 4?

06 Feb 2017 15:37:29
Talking about finances Wenger has managed to remain in top 4 with what Chamkah, Wilshere, Bendtner and Fabianski for how many years? Top 4 is an easy task title is difficult.

06 Feb 2017 17:14:54
Harry title too is not difficult mate.

06 Feb 2017 17:24:31
Harry title too is not that difficult mate. U don't need millions to beat the likes of hull swansea burnely etc to win this league which is needed. U need a flexible tactician and planning to do it. There's a reason all these years as a club we haven't progressed and our rivals have been leaving us behind coz we lacked planning so do now.

06 Feb 2017 18:24:17
Not being funny but we could have the best tactician in the world and this group would still fail. Its not about money, or formations or even talent. Its about attitude and players taking responsibility.

Constantly passing side to side and leaving it to the next man to make a run, or take on a player to make something happen. While courinho may not be in great form at least he is trying but i can't say the same for all of them tbh. let's not even mention a goal keeper bottling being hit in his fragile body by an opposing forward and letting them score instead. Its all mental with this team and unfortunately it won't change until half of them get shifted. Not ideal i know but how do you counter the whole squad practically going missing for a month.

06 Feb 2017 18:55:07
Klopp had 3 transfers and was happy with the squad. Injuries are part and parcel of the game nothing new there.